From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 1 02:46:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02157; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 02:45:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 02:45:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: Subject: EDP/LoopIV Problem Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 01:46:15 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At my gig tonight, when I fired up my rack, my EDP starting scrolling the usual Loop IV info but then kept going around in a loop (no pun intended) and never went into it's regular looping mode with the function lights on. Then after 5 minutes it suddenly went into it's normal mode. When I started a loop it was cool bit then suddenly stopped in the middle for no reason and erased the loop. After all that it worked fine for the rest of the gig.... but it's got me worried.....I never had a problem with Loop III and I've had the new Loop IV software in for over a month with no problems until now. Anybody got any ideas???? -Arthur Lee www.arthurleemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 1 03:30:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03800; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 03:27:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 03:27:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021101012852.0097f670@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 01:28:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: How about a new Loopers' Delight CD? In-Reply-To: <001001c2815e$eab5ff20$de06a044@hppav> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -Most definitely... Smiles, CQ At 11:26 PM 10/31/02 -0500, you wrote: >Any interested in working on this? > >David > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 1 03:30:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03742; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 03:27:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 03:27:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA887@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: won't get gated again Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:46:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C28116.2BDB2140" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C28116.2BDB2140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > also how Pete Townshend got the keyboard sound on > Won't Get Fooled Again...it's actually an organ a Lowrey, in fact. :)<< I got to listen to the m/track of this once, and push the faders up and down. it seems townshend showed up with a lump of tape with this treated lowrey on it and made the band play along to it, and the track was done live. there's a chunk in the middle that got edited out when they mixed it, that's just a lowrey/vcs3 workout. and the fumbles from all concerned are hilarious- most reassuring to hear the late great ox making the same mistakes on the bass that I would've. a lot of people think it was an arp modular but he didn't get that until later. a terrific performance. I present here, fwiw, and by the miracle of e-mail archivism and via my mate who worked for the cocteau twins at townshend's eel-pie studio (while it was called september sound by the scottish ambience-botherers), the actual dope from old twonk-face himself. apologies for the caps but he's somewhat hard of hearing these days: I USED GATED LOWREY ORGAN VIA EMS VCS3 GATED FILTER. NO SEQUENCER. I GOT MY ARP 2500 SYSTEM (HUGE) JUST AFTER I'D RECORDED THE FIRST FEW DEMOS FOR WHO'S NEXT. BABA O'RILEY WAS A CHEAT. I COULDN'T GET THE SEQUENCERS AND MIX-SEQUENCERS ON THE ARP UNDER MY FINGERS FAST ENOUGH SO I EMULATED SEQUENCING AND TAPE DELAYS USING THE MARIMBA ARPEGGIATOR EFFECT ON MY LOWREY BERKSHIRE. there you are. I have no idea what he means by "mix-sequencers". duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C28116.2BDB2140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: won't get gated again

> also how Pete Townshend got the keyboard sound on
> Won't Get Fooled Again...it's actually an organ

a Lowrey, in fact. :)<<

I got to listen to the m/track of this once, and push the= faders up and down. it seems townshend showed up with a lump of tape with = this treated lowrey on it and made the band play along to it, and the track= was done live. there's a chunk in the middle that got edited out when they= mixed it, that's just a lowrey/vcs3 workout.

and the fumbles from all concerned are hilarious- most re= assuring to hear the late great ox making the same mistakes on the bass tha= t I would've. a lot of people think it was an arp modular but he didn't get= that until later. a terrific performance.

I present here, fwiw, and by the miracle of e-mail archiv= ism and via my mate who worked for the cocteau twins at townshend's eel-pie= studio (while it was called september sound by the scottish ambience-bothe= rers), the actual dope from old twonk-face himself. apologies for the caps = but he's somewhat hard of hearing these days:

I USED GATED LOWREY ORGAN VIA EMS VCS3 GATED FILTER. NO S= EQUENCER. I GOT MY ARP 2500 SYSTEM (HUGE) JUST AFTER I'D RECORDED THE FIRST= FEW DEMOS FOR WHO'S NEXT. BABA O'RILEY WAS A CHEAT. I COULDN'T GET THE SEQ= UENCERS AND MIX-SEQUENCERS ON THE ARP UNDER MY FINGERS FAST ENOUGH SO I EMU= LATED SEQUENCING AND TAPE DELAYS USING THE MARIMBA ARPEGGIATOR EFFECT ON MY= LOWREY BERKSHIRE.

there you are. I have no idea what he means by "mix-= sequencers".

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C28116.2BDB2140-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 1 03:31:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03741; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 03:27:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 03:27:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA888@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: heavenly/roxy music Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:58:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C28117.E22A0230" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C28117.E22A0230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I remember an interview where Eno and Phil Manzanera were discussing the old Roxy Music days when Eno would process Phil's guitar. Phil used to get frustrated because he would stop playing but he was still hearing guitar. He said that was the reason Eno left the band, that he [Phil] told the band "Either he goes or I go." Eno corrected him, "What really happened was I said I would leave unless I were allowed to do the same thing to Bryan's voice."<< hmm... there are as many versions of eno's departure as there were bass players in roxy's 70s lineups. I heard that eno's costumes were annoying ferry as he felt upstaged by the feather boas and so on, especially as he spent time away from the centre of the stage to bang away at the ivories himself. anyway, eno's encyclopaedic recall is generally more trustworthy, and is supported by the subsequent appearance of sundry roxys-not-called-brian on his early solo albums. best of mates now though. shit! we're almost back on topic! eno showing fripp how les paul (and others) would shove two tape decks together to create a geologically long echo effect; that all happened round about this time too. I wonder how many musicians/engineers/producers discovered this idea "independently"; I had no idea what "no pussyfooting" was about the first time I wedged my two ferrographs together in 1979, I just wanted a longer delay so we could do this multiple layered looping thing with our solitary roland synth. an sh1000 in case you're interested. the first synth made in japan. one oscillator, two lfo's. makes noise a bit like a vcs3 and yes, ours had an audio input retrofitted too. I'd never heard looping before we did it ourselves. anyone else? duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C28117.E22A0230 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: heavenly/roxy music

>>I remember an interview where Eno and Phil Manzan= era were discussing the old Roxy
Music days when Eno would process Phil's guitar.  P= hil used to get frustrated because
he would stop playing but he was still hearing guitar.&n= bsp; He said that was the reason
Eno left the band, that he [Phil] told the band "Ei= ther he goes or I go."  Eno
corrected him, "What really happened was I said I w= ould leave unless I were allowed
to do the same thing to Bryan's voice."<<

hmm... there are as many versions of eno's departure as t= here were bass players in roxy's 70s lineups. I heard that eno's costumes w= ere annoying ferry as he felt upstaged by the feather boas and so on, espec= ially as he spent time away from the centre of the stage to bang away at th= e ivories himself.

anyway, eno's encyclopaedic recall is generally more trus= tworthy, and is supported by the subsequent appearance of sundry roxys-not-= called-brian on his early solo albums. best of mates now though.

shit!
we're almost back on topic!
eno showing fripp how les paul (and others) would shove = two tape decks together to create a geologically long echo effect; that all= happened round about this time too.

 
I wonder how many musicians/engineers/producers discover= ed this idea "independently"; I had no idea what "no pussyfo= oting" was about the first time I wedged my two ferrographs together i= n 1979, I just wanted a longer delay so we could do this multiple layered l= ooping thing with our solitary roland synth. an sh1000 in case you're inter= ested. the first synth made in japan. one oscillator, two lfo's. makes nois= e a bit like a vcs3 and yes, ours had an audio input retrofitted too. I'd n= ever heard looping before we did it ourselves. anyone else?

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C28117.E22A0230-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 1 03:42:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04562; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 03:39:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 03:39:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021101083935.12149.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 00:39:35 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Radio Massacre International To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200210311757.MAA02002@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> Hey, I've heard of Radio Massacre International! I've actually been wanting to hear your stuff for quite sometime now, but apart from one album that Wayside Music presently carries, I don't seem to be able to find too much of it available here in the US. Care to name any retailers on the web who take Mastercard (unlike Fiedling Melisch, I don't have Diner's Club OR Bank Of America) who stock your albums? ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 1 03:47:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04786; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 03:44:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 03:44:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008801c28183$3fc26ac0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <001001c2815e$eab5ff20$de06a044@hppav> Subject: Re: How about a new Loopers' Delight CD? Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:44:12 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" To: Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 04:26:AM Subject: How about a new Loopers' Delight CD? > Any interested in working on this? > > David There's certainly enough of a range of styles to present. I would wonder whether they should be combined as a set, or sequestered per style? For instance, one piece using 'traditional' ambient might have good or bad contrast with another using D&B. Would these all be instrumental (in the sense of not having lyrics).? Am I asking difficult questions? Did everyone else eat too much candy last night? :) S.P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 1 04:14:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06060; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 04:13:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 04:13:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007d01c28186$a3bbf480$614c863e@laptop> From: "Leander Reininghaus" To: References: Subject: Digitech gnx 3 Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:11:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0078_01C2818E.FFBCD620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C2818E.FFBCD620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, has anyone already checked out the new Digitech gnx 3 floorpedal = machine equipped with 8 track recorder and jamman looper ? and if so, is = the jamman looper really to be used really independent from the other = effects and does it have a "feedback" option to do sound on sound = ambient loops ?=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C2818E.FFBCD620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi = there,
 
has anyone already = checked out the=20 new Digitech gnx 3 floorpedal machine equipped with 8 track recorder = and=20 jamman looper ? and if so, is the jamman looper really to be used = really=20 independent from the other effects and does it have a "feedback" = option to do=20 sound on sound ambient loops ? =
------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C2818E.FFBCD620-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 1 04:19:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06363; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 04:18:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 04:18:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: EDP/LoopIV Problem Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:18:15 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <002101c28187$9c07cc40$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At my gig tonight, when I fired up my rack, my EDP starting > scrolling the usual Loop IV info but then kept going around > in a loop (no pun intended) and never went into it's regular > looping mode with the function lights on. > Anybody got any ideas???? > > -Arthur Lee > www.arthurleemusic.com > This sounds like your EDP went into that "set the tempo manually before starting" mode. I've been haunted by this too but there's sufficient info on it in the loop4 manual. When I programmed my FCB1010 I decided to use a stomp pad to send midi data to the EDP to make sure it is not booted up in this tempo mode - just my personal workaround ;-) Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 1 04:23:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06606; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 04:22:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 04:22:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Digitech gnx 3 Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:22:36 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <002201c28188$393364c0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C28190.9AF7CCC0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <007d01c28186$a3bbf480$614c863e@laptop> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C28190.9AF7CCC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes. A music store here lent me one for test but I have to say I didn't like it much for a looper, compared to my EDP and Repeater. But as an 8 track recorder it sure looks great, or as a tool for practicing an instrument on your own. Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com=20 -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: Leander Reininghaus [mailto:l.reininghaus@editionrahe.de]=20 Skickat: den 1 november 2002 10:11 Till: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =C4mne: Digitech gnx 3 Hi there, =20 has anyone already checked out the new Digitech gnx 3 floorpedal machine equipped with 8 track recorder and jamman looper ? and if so, is the jamman looper really to be used really independent from the other effects and does it have a "feedback" option to do sound on sound ambient loops ?=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C28190.9AF7CCC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Meddelande
Yes. A=20 music store here lent me one for test but I have to say I didn't like it = much=20 for a looper, compared to my EDP and Repeater. But as an 8 track = recorder it=20 sure looks great, or as a tool for practicing an instrument on your=20 own.

Best wishes

Per=20 Boysen
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Fr=E5n: Leander = Reininghaus=20 [mailto:l.reininghaus@editionrahe.de]
Skickat: den 1 = november 2002=20 10:11
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=C4mne:=20 Digitech gnx 3

Hi = there,
 
has anyone already = checked out=20 the new Digitech gnx 3 floorpedal machine equipped with 8 track = recorder and=20 jamman looper ? and if so, is the jamman looper really to be used = really=20 independent from the other effects and does it have a "feedback" = option to=20 do sound on sound ambient loops ?=20
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C28190.9AF7CCC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 1 04:28:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06875; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 04:25:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 04:25:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021101011036.00b3a6a8@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 01:24:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: EDP/LoopIV Problem In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Arthur- From my experience, the EDP seems to be somewhat sensitive to temperature. I like to get the EDP powered up as early as possible, at least 1/2 hour before a performance. It could just be superstition, but it seems like any weird stuff happens just after powering it up, before the components reach steady-state. Since the weather is starting to get cold in the northern hemisphere, I'd be careful about warming things up. -Hans At 23:46 31/10/2002, you wrote: >At my gig tonight, when I fired up my rack, my EDP starting scrolling the >usual Loop IV info but then kept going around in a loop (no pun intended) >and never went into it's regular looping mode with the function lights on. >Then after 5 minutes it suddenly went into it's normal mode. When I started >a loop it was cool bit then suddenly stopped in the middle for no reason and >erased the loop. > >After all that it worked fine for the rest of the gig.... > >but it's got me worried.....I never had a problem with Loop III and I've had >the new Loop IV software in for over a month with no problems until now. > >Anybody got any ideas???? > >-Arthur Lee >www.arthurleemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 1 04:45:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA07433; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 04:39:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 04:39:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021101012641.00b59078@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 01:37:11 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: Illinois gig In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <0HfotD.A.CzB.rtkw9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis, I wish I could be there; I was born in Carbondale, and lived near there until I was ten. I think I remember going to that spot - it's in Giant City State Park, right? Have a great time. -Hans At 12:51 31/10/2002, you wrote: > > Hi, > >Hey I will be playing friday november 01 at the Shawnee Halloween 3 day >festival in Carbondale,IL . any loopers near by? Its a three day festival >, but I guess it will be held at the Shawnee Salt Petre cave where they >havea natural ampitheatre?! Soudns kind of cool. Well, it will be about 5 >or so hours for me from Bloomington,IN . Ok ,let me know!! >Thanks >Denis > >Denis taaffe >denis@dtguitar.com >http://www.dtguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 1 07:01:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA14166; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 07:00:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 07:00:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA88B@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Radio Massacre International Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:52:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2819D.333735A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2819D.333735A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>but apart from one album that Wayside Music presently carries, I don't seem to be able to find too much of it available here in the US. Care to name any retailers on the web who take Mastercard (unlike Fiedling Melisch, I don't have Diner's Club OR Bank Of America) who stock your albums?<< jeez- which one is that? ONE title? we have issued 8 titles through centaur/cds (based in scotland) and another 8 or so as cd-r's, which are beginning to be distributed in the same sort of quantity as the other titles. the 9th "proper" release was through SMD/neuharmony in the hope that distribution would improve.... so. I know we've sent stock to cuneiform and eurock, and centaur has a reciprocal arrangement of some sort with some other distributors. the long term plan is to recover control of the disposition of the centaur titles (since they plainly aren't being made widely-enough available; dave, if you're reading this, the website needs work!) and manage the manufacture and distribution ourselves. grrr.... I've forwarded y'r mail to steve, the other keybd player, since he's dealt with more of this than me, and I'll let you know soon. we're looking forward to gigging in the US next weekend. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. 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>>but apart from one album that Wayside Music prese= ntly carries, I don't seem to be able to find too much of it available here= in the US. Care to name any retailers on the web who take Mastercard (unli= ke Fiedling Melisch, I don't have Diner's Club OR Bank Of America) who stoc= k your albums?<<

jeez- which one is that? ONE title? we have issued 8 titl= es through centaur/cds (based in scotland) and another 8 or so as cd-r's, w= hich are beginning to be distributed in the same sort of quantity as the ot= her titles. the 9th "proper" release was through SMD/neuharmony i= n the hope that distribution would improve....

so. I know we've sent stock to cuneiform and eurock, and = centaur has a reciprocal arrangement of some sort with some other distribut= ors.

the long term plan is to recover control of the dispositi= on of the centaur titles (since they plainly aren't being made widely-enoug= h available; dave, if you're reading this, the website needs work!) and man= age the manufacture and distribution ourselves. grrr....

