[looper's] RE: very cute little JL cooper box

another marathon playing session today.....drummer, guitar/bass, and yours truely on guitar ->zoom2100 ->digi.space station ->boomerang+ ->fender champ.....(one very easy carry).....the zoom prior to the s.s and the rang gives you the opportunity to take those three 5sec loops and warp the hell out of them and drop them into the rang for a great big amount of sonic craziness.....i can not tell you how happy i am to integrate my loops into this free improve format.....i can see very quickly how often i go for the "known" licks and runs, got to do something about this.....but after about 3.5 hrs (one tune!) i began cutting loose (as you young folk would say) and what a refreshing feeling after bangin away for so long.....what really blew my mind was the quality of the recording, playing into a mic is very hip after going direct for so long, we recorded to cassette btb.....luddites one and all.....this "free improv" stuff is muy interesanto, key does not matter, chords do not matter, the beat seems to have some importance and for that i am glad, a place to hang a hat so to speak.....its hard work to play this way, thank goodness i have loops and warpage to fall back on.....shows are a comin im afraid.....:).....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 05:28:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06871; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 05:24:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 05:24:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: new vst loop plugin - testers needed Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 02:18:03 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <4h8YV.A.NrB.39G99@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just wanted to let you all know about a new VST looping tool that my small dev group has put together. I wanted to post on LD because I thought you folks would appreciate the functionality that this kind of tool offers. We need some help in bringing it to a well tested state and would like some feedback in regards to its utility to you. Basically, we're looking for a few testers who might be interested in checking out a cool little tool. I figured you guys would be a receptive audience to this kind of a request, so I'm only posting this mail on LD for the time being. I may post elsewhere if we need more people. :What it does: "Looper" is a loop sampling VST plug-in. It allows you to capture tempo sync'd audio samples in real time from any VST host. Once the sample has been captured you can manipulate playback in a few different ways. The most basic thing you can do is to let the sample loop in place, instantaneously from when recording ends, in sync with tempo. Alternatives are to trigger playback from various positions within the sample, allowing you manipulate the playback position of the sample in real time. "Looper" can also be used as a studio tool. Once a sample has been captured you can trigger playback via midi with or without looping on, to use the tool as a traditional sampler is used. Sample playback can be started from a variety of start points, which allows for very fast 'editing' of your captured sample. We're also including a sequenced effects engine which allows you to modify your sample in sync with time. This will hopefully be available in pass-thru and sampled modes. Synced effects are fun! There are additional odds and ends features, but that should be enough to explain the main functionality. :The specifics: If you are interested, please send a reply to me off list and give me an email address where I can send you a URL to download the software. Understand that this software is still in early testing phases and we can't guarantee that it will work in your particular environment. As far as we know it works in both Cubase SX and FruityLoops. This plug-in is PC and VST only. :Where we're going: We're planning on continuing to add and extend the functionality of this software either through adding on to this tool or by creating a new one. Any way you slice it, good stuff is on the way! So get back to me if you're interested. Hope everything is well with all you loopy folks. Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 06:37:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14766; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:36:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:36:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DF47FD7.385AF81A@ubuibi.org> Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 03:34:46 -0800 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new vst loop plugin - testers needed References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com let us know if you get it mac-capable Paul Weissman wrote: > know it works in both Cubase SX and FruityLoops. > > This plug-in is PC and VST only. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 07:12:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA19287; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:08:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:08:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1039434286!23181 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA9DF@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's]OT RE: A>D Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:38:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C29F77.837B5DA0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29F77.837B5DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I don't know of any DAT machine that has limiting. (That doesn't mean there aren't any.)<< most of the portables I've seen have a limiter. in my view, they are indispensible on any a>d interface, where the idea is to make the absolute best of digital's supposedly superior dynamic range. most common practice amongst pros/broadcasters is to allow 18dB of "headroom" above reference level (0dBu) in order that the broadcast signal's normal allowance of +8dBu isn't in any danger of clipping. but analogue systems of any sort are capable of rendering short duration transients and overshoots far in excess of this, and the different ways they do it tend to define, to some extent, their characteristic sound. 1/4" tape is a good example. my recommendation (and no, I don't get paid by them) is to use a tc electronics box. doesn't matter which one, so long as it has the limiter and the A>D converters. most of their units do. just remember to switch out the multiband effects stages, especially the multiband limiter, unless you want to use them aswell. multiband limiting is the work of the devil. there, I've said it. "the use of separate compressors on individual instruments, that accompanied the widespread use of multitracks in recording studios, has done more to damage our listening experiences than any other single innovation, musical or technical. discuss." (hint: is the modern drumkit usually heard as a number of discrete instruments by the person playing it?) duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29F77.837B5DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's]OT RE: A>D

>>I don't know of any DAT machine that has limiting= . (That doesn't mean there
aren't any.)<<

most of the portables I've seen have a limiter. in my vie= w, they are indispensible on any a>d interface, where the idea is to mak= e the absolute best of digital's supposedly superior dynamic range. most co= mmon practice amongst pros/broadcasters is to allow 18dB of "headroom&= quot; above reference level (0dBu) in order that the broadcast signal's nor= mal allowance of +8dBu isn't in any danger of clipping. but analogue system= s of any sort are capable of rendering short duration transients and oversh= oots far in excess of this, and the different ways they do it tend to defin= e, to some extent, their characteristic sound. 1/4" tape is a good exa= mple.

my recommendation (and no, I don't get paid by them) is t= o use a tc electronics box. doesn't matter which one, so long as it has the= limiter and the A>D converters. most of their units do. just remember t= o switch out the multiband effects stages, especially the multiband limiter= , unless you want to use them aswell. multiband limiting is the work of the= devil. there, I've said it.

"the use of separate compressors on individual instr= uments, that accompanied the widespread use of multitracks in recording stu= dios, has done more to damage our listening experiences than any other sing= le innovation, musical or technical. discuss."

(hint: is the modern drumkit usually heard as a number of= discrete instruments by the person playing it?)

duncan/r.m.i.

Hmm, I'm not sure who you are quoting = about=20 individual compression, and If this weren't off topic to begin with, I'd = be=20 curious as to why you think compressing individual instruments, in a = multitrack=20 recording, is somehow worse than compressing ALL the = instruments.

-- Sarth

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To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20

Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 = 6:38=20 AM

Subject: [looper's]OT RE: = A>D

>>I don't know of any DAT machine that has=20 limiting. (That doesn't mean there
aren't=20 any.)<<

most of the portables I've seen have a limiter. in = my view,=20 they are indispensible on any a>d interface, where the idea is to = make the=20 absolute best of digital's supposedly superior dynamic range. most = common=20 practice amongst pros/broadcasters is to allow 18dB of "headroom" = above=20 reference level (0dBu) in order that the broadcast signal's normal = allowance=20 of +8dBu isn't in any danger of clipping. but analogue systems of any = sort are=20 capable of rendering short duration transients and overshoots far in = excess of=20 this, and the different ways they do it tend to define, to some = extent, their=20 characteristic sound. 1/4" tape is a good example.

my recommendation (and no, I don't get paid by them) = is to use=20 a tc electronics box. doesn't matter which one, so long as it has the = limiter=20 and the A>D converters. most of their units do. just remember to = switch out=20 the multiband effects stages, especially the multiband limiter, unless = you=20 want to use them aswell. multiband limiting is the work of the devil. = there,=20 I've said it.

"the use of separate compressors on individual = instruments,=20 that accompanied the widespread use of multitracks in recording = studios, has=20 done more to damage our listening experiences than any other single=20 innovation, musical or technical. discuss."

(hint: is the modern drumkit usually heard as a = number of=20 discrete instruments by the person playing it?)

duncan/r.m.i.

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MTV Networks=20 = Europe ***************************************************************= ************ ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C29F7F.99344DC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 13:30:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26995; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:25:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:25:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: Subject: Midi Latency, was Re: Bob Sellon JamMan upgrade was midi-locked delays and stuff Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:27:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2002 18:25:07.0532 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D0970C0:01C29FB0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Interesting comments from Bob regarding the whole MIDI latency issue in the > JamBoy. To be fair, I have found that the MIDI clock (both sending and > receiving) is fine in the JamMan, and it plays well with most other MIDI > stuff, even EDPs and 'peaters MY issue has been, and continues to be, the > latency in tapping in and out of loops (it is slight, but my stuff is highly > rhythmic, and those miliseconds add up....to frustrations). I honestly can't completely agree with you here, max. Yes there is latency introduced when using midi to control timing critical events. However, even if your pedal has a 5ms latency and the Jamman also has a 5ms latency, that's only 10ms latency, and that is similar to the latency that is needed for a switch closure! The real issue in using midi with looping, is whether that latency is _repeatable_. In other words if I can rely on the latency to always be 20ms from the moment that I press a button, I never have a problem. Say I press the button on beat1 to start looping. The loop will start recording 20ms late. Then if I press the button to end recording on beat1, the loop will stop recording 20ms late too. My loop ends up perfectly in rhythm! There is a limit to acceptable latency, because it will tend to clip the attack from any note I might play on beat1 - truthfully, I usually end a loop with the same sound as I start with, so for me this isn't an issue. On the other hand, if I can't rely on the latency and it is specified at 20ms +/- 15ms, then we have a problem! If its 5ms on the loop start, and 35 on the loop end, then we have a loop that is 30ms too long - BAD news. I admit _some_ midi devices can certainly have this problem, but in my experience I could only imagine this happening in a very poorly designed device or one that is compromised by a cost cutting design (usually at the software level). It is my understanding that a well trained human ear can hear differences in timing as little as 10ms. Therefore in my book, if the latency is repeatable to within +/- 5ms we're fine for a looper. This is not at all an unreasonable goal to expect of a midi chain. So, not being a jamman owner or user, I have to ask you Max: How have you compared midi control to foot-switch control? If you have seriously A/B'ed the two techniques and noticed concrete examples of midi control having rhythmic problems - I yield to your opinion 100%. It certainly is possible for the jamman to have problems with midi timing control. I'm not trying to be a midi evangelist, I would just hope that you give it a chance with a quality midi controller. I will offer to let you try out my behringer midi footcontroller next time we have a chance to meet up. Let us all know how you go... Jon ps. I have seriously A/B'ed midi control to foot-switch control on the repeater and echoplex and midi control has fared quite well. I consider my ear to be a well trained ear in the rhythmic sense and I cannot honestly detect a difference in timing between the two methods. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 13:45:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28282; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:42:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:42:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-16.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1039458956!49170 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA9F4@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: [looper's]OT RE: A>D Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:29:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C29FB0.F83441F0" Resent-Message-ID: <61Hd2B.A.05G.cQO99@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29FB0.F83441F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Hmm, I'm not sure who you are quoting about individual compression, and If this weren't off topic to begin with, I'd be curious as to why you think compressing individual instruments, in a multitrack recording, is somehow worse than compressing ALL the instruments.<< er, yes. got me. I was ranting, and what's more, ranting on the wrong list. it would've made a lot more sense on the r-to-r list where I usually rant about things like this. fwiw, though, multiband and/or indvidual track compression leads to listener fatigue and is an entirely artificial experience. I am opposed to it especially when it comes to recording drums, all close-mic'd and separately gated/compressed. it's at odds with real-life experiences of dynamics- your own ears have a kind of comp-lim mechanism though it's more mechanical in operation..... the effect of a loud noise in nature is to reduce the perceived level of everything at once. a single compression process on a whole mix mimics this to some degree. multiband or track compression causes the energy level to vary constantly throughout the spectrum, irrespective of the overall dynamic of the content..... yada yada yada.... sorry 'bout that. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29FB0.F83441F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" [looper's]OT RE: A>D

>>Hmm, I'm not sure who you are quoting about individual compression, and If this weren't off topic to begin with, I'd be curious as to why you think compressing individual instruments, in a multitrack recording, is somehow worse than compressing ALL the instruments.<<

er, yes. got me. I was ranting, and what's more, ranting on the wrong list. it would've made a lot more sense on the r-to-r list where I usually rant about things like this. fwiw, though, multiband and/or indvidual track compression leads to listener fatigue and is an entirely artificial experience. I am opposed to it especially when it comes to recording drums, all close-mic'd and separately gated/compressed. it's at odds with real-life experiences of dynamics- your own ears have a kind of comp-lim mechanism though it's more mechanical in operation..... the effect of a loud noise in nature is to reduce the perceived level of everything at once. a single compression process on a whole mix mimics this to some degree. multiband or track compression causes the energy level to vary constantly throughout the spectrum, irrespective of the overall dynamic of the content..... yada yada yada....

sorry 'bout that.

duncan.

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MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29FB0.F83441F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 14:41:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01536; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:39:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:39:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021209193949.86482.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:39:49 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: OT: Radio Massacre International To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200212091212.HAA19744@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, now I have two RMI albums, having gotten Zabriskie Point in the mail with my latest Wayside shipment. This disc is a bit different from Planets In The Wires. PITW had a lot of sequencers going in places, given a vibe similiar to mid and late 70's Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze. On Zabriskie Point (which I admit I only chose over the other albums Wayside presently has on hand because of the title, plus the mention of a track from 1980 which appears on the disc), the sequencers are completely absent, giving a more ambient vibe, with the guitar given a lot of room to roam around. Nice disc! Can't wait to hear more. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 16:34:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11755; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:32:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:32:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rk93@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002401c29fed$2a30c520$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021208181426.00a40710@pop3.freeler.nl> <3DF3A1ED.C3633DC3@zerocrossing.net> <002401c29fed$2a30c520$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:32:02 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ritsu Katsumata Subject: Mac G4 midi software question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everyone-- I'm thinking of getting a Mac G4 to hook up my midi gear to, and wanted to know if there's any reason to spring for the Dual Processor models, or if the iMac 800Mhz is good enough. I heard that video editing and 3d modelling app's are optimized for dual processors, what about music software? Planning on using DP3, but open to suggestions -- thanks, -- Ritsu -------> http://www.ritsu.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 16:44:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12407; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:42:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:42:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DF50055.19E8725A@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 13:43:01 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [looper's] OT re roland References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA9D7@LON-MAIL07> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh boy. Yeah, my problem was not hardware related, and I am from the US. Sorry to hear of your plight. goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > > >>I called Roland customer service........For customer service I > thought they were great.<< > > I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark here- you're not in europe, > right? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 16:50:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12922; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:48:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:48:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dylan DeAnda" To: Subject: EDP "MetaButtons" - "Stored Procedures" - "Presets" - "Triggers" Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:49:59 -0500 Organization: Loudcloud, Inc. Message-ID: <012101c29fcc$ebd254d0$9940a8c0@dyland> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello List, Is there a way to "Preset" different modes in the edp? For example, you have a "mode" that you use for a specific effect or function, and it's defined as specific quantization value, insert mode, record mode, etc. 1. Is there any way to define a "mode" and then call that "mode" arbitrarily? 2. Is there any way to store a predefined button sequence in the edp? Sort of like a "metabutton" that sets you up? I've searched the archives, but found nothing pertinent to this. Am I just fantasizing, from a functional perspective? Am I just being lazy, from a pragmatic edp musician approach? I'd like to trigger a prescribed sequence of actions while I'm scratching on the turntables or singing, so that I can focus more on one instrument than the edp. Thanks for your responses. Dylan DeAnda -Trying to keep it simple: 1 turntable 1 mixer 1 edp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 17:54:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18656; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:51:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:51:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:50:33 +0100 Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Ritsu, If you have the money, then opt for a dual processor. Whilst you will not gain too many benefits with your music software, it will make other applications such as image control run very very smoothly (especially under OSX). The software itself for OSX is not necessarily optimised for dual processors - it is the Operating System itself that is designed for multi-processor support. Go for it :) (I'm jealous).... - Stuart (and his little ibook) On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 10:32 PM, Ritsu Katsumata wrote: > Hi everyone-- > > I'm thinking of getting a Mac G4 to hook up my midi gear to, and > wanted to know if there's any reason to spring for the Dual Processor > models, or if the iMac 800Mhz is good enough. I heard that video > editing and 3d modelling app's are optimized for dual processors, what > about music software? > > Planning on using DP3, but open to suggestions -- thanks, -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 18:36:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22137; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:29:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:29:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021209232838.88261.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:28:38 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: A. Belew loop album?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes i read he is using a preset delay from his Johnson millenium amp he is very hip into the idea of pitch shifting very short ones rather than long loops keep me informed as well L.a > Does anyone know if the Adrian Belew loop album ever > got > released? I thought I read something a while back > that he > was working on one/ or was going to release one. > Thought the interview/article said he was working w/ > shorter delay/loops > of 2 sec or less, and he was using them real > "rhythmic". > just curious if anyone knew any details. > s--- > -- > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 18:46:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23122; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:44:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:44:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c29fdc$dc551460$9f68389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> From: "nicholson_matt" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021208181426.00a40710@pop3.freeler.nl> <3DF3A1ED.C3633DC3@zerocrossing.net> <002401c29fed$2a30c520$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:44:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1086 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1086 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2002 23:44:05.0593 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC35CC90:01C29FDC] Resent-Message-ID: <8DOag.A.MpF.srS99@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Personally I'm considering selling my dual proc 500mhz G4 and getting a Titanium notebook. The benefits I've been getting from the dual processor has been fewer than I was expecting. The latest versions of Photoshop and Final Cut Pro seem to be the two biggest apps to benefit from the dual processors. My dual proc still runs great though, and with a Radeon 8500 video card the OS itself runs fast and smooth like mercury, I could really use the portability of a Titanium though. Hmm, decisions decisions. -- Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ritsu Katsumata" To: Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 1:32 PM Subject: Mac G4 midi software question > Hi everyone-- > > I'm thinking of getting a Mac G4 to hook up my midi gear to, and > wanted to know if there's any reason to spring for the Dual Processor > models, or if the iMac 800Mhz is good enough. I heard that video > editing and 3d modelling app's are optimized for dual processors, > what about music software? > > Planning on using DP3, but open to suggestions -- thanks, > > -- > Ritsu > -------> http://www.ritsu.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 19:12:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26302; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:10:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:10:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021210001011.24417.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:10:11 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001e01c29fdc$dc551460$9f68389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When the dual processor G4 was first introduced, I read a review in which the point was made that the *real* benefits of the second processor wouldn't really show themselves in their full glory until software written to take advantage of it started to become more common. A lot of the older softs, the reviewer maintained, would work pretty much the way they did before, and he even mentioned a few cases in which they'd run more slowly, believe it or not. I have no idea if what the guy wrote was true, but he seemed liked HE believed it! -t- --- nicholson_matt wrote: > The benefits I've been getting > from the dual processor > has been fewer than I was expecting. The latest > versions of Photoshop and > Final Cut Pro seem to be the two biggest apps to > benefit from the dual > processors __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 19:18:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26916; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:17:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:17:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014101c29fe2$076e7560$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <20021210001011.24417.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:21:04 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 00:10:AM Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question > When the dual processor G4 was first introduced, I > read a review in which the point was made that the > *real* benefits of the second processor wouldn't > really show themselves in their full glory until > software written to take advantage of it started to > become more common. A lot of the older softs, the > reviewer maintained, would work pretty much the way > they did before, and he even mentioned a few cases in > which they'd run more slowly, believe it or not. I > have no idea if what the guy wrote was true, but he > seemed liked HE believed it! It's true, no matter what platform you're on. Unless the software is written to take advantage of a second processor in order to divide up the work it needs done, or the software THAT software is running under does so, you won't see an advantage. > -t- > > --- nicholson_matt wrote: > > The benefits I've been getting > > from the dual processor > > has been fewer than I was expecting. The latest > > versions of Photoshop and > > Final Cut Pro seem to be the two biggest apps to > > benefit from the dual > > processors > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 20:29:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32154; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:28:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:28:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:28:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200212092028.AA123339076@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm pretty sure that DP3 is optimized for Dual Processors and I think Logic is as well. It's more an issue of Portability of the machine itself, I think. from the motu website: "Digital Performer supports multiple processors so if you have a dual processor CPU, you get nearly twice as much processing power as a single processor. Digital Performer's multiple processor engine is fully compatible with all MOTU Audio System plug-ins - even those from third party vendors." I heard that the 667 Mhz and 800 Mhz TiBooks had issues with performance of audio apps because of cache issues. The cache was optimized for video applications (throughput vs latency). This meant that if you had a looping MAX patch or reverb or something that your performace was about equal to the 400-500 Mhz TiBook. Anyone done any tests with the newest TiBooks? Also, how bad is a high-end iBook vs a medium-end TiBook for Max/Reaktor/DP3/Live? I've been thinking of getting an iBook for my live and traveling sound use, but should I just save up for a TiBook replacement for my TiBook 400 Mhz that is on loan? Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 20:41:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00676; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:41:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:41:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:41:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200212092041.AA178258060@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >It's true, no matter what platform you're on. Unless the software is >written to take advantage of a second processor in order to divide up the >work it needs done, or the software THAT software is running under does so, >you won't see an advantage. > OSX has the scheduler from the MACH kernel, right? You definitely shouldn't see a decrease in performance of any app running under OSX, which was maybe your point. Contention for shared resources might still decrease the relative performance, but not to the extent of running the same apps under a single-processor environment. Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 9 23:06:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12197; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:01:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:01:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c2a000$8c8a1920$46f15cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for December 7, 2002 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 22:59:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown on 91.7 FM and on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #13 December 7, 2002. PLAYLIST: Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Redshift Leviathans Halo (Distant Sun) Alpha Wave Movement Mapping the Heavens A Distant Sugnal (HRR) Max van Richter Resurrection Resurrection (Neu Harmony) Tranzit Pulsarz Trans-Rapid (Groove) Otarion Places Without Traces Creator (Neu Harmony) The Glimmer Room Terminal Individuality Tomorrow's Tuesday (Neu Harmony) Rob Essers The Ability to Dream Raincolors (Groove) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Rudy Adrian and Night Sky (Part 2) Across the Silver Sky (Groove) Ron Boots Steve Howe and Turn of the Century Tales from Yesterday (Magna Annie Haslam Carta) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Mangala Vallis The Book of Dreams The Book of Dreams (Tamburo a Vapore) Steve Hackett Watcher of the Skies The Tokyo Tapes (Original Masters) Spock's Beard Beware of Darkness Beware of Darkness (Radiant) Star Castle Fountains Chronos I (Sunsinger) * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in one month on January 4. Happy Holidays!! Bill =============================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 00:09:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17279; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:07:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:07:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DF5068E.382D@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 21:10:03 +0000 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kungha@earthlink.net CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater for sale References: <200212092028.AA123339076@mail.unitcircle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Repeater, along with footswitch and 128mb Simple Tech card. 650.00 OBO ART X-15 75.00 Please e-mail me off list, THANKS From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 01:25:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22302; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:23:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:23:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 22:16:30 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DF586BE.3936B616@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021208181426.00a40710@pop3.freeler.nl> <3DF3A1ED.C3633DC3@zerocrossing.net> <002401c29fed$2a30c520$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For sure go with the dual if you can swing it. Why? OSX *does* use a dual processor. If you've got one and Digital Performer 4, which was supposed to be already released (late 2002 release...) will be written for OSX. Also, I use DP3 in conjunction with a MOTU 828 and I really like it. It's POLAR loop module is a really great software loop tool. Remember, you can't have a computer that's too fast or too much memory. Mark Sottilaro Ritsu Katsumata wrote: > > Hi everyone-- > > I'm thinking of getting a Mac G4 to hook up my midi gear to, and > wanted to know if there's any reason to spring for the Dual Processor > models, or if the iMac 800Mhz is good enough. I heard that video > editing and 3d modelling app's are optimized for dual processors, > what about music software? > > Planning on using DP3, but open to suggestions -- thanks, > > -- > Ritsu > -------> http://www.ritsu.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 04:50:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04809; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 04:44:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 04:44:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c2a030$dd999720$8ef9abd4@tin.it> From: "Amleto" To: References: <200212092028.AA123339076@mail.unitcircle.com> <3DF5068E.382D@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Repeater for sale Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:45:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <3e0XHC.A._KB.Meb99@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ciao, what does it mean "obo art x-15"? Are you in US? Can You send in italy? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 09:29:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25606; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:26:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:26:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Nord Modular Keyboard for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.9b Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:25:42 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The nord modular is one of the deepest synths i have ever used. wonderful intuitive design. full of suprises and beauty. sadly i have to sell it as i need a new tibook. so.... if you are interested give me a call: will also trade for/towards a tibook. call or email me 770 960 4378:work 678 432 2714:home From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 12:38:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09890; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:36:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:36:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Mac G4 midi software question Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:30:50 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c2a072$e0b48cc0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Stuart, Hi Ritsu, another point I have yet to understand: why a Mac? (except for an uncanny desire to use Emagic software). While I do well understand the valid points of the anti-ms/intel fraction, I cannot see (from my uninformed point of view) the real advantage of a Mac. Is it better suited for harddisk-recording, audio processing, or something else ? Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > -----Original Message----- > From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) > [mailto:loopers-delight@solostring.com] > Sent: Montag, 9. Dezember 2002 23:51 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question > > > Hi Ritsu, > > If you have the money, then opt for a dual processor. Whilst you will > not gain too many benefits with your music software, it will > make other > applications such as image control run very very smoothly (especially > under OSX). > > The software itself for OSX is not necessarily optimised for dual > processors - it is the Operating System itself that is designed for > multi-processor support. > > Go for it :) (I'm jealous).... > > - Stuart (and his little ibook) > > > On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 10:32 PM, Ritsu Katsumata wrote: > > > Hi everyone-- > > > > I'm thinking of getting a Mac G4 to hook up my midi gear to, and > > wanted to know if there's any reason to spring for the Dual > Processor > > models, or if the iMac 800Mhz is good enough. I heard that video > > editing and 3d modelling app's are optimized for dual > processors, what > > about music software? > > > > Planning on using DP3, but open to suggestions -- thanks, > -- > Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 12:50:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11069; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:49:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:49:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:48:16 +0100 Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000701c2a072$e0b48cc0$0601a8c0@SATAN> Message-Id: <900283BB-0C67-11D7-936D-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > why a Mac? One word - Reliability. Before I switched to mac, I spent a number of years working with PC's, and encountered so many problems with PC/Windows systems... Blue screen of death, random strange problems.... I'd just had enough. I think the problems with PC's lie with the sheer diversity of processors, motherboards, cards, peripherals etc. etc. There are always driver conflicts, software glitches and basic screw-ups with Microsoft's bloated OS. With Macs, there is just one producer of computers - Apple. They also write (and do a very good job of it) the OS. It works. Sure they cost more than a comparable PC, but at what price is reliability? Whilst Mac systems are certainly not 100% problem free, I do have the confidence to use them in live performances which I would never have with a PC setup. Thats my 0.2c :) -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 13:10:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13392; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:03:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:03:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1039543425!48921 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA0C@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: macs & pretend-computers Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:57:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2A075.A2922620" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A075.A2922620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> why a Mac? One word - Reliability. Before I switched to mac, I spent a number of years working with PC's, and encountered so many problems with PC/Windows systems... Blue screen of death, random strange problems.... Microsoft's bloated OS......Thats my 0.2c :)<<< I'm just going to chuck my 2 centimes in right afterwards and say nowt. except that pc's, in general, seem to be an end in their own right; something to tinker with as much as use. macs are just there to do the job, no arsing about w/ *.dll's, *.inf's and all that meaningless shite. I have to run two separate hard drives in the pc, one for my artwork apps and one for audio/midi stuff. they cannot co-exist. w2k is 64 million lines of code on it's own, before you even do anything with it. but I said I wasn't going to go on about it. I (heart symbol) my i-mac. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A075.A2922620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] RE: macs & pretend-computers

>>> why a Mac?

One word - Reliability.

Before I switched to mac, I spent a number of years worki= ng with PC's,
and encountered so many problems with PC/Windows systems= ... Blue screen
of death, random strange problems.... Microsoft's =
bloated OS......Thats my 0.2c :)<<<

I'm just going to chuck my 2 centimes in right afterwards= and say nowt. except that pc's, in general, seem to be an end in their own= right; something to tinker with as much as use. macs are just there to do = the job, no arsing about w/ *.dll's, *.inf's and all that meaningless shite= .

I have to run two separate hard drives in the pc, one for= my artwork apps and one for audio/midi stuff. they cannot co-exist.=

w2k is 64 million lines of code on it's own, before you e= ven do anything with it.
but I said I wasn't going to go on about it. I (heart sy= mbol) my i-mac.

duncan/r.m.i.

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MTV Networks Europe ***************************************************************************= ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A075.A2922620-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 13:28:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15127; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:24:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:24:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c2a077$daca0420$7087abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: References: <000901c2a000$8c8a1920$46f15cd1@LocalHost> Subject: Re: The AM/FM Show Playlist for December 7, 2002 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:13:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Bill, I think you maybe can help with tracking an old (1983) album called Pictures from a band called the Pictures. It had been published by EG. I had it on vinyl, and now have it no more. Do you know if there's a chance to find it somewhere ? thanks, Luca www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 13:33:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15469; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:31:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:31:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c2a078$d1806ed0$7087abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: References: <000901c2a000$8c8a1920$46f15cd1@LocalHost> <001b01c2a077$daca0420$7087abd4@giow2000> Subject: Re: The AM/FM Show Playlist for December 7, 2002 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:20:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com whoops.... intended to send it directly to Bill, sorry guys. ------------------------------ www.unguitar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "luca" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 7:13 PM Subject: Re: The AM/FM Show Playlist for December 7, 2002 > Hi Bill, > I think you maybe can help with tracking an old (1983) album called Pictures > from a band called the Pictures. > It had been published by EG. > I had it on vinyl, and now have it no more. > Do you know if there's a chance to find it somewhere ? > thanks, > Luca > > www.unguitar.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 13:47:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16636; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:43:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:43:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:40:23 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DF63517.F621D011@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <900283BB-0C67-11D7-936D-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can't agree with you more Stuart. I work in a company that's all Wintel boxes, except for our Video editing suite and the Art director and myself (designer/animator). I've just seen *too* many weird conflicts and problems on the Windows platform, even though all the Wintel boxes (running W2K) are just running office for the most part. Our web server? Mac too. I asked our IS guy and he said, "stability mostly." All the PCs are locked down so no one can make any changes or install anything, but the macs are left alone. Why? "I just don't have any problems with them." But, I think there's another issue here as well. OSX. It's really the biggest reason I didn't go from my old Power Mac to a PC. I've not yet tried v. 10.2, but 10.1 is like a rock. Occasionally apps will go down, but the OS itself remains untouched. It just "feels" better. I can't wait until Digital Performer 4 comes out and I can stay in OSX all the time. With it's built in MIDI functions and protected memory system I believe that now that ProTools has been ported to it, it will become the industry standard for music. Mark Sottilaro "Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project)" wrote: > > > why a Mac? > > One word - Reliability. > > Before I switched to mac, I spent a number of years working with PC's, > and encountered so many problems with PC/Windows systems... Blue screen > of death, random strange problems.... I'd just had enough. I think the > problems with PC's lie with the sheer diversity of processors, > motherboards, cards, peripherals etc. etc. There are always driver > conflicts, software glitches and basic screw-ups with Microsoft's > bloated OS. > > With Macs, there is just one producer of computers - Apple. They also > write (and do a very good job of it) the OS. It works. Sure they cost > more than a comparable PC, but at what price is reliability? > > Whilst Mac systems are certainly not 100% problem free, I do have the > confidence to use them in live performances which I would never have > with a PC setup. > > Thats my 0.2c :) > > -- > Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 13:50:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17079; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:47:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:47:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021210133718.0287cea0@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: rk93@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:47:16 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ritsu Katsumata Subject: Re: Mac G4 vs ibook/imac In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com
At 11:50 PM 12/9/2002 +0100, you wrote:

- Stuart (and his little ibook)

And how does your ibook do? Do you do all your writing/looping music making on the ibook as well as performing with it?

I figured that the 1 GB Dual Proc with a reasonable monitor will cost me about $850 more than the imac with the 17" screen, 800 MHz cpu and 258 MB Ram. Will the Dual Proc give me $850 worth of value? Will an imac be a lot of trouble? I heard that a lot of the early imacs were duds.

Thanks to everyone for all the good advice--

Ritsu

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 14:04:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19541; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:00:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:00:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c2a07e$8f5dae40$877d2dd5@tin.it> From: "Amleto" To: References: <200212092028.AA123339076@mail.unitcircle.com> <3DF5068E.382D@earthlink.net> <002501c2a030$dd999720$8ef9abd4@tin.it> Subject: Controlling Repeater with fcb1010... Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:01:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi to You all... I see that nobody want to play to make a virtual perfect looper... Well... ;) Ok, i have a question... With a behringer fcb1010 midi foot controller i can do what i can do with a digitech fs300 plus other things, or i would need both pedals? Also, is it possible with just one fcb1010 to control more midi units separately, without having to divide pedal's button between these units (so that, for example, if i have one unit i ca use all 10 buttons for that unit, but if i put another one i will have 5 buttons for the first and 5 for the second), nor having the two units to change at the same time? I would like to have a possibility to control repeater, and then, pressing a button, the midi controls of the pedals would affect only another unit and not the repeater. So i have not to buy two fcb1010! Thanks for answering... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 14:07:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19476; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:00:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:00:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:59:53 -0800 Message-ID: <3DF4D044000019FA@mta5.wss.scd.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3DF63517.F621D011@zerocrossing.net> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA19455 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not a Mac-person, myself, but I worked at Apple for a year in the 'ProMedia' group, and I can vouch for the brainshare in the OS X audio group... they have people who have worked at companies like OSC and Opcode, and thus have been deeply involved in audio/MIDI on the Mac for many years... They are getting the chance to 'do it right' this time, and the architecture looked great when I was there... of course, I have alot of time and money invested in the wintel world, and I have faith in companies like steinberg and sonic foundry to continue to produce quality software for that platform... as well as personally knowing the ins/outs of audio/midi software development issues... But, I'm sure once I have enough cash to throw at a Mac I'll add one to my studio... :) peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:40:23 -0800 >From: Mark >Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >I can't agree with you more Stuart. I work in a company that's all >Wintel boxes, except for our Video editing suite and the Art director >and myself (designer/animator). I've just seen *too* many weird >conflicts and problems on the Windows platform, even though all the >Wintel boxes (running W2K) are just running office for the most part. >Our web server? Mac too. I asked our IS guy and he said, "stability >mostly." All the PCs are locked down so no one can make any changes or >install anything, but the macs are left alone. Why? "I just don't have >any problems with them." > >But, I think there's another issue here as well. OSX. It's really the >biggest reason I didn't go from my old Power Mac to a PC. I've not yet >tried v. 10.2, but 10.1 is like a rock. Occasionally apps will go down, >but the OS itself remains untouched. It just "feels" better. I can't >wait until Digital Performer 4 comes out and I can stay in OSX all the >time. With it's built in MIDI functions and protected memory system I >believe that now that ProTools has been ported to it, it will become the >industry standard for music. > >Mark Sottilaro > >"Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project)" wrote: >> >> > why a Mac? >> >> One word - Reliability. >> >> Before I switched to mac, I spent a number of years working with PC's, >> and encountered so many problems with PC/Windows systems... Blue screen >> of death, random strange problems.... I'd just had enough. I think the >> problems with PC's lie with the sheer diversity of processors, >> motherboards, cards, peripherals etc. etc. There are always driver >> conflicts, software glitches and basic screw-ups with Microsoft's >> bloated OS. >> >> With Macs, there is just one producer of computers - Apple. They also >> write (and do a very good job of it) the OS. It works. Sure they cost >> more than a comparable PC, but at what price is reliability? >> >> Whilst Mac systems are certainly not 100% problem free, I do have the >> confidence to use them in live performances which I would never have >> with a PC setup. >> >> Thats my 0.2c :) >> >> -- >> Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 14:16:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20527; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:15:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:15:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d301c2a080$6df5d280$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <200212092028.AA123339076@mail.unitcircle.com> <3DF5068E.382D@earthlink.net> <002501c2a030$dd999720$8ef9abd4@tin.it> <001901c2a07e$8f5dae40$877d2dd5@tin.it> Subject: Re: Controlling Repeater with fcb1010... Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:14:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Amleto! > I see that nobody want to play to make a virtual perfect looper... > Well... > ;) > Ok, i have a question... > With a behringer fcb1010 midi foot controller i can do what i can do with a > digitech fs300 plus other things, or i would need both pedals? > . . . Others can give better advice for your Behringer/Digitech foot controller question than I (since I don't have either). But though your "what's the perfect looper" question might seem intriguing, it borders on a religious issue among LD denizens. It's rather like asking "What's the best guitar?" or "What's the best book?" or "What's the best band?" It's apt to produce more heat than light. So it's probably good that we didn't get into it as we might have had to don the asbestos suits before it was over. I will, however, answer in a Zen-like fashion: The "best looper" is whatever looper you enjoy using the most right now. Tomorow may find you at the store again. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 14:26:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21140; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:25:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:25:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:28:07 -0800 Subject: Yamaha AW 16G? From: Ernie Mansfield To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200212051641.LAA29337@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone checked out the Yamaha AW 16G digital recorder? It claims - in addtion to being a 16+ recorder - to have looping "on the fly" capabilities, and also store samples, which are use-create-able, and triggered from buttons on the front panel. Also, it claims to have effects, and digital mixing capability. The looping "on the fly" calims to have 180 seconds of looping, which can then be assigned to a recording channel. However, I do not know how much variation is offered in the looping part - whether there are any levels of undo, etc. There is also MIDI control, and a footswitch. It looks as if this were designed mainly for recording, but with a few other interesting features. However, I have not yet seen a review of this. Anybody know any more about it? -- Ernie Mansfield Mansfield Music -- http://www.mansfieldmusic.com ernie@mansfieldmusic.com -- Hear my music at: http://www.mp3.com/erniemansfield From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 14:41:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22034; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:35:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:35:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021210193349.24173.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:33:49 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Apple issues To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <900283BB-0C67-11D7-936D-0003934B4712@solostring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You guys are slowly convincing me to buy a mac! I did work with G4�s a while back but they weren�t crash free, but with windows ME i tell you i am loosing hair and the few left turning gray! I ve heard XP is better but my soundcard is having major issues with its drivers for it... So now that we are on the subject how compatible are Macs with all of the the new flat monitors? do they have to be from apple as well? I also read a major complaint in the papers for new mac users having to buy i think itools extra for 100dlls. now that wouldn�t be very generous from apple would it? cheers L.a wrote: > > why a Mac? > > One word - Reliability. > > Before I switched to mac, I spent a number of years > working with PC's, > and encountered so many problems with PC/Windows > systems... Blue screen > of death, random strange problems.... I'd just had > enough. I think the > problems with PC's lie with the sheer diversity of > processors, > motherboards, cards, peripherals etc. etc. There are > always driver > conflicts, software glitches and basic screw-ups > with Microsoft's > bloated OS. > > With Macs, there is just one producer of computers - > Apple. They also > write (and do a very good job of it) the OS. It > works. Sure they cost > more than a comparable PC, but at what price is > reliability? > > Whilst Mac systems are certainly not 100% problem > free, I do have the > confidence to use them in live performances which I > would never have > with a PC setup. > > Thats my 0.2c :) > > -- > Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - > http://SoloString.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 14:41:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22383; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:39:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:39:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004901c2a083$cc58b240$9f68389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> From: "nicholson_matt" To: References: <000701c2a072$e0b48cc0$0601a8c0@SATAN> Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:39:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1086 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1086 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2002 19:39:12.0716 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0FC70C0:01C2A083] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Output latency is probably the biggest reason why I use a Mac w/ OSX. A simple example would be Propellerheads Reason 2.0, since they kindly ship both Windows and Mac versions on the same disc. I can never get the latency down below 50ms in Windows XP before the sound starts to stutter. Mac OSX on the other hand, I suppose since I'm using the built-in sound and drivers, gets a 1ms latency with no stuttering. It appears to me that Apple has taken a huge stride in their audio support since Mac OSX was released. I'd be shocked if the newest Titaniums have the audio performance of an iBook considering iBooks have G3 processors and Titaniums are usually loaded with 512mb of RAM standard. Since I'm considering going for a Titanium myself, I'd definitely be interested in reading about its audio performance from anyone who owns one. -- Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 9:30 AM Subject: RE: Mac G4 midi software question > Hey Stuart, Hi Ritsu, > > another point I have yet to understand: why a Mac? (except for an uncanny > desire to use Emagic software). While I do well understand the valid points > of the anti-ms/intel fraction, I cannot see (from my uninformed point of > view) the real advantage of a Mac. Is it better suited for > harddisk-recording, audio processing, or something else ? > > Rainer > > Rainer Straschill > Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de > digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de > The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) > > [mailto:loopers-delight@solostring.com] > > Sent: Montag, 9. Dezember 2002 23:51 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question > > > > > > Hi Ritsu, > > > > If you have the money, then opt for a dual processor. Whilst you will > > not gain too many benefits with your music software, it will > > make other > > applications such as image control run very very smoothly (especially > > under OSX). > > > > The software itself for OSX is not necessarily optimised for dual > > processors - it is the Operating System itself that is designed for > > multi-processor support. > > > > Go for it :) (I'm jealous).... > > > > - Stuart (and his little ibook) > > > > > > On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 10:32 PM, Ritsu Katsumata wrote: > > > > > Hi everyone-- > > > > > > I'm thinking of getting a Mac G4 to hook up my midi gear to, and > > > wanted to know if there's any reason to spring for the Dual > > Processor > > > models, or if the iMac 800Mhz is good enough. I heard that video > > > editing and 3d modelling app's are optimized for dual > > processors, what > > > about music software? > > > > > > Planning on using DP3, but open to suggestions -- thanks, > > -- > > Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 14:41:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21993; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:35:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:35:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1039548893!53154 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA0E@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: Controlling Repeater with fcb1010... Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:28:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2A082.5E37E7F0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A082.5E37E7F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>With a behringer fcb1010 midi foot controller i can do what i can do with a digitech fs300 plus other things, or i would need both pedals?............ I would like to have a possibility to control repeater, and then, pressing a button, the midi controls of the pedals would affect only another unit and not the repeater. So i have not to buy two fcb1010! Thanks for answering...<<< I think I get y'r drift. I have some reservations about the fcb1010, but I haven't really done much with mine, and it seems to be quite popular.... amongst my reservations is this, though. and please, list-members, correct me if I'm wrong: you set up the midi channel for each pedal /globally/. so if your 'peater is on ch15 and y'r fx box is on ch14, they get (say) five pedals each and that's that. then all of the presets you program will have five pedals doing something on ch15 and the other five on ch14. what I don't like about the fcb is this: the pedals recall presets in the fcb1010. each preset is a snapshot, and may contain up to x-number of programme changes (5, is it?), two controller values, a note-on, set-ups for the pedals (upper & lower limits and an initial value). I may have the details wrong but that's basically what the fcb1010 does. so you might have to programme an entire preset and recall it even if all you want to do is issue a single PC command to (say) put 'peater into record on track 2. this eats up the fcb1010's memory quite quickly and means you can't put things where you want them in terms of (say) having transport commands at the bottom and track selects at the top. and, as I noted before (excuse the pun), the tap tempo works by sending a note-on when you hit a pedal.... but the pedal has to recall the preset to do this, so those controller values that were initialised by the preset the first time you recalled it, they get initialised again. so if one of them is controlling the pitch of one of y'r 'peater tracks and you've altered it with a keyboard or the front panel, the fcb1010 is going to unalter it for you when you go to tap your tempo in. I wanted a footboard where there were ten switches that could be programmed to send any midi string I wanted, and two controller pedals that could send any CC on any channel. there'd be another pair of switches to change presets, and each preset would have it's own optional setup string that would be sent when it was selected. you might be able to use the fcb1010 like you want if the PC's don't all coincide, but it's a bit unlikely. and I imagine that I'd have a hard time working the repeater without the comforting immediacy of the hard-wired footswitch (the fs300), however the fcb1010 was set up. anyway. just my thoughts. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A082.5E37E7F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] RE: Controlling Repeater with fcb1010...

>>With a behringer fcb1010 midi foot controller i c= an do what i can do with a
digitech fs300 plus other things, or i would need both p= edals?............
I would like to have a possibility to control repeater, = and then, pressing a
button, the midi controls of the pedals would affect onl= y another unit and
not the repeater. So i have not to buy two fcb1010!
Thanks for answering...<<<

I think I get y'r drift. I have some reservations about t= he fcb1010, but I haven't really done much with mine, and it seems to be qu= ite popular....

amongst my reservations is this, though. and please, list= -members, correct me if I'm wrong: you set up the midi channel for each ped= al /globally/. so if your 'peater is on ch15 and y'r fx box is on ch14, the= y get (say) five pedals each and that's that. then all of the presets you p= rogram will have five pedals doing something on ch15 and the other five on = ch14.

what I don't like about the fcb is this: the pedals recal= l presets in the fcb1010. each preset is a snapshot, and may contain up to = x-number of programme changes (5, is it?), two controller values, a note-on= , set-ups for the pedals (upper & lower limits and an initial value). I= may have the details wrong but that's basically what the fcb1010 does. so = you might have to programme an entire preset and recall it even if all you = want to do is issue a single PC command to (say) put 'peater into record on= track 2. this eats up the fcb1010's memory quite quickly and means you can= 't put things where you want them in terms of (say) having transport comman= ds at the bottom and track selects at the top. and, as I noted before (excu= se the pun), the tap tempo works by sending a note-on when you hit a pedal.= ... but the pedal has to recall the preset to do this, so those controller = values that were initialised by the preset the first time you recalled it, = they get initialised again. so if one of them is controlling the pitch of o= ne of y'r 'peater tracks and you've altered it with a keyboard or the front= panel, the fcb1010 is going to unalter it for you when you go to tap your = tempo in.

I wanted a footboard where there were ten switches that c= ould be programmed to send any midi string I wanted, and two controller ped= als that could send any CC on any channel. there'd be another pair of switc= hes to change presets, and each preset would have it's own optional setup s= tring that would be sent when it was selected.

you might be able to use the fcb1010 like you want if the= PC's don't all coincide, but it's a bit unlikely. and I imagine that I'd h= ave a hard time working the repeater without the comforting immediacy of th= e hard-wired footswitch (the fs300), however the fcb1010 was set up.=

anyway. just my thoughts.

duncan.

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MTV Networks Europe ***************************************************************************= ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A082.5E37E7F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 14:55:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23780; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:54:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:54:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.147.49.88] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: G3 powerbook running protools LE Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:52:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2002 19:52:15.0456 (UTC) FILETIME=[A3891600:01C2A085] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Folks, I just picked up the Mbox & so I have crossed over to the dark side (just kidding :p) Anyway, I plan on installing the software onto G3 powerbook 500mhz, 256k ram. I know plugins take a lot of memory but is this ok to start with or am I going to run into a problem right at the start Grazie LOU ps. is anybody using pluggo? that looks like it has some fun stuff & it is a lot less then MAX/MSP _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 15:07:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26015; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:06:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:06:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Nathan Bannow" To: Subject: RE: Mac G4 midi software question Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:06:49 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004901c2a083$cc58b240$9f68389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "A simple example would be Propellerheads Reason 2.0, since they kindly ship both Windows and Mac versions on the same disc. I can never get the latency down below 50ms in Windows XP before the sound starts to stutter. Mac OSX on the other hand, I suppose since I'm using the built-in sound and drivers, gets a 1ms latency with no stuttering." This is your setup, not a generic Windows/Intel problem. Get better hardware, and your latency will drop. Using an old Sound Blaster Live! & Windows ME-or-2000 I get a consistent 4-8ms under HEAVY load. The "curse" of a million different pieces of hardware all made from different manufacturers usually only strikes on cheap hardware. With quality hardware comes quality tech support and drivers, in my experience at least. -Nathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 15:12:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26408; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:10:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:10:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005d01c2a088$19f18410$9f68389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> From: "nicholson_matt" To: References: <20021210193349.24173.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Apple issues Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:09:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1086 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1086 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2002 20:10:01.0360 (UTC) FILETIME=[1EDD2100:01C2A088] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Louie, Apple has been improving their 3rd party flatscreen monitor support since they started including video cards with DVI-I connectors such as the GeForce 4 and ATI Radeon 9000. Granted, there's probably no flatscreen out there better than Apple's 23" HD Cinema Display, but you can find 15" and 17" flatscreens that are more affordable than Apple's. I recommend the ATI card, it looks like Apple only uses the MX line of cards from nVidia, which are severely cut down in 3D graphics features. iTools (renamed .Mac) really just isn't all that useful except for freeware downloads, but you can find all the same stuff out on the web it's just not as convenient as having a .Mac account. -- Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louie Angulo" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 11:33 AM Subject: Apple issues > You guys are slowly convincing me to buy a mac! > I did work with G4�s a while back but they weren�t > crash free, but with windows ME i tell you i am > loosing hair and the few left turning gray! > I ve heard XP is better but my soundcard is having > major issues with its drivers for it... > So now that we are on the subject how compatible are > Macs with all of the the new flat monitors? do they > have to be from apple as well? I also read a major > complaint in the papers for new mac users having to > buy i think itools extra for 100dlls. now that > wouldn�t be very generous from apple would it? > cheers > L.a > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > why a Mac? > > > > One word - Reliability. > > > > Before I switched to mac, I spent a number of years > > working with PC's, > > and encountered so many problems with PC/Windows > > systems... Blue screen > > of death, random strange problems.... I'd just had > > enough. I think the > > problems with PC's lie with the sheer diversity of > > processors, > > motherboards, cards, peripherals etc. etc. There are > > always driver > > conflicts, software glitches and basic screw-ups > > with Microsoft's > > bloated OS. > > > > With Macs, there is just one producer of computers - > > Apple. They also > > write (and do a very good job of it) the OS. It > > works. Sure they cost > > more than a comparable PC, but at what price is > > reliability? > > > > Whilst Mac systems are certainly not 100% problem > > free, I do have the > > confidence to use them in live performances which I > > would never have > > with a PC setup. > > > > Thats my 0.2c :) > > > > -- > > Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - > > http://SoloString.com > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 15:22:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28257; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:20:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:20:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:20:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200212101520.AA149749910@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: macs & pretend-computers X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <83BG3B.A.b5G._xk99@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>> why a Mac? > >One word - Reliability. > No offense, but I've never bought into this argument. I've seen way too many Macs die on stage or in rehearsals to buy that they are any more reliable in general than a PC. The main reason IMHO to use a mac is the software that you run on it that you can't run on a PC. If you want to use Max, DP3(4), Logic, etc... You need a mac. I own both PCs and Macs and use them both for music stuff. I've tuned my "music" PC so that it never crashes, ever. The PC that I use for everything else, like e-mail, web, office, etc... crashes all the time, but I think that that has more to do with the fact of all the software that I've installed and removed and the kind of creeping crud that happens with any system over years of use. When I was using the Mac for more than just music stuff, I was crashing it once or twice a week. I finally wiped it and started from scratch and now it is pretty reliable, but I still wouldn't trust it as my sole sound source in a live environment. Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 15:32:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30232; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:26:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:26:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Mac G4 midi software question Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:26:32 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001201c2a08a$6e007550$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <3DF4D044000019FA@mta5.wss.scd.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA30206 Resent-Message-ID: <_KZM5D.A.SYH.73k99@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Fr�n: Chris Roberts [mailto:cpr@musetrap.com] > I'm not a Mac-person, myself, but I worked at Apple for a > year in the 'ProMedia' group, and I can vouch for the > brainshare in the OS X audio group... That's nice to hear! I'd like to buy a new Mac in a year or two if there will be a new product line of Apple machines with faster processors (to be able to continue working with Logic). After leaving my old Atari in -94 I went Mac since there were no alternatives back then. In -98 I bought my first Windows box and now I'm using mainly PCs on WinXP. It's true that you can get a lot more CPU power and bang for the buck along the pc road but you really have to put some serious efforts into learning about the parts of your machine. Not every motherboard on the market is doing fine with every processor. The bottom line is that you will probably run into trouble if you buy a PC for audio use right off the shell. If you want a strong and stable PC you have to pick the parts and also maintain the system in a good way. I keep separate, bootable, system partitions (hidden from each other) and never install any software other than the audio applications into the studio partition. If I want to use the Office Suite I reboot into that partition. Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 15:51:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00997; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:48:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:48:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DF6528E.7A353B1D@ubuibi.org> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:46:07 -0800 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question References: <900283BB-0C67-11D7-936D-0003934B4712@solostring.com> <3DF63517.F621D011@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hmm a likewise situation for myself when i was working hardware at the academy of art..... we had 3 people running a network of over 800 g4's (os9,) with students hammering them with over 20 applications, meanwhile the winhell i.t. department needed 15+ people to run the admin boxes with perhaps 6 apps for perhaps 200. Mark wrote: > I can't agree with you more Stuart. I work in a company that's all > Wintel boxes, except for our Video editing suite and the Art director > and myself (designer/animator). I've just seen *too* many weird > conflicts and problems on the Windows platform, even though all the > Wintel boxes (running W2K) are just running office for the most part. > Our web server? Mac too. I asked our IS guy and he said, "stability > mostly." All the PCs are locked down so no one can make any changes or > install anything, but the macs are left alone. Why? "I just don't have > any problems with them." > > But, I think there's another issue here as well. OSX. It's really the > biggest reason I didn't go from my old Power Mac to a PC. I've not yet > tried v. 10.2, but 10.1 is like a rock. Occasionally apps will go down, > but the OS itself remains untouched. It just "feels" better. I can't > wait until Digital Performer 4 comes out and I can stay in OSX all the > time. With it's built in MIDI functions and protected memory system I > believe that now that ProTools has been ported to it, it will become the > industry standard for music. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 15:51:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32564; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:41:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:41:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: new vst loop plugin - testers needed Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:34:20 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <3DF47FD7.385AF81A@ubuibi.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com will do... we're definitely excited about writing our stuff for mac, it's just a matter of actually having one to do the dev work on. really looking forward to see how the audio units sdk is to work with. > -----Original Message----- > From: das [mailto:das@ubuibi.org] > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 3:35 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: new vst loop plugin - testers needed > > > let us know if you get it mac-capable > > Paul Weissman wrote: > > > > know it works in both Cubase SX and FruityLoops. > > > > This plug-in is PC and VST only. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 16:38:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04581; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:32:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:32:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: vst loop plugin Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:25:40 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com not sure how many of you out there do any looping inside a computer, but i thought i'd ask anyway... with a vst effect, you can capture/record an audio stream for as long as you have memory available in your pc. now, given the limitations of working entirely inside a vst host (no custom control surface, just midi devices like keyboards/knob boxes)... what would you like to see the plugin be able to do to the captured audio stream? and do you see this as feasible to use with the kind of performance you do? i know at least some of you are curious about or have already started working with apps like ableton live, so some level of interest in working with computers exists. curious as to what people are thinking. ALSO... we still need two or three more people to help us with our vst plugin. anybody else want to help test/play with an early version of the above concept? paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 17:00:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05929; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:58:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:58:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:01:32 -0500 Subject: quest for Repeater foot control From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3122384492_596873_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3122384492_596873_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit well, I've plundered the archives regarding the fcb1010/ repeater combo, and some folks say they love it, and some folks say they don't . . . At the very least, I want to be able to use my feet to operate the transport, choose which tracks to record onto, control track volumes, and reverse tracks, without having to do crazy tap-dancing. Will fcb1010 make this possible or not?? Based on what I've read in the archives, I can't tell. If not fcb1010, what are people's alternative recommendations? thanks much for your help, Dan -- ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com d.ans@verizon.net --MS_Mac_OE_3122384492_596873_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable quest for Repeater foot control well, I've plundered the archives regarding the fcb1010/ repeater combo, an= d some folks say they love it, and some folks say they don't . . .

At the very least, I want to be able to use my feet to operate the transpor= t, choose which tracks to record onto, control track volumes, and reverse tr= acks, without having to do crazy tap-dancing.

Will fcb1010 make this possible or not?? Based on what I've read in the arc= hives, I can't tell.

If not fcb1010, what are people's alternative recommendations?

thanks much for your help,

Dan

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--MS_Mac_OE_3122384492_596873_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 17:14:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07819; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:12:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:12:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:15:54 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: vst loop plugin In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:25 PM -0800 12/10/02, Paul Weissman wrote: >with a vst effect, you can capture/record an audio stream for as long as you >have memory available in your pc. now, given the limitations of working >entirely inside a vst host (no custom control surface, just midi devices >like keyboards/knob boxes)... what would you like to see the plugin be able >to do to the captured audio stream? and do you see this as feasible to use >with the kind of performance you do? I usually "perform" on signal processors, with input coming from recordings or other players, as opposed to playing an instrument and capturing loops of what I've played. I'd like a user interface that lets me have a visual overview of the sound material and which will give me quick access to editing and signal routing. Therefore I'd like to be able to record multiple audio inputs into buffers that can be either fully independent or linked together as two-channel or multichannel recordings. Then I'd like to be able to loop sections of these recordings either by "dropping" markers or by drag-selecting segments. Once I've defined one or more loops I'd like to be able to slide them around, either by dragging with the mouse or by assigning a MIDI controller. I'd want to control the start and end points of the loops either independently or as a pair, so I could dynamically change the length of a loop or so I could slide it back and forth through the recorded material. It would be good to be able to do this with more than one loop simultaneously. It should be possible to define multiple loops within a recording and to assign the selection of these loops to a graphic or physical controller such as a MIDI or QWERTY keyboard. Jumping from one loop to another should be optionally either instant or queueable, so that each loop would play completely through before switching to the next. A refinement of this loop sequencing system would be to save sequences as presets that could then be triggered. This would allow the creation of multi-loop phrases. The user interface for this stuff could be complicated to design, but I'd like it to reflect graphically the "objectness" of the loops and loop sequences. >ALSO... we still need two or three more people to help us with our vst >plugin. anybody else want to help test/play with an early version of the >above concept? Sign me up. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 17:39:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09020; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:33:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:33:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: vst loop plugin Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:33:23 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001701c2a09c$265cbf30$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA08999 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Fr�n: Paul Weissman [mailto:paul-mailinglists@nioterra.com] > not sure how many of you out there do any looping inside a > computer, but i thought i'd ask anyway... > Not much yet, but looking into the future I can see myself playing gigs with a rack mounted PC (or maybe a laptop) controlled by a midi floor device. The fact that the looper is a VST plug-in is very cool, since you can then use it with your favorite host application, on stage as well as in the studio. I would like all features to be fully controllable even when the host application is running in recording mode. This would be the perfect set-up to make live recordings of improvised loop music, as the host app will be recording at the same time (1) audio and the parameters controlling the VST loop plug-in; (2) midi clock/tempo and (3) midi controllers from the foot pedal board. > with a vst effect, you can capture/record an audio stream for > as long as you have memory available in your pc. The interesting question IMHO is what happens after you have run out of PC ram? Will the VST looper re-allocate memory? Will the oldest loop be deleted to make room for another top layer? Or will the computer crash? Cheers Per performance clip/collage at http://www.boysen.se/kitchenensemble/tellus.html (U need flash player - I'm playing the Milk Package ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 17:46:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09710; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:41:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:41:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: quest for Repeater foot control Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:43:10 +0100 Message-ID: <001401c2a09d$84b92130$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C2A0A5.E67D8930" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5kTx5C.A.oXC.n2m99@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C2A0A5.E67D8930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit quest for Repeater foot controlHey Dan, I use the FCB1010 exclusively to control a Repeater. There are people on the list who use it to control both Repeater and EDP (and seem happy with it), and others which control Repeater and a myriad of effects and drum machines (and are not so happy with it...for reasons I can understand): First: you can do anything you can do on the Repeater's front panel with the FCB1010 and more (and everything you mentioned in your post as must-haves). You can send CC, PC and midi note messages, and it has a way cool tap tempo feature to control effects which don't have this option but let you set the delay time using CCs (like a Digitech StudioQuad). As I said, I control every Repeater function with the FCB1010, and am quite happy with it. There are some drawbacks I'd like to mention: 1. sometimes the pedals "snap" to a value, sometimes they don't. I didn't take the time to find out when they do and when they don't. But it works out nearly most of the time for me. 2. They included two relay switches, but you can't tap them. A pity, I would've preferred to tap my Repeater and the Vortex with one foot press. (I know, time to get an EDP, but on the other hand, the Vortex acts up strangely anyway). Apart from that, it's hilarious fun to play with the FCB1010 and the Repeater: doing varispeed effects, panning, pitching and volumeing tracks with your feet, switching loops...it's comparable to having a repeater w/o foot controller and a person sitting in front of it while you play who can guess exactly what you want! Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs -----Original Message----- From: Dan Soltzberg [mailto:d.ans@verizon.net] Sent: Dienstag, 10. Dezember 2002 23:02 To: Loopers Delight Subject: quest for Repeater foot control well, I've plundered the archives regarding the fcb1010/ repeater combo, and some folks say they love it, and some folks say they don't . . . At the very least, I want to be able to use my feet to operate the transport, choose which tracks to record onto, control track volumes, and reverse tracks, without having to do crazy tap-dancing. Will fcb1010 make this possible or not?? Based on what I've read in the archives, I can't tell. If not fcb1010, what are people's alternative recommendations? thanks much for your help, Dan -- ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com d.ans@verizon.net ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C2A0A5.E67D8930 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable quest for Repeater foot control

Hey=20 Dan,

I use=20 the FCB1010 exclusively to control a Repeater. There are people on the = list who=20 use it to control both Repeater and EDP (and seem happy with it), and = others=20 which control Repeater and a myriad of effects and drum machines (and = are not so=20 happy with it...for reasons I can understand):

First:=20 you can do anything you can do on the Repeater's front panel with the = FCB1010=20 and more (and everything you mentioned in your post as must-haves). You = can send=20 CC, PC and midi note messages, and it has a way cool tap tempo feature = to=20 control effects which don't have this option but let you set the delay = time=20 using CCs (like a Digitech StudioQuad). As I said, I control every = Repeater=20 function with the FCB1010, and am quite happy with it. There are some = drawbacks=20 I'd like to mention:

1.=20 sometimes the pedals "snap" to a value, sometimes they don't. I didn't = take the=20 time to find out when they do and when they don't. But it works out = nearly most=20 of the time for me.

2.=20 They included two relay switches, but you can't tap them. A pity, I = would've=20 preferred to tap my Repeater and the Vortex with one foot press. (I = know, time=20 to get an EDP, but on the other hand, the Vortex acts up strangely=20 anyway).

Apart=20 from that, it's hilarious fun to play with the FCB1010 and the Repeater: = doing=20 varispeed effects, panning, pitching and volumeing tracks with your = feet,=20 switching loops...it's comparable to having a repeater w/o foot = controller and a=20 person sitting in front of it while you play who can guess exactly what = you=20 want!

Rainer

Rainer Straschill

Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - = www.moinlabs.de

digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de

The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Soltzberg=20 [mailto:d.ans@verizon.net]
Sent: Dienstag, 10. Dezember 2002 = 23:02
To: Loopers Delight
Subject: quest for = Repeater foot=20 control

well, I've plundered the archives = regarding the=20 fcb1010/ repeater combo, and some folks say they love it, and some = folks say=20 they don't . . .

At the very least, I want to be able to use my = feet to=20 operate the transport, choose which tracks to record onto, control = track=20 volumes, and reverse tracks, without having to do crazy=20 tap-dancing.

Will fcb1010 make this possible or not?? Based on = what=20 I've read in the archives, I can't tell.

If not fcb1010, what = are=20 people's alternative recommendations?

thanks much for your=20 help,

Dan

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------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C2A0A5.E67D8930-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 17:52:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10009; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:47:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:47:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021210224708.76968.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:47:08 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Apple issues To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005d01c2a088$19f18410$9f68389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thats good to know i just got a very nice 18" Benq Flat screen and i use Sonar as my main recording software.Too bad cakewalk doesn�t have a program for Macs (if i buy one)...pro tools requires its own hardware and Logic well...i didn�t have much patient for it and after all i am a musician not a computer devotee:-) > Louie, > > Apple has been improving their 3rd party flatscreen > monitor support since > they started including video cards with DVI-I > connectors such as the GeForce > 4 and ATI Radeon 9000. Granted, there's probably no > flatscreen out there > better than Apple's 23" HD Cinema Display, but you > can find 15" and 17" > flatscreens that are more affordable than Apple's. I > recommend the ATI card, > it looks like Apple only uses the MX line of cards > from nVidia, which are > severely cut down in 3D graphics features. iTools > (renamed .Mac) really just > isn't all that useful except for freeware downloads, > but you can find all > the same stuff out on the web it's just not as > convenient as having a .Mac > account. > > -- Matt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Louie Angulo" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 11:33 AM > Subject: Apple issues > > > > You guys are slowly convincing me to buy a mac! > > I did work with G4�s a while back but they weren�t > > crash free, but with windows ME i tell you i am > > loosing hair and the few left turning gray! > > I ve heard XP is better but my soundcard is having > > major issues with its drivers for it... > > So now that we are on the subject how compatible > are > > Macs with all of the the new flat monitors? do > they > > have to be from apple as well? I also read a major > > complaint in the papers for new mac users having > to > > buy i think itools extra for 100dlls. now that > > wouldn�t be very generous from apple would it? > > cheers > > L.a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > why a Mac? > > > > > > One word - Reliability. > > > > > > Before I switched to mac, I spent a number of > years > > > working with PC's, > > > and encountered so many problems with PC/Windows > > > systems... Blue screen > > > of death, random strange problems.... I'd just > had > > > enough. I think the > > > problems with PC's lie with the sheer diversity > of > > > processors, > > > motherboards, cards, peripherals etc. etc. There > are > > > always driver > > > conflicts, software glitches and basic screw-ups > > > with Microsoft's > > > bloated OS. > > > > > > With Macs, there is just one producer of > computers - > > > Apple. They also > > > write (and do a very good job of it) the OS. It > > > works. Sure they cost > > > more than a comparable PC, but at what price is > > > reliability? > > > > > > Whilst Mac systems are certainly not 100% > problem > > > free, I do have the > > > confidence to use them in live performances > which I > > > would never have > > > with a PC setup. > > > > > > Thats my 0.2c :) > > > > > > -- > > > Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - > > > http://SoloString.com > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 17:54:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10071; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:48:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:48:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021210224824.20598.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:48:24 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: Controlling Repeater with fcb1010... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA0E@LON-MAIL07> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > amongst my reservations is this, though. and please, list-members, correct me > if I'm wrong: you set up the midi channel for each pedal /globally/. so if your > 'peater is on ch15 and y'r fx box is on ch14, they get (say) five pedals each > and that's that. then all of the presets you program will have five pedals > doing something on ch15 and the other five on ch14. This is only true for the CC pedals, not for the switches. The switches can send up to 5 PC msgs (and set the 2 mechanical swithes, and send a CC, and/or a note) for each press. The 5 PC msgs are like slots, you can program the preset to either use it or not. Each of the 5 PC msg "slots" are assigned globally a midi channel. So, if you send PC-1 and 2 on channel 1, you'd have three other PC "slots" that you could send on another channel. There's a limitation there, while you could send 5 PC messages to the same device (same MIDI channel) if that was all you used, if you use different devices (on different midi channels), you could send less PC mesgs to any given on for any given switch you press. > what I don't like about the fcb is this: the pedals recall presets in the > fcb1010. each preset is a snapshot, and may contain up to x-number of programme > changes (5, is it?), two controller values, a note-on, set-ups for the pedals > (upper & lower limits and an initial value). I may have the details wrong but > that's basically what the fcb1010 does. so you might have to programme an > entire preset and recall it even if all you want to do is issue a single PC > command to (say) put 'peater into record on track 2. If all you want to do is send a PC to select track 2, all you need to program for that switch is that one PC. (If you wanted to start recording on that track, you'd have to send two PC msgs, since select track and record are seperate functions in the Repeaters midi implementation). > this eats up the fcb1010's > memory quite quickly and means you can't put things where you want them in > terms of (say) having transport commands at the bottom and track selects at the > top. My understanding is that it's got enough memory to fully populate all the presets (banks 0-9, switchs 1-10 in each). I don't see how memory comes into the picture. I don't understand what you're saying about not being able to put any command anywhere you want. I programmed my FCB1010 to have transport-related commands on the bottom row (reverse, undo, play, record, and tap tempo) and track select commands on the top (select track1, 2, 3, 4, and multiply) on the top. BUT it would have been no problem to have reversed that, it's what YOU tell it to send when you press that button. There's no limitation on what you can send. > and, as I noted before (excuse the pun), the tap tempo works by sending a > note-on when you hit a pedal.... but the pedal has to recall the preset to do > this, Yes, but it only sends what you tell it to, nothing else. > so those controller values that were initialised by the preset the first > time you recalled it, they get initialised again. so if one ! > of them is controlling the pitch of one of y'r 'peater tracks and you've > altered it with a keyboard or the front panel, the fcb1010 is going to unalter > it for you when you go to tap your tempo in. Nope. On my tap tempo button, the only thing it sends is the PC message for tap tempo. It doesn't undo anything that's already set. Here's an example that should prove this. When I select track 1 (via switch 6), I assign one of the CC pedals to control pitch on that track, and the other to control track volume. If I alter the pitch using the CC pedal, and then press the swithc I have assigned to tap tempo, the pitch remains altered. If I select track 2 (via switch 7), I can also change aroudn it's pitch and relative volume. The settings I made on track one remain until I step on switch 6 and move the pedals again (or use the front panel, or step on a different switch where I send the CC command to reset the pitch or volume). > I wanted a footboard where there were ten switches that could be programmed to > send any midi string I wanted, and two controller pedals that could send any CC > on any channel. It'll send any midi string you want via the switches (within the limitations imposed by their "slot" method of sending PC messages), but the CC pedals are assigned global midi channels, so you're stuck there. > you might be able to use the fcb1010 like you want if the PC's don't all > coincide, but it's a bit unlikely. and I imagine that I'd have a hard time > working the repeater without the comforting immediacy of the hard-wired > footswitch (the fs300), however the fcb1010 was set up. I disagree. The FCB1010 does everything I want to do with my Repeater. The only gross limitation I see regarding controlling multiple devices is that the CC pedals can only control one device (unless they share midi channels, which you don't want most of the time). Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 17:54:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09772; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:42:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:42:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005801c2a09d$522c74b0$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> From: "Bob Campbell" To: References: Subject: Re: quest for Repeater foot control Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:41:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0055_01C2A05A.3BEE02B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <9snsd.A.mYC.t3m99@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C2A05A.3BEE02B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable quest for Repeater foot controlDanS said: >> ...I've plundered the archives regarding the fcb1010/ repeater = combo... Don't forget the fcb1010 yahoo group.=20 There has been a fair amount of traffic on that list (566 members). But = I just searched the messages there for 'repeater' and was surprised to = only find a few posts. Still, perhaps it would be worth posting a = question there as well. -Bob ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C2A05A.3BEE02B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable quest for Repeater foot control

DanS said:

>> ...I've plundered the archives regarding the fcb1010/ = repeater=20 combo...

Don't forget the fcb1010 yahoo group.

There has been=20 a fair amount of traffic on that list (566 members). But I just = searched=20 the messages there for 'repeater' and was surprised to only find a few = posts.=20 Still, perhaps it would be worth posting a question there as=20 well.