I've forwarded y'r mail to steve, the other keybd player,= since he's dealt with more of this than me, and I'll let you know soon. we= 're looking forward to gigging in the US next weekend.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2819D.333735A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 1 09:40:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29140; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:37:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:37:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016a01c280ea$c0c90fa0$57645cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #293 Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:34:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #293 October 31, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on ambient guitarist Jeff Pearce, who sculpts soundscapes with a guitar. The Featured CD at midnight was "The Hidden Rift" on the Ancient Sun Music label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Encore" by Tangerine Dream the Virgin label. I also played the music of Richard Pinhas who will be in concert at the next Gathering on November 2. PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Tangerine Dream Cherokee Lane Encore (Virgin) Jeff Pearce Live telephone interview Richard Pinhas P'tite SAB Event and Repetition (Cuneiform) Metlay! Those Who Wait for Live in Denver (Atomic City) Morning Mike Griffin and Plastic and Flesh Imprint (Hypnos) Dave Fulton 12:00 am Jeff Pearce The Hidden Sky The Hidden Rift (Ancient Sun) Jeff Pearce Shadow of Surrender The Hidden Rift (Ancient Sun) Jeff Pearce On Silent Paths The Hidden Rift (Ancient Sun) Jeff Pearce Last Light The Hidden Rift (Ancient Sun) Jeff Pearce Rain Clouds The Hidden Rift (Ancient Sun) Jeff Pearce Aftermath The Hidden Rift (Ancient Sun) Jeff Pearce Parting Words The Hidden Rift (Ancient Sun) Jeff Pearce The Hidden Rift The Hidden Rift (Ancient Sun) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Two Dutch Bands, Free System Projekt and Wave World. The Featured CD at Midnight will be disc one from "Atmospheric Conditions" by FSP on the Quantum label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Encore" by Tangerine Dream on the Virgin label. I will play the music of Radio Massacre International who will be performing at the November 16th Gathering. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 1 12:04:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07940; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:03:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:03:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DC2B4A2.A5125C8A@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 11:06:42 -0600 From: Kirby Shelstad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Seeking EDP's for sale? References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------62A96AF743D303F9908AA998" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------62A96AF743D303F9908AA998 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i thought you were a bongo player k Tom Roady wrote: > From: Looping9string@aol.com > Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:54:13 EST > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Seeking EDP's for sale? > > I have been collaborating with a ZEN drummer using my pair of Gibson > EDP's... > > In our collaboration and discussion we have concluded that He needs > his own > pair of EDP's as well, to do what we currently have in mind... > > He would like to find one used and or, at a reasonable / best price... > > BOTH with the floor pedal controllers. > > Any leads and / or suggestions? > > He is interested in just getting at least one for now so please > contact me if > you have one or a pair that you would consider selling. > > I TOO PLAY ZENDRUMS WITH JUST ONE EDP...I'VE BEEN WANTING TO GET MY > HANDS ON ANOTHER ONE ALSO FOR STEREO LOOPING...LET ME KNOW IF YOU FIND > 3...TOM ROADY --------------62A96AF743D303F9908AA998 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i thought you were a bongo player

k

Tom Roady wrote:

From: Looping9string@aol.com
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:54:13 EST
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Seeking EDP's for sale?

I have been collaborating with a ZEN drummer using my pair of Gibson EDP's...

In our collaboration and discussion we have concluded that He needs his own
pair of EDP's as well, to do what we currently have in mind...

He would like to find one used and or, at a reasonable / best price...

BOTH with the floor pedal controllers.

Any leads and / or suggestions?

He is interested in just getting at least one for now so please contact me if
you have one or a pair that you would consider selling.

I TOO PLAY ZENDRUMS WITH JUST ONE EDP...I'VE BEEN WANTING TO GET MY HANDS ON ANOTHER ONE ALSO FOR STEREO LOOPING...LET ME KNOW IF YOU FIND 3...TOM ROADY

--------------62A96AF743D303F9908AA998-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 1 15:20:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21224; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:13:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:13:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002101c28187$9c07cc40$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> References: <002101c28187$9c07cc40$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:16:21 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: SV: EDP/LoopIV Problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > At my gig tonight, when I fired up my rack, my EDP starting >> scrolling the usual Loop IV info but then kept going around >> in a loop (no pun intended) and never went into it's regular >> looping mode with the function lights on. >> Anybody got any ideas???? >> >> -Arthur Lee >> www.arthurleemusic.com >> > >This sounds like your EDP went into that "set the tempo manually before >starting" mode. I've been haunted by this too but there's sufficient >info on it in the loop4 manual. When I programmed my FCB1010 I decided >to use a stomp pad to send midi data to the EDP to make sure it is not >booted up in this tempo mode - just my personal workaround ;-) > >Best wishes sorry, thats not my impression. If it does not come out of the LOOP loop, its a system crash, which can have several reasons. Heat can contribute but is not the real reason. Try this, Arthur: - connect any cable to the BrotherSync input and hold the tip to some ground point (a screw on the cabinet or so) and see whether the problem appears. - heat just the simms (with a hair dryer for example) to se whether the problem appears. - take out the two SIMMs closer to the front pannel (U38/39, the others are essencial) to see whether the problem disappears (even under the conditions above). -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 1 16:23:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25898; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:14:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:14:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: theweg@netzero.com X-Original-From: theweg@netzero.com Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 21:11:44 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:SV: Digitech gnx 3 X-Mailer: NetZero WebMail Version 1.0 Message-Id: <20021101.131242.27276.163452@webmail02.lax.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I own one of these units and I like it for many reasons but it is not the same as the Jamman. It does not sync up to my repeater or edp which I do not like but as an 8 track recorder it is sweet for doing a small piece on the fly. With the proper technique you can do just about anything with it but as I said it does not sync.... Weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 1 19:27:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07774; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:24:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:24:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.104.22.70] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Twin Cities: 4th Annual Festival of Appropriation Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 16:23:14 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2002 00:23:14.0460 (UTC) FILETIME=[088BF5C0:01C28206] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: J103@aol.com >Subject: [rumori] FWD: 4th Annual Festival of Appropriation >Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 18:52:30 -0500 > >For those of you near the Twin Cities, this exhibit opens tomorrow night >(Saturday, NOV 2, 7-11PM) > >FOURTH ANNUAL FESTIVAL OF APPROPRIATION > >*** ART OPENING: Saturday, November 2nd, 7-11pm *** > >RUNS: November 2nd - 30th, 2002 >GALLERY HOURS: FRI-MON 3-8pm & by appointment >ARTISTS: Allen Christian (The House of Balls), Mark Gunderson (The ECC), >Steev Hise (Detritus.net), Andrea Jayne, Michael Pilmer (Silica Gel), >Trisha Shaskan, The Tape-beatles and Michelle Winowiak. > >The Twin Cities' only annual exhibition to focus exclusively on the art of >collage, assemblage and mixed media, steps boldly into its fourth year with >a program as diverse as the sources its artists incorporate into their >appropriation-based art works. > >The Fourth Annual Festival of Appropriation is sponsored, appropriately, by >the radio program Some Assembly Required. Both the weekly radio program and >the annual visual art exhibit focus on works of appropriation-based >collage, not to mention that both shows are produced by Minneapolis Collage >artist, Jon Nelson. > >For more information about these and other projects, visit >www.PostConsumerProductions.com. > >Please join us at the celebration event on November 2nd!!! > >ROGUE buddha GALLERY + 2402 EAST HENNEPIN AVE SE + 612.331.3889 > >http://www.festivalofappropriation.org/ >http://www.roguebuddha.com/ >http://www.some-assembly-required.net/ >http://www.postconsumerproductions.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free!  Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 1 19:56:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09332; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:54:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:54:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:53:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200211011953.AA1136197690@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Twin Cities: 4th Annual Festival of Appropriation X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds great, wish I knew which of the many pairs of Twin Cities it was in. >>collage, not to mention that both shows are produced by Minneapolis >Collage Oooh, lucky that was in there. Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 1 20:18:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10820; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 20:18:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 20:18:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Subject: strange loops Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 02:18:39 +0100 Message-ID: <000201c2820d$c6cacb40$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Loopers, has anyone of you experience with what Douglas Hofstadter calls "strange loops" in a musical sense? Hofstadter uses the mentioned term in his book Gödel, Escher, Bach for strange recursions of any kind. He starts by giving an example of canons by JS Bach which progress chromatically, i.e. when one voice of the canon has been played once, it ends one tone higher and is thus repeated the second time transposed, and so on... While working on my next heavily loop-based album "Sauflieder Band 2: Extreme Ambient Terror", I got the idea that the inherent pitch-shifting possibilities of the Repeater would make it easy hardware-wise to do this kind of thing.(anyone else can of course do exactly the same what I'm about to describe using another looper and an external pitch shifter...) *** WARNING !!! LONG MUSIC THEORY BABBLE AHEAD *** One of my studies is based on a harmonic progression which, starting in the key of C, goes like this: Cm D7 Fm6 G7 Cm7 Ebm7 F#7 F taking a look at the functions of these chords in a C scale (and ignoring for one moment 7ths and 6ths et al), we have: t DD s D t Dp DS(sub) S (t tonic, d dominant, s subdominant, p parallel, g antiparallel, sub substitution, uppercase=major, lowercase=minor)) This works ok as a strange plagal turnaround (which GF handel did like a lot) in C key. But if we take a look at the last chords and assume for one moment we're in Bb minor, this becomes: ...dd s DD(sub) D ...so we can append here the start of the loop transposed two semitones downward. But there's more: Assume we have the loop running in reverse, the first chord is F, so let's assume for one moment we're in the key of F, the functions of the second half (= the first half reversed) become: ...DD t sG d which is ok. But if we again do the analysis in the key of G (which is incidentially F transposed one step up), we get: ...T dG D s ...and again, we can append the start (=the end) of the loop transposed two semitones upwards. So we have a loop which we can either run as is, and it makes sense harmonically, or we can "think differen" and just pitch down two steps for each round, and after seven rounds, we're back in the key of C. And if we change our mind halfway, we just kick in reverse, and progress back up. Another step I took was using polyphonic lines which tend to transpose themselves (in the Bach way) and even make sense when combined in different transpositions. Take the following passive theme (=a bassline): C Bb D C E Ab C This is based on a wholetone scale, so the conventional harmonic functional theory does not apply in exactly the same way. Still, we have at the end a progression which is centered around Bb, and if seen reversed at the end (=the beginning) an ascending line leading to D. So again, we can use this loop to transpose down in one and up in the other direction. What makes the use of the scale extra appealing is the fact that the notes of the scale stay the same no matter where I transpose, thus, I can use a steady active theme (=a melody) and have it running forwards and backwards and do similair tricks. Of course, it is also interesting here to use an active theme which does similair things. One I worked out transposes upwards, and I have two copies of it on adjacent tracks of the repeater, on of them recorded forward and one reverse. So the bassline and the melody either transpose in opposite directions (forward) or in unisono (backward). What makes this a little bit tricky is the modus operandi: I currently use a FCB1010 to transpose the bassline to its 7 discrete levels and to switch into reverse, at the same time sending mute/unmute commands to the two tracks containing the melody forward and reverse, and use a keyboard to control the two melodies' pitch. So much of thinking aloud for today...and here back to my question: has any of you ever done anything similair, and perhaps is able to offer some useful hints (either for use of equipment to realize this stuff, or, more importantly, hints for composing this way). And if you didn't do anything like this before...look forward to my next CD! Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 1 21:35:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18381; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 21:32:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 21:32:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: <9.15b9f7a.2af492fc@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 21:31:24 EST Subject: Re: Seeking EDP's for sale? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9.15b9f7a.2af492fc_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10634 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_9.15b9f7a.2af492fc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/31/02 7:35:25 AM Mountain Standard Time, db@biink.com writes: > My guess: he plays a Zen Drum. > > http://www.zendrum.com/ > > > * David Beardsley > * http://biink.com > * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley > Ahhh thanks Dave! You are correct! and yes, he would "like" to Have two for stereo application... --part1_9.15b9f7a.2af492fc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/31/02 7:35:25 AM Mountain Standard Time, db@biink.com writes:


My guess: he plays a Zen Drum.

http://www.zendrum.com/


* David Beardsley
* http://biink.com
* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley


Ahhh thanks Dave! You are correct!

and yes, he would "like" to Have two for stereo application... --part1_9.15b9f7a.2af492fc_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 1 22:00:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20365; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 21:55:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 21:55:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021102025416.31612.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:54:16 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: Putney To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200211011201.HAA14276@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alex, This sounds remarkably close to the effect I used to get with the Serge Modular Smooth and Stepped Generator (if I read you correctly). Something like a random sample and hold that sounds like an ever evolving pattern. The small fluctuations in the analog circuitry would hold the pattern steady for a while and then inexplicably alter them a little. Ah, the beauty of analog gear... I like your description of it as a barber pole type illusion. BTW, is this the same Alex Stahl who attended Evergreen in the late 70's? SVG One loopish technique that I learned on the Putney and still think about when thinking about ways to extending digital audio loop techniques, is the stairstep LFO 'sequencer' effect. You take two subsonic sawtooth waves and set the shape of one so it is an ascending ramp and the other descending. You combine both of these waves and modulate the pitch of an oscillator and/or a filter with both of them. Then you tweak the amplitudes (the knob layout makes this all really easy to do) so that the rising wave going in one direction exactly cancels the slope of the other ramp. You end up with a cyclic sequence of voltage steps, and there are infinite fine-tuning possibilities. It is practically impossible to set one analog LFO to say, exactly five times as fast and five times lower amplitude than the other. If you could you would get a simple five-note arpeggio. Instead, you get into various "barber pole" illusions as the steps sort of slide around and create larger patterns. I am giving up on describing this verbally at this point, but it is a very simple yet deep technique from the school of combining slightly different-length cycles. A lot of this kind of VCS3 synth-looping can be heard on Dark Side of the Moon. -Alex S. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 1 23:11:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24474; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:11:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:11:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <130.16ee96b8.2af4aa3b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:10:35 EST Subject: Re: strange loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_130.16ee96b8.2af4aa3b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: <4Pv8BC.A.89F.NB1w9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_130.16ee96b8.2af4aa3b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/1/02 8:18:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, rs@moinlabs.de writes: > *** WARNING !!! LONG MUSIC THEORY BABBLE AHEAD *** babbleon!.....such refreshing reading, im always looking for new chord patterns and compositional ideas.....sets my mind awanderin.....cant wait for your cd.....michael --part1_130.16ee96b8.2af4aa3b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/1/02 8:18:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, rs@moinlabs.de writes:


*** WARNING !!! LONG MUSIC THEORY BABBLE AHEAD ***


babbleon!.....such refreshing reading, im always looking for new chord patterns and compositional ideas.....sets my mind awanderin.....cant wait for your cd.....michael --part1_130.16ee96b8.2af4aa3b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 2 02:01:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA32430; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 02:01:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 02:01:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: , "Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: strange loops Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:00:06 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000201c2820d$c6cacb40$0601a8c0@SATAN> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In my "Animal Totems" book, the swimming of dolphins is like the transposition of melody and bassline which you describe. If the dolphins are swimming together, in the same direction- equipoise and balance. If the dolphins are swimming in opposited directions, they represent involution and evolution. When shown twinned and wrapped around an anchor, they symbolize "speed arrested"- hence caution and circumspection. Tonight I'm with the one I love (who knows it it's requited or will be) and there's not going to be much sound of melody or baseline because we're wrapped around that anchor. Hence custion and circumspection. I just which the bassline would kick in for starters to free us from this anchor. No animal of the sea particularly loves an anchor. -----Original Message----- From: Rainer Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 5:19 PM To: Looper's Delight Mailing List (E-mail) Subject: strange loops Hey Loopers, has anyone of you experience with what Douglas Hofstadter calls "strange loops" in a musical sense? Hofstadter uses the mentioned term in his book Gödel, Escher, Bach for strange recursions of any kind. He starts by giving an example of canons by JS Bach which progress chromatically, i.e. when one voice of the canon has been played once, it ends one tone higher and is thus repeated the second time transposed, and so on... While working on my next heavily loop-based album "Sauflieder Band 2: Extreme Ambient Terror", I got the idea that the inherent pitch-shifting possibilities of the Repeater would make it easy hardware-wise to do this kind of thing.(anyone else can of course do exactly the same what I'm about to describe using another looper and an external pitch shifter...) *** WARNING !!! LONG MUSIC THEORY BABBLE AHEAD *** One of my studies is based on a harmonic progression which, starting in the key of C, goes like this: Cm D7 Fm6 G7 Cm7 Ebm7 F#7 F taking a look at the functions of these chords in a C scale (and ignoring for one moment 7ths and 6ths et al), we have: t DD s D t Dp DS(sub) S (t tonic, d dominant, s subdominant, p parallel, g antiparallel, sub substitution, uppercase=major, lowercase=minor)) This works ok as a strange plagal turnaround (which GF handel did like a lot) in C key. But if we take a look at the last chords and assume for one moment we're in Bb minor, this becomes: ...dd s DD(sub) D ...so we can append here the start of the loop transposed two semitones downward. But there's more: Assume we have the loop running in reverse, the first chord is F, so let's assume for one moment we're in the key of F, the functions of the second half (= the first half reversed) become: ...DD t sG d which is ok. But if we again do the analysis in the key of G (which is incidentially F transposed one step up), we get: ...T dG D s ...and again, we can append the start (=the end) of the loop transposed two semitones upwards. So we have a loop which we can either run as is, and it makes sense harmonically, or we can "think differen" and just pitch down two steps for each round, and after seven rounds, we're back in the key of C. And if we change our mind halfway, we just kick in reverse, and progress back up. Another step I took was using polyphonic lines which tend to transpose themselves (in the Bach way) and even make sense when combined in different transpositions. Take the following passive theme (=a bassline): C Bb D C E Ab C This is based on a wholetone scale, so the conventional harmonic functional theory does not apply in exactly the same way. Still, we have at the end a progression which is centered around Bb, and if seen reversed at the end (=the beginning) an ascending line leading to D. So again, we can use this loop to transpose down in one and up in the other direction. What makes the use of the scale extra appealing is the fact that the notes of the scale stay the same no matter where I transpose, thus, I can use a steady active theme (=a melody) and have it running forwards and backwards and do similair tricks. Of course, it is also interesting here to use an active theme which does similair things. One I worked out transposes upwards, and I have two copies of it on adjacent tracks of the repeater, on of them recorded forward and one reverse. So the bassline and the melody either transpose in opposite directions (forward) or in unisono (backward). What makes this a little bit tricky is the modus operandi: I currently use a FCB1010 to transpose the bassline to its 7 discrete levels and to switch into reverse, at the same time sending mute/unmute commands to the two tracks containing the melody forward and reverse, and use a keyboard to control the two melodies' pitch. So much of thinking aloud for today...and here back to my question: has any of you ever done anything similair, and perhaps is able to offer some useful hints (either for use of equipment to realize this stuff, or, more importantly, hints for composing this way). And if you didn't do anything like this before...look forward to my next CD! Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 2 02:39:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01812; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 02:38:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 02:38:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021102004034.00909c80@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 00:40:34 -0700 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: strange loops In-Reply-To: <000201c2820d$c6cacb40$0601a8c0@SATAN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id CAA01777 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, thanks for such an interesting post. While I haven't looped specifically in the terms you mentioned yet, there are a couple of things I like to do which evolve loops musically in addition to evolving using sonic textures. One is to begin a loop in a certain key, or with the illusion of a certain key, and then gradually introduce certain specific notes which give the loop a dissonant quality, and then bring out the tone of a new key, resolving the perceived dissonance. Another idea I like is to bring out different modal ideas from a loop either by evolving the loop, soloing different ways along with it, or by adding to it, and then subtracting again, and then going somewhere else... I particularly enjoy the former with vocal looping, as I, like quite a few others here, it seems, really like the Lux Eterna dissonant vocal idea. Anyway, thanks again for your post. Have a wonderful evening!... Smiles, CQ At 02:18 AM 11/2/02 +0100, you wrote: >Hey Loopers, > >has anyone of you experience with what Douglas Hofstadter calls "strange >loops" in a musical sense? >Hofstadter uses the mentioned term in his book Gödel, Escher, Bach for >strange recursions of any kind. He starts by giving an example of canons by >JS Bach which progress chromatically, i.e. when one voice of the canon has >been played once, it ends one tone higher and is thus repeated the second >time transposed, and so on... > >While working on my next heavily loop-based album "Sauflieder Band 2: >Extreme Ambient Terror", I got the idea that the inherent pitch-shifting >possibilities of the Repeater would make it easy hardware-wise to do this >kind of thing.(anyone else can of course do exactly the same what I'm about >to describe using another looper and an external pitch shifter...) > >*** WARNING !!! LONG MUSIC THEORY BABBLE AHEAD *** > >One of my studies is based on a harmonic progression which, starting in the >key of C, goes like this: > >Cm D7 Fm6 G7 Cm7 Ebm7 F#7 F > >taking a look at the functions of these chords in a C scale (and ignoring >for one moment 7ths and 6ths et al), we have: > >t DD s D t Dp DS(sub) S >(t tonic, d dominant, s subdominant, p parallel, g antiparallel, sub >substitution, uppercase=major, lowercase=minor)) > >This works ok as a strange plagal turnaround (which GF handel did like a >lot) in C key. But if we take a look at the last chords and assume for one >moment we're in Bb minor, this becomes: > >...dd s DD(sub) D > >...so we can append here the start of the loop transposed two semitones >downward. But there's more: Assume we have the loop running in reverse, the >first chord is F, so let's assume for one moment we're in the key of F, the >functions of the second half (= the first half reversed) become: > >...DD t sG d > >which is ok. But if we again do the analysis in the key of G (which is >incidentially F transposed one step up), we get: > >...T dG D s > >...and again, we can append the start (=the end) of the loop transposed two >semitones upwards. > >So we have a loop which we can either run as is, and it makes sense >harmonically, or we can "think differen" and just pitch down two steps for >each round, and after seven rounds, we're back in the key of C. And if we >change our mind halfway, we just kick in reverse, and progress back up. > > >Another step I took was using polyphonic lines which tend to transpose >themselves (in the Bach way) and even make sense when combined in different >transpositions. Take the following passive theme (=a bassline): > >C Bb D C E Ab C > >This is based on a wholetone scale, so the conventional harmonic functional >theory does not apply in exactly the same way. Still, we have at the end a >progression which is centered around Bb, and if seen reversed at the end >(=the beginning) an ascending line leading to D. So again, we can use this >loop to transpose down in one and up in the other direction. What makes the >use of the scale extra appealing is the fact that the notes of the scale >stay the same no matter where I transpose, thus, I can use a steady active >theme (=a melody) and have it running forwards and backwards and do similair >tricks. >Of course, it is also interesting here to use an active theme which does >similair things. One I worked out transposes upwards, and I have two copies >of it on adjacent tracks of the repeater, on of them recorded forward and >one reverse. So the bassline and the melody either transpose in opposite >directions (forward) or in unisono (backward). What makes this a little bit >tricky is the modus operandi: I currently use a FCB1010 to transpose the >bassline to its 7 discrete levels and to switch into reverse, at the same >time sending mute/unmute commands to the two tracks containing the melody >forward and reverse, and use a keyboard to control the two melodies' pitch. > > >So much of thinking aloud for today...and here back to my question: has any >of you ever done anything similair, and perhaps is able to offer some useful >hints (either for use of equipment to realize this stuff, or, more >importantly, hints for composing this way). > >And if you didn't do anything like this before...look forward to my next CD! > > > Rainer > >Rainer Straschill >Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de >digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de >The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 2 03:01:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02947; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 03:00:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 03:00:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: strange loops Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:59:59 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20021102004034.00909c80@pop.earthlink.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <73rAGB.A.3t.iY4w9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't play with the gender of sound in that way. It might cause the Repeater to sputter and burst into flame. -----Original Message----- From: Goddess [mailto:thefates@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 11:41 PM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: strange loops Hi, thanks for such an interesting post. While I haven't looped specifically in the terms you mentioned yet, there are a couple of things I like to do which evolve loops musically in addition to evolving using sonic textures. One is to begin a loop in a certain key, or with the illusion of a certain key, and then gradually introduce certain specific notes which give the loop a dissonant quality, and then bring out the tone of a new key, resolving the perceived dissonance. Another idea I like is to bring out different modal ideas from a loop either by evolving the loop, soloing different ways along with it, or by adding to it, and then subtracting again, and then going somewhere else... I particularly enjoy the former with vocal looping, as I, like quite a few others here, it seems, really like the Lux Eterna dissonant vocal idea. Anyway, thanks again for your post. Have a wonderful evening!... Smiles, CQ At 02:18 AM 11/2/02 +0100, you wrote: >Hey Loopers, > >has anyone of you experience with what Douglas Hofstadter calls "strange >loops" in a musical sense? >Hofstadter uses the mentioned term in his book Gödel, Escher, Bach for >strange recursions of any kind. He starts by giving an example of canons by >JS Bach which progress chromatically, i.e. when one voice of the canon has >been played once, it ends one tone higher and is thus repeated the second >time transposed, and so on... > >While working on my next heavily loop-based album "Sauflieder Band 2: >Extreme Ambient Terror", I got the idea that the inherent pitch-shifting >possibilities of the Repeater would make it easy hardware-wise to do this >kind of thing.(anyone else can of course do exactly the same what I'm about >to describe using another looper and an external pitch shifter...) > >*** WARNING !!! LONG MUSIC THEORY BABBLE AHEAD *** > >One of my studies is based on a harmonic progression which, starting in the >key of C, goes like this: > >Cm D7 Fm6 G7 Cm7 Ebm7 F#7 F > >taking a look at the functions of these chords in a C scale (and ignoring >for one moment 7ths and 6ths et al), we have: > >t DD s D t Dp DS(sub) S >(t tonic, d dominant, s subdominant, p parallel, g antiparallel, sub >substitution, uppercase=major, lowercase=minor)) > >This works ok as a strange plagal turnaround (which GF handel did like a >lot) in C key. But if we take a look at the last chords and assume for one >moment we're in Bb minor, this becomes: > >...dd s DD(sub) D > >...so we can append here the start of the loop transposed two semitones >downward. But there's more: Assume we have the loop running in reverse, the >first chord is F, so let's assume for one moment we're in the key of F, the >functions of the second half (= the first half reversed) become: > >...DD t sG d > >which is ok. But if we again do the analysis in the key of G (which is >incidentially F transposed one step up), we get: > >...T dG D s > >...and again, we can append the start (=the end) of the loop transposed two >semitones upwards. > >So we have a loop which we can either run as is, and it makes sense >harmonically, or we can "think differen" and just pitch down two steps for >each round, and after seven rounds, we're back in the key of C. And if we >change our mind halfway, we just kick in reverse, and progress back up. > > >Another step I took was using polyphonic lines which tend to transpose >themselves (in the Bach way) and even make sense when combined in different >transpositions. Take the following passive theme (=a bassline): > >C Bb D C E Ab C > >This is based on a wholetone scale, so the conventional harmonic functional >theory does not apply in exactly the same way. Still, we have at the end a >progression which is centered around Bb, and if seen reversed at the end >(=the beginning) an ascending line leading to D. So again, we can use this >loop to transpose down in one and up in the other direction. What makes the >use of the scale extra appealing is the fact that the notes of the scale >stay the same no matter where I transpose, thus, I can use a steady active >theme (=a melody) and have it running forwards and backwards and do similair >tricks. >Of course, it is also interesting here to use an active theme which does >similair things. One I worked out transposes upwards, and I have two copies >of it on adjacent tracks of the repeater, on of them recorded forward and >one reverse. So the bassline and the melody either transpose in opposite >directions (forward) or in unisono (backward). What makes this a little bit >tricky is the modus operandi: I currently use a FCB1010 to transpose the >bassline to its 7 discrete levels and to switch into reverse, at the same >time sending mute/unmute commands to the two tracks containing the melody >forward and reverse, and use a keyboard to control the two melodies' pitch. > > >So much of thinking aloud for today...and here back to my question: has any >of you ever done anything similair, and perhaps is able to offer some useful >hints (either for use of equipment to realize this stuff, or, more >importantly, hints for composing this way). > >And if you didn't do anything like this before...look forward to my next CD! > > > Rainer > >Rainer Straschill >Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de >digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de >The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 2 03:14:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03738; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 03:11:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 03:11:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: strange loops Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:10:56 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I must assert that dissonance is not for the heart to endure. And thus not the ears either. Playing with it means a mild rocking banging for eternity Or maybe it's the torture of Prometheus. -----Original Message----- From: MIKO [mailto:m-i-k-o@attbi.com] Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 12:00 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: strange loops Don't play with the gender of sound in that way. It might cause the Repeater to sputter and burst into flame. -----Original Message----- From: Goddess [mailto:thefates@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 11:41 PM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: strange loops Hi, thanks for such an interesting post. While I haven't looped specifically in the terms you mentioned yet, there are a couple of things I like to do which evolve loops musically in addition to evolving using sonic textures. One is to begin a loop in a certain key, or with the illusion of a certain key, and then gradually introduce certain specific notes which give the loop a dissonant quality, and then bring out the tone of a new key, resolving the perceived dissonance. Another idea I like is to bring out different modal ideas from a loop either by evolving the loop, soloing different ways along with it, or by adding to it, and then subtracting again, and then going somewhere else... I particularly enjoy the former with vocal looping, as I, like quite a few others here, it seems, really like the Lux Eterna dissonant vocal idea. Anyway, thanks again for your post. Have a wonderful evening!... Smiles, CQ At 02:18 AM 11/2/02 +0100, you wrote: >Hey Loopers, > >has anyone of you experience with what Douglas Hofstadter calls "strange >loops" in a musical sense? >Hofstadter uses the mentioned term in his book Gödel, Escher, Bach for >strange recursions of any kind. He starts by giving an example of canons by >JS Bach which progress chromatically, i.e. when one voice of the canon has >been played once, it ends one tone higher and is thus repeated the second >time transposed, and so on... > >While working on my next heavily loop-based album "Sauflieder Band 2: >Extreme Ambient Terror", I got the idea that the inherent pitch-shifting >possibilities of the Repeater would make it easy hardware-wise to do this >kind of thing.(anyone else can of course do exactly the same what I'm about >to describe using another looper and an external pitch shifter...) > >*** WARNING !!! LONG MUSIC THEORY BABBLE AHEAD *** > >One of my studies is based on a harmonic progression which, starting in the >key of C, goes like this: > >Cm D7 Fm6 G7 Cm7 Ebm7 F#7 F > >taking a look at the functions of these chords in a C scale (and ignoring >for one moment 7ths and 6ths et al), we have: > >t DD s D t Dp DS(sub) S >(t tonic, d dominant, s subdominant, p parallel, g antiparallel, sub >substitution, uppercase=major, lowercase=minor)) > >This works ok as a strange plagal turnaround (which GF handel did like a >lot) in C key. But if we take a look at the last chords and assume for one >moment we're in Bb minor, this becomes: > >...dd s DD(sub) D > >...so we can append here the start of the loop transposed two semitones >downward. But there's more: Assume we have the loop running in reverse, the >first chord is F, so let's assume for one moment we're in the key of F, the >functions of the second half (= the first half reversed) become: > >...DD t sG d > >which is ok. But if we again do the analysis in the key of G (which is >incidentially F transposed one step up), we get: > >...T dG D s > >...and again, we can append the start (=the end) of the loop transposed two >semitones upwards. > >So we have a loop which we can either run as is, and it makes sense >harmonically, or we can "think differen" and just pitch down two steps for >each round, and after seven rounds, we're back in the key of C. And if we >change our mind halfway, we just kick in reverse, and progress back up. > > >Another step I took was using polyphonic lines which tend to transpose >themselves (in the Bach way) and even make sense when combined in different >transpositions. Take the following passive theme (=a bassline): > >C Bb D C E Ab C > >This is based on a wholetone scale, so the conventional harmonic functional >theory does not apply in exactly the same way. Still, we have at the end a >progression which is centered around Bb, and if seen reversed at the end >(=the beginning) an ascending line leading to D. So again, we can use this >loop to transpose down in one and up in the other direction. What makes the >use of the scale extra appealing is the fact that the notes of the scale >stay the same no matter where I transpose, thus, I can use a steady active >theme (=a melody) and have it running forwards and backwards and do similair >tricks. >Of course, it is also interesting here to use an active theme which does >similair things. One I worked out transposes upwards, and I have two copies >of it on adjacent tracks of the repeater, on of them recorded forward and >one reverse. So the bassline and the melody either transpose in opposite >directions (forward) or in unisono (backward). What makes this a little bit >tricky is the modus operandi: I currently use a FCB1010 to transpose the >bassline to its 7 discrete levels and to switch into reverse, at the same >time sending mute/unmute commands to the two tracks containing the melody >forward and reverse, and use a keyboard to control the two melodies' pitch. > > >So much of thinking aloud for today...and here back to my question: has any >of you ever done anything similair, and perhaps is able to offer some useful >hints (either for use of equipment to realize this stuff, or, more >importantly, hints for composing this way). > >And if you didn't do anything like this before...look forward to my next CD! > > > Rainer > >Rainer Straschill >Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de >digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de >The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 2 03:18:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04159; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 03:17:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 03:17:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: Sender: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Test Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:17:24 -0800 Message-ID: <000801c28248$4a0fc980$9707f843@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com test From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 2 03:46:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05418; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 03:43:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 03:43:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021102084251.14215.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:42:51 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Repeater "erase all loops" with ground control To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Gang, A friend of mine is trying to "erase all loops" with his ground control foot controller without much success.Is this possible at all? i know it can send PCs to five diferent chanels and ccs. I have the FCB1010 and it works fine.Anybody outhere using the repeater and GC? cu Louie ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 2 04:09:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06854; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 04:07:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 04:07:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Repeater "erase all loops" with ground control Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 01:06:34 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20021102084251.14215.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Major Tom was, but then he found himself floating in his tin can far above the world. Can you hear me Major Tom? LOL -----Original Message----- From: Louie Angulo [mailto:laab2000us@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 12:43 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater "erase all loops" with ground control Hi Gang, A friend of mine is trying to "erase all loops" with his ground control foot controller without much success.Is this possible at all? i know it can send PCs to five diferent chanels and ccs. I have the FCB1010 and it works fine.Anybody outhere using the repeater and GC? cu Louie ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 2 08:02:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16970; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:01:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:01:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 07:00:27 -0600 Subject: Seeking EDP's for sale From: Tom Roady To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3119065227_723590_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3119065227_723590_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Bongos...Zendrum ..whatever kuntry music needs...I thought you just chanted to krishna? by the way how's your loop IV going...tr.....together I guess we do have a pair of EDP's From: Kirby Shelstad Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 11:06:42 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Seeking EDP's for sale? i thought you were a bongo player k Tom Roady wrote: From: Looping9string@aol.com Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:54:13 EST To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Seeking EDP's for sale? I have been collaborating with a ZEN drummer using my pair of Gibson EDP's... In our collaboration and discussion we have concluded that He needs his own pair of EDP's as well, to do what we currently have in mind... He would like to find one used and or, at a reasonable / best price... BOTH with the floor pedal controllers. Any leads and / or suggestions? He is interested in just getting at least one for now so please contact me if you have one or a pair that you would consider selling. I TOO PLAY ZENDRUMS WITH JUST ONE EDP...I'VE BEEN WANTING TO GET MY HANDS ON ANOTHER ONE ALSO FOR STEREO LOOPING...LET ME KNOW IF YOU FIND 3...TOM ROADY --MS_Mac_OE_3119065227_723590_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Seeking EDP's for sale Bongos...Zendrum ..whatever kuntry music needs...I thoug= ht you just chanted to krishna?