-Bob

------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C2A05A.3BEE02B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 17:59:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10701; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:56:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:56:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021210225628.89149.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:56:27 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: quest for Repeater foot control To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Dan Soltzberg wrote: > well, I've plundered the archives regarding the fcb1010/ repeater combo, and > some folks say they love it, and some folks say they don't . . . > > At the very least, I want to be able to use my feet to operate the > transport, choose which tracks to record onto, control track volumes, and > reverse tracks, without having to do crazy tap-dancing. > > Will fcb1010 make this possible or not?? Yes, absolutely. Mine is set up like this: Bank 0: 1=Reverse 2=Undo 3=Play 4=Record, assigns left pedal to control Feedback 5=TapTempo 6=Select track 1, assigns left pedal to course pitch, right pedal to track volume 7=Select track 2, assigns left pedal to course pitch, right pedal to track volume 8=Select track 3, assigns left pedal to course pitch, right pedal to track volume 9=Select track 4, assigns left pedal to course pitch, right pedal to track volume 10=Multiply I plan on setting some additional banks where the track select does stereo tracks, where I can slip the tracks with the CC pedals, where I can do fine pitch adjust, etc. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 18:27:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14136; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:27:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:27:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c2a0a4$225e95e0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <900283BB-0C67-11D7-936D-0003934B4712@solostring.com> <3DF63517.F621D011@zerocrossing.net> <3DF6528E.7A353B1D@ubuibi.org> Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:30:12 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alas, I don't know what kind of implementation guys you folks had, but they didn't know what they were doing on the Windows machines that are reported as repeat-crashers. The only crashes I've had in the past 6 years on my machines here have been 1 virus-related (1998), two hard drive failures (1998 and 2001, separate drives), two registry corruptions during beta tests (and by this I don't mean the "free software" most folks think "beta" means these days), and an upgrade experiment gone wrong migrating between motherboards (a clean install is always best). I don't have any cheap or knockoff components, and do quite a bit of both video and audio editing and recording. I more than suspect that it's situations like this that most folks don't hear about. Most of us on the PC end running successful installs etc. are usually too busy getting something done to allow for the time it takes to re-gen installs - and, in over ten years of supporting PCs in the business environment, perhaps 5% of the hardware/software implementations I've worked on or otherwise maintained have had problems. Most of those had to do with guys who couldn't keep their damned hands off settings and other tweaks they'd read about in PC Mag etc. - and only when they'd not be able to undo their own damage, I got called up to put it back together. Funny about that though, I've only had men do this to their PCs, never women, who probably just want to do their job (not being a PC expert) and get on with it. So much for that. > hmm a likewise situation for myself when i was working hardware at the > academy of art..... > we had 3 people running a network of over 800 g4's (os9,) with students > hammering them with over 20 applications, > meanwhile the winhell i.t. department needed 15+ people to run the admin > boxes with perhaps 6 apps for perhaps 200. > > Mark wrote: > > > I can't agree with you more Stuart. I work in a company that's all > > Wintel boxes, except for our Video editing suite and the Art director > > and myself (designer/animator). I've just seen *too* many weird > > conflicts and problems on the Windows platform, even though all the > > Wintel boxes (running W2K) are just running office for the most part. > > Our web server? Mac too. I asked our IS guy and he said, "stability > > mostly." All the PCs are locked down so no one can make any changes or > > install anything, but the macs are left alone. Why? "I just don't have > > any problems with them." > > > > But, I think there's another issue here as well. OSX. It's really the > > biggest reason I didn't go from my old Power Mac to a PC. I've not yet > > tried v. 10.2, but 10.1 is like a rock. Occasionally apps will go down, > > but the OS itself remains untouched. It just "feels" better. I can't > > wait until Digital Performer 4 comes out and I can stay in OSX all the > > time. With it's built in MIDI functions and protected memory system I > > believe that now that ProTools has been ported to it, it will become the > > industry standard for music. > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 18:33:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14572; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:32:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:32:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c2a0a4$e1b03f20$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <001701c2a09c$265cbf30$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Subject: Re: vst loop plugin Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:35:08 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <9LoShD.A.mjD.Kmn99@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 22:33:PM Subject: SV: vst loop plugin > > Fr�n: Paul Weissman [mailto:paul-mailinglists@nioterra.com] > > not sure how many of you out there do any looping inside a > > computer, but i thought i'd ask anyway... > > > > Not much yet, but looking into the future I can see myself playing gigs > with a rack mounted PC (or maybe a laptop) controlled by a midi floor > device. This brings up an item I caught at a trade show last year, a rack-mountable server by Compaq that's less than an inch thick, but 2x3ft. They're for rack boxes with their own fans, but I could figure out how to do this without spending Compaq's overblown price if I just had the time. Then again, laptops are already in their own and for the most part seem to have solved a lot of the heat problems of the past. But I'd still like to build a PC that'd hang off the back of my work area, with the only fan required being used by the power supply (if that's even necessary). Theoretically it'd just need a dusting once in a while, London being what it is. Make THAT with Mac hardware - if you can even find the parts... S.P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 18:44:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15146; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:40:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:40:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: burnett@pobox.com X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:48:31 -0500 (EST) X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: vst loop plugin In-Reply-To: <003b01c2a0a4$e1b03f20$0201a8c0@eluk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, S.P. Goodman wrote: > This brings up an item I caught at a trade show last year, a rack-mountable > server by Compaq that's less than an inch thick, but 2x3ft. They're for > rack boxes with their own fans, but I could figure out how to do this > without spending Compaq's overblown price if I just had the time. Then > again, laptops are already in their own and for the most part seem to have > solved a lot of the heat problems of the past. But I'd still like to build > a PC that'd hang off the back of my work area, with the only fan required > being used by the power supply (if that's even necessary). Theoretically > it'd just need a dusting once in a while, London being what it is. > > Make THAT with Mac hardware - if you can even find the parts... http://www.apple.com/xserve/ -- Steve Burnett burnett@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~burnett/ System Administration Technical Documentation Information Retrieval From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 18:56:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16608; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:55:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:55:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:55:26 +0100 Subject: Re: Mac G4 vs ibook/imac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021210133718.0287cea0@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA16587 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 07:47 PM, Ritsu Katsumata wrote: > And how does your ibook do?� Do you do all your writing/looping music > making on the ibook as well as performing with it?� I don't do any multi-track stuff on the ibook, just straight stereo mastering, but I find it flawless. I use it live for various projects using Ableton's Live at the same time as a virtual synth soundfont package... and I've rarely hit more than about 20% CPU. However, there are times when I crave for a G4. Especially when using Reason, and desire rack after rack of virtual samplers. My ibook is also the hub of my computer world. Its my mp3 player, DVD player, email system, web browser, home web server, web design system.... in fact, without it, I'd be seriously lost. > > I figured that the 1 GB Dual Proc with a reasonable monitor will cost > me about $850 more than the imac with the 17" screen, 800 MHz cpu and > 258 MB Ram.� Will the Dual Proc give me $850 worth of value?� Will an > imac be a lot of trouble?� I heard that a lot of the early imacs were > duds. imacs are limited due to their lack of expansion internally (same I suppose as the ibook/Tibook).... If you have the budget, I would seriously go for a tower G4. You can then allow multi-screens (with extra monitors/graphics cards), PCI sound cards etc. etc. And the processing power of a dual G4 unit would last you a very long time. Laptops are great if you plan to do a lot of moving, or if you live in a small place like myself. Its late. I'm rambling.... :) > -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 18:58:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16798; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:58:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:58:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:57:34 +0100 Subject: OT: Re: Apple issues Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20021210193349.24173.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <273CFA26-0C9B-11D7-B45C-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 08:33 PM, Louie Angulo wrote: > how compatible are Macs with all of the the new flat monitors? Although Apple try to promote their lovely (but expensive) cinema displays, you can use any SVGA flat-screen/multisync monitor on any mac. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 19:17:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19109; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:16:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:16:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021211001535.8637.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:15:35 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: quest for Repeater foot control To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200212102254.RAA10498@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dan, Do yourself a favor and get thee hence to the repeater-users@yahoogroups.com site. Several of the people on this list are also subscribed there. Last month there was a rash of posts pertaining to using the FCB with the Repeater, some of them were very detailed and got me out of my MIDI slump long enough to finally program it for myself. I'm very happy with it, though I've just begun to scratch the surface. As far as the FS300 is concerned (the Digitech 3 button footswitch), I have this as well and it's nice because the three main functions are always there regardless of which bank your FCB is on. It also frees up the FCB from having to do these simple tasks, allowing it to do what it really shines at. And the best thing about the repeater-users list is that there is no philosophizing going on there ! (I've just donned my asbestos long-underwear :) > well, I've plundered the archives regarding the fcb1010/ repeater combo, and some folks say they > love it, and some folks say they don't . . . __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 10 19:24:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19487; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:20:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:20:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017a01c2a0ab$a1acbfa0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: vst loop plugin Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:15:52 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 23:48:PM Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: vst loop plugin > On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, S.P. Goodman wrote: > > > This brings up an item I caught at a trade show last year, a rack-mountable > > server by Compaq that's less than an inch thick, but 2x3ft. They're for > > rack boxes with their own fans, but I could figure out how to do this > > without spending Compaq's overblown price if I just had the time. Then > > again, laptops are already in their own and for the most part seem to have > > solved a lot of the heat problems of the past. But I'd still like to build > > a PC that'd hang off the back of my work area, with the only fan required > > being used by the power supply (if that's even necessary). Theoretically > > it'd just need a dusting once in a while, London being what it is. > > > > Make THAT with Mac hardware - if you can even find the parts... > > http://www.apple.com/xserve/ I stand corrected. Make that, "...if you can find the parts. Or afford them." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 00:38:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09468; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:36:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:36:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021211053651.87199.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:36:51 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Robert Fripp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200211251934.OAA09287@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2GX0GB.A.2TC.07s99@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <<>>does anyone know what signal chain Robert Fripp uses to get that tone? I've always liked that. It sounds like a fuzz box to me, maybe with an octave.<< I think it's just shit-loads of gain, though you never hear any buzz or hiss.... the guitar itself is a major factor; you'd never get sustain like that from a stratocaster.... it would have a lot more "character". another thing about fripp's sustained notes is that he seldom applies vibrato. this lends his solos a strange emotionless quality. whereas mr torn will wobble all over the place. probably the same amount of sustain, just used differently. also, mr fripp uses his tone controls very carefully- it's quite a mellow sound compared to, say, gary moore playing the same sort of guitar through the same amp and on the same pickup. but this would be the famous "skysaw" e-bow-less sound that eno introduced him to, and therefore probably deeply secret. I think fripp has a tiny e-bow built into the palm of his hand, meself. doesn't that sound a bit like him on that "we are all made of stars" tosh by moby melville? anyway, no octaver.>> Well, at least in the early 70's, Fripp used just a volume pedal, wah wah, and fuzztone, with, I think, a tape delay of some kind (for regular echo effects). Fripp did an interview in Guitar Player back in 73 or 74 (Earthbound is mentioned, and so if Bruford, so it had to be about that time frame), and he said he wasn't even sure what brand wah wah or distortion pedal he was using at that point, and added "I've been able to get my sound regardless of what fuzztone I'm using" or something like that. At least the way it appears on records like Earthbound, I think it's the fuzztone, combined with the careful use of the wah wah and the tone controls on the guitar. I remember reading where Steve Stevens (when he was still playing in Billy Idol's band) said that he used "an old Robert Fripp" trick, which revolved around using the neck pickup and backing off on the tone control. I think he said that he prefered to use a Rat pedal, whereas Fripp used a Big Muff (not sure about the early 70's, but I know I read in other articles where Fripp mentioned using a Big Muff, and also that he used to use a Burns Buzzaround as well, in later articles and one of the boffins working for him build a switching unit that allowed him to switch between any distortion pedal he wanted). I also think part of the sound comes with the playing style, using a lot of hammer ons, pull offs, and slides. Nowadays, of course, Fripp has that Fernades Les Paul copy (actually, a couple of them, at least, I think) with the Sustainer built in, so "infinite" sustain is no problem. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 00:41:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09801; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:41:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:41:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:41:08 -0800 Subject: Re: Apple issues From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005d01c2a088$19f18410$9f68389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_-ccIB.A.DZC.0_s99@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 12/10/02 12:09 PM, nicholson_matt at nicholson_matt@msn.com wrote: > Granted, there's probably no flatscreen out there > better than Apple's 23" HD Cinema Display Well, there is IBM's 200ppi display which is absolutely gorgeous but interface elements get really, really tiny and screen redraws are a bit slow. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 00:43:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10012; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:43:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:43:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:43:19 -0800 Subject: OT: IK Multimedia T-RackS From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone here used T-RackS? Any opinions good or otherwise? I've played with the demo briefly but haven't had a chance to delve into whether it would be beneficial to use for mastering tracks. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 01:54:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14431; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:45:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:45:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c2a0e1$142eeaa0$f091ef18@earthlink.net> From: "Sarth" To: References: Subject: Re: IK Multimedia T-RackS Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:44:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's really cool, in that it gets a certain sound, and can get decent results easily. Getting a finer degree of control can be a pain though. -- Sarth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: "Looper's Delight" Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 12:43 AM Subject: OT: IK Multimedia T-RackS > Has anyone here used T-RackS? Any opinions good or otherwise? I've played > with the demo briefly but haven't had a chance to delve into whether it > would be beneficial to use for mastering tracks. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 02:50:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA18857; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:49:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:49:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: quest for Repeater foot control Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:49:36 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000c01c2a0e9$da2c5dc0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20021210225628.89149.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id CAA18836 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Fr�n: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] > > I plan on setting some additional banks where the track > select does stereo tracks, where I can slip the tracks with > the CC pedals, where I can do fine pitch adjust, etc. I keep one pad for selecting track 3/4 as a stereo pair. However this is only possible as long as you have not yet recorded on track 3 or for as mono. If you want to slip the stereo L/R tracks you have to start with separating them by doing a mono recording on one of the two tracks. After braking the stereo link, in this way, you can now use a pad to send a slip command. I like using this with ambient pads/drones. Starting out by recording long layered notes into the stereo pair, then breaking the stereo link and slipping the tracks. This opens up the stereo image a lot :-) I tried to slip with a pedal, but found this too time consuming (while playing at the same time) to hit the right time off set. Now I use one of the stomp buttons with a fixed value - I think it's an 8th note(?). That way I can stereo enhance a drone with just two kicks. Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 05:05:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA29609; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 05:04:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 05:04:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021211100337.53048.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:03:37 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Robert Fripp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20021211053651.87199.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One of my quests is still to mix all my loopers and digital rack gear with my favorite stomp boxes mainy compressors fuzzboxes and wahs but as i hooked them up in the back of the external control jacks from my roland GP100 preamp i noticed that it changes their tone quality.Another issue is having pedals plus the fcb1010 plus my GR33 synth on the floor which doesnt motivate me too much.If i could just trigger all of them with the FCB1010 with the signal not being affected it would be great! Is anybody doing this kind of configuration? L.a >> > also, mr fripp uses his tone controls very > carefully- it's quite a mellow sound compared to, > say, gary moore playing the same sort of guitar > through the same amp and on the same pickup. but > this would be the famous "skysaw" > e-bow-less sound that eno introduced him to, and > therefore probably deeply secret. I think fripp > has a tiny e-bow built into the palm of his hand, > meself. doesn't that sound a bit like him on that > "we are all made of stars" tosh by moby melville? > anyway, no octaver.>> > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 05:16:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA30202; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 05:15:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 05:15:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021211101519.19378.qmail@web40506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:15:19 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Repeater pich shift question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20021211001535.8637.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, There has been a couple of times where i started a loop live with the repeater and the loop plays back at a different pitch.(wasn�t all that bad everybody thought it was part of the show except me).I thought that turning off the power everything would be set to zero but although i change it manually back to 0 when i turn it back on it seems to be saving pitch +-7.Is this normal or am i sending evil midi messages? L.a ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 05:29:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA30839; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 05:26:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 05:26:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021211102619.93226.qmail@web80109.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:26:19 -0800 (PST) From: Kirkland Mack Subject: moogerfooger delay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-934718650-1039602379=:90188" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-934718650-1039602379=:90188 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just got the moogerfooger delay the fellow was trying to sell on here and I must say, it makes a mighty fine looper for really short stuff. The cool part is, you can set the controls so that when you use the control pedal for the delay time, the full sweep of the pedal shifts the pitch by a half step, or a whole step, or any small interval you want. You "tune" it using the delay time knob on the pedal. Not only that, but you can flip the short/long switch and it goes up (or down) by an octave, like a multiply/divide function but with analog deliciousness. Running this into my DL-4, I now have a very simple, but awesome modular looping rig. --0-934718650-1039602379=:90188 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I just got the moogerfooger delay the fellow was trying to sell on here and I must say, it makes a mighty fine looper for really short stuff. The cool part is, you can set the controls so that when you use the control pedal for the delay time, the full sweep of the pedal shifts the pitch by a half step, or a whole step, or any small interval you want. You "tune" it using the delay time knob on the pedal. Not only that, but you can flip the short/long switch and it goes up (or down) by an octave, like a multiply/divide function but with analog deliciousness. Running this into my DL-4, I now have a very simple, but awesome modular looping rig. --0-934718650-1039602379=:90188-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 05:33:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA31048; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 05:29:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 05:29:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021211102930.81237.qmail@web80105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:29:30 -0800 (PST) From: Kirkland Mack Subject: Bill Frisell looping songs? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1452074904-1039602570=:80918" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1452074904-1039602570=:80918 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Which tunes does Bill Frisell do looping stuff on? I'm looking for some recommended listening. BTW any Keller Williams fans in the house? --0-1452074904-1039602570=:80918 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Which tunes does Bill Frisell do looping stuff on? I'm looking for some recommended listening. BTW any Keller Williams fans in the house? --0-1452074904-1039602570=:80918-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 06:47:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03713; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:46:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:46:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:45:41 -0500 From: Sempai Subject: Re: IK Multimedia T-RackS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002c01c2a10a$dedb63e0$fe762544@user0jd9dje1rf> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <0U0HoC.A.35.eWy99@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't use it myself, but have heard VERY good things about it. Sempai ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: "Looper's Delight" Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 12:43 AM Subject: OT: IK Multimedia T-RackS > Has anyone here used T-RackS? Any opinions good or otherwise? I've played > with the demo briefly but haven't had a chance to delve into whether it > would be beneficial to use for mastering tracks. > > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 07:00:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA05974; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:59:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:59:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <192.1217b020.2b28824d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:58:05 EST Subject: Re: Bill Frisell looping songs? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_192.1217b020.2b28824d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_192.1217b020.2b28824d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bill does a lot of looping on his solo cd, ghost town. definitely worth checking out. =-/ PJ --part1_192.1217b020.2b28824d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bill does a lot of looping on his solo cd, ghost town. definitely worth checking out. =-/ PJ --part1_192.1217b020.2b28824d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 07:13:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA08618; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:12:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:12:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c2a10e$ea32b140$f3594ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <20021211102930.81237.qmail@web80105.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Bill Frisell looping songs? Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:14:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com check out the album with Elvin Jones and Dave Holland, also Ghost Town (completely solo, some multitracking, some looping) and any of the live album - the two Buster Keaton soundtracks are favourites of mine... ...or just order his entire back catalogue, and check it all out... money well spent... I'm guessing that 'Heaven', the duo record he's done recently with Ron Miles (under Ron's name) will feature lots of looping, but I've not been able to get a copy for sensible money yet... will look for it when I'm in California in January/Febuary... Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk (great CDs for christmas.... :o) ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirkland Mack" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:29 AM Subject: Bill Frisell looping songs? > Which tunes does Bill Frisell do looping stuff on? I'm looking for some recommended listening. BTW any Keller Williams fans in the house? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 08:12:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA13462; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:05:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:05:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Repeater pich shift question Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:05:03 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000d01c2a115$eb4b21f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20021211101519.19378.qmail@web40506.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id IAA13441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Fr�n: Louie Angulo [mailto:laab2000us@yahoo.com] > Hi, > There has been a couple of times where i started a > loop live with the repeater and the loop plays back at > a different pitch.(wasn�t all that bad everybody > thought it was part of the show except me).I thought > that turning off the power everything would be set to > zero but although i change it manually back to 0 when > i turn it back on it seems to be saving pitch +-7.Is > this normal or am i sending evil midi messages? > L.a With the Repeater it might be a good idea to keep a couple of foot controller patches for tuning each track back to +-0. Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 09:50:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24354; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:45:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:45:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Subject: Re: Apple issues To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:45:57 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 12/11/2002 09:46:01 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check out the Formac displays....I've got a 17" Gallery sitting next to a 15" Apple LCD, and they're both gorgeous; wish I'd had the $$ for a Formac 20"...the Formacs are brighter and faster, with higher contrast than the Apples; DVDs are supposed to look better on them but I haven't tried this yet. http://www.formac.com/p_bin/?cid=solutions_displays_gallery1740 David on 12/10/02 12:09 PM, nicholson_matt at nicholson_matt@msn.com wrote: > Granted, there's probably no flatscreen out there > better than Apple's 23" HD Cinema Display Well, there is IBM's 200ppi display which is absolutely gorgeous but interface elements get really, really tiny and screen redraws are a bit slow. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 09:53:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24276; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:44:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:44:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: burnett@pobox.com X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:52:51 -0500 (EST) X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] moogerfooger delay In-Reply-To: <20021211102619.93226.qmail@web80109.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <2Pj1a.A.O7F.-8099@hemlock.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Kirkland Mack wrote: > I just got the moogerfooger delay the fellow was trying to sell on here > and I must say, it makes a mighty fine looper for really short stuff. > The cool part is, you can set the controls so that when you use the > control pedal for the delay time, the full sweep of the pedal shifts the > pitch by a half step, or a whole step, or any small interval you want. > You "tune" it using the delay time knob on the pedal. Not only that, but > you can flip the short/long switch and it goes up (or down) by an > octave, like a multiply/divide function but with analog deliciousness. > Running this into my DL-4, I now have a very simple, but awesome modular > looping rig. I got one of these when it came out, and would be distraught if it were lost or stolen. With the pitch shift of the expression pedal controlled delay, it's great for a whalesong kind of thing. I had an idea recently I could use the same pitchshift with a vocoder output to add something of an inflection quality to the vocoder output, should test that out soon. Steve Burnett Laccoon, Subscape Annex From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 10:52:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30116; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:48:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:48:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:03:11 -0800 Message-Id: <200212110803.AA61931778@lanes.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "mark penner" Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: moogerfooger delay X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got one about 6 monthes ago. I really letting it self oscillate with almost no signal given to it so it starts this really heavy pulse and then looping the pulse. You can get some pretty heavy beats going. Mark ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Kirkland Mack Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:26:19 -0800 (PST) >I just got the moogerfooger delay the fellow was trying to sell on here and I must say, it makes a mighty fine looper for really short stuff. The cool part is, you can set the controls so that when you use the control pedal for the delay time, the full sweep of the pedal shifts the pitch by a half step, or a whole step, or any small interval you want. You "tune" it using the delay time knob on the pedal. Not only that, but you can flip the short/long switch and it goes up (or down) by an octave, like a multiply/divide function but with analog deliciousness. Running this into my DL-4, I now have a very simple, but awesome modular looping rig. > ____________________________________________________________ Free 20MB Web Site Hosting and Personalized E-mail Service! Get It Now At Doteasy.com http://www.doteasy.com/et/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 11:09:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32384; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:06:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:06:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021211160525.5008.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:05:25 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: moogerfooger delay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200212110803.AA61931778@lanes.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I do a similar thing by post-processing short loops from my Korg SDD-1000 through an Electrix Filter Queen (there's a Boss RPS-10 in the chain as well), then routing the signal back through one of my longer loopers. It'd be an interesting thread to discuss *combinations* of devices; what pieces of gear add up to more than the sum of their parts when used together? Or what equipment radically changes character/role when used elsewhere in the signal chain or in a different order than is conventional? Everyone knows about the volume pedal>delay>looper chain, but what other more esoteric combos are you folks using? -t- --- mark penner wrote: > I got [a moogerfooger] about 6 monthes ago. I really letting it > self oscillate with almost no signal given to it so > it starts this really heavy pulse and then looping > the pulse. You can get some pretty heavy beats > going. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 12:08:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05576; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:01:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:01:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1039626065!43738 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA1A@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: where is the looper in this picture? Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:55:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2A136.0AF24270" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A136.0AF24270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Everyone knows about the volume pedal>delay>looper chain, but what other more esoteric combos are you folks using?<< I use the looper (or "freezer box" in r.m.i. language) as en effect on a mixing desk. it's returned up a regular channel strip rather than a dumb stereo input, and I do the same with my other effects. this means that it can sees it's own output via another effect chain. so if the internal feedback is reduced or off, the feedback is going to be effected. then effected again. then effected again. then effected again. then effected again. then effected again. then effected again. then effected again. then effected again. then effected again. then effected again. then effected again. then effected again. then..... (you get the idea) it's easy to see how this could be useful in emulating the twin-revox tape sound with just a bit of eq in the feedback path, but there's no limit to the possibilities once you start playing with phasers, distortion, vocoders..... iteratively decaying audio- fantastic. another advantage is that pretty much anything that appears at the desk can be grabbed into the looper and messed with, so sometimes gary will turn his jam-man down and the guitar will carry on looping because I've had a sneaky sniff of it going into the repeater without him knowing. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A136.0AF24270 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] RE: where is the looper in this picture?

>>Everyone knows about the volume pedal>delay>= ;looper
chain, but what other more esoteric combos are you
folks using?<<

I use the looper (or "freezer box" in r.m.i. la= nguage) as en effect on a mixing desk. it's returned up a regular channel s= trip rather than a dumb stereo input, and I do the same with my other effec= ts. this means that it can sees it's own output via another effect chain. s= o if the internal feedback is reduced or off, the feedback is going to be e= ffected. then effected again.

then effected again. then effected again. then effected a= gain. then effected again. then effected again. then effected again. then e= ffected again. then effected again. then effected again. then effected agai= n. then effected again. then.....

(you get the idea)

it's easy to see how this could be useful in emulating th= e twin-revox tape sound with just a bit of eq in the feedback path, but the= re's no limit to the possibilities once you start playing with phasers, dis= tortion, vocoders..... iteratively decaying audio- fantastic.

another advantage is that pretty much anything that appea= rs at the desk can be grabbed into the looper and messed with, so sometimes= gary will turn his jam-man down and the guitar will carry on looping becau= se I've had a sneaky sniff of it going into the repeater without him knowin= g.

duncan/r.m.i.

> how compatible are Macs with all of the the new flat m= onitors? Although Apple try to promote their lovely (but expensive) cinema

displays, you can use any SVGA flat-screen/multisync = monitor on any mac.>> I see that Formac has come out with a new 20.5" flat screen for the Ma= c. They have good LCD screens for the Mac, at considerably less price than M= ac.
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--MS_Mac_OE_3122445274_145531_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 13:42:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15018; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:38:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:38:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021211100553.02af9f48@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:37:23 -0800 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP "MetaButtons" - "Stored Procedures" - "Presets" - "Triggers" In-Reply-To: <012101c29fcc$ebd254d0$9940a8c0@dyland> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:49 PM 12/9/2002, Dylan DeAnda wrote: >Is there a way to "Preset" different modes in the edp? > >For example, you have a "mode" that you use for a specific effect or >function, and it's defined as specific quantization value, insert mode, >record mode, etc. > >1. Is there any way to define a "mode" and then call that "mode" >arbitrarily? yes, assuming you are using LoopIV. LoopIV has Presets that let you store parameter settings and recall them. You can do this most easily with MIDI program change messages, but it is also possible to change presets from the front panel. see the Presets section of the LoopIV manual: http://www.aurisis.com/products/loopIV/loopIV.html >2. Is there any way to store a predefined button sequence in the edp? >Sort of like a "metabutton" that sets you up? It depends what you want to do. If you want this in order to edit parameters on the fly, it is likely much easier to do the same thing using Presets. You can switch presets on the fly much easier than editing the parameters. You can also use MIDI SysEx messages to directly edit any parameter, but of course that means a bit more programming of a midi controller. If your goal is to be able to access all of the InsertMode functions at the same time, LoopIV now has them all available by MIDI. These are in the VirtualButton set of midi commands, since they act just like the front panel buttons would. So for example, if you want to use Reverse, HalfSpeed, Replace, and Insert all on the same loop, you could have a midi controller set up with the VirtualButton for each one, and directly use them. This is much easier than with LoopIII, where you had to change the InsertMode parameter each time to program the Insert button to these functions. If you want to directly access functions that normally take several button presses or long-presses to reach on the front panel, LoopIV helps you there also. LoopIV has a greatly expanded MIDI implementation, and the DirectMIDI set of midi commands directly access all of these more complex operations. This way you can have a single button on a midi controller to do something instantly that takes more effort from the front. For example, if you were working with an external sequencer or looper and want to DeAlign and ReAlign your loops, there are several flavors of the ReAlign functions directly available by MIDI. From the front panel you have to press Mute first, and then Multiply to use ReAlign. (there are many more DirectMIDI functions available of course, for example, all the main functions have SUS action versions available in MIDI, in addition to the normal toggle versions.) >I'd like to trigger a prescribed sequence of actions while I'm >scratching on the turntables or singing, so that I can focus more on one >instrument than the edp. > >sounds like I may just need a sequencer........damn...that's not what I >want, I just want that functionality in my edp.> If what you want to do is several different functions at once on a loop, it is possible by midi from a decent midi controller. You don't have to use a sequencer unless you specifically want the actions timed rhythmically to a clock. The better midi controllers will let you set up a string of midi commands to go with one button. For example, you could have a single button that sends Overdub, HalfSpeed, and Reverse all at once. You can develop some really interesting custom functions in this way. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 14:22:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18946; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:18:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:18:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021211103919.02ae7e40@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:18:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: new vst loop plugin - testers needed In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That sounds like really interesting creation, however from your description what you are creating is a "phrase sampler" as opposed to a looper. Calling it "Looper" is a bit of a misnomer. The distinction is that a looper not only allows you to continuously play back the loop, but also continuously record into the loop while it is playing back at the same time. It really does loop all the time, whether it is overdubbing or just playing back, or doing any function at all really. Phrase samplers record the audio as a sample, but then mainly focus on ways to trigger the sample or mix it with other samples. Phrase Samplers don't have the capability to continuously record new material into a loop as layers on top of the existing material, all in real time while the loop is playing. Looping is achieved by retriggering the sample each time it plays through to the end, which may not be a noticeable difference to the listener, but is a huge architectural difference that has a big affect on what types of features are easy to implement or not. I'm not trying to knock what you are doing, because I do think it is interesting. But I think it is important to get the terminology right if you want to have credibility for what you are creating. It also helps for setting expectations right among users. If you call it a "looper" then a whole bunch of people will expect it to do a certain set of functions and come away disappointed, meanwhile completely ignoring the main things it actually does do. kim At 02:18 AM 12/9/2002, Paul Weissman wrote: >:What it does: > >"Looper" is a loop sampling VST plug-in. It allows you to capture tempo >sync'd audio samples in real time from any VST host. Once the sample has >been captured you can manipulate playback in a few different ways. The most >basic thing you can do is to let the sample loop in place, instantaneously >from when recording ends, in sync with tempo. Alternatives are to trigger >playback from various positions within the sample, allowing you manipulate >the playback position of the sample in real time. > >"Looper" can also be used as a studio tool. Once a sample has been captured >you can trigger playback via midi with or without looping on, to use the >tool as a traditional sampler is used. Sample playback can be started from >a variety of start points, which allows for very fast 'editing' of your >captured sample. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 11 14:37:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20066; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:35:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:35:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen"

To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20

Sent: Wednesday, December 11, = 2002 3:55=20 PM

Subject: Advice gurus

Hi,=20 my name is Matteo , I'm writing you form the far and sunny Italy, = because I=20 really need an advice from you gurus. I'm mad for your great web site = and I=20 really trust your opinions. I'm a songwriter, I used to play in a band = but now=20 I'd lke to play alone. My kind of music is all that kind stuff called = like=20 "lo-fi", psycho-indie, and so on. Well, sincerly talking I'm not "all" = alone I=20 play together with my notebook. I play guitar and sing then there's my = notebook (PC). I used to prepare some loops at home and then during = live gigs=20 play my guitar and sing while the notebook plays those loops. Now I'm = looking=20 for something different. I'd like to record even those loops during = the live=20 set, "on the fly" as you say. I know you perfectly know what I mean = but due to=20 my bad English I try to explain in any case (I don't want to be miss=20 understood). I'd like to start play with my guitar, for example a = simple riff=20 or arpeggios with a pair of chords record it and while I'm starting to = play=20 something other the device keep playing the previous loop , then add = another=20 loop and then continuing hearing the previous two playing something = else on=20 hit and so on (like 3, or 4 loops or maybe more if possible). I want = to do it=20 during live gigs so I need something easy to use if possible. Well = Hardware=20 talking I obviously prefer a pedal more than a rack/mini rack. In my = budget=20 level I think there are these 4 (I read the reviews on the web page) : = the=20 Akai Headrush, the Line6 (the green one), The Boss and The Boomerang. = I play=20 alone as I told you so something in which I can connect more than an=20 Instrument (like guitar + voice=3D could be interesting.
1- What's = your=20 advices , please write me down your favourite order (if you have one) = because=20 since I live in Italy, maybe your absolute favourite is impossible to = find=20 here.
2- Can you suggest even a software application to do that = sort of=20 thing, (maybe the hrdware is better , but just to know), I think = Ableton Live=20 is supposed to do this sort of things.
3- Does anybody knows what = Joseph=20 Arthur (one of my favourite songwriter) use for his fantastics loops=20 ?
Thanks a lot in advance , I'm proud to be one of the new of the=20 community.
Bye,=20 Matteo
------=_NextPart_000_00B3_01C29DE1.24341270-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 12:26:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03167; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:21:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:21:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:23:20 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: frisell and guitar necks To: Mark Hamburg , "Looper's Delight" Message-id: <008001c2a203$3cad7f00$1912be18@Douglas> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quick thoughts: a set of strings exerts about 100-120 pounds of tension on a neck - largely parallel to the neck, to be sure, but that's a lot of poundage. Adding a little wobble to the pitch with your hand on the neck is like changing string gauge for a second - an additional shift of maybe 10 or 15 pounds. It's also like pulling up on a tremolo bar. Not a huge difference. Also, I've noticed that my own guitars and basses tend to drop/rise as much as 25 cents when a major change in humidity occurs. Also, I've done guitar repairs for many years and I've never seen a single instrument with damage from this technique. Also, I've been doing it to my own guitars for almost thirty years, including the occasional Belew-inspired pull-back, causing the strings to "fret out" and squeal, with no apparent damage. Also, just moving a guitar from horizontal/table position to vertical/playing position can generate a pitch shift of 5 cents or so. So my belief system embraces the guitar neck as a flexible item. Mild neck wrenching probably should'nt critical. But I am, after all, The Coyote. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net > Lorenzo German recommended that technique to me when I was contemplating > whether or not to get the piezo pickups for my Klein and therefore lose the > tremolo. I didn't ask him what it did to the longevity of the guitar. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 12:41:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04565; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:39:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:39:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.169.84.124] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fripp'n' tones etc. Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:35:56 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2002 17:35:56.0447 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED4ADAF0:01C2A204] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have not tried a mackie yet with my stuff but I like the Rane 6 ch mixer/splitter as it is only one rack space & pretty clean too. But again I really want to upgrade over to that 8 channel one & route my pcm80 in the aux send/returns. I see a lot of the NYC Laptop/DJ kids using those Eurodesks, but the faders seemed a little weak to me. Low prices though. Cheers Lou >From: Louie Angulo >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: fripp'n' tones etc. >Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:51:30 -0800 (PST) > > >Great tip! never used a mixer but since i began >looping i think is a must. >Rane uh? i am going to check them out i was actually >thinking of getting a little 1202VL Mackie.How is >their quality? >thanks bro >L.a > > Ciao Louie, > > > > I run the output of my PSA-1 Preamp at -10/Instrumet > > level into my EDP. > > Running line level was "to hot to handle" My set is > > like this right know & > > seems OK . > > > > > > Chapman Stick> "stomp" boxes> Tech21 PSA amp (2 > > outputs to loopers)> > > > > out1- EDP> Rane Mixer > > out2- Digitech 8 sec DDL>Lexicon Vortex>> Rane Mixer > > > > Mixer Stereo out > Lexicon PCM 80 > > > > > > I really want to switch over to that 8 channel Rane > > so I can put the pcm80 > > in the aux send/return > > > > Cheers > > Lou _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 12:50:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05390; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:49:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:49:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-14.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1039715326!50123 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA2B@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: guitar necks Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:42:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2A205.DC439CF0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A205.DC439CF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Also, I've been doing it to my own guitars for almost thirty years, including the occasional Belew-inspired pull-back, causing the strings to "fret out" and squeal, with no apparent damage. Also, just moving a guitar from horizontal/table position to vertical/playing position can generate a pitch shift of 5 cents or so. So my belief system embraces the guitar neck as a flexible item. Mild neck wrenching probably should'nt critical....<< anyone remember levitation or dark star? bic (the guitarist, now working with pet shop boys) used a jam man and occasionally an edp, as did the bassist lawrence. the latter used a musicman stingray and managed an effect which, before I'd seen him do it, had me convinced he'd fitted a kramer whammy bridge to the thing. he could bend down a whole semitone just by pushing the headstock forwards while bracing the upper bout of the body. no damage in evidence, though I noticed he kept a spare close by.... I can do the same thing (just) on my rickenbackers, but it makes me nervous. I too have noticed a tuning and action change between sitting with the guitar or bass at an angle, and standing with it perpendicular to the ground. I attributed this to the weight of the strings which, on a bass at least, is not inconsiderable. it's surprising how many guitarists and bassists are terrified of doing anything to the truss rods in their instruments. adjusting them a quarter turn at a time and giving the instrument time to settle down again is, or should be, a significant part of the operation of setting a guitar up, and it really ought to be looked at whenever the strings are changed. certainly with a change of gauge. ricks have two, so that the amount of relief (the neck should exhibit either no bend under tension or a slight bow away from the strings) can be separately adjusted for the thick strings and the thin ones. fender have arsed about and moved the adjustment from one end of the neck to the other a couple of times, making it difficult to adjust on some instruments without removing the neck first....... duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A205.DC439CF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] RE: guitar necks

>>Also, I've been doing it to my
own guitars for almost thirty years, including the occas= ional Belew-inspired
pull-back, causing the strings to "fret out" a= nd squeal, with no apparent
damage. Also, just moving a guitar from horizontal/table= position to
vertical/playing position can generate a pitch shift of = 5 cents or so. So my
belief system embraces the guitar neck as a flexible ite= m. Mild neck
wrenching probably should'nt critical....<<<= /FONT>

anyone remember levitation or dark star? bic (the guitari= st, now working with pet shop boys) used a jam man and occasionally an edp,= as did the bassist lawrence. the latter used a musicman stingray and manag= ed an effect which, before I'd seen him do it, had me convinced he'd fitted= a kramer whammy bridge to the thing. he could bend down a whole semitone j= ust by pushing the headstock forwards while bracing the upper bout of the b= ody. no damage in evidence, though I noticed he kept a spare close by....

I can do the same thing (just) on my rickenbackers, but i= t makes me nervous.
I too have noticed a tuning and action change between si= tting with the guitar or bass at an angle, and standing with it perpendicul= ar to the ground. I attributed this to the weight of the strings which, on = a bass at least, is not inconsiderable.

it's surprising how many guitarists and bassists are terr= ified of doing anything to the truss rods in their instruments. adjusting t= hem a quarter turn at a time and giving the instrument time to settle down = again is, or should be, a significant part of the operation of setting a gu= itar up, and it really ought to be looked at whenever the strings are chang= ed. certainly with a change of gauge. ricks have two, so that the amount of= relief (the neck should exhibit either no bend under tension or a slight b= ow away from the strings) can be separately adjusted for the thick strings = and the thin ones. fender have arsed about and moved the adjustment from on= e end of the neck to the other a couple of times, making it difficult to ad= just on some instruments without removing the neck first.......

duncan/r.m.i.

>>So, is this mixing desk a submixer in your own se= tup,
or do you control an onstage mix of all three
R.M.I.ists through it?<<

bit of both, tim. the rig will be different everytime, de= pending how much room we will have and how far we have to move the stuff to= get to where the gig is at. so the sets we just did in the US, I took very= little gear (emu audity and alesis s4 for all the electronic sounds, inc o= wn mellotron samples on the s4 ram card- we had bad luck w/ syquest drives = in our emu samplers so I blew them out).

there was a repeater, a jam man, the doepfer maq sequence= r, the notron sequencer, an alesis mmt8, two evolution controller keyboards= with these little white led's on goosenecks and each with a doepfer pocket= controller mounted. all the 9V and 5V stuff was powered down the midi cabl= es from a single switch-mode psu (I know, but it works...).

and a guitar and a bass, and then the fender VI I bought = in philadelphia.

gary has a "power train" pedal board, with a br= iefcase and psu. he sits all his favourite pedals in this thing and the psu= runs them all (ac, dc, whatever) without even getting warm. (we had to get= an upconverter from a rat shack in LA). it has a setting so that you can r= un a fuzzbox off reduced volts for extra crunch. it runs the line6 and the = jam man without problems. I looked inside it- it's a regular transformer wi= th a selection of regulators; just brick-outhouse engineering, really, noth= ing clever.

the mixer was going to be a soundcraft folio but there we= re psu issues (they wanted $80 for a 110V version) and then it was going to= be our old boss bx16 but that was too shit. so we used a roland vm3100. me= mories, built-in effects, digtal output. if only it had more analogue ins..= ... 12 isn't enough.

normally, gary has his own rig, inc jam man and dl4, thro= ugh a guitar amp, and I'll either mic this up or take a line out from the d= l4 or the jam man as a sniff into the main desk. that way, I can grab bits = of what he's doing and mess with them, or he can discreetly request that I = take a copy of the phrase running in the jam man so he can ditch it and sta= rt again or so we can do a tempo change.

for the philadelphia gig and radio show, however, we borr= owed an H&K guitar amp simulator and ran it straight into the vm3100 (w= hich has one high-z input, btw). this was deeply unsatisfactory for gary wh= o needs a bit of separation to hear himself properly, but it sounded ok.

we've always done this "mix everything to two-track&= quot; thing and seldom use m/track unless there's bass and drums involved a= swell. all the albums to date are two-track masters, with maybe a few overd= ubs where gary couldn't be at the same session. and it's only recently that= steve and I have stopped swapping places on stage- we used to share the ke= yboards and move around, but it bothered people for some reason.

as for "controlling the mix"- it's a self-regul= ating democracy, our band! the faders tend to stay in a straight line and w= e use midi volume controls for the sequencer and keyboard parts.

the evolutions are modified so that a volume pedal can be= plugged straight in the back, and the onboard volume control then adjusts = the upper limit of the pedal, returning to it's normal function when the pe= dal is unplugged. why oh why aren't they like this when you buy them? god k= nows it's simple enough......

duncan/r.m.i.

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MTV Networks Europe ***************************************************************************= ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A20A.B3800740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 13:33:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08958; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:19:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:19:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021212181853.19673.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:18:53 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: fripp'n' tones etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20021212094607.14255.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Louie Angulo wrote: > This may be the most boring question but how do i know > if my gear is line level or instrument or both like > the EDP for that matter? Well, the only way I know of to know for sure is to look at the manual. The general rule of thumb when you don't know better is that -most- floor boxes are set up for instrument level signals (and usually high impedence instruments), and -most- rack mount gear is set up for line level signals (usually low impedence). Generally, if you run the wrong level signal into something it will either overload and distort (signal too hot), or produce too much noise (signal too low). If you need to mix and match, there are devices designed to convert the levels for you, but that's another additional expense. The only reason I knew the EDP would do either was because Kim had posted about it here awhile back (I don't have one myself). > If you can refer me to an educational link on this > topic i would apreciate it I don't know of one, perhaps someone else will. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 13:45:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11003; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:42:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:42:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <1c6.2fac25b.2b2a3245@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:41:09 EST Subject: New AKASH song-video To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1c6.2fac25b.2b2a3245_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 8.0 for Windows US sub 232 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1c6.2fac25b.2b2a3245_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Happy Holidays...just back from a lonnnnnnggg vacation, but we are back with= =20 new treats & fun stuff for the Holiday Season. *Philly's - Darkly Drawn & Experimental - Sexbomb - AKASH - ( a PH.P RECORDS Band ) features members who have played with God Lives Underwater, Josh Wink, Dee-Lite, James Blood Ulmer, King Britt, The Brand New Heavies, GONG, Bill Laswell, Cecil Taylor & Temple of Bon Matin ( BULB RECORDS ) We have just uploaded a New AKASH Video ( Real Player Format Only ) for our song "Young Lovers Parade" off of our forthcoming CD: JOYRIDE VOLUME ONE. Please Ck out the ( LO REZ ) video @ AKASH's Newsgroup on=20 Yahoo:=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20 http://groups.= yahoo.com/group/akashmusicnewsgroup The video for "Young Lovers Parade", is a stylized/black & white=20 performacne-art piece which mimics the early silent movies of the 1920's wit= h=20 a soundtrack of AKASH playing our most Jazz leaning music ever. & as usual, Elizabeth is featured prominently in this AKASH video. Seeya on tour in your hometown next year.=20 & once again, many, many, many thanks to everyone out there round the world=20 for all of your support for AKASH over the years :) Warmest Regards & Happy Holidays, "AKASH" "The World's Most Erotic Band"=A0=20 http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic http://groups.= yahoo.com/group/akashmusicnewsgroup "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" --part1_1c6.2fac25b.2b2a3245_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Happy Holidays...just back from a lonnnnnnggg vacation= , but we are back with new treats & fun stuff for the Holiday Season.
*Philly's - Darkly Drawn & Experimental - Sexbomb - AKASH - ( a PH.P
RECORDS Band ) features members who have played with God Lives
Underwater, Josh Wink, Dee-Lite, James Blood Ulmer, King Britt, The
Brand New Heavies, GONG, Bill Laswell, Cecil Taylor & Temple of Bon
Matin ( BULB RECORDS )

We have just uploaded a New AKASH Video ( Real Player Format Only )
for our song "Young Lovers Parade" off of our forthcoming CD: JOYRIDE
VOLUME ONE.

Please Ck out the ( LO REZ ) video @ AKASH's Newsgroup on Yahoo:=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
http://groups.= yahoo.com/group/akashmusicnewsgroup

The video for "Young Lovers Parade", is a stylized/black & white perform= acne-art piece which mimics the early silent movies of the 1920's with a sou= ndtrack of AKASH playing our most Jazz leaning music
ever.

& as usual, Elizabeth is featured prominently in this AKASH video.

Seeya on tour in your hometown next year.

& once again, many, many, many thanks to everyone out there round the wo= rld for all of your support for AKASH over the years :)

Warmest Regards & Happy Holidays,
"AKASH"
"The World's Most Erotic Band"=A0
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic<= BR> http://groups.= yahoo.com/group/akashmusicnewsgroup
"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"

--part1_1c6.2fac25b.2b2a3245_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 13:59:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12295; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:55:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:55:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021212185549.39619.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:55:49 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Robert Fripp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20021211053651.87199.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3zwhRD.A.BAD.2uN-9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > <<>>does anyone know what signal chain Robert > Fripp uses to get that tone? I've always liked > that. It sounds like a fuzz box to me, maybe > with an octave.<< > > I think it's just shit-loads of gain, though you > never hear any buzz or hiss.... > also, mr fripp uses his tone controls very > carefully- it's quite a mellow sound > Well, at least in the early 70's, Fripp used just > a volume pedal, wah wah, and fuzztone, with, I > think, a tape delay of some kind (for regular > echo effects). Fripp did an interview in Guitar > Player back in 73 or 74 (Earthbound is mentioned, > and so if Bruford, so it had to be about that > time frame), and he said he wasn't even sure what > brand wah wah or distortion pedal he was using at > that point, and added "I've been able to get my > sound regardless of what fuzztone I'm using" or > something like that. > > At least the way it appears on records like > Earthbound, I think it's the fuzztone, combined > with the careful use of the wah wah and the tone > controls on the guitar. I remember reading where > Steve Stevens (when he was still playing in Billy > Idol's band) said that he used "an old Robert > Fripp" trick, which revolved around using the > neck pickup and backing off on the tone control. > I think he said that he prefered to use a Rat > pedal, whereas Fripp used a Big Muff (not sure > about the early 70's, but I know I read in other > articles where Fripp mentioned using a Big Muff, > and also that he used to use a Burns Buzzaround > as well, in later articles and one of the boffins > working for him build a switching unit that > allowed him to switch between any distortion > pedal he wanted). I was playing around a little last night and got sort of the character of the sound I was thinking about using a BigMuff into a distorted British amp sim on my DG Stomp, with the tone control on the guitar partly rolled off. I was using a Strat-style guitar with Joe Barden pickups, if that matters (I don't really think so, since the Big Muff tends to homogenize whatever you feed it). I certainly don't sound like Robert Fripp when I play, but the tone at least had enough of the character I was listening for that I recognized it. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 14:07:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14817; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:06:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:06:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: EDP weirdness Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:06:45 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001801c2a211$9d416e90$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <000d01c29e1f$bf2e1bc0$69894682@lance> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Yeah, what's up with the reboot thing. also sometimes when > I'm powering up for the first time i need to turn the on > switch on and off over and over again for a loooong time. > however, once it's rolling for a while, it doesn't reboot or > any thing. > > lance I had exactly this problem when I bought my new EDP one year ago. Then when upgrading to LoopIV I got some new parts (think they were called "crystals") to replace some parts that were "bad on delivery". It might be that you got one of these EDPs with bad parts ("crystals"?). The fix is an easy one and I think there are people on this list that can advice you better on this matter :-) Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 16:48:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28905; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:47:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:47:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DF90504.5E434F48@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:52:03 -0600 From: Kirby Shelstad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: New Topic - Making the Best MP3s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How to make the best MP3s? (or MP4s) Here's something I'd like to know more about. I'm way behind on creating these for my own site and would love to hear what the latest thoughts on this are. Also, are there some sites that are good resources on this topic. Thanks Kirby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 17:04:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29524; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:57:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:57:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c29e3e$01f29030$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <001801c2a211$9d416e90$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Subject: Re: EDP weirdness Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:14:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hmmmmm, it seems like i'm starting to remember a thread having to do with "crystals" or something. I just got loop IV in the mail but haven't installed the chips yet. you mean there was another part that came with your eprom set? lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 1:06 PM Subject: SV: EDP weirdness > > Yeah, what's up with the reboot thing. also sometimes when > > I'm powering up for the first time i need to turn the on > > switch on and off over and over again for a loooong time. > > however, once it's rolling for a while, it doesn't reboot or > > any thing. > > > > lance > > I had exactly this problem when I bought my new EDP one year ago. Then > when upgrading to LoopIV I got some new parts (think they were called > "crystals") to replace some parts that were "bad on delivery". It might > be that you got one of these EDPs with bad parts ("crystals"?). The fix > is an easy one and I think there are people on this list that can advice > you better on this matter :-) > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > ________________ > www.boysen.se > www.fuzz.se > www.upsweden.com www.chanceinformation.info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 17:44:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01137; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:39:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:39:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021212173858.00afdb18@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:45:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: frisell's neck Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, i guess i did not describe accurately: what i could swear i saw was bill f.'s hands on the machines, gently tweaking them, not the "neck rolf" as described by many weighers-in... but hell! if i'm wrong, isn't that what endorsement deals are for? hook me up, a:c At 01:01 PM 12/12/2002 -0500, Douglas Baldwin (among many others) wrote: >Quick thoughts: a set of strings exerts about 100-120 pounds of tension on a >neck - largely parallel to the neck, to be sure, but that's a lot of >poundage. Adding a little wobble to the pitch with your hand on the neck is >like changing string gauge for a second - an additional shift of maybe 10 or >15 pounds. It's also like pulling up on a tremolo bar. Not a huge >difference. Also, I've noticed that my own guitars and basses tend to >drop/rise as much as 25 cents when a major change in humidity occurs. Also, >I've done guitar repairs for many years and I've never seen a single >instrument with damage from this technique. Also, I've been doing it to my >own guitars for almost thirty years, including the occasional Belew-inspired >pull-back, causing the strings to "fret out" and squeal, with no apparent >damage. Also, just moving a guitar from horizontal/table position to >vertical/playing position can generate a pitch shift of 5 cents or so. So my >belief system embraces the guitar neck as a flexible item. Mild neck >wrenching probably should'nt critical. But I am, after all, The Coyote. >Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large >coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 18:03:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02847; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:58:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:58:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.130.89.69] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: frisell's neck Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:57:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2002 22:57:46.0672 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3155B00:01C2A231] Resent-Message-ID: <2UGF1B.A.Zs.JSR-9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FYI, some quotes directly from the man about this http://archive.guitarplayer.com/archive/artists/improv.shtml "I'll play one note, and while the delay expends that note, I can bend it around and get this kind of manual chorusing." http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Delta/2495/gp485_bf.htm Frisell began putting together the ingredients of his trademark airborne guitar sound in the mid '70s, and he often used his ingenuity to explore hidden ranges of timbral colors that are available with limited equipment resources. About 1975, he swapped his ES- 175 for a sad-looking, late-60s Gibson SG that served him well for several years, despite his penchant for tugging on the neck: "That neck is real flexible. There's hardly anything holding it to the body, so I bend it a lot. I'm still waiting for it to come off in my hands. It goes out of tune; if I play a chord, maybe a certain note will go out. By moving the neck a bit, I can bring different notes in and out of tune. I like that.' Combined with a delay unit, this hands-on technique can result in some disarming, woozy frequency sweeps. "I use a long echo on the delay," Bill explains, "and by bending the neck, it's like a manual chorus. When the machine is playing in the same time as the note you're fooling with, they rub against each other.' >From: "anti:clockwise" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: frisell's neck >Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:45:04 -0500 > > > >well, i guess i did not describe accurately: >what i could swear i saw was bill f.'s hands on the machines, gently >tweaking them, >not the "neck rolf" as described by many weighers-in... > >but hell! if i'm wrong, isn't that what endorsement deals are for? > >hook me up, >a:c > > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 18:12:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04771; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:11:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:11:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: Subject: FW: EDP weirdness Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:14:31 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <4KaKYD.A.dKB.QeR-9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had the same problem a few months ago and had some of the chips get cleaned and it helped but now it's doing the weirdness again with it shuting off and rebooting. Who knows about this crystal thing? Also any ideas on the static noise when in record mode???? -Arthur Lee www.arthurleemusic.com -----Original Message----- From: Lance Chance [mailto:lrc8918@louisiana.edu] Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 4:14 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP weirdness hmmmmm, it seems like i'm starting to remember a thread having to do with "crystals" or something. I just got loop IV in the mail but haven't installed the chips yet. you mean there was another part that came with your eprom set? lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 1:06 PM Subject: SV: EDP weirdness > > Yeah, what's up with the reboot thing. also sometimes when > > I'm powering up for the first time i need to turn the on > > switch on and off over and over again for a loooong time. > > however, once it's rolling for a while, it doesn't reboot or > > any thing. > > > > lance > > I had exactly this problem when I bought my new EDP one year ago. Then > when upgrading to LoopIV I got some new parts (think they were called > "crystals") to replace some parts that were "bad on delivery". It might > be that you got one of these EDPs with bad parts ("crystals"?). The fix > is an easy one and I think there are people on this list that can advice > you better on this matter :-) > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > ________________ > www.boysen.se > www.fuzz.se > www.upsweden.com www.chanceinformation.info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 19:11:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10114; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:03:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:03:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:01:21 -0800 Subject: Re: frisell's neck From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com he also mentions this in his great video, i'm thinkin... or i could be wrong and i'll eat a bug s > > FYI, some quotes directly from the man about this > > > http://archive.guitarplayer.com/archive/artists/improv.shtml > > "I'll play one note, and while the delay expends that note, I can bend it > around and get this kind of manual chorusing." > > > > http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Delta/2495/gp485_bf.htm > > Frisell began putting together the ingredients of his trademark airborne > guitar sound in the mid '70s, and he often used his ingenuity to explore > hidden ranges of timbral colors that are available with limited equipment > resources. About 1975, he swapped his ES- 175 for a sad-looking, late-60s > Gibson SG that served him well for several years, despite his penchant for > tugging on the neck: "That neck is real flexible. There's hardly anything > holding it to the body, so I bend it a lot. I'm still waiting for it to come > off in my hands. It goes out of tune; if I play a chord, maybe a certain > note will go out. By moving the neck a bit, I can bring different notes in > and out of tune. I like that.' Combined with a delay unit, this hands-on > technique can result in some disarming, woozy frequency sweeps. "I use a > long echo on the delay," Bill explains, "and by bending the neck, it's like > a manual chorus. When the machine is playing in the same time as the note > you're fooling with, they rub against each other.' > > >> From: "anti:clockwise" >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: frisell's neck >> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:45:04 -0500 >> >> >> >> well, i guess i did not describe accurately: >> what i could swear i saw was bill f.'s hands on the machines, gently >> tweaking them, >> not the "neck rolf" as described by many weighers-in... >> >> but hell! if i'm wrong, isn't that what endorsement deals are for? >> >> hook me up, >> a:c >> >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 20:27:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17250; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:26:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:26:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:29:33 -0500 Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: where is the looper in this picture? From: Dan Soltzberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021212161027.29056.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3122569773_2748469_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3122569773_2748469_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I too like to run each of my loopers into a separate channel on a tabletop mixer. Then I can fuck with the EQ's and add and subtract effects and do all kinds of dubby stuff. It's fun to put the bass on a stand and just sit there playing the mixer and delays, etc. The last gig I did, I didn't even bring amps-- just ran my bass through all my processors and loopers, into the little Behringer mixer, and straight out to the PA. Much easier on my back than hauling bass cabs and 2 heads. I had the experience once of playing with a guy who grabbed some of what I was playing with a Repeater, and it was the weirdest thing-- I'd mute one of my loops, and it would still be playing via his setup, or he would change the sound of it while I was still playing along-- it was really cool-- kind of melded us all together into this big sound-producing organism. dan -- ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com d.ans@verizon.net 617-470-2087 on 12/12/02 11:10 AM, Tim Nelson at psychle62@yahoo.com wrote: So, is this mixing desk a submixer in your own setup, or do you control an onstage mix of all three R.M.I.ists through it? There're probably enough of us using mixers in our individual rigs to warrant another survey thread: How many of us are using multiple mixers?! I use a similar setup in which each of my loopers returns to its own channel strip. When loops are going on more than one of them, I can 'play' the faders. I usually try to keep a channel open when playing with another musician and either sneak a line out of their rig or stick a mic in the back of their amp, preferably without their knowledge. My favorite response was when a guitarist I was playing with exclaimed "That loop you were doing went PERFECTLY with what I was playing!" and I had to confess that the loop I was doing WAS what he was playing! Shortly after that, his pedalboard was sporting a DL4 and a Headrush... -t- --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > I use the looper (or "freezer box" in r.m.i. > language) as en effect on a mixing desk. it's > returned up a regular channel strip ... > ... pretty much anything that > appears at the desk can be grabbed into the looper > and messed with, so sometimes gary will turn his > jam-man down and the guitar will carry on looping > because I've had a sneaky sniff of it going into the > repeater without him knowing. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --MS_Mac_OE_3122569773_2748469_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [looper's] RE: where is the looper in this picture? I too like to run each of my loopers into a separate channel on a tabletop = mixer. Then I can fuck with the EQ's and add and subtract effects and do all= kinds of dubby stuff. It's fun to put the bass on a stand and just sit ther= e playing the mixer and delays, etc.

The last gig I did, I didn't even bring amps-- just ran my bass through all= my processors and loopers, into the little Behringer mixer, and straight ou= t to the PA. Much easier on my back than hauling bass cabs and 2 heads.

I had the experience once of playing with a guy who grabbed some of what I = was playing with a Repeater, and it was the weirdest thing-- I'd mute one of= my loops, and it would still be playing via his setup, or he would change t= he sound of it while I was still playing along-- it was really cool-- kind o= f melded us all together into this big sound-producing organism.

dan

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on 12/12/02 11:10 AM, Tim Nelson at psychle62@yahoo.com wrote:

So, is this mixing desk a submixer in your own setup,
or do you control an onstage mix of all three
R.M.I.ists through it?

There're probably enough of us using mixers in our
individual rigs to warrant another survey thread: How
many of us are using multiple mixers?!

I use a similar setup in which each of my loopers
returns to its own channel strip. When loops are going
on more than one of them, I can 'play' the faders. I
usually try to keep a channel open when playing with
another musician and either sneak a line out of their
rig or stick a mic in the back of their amp,
preferably without their knowledge. My favorite
response was when a guitarist I was playing with
exclaimed "That loop you were doing went PERFECTLY
with what I was playing!" and I had to confess that
the loop I was doing WAS what he was playing! Shortly
after that, his pedalboard was sporting a DL4 and a
Headrush...

-t-

--- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote:
> I use the looper (or "freezer box" in r.m.i.
> language) as en effect on a mixing desk. it's
> returned up a regular channel strip ...

> ... pretty much anything that
> appears at the desk can be grabbed into the looper
> and messed with, so sometimes gary will turn his
> jam-man down and the guitar will carry on looping
> because I've had a sneaky sniff of it going into the
> repeater without him knowing.

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--MS_Mac_OE_3122569773_2748469_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 20:50:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18746; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:49:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:49:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.104.22.70] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: event: Sound/Shift Oakland (California) Jan 10/11 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:47:18 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2002 01:47:18.0589 (UTC) FILETIME=[9204B6D0:01C2A249] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Advance notice! Sound/Shift Oakland Friday, January 10, 6:00 pm - 12:00 pm Saturday, January 11th, 12:00 noon - 11:00 pm 21 Grand 449B 23rd Street Oakland, CA 94612 510-444-7263 $10 for 1 day / $15 for both days Sound/Shift Oakland gathers over 65 improvising musicians from the Bay Area and beyond to collaborate in a two day event. The participants are placed in groups ranging from 2 to 8 musicians, and each group overlaps with the previous and the next. The musicians come from a wide range of backgrounds (free-jazz, 20th century composition, electronic, ambient, experimental noise, etc) and play a variety of instruments ranging from standard jazz fare to laptop computers to roofing nails and dry ice. The lineup of musicians onstage will change every 20 minutes (on average), allowing for a large number of musical combinations. Based on the Baltimore event of the same name created by John Berndt for July 2002, this event is organized by Matt Davignon. Please write to mattdavignon@hotmail.com or phone 510-268-8213 with any questions. This is a benefit for the 21 Grand arts space. A complete schedule will be posted at or near: http://www.paxrecordings.com/soundshiftoakland.html Participating Musicians: Armageddon String Ensemble - Violin / Viola / Cello / Processing (5 or 6 musicians) Glenn Bach - Laptop / FX / CD Player Tom Bickley - Recorders / Voice / Electronics Big City Orchestra - (das - Roofing Nails + ?; Rob - Throbbing Boxes; Ninah - Keyboards; Mark - Loop Guitar) Bob Boster - Electronics / CD Player / Misused Found Objects Brassiosaurus - (Tom Djll, Ron Heglin & Toyoji Tomita - Trumpets/Trombones/Tuba) Chris Broderick - Clarinet / Alto Sax / Flute / Melodica / Suona Jessica Catron - Cello CMAU (Mark Bartscher - Toy Piano/Cymbals/Motors/Electronics; Kendra Juul - Dry Ice/Electronics; Doug Michael - Walker Soundboard/Electronics; Sudhu Tewari - Modified Stereo Receiver/Springs) Chris Cory - Alto + Bari Sax / Wind Controller / Radio Andre Custodio - Synth Darph/Nader - (Cory Thrall & Jared Butler - Guitars / Keyboards / Small Percussion / Vocal Noise / Other) Matt Davignon - Turntable / Casio Sk-1 / Found Objects Ernesto Diaz-Infante - Acoustic Guitar Thomas Dimuzio - Sampler Jeremy Drake - Amplified Acoustic Guitar Dina Emerson - Voice / Jaw Harp / Wine Glasses / Bottle Blowing Marcos Fernandes - Percussion / Electronics Hans Fjellestad - Synth Eric Franklin - Photo-Theremin Lance Grabmiller - Laptop / Electronics Emily Hay - Flute / Vocals Andrew Hayleck - Guitar Invention / Electronics / Cymbal Anne Hege - Voice Scott Hill - Soprano Sax / Clarinet Jeff Hobbs - Violin / Horns / Bass David Kendall - Bass Guitar / Amp Eric Kuehnl - Laptop Cheryl Leonard - Viola / Found Objects Jacob Lindsay - Clarinet / Bass Clarinet Scott Looney - Laptop Bob Marsh - Accordion / Cello / Dan Mo / Flute / Vibraphone / etc Thollem McDonas - Electric Piano Peter Nyboer - Laptop Len Paterson - Laptop Dan Plonsey - Saxes / Clarinets / Oboe Gino Robair - Suitcase Contents Rent Romus - Reeds / Toys / Things Josie Roth - Processed Viola / Vocals LX Rudis - Synth / CD DJ Rig Stephen Ruiz - CD Field Recordings / Tapes / Acoustic Guitar / Effects Skincage - (Jon Ray - Found Objects / Circuit-Bent Instruments / Live Sampling) SKIZMZ - (Bill Leikam, David Leikam, Craig Latta & Eric Shulman - Various Instruments) David Slusser - Woodwinds / Oud / Electronics Moe! Staiano - Percussion Ezekiel Talbot - Guitar / Laptop / Voice / Toys / Found Objects Ron Thompson - 6, 7, 8 String Guitars Max Valentino - Bass Guitar / Loops Ven Voisey - Stuff Jon Wagner - Percussion Ian Yeager - Guitar Yellow Chair Ensemble (Alan Leschuza - Woodwinds; Derek Keller - Guitar; Nina Eidsheim - Vocals/Electronics; Gustavo Aguilar & Don Nichols - Drums / Percussion) Joseph Zitt - Voice _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 21:25:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22178; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:21:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:21:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DF94425.2020603@quik.com> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:21:25 -0800 From: dgoat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: frisell's neck and PDX loop fest update. References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021212173858.00afdb18@mail.pdfsystems.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021212173858.00afdb18@mail.pdfsystems.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anti:clockwise wrote: > > > well, i guess i did not describe accurately: > what i could swear i saw was bill f.'s hands on the machines, gently > tweaking them, > not the "neck rolf" as described by many weighers-in... > I've seen Frisell play many times, and the tweaking of the tuning machines is to (suprise, suprise) tune the strings. The "neck-bending" technique really doesn't do much to the neck, but it DOES cause your fingers to mildly bend the strings in a way that sounds like a very slow vibrato. I use this technique on my prs archtop and it works great. I also use it on my tremelo-equipped parkers, which tends to result in a much wider vibrato, and sometimes I also grab the trem arm at the same time to get yet another type of vibrato. YMMV. On to the loopfest. The date is looking like Jan. 12 at the Jasmine Tree, in downtown Portland. The moment I get a firm date, I'll be getting in touch with all the generous folks who have expressed intrest. Thanks all for your patience. D.G. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 21:49:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23489; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:45:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:45:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:45:50 -0500 Subject: Robert Fripp & Big Muff From: kenn lowy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200212122244.RAA01533@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3122574353_10238793" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3122574353_10238793 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Robert Fripp has gone on record several times stating that he has never used a Big Muff. Klowy (aka wrinklemuzik) --B_3122574353_10238793 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Robert Fripp & Big Muff Robert Fripp has gone on record several times stating = that he has never used a Big Muff.

Klowy (aka wrinklemuzik) --B_3122574353_10238793-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 22:40:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28455; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:39:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:39:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DF8E6AF.3829@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:42:40 +0000 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: echopl/repeater..for Sale References: <002a01c2a155$95bed980$170d06d5@pc1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com franz-loop wrote: 2. who has an electrix-�repeater to sell or knows where i can get > one... I'll be selling my Repeater along with the 128 mb Simple Tech card and the footpedal for 650.00 OBO e-mail me off list Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 22:44:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28895; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:44:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:44:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1a7.d913c84.2b2ab151@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:43:13 EST Subject: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a7.d913c84.2b2ab151_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1a7.d913c84.2b2ab151_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/12/02 11:53:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, laab2000us@yahoo.com writes: > i was actually > thinking of getting a little 1202VL Mackie i think they sound great.....BUT.....after a few months i realized that i needed more.....if you can get a bigger unit go for it, next to "random play" on a cd machine, effect sends and returns are the greatest invention since sliced bread.....perhaps a larger "beringher" mixer, any thoughts on that?......and all this talk about the best loopers, my advice, collect all the loopers you can, the more the loopier.....as for frisell, i heard my first on "ghost town" a few months ago and was totally blown away, this past weekend i was turned onto "this land" ouch!, its very cool to have a "hero" when you're my age.....his tone, his playing, his orkestration and most importantly, his composition, WOW.....michael --part1_1a7.d913c84.2b2ab151_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/12/02 11:53:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, laab2000us@yahoo.com writes:

i was actually
thinking of getting a little 1202VL Mackie

i think they sound great.....BUT.....after a few months i realized that i needed more.....if you can get a bigger unit go for it, next to "random play" on a cd machine, effect sends and returns are the greatest invention since sliced bread.....perhaps a larger "beringher" mixer, any thoughts on that?......and all this talk about the best loopers, my advice, collect all the loopers you can, the more the loopier.....as for frisell, i heard my first on "ghost town" a few months ago and was totally blown away, this past weekend i was turned onto "this land" ouch!, its very cool to have a "hero" when you're my age.....his tone, his playing, his orkestration and most importantly, his composition, WOW.....michael --part1_1a7.d913c84.2b2ab151_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 12 22:51:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29179; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:47:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:47:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <123.1b329ad0.2b2ab22e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:46:54 EST Subject: Re: frisell and guitar necks To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_123.1b329ad0.2b2ab22e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_123.1b329ad0.2b2ab22e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/12/02 12:22:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, coyotelk@optonline.net writes: > Quick thoughts thanks douglas!.....michael --part1_123.1b329ad0.2b2ab22e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/12/02 12:22:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, coyotelk@optonline.net writes:

Quick thoughts

thanks douglas!.....michael --part1_123.1b329ad0.2b2ab22e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 00:11:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04492; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 00:10:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 00:10:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005b01c2a265$cea658c0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: ":: 3/2, 7/4, 9/8..." , "Looper's Delight Mailing List" , "Ohmbient list" , , , Subject: microtonal gtr on MP3.com Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 00:09:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0058_01C2A23B.E517AF20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <2cJvLC.A.GGB.suW-9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C2A23B.E517AF20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley Around D All pitches around D, loops performed on a 63 tone Just Intonation = guitar.=20 >From a forthcoming CD of microtonal Just Intonation guitar music. = November 2002.=20 * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C2A23B.E517AF20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley<= /FONT>

Around D

All pitches around D, loops performed on a 63 tone Just Intonation = guitar.=20

From a forthcoming CD of microtonal Just Intonation guitar music. = November=20 2002.

* David Beardsley
* http://biink.com
* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley<= /FONT>

------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C2A23B.E517AF20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 01:22:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09177; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 01:18:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 01:18:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <128.1d87c00b.2b2ad5a0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 01:18:08 EST Subject: something about vampires and sluts (northeast tour) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_128.1d87c00b.2b2ad5a0_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 8.0 for Windows US sub 230 Resent-Message-ID: <34RilD.A.SPC.muX-9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_128.1d87c00b.2b2ad5a0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey! we're going out for little tour next week maybe we'll run into you? i'll be the guy with the edp.....lots of rock n roll loops. sunday december 15th philadephia,pa at silk city monday the 16th easthampton,ma at the flywheel tuesday the 17th ny,ny at cbgb (7pm show) wednesday the 18th baltimore,md at the sidebar thursday the 19th winston salem,nc at ps 211 friday the 20th charlotte,nc at the steeple please come if you can, brian something about vampires and sluts info mp3s etc at::::::: somethingaboutvampiresandsluts.com --part1_128.1d87c00b.2b2ad5a0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey!
we're going out for little tour next week maybe we'll run into you? i'll be the guy with the edp.....lots of rock n roll loops.

sunday december 15th philadephia,pa at silk city
monday the 16th easthampton,ma at the flywheel
tuesday the 17th ny,ny at cbgb (7pm show)
wednesday the 18th baltimore,md at the sidebar
thursday the 19th winston salem,nc at ps 211
friday the 20th charlotte,nc at the steeple

please come if you can,
brian
something about vampires and sluts

info mp3s etc at:::::::
somethingaboutvampiresandsluts.com
--part1_128.1d87c00b.2b2ad5a0_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 03:36:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18901; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:30:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:30:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021213002043.045b8008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 00:30:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: FW: EDP weirdness In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com most likely you just have some broken solder joints somewhere - basic wear and tear from moving gear around a lot. But the reality is, you can't possibly get a hardware problem evaluated and fixed by asking on a mailing list about it. At best you will get random speculation that is more likely to waste your time by being completely wrong, since nobody can know what the problem is without looking into the unit. You need a skilled technician who is familiar with the product to get in there with appropriate tools, figure out the problem, and fix it. In this case, that person would be Shane Radtke at Gibson. Give him a call and get his help. kim At 03:14 PM 12/12/2002, ARTHUR LEE MUSIC wrote: >I had the same problem a few months ago and had some of the chips get >cleaned and it helped but now it's doing the weirdness again with it shuting >off and rebooting. >Who knows about this crystal thing? > >Also any ideas on the static noise when in record mode???? ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 04:12:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA22238; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 04:07:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 04:07:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c2a286$f9b3c220$a31d7344@schererfamily> From: "Ted Scherer" To: Subject: In need of help Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:06:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C2A254.AEE4D4A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C2A254.AEE4D4A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi...I just subscribed to loopers and dont know exactly how this = works but ill give it a try. Anyways, i have been saving and buying and = saving and buying for 2 years now to get some really good equipment for = a guitar rack. I'm finally where i want to be, but the only problem is = wiring the thing. I'm a rookie at this and since this is such a complex = rig im sure ill learn more than enough after its all wired. Well' if = anyone could help me by drawing up a diagram or some kinda schematic it = would be great!!! So i'll list all my equipment for whoever can try and = help me out. Thanks, Ted! ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C2A254.AEE4D4A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= Hi...I just=20 subscribed to loopers and dont know exactly how this works but ill give = it a=20 try. Anyways, i have been saving and buying and saving and buying = for 2=20 years now to get some really good equipment for a guitar rack. I'm = finally=20 where i want to be, but the only problem is wiring the thing. = I'm a=20 rookie at this and since this is such a complex rig im sure ill learn = more than=20 enough after its all wired. Well' if anyone could help me by = drawing up a=20 diagram or some kinda schematic it would be great!!! So i'll list = all my=20 equipment for whoever can try and help me out. Thanks,=20 Ted!