by the way how's your loop IV going...tr.....together I guess we do have a = pair of EDP's

From: Kirby Shelstad <kirbyshelstad= @mindspring.com>
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 11:06:42 -0600
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Seeking EDP's for sale?

i thought you were a bongo player

k

Tom Roady wrote:
From: Looping9string@aol.com
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:54:13 EST
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=
Subject: Seeking EDP's for sale?
I have been collaborating with a ZEN drummer using my pair of Gibson ED= P's...

In our collaboration and discussion we have concluded that He needs his= own
pair of EDP's as well, to do what we currently have in mind...
He would like to find one used and or, at a reasonable / best price...<= /TT>

BOTH with the floor pedal controllers.

Any leads and / or suggestions?

He is interested in just getting at least one for now so please contact= me if
you have one or a pair that you would consider selling.

I TOO PLAY ZENDRUMS WITH JUST ONE EDP...I'VE BEEN WANTING TO GET MY HAN= DS ON ANOTHER ONE ALSO FOR STEREO LOOPING...LET ME KNOW IF YOU FIND 3...TOM = ROADY
--MS_Mac_OE_3119065227_723590_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 2 08:16:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17787; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:15:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:15:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021103000759.026f6540@phaesler.org> X-Sender: woz@phaesler.org (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 00:09:21 +1100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Woz Subject: Loop station Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <4U8wGD.A.fVE.m_8w9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi. Has anyone heard of a device called loop station. I think it's by either Boss or Roland. Apparently it has enormous looping time. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 2 09:32:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20622; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:24:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:24:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Loop station Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 06:23:45 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021103000759.026f6540@phaesler.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Roland? -----Original Message----- From: Woz [mailto:woz@phaesler.org] Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 5:09 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loop station Hi. Has anyone heard of a device called loop station. I think it's by either Boss or Roland. Apparently it has enormous looping time. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 2 10:07:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22558; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 10:07:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 10:07:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021102150623.67807.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 07:06:23 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Loop station To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021103000759.026f6540@phaesler.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-494621452-1036249583=:67792" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-494621452-1036249583=:67792 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yep, that's the RC-20. Have a look on the "Tools of the Trade" page at LD. http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/tools.html There's a lot of discussion in the archives about it from last summer-ish when it came out... -t- Woz wrote:Hi. Has anyone heard of a device called loop station. I think it's by either Boss or Roland. Apparently it has enormous looping time. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now --0-494621452-1036249583=:67792 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Yep, that's the RC-20. Have a look on the "Tools of the Trade" page at LD. http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/tools.html

There's a lot of discussion in the archives about it from last summer-ish when it came out...

-t-

 Woz <woz@phaesler.org> wrote:

Hi. Has anyone heard of a device called loop station. I think it's by
either Boss or Roland. Apparently it has enormous looping time.


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HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now --0-494621452-1036249583=:67792-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 2 12:49:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31642; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:48:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:48:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bb01c28297$e11ad5a0$73635cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Top 20 Monthly Report for October, 2002 Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:46:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <-rbcoB.A.4tH.F_Ax9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 report to New Age Voice and CD Revolutions for October, 2002. Shows #289 to #293; 3-October-2002 to 31-October-2002 Reported in non-ranked order. CONTACT: billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ============================ Alpha Wave Movement - A Distant Signal - HRR Cyber Zen Sound Engine - Auslander - N-Light-N Free System Projekt - Atmospheric Conditions - Quantum Harold Grosskopf - Digital Nomad - AMP Jeff Greinke - Wide View - Hypnos Jeff Pearce - Daylight Slowly - Hypnos Jeff Pearce - The Hidden Rift - Ancient Sun Jeff Pearce - The Light Beyond - Hypnos Jeff Pearce - To the Shores of Heaven - Hypnos Jeff Pearce - Vestiges - Jeff Pearce Music Klause Schulze - Contemporary Works 1 - Rainhorse Mark Jenkins - Sequencer Loops - AMP Metlay! - Live in Denver - Atomic City Mike Griffin and Dave Fulton - Imprint - Hypnos Ozone Player - E - Visual Power Richard Pinhas - Event and Repetition - Cuneiform Stars of the Lid - Avec Laudenum - Kranky Various Artists - Sequences No. 27 - Sequences vidnaObmana - An Opera for Four Fusion Works - Hypnos Wave World - Cloudseeder - VFR From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 2 13:05:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00329; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:05:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:05:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DC414CF.5F20D9B3@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 12:09:19 -0600 From: Kirby Shelstad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Seeking EDP's for sale References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------A35D32F729B3BB478680DDEC" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------A35D32F729B3BB478680DDEC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit then you must need some of these [Image] http://www.johnsonsmith.com/images/P32647B.jpg a pair of EDP\s? Extra Demented Percussionist gotcha, k Tom Roady wrote: > Bongos...Zendrum ..whatever kuntry music needs...I thought you just > chanted to krishna? > > by the way how's your loop IV going...tr.....together I guess we do > have a pair of EDP's > > From: Kirby Shelstad > Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 11:06:42 -0600 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Seeking EDP's for sale? > > i thought you were a bongo player > > k > > Tom Roady wrote: > > From: Looping9string@aol.com > Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:54:13 EST > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Seeking EDP's for sale? > I have been collaborating with a ZEN drummer using my pair > of Gibson EDP's... > > In our collaboration and discussion we have concluded that > He needs his own > pair of EDP's as well, to do what we currently have in > mind... > > He would like to find one used and or, at a reasonable / > best price... > > BOTH with the floor pedal controllers. > > Any leads and / or suggestions? > > He is interested in just getting at least one for now so > please contact me if > you have one or a pair that you would consider selling. > > I TOO PLAY ZENDRUMS WITH JUST ONE EDP...I'VE BEEN WANTING TO > GET MY HANDS ON ANOTHER ONE ALSO FOR STEREO LOOPING...LET ME > KNOW IF YOU FIND 3...TOM ROADY > --------------A35D32F729B3BB478680DDEC Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------87EBB31419756F043D155752" --------------87EBB31419756F043D155752 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit then you must need some of these

http://www.johnsonsmith.com/images/P32647B.jpg

a pair of EDP\s?

Extra Demented Percussionist

gotcha,

k

Tom Roady wrote:

Bongos...Zendrum ..whatever kuntry music needs...I thought you just chanted to krishna?

by the way how's your loop IV going...tr.....together I guess we do have a pair of EDP's

From: Kirby Shelstad <kirbyshelstad@mindspring.com>
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 11:06:42 -0600
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Seeking EDP's for sale?

i thought you were a bongo player

k

Tom Roady wrote:

From: Looping9string@aol.com
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:54:13 EST
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Seeking EDP's for sale?
I have been collaborating with a ZEN drummer using my pair of Gibson EDP's...

In our collaboration and discussion we have concluded that He needs his own
pair of EDP's as well, to do what we currently have in mind...

He would like to find one used and or, at a reasonable / best price...

BOTH with the floor pedal controllers.

Any leads and / or suggestions?

He is interested in just getting at least one for now so please contact me if
you have one or a pair that you would consider selling.

I TOO PLAY ZENDRUMS WITH JUST ONE EDP...I'VE BEEN WANTING TO GET MY HANDS ON ANOTHER ONE ALSO FOR STEREO LOOPING...LET ME KNOW IF YOU FIND 3...TOM ROADY

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2 Nov 2002 13:14:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DC4171E.71CFA35A@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 12:19:09 -0600 From: Kirby Shelstad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Seeking Switches Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0_F4hB.A.iS.ZYBx9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I broke the Record Button last nite in a jam, didn;t realize how attached I gotten to having loopiing right there when you want it. are these available most anywhere or doe someone here have a source? this is for the EDP floor-switch board. thanks kirby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 2 13:17:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01419; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:17:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:17:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DC41600.AF4FB0A1@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 12:14:23 -0600 From: Kirby Shelstad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Seeking EDP Switches References: <3DC2B4A2.A5125C8A@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I broke the Record Button last nite in a jam, didn;t realize how attached I gotten to having loopiing right there when you want it. are these available most anywhere or doe someone here have a source? this is for the EDP floor-switch board. thanks kirby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 2 13:24:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01825; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:21:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:21:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20021102150623.67807.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021102150623.67807.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:19:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Loop station Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Yep, that's the RC-20. Have a look on the "Tools of the Trade" page >at LD. >http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/tools.html > >There's a lot of discussion in the archives about it from last >summer-ish when it came out... I was at a party where there were three musicians and one made heavy use of an RC-20 yesterday (also a looper's delight member, Robb Monn, but I didn't get a chance to ask him about the unit). There were also three, count 'em, three DL-4s -- one player had two and one player had none. I'm a big DL-4 fan myself... http://noumena.nervous.net/ is I think their website.... /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 2 13:33:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02344; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:30:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:30:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 13:29:47 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Ethel in the NY Times again??? To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Message-id: <022e01c2829d$d3008c20$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/02/arts/music/02ETHE.html >At the feet of each musician is a small metal effects box that, at >the touch of a toe, couches the player's sound in reverb, >tape delay and various kinds of distortion - embellishments >that rock guitarists take for granted but that violinists, violists >and cellists hardly ever use. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 2 13:53:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03893; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:50:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:50:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008901c282a1$e90d3e60$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <022e01c2829d$d3008c20$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Re: Ethel in the NY Times again??? Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:59:02 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <7LWwkD.A.m7.94Bx9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/02/arts/music/02ETHE.html > > >At the feet of each musician is a small metal effects box that, at > >the touch of a toe, couches the player's sound in reverb, > >tape delay and various kinds of distortion - embellishments > >that rock guitarists take for granted but that violinists, violists > >and cellists hardly ever use. > > * David Beardsley http://www.theambientping.com/cheryl_o/photos.html Hearing that string quartet, all with f/x, would be great. Hopefully they'll play Toronto sometime. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 2 15:57:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11055; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 15:53:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 15:53:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00da01c282b3$3852c2e0$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Chris Alexander & the Widening Gyre Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:02:57 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday Nov. 5th - Chris Alexander & the Widening Gyre The Widening Gyre (opening) - will present his take on ambient new wave. Exclaim magazine remarked that Ryan Hagerman's second release 'les landes' "evok(ed) a strong nostalgic sense ... reminiscent of 80's synth pop tunes". The evening will feature re-mixed versions of old tunes as well as some new compositions. Chris Alexander brings his unique blend of operatic, cinematic electronic noise to the Ping, fresh from his Halloween showcase with local legend Nash the Slash. Alexander's fetish for dark, moody European horror films are reflected in his music; a jet black blanket of baroque sound that echoes artists as diverse as Goblin, Popol Vuh and Ennio Morricone with a little bit of John Carpenter & Tangerine Dream thrown in for good measure. (Alexander's current release is the 30 minute "drone opera" PLANET OF THE VAMPIRES, an alternate soundtrack to the groundbreaking 1965 Mario Bava film of the same name.) Between Sets CD - "Chance Encounters in the Garden of Lights" (disk 2) by Bill Nelson (Cocteau Records - 1988) Short instrumental vignettes conceived during moments of stillness or "magical vacuity" influenced by the "automatic drawing" techniques of Austin Osman Spare. Arguably, this is guitarist, synthesist, vocalist & experimenter Bill Nelson's most ambient disc. http://www.billnelson.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the PiNG THiNGS ambient/experimental CD boutique. Drop off food at PiNG THiNGS for the Daily Bread Food Bank too. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday November 12th 2002 - James Johnson with dreamSTATE and Wally Jericho James Johnson - http://www.zeromusic.net dreamSTATE - http://www.dreamstate.to Wally Jericho - http://www.wallyjericho.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's PiNG THiNGS' CD REViEWs naw - "gibberish" Fans of the laptop music scene will surely be interested in hearing "gibberish" by naw. This nine song collection of glitchy and granulated sounds is a fascinating study in minimal beats covering a wide variety of styles. A little dub, a little tech, a little bit of this and a little bit of that make for an engaging and entertaining listen. "gibberish" is volume 8 in the Piehead Recordings' Subscription Series, and is available at PiNG THiNGS for $15. More naw info - http://www.noisefactoryrecords.com/naw.htm More info about the Piehead Recordings' Subscription Series - http://www.pieheadrecords.com rik maclean - torment@corpusnet.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 2 18:45:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20745; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 18:44:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 18:44:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DC463AE.AEA48451@cloud9.net> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 18:45:50 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Seeking EDP's for sale References: <200211021833.NAA02515@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------D9C2B74659B4FAB6AB367F3B" X-AntiVirus: checked by Vexira MailArmor (version: 2.0.1.7; VAE: 6.16.0.0; VDF: 6.16.0.11; host: russian-caravan.cloud9.net) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------D9C2B74659B4FAB6AB367F3B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WHOAH!!!! I *need* a pair of those!! I just placed my order! Thanks, Kirby! :) Elby > > Subject: Re: Seeking EDP's for sale > Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 12:09:19 -0600 > From: Kirby Shelstad > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > then you must need some of these > > [Image] > > http://www.johnsonsmith.com/images/P32647B.jpg > > a pair of EDP\s? > > Extra Demented Percussionist > > gotcha, > > k --------------D9C2B74659B4FAB6AB367F3B Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------7D564D58B0E23CFCC4A0A33C" --------------7D564D58B0E23CFCC4A0A33C Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WHOAH!!!!   I *need* a pair of those!!   I just placed my order!  Thanks, Kirby!  :)

Elby
 

 
Subject: Re: Seeking EDP's for sale
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 12:09:19 -0600
From: Kirby Shelstad <kirbyshelstad@mindspring.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

then you must need some of these

http://www.johnsonsmith.com/images/P32647B.jpg

a pair of EDP\s?

Extra Demented Percussionist

gotcha,

k

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2 Nov 2002 23:55:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021103045529.18749.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 20:55:29 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re:Radio Massacre International To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200211020701.CAA32497@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <<>>but apart from one album that Wayside Music presently carries, I don't seem to be able to find too much of itavailable here in the US. Care to name any retailers on the web who take Mastercard (unlike Fiedling Melisch, I don't have Diner's Club OR Bank Of America) who stock your albums?<< jeez- which one is that? ONE title?>> Planets In The Wires, so says the Wayside website (which, incidentally, is the same guys who run Cuneiform Records). What's funny is, I found out they had it because the search engine on their website returns every entry that has whatever you're searching for in the title or description. So, if you do a search on Klaus Schulze, for instance, you get back not only all the Klaus Schulze titles they stock, but also anything where they mention Schulze's name in the description. While it turns up interesting surprises such as the RMI title in question (which I will have to try to remember when I put in my next order with those guys), it can be frustrating if you're looking for stuff in particular by that one musician or group or whatever. I'll have to take another look at Eurock. I've been visiting their site lately as I've been wanting to get that 50 CD Klaus Schulze boxset ever since it first appeared, but haven't taken as much notice of other things they have listed. I'll have to see what they have by you guys. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 3 02:07:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA21058; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 02:07:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 02:07:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021102224847.03e8c3a0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 23:08:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, loopers From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Seeking Switches In-Reply-To: <3DC4171E.71CFA35A@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com order a new switch, mouser #10PA005, here: http://www.mouser.com/index.cfm?handler=productsearch._listproductsearch&searchtype=starts+with&criteria=10PA005&searchby=PartNumber&x=13&y=8 it is simple to replace with nominal soldering skills. kim At 10:19 AM 11/2/2002, Kirby Shelstad wrote: >I broke the Record Button last nite in a jam, > >didn;t realize how attached I gotten to having loopiing right there when >you want it. > >are these available most anywhere or doe someone here have a source? > >this is for the EDP floor-switch board. > >thanks > >kirby ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 3 04:37:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA01892; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 04:36:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 04:36:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: Subject: More EDP/LoopIV Problems Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 03:36:32 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <2LNgU.A.dd.J4Ox9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, tonight during my gig I had a loop going for about 5 minutes and then it stopped and erased everything. This is starting to bum me out. I never had a problem with Loop III so I don't know if it's a software issue or the pedals (standard EDP model) or the EDP itself. -Arthur Lee www.arthurleemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 3 15:42:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19770; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:38:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:38:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DC58999.388CD920@friendlyspider.com> Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 14:39:54 -0600 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: DigiTech XP-200 Modulator... References: <200210281804.NAA05012@hemlock.violacea.com> <00be01c29767$ce9b38e0$e364f93f@global> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com American Musical Supply has the DigiTech XP-200 Modulator on sale for $89.... It gets mixed reviews at Harmony-Central... Anybody have one and can you control vibrato (pitch modulation) with the footpedal......ei, the rate or the depth ? And how would you compare it to say, EH's the Wiggler....? -- gary @friendlyspider.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 4 08:29:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA29702; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:27:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:27:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: Tom Heasley L.A. gig address Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 05:26:29 -0800 Message-ID: <000a01c28405$c9769550$6401a8c0@om> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone have the address for Tom Heasley's gig at "Line Space Line", Los Angeles, CA (11/4)? Thanks- Cliff www.om-studios.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 4 08:44:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30554; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:40:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:40:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: audio from gig in illinois cave?! Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:39:29 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Tom Heasley L.A. gig address Thread-Index: AcKEBkbogrxd1JjXQY2uTfO0PPApNwAAuI/Q From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2002 13:39:30.0491 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A1B40B0:01C28407] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id IAA30492 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loopers, Hey, I played a solo electric guitar and loops gig in Carbondale, IL over the weekend .It was teh Shawnee 3 day Halloween music festival and it was really cool as it was held in a cave!!! a Natural ampitheatre type thing!! WEll, check otu the venue here: http://www.dtguitar.com/carbondale/shawnee_3.htm if you ever get the chance to play there, I highly recommen it jsut for the cool factor. Oh Ihave a small audio clip mp3 from the concert which you can here here: http://www.dtguitar.com/carbondalemp3.mp3 I used 2 boomerangs and a jamman.....let me know what you think if you would Thanks Denis Denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 4 11:04:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09607; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:03:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:03:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021104160206.70963.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:02:06 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Tom Heasley L.A. gig address To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000a01c28405$c9769550$6401a8c0@om> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-819341313-1036425726=:70240" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-819341313-1036425726=:70240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ElectroAcousticMusic has it thusly: Tom Heasley ambient tuba also, Vinny Golia & Eric Barber Duo Salvation Theater 1519 Griffith Park Blvd. Silver Lake Los Angeles, CA USA November 4, 2002 8:00 PM Say Hi to Tom for me. -t- Clifford Novey wrote:Does anyone have the address for Tom Heasley's gig at "Line Space Line", Los Angeles, CA (11/4)? Thanks- Cliff www.om-studios.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now --0-819341313-1036425726=:70240 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

ElectroAcousticMusic has it thusly:

Tom Heasley ambient tuba

also, Vinny Golia & Eric Barber Duo

Salvation Theater
1519 Griffith Park Blvd.
Silver Lake
Los Angeles, CA USA
November 4, 2002
8:00 PM

Say Hi to Tom for me.

-t-

 Clifford Novey <om@om-studios.com> wrote:

Does anyone have the address for Tom Heasley's gig at "Line Space Line",
Los Angeles, CA (11/4)?
Thanks-
Cliff

www.om-studios.com



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HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now --0-819341313-1036425726=:70240-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 4 19:39:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24431; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:35:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:35:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c28464$06932da0$6700a8c0@fred> From: "Anthony Jackson" To: References: <20021104160206.70963.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: unsubscribe Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:41:05 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C284C0.39D8EC20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C284C0.39D8EC20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tim Nelson=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:02 AM Subject: Re: Tom Heasley L.A. gig address ElectroAcousticMusic has it thusly: Tom Heasley ambient tuba also, Vinny Golia & Eric Barber Duo Salvation Theater 1519 Griffith Park Blvd. Silver Lake Los Angeles, CA USA November 4, 2002 8:00 PM Say Hi to Tom for me. -t- Clifford Novey wrote:=20 Does anyone have the address for Tom Heasley's gig at "Line Space = Line", Los Angeles, CA (11/4)? Thanks-=20 Cliff www.om-studios.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C284C0.39D8EC20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tim = Nelson=20
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Sent: Tuesday, November 05, = 2002 3:02=20 AM
Subject: Re: Tom Heasley L.A. = gig=20 address

ElectroAcousticMusic has it thusly:

Tom Heasley ambient tuba

also, Vinny Golia & Eric Barber = Duo

Salvation Theater
1519 Griffith Park Blvd.
Silver Lake
Los = Angeles, CA USA
November 4, 2002
8:00 PM

Say Hi to Tom for me.

-t-

 Clifford Novey <om@om-studios.com> = wrote:=20 Does=20 anyone have the address for Tom Heasley's gig at "Line Space = Line",
Los=20 Angeles, CA (11/4)?
Thanks-=20
Cliff

www.om-studios.com



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HotJobs=20 - Search new jobs daily now ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C284C0.39D8EC20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 4 20:11:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27515; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:10:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:10:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:10:17 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: More EDP/LoopIV Problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Well, tonight during my gig I had a loop going for about 5 minutes and then >it stopped and erased everything. This is starting to bum me out. I never >had a problem with Loop III so I don't know if it's a software issue or the >pedals (standard EDP model) or the EDP itself. >-Arthur Lee >www.arthurleemusic.com Did you do the tests I posted on Friday? If you think its too dificult, just ask! I am very sorry that a technical problem for which I feel responsible to some degree spoiled another gig of yours, but all I can to is try to help you by email. And we may succeed before the next gig... so here the test again: - connect any cable to the BrotherSync input and hold the tip to some ground point (a screw on the cabinet or so) and see whether the problem appears. - heat just the simms (with a hair dryer for example) to se whether the problem appears. - take out the two SIMMs closer to the front pannel (U38/39, the others are essencial) to see whether the problem disappears (even under the conditions above). -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 4 20:11:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27880; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:10:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:10:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3DC41600.AF4FB0A1@mindspring.com> References: <3DC2B4A2.A5125C8A@mindspring.com> <3DC41600.AF4FB0A1@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:10:17 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Seeking EDP Switches Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I broke the Record Button last nite in a jam, > >didn;t realize how attached I gotten to having loopiing right there when >you want it. are you talking about a habit or a addiction? In the later case you can flip the switches so the faulty is a less important one :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 4 20:11:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27964; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:11:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:11:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20021102150623.67807.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:10:17 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Loop station Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>Yep, that's the RC-20. Have a look on the "Tools of the Trade" page >>at LD. >>http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/tools.html >> >>There's a lot of discussion in the archives about it from last >>summer-ish when it came out... > >I was at a party where there were three musicians and one made heavy use >of an RC-20 yesterday (also a looper's delight member, Robb Monn, >but I didn't get a chance to ask him about the unit). > >There were also three, count 'em, three DL-4s -- one player had two >and one player had none. I'm a big DL-4 fan myself... > >http://noumena.nervous.net/ is I think their website.... I just dont understand how those people can play together without any sync? I mean, before musicans looped, didnt the mostly try to play together, tempowhise? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 4 20:33:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29851; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:32:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:32:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 17:35:07 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Loop station In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20021102150623.67807.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1BpL1.A.kPH.2-xx9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:10 PM -0200 11/4/02, Matthias Grob wrote: >I just dont understand how those people can play together without any sync? > >I mean, before musicans looped, didnt the mostly try to play >together, tempowhise? This is an interesting problem (or "opportunity" if you choose to look at it that way). Since I didn't hear this particular session I can't comment, but it reminds me of some networked performances I've witnessed, where performers were in different cities. The transmission latencies between the different locations were extreme, more than a half second in some cases. Two performances in particular took place between Santa Monica and Nice as part of the Manca Festival. In the first one Terry Riley was in Nice and David Rosenboom was in Santa Monica, both of them playing MIDI keyboards. Because both of them were experienced working with delays and fluid time structures, they had no trouble playing a duet that had no rigid meter. The overall tempo was pretty much the same, but each musician's part "slid" freely in and out of sync with the other's. The following year Terry was in Santa Monica, playing a duet with a French percussionist in Nice. In this case there was audio as well as MIDI being transmitted, so we had to make adjustments to the percussion part so that his audio and MIDI streams were in sync with each other. This performance was also good, though less thrilling than the one with David Rosenboom. I think a lot of looping performance is based on a different sense of time from non-looped music. It doesn't necessarily need to depend on a sub-pulse (or a "common beat" if you prefer). Even in the case of "pulsatile" music it is quite possible for different performers to march to their own separate "inner drummers." Anyone familiar with Steve Reich's phase music has encountered this sort of rhythmic consciousness. Conlon Nancarrow's music is another example of independent tempo streams, though Conlon had the advantage of mechanical players. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 4 21:30:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02271; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:27:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:27:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20021102150623.67807.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:26:49 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Loop station Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>I just dont understand how those people can play together without any sync? >> >>I mean, before musicans looped, didnt the mostly try to play >>together, tempowhise? > >This is an interesting problem (or "opportunity" if you choose to >look at it that way). > >Since I didn't hear this particular session I can't comment, but it >reminds me of some networked performances I've witnessed, where >performers were in different cities. The transmission latencies >between the different locations were extreme, more than a half >second in some cases. Two performances in particular took place >between Santa Monica and Nice as part of the Manca Festival. wow, thats even worse: the musicians did not hear the same version of their composition, right? ... >I think a lot of looping performance is based on a different sense >of time from non-looped music. It doesn't necessarily need to depend >on a sub-pulse (or a "common beat" if you prefer). Even in the case >of "pulsatile" music it is quite possible for different performers >to march to their own separate "inner drummers." Anyone familiar >with Steve Reich's phase music has encountered this sort of rhythmic >consciousness. Conlon Nancarrow's music is another example of >independent tempo streams, though Conlon had the advantage of >mechanical players. hm... this sounds as if it took machines to teach us to play off each other :-) ... or to valorize it. I also realized that some loops sound magic because they are not acurate, but I still try to learn to make them acurate. I dont doubt the shifting is interesting and sometimes expresses just perfectly. but to be limited to this all the time is different, no? This reminds me of the first session in Rio with Vania Dantas Leite. 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--0-1060212496-1036464271=:17315-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 5 00:19:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15347; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:18:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:18:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: RE: Tom Heasley L.A. gig address Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:18:09 -0800 Message-ID: <001a01c2848a$bb537f80$6401a8c0@om> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C28447.AD31C620" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <20021104160206.70963.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <-FHh1D.A.5uD.kS1x9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C28447.AD31C620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Tim- I only now just got home from work- bummer- maybe next time- Cliff www.om-studios.com -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 8:02 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tom Heasley L.A. gig address ElectroAcousticMusic has it thusly: Tom Heasley ambient tuba also, Vinny Golia & Eric Barber Duo Salvation Theater 1519 Griffith Park Blvd. Silver Lake Los Angeles, CA USA November 4, 2002 8:00 PM Say Hi to Tom for me. -t- Clifford Novey wrote: Does anyone have the address for Tom Heasley's gig at "Line Space Line", Los Angeles, CA (11/4)? Thanks- Cliff www.om-studios.com _____ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C28447.AD31C620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks Tim- I only now just got = home from work- bummer- maybe next time-

 

Cliff

 

www.om-studios.com

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, November = 04, 2002 8:02 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Tom Heasley = L.A. gig address

 

ElectroAcousticMusic has it = thusly:

Tom Heasley ambient tuba

also, Vinny Golia & Eric Barber Duo

Salvation Theater
1519 Griffith Park Blvd.
Silver Lake
Los Angeles, CA USA
November 4, 2002
8:00 PM

Say Hi to Tom for me.