------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C2A254.AEE4D4A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 04:29:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA23166; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 04:29:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 04:29:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021213092851.61697.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 01:28:51 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1a7.d913c84.2b2ab151@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks mike ill check out the behringers i supposed they�re cheaper as well... but better? L.a > > i think they sound great.....BUT.....after a few > months i realized that i > needed more.....if you can get a bigger unit go for > it, next to "random play" > on a cd machine, effect sends and returns are the > greatest invention since > sliced bread.....perhaps a larger "beringher" mixer, > any thoughts on > that?......and all this talk about the best loopers, > my advice, collect all > the loopers you can, the more the loopier.....as for > frisell, i heard my > first on "ghost town" a few months ago and was > totally blown away, this past > weekend i was turned onto "this land" ouch!, its > very cool to have a "hero" > when you're my age.....his tone, his playing, his > orkestration and most > importantly, his composition, WOW.....michael > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 11:13:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20217; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:07:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:07:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <161.1881e793.2b2b5fc2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:07:30 EST Subject: Re: In need of help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA20195 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Ted, In a message dated 12/13/02 1:08:15 AM, Ted82@charter.net writes: >Hi...I just subscribed to loopers and don't know exactly how this works >but ill give it a try. Anyways, i have been saving and buying and saving >and buying for 2 years now to get some really good equipment for a guitar >rack. I'm finally where i want to be, but the only problem is wiring the >thing. I'm a rookie at this and since this is such a complex rig im sure >ill learn more than enough after its all wired. Well' if anyone could >help me by drawing up a diagram or some kinda schematic it would >be great!!! So i'll list all my equipment for whoever can try and help me >out. Thanks, Ted! Gee, that seems weird for some reason. Not many other Teds on this list. Heck, other than my son and my father I hardly KNOW any other Teds. Well, enough of that for now. I play guitar, I use a rack system (have done so for over a dozen years now). A couple of years ago I expanded from 12 spaces to 16 spaces. Can't claim to be a total expert but I figure I have tried as many options as there are and have made all the mistakes there are to make on the way to getting MY tone (so far as that goes). I don't know if I can help but fire away whenever you're ready with that list. I bet a significant number of guitar geeks on the LD list will have all sorts of good ideas for you. Tell us what you've got. I suppose if your intended rack setup contains a looper of some sort somewhere in the signal chain it won't be considered too "off topic" for this list. Best, tEd � kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 11:15:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20744; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:14:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:14:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path:

i'll try and help. you can mail me list of = your gear and=20 i'll see what i can come up with. email privately, if you don't = mind (jimfowler@prodigy.net)

-jim

------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C2A2B0.03F5CF20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 15:05:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10212; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:05:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:05:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.121.72.67] From: "James Winger" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Rethinking the whole A/D thing Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:04:29 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2002 20:04:29.0835 (UTC) FILETIME=[D87FADB0:01C2A2E2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have you considered HDD recorders and swap trays? I'm not sure what is currently avail The Fostex D series had swap trays. I find swap trays to be an easy way to make very large amounts of data very easily portable. Anyone with any recorder specific thoughts? _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 15:09:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10479; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:07:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:07:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.121.72.67] From: "James Winger" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: In need of help Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:06:45 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2002 20:06:45.0531 (UTC) FILETIME=[29613EB0:01C2A2E3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sounds like Mr Fowler has you covered go ahead a post a list anyway that way we can get in hot-headed, mean-spirited arguments about it over the holidays From: "Ted Scherer" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Subject: In need of help Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:06:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from mc5-f40.law1.hotmail.com ([65.54.252.47]) by mc5-s3.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 13 Dec 2002 01:07:53 -0800 Received: from hemlock.violacea.com ([207.228.238.9]) by mc5-f40.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 13 Dec 2002 01:07:53 -0800 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA22237;Fri, 13 Dec 2002 04:07:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 04:07:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c2a286$f9b3c220$a31d7344@schererfamily> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Return-Path: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2002 09:07:53.0601 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E836F10:01C2A287] Hi...I just subscribed to loopers and dont know exactly how this works but ill give it a try. Anyways, i have been saving and buying and saving and buying for 2 years now to get some really good equipment for a guitar rack. I'm finally where i want to be, but the only problem is wiring the thing. I'm a rookie at this and since this is such a complex rig im sure ill learn more than enough after its all wired. Well' if anyone could help me by drawing up a diagram or some kinda schematic it would be great!!! So i'll list all my equipment for whoever can try and help me out. Thanks, Ted! _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 15:20:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11429; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:18:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:18:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:18:05 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: slightly OT: Piracy is Progressive Taxation, and Other Thoughts on the Evolution of Online Distribution To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <0ae801c2a2e4$bed5efd0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <4OS8oB.A.fyC._Bk-9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com here's an article by an author who has some interesting things to say about file sharing systems: http://www.openp2p.com/pub/a/p2p/2002/12/11/piracy.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 17:14:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21701; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:12:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:12:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021213221215.53446.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:12:15 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: In need of help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Ted Scherer" wrote: > Hi...I just subscribed to loopers and dont know exactly how this > works but ill give it a try. Anyways, i have been saving and buying and > saving and buying for 2 years now to get some really good equipment for a > guitar rack. I'm finally where i want to be, but the only problem is wiring > the thing. I'm a rookie at this and since this is such a complex rig im > sure ill learn more than enough after its all wired. Well' if anyone could > help me by drawing up a diagram or some kinda schematic it would be great!!! > So i'll list all my equipment for whoever can try and help me out. > Thanks, Ted! I'm sure Jim will give you good advice offline, but if you post a list of your gear you'll probably get several different ideas. I did that awhile back and got enough different opinions to throughly confuse me, so I went back and did what I should have done to start with...experimented, to figure out what -I- liked. BUT the good thing was that I had a bunch of different ideas to work with, some of which I woudn't have thought of myself. Or better yet...send me all your gear. I'll use it for a few months and return it to you all wired up. That's my personal favorite! Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 17:39:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23208; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:36:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:36:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501c2a2f8$2744bac0$ad2a5a0c@u73x0> From: "Cino" To: References: Subject: Re: Robert Fripp & Big Muff Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:37:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01C2A2CE.3DAE7000" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C2A2CE.3DAE7000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robert Fripp & Big MuffI wonder about that. I saw four League of = Gentlemen performances in 1980 and spent a good portion of each = performance standing directly below Mr. Fripp and gawking at his = technique. His stripped-down pedalboard included a wah-wah pedal and an = Electro-Harmonix "Big Muff Pi." I was never close enough to the stage = to see a pedalboard for the Crimson concerts I attended in '73 and '74.=20 Robert Fripp has gone on record several times stating that he has = never used a Big Muff. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C2A2CE.3DAE7000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robert Fripp & Big Muff

I wonder about that. I saw four League of Gentlemen = performances=20 in 1980 and spent a good portion of each performance standing directly = below Mr.=20 Fripp and gawking at his technique. His stripped-down pedalboard = included=20 a wah-wah pedal and an Electro-Harmonix "Big Muff Pi." I was never = close=20 enough to the stage to see a pedalboard for the Crimson concerts I = attended in=20 '73 and '74.

Robert Fripp has = gone on=20 record several times stating that he has never used a Big=20 Muff.

------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C2A2CE.3DAE7000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 18:14:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26957; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:13:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:13:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005d01c2a2fd$38af3fb0$a31d7344@schererfamily> From: "Ted Scherer" To: References: <161.1881e793.2b2b5fc2@aol.com> <00b901c2a2c2$85fb76c0$6f424ed5@bigboy> Subject: Re: In need of help Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:13:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <_dS3JB.A.HlG.pmm-9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com LOL....Ted is a very rare name isnt it ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" To: Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 10:13 AM Subject: Re: In need of help > > Gee, that seems weird for some reason. Not many other Teds on this list. > > Heck, other than my son and my father I hardly KNOW any other Teds. > > well, at least you can rest easy knowing that the Killian's have upped the > world's Ted-count to the tune of three... > > You be honoured with some special title at this year's Ted-awards, during > Ted-Awareness Week... > > :o) > > Steve > www.steve-lawson.co.uk > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 18:40:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28769; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:40:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:40:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021213233943.93312.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:39:43 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Robert Fripp & Big Muff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003501c2a2f8$2744bac0$ad2a5a0c@u73x0> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This interview supports Cino's eyewitness account: -t- --- Cino wrote: > Frip... >...stripped-down pedalboard included a > wah-wah pedal and an Electro-Harmonix "Big Muff Pi." __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 20:50:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06002; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 20:43:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 20:43:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c2a313$8bad6d20$ba4d510c@anon> From: "alex millar" To: Subject: buy this. Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:52:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gear sale: 1) Roland VP 9000 w/ maxed out ram. includes manuals, v-producer software, sample cd disk, and zip disk with demo and tutorials. $330 + 15 to ship. You insure. 2) Alesis DM Pro drum machine - all manuals, power supply, and software. $202 + 10 to ship. You insure. 3) Tascam US 224 DAW surface - all manuals and software, USB cable, and original packaging. $190 + 10 shipping. You insure. All three items are virtually unused. I am selling them because I don't and won't use them. My loss will be your gain. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 21:17:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08991; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 21:14:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 21:14:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:12:02 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: SV: Mac G4 midi software question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DFA9372.F6CC1245@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <001201c2a08a$6e007550$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Resent-Message-ID: <4sd0OB.A.ZMC.cQp-9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, that sure does sound like an advertisment for Apple! Damn! I have an intire host of Video, graphics and audio apps on my G4 (and previously on a G3 and before that a 604) and other than the occaisional incompatable extension (easily remedied with new extension set) Anyway, I do all these things on my machine. Sure, I have to keep my hard drive defraged and run a hard drive utility every now and then, but I can do it all on one machine. Now that's a cost savings. Mark Sottilaro Per Boysen wrote: > > > Fr�n: Chris Roberts [mailto:cpr@musetrap.com] > > > I'm not a Mac-person, myself, but I worked at Apple for a > > year in the 'ProMedia' group, and I can vouch for the > > brainshare in the OS X audio group... > > That's nice to hear! I'd like to buy a new Mac in a year or two if there > will be a new product line of Apple machines with faster processors (to > be able to continue working with Logic). After leaving my old Atari in > -94 I went Mac since there were no alternatives back then. In -98 I > bought my first Windows box and now I'm using mainly PCs on WinXP. It's > true that you can get a lot more CPU power and bang for the buck along > the pc road but you really have to put some serious efforts into > learning about the parts of your machine. Not every motherboard on the > market is doing fine with every processor. The bottom line is that you > will probably run into trouble if you buy a PC for audio use right off > the shell. If you want a strong and stable PC you have to pick the parts > and also maintain the system in a good way. I keep separate, bootable, > system partitions (hidden from each other) and never install any > software other than the audio applications into the studio partition. If > I want to use the Office Suite I reboot into that partition. > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > ________________ > www.boysen.se > www.fuzz.se > www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 21:43:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10308; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 21:40:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 21:40:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200212101847.NAA17141@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 22:33:27 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: Mac G4 midi software question with reaxtor Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 12/9/02 Kevin Goldsmith queried: >I heard that the 667 Mhz and 800 Mhz TiBooks had issues with performance >of audio apps because of cache issues. The cache was optimized for video >applications (throughput vs latency). This meant that if you had a >looping MAX patch or reverb or something that your performace was about >equal to the 400-500 Mhz TiBook. Anyone done any tests with the newest >TiBooks? Also, how bad is a high-end iBook vs a medium-end TiBook for >Max/Reaktor/DP3/Live? I've been thinking of getting an iBook for my live >and traveling sound use, but should I just save up for a TiBook >replacement for my TiBook 400 Mhz that is on loan? Kevin Ijust picked up a new 1ghz TiBook and Reaxtor is so much fun on this. The Granular programs that used to lock up on me now run at CPU rates of 14-15 and when I really push then make it up to 35... Patrick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 22:20:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14298; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 22:19:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 22:19:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Looptalk@aol.com Message-ID: <104.2200fb5f.2b2bfd2a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 22:19:06 EST Subject: the guy who could mod a repeater string from a week ago or so To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_104.2200fb5f.2b2bfd2a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10577 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_104.2200fb5f.2b2bfd2a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did anyone follow up on the string regarding a guy who mods repeaters and makes them more quite. I called him and what he told me was the engineers who made the repeater, and other companies such as lexicon (vortex) create excess noise floor in their machines by the way they route the signal...he then went on to add how protools is inferior as well. OK this was way over my head, (and I'm fairly tall) but I believed him and was curious to hear from any you engineering types that may have spoke to him about this idea. I would like to know If Kim spoke to him and if any of the suggestions made sense to him. Could the EDP be wired better? This Guy had never opened an EDP up before to observe it's workings. --part1_104.2200fb5f.2b2bfd2a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did anyone follow up on the string regarding a guy who mods repeaters and makes them more quite.

I called him and what he told me was the engineers who made the repeater, and other companies such as lexicon (vortex) create excess noise floor in their machines by the way they route the signal...he then went on to add how protools is inferior as well.

OK this was way over my head, (and I'm fairly tall) but I believed him and was curious to hear from any you engineering types that may have spoke to him about this idea. I would like to know If Kim spoke to him and if any of the suggestions made sense to him. Could the EDP be wired better? This Guy had never opened an EDP up before to observe it's workings.
--part1_104.2200fb5f.2b2bfd2a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 13 23:54:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21366; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 23:51:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 23:51:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <66.2b8d1cd0.2b2c12a9@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 23:50:49 EST Subject: Re: event: Sound/Shift Oakland (California) Jan 10/11 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_66.2b8d1cd0.2b2c12a9_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_66.2b8d1cd0.2b2c12a9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/12/02 8:49:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, mattdavignon@hotmail.com writes: > this event is organized by Matt Davignon matt.....you da man!!!!.....michael --part1_66.2b8d1cd0.2b2c12a9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/12/02 8:49:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, mattdavignon@hotmail.com writes:

this event is organized by Matt Davignon

matt.....you da man!!!!.....michael --part1_66.2b8d1cd0.2b2c12a9_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 00:18:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24389; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 00:16:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 00:16:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <14f.18c2ca62.2b2c188d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 00:15:57 EST Subject: Re: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_14f.18c2ca62.2b2c188d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_14f.18c2ca62.2b2c188d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/13/02 4:30:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 laab2000us@yahoo.com writes: > ill check out the behringers i supposed they=B4re > cheaper as well... but better? >=20 but better?.....dear l.a., if you were sitting across the table from me, i=20 would piss you off by asking every other sentence, "pardon, what did you=20 say?"......but better? i dont know, thats why i put it out there as a=20 question.....its gettin weird for me, i love "tone", but im going deaf, my=20 family wants to kill me at times, "dad, turn it down", "i ask for the bread=20 not the butter".....for a long time, i wanted it all "loud and fast" now i=20 just need it "loud".....unless beringers really "suck" ijdk, id say go for=20 the larger less expensive unit.....but my beliefs become more suspect each=20 and every day.....:).....michael=20 --part1_14f.18c2ca62.2b2c188d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/13/= 02 4:30:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, laab2000us@yahoo.com writes:

ill check out the behringers i=20= supposed they=B4re
cheaper as well... but better?

but better?.....dear l.a., if you were sitting across the table from me, i w= ould piss you off by asking every other sentence, "pardon, what did you say?= "......but better? i dont know, thats why i put it out there as a question..= ...its gettin weird for me, i love "tone", but im going deaf, my family want= s to kill me at times, "dad, turn it down", "i ask for the bread not the but= ter".....for a long time, i wanted it all "loud and fast" now i just need it= "loud".....unless beringers really "suck" ijdk, id say go for the larger le= ss expensive unit.....but my beliefs become more suspect each and every day.= ....:).....michael --part1_14f.18c2ca62.2b2c188d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 00:21:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25036; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 00:21:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 00:21:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 00:20:57 EST Subject: Re: In need of help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ae.336e4c89.2b2c19b9_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_ae.336e4c89.2b2c19b9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/13/02 11:08:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes: > Heck, other than my son and my father I hardly KNOW any other Teds. > > well hell ted!......you guys took 3 teds out of circulation just in your family alone, you greedy "ted piggies".....just try being a.....michael --part1_ae.336e4c89.2b2c19b9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/13/02 11:08:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes:

Heck, other than my son and my father I hardly KNOW any other Teds.

well hell ted!......you guys took 3 teds out of circulation just in your family alone, you greedy "ted piggies".....just try being a.....michael --part1_ae.336e4c89.2b2c19b9_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 04:51:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA17138; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 04:49:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 04:49:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021214094851.73058.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 01:48:51 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: the guy who could mod a repeater string from a week ago or so To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <104.2200fb5f.2b2bfd2a@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I find the EDP very quiet actually, unless i ve gotten used to the noisy repeater and going deaf! L.a > Did anyone follow up on the string regarding a guy > who mods repeaters and > makes them more quite. > > I called him and what he told me was the engineers > who made the repeater, and > other companies such as lexicon (vortex) create > excess noise floor in their > machines by the way they route the signal...he then > went on to add how > protools is inferior as well. > > OK this was way over my head, (and I'm fairly tall) > but I believed him and > was curious to hear from any you engineering types > that may have spoke to him > about this idea. I would like to know If Kim spoke > to him and if any of the > suggestions made sense to him. Could the EDP be > wired better? This Guy had > never opened an EDP up before to observe it's > workings. > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 04:52:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA17015; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 04:46:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 04:46:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021214094624.71785.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 01:46:24 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <14f.18c2ca62.2b2c188d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Mike, I was told by a friend to stay away from behringer mixers i have never owned a Mixer so this is a new thang for me.I really don�t care about a brand as long as it doesn�t color my tone.Are you happy with yours? say what would be the difference between that and something like the Rane rackmount line mixer?Isn�t that more like a patchbay? some only have volume knobs no efx loops, returns, xlrs inputs etc. its not clear to me why they are considered mixers Thanx bro L.a > > but better?.....dear l.a., if you were sitting > across the table from me, i > would piss you off by asking every other sentence, > "pardon, what did you > say?"......but better? i dont know, thats why i put > it out there as a > question.....its gettin weird for me, i love "tone", > but im going deaf, my > family wants to kill me at times, "dad, turn it > down", "i ask for the bread > not the butter".....for a long time, i wanted it all > "loud and fast" now i > just need it "loud".....unless beringers really > "suck" ijdk, id say go for > the larger less expensive unit.....but my beliefs > become more suspect each > and every day.....:).....michael > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 05:00:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19057; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 04:59:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 04:59:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021214095853.8989.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 01:58:53 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: In need of help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20021213221215.53446.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Ted, here is a Link of equipment configs. maybe it will help: http://www.guitargeek.com/ cheers L.a > know exactly how this > > works but ill give it a try. Anyways, i have been > saving and buying and > > saving and buying for 2 years now to get some > really good equipment for a > > guitar rack. I'm finally where i want to be, but > the only problem is wiring > > the thing. I'm a rookie at this and since this is > such a complex rig im > > sure ill learn more than enough after its all > wired. Well' if anyone could > > help me by drawing up a diagram or some kinda > schematic it would be great!!! > > So i'll list all my equipment for whoever can > try and help me out. > > Thanks, Ted! > > I'm sure Jim will give you good advice offline, but > if you post a list of your > gear you'll probably get several different ideas. I > did that awhile back and got > enough different opinions to throughly confuse me, > so I went back and did what I > should have done to start with...experimented, to > figure out what -I- liked. BUT > the good thing was that I had a bunch of different > ideas to work with, some of > which I woudn't have thought of myself. > > Or better yet...send me all your gear. I'll use it > for a few months and return it > to you all wired up. That's my personal favorite! > > Greg > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 05:20:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA20215; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 05:20:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 05:20:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021214101935.81335.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 02:19:35 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Behringer Re: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Emile! How are you powering your signal are you using active speakers? > I have the Eurouack 2642 $400, 16 channels in > plus extra returns, > six sends, sounds great. > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 05:24:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA20454; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 05:23:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 05:23:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021214102303.87390.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 02:23:03 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000901c2a2de$43122fe0$7e322697@server> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Luigi thanks I am doing some research before i go shopping; are you using active speakers with it or do you have a separate power amp? L.a > Hi Louie. I currently use an Eurorack 2004 in my > guitar rack (mainly with my > loopers and fx) and a DDX3216 (Behringer digital > mixer) in my studio(for > recording along with an RME Digiface). > I love their sound. Now Behringer has created a new > line of Euroracks (don't > remember the name but you can find them on Behringer > web site) that are just > like the old ones, but contain as a bonus feature a > 24 bit Virtualizer fx > processor inside. I think I'll try one of them,too. > > Peace > Luigi > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 06:08:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA23952; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 06:07:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 06:07:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie --> mixer Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 12:07:25 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001401c2a360$fbb869b0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20021214094624.71785.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id GAA23931 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Fr�n: Louie Angulo [mailto:laab2000us@yahoo.com] > I was told by a friend to stay away from behringer > mixers i have never owned a Mixer so this is a new > thang for me. Hi Louie, I was also given this advice from some experienced pro users, they said a Behringer won't last as long as a Mackie. But they are so cheap so I bought one anyway for my looping rig. Thought I could as well buy another one if it should break down; you know you can find Behringers in any store if this should happen while traveling. Mine is a cute Eurorack MX 1604A and I mounted it on top of a Gator rack where I also keep a repeater, an EDP, a guitar pre-amp, a mic pre-amp (for saxophone and vocals), a Lexicon reverb and a stereo compressor on the output to keep levels right before going to the PA stage box/recorder. Although the tape in-put stopped working after a week I like this mixer and find my set-up very flexible. Using three channels for the repeater, one for the EDP, one for guitar input and one for sax/mic input, I'm getting two channels left to bring other sound sources into the looping rack. The reverb is in the mixer effect send/return loop, there are two sends on each channel so I'm only using one so far. Both loopers get their input signal from the "Alt 3-4" output. This button is on every mixer channel and I can simply push it to send the signal to the recording loopers. For my needs this little Behringer is ok. It has the inputs, outputs and routing possibilties I was looking for. Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 06:37:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA25473; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 06:36:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 06:36:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021214113620.12760.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 03:36:20 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: SV: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie --> mixer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001401c2a360$fbb869b0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanxs a million for the advice Per! I can�t wait to get one to start xperimenting.Do you use drum machines in sync with the EDP and repeater as well?This is another field i want to get more into sice i love to have rythm in the loops. I ve grown tired of the sounds of my long time companion DR660 i like more organic sounds so i am thinking of getting a small groove box to sync cool drum wavs. to them.But there are so many of them!This can be done of course with the repeater as well but syncronizing the EDP and repeater loaded with drum loops is not very easy and not as flexible i guess... Anyway Where in the signal chain do you have your drum machine?Do you have anything plugged in the Fxs insert of the repeater to color the signal or do you do it via the mixer? > > Hi Louie, > > I was also given this advice from some experienced > pro users, they said > a Behringer won't last as long as a Mackie. But they > are so cheap so I > bought one anyway for my looping rig. Thought I > could as well buy > another one if it should break down; you know you > can find Behringers in > any store if this should happen while traveling. > Mine is a cute Eurorack > MX 1604A and I mounted it on top of a Gator rack > where I also keep a > repeater, an EDP, a guitar pre-amp, a mic pre-amp > (for saxophone and > vocals), a Lexicon reverb and a stereo compressor on > the output to keep > levels right before going to the PA stage > box/recorder. Although the > tape in-put stopped working after a week I like this > mixer and find my > set-up very flexible. Using three channels for the > repeater, one for the > EDP, one for guitar input and one for sax/mic input, > I'm getting two > channels left to bring other sound sources into the > looping rack. The > reverb is in the mixer effect send/return loop, > there are two sends on > each channel so I'm only using one so far. Both > loopers get their input > signal from the "Alt 3-4" output. This button is on > every mixer channel > and I can simply push it to send the signal to the > recording loopers. > > For my needs this little Behringer is ok. It has the > inputs, outputs and > routing possibilties I was looking for. > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > ________________ > www.boysen.se > www.fuzz.se > www.upsweden.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 07:16:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA28981; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 07:15:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 07:15:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <195.123ad49a.2b2c7ae8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 07:15:36 EST Subject: Re:Re: Behringer Re: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I have the Eurouack 2642 $400, 16 channels in > > plus extra returns, > > six sends, sounds great. plus you can use the 2 stereo sub groups as stereo sends. ...and there's 4 extra stereo inputs, 5 if you count the 2track return. and direct outs( + inserts) for 8 of the inputs Total overkill to use this for looping :-) best thing is you can reconfigure the setup order of all your devices on the fly without unplugging I used it last weekend to mix 10 people mostly with a number of 'instruments' enough inputs to do that and put a jamMan in an aux for looping the vocals. ....and sounded good too worst thing is to then get a rack system with the mixer on top and find it's too heavy to move .....................................duh! andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 08:43:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03224; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 08:43:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 08:43:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c2a376$d2e3ad40$38322697@server> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <20021214102303.87390.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:43:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use mainly powered speakers... Alesis bi-amplified near-field monitors in studio (But I have also used for a long time Tannoy passive with a yamaha studio power-amp with similar results) and Mackie 450's live. I usually prefer active (and bi-ampli or tri-amplified ones) since they have the internal power-amps coupled to the speakers (I mean as power) so there are less problems with distortion etc... I also use a Behringer compressor (the composer) between the mixer outs and the speaker inputs (just as a limiter, to avoid peaks). Peace Luigi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louie Angulo" To: Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 11:23 AM Subject: Re: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie > > Luigi thanks > I am doing some research before i go shopping; are you > using active speakers with it or do you have a > separate power amp? > L.a > > > > > Hi Louie. I currently use an Eurorack 2004 in my > > guitar rack (mainly with my > > loopers and fx) and a DDX3216 (Behringer digital > > mixer) in my studio(for > > recording along with an RME Digiface). > > I love their sound. Now Behringer has created a new > > line of Euroracks (don't > > remember the name but you can find them on Behringer > > web site) that are just > > like the old ones, but contain as a bonus feature a > > 24 bit Virtualizer fx > > processor inside. I think I'll try one of them,too. > > > > Peace > > Luigi > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 10:59:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14620; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 10:58:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 10:58:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DFB54A9.8040504@wanadoo.fr> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:56:25 +0100 From: "o.malhomme" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; fr-FR; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: fr-fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: line 6 echo pro References: <200212121616.LAA29274@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I understood from this recent thread that these beasties are going out low these last times. I'd like to ask fellow loopers here two things: one that goes on topic: what is the experience of the people here with one as far as ovreall sounds and possibilities first, and second, as far as lopping in concerned, and second: if anyone has an address, a phone number of wherever I can find one dirt cheap (remeber I live in France, the "go to see your local Mars Music store" isn't going to work). Subsidiairy question: how the power line works ? can you switch 110 to 220 V ? is it an external power suppply ? Thanks in advance Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 11:43:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19986; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 11:42:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 11:42:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: SV: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie --> mixer Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 17:42:23 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001c01c2a38f$c71e2e90$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20021214113620.12760.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA19960 Resent-Message-ID: <2yBrqD.A.M4E.z91-9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Fr�n: Louie Angulo [mailto:laab2000us@yahoo.com] > Thanxs a million for the advice Per! > I can�t wait to get one to start xperimenting.Do you > use drum machines in sync with the EDP and repeater as > well?This is another field i want to get more into sice i > love to have rythm in the loops. I ve grown tired of the > sounds of my long time companion DR660 i like more organic > sounds so i am thinking of getting a small groove box to > sync cool drum wavs. to them.But there are so many of > them!This can be done of course with the repeater as well but > syncronizing the EDP and repeater loaded with drum loops is > not very easy and not as flexible i guess... Anyway Where in > the signal chain do you have your drum machine?Do you have > anything plugged in the Fxs insert of the repeater to color > the signal or do you do it via the mixer? Hi Louie, I've tried drum machines but found it not "organic" enough for my taste (I own a MC303 and my brother has a 505). I'm more interested in making ambient music or building percussive patterns with my musical instruments so the audience can easily see what's going on. I don't like loading drum patterns into the Repeater either, since I want to improvise everything. There should be now "composition" in mind when entering the stage and no "overdubbing" done afterwards, that's how I like it ;-) That's why I always empty the memories of Repeater and EDP twice - once before I start playing and then immediately after finishing a piece. I'm using the Repeaters FX chain for two separate outputs in parallel with the main left/right output. Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 14:01:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01022; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 13:59:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 13:59:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011a01c2a3a3$3538b220$f091ef18@earthlink.net> From: "Sarth" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA2C@LON-MAIL07> Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: where is the looper in this picture? Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:01:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0117_01C2A379.4C0EBDC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0117_01C2A379.4C0EBDC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [looper's] RE: where is the looper in this picture?Whoah, hey, how = do you do that? the evolutions are modified so that a volume pedal can be plugged = straight in the back, and the onboard volume control then adjusts the = upper limit of the pedal, returning to it's normal function when the = pedal is unplugged. why oh why aren't they like this when you buy them? = god knows it's simple enough...... duncan/r.m.i.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0117_01C2A379.4C0EBDC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [looper's] RE: where is the looper in this = picture?

Whoah, hey, how do you do = that?

the evolutions are = modified so that a=20 volume pedal can be plugged straight in the back, and the onboard = volume=20 control then adjusts the upper limit of the pedal, returning to it's = normal=20 function when the pedal is unplugged. why oh why aren't they like this = when=20 you buy them? god knows it's simple enough......

duncan/r.m.i.

------=_NextPart_000_0117_01C2A379.4C0EBDC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 14:21:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02565; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:20:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:20:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20021214101935.81335.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021214101935.81335.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:12:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: Behringer Re: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:19 AM -0800 12/14/02, Louie Angulo wrote: >Thanks Emile! >How are you powering your signal are you using active >speakers? > >> I have the Eurouack 2642 $400, 16 channels in >> plus extra returns, > > six sends, sounds great. >> > Louie Its my basement studio setup -- the 2642 is larger than I would want for a performance system, and the output goes through a stereo amp to studio monitors -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 14:24:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02850; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:23:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:23:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <6c.272f3848.2b2cdf30@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:23:28 EST Subject: Re: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6c.272f3848.2b2cdf30_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_6c.272f3848.2b2cdf30_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/14/02 4:47:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, laab2000us@yahoo.com writes: > I was told by a friend to stay away from behringer seems some folk on the list not only use but like the behringer stuff, the rane stuff, i know nothing about.....i use a mackie 1202 vlz but like i said, i out grew it very quickly and im thinking of getting a behringer to supplement it, so much for downsizing!.....michael --part1_6c.272f3848.2b2cdf30_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/14/02 4:47:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, laab2000us@yahoo.com writes:

I was told by a friend to stay away from behringer

seems some folk on the list not only use but like the behringer stuff, the rane stuff, i know nothing about.....i use a mackie 1202 vlz but like i said, i out grew it very quickly and im thinking of getting a behringer to supplement it, so much for downsizing!.....michael --part1_6c.272f3848.2b2cdf30_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 15:08:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06899; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 15:03:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 15:03:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 12:00:07 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: Robert Fripp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DFB8DC7.E2939BFE@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20021211053651.87199.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did fall in love with that almost synth like square wave that Frip uses and I found that the Big Muff was good, but really noisy. Ibanez tube screamer (why did I get rid of my original!?) did it for me. Later, I moved to a Digitech 2120 and never quite got that sound, but close. I also found that an old Korg AX-30 multieffect stomp box did it *great* as well as having a sweet ring modulator. I don't know about the Fernandez Sustainer, but I find the Sustainiac system to be very useful, though not quite the e-Bow sound. More natural and mellow sounding, but very useful none the less. Needs practice of your string muting technique though, and you'll probably end up having to do some routing, unless you've got a guitar with a big electronics cavity. Mark Sottilaro Chris Richards wrote: > > > e-bow-less sound that eno introduced him to, and > therefore probably deeply secret. I think fripp > has a tiny e-bow built into the palm of his hand, > meself. > > Nowadays, of course, Fripp has that Fernades Les > Paul copy (actually, a couple of them, at least, > I think) with the Sustainer built in, so > "infinite" sustain is no problem. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 16:49:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15541; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:47:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:47:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c2a3ba$8b3758e0$162b5a0c@u73x0> From: "Cino" To: References: <20021213233943.93312.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Robert Fripp & Big Muff Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:48:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Tim Nelson" wrote: > This interview supports Cino's eyewitness account: > > --- Cino wrote: > > Frip... > >...stripped-down pedalboard included a > > wah-wah pedal and an Electro-Harmonix "Big Muff Pi." Thanks for the nice link, Tim! I'd had a few beers at each of those shows over 20 years ago and I was wondering if not only Mr. Fripp's tone, but also my memory, was fuzzy . . . ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 16:53:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15469; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:46:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:46:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.158.64.247] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Robert Fripp Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:46:03 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2002 21:46:04.0181 (UTC) FILETIME=[336CD450:01C2A3BA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think the "foxy lady" fuzz box that Fripp used was the precursor to the EH Big Muff? FYI, I found a few sites about his older gear that were kind of interesting. http://www.danbbs.dk/~m-bohn/fripp/ http://www.tonosity.com/Detail/Player.aspx?Player_ID=196 http://www.tonyvisconti.com/faq/bowie.htm (the ebow myth) Cheers Lou >From: Mark >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Robert Fripp >Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 12:00:07 -0800 > >I did fall in love with that almost synth like square wave that Frip >uses and I found that the Big Muff was good, but really noisy. Ibanez >tube screamer (why did I get rid of my original!?) did it for me. >Later, I moved to a Digitech 2120 and never quite got that sound, but >close. I also found that an old Korg AX-30 multieffect stomp box did it >*great* as well as having a sweet ring modulator. > >I don't know about the Fernandez Sustainer, but I find the Sustainiac >system to be very useful, though not quite the e-Bow sound. More >natural and mellow sounding, but very useful none the less. Needs >practice of your string muting technique though, and you'll probably end >up having to do some routing, unless you've got a guitar with a big >electronics cavity. > >Mark Sottilaro > > > >Chris Richards wrote: > > > > > > e-bow-less sound that eno introduced him to, and > > therefore probably deeply secret. I think fripp > > has a tiny e-bow built into the palm of his hand, > > meself. > > > > Nowadays, of course, Fripp has that Fernades Les > > Paul copy (actually, a couple of them, at least, > > I think) with the Sustainer built in, so > > "infinite" sustain is no problem. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 18:42:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23249; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 18:38:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 18:38:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.62.100.124] From: "Nick Schillace" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Re: Behringer Re: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 18:37:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2002 23:37:32.0292 (UTC) FILETIME=[C5D99440:01C2A3C9] Resent-Message-ID: <-YYzsB.A.LrF.JE8-9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was going to throw one in a SKB DJ shuttle or Mini Gig rig. Is this a "too heavy" set up? > > >Eurouack 2642 >worst thing is to then get a rack system with the >mixer on top and find it's too heavy to move >.....................................duh! _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 19:13:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25810; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 19:10:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 19:10:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009b01c2a3ce$b47a4e60$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Ben Grossman with Pype Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 19:12:50 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's time for the last Ping performance of 2002 and it's *almost* a "seasonal" show with hurdy gurdy man Ben Grossman joining with Pype on the pipes for an electroacoustic meltdown. The Ambient Ping will be closed on December 24th & 31st, reopening on January 7th 2003. Best wishes to all for the Holiday Season and the New Year from Jamie T, rik and myself... Scott M2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday December 17th - Ben Grossman with Pype Ben is an eclectic performer, composer and sound designer whose work can be heard on over 50 CDs, on films and television and in theatre performances. Ben's been involved in ambient music since he was a wee lad tinkering with synths in his parents' suburban basement. Mostly these days he focuses on the hurdy gurdy (vielle a roue/Drehleier) and its applications in early music, traditional music and experimental sound creation. Ben last performed at the Ping in January 2001 with Planet Of The Loops. http://www.macrophone.org For the 2nd set, Ben will be joined by Pype (Jean-Marc Guillemette), who could be described "as notoriously ambient with wind instrument washes, cooked over hummed drones." Pype musical munchies have been found most recently at the Om Summer Solstice Festival, but have also been found at Harvest Festivals, Boreals, Promise parties, Cherry Beach boogies and Burning Man 2000. No Between Sets CD tonight as Pype will perform a solo 'interval' set. (May contain traces of soul and jazz. Pype does not contain Zamfir.) Before and after the show, though, Steve Roach's new CD collection "day out of time" will be featured. Stop by the club's main mixer to examine the magnificent cover photograph. http://www.steveroach.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the PiNG THiNGS ambient/experimental CD boutique. Drop off food at PiNG THiNGS for the Daily Bread Food Bank too. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday Jan. 7th - Robert Hoare with cheryl o & Steven Sauve Rob Hoare - http://www.robhoare.de cheryl o - http://www.cellojuice.com Steven Sauve - http://www.karmafarm.ca . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's PiNG THiNGS' CD REViEWs "Odyssey" by James Johnson Shimmering and luminous in tone, "Odyssey" by James Johnson is a stunning journey through time and space sure to appeal to fans of minimalist ambience. Built around a series of constantly growing undulating themes, this hour long piece shifts and moves in an organic fashion, wrapping itself around the listener, enveloping them in a womb-like serenity. The ebb and flow of sweeping elegance, sparse piano, waves of sound rising to the front of your perception all combine to create a stunning listening experience. A wonderful work well suited for drifting and letting the mind wander, "Odyssey" is an excellent example of the beauty of absence, and further proof of James Johnson's mastery of the ambient genre. "Odyssey" by James Johnson is available now at PiNG THiNGS for $15 To hear samples from this album, along with other of Johnson's works, visit http://www.zeromusic.net rik maclean - torment@corpusnet.com * Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com to learn about all the latest releases on sale at PiNG THiNGS. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 20:19:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30859; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 20:17:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 20:17:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021214184318.0260ba08@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 19:24:35 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Duke Sexton Subject: Re: Behringer (was: SV: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie --> mixer) In-Reply-To: <001401c2a360$fbb869b0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> References: <20021214094624.71785.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id UAA30838 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:07 PM 12/14/2002 +0100, Per Boysen wrote: > > Fr�n: Louie Angulo [mailto:laab2000us@yahoo.com] > > > I was told by a friend to stay away from behringer > > mixers i have never owned a Mixer so this is a new > > thang for me. > >I was also given this advice from some experienced pro users, they said >a Behringer won't last as long as a Mackie. But they are so cheap so I >bought one anyway for my looping rig. I also watched a couple of "experienced pro" friends have a fit when it came out that I picked up a pair of Behringer Truth monitors for my studio. And, like you, I hit 'em back with the counter argument that I could buy the Behringer's three times over again for what I would have paid for a pair of Genelec's, while still maintaining a high standard of sound quality. After I began to probe their objections a bit further, it came out that the real concern they held against the company was that there's this perception Behringer takes innovations upon which other companies have already done the R&D, then brings out cloned products for a fraction of the price. That argument seemed somewhat less disconcerting to me, since many decent companies have specialized as much in price innovation as they have engineering innovation (tell me: would you rather pay $40,000 for an Akai ADAM, or $4,000 for an Alesis ADAT?). It also seemed rather hypocritical on their part, since a couple of them were extremely vocal advocates for some of those other companies. Overall, I think there are some Behringer products which don't sound as good as the originals after which they were modelled. However, there are some products which really do shine, even if they only cost a third of what you might otherwise pay. To be certain, their competitors don't like being undercut so badly, and have put an awful lot of FUD out there to counter. Don't pay any attention to it. Rather, do some research, ask around, and, in the end, trust your own judgment as to whether the Behringer gear will really get the job done for you. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 20:41:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32133; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 20:39:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 20:39:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c2a3da$ca7ea290$3e57c350@p4> From: "d.swain" To: "Loopers Delight mailing list" Subject: Elliot sharp's eight string guitar Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 01:39:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2A3DA.CA5D5EF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <1IHNFC.A._1H.Q19-9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2A3DA.CA5D5EF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone have any information on this ? 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------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2A3DA.CA5D5EF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 20:53:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00433; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 20:51:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 20:51:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 20:51:14 -0500 Subject: sony dat spdif transfer request for help. From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a Sony Portable DAT recorder PCM-M1 which I bought with the required RMR-D100 digital I/O converter and remote control unit. To this day, I've never been able to get any sp/dif talking going on between the recorder and my Motu 828. should be fairly simple.... Does anyone else use this combination? or know a suitable sony person to talk to? I'm clean out of ideas and have just gotten so frustrated as to bag on it everytime and go analog... thanks in advance for the help... todd reynolds From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 14 22:09:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05706; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 22:07:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 22:07:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021215030644.95767.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 19:06:44 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Elliot sharp's eight string guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001301c2a3da$ca7ea290$3e57c350@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not much, but: and are pretty interesting... -t- --- "d.swain" wrote: > Does anyone have any information on this ? > Im particulary interested in the scale length, > electroinics and amps / fx used __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 00:03:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11615; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 23:54:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 23:54:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <199.1247a015.2b2d6512@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 23:54:42 EST Subject: Re: Behringer (was: SV: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie -->... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_199.1247a015.2b2d6512_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_199.1247a015.2b2d6512_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/14/02 8:16:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, catilyne@icicle.net writes: > do some research, ask > around, and, in the end, trust your own judgment there it is in a nutshell.....michael --part1_199.1247a015.2b2d6512_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/14/02 8:16:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, catilyne@icicle.net writes:

do some research, ask
around, and, in the end, trust your own judgment

there it is in a nutshell.....michael --part1_199.1247a015.2b2d6512_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 00:38:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14557; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:37:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:37:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:31:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re:Re: Behringer Re: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1LST5D.A.WjD.iUB_9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:37 PM -0500 12/14/02, Nick Schillace wrote: >I was going to throw one in a SKB DJ shuttle or Mini Gig rig. Is >this a "too heavy" set up? > >> > >Eurouack 2642 >>worst thing is to then get a rack system with the >>mixer on top and find it's too heavy to move >>.....................................duh! > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail I'm not familiar with your rig, but most likely it is -- I sure wouldn't want to carry one around. Behringer makes a line of smaller mixers that I've seen a lot of people use. If I played music out (lately I only do video out), I would get one -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. 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Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 00:52:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14916; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:45:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:45:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: Subject: PMC 10 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 23:49:23 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <0RGdNC.A.-oD.UcB_9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anybody know where I can buy a Digitech PMC 10???? -Arthur Lee www.arthurleemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 02:31:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA21907; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 02:22:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 02:22:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: vst loop plugin Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 23:15:51 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com great ideas, richard. sounds like you've got a bit of a combination of ableton's live and the little plug we're working on. the biggest limitations designing (and using) applications intended for live use, in my experience, is in designing the input/control interaction with the user. i personally dislike using the mouse for live performance... it just seems to slow/inefficient. with a keyboard or midi inteface, one hand can control many functions simultaneously and quickly. the trick then is to come up with a small, but deep, enough set of controls and have them tied to an interface with enough visual feedback to make the abstract controls meaningful and familiar. and, of course, you want to design something that is practical enough to implement. so what controls do you keep? which are the most fun to work with live? i'm hearing the following features: - input monitors - visual overview of samples - loop marker creation - loop marker manipulation (sliding, changing length) - independent loop start/end point manipulation (almost the same as the last) - multiple loops (only doing one per instance right now) - keyboard loop triggering w/optional quantized trigger (this is almost in there already, only via midi though) - loop sequencing any other ideas from you guys? by the way, a lot of what you're talking about will be immediately available with the combined use of a v-stack/console like application and several instances of the plug we're building spread out on multiple effects slots. nothing is stopping you from having multiple instances of 'looper' going simultaneously. i'm really excited about these new vst effects shell apps. good chance that they'll be extremely helpful to those of us who do live stuff via laptops. paul > From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] > > I usually "perform" on signal processors, with input coming from > recordings or other players, as opposed to playing an instrument and > capturing loops of what I've played. I'd like a user interface that > lets me have a visual overview of the sound material and which will > give me quick access to editing and signal routing. Therefore I'd > like to be able to record multiple audio inputs into buffers that can > be either fully independent or linked together as two-channel or > multichannel recordings. Then I'd like to be able to loop sections of > these recordings either by "dropping" markers or by drag-selecting > segments. > > Once I've defined one or more loops I'd like to be able to slide them > around, either by dragging with the mouse or by assigning a MIDI > controller. I'd want to control the start and end points of the loops > either independently or as a pair, so I could dynamically change the > length of a loop or so I could slide it back and forth through the > recorded material. It would be good to be able to do this with more > than one loop simultaneously. > > It should be possible to define multiple loops within a recording and > to assign the selection of these loops to a graphic or physical > controller such as a MIDI or QWERTY keyboard. Jumping from one loop > to another should be optionally either instant or queueable, so that > each loop would play completely through before switching to the next. > > A refinement of this loop sequencing system would be to save > sequences as presets that could then be triggered. This would allow > the creation of multi-loop phrases. > > The user interface for this stuff could be complicated to design, but > I'd like it to reflect graphically the "objectness" of the loops and > loop sequences. > > >ALSO... we still need two or three more people to help us with our vst > >plugin. anybody else want to help test/play with an early version of the > >above concept? > > Sign me up. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 02:38:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22487; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 02:33:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 02:33:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: vst loop plugin Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 23:26:23 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001701c2a09c$265cbf30$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry everyone, for not responding sooner. my mail provider has been having severe mail problems... many emails have been completely lost. if you haven't gotten any mail from me and want to, please try again. thanks! > The fact that the looper is a VST plug-in is very cool, since > you can then use it with your favorite host application, on stage as > well as in the studio. yup, that's the idea! > I would like all features to be fully controllable even when the host > application is running in recording mode. This would be the perfect > set-up to make live recordings of improvised loop music, as the host app > will be recording at the same time (1) audio and the parameters > controlling the VST loop plug-in; (2) midi clock/tempo and (3) midi > controllers from the foot pedal board. so i understand what you're saying... you would like to be able to record ALL the input you're getting to the plugin and sequencer and then have this automatically looped back on repeat? currently we haven't thought of actually recording any received midi signals, but that is a possibility... it definitely adds a great deal of complexity, but would be very interesting. > The interesting question IMHO is what happens after you have run out of > PC ram? Will the VST looper re-allocate memory? Will the oldest loop be > deleted to make room for another top layer? Or will the computer crash? our first implementation has a fixed sample length, so unless you have very little available memory to begin with you can't really run out. of course, you can always try and run out of memory... however you want. ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 03:38:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25901; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 03:34:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 03:34:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:31:28 -0800 From: Mark Subject: LiSa? Re: vst loop plugin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DFC3DE0.C1603C82@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Years ago I played with a demo of a program called LiSa by Steim. (http://www.steim.nl/products.html) It seemed to have most of the functions that Richard spoke of, and it seemed to run pretty well on a Macintosh 7500. I loaded "Danke Schoen" into the RAM buffer, and made different parts of the song into loops. I don't remember if it allowed you to move loop points in real time, but I remember it being very powerful and intuitive. I used the demo (no save) to do a techno remix of Danke Schoen. It ended up sounding so evil I loved it! During the production, it crashed my machine, but still remained functional via midi even though the cursor was frozen. Not a bad crash at all. Mark Sottilaro Paul Weissman wrote: > > great ideas, richard. sounds like you've got a bit of a combination of > ableton's live and the little plug we're working on. > > the biggest limitations designing (and using) applications intended for live > use, in my experience, is in designing the input/control interaction with > the user. i personally dislike using the mouse for live performance... it > just seems to slow/inefficient. with a keyboard or midi inteface, one hand > can control many functions simultaneously and quickly. the trick then is to > come up with a small, but deep, enough set of controls and have them tied to > an interface with enough visual feedback to make the abstract controls > meaningful and familiar. > > and, of course, you want to design something that is practical enough to > implement. so what controls do you keep? which are the most fun to work > with live? > > i'm hearing the following features: > - input monitors > - visual overview of samples > - loop marker creation > - loop marker manipulation (sliding, changing length) > - independent loop start/end point manipulation (almost the same as the > last) > - multiple loops (only doing one per instance right now) > - keyboard loop triggering w/optional quantized trigger > (this is almost in there already, only via midi though) > - loop sequencing > > any other ideas from you guys? > > by the way, a lot of what you're talking about will be immediately available > with the combined use of a v-stack/console like application and several > instances of the plug we're building spread out on multiple effects slots. > nothing is stopping you from having multiple instances of 'looper' going > simultaneously. > > i'm really excited about these new vst effects shell apps. good chance that > they'll be extremely helpful to those of us who do live stuff via laptops. > > paul > > > From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] > > > > I usually "perform" on signal processors, with input coming from > > recordings or other players, as opposed to playing an instrument and > > capturing loops of what I've played. I'd like a user interface that > > lets me have a visual overview of the sound material and which will > > give me quick access to editing and signal routing. Therefore I'd > > like to be able to record multiple audio inputs into buffers that can > > be either fully independent or linked together as two-channel or > > multichannel recordings. Then I'd like to be able to loop sections of > > these recordings either by "dropping" markers or by drag-selecting > > segments. > > > > Once I've defined one or more loops I'd like to be able to slide them > > around, either by dragging with the mouse or by assigning a MIDI > > controller. I'd want to control the start and end points of the loops > > either independently or as a pair, so I could dynamically change the > > length of a loop or so I could slide it back and forth through the > > recorded material. It would be good to be able to do this with more > > than one loop simultaneously. > > > > It should be possible to define multiple loops within a recording and > > to assign the selection of these loops to a graphic or physical > > controller such as a MIDI or QWERTY keyboard. Jumping from one loop > > to another should be optionally either instant or queueable, so that > > each loop would play completely through before switching to the next. > > > > A refinement of this loop sequencing system would be to save > > sequences as presets that could then be triggered. This would allow > > the creation of multi-loop phrases. > > > > The user interface for this stuff could be complicated to design, but > > I'd like it to reflect graphically the "objectness" of the loops and > > loop sequences. > > > > >ALSO... we still need two or three more people to help us with our vst > > >plugin. anybody else want to help test/play with an early version of the > > >above concept? > > > > Sign me up. > > -- > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Richard Zvonar, PhD > > (818) 788-2202 > > http://www.zvonar.com > > http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 04:28:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA01103; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 04:27:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 04:27:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DFC4A57.4050107@wanadoo.fr> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 10:24:39 +0100 From: "o.malhomme" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; fr-FR; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: fr-fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Fripp Fuzz References: <200212150141.UAA32247@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would recommand two cheap alternatives to emulate such a sound: 1) the old ibanez OD9 overdrive which is as it names implies (not!) not at all an overdrive but a fuzz. It sounds great. The notes have this quality with it that sound sound like they "inflate" after attack.... Great thing. Found it @ 8 bucks. 2) the fuzz model of the Behringer Vamp. Sounds killer when you bypass any Speaker simulation, and then work on the Eq to dampen a little the high frequencies. Closer to this modern Fripp sound (aka since Thrak) More Hi Fi. A little more piercing too, if I may say so. Olivier Malhomme PS: ermmmm any adress welcome for the echo pro... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 05:15:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA03962; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 05:14:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 05:14:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <12c.1dbec85a.2b2db006@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 05:14:30 EST Subject: Re:Re: Behringer Re: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I was going to throw one in a SKB DJ shuttle or Mini Gig rig. Is this a "too > > heavy" set up? > > > > >Eurouack 2642 > >worst thing is to then get a rack system with the > >mixer on top and find it's too heavy to move > >.....................................duh! Well I got a 12u semi-flight rack (SKB, i think). Once you get a load of FX in it it's a 2 person job to lift. Also, when you put the front and back on it's somewhat more bulky than you'd expect. Remember, rack units with built in PSU are heavy, and the rest have a wall wart. Unless you want to make up a special mains power distribution for the rack you'll also have the weight of plugboards. None of the items involved are particularly heavy on their own, but it all adds up. At the moment the "big rack" stays home, where it's very useful (as it has castors, I can move the mixer into the best position for monitoring very easily), but live I'm using an 8u Quickrack which is just a light metal frame. (and been using the mixer unpackaged) A lot depends on whether you have a van, help with lifting, or whether you keep your gear in a upstairs room. (me...no van...no help...upstairs) I don't know the size of the stuff you're considering, but you definately want to keep it as small as possible. If you're using the 2642 for sane stuff, rather than exploiting it's potential for re-routing a whole bunch of FX and Loopers then I'd expect you can work out something practical. The 2642 plus 2 or 3 rack units in a box would be manageable. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 06:41:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA09447; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 06:39:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 06:39:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021215113923.62191.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 03:39:23 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: PMC 10 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would also be interested in one they are definetly the best foot controllers ever.I regret selling mine but on the other hand it crashed on me a few times is this common by the PMC10s? wrote: > > Anybody know where I can buy a Digitech PMC 10???? > > -Arthur Lee > > www.arthurleemusic.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 08:41:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16681; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 08:33:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 08:33:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021215133311.7462.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 05:33:11 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: line 6 echo pro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3DFB54A9.8040504@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great unit, overdub,reverse,half speed,tap tempo, stereo(although the loops are mono i think) and great vintage delays (if you are not very picky about authencity).Everything is MIDI programmable (but be carefull you have to give one digit higher and i still haven�t figure out how i can programm the bypass switch effectively!)You can sync the delays to a drum machine etc.It seems very sturdy and it looks like christmas when you turn it on! it is also very quiet but i have to turn the output all the way to the right to get the desire gain.Anyway i highly recomend it great for studio work as well for the money you can�t ask for more! cheers L.a > I understood from this recent thread that these > beasties are going out > low these last times. > I'd like to ask fellow loopers here two things: one > that goes on topic: > what is the experience of the people here with one > as far as ovreall > sounds and possibilities first, and second, as far > as lopping in > concerned, and second: if anyone has an address, a > phone number of > wherever I can find one dirt cheap (remeber I live > in France, the "go to > see your local Mars Music store" isn't going to > work). > > Subsidiairy question: how the power line works ? can > you switch 110 to > 220 V ? is it an external power suppply ? > > Thanks in advance > > > Olivier Malhomme > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 09:42:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20989; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:41:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:41:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.134.51.186] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Elliot sharp's eight string guitar Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:34:19 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2002 14:34:20.0211 (UTC) FILETIME=[0DDE7030:01C2A447] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi David Elliott was nice enough to let me try his eight sting a few years back. He is a very cool guy! Doug Henderson built the 8 string. He was the guy who also made Elliott�s double neck guitar & Zeena Parkins�s electric harp, I don't remember the scale but at the time the bass strings were turned to E&B. I believe it was a maple guitar with an ebony fingerboard, 3 Bartolini Jbass pickups & there was no tone control. I had a real nice feel & wish my NS Stick would have been as good. The last few times I have seen Elliott play he was using a Boss GT3, whammy petal & a boomerang loop box. He also had a powerbook & I think it was running MAX. Cheers Lou >From: "d.swain" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "Loopers Delight mailing list" >Subject: Elliot sharp's eight string guitar >Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 01:39:21 -0000 > >Does anyone have any information on this ? >Im particulary interested in the scale length, electroinics and amps / fx >used > >David Swain > >d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk >www.onelessthannone.co.uk _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 10:00:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA21620; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:54:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:54:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003c01c2a448$74e069e0$8e83abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: References: <001301c2a3da$ca7ea290$3e57c350@p4> Subject: Re: Elliot sharp's eight string guitar Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:44:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have played Elliott's 8string when I was in ny with him. The spacing between the strings is fairly narrow, say like a klein/steinberger, if not narrower. Pick ups are bartolini for bass and it has just one output. He uses a Boss gt5 as main processor, a line 6 looper and a 2nd edition whammy. He goes in a fender twin or a bass amp. Sometimes he puts a mouse pad on the body to control the Max plug in of his Mac. The tuning is regular, the two added strings are below the low E string in steps of 4ths. My first reaction when I embraced her has been: wow ! and now how do I play this ? His (very long) fingers move as an octopus on that fingerboard! luca ------------------------------ www.unguitar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "d.swain" To: "Loopers Delight mailing list" Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 2:39 AM Subject: Elliot sharp's eight string guitar Does anyone have any information on this ? Im particulary interested in the scale length, electroinics and amps / fx used David Swain d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk www.onelessthannone.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 12:07:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31690; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 12:01:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 12:01:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.74.112.46] From: "Nick Schillace" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Behringer weight and mixer options Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:56:09 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2002 16:56:10.0070 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE23DF60:01C2A45A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I don't know the size of the stuff you're considering, >but you definately want to keep it as small as possible. >If you're using the 2642 for sane stuff, rather than exploiting >it's potential for re-routing a whole bunch of FX and Loopers >then I'd expect you can work out something practical. >The 2642 plus 2 or 3 rack units in a box would be manageable. Thanks. To elaborate a bit: I was going to rack an EDP/Echo Pro/Filter Factory/ and 1 or 2 other FX eventually (anyone use the MPX 200?). The 2642 just seems to be a great unit for expansion. I only need 4 channels (2 for gtr, 1 for the EDP and one for a boomrang), but I think it may be the only 6 aux Behringer and its only $250 now. Plus, I thought it was only a 7 space rack (if musicians friend is correct).I'd like to use the DJ shuttle but I don't think that unit leaves cable space like the gig rigs, so it's not really 8 usable spaces on top. Until recentely I have split my signal with a boss line selector to the two loopers and then to a couple of fenders. This is my big move to not only a rack, but also the utilization of a mixer. I'd love to know if anyone uses a mixer that might work and not be so heavy (and rackable). This list has revolutionized my musical life over the past couple of years. This is just another occasion where I have been considering gear and all of a sudden a thread on said unit starts. I don't say it enough or chime in, but thanks to all, this is a great voyeur list! Nick Schillace _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 12:21:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32545; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 12:20:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 12:20:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:08:45 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: line 6 echo pro In-reply-to: <20021215133311.7462.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20021215133311.7462.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:33 AM -0800 12/15/02, Louie Angulo wrote: >Everything is MIDI programmable (but be >carefull you have to give one digit higher Could you give more detail? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 12:53:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02067; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 12:52:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 12:52:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021215175239.39960.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:52:39 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: mixers in a loop rig To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000d01c2a376$d2e3ad40$38322697@server> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0WClnD.A.Ng.oFM_9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My biggest complaint with trying to use a mixer in my looping rig (as opposed to daisy-chaining effects) is that everything I use is stereo, and I haven't encountered any mixers that had stereo aux sends. So you have to use two effects sends, and alternate the channels. That means you can't turn something up in the send to an effects unit (like a reverb) without turning two knobs. Does anyone know of a mixer with stereo input channels and stereo efx sends? Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 13:43:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05757; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:42:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:42:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:42:55 -0500 Subject: Re: vst loop plugin From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would love to support any beta-testing efforts... i'm an Ableton Live user as well.. best, todd On 12/15/02 2:15 AM, "Paul Weissman" wrote: > > great ideas, richard. sounds like you've got a bit of a combination of > ableton's live and the little plug we're working on. > > the biggest limitations designing (and using) applications intended for live > use, in my experience, is in designing the input/control interaction with > the user. i personally dislike using the mouse for live performance... it > just seems to slow/inefficient. with a keyboard or midi inteface, one hand > can control many functions simultaneously and quickly. the trick then is to > come up with a small, but deep, enough set of controls and have them tied to > an interface with enough visual feedback to make the abstract controls > meaningful and familiar. > > and, of course, you want to design something that is practical enough to > implement. so what controls do you keep? which are the most fun to work > with live? > > i'm hearing the following features: > - input monitors > - visual overview of samples > - loop marker creation > - loop marker manipulation (sliding, changing length) > - independent loop start/end point manipulation (almost the same as the > last) > - multiple loops (only doing one per instance right now) > - keyboard loop triggering w/optional quantized trigger > (this is almost in there already, only via midi though) > - loop sequencing > > any other ideas from you guys? > > by the way, a lot of what you're talking about will be immediately available > with the combined use of a v-stack/console like application and several > instances of the plug we're building spread out on multiple effects slots. > nothing is stopping you from having multiple instances of 'looper' going > simultaneously. > > i'm really excited about these new vst effects shell apps. good chance that > they'll be extremely helpful to those of us who do live stuff via laptops. > > paul > > > >> From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] >> >> I usually "perform" on signal processors, with input coming from >> recordings or other players, as opposed to playing an instrument and >> capturing loops of what I've played. I'd like a user interface that >> lets me have a visual overview of the sound material and which will >> give me quick access to editing and signal routing. Therefore I'd >> like to be able to record multiple audio inputs into buffers that can >> be either fully independent or linked together as two-channel or >> multichannel recordings. Then I'd like to be able to loop sections of >> these recordings either by "dropping" markers or by drag-selecting >> segments. >> >> Once I've defined one or more loops I'd like to be able to slide them >> around, either by dragging with the mouse or by assigning a MIDI >> controller. I'd want to control the start and end points of the loops >> either independently or as a pair, so I could dynamically change the >> length of a loop or so I could slide it back and forth through the >> recorded material. It would be good to be able to do this with more >> than one loop simultaneously. >> >> It should be possible to define multiple loops within a recording and >> to assign the selection of these loops to a graphic or physical >> controller such as a MIDI or QWERTY keyboard. Jumping from one loop >> to another should be optionally either instant or queueable, so that >> each loop would play completely through before switching to the next. >> >> A refinement of this loop sequencing system would be to save >> sequences as presets that could then be triggered. This would allow >> the creation of multi-loop phrases. >> >> The user interface for this stuff could be complicated to design, but >> I'd like it to reflect graphically the "objectness" of the loops and >> loop sequences. >> >>> ALSO... we still need two or three more people to help us with our vst >>> plugin. anybody else want to help test/play with an early version of the >>> above concept? >> >> Sign me up. >> -- >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Richard Zvonar, PhD >> (818) 788-2202 >> http://www.zvonar.com >> http://RZCybernetics.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 13:58:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06429; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:58:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:58:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c2a46b$e69b0450$3e57c350@p4> From: "d.swain" To: References: Subject: Re: Elliot sharp's eight string guitar Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:58:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C2A46B.E6726DB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C2A46B.E6726DB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Tim and Lou, i'm finding it really hard to find any info on = Elliot's 8 string. Scale length wise it loks a little longer than a standard guitar. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Louis Rossi" To: Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 2:34 PM Subject: Re: Elliot sharp's eight string guitar > Hi David >=20 > Elliott was nice enough to let me try his eight sting a few years = back. He=20 > is a very cool guy! > Doug Henderson built the 8 string. He was the guy who also made = Elliott's=20 > double neck guitar & Zeena Parkins's electric harp, I don't remember = the=20 > scale but at the time the bass strings were turned to E&B. I believe = it was=20 > a maple guitar with an ebony fingerboard, 3 Bartolini Jbass pickups & = there=20 > was no tone control. I had a real nice feel & wish my NS Stick would = have=20 > been as good. The last few times I have seen Elliott play he was using = a=20 > Boss GT3, whammy petal & a boomerang loop box. He also had a powerbook = & I=20 > think it was running MAX. > Cheers > Lou >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > >From: "d.swain" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: "Loopers Delight mailing list" = > >Subject: Elliot sharp's eight string guitar > >Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 01:39:21 -0000 > > > >Does anyone have any information on this ? > >Im particulary interested in the scale length, electroinics and amps = / fx=20 > >used > > > >David Swain > > > >d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk > >www.onelessthannone.co.uk >=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*.=20 > http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/virus >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C2A46B.E6726DB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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> ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C2A46B.E6726DB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 14:06:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08225; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:06:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:06:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:00:24 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: vst loop plugin In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:15 PM -0800 12/14/02, Paul Weissman wrote: >great ideas, richard. sounds like you've got a bit of a combination of >ableton's live and the little plug we're working on. I've looked at Live but haven't worked with it. Most of my suggestions come from things I've either done with a variety of systems or are things I've wished I could do. For instance, the "windowing" effect of sliding start and end points around is something I've done with Max control over a pair of TC2290 delays. The same program allowed saving of presets on the fly. >i personally dislike using the mouse for live performance... it >just seems to slow/inefficient. Some tasks are appropriate for the mouse. For instance, my TC2290 controller allows quick and easy selection of a time point without having to either pre-assign a time value to a key or without having to slide through intermediate values. For example, suppose I'm looping a portion of a captured recording by setting start and end points (and further, suppose that the end point is linked to start point so that the "window" has a constant length). I can then jump from one time point to another with the click of a mouse: From here: [..................................................] ^----------------^ to here: [..................................................] ^----------------^ I could save each of these into a preset memory and then later recall them quickly. This is what I did on "Two in the Hand": http://thompsonresidence.com/audio/wsh/2001/02_zvonar.mp3 >i'm hearing the following features: >- input monitors >- visual overview of samples >- loop marker creation >- loop marker manipulation (sliding, changing length) >- independent loop start/end point manipulation (almost the same as the >last) >- multiple loops (only doing one per instance right now) >- keyboard loop triggering w/optional quantized trigger > (this is almost in there already, only via midi though) >- loop sequencing The creation and manipulation of the loop markers are the interesting parts. I've usually implemented an assortment of interrelated methods for setting and controlling these parameters: 1) graphic time line that can be clicked on with a mouse, 2) numeric value that can be directly entered from the computer keyboard, 3) MIDI continuous controller addressing each value. It's possible to introduce automation into this scheme, as I've sometimes done. For instance, a time point can be controlled by an LFO or other function. I've sometimes even used a random number generator to move a delay tap around, either jumping wildly trough the entire delay range or jiggling around in the neighborhood of a particular time point. I was doing most of this stuff about 10 years ago when my main looping device was the TC2290. Most of the time I was restricted to just a single channel, though in one collaborative project I had use of a second one that belonged to by partner. There's a necessary tradeoff that happens when you start adding channels, so you may choose to limit the variety of control methods used per channel. Let's suppose you're able to wrap your brain around a dozen parameters at once. You could do a lot a fancy manipulation of a single loop or you could do a simpler range of manipulations to four of them at once. Where do you want to put the complexity? BTW - Much of what I was doing with Max and the TC2290s can be done quite easily with a computer system such as Max/MSP or Kyma. Carl Stone is doing some marvelous things with Max/MSP and a lot of this is available on CD or on his Web site . Check out "Flints." -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 14:10:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08200; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:06:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:06:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 10:31:27 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: vst loop plugin In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:26 PM -0800 12/14/02, Paul Weissman wrote: >so i understand what you're saying... you would like to be able to record >ALL the input you're getting to the plugin and sequencer and then have this >automatically looped back on repeat? currently we haven't thought of >actually recording any received midi signals, but that is a possibility... >it definitely adds a great deal of complexity, but would be very >interesting. It would be useful for the looper to be able to recording incoming MIDI data, and for these data to be editable while it is playing. The recorded data should be optionally locked to the audio recordings or independent. For example, suppose you have a MIDI controller that regulates the loop playback tempo. You may want to use this to create a regular tempo fluctuation within the looping phrase, starting out at a steady tempo and the performing a ritardando during the second half of the phrase. Then you may want to shorten the audio loop by a couple of beats but keep the tempo fluctuation the same so that the tempo changes are applied progressively to different portions of the loop as it cycles. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 14:14:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08971; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:14:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:14:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:06:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: Behringer weight and mixer options Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:56 AM -0500 12/15/02, Nick Schillace wrote: >>I don't know the size of the stuff you're considering, >>but you definately want to keep it as small as possible. >>If you're using the 2642 for sane stuff, rather than exploiting >>it's potential for re-routing a whole bunch of FX and Loopers >>then I'd expect you can work out something practical. >>The 2642 plus 2 or 3 rack units in a box would be manageable. > >Thanks. To elaborate a bit: > >I was going to rack an EDP/Echo Pro/Filter Factory/ and 1 or 2 other >FX eventually (anyone use the MPX 200?). > >The 2642 just seems to be a great unit for expansion. I only need 4 >channels (2 for gtr, 1 for the EDP and one for a boomrang), but I >think it may be the only 6 aux Behringer and its only $250 now. >Plus, I thought it was only a 7 space rack (if musicians friend is >correct). Its 14 inches high, which I think works out to 9 spaces. Weight according to the spec is 6 kg. -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 14:19:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08948; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:14:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:14:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <12c.1dbec85a.2b2db006@aol.com> References: <12c.1dbec85a.2b2db006@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:01:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: -:) Re:Re: Behringer Re: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <2DeF6D.A.uLC.FSN_9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >If you're using the 2642 for sane stuff, Sane stuff -- this must be the wrong list-:) -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 14:21:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09652; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:21:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:21:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021215192058.58120.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:20:58 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: line 6 echo pro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1gBMY.A.tWC.5YN_9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Richard, you have to give one digit higher in the foot controller for example if i want patch 10 on the Echo pro i have to give an 11 in my MIDI pedal same deal if you want to send ccs.The rest of my equipment is normal and it took me a while to figure it out since i am not a Midi wizard.I don�t really understand it because in the manual PCs and CCs are listed from 0 to 127. Cheers L.a > > >Everything is MIDI programmable (but be > >carefull you have to give one digit higher > > Could you give more detail? > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 15:08:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14297; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:07:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:07:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <033701c2a475$690bb8e0$1f645cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: References: <20021213092851.61697.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Behringer Re: tones etc. frisell, mixers, and all things loopie Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:06:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" > I have the Eurouack 2642 $400, 16 channels in plus extra returns, > six sends, sounds great. I bought mine in 2001 at that price, too. It's now selling for $250!!!! A friend told me about it. He liked using mine and was quite surprised to find it at the new, lower price. BTW, that's 8 mic ins plus four stereo channels, for those not in the know on that one. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 15:58:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17144; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:55:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:55:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c2a47c$524133e0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: Subject: OT: Simplification -> stuff for sale!! Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:55:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi gang! I've made the move to simplifying my entire setup, and therefore I have the following stuff up for sale. I'm posting here because a lot of this stuff might appeal to the LD community. JPG pics are available upon request. Please contact me offlist if you are interested in any of these things. I'll wait until the middle of next week before I venture into the badlands of eBay. These prices do not include shipping/insurance. I'm willing to ship USPS or UPS, your preference. ========== Roland GR-1 Guitar Synth w/ expanded memory card and 13 pin cable - $200 Includes the SR-GR1-01 expanded sound library, bringing the total memory to 6MB, and doubling the available tones. Includes GR1 manual, power supply, and 30 foot 13-pin cable. Fripp still uses this one because of it's beautiful tones and flexibility. Roland GK-2A guitar synth pickup - $100 Designed for all of the GR series guitar synths, as well as the VG stuff. Perfect working condition. Includes mounting bracket for no-impact mounting of the GK-2A controller on your guitar. Also includes pickup mounting screws and springs for permanent pickup mount. I do not have the 2 sided tape for temporary installs, but you can get some at your local hardware store. Buy the GR-1 and the GK-2A - $250 Lexicon Vortex w/ power supply and manual - $100 The Vortex is a digital sound processor capable of phase, flange, chorus, tremolo, pan and vibrato effects with an analogue type sound. It is also a 2sec echo/looper or a dual 1sec echo. It can combine these effects in a number of ways. But.... setting up any two of these sounds you can blend seamlessly from one to another by a process known as morphing, and you can do this with footpedal control. Boss RPS-10 and RDD-20 in single space rack shelf w/ power supply - $200 The Boss RPS-10 is the well known delay, reverse delay and pitch shifter. Used by Adrian Belew to deliver his signature reverse guitar sound. The RDD-20 is lesser known, but also a beautiful tone monster. Regular and modulated delays, with tone controls that effect the echoes. This combo includes a Boss PSA 120T power supply and a daisy chain cable to link power from one box to the next. Tube Works Blue Tube preamp/overdrive pedal - $100 Warm things up with a 12AX7 tube and full tone controls (Hi, Mid, Low, Output and Drive). Very quiet and warm. Can go from clean tube to blues breakup and crunch. Perfect way to warm up a solid state rig. Electro Harmonix Small Clone Reissue w/ power supply and original wooden box - $40 You know this one. Considered by some to be the very best stompbox chorus available. Note that this comes with the proper EH power supply. Hughes & Kettner Jekyll & Hyde Overdrive/Distortion w/ One Spot power supply - $120 2 channel overdrive/disto stompbox. Jekyll channel sounds like the original TS808 and even uses the JRC4558 op-amp. Hyde channel goes from blues to metal and everything in between. EQ knob on Hyde changes from a flat EQ to a wild scooped mids sound, while the Sharp/Blunt switch allows you to get a very bright or more compressed sound. Sweet. Danelectro Free Speech Inline Talkbox - $50 Recently purchased and only used once for recording. Tube thoroughly cleaned with isopropyl alcohol! The Free Speech is an *inline* talkbox, so the sound shaped by your mouth is returned to your normal signal path, and sent to your normal amplifier. No need to an extra amp, or an extra microphone and PA. Amazing sounds out of this little bugger!! SKB 8 Space Roto Rack - $100 Like brand new. Removable front lid and back panel for easy access. Rackable Mount Depth: 17 3/4", Lid Depth: 2 1/4", Max. Int. Width: 17 3/4", Max. Int. Height: 15", Exterior Dimensions: 22" W, 21 3/4" D, 16 7/8" H, Weight: 13.5 lbs. Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Footswitch (EFC-7) - $80 Perfect condition. Just don't need it any more - I've gone MIDI for control. Boss PW-10 COSM Wah w/ Boss power supply - $100 I love this thing, but I'm letting it go because it's covered in my GT-6. This powerful pedal gives guitarists and bassists instant access to six classic and modern wah sounds, plus all-new "Voice" and "Double Resonance" modes which have never appeared in a wah pedal before. The V-Wah also includes onboard overdrive/booster effects, user memory and noise-free infrared pedal detection. 3 user memory locations allow players to store their favorite wah settings for quick recall via the heel pedal switch. Eight different kinds of built-in overdrive effects including BOSS classics such as the OD-1 OverDrive, OD-2 Turbo OverDrive, MT-2 Metal Zone, DS-1 Distortion, BD-2 Blues Driver, as well as special "Muff Fuzz," "Guv Dist" and Booster modes. Morley ABY Boxes (2 of them) - $30 each Passive ABY splitter box, with options for A only, B only, or A and B. Not a tone sucker at all, very small and thin, but extremely sturdy build. =========== Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 16:13:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19386; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 16:11:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 16:11:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021215211157.17865.qmail@web80105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:11:57 -0800 (PST) From: Kirkland Mack Subject: stuff I'm selling To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1548947922-1039986717=:16899" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1548947922-1039986717=:16899 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Blackbox Oxygen $155 exc Fuzz Factory $160 chipped paint Alesis Wedge $95 mint Yamaha DG100 212 $550 mint Ibanez STL $80 good Boss HR-2 Harmonist $75 good --0-1548947922-1039986717=:16899 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Blackbox Oxygen $155 exc
Fuzz Factory $160 chipped paint
Alesis Wedge $95 mint
Yamaha DG100 212 $550 mint
Ibanez STL $80 good
Boss HR-2 Harmonist $75 good
--0-1548947922-1039986717=:16899-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 17:18:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24278; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 17:17:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 17:17:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:17:55 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: line 6 echo pro In-reply-to: <20021215192058.58120.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1 References: <20021215192058.58120.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA24254 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:20 AM -0800 12/15/02, Louie Angulo wrote: >you have to give one digit higher in the foot controller for example >if i want patch 10 on the Echo pro i have to give an 11 in my MIDI >pedal same deal if >you want to send ccs.The rest of my equipment is normal and it took >me a while to figure it out since i am not a Midi wizard.I don�t >really understand it >because in the manual PCs and CCs are listed from 0 to 127. This is a common problem caused by the attempts of some manufacturers to make their equipment more user friendly (while actually making interfacing more confusing). In the real world of MIDI data, program changes range from 0 to 127 in decimal numbers, (this is the same as 00 to 7F in hexadecimal or 0000000 to 1111111 in binary numbers). Most humans prefer to count starting at 1 rather than 0, so these "helpful" manufacturers add 1 to the program numbers that the user sees in the interface. But not all manufacturers do this, so there can often be a mismatch between the user interfaces of two connected devices. If a controller is set up to send the "correct" MIDI program change message, then it will transmit program change "1" when you press the button that has been programmed to send program change "1". However, one of the "helpfully designed" controller devices will send out a program change of "0" when you press the button that you think has been programmed to send program change "1." This is OK as long as the receiving device has a similarly deceptive user interface. On the receiving en, devices that have been designed to display the "correct" MIDI program change will always have memory banks number starting at 0 and will load presets with the same number as the actual program change number they are receiving. I assume you are using the Behringer FCB1010. If you send out what "looks like" a program change message of "11" and you are recalling program "10" on the Line6 then this is due to Beringer being "helpful" in their design will Line6 is being "correct" in theirs. Check this out: http://www.patchwizard.com/pw_mig_FCB1010.htm -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 17:18:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24256; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 17:17:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 17:17:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:03:21 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: features for looper In-reply-to: <000201c2a45c$e9c14860$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: dennis@mail.worldserver.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <000201c2a45c$e9c14860$6501a8c0@mdbs.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:10 PM -0500 12/15/02, wrote: >Have you looked at the Looper Construction Kit manual? What you've >described is well within the capabilities of the LCK. This looks like a comprehensive system. I agree that the processing and control functions I've described are well covered. I've had the utmost respect for Kyma, and its creators Carla and Kurt, ever since I first got a demonstration from Carla at the ICMC at Banff in 1995. Somehow there has always been some reason I haven't taken the plunge, whether in was some earlier functional shortcomings (such as lack of compositional structuring or multichannel I/O - both long since fixed) or simply the lack of the price of admission ($3K and up). I have no doubt that sonically and functionally LCK is an "ultimate" looping environment, and it has the additional benefit of having ready access to all of Kyma's other sound generating and processing capabilities. The area where it doesn't address my utopian vision of an ideal sound capture and live manipulation environment is in the visual interface. My orientation is very much visual and I'm wishing for a sort of sonic fingerpainting environment. If I were playing an instrument into a looping device and then performing control functions with a pedal board it would be different, but I want to perform live the type of editing and processing that I can do on a digital workstation such as Pro Tools and the like. There are a few of these functions that can be done with the visual UI that I'm describing. GRM Tools has a "Freeze" plug-ing that alows you to drag-select a region of a scrolling waveform display and to put that region into looping mode. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 17:52:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26671; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 17:48:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 17:48:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021215224824.28246.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:48:24 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: OT: Guitar Collectors List? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone know of any good mailing lists/discussion groups specifically for guitar collectors? I'm not so interested in the usual Gibson/Fender/Martin stuff (about which there's LOTS of information readily available), but would like to learn more about some of the oddball '60's imports. I'll be thinning out my herd, and a few of my instruments appear to be rare-ish, so any info I can glean will be welcome. Thanks, -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 18:04:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29157; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:03:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:03:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:03:40 -0800 Subject: Re: OT: Simplification -> stuff for sale!! From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000f01c2a47c$524133e0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 12/15/02 12:55 PM, Doug Cox at dougcox@pdq.net wrote: > Boss RPS-10 and RDD-20 in single space rack shelf w/ power supply - $200 > The Boss RPS-10 is the well known delay, reverse delay and pitch shifter. > Used by Adrian Belew to deliver his signature reverse guitar sound. The > RDD-20 is lesser known, but also a beautiful tone monster. Regular and > modulated delays, with tone controls that effect the echoes. This combo > includes a Boss PSA 120T power supply and a daisy chain cable to link power > from one box to the next. One other note to people looking at this combo, my version of it used an RDD-10 and an RSD-10 (sampling delay). I stuck my volume pedal in between the two for some nice effects where the RDD-10 could build a lot of density that could then be faded into the longer delay. I can't comment on the RPS-10. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 18:04:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28812; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:01:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:01:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:01:08 -0800 Subject: Re: OT: Simplification -> stuff for sale!! From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000f01c2a47c$524133e0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 12/15/02 12:55 PM, Doug Cox at dougcox@pdq.net wrote: > The > RDD-20 is lesser known, but also a beautiful tone monster. Regular and > modulated delays, with tone controls that effect the echoes. I think you mean the RDD-10, but I'll agree that it's a very nice little box. It overloads in interesting ways as well when you crank the feedback and tone controls. But I've already got one so I'm afraid I'm not buying yours. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 18:09:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30307; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:09:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:09:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:09:12 -0800 Subject: Re: mixers in a loop rig From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021215175239.39960.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, please. A stereo oriented mixer would be a real blessing. Mark on 12/15/02 9:52 AM, Greg House at ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote: > My biggest complaint with trying to use a mixer in my looping rig (as opposed > to > daisy-chaining effects) is that everything I use is stereo, and I haven't > encountered any mixers that had stereo aux sends. So you have to use two > effects > sends, and alternate the channels. That means you can't turn something up in > the > send to an effects unit (like a reverb) without turning two knobs. > > Does anyone know of a mixer with stereo input channels and stereo efx sends? > > Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 18:26:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31815; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:25:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:25:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301c2a491$36c9c040$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: OT: Simplification -> stuff for sale!! Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 17:25:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, actually I *do* mean the RDD-20. I'm not sure of the evolution of these boxes, but I can confirm that mine is an RDD-20, not an RDD-10. Sounds like they are very similar. I can't find much formal info on the RDD-20, but there's a bit more on the RDD-10. Thanks for the comments! Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: "Looper's Delight" Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 5:01 PM Subject: Re: OT: Simplification -> stuff for sale!! > on 12/15/02 12:55 PM, Doug Cox at dougcox@pdq.net wrote: > > > The > > RDD-20 is lesser known, but also a beautiful tone monster. Regular and > > modulated delays, with tone controls that effect the echoes. > > I think you mean the RDD-10, but I'll agree that it's a very nice little > box. It overloads in interesting ways as well when you crank the feedback > and tone controls. But I've already got one so I'm afraid I'm not buying > yours. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 18:33:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32575; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:32:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:32:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:32:18 -0800 Subject: Re: OT: Simplification -> stuff for sale!! From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Okay. I just found a reference to an RDD-20 which I take it is a memory expanded version of the RDD-10. Mark on 12/15/02 3:01 PM, Mark Hamburg at mark_hamburg@baymoon.com wrote: > on 12/15/02 12:55 PM, Doug Cox at dougcox@pdq.net wrote: > >> The >> RDD-20 is lesser known, but also a beautiful tone monster. Regular and >> modulated delays, with tone controls that effect the echoes. > > I think you mean the RDD-10, but I'll agree that it's a very nice little > box. It overloads in interesting ways as well when you crank the feedback > and tone controls. But I've already got one so I'm afraid I'm not buying > yours. > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 21:18:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13120; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 21:16:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 21:16:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <6a.2aaf5ff1.2b2e9148@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 21:15:36 EST Subject: NJ Gig To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 11 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Adelante" (duo format) Paul Mimlitsch-Guitar/Loops and Textures J. Jody Janetta-Fretless Bass/Percussion Friday 12/20 8:00pm to 10:00pm The Deep End Cafe 75 So. Union Street Lambertville, NJ (609)773-0380 Adelante: http://members.aol.com/jodanpaul/adelante.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ----------------------- Headers --------------------- >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 21:24:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13697; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 21:22:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 21:22:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021215200855.03a02008@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:30:05 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Duke Sexton Subject: Re: Behringer weight and mixer options In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:56 AM 12/15/2002 -0500, Nick Schillace wrote: >The 2642 just seems to be a great unit for expansion. I only need 4 >channels (2 for gtr, 1 for the EDP and one for a boomrang), but I think it >may be the only 6 aux Behringer and its only $250 now. Plus, I thought it >was only a 7 space rack (if musicians friend is correct).I'd like to use >the DJ shuttle but I don't think that unit leaves cable space like the gig >rigs, so it's not really 8 usable spaces on top. In addition to SKB, check out the cases made by Gator (http://www.gatorcases.com). They're a direct competitor to SKB, and have comparable products with slightly different configurations. One of their DJ Consoles may offer you enough cable space, but take a look for yourself and see. I just picked up one of the Gator 12-space racks, rather than an SKB. Price was actually a bit lower than the SKB, but the deciding factor for me was the fact that the Gator has rear rails on it (not so on the SKB's). Thus, I don't have to waste my front rack spaces on items I don't actually touch after setup, like my quad DI box and dedicated EQ unit. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 22:05:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17220; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 22:00:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 22:00:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021215183752.022f9ce0@mail.mindspring.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:01:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: PMC 10 In-Reply-To: <20021215113923.62191.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got two. They both will crash doing MIDI dumps if I've used more than so many bytes of memory - but luckily they will accept MIDI dumps of my setups at this point, so modifications are done on the PC and then dumped back to the PMC10. At some point they lock up while accepting dumps if the dump is too large. One of my mine handles expression pedals better than the other but it also has a tendency to lose its patches (the battery probably needs to be replaced). They show up on ebay but the last two PMC10 auctions I've seen insanely went for around $500! At 03:39 AM 2002/12/15, Louie Angulo wrote: >I would also be interested in one they are definetly >the best foot controllers ever.I regret selling mine >but on the other hand it crashed on me a few times is >this common by the PMC10s? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 23:15:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21736; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 23:14:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 23:14:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: NEW LIVE GIG MP3 Download Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 23:13:13 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [vsbiglist] RE: SV: Re: Dynamics in recorded music Thread-Index: AcKkqK8Fo4gIYnFZRfq5C/yk5VimDAAEZiNA From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "VS Big List" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2002 04:13:13.0745 (UTC) FILETIME=[73BCC010:01C2A4B9] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id XAA21715 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I Played another gig last night and this one was cool.well, I used a crate solid state combo amp, digitech rp-50 pedal,boomerang pedalboard and it was recorded in mono with one sm57beta mic using a Roland vs-880 (one track).You can check it out at: http://www.dtguitar.com/spoondec14.mp3 or just visit my webpage at http://www.dtguitar.com and there is a link. Cool, I will play 2 more shows at the venue before the year is out and then some in January. WEll, let me know what you think, alwys interesting to hear feedback as every show I play is different material and setups as the material is improvised. Thanks Denis Denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com Official release: Denis played a set at the Runciple Spoon, Bloomington, IN Saturday December 14th,2002. this small, Low Key venue which at times creates some of the best performances do to its small size and cozy interior. Denis played regular guitar and guitar loops done on the fly at this venue. Denis played more atmospheric improvised compositions for this show. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 15 23:47:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23408; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 23:42:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 23:42:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cave@pop1.osk.3web.ne.jp X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Version 5.0.1-Jr1 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:42:03 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: [webcast/gig info] 12/17 "TOG in C.U.E." Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4bEGyD.A.qtF.hmV_9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello LD, This is information of our series Internet broadcast live gig from Kobe,Japan. It called "Live from Far East". Vol.18 performance is 17th Dec. 2002 You can see our gig via Real Player. Please visit below: http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east or http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east/broadcast "TOG in C.U.E." ELECTRO-ACOUSTIC NIGHT [performances] tog (from San Francisco/USA) http://www.tognet.org hypo (from France) http://membres.lycos.fr/hypo/ digital gonzales! (from LA/USA) http://www.calarts.edu/~bbreeck/home.html DARUIN + Sunao Inami + Machiko Kitagawa + Emi Makino + Hiromi Shirai (from Osaka&Kobe) http://www.cavestudio.com http://www.neus318.com http://member.nifty.ne.jp/SUSANOCLUB/ [visuals] vj m. flickering works by special [k]alarts [k]ids http://www.calarts.edu/schools/film/index.html 19:00 - 22:00 (JST) = 10:00 - 13:00 (GMT) = 2:00 - 5:00 (PST) = 5:00 - 8:00 (EST) The World Clock - Time Zones http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ Download flyer http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east/flyer/1217_out_ver9.jpg ------ More Info and contacts: C.U.E. http://www.cavestudio.org/cue cue@cavestudio.org CAPHOUSE #314, 3-19-8 Yamamoto Dori, Chuo-ku Kobe,Japan 650-0003 Tel & Fax : +81 (0)78-241-9389 ------ Previous gig's photos available on "Flash Back" http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east/flashback _____________________ Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 01:20:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30162; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 01:20:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 01:20:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c2a4cb$16510500$a31d7344@schererfamily> From: "Ted Scherer" To: References: <161.1881e793.2b2b5fc2@aol.com> Subject: Re: In need of help Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 00:19:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, i was wondering if u ever got to see my list of equipment. if not please let me know and ill type away. Thanks, Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 10:07 AM Subject: Re: In need of help > Hi Ted, > > In a message dated 12/13/02 1:08:15 AM, Ted82@charter.net writes: > > >Hi...I just subscribed to loopers and don't know exactly how this works > >but ill give it a try. Anyways, i have been saving and buying and saving > >and buying for 2 years now to get some really good equipment for a guitar > >rack. I'm finally where i want to be, but the only problem is wiring the > >thing. I'm a rookie at this and since this is such a complex rig im sure > >ill learn more than enough after its all wired. Well' if anyone could > >help me by drawing up a diagram or some kinda schematic it would > >be great!!! So i'll list all my equipment for whoever can try and help me > >out. Thanks, Ted! > > Gee, that seems weird for some reason. Not many other Teds on this list. > Heck, other than my son and my father I hardly KNOW any other Teds. > > Well, enough of that for now. I play guitar, I use a rack system (have > done so for over a dozen years now). A couple of years ago I expanded > from 12 spaces to 16 spaces. Can't claim to be a total expert but I figure > I have tried as many options as there are and have made all the mistakes > there are to make on the way to getting MY tone (so far as that goes). > > I don't know if I can help but fire away whenever you're ready with that > list. I bet a significant number of guitar geeks on the LD list will have all > sorts of good ideas for you. Tell us what you've got. I suppose if your > intended rack setup contains a looper of some sort somewhere in the > signal chain it won't be considered too "off topic" for this list. > > Best, > > tEd � kiLLiAn > > http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 01:51:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31636; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 01:48:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 01:48:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: mixers in a loop rig and OT: Behringer mixers Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:49:59 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c2a4cf$5a5cc550$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know I sometimes sound like an endorsee (and currently are confronted with a complete system failure of the bus/DSP structure of a brand new unit), but: Behringer DDX3216. These options (aux mono/stereo) are configurable. And you might be able to use the dedicated faders for the routing to the 16 busses (selectable pre/post) for related applications. While we're talking about Behringer mixers with regard to reliability issues: I've never had one of their mixers going down on me (apart from the forementioned DDX, which came defective from the start), but if it's true what "they" say about reliability in comparison to, say, a Mackie: I figure that system failure on a mixer is contacts or pots starting to go bad slowly. So a mixer which starts to act up strangely mid-performance is not a show stopper (question to you all: is this correct ?), as long as I do repair/replace it before the next show. The price ratio of a Behringer MX2642A to the roughly comparable Mackie 1642 VLZ Pro is 1:5. So I can simply buy two mixers and always swap them, and two years later (when the minimum warranty in Germany has ended) simply buy two more and still be better off compared to the mackie! Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com] > Sent: Montag, 16. Dezember 2002 00:09 > To: Looper's Delight > Subject: Re: mixers in a loop rig > > > Yes, please. A stereo oriented mixer would be a real blessing. > > Mark > > on 12/15/02 9:52 AM, Greg House at ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote: > > > My biggest complaint with trying to use a mixer in my > looping rig (as opposed > > to > > daisy-chaining effects) is that everything I use is stereo, > and I haven't > > encountered any mixers that had stereo aux sends. So you > have to use two > > effects > > sends, and alternate the channels. That means you can't > turn something up in > > the > > send to an effects unit (like a reverb) without turning two knobs. > > > > Does anyone know of a mixer with stereo input channels and > stereo efx sends? > > > > Greg > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 02:06:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01439; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 02:04:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 02:04:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c2a4d1$8cd848e0$1d322697@server> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021215200855.03a02008@icicle.net> Subject: Re: Behringer weight and mixer options Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:05:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Also you could try the Warwick Rockbox. All metal, with above the space for the mixers and in front 3 or 4 rack spaces. There are various models (related to almost any rack mixer model). Now I'm getting one for my digital mixer, soundcard and compressors. They look pretty resistant and don't weight a ton. Peace Luigi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duke Sexton" To: Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 3:30 AM Subject: Re: Behringer weight and mixer options > At 11:56 AM 12/15/2002 -0500, Nick Schillace wrote: > > >The 2642 just seems to be a great unit for expansion. I only need 4 > >channels (2 for gtr, 1 for the EDP and one for a boomrang), but I think it > >may be the only 6 aux Behringer and its only $250 now. Plus, I thought it > >was only a 7 space rack (if musicians friend is correct).I'd like to use > >the DJ shuttle but I don't think that unit leaves cable space like the gig > >rigs, so it's not really 8 usable spaces on top. > > In addition to SKB, check out the cases made by Gator > (http://www.gatorcases.com). They're a direct competitor to SKB, and have > comparable products with slightly different configurations. One of their > DJ Consoles may offer you enough cable space, but take a look for yourself > and see. > > I just picked up one of the Gator 12-space racks, rather than an > SKB. Price was actually a bit lower than the SKB, but the deciding factor > for me was the fact that the Gator has rear rails on it (not so on the > SKB's). Thus, I don't have to waste my front rack spaces on items I don't > actually touch after setup, like my quad DI box and dedicated EQ unit. > > -c- > > _____ > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > -recoil > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 02:28:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03539; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 02:26:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 02:26:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000601c2a4d4$784b0680$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <200212150141.UAA32247@hemlock.violacea.com> <3DFC4A57.4050107@wanadoo.fr> Subject: Re: Fripp Fuzz Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 02:26:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop015.verizon.net from [68.160.11.220] at Mon, 16 Dec 2002 01:26:18 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <45XGvD.A.J3.5AY_9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try a Fuzz Factory. Like a hot date, it'll destroy you and you'll love it! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 03:39:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA08185; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 03:20:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 03:20:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c2a4dc$764e5280$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <6a.2aaf5ff1.2b2e9148@aol.com> Subject: Re: NJ Gig Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:19:30 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com put forth: > "Adelante" (duo format) > Paul Mimlitsch-Guitar/Loops and Textures > J. Jody Janetta-Fretless Bass/Percussion > > Friday 12/20 > 8:00pm to 10:00pm > The Deep End Cafe > 75 So. Union Street > Lambertville, NJ > (609)773-0380 > > Adelante: > http://members.aol.com/jodanpaul/adelante.html > Cool stuff abounds! I remember Lambertville as being a nice little town. You can't swing a dead cat in New Jersey without hitting something to do with the Revolutionary War, you know. A search on the web reveals that they've got their on-line act together in Lambertville (lambertville.org) And a map too, which might be useful to some traveling to the show: http://www.nolegsneeded.com/a1lambertvilleai.html Have a great one! S.P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 03:55:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09985; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 03:52:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 03:52:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021216085153.93713.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 00:51:53 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: PMC 10 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20021215183752.022f9ce0@mail.mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can just imagine how i looked after months of programming the damn thing and all of the sudden it crashed before a gig.I was actually very happy when i sold it but no foot controller i�ve own so far does what the PMC 10 did.I am quite happy with my FCB 1010 (it seems to be reliable until know) if they it would do momentary toggle switch like the PMC10 it would be awsome.This is important when i mute tracks on the repeater, sometimes after doing so much tap dancing i can�t tell which one is muted or not.I wrote behringer about this and they told me if enough people request an O.S. upgrade they will do it. cu L.a --- Sean Echevarria wrote: > I've got two. They both will crash doing MIDI dumps > if I've used more than > so many bytes of memory - but luckily they will > accept MIDI dumps of my > setups at this point, so modifications are done on > the PC and then dumped > back to the PMC10. At some point they lock up while > accepting dumps if the > dump is too large. One of my mine handles > expression pedals better than > the other but it also has a tendency to lose its > patches (the battery > probably needs to be replaced). > > They show up on ebay but the last two PMC10 auctions > I've seen insanely > went for around $500! > > > At 03:39 AM 2002/12/15, Louie Angulo wrote: > >I would also be interested in one they are > definetly > >the best foot controllers ever.I regret selling > mine > >but on the other hand it crashed on me a few times > is > >this common by the PMC10s? > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 04:15:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA12445; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 04:14:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 04:14:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021216091413.24127.qmail@web40505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 01:14:13 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: line 6 echo pro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard thanx for the info mate! cheers L.a > At 11:20 AM -0800 12/15/02, Louie Angulo wrote: > > >you have to give one digit higher in the foot > controller for example > >if i want patch 10 on the Echo pro i have to give > an 11 in my MIDI > >pedal same deal if > >you want to send ccs.The rest of my equipment is > normal and it took > >me a while to figure it out since i am not a Midi > wizard.I don�t > >really understand it > >because in the manual PCs and CCs are listed from 0 > to 127. > > This is a common problem caused by the attempts of > some manufacturers > to make their equipment more user friendly (while > actually making > interfacing more confusing). > > In the real world of MIDI data, program changes > range from 0 to 127 > in decimal numbers, (this is the same as 00 to 7F in > hexadecimal or > 0000000 to 1111111 in binary numbers). Most humans > prefer to count > starting at 1 rather than 0, so these "helpful" > manufacturers add 1 > to the program numbers that the user sees in the > interface. But not > all manufacturers do this, so there can often be a > mismatch between > the user interfaces of two connected devices. If a > controller is set > up to send the "correct" MIDI program change > message, then it will > transmit program change "1" when you press the > button that has been > programmed to send program change "1". However, one > of the "helpfully > designed" controller devices will send out a program > change of "0" > when you press the button that you think has been > programmed to send > program change "1." This is OK as long as the > receiving device has a > similarly deceptive user interface. > > On the receiving en, devices that have been designed > to display the > "correct" MIDI program change will always have > memory banks number > starting at 0 and will load presets with the same > number as the > actual program change number they are receiving. I > assume you are > using the Behringer FCB1010. If you send out what > "looks like" a > program change message of "11" and you are recalling > program "10" on > the Line6 then this is due to Beringer being > "helpful" in their > design will Line6 is being "correct" in theirs. > > Check this out: > > http://www.patchwizard.com/pw_mig_FCB1010.htm > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 07:59:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA25866; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:54:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:54:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-18.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1040043266!26272 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA43@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] re: behringer desks etc. Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:48:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2A501.64A991A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A501.64A991A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>I was also given this advice from some experienced pro users, they said a Behringer won't last as long as a Mackie.<<< I bought the 2802 (which looks almost the same as the 2642, rackmountable &= c but 2-buss and more inputs) when you still had to pay full price for thes= e things; about =A3700. I have never had a fault on it, nor any complaints = about it's sonic or build quality, and it's been bounced around and done a = few gigs..... it may aswell say "mackie" on it for all the difference betwe= en the brands. I have other bits of behringer stuff too. it will last longe= r than a soundcraft. anyway. today my adrenalinn arrived. have read the booklet. can't wait to get home = and run the fender VI through it. still waiting for 2 x simpletech 128Mb ca= rds and 2 x upgrade chips for our jam-men. the hell with christmas tv, I wa= nt to loop. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may=20 not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct=20 and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A501.64A991A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] re: behringer desks etc.

>>>I was also given this advice from some experi= enced pro users, they said
a Behringer won't last as long as a Mackie.<<<<= /FONT>

I bought the 2802 (which looks almost the same as the 264= 2, rackmountable &c but 2-buss and more inputs) when you still had to p= ay full price for these things; about =A3700. I have never had a fault on i= t, nor any complaints about it's sonic or build quality, and it's been boun= ced around and done a few gigs..... it may aswell say "mackie" on= it for all the difference between the brands. I have other bits of behring= er stuff too. it will last longer than a soundcraft.

anyway.

today my adrenalinn arrived. have read the booklet. can't= wait to get home and run the fender VI through it. still waiting for 2 x s= impletech 128Mb cards and 2 x upgrade chips for our jam-men. the hell with = christmas tv, I want to loop.

duncan/r.m.i.

>>> Whoah, hey, how do you do that?
the evolutions are modified so that a volume pedal can b= e plugged straight in the back, and the onboard volume control then adjusts= the upper limit of the pedal, returning to it's normal function when the p= edal is unplugged. why oh why aren't they like this when you buy them? god = knows it's simple enough...... <<

basic soldering skills required.
the volume pot in the keyboard has a fixed voltage at on= e end and is grounded at the other. the wire coming off the middle carries = the actual control voltage representing the position of the control.

you take this wire off and connect the middle tag of the = pot to the /end/ of the pot in your pedal, ground the other end of the pot = in the pedal and bring back the middle connection to the wire you have left= over.

a regular stereo jack socket can be used, if you can find= somewhere in the controller keyboard to mount it. there's usually room nea= r the other sockets.

also, you should arrange that the tip and ring connection= s are shorted together when the pedal is unplugged; this restores the onboa= rd control to normal action. beware that you don't create a situation where= the fixed voltage could be shorted to ground- the onboard pot's centre tag= should go to the tip connection and the pedal's pot's centre tag should be= the ring connection.

now you should have the onboard control governing the max= imum voltage that can appear across the pedal's pot. wherever the onboard c= ontrol is, it will determine the loudest the signal can be, while either co= ntrol can be used to fade the signal to nothing. and the pedal can't go lou= der than the onboard pot is set.

I just don't know why keyboards don't come like this. it'= s much simpler than editing pedal control parameters in every patch.....

duncan/r.m.i.

>>I can't comment on the RPS-10.<<

I have an rps10 and an rpd10 (I think- the stereo panning= delay anyway), and one of the two- I can't remember which but I think it's= the rps10, has a socket on the back marked "freeze" or somesuch.= there's not much memory in the thing- about a second or so- but it will st= ore a sound indefinitely while powered and let you change the pitch.=

duncan/r.m.i.

I have=20 one too what you refered to as freeze is labeled hold, what I can't = remember is=20 what to plug into it to use this feature. Anyone=20 use this with any success then please let me or anyone else know. The = jack type=20 is 1/4 inch I guess I could experiment, but I would rather not screw the = unit up=20 by wiring it up wrong.

-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 goddard.duncan@mtvne.com [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com] =
Sent:=20 Monday, December 16, 2002 8:19 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: [looper's] RE: = OT: 1/2=20 rack boss delays

>>I can't comment on the = RPS-10.<<

I have an rps10 and an rpd10 (I think- the stereo = panning=20 delay anyway), and one of the two- I can't remember which but I think = it's the=20 rps10, has a socket on the back marked "freeze" or somesuch. there's = not much=20 memory in the thing- about a second or so- but it will store a sound=20 indefinitely while powered and let you change the pitch.

duncan/r.m.i.

------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C2A4E5.99B53190-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 09:45:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04324; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:42:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:42:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-23.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1040049716!32910 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA4A@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: [looper's] RE: OT: 1/2 rack boss delays Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:35:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2A510.68F2AF30" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A510.68F2AF30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> I have one too what you refered to as freeze is labeled hold, what I can't remember is what to plug into it to use this feature. Anyone use this with any success then please let me or anyone else know. The jack type is 1/4 inch I guess I could experiment, but I would rather not screw the unit up by wiring it up wrong. << oh, it's just join the two wires together. any old switch. I used to use a momentary footswitch so that you had to push the switch to unfreeze it. this way you could "grab" tiny bits of audio in on the fly...... I'm pretty sure that I used it at least once on stage, when I couldn't face lugging my old powertran mcs1 (now /there's/ a freezer box from the past) and before we got a second jam-man. much as I like being able to adjust tempo and pitch separately (repeater), the rps1 and the mcs1 just had pitch controls that would slow the frozen audio down aswell as detune it. (or speed it up, of course...). sometimes I still prefer that- I must train the repeater to do it somehow... duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A510.68F2AF30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Message

>> I have one too what you refered to as freeze is labeled hold, what I can't remember is what to plug into it to use this feature. Anyone use this with any success then please let me or anyone else know. The jack type is 1/4 inch I guess I could experiment, but I would rather not screw the unit up by wiring it up wrong. <<

oh, it's just join the two wires together. any old switch. I used to use a momentary footswitch so that you had to push the switch to unfreeze it. this way you could "grab" tiny bits of audio in on the fly...... I'm pretty sure that I used it at least once on stage, when I couldn't face lugging my old powertran mcs1 (now /there's/ a freezer box from the past) and before we got a second jam-man.

much as I like being able to adjust tempo and pitch separately (repeater), the rps1 and the mcs1 just had pitch controls that would slow the frozen audio down aswell as detune it. (or speed it up, of course...). sometimes I still prefer that- I must train the repeater to do it somehow...

duncan/r.m.i.

Hey=20 thanks for the info I just pulled the rps-10 out of mothballs and I = still think=20 its handy, but I need to get the hold switch and controls going, so I = can render=20 it useful again.

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 goddard.duncan@mtvne.com [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com] =
Sent:=20 Monday, December 16, 2002 9:36 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: [looper's] = RE: OT:=20 1/2 rack boss delays

>> I have one too what = you=20 refered to as freeze is labeled hold, what I can't remember is what to = plug=20 into it to use this feature. = Anyone use=20 this with any success then please let me or anyone else know. The jack = type is=20 1/4 inch I guess I could experiment, but I would rather not screw the = unit up=20 by wiring it up wrong. <<

oh, it's just join the two wires together. = any old=20 switch. I used to use a momentary footswitch so that you had to push = the=20 switch to unfreeze it. this way you could "grab" tiny bits of audio in = on the=20 fly...... I'm pretty sure that I used it at least once on stage, when = I=20 couldn't face lugging my old powertran mcs1 (now /there's/ a freezer = box from=20 the past) and before we got a second=20 jam-man.

much as I like being able to adjust tempo = and pitch=20 separately (repeater), the rps1 and the mcs1 just had pitch controls = that=20 would slow the frozen audio down aswell as detune it. (or speed it up, = of=20 course...). sometimes I still prefer that- I must train the repeater = to do it=20 somehow...

duncan/r.m.i. ********************************************************= ******************* CONFIDENTIALITY=20 NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the = ordinary=20 user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may = also be=20 privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may = not copy,=20 forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form = whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please = e-mail the=20 sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right = to=20 monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for = the=20 purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV = communication=20 equipment. MTV Networks=20 = Europe ***************************************************************= ************

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2A4F5.A30A4FE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 14:11:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27410; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:03:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:03:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a201c2a503$541b37b0$0df8c440@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <161.1881e793.2b2b5fc2@aol.com> <002901c2a4cb$16510500$a31d7344@schererfamily> Subject: Re: In need of help Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:02:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ted- i sent you an email privately (ted82@charter.net) ...did you ever get it? -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 14:44:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30051; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:43:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:43:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: live mp3 of looping gig , INdiana Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:43:29 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: In need of help Thread-Index: AcKlNikXUynLKcY6SymsPNXtb+eUswAB6/Kw From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2002 19:43:29.0571 (UTC) FILETIME=[688FE730:01C2A53B] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA30030 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I Played another gig last night and this one was cool.well, I used a crate solid state combo amp, digitech rp-50 pedal,boomerang pedalboard and it was recorded in mono with one sm57beta mic using a Roland vs-880 (one track).You can check it out at: http://www.dtguitar.com/spoondec14.mp3 or just visit my webpage at http://www.dtguitar.com and there is a link. Cool, I will play 2 more shows at the venue before the year is out and then some in January. WEll, let me know what you think, alwys interesting to hear feedback as every show I play is different material and setups as the material is improvised. Thanks Denis Denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com Official release: Denis played a set at the Runciple Spoon, Bloomington, IN Saturday December 14th,2002. this small, Low Key venue which at times creates some of the best performances do to its small size and cozy interior. Denis played regular guitar and guitar loops done on the fly at this venue. Denis played more atmospheric improvised compositions for this show. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 15:13:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01428; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:10:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:10:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <200212160915.EAA12535@hemlock.violacea.com> <3DFDF3A4.70B2A6BA@ernieball.com> Subject: Re: Stereo Mixers Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:12:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2002 20:10:25.0408 (UTC) FILETIME=[2BAD1000:01C2A53F] Resent-Message-ID: <3B4pDB.A.OW.QNj_9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use the mackie 1402, which has two stereo sends: Alt3/4 and control-room out. Both sends are selectable by channel, and feature a pre/post fader toggle. Jon > I like the Mackie LM-3204, which has two mono and two stereo effect > sends (only the mono OR the stereo are available at any given time per > channel). All of its inputs are mono/stereo. The MONITOR bus also > makes a nice stereo send, as does the AUX 3/4 bus. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 15:44:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04330; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:40:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:40:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021216122452.038d6ca0@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:48:30 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Duke Sexton Subject: Re: Re: Behringer weight and mixer options In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:27 AM 12/16/2002 -0500, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: >Have you considered a 1u mixer, there's a number >of options available. Well you'd have to troll the used market, but since I'm using 'em myself let me throw in a plug for the Simmons SPM 8:2. It's 1U rackmount with 8-in, 2-out, 2 mono effect send/returns and a headphone output. Each channel has individual high, low, and sweepable parametric mid for EQ. In addition, 128 presets can be stored then individually recalled via MIDI. You can control/store the rate that the each individual presets will "fade" from one program to the next, giving you rough scene-automation capability. Also, there are built in tremelo and phase effects that may be applied individually to each channel. Caveats are that individual units can be a bit noisy (especially earlier software revs; most of the biggest problems were worked out by ROM revision 3 or 4, though). You can pretty much take care of that, however, by carefully setting the trim pot on each channel when first setting up the unit. I've got four SPM 8:2's -- two earlier and two later models -- and now that I've got their input gain properly tuned I can tell the difference between them if I try, but only just. Also, the front panel controls can be a bit fiddly (then again, I've got pretty big fingers) but they're cramming a whole buncha functions into a 1U faceplate. These little guys creep up every once in a while on Ebay for pretty decent prices. I see one went a couple weeks ago for $90 and... good gods, somebody turned one around for $27, as well. Anyway, looks like you could get a good deal on one of these if you keep an eye out. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 17:59:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17114; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:56:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:56:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DFE4C40.DAAB9923@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:57:20 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Lexicon MPX200 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did briefly. I thought it was a good value for the money, and synching things to a MIDI clock was a no brainer. Unfortunatly, it did not do any filter effects, so I upgraded to the Lexicon MPX1. I love it! So very versitile. You've got to work with it to get what you want, but once you do you can really get amazing effects from this box. Mark Sottilaro SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > > (anyone use the MPX 200?). > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 18:27:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20421; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:26:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:26:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011101c2a55a$62cae920$8064f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200212161541.KAA10310@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: LOOPING TOUR of EUROPE/BRITISH ISLES 2003 (Looking for loopers to play with) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:25:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loopers in Europe and the British Isles, I am embarking on a solo live looping tour of Europe and the British Isles this coming summer. I already have dates tentatively in Sweden, Germany,Switzerland, Italy, France, the British Isles and Spain. I would love it if anyone would be interested in helping me to find a gig or produce a LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL in your home town during my trip. I will probably be in Sweden for the last two weeks of May; in Northern Continental Europe for the first couple of weeks of June, in the British Isles for the last couple of weeks of June and in Southern Europe for the first couple of weeks of July. These times are still tentative and will solidify as more dates get booked. I would love to book more gigs in Norway, Finland, Holland, Denmark, Belgium and Germany. I would also love to book a gig or two in Scotland which I would dearly love to visit. How I'm doing most shows is joining a local looper who will do a solo set, then I will do a solo set and then we will finish off the evening (or afternoon) with a duet improvisational set. What I would need from anyone willing to help me book a gig would would be: 1) for you to book a venue for a performance: a) in can be a paid performance or a free performance whichever is the easiest to produce b) I have a lot of experience booking gigs and festivals so I can advise you if you feel like taking on such a project but don't have experience yourself c) the venue could be: a house concert, a pub, a coffeeshop, a bookstore a museum, an art gallery, a nightclub, an outdoor ampitheater.........IT DOES NOT have to be a typical place for presenting music........I have convinced many coffee shops and bookstores to host a free concert. 2) to have a place for my wife and I to stay (including throwing a sleeping bag) that is a CAT-FREE environment (because I am deathly allergic to the cute little creatures) or recommendations for an inexpensive hotel that we can stay at. 3) willingness to publicize the gig (which I can help with as my new website should be launching at the start of the new year with photos, vid clips, audio clips, bios and press) 4) P.A. speakers, an amplifier and , hopefully (but not necessarily) monitors (I will be travelling with a Mackie 1402 mixer, microphones, effects and instruments). If more than one looper from your town or area participates we can call the show a Looping Festival which will allow us to get two to three times as much publicity and two to three times as many people. Please e-mail me off list if this interests you or if you want to help me out. GLOBAL@cruzio.com I will, of course, be willing to do the same thing here in California for anyone who helps me out. I look forward to meeting you and gigging with you. yours, appreciatively, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 18:35:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21071; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:34:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:34:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <8c.21502f11.2b2fbce2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:33:54 EST Subject: gig spam-pittsburgh-12/17/02 To: klobucha@zoominternet.net, stevepariser@msn.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8c.21502f11.2b2fbce2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_8c.21502f11.2b2fbce2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HAY!, here's the scoop on tamari nite, ill be sitting in with "clutter" aka "the bush puppets" and makin some loops.....michael (who is, alas not mr.funky) Mr. Roboto Project 722 Wood Street Wilkinsburg, PA 15221 412-247-9639 Mr. Funky here, announcing the KEEP OUT show at mr. roboto tomorrow evening (tuesday, december 17, 7:30, $3). KEEP OUT, that is, unless you want to hear baffling, grotty, hysterical, ecstatic music. i'll be playing my UNFINISHED SYMPHONIES, including my latest compositions FAILURE IS AN OPTION and CATNIP FOR THE LADIES. i'll also be unleashing and celebrating the inherent sappiness of SILVER BELLS. also on the bill: everybody's favorite erotic therapist, the STOIC SEX PRO. also on the bill: the best bent jazz band west of 52nd street, CLUTTER. we'll all be exploring the "playing with feeling" paradigm. it's elastic and it's a concept. --part1_8c.21502f11.2b2fbce2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HAY!, here's the scoop on tamari nite, ill be sitting in with "clutter" aka "the bush puppets" and makin some loops.....michael (who is, alas not mr.funky)

Mr. Roboto Project
722 Wood Street
Wilkinsburg, PA 15221
412-247-9639
Mr. Funky here, announcing the KEEP OUT show at mr. roboto tomorrow evening (tuesday, december 17, 7:30, $3). KEEP OUT, that is, unless you want to hear baffling, grotty, hysterical, ecstatic music.

i'll be playing my UNFINISHED SYMPHONIES, including my latest compositions FAILURE IS AN OPTION and CATNIP FOR THE LADIES. i'll also be unleashing and celebrating the inherent sappiness of SILVER BELLS.

also on the bill: everybody's favorite erotic therapist, the STOIC SEX PRO.
also on the bill: the best bent jazz band west of 52nd street, CLUTTER.

we'll all be exploring the "playing with feeling" paradigm. it's elastic and it's a concept.

--part1_8c.21502f11.2b2fbce2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 18:42:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21873; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:42:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:42:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:42:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200212161842.AA110100678@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: mixers in a loop rig X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I love my Mackie 1202 VLZ, but it has this problem too. I have another (unrelated) request... In the interest of reducing my rig into a reasonable fly-not-drive touring size I'd like to see if I can not use a mixer at all. For this goal, I'm willing to move away from the power that my current parallel routing structure that my 1202 gives me to a more serial routing. The only that that is missing (and the new tiny Behringer mixers don't offer either) is MUTE and SOLO. As an improvisor, I depend on this to get my synth, bass or cello tones to what I want before I blast them through the PA. What I want is a tiny (trying to save space, remember) single headphone amp with stereo in and out and a mute button that sits after the amp, but before the outputs so that I can mute, but still hear in my headphones. I know that this would be dead-simple for the soldering inclined, but I suck at that stuff and would be too worried about the reliability of my own work. Does anyone know of a commercial box that does just this? thanks, Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 20:44:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31632; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:43:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:43:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DFE7370.F3B0E6A8@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:44:33 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: RIAA Logic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com An interesting article: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/28588.html Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 20:48:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32107; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:48:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:48:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c2a56e$5db8e860$3e57c350@p4> From: "d.swain" To: References: <001301c2a3da$ca7ea290$3e57c350@p4> <003c01c2a448$74e069e0$8e83abd4@giow2000> Subject: Re: Elliot sharp's eight string guitar Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 01:48:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on the elliot sharp topic here is a video of him playing the instrument http://www.roulette.org/noisy/dvd_vhs/sharp.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "luca" To: Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 2:44 PM Subject: Re: Elliot sharp's eight string guitar > I have played Elliott's 8string when I was in ny with him. > The spacing between the strings is fairly narrow, say like a > klein/steinberger, if not narrower. > Pick ups are bartolini for bass and it has just one output. > He uses a Boss gt5 as main processor, a line 6 looper and a 2nd edition > whammy. > He goes in a fender twin or a bass amp. > Sometimes he puts a mouse pad on the body to control the Max plug in of his > Mac. > The tuning is regular, the two added strings are below the low E string in > steps of 4ths. > > My first reaction when I embraced her has been: wow ! and now how do I play > this ? > > His (very long) fingers move as an octopus on that fingerboard! > > luca > ------------------------------ > www.unguitar.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "d.swain" > To: "Loopers Delight mailing list" > Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 2:39 AM > Subject: Elliot sharp's eight string guitar > > > Does anyone have any information on this ? > Im particulary interested in the scale length, electroinics and amps / fx > used > > David Swain > > d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk > www.onelessthannone.co.uk > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 21:35:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03045; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:31:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:31:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:30:17 -0800 From: glenn Subject: OT: Peter Gabriel if you can To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't know where he's headed from San Jose, but it it's near anyone on list, even if you have to sell a piece of gear to go as i did, it's SO much more than worth it. Like a fine wine.... glenn -"hug a middle eastern person today" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 21:44:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03624; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:41:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:41:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c2a575$a7efc320$6501a8c0@cliff> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: Subject: Re: Peter Gabriel if you can Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:40:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ya- a memorable show indeed- Cliff http://www.petergabriel.com/moonclub/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 22:18:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06781; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:17:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:17:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005d01c2a57a$cd9ff2c0$a31d7344@schererfamily> From: "Ted Scherer" To: References: <161.1881e793.2b2b5fc2@aol.com> <002901c2a4cb$16510500$a31d7344@schererfamily> <00a201c2a503$541b37b0$0df8c440@g0wn7> Subject: Re: In need of help Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:17:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, i did. You mentioned the sound sculpture switchblade 8b in one post. And a couple boards in the other. Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimfowler" To: Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 7:02 AM Subject: Re: In need of help > ted- > > i sent you an email privately (ted82@charter.net) ...did you ever get it? > > -jim > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 16 22:42:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08239; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:41:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:41:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006f01c2a57d$8d6cad80$a1e35cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #299 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:36:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #299 December 12, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Jonn Serrie, a defining pioneer of the spacemusic genre. The Featured CD at midnight was "Planetary Chronicles Volume 1" on the Miramar label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Sequencer" by Synergy (a.k.a. Larry Fast) on the Passport Records label. Jonn Serrie http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#dec PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Synergy Cybersports Sequencer (Passport) Wayne Lyttle Harmonic Voltage Animusic (Animusic) Jean Michel Jarre Oxygene Part IV Oxygene (Dreyfus) Redshift Halo Halo (Distant Sun) Otarion Select Select Creator (Neu Harmony) Tranzit H2O Tranz-Rapid (Groove) Alpha Wave Movement Liquid Cosmos A Distant Signal (HRR) Steve Roach Darkest Before Dawn * Darkest Before Dawn (Timeroom) 12:00 am Jonn Serrie Mystery Road Planetary Chronicles Volume 1 (Miramar) Jonn Serrie Dawn Trader Planetary Chronicles Volume 1 (Miramar) Jonn Serrie The Straits of Madigann Planetary Chronicles Volume 1 (Miramar) Jonn Serrie Starmoods Planetary Chronicles Volume 1 (Miramar) Jonn Serrie The Auran Vector Planetary Chronicles Volume 1 (Miramar) Max van Richter The House of Visual Resurrection (Neu Harmony) Transference 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Jonn Serrie. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Planetary Chronicles Volume 2" on the Miramar label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Chronos" by Michael Stearns on the Sonic Atmospheres label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 01:12:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20681; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 01:11:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 01:11:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:08:15 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: OT: Peter Gabriel if you can To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DFEBF4F.E08AD7D@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Resent-Message-ID: <-yhU1D.A.-CF.RAs_9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Friends of ours called us 2 hours before the show because they had gotten free tics! Woo hoo! It was a fine show indeed. However, he did "Here Comes the Flood" with no Frippatronics intro. Sure would have been nice if he sparked up one of those JamMan he writes about in the liner notes. Mark Sottilaro glenn wrote: > > Don't know where he's headed from San Jose, but it it's near anyone on list, > even if you have to sell a piece of gear to go as i did, it's SO much more > than worth it. Like a fine wine.... > > glenn > > -"hug a middle eastern person today" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 04:06:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02075; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 04:01:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 04:01:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <8c.21535bb8.2b3041b2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 04:00:34 EST Subject: Re: Re: Behringer weight and mixer options To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Thanks Andy. You have helped. I originally wanted a line mixer and looked > into that Behringer, but it just didn't have the sends. The Behringer Ultralink pro ? Can be configured to route 2 inputs to any of 3 outputs, and then also mix 3 inputs to 2 outputs. (before I bought mine, I spent hours with pen and paper and a downloaded manual). For instance (just an example) Guitar to main Input A, channels 1,2,3 configured as "splitter", (so they work as outputs/sends) channels 4,5,6 configured as "mix" (like a regular mixer) ch 1 o/p direct patch to ch 4 input ch 2 o/p to EDP , EDP to ch 5 i/p ch 3 o/p to Rang , Rang to ch 6 i/p set both loopers to fully wet sound. main Outputs to 2 amps. Then you can mix Direct Guitar Sound, EDP and Rang between the 2 amps in any combination (and operate everything a correct level), with a send from the gtr to either looper. Having done that you could even take the O/P from ch2 and plug it direct to main Input B, which would allow you to feed the EDP input into the rang. There's a whole load of possibilities, though admittedly it isn't very intuitive to use the unit when connected up like this, too easy to turn the wrong knob and get horrible feedback. Oh well, still waiting for a small mixer designed with looping in mind. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 05:45:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA08296; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 05:42:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 05:42:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Elliot sharp's --> mathematic processes cnanging your hearing Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:42:26 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <000f01c2a56e$5db8e860$3e57c350@p4> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id FAA08275 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Fr�n: d.swain [mailto:d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk] > on the elliot sharp topic here is a video of him playing the > instrument http://www.roulette.org/noisy/dvd_vhs/sharp.html That was a really cool link. Thanks. One thing he said was very interesting IMO: "It changes the way you hear music when you start working with mathematic processes". Can someone on this list tell about similar experiences? Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 06:41:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA12444; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 06:41:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 06:41:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <116.1c12cbb3.2b30672a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 06:40:26 EST Subject: Re: OT: Peter Gabriel Concert Sound To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_116.1c12cbb3.2b30672a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_116.1c12cbb3.2b30672a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy, How was the sound at the PG shows? My wife and sis-in-law saw him last month and said the sound was not very good. I'm curious to hear what people thought of other shows. They saw him in CT. =-) PJ --part1_116.1c12cbb3.2b30672a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy,
How was the sound at the PG shows? My wife and sis-in-law saw him last month and said the sound was not very good. I'm curious to hear what people thought of other shows. They saw him in CT. =-) PJ --part1_116.1c12cbb3.2b30672a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 07:10:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA14661; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:08:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:08:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021217230133.027ce5e0@phaesler.org> X-Sender: woz@phaesler.org (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:02:49 +1100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Woz Subject: Jamman swap for Vortex Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, would anyone want to swap a Jamman for a Vortex. T From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 07:23:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15372; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:20:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:20:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021217231423.027d0b90@phaesler.org> X-Sender: woz@phaesler.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:15:00 +1100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Woz Subject: Jamman for Vortex Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com BTW- I'm the one with the Jamman :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 07:29:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15422; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:21:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:21:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c2a5c6$b1b19c70$152c93d4@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021217230133.027ce5e0@phaesler.org> Subject: Re: Jamman swap for Vortex Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:20:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com NO no nooooo C:=) Claude > Hi, would anyone want to swap a Jamman for a Vortex. T > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 08:53:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA21740; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:51:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:51:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Looptalk@aol.com Message-ID: <106.1cfcd369.2b3085e8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:51:36 EST Subject: Re: Jamman for Vortex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <0uYtpC.A.mTF.1vy_9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just saw your second email!!! call me 800 405 1488 todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 10:02:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27955; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:59:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:59:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:50:50 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: In need of help Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4IoOyB.A.t0G.9uz_9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (ted--) my (late) 2 cents....my "rack" didn't take too long to get, nor was it super expensive, since i bought a lot of older gear....and i'm pretty new to it all also... but here's how my chain of stuff goes: guitar--volume pedal--digitech rp100--zoom 9150--digitech dsp256xl--dod d12--digitech ips 33--lexicon mpx100--out to either old 50 watt amp or direct signal to 4 track for recording. i don't use a mixer, nor do i use midi, just ye ole hand manipulation of stuff. i'm also just using the mono inputs/outputs to all gear, occasionally i will use both outputs of the lex mpx100 to get a 2 tracks of loop stuff when i'm recording directly. i've found that w/ my signal chained as such that there has to be some adjusting of input/output levels to compensate for noise. the older digitech gear can be tricky, and i've read reviews of other people using it saying how noisy they are etc, but i've found that just adjusting levels now and then helps. i think the bypasses on all work pretty well also. i'm not a real stickler, to me the noise enhances my sound. i would suggest getting good cables, my only problem now is one of my cables is old and i believe it's giving me some noise in my use of the volume pedal. so this works well for me guitar wise. i've been experimenting w/ vocal loops, and i had a harder time getting a good signal etc. so for vocal loops i just use: microphone-- dod d12--lex mpx100. i've found my other older gear wasn't as good for getting a good clean signal. i think a lot of it is just experimenting. i know in some experimenting my regular guitar signal was only going through 1/2 my effects from above, and i was glad when i rehooked up all my stuff. to me, it just didn't sound like me, but i like a lot of different effects and having different options. end of late 2 cents....and long too (sorry)... s--- http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/452/hsacnostetn.html -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 10:03:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27994; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:59:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:59:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2A5DC.98682515" Subject: FW: MMC7 Showcase Acceptance Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:57:18 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: MMC7 Showcase Acceptance Thread-Index: AcKllN0IBZOxHi36QeWzsbc2lawx1AAQgSJAAAH4H4A= From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2002 14:57:19.0251 (UTC) FILETIME=[98AABE30:01C2A5DC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A5DC.98682515 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: denis@dtguitar.com SubHello, I just got word of this and wanted to pass on this news to you. I was = selected to perform at the 7th Annual Millenium Music Conference 2003 in = Harrisdburg, PA. I will be performing regular guitar and guitar loops = done on the fly at this Music conference and showcase. Thanks Denis =20 Denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com MMC7 Showcase Acceptance December 17, 2003 =20 Congratulations! The 7th Annual Millenium Music Conference=20 is pleased to inform you that your act Guitarist Denis Taaffe has been = selected to=20 showcase at the event February 13-15, 2003 in Harrisburg, PA=20 All confirmed showcasing acts will be informed of their=20 venues and times by Monday, December 23 and it will be=20 available on the conference website. http://www.musicconference.net The Directors and Staff of the Conference ask for your=20 "quick reply" and wish you a Happy Holiday Season.=20 Thanks MMC7 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A5DC.98682515 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

To: denis@dtguitar.com
SubHello,

I just got=20 word of this and wanted to pass on this news to you. I was = selected=20 to perform at the 7th Annual Millenium Music Conference 2003 in = Harrisdburg,=20 PA. I will be performing regular guitar and guitar loops done on the = fly at=20 this Music conference and = showcase.

Thanks

Denis

Denis=20 Taaffe

denis@dtguitar.com=

http://www.dtguitar.com&nbs= p;=20 MMC7 Showcase Acceptance

December 17, 2003
=
Congratulations! The=20 7th Annual Millenium Music Conference
is pleased to inform you that = your=20 act Guitarist = Denis=20 Taaffe has been selected to
showcase at the = event=20 February 13-15, 2003 in Harrisburg, PA

All confirmed showcasing acts will be = informed of=20 their
venues and times by Monday, December 23 and it will be =
available=20 on the conference website.
http://www.musicconference.net

The Directors = and Staff of=20 the Conference ask for your
"quick reply" and wish you a Happy = Holiday=20 Season.
Thanks=20 MMC7

------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A5DC.98682515-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 10:13:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29115; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:12:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:12:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.74.111.235] From: "Nick Schillace" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Behringer weight and mixer options Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:11:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2002 15:11:35.0015 (UTC) FILETIME=[96BDF770:01C2A5DE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The Behringer Ultralink pro ? >Can be configured to route 2 inputs to any of 3 outputs, >and then also mix 3 inputs to 2 outputs. >(before I bought mine, I spent hours with pen and >paper and a downloaded manual). That does sound promising. I wanted some sends for my echopro,FF, multi etc. as well, but Behringer can get you to give them a chance on price alone. What is that ultralink pro, $80? >For instance (just an example) >Guitar to main Input A,channels 1,2,3 configured as "splitter", (sothey >work as outputs/sends) >channels 4,5,6 configured as "mix" (like a regular mixer) >ch 1 o/p direct patch to ch 4 input >ch 2 o/p to EDP , EDP to ch 5 i/p >ch 3 o/p to Rang , Rang to ch 6 i/p >set both loopers to fully wet sound. >main Outputs to 2 amps. I used to only have two boss pedals that stayed on half the time. NS _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 11:15:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01728; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:08:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:08:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <102.216edae8.2b30a5a7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:07:03 EST Subject: Re: OT: Peter Gabriel Concert Sound To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_102.216edae8.2b30a5a7_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10578 Resent-Message-ID: <5NXrpB.A.6a.Pw0_9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_102.216edae8.2b30a5a7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw PG in Detroit and I thought the sound was pretty decent myself. -I could even understand what PG was saying when he spoke...something I usually have trouble with. I thought the Blind Boys of Alabama came across well too. What I was bummed with was the reaction of the crowd! Too many polite and quiet people sitting on their hands. You gotta let the artist feel some love...this was Detroit Rock City for crying out loud! ha ha -Todd --part1_102.216edae8.2b30a5a7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw PG in Detroit and I thought the sound was pretty decent myself. -I could even understand what PG was saying when he spoke...something I usually have trouble with. I thought the Blind Boys of Alabama came across well too.

What I was bummed with was the reaction of the crowd! Too many polite and quiet people sitting on their hands. You gotta let the artist feel some love...this was Detroit Rock City for crying out loud! ha ha -Todd --part1_102.216edae8.2b30a5a7_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 11:18:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02606; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:17:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:17:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2A5E7.C7781438" Subject: FW: MMC7 Showcase Acceptance + still time to aply for a showcase Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:17:22 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: MMC7 Showcase Acceptance Thread-Index: AcKllN0IBZOxHi36QeWzsbc2lawx1AAQgSJAAAH4H4AAADu9QAACnc6A From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2002 16:17:22.0516 (UTC) FILETIME=[C7A2D140:01C2A5E7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A5E7.C7781438 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 To: denis@dtguitar.com SubHello, I just got word of this and wanted to pass on this news to you. I was = selected to perform at the 7th Annual Millenium Music Conference 2003 in = Harrisdburg, PA. I will be performing regular guitar and guitar loops = done on the fly at this Music conference and showcase. Also, noticed = that there is still tiem to apply or a showcase if interested. Any = loopers in PA area?=20 Thanks Denis =20 Denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com MMC7 Showcase Acceptance December 17, 2003 =20 Congratulations! The 7th Annual Millenium Music Conference=20 is pleased to inform you that your act Guitarist Denis Taaffe has been = selected to=20 showcase at the event February 13-15, 2003 in Harrisburg, PA=20 All confirmed showcasing acts will be informed of their=20 venues and times by Monday, December 23 and it will be=20 available on the conference website. http://www.musicconference.net The Directors and Staff of the Conference ask for your=20 "quick reply" and wish you a Happy Holiday Season.=20 Thanks MMC7 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A5E7.C7781438 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

To: denis@dtguitar.com
SubHello,

I just=20 got word of this and wanted to pass on this news to you. = I was=20 selected to perform at the 7th Annual Millenium Music Conference 2003 = in=20 Harrisdburg, PA. I will be performing regular guitar and guitar loops = done on=20 the fly at this Music conference and showcase. Also, noticed that there is still tiem = to apply or a=20 showcase if interested. Any loopers in PA=20 area?

Thanks

Denis

Denis=20 Taaffe

denis@dtguitar.com=

http://www.dtguitar.com&nbs= p;=20 MMC7 Showcase Acceptance

Howdy,
How was the so= und at the PG shows? My wife and sis-in-law saw him last month and said the = sound was not very good. I'm curious to hear what people thought of other sh= ows. They saw him in CT. =3D-)= PJ

--MS_Mac_OE_3122954276_153624_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 14:20:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19983; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:17:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:17:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <102.216edae8.2b30a5a7@aol.com> References: <102.216edae8.2b30a5a7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:17:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: OT: Peter Gabriel Concert Sound Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1171969873==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1171969873==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >I saw PG in Detroit and I thought the sound was pretty decent >myself. -I could even understand what PG was saying when he >spoke...something I usually have trouble with. I thought the Blind >Boys of Alabama came across well too. Intelligibility was fine in the Oakland arena, at least my seat, thanks probably to the line arrays. But the midrange sounded sadly distorted quite a bit more often than any previous pg show I've heard. The signature bass drum hit at the end of a few numbers sure did come through, though! And the quieter parts sounded fine. At arena shows, I imagine Scotty at the FOH, crying "Cap'n! I'm givin' the equalizers all I've got, but we got a problem in the time domain, sir. She canna take much more! You can't just go rewriting the laws of physics, cap'n!" But the 'Us' tour changed my mind about all that, the audio somehow maintained warp factor 9 throughout the episode. Somehow that wasn't the case last Saturday night. > >What I was bummed with was the reaction of the crowd! Too many >polite and quiet people sitting on their hands. You gotta let the >artist feel some love...this was Detroit Rock City for crying out >loud! ha ha -Todd Didn't have that problem in Oaktown. He thanked the audience several times for giving them such a good night, and it struck my companions as a comment that seemed to have some real meaning behind it. --============_-1171969873==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: OT: Peter Gabriel Concert Sound

I saw PG in Detroit and I thought the sound was pretty decent myself. -I could even understand what PG was saying when he spoke...something I usually have trouble with. I thought the Blind Boys of Alabama came across well too.

Intelligibility was fine in the Oakland arena, at least my seat, thanks probably to the line arrays. But the midrange sounded sadly distorted quite a bit more often than any previous pg show I've heard. The signature bass drum hit at the end of a few numbers sure did come through, though! And the quieter parts sounded fine.

At arena shows, I imagine Scotty at the FOH, crying "Cap'n! I'm givin' the equalizers all I've got, but we got a problem in the time domain, sir. She canna take much more! You can't just go rewriting the laws of physics, cap'n!" But the 'Us' tour changed my mind about all that, the audio somehow maintained warp factor 9 throughout the episode.

Somehow that wasn't the case last Saturday night.

What I was bummed with was the reaction of the crowd! Too many polite and quiet people sitting on their hands. You gotta let the artist feel some love...this was Detroit Rock City for crying out loud! ha ha -Todd

Didn't have that problem in Oaktown. He thanked the audience several times for giving them such a good night, and it struck my companions as a comment that seemed to have some real meaning behind it.

--============_-1171969873==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 15:16:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24283; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:15:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:15:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:16:16 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Elliot sharp's --> mathematic processes cnanging your hearing To: Per Boysen , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003401c2a609$4f4da400$1912be18@Douglas> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per Boysen wrote: > One thing he said was very interesting IMO: "It changes the way you hear > music when you start working with mathematic processes". Can someone on > this list tell about similar experiences? Briefly: Draw the chromatic scale out like a twelve-pointed circle - a dodecahedron - and note the locations of various chords and scales on this circle. This simple geometric view of intervals will quickly reveal numerous patterns in the music you care to chart in this way, and in the construction of music generally. Now I often "hear" these shapes and associate the shapes with certain sounds. I am amazed that this simple process is not used in music education. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 16:01:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26706; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:58:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:58:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021217205734.73246.qmail@web40505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:57:34 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: LOOPING TOUR of EUROPE/BRITISH ISLES 2003 (Looking for loopers to play with) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <011101c2a55a$62cae920$8064f93f@global> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Rick, How are you? Like i sad i can hook up a couple of gigs for you here in southern germany and maybe play together i would obviously need some sort of promo pack from you.Another alternative is to give you some adresses and you can send them your info. directly.I know michael peters and Rainer would be interested as well Let me know i think it would be fun to jam and loop together! cu L.a > Hi Loopers in Europe and the British Isles, > > I am embarking on a solo live looping tour of Europe > and > the British Isles this coming summer. > > I already have dates tentatively in Sweden, > Germany,Switzerland, Italy, > France, the British Isles and Spain. > > I would love it if anyone would be interested in > helping me to find a gig or produce a LIVE LOOPING > FESTIVAL > in your home town during my trip. > > I will probably be in Sweden for the last two weeks > of May; > in Northern Continental Europe for the first couple > of weeks > of June, in the British Isles for the last couple > of weeks of > June and in Southern Europe for the first couple of > weeks of July. > These times are still tentative and will solidify as > more dates > get booked. > > I would love to book more gigs in Norway, Finland, > Holland, Denmark, Belgium > and Germany. I would also love to book a gig or two > in Scotland which I > would > dearly love to visit. > > How I'm doing most shows is joining a local looper > who will do a solo set, > then I will do a solo set and then we will finish > off the evening > (or afternoon) with a duet improvisational set. > > What I would need from anyone willing to help me > book a gig would would be: > > 1) for you to book a venue for a performance: > a) in can be a paid performance or a free > performance whichever is the > easiest to produce > b) I have a lot of experience booking gigs and > festivals so I can advise > you > if you feel like taking on such a project > but don't have experience > yourself > c) the venue could be: a house concert, a pub, > a coffeeshop, a > bookstore > a museum, an art > gallery, a nightclub, an > outdoor > ampitheater.........IT > DOES NOT have to be a > typical > place for presenting > music........I have > convinced > many coffee shops and > bookstores to host a free > concert. > > 2) to have a place for my wife and I to stay > (including throwing a sleeping > bag) > that is a CAT-FREE environment (because I am > deathly allergic to the > cute > little creatures) or recommendations for an > inexpensive hotel that we > can stay at. > 3) willingness to publicize the gig (which I can > help with as my new > website > should be launching at the start of the new > year with photos, vid > clips, > audio clips, bios and press) > 4) P.A. speakers, an amplifier and , hopefully (but > not necessarily) > monitors > (I will be travelling with a Mackie 1402 mixer, > microphones, effects and > instruments). > > > If more than one looper from your town or area > participates we can call the > show > a Looping Festival which will allow us to get two to > three times as much > publicity > and two to three times as many people. > > Please e-mail me off list if this interests you or > if you want to help me > out. > > GLOBAL@cruzio.com > > I will, of course, be willing to do the same thing > here in California for > anyone > who helps me out. > > I look forward to meeting you and gigging with you. > > yours, appreciatively, Rick Walker > > > > ===== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 17:38:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02936; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:34:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:34:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Elliot sharp's --> mathematic processes cnanging your hearing Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:34:32 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <002901c2a61c$7831cd20$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003401c2a609$4f4da400$1912be18@Douglas> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA02915 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Fr�n: Douglas Baldwin [mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net] > > Per Boysen wrote: > > One thing he said was very interesting IMO: "It changes the way you > > hear music when you start working with mathematic processes". Can > > someone on this list tell about similar experiences? > > Briefly: Draw the chromatic scale out like a twelve-pointed > circle - a dodecahedron - and note the locations of various > chords and scales on this circle. This simple geometric view > of intervals will quickly reveal numerous patterns in the > music you care to chart in this way, and in the construction > of music generally. Now I often "hear" these shapes and > associate the shapes with certain sounds. I am amazed that > this simple process is not used in music education. Douglas > Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net Very interesting, indeed! This system implies certain audible characteristics of, for example, "triangular" scales and chords as well as... he, he.. "squarish" songs ;-) Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 18:59:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08792; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:58:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:58:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c2a627$685743c0$030aa8c0@powerpack> Reply-To: "Michael C. Gorman" From: "Michael C. Gorman" To: References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <003401c2a609$4f4da400$1912be18@Douglas> Subject: Re: Elliot sharp's --> mathematic processes cnanging your hearing Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:52:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <6SPOg.A.OJC.co7_9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doug, check out this guys enneagram study of music. Sound familiar? http://www.awakenings.com/properties/ So these and Doug's are examples of geometric mathematical processes. And of course the circle of fourths / fifths. Jim and I are also working on similar processes for transforming from mode to mode (for a given root note) that follows the cycle of fourths or fifths, in a way very similar to the way this cycle relates to key changes For me, the geometry helps me to see relations that I might not hear otherwise. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Baldwin" To: "Per Boysen" ; Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 3:16 PM Subject: Re: Elliot sharp's --> mathematic processes cnanging your hearing > Per Boysen wrote: > > One thing he said was very interesting IMO: "It changes the way you hear > > music when you start working with mathematic processes". Can someone on > > this list tell about similar experiences? > > Briefly: Draw the chromatic scale out like a twelve-pointed circle - a > dodecahedron - and note the locations of various chords and scales on this > circle. This simple geometric view of intervals will quickly reveal numerous > patterns in the music you care to chart in this way, and in the construction > of music generally. Now I often "hear" these shapes and associate the shapes > with certain sounds. I am amazed that this simple process is not used in > music education. > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > coyotelk@optonline.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 19:21:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13004; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:20:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:20:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DFFB16B.6E86AD95@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:21:16 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Re: Elliot sharp's --> mathematic processes cnanging your hearing References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <003401c2a609$4f4da400$1912be18@Douglas> <001901c2a627$685743c0$030aa8c0@powerpack> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interesting article. Fripp is a big follower of Gurdjieff. To my understanding, he based a lot of his Guitar Craft philosophy on his methods. Mark Sottilaro "Michael C. Gorman" wrote: > Doug, check out this guys enneagram study of music. Sound familiar? > http://www.awakenings.com/properties/ > > So these and Doug's are examples of geometric mathematical processes. And of > course the circle of fourths / fifths. Jim and I are also working on similar > processes for transforming from mode to mode (for a given root note) that > follows the cycle of fourths or fifths, in a way very similar to the way > this cycle relates to key changes For me, the geometry helps me to see > relations that I might not hear otherwise. > > Mike > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 20:10:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16878; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:07:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:07:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:10:37 -0500 Subject: Re: looping publicity From: Dan Soltzberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004101c29b79$ca14bce0$8a444ed5@bigboy> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3123000637_928594_MIME_Part" X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at out001.verizon.net from [141.149.185.187] at Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:06:43 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <4gaHpD.A.kHE.Fp8_9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3123000637_928594_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Steve-- Thanks for your message-- it's encouraging to hear from other loopers and especially other bass loopers. I took a look at your website and listened to some of your music-- I'll just mention one thing that struck me-- the swells on drifting are really beautiful, and the sort of arpeggiated stuff that comes afterwards is great (don't know if it's a trade secret, but I'd love to know how you did the arpegiations-- is it whammy pedal?). I wanted to write back to you because I am working to establish myself as a solo bass-looping performer, and am interested in networking with other folks like yourself who are also exploring that direction. You seem to be having a fair degree of success in terms of tours, clinics, etc., and I was wondering if you might have any advice to offer on how to create those opportunities. I'm doing okay locally here in Boston, but would definitely like to go further with it. Thanks so much, Dan ps-- In the next month, we'll be re-organizing the envelope website (link below) to be more of a fair split between the solo work (ghost 7) and the duo (Oranje), and when we do that, there will be a lot more solo pieces on the site-- there's only a small taste right now. -- ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com d.ans@verizon.net on 12/4/02 4:44 AM, Steve Lawson at steve@steve-lawson.co.uk wrote: that's a very good write up, Dan... and what's more, they mention flying saucer attack!! Not a name I've heard for quite a while (an ex-girlfriend of mine's sister is/was in the band) good stuff! Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk --MS_Mac_OE_3123000637_928594_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: looping publicity Hi Steve--

Thanks for your message-- it's encouraging to hear from other loopers and e= specially other bass loopers.

I took a look at your website and listened to some of your music-- I'll jus= t mention one thing that struck me-- the swells on drifting are really beaut= iful, and the sort of arpeggiated stuff that comes afterwards is great (don'= t know if it's a trade secret, but I'd love to know how you did the arpegiat= ions-- is it whammy pedal?).

I wanted to write back to you because I am working to establish myself as a= solo bass-looping performer, and am interested in networking with other fol= ks like yourself who are also exploring that direction. You seem to be havin= g a fair degree of success in terms of tours, clinics, etc., and I was wonde= ring if you might have any advice to offer on how to create those opportunit= ies. I'm doing okay locally here in Boston, but would definitely like to go = further with it.

Thanks so much,

Dan

ps-- In the next month, we'll be re-organizing the envelope website (link b= elow) to be more of a fair split between the solo work (ghost 7) and the duo= (Oranje), and when we do that, there will be a lot more solo pieces on the = site-- there's only a small taste right now.

--
ghost 7/ Oranje
http://envelopeproductions.com
d.ans@verizon.net

on 12/4/02 4:44 AM, Steve Lawson at steve@steve-lawson.co.uk wrote:

that's a very good write up, Dan... and what's more, they menti= on flying
saucer attack!! Not a name I've heard for quite a while (an ex-girlfriend o= f
mine's sister is/was in the band)

good stuff!