-t-

 Clifford Novey <om@om-studios.com> wrote: =

Does anyone have the address for Tom Heasley's gig at "Line Space = Line",
Los Angeles, CA (11/4)?
Thanks-
Cliff

www.om-studios.com

 

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Rainer Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:
>I got this nice book called "The Raga Guide" (Nimbus Records, ISBN >09536971OX, www.nimbus.ltd.uk).


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Sign up today at: www.netzerolongdistance.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 5 09:57:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22120; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:53:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:53:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 08:52:52 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Loop station To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <016c01c284db$046d9570$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20021102150623.67807.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i know some guys is austin (texas) that use sequencers and and edp. the bass player started using a dl4 and i heard a recording where he was looping his voice with it. the loop was synced and i asked the guitarist "i thought the dl4 had no synch, how are you doing it" the guy was just resynching the loop manually, by hitting play on the downbeat... so there you go. the human machine has been doing this sort of thing for a long time... so is this "looping" or not? oh btw, the band is called Mystery Sister. http://www.auslandermusic.com/mystery.html >I just dont understand how those people can play together without any sync? > >I mean, before musicans looped, didnt the mostly try to play >together, tempowhise? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 5 10:05:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24237; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:04:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:04:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021105100700.00a834f8@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 10:08:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: electricentrifugal spirograms Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com which means, there's a tono-bungay show coming up. with... endless boogie at siberia 356 w 40 st (9th ave) at 10.30 (t.- b.) & 11.30 (eb) and it is FREE. which i know you will find even more attractive than all the band members put together. so if you can make it that is where i will be too! xo rbrt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 5 10:12:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24583; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:07:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:07:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 09:06:50 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Terje Amerasekhera Rypdal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <018701c284dc$f7e50c50$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20021105140625.75380.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i got mine from amazon. seems they don't have it anymore, though. ----- > > Does anyone know if this is still in print? I've been unable to find a US merchant who stocks it... > > -t- > > Rainer Straschill wrote: > >I got this nice book called "The Raga Guide" (Nimbus Records, ISBN >09536971OX, www.nimbus.ltd.uk). > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 5 14:06:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11136; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:54:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:54:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Atlanta Georgia/magicicada:LARVAE:j.smiley/FREE To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.9b Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 13:53:08 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sub:marine records showcase -------------------------------- www.submarinerecords.com -------------------------------- In conjunction with The Electric Arts Alliance of Atlanta -------------------------------- www.theeaaa.org -------------------------------- atlanta, ga : 10High : LARVAE, J.Smiley, magicicada perform an all sub:marine show at the 10High (formerly the Dark Horse Tavern) as a part of Electro Acoustic Music Month. <:::::FREE SHOW:::::> magicicada: live looping audio sculptures www.magicicada.com larvae: paranoid beats and noise www.submarinerecords.com/Larvae/ j.smiley: circuit-bent toy hacking www.submarinerecords.com/smiley/ 10High is in the basement of the Darkhorse Tavern 816 N. Highland Ave. Atlanta, GA 30306 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 5 14:50:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15585; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:50:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:50:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Terje Amerasekhera Rypdal Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:48:55 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <018701c284dc$f7e50c50$080210ac@jpalmer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I went to Amazon last night and they seem totally shut down! -----Original Message----- From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 7:07 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Terje Amerasekhera Rypdal i got mine from amazon. seems they don't have it anymore, though. ----- > > Does anyone know if this is still in print? I've been unable to find a US merchant who stocks it... > > -t- > > Rainer Straschill wrote: > >I got this nice book called "The Raga Guide" (Nimbus Records, ISBN >09536971OX, www.nimbus.ltd.uk). > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 5 15:28:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19316; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:25:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:25:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: OT--Amazon Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:24:31 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Psych! (Made me look) Gary -----Original Message----- From: MIKO [mailto:m-i-k-o@attbi.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 11:49 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Terje Amerasekhera Rypdal I went to Amazon last night and they seem totally shut down! -----Original Message----- From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 7:07 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Terje Amerasekhera Rypdal i got mine from amazon. seems they don't have it anymore, though. ----- > > Does anyone know if this is still in print? I've been unable to find a US merchant who stocks it... > > -t- > > Rainer Straschill wrote: > >I got this nice book called "The Raga Guide" (Nimbus Records, ISBN >09536971OX, www.nimbus.ltd.uk). > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 5 15:41:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20277; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:38:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:38:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: OT--Amazon Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:37:00 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually I just went there now and it's up, but last night, it wasn't. -----Original Message----- From: Clayton Gary Lehmann [mailto:relayonemanband@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 12:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT--Amazon Psych! (Made me look) Gary -----Original Message----- From: MIKO [mailto:m-i-k-o@attbi.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 11:49 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Terje Amerasekhera Rypdal I went to Amazon last night and they seem totally shut down! -----Original Message----- From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 7:07 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Terje Amerasekhera Rypdal i got mine from amazon. seems they don't have it anymore, though. ----- > > Does anyone know if this is still in print? I've been unable to find a US merchant who stocks it... > > -t- > > Rainer Straschill wrote: > >I got this nice book called "The Raga Guide" (Nimbus Records, ISBN >09536971OX, www.nimbus.ltd.uk). > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 5 18:14:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02047; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:13:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:13:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: Gig spam Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 00:12:52 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000201c28520$de0a4d60$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, If any loopers happen to be located in Sweden I'll be making noise in the Loop Room at www.scandinavianmusicfestival.com. Doing two 1 hour impro gigs/clinics a day. Anyone with instrument/looper is welcome to sit in - I'm on (Swe) 070 - 441 67 13 Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 5 20:33:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12796; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 20:30:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 20:30:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013101c28534$348dd860$61635cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: References: <002201c28188$393364c0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Subject: Re: Digitech gnx 3 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 20:31:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <4gulnB.A.IHD.FCHy9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" Yes. A music store here lent me one for test but I have to say I didn't like it much for a looper, compared to my EDP and Repeater. ========= Hi Per, Since you own both a Repeater and an EDP, I'd be interested in hearing how you use these two devices: How do you use them the same? How do you use them differently? Cheers, Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 5 20:57:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14229; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 20:54:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 20:54:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01b501c28537$a2b8a2e0$61635cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: References: <20021101083935.12149.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Radio Massacre International Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 20:55:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Richards" > Hey, I've heard of Radio Massacre International! > I've actually been wanting to hear your stuff for > quite sometime now, but apart from one album that > Wayside Music presently carries, I don't seem to > be able to find too much of it available here in > the US. Care to name any retailers on the web who > take Mastercard (unlike Fiedling Melisch, I don't > have Diner's Club OR Bank Of America) who stock > your albums? ===== Try the distributors listed on my page: http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/resources/distributors.html One distributor listed there, Groove, has 13 titles. They accept many credit cards. Cheers, Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 6 00:21:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30977; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 00:20:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 00:20:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Seeking Switches Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 00:19:34 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c28554$18d710d0$592f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021102224847.03e8c3a0@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Speaking of switches, has anyone come up with some new alternatives lately? My record and overdub need to be replaced, but I would like to find some switches that I don't always double trigger. Clumsiness, I guess. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 6 00:24:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31197; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 00:24:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 00:24:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Seeking Switches Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:22:50 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000201c28554$18d710d0$592f04d1@home> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com uh, give up for the next couple of weeks. Get it????? -----Original Message----- From: future perfect [mailto:artists@hazardfactor.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 9:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Seeking Switches Speaking of switches, has anyone come up with some new alternatives lately? My record and overdub need to be replaced, but I would like to find some switches that I don't always double trigger. Clumsiness, I guess. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 6 00:53:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00311; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 00:53:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 00:53:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Seeking Switches Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 00:51:51 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c28558$9d257850$592f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nope... > > uh, give up for the next couple of weeks. Get it????? > > > Speaking of switches, has anyone come up with some new > alternatives lately? My record and overdub need to be > replaced, but I would like to find some switches that I don't > always double trigger. Clumsiness, I guess. > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 6 04:33:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA18105; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 04:32:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 04:32:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Brian Hamlin To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Seeking Switches Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:34:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <4vZUsC.A.caE.sGOy9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Man, if there was ever someone who should take his own advice... -----Original Message----- From: MIKO [mailto:m-i-k-o@attbi.com] Sent: 06 November 2002 05:23 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Seeking Switches uh, give up for the next couple of weeks. Get it????? -----Original Message----- From: future perfect [mailto:artists@hazardfactor.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 9:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Seeking Switches Speaking of switches, has anyone come up with some new alternatives lately? My record and overdub need to be replaced, but I would like to find some switches that I don't always double trigger. Clumsiness, I guess. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or Omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Visit the Millennium Commission websites: http://www.millennium.gov.uk - for official UK millennium activities http://www.starpeople.org.uk - Millennium Awards and Award Winners From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 6 05:37:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA22917; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 05:33:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 05:33:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: DP+Repeater (was: Digitech gnx 3) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:33:39 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001301c2857f$f8accc10$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <013101c28534$348dd860$61635cd1@LocalHost> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Since you own both a Repeater and an EDP, I'd be interested > in hearing how you use these two devices: How do you use them > the same? How do you use them differently? > > Cheers, > > Bill Hi Bill, I mostly use them as a combo with EDP sending midi clock out and Repaeater following (timestretching loops on the fly). I'm using the FBC1010 to control one EDP and one Repeater. I have two banks dedicated for the EDP; one with note numbers controlling the functions rec/overdub/multiply/insert/nextLoop/reverse/HalfSpeed/replace/insert and one with each footpad sending a control change to call up EDP program 1-10. All ten programs I use have the same setting except for the 8th/Cycle which goes 4,5,6,7,8,10,12,16,32. I'm changing preset while playing, and with loops in the machines, to push Repeater into playing another tempo than the EDP. This is a way to achieve polyrhythmic musical effects. Sometimes I like to turn the sync off and let the Repeater play back at the absolutely lowest tempo (this sounds like some horror sci-fi sound fix) while layering EDP stuff on top of that. To my surprise almost anything is working just fine musically if played back off-sync at 1 BPM after being recorded at maybe 74 BPM. And then you can put the EDP at Low-Speed (half tempo) set the Repeater to sync and it will perform a beautiful accelerando to catch up with EDP (at half tempo). Then you can play for a while before taking the EDP back to "normal speed", which will finally also bring the Repeater loops back to how they once were recorded (IF you have not recorded something down there at 1 BPM - this can really sound bad... but sometimes quite funny as well ;-) I also have one EDP preset which is set to "unrounded and unquanitzed" to build up noisy "granular loops" that I can later cut (with multiply ended by rec) into a rhythmic loop that goes in a tempo suitable for the Repeater (poor R cannot handle recording at too fast tempi). Talking about the two expression pedals I have one signed to the EDP midi channel and one for the Repeater. Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 6 09:59:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11200; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:56:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:56:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 08:55:07 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Seeking Switches To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <021001c285a4$7f97c9e0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000201c28554$18d710d0$592f04d1@home> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i prefer the metal carlingswitch 4oz switches. (16-3P series) i haven't tried installing them in the original footswitch, though... they make a little more noise, and have a longer throw, but i like how they feel and they are far more durable than the ones in the original edp fs. i have been wondering if the ones with plastic caps would be quieter. i also was thinking of putting rubber grommets or felt on the caps. > Speaking of switches, has anyone come up with some new alternatives > lately? My record and overdub need to be replaced, but I would like to > find some switches that I don't always double trigger. Clumsiness, I > guess. > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 6 10:15:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13700; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:13:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:13:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: theweg@netzero.com X-Original-From: theweg@netzero.com Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:11:04 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:DP+Repeater (was: Digitech gnx 3) X-Mailer: NetZero WebMail Version 1.0 Message-Id: <20021106.071157.27276.184423@webmail02.lax.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9TQViB.A.qVD.OGTy9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Per, I too have both but I purchased the gnx3 after reading about it in the musicians friend catalog. The music stores around Charleston, West Virginia do not carry items like this. They prefer to order it for you which doesn't give you a chance to check them out. I like the gnx3 but it does not sync to the repeater or the edp which as you pointed out can be interesting at times. I have a similar setup with the edp driving the repeater. I use the fcb1010 to control both units as well and I find it does a great job. I read one of your earlier posts about the program changes but have not got into that yet. I programmed all of the edp functions into the pedal and I am still exploring those. The repeater and the edp can do so much that I should start documenting some of the things I am learning to do. I find it very easy to get lost in sound.... Last night I forgot to cook dinner and when my fiancee got home she was very nice about it.... we ate late... Thanks for the great posts!, Weg in West Virginia From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 6 11:12:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18815; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:10:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:10:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021106160929.27906.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:09:29 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Seeking Switches To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <021001c285a4$7f97c9e0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1862406339-1036598969=:25036" Resent-Message-ID: <6ZQcPB.A.skE.Y7Ty9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1862406339-1036598969=:25036 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Switch noise musings... When the Akai Headrush first came out, we had a thread about noisy switches interfering with acoustic (miked) looping. Then when the DL-4 came out, I noticed that it had quieter switches. The weird thing is, until about five minutes ago, I never compared the switches on the two units side by side. Externally, they appear to be identical! (The Akai switches do seem to travel a little further before the 'click' than the Line 6, so I dunno...) Without opening them up, I'd venture to guess that if they are the same switches, the DL-4 switches might be mounted differently, maybe with rubber grommets or something similar that damps them. Or maybe it's just the greater mass of the housing on the Line 6. Hmmmm..... -t- > jim palmer wrote: >i have been wondering if the ones with plastic caps would be quieter. >i also was thinking of putting rubber grommets or felt on the caps. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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Switch noise musings...

When the Akai Headrush first came out, we had a thread about noisy switches interfering with acoustic (miked) looping. Then when the DL-4 came out, I noticed that it had quieter switches.

The weird thing is, until about five minutes ago, I never compared the switches on the two units side by side. Externally, they appear to be identical! (The Akai switches do seem to travel a little further before the 'click' than the Line 6, so I dunno...)

Without opening them up, I'd venture to guess that if they are the same switches, the DL-4 switches might be mounted differently, maybe with rubber grommets or something similar that damps them. Or maybe it's just the greater mass of the housing on the Line 6.

Hmmmm.....

-t-

> jim palmer <jimp@pobox.com> wrote:
>i have been wondering if the ones with plastic caps would be quieter.
>i also was thinking of putting rubber grommets or felt on the caps.


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HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now --0-1862406339-1036598969=:25036-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 6 11:15:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19149; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:14:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:14:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DC940DC.E8B83CFB@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 10:18:36 -0600 From: Kirby Shelstad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Seeking EDP Switches References: <3DC2B4A2.A5125C8A@mindspring.com> <3DC41600.AF4FB0A1@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com an habitual addiction to some sort of self hypnosis k Matthias Grob wrote: > >I broke the Record Button last nite in a jam, > > > >didn;t realize how attached I gotten to having loopiing right there when > >you want it. > > are you talking about a habit or a addiction? > > In the later case you can flip the switches so the faulty is a less > important one :-) > > -- > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 6 11:18:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19695; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:17:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:17:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Looptalk@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:16:33 EST Subject: EDP switches for drummers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's a challenge. Has anyone considered a better way for a drummer to use the EDP footpedal controls. Unless midi is involved, I think all of us use our hi-hat foot to control the record, overdub, etc functions. My thought is to create switches that would respond to the down beat of various crash cymbals. Double triggering seems to be a possible problem though. Any thoughts? tq From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 6 11:47:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21303; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:44:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:44:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Seeking EDP Switches Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:42:40 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3DC940DC.E8B83CFB@mindspring.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com divination (attempt) -----Original Message----- From: Kirby Shelstad [mailto:kirbyshelstad@mindspring.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:19 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Seeking EDP Switches an habitual addiction to some sort of self hypnosis k Matthias Grob wrote: > >I broke the Record Button last nite in a jam, > > > >didn;t realize how attached I gotten to having loopiing right there when > >you want it. > > are you talking about a habit or a addiction? > > In the later case you can flip the switches so the faulty is a less > important one :-) > > -- > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 6 11:48:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21495; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:46:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:46:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 08:33:29 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Seeking Switches In-reply-to: <20021106160929.27906.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20021106160929.27906.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:09 AM -0800 11/6/02, Tim Nelson wrote: >When the Akai Headrush first came out, we had a thread about noisy >switches interfering with acoustic (miked) looping. Then when the >DL-4 came out, I noticed that it had quieter switches. >Without opening them up, I'd venture to guess that if they are the >same switches, the DL-4 switches might be mounted differently, maybe >with rubber grommets or something similar that damps them. Or maybe >it's just the greater mass of the housing on the Line 6. It can be illuminating to open up your equipment and see what's really going on behind the visible (and tangible) controls. What most of us perceive as "the switch" is in many cases a mechanical interface to an internal small switch attached to the circuit board. This is the case with the DL-4 and the PMC-10, for instance. The metal object that you click with your foot is actually a sort of metal "finger" that presses a tiny (and fragile) switch inside. So the solution to noisy switches can be to replace the purely mechanical part with a quieter equivalent. As long as positive contact is made with the "real" switch, without inflicting damage on it, the modified control should work. I can't offer any specific solutions, though I'd be interested in such. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 6 11:53:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21996; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:50:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:50:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Seeking Switches Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:49:10 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com !!! -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:33 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Seeking Switches At 8:09 AM -0800 11/6/02, Tim Nelson wrote: >When the Akai Headrush first came out, we had a thread about noisy >switches interfering with acoustic (miked) looping. Then when the >DL-4 came out, I noticed that it had quieter switches. >Without opening them up, I'd venture to guess that if they are the >same switches, the DL-4 switches might be mounted differently, maybe >with rubber grommets or something similar that damps them. Or maybe >it's just the greater mass of the housing on the Line 6. It can be illuminating to open up your equipment and see what's really going on behind the visible (and tangible) controls. What most of us perceive as "the switch" is in many cases a mechanical interface to an internal small switch attached to the circuit board. This is the case with the DL-4 and the PMC-10, for instance. The metal object that you click with your foot is actually a sort of metal "finger" that presses a tiny (and fragile) switch inside. So the solution to noisy switches can be to replace the purely mechanical part with a quieter equivalent. As long as positive contact is made with the "real" switch, without inflicting damage on it, the modified control should work. I can't offer any specific solutions, though I'd be interested in such. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 6 11:54:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22069; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:51:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:51:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021106165024.72312.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:50:24 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: EDP switches for drummers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1299753137-1036601424=:71935" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1299753137-1036601424=:71935 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A couple of years ago I started a thread on this very subject when the drummer I was playing with was interested in adding loops to his arsenal. The question I asked which was never really answered involved the possibility of using a midi pad as a switch to control the looper's functions. We had a cheesy Yamahaha DD5 lying around; the sounds were horrible, but I wondered if since the unit has *some* midi capability, the pads could be used as stick-activated switches. Does anyone have experience with this, or maybe with using a more sophisticated unit like a DrumKat or something as a controller? -t- Looptalk@aol.com wrote:Here's a challenge. Has anyone considered a better way for a drummer to use the EDP footpedal controls. Unless midi is involved, I think all of us use our hi-hat foot to control the record, overdub, etc functions. My thought is to create switches that would respond to the down beat of various crash cymbals. Double triggering seems to be a possible problem though. Any thoughts? tq --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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A couple of years ago I started a thread on this very subject when the drummer I was playing with was interested in adding loops to his arsenal. The question I asked which was never really answered involved the possibility of using a midi pad as a switch to control the looper's functions. We had a cheesy Yamahaha DD5 lying around; the sounds were horrible, but I wondered if since the unit has *some* midi capability, the pads could be used as stick-activated switches.

Does anyone have experience with this, or maybe with using a more sophisticated unit like a DrumKat or something as a controller?

-t-

 Looptalk@aol.com wrote:

Here's a challenge.

Has anyone considered a better way for a drummer to use the EDP footpedal
controls.

Unless midi is involved, I think all of us use our hi-hat foot to control the
record, overdub, etc functions.

My thought is to create switches that would respond to the down beat of
various crash cymbals. Double triggering seems to be a possible problem
though.

Any thoughts?