Steve
www.steve-lawson.co.uk

--MS_Mac_OE_3123000637_928594_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 20:32:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18313; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:31:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:31:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:34:40 -0500 Subject: 'scuse me From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at out001.verizon.net from [141.149.185.187] at Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:30:47 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oops-- sorry all-- I mean to send that last one to Steve, not to the LD list. Dan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 23:42:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32182; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:33:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:33:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:33:51 -0800 Subject: Re: Stereo Mixers From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3DFDF3A4.70B2A6BA@ernieball.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a 1642 VLZpro. I have used the subs as stereo sends but the annoyance there is that the per channel switching is then just in or out and I've still got to move the sub faders in parallel to keep the levels matched. On top of that I've still got 4 mono sends. Now, true, mono works great for the EDP, but I've got a lot of stereo effects and I'd like some real stereo sends. I haven't checked out the LM-3204. They don't seem to show up all that often. Mark P.S. Despite the frustrations with limited stereo routing support, the Mackie is one of the purchases I've been happier about. on 12/16/02 7:39 AM, Engineering at hans@ernieball.com wrote: > I like the Mackie LM-3204, which has two mono and two stereo effect > sends (only the mono OR the stereo are available at any given time per > channel). All of its inputs are mono/stereo. The MONITOR bus also > makes a nice stereo send, as does the AUX 3/4 bus. > > -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 23:42:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32632; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:40:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:40:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:40:16 -0800 Subject: Re: Stereo Mixers From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 12/17/02 8:33 PM, Mark Hamburg at mark_hamburg@baymoon.com wrote: > I haven't checked out the LM-3204. They don't seem to show up all that > often. Mackie no longer makes line mixers. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 17 23:51:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00737; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:49:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:49:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: Subject: Programming help! FCB1010 for EDP Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:53:07 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Everyone, I just rewired my rack and floorboard using the Behringer FCB1010 to control my EDP (and POD, effects and GR-33) and I am having trouble figuring out how to program the FCB1010 to control the EDP and I have a gig tomorrow night(Wed 12/18). Basically wanting to have the first 5 switches on each bank control these basic functions Switch 1-Record Switch 2-Overdub Switch 3-Multiply Switch 4-Undo Switch 5-Mute with an occasional Switch 6-Next Loop. Can anybody help me out here? I'm not completely ignorant here..I used to have a custom Bob Bradshaw rig: CAE RS-10 controlling multiple amps, effects, and switchers but this FCB1010 things seems to be a little more complex. (Of course Bob helped set that rig up originally and showed me how to program stuff so it's not like I did it from scratch but I understand the basics of MIDI). I would be a grateful for anyone's knowledgeable QUICK response!! -Arthur Lee www.arthurleemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 00:41:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05340; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 00:41:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 00:41:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: Subject: Programming Help Averted! Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:44:56 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok..so I jumped the gun. I figured it out...wasn't really that hard. I got confused with the velocity deal at first but figured out you don't need to enter that when programming notes on the FCB1010. Signed, A very happy MIDI camper... -Arthur Lee www.arthurleemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 01:09:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08013; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:09:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:09:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021217204801.00b34798@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:08:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: Stereo Mixers In-Reply-To: References: <3DFDF3A4.70B2A6BA@ernieball.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've seen a bunch of them out there. When I was checking them out, there would always be at least one on eBay: http://cq-search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?GetResult&query=mackie+LM* http://search-completed.ebay.com/search/search.dll?GetResult&query=mackie+LM* Look at the price trend lately! On the LM, the monitor bus is post-fader, so SOLO works really well as a stereo "Looper Send". It also allows one to send the main mix when no SOLO button is pressed. I think that ALT 3/4 is also post-fader, plus there is an "ALT 3/4 to Main" or "to RTN" (I can't remember which) button, so one doesn't even have to do any tricky routing to get it to operate essentially the same as the monitor bus for a second, stereo "To Looper". On other Mackies, one could probably "Y" the Alt 3/4 L/R outs and return them to a Stereo Channel (don't press ALT 3/4 on that channel) or Return for the same effect, although I'm sure some brainiac is going to remind us all why one shouldn't "Y" the outputs at this point.... -Hans At 20:33 17/12/2002, you wrote: >I've got a 1642 VLZpro. I have used the subs as stereo sends but the >annoyance there is that the per channel switching is then just in or out and >I've still got to move the sub faders in parallel to keep the levels >matched. On top of that I've still got 4 mono sends. Now, true, mono works >great for the EDP, but I've got a lot of stereo effects and I'd like some >real stereo sends. > >I haven't checked out the LM-3204. They don't seem to show up all that >often. > >Mark > >P.S. Despite the frustrations with limited stereo routing support, the >Mackie is one of the purchases I've been happier about. > >on 12/16/02 7:39 AM, Engineering at hans@ernieball.com wrote: > > > I like the Mackie LM-3204, which has two mono and two stereo effect > > sends (only the mono OR the stereo are available at any given time per > > channel). All of its inputs are mono/stereo. The MONITOR bus also > > makes a nice stereo send, as does the AUX 3/4 bus. > > > > -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 01:25:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08725; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:22:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:22:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: Subject: Programming Help Still Needed!!! Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 00:25:58 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok, I thought I was cool but when I tried it out the loop played for the first cycle and then stopped. So maybe I need the velocity although I have not figured that out. So help is still needed. I'm posting all this in real time as it goes down so that if I can't figure it out hopefully someone can save me before my gig. Thanks my looping brothas from otha mothas! (and sistas) -Arthur Lee www.arthurleemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 02:15:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12272; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 02:14:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 02:14:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 02:13:34 -0500 From: Lee Barnes Subject: RE: OT: Peter Gabriel if you can In-reply-to: <3DFEBF4F.E08AD7D@zerocrossing.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear all, LOL! Hate to say it, but I really dug the fact that he did that one very stripped down, though I have to admit, I would've loved to have heard him sing that one at least for a verse or chorus or two in German. Many moons ago when he played in DC (before the "This End Up" Tour") he did that for us with a slight introduction saying that he had re-released a few of his albums where he was singing in German, in an attempt to be more Worldly... Larry was with him then providing a few atmospherics... Later on he tried doing what we heard this go around and the audience was a little too loud in their cries for "Biko" so he didn't finish the song. For the MCI Center in DC, the Blind Boys of Alabama were incredible, however a bit over-powering, kinda reminded me of a slightly more sedate version of Mahavishnu Orchestra. Really was incredible to hear their version of "Amazing Grace" played to "House of the Rising Sun." Took the sound guys a bit to start dropping their levels down a bit. Kinda irked me that I'd never heard of this group prior, ... I'd like to hear a bit more of them live, and it really felt that we just got the barest of nibbles as to just how good this group was. When Dr. Hukwe Zawose and his nephew came out in traditional garb immediately afterwards playing far softer and to be honest with a real difficult task to trying to come on after an incredible opening act, they did a wonderful job. Haven't seen a pair of people play with more enjoyment before! The sound guys, I think missed out on giving these two a bit more in levels, however due to seating, I believe, they were incredible. Was also glad that this go around we didn't hear people screaming "Peter" all through their set. Again, this seemed to be awfully short... Finally, Peter and crowd came on. A few small feedback issues, a few oddities in performance (won't say too much more, so as to not spoil the surprises) and poor Rachel Z totally missing it for "In Your Eyes" for the keyboard solo later. Loved that Peter made the point of bringing out both the Blind Boys of Alabama and Dr. Hukwe Zawose for different songs. Felt like we got to hear a really good sampling of what Peter has done before and has done recently off of his new album. Was wonderful to hear at least one song off of (nearly) every album he's done, though as I stated earlier, he didn't do any in German, which was a partial shame as some of his songs take on a slightly different sound when he changes languages. Will only hint that for one of the songs, he does an even better "Slipperman" and the sound/mic technicians did an insanely good job. This was also probably one of my more favourite songs ("Growing Up") of the concert, let alone Peter chasing most of his back up band, especially Daniel Rhodes and Tony Levin around the outer edge of the rotating stage. "Downside Up" looked like his daughter was going to pass out for the special stuff they did for that song earlier in show. Not sure what looper he was using, but there were a few short loops that were going around during the show from Peter's end more so than Rachel Z's. Highly recommend this show, and am looking forward to the new disks that Peter was talking about recording fairly soon. L8r on, Lee -----Original Message----- From: Mark [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 1:08 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Peter Gabriel if you can Friends of ours called us 2 hours before the show because they had gotten free tics! Woo hoo! It was a fine show indeed. However, he did "Here Comes the Flood" with no Frippatronics intro. Sure would have been nice if he sparked up one of those JamMan he writes about in the liner notes. Mark Sottilaro glenn wrote: > > Don't know where he's headed from San Jose, but it it's near anyone on list, > even if you have to sell a piece of gear to go as i did, it's SO much more > than worth it. Like a fine wine.... > > glenn > > -"hug a middle eastern person today" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 02:36:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13396; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 02:36:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 02:36:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021218073613.82324.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:36:13 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Peter Gabriel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200212171920.OAA20249@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> Say wha?! That's weird! :-) Actually, in Cleveland, the sound was relatively good. Except when I go to Clevleand Orchestra concerts at Severance Hall, I've worn earplugs to every show I've seen (even Tori Amos and Roy Harper) since 1994, so I didn't have a problem with it being too loud. I did have a hard time hearing Tony Levin's bass. There was this big, gargatuan, but somehow not clearly defined low end through the whole set. But the rest of the band sounded mostly fine. As for audience reaction, we had about a 50/50 mix of people who were "into it" and those who seemed to be less so. During In Your Eyes, for instance, there was a lot of people doing the thing with the arms that Gabriel and Yousou N'Dour do in the video (and which Gabriel and the two African guys were doing in the show), but also quite a few people who couldn't be bothered. I, of course, was one of the former. I like to get into the spirit of things. I liked The Blind Boys From Alabama way more than I thought I would. They sounded great, and a lot of the crowd seemed to be getting to hearing them as well. Now, what I want to know is, how was the attendance at the shows you guys saw? In Cleveland, Gund Arena was about 2/3's at best full. There were a LOT of empty seats. In fact, I saw a lot of people disappear after The Blind Boys' set. I figured maybe they went to use the bathroom or something, but they never came back. Then, after the show, I saw the one guy who had been sitting next to me at the outset, and he said he moved down to a nicer, unoccupied seat closer to the stage. Well, Peter, his band, The Blind Boys and the Tanzanians (I think they were Tanzanian, I have to check the tour program, which isn't immediately handy) all played their hearts out for us. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 02:58:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14331; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 02:57:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 02:57:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Programming help! FCB1010 for EDP Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 08:57:55 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <005501c2a66b$2c8ec220$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id CAA14306 Resent-Message-ID: <1B50-C.A.1fD.GqCA-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Fr�n: ARTHUR LEE MUSIC [mailto:arthurlee@arthurleemusic.com] > Hey Everyone, > I just rewired my rack and floorboard using the Behringer > FCB1010 to control my EDP (and POD, effects and GR-33) and I > am having trouble figuring out how to program the FCB1010 to > control the EDP and I have a gig tomorrow night(Wed 12/18). > Basically wanting to have the first 5 switches on each bank control > these basic functions Switch 1-Record Switch 2-Overdub > Switch 3-Multiply > Switch 4-Undo Switch 5-Mute > with an occasional Switch 6-Next Loop. > > Can anybody help me out here? Arthur, Set the "note on" funktion of the FCB1010 to send on the midi channel that your EDP is listening to. Then program the foot pads to send midi not on over that channel. Check the EDP (or LOOP4) manual to find out about which notes to use. Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 04:38:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA21734; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 04:37:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 04:37:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <12d.1dc82d92.2b319be5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 04:37:41 EST Subject: Re: Re: Behringer weight and mixer options To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > That does sound promising. I wanted some sends for my echopro,FF, multi etc. > > as well, but Behringer can get you to give them a chance on price alone. > What is that ultralink pro, $80? they have a price list on the website, $99.99 RRP so maybe $80+ if there's a dealer who buys them in bulk . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 05:05:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA24392; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 05:05:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 05:05:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <71.2a93e9a2.2b31a22b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 05:04:27 EST Subject: Re: -> mathematic processes cnanging your hearing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Per Boysen wrote: > > One thing he said was very interesting IMO: "It changes the way you hear > > music when you start working with mathematic processes". Can someone on > > this list tell about similar experiences? > > Briefly: Draw the chromatic scale out like a twelve-pointed circle - a > dodecahedron - and note the locations of various chords and scales on this > circle. This simple geometric view of intervals will quickly reveal numerous > patterns in the music Take any genre of music, and it's possible to work out an underlying mathematics for whats going on. examples, strict laws of harmony in JSBach's music, only 3 chords in a basic blues very strict guidelines on instrumentation and tempo for dance genres always play in 4/4 it's what the punters like avoid recognisable harmonic + rhythmic structures etc. etc. So to some extent you can work back from the maths and recreate a similar music. Modern composers have been known to start with a mathematical process (serialism for instance) and work with it to see what it sounds like. Theoretically a way to produce fresh new music. Xenakis uses the maths from architecture to determine where the notes go. Listening to his music there's a sense of an unusual type of regularity. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 07:38:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01714; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 07:34:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 07:34:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021218232623.027504d0@phaesler.org> X-Sender: woz@phaesler.org (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:28:28 +1100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Woz Subject: Electro Harmonix 16 Sec Delay Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I remember hearing some of you guys talking about this delay awhile ago and just spotted it in the gear classifieds on Harmony central. Thought you'd like to know it's for sale.

Electro Harmonix 16 Second Digital Delay-RARE FIND
Asking Price: US$N/A
Condition: Excellent
Age: N/A
Description:
This is the pedal of all pedals.
A vintage Electro Harmonix 16 Second Digital Delay.
works fine.
Serious Inquiries only please.
Top Dollar Only
Buyer pays shipping.
AS IS.
Seller: T. O.,
E-mail: eh16secdd at aol.com (Profile)
Post Date: 12/17/2002
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 07:49:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA02417; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 07:46:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 07:46:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021218233936.02754810@phaesler.org> X-Sender: woz@phaesler.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:40:11 +1100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Woz Subject: Echoplex Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <08M9FC.A.rl.X4GA-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's another find....

Echoplex EP-3 for trade
Asking Price: US$N/A
Condition: Good
Age: N/A
Description:
I've got an Echoplex EP-3 from the early 1970s. It's in fair to good cosmetic condition and very good mechanical condition (will give you specifics on request). I just had it gone over by a tech and had the tape cartridge replaced with a new one and the belt replaced. I am looking to do a straight trade for an original Digitech Whammy WH-1 (not reissue) or a partial trade for some pedals in the Ibanez '808' series, specifically PQ-401, OD-855 or OD-850. Please let me know what you have got and have good pictures to send. Thanks!
Seller: Tim Privitera,
E-mail: tprivitera at nc.rr.com (Profile)
Post Date: 12/14/2002
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 09:54:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10947; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:50:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:50:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:41:56 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Elliot sharp's --> mathematic processes cnanging your hearing To: Per Boysen , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002f01c2a6a4$9c158aa0$1912be18@Douglas> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <002901c2a61c$7831cd20$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Resent-Message-ID: <7I8NS.A.9qC.CtIA-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Per Boysen wrote: > > > One thing he said was very interesting IMO: "It changes the way you > > > hear music when you start working with mathematic processes". Can > > > someone on this list tell about similar experiences? > > > > Briefly: Draw the chromatic scale out like a twelve-pointed > > circle - a dodecahedron - and note the locations of various > > chords and scales on this circle. This simple geometric view > > of intervals will quickly reveal numerous patterns in the > > music you care to chart in this way, and in the construction > > of music generally. Now I often "hear" these shapes and > > associate the shapes with certain sounds. I am amazed that > > this simple process is not used in music education. Douglas > > Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net > > Very interesting, indeed! This system implies certain audible > characteristics of, for example, "triangular" scales and chords as well > as... he, he.. "squarish" songs ;-) Exactly. I think it's great fun to discover these for yourself, so I won't give away the shapes, but I will say it gives a whole new meaning to "symmetric" scales and equivalent chords! You'll see in a whole new way WHY C7b5 and F#7b5 are the same. Loop content: when I'm looping long dronal things and I want to move from one key or tonal center to another, I often choose them according to their placement on the circle and my associations with that placement. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 09:54:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10933; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:50:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:50:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:47:56 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Elliot sharp's --> mathematic processes cnanging your hearing To: "Michael C. Gorman" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003001c2a6a4$9c265380$1912be18@Douglas> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001901c2a627$685743c0$030aa8c0@powerpack> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael Gorman wrote: > Doug, check out this guys enneagram study of music. Sound familiar? > http://www.awakenings.com/properties/ Thanks, Mike! I will need to print this out and read through it, but I've had some reservations about the enneagram/major scale analysis for many years. I'll discuss off-list if you want to drop me an e-line. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 13:47:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29975; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:43:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:43:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000411630@pop3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:33:15 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Katja Subject: mathematic processes & tone clock In-Reply-To: <003401c2a609$4f4da400$1912be18@Douglas> References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Dutch composer Peter Schat works with a tonal system visualised by the dodecahedron since long. He calls it 'Toonklok', Tone Clock. In his view, all possible triads within the clock (the 'hours', starting with a triad based on two minor second intervals) have meaning in relation to each other, just like the classical triads within major and minor scales have. With the important difference that the Tone Clock offers so many more possibilities. All of Schat's music of the past decades is based on it. He promotes the system wherever and whenever he can, but seems to have little succes. The trouble is, you have to listen to this kind of music quite often before you actually hear the interrelations. For the casual listener it does not distinguish itself from other 'difficult' modern composed music. And because very few composers work this way we might not live the day the audience will enjoy this music on a large scale. You can check some of the Tone Clock theory on www.xs4all.nl/~taede/toonklok/main-e.html. Katja Vetter. Douglas wrote: >Briefly: Draw the chromatic scale out like a twelve-pointed circle - a >dodecahedron - and note the locations of various chords and scales on this >circle. This simple geometric view of intervals will quickly reveal numerous >patterns in the music you care to chart in this way, and in the construction >of music generally. Now I often "hear" these shapes and associate the shapes >with certain sounds. I am amazed that this simple process is not used in >music education. >Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large >coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 14:22:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01065; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:21:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:21:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: Subject: Prgramming FCB1010 Update Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:25:20 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok now we're cool. It turns out you need to globally program All the MIDI functions first with a new unit otherwise the FCB 1010 sends unwanted signals to the EDP causing it to do weird things (like set the feeback control to zero causing your loop to play only once.) Loop on! -Arthur Lee www.arthurleemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 15:47:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07177; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:38:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:38:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:38:13 EST Subject: Re: OT-Peter Gabriel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f3.25b1b57b.2b3236b5_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10578 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f3.25b1b57b.2b3236b5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To be fair, the reaction in Detroit wasn't completely horrible, just not as enthusiastic as I would've liked. I saw Dead Can Dance in Ann Arbor a while back and the crowd was so over the top you could tell it made an impression on the band and the level of energy in the nights performance. I actually had the good fortune of running into the band with my friends on the way home and we all closed out their hotel bar. Brendan Perry said that he and the band were astounded at the crowds reaction and said that they hadn't had a better show on the tour (except for Paris I believe). Attendance was also low in Detroit. When I went to my section I found that they were re-seating everyone in the upper sections...looks like they consolidated all the seating above to two sections opposite each other, leaving the other two 'ends' empty! Oh well. -Todd --part1_f3.25b1b57b.2b3236b5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To be fair, the reaction in Detroit wasn't completely horrible, just not as enthusiastic as I would've liked. I saw Dead Can Dance in Ann Arbor a while back and the crowd was so over the top you could tell it made an impression on the band and the level of energy in the nights performance. I actually had the good fortune of running into the band with my friends on the way home and we all closed out their hotel bar. Brendan Perry said that he and the band were astounded at the crowds reaction and said that they hadn't had a better show on the tour (except for Paris I believe).

Attendance was also low in Detroit. When I went to my section I found that they were re-seating everyone in the upper sections...looks like they consolidated all the seating above to two sections opposite each other, leaving the other two 'ends' empty! Oh well.   -Todd --part1_f3.25b1b57b.2b3236b5_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 15:57:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07915; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:48:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:48:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021218202740.30992.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:27:40 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re:Fripp's gear (and Belew's, briefly) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200212030616.BAA17558@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> During most of the early 80's, he used a Roland G-303 pretty much exclusively. If you check out either of the two King Crimson concert videos that were put out from the Beat and Three Of A Perfect Pair tours, you can see that's the only guitar he plays through the whole of either concert (meanwhile, on the Beat concert, Adrian Belew switches off between three guitars: an old beat up and burnt Strat, an Ibanez Roadstar, and a Roland G-303...by the time of Three Of A Perfect Pair, he had scaled it down to two Fender Mustangs that had been equipped with Kahler tremolos, Roland guitar synth electronics, Strat style pickups and custom finishes). By the time of the Three Of A Perfect Pair tour, he had it modified with a Kahler tremolo system. Then, sometime in 84 or 85, he started playing a Tokai Les Paul copy, which he had fitted with a Kahler tremolo, the electronics for the Roland guitar synth, and I think he also said he had coil tap and phase switches installed for the regular guitar pickups. This appears to be the guitar he used on the Sunday All Over The World album, as well as his work with David Sylvian, and also the earliest Soundscapes concerts. Then, sometime around the time the Double Trio version of Crimson came together, he switched to using a Fernades Les Paul copy, which was customized in a similiar fashion to the Tokai. And while we're on a Crimson related note, I might point that I've recieved word that Belew's first three solo albums, the ones on Island, are being reissued in Japan, and DGM will be stocking them. Ooooh, I can't WAIT to finally have Twang Bar King on CD!!!!!! ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 17:13:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16181; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:06:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:06:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.71; T1.001; A1.51; B2.12; Q2.03) From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:06:55 -0500 X-Epoch: 1040249215 X-Sasl-enc: 6UVkstmiTCng8bhx2olqFQ Subject: Re: mathematic processes & tone clock References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> Message-Id: <20021218220655.0B31516E8E@www.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:33:15 +0100, "Katja" said: > day the audience will enjoy this music on a large scale. You can check > some > of the Tone Clock theory on www.xs4all.nl/~taede/toonklok/main-e.html. > I find this very interesting, but I don't understand that website at all. For example he says "In the tone clock we find the fourths in the ninth hour". What does that mean? By the ninth hour, i assume he means where 9 would be on a regular clock, but I don't see how that has anything to with 4ths... Ernesto -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm - One of many happy users: http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/quotes.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 17:14:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16414; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:08:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:08:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c2a6df$990b2f00$6187abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: References: <20021218202740.30992.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Re:Fripp's gear (and Belew's, briefly) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:51:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Richards" > Ooooh, I can't WAIT to finally have Twang > Bar King on CD!!!!!! me too ! luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 21:32:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01785; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:24:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:24:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E012DED.4020101@quik.com> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 18:24:45 -0800 From: dgoat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mathematic processes & tone clock References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> <20021218220655.0B31516E8E@www.fastmail.fm> In-Reply-To: <20021218220655.0B31516E8E@www.fastmail.fm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6WnVbC.A.zb.e3SA-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ernesto schnack wrote: >On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:33:15 +0100, "Katja" said: > > day the audience will enjoy this music on a large scale. You can check > > >>some >>of the Tone Clock theory on www.xs4all.nl/~taede/toonklok/main-e.html. >> >> >> > >I find this very interesting, but I don't understand that website at all. > For example he says "In the tone clock we find the fourths in the ninth >hour". What does that mean? By the ninth hour, i assume he means where 9 >would be on a regular clock, but I don't see how that has anything to >with 4ths... > >Ernesto > > Number theory in composition can be useful to the composer in trying to break out of established habits, but music composed by number for the sake of composing by number rarely works. Make music first, analyse later.... D.G. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 22:12:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05189; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:05:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:05:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3E0129A0.61FFA421@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:06:25 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mathematic processes & tone clock References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> <20021218220655.0B31516E8E@www.fastmail.fm> <3E012DED.4020101@quik.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1S0JzC.A._QB.MeTA-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dgoat wrote: > > Number theory in composition can be useful to the composer in trying to > break out of established habits, but music composed by number for the > sake of composing by number rarely works. Make music first, analyse > later.... > > D.G. Amen to that my brother. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 18 23:42:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10230; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:37:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:37:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c2a6e5$d032ffc0$0df8c440@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> <20021218220655.0B31516E8E@www.fastmail.fm> <3E012DED.4020101@quik.com> Subject: Re: mathematic processes & tone clock Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:35:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Number theory in composition can be useful to the composer in trying to break out of established habits, but music composed by number for the sake of composing by number rarely works. Make music first, analyse later...." absolutely!!! after spending the better part of 3 years coming up with ways to "play by number" and trying to get as technical and programmatic as possible, i found that the music only suffered. the numbers involved are often complicated enough on their own and basing music on numbers only yields sterile results, in my opinion. there are some that find this number-based music very interesting, but i doubt that it affects them any further than just being "interesting"...when you base your music on numbers, you often leave out a very important ingredient: heart and soul. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 01:35:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17217; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 01:33:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 01:33:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 01:26:22 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance @ Zeitgeist 12.21.02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'll be doing video improvisations at the Zeitgeist Gallery in Cambridge, this Saturday night as part of the following event. rob chalfen presents subconsciouscafe new chamber music series @ ZEITGEIST GALLERY 1353 Cambridge St. Inman Sq. Cambridge 69 Bus from Harvard Gate Doors @ 8pm (exc. where noted) All shows $10 (exc. where noted) All ages PHONE: 617.876.6060 Saturday, 21 December -JAMES MERENDA TRIO -SMART LEONARD FIELD 10:00 JAMES MERENDA TRIO James Merenda - alto sax John Voigt - bass William Buchanan - batterie 8:30 WILL KEN NEIL Neil Leonard (alto saxophone) Ken Field (alto saxophone) Will Buchanan - drums ABOUT THE MUSICIANS: JOHN VOIGT has played with Billy Bang, Borah Bergman, Peter Brotzmann, Roy Campbell, Denis Charles, Marilyn Crispell, Andrew Cyrille, Stu Dempster, Bill Dixon, Paul Flaherty, Bill Frisell, Malcolm Goldstein, Milford Graves, Joseph Jarman, Keith Jarrett, Oliver Lake, Jeanne Lee, Joe McPhee, Jemeel Moondoc, Thurston Moore, Joe Morris, Lawrence "Butch" Morris, Paul Motian, Bern Nix, and Zenna Parkins. He has recorded for Aum Fidelity, Ayler Records, Eremite, Box Holder, and RRRecords (a video with T. Moore). Played at Bell Atlantic, Sound Unity, Fire In The Valley, and Vision Festivals. Many gigs at the Knitting Factory. He has published articles on Henry Grimes, Charles Mingus, Don Cherry, Morton Feldman. Voigt has lectured at the Institute of Jazz Studies; and taught at Berklee College, Boston Arts Academy and Massachusetts College of Art. Drummer and percussionist WILL BUCHANAN (b. 1976) has toured the US, Canada,Spain, Greece, and Russia to perform both serious and popular music concerts. Most recently, he has established himself as an active freelance player in the Boston area. His improvisational playing style has been described as a conjunctive synthesis of jazz, indie rock, african drumming, parade music, and minimalism. Alto saxophonist JAMES MERENDA - born in Brooklyn,NY,James has been performing in Boston for over 10 years -co-leading an original trio "Perilous Foil" .He has played with Joe Hunt,Barry Reis,Ran Blake,George Schuller,Ed Schuller,Mike Rivard,George Garzone,John McNeil,The Either Orchestra,The Ardvark Orchestra,Eric Rosenthal,John Voigt,Luther Gray.Recorded with Ran Blake on Hatology and has three independent recordings.Performing currently with Brandon Seabrook/Phantom Power Supply and leading an ongoing project performing compositions of Charles Mingus (the Masked Marvels). James brings these three musicians together for the first time - a must see - the second meeting of John Voigt and James - a further development in our longing for creative music. NEIL LEONARD has performed internationally, including in Spain, Cuba, Canada, Puerto Rico, Poland, Russia, and at New York's Carnegie Hall. He has worked with Don Byron, and has released his own experiments combining acoustic saxophones with computer-based processing systems. Leonard currently teaches at Berklee College of Music. KEN FIELD is a member of the group Birdsongs of the Mesozoic, and has released several CDs of his layered saxophone compositions and improvisations. He leads the Revolutionary Snake Ensemble, and also performs with the Board of Education and other groups. Field is in the process of preparing a masterclass CD for the Saxophone Journal. @ THE ZEITGEIST GALLERY 1353 Cambridge St. Inman Sq. Cambridge 69 Bus from Harvard Gate all shows 8 pm all shows $10 or b/o all ages NEW PHONE: 617.876.6060 http://www.zeitgeist-gallery.org/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 02:56:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23197; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 02:55:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 02:55:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E017BB8.9307032B@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:56:39 -0800 From: Marklar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: A Looping Holiday Gift to my pals on LD References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> <20021218220655.0B31516E8E@www.fastmail.fm> <3E012DED.4020101@quik.com> <3E0129A0.61FFA421@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey gang, I recently met a vocalist named Maria and had an *amazing* jam. I hooked her up with my second Repeater and a Digitech DSP128. The rest is me and my drum machine. One take, so it's rough in spots. I caught a bit of it with Digital Performer 3 and have posted it as an mp3 for your listening pleasure. Enjoy my looping family. http://www.zerocrossing.net/mp3s/mark_maria12_02_edit.mp3 take care, Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 10:11:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22016; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:08:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:08:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c2a771$0346a660$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> <20021218220655.0B31516E8E@www.fastmail.fm> <3E012DED.4020101@quik.com> <3E0129A0.61FFA421@zerocrossing.net> <3E017BB8.9307032B@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Music Police! Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:12:12 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Music Police! Music Police! Music Police! Help! It's the Music Police! http://www.divisiontwo.com/articles/officerdan3.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 10:27:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23167; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:26:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:26:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:26:03 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Music Police! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <040801c2a772$f1937b80$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> <20021218220655.0B31516E8E@www.fastmail.fm> <3E012DED.4020101@quik.com> <3E0129A0.61FFA421@zerocrossing.net> <3E017BB8.9307032B@zerocrossing.net> <002101c2a771$0346a660$0201a8c0@eluk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Unbeknownst to him, he has also blown up a building." LOL! why am i supposed to believe that copying music supports terrorism? because it's TRUE! ----- Original Message ----- From: "S.P. Goodman" To: Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 9:12 AM Subject: Music Police! > Music Police! > Music Police! > Music Police! > > Help! It's the Music Police! > http://www.divisiontwo.com/articles/officerdan3.htm > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 10:28:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23541; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:28:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:28:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c2a387$da5f5b30$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> <20021218220655.0B31516E8E@www.fastmail.fm> <3E012DED.4020101@quik.com> <003901c2a6e5$d032ffc0$0df8c440@g0wn7> Subject: Re: mathematic processes & tone clock Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 09:45:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I, too, went through a math music phase during my 6th and 7th year of development. It happened right about the time that I started being exposed to Fripp and the boys, coincidentally enough. I think that many loopers probably have experienced such periods. I do agree that once music becomes a mathematical experiment, it can lose "spirit" or "soul". However, I do not think that it should only be considered a tool for "breaking out of established habits". I am actually now in a period of phenomenal advances in my grasp of mathematical theory. I am 35 years old and in the last year blasted through some mental roadblock, which retarded my mathematical development since junior high or maybe even earlier. Umberto Eco, Douglas R. Hofstadter, programming, neural net theory, and music definitely opened my eyes to the mystical and philosophical nature of math and how it relates to intelligence and perception, perhaps even the soul. Mathematical understanding in the area of musical improvisation provides a link to instant creation. My mathematical revelations concerning the fret-board of my guitar or bouzouki are some of the most important. It is much easier now to hear a note or even a whole phrase in my head and then play them without having that transition or phrase in my repertoire or "licks". Mathematical analysis of any art is often separated from other methods of analysis in the mind of artists. However, I am beginning to think that the separation of math and language and music and sculpture and dance.. is actually a reflection of a lack of understanding of the nature of communication and perhaps thought, itself. Imagine a piece about the holocaust composed of the sounds made by percussive and tonal screams in Hebrew reflected on the walls of an incinerator in 666 measures. Here, music, math, language, and cultural iconism come together to create a unified if complex meaning. Of course, execution is vital, but without content, execution would never occur. Meaning is where you find it, and beauty, I believe, is rooted in meaning, somehow. I think of music as "mathy", already and looping as perhaps even more "mathy". Looping is, for me, a beautiful metaphor for the recursive algorithm which, in turn, is a beautiful metaphor for consciousness which, in turn, is a beautiful metaphor for the universe as we know it which in turn .. Do not fear an excess of math something, only fear a lack of meaning. Lance www.chanceinformation.info ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimfowler" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 4:35 PM Subject: Re: mathematic processes & tone clock > "Number theory in composition can be useful to the composer in trying to > break out of established habits, but music composed by number for the sake > of composing by number rarely works. Make music first, analyse later...." > > absolutely!!! after spending the better part of 3 years coming up with ways > to "play by number" and trying to get as technical and programmatic as > possible, i found that the music only suffered. the numbers involved are > often complicated enough on their own and basing music on numbers only > yields sterile results, in my opinion. there are some that find this > number-based music very interesting, but i doubt that it affects them any > further than just being "interesting"...when you base your music on numbers, > you often leave out a very important ingredient: heart and soul. > > -jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 10:52:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25100; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:51:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:51:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:49:22 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: mathematic processes & tone clock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <042301c2a776$333a1820$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> <20021218220655.0B31516E8E@www.fastmail.fm> <3E012DED.4020101@quik.com> <003901c2a6e5$d032ffc0$0df8c440@g0wn7> <001501c2a387$da5f5b30$69894682@lance> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Lance Chance wrote a bunch of stuff: >... >I, too, went through a math music phase during my 6th and 7th year of >development... >... excellent post. i'm also a fan of hofstadter. i never had a math block, so i have always known the connection between math and music and never understood why it was not obvious to everyone. > Do not fear an excess of math something, only fear a lack of meaning. why fear anything? what does meaning mean? anyone remember steve martins banjo bit where he uses his nose for the base? bplpllllinkkk "i dunno, this just has more MEANING to me..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 10:54:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25395; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:53:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:53:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <87.245f8611.2b33453a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:52:26 EST Subject: Re: A Looping Holiday Gift to my pals on LD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA25374 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, In a message dated 12/18/02 11:56:33 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: >I recently met a vocalist named Maria and had an *amazing* jam. >I hooked her up with my second Repeater and a Digitech DSP128. >The rest is me and my drum machine. One take, so it's rough in >spots. I caught a bit of it with Digital Performer 3 and have posted >it as an mp3 for your listening pleasure. . . . and a pleasure it is too. Just got done downloading and listening to it. The combination of what you do and what Maria does obviously makes for some really good musical chemistry. Do some more. Put out a CD. I'd bet it'd be great! I'd buy one. tEd � kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 11:24:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28231; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:20:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:20:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:19:08 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: mathematic processes & tone clock To: Katja , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00a201c2a77a$79eb2ee0$1912be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Katja wrote: > Dutch composer Peter Schat works with a tonal system visualised by the > dodecahedron since long. He calls it 'Toonklok', Tone Clock. [snip] >He > promotes the system wherever and whenever he can, but seems to have little > succes. The trouble is, you have to listen to this kind of music quite > often before you actually hear the interrelations. For the casual listener > it does not distinguish itself from other 'difficult' modern composed > music. What can this tell us about the purpose of music? The Western system of twelve equally tempered pitches leads to all manner of patterning, largely because twelve is such a rich number. But simply because a pattern exists on a piece of paper does not mean that it has some inherently superior power. That is certainly one of my little discoveries in using dodecaphonic circles: what appears symmetric on the circle often sounds "cold" to our ears. However, exploring these patterns can give us new material to work with. Whether Peter Schat produced his music using the Tone Clock, Schoenbergian 12-tone technique, or scattering rice on blank music paper, the process is part of a larger world which needs to be considered as well. But thank you so much for the link! coyote From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 11:45:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29732; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:43:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:43:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c2a392$54a8b350$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> <20021218220655.0B31516E8E@www.fastmail.fm> <3E012DED.4020101@quik.com> <003901c2a6e5$d032ffc0$0df8c440@g0wn7> <001501c2a387$da5f5b30$69894682@lance> <042301c2a776$333a1820$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: mathematic processes & tone clock Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 11:00:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > why fear anything? > what does meaning mean? What a "hofstadterian" response, and the one that I probably would have made. I really like the Steve Martin reference. What a great way to describe the infinite distinction between intended meaning on the part of the sender (artist) and perceived meaning on the part of receiver (audience). I think that I'm gonna steal that one. With the fear thing, I think that what I was responding to was the cautions mentioned in the earlier posts in this thread about the use of math as a compositional tool. I have to say that even tho I didn't always grasp the meaning of math as well as I do now, I still understood it's importance to music and looping, in particular. Actually, my looping may have informed my math understanding more than the other way around, but I suppose that's chicken or egg stuff. In the end, I would have to say that I genuinely feared math in my time. > i never had a math block, so i have always known the connection > between math and music and never understood why it was > not obvious to everyone. And so what if you never had a math block, do you think that I care ;) Actually I'm not jealous of mathematicians at all, but mathematical artists start making me humble with the quickness. But i'm still working on it... lance chance ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim palmer" To: Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 9:49 AM Subject: Re: mathematic processes & tone clock > >Lance Chance wrote a bunch of stuff: > >... > >I, too, went through a math music phase during my 6th and 7th year of > >development... > >... > > excellent post. > i'm also a fan of hofstadter. > i never had a math block, so i have always known the connection > between math and music and never understood why it was > not obvious to everyone. > > > Do not fear an excess of math something, only fear a lack of meaning. > > why fear anything? > what does meaning mean? > > anyone remember steve martins banjo bit where he uses his nose for the base? > bplpllllinkkk > "i dunno, this just has more MEANING to me..." > > www.chanceinformation.info . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 12:27:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00477; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:24:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:24:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-6.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1040318670!57232 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA76@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: mathematic processes & tone clock Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:18:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2A782.9B78FDA0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A782.9B78FDA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>mathematical artists start making me humble with the quickness<< it's a fascinating relationship, for sure, but then analysing anything in terms of maths and numerology can be fascinating for a while. an ex-girlfriend of mine, who played the bass and sang, said that she found this easy because "it was just math" and not at all a matter of dividing one's concentration between two musical tasks. I struggled with this for a while, and only later realised that she was one of the least inspired bassists I'd ever heard. love is deaf, too. 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>>mathematical artists start making me humble with = the quickness<<
it's a fascinating relationship, for sure, but then anal= ysing anything in terms of maths and numerology can be fascinating for a wh= ile. an ex-girlfriend of mine, who played the bass and sang, said that she = found this easy because "it was just math" and not at all a matte= r of dividing one's concentration between two musical tasks. I struggled wi= th this for a while, and only later realised that she was one of the least = inspired bassists I'd ever heard. love is deaf, too.

(colleen, if you ever see this, I'm referring to someone = else. honest.)

duncan/r.m.i.
***************************************************************************= CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe ***************************************************************************= ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A782.9B78FDA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 12:32:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01029; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:31:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:31:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010d01c2a784$4628dd00$a05c4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <87.245f8611.2b33453a@aol.com> Subject: A Non-Looping Christmas Gift to my pals on LD :o) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:30:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I too have recently uploaded a new exclusive tune - this one is another with Jez Carr (pianist on my album, Conversations), but features precisely no loopage at all. It's just me and him, bass and piano, making a nice noise. It's in the MP3 section of my site, which can now be accessed via any of the following - www.steve-lawson.co.uk www.stevelawson.net www.steve-lawson.com - take your pick! :o) hope you enjoy it - the tune's called Beauty And The Beast, happy Christmas Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 12:41:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01664; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:40:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:40:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:43:38 -0500 Subject: Re: A Looping Holiday Gift to my pals on LD From: Dan Soltzberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3E017BB8.9307032B@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3123146618_367301_MIME_Part" X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at out005.verizon.net from [141.149.184.219] at Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:39:40 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3123146618_367301_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Mark-- That's a nice piece-- the space and balance of timbres work really well. I particularly liked the somewhat more freeform beginning and ending sections. Thanks for posting it. Dan -- ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com d.ans@verizon.net 617-470-2087 on 12/19/02 2:56 AM, Marklar at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: Hey gang, I recently met a vocalist named Maria and had an *amazing* jam. I hooked her up with my second Repeater and a Digitech DSP128. The rest is me and my drum machine. One take, so it's rough in spots. I caught a bit of it with Digital Performer 3 and have posted it as an mp3 for your listening pleasure. Enjoy my looping family. http://www.zerocrossing.net/mp3s/mark_maria12_02_edit.mp3 take care, Mark --MS_Mac_OE_3123146618_367301_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: A Looping Holiday Gift to my pals on LD Hi Mark--

That's a nice piece-- the space and balance of timbres work really well. I = particularly liked the somewhat more freeform beginning and ending sections.=

Thanks for posting it.

Dan

--
ghost 7/ Oranje
http://envelopeproductions.com
d.ans@verizon.net
617-470-2087

on 12/19/02 2:56 AM, Marklar at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:

Hey gang,

I recently met a vocalist named Maria and had an *amazing* jam. I hoo= ked
her up with my second Repeater and a Digitech DSP128. The rest is me = and my
drum machine. One take, so it's rough in spots. I caught a bit = of it with
Digital Performer 3 and have posted it as an mp3 for your listening
pleasure.

Enjoy my looping family.

http://www.zerocrossing.net/mp3s/mark_maria12_02_edit.mp3

take care,

Mark

--MS_Mac_OE_3123146618_367301_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 13:56:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08735; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:52:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:52:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021219184603.54552.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:46:03 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Subject: Re: Stereo Mixers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021217204801.00b34798@pop.charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have the LM-3204 also, and like it a lot. I've always lusted after the XTRAMIXcxi, but don't have an extra $3500.00 lying about : www.speck.com/xmix_2.shtml Occasionallysionally they have refurbished units available for a few hundred $$ less. Stephen > hans@ernieball.com wrote: > > > > > I like the Mackie LM-3204, which has two mono > and two stereo effect > > > sends (only the mono OR the stereo are available > at any given time per > > > channel). All of its inputs are mono/stereo. > The MONITOR bus also > > > makes a nice stereo send, as does the AUX 3/4 > bus. > > > > > > -Hans ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 15:02:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17214; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:59:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:59:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c2a790$6981d200$fc2c93d4@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: Subject: free ticket for tomorrow night in Nyon Switzerland for a very loopy night Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:56:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes I'm playing tomorrow at the Usine a Gaz in Nyon as SeeWhat? door at 21h concert at 22h the secret password for a free ticket will be "Loopers Delight is looper's delight " only valid untill start of the concert and if you show up after the show I'll offer the beer I've been on LD for more than 4 years played almost 25 looping gigs since and never met one of you at the gig Please show up please please..... Happy Hollydayes all Claude More on the SeeWhat? project http://www.hexadance.ch/fr/edito/interview/itw_cvoit.htm http://www.hexadance.ch/fr/edito/hexasense/bdn_chatnoir.htm http://www.music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/works_europe.html http://www.music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/ct_75/ct_75.html http://music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/acoustic/acoustic.html http://www.music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/works_europe.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=0110021 74832 http://matthias.grob.org/pMusEng/loopdev.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 15:05:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17669; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:04:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:04:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015b01c2a799$ab411800$a05c4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <002d01c2a790$6981d200$fc2c93d4@black> Subject: Re: free ticket for tomorrow night in Nyon Switzerland for a very loopy night Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:03:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Claude, dude, you gotta give us more notice, and find out what the nearest airport is to the venue that uses either RyanAir, Go or EastJet... :o) ..then I'll come and see you play! Loving your CD, BTW - excellent stuff! Cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claude Voit" To: Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 6:56 PM Subject: free ticket for tomorrow night in Nyon Switzerland for a very loopy night > Yes I'm playing tomorrow at the Usine a Gaz in Nyon as SeeWhat? door at 21h > concert at 22h > > the secret password for a free ticket will be "Loopers Delight is looper's > delight " only valid untill start of the concert > > and if you show up after the show I'll offer the beer > > I've been on LD for more than 4 years played almost 25 looping gigs since and > never met one of you at the gig > > Please show up please please..... > > > > Happy Hollydayes all > > Claude > > More on the SeeWhat? project > > http://www.hexadance.ch/fr/edito/interview/itw_cvoit.htm > http://www.hexadance.ch/fr/edito/hexasense/bdn_chatnoir.htm > http://www.music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/works_europe.html > http://www.music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/ct_75/ct_75.html > http://music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/acoustic/acoustic.html > http://www.music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/works_europe.html > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=011 0021 > 74832 > http://matthias.grob.org/pMusEng/loopdev.htm > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 15:15:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18868; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:14:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:14:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016c01c2a79b$01dc9d00$a05c4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <87.245f8611.2b33453a@aol.com> Subject: Advanced Warning of loads of Loop-intensive gigs in CA, USA in Jan/Feb 2003 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:12:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (here's how to do it Claude... :o) ...I've just updated the gig listing on my site, to include all my confirmed dates so far for CA in Jan/Feb Of particular loopalicious interest are a series of dates with Andre LaFosse and Rick Walker - all giving it large with our EDPs. It'll also include an EDP clinic at Bananas At Large. I've got loads of dates, spanning pretty much the length of California, from Anaheim to Sacramento, via lots of other places. Please come and say hi! See the list on my site at http://www.steve-lawson.co.uk have a great Christmas all, Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk (where to spend your not-at-all-hard earned christmas money...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 16:06:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23029; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:03:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:03:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2A7A1.ED5099FA" Subject: Guitarist Denis Taaffe update Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:02:23 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Guitarist Denis Taaffe update Thread-Index: AcKnpHSkjXrakhNMEdeZsERFU1QAAA== From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: , , "Sabine Clark" , "Gary Franklin" , "Keaston (E-mail)" , Cc: "Chris & Louise Hattingh" , "Brian Simmerman" , "Chuck Terrell (E-mail)" , "david Jewer (E-mail)" , "'Jchappell (E-mail)" , "Siwko-bajon, Paul G" , "Kellie Stoelting" , , "Brad Holtz" , "Robert Gowin" , , "craig t" , "Fender Artist Relations" , "Michael E Lille" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2002 21:02:24.0088 (UTC) FILETIME=[EDCB1D80:01C2A7A1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A7A1.ED5099FA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Hello, =20 Wanted to update you on Denis Taaffe's progress and recent events: =20 Guitar9.com ran a news update on Denis = recently, announcing Denis being selected to play a showcase for the = 7th Annual Millennium Music conference In = Harrisburg, PA held February 13-16, 2003.In addition, they also = mentioned 20th Century Guitar Magazine will = be reviewing Taaffe`s new CD release " Modern Rock Guitar Vol. = III" and that it is the = NAMM/ January edition. The CD will be reviewed by Robert Silverstein = who has reviewed Denis's first two releases.He will also be interviewed = in a future edition of 20th Century Guitar magazine.The review will also = be listed on the mwe3.com (Music web-express) music site. They also have = a link to a downloadable mp3 of a live concert Denis played recently. = Finally they announced the Lifetime endorsement Denis was given by = Seymour Duncan = pickups after his endorsement agreement had expired. You can see the = full news story by going to =20 http://www.guitar9.com/news.html=20 =20 Also, MI2n , the music industry news network, also ran a press release = announcing Denis accepting invitation to perform at this years = conference. =20 =20 http://www.mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=3D45625 . =20 Modern Rock = Guitar.vol.III" will no longer be available direct from dtguitar.com as = it is available for purchase at Amazon.com = , CDbaby.com = , Guitar9.com = and = FossilRecords.net . These sites = also Sell Denis's first two CD releases.=20 =20 Thanks and happy holidays, Denis =20 Denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A7A1.ED5099FA Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

       &nbs= p;            = ;=20

Wanted = to update you=20 on Denis Taaffe's progress and recent events:

Guitar9.com ran = a news=20 update on Denis recently, announcing Denis being selected to play = a=20 showcase for the 7th Annual = Millennium Music=20 conference In Harrisburg, PA held February 13-16, 2003.In addition, = they=20 also mentioned 20th Century Guitar = Magazine=20 will be reviewing Taaffe`s new CD release "Modern Rock Guitar = Vol.=20 III" and that it is the NAMM/ = January=20 edition. The CD will be reviewed = by Robert Silverstein who has reviewed Denis's first = two=20 releases.He will also be interviewed in a=20 future edition of 20th = Century Guitar magazine.The=20 review will also be listed on = the mwe3.com=20 (Music web-express) music site. = =20 They also have a link to a downloadable mp3 of a live concert = Denis played=20 recently. Finally they announced the Lifetime endorsement Denis was = given by Seymour Duncan=20 pickups after his endorsement = agreement=20 had expired. You can see the=20 full news story by going=20 to

http://www.guitar9.com/news.html=20

Also, = MI2n , the=20 music industry news network, also ran a press = release announcing Denis=20 accepting invitation to perform at this years conference.=20             &= nbsp;          =20

http://www.mi2n.= com/press.php3?press_nb=3D45625 .

Modern Rock=20 Guitar.vol.III" will no longer be available direct from dtguitar.com = as it=20 is available for purchase at Amazon.com, CDbaby.com, Guitar9.com= and FossilRecords.net . = These sites=20 also Sell Denis's first two CD releases.

Thanks = and happy=20 holidays,

Denis

Denis=20 Taaffe

denis@dtguitar.com
http://www.dtguitar.com=20
------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A7A1.ED5099FA-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 16:15:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23764; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:14:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:14:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009d01c2a3b8$33b7aae0$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA76@LON-MAIL07> Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: mathematic processes & tone clock Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 15:31:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009A_01C2A385.E70AFCB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <-AJ1N.A.OzF.sajA-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01C2A385.E70AFCB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] RE: mathematic processes & tone clock>>said that she found = this easy because "it was just math" >>she was one of the least inspired bassists I'd ever heard. I see what you mean, but then I wouldn't fault the chosen route to = inspiration (math), but the artist for failing to be inspired. The = same is true of any source for inspiration: love, politics, God. Much = bad art was made with the best of intentions. =20 One of my greatest stumbling blocks to my mathematical self was that I = didn't understand that, as a musician, I had a fine intuitive grasp of = spatial relationships through tone and time. When I was finally = exposed to Euclidian geometry in a sophisticated arena and was able to = associate Boolean logic with this graphical format; algebra, number = theory, and the rudiments of calculus all seemed to make a whole lot = more sense. This in turn came back to inform my understanding of = intonations and scales. Rhythm, tone, progression; all of these terms can be (and often are) = described mathematically. Math is only a language that describes the = characteristics of an object or phenomenon. While it will never be = possible to create a language that does not affect the message that it = is trying to convey, this is not a weakness, but a strength, in that we = as artists may analyze and express ourselves by an increasingly diverse = manner of methods. We already break it down abstractly all the time; on the fret board, on = the keyboard, across the keys of the flute. Seriously, think of what = the sound of music would be like if all the keys on the keyboard were = white, or were reversed where the pentatonic would be big and white and = the rest of the keys were little and black. The western mind began to = hear what it considered music and created instruments to create that = music, which influenced western musicians to create music that was = compatible to their instruments. Mozart surely had the faculty to = compose microtonal music that would be just as powerful and wonderful as = the work that he did with the traditional western scale. He even had = microtonally capable instruments (the entire orchestral string section), = there just weren't enough sitars and too many well tempered claviers = around. I guess that where this is all going is that raw mathematics offers an = open-ended manner to describe and create art with sound. Art conveys = meaning (or at least distributes meaning if you want to be = deconstructionalist about it). However, meaning is truly dependant on = the perceiver. Mathematics is a human method of describing the universe = and can convey meaning to the perceiver if the perceiver has the faculty = to decode the message. So, in other words, difficult modern = composition simply has a limited number of perceivers with the faculty = to decode its meaning. If the goal is universal accessibility, we = should all give it up and compose pop tunes for Brittany. I admit it, = I, personally, get sick of Phillip Glass after a pretty short time. = But maybe your bass player girlfriend just had a different target crowd = for her work. =20 We, as loopers, have adopted a rather exotic method of performance, if = not composition, which restricts our number of potential perceivers to a = degree. But then, I like bands that don't have a comparatively large = number of willing and successful perceivers. I think that within the = loop community, we have the type of artist that is already inclined = towards experimentation. So, go for it, base your music on a midi = representation of the rainfall distribution pattern across the Amazon = jungle over three years. Create shapes by connecting chords on the = tune clock. It's all a matter of interpretation. This is where you = come in: the connection with your intended perceiver. Simply consider = to whom you are speaking when you are forging your meaning and the = language will suggest itself. =20 Lance Chance =20 =20 www.chanceinformation.info =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 11:18 AM Subject: [looper's] RE: mathematic processes & tone clock >>mathematical artists start making me humble with the quickness<<=20 it's a fascinating relationship, for sure, but then analysing anything = in terms of maths and numerology can be fascinating for a while. an = ex-girlfriend of mine, who played the bass and sang, said that she found = this easy because "it was just math" and not at all a matter of dividing = one's concentration between two musical tasks. I struggled with this for = a while, and only later realised that she was one of the least inspired = bassists I'd ever heard. love is deaf, too. (colleen, if you ever see this, I'm referring to someone else. = honest.)=20 duncan/r.m.i.=20 = *************************************************************************= ** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may=20 not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct=20 and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe = *************************************************************************= ** ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01C2A385.E70AFCB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] RE: mathematic processes & tone = clock

>>said that she = found this=20 easy because "it was just math"

>>she was one of the = least=20 inspired bassists I'd ever heard.

I see what you mean, but = then I=20 wouldn't fault the chosen route to inspiration (math), but the artist = for=20 failing to be inspired.   The same is true of any source for=20 inspiration: love, politics, God.   Much bad art was made with = the=20 best of intentions.

One of my greatest = stumbling blocks=20 to my mathematical self was that I didn't understand that, as a = musician, I=20 had a fine intuitive grasp of spatial relationships through tone and=20 time.   When I was finally exposed to Euclidian geometry in a=20 sophisticated arena and was able to associate Boolean logic with this = graphical=20 format; algebra, number theory, and the rudiments of calculus all seemed = to make=20 a whole lot more sense. This in turn came back to inform my = understanding=20 of intonations and scales.

Rhythm, tone, progression; = all of=20 these terms can be (and often are) described mathematically.   = Math is=20 only a language that describes the characteristics of an object or=20 phenomenon. While it will never be possible to create a language = that does=20 not affect the message that it is trying to convey, this is not a = weakness, but=20 a strength, in that we as artists may analyze and express = ourselves by an=20 increasingly diverse manner of methods.

We already break it down = abstractly=20 all the time; on the fret board, on the keyboard, across the keys of the = flute.   Seriously, think of what the sound of music would be = like if=20 all the keys on the keyboard were white, or were reversed where the = pentatonic=20 would be big and white and the rest of the keys were little and=20 black.   The western mind began to hear what it considered = music and=20 created instruments to create that music, which influenced western=20 musicians to create music that was compatible to their = instruments.  =20 Mozart surely had the faculty to compose microtonal music that would be = just as=20 powerful and wonderful as the work that he did with the traditional = western=20 scale. He even had microtonally capable instruments = (the entire=20 orchestral string section), there just weren't enough sitars and = too many=20 well tempered claviers around.

I guess that where this is = all going=20 is that raw mathematics offers an open-ended manner to describe and = create art=20 with sound. Art conveys meaning (or at = least=20 distributes meaning if you want to be deconstructionalist about=20 it).   However, meaning is truly dependant on the = perceiver. =20 Mathematics is a human method of describing the universe and can convey = meaning=20 to the perceiver if the perceiver has the faculty to decode the=20 message.   So, in other words, difficult modern composition = simply has=20 a limited number of perceivers with the faculty to decode its=20 meaning.   If the goal is universal accessibility, we should = all give=20 it up and compose pop tunes for Brittany.   I admit it, I, = personally,=20 get sick of Phillip Glass after a pretty short time.   But = maybe your=20 bass player girlfriend just had a different target crowd for her=20 work=85

We, as loopers, have = adopted a=20 rather exotic method of performance, if not composition, which restricts = our=20 number of potential perceivers to a degree.   But then, I like bands = that don=92t=20 have a comparatively large number of willing and successful = perceivers.   I think that within the = loop=20 community, we have the type of artist that is already inclined towards=20 experimentation.   = So, go for=20 it, base your music on a midi representation of the rainfall = distribution=20 pattern across the Amazon jungle over three years.   Create shapes by = connecting chords=20 on the tune clock.   = It=92s all a=20 matter of interpretation. = This is=20 where you come in: the connection with your intended perceiver.   Simply consider to whom = you are=20 speaking when you are forging your meaning and the language will suggest = itself.

Lance = Chance

www.chanceinformation.info

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From:=20 goddard.duncan@mtvne.com =

To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20

Sent: Thursday, December 19, = 2002 11:18=20 AM

Subject: [looper's] RE: = mathematic=20 processes & tone clock

>>mathematical artists start making me humble = with the=20 quickness<<
it's a fascinating = relationship, for=20 sure, but then analysing anything in terms of maths and numerology can = be=20 fascinating for a while. an ex-girlfriend of mine, who played the bass = and=20 sang, said that she found this easy because "it was just math" and not = at all=20 a matter of dividing one's concentration between two musical tasks. I=20 struggled with this for a while, and only later realised that she was = one of=20 the least inspired bassists I'd ever heard. love is deaf, = too.

(colleen, if you ever see this, I'm referring to = someone else.=20 honest.)

duncan/r.m.i.
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MTV Networks=20 = Europe ***************************************************************= ************ ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01C2A385.E70AFCB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 16:26:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24663; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:25:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:25:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 22:24:43 +0100 Subject: Re: Stereo Mixers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20021219184603.54552.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <4A256918-1398-11D7-BA6F-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, December 19, 2002, at 07:46 PM, Stephen wrote: > I've always lusted after the XTRAMIXcxi, but don't have an > extra $3500.00 lying about : Why oh why did you give me that link??? Now I have severe equipment lust! :) It looks like a lovely mixer. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 16:41:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25475; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:40:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:40:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021219165436.00a608d0@pop3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000411630@pop3.freeler.nl (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:07:17 +0100 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Katja Subject: music by numbers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Ernesto, Jim, Mark, D.G., Everything in music goes by numbers: scales, harmonies, frequencies, beats and bars....The Tone Clock is nothing more than a visual aid in sharpening the awareness of meaningful harmonical structures, and as such it shows worlds of possibilities beyond the obligatory major and minor. The Tone Clock distinguishes itself from certain more personal compositorial systems in the sense that it is relevant for most existing music in twelve tone equal temperament. It's a pity the site shows quite limited information, there's more on internet but it's all in Dutch. The ninth hour (of the Tone Clock, yes) shows the intervals d-g and g-c: a triad composed of two fourths. In the twelve tone scale there's twelve unique triads, twelve 'hours', and the hours seem to show connections which cover patterns in lots of traditional and classical Western musics. I am not a composer, but I can imagine a composer's fascination in discovering a geometrical pattern underlying practically all Western music, containing more experimental links still to be tested! I have the same kind of fascination with sound content and frequencies. OK, you like a sound or you don't, no matter if you are familiar with acoustical theory, but if you want to control your sound production or create new sounds, it helps to know how sound is generated, and which are the fysical patterns governing sound production. Katja. Tone Clock link: www.xs4all.nl/~taede/toonklok/artikel/tonecl-e.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 17:13:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28211; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:09:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:09:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <042301c2a776$333a1820$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> <20021218220655.0B31516E8E@www.fastmail.fm> <3E012DED.4020101@quik.com> <003901c2a6e5$d032ffc0$0df8c440@g0wn7> <001501c2a387$da5f5b30$69894682@lance> <042301c2a776$333a1820$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:59:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: hofstadter /Dawkins Re: mathematic processes & tone clock Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:49 AM -0600 12/19/02, jim palmer wrote: > >Lance Chance wrote a bunch of stuff: >>... >>I, too, went through a math music phase during my 6th and 7th year of >>development... >>... > >excellent post. >i'm also a fan of hofstadter. Actually, the idea of memes is Richard Dawkins (sp?), not hofstadter (whom I'm also a fan of) >i never had a math block, so i have always known the connection >between math and music and never understood why it was >not obvious to everyone. -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 17:46:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29989; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:41:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:41:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:41:22 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: hofstadter /Dawkins Re: mathematic processes & tone clock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <066201c2a7af$c35ef1d0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> <20021218220655.0B31516E8E@www.fastmail.fm> <3E012DED.4020101@quik.com> <003901c2a6e5$d032ffc0$0df8c440@g0wn7> <001501c2a387$da5f5b30$69894682@lance> <042301c2a776$333a1820$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com huh? > > Actually, the idea of memes is Richard Dawkins (sp?), not hofstadter > (whom I'm also a fan of) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 18:46:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02500; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:45:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:45:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <154.1936f577.2b33b3f8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:44:56 EST Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: mathematic processes & tone clock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_154.1936f577.2b33b3f8_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_154.1936f577.2b33b3f8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/19/2002 12:26:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes: > but then analyzing anything in terms of maths and numerology can be > fascinating for a while i definitely make the distinction between math and numerology in the same way i make the distinction between astronomy and astrology. apple and oranges. =-) PJ --part1_154.1936f577.2b33b3f8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/19/2002 12:26:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com writes:

but then analyzing anything in terms of maths and numerology can be fascinating for a while

i definitely make the distinction between math and numerology in the same way i make the distinction between astronomy and astrology. apple and oranges. =-) PJ
--part1_154.1936f577.2b33b3f8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 23:09:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21315; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:07:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:07:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cave@pop1.osk.3web.ne.jp (Unverified) X-Mailer: Eudora 5.1-J For Mac OS X Message-Id: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:03:38 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: [webcast/gig info] 12/21 LAURA MAES in C.U.E. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, This is information of our series Internet broadcast live gig from Kobe,Japan. It called "Live from Far East". Vol.19 performance is 21th Dec. 2002 You can see our gig via Real Player. Please visit below: http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east or http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east/broadcast LAURA MAES in C.U.E. LAURA MAES (from Belgium) MSBR (from Tokyo) http://www.msbr.com DARUIN (from OSAKA) + Asako Iwasa(DANCE) http://www.neus318.com Sunao Inami (from Kobe) + Emi Makino(DANCE) http://www.cavestudio.com 19:00 - 22:00 (JST) = 10:00 - 13:00 (GMT) = 2:00 - 5:00 (PST) = 5:00 - 8:00 (EST) The World Clock - Time Zones http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ Download flyer http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east/flyer/1221_laura.jpg ------ More Info and contacts: C.U.E. http://www.cavestudio.org/cue cue@cavestudio.org CAPHOUSE #314, 3-19-8 Yamamoto Dori, Chuo-ku Kobe,Japan 650-0003 Tel & Fax : +81 (0)78-241-9389 ------ Previous gigs photos available on "Flash Back" http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east/flashback _____________________ Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 19 23:48:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22995; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:45:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:45:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E02A076.C12057D5@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:45:48 -0800 From: Matt McCabe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Darker Day Collective , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: mp3.com alternatives Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm looking for an alternative to mp3.com for one-off CD manufacturing. Ampcast.com appears to have a decent program. Does anyone have any experience dealing with them? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 00:35:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26740; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 00:34:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 00:34:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Eric Zang" To: Subject: FS: EDP EFC-7 footcontroller $15, Lexicon Vortex, mics, midi ft cntrl, levelar Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 22:33:52 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lexicon Vortex effects processor (without foot switch, but can add your own easily) $150 Excellent condition, with manual. Pacific Pro Audio LD-1 Large Diaphragm Condenser Microphone, with shock mount and original box. $70. Excellent condition. Specs: http://www.pacificproaudio.com/m_frame.asp?url=ld1_specsheet.html or http://www.pacificproaudio.com ART Levelar compressor excellent condition. $50. Shure SM10A headworn dynamic mic $50 excellent condition, with case. http://www.shure.com/microphones/models/sm10a.asp Peavey MAP 8x4 MIDI controlled patchbay, with manual and power supply. Some of the buttons do not respond, thereby limiting functionality to only two inputs. $25. Poor cosmetics. RFX MidiWizard MP1288 foot controller. With power supply. $65. Very good condition. Manual online at http://www.rolls.com/rfxnew/ Zoom 8050 foot controller. With manual and power supply. $65. Very good condition. Feature info and picture available upon request. Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro EDP EFC-7, foot controller. $15. Needs work, 2 buttons not functioning, likely need replacement. Picture available. 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Eric Zang www.ericzang.com mic mics PPA adk www.ericzang.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 03:17:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03706; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 03:08:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 03:08:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: Subject: EDP Problem: Delay in Mute mode Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 02:12:30 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm having a weird thing happen.. When I press Mute there is a short delay in it's activation and "ooo" comes up on the screen. It does it sometimes and then doesn't do it at other times. Any ideas???? I have both FCB1010 Midi foot controller and the analog FC7 hooked up to my one EDP... I am assuming there is no problem with that switching scenario. I like throwing myself fast learning curve balls! Arthur Lee www.arthurleemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 03:49:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05018; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 03:46:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 03:46:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ab01c2a7d1$cc9d9cc0$06f8c440@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP Problem: Delay in Mute mode Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 02:45:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com more than likely: the edp is waiting for the currently-running cycle to complete. quantize is the proper term...but then again, i've been drinking. not to suggest that you haven't done this, but a thorough read-through of the manual will illuminate many of the mighty edp's functions and quirks...and thus eliminate much of the "what the hell's going on" expressions. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 04:08:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA07313; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 04:06:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 04:06:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b101c2a7d4$a93b8230$06f8c440@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021219165436.00a608d0@pop3.freeler.nl> Subject: Re: music by numbers Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 03:05:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Everything in music goes by numbers" playing the devil's advocate, but who is to say which came first? for example: perhaps everything in numbers goes by music. why are numbers considered the basis? "The Tone Clock is nothing more than a visual aid in sharpening the awareness of meaningful harmonical structures, and as such it shows worlds of possibilities beyond the obligatory major and minor." if you remove the ears, you remove precisely what it is that makes it music. i can't think of the last time that music was "visual" and thus i (personally) not only need but see NO purpose in visual representations of anything musical. "I am not a composer, but I can imagine a composer's fascination in discovering a geometrical pattern underlying practically all Western music, containing more experimental links still to be tested!" yeah, the same kind of fascination that might accompany the discovery that dreams are merely synaptic farts. interesting, but not moving. when you use the word "experiment", it makes it sound like you're talking about science and not music. music is neither science nor sport. "OK, you like a sound or you don't, no matter if you are familiar with acoustical theory, but if you want to control your sound production or create new sounds, it helps to know how sound is generated, and which are the physical patterns governing sound production." the physical patterns are of virtually no signifcance. once again, music is not science (although it can be distilled into such). do you really think that the beach boys were thinking numbers when they recorded pet sounds? how about kevin sheilds when he was blowing creation's budget on "loveless"? perhaps it does help to know how sound is generated, etc. but i state that it doesn't hurt to not know. ah, beer. makes the conversation much...more...zzzzzzzzzzz -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 08:41:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA23733; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:39:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:39:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-23.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1040391518!27207 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA85@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: mathematic processes & tone clock Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:32:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2A82C.37D860B0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A82C.37D860B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>i definitely make the distinction between math and numerology in the same way i make the distinction between astronomy and astrology. apple and oranges. =-) PJ<< hmm.... I'd quite like you to elaborate, but fear we'd become unpopular w/ the list for veering OT into semantics. for me, math(s) and numerology are related in the same way as, say, locomotive engineering and trainspotting. that is to say, one is a detailed knowledge of the nuts and bolts, the intimate workings, quite possibly at the expense of a sense of the purpose of that engineering- too close to the workings to see the bigger picture.... while the other is a great deal of enthusiasm and curiosity eclipsing the business of getting better acquainted with the facts. returning to our musical context, I recall frank zappa's comments on the difference between a musician and a composer, and my own feelings about highly paid orchestral players who actually have a lot less to contribute musically than a kid with a strat who's learned three chords. somewhere in the middle is where the ideal lies- true understanding of one's subject, but without taking all the mystery/fun/soul/whatever out of it. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A82C.37D860B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] RE: mathematic processes & tone clock
>>i definitely make the distinction between math an= d numerology in the same way i make the distinction between astronomy and a= strology. apple and oranges. =3D-) PJ<<

hmm.... I'd quite like you to elaborate, but fear we'd be= come unpopular w/ the list for veering OT into semantics.

for me, math(s) and numerology are related in the same wa= y as, say, locomotive engineering and trainspotting. that is to say, one is= a detailed knowledge of the nuts and bolts, the intimate workings, quite p= ossibly at the expense of a sense of the purpose of that engineering- too c= lose to the workings to see the bigger picture.... while the other is a gre= at deal of enthusiasm and curiosity eclipsing the business of getting bette= r acquainted with the facts.

returning to our musical context, I recall frank zappa's = comments on the difference between a musician and a composer, and my own fe= elings about highly paid orchestral players who actually have a lot less to= contribute musically than a kid with a strat who's learned three chords. s= omewhere in the middle is where the ideal lies- true understanding of one's= subject, but without taking all the mystery/fun/soul/whatever out of it.

duncan/r.m.i.
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MTV Networks Europe ***************************************************************************= ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A82C.37D860B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 09:33:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27549; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:30:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:30:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mark Kunzmann" To: Subject: RE: free ticket for tomorrow night in Nyon Switzerland for a very loopy night Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:29:45 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <002d01c2a790$6981d200$fc2c93d4@black> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavis-milter (http://amavis.org/) Resent-Message-ID: <5h3G8C.A.XuG.ylyA-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Claude, I'd come down to see you (I live in Basel) but I need to know a little sooner next time... Have a good gig! cheers, Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] > Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 7:57 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: free ticket for tomorrow night in Nyon Switzerland for a very > loopy night > > > Yes I'm playing tomorrow at the Usine a Gaz in Nyon as SeeWhat? > door at 21h > concert at 22h > > the secret password for a free ticket will be "Loopers Delight > is looper's > delight " only valid untill start of the concert > > and if you show up after the show I'll offer the beer > > I've been on LD for more than 4 years played almost 25 looping > gigs since and > never met one of you at the gig > > Please show up please please..... > > > > Happy Hollydayes all > > Claude > > More on the SeeWhat? project > > http://www.hexadance.ch/fr/edito/interview/itw_cvoit.htm > http://www.hexadance.ch/fr/edito/hexasense/bdn_chatnoir.htm > http://www.music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/works_europe.html > http://www.music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/ct_75/ct_75.html > http://music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/acoustic/acoustic.html > http://www.music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/works_europe.html > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_pr ofile&id=0110021 74832 http://matthias.grob.org/pMusEng/loopdev.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 09:38:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28023; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:34:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:34:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013d01c2a449$91b87cf0$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> <20021218220655.0B31516E8E@www.fastmail.fm> <3E012DED.4020101@quik.com> <003901c2a6e5$d032ffc0$0df8c440@g0wn7> <001501c2a387$da5f5b30$69894682@lance> <042301c2a776$333a1820$080210ac@jpalmer> <066201c2a7af$c35ef1d0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: hofstadter /Dawkins Re: mathematic processes & tone clock Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 08:52:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <_iUS_C.A.x1G.OqyA-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 1. Memetics is the study of the ecology of cultural transmission. A meme is the basic unit of replication for cultural artifacts and ideas. I went to google and turned up: www.memes.net Actually, the concepts look pretty durn cool alright. However, I'm not really sure that I know where in the thread these ideas had been attributed to Hofstadter. On cursory inspection this memes thing looks like a slightly more culturally oriented set of ideas than Hofstadter's; who, it seemed, was more interested in perception from the point of the individual. While culture plays a part in his theories, it is not necessarily the central issue. Thanks for the introduction, this concept and I will have to get to know each other a little better. Would you mind, Emile, elucidating a bit on your last post? lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim palmer" To: Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 4:41 PM Subject: Re: hofstadter /Dawkins Re: mathematic processes & tone clock > huh? > > > > > Actually, the idea of memes is Richard Dawkins (sp?), not hofstadter > > (whom I'm also a fan of) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 10:08:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31436; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:05:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:05:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:05:48 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: hofstadter /Dawkins Re: mathematic processes & tone clock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <067c01c2a839$47842500$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> <20021218220655.0B31516E8E@www.fastmail.fm> <3E012DED.4020101@quik.com> <003901c2a6e5$d032ffc0$0df8c440@g0wn7> <001501c2a387$da5f5b30$69894682@lance> <042301c2a776$333a1820$080210ac@jpalmer> <066201c2a7af$c35ef1d0$080210ac@jpalmer> <013d01c2a449$91b87cf0$69894682@lance> Resent-Message-ID: <78Mx_.A.GrH.NHzA-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hofstadter wrote quite a bit about the meme meme. he never claimed to own it. and who can own a meme anyway... the concept had not been mentioned in this thread, thus my perplexed reply... >... > Actually, the concepts look pretty durn cool alright. However, I'm not > really sure that I know where in the thread these ideas had been attributed > to Hofstadter. On cursory inspection this memes thing looks like a > slightly more culturally oriented set of ideas than Hofstadter's; who, it > seemed, was more interested in perception from the point of the individual. > While culture plays a part in his theories, it is not necessarily the > central issue. >... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 10:31:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00344; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:30:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:30:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:30:39 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: music by numbers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <06a201c2a83c$c0399ae0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021219165436.00a608d0@pop3.freeler.nl> <00b101c2a7d4$a93b8230$06f8c440@g0wn7> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > "Everything in music goes by numbers" > > playing the devil's advocate, but who is to say which came first? for > example: perhaps everything in numbers goes by music. why are numbers > considered the basis? > numbers are just another way of describing the same thing. if you say "this song is in E" you are being just as abstract... >... > i can't think of the last time that music was "visual" ... it was just a few weeks ago on this very list, remember? >...and thus i > (personally) not only need but see NO purpose in visual representations of > anything musical. > it can definitely improve the speed at which one can learn a concept, generate material, expand a development section, etc... it can also make these things possible for people like me with no attention span... >.... music is neither science nor sport.... it is both and more... >...do you really think > that the beach boys were thinking numbers when they recorded pet sounds? yes. (probably not consciously) > ... > perhaps it does help to know how sound is generated, etc. but i state that > it doesn't hurt to not know. much better. it seemed you were insisting that it did hurt to know. i agree that it is not for everyone. most of the early jazz greats didn't know what to call the chords, but they could hear them. >... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 10:31:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00391; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:31:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:31:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017d01c2a451$6cf00250$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA85@LON-MAIL07> Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: mathematic processes & tone clock Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:48:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_017A_01C2A41F.203EC040" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_017A_01C2A41F.203EC040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] RE: mathematic processes & tone clock>>i definitely make the = distinction between math and numerology in the same way i make the = distinction between astronomy and astrology. apple and oranges. =3D-) = PJ<< >hmm.... I'd quite like you to elaborate, but fear we'd become unpopular = w/ the list for veering OT into semantics.< I think that we can keep this on topic quite easily. I am not a = numerologist. I do not believe that I can either divine or affect my = surroundings by numbers alone. However, the spiritual phenomenon that = has recurred throughout history that has been described as "numerology" = is just as fascinating and inspirational as that of the Knights Templar, = UFOs or the Catholic Church (no offence intended, I'm Catholic). = Honestly, Pythagoreanism as a concept is one of the things that charmed = me into my recent math phase. Math alone is nothing to me, numerology = adds a richness of meaning to raw math that is akin to another = relationship that is close to all of our hearts: music theory and = inspiration (whether improvisational or compositional). =20 Raw music theory is truly a mathematical set of concepts if there ever = was one. However, it is simply a set of theories used to describe what = we already heard in our hearts. As we developed our theories about = music, our music developed to reflect these theories. Hence the = preoccupation in western Europe with the standard twelve tone. I do = not believe in the inherent mystical properties of the Dorian mode, but = it sure doesn't hurt to know that someone did, and what they thought = about it. Math without culture is nothing because it is an abstract = idea, so is music theory. However, the phenomenon that the theory = describes is inextricably linked to it because it informs and changes = the phenomenon as it describes it. =20 Think of your looper, you create a phrase and hit loop at the end, now = you have a loop defined and you play along with it. The impetus could = be said to be an act of pure creation defining tempo and tone without = any reference but the will of the creator. However, from this point = forward (until you kill the loop) all that is put in will be affected by = what was there before. If you play along then it harmonizes, if you = ignore your previous input, it clashes, but it always interacts. Even = if you do not have your feedback on 100% and after many cycles the = original content is lost forever, the subsequent loops reflected and = responded to the content you can no longer hear and now you reflect and = respond to that subsequent content. If you play a song in 7/8 because = that's your lucky number, you need not create the entire content to = reflect that motive, however the motive will still be affecting the = content. =20 There, nice and on topic. That's probably what looping is such an = important music form for me; because it can always come back around to = that. ;o) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 7:32 AM Subject: [looper's] RE: mathematic processes & tone clock >>i definitely make the distinction between math and numerology in the = same way i make the distinction between astronomy and astrology. apple = and oranges. =3D-) PJ<< hmm.... I'd quite like you to elaborate, but fear we'd become = unpopular w/ the list for veering OT into semantics.=20 for me, math(s) and numerology are related in the same way as, say, = locomotive engineering and trainspotting. that is to say, one is a = detailed knowledge of the nuts and bolts, the intimate workings, quite = possibly at the expense of a sense of the purpose of that engineering- = too close to the workings to see the bigger picture.... while the other = is a great deal of enthusiasm and curiosity eclipsing the business of = getting better acquainted with the facts. returning to our musical context, I recall frank zappa's comments on = the difference between a musician and a composer, and my own feelings = about highly paid orchestral players who actually have a lot less to = contribute musically than a kid with a strat who's learned three chords. = somewhere in the middle is where the ideal lies- true understanding of = one's subject, but without taking all the mystery/fun/soul/whatever out = of it. duncan/r.m.i.=20 = *************************************************************************= ** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may=20 not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct=20 and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe = *************************************************************************= ** ------=_NextPart_000_017A_01C2A41F.203EC040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] RE: mathematic processes & tone = clock

>>i definitely make the distinction between math = and=20 numerology in the same way i make the distinction between astronomy and=20 astrology. apple and oranges. =3D-) PJ<<

>hmm.... I'd quite like you to elaborate, but fear = we'd=20 become unpopular w/ the list for veering OT into = semantics.<

I think that we can keep this on topic quite easily.   I am = not a=20 numerologist. I do not believe that I can either divine or affect = my=20 surroundings by numbers alone.   However, the spiritual = phenomenon=20 that has recurred throughout history that has been described as = "numerology" is=20 just as fascinating and inspirational as that of the Knights Templar, = UFOs or=20 the Catholic Church (no offence intended, I'm Catholic).   = Honestly,=20 Pythagoreanism as a concept is one of the things that charmed me into my = recent=20 math phase.   Math alone is nothing to me, numerology adds a = richness=20 of meaning to raw math that is akin to another relationship that is = close to all=20 of our hearts: music theory and inspiration (whether improvisational or=20 compositional).

Raw music theory is truly a mathematical set of concepts if there = ever was=20 one.   However, it is simply a set of theories used to = describe what=20 we already heard in our hearts.   As we developed our theories = about=20 music, our music developed to reflect these theories.   = Hence the=20 preoccupation in western Europe with the standard twelve = tone.   I do=20 not believe in the inherent mystical properties of the Dorian mode, but = it sure=20 doesn't hurt to know that someone did, and what they thought about=20 it.   Math without culture is nothing because it is an = abstract idea,=20 so is music theory.   However, the phenomenon that the=20 theory describes is inextricably linked to it because it = informs and=20 changes the phenomenon as it describes it.

Think of your looper, you create a phrase and hit loop at the end, = now you=20 have a loop defined and you play along with it.   The impetus = could be=20 said to be an act of pure creation defining tempo and tone without any = reference=20 but the will of the creator. However, from this point forward = (until you=20 kill the loop) all that is put in will be affected by what was there=20 before.  If you play along then it harmonizes, if you ignore = your=20 previous input, it clashes, but it always interacts.   Even if = you do=20 not have your feedback on 100% and after many cycles the original = content is=20 lost forever, the subsequent loops reflected and responded to the = content you=20 can no longer hear and now you reflect and respond to that subsequent=20 content.   If you play a song in 7/8 because that's your = lucky=20 number, you need not create the entire content to reflect that motive, = however=20 the motive will still be affecting the content.

There, nice and on topic.   That's probably what looping is = such an=20 important music form for me; because it can always come back around to = that.=20 ;o)

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 goddard.duncan@mtvne.com =

To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20

Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 = 7:32=20 AM

Subject: [looper's] RE: = mathematic=20 processes & tone clock

>>i definitely make the distinction between = math and=20 numerology in the same way i make the distinction between astronomy = and=20 astrology. apple and oranges. =3D-) PJ<<

hmm.... I'd quite like you to elaborate, but fear = we'd become=20 unpopular w/ the list for veering OT into semantics.

for me, math(s) and numerology are related in the = same way as,=20 say, locomotive engineering and trainspotting. that is to say, one is = a=20 detailed knowledge of the nuts and bolts, the intimate workings, quite = possibly at the expense of a sense of the purpose of that engineering- = too=20 close to the workings to see the bigger picture.... while the other is = a great=20 deal of enthusiasm and curiosity eclipsing the business of getting = better=20 acquainted with the facts.

returning to our musical context, I recall frank = zappa's=20 comments on the difference between a musician and a composer, and my = own=20 feelings about highly paid orchestral players who actually have a lot = less to=20 contribute musically than a kid with a strat who's learned three = chords.=20 somewhere in the middle is where the ideal lies- true understanding of = one's=20 subject, but without taking all the mystery/fun/soul/whatever out of=20 it.

duncan/r.m.i.
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MTV Networks=20 = Europe ***************************************************************= ************ ------=_NextPart_000_017A_01C2A41F.203EC040-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 10:48:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01498; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:46:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:46:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c2a840$bc785050$46a55e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: <00ab01c2a7d1$cc9d9cc0$06f8c440@g0wn7> Subject: Re: EDP Problem: Delay in Mute mode Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 07:59:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Possibly the "Lame Duck Period?" Dav id jim said: > more than likely: the edp is waiting for the currently-running cycle to > complete. quantize is the proper term...but then again, i've been drinking. > > not to suggest that you haven't done this, but a thorough read-through of > the manual will illuminate many of the mighty edp's functions and > quirks...and thus eliminate much of the "what the hell's going on" > expressions. > > -jim Arthur originally said: >> I'm having a weird thing happen.. >> >> When I press Mute there is a short delay in it's activation and "ooo" comes >> up on the screen. > (...) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 10:50:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01768; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:49:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:49:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <018901c2a453$f4093480$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> <20021218220655.0B31516E8E@www.fastmail.fm> <3E012DED.4020101@quik.com> <003901c2a6e5$d032ffc0$0df8c440@g0wn7> <001501c2a387$da5f5b30$69894682@lance> <042301c2a776$333a1820$080210ac@jpalmer> <066201c2a7af$c35ef1d0$080210ac@jpalmer> <013d01c2a449$91b87cf0$69894682@lance> <067c01c2a839$47842500$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: hofstadter /Dawkins Re: mathematic processes & tone clock Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 10:06:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > hofstadter wrote quite a bit about the meme meme. (thought it was a typo but then got then joke, teehee.) Wow, does he talk about it in G�del Escher Bach. It's a big book and I'm still working on it. It's something like Foucault's Pendulum for me and I get 4 pages along or so before I have to go cross reference something to truly grasp what the hell is going on. Reading it has been just as much of a mystical experience for me, as well. LOOPERS REALLY NEED TO GET THIS BOOK. It's very like what we do with sound but applied to life. I'm thinking of doing my loop performances under the name Recursive Algorythm. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim palmer" To: Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 9:05 AM Subject: Re: hofstadter /Dawkins Re: mathematic processes & tone clock > hofstadter wrote quite a bit about the meme meme. > he never claimed to own it. and who can own a meme anyway... > > the concept had not been mentioned in this thread, thus my perplexed reply... > > >... > > Actually, the concepts look pretty durn cool alright. However, I'm not > > really sure that I know where in the thread these ideas had been attributed > > to Hofstadter. On cursory inspection this memes thing looks like a > > slightly more culturally oriented set of ideas than Hofstadter's; who, it > > seemed, was more interested in perception from the point of the individual. > > While culture plays a part in his theories, it is not necessarily the > > central issue. > >... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 11:52:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05692; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:47:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:47:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c2a846$c55ed9e0$32615cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #300 for December 19, 2002 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:41:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #300 December 19, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Jonn Serrie, a defining pioneer of the spacemusic genre. The Featured CD at midnight was "Planetary Chronicles Volume 2" on the Miramar label. I played the music of Terra Ambient and Stephen Philips, two of the acts which will appear at WINTER MOON, The Pittsburgh Ambient Solstice Festival. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Chronos" by Michael Stearns on the Sonic Atmospheres label. Jonn Serrie http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#dec WINTER MOON http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Michael Stearns Angels and Bells Chronos (Sonic Atmospheres) AirSculpture, Star Syncing in the Swamp Okefenokee Dreams 2002 Sounds Orchestra et al (unreleased) Rob Essers The Ability to Dream Raincolors (Groove) Thought Guild Distant Star [context] (HRR) Rudy Adrian and Deep Within Forbidden Across the Silver Sky (Groove) Ron Boots Mountains Terra Ambient The Glass House The Darker Space (Space for Music) Metlay! Necrocosm After Silence (Atomic City) Stephen Philips Alone Again Reflections in Water (Dark Duck) 12:00 am Jonn Serrie First Night Out Planetary Chronicles Volume 2 (Miramar) Jonn Serrie Vista Range Planetary Chronicles Volume 2 (Miramar) Jonn Serrie Aftervisions Planetary Chronicles Volume 2 (Miramar) Jonn Serrie Continuum Planetary Chronicles Volume 2 (Miramar) Jonn Serrie On a Frontier of Fables Planetary Chronicles Volume 2 (Miramar) Steve Roach Begins Looking Skyward Day Out of Time (Timeroom) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Jonn Serrie. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Flightpath" on the Miramar label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Timewind" by Klaus Schulze on the Caroline label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 12:51:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10104; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:48:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:48:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "marcus rojo" To: Subject: RE: EDP EFC-7 footcontroller $15, Lexicon Vortex, mics, midi ft cntrl, levelar Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:01:24 -0800 Message-ID: <000901c2a851$cfe98440$824d3c04@dslverizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop017.verizon.net from [4.60.77.130] at Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:47:59 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I will take the RFX MidiWizard MP 1288 if it is still available. Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Eric Zang [mailto:ericzang@mm2k.net] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 9:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: EDP EFC-7 footcontroller $15, Lexicon Vortex, mics, midi ft cntrl, levelar Lexicon Vortex effects processor (without foot switch, but can add your own easily) $150 Excellent condition, with manual. Pacific Pro Audio LD-1 Large Diaphragm Condenser Microphone, with shock mount and original box. $70. Excellent condition. Specs: http://www.pacificproaudio.com/m_frame.asp?url=ld1_specsheet.html or http://www.pacificproaudio.com ART Levelar compressor excellent condition. $50. Shure SM10A headworn dynamic mic $50 excellent condition, with case. http://www.shure.com/microphones/models/sm10a.asp Peavey MAP 8x4 MIDI controlled patchbay, with manual and power supply. Some of the buttons do not respond, thereby limiting functionality to only two inputs. $25. Poor cosmetics. RFX MidiWizard MP1288 foot controller. With power supply. $65. Very good condition. Manual online at http://www.rolls.com/rfxnew/ Zoom 8050 foot controller. With manual and power supply. $65. Very good condition. Feature info and picture available upon request. Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro EDP EFC-7, foot controller. $15. Needs work, 2 buttons not functioning, likely need replacement. Picture available. Pictures available. Non credit card source Paypal accepted, or money order. Shipping (actual) additional. Located in Phoenix, AZ. I have references. Will consider trades. Eric Zang www.ericzang.com mic mics PPA adk www.ericzang.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 14:02:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15139; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:57:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:57:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021220105344.0496b1b8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:57:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Problem: Delay in Mute mode In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:12 AM 12/20/2002, ARTHUR LEE MUSIC wrote: >I'm having a weird thing happen.. > >When I press Mute there is a short delay in it's activation and "ooo" comes >up on the screen. >It does it sometimes and then doesn't do it at other times. Any ideas???? you have quantize turned on. Actions you press will wait until the next quantize point before they start. If quantize=loop, that means the next loop startpoint. If quantize=cycle, the next cycle startpoint. If quantize=8th, the next subdivision of the cycle. If it is off, then any action starts immediately. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 14:10:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17171; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:07:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:07:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:03:36 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: music by numbers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3E036988.D2C57FCB@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021219165436.00a608d0@pop3.freeler.nl> <00b101c2a7d4$a93b8230$06f8c440@g0wn7> <06a201c2a83c$c0399ae0$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Numbers are just language. An abstraction we use to describe natural phenomana. Useful, but not nessecary at all. Music doesn not "go by the numbers" but it can be described with them. I suck at math and barely read music. Sparrows know nothing of areodynamics either, yet they fly REAL GOOD. Mark Sottilaro jim palmer wrote: > > > "Everything in music goes by numbers" > > > > playing the devil's advocate, but who is to say which came first? for > > example: perhaps everything in numbers goes by music. why are numbers > > considered the basis? > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 14:20:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17708; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:17:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:17:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:17:04 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: music by numbers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002101c2a85c$61c58f30$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021219165436.00a608d0@pop3.freeler.nl> <00b101c2a7d4$a93b8230$06f8c440@g0wn7> <06a201c2a83c$c0399ae0$080210ac@jpalmer> <3E036988.D2C57FCB@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just wanted to point out that neither of those quotes were from me. also: sparrows clearly know something of aerodynamics. > Numbers are just language. An abstraction we use to describe natural > phenomana. Useful, but not nessecary at all. Music doesn not "go by > the numbers" but it can be described with them. I suck at math and > barely read music. Sparrows know nothing of areodynamics either, yet > they fly REAL GOOD. > > Mark Sottilaro > > jim palmer wrote: > > > > > "Everything in music goes by numbers" > > > > > > playing the devil's advocate, but who is to say which came first? for > > > example: perhaps everything in numbers goes by music. why are numbers > > > considered the basis? > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 15:58:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23720; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:54:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:54:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021220194638.00a923f0@pop3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000411630@pop3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:54:10 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Katja Subject: Re: music by numbers In-Reply-To: <00b101c2a7d4$a93b8230$06f8c440@g0wn7> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021219165436.00a608d0@pop3.freeler.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <3WfrOB.A.iyF.cO4A-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >perhaps it does help to know how sound is generated, etc. but i state that >it doesn't hurt to not know. > >ah, beer. makes the conversation much...more...zzzzzzzzzzz > >-jim cheers. That's what I mean. Some people make beautiful music not bothered by musical theory, some people spend a lifetime analyzing and theorizing about cents and comma's (e.g. Harry Partch), and I am not interested in discussing which way is best, in terms of ethics or esthaetics. To me it's a matter of means to an end. To illustrate my fascination for fysical patterns in sound generation I will give an example. I am interested in sounds which vary not only in pitch or volume but also in quality, like different vowels in vocals. A wah pedal does this for guitar. But how can I do this with an acoustical instrument, without the help of electronics? For trumpet and trombone this can be done with various damping devices, by which you actually change fysical dimensions of the bell. I wanted to see if this can be done for a reed instrument. Acoustical theory helped me to devise a reed instrument with a resonator for each note. The formant of each resonator can still be altered by covering and uncovering the holes. Is this science or music? Again, I don't mind how you call it; I'm just pleased with the sounding result, quite different from any other instrument. And I am fascinated by the fact that sounds can be visualised, in waveforms by means of an oscilloscope, or with spectral analysis. It effectively supports understanding of acoustical theory, which in turn shows why certain experiments work and others don't. It feeds my fantasies about sound dissociated from their traditional propagators, the existing instruments. It's just part of my toolbox. By the way, numbers were implicit in music long before maths were invented. Anthropologists have found primitive societies where the concept of time is non-existent. But they did not find societies without music. And where music is, there is rhythm, and scales, with fixed intervals. Obviously musicians can play with scrutinous precision to the rhythms and scales whether or not they are interested in visual representation. The fact is that the musical mind loves to hear repetition in well-defined portions of time and pitch. Musical theorists (e.g. Pythagoras) have analysed these patterns and described them in terms of numbers, and in turn influenced musical practice by refining and promoting their theory. This dialectical process is of course still going on these days. Please note I am not suggesting only theorists contribute to the development of music, I merely state they can contribute to it. Katja. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 16:03:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25180; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:59:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:59:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:59:27 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: hofstadter /Dawkins Re: mathematic processes & tone clock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006e01c2a86a$bb24b520$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001001c2a5b8$fd9919f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <5.1.0.14.0.20021218183849.00a61d20@pop3.freeler.nl> <20021218220655.0B31516E8E@www.fastmail.fm> <3E012DED.4020101@quik.com> <003901c2a6e5$d032ffc0$0df8c440@g0wn7> <001501c2a387$da5f5b30$69894682@lance> <042301c2a776$333a1820$080210ac@jpalmer> <066201c2a7af$c35ef1d0$080210ac@jpalmer> <013d01c2a449$91b87cf0$69894682@lance> <067c01c2a839$47842500$080210ac@jpalmer> <018901c2a453$f4093480$69894682@lance> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Wow, does he talk about it in G�del Escher Bach. definitely in metamagical themas. it's a bound version of his columns for scientific american magazine. not sure about others... >... > LOOPERS REALLY NEED TO GET THIS > BOOK. It's very like what we do with sound but applied to life. I'm > thinking of doing my loop performances under the name Recursive Algorythm. > not so sure this book is for everyone. but the "carrollian" dialogs between chapters would be fun for people who are not so into the formal stuff... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 16:18:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26394; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:15:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:15:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021220211446.36295.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:14:46 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: music by numbers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002101c2a85c$61c58f30$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- jim palmer wrote: > sparrows clearly know something of aerodynamics. Are these fully-laden African or European sparrows? :^) Back to the OT, I ran across this the other day: Looks like a mathematical relationship between notes has been around for a while! -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 18:15:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02177; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:09:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:09:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:06:16 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: music by numbers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3E03A268.3AC1CDF2@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20021220211446.36295.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, they don't. I didn't know anything about stereo vision when I was young, yet I had depth perception. I didn't know about how my heart worked, yet blood pumped around. I learned to walk without knowing how my brain used visual and information from my inner ear to let me balance. The same way I stand upright, birds fly. They don't necessarily have to *know* about the principals to know how to do it. Birds do know how to fly (most do) yet they don't understand principals of air pressure and lift. Mark Sottilaro Tim Nelson wrote: > > --- jim palmer wrote: > > sparrows clearly know something of aerodynamics. > > Are these fully-laden African or European sparrows? > :^) > > Back to the OT, I ran across this the other day: > > > Looks like a mathematical relationship between notes > has been around for a while! > > -t- > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 19:16:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06169; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:06:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:06:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:06:14 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: music by numbers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00f301c2a884$c6cb0ae0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20021220211446.36295.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> <3E03A268.3AC1CDF2@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > No, they don't. I didn't know anything about stereo vision when I was > young, yet I had depth perception. I didn't know about how my heart > worked, yet blood pumped around. I learned to walk without knowing how > my brain used visual and information from my inner ear to let me > balance. The same way I stand upright, birds fly. They don't > necessarily have to *know* about the principals to know how to do it. > Birds do know how to fly (most do) yet they don't understand principals > of air pressure and lift. > > Mark Sottilaro > we're really getting into sticky philosophical territory here. what does it mean to know something? if your brain used visual information from your inner ear, i say you knew it. if you loop that information it magically becomes topical... say, that suggests an interesting analogy. do you need to know the capabilities of the edp to loop with it? no, but it sure helps some people. (i'm gonna go ahead and say most people) same with formal music systems. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 19:29:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06832; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:19:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:19:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c2a886$bd407f80$d97bbfa8@6946cjm7q384> Reply-To: "Miracle Mary-Anne Music" From: "Miracle Mary-Anne Music" To: References: <000f01c2a47c$524133e0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Subject: Re: Simplification -> stuff for sale!! Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:20:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <8nbrJD.A.qqB.gO7A-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just checked again, your letter, I might be interested in more of your gear, I will be in touch with some questions, if you wish, Thanks Pete Francz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Cox" To: Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 3:55 PM Subject: OT: Simplification -> stuff for sale!! > Hi gang! > > I've made the move to simplifying my entire setup, and therefore I have the > following stuff up for sale. I'm posting here because a lot of this stuff > might appeal to the LD community. JPG pics are available upon request. > Please contact me offlist if you are interested in any of these things. > I'll wait until the middle of next week before I venture into the badlands > of eBay. > > These prices do not include shipping/insurance. I'm willing to ship USPS or > UPS, your preference. > > ========== > Roland GR-1 Guitar Synth w/ expanded memory card and 13 pin cable - $200 > Includes the SR-GR1-01 expanded sound library, bringing the total memory to > 6MB, and doubling the available tones. Includes GR1 manual, power supply, > and 30 foot 13-pin cable. Fripp still uses this one because of it's > beautiful tones and flexibility. > > Roland GK-2A guitar synth pickup - $100 > Designed for all of the GR series guitar synths, as well as the VG stuff. > Perfect working condition. Includes mounting bracket for no-impact mounting > of the GK-2A controller on your guitar. Also includes pickup mounting > screws and springs for permanent pickup mount. I do not have the 2 sided > tape for temporary installs, but you can get some at your local hardware > store. > > Buy the GR-1 and the GK-2A - $250 > > Lexicon Vortex w/ power supply and manual - $100 > The Vortex is a digital sound processor capable of phase, flange, chorus, > tremolo, pan and vibrato effects with an analogue type sound. It is also a > 2sec echo/looper or a dual 1sec echo. It can combine these effects in a > number of ways. But.... setting up any two of these sounds you can blend > seamlessly from one to another by a process known as morphing, and you can > do this with footpedal control. > > Boss RPS-10 and RDD-20 in single space rack shelf w/ power supply - $200 > The Boss RPS-10 is the well known delay, reverse delay and pitch shifter. > Used by Adrian Belew to deliver his signature reverse guitar sound. The > RDD-20 is lesser known, but also a beautiful tone monster. Regular and > modulated delays, with tone controls that effect the echoes. This combo > includes a Boss PSA 120T power supply and a daisy chain cable to link power > from one box to the next. > > Tube Works Blue Tube preamp/overdrive pedal - $100 > Warm things up with a 12AX7 tube and full tone controls (Hi, Mid, Low, > Output and Drive). Very quiet and warm. Can go from clean tube to blues > breakup and crunch. Perfect way to warm up a solid state rig. > > Electro Harmonix Small Clone Reissue w/ power supply and original wooden > box - $40 > You know this one. Considered by some to be the very best stompbox chorus > available. Note that this comes with the proper EH power supply. > > Hughes & Kettner Jekyll & Hyde Overdrive/Distortion w/ One Spot power > supply - $120 > 2 channel overdrive/disto stompbox. Jekyll channel sounds like the original > TS808 and even uses the JRC4558 op-amp. Hyde channel goes from blues to > metal and everything in between. EQ knob on Hyde changes from a flat EQ to > a wild scooped mids sound, while the Sharp/Blunt switch allows you to get a > very bright or more compressed sound. Sweet. > > Danelectro Free Speech Inline Talkbox - $50 > Recently purchased and only used once for recording. Tube thoroughly > cleaned with isopropyl alcohol! The Free Speech is an *inline* talkbox, so > the sound shaped by your mouth is returned to your normal signal path, and > sent to your normal amplifier. No need to an extra amp, or an extra > microphone and PA. Amazing sounds out of this little bugger!! > > SKB 8 Space Roto Rack - $100 > Like brand new. Removable front lid and back panel for easy access. > Rackable Mount Depth: 17 3/4", Lid Depth: 2 1/4", Max. Int. Width: 17 3/4", > Max. Int. Height: 15", Exterior Dimensions: 22" W, 21 3/4" D, 16 7/8" H, > Weight: 13.5 lbs. > > Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Footswitch (EFC-7) - $80 > Perfect condition. Just don't need it any more - I've gone MIDI for > control. > > Boss PW-10 COSM Wah w/ Boss power supply - $100 > I love this thing, but I'm letting it go because it's covered in my GT-6. > This powerful pedal gives guitarists and bassists instant access to six > classic and modern wah sounds, plus all-new "Voice" and "Double Resonance" > modes which have never appeared in a wah pedal before. The V-Wah also > includes onboard overdrive/booster effects, user memory and noise-free > infrared pedal detection. 3 user memory locations allow players to store > their favorite wah settings for quick recall via the heel pedal switch. > Eight different kinds of built-in overdrive effects including BOSS classics > such as the OD-1 OverDrive, OD-2 Turbo OverDrive, MT-2 Metal Zone, DS-1 > Distortion, BD-2 Blues Driver, as well as special "Muff Fuzz," "Guv Dist" > and Booster modes. > > Morley ABY Boxes (2 of them) - $30 each > Passive ABY splitter box, with options for A only, B only, or A and B. Not > a tone sucker at all, very small and thin, but extremely sturdy build. > =========== > > > Doug > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 20:01:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08199; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:54:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:54:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005401c2a88b$88f0d400$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: Subject: OT: Update on Stuff For Sale Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:54:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thought I'd give the list an update, since I'm getting quite a few emails about things that have already been sold. Pardon me for looping this (with Insert=Replace to zap some of the original material) :) Does that make this on topic? Boss RPS-10 and RDD-20 in single space rack shelf w/ power supply - $200 The Boss RPS-10 is the well known delay, reverse delay and pitch shifter. Used by Adrian Belew to deliver his signature reverse guitar sound. The RDD-20 is lesser known, but also a beautiful tone monster. Regular and modulated delays, with tone controls that effect the echoes. This combo includes a Boss PSA 120T power supply and a daisy chain cable to link power from one box to the next. Tube Works Blue Tube preamp/overdrive pedal - $100 Warm things up with a 12AX7 tube and full tone controls (Hi, Mid, Low, Output and Drive). Very quiet and warm. Can go from clean tube to blues breakup and crunch. Perfect way to warm up a solid state rig. Electro Harmonix Small Clone Reissue w/ power supply and original wooden box - $40 You know this one. Considered by some to be the very best stompbox chorus available. Note that this comes with the proper EH power supply. SKB 8 Space Roto Rack - $100 Like brand new. Removable front lid and back panel for easy access. Rackable Mount Depth: 17 3/4", Lid Depth: 2 1/4", Max. Int. Width: 17 3/4", Max. Int. Height: 15", Exterior Dimensions: 22" W, 21 3/4" D, 16 7/8" H, Weight: 13.5 lbs. Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Footswitch (EFC-7) - $80 Perfect condition. Just don't need it any more - I've gone MIDI for control. Boss PW-10 COSM Wah w/ Boss power supply - $100 I love this thing, but I'm letting it go because it's covered in my GT-6. This powerful pedal gives guitarists and bassists instant access to six classic and modern wah sounds, plus all-new "Voice" and "Double Resonance" modes which have never appeared in a wah pedal before. The V-Wah also includes onboard overdrive/booster effects, user memory and noise-free infrared pedal detection. 3 user memory locations allow players to store their favorite wah settings for quick recall via the heel pedal switch. Eight different kinds of built-in overdrive effects including BOSS classics such as the OD-1 OverDrive, OD-2 Turbo OverDrive, MT-2 Metal Zone, DS-1 Distortion, BD-2 Blues Driver, as well as special "Muff Fuzz," "Guv Dist" and Booster modes. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 21:26:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15334; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:19:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:19:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E03CFE1.4E76BC0@tapehissrecordings.com> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:20:17 -0500 From: Scott Carr Organization: Tapehiss Recordings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mp3.com alternatives References: <3E02A076.C12057D5@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-MEXmB.A.gvD.o-8A-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have heard good things about them in the past, but I'm pretty sure that they're charging something like $75 a year. Scott Matt McCabe wrote: > > I'm looking for an alternative to mp3.com for one-off CD manufacturing. > Ampcast.com appears to have a decent program. 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What do you think? If not I have a tracking number for it. --0-935014125-1040437200=:14783 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hey Doug did you get the Fuzz Factory yet? What do you think? If not I have a tracking number for it.
--0-935014125-1040437200=:14783-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 22:30:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20623; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:22:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:22:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c2a8a1$942be1a0$8345510c@anon> From: "alex millar" To: References: <20021220211446.36295.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> <3E03A268.3AC1CDF2@zerocrossing.net> <00f301c2a884$c6cb0ae0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: music by numbers Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:31:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To play the blues, do you have to live them too? Time is money. Time is space turning. recursive nested ellipsis. recursive nested ellipsis. ...(...)...(...) ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim palmer" To: Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 4:06 PM Subject: Re: music by numbers > > No, they don't. I didn't know anything about stereo vision when I was > > young, yet I had depth perception. I didn't know about how my heart > > worked, yet blood pumped around. I learned to walk without knowing how > > my brain used visual and information from my inner ear to let me > > balance. The same way I stand upright, birds fly. They don't > > necessarily have to *know* about the principals to know how to do it. > > Birds do know how to fly (most do) yet they don't understand principals > > of air pressure and lift. > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > > we're really getting into sticky philosophical territory here. > what does it mean to know something? > if your brain used visual information from your inner ear, > i say you knew it. > if you loop that information it magically becomes topical... > > say, that suggests an interesting analogy. > do you need to know the capabilities of the edp to loop with it? > no, but it sure helps some people. (i'm gonna go ahead and say most people) > same with formal music systems. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 22:30:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20910; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:25:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:25:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.71; T1.001; A1.51; B2.12; Q2.03) From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:24:59 -0500 X-Epoch: 1040441099 X-Sasl-enc: YtzzPKXi50eSC475VrSqtQ Subject: Re: music by numbers References: <20021220211446.36295.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> <3E03A268.3AC1CDF2@zerocrossing.net> <00f301c2a884$c6cb0ae0$080210ac@jpalmer> In-Reply-To: <00f301c2a884$c6cb0ae0$080210ac@jpalmer> Message-Id: <20021221032459.5672814CEC@www.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:06:14 -0600, "jim palmer" said: > we're really getting into sticky philosophical territory here. > what does it mean to know something? To be concious of it. At least that is what I think Mark is referring to, so I don't think it's philosophical at all. > say, that suggests an interesting analogy. > do you need to know the capabilities of the edp to loop with it? > no, but it sure helps some people. (i'm gonna go ahead and say most > people) > same with formal music systems. > I think a better analogy would be: do you need the manual to learn to use the edp? Ernesto -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm - And now for something completely different... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 20 22:34:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21205; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:27:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:27:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <68.2a7d49c8.2b353975@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:26:45 EST Subject: Re: music by numbers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_68.2a7d49c8.2b353975_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_68.2a7d49c8.2b353975_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/20/02 4:16:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, psychle62@yahoo.com writes: > http://www.webster.sk.ca/greenwich/fl-compl.htm thanks tim!.....michael --part1_68.2a7d49c8.2b353975_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/20/02 4:16:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, psychle62@yahoo.com writes:

http://www.webster.sk.ca/greenwich/fl-compl.htm

thanks tim!.....michael --part1_68.2a7d49c8.2b353975_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 21 00:23:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27963; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 00:18:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 00:18:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E03F9AE.AB231A58@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:18:39 -0800 From: Matt McCabe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mp3.com alternatives References: <3E02A076.C12057D5@earthlink.net> <3E03CFE1.4E76BC0@tapehissrecordings.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scott Carr wrote: > I have heard good things about them in the past, but I'm pretty sure > that they're charging something like $75 a year. > > Scott Yah...ampcast charges $75/year. The advantage over mp3.com is that you can send them a redbook CD and they'll use it as the source for your CDs (unlike mp3.com which uses .mp3 files as the source for their CDs). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 21 06:41:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15705; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:40:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:40:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1bd.189dfa4f.2b35acf1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 06:39:29 EST Subject: Re: hofstadter /Dawkins Re: mathematic processes & tone clock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Wow, does he talk about it in Godel Escher Bach. It's a big book and > a mystical experience for me, as well. LOOPERS REALLY NEED TO GET THIS > BOOK. It's very like what we do with sound but applied to life. Or start with his "Metamagical Themas", which is a collection of short pieces. (GEB is full of little mathematical exercises) Probably an easier way in to the Hofstader world, (GEB is full of little mathematical exercises) and some excellent examples of polyrhythms in the music of Chopin. (full also, of all sorts of loopy stuff). andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 21 07:11:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA18402; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 07:11:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 07:11:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <77.534cc6e.2b35b461@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 07:11:13 EST Subject: Re: music by numbers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Acoustical theory helped me to devise a reed > instrument with a resonator for each note. The formant of each resonator > can still be altered by covering and uncovering the holes. Is this science > or music? Again, I don't mind how you call it; I'm just pleased with the > sounding result, quite different from any other instrument. And I am > fascinated by the fact that sounds can be visualised, in waveforms by means > of an oscilloscope, or with spectral analysis. can you tell us more about this instrument (very interested) 21st Century Orchestral Instruments there's a lot of stuff in the downloadable study about how tonality might relate to harmony, and new instruments (microtonal) > By the way, numbers were implicit in music long before maths were invented. > Anthropologists have found primitive societies where the concept of time is > non-existent. But they did not find societies without music. And where > music is, there is rhythm, and scales, with fixed intervals. Obviously > musicians can play with scrutinous precision to the rhythms and scales > whether or not they are interested in visual representation. The fact is > that the musical mind loves to hear repetition in well-defined portions of > time and pitch. but when I hear recordings of "primitive" cultures making music there is not really fixed intervals. ...and in some very old cultures the music theory is lost, and a glorious out of tuneness between the instruments develops. Sometimes there's no rhythm, just a pulse. The single repeated drum beat. Often a second drummer is totally out of time. ...and then it sounds real good:-) Shamanic drumming often seems intended to create a continuous drone, with the rhythm/pulse being irrelevant. Especially when there's a group of drummers all beating different tempi. I'd also say that people who learn rhythms before learning to read music have a distinct advantage in the rhythmic feel department. (the bar lines interfere with perception somehow) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 21 08:06:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA21499; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 08:04:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 08:04:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "CT-Collective" , "Loopers Delight" Subject: mp3.com changes and alternatives? Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:08:52 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Sender: 520030663132-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com beginning in Febuary, mp3.com will cut the max number of titles down to three for non-paying members. I wonder if I should start to pay for my mp3.com pages, or if there are other still free alternatives - sites which can do mp3 streaming in a similar fashion. Ideas anyone? = michael peters = www.mp3.com/veloopity From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 21 12:31:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03783; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:31:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:31:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021221092527.00b82248@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:30:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: mp3.com changes and alternatives? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-UDM9B.A.86.cVKB-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try the Internet Underground Music Archive - http://www.iuma.com/ -Hans http://armatronix.iuma.com/ At 05:08 21/12/2002, you wrote: >beginning in Febuary, mp3.com will cut the max number of titles down to >three for non-paying members. I wonder if I should start to pay for my >mp3.com pages, or if there are other still free alternatives - sites which >can do mp3 streaming in a similar fashion. Ideas anyone? > >= michael peters >= www.mp3.com/veloopity From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 21 18:00:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23621; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 17:57:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 17:57:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1a6.e1d951d.2b364bde@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 17:57:34 EST Subject: Re: mp3.com changes and alternatives? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA23600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there! In a message dated 12/21/02 9:34:09 AM, armatronix@charter.net writes: >>beginning in February, mp3.com will cut the max number of titles down to >>three for non-paying members. I wonder if I should start to pay for my >>mp3.com pages, or if there are other still free alternatives - sites which >>can do mp3 streaming in a similar fashion. Ideas anyone? Hmmmmm. I hadn't heard this, 'Tis bad news for me. I have two pages up there with several files on each. It was great while it was free. I'm not sure it'll be worth it to pay. I'd be better off simply designing and putting up my own website. I guess I'd better get of the dime and dust of that Dream Weaver box . . . install the software and learn to use it. Oh well. I knew it'd come in handy eventually. Argh! tEd � kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 22 03:30:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA22079; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 03:24:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 03:24:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.170.192.48] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: cccory@sonic.net Subject: Jim Lanpheer? Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 00:20:13 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2002 08:20:14.0253 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3ED4DD0:01C2A992] Resent-Message-ID: <-_sH_D.A.5YF.FbXB-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anybody have any contact info for Jim Lanpheer? >From: "The Cory's" >To: Matt Davignon >Subject: Jim Lanpheer >Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:58:34 -0800 > >i am trying to locate this guy's email. >could you forward this to someone who knows >the LOOPERS DELIGHT mailing list well? > >c _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_virusprotection_3mf From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 22 06:13:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA02813; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 06:11:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 06:11:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cave@pop1.osk.3web.ne.jp X-Mailer: Eudora 5.1-J For Mac OS X Message-Id: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 20:10:51 +0900 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: [webcast/gig info] 12/23 Timothy O'Dwyer "switch + reed + string" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, This is information of our series Internet broadcast live gig from Kobe,Japan. It called "Live from Far East". Vol.20 performance is 23th Dec. 2002 You can see our gig via Real Player. Please visit below: http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east or http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east/broadcast Timothy O'Dwyer "switch + reed + string" Timothy O'Dwyer (Saxophones. from Australia) http://www.makeitupclub.com Machiko Kitagawa (Koto,Shamisen,Voice) http://member.nifty.ne.jp/SUSANOCLUB/ PheromonsterDISK (Powerbook G4) http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/365/pheromonsterdisk.html Sunao Inami (Powerbook G4) http://www.cavestudio.com 19:00 - 22:00 (JST)$B!!(Bnight = 10:00 - 13:00 (GMT) noon = 2:00 - 5:00 (PST) late night = 5:00 - 8:00 (EST) early morning The World Clock - Time Zones http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ Download flyer http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east/flyer/12_23_2002_tim.jpg ------ More Info and contacts: C.U.E. http://www.cavestudio.org/cue cue@cavestudio.org CAPHOUSE #314, 3-19-8 Yamamoto Dori, Chuo-ku Kobe,Japan 650-0003 Tel & Fax : +81 (0)78-241-9389 ------ Previous gigs photos available on "Flash Back" http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east/flashback _____________________ Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 22 11:10:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19525; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:09:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:09:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List $E-mail$" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?GIG_ALERT:_M=FCnchen/Germany_-=3E_Eclectic_Blah_=3C-?= Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:10:18 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c2a9d4$9fc03550$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com MoinSound presents: "The Last Days of Club Veedol" featuring: ECLECTIC BLAH wheels of steel: Tha Funky Barrister, DJ Scott (Milch&Bar, Starskys, Backstage,...) 4.1.2003, Club Veedol, Welserstr. 15, 81373 M�nchen http://www.map24.de/map24/index.php3?map24_sid=215d3431981de37d822a4e5afe829 ccb&street0=Welserstr.+15&zip0=8&city0=M%FCnchen&country0=de&gcf=1&maptype=J AVA&force_maptype=RELOAD&x=8&y=4 Doors 22h Freely improvised contemporary dance music. Sound for your feet, for your ears, for your mind and foor your booty. What might sound like a complete utopia has become reality with Munich's "Eclectic Blah". For the first time reinforced by Afterguard Christian Klos (fretless bass), the ensemble presents itself for the first time in 2003 in the hallowed halls of Club Veedol. Support is brought by an illustrous pas-de-deux d'DJ, consisting of Blah's own Tha Funky Barrister and DJ Scott, a famed capacity in Munich's DJ scene from Milch&Bar to Valentinst�berl. nota bene to loopers: the ensemble's own Rainer Straschill (keys, sax, efx) will provide heavy loopage by use of several weird electronic devices. Eclectic Blah: www.eblah.de Eclectic Blah Sound Archives: www.mp3.com/eblah Email: eblah@moinlabs.de Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 22 14:45:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31459; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:44:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:44:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:41:11 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Gary Hall loop software review in Electronic Musician To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3E061557.EFBD1FC1@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I just got done reading a nice review of a VST plug-in that emulates the Lexicon PCM-42 by the man who designed the PCM-42, or own Gary Hall. He gives it a thumbs up mostly, so I guess it's a nice step in the world of software loopers. I'd check it out if they do develop a MAS version. Check out the review. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 22 14:49:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31772; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:47:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:47:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007801c2a9f3$2d45ee60$f091ef18@earthlink.net> From: "Sarth" To: References: <77.534cc6e.2b35b461@aol.com> Subject: Re: music by numbers Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:49:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd really like to hear recordings of some of the drumming you're referring to. I find it very hard to conceptualize drumming where one drummer is completely out of time with another. -- Sarth ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 7:11 AM Subject: Re: music by numbers > > Acoustical theory helped me to devise a reed > > instrument with a resonator for each note. The formant of each resonator > > can still be altered by covering and uncovering the holes. Is this science > > or music? Again, I don't mind how you call it; I'm just pleased with the > > sounding result, quite different from any other instrument. And I am > > fascinated by the fact that sounds can be visualised, in waveforms by > means > > of an oscilloscope, or with spectral analysis. > > can you tell us more about this instrument (very interested) > > 21st Century Orchestral > Instruments > > there's a lot of stuff in the downloadable study about how > tonality might relate to harmony, and new instruments > (microtonal) > > > > By the way, numbers were implicit in music long before maths were > invented. > > Anthropologists have found primitive societies where the concept of time > is > > non-existent. But they did not find societies without music. And where > > music is, there is rhythm, and scales, with fixed intervals. Obviously > > musicians can play with scrutinous precision to the rhythms and scales > > whether or not they are interested in visual representation. The fact is > > that the musical mind loves to hear repetition in well-defined portions of > > time and pitch. > > but when I hear recordings of "primitive" cultures > making music there is not really fixed intervals. > ...and in some very old cultures the music > theory is lost, and a glorious out of tuneness > between the instruments develops. > Sometimes there's no rhythm, just a pulse. > The single repeated drum beat. > Often a second drummer is totally out of time. > ...and then it sounds real good:-) > > Shamanic drumming often seems intended to > create a continuous drone, with the rhythm/pulse being > irrelevant. Especially when there's a group of drummers > all beating different tempi. > > I'd also say that people who learn rhythms before > learning to read music have a distinct advantage > in the rhythmic feel department. > (the bar lines interfere with perception somehow) > > andy butler > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 22 15:09:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01608; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:08:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:08:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.160.122.14] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gary Hall loop software review in Electronic Musician PSP42 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:05:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2002 20:05:37.0883 (UTC) FILETIME=[7EC6BAB0:01C2A9F5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This looks cool & you don't have to spend $1500 on a "real" 42 (i wish i could :P) www.pspaudioware.com There is a great review in Grooves mag #9 too www.groovesmag.com >From: Mark >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Gary Hall loop software review in Electronic Musician >Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:41:11 -0800 > >Hey, > >I just got done reading a nice review of a VST plug-in that emulates the >Lexicon PCM-42 by the man who designed the PCM-42, or own Gary Hall. He >gives it a thumbs up mostly, so I guess it's a nice step in the world of >software loopers. I'd check it out if they do develop a MAS version. >Check out the review. > >Mark Sottilaro _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_3mf From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 22 16:05:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05414; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:02:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:02:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: mp3.com changes and alternatives? Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:07:17 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021221092527.00b82248@pop.charter.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Sender: 520030663132-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Try the Internet Underground Music Archive - http://www.iuma.com/ > -Hans http://armatronix.iuma.com/ looks good to me. what's your experience with iuma so far hans? and ... does anyone how they finance that thing? ... i've always wondered how big places like mp3.com do the financing - running such a place must cost a fortune. just by placing ads? by selling some of the music? = michael peters = computer graphics + electronic music = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb = www.mp3.com/veloopity From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 22 16:21:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06179; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:20:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:20:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 13:20:42 -0800 Subject: Re: mp3.com changes and alternatives? From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9QMlY.A.dgB.uyiB-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What's the sign up process for IUMA? The links on the artists page talk about tonospro or something like that, but that's a paid model. Or maybe I'm just blind. Mark on 12/22/02 1:07 PM, Michael Peters at mpeters@csi.com wrote: >> Try the Internet Underground Music Archive - http://www.iuma.com/ >> -Hans http://armatronix.iuma.com/ > > > looks good to me. what's your experience with iuma so far hans? > > and ... does anyone how they finance that thing? ... i've always wondered > how big places like mp3.com do the financing - running such a place must > cost a fortune. just by placing ads? by selling some of the music? > > > = michael peters > = computer graphics + electronic music > = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb > = www.mp3.com/veloopity > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 22 17:12:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09758; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:11:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:11:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Original-Recipient: Message-ID: <001f01c2aa07$0d748bf0$32d1d3d9@ljudform> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Eriksson?= To: References: Subject: Re: mp3.com changes and alternatives? Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 23:11:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can't say if the tonosPro is a good deal or not - but you can aswell skip it and go directly to free sign up at http://www.iuma.com/artistuplink/ Don't know if there is any hidden drawbacks on IUMA compared to mp3.com. I think IUMA is pretty good imho. Yours, Bj�rn Eriksson http://ig.iuma.com/ (my old IUMA site) http://bjoeri.iuma.com/ (this I started after reading this thread, probably it may take some days before it is approved, but it did only take about ten minutes to set it up) http://www.mp3.com/internationalgarbage/ (site which I might be unable to keep if they are going to charge multiple track housings...) http://www.tapegerm.com/ (music collective I am member at) > What's the sign up process for IUMA? The links on the artists page talk > about tonospro or something like that, but that's a paid model. Or maybe I'm > just blind. > > Mark > > on 12/22/02 1:07 PM, Michael Peters at mpeters@csi.com wrote: > > >> Try the Internet Underground Music Archive - http://www.iuma.com/ > >> -Hans http://armatronix.iuma.com/ > > > > > > looks good to me. what's your experience with iuma so far hans? > > > > and ... does anyone how they finance that thing? ... i've always wondered > > how big places like mp3.com do the financing - running such a place must > > cost a fortune. just by placing ads? by selling some of the music? > > > > > > = michael peters > > = computer graphics + electronic music > > = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb > > = www.mp3.com/veloopity > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 22 17:55:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11705; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:52:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:52:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:49:52 -0800 Subject: Re: Gary Hall loop software review in Electronic Musician From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3E061557.EFBD1FC1@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hey, > > I just got done reading a nice review of a VST plug-in that emulates the > Lexicon PCM-42 by the man who designed the PCM-42, or own Gary Hall. He > gives it a thumbs up mostly, so I guess it's a nice step in the world of > software loopers. I'd check it out if they do develop a MAS version. > Check out the review. > > Mark Sottilaro > ~lexicon PCM42~ rules my looping world and i guess emulation is the highest form of flattery er somethin... s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 22 22:10:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28141; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:09:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:09:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021222185618.00b8bd20@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 19:09:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: RE: mp3.com changes and alternatives? In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021221092527.00b82248@pop.charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think it's great. It took them a while to approve me initially, but after that it's really user-friendly. -Hans At 13:07 22/12/2002, you wrote: >looks good to me. what's your experience with iuma so far hans? > >= michael peters From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 22 22:36:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29479; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:34:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:34:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ae01c2aa33$b860c980$1826d9c8@fuckinmachine> From: "Julio Moreno" To: Subject: test Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 01:31:01 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C2AA22.F420DE80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C2AA22.F420DE80 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00AB_01C2AA22.F420DE80" ------=_NextPart_001_00AB_01C2AA22.F420DE80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable test __________________________________________________________________ Julio Moreno ICQ#: 49128266 Current ICQ status: =20 + More ways to contact me=20 __________________________________________________________________ ------=_NextPart_001_00AB_01C2AA22.F420DE80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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HTML mail sucks. :) Merry X-mas > Julio Moreno wrote: > > test > __________________________________________________________________ > Julio Moreno > ICQ#: 49128266 > Current ICQ status: [Image] > > + More ways to contact me > __________________________________________________________________ -- ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine http://www.tapehissrecordings.com and our sites at the world's largest online cut-out bin http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves http://mp3.com/hebephrenica http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime ....and for a whole new kind of music.... http://www.tapegerm.com ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 22 23:42:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00724; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 23:39:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 23:39:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d401c2aa3c$bd6ea560$1826d9c8@fuckinmachine> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: <00ae01c2aa33$b860c980$1826d9c8@fuckinmachine> <3E068F6D.A0CFCA4B@tapehissrecordings.com> Subject: Re: test / off topic Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 02:35:10 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry ...i instaled the last icq and this apears in my mail program ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Carr To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 2:22 AM Subject: Re: test Grade = F. HTML mail sucks. :) Merry X-mas > Julio Moreno wrote: > > test > __________________________________________________________________ > Julio Moreno > ICQ#: 49128266 > Current ICQ status: [Image] > > + More ways to contact me > __________________________________________________________________ -- ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine http://www.tapehissrecordings.com and our sites at the world's largest online cut-out bin http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves http://mp3.com/hebephrenica http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime ....and for a whole new kind of music.... http://www.tapegerm.com ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 23 10:10:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05581; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:08:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:08:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-16.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1040656085!27189 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA97@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: music by numbers Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:01:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2AA94.32EADE10" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2AA94.32EADE10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" on a related theme, I remembered seeing this link in SOS a while back. elsewhere on the same site is a useful little flash (?) gizmo that shows you how good you are at tap-tempo-ing. http://www.harmonics.com/lucy/ arthur lee- many happy returns for saturday just gone; hope you spent the day well. season's greetings to all who loop, have looped or will loop, and remember: garbage in, garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out (and so on).... I'm off to spend the rest of the day crying over my clash albums. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2AA94.32EADE10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] RE: music by numbers
on a related theme, I remembered seeing this link in SOS = a while back. elsewhere on the same site is a useful little flash (?) gizmo= that shows you how good you are at tap-tempo-ing.

http://www.harmonics.com/lucy/

arthur lee- many happy returns for saturday just gone; ho= pe you spent the day well.

season's greetings to all who loop, have looped or will l= oop, and remember: garbage in, garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage = out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out= garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out ga= rbage out garbage out garbage out garbage out (and so on)....

I'm off to spend the rest of the day crying over my clash= albums.

duncan/r.m.i.
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MTV Networks Europe ***************************************************************************= ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2AA94.32EADE10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 23 11:30:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10565; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:28:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:28:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021223162825.5627.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:28:25 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: OT: Eccentric Luthiery Support Group To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA97@LON-MAIL07> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Inspired by a thread over on the Torn list, a few of us are now members of a new Yahoo group, the Eccentric Luthiery Support Group. It's for people who feel inspired to build/have built stringed instruments that can't be bought off the rack, players/makers/modifiers of unusual stringed beasties created/tweaked to meet a specific need, wierdos/visionaries (depending on yer POV), DIYers and so forth. We're still in the formative stages, and there's not much there yet besides links, but it's going to be fun... Much of the focus of the ELSG is definitely of interest to many LD members, but as it's really tangential here, c'mon over! You can check it out at or subscribe directly at Thanks, -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 23 11:41:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11348; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:40:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:40:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1040661622!3205 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA9A@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: Eccentric Luthiery Support Group Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 16:33:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2AAA1.171FC5D0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2AAA1.171FC5D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>a few of us are now members of a new Yahoo group, the Eccentric Luthiery Support Group. It's for people who feel inspired to build/have built stringed instruments that can't be bought off the rack<< I waited 9 months for my rickenbacker 5-string bass to arrive- does this count? at the time, I was carrying all the melodies on my 4001 in a band with two rhythm guitarists, sort of a one-man chris squire tribute. now I have a fender VI, and I did try a stick once in argent's shop..... duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2AAA1.171FC5D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] RE: Eccentric Luthiery Support Group
>>a few of us are now members of a new Yahoo group,= the Eccentric Luthiery Support Group.
It's for people who feel inspired to build/have built st= ringed instruments that can't be bought off the rack<<

I waited 9 months for my rickenbacker 5-string bass to ar= rive- does this count? at the time, I was carrying all the melodies on my 4= 001 in a band with two rhythm guitarists, sort of a one-man chris squire tr= ibute. now I have a fender VI, and I did try a stick once in argent's shop.= ....

duncan.
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MTV Networks Europe ***************************************************************************= ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2AAA1.171FC5D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 23 11:51:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11871; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:48:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:48:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021223164827.46999.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:48:27 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: Eccentric Luthiery Support Group To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA9A@LON-MAIL07> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <7Qq4EB.A.Z5C.65zB-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > I waited 9 months for my rickenbacker 5-string bass > to arrive- does this count? Yeah, we're easy. Now if you've ever had a secret desire to route out a little area on the upper bout in which to install a tiny Casio with the two-button sequencer and a delay circuit wired into the second jack of your Rick-O-Sound output, there'd be no question. 8^) -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 23 11:59:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12438; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:58:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:58:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: HoosierTimes: Grammy hopeful takes his own road to success Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:55:22 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [looper's] RE: Eccentric Luthiery Support Group Thread-Index: AcKqo1WDbIEEy64PTNq/ZwwDiu1mpAAAvdlA From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2002 16:58:37.0763 (UTC) FILETIME=[897A0930:01C2AAA4] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA12413 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com An article of interest may be viewed at: http://www.hoosiertimes.com/stories/thisday/scene.021222_SH_E1_WCS92343.sto If this story is more than seven days old, an access fee may apply. (Note that some email programs may 'wrap' the URL (address) onto two lines; it should actually be on one line only) This message brought to you by HoosierTimes.com, http://www.hoosiertimes.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 23 12:10:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14272; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:08:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:08:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1040663326!715 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FAA9B@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: [looper's] RE: Eccentric Luthiery Support Group Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:02:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2AAA5.0E7157B0" Resent-Message-ID: <_UvcID.A.6eD.kM0B-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2AAA5.0E7157B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>if you've ever had a secret desire to route out a little area on the upper bout in which to install a tiny Casio with the two-button sequencer and a delay circuit wired into the second jack of your Rick-O-Sound output, there'd be no question.<< rumbled! my 4001 has an extra pickup hidden in the tailpiece where the string damper used to be. I may aswell 'fess up now to having /butchered/ an antoria "black eagle" jazz bass, probably a collector's item by now, by adding a fifth string myself. and defretting it. this'd be late 1983, after seeing a 5-string stingray for the first time. and my first bass... I painted it blue, with clouds, and it had a built-in pre-amp/oscillator that made the most horrible noise. I s'pose I'm in, then.... duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2AAA5.0E7157B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [looper's] RE: Eccentric Luthiery Support Group
>>if you've ever had a secret desire to route out a= little area on the upper bout in which to install a tiny Casio with the tw= o-button sequencer and a delay circuit wired into the second jack of your R= ick-O-Sound output, there'd be no question.<<

rumbled! my 4001 has an extra pickup hidden in the tailpi= ece where the string damper used to be. I may aswell 'fess up now to having= /butchered/ an antoria "black eagle" jazz bass, probably a colle= ctor's item by now, by adding a fifth string myself. and defretting it. thi= s'd be late 1983, after seeing a 5-string stingray for the first time. and = my first bass... I painted it blue, with clouds, and it had a built-in pre-= amp/oscillator that made the most horrible noise.

I s'pose I'm in, then....

duncan/r.m.i.
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MTV Networks Europe ***************************************************************************= ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2AAA5.0E7157B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 23 17:11:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10350; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:10:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:10:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Poppen" To: Subject: RE: HoosierTimes: Grammy hopeful takes his own road to success Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:08:44 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Link was broken, found the article here: http://www.hoosiertimes.com/stories/2002/12/22/scene.021222_SH_E1_WCS92343.s to Congrats Denis! > -----Original Message----- > From: Taaffe, Denis G [mailto:dtaaffe@indiana.edu] > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 8:55 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: HoosierTimes: Grammy hopeful takes his own road to success > > > > An article of interest may be viewed at: > > http://www.hoosiertimes.com/stories/thisday/scene.021222_SH_E1_WCS > 92343.sto > > If this story is more than seven days old, an access fee may apply. > > (Note that some email programs may 'wrap' the URL (address) onto > two lines; it should actually be on one line only) > This message brought to you by HoosierTimes.com, http://www.hoosiertimes.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 23 20:21:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27263; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 20:21:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 20:21:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.167.29.6] From: "Louis Rossi" Subject: Happy Holidays! Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 20:18:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Dec 2002 01:18:54.0581 (UTC) FILETIME=[6CE4FA50:01C2AAEA] Resent-Message-ID: <7Tg0XB.A.5pG.Da7B-@hemlock.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ciao Friends. PEACE on earth, good will toward men. Wishing you a joyous holiday & a peaceful new year Best regards. Lou _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_advancedjmf_3mf From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 24 03:35:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA27988; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 03:31:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 03:31:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <182.1415f799.2b397570@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 03:31:44 EST Subject: Re: music by numbers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'd really like to hear recordings of some of the drumming you're referring > to. I find it very hard to conceptualize drumming where one drummer is > completely out of time with another. > > -- Sarth > Tawe Pilakou well the CD I have is:- Prophet 03 Papua New Guinea Philips 538714-2 Above is a link to an audio excerpt (courtesy Amazon). If that excerpt goes from the start of the track (I haven't been able to check) then you'll clearly hear drummer 2 coming in with a similar, but not related tempo. Throughout the piece drummer 2 drifts about behind the beat, but at the start there's a brief period where the 2 tempi rub up against each other. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 24 08:54:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA19329; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 08:53:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 08:53:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c2ab54$109e2f40$a6275a0c@u73x0> From: "Cino" To: References: <182.1415f799.2b397570@aol.com> Subject: Re: music by numbers Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 08:55:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andy originally wrote: > but when I hear recordings of "primitive" cultures > making music there is not really fixed intervals. > ...and in some very old cultures the music > theory is lost, and a glorious out of tuneness > between the instruments develops. > Sometimes there's no rhythm, just a pulse. > The single repeated drum beat. > Often a second drummer is totally out of time. > ...and then it sounds real good:-) Sarth replied: > > I'd really like to hear recordings of some of the drumming you're referring > > to. I find it very hard to conceptualize drumming where one drummer is > > completely out of time with another. Andy responded (with a sound clip): > well the CD I have is:- > Prophet 03 Papua New Guinea Philips 538714-2 > If that excerpt goes from the start of the track > (I haven't been able to check) then you'll clearly > hear drummer 2 coming in with a similar, but not > related tempo. > Throughout the piece drummer 2 drifts about behind > the beat, but at the start there's a brief period where > the 2 tempi rub up against each other. Thanks for the great example, Andy. I was also trying to think up a concrete example for this sort of "rhythmic drift" but didn't have the time to go through piles of old ethnographic LPs (to which no one else would have been able to listen anyway). Even though the audio clip is only 30 seconds, you can distinctly hear the two drummers fall out of phase with each other. And you're right -- it does sound great. I agree with Sarth that it would be almost impossible for us (with our preconceived set of musical esthetics, conventions and expectations) to try to execute this type of playing. I'm sure most of us would think of it as being "just plain wrong" and that the second drummer had no sense of time, or had otherwise stumbled. A few other corollaries I can think of: Some of the early 70's Miles Davis funk/fusion recordings like "On The Corner," "Big Fun," "Live Evil," etc. feature multiple percussionists who are sometimes playing against the main beat of the trap drummer. Often they're playing out of time to provide more of a texture or "color" than a solid beat. This gives the overall effect of the same feeling of "rhythmic drift" (as opposed to a more tightly structured polyrhythm). Teo Macero, the producer of these recordings, actually did a lot of splicing, looping and weaving together of different tracks, which probably accounts for some of the different concurrent tempi. Andy also mentions "a glorious out of tuneness." Great term! I too love that fuzzy intonation sometimes heard in various folk and traditional performers from around the world, especially the musically "uneducated" or "primitive" (in the sense of "self-taught" rather than the derogatory sense of "backward" or "uncivilized"). Another jazz example of this "glorious out of tuneness" that I really enjoyed was Sun Ra. The first time I saw him, his Arkestra consisted of 35 musicians. (It was in a small club and the musicians took up more floor space than the audience!) I don't think any of the musicians had bothered to tune their instruments to a common standard. At first I found this very jarring and thought it most unprofessional. During the "noise" or "free" segments of the show the lack of common intonation didn't really matter. But when they played Ra's arrangements of jazz and big-band standards it was quite noticeable. It was only after I had seen them four or five times that I was able to move beyond the "Oh man, they are SO out of tune!" way of thinking and begin to appreciate the greater sonic warmth that this fuzzy intonation offered. It really seemed to expand the sound and make a section of 5 saxophones appear more like 20 players. I later learned that this same sort of out-of-tuneness is deliberately cultivated in some musical traditions, for example, Indonesian gamelan orchestras, where a pair of gongs will be tuned several cents apart so that when they're played together they will produce acoustical beating, which greatly widens the sound. I guess this all comes back to the idea that there are multiple ways of hearing, and that we often need to go beyond the musical prejudices of our own traditions in order to appreciate other musical cultures. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 24 10:07:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26057; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:06:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:06:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:10:14 -0500 Subject: Re: HoosierTimes: Grammy hopeful takes his own road to success From: Dan Soltzberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3123569414_593058_MIME_Part" X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop015.verizon.net from [141.149.189.228] at Tue, 24 Dec 2002 09:06:08 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3123569414_593058_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit hey Denis-- That's really cool. Congratulations. Thanks for posting the link, Jim. Dan -- ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com d.ans@verizon.net 617-470-2087 on 12/23/02 5:08 PM, Jim Poppen at zebu@cox.net wrote: Link was broken, found the article here: http://www.hoosiertimes.com/stories/2002/12/22/scene.021222_SH_E1_WCS92343.s to Congrats Denis! --MS_Mac_OE_3123569414_593058_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: HoosierTimes: Grammy hopeful takes his own road to success</TITL= E> </HEAD> <BODY> hey Denis--<BR> <BR> That's really cool. Congratulations. <BR> <BR> Thanks for posting the link, Jim.<BR> <BR> <BR> Dan<BR> <BR> -- <BR> <FONT FACE=3D"Trebuchet MS"><B>ghost 7/ Oranje<BR> http://envelopeproductions.com<BR> d.ans@verizon.net<BR> 617-470-2087</B></FONT> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> on 12/23/02 5:08 PM, Jim Poppen at zebu@cox.net wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>Link was broken, found the article here:<BR> http://www.hoosiertimes.com/stories/2002/12/22/scene.021222_SH_E1_WCS92343.= s<BR> to<BR> <BR> Congrats Denis!<BR> <BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> </BODY> </HTML> --MS_Mac_OE_3123569414_593058_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 24 10:25:16 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27624; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:24:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:24:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <spgoodman@earthlight.net> Message-ID: <003101c2ab61$05548dc0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" <spgoodman@earthlight.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> References: <BA2DE306.1216%d.ans@verizon.net> Subject: Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays! Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:27:49 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <uNOxsB.A.ivG.fwHC-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/28019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: HoosierTimes: Grammy hopeful takes his own road to successPlease accept my warmest wishes - and my wife's too! - for this season! The new Loop of the Week is a seasonal one as well! It's at http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html#LOTW and judging by the weather reports from the US it should be applicable for some time! Our Christmas card for 2002 is also available from there, but is at http://www.earthlight.net/Christmas2002.html if you can't wait. :) Merry Merry! Stephen Goodman From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 24 11:14:58 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32489; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:14:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:14:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <nihilist> Message-ID: <018701c2ab67$448d7e60$c5444ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" <steve@steve-lawson.co.uk> To: "Loop List" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> Subject: new review of my CD! Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:12:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <AlsvwC.A.j7H.UfIC-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/28020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.tollbooth.org/2003/reviews/lawson.html just found this review of 'Not Dancing for Chicken' - 5/5, that's rather nice... :o) Happy Christmas all - hope to see lots of you at gigs in the new year... Had a get together yesterday with Theo Travis (sax/flautist with Gong, amongst others) - him looping his flutes and sax with a DL4, and me doing my EDP+basses stuff - sounds marvellous, hoping to do some shows in the new year... cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk (christmas message here) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 24 12:03:43 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04315; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:00:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:00:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <psychle62@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021224170004.36942.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 09:00:04 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson <psychle62@yahoo.com> Subject: Gear for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <018701c2ab67$448d7e60$c5444ed5@bigboy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <ht9H2D.A.VDB.zKJC-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/28021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Due to the one-two punch of a layoff and a prolonged divorce proceeding, I�m finding it necessary to thin the herd a bit and sell some gear I�m not using as much as I should. If anyone�s interested in any of these items, please contact me off-list at psychle62@yahoo.com. Digitech XP-300 Space Station w/ manual and power supply. $185 or best offer. <http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/DigiTech/XP_300_Space_Station-01.html> Boss AW-2 Auto-Wah $45 or best offer. <http://www.guitargeek.com/gearview/37/> Roland RS-09 V.1 Strings/Organ $150 or best offer. <http://www.vintagesynth.org/roland/rs09.shtml> AR.Acoustic 65-watt Pro-Verb Acoustic amplifier. $225 <http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/Data/A_R__Acoustic/Pro_Verb_65_Combo-01.html> Original Loops for Acid software: Marc Anderson:Dragon Dance World Percussion $45 <http://www.sonicfoundry.com/Loop_Libraries/ShowLoop.asp?PID=176> Drum Tools Drum and Percussion Loops $45 <http://www.sonicfoundry.com/Loop_Libraries/ShowLoop.asp?PID=43> Siggi Baldursson Drum Sugar $45 <http://www.sonicfoundry.com/Loop_Libraries/ShowLoop.asp?PID=458> Ethnicity $45 <http://www.sonicfoundry.com/Loop_Libraries/ShowLoop.asp?PID=33> Robert Rich: Liquid Planet $45 <http://www.sonicfoundry.com/Loop_Libraries/ShowLoop.asp?PID=238> Turkish oud (Slightly smaller than yer usual oud, this one has 10 strings in five double courses, rather than the usual 11.) $200 Fender Rhodes 73. $250 (Needs an overhaul, BUT I'm including a very thick printout of the repair and maintenance manual, plus some info on mods from the old Dyno-My-Piano guys. This was a project I never got around to...) Can't ship this one; I'm an hour north of Boston. Thanks & Happy Holidays, -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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I will mail out five free copies to the first five people who e-mail me from the Looper's Delight list. All I want in return is a review/comment from these individuals (good or bad). I will announce the individuals who will receive the cds on the Looper's Delight . Re:Cooperation will also be available from: www.unclebuzz.com and www.dogfingers.com. Please feel free to contact me with any questions or comments. Thanks, James Sidlo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 24 16:44:08 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26505; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:42:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:42:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <Darinflame@aol.com> From: Darinflame@aol.com Message-ID: <49.287cd759.2b3a2ead@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:42:05 EST Subject: Re: Cooperation "Transcollaboration" cd release spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_49.287cd759.2b3a2ead_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10630 Resent-Message-ID: <Xz-oeD.A.DeG.vSNC-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/28023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list 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--part1_49.287cd759.2b3a2ead_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 24 16:45:09 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26801; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:44:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:44:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <Luigimeloni74@libero.it> Message-ID: <003801c2ab95$c2657120$dc2d2697@server> From: "Luigi Meloni" <Luigimeloni74@libero.it> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Merry Xmas Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 22:45:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01C2AB9E.23D5ECC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <Eb_BhC.A.riG.1UNC-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/28024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Messaggio in formato MIME composto da pi� parti. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C2AB9E.23D5ECC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Merry Xmas and Happy New Year to everybody on the list. Ciao Luigi ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C2AB9E.23D5ECC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Merry Xmas and Happy New Year to = everybody on the=20 list.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ciao</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Luigi</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C2AB9E.23D5ECC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 24 18:01:31 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31522; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 17:58:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 17:58:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <lucafeed@tin.it> Message-ID: <005601c0737f$eb0666c0$7287abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" <lucafeed@tin.it> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> References: <49.287cd759.2b3a2ead@aol.com> Subject: Re: Cooperation "Transcollaboration" cd release spam Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 00:17:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <gz8TjD.A.csH.CaOC-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/28025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd like to give it a listen so, if you like..... luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 24 18:39:55 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02086; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:39:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:39:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <sempai@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:38:47 -0500 From: Sempai <sempai@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Re:Cooperation "Transcollaboration" cd release spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001101c2aba5$9cff0f30$fe762544@user0jd9dje1rf> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <c9.2d9d396f.2b3a1e1d@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <OwGeDD.A.gg.nAPC-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/28026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd like one!! ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jhsidlo@aol.com> To: <loopers-delight@annihilist.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 3:31 PM Subject: Re:Cooperation "Transcollaboration" cd release spam > Howdy, > > Re:Cooperation, a collaborative effort between David Cooper Orton and > myself is now available. I will mail out five free copies to the first five > people who e-mail me from the Looper's Delight list. > All I want in return is a review/comment from these individuals (good > or bad). I will announce the individuals who will receive the cds on the > Looper's Delight . Re:Cooperation will also be available from: > www.unclebuzz.com and www.dogfingers.com. Please feel free to contact me with > any questions or comments. > > > Thanks, James Sidlo > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 24 18:56:32 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02849; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:56:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:56:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <nihilist> From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <fb.336bd288.2b3a4e04@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:55:48 EST Subject: Re:Cooperation cd Winners are... To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: <K2seuC.A.bs.QQPC-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/28027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 1)Daniel Pratt 2) Tom Ritchford 3) Steve Burnett 4) Mark Sottilaro, 5) gary@friendlyspider.com Thank you and if you've not e-mailed me your address, please do. I'll try to mail out by this Thursday. James H. Sidlo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 24 19:38:35 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05420; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 19:37:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 19:37:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <ArsOcarina@aol.com> From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1b9.b560d5c.2b3a57b0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 19:37:04 EST Subject: Merry Christmas To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA05394 Resent-Message-ID: <_1MDUC.A.hUB.b3PC-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/28028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopfolks, It's a troubled world we live in and indeed it's always been so. However, may the Joy of Christmas find you all tomorrow. May we all have one day of Peace and pray that we have more. Let us contemplate the season and stay away from the stores. Pax tEd � kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 25 00:41:39 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22812; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 00:40:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 00:40:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <sine@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 21:37:38 -0800 From: Mark <sine@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Cooperation cd Winners are... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3E094422.25271205@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <fb.336bd288.2b3a4e04@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4w0IY.A.WkF.nTUC-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/28029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There is a Santa after all! Thanks! My address was in my email. Mark Sottilaro Jhsidlo@aol.com wrote: > > 1)Daniel Pratt 2) Tom Ritchford 3) Steve Burnett 4) Mark Sottilaro, > > 5) gary@friendlyspider.com > > Thank you and if you've not e-mailed me your address, please do. I'll > try to mail out by this Thursday. > > > James H. Sidlo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 25 11:39:58 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24801; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 11:33:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 11:33:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <paulrichard10@attbi.com> Message-ID: <001a01c2acfc$24b9fd20$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" <paulrichard10@attbi.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: OT: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 11:30:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C2ACD2.3BBAC240" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <Lbk9-.A.bDG.33dC-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/28030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C2ACD2.3BBAC240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have this boss who's son is attending a local university that is = reputed to be a good music school. However, I keep hearing the most ridculous assertions made by my boss = pertaining to his son. The latest was his son's Boss GT-3 was responsible for blowing out the = speakers on his Marshall stack. Due to some 'hidden' features of the = GT-3 that not many people know or some such drivel. Doesn't make sense = to me. The output of a GT-3 (of which I had one once) was a line level = output if I remember correctly. How could the output blow the speakers = on a Marshall stack? Regards and Merry... and Happy... Paul ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C2ACD2.3BBAC240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have this boss who's son is attending = a local=20 university that is reputed to be a good music school.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>However, I keep hearing the most = ridculous=20 assertions made by my boss pertaining to his son.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The latest was his son's Boss GT-3 was = responsible=20 for blowing out the speakers on his Marshall stack. Due to some = 'hidden' =20 features of the GT-3 that not many people know or some such drivel. = Doesn't make=20 sense to me. The output of a GT-3 (of which I had one once) was a line = level=20 output if I remember correctly. How could the output blow the speakers = on a=20 Marshall stack?</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regards and Merry... and = Happy...</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Paul</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C2ACD2.3BBAC240-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 25 12:38:58 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28320; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 12:38:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 12:38:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <sine@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 09:35:03 -0800 From: Mark <sine@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: OT: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3E09EC47.BCFD0C81@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <001a01c2acfc$24b9fd20$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> Resent-Message-ID: <e2bVbC.A.a6G.M0eC-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/28031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I work with a guy like that too. Funny. He told me that he saw a device where you put a cd in, plugged your guitar into it and it automatically transformed your guitar sound into the exact sound the lead guitarist used in the song. Computer: Earl Gray. HOT. (the man I'm speaking of is an account manager who can barely play guitar and plunked down over a grand on a Les Paul Gothic) He should probably wait until a model that allows you to play like what ever guitarist is on the CD as well. On the other hand, you *can* blow speakers. Put a loud enough squarewave through a speaker cab at a loud enough volume and you can cook it. It's physics. I'm sure the GT-3 is capable of that. So is every other distortion device. Some speakers have thermal breakers to avoid such things, but even that won't get a big transient. Effects boxes don't blow speakers. People do. I've heard that per capita, Canadians have as many distortion boxes per capita as do Americans, yet only have 65 blown speakers per year, yet America had 11,775 blown speakers last year. Mark Sottilaro (PS Canadians: this is a joke referencing the latest Michael Moore movie, and a complement) > Butch wrote: > > I have this boss who's son is attending a local university that is > reputed to be a good music school. > > However, I keep hearing the most ridculous assertions made by my boss > pertaining to his son. > > The latest was his son's Boss GT-3 was responsible for blowing out the > speakers on his Marshall stack. Due to some 'hidden' features of the > GT-3 that not many people know or some such drivel. Doesn't make sense > to me. The output of a GT-3 (of which I had one once) was a line level > output if I remember correctly. How could the output blow the speakers > on a Marshall stack? > > Regards and Merry... and Happy... > > Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 25 12:57:53 2002 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29047; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 12:57:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 12:57:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <alan@akroeger.com> From: "Alan Kroeger" <alan@akroeger.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: RE: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 12:57:14 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c2ac3f$0f05ca30$0200a8c0@akm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C2AC15.262FC230" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001a01c2acfc$24b9fd20$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> Resent-Message-ID: <mqsyhD.A.xFH.7FfC-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/28032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C2AC15.262FC230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't have a GT-3, but I do have a GT-6 and it has an output control on the back side. I would assert to this if it were a GT-6 and I will suppose that it is entirely possible with the GT-3. I accidentally did this by a combination as follows I was using an electric violin with a passive piezo system and switched to an electric guitar with higher output pickups. I had also switched amplifiers and blindly plugged the setup together and proceeded to test this setup. The amp was setup with the master and gain up and with the GT-6 patch I chose I almost blew the speaker out of coarse I didn't continue to use these settings, because I have some respect for the cost of my equiptment. I would also suspect that this fellow might be covering up for his sons tendency to abuse equiptment with his explanation. I would say that there are actually no hidden features in either the GT3 or the GT6 just people who don't pay attention to what they are doing or don't care ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Butch [mailto:paulrichard10@attbi.com] Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 11:31 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem I have this boss who's son is attending a local university that is reputed to be a good music school. However, I keep hearing the most ridculous assertions made by my boss pertaining to his son. The latest was his son's Boss GT-3 was responsible for blowing out the speakers on his Marshall stack. Due to some 'hidden' features of the GT-3 that not many people know or some such drivel. Doesn't make sense to me. The output of a GT-3 (of which I had one once) was a line level output if I remember correctly. How could the output blow the speakers on a Marshall stack? Regards and Merry... and Happy... Paul ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C2AC15.262FC230 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii"> <TITLE>Message
I=20 don't have a GT-3, but I do have a GT-6 and it has an output control on = the back=20 side. I would assert to this if it were a GT-6 and I will suppose that = it is=20 entirely possible with the GT-3. I accidentally did this by a = combination as=20 follows I was using an electric violin with a passive piezo system and = switched=20 to an electric guitar with higher output pickups. I had also switched = amplifiers=20 and blindly plugged the setup together and proceeded to test this setup. = The amp=20 was setup with the master and gain up and with the GT-6 patch I chose I = almost=20 blew the speaker out of coarse I didn't continue to use these settings, = because=20 I have some respect for the cost of my equiptment. I would also suspect = that=20 this fellow might be covering up for his sons tendency to abuse = equiptment with=20 his explanation. I would say that there are actually no hidden features = in=20 either the GT3 or the GT6 just people who don't pay attention to what = they are=20 doing or don't care ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: = Butch=20 [mailto:paulrichard10@attbi.com]
Sent: Thursday, December = 26, 2002=20 11:31 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 OT: University Music Degree Education or Student = Problem

I have this boss who's son is = attending a local=20 university that is reputed to be a good music school.

However, I keep hearing the most = ridculous=20 assertions made by my boss pertaining to his son.

The latest was his son's Boss GT-3 = was=20 responsible for blowing out the speakers on his Marshall stack. Due to = some=20 'hidden' features of the GT-3 that not many people know or some = such=20 drivel. Doesn't make sense to me. The output of a GT-3 (of which I had = one=20 once) was a line level output if I remember correctly. How could the = output=20 blow the speakers on a Marshall stack?

Regards and Merry... and = Happy...

Paul
------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C2AC15.262FC230-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 25 13:52:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32577; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 13:45:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 13:45:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <57.15ef8983.2b3b56b1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 13:45:05 EST Subject: Re: music by numbers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Prophet 03 Papua New Guinea Philips 538714-2 > > Throughout the piece drummer 2 drifts about behind > > the beat, but at the start there's a brief period where > > the 2 tempi rub up against each other. > > Thanks for the great example, Andy. well, you're welcome I was searching for the "prophet" site, but found that instead. > I was also trying to think up a > concrete example for this sort of "rhythmic drift" but didn't have the time > to go through piles of old ethnographic LPs (to which no one else would have > been able to listen anyway). mmmmmmmm...piles of ethno LPs > > Even though the audio clip is only 30 seconds, you can distinctly hear the > two drummers fall out of phase with each other. And you're right -- it does > sound great. I agree with Sarth that it would be almost impossible for us > (with our preconceived set of musical esthetics, conventions and > expectations) to try to execute this type of playing. possible though, didn't the Steve Reich guys get some things going? and fun to practice on your own, with left hand as drum1 and right as drum2 of course, with a couple of nearly in sync loops a related effect is easy > I'm sure most of us > would think of it as being "just plain wrong" and that the second drummer > had no sense of time, or had otherwise stumbled. I don't think those guys have a sense of "out of time" yep, its the wrong notes that sound the best Check out Charles Ives > > Andy also mentions "a glorious out of tuneness." Great term! I too love > that fuzzy intonation sometimes heard in various folk and traditional > performers from around the world, especially the musically "uneducated" or > "primitive" (in the sense of "self-taught" rather than the derogatory sense > of "backward" or "uncivilized"). in some tibetan ritual music the different elements, shawms, voices, conches and long droning trumpets are each tonally unrelated. It's possible that when the music was originally conceived the trumpets were at the "correct" pitch as a tonic for the shawms. > Another jazz example of this "glorious out > of tuneness" that I really enjoyed was Sun Ra. > I don't think any of > the musicians had bothered to tune their instruments to a common standard. > when they played Ra's arrangements of > jazz and big-band standards it was quite noticeable. > I later learned that this same sort of out-of-tuneness is > deliberately cultivated in some musical traditions, blues piano. I used to know a guitarist who would write stuff which sounded great on his out of tune guitar. I could learn his stuff, but sounded rubbish till I put my own guitar out of tune. > for example, Indonesian > gamelan orchestras, where a pair of gongs will be tuned several cents apart > so that when they're played together they will produce acoustical beating, > which greatly widens the sound. yes, and each gamelan orch. is accurately tuned to it's own different scale. quote " I don't even know if he can play a Cmajor scale in tune, but everthing he plays is so fresh" -Charles Mingus about Ornette Coleman > I guess this all comes back to the idea that there are multiple ways of > hearing, and that we often need to go beyond the musical prejudices of our > own traditions in order to appreciate other musical cultures. yes, some of those other cultures have music theory much beyond our western stuff. (and some of them don't need it) andy butler (did mention loop didn't I?;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 25 14:31:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03503; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 14:30:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 14:30:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c2ac4c$22c25bd0$7c44fea9@your5olnb28oao> From: "Keith Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: Re:Cooperation "Transcollaboration" cd release spam Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 14:30:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi, i'd love to hear the cd. if i qualify, please address to keith wilson 84 glenmount park road toronto, canada m4e 2n2 thanks, keith ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 3:31 PM Subject: Re:Cooperation "Transcollaboration" cd release spam > Howdy, > > Re:Cooperation, a collaborative effort between David Cooper Orton and > myself is now available. I will mail out five free copies to the first five > people who e-mail me from the Looper's Delight list. > All I want in return is a review/comment from these individuals (good > or bad). I will announce the individuals who will receive the cds on the > Looper's Delight . Re:Cooperation will also be available from: > www.unclebuzz.com and www.dogfingers.com. Please feel free to contact me with > any questions or comments. > > > Thanks, James Sidlo > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 25 17:50:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14989; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 17:47:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 17:47:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c2ad30$5521a920$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: <000201c2ac3f$0f05ca30$0200a8c0@akm.com> Subject: Re: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:44:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C2AD06.6C00DC80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C2AD06.6C00DC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message<< The amp was setup with the master and gain up >> I appreciate your comments. My first thoughts were, well, the output = from the GT-3's going to the Marshall pre-amp. If the pre-amp/amp = controls are maxed, more or less, then, yeah, it's possible to hose = one's speakers with some really boosted patch. I was wondering how one = could blow the speakers WITHOUT the volume being maxed and caused by = some 'secrets of the Incas' GT-3 patch. Regards, Paul ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alan Kroeger=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 12:57 PM Subject: RE: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem I don't have a GT-3, but I do have a GT-6 and it has an output control = on the back side. I would assert to this if it were a GT-6 and I will = suppose that it is entirely possible with the GT-3. I accidentally did = this by a combination as follows I was using an electric violin with a = passive piezo system and switched to an electric guitar with higher = output pickups. I had also switched amplifiers and blindly plugged the = setup together and proceeded to test this setup. The amp was setup with = the master and gain up and with the GT-6 patch I chose I almost blew the = speaker out of coarse I didn't continue to use these settings, because I = have some respect for the cost of my equiptment. I would also suspect = that this fellow might be covering up for his sons tendency to abuse = equiptment with his explanation. I would say that there are actually no = hidden features in either the GT3 or the GT6 just people who don't pay = attention to what they are doing or don't care ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Butch [mailto:paulrichard10@attbi.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 11:31 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem I have this boss who's son is attending a local university that is = reputed to be a good music school. However, I keep hearing the most ridculous assertions made by my = boss pertaining to his son. The latest was his son's Boss GT-3 was responsible for blowing out = the speakers on his Marshall stack. Due to some 'hidden' features of = the GT-3 that not many people know or some such drivel. Doesn't make = sense to me. The output of a GT-3 (of which I had one once) was a line = level output if I remember correctly. How could the output blow the = speakers on a Marshall stack? Regards and Merry... and Happy... Paul ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C2AD06.6C00DC80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
<< The amp was setup with the = master and gain=20 up >>

I appreciate your comments. My first = thoughts were,=20 well, the output from the GT-3's going to the Marshall pre-amp. If the=20 pre-amp/amp controls are maxed, more or less, then, yeah, it's possible = to hose=20 one's speakers with some really boosted patch. I was wondering how one = could=20 blow the speakers WITHOUT the volume being maxed and caused by some = 'secrets of=20 the Incas' GT-3 patch.

Regards, Paul

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alan = Kroeger=20

To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig= ht.com=20

Sent: Wednesday, December 25, = 2002 12:57=20 PM

Subject: RE: University Music = Degree=20 Education or Student Problem

I=20 don't have a GT-3, but I do have a GT-6 and it has an output control = on the=20 back side. I would assert to this if it were a GT-6 and I will suppose = that it=20 is entirely possible with the GT-3. I accidentally did this by a = combination=20 as follows I was using an electric violin with a passive piezo system = and=20 switched to an electric guitar with higher output pickups. I had also = switched=20 amplifiers and blindly plugged the setup together and proceeded to = test this=20 setup. The amp was setup with the master and gain up and with the GT-6 = patch I=20 chose I almost blew the speaker out of coarse I didn't continue to use = these=20 settings, because I have some respect for the cost of my equiptment. I = would=20 also suspect that this fellow might be covering up for his sons = tendency to=20 abuse equiptment with his explanation. I would say that there are = actually no=20 hidden features in either the GT3 or the GT6 just people who don't pay = attention to what they are doing or don't care = ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: = Butch=20 [mailto:paulrichard10@attbi.com]
Sent: Thursday, December = 26,=20 2002 11:31 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: OT: = University Music=20 Degree Education or Student Problem

I have this boss who's son is = attending a local=20 university that is reputed to be a good music school.

However, I keep hearing the most = ridculous=20 assertions made by my boss pertaining to his son.

The latest was his son's Boss GT-3 = was=20 responsible for blowing out the speakers on his Marshall stack. Due = to some=20 'hidden' features of the GT-3 that not many people know or = some such=20 drivel. Doesn't make sense to me. The output of a GT-3 (of which I = had one=20 once) was a line level output if I remember correctly. How could the = output=20 blow the speakers on a Marshall stack?

Regards and Merry... and = Happy...

Paul
------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C2AD06.6C00DC80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 25 17:55:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15280; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 17:52:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 17:52:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c2ad30$f4ecf2c0$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: Subject: Somewhat OT: Roland VSR-880 Digital Recorder & VM3100 Digital Mixer combo Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:48:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C2AD07.0BCC2620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C2AD07.0BCC2620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, again: I must be bored this Christmas. I saw a mint condition VSR-880 at the Guitar Center for $400. I ended up = putting 20 bucks down on it to hold. Seemed like a good deal although = used ones on eBay are approaching that price. Then, in AMS's catalog, I saw the VM3100PRO Digital Mixer going for = $399. The one with the R-Bus connect that attaches to, among other = things, the VSR-880. Seems like a decent recorder config for $800 = compared with the the original prices of the gear. Anybody on the site = use either of these beasts? Pass on the mixer, the recorder or both? Regards, Paul ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C2AD07.0BCC2620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, again:

I must be bored this = Christmas.

I saw a mint condition VSR-880 at the = Guitar Center=20 for $400. I ended up putting 20 bucks down on it to hold. Seemed like a = good=20 deal although used ones on eBay are approaching that price.

Then, in AMS's catalog, I saw the = VM3100PRO Digital=20 Mixer going for $399. The one with the R-Bus connect that attaches = to,=20 among other things, the VSR-880. Seems like a decent recorder config for = $800=20 compared with the the original prices of the gear. Anybody on the site = use=20 either of these beasts? Pass on the mixer, the recorder or = both?

Regards, = Paul
------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C2AD07.0BCC2620-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 25 18:13:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17913; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 18:13:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 18:13:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004201c2ac6b$9f161d60$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <000201c2ac3f$0f05ca30$0200a8c0@akm.com> <002101c2ad30$5521a920$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> Subject: Re: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 18:16:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01C2AC41.B5B9CE60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C2AC41.B5B9CE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageStatic pop? Years ago it happened to me with a Pignose 30/60. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Butch=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 5:44 PM Subject: Re: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem << The amp was setup with the master and gain up >> I appreciate your comments. My first thoughts were, well, the output = from the GT-3's going to the Marshall pre-amp. If the pre-amp/amp = controls are maxed, more or less, then, yeah, it's possible to hose = one's speakers with some really boosted patch. I was wondering how one = could blow the speakers WITHOUT the volume being maxed and caused by = some 'secrets of the Incas' GT-3 patch. Regards, Paul ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alan Kroeger=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 12:57 PM Subject: RE: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem I don't have a GT-3, but I do have a GT-6 and it has an output = control on the back side. I would assert to this if it were a GT-6 and I = will suppose that it is entirely possible with the GT-3. I accidentally = did this by a combination as follows I was using an electric violin with = a passive piezo system and switched to an electric guitar with higher = output pickups. I had also switched amplifiers and blindly plugged the = setup together and proceeded to test this setup. The amp was setup with = the master and gain up and with the GT-6 patch I chose I almost blew the = speaker out of coarse I didn't continue to use these settings, because I = have some respect for the cost of my equiptment. I would also suspect = that this fellow might be covering up for his sons tendency to abuse = equiptment with his explanation. I would say that there are actually no = hidden features in either the GT3 or the GT6 just people who don't pay = attention to what they are doing or don't care ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Butch [mailto:paulrichard10@attbi.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 11:31 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem I have this boss who's son is attending a local university that is = reputed to be a good music school. However, I keep hearing the most ridculous assertions made by my = boss pertaining to his son. The latest was his son's Boss GT-3 was responsible for blowing out = the speakers on his Marshall stack. Due to some 'hidden' features of = the GT-3 that not many people know or some such drivel. Doesn't make = sense to me. The output of a GT-3 (of which I had one once) was a line = level output if I remember correctly. How could the output blow the = speakers on a Marshall stack? Regards and Merry... and Happy... Paul ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C2AC41.B5B9CE60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Static pop? Years ago it happened = to

me with a Pignose 30/60.

* David Beardsley
* http://biink.com
* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley<= /FONT>

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Butch

To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20

Sent: Thursday, December 26, = 2002 5:44=20 PM

Subject: Re: University Music = Degree=20 Education or Student Problem

<< The amp was setup with the = master and=20 gain up >>

I appreciate your comments. My first = thoughts=20 were, well, the output from the GT-3's going to the Marshall pre-amp. = If the=20 pre-amp/amp controls are maxed, more or less, then, yeah, it's = possible to=20 hose one's speakers with some really boosted patch. I was wondering = how one=20 could blow the speakers WITHOUT the volume being maxed and caused by = some=20 'secrets of the Incas' GT-3 patch.

Regards, Paul

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alan = Kroeger=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20

Sent: Wednesday, December 25, = 2002=20 12:57 PM

Subject: RE: University Music = Degree=20 Education or Student Problem

I=20 don't have a GT-3, but I do have a GT-6 and it has an output control = on the=20 back side. I would assert to this if it were a GT-6 and I will = suppose that=20 it is entirely possible with the GT-3. I accidentally did this by a=20 combination as follows I was using an electric violin with a passive = piezo=20 system and switched to an electric guitar with higher output = pickups. I had=20 also switched amplifiers and blindly plugged the setup together and=20 proceeded to test this setup. The amp was setup with the master and = gain up=20 and with the GT-6 patch I chose I almost blew the speaker out of = coarse I=20 didn't continue to use these settings, because I have some respect = for the=20 cost of my equiptment. I would also suspect that this fellow might = be=20 covering up for his sons tendency to abuse equiptment with his = explanation.=20 I would say that there are actually no hidden features in either the = GT3 or=20 the GT6 just people who don't pay attention to what they are doing = or don't=20 care ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: = Butch=20 [mailto:paulrichard10@attbi.com]
Sent: Thursday, = December 26,=20 2002 11:31 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: OT: = University=20 Music Degree Education or Student Problem

I have this boss who's son is = attending a=20 local university that is reputed to be a good music = school.

However, I keep hearing the most = ridculous=20 assertions made by my boss pertaining to his son.

The latest was his son's Boss = GT-3 was=20 responsible for blowing out the speakers on his Marshall stack. = Due to=20 some 'hidden' features of the GT-3 that not many people know = or some=20 such drivel. Doesn't make sense to me. The output of a GT-3 (of = which I=20 had one once) was a line level output if I remember correctly. How = could=20 the output blow the speakers on a Marshall stack?

Regards and Merry... and=20 Happy...

Paul
<= /HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C2AC41.B5B9CE60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 25 19:58:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23212; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 19:55:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 19:55:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c2ac79$733af860$0300a8c0@akm.com> From: "Alan Kroeger" To: References: <000201c2ac3f$0f05ca30$0200a8c0@akm.com> <002101c2ad30$5521a920$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> <004201c2ac6b$9f161d60$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Re: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 19:55:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01C2AC4F.89E427A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C2AC4F.89E427A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageYes, now I try to be more careful when switching amps and I also = try to keep my patch levels a little more consistant. I have also = created similar patches, but geared toward the different instruments and = there signal level outputs, labeled properly and clearly. I wouldn't = want to duplicate a trick like that again ;-).=20 'Secret of the Incas', thats a good one ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Beardsley=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 6:16 PM Subject: Re: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem Static pop? Years ago it happened to me with a Pignose 30/60. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Butch=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 5:44 PM Subject: Re: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem << The amp was setup with the master and gain up >> I appreciate your comments. My first thoughts were, well, the output = from the GT-3's going to the Marshall pre-amp. If the pre-amp/amp = controls are maxed, more or less, then, yeah, it's possible to hose = one's speakers with some really boosted patch. I was wondering how one = could blow the speakers WITHOUT the volume being maxed and caused by = some 'secrets of the Incas' GT-3 patch. Regards, Paul ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alan Kroeger=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 12:57 PM Subject: RE: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem I don't have a GT-3, but I do have a GT-6 and it has an output = control on the back side. I would assert to this if it were a GT-6 and I = will suppose that it is entirely possible with the GT-3. I accidentally = did this by a combination as follows I was using an electric violin with = a passive piezo system and switched to an electric guitar with higher = output pickups. I had also switched amplifiers and blindly plugged the = setup together and proceeded to test this setup. The amp was setup with = the master and gain up and with the GT-6 patch I chose I almost blew the = speaker out of coarse I didn't continue to use these settings, because I = have some respect for the cost of my equiptment. I would also suspect = that this fellow might be covering up for his sons tendency to abuse = equiptment with his explanation. I would say that there are actually no = hidden features in either the GT3 or the GT6 just people who don't pay = attention to what they are doing or don't care ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Butch [mailto:paulrichard10@attbi.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 11:31 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: University Music Degree Education or Student = Problem I have this boss who's son is attending a local university that = is reputed to be a good music school. However, I keep hearing the most ridculous assertions made by my = boss pertaining to his son. The latest was his son's Boss GT-3 was responsible for blowing = out the speakers on his Marshall stack. Due to some 'hidden' features = of the GT-3 that not many people know or some such drivel. Doesn't make = sense to me. The output of a GT-3 (of which I had one once) was a line = level output if I remember correctly. How could the output blow the = speakers on a Marshall stack? Regards and Merry... and Happy... Paul ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C2AC4F.89E427A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Yes, now I try to be more careful when = switching=20 amps and I also try to keep my patch levels a little more consistant. I = have=20 also created similar patches, but geared toward the different = instruments and=20 there signal level outputs, labeled properly and clearly. I wouldn't = want to=20 duplicate a trick like that again ;-).

'Secret of the Incas', thats a good one = <snicker!>

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 David = Beardsley
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20

Sent: Wednesday, December 25, = 2002 6:16=20 PM

Subject: Re: University Music = Degree=20 Education or Student Problem

Static pop? Years ago it happened = to

me with a Pignose 30/60.

* David Beardsley
* http://biink.com
* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley<= /FONT>

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Butch
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20

Sent: Thursday, December 26, = 2002 5:44=20 PM

Subject: Re: University Music = Degree=20 Education or Student Problem

<< The amp was setup with the = master and=20 gain up >>

I appreciate your comments. My = first thoughts=20 were, well, the output from the GT-3's going to the Marshall = pre-amp. If the=20 pre-amp/amp controls are maxed, more or less, then, yeah, it's = possible to=20 hose one's speakers with some really boosted patch. I was wondering = how one=20 could blow the speakers WITHOUT the volume being maxed and caused by = some=20 'secrets of the Incas' GT-3 patch.

Regards, Paul

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Alan=20 Kroeger
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20

Sent: Wednesday, December = 25, 2002=20 12:57 PM

Subject: RE: University = Music Degree=20 Education or Student Problem

I don't have a GT-3, but I do have a GT-6 and it has an = output=20 control on the back side. I would assert to this if it were a GT-6 = and I=20 will suppose that it is entirely possible with the GT-3. I = accidentally=20 did this by a combination as follows I was using an electric = violin with a=20 passive piezo system and switched to an electric guitar with = higher output=20 pickups. I had also switched amplifiers and blindly plugged the = setup=20 together and proceeded to test this setup. The amp was setup with = the=20 master and gain up and with the GT-6 patch I chose I almost blew = the=20 speaker out of coarse I didn't continue to use these settings, = because I=20 have some respect for the cost of my equiptment. I would also = suspect that=20 this fellow might be covering up for his sons tendency to abuse = equiptment=20 with his explanation. I would say that there are actually no = hidden=20 features in either the GT3 or the GT6 just people who don't pay = attention=20 to what they are doing or don't care ;-)

-----Original = Message-----
From: Butch=20 [mailto:paulrichard10@attbi.com]
Sent: Thursday, = December 26,=20 2002 11:31 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: OT: = University=20 Music Degree Education or Student Problem

I have this boss who's son is = attending a=20 local university that is reputed to be a good music = school.

However, I keep hearing the = most ridculous=20 assertions made by my boss pertaining to his son.

The latest was his son's Boss = GT-3 was=20 responsible for blowing out the speakers on his Marshall stack. = Due to=20 some 'hidden' features of the GT-3 that not many people = know or=20 some such drivel. Doesn't make sense to me. The output of a GT-3 = (of=20 which I had one once) was a line level output if I remember = correctly.=20 How could the output blow the speakers on a Marshall = stack?

Regards and Merry... and=20 Happy...

Paul
------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C2AC4F.89E427A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 25 21:31:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29307; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:28:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:28:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021225175909.00b8caf8@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 18:27:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: User Error In-Reply-To: <3E09EC47.BCFD0C81@zerocrossing.net> References: <001a01c2acfc$24b9fd20$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Effects boxes don't blow speakers. People do. HAHA! Mark, this would ba a great T-shirt. You should copyright it, sell it to __________, and split the money with me. Merry X-Mas, everybody. -Hans P.S. NAMM is right around the corner ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 25 21:48:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30348; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:45:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:45:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E0A6CB6.5C8F705F@ubuibi.org> Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 18:43:02 -0800 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: User Error References: <001a01c2acfc$24b9fd20$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20021225175909.00b8caf8@pop.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com or... Effects boxes don't blow minds. People do armatronix wrote: > Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > Effects boxes don't blow speakers. People do. > > HAHA! Mark, this would ba a great T-shirt. You should copyright it, sell > it to __________, and split the money with me. Merry X-Mas, everybody. > > -Hans > > P.S. NAMM is right around the corner ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 25 22:16:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00766; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 22:16:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 22:16:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021225182958.00ba4008@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 19:15:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Speaking of NAMM... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021225175909.00b8caf8@pop.charter.net> References: <3E09EC47.BCFD0C81@zerocrossing.net> <001a01c2acfc$24b9fd20$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Speaking of NAMM... Who's going? Shall we meet somewhere like last year? -Hans P.S. Mark, that's only three weeks to get the samples ready :o P.P.S. Here's a Christmas card idea I just had: Front: In some European countries, the little Christ child delivers all the gifts. Back: So then what does Santa do, just sit on his fat ass? (c)2002 P.P.P.S. That last bit was a joke which may not be funny to some Europeans, nor possibly to Canadians or others. Indeed, many Americans might not even "get it". At 18:27 25/12/2002, I wrote: >Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >> Effects boxes don't blow speakers. People do. > >HAHA! Mark, that quote would make a great T-shirt. You should copyright >it, sell it to __________, and split the money with me. Merry X-Mas, >everybody. > >-Hans > >P.S. NAMM is right around the corner ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 25 22:26:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01199; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 22:25:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 22:25:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021225191534.00b659f8@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 19:25:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: User Error In-Reply-To: <3E0A6CB6.5C8F705F@ubuibi.org> References: <001a01c2acfc$24b9fd20$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20021225175909.00b8caf8@pop.charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's a good one too! Do you think maybe we could use it for Loopstock 2003? -Hans At 18:43 25/12/2002, Das wrote: >or... > >Effects boxes don't blow minds. People do > > > >armatronix wrote: > > > Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > > > Effects boxes don't blow speakers. People do. > > > > HAHA! Mark, this would ba a great T-shirt. You should copyright it, sell > > it to __________, and split the money with me. Merry X-Mas, everybody. > > > > -Hans > > > > P.S. NAMM is right around the corner ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 25 22:36:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01691; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 22:35:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 22:35:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 19:15:41 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem In-reply-to: <000201c2ac3f$0f05ca30$0200a8c0@akm.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1171248505==_ma============" References: <000201c2ac3f$0f05ca30$0200a8c0@akm.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1171248505==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 12:57 PM -0500 12/25/02, Alan Kroeger wrote: >The amp was setup with the master and gain up and with the GT-6 >patch I chose I almost blew the speaker out "Turn something down before you turn something on." - Bruce Rittenbach, UCSD music technology instructor, 1978. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1171248505==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" RE: University Music Degree Education or Student Probl
At 12:57 PM -0500 12/25/02, Alan Kroeger wrote:

The amp was setup with the master and gain up and with the GT-6 patch I chose I almost blew the speaker out

"Turn something down before you turn something on."

                - Bruce Rittenbach, UCSD music technology instructor, 1978.

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--============_-1171248505==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 25 22:43:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02022; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 22:42:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 22:42:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 19:45:47 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20021225182958.00ba4008@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3E09EC47.BCFD0C81@zerocrossing.net> <001a01c2acfc$24b9fd20$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20021225182958.00ba4008@pop.charter.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:15 PM -0800 12/25/02, armatronix wrote: >Speaking of NAMM... > >Who's going? Shall we meet somewhere like last year? I'll be there as usual. Mobile # (818) 621-2204. I'll make frequent stops at Eventide and Wave Mechanics. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 25 22:54:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02452; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 22:53:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 22:53:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 22:53:46 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c2ac92$64867010$0200a8c0@akm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2AC68.7BB06810" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <9p_xMD.A.Om.M1nC-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2AC68.7BB06810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess I wasn't absolutely clear its was the patch that was a problem with the current amp settings the other patches were fine, just a carelessly set patch that had been set higher for usage with a low output instrument that nearly got me. This is a problem with using intruments of differing levels of output on the same GT-6, Now I label and group them for different instruments and purposes. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 10:16 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: University Music Degree Education or Student Problem At 12:57 PM -0500 12/25/02, Alan Kroeger wrote: The amp was setup with the master and gain up and with the GT-6 patch I chose I almost blew the speaker out "Turn something down before you turn something on." - Bruce Rittenbach, UCSD music technology instructor, 1978. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2AC68.7BB06810 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I=20 guess I wasn't absolutely clear its was the patch that was a problem = with the=20 current amp settings the other patches were fine, just a carelessly set = patch=20 that had been set higher for usage with a low output instrument that = nearly got=20 me.

This=20 is a problem with using intruments of differing levels of output on the = same=20 GT-6, Now I label and group them for different instruments and purposes. =

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Sent: Wednesday, December 25, = 2002 10:16=20 PM
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At 12:57 PM -0500 12/25/02, Alan Kroeger wrote:

The=20 amp was setup with the master and gain up and with the GT-6 patch I = chose I=20 almost blew the speaker out

"Turn something down before you turn something = on."

       =20         - = Bruce=20 Rittenbach, UCSD music technology instructor, = 1978.
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______________________________________________________________Richard=20 Zvonar, PhD       =
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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2AC68.7BB06810-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 00:44:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08359; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 00:44:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 00:44:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:43:58 -0800 Subject: Re: User Error From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021225191534.00b659f8@pop.charter.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 12/25/02 7:25 PM, armatronix at armatronix@charter.net wrote: > Loopstock 2003 Any details yet? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 11:22:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13127; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 11:20:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 11:20:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <147.61f1803.2b3c85f8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 11:19:04 EST Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA13106 Resent-Message-ID: <_K1OXB.A.BND.3wyC-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hans, In a message dated 12/25/02 7:16:52 PM, armatronix@charter.net writes: >Who's going? Shall we meet somewhere like last year? Well, I'll be there -- at least on Thursday and Friday. Saturday is much too much of a zoo for me and I'm usually pretty tired by then too anyway -- so I may not hang around for Saturday again. But who knows. Sunday I definitely head back to Oregon. Thursday I'll be meeting with my two main MI clients and start wandering the show floor. Friday is my "just for fun" day where I'm more or less free of any business commitments. If anyone wants to connect up my cell number is 1-541-890-6225 tEd � kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 11:38:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13754; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 11:35:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 11:35:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009801c2acf4$333e16e0$ca464ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <147.61f1803.2b3c85f8@aol.com> Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:33:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Who's going? Shall we meet somewhere like last year? I'll be there!! I'll be playing on the Ashdown stand again, and probably in a few other places as well. Am also playing at the 'Winter NAMM Bass Bash', presented by talkbass.com along with bassquake.com - other players include Victor Bailey, Michael Manring, Keith Horne, Mike Watt, Michael Dimin, Dave Pomeroy, Trip Wamsley, Todd Johnson... - Dave, Todd, Michael and I will all be looping... :o) Well worth coming to - see www.bassquake.org for more - and what's more, you won't need a NAMM pass to get in... I'm also doing loads of gigs in CA after that, some on my own, some with Michael Manring, and some with Rick Walker and Andre LaFosse - what fun that's going to be... get there if you can - see my website for the details... cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk www.stevelawson.net www.solobassnetwork.org.uk www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 12:33:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17272; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 12:32:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 12:32:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 09:32:24 -0800 Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <147.61f1803.2b3c85f8@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So what's it take to get into NAMM? I've been contemplating running down for a day or so. I figure it ought to be more fun than Macworld. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 12:46:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18048; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 12:45:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 12:45:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 09:36:44 -0800 From: Daryl Subject: [looper's] Re: Speaking of NAMM... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3E0B3E2C.1219EDF1@mhorse.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <147.61f1803.2b3c85f8@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Could someone (or maybe everyone) going to NAMM bug Electro-Harmonix about the 16-second DD? I would think the tremendous success of the Line6 DL4 would have encouraged them. still dreaming, Daryl highhorse@mhorse.com P.S. oh yes and thanks Looper's, the recommendation of the Zoom 2100 allowed me to get a great-sounding 32-second sampler for $56! (on eBay) I'd never have found out about this otherwise. I can't believe the (low) prices these are going for...and yes I've seen a few places that still sell new ones, for about $130. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 12:54:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19038; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 12:54:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 12:54:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1a2.e1df95a.2b3c9c3d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 12:54:05 EST Subject: strangness indeed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com
a couple of weeks ago someone commented on what he was thinking of independently would pop up on LD as a thread.....ive had this happen several times (scary huh?).....this time it was the same issue, rack units.....low and behold, on christmas eve after getting home there was my new rack, a sweet ''gator" 6 space on the bottom and 10 on top for my mixer.....my 3 electrx boxes fill the bottom and my mackie and Q-2 are up top, still have room for perhaps 2 more boxes.....boy did this organize my mess but i will tell you what, this thing being as small and compact as it is is still a bit much to schlepp around (im old and puny), im just "talent" for cryin out loud not some beer (yum) swillin roadie.....ah the injustice of it all.....now i have to get shorter jacks, question: does having all that mess in the back effect the sound i.e. long cables running over power chords etc.? do i need to "invest" in shorter cables or can i leave well enuf alone?.....im still sleepin with one eye open for fear of my family, they no longer beleave i can win that many contests whereby i get "free" equipment!.....i keep telling them to have no fear, for when im done getting stuff, ill be able to make the BIG BUCK with my tunes.....sure!.....anyway, if you have been wanting to get a rack, do so, it will at least protect your tools but do watch out for the portability issue.....i got something like 128 lbs. of cables in the thing alone.....:).....hope the holidays find you all LOOPIE.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 12:59:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20651; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 12:59:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 12:59:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <3f.15ffeaba.2b3c9d65@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 12:59:01 EST Subject: Re: [looper's] Re: Speaking of NAMM... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3f.15ffeaba.2b3c9d65_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_3f.15ffeaba.2b3c9d65_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/26/02 12:46:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, highhorse@mhorse.com writes: > the recommendation of the Zoom 2100 > allowed me to get a great-sounding 32-second sampler for $56! (on eBay) > daryl.....good for you!.....dont forget to try out the ring mod patches and the pitch shift patches, you will need the expression pedal to fully use this little box.....also, the 3 five sec loops can create some real mayhem.....michael --part1_3f.15ffeaba.2b3c9d65_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/26/02 12:46:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, highhorse@mhorse.com writes:

the recommendation of the Zoom 2100
allowed me to get a great-sounding 32-second sampler for $56! (on eBay)

daryl.....good for you!.....dont forget to try out the ring mod patches and the pitch shift patches, you will need the expression pedal to fully use this little box.....also, the 3 five sec loops can create some real mayhem.....michael --part1_3f.15ffeaba.2b3c9d65_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 13:23:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22217; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:20:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:20:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021226181945.3563.qmail@web40312.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 10:19:45 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021225182958.00ba4008@pop.charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com looks like i'll be there with some new basses promoting a new bass shop opening up in manhattan...all custom hand made instruments...truly a wonder of nature! see ya there! --- armatronix wrote: > Speaking of NAMM... > > Who's going? Shall we meet somewhere like last > year? > > -Hans > > > P.S. Mark, that's only three weeks to get the > samples ready :o > > > P.P.S. Here's a Christmas card idea I just had: > > Front: In some European countries, the little > Christ child delivers all > the gifts. > > Back: So then what does Santa do, just sit on his > fat ass? (c)2002 > > > P.P.P.S. That last bit was a joke which may not be > funny to some > Europeans, nor possibly to Canadians or others. > Indeed, many Americans > might not even "get it". > > > At 18:27 25/12/2002, I wrote: > > >Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > >> Effects boxes don't blow speakers. People do. > > > >HAHA! Mark, that quote would make a great T-shirt. > You should copyright > >it, sell it to __________, and split the money with > me. Merry X-Mas, > >everybody. > > > >-Hans > > > >P.S. NAMM is right around the corner ;) > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 13:30:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22805; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:27:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:27:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021226182702.98207.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 10:27:02 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: strangness indeed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1a2.e1df95a.2b3c9c3d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > question: does having all that mess in the back > effect the sound i.e. long cables running over power > chords etc? Yes, it can. It's not so much the length of the cables (although that can attenuate yer highs, as well as being rack-spaghetti), but you will want to take care to route your power-carrying cords so as not to be interfering with your signal-carrying ones. The ol' 60hz hummmmmm, y'know? It would be simpler if all manufacturers would standardize which side of the unit they put the power cord on, but they don't. I found it helpful to use velcro and cable clips on the sides of my rack to keep things (sort of) organized, although my gear-schlepping pendulum is again swinging towards wanting a smaller, lighter set-up, so the rack and pedalboard may be getting dismantled soon in preparation for yet another overhaul... -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 13:36:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23209; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:33:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:33:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 10:26:41 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: [looper's] Re: Speaking of NAMM... In-reply-to: <3E0B3E2C.1219EDF1@mhorse.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <147.61f1803.2b3c85f8@aol.com> <3E0B3E2C.1219EDF1@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:36 AM -0800 12/26/02, Daryl wrote: >Could someone (or maybe everyone) going to NAMM bug Electro-Harmonix about >the 16-second DD? I would think the tremendous success of the Line6 DL4 >would have encouraged them. Perhaps someone could plant a boom box in their booth, with a loop cassette playing at a subliminal level: "Bring back the 16-second delay." -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 13:36:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23187; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:33:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:33:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 10:24:13 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:32 AM -0800 12/26/02, Mark Hamburg wrote: >So what's it take to get into NAMM? Contacts in the industry. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 13:50:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23953; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:47:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:47:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 10:42:57 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: strangness indeed In-reply-to: <20021226182702.98207.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20021226182702.98207.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:27 AM -0800 12/26/02, Tim Nelson wrote: >--- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >> question: does having all that mess in the back >> effect the sound i.e. long cables running over power >> chords etc? > >Yes, it can. It's not so much the length of the cables >(although that can attenuate yer highs, as well as >being rack-spaghetti), but you will want to take care >to route your power-carrying cords so as not to be >interfering with your signal-carrying ones. The ol' >60hz hummmmmm, y'know? It's also best to avoid running audio cables parallel to power cables. If they must cross each other, try to arrange them to cross at right angles to minimize induced noise. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 15:54:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00425; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:53:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:53:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:53:16 EST Subject: Re: strangness indeed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA00397 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael K. In a message dated 12/26/02 9:55:08 AM, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: >question: does having all that mess in the back effect the >sound i.e. long cables running over power chords etc.? IMHO (and in my experience) it does. Shorter connecting wires and routing/bundling the audio away from proximity to AC has helped me clean up my act. The back of my rack looks like a mess at times -- especially right after I've figured out some new configuration to try. But it always sounds better a few weeks (or months) later when I tidy it up again with cables of the proper length with power cords and signal cables routed to opposite sides of the rack (whenever possible). I even buy replacement connectors for the "wall-warts" and shorten those leads too (whenever possible) -- though that may be a little obsessive I admit. Best, tEd � kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 16:18:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03413; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:18:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:18:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005201c2ad24$bced6e60$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <20021226181945.3563.qmail@web40312.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:21:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Meyers" > looks like i'll be there with some new basses > promoting a new bass shop opening up in > manhattan...all custom hand made instruments...truly a > wonder of nature! Where in Manhattan and when? * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 16:46:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04588; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:45:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:45:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E0B77EE.FA706671@ubuibi.org> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:43:11 -0800 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: strangness indeed References: <1a2.e1df95a.2b3c9c3d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com length of cables not as important as keeping power cables seperate from audio. musicians friend/guitar center regularly has good 3 foot cables (in pretty colors) cheap then you can use all the long cords for NEW EVIL > question: does having all that mess in the back > effect the sound i.e. long cables running over power chords etc.? do i need > to "invest" in shorter cables or can i leave well enuf alone?.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 17:34:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07936; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:31:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:31:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 14:28:44 -0800 Subject: Re: strangness indeed From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3E0B77EE.FA706671@ubuibi.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 4 me(your mileage may differ) i pay no attention to these things if it gets too noisee then i check stuff but when i turn everything on a little crackle in the signal is ok,and the back of my amp is,well dont look :-) i even have a rack unit that includes a circuit w/ pot that increases the 60cycle hum to emulate a loudass guitar amp at ridiculous volume noise is part of my guitar signal-it lets me know i is ELECTRAFIED!! s > length of cables not as important as keeping power cables seperate from audio. > musicians friend/guitar center regularly has good 3 foot cables (in pretty > colors) cheap > then you can use all the long cords for NEW EVIL > > >> question: does having all that mess in the back >> effect the sound i.e. long cables running over power chords etc.? do i need >> to "invest" in shorter cables or can i leave well enuf alone?.... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 17:51:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08654; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:48:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:48:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002a01c2ad30$f4ecf2c0$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> References: <002a01c2ad30$f4ecf2c0$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:47:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Somewhat OT: Roland VSR-880 Digital Recorder & VM3100 Digital Mixer combo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4sXbZ.A.IHC.Gd4C-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Then, in AMS's catalog, I saw the VM3100PRO Digital Mixer going for >$399. The one with the R-Bus connect that attaches to, among other >things, the VSR-880. Seems like a decent recorder config for $800 >compared with the the original prices of the gear. Anybody on the >site use either of these beasts? Pass on the mixer, the recorder or >both? The 3100PRO goes for $309 on http://8thstreet.com /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 17:51:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08631; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:48:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:48:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021226224802.76002.qmail@web40307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 14:48:02 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005201c2ad24$bced6e60$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com we are still working out the specifics for the shop, but the store will be called joey g's music shop and it'll probably be somewhere around canal/mulberry area...the edge of china town. we'll definitely be at namm though with probably about a dozen or so different basses... --- David Beardsley wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Evan Meyers" > > > looks like i'll be there with some new basses > > promoting a new bass shop opening up in > > manhattan...all custom hand made > instruments...truly a > > wonder of nature! > > Where in Manhattan and when? > > > * David Beardsley > * http://biink.com > * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 18:14:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10947; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 18:11:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 18:11:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f001c2ad34$90245500$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <20021226224802.76002.qmail@web40307.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 18:14:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <9dvQBC.A.9qC.dy4C-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Meyers" > we are still working out the specifics for the shop, > but the store will be called joey g's music shop and > it'll probably be somewhere around canal/mulberry > area...the edge of china town. we'll definitely be at > namm though with probably about a dozen or so > different basses... Cool...I play fretless guitar and bass, I'll make it a point to stop by the store. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 20:00:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16834; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:56:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:56:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021227005618.94132.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:56:18 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00f001c2ad34$90245500$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com excellent...i'll post info about it as soon as its available. it is basically going to be an appointment only kind of thing with a very relaxed (almost hanging out) environment where you can shoot a game of pool, play a bunch of basses in all sorts of environments (including a studio setup and an isolation booth to name just some of the cooler ones that you don't normally get to check an instrument out with). we're really hoping to make it the one place in manhattan where a musician will always want to stop by. eventually we are planning on getting into guitars, but for now, we are only working with bass luthiers...from all over the world as well. it is really exciting and i'm sure everyone on this list would at least be interested enough to throw in their two cents. i'll let you know more info about where we'll be at namm once we finalize all of the plans (some point this weekend), but i look forward to seeing you guys at my very first namm show! --- David Beardsley wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Evan Meyers" > > > we are still working out the specifics for the > shop, > > but the store will be called joey g's music shop > and > > it'll probably be somewhere around canal/mulberry > > area...the edge of china town. we'll definitely > be at > > namm though with probably about a dozen or so > > different basses... > > Cool...I play fretless guitar and bass, I'll make it > a point to > stop by the store. > > * David Beardsley > * http://biink.com > * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 20:17:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19058; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:16:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:16:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c2ae0e$505de0a0$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: <002a01c2ad30$f4ecf2c0$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> Subject: Re: Somewhat OT: Roland VSR-880 Digital Recorder & VM3100Digital Mixer combo Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:13:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks! I'm going to save that website for future reference. But the $299 job is a 3100 non-PRO version. Regards, Paul > > The 3100PRO goes for $309 on http://8thstreet.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 20:20:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19354; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:19:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:19:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c2ae0e$bfd6dd60$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: <20021227005618.94132.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:16:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can anyone offer suggestions as to how to gain admission to NAMM? Regards, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 21:51:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24244; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:47:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:47:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021226152703.0312e008@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:54:53 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Duke Sexton Subject: Re: strangness indeed In-Reply-To: References: <20021226182702.98207.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> <20021226182702.98207.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:42 AM 12/26/2002 -0800, Richard Zvonar wrote: >It's also best to avoid running audio cables parallel to power cables. If >they must cross each other, try to arrange them to cross at right angles >to minimize induced noise. In addition, I heard this little urban legend a few years back: If you coil your excess cords in a symmetrical pattern (i.e. a single loop over top of itself), the signal bleed-through can cause a slight but noticeable feedback loop hum on a single frequency. This can supposedly cause a voltage hum whose frequency is dependant upon the size of the coil loop. The solution is to not wind in a single pattern so the signal can't reinforce a single frequency over and over again. If true, I'd imagine this probably has more effect on power cords, since they're more likely to bleed signal through the insulation. Like I implied, it's probably a bunch of hooey (I never actually had enough time handy with an RTA to run a real scientific test). But ever since hearing it, I've always wound my extra cable length in asymmetric figure-8's. It's a little thing, but figured it couldn't hurt. <*shrug*> Relatedly, has anybody ever had any issues with those 6- or 18-inch patch cables from Tascam (sometimes they're sold under the 'Cable Up' moniker)? They're cheap and the perfect size for cabling up a rack. But it just seems the cable itself is thin enough that there *ought* to be some problem with signal interference, frequency attenuation, or something. No evidence here, just paranoia of a product that "seems to good to be true". -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 22:02:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25986; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:59:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:59:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:45:29 -0600 Subject: line mixers in looping rigs From: adam To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200212270252.VAA24508@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello! i'm curious to know what everyone is using mixer-wise to combine various looping signals? i mainly interested in 1U rack space units since my anvil rack space is limited... thanks! adam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 26 22:08:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26401; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:08:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:08:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021226190558.00baf268@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:07:29 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: User Error In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021225191534.00b659f8@pop.charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I should have the venue and dates confirmed soon, and then I'll let everyone know. -Hans At 21:43 25/12/2002, you wrote: >on 12/25/02 7:25 PM, armatronix at armatronix@charter.net wrote: > > > Loopstock 2003 > >Any details yet? > >Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 27 00:04:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01048; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 00:01:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 00:01:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021227050048.83069.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:00:48 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002b01c2ae0e$bfd6dd60$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Butch wrote: > Can anyone offer suggestions as to how to gain > admission to NAMM? 1) try to bluff your way past security dressed as a mime 2) announce loudly that the president of Gibson has just arrived, then volunteer to organize the lynch-mob 3) tell them Nigel Tufnel sent you :) John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 27 01:08:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04548; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 01:08:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 01:08:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:08:14 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... In-reply-to: <002b01c2ae0e$bfd6dd60$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20021227005618.94132.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> <002b01c2ae0e$bfd6dd60$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:16 PM -0500 12/27/02, Butch wrote: >Can anyone offer suggestions as to how to gain admission to NAMM? My response to Mark Hamburg was not a joke. NAMM access is tightly controlled, so you really do need industry contacts to get a pass. Specifically, you need to get a guest pass from a NAMM member (usually an exhibitor) or else have press credentials and obtain your own pass that way. Actually there are a couple of maneuvers that might work. One thing I did successfully last year was to use a NAMM pass from a previous year's show. The security guards don't look that closely so you can breeze past them if you have something that at least looks like a legitimate pass. Once you're inside you can hit on any exhibitors you might know, to get a real pass. Another thing I've heard of, but haven't tried, is the old men's room back door entry route. There actually is a men's room accessible from the ground floor lobby and also accessible from the show floor. I can't give a specific location, but I remember confirming this a few years back. Good luck! -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 27 01:45:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05716; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 01:42:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 01:42:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: EsmondeFam@aol.com Message-ID: <11a.1c27e9f1.2b3d5039@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 01:42:01 EST Subject: WTb: DL4 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11a.1c27e9f1.2b3d5039_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_11a.1c27e9f1.2b3d5039_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi therem , im trying to get into looping. I thought a DL4 would be a good start. Anybody have one for sale thanks dylan --part1_11a.1c27e9f1.2b3d5039_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi therem , im trying to get into looping. I thought a DL4 would be a good start. Anybody have one for sale

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dylan --part1_11a.1c27e9f1.2b3d5039_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 27 05:03:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA16781; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 05:02:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 05:02:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <65.58d24a8.2b3d7f31@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 05:02:25 EST Subject: Re: strangness indeed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > length of cables not as important as keeping power cables seperate from > audio. > musicians friend/guitar center regularly has good 3 foot cables (in pretty > colors) cheap ....OR......... Avoid those cheap cables like the plague. Best is to buy 100m reel of studio quality mic cable and a whole load of jacks. Then make your own cables in any useful sizes you like. I never have a mains hum problem (YET) with good quality audio cables, even when all the cables are bundled together in one big audio/mains heap. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 27 06:21:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA20460; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 06:16:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 06:16:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: hum on audio lines (strangness indeed) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:18:43 +0100 Message-ID: <000601c2ad99$b7b6fea0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 In-Reply-To: <65.58d24a8.2b3d7f31@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7y7f1C.A.m_E.naDD-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Andy, I recently discovered a way (ok, I didn't discover it, used it for many years in automtive airbag electronics and prototpye automotive X-by-light systems, just started using it) by including an A/D-converter w/ toslink connector in my keys rack, then running the length (nearly any length that is) in 8-track-audio from my rack to the (digital) main mixer...no hum at all :-) Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de > -----Original Message----- > From: SoundFNR@aol.com [mailto:SoundFNR@aol.com] > Sent: Freitag, 27. Dezember 2002 11:02 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: strangness indeed > > > > length of cables not as important as keeping power cables > seperate from > > audio. > > musicians friend/guitar center regularly has good 3 foot > cables (in pretty > > colors) cheap > > ....OR......... > > Avoid those cheap cables like the plague. > Best is to buy 100m reel of studio quality mic cable > and a whole load of jacks. Then make your own cables > in any useful sizes you like. > I never have a mains hum problem (YET) with > good quality audio cables, even when all the cables are > bundled together in one big audio/mains heap. > > andy butler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 27 08:42:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30872; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:40:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:40:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:40:23 -0500 Subject: Cables was Re: hum on audio lines (strangness indeed) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Brett To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000601c2ad99$b7b6fea0$0601a8c0@SATAN> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It may surprise you but for over 20 years (!!) I have been using cheap stereo rca to rca cables (that you would use on stereo equipment) with rca->1/4" adaptors on my gear. My 'rig' had never been simple either: I fill a 24 channel mixer with lots of outboard gear (currently 6 sound modules and 8 effects units). When a cable breaks, its $1.99 to replace it with a 6' length. And yes, I gig with this! :) Then again, I pioneered the use of ironing boards as keyboard stands back in 1981. I use Ultimate stands now. ;) As for hum, I have never had a hum problem. These cables are adequately shielded. All my connections are unbalanced. Here are some pics of my rig, wired with $1.99 6' stereo rca cables and adaptors. http://www.oldbmw.com/other/music/live.jpg plexus >> ....OR......... >> >> Avoid those cheap cables like the plague. >> Best is to buy 100m reel of studio quality mic cable >> and a whole load of jacks. Then make your own cables >> in any useful sizes you like. >> I never have a mains hum problem (YET) with >> good quality audio cables, even when all the cables are >> bundled together in one big audio/mains heap. >> >> andy butler >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 27 12:33:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12048; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:31:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:31:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02d201c2adcd$97d1b880$aee35cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #301 for December 26, 2002 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:29:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #301 December 26, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Jonn Serrie, a defining pioneer of the spacemusic genre. The Featured CD at midnight was "Flightpath" on the Miramar label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Timewind" by Klaus Schulze on the Caroline label. Jonn Serrie http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus02.html#dec PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Klaus Schulze Wahnfried 1883 Timewind (Caroline) Remanence Lamkhyer Lamkhyer (mPATH) Skin Mechanix First Flight The Secret Life of Angels (InfectionMusic) Glenn Adams Journey Galactic Anthems (Galactic Anthems) The Glimmer Room Lake Song Tomorrow's Tuesday (Neu Harmony) Ron Boots Ghost of a Mist (the Ghost of a Mist (Groove) Sleepwalker) 12:00 am Jonn Serrie Flightpath Flightpath (Miramar) Jonn Serrie Sky Safari Flightpath (Miramar) Jonn Serrie Muroc Flightpath (Miramar) Jonn Serrie Outreach Flightpath (Miramar) Jonn Serrie Deep Starship Flightpath (Miramar) Jonn Serrie Glyder Flightpath (Miramar) Spacecraft Thread of Continuity Earthtime Tapestry (Lektronic Soundscapes) Spacecraft Homage to Gaia Earthtime Tapestry (Lektronic Soundscapes) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Brannan Lane. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Soundfall to the Infinite" by Zero Ohms and Brannan Lane on the Space for Music label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Irrlicht" by Klaus Schulze on the Ohr label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 27 12:56:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13353; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:55:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:55:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <031001c2add0$eeeff020$aee35cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Monthly Top 20 Report for December, 2002 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:53:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <2HUkk.A.jQD.YQJD-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 report to New Age Voice for December, 2002. Shows #298 to #301; 5-December-2002 to 26-December-2002 Reported in non-ranked order. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net CONTACT: billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ============================ Andy Pickford and Paul Nagle - Ramayana - Neu Harmony Glenn Adams - Galactic Anthems - Galactic Anthems Jonn Serrie - And the Stars Go With You - New World Music Jonn Serrie - Flightpath - Miramar Jonn Serrie - Planetary Chronicles Volume 1 - Miramar Jonn Serrie - Planetary Chronicles Volume 2 - Miramar Max van Richter - Resurrection - Neu Harmony Otarion Select - Creator - Neu Harmony Redshift - Halo - Distant Sun Redshift - Siren - Distant Sun Rudy Adrian and Ron Boots - Across the Silver Sky - Groove Skin Mechanix - The Secret Life of Angels - InfectionMusic Steve Roach - All Is Now - Timeroom Steve Roach - Darkest Before Dawn - Timeroom Steve Roach - Day Out of Time - Timeroom The Glimmer Room - Tomorrow's Tuesday - Neu Harmony Thought Guild - [context] - HRR Tranzit - Tranz-Rapid - Groove Under the Dome - Bellerophon - Neu Harmony Wayne Lyttle - Animusic - Animusic Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 28 11:07:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30856; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:06:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:06:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List $E-mail$" Subject: very OT: MMCing a Fostex VR-800 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:08:06 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c2ae8b$4fa7f650$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers, first, excuse me for this very OTish message: LD is the only newsgroup I'm subscribed to (in fact: the only place where I know I can find knowledgeable people in all things music & electronics), and I need an answer quick (best would be tomorrow evening, but the latest next saturday (1-4)...thank you for your patience! I got a recording setup consisting of a Behringer DDX3216 console, two Fostex VR-800 harddisk recorders and a Fostex VC-8 interface (just mentioned for completeness). The Behringer manual tells me it sends MMC and MTC (in a quite vague way), the VR-880's manual tells me they can both send an receive these signals. So what I understand is I can press the "Record" button on the Behringer, and both Fostexes will go into Record simultaneously? What I did: setting the Behringer to Framerate 25, Transmit Midi Transport, Device 7F Vr-880 (1): Slave on, Slave Mode Vari, Clock Output MTC Vr-880 (2): Slave on, Slave Mode Vari, no Clock output MIDI runs Behringer Out->VR-880 (1) in, VR-880(1) Out-> VR-880 (2)->In. What happens is...nothing. Or more specifically: the "Slave" indicator in both Fostex's displays keep flashing. Same happens if I take the Behringer out of the setup, set VR-880 (1) to Slave off, Clock Output MTC or CLK. And same happens if I swap Fostex (1) and (2). The audio cabling seems to bee correct (both Fostex's show a steadily lit "Digital" indicator). Am I doing something wrong, or do I fail to understand the details of MTC/MMC/whatever? Is there any hidden function/setup item in the Fostexes I should be aware of? Second, is there any problem involved if I don't get it to work and just decide to hit "Record" on both Fostexes almost at once? Any hints, be it regarding the specific gear/setup or the use of MTC/MMC in common, are appreciated! Thanks, Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 28 20:55:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03725; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:54:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:54:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c2aedd$35e9b7b0$d841ddcb@PODAMUS> From: "Ashley Farlow" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 11:54:21 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C2AF31.06753C80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C2AF31.06753C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C2AF31.06753C80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C2AF31.06753C80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 28 21:03:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05459; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:02:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:02:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <13.16139aa6.2b3fb19d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:02:05 EST Subject: Loop Music Goes to Siberia . . . To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id VAA05438 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there everybody, I think I got one of the downright strangest e-mails I've ever gotten in regards to my little CD "Flux Aeterna" this afternoon. It was forwarded to me by pfMentum label owner (and pal), Jeff Kaiser. It comes from Serge Tikhanoff of Radio Penguin, Novosibirsk, Siberia, Russia. > Thank You so much for perfectly brilliant CD!!! > Splendid work - incredibly powerful impression! > We were glad and proud touch creation of Ted Killian, > touch such extremely interesting music. > It was invaluable discovery for us. > Much friendly love from Siberia. > Serge Tikhanoff > Radio Penguin Short but sweet. Of all the places that I may have ever thought the LEAST likely to ever play my music, I think this has to take the prize! Nice way to close out 2002 though. I guess they like strange guitary "loop music" in Siberia too! Hideeho! Maybe I should inquire about doing a tour. Heheheh. Cheers, tEd � kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 28 21:07:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05937; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:06:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:06:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E0DA1EC.64E52BC3@cstone.net> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:06:52 +0800 From: John Hunter X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: Mint Boomerang Phrase Sampler-Upgraded version Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Folks, Mint, 4Mb upgrade with added features Boomerang Looper, Layer-upon-layer, half-speed, reverse, one-shot, gain control, all by foot. Sturdy metal casing. $265. Ta, John Hunter Black Lotus Sound From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 01:12:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20684; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 01:11:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 01:11:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E0E9164.8010806@minds-eye.org> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:08:36 -0800 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loop Subject: Kurzweil expressionmate midi controller Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think there was some talk about these a while back so I thought some of you might be interested to know that Musician's Friend is selling them for $170. This the Midi ribbon/controller, 3 channel, 2 pedal input, breath controller input, etc. I can't find it on the website but its in a mailer I just received so give them a call if you want it I guess (item# 701651T) Kevin -- Wonderful! Wonderful! The sermon of the inanimate is inconceivable If you try to hear it with your ears You'll hardly understand Only when you hear it in your eyes Will you be able to know. Sound and Vision -- http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 01:32:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA21795; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 01:28:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 01:28:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E0E958A.9050600@minds-eye.org> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:26:18 -0800 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loop Subject: strange question/Japanese gear Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have an odd question. Does anyone know what sort of power conversion problems there might be between gear sold in Japan that will be used in the United States? Is it feasible to buy a used bit of gear from Japan and expect to plug it in and go fine in here? I don't really know much about how electricity is regulated/distributed around the world. Stupid question or legitimate ask? You decide. Thanks Kevin -- Wonderful! Wonderful! The sermon of the inanimate is inconceivable If you try to hear it with your ears You'll hardly understand Only when you hear it in your eyes Will you be able to know. Sound and Vision -- http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 03:28:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA30077; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 03:16:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 03:16:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021229081614.77183.qmail@web14504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:16:14 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?m=20g?= Subject: Re: strange question/Japanese gear To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3E0E958A.9050600@minds-eye.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stupid > question or legitimate ask? You decide. > ,,,,,legitimate,,,when I bought(lots of years ago) a multifx in Usa and taken here in Italy(europe) didn't work, also with current converter, so I had to buy adaptor specific for the model. I think tht in japan should be the same as italy(so different from Usa), but if u find can buy an adaptor; I guess it's better because there different signal between the different type of alimentation. WHY THERE IS NOT THE SAME TYPE FOR ALL THE WORLD?!? mrco5150 ps: a suggestion, take the gear to your electronic-city-expert before try the experiment at home(,,my past experience of electronic damage!!!) ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Cellulari: scarica i loghi e le suonerie per le tue feste! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://it.mobile.yahoo.com/index2002.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 06:26:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA11183; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:25:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:25:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c2af2c$a30300a0$7862f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200212290612.BAA20937@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Let's LOOP LIBERATE SIBERIA Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 03:22:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: <6Jqg-D.A.puC.eutD-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I read Ted Killians charming tale of the Siberian DJ who loved his CD (I do too, by the way!!!) and I had this funny thought: Just for the hey of it, Let's LOOP LIBERATE SIBERIA and help turn this adventuresome and supportive DJ into the hippest thing north of Moscow. Ted, if you are into it, why don't you post this guys' mailing address and let's all send him our CDs. I have some cool press that I've accrued about the international looping movement and can send that to him too, to let him know what our community is about and enlist his aid in getting the music out to the people of Siberia. You know the cosmopolitan centers of the world always get the cutting edge stuff first in this world. Why don't we do our part to get the stuff out to places that it would normally take a few years to get to. I'll bet he'd dig the hell out of it. Who knows: The FIRST SIBERIAN LOOPING FESTIVAL in 2006? I'd go! Happy New Year gang!!!! I've really enjoyed being part of this wonderful loopy community and thank you all for all of your contributions.....especially our ubermeister and 'non' moderator, Kim Flint. Entirely because of this community I have a lucrative looping gig for New Year's Eve, a fantastic short tour with loopers Andre LaFosse, Steve Lawson (and Michael Manring and my brother Bill Walker) in January and have already booked tentative dates in 12 countries in Europe and the British Isles for this coming summer. It will be my first ever solo tour (after having accompanied dozens of artists for the last twenty years) and I truly owe it to the contacts I've made on this community. I feel like the luckiest guy alive. Thanks everyone for that, yours, warmly and appreciatively, Rick Walker (Loop.pooL) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 06:45:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA12036; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:44:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:44:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005401c2af30$354c9ea0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <200212290612.BAA20937@hemlock.violacea.com> <001b01c2af2c$a30300a0$7862f93f@global> Subject: Re: Let's LOOP LIBERATE SIBERIA Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 11:47:20 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 11:22:AM Subject: Let's LOOP LIBERATE SIBERIA > > I read Ted Killians charming tale of the Siberian DJ who > loved his CD (I do too, by the way!!!) > and I had this funny thought: > > Just for the hey of it, Let's LOOP LIBERATE SIBERIA > and help turn this adventuresome and supportive DJ into > the hippest thing north of Moscow. > > Ted, if you are into it, why don't you post this guys' > mailing address and let's all send him our CDs. > > I have some cool press that I've accrued about the international > looping movement and can send that to him too, to let him know > what our community is about and enlist his aid in getting the music > out to the people of Siberia. > > You know the cosmopolitan centers of the world always get the cutting > edge stuff first in this world. Why don't we do our part to get > the stuff out to places that it would normally take a few years to get to. > > I'll bet he'd dig the hell out of it. > > Who knows: The FIRST SIBERIAN LOOPING FESTIVAL in 2006? > > I'd go! While I'm continually broker than a dog without pockets, and couldn't possibly go to quite a lot of places not reachable by train or tube right now, I have to punch in on the Russian situation. They seem to like ambient and electronic music QUITE A LOT, though perhaps not as much as Metal, by some reports... One of the first regular downloaders of the Loop of the Week was in St. Petersburg, who until just a few years ago, was sending Christmas greetings as well. One wonders where Alexei is now. Probably the US, where intelligent job-seekers look! S.P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 08:16:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17189; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 08:15:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 08:15:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c2af38$ff830080$8f41fe91@laptop> From: "Leander Reininghaus" To: References: Subject: Re: line mixers in looping rigs Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:51:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01C2AF41.5B5AAF40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C2AF41.5B5AAF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable adam wrote: .... i mainly interested in 1U rack space units since my anvil rack = space is limited... well, the music industry hasn't much to offer as in 1u rack mixers = with a lot of channels and - even more important - *aux* lines ... two units you may find used, because they're out of production ( .... = why ?! ):=20 Rocktron line mixer ( 12ch / 4 aux ) Passac line mixer ( 8ch / 2 aux ) - ( the one Torn used on the = "Painting with Guitar" video ... ) you may also check out the website of "Nobel's" ... they offer a bunch = of tricky boxes for almost every kind of connection. once they also had a liner mixer, but I don't know if they still make = it. if you find out about some thing that's still on the market, I'd be = happy to hear about it, either cheers Leander ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C2AF41.5B5AAF40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
adam=20 wrote:

.... i mainly interested in 1U rack = space=20 units since my anvil rack space is limited...

well, the music = industry hasn't=20 much to offer as in 1u rack mixers with a lot of channels and - = even more=20 important - *aux* lines ...

two units you may = find used,=20 because they're out of production ( .... why ?! ):

Rocktron line mixer ( = 12ch / 4 aux=20 )

Passac line mixer ( = 8ch / 2 aux ) -=20 ( the one Torn used on the "Painting with Guitar" video ... = )

you may also check = out the website=20 of "Nobel's" ... they offer a bunch of tricky boxes for almost every = kind of=20 connection.

once they also had a = liner mixer,=20 but I don't know if they still make it.

if you find out about = some thing=20 that's still on the market, I'd be happy to hear about it, = either

cheers

Leander
------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C2AF41.5B5AAF40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 08:41:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA18255; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 08:41:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 08:41:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: <147.6579009.2b40555a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 08:40:42 EST Subject: Re: line mixers in looping rigs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_147.6579009.2b40555a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 8.0 for Windows US sub 230 Resent-Message-ID: <6SNYB.A.JdE.9tvD-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_147.6579009.2b40555a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: Behringer Ultralink Pro MX882 - audioMIDI.com --part1_147.6579009.2b40555a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: Behringer Ultralink Pro MX882 - audioMIDI.com --part1_147.6579009.2b40555a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 10:03:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23810; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 10:00:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 10:00:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021229145955.36958.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:59:55 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Loop Music Goes to Siberia . . . To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <13.16139aa6.2b3fb19d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <7rnIFC.A.8zF.K4wD-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why am I picturing that old ELP video where they're playing in an empty stadium in the winter wearing fur-lined parkas? 8^) -t- --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > I guess they like strange guitary "loop music" in > Siberia > too! Hideeho! Maybe I should inquire about doing a > tour. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 10:06:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24099; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 10:04:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 10:04:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005d01c2af48$2b244aa0$8f41fe91@laptop> From: "Leander Reininghaus" To: References: <000601c2ad99$b7b6fea0$0601a8c0@SATAN> Subject: Re: hum on audio lines (strangness indeed) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:38:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0053_01C2AF50.601F3E60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <6E4kIC.A.d4F.27wD-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C2AF50.601F3E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable trying to find the needle in a heystack ... here's some more advice to = avoid hum in racks ( besides what's already been said ): - find out which of your rack units causes the hum ( ... it sometimes = helps to put it in another place inside the rack, because of the = position of the transformers inside the units ... ) - insulate the rack units chassis from each other and from the rackrail = they're connected to ( by using tape to keep the front plates apart from = each other, and "humfrees" or plastic rings for the screws ) - keep wallwarts inside the rack as far away from each other as = possible, as well as from the transformers of non-wallwart units and = from line cables=20 - the whole rack, together with the other gear u're using, needs only = one ground connection / should have only one and the same mains = connection ( if u're rich, use a power conditioner ... i.e. Furman et. = al. ) - when using a mixer and it's aux lines this may cause a doubling of = ground connections ( "humloops" ) ... if so, u need special patch cords = with the ground/shield disconnected ( the equipment inside ur rack maybe = seen/connected as ONE unit ) - but better talk to a pro before u start = disconnecting grounds, always keep in mind that u need ONE GROUND = CONNECTION TO BE SAFE ! ! I will not take any responsibitity if u make a = mistake and grill either urself or ur equipment ! - u may also use special transformers which separtate the ground ( in a = way almost like a DI box ) for each of ur rack units.=20 this is the best solution, but expensive ...=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C2AF50.601F3E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
trying to find the = needle in a=20 heystack ... here's some more advice to avoid hum in racks ( = besides what's=20 already been said ):

- find out which of = your rack units=20 causes the hum ( ... it sometimes helps to put it in another place = inside the=20 rack, because of the position of the transformers inside the units ...=20 )

- insulate the rack = units chassis=20 from each other and from the rackrail they're connected to ( by using = tape to=20 keep the front plates apart from each other, and "humfrees" or plastic = rings for=20 the screws )

- keep wallwarts inside = the rack as=20 far away from each other as possible, as well as from the transformers=20 of non-wallwart units and from line cables

- the whole rack, = together with the=20 other gear u're using, needs only one ground connection / should have = only one=20 and the same mains connection=20 ( if u're rich, use a power conditioner ... i.e. Furman et. al.=20 )

- when using a mixer = and it's aux=20 lines this may cause a doubling of ground connections ( "humloops" = ) ... if=20 so, u need special patch cords with the ground/shield disconnected ( the = equipment inside ur rack maybe seen/connected as ONE unit ) - but better = talk to=20 a pro before u start disconnecting grounds, always keep in mind that u = need ONE=20 GROUND CONNECTION TO BE SAFE ! ! I will not take any responsibitity if u = make a=20 mistake and grill either urself or ur equipment !

- u may also use = special transformers=20 which separtate the ground ( in a way almost like a DI box ) for each of = ur rack=20 units.

this is the best = solution, but=20 expensive ...
------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C2AF50.601F3E60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 12:09:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01012; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:08:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:08:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <3d.29bf458f.2b4085e7@aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:07:51 EST Subject: Re: Loop Music Goes to Siberia . . . To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com
funny how things change.....once a place of punishment now a font of progressive music.....most cool ted!.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 12:13:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01626; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:12:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:12:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Mistsojorn@aol.com Message-ID: <1a8.e6d5215.2b4086f9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:12:25 EST Subject: Philadelphia promo:Boyz Gone Wyld 1/3 To: tumorlist@malignantrecords.com CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, twilightml@yahoogroups.com, modul-8@yahoogroups.com, ElectronicMusic@yahoogroups.com, sacrednoise@yahoogroups.com, spacemusic@yahoogroups.com, the_ambient_way@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a8.e6d5215.2b4086f9_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL For Mac OS X sub 16 Resent-Message-ID: <7jGjjC.A.SZ.Z0yD-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1a8.e6d5215.2b4086f9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry for the plug. If you are in/close to Philly, make sure to include this= =20 in your post-New Years plans :) 215noise and The Foundation present=20 The Cleveland Connect Boyz Gone Wyld Winter Tour 2002-2003 10 bands, 30 minutes each.=20 Friday, January 3rd. The Rotunda: 4012 Walnut St., Philadelphia, PA. All Ages. Free admission. 9p= m 215-573-3234 http://www.foundationarts.org flyer available at 215noise.com Scheduled to perform: *=A0 =A0 Hearts of Darkness (Schematic/Zod Records)- Screamy Post-Punk IDM *=A0 =A0 Girl Talk (Illegal arts/SSS)- Top 40 plunderphonics *=A0 =A0 LA Nights AKA Andriu- (Best Friends Records)-Electronic anthems for= the=20 masses *=A0 =A0 Dysis-(Nobodyunderthesun)-2 step Ragga/Jungle *=A0 =A0 So Red-(Nobodyunderthesun)-IDM shredder *=A0 =A0 DEV 79-(Sonicterror/Seclusiasis)- Ill stepping noise hop *=A0 =A0 Duran Duran Duran-(Irritant/A.I.M. Records)- Cut-up spazzbreaks *=A0 =A0 Nodalterror-(215noise)-Hypermashed futurecore *=A0 =A0 Zenas_Prime-(Zenapolae)-Glitchy texture experiments *=A0 =A0 Panzer Division-(Dark Black Music)-Rythmic Noise The Cleveland Connect Boyz Gone Wyld Winter Tour 2002-2003 10 bands, 30 minutes each.=20 Friday, January 3rd. --part1_1a8.e6d5215.2b4086f9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry for= the plug. If you are in/close to Philly, make sure to include this in your=20= post-New Years plans :)

215noise and The Foundation present <= BR> The Cleveland Connect Boyz Gone Wyld Winter Tour 2002-2003
10 bands, 30 minutes each.
Friday, January 3rd.
The Rotunda: 4012 Walnut St., Philadelphia, PA. All Ages. Free admission. 9p= m
215-573-3234
http://www.foundationarts.org
flyer available at 215noise.com

Scheduled to perform:
*=A0 =A0 Hearts of Darkness (Schematic/Zod Records)- Screamy Post-Punk IDM
*=A0 =A0 Girl Talk (Illegal arts/SSS)- Top 40 plunderphonics

*=A0 =A0 LA Nights AKA Andriu- (Best Friends Records)-Electronic anthems for= the masses

*=A0 =A0 Dysis-(Nobodyunderthesun)-2 step Ragga/Jungle

*=A0 =A0 So Red-(Nobodyunderthesun)-IDM shredder

*=A0 =A0 DEV 79-(Sonicterror/Seclusiasis)- Ill stepping noise hop

*=A0 =A0 Duran Duran Duran-(Irritant/A.I.M. Records)- Cut-up spazzbreaks

*=A0 =A0 Nodalterror-(215noise)-Hypermashed futurecore

*=A0 =A0 Zenas_Prime-(Zenapolae)-Glitchy texture experiments

*=A0 =A0 Panzer Division-(Dark Black Music)-Rythmic Noise

The Cleveland Connect Boyz Gone Wyld Winter Tour 2002-2003
10 bands, 30 minutes each.
Friday, January 3rd.

--part1_1a8.e6d5215.2b4086f9_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 12:18:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02139; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:18:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:18:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <189.135b6007.2b408840@aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:17:52 EST Subject: Re: Let's LOOP LIBERATE SIBERIA To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA02113 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick (and all you other would -be revolutionaries), Why the heck not? Here it is: Serge Tikhanoff, c/o Radio Penguin P.O. Box 29 Novosibirsk 630005 RUSSIA I think it's a grand idea. In a message dated 12/29/02 3:25:43 AM, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: >Just for the hey of it, Let's LOOP LIBERATE SIBERIA >and help turn this adventuresome and supportive DJ >into the hippest thing north of Moscow. > >Ted, if you are into it, why don't you post this guys' >mailing address and let's all send him our CDs. > >I have some cool press that I've accrued about the >international looping movement and can send that to >him too, to let him know what our community is about >and enlist his aid in getting the music out to the people >of Siberia. > >You know the cosmopolitan centers of the world always >get the cutting edge stuff first in this world. Why don't >we do our part to get the stuff out to places that it >would normally take a few years to get to. Long loop the revolution! tEd � kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 12:50:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04782; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:50:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:50:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E0F353F.5020400@minds-eye.org> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:47:43 -0800 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loop Subject: RE: Kurzweil Expressionmate Midi Controller References: <67.5cf8109.2b408a8b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just noticed that it says to call 800 776-5173 and mention priority code 212T on this flyer. Maybe this is the only way to nab one, I don't know. Kevin -- Wonderful! Wonderful! The sermon of the inanimate is inconceivable If you try to hear it with your ears You'll hardly understand Only when you hear it in your eyes Will you be able to know. Sound and Vision -- http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 13:20:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08005; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:18:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:18:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 10:04:32 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: strange question/Japanese gear In-reply-to: <3E0E958A.9050600@minds-eye.org> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3E0E958A.9050600@minds-eye.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:26 PM -0800 12/28/02, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: >Does anyone know what sort of power conversion problems there might >be between gear sold in Japan that will be used in the United States? Japan uses 100V rather than 110V, so it might be prudent to put a resistor in the power line. I bought a gray-market Yamaha CX5 a few years ago, and it came with an extension cord with a resistor splice in. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 13:22:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08028; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:18:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:18:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 10:12:40 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Let's LOOP LIBERATE SIBERIA In-reply-to: <001b01c2af2c$a30300a0$7862f93f@global> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200212290612.BAA20937@hemlock.violacea.com> <001b01c2af2c$a30300a0$7862f93f@global> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:22 AM -0800 12/29/02, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: >Let's LOOP LIBERATE SIBERIA >and help turn this adventuresome and supportive DJ into >the hippest thing north of Moscow. East, actually. http://www.friends-partners.org/oldfriends/siberia/pict/siberia.gif ftp://ftp.cs.toronto.edu/%2Fcs/ftp/pub/mes/gifs/siberia.gif >You know the cosmopolitan centers of the world always get the cutting >edge stuff first in this world. Why don't we do our part to get >the stuff out to places that it would normally take a few years to get to. Great idea! There's at least one Internet radio station in Antarctica, too. Both times I listened they were playing blues. >Who knows: The FIRST SIBERIAN LOOPING FESTIVAL in 2006? > >I'd go! I've always wanted to go to Tierra Del Fuego. Any loopers there? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 13:22:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08053; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:18:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:18:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 10:19:02 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Let's LOOP LIBERATE SIBERIA In-reply-to: <005401c2af30$354c9ea0$0201a8c0@eluk> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200212290612.BAA20937@hemlock.violacea.com> <001b01c2af2c$a30300a0$7862f93f@global> <005401c2af30$354c9ea0$0201a8c0@eluk> Resent-Message-ID: <5Z9oRB.A.v9B.HyzD-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:47 AM +0000 12/29/02, S.P. Goodman wrote: >One of the first regular downloaders of the Loop of the Week was in >St. Petersburg, who until just a few years ago, was sending >Christmas greetings as well. Next summer St Pete will host the Electroshock Festival of electronic music. And here's an item from Prava on-line: http://english.pravda.ru/culture/2002/05/08/28444.html -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 13:46:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09472; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:42:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:42:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 10:23:22 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Let's LOOP LIBERATE SIBERIA In-reply-to: <189.135b6007.2b408840@aol.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <189.135b6007.2b408840@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:17 PM -0500 12/29/02, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: >Serge Tikhanoff, >c/o Radio Penguin >P.O. Box 29 >Novosibirsk 630005 >RUSSIA How about e-mail? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 13:46:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09517; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:43:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:43:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c2af61$4f60fd00$0100a8c0@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <3d.29bf458f.2b4085e7@aol.com> Subject: Re: Loop Music Goes to Siberia . . . Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 18:39:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Some times looping is also a punishment.... Claude >
funny how things change.....once a place of punishment now a font of > progressive music.....most cool ted!.....michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 15:51:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18810; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:48:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:48:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <8a.21e6b577.2b40b97a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:47:54 EST Subject: Re: Let's LOOP LIBERATE SIBERIA To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA18789 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doctor Z., Okay, Mr. Tikhanoff's e-mail address is: serge@gallery.nsc.ru Just don't get him inadvertently enrolled on any spam lists. In a message dated 12/29/02 10:43:29 AM, zvonar@zvonar.com writes: >>Serge Tikhanoff, >>c/o Radio Penguin >>P.O. Box 29 >>Novosibirsk 630005 >>RUSSIA > >How about e-mail? Cheers, tEd � kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 18:39:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00958; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 18:38:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 18:38:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c2af93$5fc207c0$df06a044@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <200212290612.BAA20937@hemlock.violacea.com> <001b01c2af2c$a30300a0$7862f93f@global> Subject: Re: Let's LOOP LIBERATE SIBERIA Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 18:38:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at out003.verizon.net from [68.160.6.223] at Sun, 29 Dec 2002 17:37:47 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Count me in. I love loopy ideas, and sending music to Siberia is cool! (ouch!!) Actually, I have had good luck with a few college stations in Alaska, so maybe in 2007 we can do launch a "Loop Around The World" festival -- spanning all the 24 timezones from Siberia to Alaska. Until that date, let's start by send something to: Serge Tikhanoff, c/o Radio Penguin P.O. Box 29 Novosibirsk 630005 RUSSIA From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 19:02:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03665; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 19:00:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 19:00:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 18:50:39 -0500 From: Sempai Subject: Re: Philadelphia promo:Boyz Gone Wyld 1/3 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004a01c2af96$5b3f3760$fe762544@user0jd9dje1rf> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_lVWX35ycRCfVUyExu7rAsA)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <1a8.e6d5215.2b4086f9@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_lVWX35ycRCfVUyExu7rAsA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Went to Penn. I should be able to find it!! Sempai ----- Original Message ----- From: Mistsojorn@aol.com To: tumorlist@malignantrecords.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com ; twilightml@yahoogroups.com ; modul-8@yahoogroups.com ; ElectronicMusic@yahoogroups.com ; sacrednoise@yahoogroups.com ; spacemusic@yahoogroups.com ; the_ambient_way@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 12:12 PM Subject: Philadelphia promo:Boyz Gone Wyld 1/3 Sorry for the plug. If you are in/close to Philly, make sure to include this in your post-New Years plans :) 215noise and The Foundation present The Cleveland Connect Boyz Gone Wyld Winter Tour 2002-2003 10 bands, 30 minutes each. Friday, January 3rd. The Rotunda: 4012 Walnut St., Philadelphia, PA. All Ages. Free admission. 9pm 215-573-3234 http://www.foundationarts.org flyer available at 215noise.com Scheduled to perform: * Hearts of Darkness (Schematic/Zod Records)- Screamy Post-Punk IDM * Girl Talk (Illegal arts/SSS)- Top 40 plunderphonics * LA Nights AKA Andriu- (Best Friends Records)-Electronic anthems for the masses * Dysis-(Nobodyunderthesun)-2 step Ragga/Jungle * So Red-(Nobodyunderthesun)-IDM shredder * DEV 79-(Sonicterror/Seclusiasis)- Ill stepping noise hop * Duran Duran Duran-(Irritant/A.I.M. Records)- Cut-up spazzbreaks * Nodalterror-(215noise)-Hypermashed futurecore * Zenas_Prime-(Zenapolae)-Glitchy texture experiments * Panzer Division-(Dark Black Music)-Rythmic Noise The Cleveland Connect Boyz Gone Wyld Winter Tour 2002-2003 10 bands, 30 minutes each. Friday, January 3rd. --Boundary_(ID_lVWX35ycRCfVUyExu7rAsA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Went to Penn. I should be able to find it!!

Sempai

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Subject: Philadelphia promo:Boyz Gone Wyld 1/3

Sorry for the plug. If you are in/close to Philly, make sure to include this in your post-New Years plans :)

215noise and The Foundation present
The Cleveland Connect Boyz Gone Wyld Winter Tour 2002-2003
10 bands, 30 minutes each.
Friday, January 3rd.
The Rotunda: 4012 Walnut St., Philadelphia, PA. All Ages. Free admission. 9pm
215-573-3234
http://www.foundationarts.org
flyer available at 215noise.com

Scheduled to perform:
* Hearts of Darkness (Schematic/Zod Records)- Screamy Post-Punk IDM

* Girl Talk (Illegal arts/SSS)- Top 40 plunderphonics

* LA Nights AKA Andriu- (Best Friends Records)-Electronic anthems for the masses

* Dysis-(Nobodyunderthesun)-2 step Ragga/Jungle

* So Red-(Nobodyunderthesun)-IDM shredder

* DEV 79-(Sonicterror/Seclusiasis)- Ill stepping noise hop

* Duran Duran Duran-(Irritant/A.I.M. Records)- Cut-up spazzbreaks

* Nodalterror-(215noise)-Hypermashed futurecore

* Zenas_Prime-(Zenapolae)-Glitchy texture experiments

* Panzer Division-(Dark Black Music)-Rythmic Noise

The Cleveland Connect Boyz Gone Wyld Winter Tour 2002-2003
10 bands, 30 minutes each.
Friday, January 3rd.

--Boundary_(ID_lVWX35ycRCfVUyExu7rAsA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 29 23:02:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22315; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:00:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:00:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:04:04 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Let's LOOP LIBERATE SIBERIA In-reply-to: <000e01c2af93$5fc207c0$df06a044@hppav> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200212290612.BAA20937@hemlock.violacea.com> <001b01c2af2c$a30300a0$7862f93f@global> <000e01c2af93$5fc207c0$df06a044@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:38 PM -0500 12/29/02, David wrote: >maybe in 2007 we can do launch a "Loop Around The World" festival -- >spanning all the 24 timezones from Siberia to Alaska. Electronic Cafe International in Santa Monica has done a number of New Year "Telebrations" in which live connections were made with various groups around the world. This was a more personal version of the pseudo-millenial celebrations during the 1999->2000 New Year. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 01:26:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01484; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 01:24:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 01:24:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:09:49 -0800 From: Daryl Subject: [looper's] production fretless guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3E0FE32D.7E05D069@mhorse.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021211170129.00a8df80@mail.pdfsystems.com> <3DF7BDD4.BB407D8E@mhorse.com> <005e01c2a16a$ca494540$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi, thought this might be of interest to David Beardsley and anyone else playing microtonal music and/or fretless guitars. I was at Guitar Center (yuk) the other day and saw a Godin 12-string classical fretless! The only time I've even heard of someone playing an instrument like this is Pat Metheny, who used a custom one on his live record from a year or two ago. It sounds pretty bizarre...I didn't get to play it, but I was imagining the fun someone could have who's had experience playing fretless. it's also got a plain finish fingerboard, unmarked except for the edge; someone with a lot of patience could construct a whole lot of mictrotonal scales and mark 'em out with chalk or a grease pencil. It's obviously begging to be used by people making unusual music...I'd love to hear someone have some looping fun with it. Here's the manufacturer's link. http://www.godinguitars.com/godinmultnylonfretlessp.htm Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 01:40:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02273; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 01:36:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 01:36:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:27:07 -0800 From: Daryl Subject: Re: [looper's] production fretless guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3E0FE73B.A763B2B5@mhorse.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=------------B53BDF67CF9676786CB39529 X-Accept-Language: en References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021211170129.00a8df80@mail.pdfsystems.com> <3DF7BDD4.BB407D8E@mhorse.com> <005e01c2a16a$ca494540$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> <3E0FE32D.7E05D069@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------B53BDF67CF9676786CB39529 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit oops, realized I pasted the link to a 6 string fretless. They have two production fretless classical guitars! Here's the 12-string, actually 11-string, version that I saw. They call it the "Glissentar". http://www.godinguitars.com/godinglissentarp.htm Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com --------------B53BDF67CF9676786CB39529 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
oops, realized I pasted the link to a 6 string fretless. They have two production fretless classical guitars! Here's the 12-string, actually 11-string, version that I saw. They call it the "Glissentar".
http://www.godinguitars.com/godinglissentarp.htm
Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com
--------------B53BDF67CF9676786CB39529-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 03:39:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA10550; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 03:36:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 03:36:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.171.0.230] User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 02:33:53 -0600 Subject: Touring looper From: Stendek To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2002 08:36:10.0384 (UTC) FILETIME=[81215100:01C2AFDE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings fellow loopers! My name is Stendek. I am a loop artist from St Louis, MO USA, and I am currently trying to find other loop artists who want to trade shows with me. I have recently traded shows with Guitarist Denis Taaffe and it was awesome. I am looking for gigs anywhere in the US and Canada. Anything would be great. Money guarantees are not necessary. To find out more about me, I have a website at: http://www.stendek.info/ As far as what I have to offer gig-wise, I can't make a money guarantee, but I can guarantee a free meal, and a place to crash. The venue I play at most frequently is a coffeehouse/art lounge called the Atomic Cowboy and it has a great vibe. The owner loves interesting music and he is really cool. Anyone interested in trading shows please contact me at: larryloopstation@hotmail.com Thanks, Stendek From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 07:33:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24072; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 07:29:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 07:29:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 07:29:15 EST Subject: Re: [looper's] production fretless guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="part1_fd.219865a9.2b41961b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 8.0 for Windows US sub 230 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_fd.219865a9.2b41961b_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="fd.219865a9_alt_bound" --fd.219865a9_alt_bound Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi, thought this might be of interest to David Beardsley and anyone else=20 playing microtonal music and/or fretless guitars.=A0 I was at Guitar Center (yuk) th= e other day and saw a Godin 12-string classical fretless!=A0 The only time I'v= e=20 even heard of someone playing an instrument like this is Pat Metheny, who used a custom one on his live record from a year or two ago.=A0 It sounds pretty bizarre...I didn't get to play it, but I was imagining the fun someone could have who's had experience playing fretless.=A0 it's also got a plain finish fingerboard, unmarked except for the edge; someone with a lot of patience=20 could construct a whole lot of mictrotonal scales and mark 'em out with chalk or a grease pencil. It's obviously begging to be used by people making unusual music...I'd love=20 to hear someone have some looping fun with it. Here's the manufacturer's link. http://www.godinguitars.com/godinmultnylonfretlessp.htm Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com Daryl, The guitar you're speaking of is a Godin "Glissentar"....It is actually an 1= 1=20 string nylon fretless guitar. Robert Godin came up with the concept to=20 create a sound similar to an Oud, but tuned, set up and with a feel like a=20 guitar. strings 1-5 (actually 2-10) are pairs of strings tuned in=20 unison.....the 11 th string or bass string is a single string. I believe=20 Godin went this route to avoid buzzing on the bass string. Custom string=20 sets are available for the instrument as well. As a Godin endorsee, I acquired one of the first from the production line an= d=20 can tell you it is a fun and unique instrument. I used it on my current CD=20 release "Canciones del alma" (Songs from the Soul) Wannadu by Wayne Wesley=20 Johnson (New! available this week online through CDBaby, CDStreet and=20 Guitar9 at http://wannadu.com) or, order= ed direct at the Wannadu, LLC address=20 shown below ) ...I chose to use it on a track to get a somewhat "haunting"=20 sound on a tune I wrote called "Sambaleo".....Played in the lower registers=20 provided a really interesting tonality in the recording. =20 When the instrument was first released a few years ago.....I used it in a=20 live situation, when I performed in NYC with a "ska" group called "two and a= =20 half white guys!" Click here: CD Review - Two and a Half White Guys= - Two=20 and a Half White Guys - longislandmusicscene.com The band asked if I w= ould=20 sit in with them on a gig one night, So, I brought it along. Since the ban= d=20 was well equipped with guitarists, I thought it would be interesting to add=20= a=20 different "sound" to the group. It worked out nicely. It is a nice "tool" to have in the tool box. Could be a powerful addition t= o=20 a "loopers" arsenal. =20 Click here: God= in Glissentar=20 Best Regards,=20 [Unable to display image] Wayne Wesley Johnson Click here: Wannadu Music--Jazz, Flamenco,= and Guitar Music and Production=20 [Unable to display image] Wannadu, LLC 7 Avenida Vista Grande #-260 Santa Fe, NM 87508 phone: 505.466.8700 fax: 505.466.8702 email: Wjguitar@aol.com or WannaduLLC@aol.com website: http://wannadu.com =20 --fd.219865a9_alt_bound Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi, thought this might be of interest to David= Beardsley and anyone else playing
microtonal music and/or fretless guitars.=A0 I was at Guitar Center (yuk) th= e
other day and saw a Godin 12-string classical fretless!=A0 The only time I'v= e even
heard of someone playing an instrument like this is Pat Metheny, who used a<= BR> custom one on his live record from a year or two ago.=A0 It sounds pretty bizarre...I didn't get to play it, but I was imagining the fun someone could=
have who's had experience playing fretless.=A0 it's also got a plain finish<= BR> fingerboard, unmarked except for the edge; someone with a lot of patience co= uld
construct a whole lot of mictrotonal scales and mark 'em out with chalk or a=
grease pencil.

It's obviously begging to be used by people making unusual music...I'd love=20= to
hear someone have some looping fun with it.

Here's the manufacturer's link.

http://www.godinguitars.com/godinmultnylonfretlessp.htm

Daryl Shawn
highhorse@mhorse.com
Daryl,

The guitar you're speaking of is a Godin "Glissentar"....It is actually an 1= 1 string nylon fretless guitar. Robert Godin came up with the concept=20= to create a sound similar to an Oud, but tuned, set up and with a feel like=20= a guitar. strings 1-5 (actually 2-10) are pairs of strings tuned in un= ison.....the 11 th string or bass string is a single string. I believe= Godin went this route to avoid buzzing on the bass string. Custom str= ing sets are available for the instrument as well.

As a Godin endorsee, I acquired one of the first from the production line an= d can tell you it is a fun and unique instrument. I used it on my curr= ent CD release "Canciones del alma" (Songs from the Soul) Wannadu&nbs= p; by Wayne Wesley Johnson (New! available this week online through CDBaby,=20= CDStreet and Guitar9 at http://wannadu.com)<= /A> or, ordered direct at the Wannadu, LLC address shown below ) ...I chose to use it on a tr= ack to get a somewhat "haunting" sound on a tune I wrote called "Sambaleo"..= ...Played in the lower registers provided a really interesting tonality in t= he recording.

When the instrument was first released a few years ago.....I used it in a li= ve situation, when I performed in NYC with a "ska" group called "two and a h= alf white guys!"   Click here: CD Review - Two and a Half White Guys - Two and a=20= Half White Guys - longislandmusicscene.com   The band asked if I would sit in with th= em on a gig one night, So, I brought it along. Since the band wa= s well equipped with guitarists, I thought it would be interesting to add a=20= different "sound" to the group. It worked out nicely.

It is a nice "tool" to have in the tool box. Could be a powerful addit= ion to a "loopers" arsenal.

Click here: Godin Glissentar

Best Regards,

Wayne Wesley Johnson
Click here: Wannadu= Music--Jazz, Flamenco, and Guitar Music and Production

Wannadu, LLC
7 Avenida Vista Grande #-260
Santa Fe, NM 87508

phone: 505.466.8700 fax: 505.466.8702

email: Wjguitar@aol.com   or WannaduLLC@aol.com
website: http://wannadu.com

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Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl" > hi, thought this might be of interest to David Beardsley and anyone else playing > microtonal music and/or fretless guitars. I was at Guitar Center (yuk) the > other day and saw a Godin 12-string classical fretless! I know about the Glissentar, wouldn't mind trying one. I didn't know they also made a Classical Fretless. Sounds interesting, but I have my hands full as it is. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 10:57:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04833; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:56:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:56:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3E106F84.6C03D3FC@jps.net> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 08:08:36 -0800 From: Dan Shapiro Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Organization: PT MEDIA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------DB791EB4899A88537A5959CD" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------DB791EB4899A88537A5959CD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe --------------DB791EB4899A88537A5959CD Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe --------------DB791EB4899A88537A5959CD-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 11:19:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07289; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:16:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:16:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3E0F353F.5020400@minds-eye.org> References: <67.5cf8109.2b408a8b@aol.com> <3E0F353F.5020400@minds-eye.org> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:14:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: RE: Kurzweil Expressionmate Midi Controller Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-rl3TC.A.zxB.SFHE-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I just noticed that it says to call 800 776-5173 and mention >priority code 212T on this flyer. Maybe this is the only way to nab >one, I don't know. You can get it at Sweetwater Sound for $169! wow! what a great deal... oh, oh, should I get one? /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 11:25:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07744; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:21:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:21:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <67.5cf8109.2b408a8b@aol.com> <3E0F353F.5020400@minds-eye.org> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:20:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: RE: Kurzweil Expressionmate Midi Controller Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >You can get it at Sweetwater Sound for $169! > >wow! what a great deal... oh, oh, should I get one? I did. I'll let you lot know. /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 11:43:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08638; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:33:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:33:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1970 12:51:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: repeater mod From: "mr.monk" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i just wanted to send a quick note to say that i had the repeater (noise reduction) mod done last month and i have had a chance to A/B it with and un-modified repeater and i think the reduction is significant. i'd say in the 50-65% quiter range in terms of the clock noise and 25-50% range for overall hum and hiss. some folks had inquired so i thought i'd post an update. monk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 11:44:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09371; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:41:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:41:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: Touring looper Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:40:53 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Touring looper Thread-Index: AcKv3sJBDR3672aRS6+c+yJQcjkDkAAMlBiw From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2002 16:40:54.0007 (UTC) FILETIME=[38520070:01C2B022] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA09346 Resent-Message-ID: <0OQCLC.A.VSC.hcHE-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi , same goes for me,looking for gigs except my website is http://www.dtguitar.com . Yeah cool, I traded shows and we shared shows together with this Stendek fellow. He is realy cool, easy to work with and the looping show we did was reat.we each got an hour to play. In fact, I am heading to st.louis to do another with him jan.07. Yeah,looking to do mroe shows as well.In fact,Stendek, maybe we can share some more shows!!! loopers? Denis Denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: Stendek [mailto:larryloopstation@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 3:34 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Touring looper Greetings fellow loopers! My name is Stendek. I am a loop artist from St Louis, MO USA, and I am currently trying to find other loop artists who want to trade shows with me. I have recently traded shows with Guitarist Denis Taaffe and it was awesome. I am looking for gigs anywhere in the US and Canada. Anything would be great. Money guarantees are not necessary. To find out more about me, I have a website at: http://www.stendek.info/ As far as what I have to offer gig-wise, I can't make a money guarantee, but I can guarantee a free meal, and a place to crash. The venue I play at most frequently is a coffeehouse/art lounge called the Atomic Cowboy and it has a great vibe. The owner loves interesting music and he is really cool. Anyone interested in trading shows please contact me at: larryloopstation@hotmail.com Thanks, Stendek From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 12:00:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10585; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:56:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:56:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021230165559.24928.qmail@web41012.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 08:55:59 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Glissantar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200212301557.KAA04909@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Trey Gunn uses one in his band (The Trey Gunn band) to good effect. He mentioned that it sounds exceptional with a little fuzz thrown on. Though a bit quieter than Godin's Multiac Nylon (acoustically that is), it has a nice tone due to the doubled string effect. The 6 string fretless is a new one on me. The synth access makes it that much more interesting. I've been using the Multiac Nylon with synth access for the past year and continue to be blown away by the sounds that can come from a nylon stringed instrument. And yes, I do quite a bit of looping with it. SVG I was at Guitar Center the other day and saw a Godin 12-string classical fretless! The only time I've even heard of someone playing an instrument like this is Pat Metheny, who used a custom one on his live record from a year or two ago. It sounds pretty bizarre...I didn't get to play it, but I was imagining the fun someone could have who's had experience playing fretless. it's also got a plain finish fingerboard, unmarked except for the edge; someone with a lot of patience could construct a whole lot of mictrotonal scales and mark 'em out with chalk or a grease pencil. It's obviously begging to be used by people making unusual music...I'd love to hear someone have some looping fun with it. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 12:01:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10694; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:58:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:58:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <3f.162e87cb.2b41d527@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:58:15 EST Subject: Re: Loop Music Goes to Siberia . . . To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3f.162e87cb.2b41d527_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_3f.162e87cb.2b41d527_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/29/02 1:43:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, c.voit@vtx.ch writes: > Some times looping is also a punishment.... > only to the unenlightened ear!.....:).....michael --part1_3f.162e87cb.2b41d527_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/29/02 1:43:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, c.voit@vtx.ch writes:

Some times looping is also a punishment....

only to the unenlightened ear!.....:).....michael --part1_3f.162e87cb.2b41d527_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 12:21:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13401; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:20:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:20:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 09:21:43 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Glissantar In-reply-to: <20021230165559.24928.qmail@web41012.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20021230165559.24928.qmail@web41012.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:55 AM -0800 12/30/02, S V G wrote: >The 6 string fretless is a new one on me. The synth access makes it >that much more interesting. I've been using the Multiac Nylon with >synth access A fretless MIDI guitar has interesting implications. Presumably this Godin instrument is outfitted with the RMC pickups and outputs six acoustic signals to your MIDI convertor of choice. The convertor then outputs a MIDI note and pitch bend message, but what happens when you're playing "in the cracks"? My Peavey Cyberbass has an interesting MIDI mode whereby each string outputs one MIDI note plus a pitch bend value within a two octave range. That is, as you play up and down the string the note doesn't change, just the pitch bend value. This could work well on a fretless MIDI guitar, but I'm don't know if this mode exisits on any guitar-to-MIDI interfaces. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 14:07:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23014; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:06:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:06:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: <193.13204dbc.2b41f2f2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:05:22 EST Subject: Gig opportunity in Montana To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10634 Resent-Message-ID: <1VFs3C.A.bnF.kkJE-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can get some great gigs for loopers here in Montana... I make more money looping right now than I ever have in any cover bands... I just did a WEDDING of all things yesterday for $360.00 (SOLO) I cannot afford to pay your way by any means but if anyone happens to come through Montana I could set up a show and I would be happy to open for you, you open or we share the entire night and perform together ... whatever you like! Feel free to e-mail me OFF the list @ touchingbass@aol.com if you are interested in participating. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 14:12:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23456; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:11:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:11:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:09:43 -0600 From: Jim Palmer Subject: RE: repeater mod In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <011701c2b037$02c5c300$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com did you get any detail about what he did? > i just wanted to send a quick note to say that i had the repeater > (noise reduction) mod done last month and i have had a chance > to A/B it > with and un-modified repeater and i think the reduction is > significant. > i'd say in the 50-65% quiter range in terms of the clock noise and > 25-50% range for overall hum and hiss. > > some folks had inquired so i thought i'd post an update. > > > monk > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 14:12:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23579; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:12:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:12:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: <94.3202fd55.2b41f477@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:11:51 EST Subject: 9 & ZEN To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10634 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a new duo I perform with I would love to show you all our little site... Its only an AOL homepage for now, but we will launch a real site very soon! http://hometown.aol.com/zendrumdude/9andZen.html We loop, and use non traditional instruments... I hope you dig it! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 14:31:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24796; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:29:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:29:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:30:04 -0500 Subject: Re: repeater mod Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) From: "mr.monk" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <011701c2b037$02c5c300$080210ac@jpalmer> Message-Id: <188BED88-1C2D-11D7-BE37-000393C629BC@fuse.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: <8ArJzB.A.WDG.26JE-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes it has to do with shielding in the unit and some changes to the power supply. more than that would be over my head anyway... On Monday, December 30, 2002, at 02:09 PM, Jim Palmer wrote: > did you get any detail about what he did? > >> i just wanted to send a quick note to say that i had the repeater >> (noise reduction) mod done last month and i have had a chance >> to A/B it >> with and un-modified repeater and i think the reduction is >> significant. >> i'd say in the 50-65% quiter range in terms of the clock noise and >> 25-50% range for overall hum and hiss. >> >> some folks had inquired so i thought i'd post an update. >> >> >> monk >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 14:41:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25772; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:40:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:40:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: Gig opportunity in Montana Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:34:17 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Gig opportunity in Montana Thread-Index: AcKwNq0yEVCzGSnTQUCx0nxydHfN3wADT+9w From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2002 19:34:18.0000 (UTC) FILETIME=[71955900:01C2B03A] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA25738 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi , hmmm, sounds interesting...tell me more denis@dtguitar.com , what do you thik Stendek,roadtrip, I will be in dalls in march which is near by, but what dates could we do, wanna come to indiana and do some shows? Denis -----Original Message----- From: Looping9string@aol.com [mailto:Looping9string@aol.com] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 2:05 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gig opportunity in Montana I can get some great gigs for loopers here in Montana... I make more money looping right now than I ever have in any cover bands... I just did a WEDDING of all things yesterday for $360.00 (SOLO) I cannot afford to pay your way by any means but if anyone happens to come through Montana I could set up a show and I would be happy to open for you, you open or we share the entire night and perform together ... whatever you like! Feel free to e-mail me OFF the list @ touchingbass@aol.com if you are interested in participating. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 15:58:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31574; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:55:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:55:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.203.193] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [looper's] production fretless guitar Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:54:32 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2002 20:54:32.0310 (UTC) FILETIME=[A722C160:01C2B045] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi... I am also a Godin endorsee, although my area of expertise is their basses (which, BTW, are exceptional). Godin makes the aforementioned Glissentar as well as a fretless nylon string acoustic/electric with synth-access by RMC (this work quite well with the Roland VG system as well as the Roland GR's). I have had the privilage of playing both of these, and they are wonderful! There is a lot of expression locked away in these guitars. As for fretless gtr, I belive our very own Steve Lawson has done some shows with a wizard of fretless guitar playing from France (who's name I cannot recollect). Yes, there is Metheny...and Fareed Haque, who also makes great use of the Glissentar! ...and I believe DT/SC did some work with the Glissentar (although he is a fabulous oud player as well.). Max _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_smartspamprotection_3mf From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 16:27:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01626; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:22:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:22:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:26:19 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: [looper's] production fretless guitar In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:54 PM +0000 12/30/02, max valentino wrote: >Godin makes the aforementioned Glissentar as well as a fretless >nylon string acoustic/electric with synth-access by RMC (this work >quite well with the Roland VG system as well as the Roland GR's). I've heard it said that the nylon string models work less well with the VG system than do steel-string electrics. Do you have any thoughts on that? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 16:41:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02147; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:35:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:35:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:35:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200212301635.AA139395404@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Loop Music Goes to Siberia . . . X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <83vzp.A.dh.RwLE-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wonder if the Siberian Symphonies play only Philip Glass music :) Kevin P.S. I love Philip Glass, but I'd hate to be in the cello section for one of his syphonies. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Claude Voit" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 18:39:59 +0100 >Some times looping is also a punishment.... > >Claude > > > >>
funny how things change.....once a place of punishment now a font of >> progressive music.....most cool ted!.....michael >> >> > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 16:42:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02334; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:38:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:38:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f101c2b04b$a979e910$cad162d8@allindlaw> Reply-To: "doug @ jump/cut" From: "doug @ jump/cut" To: References: <20021227005618.94132.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> <002b01c2ae0e$bfd6dd60$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:37:31 -0800 Organization: http://www.jumpcut.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The security guards don't look that closely so you > can breeze past them if you have something that at > least looks like a legitimate pass. This may not get you by for long ... two years ago I borrowed a badge to get in and I walked around for a couple of hours, then one of the security guards at an exhibition hall asked me for photo ID ... snagged! > Another thing I've heard of, but haven't tried, is the old > men's room back door entry route. This may only get you so far as well since they check badges when you go from exhibition hall to another exhibition hall. You may just ask one of the smaller vendors for a pass if you offer to help them out at their booth ... that could be everything from helping set-up/tear-down to handing out flyers. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 17:16:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06376; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:15:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:15:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:01:28 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... In-reply-to: <00f101c2b04b$a979e910$cad162d8@allindlaw> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: "doug @ jump/cut" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20021227005618.94132.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> <002b01c2ae0e$bfd6dd60$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> <00f101c2b04b$a979e910$cad162d8@allindlaw> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:37 PM -0800 12/30/02, doug @ jump/cut wrote: >two years ago I borrowed a badge to get in and I walked around for a >couple of hours, then one of the security guards at an exhibition >hall asked me for photo ID ... snagged! You must have really stood out in the crowd! It's so common for NAMM attendees to be using other people's badges that it's a running joke. Of course in recent years NAMM (the organization) HAS been tightening access, so you may have been caught in a sweep. >This may only get you so far as well since they check badges when you go >from exhibition hall to another exhibition hall. I've never noticed guards between the halls (the freely connect at two points), but then I usually have a legit badge. Walking around badgeless is not a viable solution. I might allow you to make a connection for a real badge though. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 17:20:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06683; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:19:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:19:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c501c2b051$4918d940$a2504ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <20021227005618.94132.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> <002b01c2ae0e$bfd6dd60$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> <00f101c2b04b$a979e910$cad162d8@allindlaw> Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 22:17:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > You must have really stood out in the crowd! It's so common for NAMM > attendees to be using other people's badges that it's a running joke. indeed, one year at NAMM, I was Bob Weir for the whole time, on a Modulus badge!! :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk (gig dates for CA here) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 17:43:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07795; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:40:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:40:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021230224012.40504.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:40:12 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com does anyone know where i can find info on the NAMM show and who will be attending. i'm also trying to get a map of the area or just general info on the setup for the booths. thanks...evan __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 18:01:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08988; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:58:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:58:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021230225818.68344.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:58:18 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: OT: Not E#'s 8-string, but... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20021226182702.98207.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Those of you who were interested in Eliott Sharp's 8-string a few weeks ago might like this: (It's the Charlie Hunter 8-string...) -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 18:25:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12414; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:24:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:24:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.71; T1.001; A1.51; B2.12; Q2.03) From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:24:34 -0500 X-Epoch: 1041290674 X-Sasl-enc: xKBC764DtedPC6feXbXEsg Subject: Re: Glissantar References: <20021230165559.24928.qmail@web41012.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20021230165559.24928.qmail@web41012.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <20021230232434.196BB13D2D@www.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anybody know how much these things are going for? I'd definitely like one in my arsenal. Ernesto On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 08:55:59 -0800 (PST), "S V G" said: > > Trey Gunn uses one in his band (The Trey Gunn band) to good effect. > He mentioned that it > sounds exceptional with a little fuzz thrown on. Though a bit quieter > than Godin's Multiac Nylon > (acoustically that is), it has a nice tone due to the doubled string > effect. > -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. Try it for free From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 18:31:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12708; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:29:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:29:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b401c2b05b$3f1c0a70$cad162d8@allindlaw> Reply-To: "doug @ jump/cut" From: "doug @ jump/cut" To: Subject: Bay Area Gig Spam -- New Year's Eve Show Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:29:05 -0800 Organization: http://www.jumpcut.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ..:| jump/cut new year's eve show |:.. Jupiter Tuesday, December 31 9pm - 2am $10 (includes party favors + champagne) 2181 Shattuck Ave Berkeley, CA 510.843.8277 // the concept // a new breed of "organic electronica" that takes its musical inspiration from two things: 1. modern jazz fused electronic music, and 2. visual mediums like film and art. the resulting soundscapes translate to elastic grooves and trippy loops with breakbeat twists and cool visuals // the collaborators // :: trevel beshore :: midi guitar-synth :: :: doug lawrence :: bass / loops :: :: kyle mueller :: drums / samples :: :: dylan yanez :: turntables / samples :: // special guest // :: aaron mccoy :: alto sax/flute :: -- check out our material online at -- http://www.jumpcut.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 18:47:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13843; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:47:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:47:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PRCamann@aol.com Message-ID: <15e.19502670.2b423460@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:44:32 EST Subject: Re: Kurzweil Expressionmate Midi Controller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15e.19502670.2b423460_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10638 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_15e.19502670.2b423460_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The price at Musician's Friend is $169.99 (I found the flyer; they send it in the boxes containing items they ship). You need the item number and the priority code as quoted by Kevin in his previous messages; the salespeople can't seem to find it without those numbers). Thanks for the info, Kevin. I ordered one last night and it's on it's way. Paul Camann --part1_15e.19502670.2b423460_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The price at Musician's Friend is $169.99 (I found the flyer; they send it in the boxes containing items they ship). You need the item number and the priority code as quoted by Kevin in his previous messages; the salespeople can't seem to find it without those numbers).

Thanks for the info, Kevin. I ordered one last night and it's on it's way.

Paul Camann --part1_15e.19502670.2b423460_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 19:25:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16620; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:22:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:22:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: <23.29b82cec.2b423d35@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:22:13 EST Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10634 Resent-Message-ID: <2nzIX.A.mDE._MOE-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com
Last year I saw a bald, white Chuck Rainey! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 19:26:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16683; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:23:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:23:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: <105.237a7d8a.2b423d5d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:22:53 EST Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_105.237a7d8a.2b423d5d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10634 Resent-Message-ID: <_JjjoB.A.lEE.FOOE-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_105.237a7d8a.2b423d5d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/30/2002 3:41:46 PM Mountain Standard Time, evanmeyers@yahoo.com writes: > does anyone know where i can find info on the NAMM > show and who will be attending. i'm also trying to > get a map of the area or just general info on the > setup for the booths. > > thanks...evan > > you can get a directory but usually not until you arrive --part1_105.237a7d8a.2b423d5d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/30/2002 3:41:46 PM Mountain Standard Time, evanmeyers@yahoo.com writes:

does anyone know where i can find info on the NAMM
show and who will be attending. i'm also trying to
get a map of the area or just general info on the
setup for the booths.

thanks...evan

you can get a directory but usually not until you arrive --part1_105.237a7d8a.2b423d5d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 19:50:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17615; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:48:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:48:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013101c2b066$47ff1f50$2a2a7244@ccsunet.clayton.edu> From: "magicicada" To: References: <105.237a7d8a.2b423d5d@aol.com> Subject: A review on my new cd. Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:48:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_012E_01C2B03C.5EF53610" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_012E_01C2B03C.5EF53610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sorry for the whoring.=20 http://www.splendidezine.com/review.html?reviewid=3D32476593011263858 just kinda nice for people to start taking notice of it. thanks, c ------=_NextPart_000_012E_01C2B03C.5EF53610 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
sorry for the whoring.

http://www.splendidezine.com/review.html?reviewid=3D324765930112638= 58

just kinda nice for people to start = taking notice=20 of it.

thanks,

c
------=_NextPart_000_012E_01C2B03C.5EF53610-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 20:14:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19993; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:14:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:14:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013601c2b069$d3ba6ce0$cad162d8@allindlaw> Reply-To: "doug @ jump/cut" From: "doug @ jump/cut" To: References: <20021230224012.40504.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:13:25 -0800 Organization: http://www.jumpcut.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <-tERXC.A.T4E.l9OE-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> i'm also trying to get a map of the area >> or just general info on the setup for >> the booths. NAMM 2003 Exhibitor List http://12.22.222.15/tradeshow/winter/exlist_winter/ts_exhiblist.html Anaheim Floorplans http://www.namm.com/tradeshow/floorplans.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 20:16:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19655; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:09:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:09:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.158.94.46] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: spam: NYC Stick/Looping gig Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:04:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2002 01:04:27.0200 (UTC) FILETIME=[90C96400:01C2B068] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ciao friends. I�ll be starting out the year with a solo Stick/Looping gig here in NYC. Thursday, Jan 02 10.30 pm (lounge is open 9-2) Free w/ ID phOnOmena @ subtonic lounge 107 Norfolk Street (bet. Rivington & Delancey) New York, NY Regards & Happy New Year, Lou Rossi PS. Below please find a link to my "cut" up online demo. http://www.yourwebeddy.com/lou/ These are the tracks. FYI, 1&4 are the solo & the rest has me playing along w/ a band... 1. Ambient Loop 2. Pads 3. Processed tapping> harmonized arpeggios> "siren" 4. Dissonant Loop 5. Diatonic Chording clean & dirty 6. E-bow solo Total time is 6.35 _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_advancedjmf_3mf From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 20:16:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20231; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:16:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:16:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.176.183] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [looper's] production fretless guitar Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 01:15:48 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2002 01:15:48.0489 (UTC) FILETIME=[26DDD790:01C2B06A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard; I have heard just the opposite: that nylon string gtrs respond better that steel strung counterparts! I tried the aforementioned Godin with the VG system, albeit briefly, and noticed no real glitches or latency issues. It triggered and tracked very well, and the mix of the nylon string sound with the VG's models/fx was impressive! Max > >I've heard it said that the nylon string models work less well with the VG >system than do steel-string electrics. Do you have any thoughts on that? >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://RZCybernetics.com _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 20:25:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20726; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:25:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:25:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:29:15 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: [looper's] production fretless guitar In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:15 AM +0000 12/31/02, max valentino wrote: >I have heard just the opposite: that nylon string gtrs respond >better that steel strung counterparts! The first time I ever met a Godin nylon MIDI guitar or a Roland VGuitar was at the same time, as a system. It seemed fine to me. Now that I think about it, the comment I heard was NOT about nylon vs. steel strings but about RMC vs. magnetic pickups! It seemed reasonable to me at the time, because I'd expect piezos to pick up more of the spectral complexity of the attack (harder to analyze) whereas a magnetic pickup would reproduce the sustain portion more cleanly. Any pickup gurus have an opinion. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 30 22:31:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28397; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 22:29:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 22:29:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021231032919.76080.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:29:19 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: Speaking of NAMM... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <105.237a7d8a.2b423d5d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is there anything available before i get there? i have a lot to prepare for the show and not much time left. > you can get a directory but usually not until you > arrive > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 08:13:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31310; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:11:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:11:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005901c2b0cd$ef643020$355e4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: [looper's] production fretless guitar Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:10:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Now that I think about it, the comment I heard was NOT about nylon > vs. steel strings but about RMC vs. magnetic pickups! It seemed > reasonable to me at the time, because I'd expect piezos to pick up > more of the spectral complexity of the attack (harder to analyze) > whereas a magnetic pickup would reproduce the sustain portion more > cleanly. Any pickup gurus have an opinion. I don't know how long ago it was that you tried it, but I gather that Richard has worked on an EQ/buffer thingie to get rid of the harmonics that might interfere with the signal - I interviewed Alain Caron about this years ago, and he was smitten by it for his Yamaha/Axxon system - he said the analogue sound of it with the buffer on was horrible :o) cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 09:35:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03903; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:32:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:32:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <11c.1c9c57fd.2b430460@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:32:00 EST Subject: Re: glissentar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id JAA03882 Resent-Message-ID: <4bCKHD.A.58.HqaE-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com personally, i don't much care for the glissentar; in the prototyping and early production stages, the instrument used very low-quality tuners and a compensated bridge --- which seemed very 'not right', to me. additionally, the guitar scale-length and lack of resonance/solid neck make the instrument feel a bit like a 'neither-fish-nor-fowl' marriage between a fretless bass and a very weak oud: obviously, it's not my cup of tea, though -certainly- plenty of other folk seem to like it. (if you do play the glissentar, my suggestions would be: use high-quality tuners, try a non-compensated bridge, experiment w/string gauges and materials on the upper strings). i'll stick with the oud; in fact, i'm looking forward to receiving a 6-course 60cm bashir oud from master luthier yaroub mohammed fadel, in late february. also, in contradistinction to what wayne w.j. stated about the glissentar: it's my clear impression that the glissentar was not robert godin's idea; it was intitiated & executed by montr�al luthier mario beauregard. mario was then chief guitar-luthier at godin; he left the company --- after many years, there --- just as the glissentar was being released. wayne w.j. said, in relation to the single low-string on the glissentar: > I believe Godin went this route to avoid buzzing on the bass string. this may be the case, but ---having been involved in the prototyping of the glissentar, myself--- i believe it's more likely that mario was attempting to emulate the historical profile of the oud, which almost always has a single low-end 'drone'-type string, sometimes called the 'dumm', i think. re: fretless gtr-players, i'd at least suggest: dave 'fuse' fiuczynski (usa) marc ducret (fr) and, for looping oudists, i highly recommend (especially live): dhafer youssef (tun/fr) ..... add'ly, i've been looping the oud for about 4-5 (?) yrs, myself..... regards, dt / splattercell currently working on: films: the sin eater (as composer) recordings: new splattercell recently completed: films: adaptation, simone, heist, the rookie, traffic, etc recordings: david bowie, tori amos, tim berne (as producer), mick karn (as re-mixer), the living jarboe, mantra girl, etc upcoming: recordings: jeff beck, tim berne (as producer) http://www.splattercell.com http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn member: Guitar Player Magazine Artist Advisory Board From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 09:40:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04494; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:37:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:37:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008101c2b0d9$eb3f9640$355e4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <11c.1c9c57fd.2b430460@aol.com> Subject: Re: glissentar Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:35:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > re: fretless gtr-players, i'd at least suggest: > dave 'fuse' fiuczynski (usa) > marc ducret (fr) I'll second both of those and add Franck Vigroux (I've played in quartet, trio and duo formats with Franck - sometimes he's brilliant, sometimes he loses me, but well worth listening to - there's a link to his site from mine, can't remember the URL right now...) Ned Evett (much more 'pop' than any of the above, currently Satriani's support act of choice, playing an acoustic Fernandes with a glass fretless fingerboard and a sustainer circuit!! Loops live with a DL4. Is very good) www.nedevett.com cheers! Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 09:58:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05942; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:55:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:55:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:55:57 -0500 Subject: feckless fretless Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) From: "mr.monk" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <008101c2b0d9$eb3f9640$355e4ed5@bigboy> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i know this is a topic that gets recylced every year or so, but i have a great fretless nylon string made by Rick Turner that plays and sounds great. it is true that the 6 string is in danger of sounding like a fretless bass, but that has more to do with the phrasing than the instrument (although the sustain makes it more tempting i guess) an oud's an oud and a fretless nylon string guitar is ....well, you can do the math... On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 09:35 AM, Steve Lawson wrote: >> re: fretless gtr-players, i'd at least suggest: >> dave 'fuse' fiuczynski (usa) >> marc ducret (fr) > > I'll second both of those and add > > Franck Vigroux (I've played in quartet, trio and duo formats with > Franck - > sometimes he's brilliant, sometimes he loses me, but well worth > listening > to - there's a link to his site from mine, can't remember the URL right > now...) > > Ned Evett (much more 'pop' than any of the above, currently Satriani's > support act of choice, playing an acoustic Fernandes with a glass > fretless > fingerboard and a sustainer circuit!! Loops live with a DL4. Is very > good) > > www.nedevett.com > > cheers! > > Steve > www.steve-lawson.co.uk > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 10:35:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09616; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:34:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:34:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: <14.5fca34e.2b4312fc@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:34:20 EST Subject: Re: glissentar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_14.5fca34e.2b4312fc_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 8.0 for Windows US sub 230 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_14.5fca34e.2b4312fc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/31/2002 7:33:38 AM Mountain Standard Time,=20 Hedewa7@aol.com writes: > also, in contradistinction to what wayne w.j. stated about the glissentar: > it's my clear impression that the glissentar was not robert godin's idea; > it was intitiated &executed by montr=E9al luthier mario beauregard. > mario was then chief guitar-luthier at godin; > he left the company --- after many years, there --- just as the glissentar= =20 > was being released. >=20 > wayne w.j. said, in relation to the single low-string on the glissentar: >=20 > >I believe Godin went this route to avoid buzzing on the bass string. >=20 > this may be the case, but ---having been involved in the prototyping of th= e=20 >=20 > glissentar, myself--- i believe it's more likely that mario was attempting= =20 > to=20 > emulate the historical profile of the oud, which almost always has a singl= e=20 >=20 > low-end 'drone'-type string, sometimes called the 'dumm', i think. >=20 This is very interesting....thanks for the feedback. I only had what Robert= =20 Godin shared with me, to go by. I didn't know about Mario. I have been to=20 the factory, and do have one of the early models. Your suggestions are=20 helpful, indeed. Thanks. WWJ --part1_14.5fca34e.2b4312fc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/31/2002 7:33:38 AM Mount= ain Standard Time, Hedewa7@aol.com writes:

also, in contradistinction to what wayne w.j. stated about=20= the glissentar:
it's my clear impression that the glissentar was not robert godin's idea; it was intitiated &executed by montr=E9al luthier mario beauregard.
mario was then chief guitar-luthier at godin;
he left the company --- after many years, there --- just as the glissentar <= BR> was being released.

wayne w.j. said, in relation to the single low-string on the glissentar:

>I believe Godin went this route to avoid buzzing on the bass string.

this may be the case, but ---having been involved in the prototyping of the=20=
glissentar, myself--- i believe it's more likely that mario was attempting t= o
emulate the historical profile of the oud, which almost always has a single=20=
low-end 'drone'-type string, sometimes called the 'dumm', i think.

This is very interesting....thanks for the feedback. I only had what R= obert Godin shared with me, to go by. I didn't know about Mario. = I have been to the factory, and do have one of the early models. Your= suggestions are helpful, indeed.

Thanks. WWJ --part1_14.5fca34e.2b4312fc_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 10:44:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10128; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:44:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:44:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <1ab.e88e6a6.2b4314fb@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:42:51 EST Subject: Re: glissentar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wwj, >This is very interesting....thanks for the feedback. I only had what Robert >Godin shared with me, to go by. I didn't know about Mario. I have been >to >the factory, and do have one of the early models. Your suggestions are >helpful, indeed. yer welcome! for more information on the oud, you may wanna start here: http://www.kairarecords.com/OudPage/Oud.htm best, dt /s-c currently working on: films: the sin eater (as composer) recordings: new splattercell recently completed: films: adaptation, simone, heist, the rookie, traffic, etc recordings: david bowie, tori amos, tim berne (as producer), mick karn (as re-mixer), the living jarboe, mantra girl, etc upcoming: recordings: jeff beck, tim berne (as producer) http://www.splattercell.com http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn member: Guitar Player Magazine Artist Advisory Board From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 11:34:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14059; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:31:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:31:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: <192.132e238f.2b432007@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:29:59 EST Subject: Re: Ud To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_192.132e238f.2b432007_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 8.0 for Windows US sub 230 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_192.132e238f.2b432007_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/31/2002 8:44:47 AM Mountain Standard Time, Hedewa7@aol.com writes: > for more information on the oud, you may wanna start here: > http://www.kairarecords.com/OudPage/Oud.htm > Gee thanks for the tip....It looks like a good site. Regards, WWJ --part1_192.132e238f.2b432007_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/31/2002 8:44:47 AM Mountain Standard Time, Hedewa7@aol.com writes:

for more information on the oud, you may wanna start here:
http://www.kairarecords.com/OudPage/Oud.htm

Gee thanks for the tip....It looks like a good site.

Regards, WWJ --part1_192.132e238f.2b432007_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 11:56:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16327; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:55:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:55:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:59:14 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: MIDI guitar (was production fretless guitar) In-reply-to: <005901c2b0cd$ef643020$355e4ed5@bigboy> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <005901c2b0cd$ef643020$355e4ed5@bigboy> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:10 PM +0000 12/31/02, Steve Lawson wrote: >I don't know how long ago it was that you tried it, but I gather that >Richard has worked on an EQ/buffer thingie to get rid of the harmonics that >might interfere with the signal - I interviewed Alain Caron about this years >ago, and he was smitten by it for his Yamaha/Axxon system - he said the >analogue sound of it with the buffer on was horrible :o) The only time I tried an RMC system was over three years ago. It was a Godin nylon string model (don't remember which one) driving a Roland VG-8. It sounded fine to me. I don't remember now where I heard the complaints about poor performance with RMC pickups and the VG, but it was probably a posting on the VG list. As I mentioned, my own system consists of a Roland-ready Strat, Roland VG-8, Roland GR-30, and a Yamaha G50. Tracking is pretty good with this system, especially with the VG which uses the audio signal directly rather than converting to MIDI. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 12:08:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18632; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:08:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:08:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:08:07 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Votes of Cure Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi my friends! I did not follow your conversation for a while. Me and my companheira escaped from death by very little while playing in the sand at a steep beach. I had just left the place when a whole mountain of sand stone came down and by some miracle did not burry her but launched her about 20m away and only left her with a broken leg and some smaller insures and a trauma. So I was dealing with Brasilian health system and wheel chairs and learned what it means to care for someone full time. Its all going to be fine again. I also made live looping music in a clinic for some older depressive patients and felt it was serious, useful work I want to develop more. We also had a magic tea ritual that makes me wish for all of us: Our music has a huge curing potential for a world that urgently needs it! Its a long way without screaming success but little steps of evolution that brings us true gratitude and happiness. First we cure ourselves by looping back what we put out. Then when we find the equilibrium and technique to play relaxed and "in tune", we can use the good vibes to cure others and finally the wave will spread in space, since distance is not a limitation for such energy. Sure I wish you can learn and profit from all the tools and functions that we created with big effort and help of many of you... ...but I wish much more that you become aware of the magic power of music and find ways to turn it useful for yourself and other and help to cure the world! love and light Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 13:00:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22477; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:59:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:59:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c2b0f6$910284e0$0a01a8c0@urso> From: "Daniel Pezzotti" To: References: Subject: Re: Votes of Cure Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:00:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com *****Happy New Year to everybody from the list from Zurich, Switzerland!****** P.S. especialmente para voce Matthias: muito lindo as suas palavras! A musica que mantem a gente ter esperan�a! Feliz ano novo!! Daniel Pezzotti ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 6:08 PM Subject: Votes of Cure Hi my friends! I did not follow your conversation for a while. Me and my companheira escaped from death by very little while playing in the sand at a steep beach. I had just left the place when a whole mountain of sand stone came down and by some miracle did not burry her but launched her about 20m away and only left her with a broken leg and some smaller insures and a trauma. So I was dealing with Brasilian health system and wheel chairs and learned what it means to care for someone full time. Its all going to be fine again. I also made live looping music in a clinic for some older depressive patients and felt it was serious, useful work I want to develop more. We also had a magic tea ritual that makes me wish for all of us: Our music has a huge curing potential for a world that urgently needs it! Its a long way without screaming success but little steps of evolution that brings us true gratitude and happiness. First we cure ourselves by looping back what we put out. Then when we find the equilibrium and technique to play relaxed and "in tune", we can use the good vibes to cure others and finally the wave will spread in space, since distance is not a limitation for such energy. Sure I wish you can learn and profit from all the tools and functions that we created with big effort and help of many of you... ...but I wish much more that you become aware of the magic power of music and find ways to turn it useful for yourself and other and help to cure the world! love and light Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 13:23:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23736; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:21:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:21:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c2b0f9$dbabf460$9035fea9@manecofl9t5bcf> From: "Maneco" To: References: Subject: Re: Votes of Cure Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:24:19 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mathias, um abra�o de Maneco de Uruguay, felis 2003,um pronto melhoramento para sua companheira. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 13:53:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24999; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:46:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:46:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: gear for sale Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:46:28 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Votes of Cure Thread-Index: AcKw+ZG3Ymr0ZZIiQJaMzclGzDqWSQADXHww From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2002 18:46:28.0514 (UTC) FILETIME=[EDA64820:01C2B0FC] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA24978 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I was going to post the following on ebay but thought I would give people on the list first chance. I can only accept paypal for these items as I am in need of funds quickly. Prices include shippping unless noted and are for US only. Ok,email me if you have questions about specific item or paypal me (even better): 1)Lexicon Jamman with footswitch- 1 rackspace looping processor.Excellent condition- $500.00 +$10s/h 2)Marshall JCM30 1x12" all tube 2 ch. combo amp with footswitch, reverb, EQ,F/X loop, vintage celestion/marshall12"in,unreal sound, clean and and lead ch. lead ch sounds like jcm800 only smoother but still has that bitting sound. Lots of gain,newly retubed-$500+$30s/h 3)zoom rythmntrack 234 drum machinew/ac adapter- lots of presets,bass track and 2 drum tracks, sounds fairly realistic -$100.00+$10s/h 4)Fender dg-5 6 string acoustic guitar with gig bag- nice sound,excellent condition, could use action setup -$200.00+$20s/h 5)Derick Rush electric guitar with hardshell case- formerly a Fender squire strat, redone by luthier derek rush, includes, 2 humbuckers,1 seymour duncan jb and 1 59' PAF, 1 tone 1 volume, 3 way switch, maple neck, kahler locking tremolo and locking tuners, color black with white pickguard. Was my backup guitar, great strat type tones and great neck pickup tone as well, only gripe was high e string would slip off the bridge when bent or played real hard, but then again I am hard on guitars, looks good cosmetically.Headstock has RUSH Guitars logo as he dressed the neck as well.-$350.00+$20.00s/h 6)collapsible 5 guitar stand -padded stand,great for gigs $45+$7.00s/h 7)Nady wireless ear monitors and reciever- used,but never used by me anyway-$100.00 +$5.00 s/h 8)sliding rack shelf - really heavy duty ball bearing sliding rack shelf, heavy duty, can hold 150 pounds plus - $45.00+$15s/h 9)Pr.of alesis monitor ones and Alesis ra-100 power amp- $375.00+$25.00 s/h 10)4 peavey speaker/amp stands- heavy duty angled speaker amp stands,collapsible, wont seperate,heavy duty,can handle heavy amps-$150.00+$10.00s/h 11)IBM Thinkpad 380ED Laptop-:pentium166mhz processor,win98, 3gig hd,49mb ram,CD,floppy,56kmodem, color active matrix screen, includes case-NICE!! not the fastest around but it is in excellent shape and is solid!!may need new battery but comes with ac adapter -$450.00+$20s/h 12)Compaq Presarrio 1230 laptop-:AMD 233mhz processor,win98,64mb ram,6gig hd,touchpad,cd,jbl speakers built in,floppy,56k modem,color active matrix screen,includes nice targus case, -may need new battery,but comes with ac adapter,$575.00+$20s/h 13)AMEK Tac Scorpion analog 38x8x2 38 ch. mixing console with Acopyian power supply,6ft long, 4 mic pre's,nice console, shipping is outrageous though,cost me $500 to get it shipped to me,nice warm tone,awesome eq's,-$2000.00+buyer arranges and pays for shipping well, I have some other items,but for now that's all. Prices are what I would like for items, most are fixed,though shoot me an offer if you like. Thanks Denis Denis Taaffe paypal:dtaaffe@indiana.edu http://www.dtguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 14:06:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27341; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:06:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:06:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006101c2b0ff$73fe7440$355e4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: new loopalicious MP3 Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:04:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Happy New Year, loopsters, and to celebrate, I've just uploaded a new MP3 - it's me, looping, with a keyboardist called Patrick Wood, who's very good (not looping here) - it's a version of 'Highway 1' from my new album, or at least it starts as that, and is unrecognisable by the end... it's on the MP3 page on my site - enjoy... cheers! Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk (MP3s california gig dates) www.stevelawson.net (extra front door) www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk (CD sales and info) www.solobassnetwork.org.uk (other solo bassists) www.pmrecords.gemm.com (more sales, cheaper for those in the US...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 14:32:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28771; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:32:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:32:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007001c2b103$15db3160$355e4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: Gemm.com - experiences? Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:30:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I recently started selling my CDs through GEMM.COM - it seems like a great system - anyone else doing it? The deal is way better than Amazon (and unlike amazon.com they take sellers from outside the US), and their database is huge... Anyone got any experiences selling or buying through them? my page there is http://www.pmrecords.gemm.com - if you want to see what you get... cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk www.stevelawson.net www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk www.solobassnetwork.org.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 14:53:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29705; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:52:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:52:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "marcus rojo" To: Subject: RE: new loopalicious MP3 Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:05:52 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c2b108$061fd780$824d3c04@dslverizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <006101c2b0ff$73fe7440$355e4ed5@bigboy> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at out002.verizon.net from [4.60.77.130] at Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:52:17 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Steve, I just had my first taste of Steve Lawson, Regretting the Rainbow from your site. It's very beautiful. Is that solo bass? I'm in the process of downloading Highway 1 as I write. I will try very hard to be at the Anaheim gig. Thanks for beautiful music! Marcus -----Original Message----- From: Steve Lawson [mailto:steve@steve-lawson.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 11:05 AM To: Loop List Subject: new loopalicious MP3 Happy New Year, loopsters, and to celebrate, I've just uploaded a new MP3 - it's me, looping, with a keyboardist called Patrick Wood, who's very good (not looping here) - it's a version of 'Highway 1' from my new album, or at least it starts as that, and is unrecognisable by the end... it's on the MP3 page on my site - enjoy... cheers! Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk (MP3s california gig dates) www.stevelawson.net (extra front door) www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk (CD sales and info) www.solobassnetwork.org.uk (other solo bassists) www.pmrecords.gemm.com (more sales, cheaper for those in the US...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 15:04:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31544; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:03:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:03:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008201c2b107$750a6c60$355e4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <000001c2b108$061fd780$824d3c04@dslverizon.net> Subject: Re: new loopalicious MP3 Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:01:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <4eTMVD.A.ysH.VgfE-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I just had my first taste of Steve Lawson, Regretting the Rainbow from your > site. It's very beautiful. Is that solo bass? I'm in the process of > downloading Highway 1 as I write. I will try very hard to be at the Anaheim > gig. Thanks for beautiful music! Thanks Marcus! I'm really glad you like it! Yup, it is solo bass - a Modulus 4 string, looped with my EDP... let me know what you think of the rest of the tunes there... :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk www.stevelawson.net www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk www.pmrecords.gemm.com www.solobassnetwork.org.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 15:09:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31819; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:08:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:08:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005c01c2b108$4fdcf290$cad162d8@allindlaw> Reply-To: "doug @ jump/cut" From: "doug @ jump/cut" To: , "Loop List" References: <007001c2b103$15db3160$355e4ed5@bigboy> Subject: Re: Gemm.com - experiences? Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:07:55 -0800 Organization: http://www.jumpcut.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> Anyone got any experiences >> selling or buying through them? I've bought a 40-50 of hard-to-find and out-of-print CDs from their system over the last 3-4 years ... no problems to report. I've always viewed them as a business-to-consumer marketplace where you are hooked up with sellers through their self-service database for vendors, so your experience may vary based on the vendor you get hooked up with (which is a little different than Amazon I think). It's pretty nice that they affer the fullfillment information and vendor experience ratings. I've had no problems with overseas vendors either ... most usually keep in touch on order status via e-mail. The gemm.com web site has a lot to be desired from a design and usability perspective, but it does what it's suppose to, so I'd give them a thumbs up. I didn't realize that they offered services for more independent artists and labels since it's typically stores I've dealt with ... I'll have to check that out. I was planning on using CDBaby or Homegrown Music. If you are selling CDs using gemm.com, are you packing/shipping them yourself? If so, I wonder how this would compare to using PayPal directly on your own hosted site in terms of cost. Also, how do they transfer payment to you for goods sold? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 15:24:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32407; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:22:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:22:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009d01c2b10a$24f01ba0$355e4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" References: <007001c2b103$15db3160$355e4ed5@bigboy> <005c01c2b108$4fdcf290$cad162d8@allindlaw> Subject: Re: Gemm.com - experiences? Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:21:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The gemm.com web site has a lot to be desired from a design and usability > perspective, but it does what it's suppose to, so I'd give them a thumbs up. true - it is an ugly site! :o) > I didn't realize that they offered services for more independent artists and > labels since it's typically stores I've dealt with ... I'll have to check > that out. I was planning on using CDBaby or Homegrown Music. I'd list it at CDBaby as well, if I was you - good site, good search functions etc. > If you are selling CDs using gemm.com, are you packing/shipping them > yourself? If so, I wonder how this would compare to using PayPal directly on > your own hosted site in terms of cost. Also, how do they transfer payment to > you for goods sold? The Gemm deal is pretty good - can remember the specifics but it works out well worth doing - they pay you by cheque I think... Gemm's strength is the size of the site - they don't charge you much cos they don't have to do much, and they REALLY want to have your stuff listed there to make them even bigger than they are (already the biggest CD shop front on the web)... Ideally, I'd go for all the options you can - having a paypal thing on your site makes perfect sense for people who've found your site, but some people might just search for your band on gemm while looking for something else, and then buy it. Or find you by accident or whatever. It doesn't cost anything to have the listing, so it's worth having them all and casting the net as wide as you can. I've got my first two albums up at CD Baby, and will soon have all three avaialable via www.burningshed.com as well, and am still deliberating over www.amazon.co.uk via their marketplace system... It's all about visibility and exposure I guess... cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 15:25:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32446; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:23:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:23:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a101c2b10a$4746b240$355e4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <007001c2b103$15db3160$355e4ed5@bigboy> <005c01c2b108$4fdcf290$cad162d8@allindlaw> Subject: Re: Gemm.com - experiences? Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:22:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com BTW, doug, I downloaded an mp3 or two of yours a while ago - excellent stuff! I look forward to hearing the full album! Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 15:27:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32486; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:24:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:24:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <15e.19502670.2b423460@aol.com> References: <15e.19502670.2b423460@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:09:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: Kurzweil Expressionmate Midi Controller Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:44 PM -0500 12/30/02, PRCamann@aol.com wrote: >The price at Musician's Friend is $169.99 (I found the flyer; they >send it in the boxes containing items they ship). You need the item >number and the priority code as quoted by Kevin in his previous >messages; the salespeople can't seem to find it without those >numbers). > >Thanks for the info, Kevin. I ordered one last night and it's on it's way. > >Paul Camann Me too -- even though I've been too busy with work and video to do much music lately. -- " Practice makes perfect. Imperfect is better" -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 17:54:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08578; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:51:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:51:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:38:50 -0500 From: Sempai Subject: Re: Gemm.com - experiences? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004501c2b11f$01d53e10$fe762544@user0jd9dje1rf> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <007001c2b103$15db3160$355e4ed5@bigboy> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice. I'll keep the gemm website for future reference. Sempai ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 2:30 PM Subject: Gemm.com - experiences? > Hi all, > > I recently started selling my CDs through GEMM.COM - it seems like a great > system - anyone else doing it? The deal is way better than Amazon (and > unlike amazon.com they take sellers from outside the US), and their database > is huge... > > Anyone got any experiences selling or buying through them? > > my page there is http://www.pmrecords.gemm.com - if you want to see what you > get... > > cheers > > Steve > www.steve-lawson.co.uk > www.stevelawson.net > www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk > www.solobassnetwork.org.uk > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 19:09:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14697; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:08:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:08:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: for sale:Lexicon Jamman wih footswitch Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:08:00 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Gemm.com - experiences? Thread-Index: AcKxCppwuAnbZhdRR2Wq5ce1qAuJeQADhYfA From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jan 2003 00:08:01.0229 (UTC) FILETIME=[D900F7D0:01C2B129] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA14676 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I have a lexicon jamman for sale with footswitch for $500+$10 shipping.excellent condition. If interested,paypal me at dtaaffe@indiana.edu and send me your email address.Will put on ebay i no interest. Thanks Denis Denis taaffe dtaaffe@indiana.edu htp://www.dtguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 19:52:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16006; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:49:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:49:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:32:02 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Kurzweil Expressionmate Midi Controller In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <15e.19502670.2b423460@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:09 PM -0500 12/31/02, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: >Me too -- even though I've been too busy with work and video to do >much music lately. Some gizmos are just too hip to pass up if the price is right. I just ordered one myself. Maybe we should have an Expressionfest. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 20:56:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19592; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:55:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:55:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c2b138$f1da5da0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: for sale:Lexicon Jamman wih footswitch Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:56:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yikes. Just a friendly heads up - Lexicon Vortices (w/ footswitch) are selling on eBay for $100 - $150 + shipping. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 6:08 PM Subject: for sale:Lexicon Jamman wih footswitch > Hi, > > I have a lexicon jamman for sale with footswitch for $500+$10 shipping.excellent condition. If interested,paypal me at dtaaffe@indiana.edu and send me your email address.Will put on ebay i no interest. > Thanks > Denis > > Denis taaffe > dtaaffe@indiana.edu > htp://www.dtguitar.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 20:57:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19716; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:57:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:57:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c2b139$221be1a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: for sale:Lexicon Jamman wih footswitch Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:57:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <1FM04C.A.-zE.0rkE-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh goodness. Forgive me! I haven't even started drinking yet! That's a JamPerson. Completely different deal. :) FYI - Vortices ARE selling for $100-$150... LOL Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 6:08 PM Subject: for sale:Lexicon Jamman wih footswitch > Hi, > > I have a lexicon jamman for sale with footswitch for $500+$10 shipping.excellent condition. If interested,paypal me at dtaaffe@indiana.edu and send me your email address.Will put on ebay i no interest. > Thanks > Denis > > Denis taaffe > dtaaffe@indiana.edu > htp://www.dtguitar.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 22:47:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25398; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 22:46:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 22:46:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: for sale:Lexicon Jamman wih footswitch Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 22:46:03 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: for sale:Lexicon Jamman wih footswitch Thread-Index: AcKxOTNMVq8os9o7SvOc9HtfWSHUVQAAcZRg From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jan 2003 03:46:04.0227 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F140930:01C2B148] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id WAA25377 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes mr.informative~~~~peavey bandit amps are going for $100 on ebay too....hahah This si the lexion jamman happy holidays!!! Denis 8-) -----Original Message----- From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 8:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: for sale:Lexicon Jamman wih footswitch Oh goodness. Forgive me! I haven't even started drinking yet! That's a JamPerson. Completely different deal. :) FYI - Vortices ARE selling for $100-$150... LOL Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 6:08 PM Subject: for sale:Lexicon Jamman wih footswitch > Hi, > > I have a lexicon jamman for sale with footswitch for $500+$10 shipping.excellent condition. If interested,paypal me at dtaaffe@indiana.edu and send me your email address.Will put on ebay i no interest. > Thanks > Denis > > Denis taaffe > dtaaffe@indiana.edu > htp://www.dtguitar.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 23:17:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27495; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 23:16:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 23:16:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20030101041658.8142.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:16:58 -0800 (PST) From: joel b Subject: New year, new member To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1sRXK.A.htG.7umE-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Howdy, I've been making use of the LD archives over the past weeks, & I'm finally joining up to make your aquaintance(s) and hopefully make use of your expertise. I've been interested in delays & looping since I bought a Boss SE-50 off a friend 10 years ago. I've been swinging more towards looping technology, which I use in my band, Bete Noire. Based out of Seattle, I'm a working musician (in both senses) and I've recently fallen in love with a new used Vortex. Working on combing it with a RDS 7.6, that SE-50 I still use and others; & I'll be trying to work MIDI controllers into the FX loop/preamp mess soon. Generally I'm not a list user, but this seems to be right up my alley. See you next year! Joel.B __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 31 23:58:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29170; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 23:55:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 23:55:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:54:39 -0800 Subject: Re: New year, new member From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030101041658.8142.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com welcome and lets all say g'bye to the last palendromic(LOOP) year fer awhile s > Howdy, > > I've been making use of the LD archives over the past > weeks, & I'm finally joining up to make your > aquaintance(s) and hopefully make use of your > expertise. > > I've been interested in delays & looping since I > bought a Boss SE-50 off a friend 10 years ago. I've > been swinging more towards looping technology, which I > use in my band, Bete Noire. > > Based out of Seattle, I'm a working musician (in both > senses) and I've recently fallen in love with a new > used Vortex. Working on combing it with a RDS 7.6, > that SE-50 I still use and others; & I'll be trying to > work MIDI controllers into the FX loop/preamp mess > soon. > > Generally I'm not a list user, but this seems to be > right up my alley. > > See you next year! > > Joel.B > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com >