tq


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HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now --0-1299753137-1036601424=:71935-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 6 12:25:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25664; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:24:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:24:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021106092239.02300598@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 09:26:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP switches for drummers In-Reply-To: <20021106165024.72312.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:50 AM 11/6/2002, Tim Nelson wrote: >Does anyone have experience with this, or maybe with using a more >sophisticated unit like a DrumKat or something as a controller? Amy X Neuburg uses a DrumKat for controlling an Echoplex, and it works great. I think it has the added benefit of being more visually interesting to watch than somebody pressing footswitches with their feet. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 6 13:07:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30123; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:07:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:07:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <18e.10feefd8.2af926d7@aol.com> References: <18e.10feefd8.2af926d7@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:06:15 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: was More EDP/LoopIV Problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Matthais, > >Is this a test for diagnosing loop4 only, or is it a starting point for >diagnosing the any EDP's hardware. > >If his problem goes away after removing the 2 SIMMs even with a brother sync >and hair dryer test, what is the result of the problem? > >Todd Quincy we discovered recently that some SIMMs can overcharge" the WR/ line of the processor and produce those rather unexpected symptoms. I will write more about it soon. This is totally independent of soft version -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 6 14:17:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03060; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:16:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:16:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP switches for drummers Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:17:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Nov 2002 19:15:03.0537 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF29C610:01C285C8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Has anyone considered a better way for a drummer to use the EDP footpedal > controls. I use a set of homemade drum trigger pads which are programmed to send out midi data just like any guitar player's midi-footpedal. There are six small pads (about 2"x3") positioned just above my snare drum. I control my EDP, repeater, and effects while I'm playing by hitting pads with the stick in my left hand. I haven't found anything on the market like this yet. However, any drum trigger pads that will send out note-on messages (all of them as far as I can tell) will work for controlling just an EDP. Try the roland spd6, its pretty small and it will send out note-on messages. You can program the six pads to control any six front panel buttons on the EDP. Also, you can buy any 20Kohm potentiometer and wire it onto a mono 1/4" cable. You can use this to control the feedback value. With a little duct tape, you could put a "lever" on the potentiometer shaft and mount it near enough to control it with your leg, or arm. Good luck, and keep us posted on how it goes. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 6 14:46:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04976; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:42:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:42:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 Message-ID: <3DC9704E.DFCEDA6C@ernieball.com> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 11:41:02 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Armatronix Gig Contest Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Armatronix From: Engineering Sender: hans@ernieball.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello friends- This is your chance for fame and fortune! Armatronix has a gig coming up on Friday, November 15th, 2002 at Sweet Springs Saloon in Los Osos, CA, and I need someone to share the bill with me. Just imagine performing in Los Osos' premiere nightspot, under the bright lights, before scores* of adoring fans! Now imagine that each and every one of those adoring fans has given you two dollars for the privilege of seeing you perform! Ok, you're probably getting pretty worked up by now, so take a few deep breaths and then reply to this e-mail, stating in 100 words or less why you should be picked for this exciting chance of a lifetime. This contest is open to performers of all types and abilities. Bands, DJs, loopers, laptopists, singer-songwriters, jugglers, sword swallowers, go-go dancers, whatever. As a special bonus, out-of-town winners will get one nights' free lodging at Armatron Studios, home of the corrugated foam. Sorry, you'll have to provide your own transportation to Los Osos. The winner will be announced this Friday, November 8th. Fame and fortune await! -Hans http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/armatronix/ * depending upon attendance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 6 15:07:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07848; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:06:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:06:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 15:05:29 -0500 Subject: NYC gig Friday From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3DC9704E.DFCEDA6C@ernieball.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all--my only gig this season. A rare event, two of the only Feedback-based musicians on the planet on one bill (Toshi and yours truly)... David Lee Myers http://www.pulsewidth.com TOSHIMARU NAKAMURA & SEAN MEEHAN FALL U.S. TOUR 2002 Toshimaru Nakamura-No Input Mixing Board Sean Meehan-Snare Drum Friday, Nov 8. New York City. ABC No Rio, 156 Rivington Street (Clinton/Suffolk) Two Shows: 8pm (with Ben Manley) and 10pm (with David Lee Myers) www.abcnorio.org 212.254.3697 10 dollars From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 6 15:23:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08378; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:12:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:12:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:11:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: NYC gig Friday Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:05 PM -0500 11/6/02, David Myers wrote: >Hi all--my only gig this season. A rare event, two of the only >Feedback-based musicians on the planet on one bill (Toshi and yours >truly)... aha, I was looking for a word for that yesterday about your gig.... At 8:26 PM -0500 11/5/02, Tom Ritchford wrote: >[sorry for all the posts but there's a lot of good stuff on... > this one should be very interesting, "no input mixing board" > indeed, and strangely enough I am just listening to David Lee > Myers' work (as Arcane Device) as I write this, another > person who makes sound without sound generators! /t] "sound without sound generators" is in hindsight a little lame... though any guitarist is "feedback-based" I supposed, perhaps you want to be "pure feedback"? /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 6 16:18:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13851; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:16:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:16:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021106211531.15987.qmail@web40505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:15:31 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Ambiloop 1.40 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3DC9704E.DFCEDA6C@ernieball.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, I just downloaded Ambiloop which is cool although i am having problems aligning all the loops to the right start point.Can you tell me how this can be done quickly on the fly? Cheers Louie ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 6 17:23:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19576; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 17:21:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 17:21:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c285e3$1efa8480$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <3DC9704E.DFCEDA6C@ernieball.com> Subject: Re: Armatronix Gig Contest Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:23:21 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Hans, Alas, I'm in London UK. Have a great show though. S.P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Engineering" To: "Armatronix" Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 19:41:PM Subject: Armatronix Gig Contest > Hello friends- > > > This is your chance for fame and fortune! > > Armatronix has a gig coming up on Friday, November 15th, 2002 at Sweet > Springs Saloon in Los Osos, CA, and I need someone to share the bill > with me. > > Just imagine performing in Los Osos' premiere nightspot, under the > bright lights, before scores* of adoring fans! > > Now imagine that each and every one of those adoring fans has given you > two dollars for the privilege of seeing you perform! > > Ok, you're probably getting pretty worked up by now, so take a few deep > breaths and then reply to this e-mail, stating in 100 words or less why > you should be picked for this exciting chance of a lifetime. > > This contest is open to performers of all types and abilities. Bands, > DJs, loopers, laptopists, singer-songwriters, jugglers, sword > swallowers, go-go dancers, whatever. > > As a special bonus, out-of-town winners will get one nights' free > lodging at Armatron Studios, home of the corrugated foam. Sorry, you'll > have to provide your own transportation to Los Osos. > > The winner will be announced this Friday, November 8th. > > Fame and fortune await! > > > -Hans > http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/armatronix/ > > > * depending upon attendance > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 6 20:00:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30487; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:55:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:55:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.6; T1.001; A1.48; B2.12; Q2.03) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 00:55:11 UT From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Epoch: 1036630512 X-Sasl-enc: eMoZ2P+kLTltr8By9t8usA Subject: Re: DP+Repeater (was: Digitech gnx 3) Message-Id: <20021107005511.9D0112FD21@server3.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:33:39 +0100, "Per Boysen" said: > Sometimes I like to turn the sync off and let the Repeater play back at > the absolutely lowest tempo (this sounds like some horror sci-fi sound > fix) while layering EDP stuff on top of that. Yeah, I do this a lot with the Repeater. I'll purposely overdub stuff at 1 bpm, and when I go back to the original tempo, they turn into this scratchy noise. With some trimming I can turn it into a very rythmic industrial type of thing. I've had some very cool results that way. Ernesto -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm - Consolidate POP email and Hotmail in one place From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 6 21:48:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08853; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:44:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:44:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: vst looping plugin Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:38:12 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this must have been asked in the past, but i couldn't find anything decent in the archives... are any of you aware of any simple and effective vst looping plug-ins? basically just want a delay type effect, with a 'freeze' option, but i'm curious as to what else might be available. thanks, paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 6 21:54:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09586; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:50:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:50:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c28608$7c0ea4b0$e4981cd5@hyeena> From: "Jukka Andersson" To: References: Subject: Re: vst looping plugin Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 04:50:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check TRM Tools 1 and 2 .jukka > > this must have been asked in the past, but i couldn't find anything decent > in the archives... > > are any of you aware of any simple and effective vst looping plug-ins? > basically just want a delay type effect, with a 'freeze' option, but i'm > curious as to what else might be available. > > thanks, > paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 6 22:06:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11679; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:05:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:05:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: LinkTomlin@aol.com Message-ID: <1be.136ec17e.2afb319e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:01:50 EST Subject: Re: vst looping plugin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1be.136ec17e.2afb319e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows UK sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: <3ntG4B.A.61C.Ehdy9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1be.136ec17e.2afb319e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you're on PC, check out EletTronix at http://www.arrakis.es/%7Eelogoxa/principal.htm --part1_1be.136ec17e.2afb319e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you're on PC, check out EletTronix at http://www.arrakis.es/%7Eelogoxa/principal.htm --part1_1be.136ec17e.2afb319e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 6 22:47:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14125; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:42:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:42:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: vst looping plugin Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:37:23 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <000e01c28608$7c0ea4b0$e4981cd5@hyeena> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm assuming you mean GRM Tools... and > If you're on PC, check out EletTronix at http://www.arrakis.es/%7Eelogoxa/principal.htm yes, i'm aware of both of these. neither do what i'm looking for, although they're both cool. i just want something that you can feed some input that can then 'catch' some amount of audio and start looping, in sync with some time division and in sync with the host bpm. i'm building a loop sampler vst plugin right now, i might just throw that in as a feature if there aren't any similar products that do that sort of thing. any other suggestions? thanks, paul > -----Original Message----- > From: Jukka Andersson [mailto:vi8mjuan@kyamk.fi] > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 6:51 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: vst looping plugin > > > Check TRM Tools 1 and 2 > > .jukka > > > > > this must have been asked in the past, but i couldn't find > anything decent > > in the archives... > > > > are any of you aware of any simple and effective vst looping plug-ins? > > basically just want a delay type effect, with a 'freeze' option, but i'm > > curious as to what else might be available. > > > > thanks, > > paul > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 6 22:54:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14600; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:49:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:49:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00aa01c28610$b7c1df10$e4981cd5@hyeena> From: "Jukka Andersson" To: References: Subject: Re: vst looping plugin Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 05:49:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com GRM tools indeed :-) .jukka ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Weissman" To: Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 5:37 AM Subject: RE: vst looping plugin > > i'm assuming you mean GRM Tools... > > and > > > If you're on PC, check out EletTronix at > http://www.arrakis.es/%7Eelogoxa/principal.htm > > yes, i'm aware of both of these. neither do what i'm looking for, although > they're both cool. > > i just want something that you can feed some input that can then 'catch' > some amount of audio and start looping, in sync with some time division and > in sync with the host bpm. > > i'm building a loop sampler vst plugin right now, i might just throw that in > as a feature if there aren't any similar products that do that sort of > thing. > > any other suggestions? > > thanks, > paul > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jukka Andersson [mailto:vi8mjuan@kyamk.fi] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 6:51 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: vst looping plugin > > > > > > Check TRM Tools 1 and 2 > > > > .jukka > > > > > > > > this must have been asked in the past, but i couldn't find > > anything decent > > > in the archives... > > > > > > are any of you aware of any simple and effective vst looping plug-ins? > > > basically just want a delay type effect, with a 'freeze' option, but i'm > > > curious as to what else might be available. > > > > > > thanks, > > > paul > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 6 23:54:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19181; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:51:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:51:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: m-i-k-o@attbi.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: vst looping plugin Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 04:50:58 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 12 2002) Message-Id: <20021107045059.OMRB12281.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@rwcrwbc57> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd love to hear about that also. FREE would be preferred. > > this must have been asked in the past, but i couldn't find anything decent > in the archives... > > are any of you aware of any simple and effective vst looping plug-ins? > basically just want a delay type effect, with a 'freeze' option, but i'm > curious as to what else might be available. > > thanks, > paul > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 6 23:54:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19140; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:51:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:51:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: m-i-k-o@attbi.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DP+Repeater (was: Digitech gnx 3) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 04:50:04 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 12 2002) Message-Id: <20021107045004.OMDK12281.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@rwcrwbc57> Resent-Message-ID: <-_wrxB.A.uqE.gEfy9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sounds almost Jungian > On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:33:39 +0100, "Per Boysen" said: > > Sometimes I like to turn the sync off and let the Repeater play back at > > the absolutely lowest tempo (this sounds like some horror sci-fi sound > > fix) while layering EDP stuff on top of that. > > Yeah, I do this a lot with the Repeater. I'll purposely overdub stuff at > 1 bpm, and when I go back to the original tempo, they turn into this > scratchy noise. With some trimming I can turn it into a very rythmic > industrial type of thing. I've had some very cool results that way. > > Ernesto > > > -- > ernesto schnack > http://schnack.does.it > > -- > http://fastmail.fm - Consolidate POP email and Hotmail in one place > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 6 23:58:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19251; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:52:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:52:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: m-i-k-o@attbi.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: vst looping plugin Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 04:51:38 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 12 2002) Message-Id: <20021107045139.NZXG13074.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc57> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com no worries > GRM tools indeed :-) > > .jukka > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Weissman" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 5:37 AM > Subject: RE: vst looping plugin > > > > > > i'm assuming you mean GRM Tools... > > > > and > > > > > If you're on PC, check out EletTronix at > > http://www.arrakis.es/%7Eelogoxa/principal.htm > > > > yes, i'm aware of both of these. neither do what i'm looking for, > although > > they're both cool. > > > > i just want something that you can feed some input that can then 'catch' > > some amount of audio and start looping, in sync with some time division > and > > in sync with the host bpm. > > > > i'm building a loop sampler vst plugin right now, i might just throw that > in > > as a feature if there aren't any similar products that do that sort of > > thing. > > > > any other suggestions? > > > > thanks, > > paul > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jukka Andersson [mailto:vi8mjuan@kyamk.fi] > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 6:51 PM > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: Re: vst looping plugin > > > > > > > > > Check TRM Tools 1 and 2 > > > > > > .jukka > > > > > > > > > > > this must have been asked in the past, but i couldn't find > > > anything decent > > > > in the archives... > > > > > > > > are any of you aware of any simple and effective vst looping plug-ins? > > > > basically just want a delay type effect, with a 'freeze' option, but > i'm > > > > curious as to what else might be available. > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > paul > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 7 00:20:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22145; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 00:19:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 00:19:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 21:16:45 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: vst looping plugin In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:37 PM -0800 11/6/02, Paul Weissman wrote: >i just want something that you can feed some input that can then 'catch' >some amount of audio and start looping, in sync with some time division and >in sync with the host bpm. http://www.pspaudioware.com/indexen.html?url=http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/psp42.html; -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 7 01:31:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28400; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:27:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:27:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 04:27:02 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP switches for drummers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Here's a challenge. > >Has anyone considered a better way for a drummer to use the EDP footpedal >controls. > >Unless midi is involved, I think all of us use our hi-hat foot to control the >record, overdub, etc functions. > >My thought is to create switches that would respond to the down beat of >various crash cymbals. Double triggering seems to be a possible problem >though. > >Any thoughts? yes, you just called one, maybe its what you meant, I did not quite understand: I guess that the main problem with drum operation is that you usually want to hit a loop function at the very moment you also want to hit the cymbal. And you cannot have a cymbal for every function nor have the function happen at every cymbal hit ;-) So why not preselect the function you want on some pad and then have it executed at the next cymbal hit? Its similar quantizing, but you can do it anytime... Is that it? This could be done with the BeatSync input. But it would take a new quantize mode. Or you can implement it in MIDI, with Max or so... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 7 01:33:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28964; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:30:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:30:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3DC940DC.E8B83CFB@mindspring.com> References: <3DC2B4A2.A5125C8A@mindspring.com> <3DC41600.AF4FB0A1@mindspring.com> <3DC940DC.E8B83CFB@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 04:30:26 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: self hypnosis (was: Seeking EDP Switches) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kirby wrote: >an habitual addiction to some sort of self hypnosis as everbody knows, I like this aspect specially... Does it regenerate you? Maybe the way others find a balance in meditating, praying, or even sports... ? Do you think that the repetition is the point about it? If so: would constantly playing the same bring a similar effect? Does the machine do it better or is it just easier? For how long do you do such hypnosis? Miko calls it "divination (attempt)". Does that word exist or is it just him? ;-) Maybe we should build "divinators" ;-) Interesting: Portuguese "adivinhar" means "to guess" thank you for helping to understand this phenomenon Matthias > >Matthias Grob wrote: >> >I broke the Record Button last nite in a jam, >> > >> >didn;t realize how attached I gotten to having loopiing right there when >> >you want it. >> >> are you talking about a habit or a addiction? >> >> In the later case you can flip the switches so the faulty is a less > > important one :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 7 01:34:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28417; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:27:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:27:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <016c01c284db$046d9570$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <20021102150623.67807.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> <016c01c284db$046d9570$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 04:27:16 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Loop station Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3dbtkD.A.k7G.Ifgy9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >i know some guys is austin (texas) that use sequencers and and edp. >the bass player started using a dl4 and i heard a recording where he >was looping his voice with it. the loop was synced and i asked the guitarist >"i thought the dl4 had no synch, how are you doing it" >the guy was just resynching the loop manually, by hitting play on >the downbeat... > >so there you go. >the human machine has been doing this sort of thing for a long time... >so is this "looping" or not? some may call it sampling... but whatever, i was not aware of this "foot-sync" function of the dl4, sorry. does not seem very handy (footy ;-), but flexible. one could create some cirquit that "hits the play automatically" may sync be available for all of us! :-) > >oh btw, the band is called Mystery Sister. >http://www.auslandermusic.com/mystery.html > > >>I just dont understand how those people can play together without any sync? >> >>I mean, before musicans looped, didnt they mostly try to play >>together, tempowhise? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 7 01:35:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28318; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:27:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:27:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 04:26:43 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP switches for drummers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Also, you can buy any 20Kohm potentiometer and wire it onto a mono 1/4" >cable. You can use this to control the feedback value. With a little duct >tape, you could put a "lever" on the potentiometer shaft and mount it near >enough to control it with your leg, or arm. this sounds great, Jon, do you use such mechanism and operate while fully playing? I suppose the main thing is not needing to put away the sticks. I could imagine a stick operated pot, too... How about mounting little switches on the stick somehow? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 7 01:38:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29604; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:34:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:34:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003f01c28626$9ea221a0$b2f6883e@GarethWhittock> From: "Gareth Whittock" To: References: Subject: Re: vst looping plugin Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 06:26:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll send u some .dll's if u like - 4,12,60 second stereo delays & some reverse/4ward delays. Tell me what you need. What software are u using? Gareth > > this must have been asked in the past, but i couldn't find anything decent > in the archives... > > are any of you aware of any simple and effective vst looping plug-ins? > basically just want a delay type effect, with a 'freeze' option, but i'm > curious as to what else might be available. > > thanks, > paul > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 7 04:30:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA11436; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 04:29:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 04:29:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c28640$12c3dc90$b1cec22b@camb.scee.sony.co.uk> From: "Os" To: References: Subject: Re: vst looping plugin Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:28:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com VeryLongDelay & LongStereoDelay, both part of Pluggo (www.pluggo.com) mdaLooplex, from www.mda-vst.com, not officially released but in the OS X plugins download. cheers, os. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Weissman" To: Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 2:38 AM Subject: vst looping plugin > > this must have been asked in the past, but i couldn't find anything decent > in the archives... > > are any of you aware of any simple and effective vst looping plug-ins? > basically just want a delay type effect, with a 'freeze' option, but i'm > curious as to what else might be available. > > thanks, > paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 7 06:12:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA19004; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 06:10:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 06:10:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:09:37 +0100 Subject: Re: self hypnosis (was: Seeking EDP Switches) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <6715BBD8-F241-11D6-800B-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nearly all of my first album was created when I was in a trance-like state whilst playing on the street. I had just discovered looping, and it completely stole my soul. My eyes were closed, and it felt as though I was leaning into a wall, with my head resting up against this said wall.... I was not aware of my surroundings, myself, the audience.... anything. I was also not aware of the homeless people taking money out of my case, but heh :) There is something about repetative loops that is hypnotising. My music especially entrances young children (<5 years).... they stand there mesmirised, just staring.... and I can tell that the music carries them somewhere else. I have had people who have entered states of trance-like meditation for about 2 hours after listening to the recordings.... Divination? Yeah.... I suppose you could call it that if you are religiously inclined. Looping can definitely be a very spiritual existence. :) On Thursday, November 7, 2002, at 07:30 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: > Kirby wrote: >> an habitual addiction to some sort of self hypnosis > > as everbody knows, I like this aspect specially... > > Does it regenerate you? > Maybe the way others find a balance in meditating, praying, or even > sports... ? > Do you think that the repetition is the point about it? > If so: would constantly playing the same bring a similar effect? > Does the machine do it better or is it just easier? > For how long do you do such hypnosis? > > Miko calls it "divination (attempt)". Does that word exist or is it > just him? ;-) > Maybe we should build "divinators" ;-) > Interesting: Portuguese "adivinhar" means "to guess" > > thank you for helping to understand this phenomenon > Matthias > >> >> Matthias Grob wrote: >>> >I broke the Record Button last nite in a jam, >>> > >>> >didn;t realize how attached I gotten to having loopiing right >>> there when >>> >you want it. >>> >>> are you talking about a habit or a addiction? >>> >>> In the later case you can flip the switches so the faulty is a less >> > important one :-) > > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > > -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 7 10:11:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04124; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:01:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:01:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 10:00:20 -0500 Subject: Re: NYC gig Friday From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 11/6/02 3:11 PM, Tom Ritchford at tom@swirly.com wrote: > At 3:05 PM -0500 11/6/02, David Myers wrote: >> Hi all--my only gig this season. A rare event, two of the only >> Feedback-based musicians on the planet on one bill (Toshi and yours >> truly)... > > aha, I was looking for a word for that yesterday about your gig.... > > At 8:26 PM -0500 11/5/02, Tom Ritchford wrote: >> [sorry for all the posts but there's a lot of good stuff on... >> this one should be very interesting, "no input mixing board" >> indeed, and strangely enough I am just listening to David Lee >> Myers' work (as Arcane Device) as I write this, another >> person who makes sound without sound generators! /t] > > "sound without sound generators" is in hindsight a little lame... > though any guitarist is "feedback-based" I supposed, perhaps > you want to be "pure feedback"? > > /t "Sound without sound generators"--hmm, haven't heard that one before. I think it's pretty descriptive... DLM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 7 11:52:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13504; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:48:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:48:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 10:47:53 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: NYC gig Friday To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02fc01c2867d$6abf2160$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com does that make you the unmoved mover? > "Sound without sound generators"--hmm, haven't heard that one before. I > think it's pretty descriptive... > > DLM > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 7 11:59:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14498; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:55:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:55:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: vst looping plugin Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:54:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2002 16:54:48.0416 (UTC) FILETIME=[61C5F600:01C2867E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com GRM tools volume 2 has a 'Freeze' plugin. It's a bit difficult to control, since it doesn't do midi synch, but if you are looking for non-synched vst looping, it's very powerful. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Weissman" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 6:38 PM Subject: vst looping plugin > > this must have been asked in the past, but i couldn't find anything decent > in the archives... > > are any of you aware of any simple and effective vst looping plug-ins? > basically just want a delay type effect, with a 'freeze' option, but i'm > curious as to what else might be available. > > thanks, > paul > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 7 12:04:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16759; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:03:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:03:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008201c2867f$74fe8100$4b2d5a0c@u73x0> From: "Cino" To: References: <02fc01c2867d$6abf2160$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: NYC gig Friday Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:02:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "jim palmer" > does that make you the unmoved mover? No, I believe that's the young man who hauls furniture for a living but still resides in the same house with his parents . . . :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 7 12:16:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18356; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:14:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:14:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Looptalk@aol.com Message-ID: <196.104f785f.2afbf964@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:14:12 EST Subject: Re: EDP switches for drummers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias, are you saying that a single trigger connected to the EDP beat sync will send a signal to the EDP will control one EDP funtction, such as record to open and close a loop. Also, what is meant by "it would take a new quantize mode?" Do you mean new software or I need to select on new mode? tq In a message dated 11/07/2002 2:27:57 AM, matthias@grob.org writes: So why not preselect the function you want on some pad and then have it executed at the next cymbal hit? Its similar quantizing, but you can do it anytime... Is that it? This could be done with the BeatSync input. But it would take a new quantize mode. >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 7 12:56:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21154; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:55:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:55:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <20021102150623.67807.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> <016c01c284db$046d9570$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: Loop station Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:56:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2002 17:54:15.0793 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0187E10:01C28686] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >the guy was just resynching the loop manually, by hitting play on > >the downbeat... > > > some may call it sampling... but whatever, i was not aware of this > "foot-sync" function of the dl4, sorry. You can do this on the EDP too. I asked about it at one of Kim and Andre's EDP demos in Oakland. I think if you press mute, then press insert the loop will play only once (someone correct me here if I'm wrong). So you can retrigger every cycle by pressing insert. I was using this for a while to keep my live loops synced up to other people. Also you can use this function for a nice stutter effect. If you want the loop to repeat again I think you press mute to exit this function. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 7 13:00:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22966; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:59:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:59:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP switches for drummers Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:01:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2002 17:58:50.0833 (UTC) FILETIME=[54084410:01C28687] Resent-Message-ID: <_GQCrC.A.UmF.5nqy9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Also, you can buy any 20Kohm potentiometer and wire it onto a mono 1/4" > >cable. You can use this to control the feedback value. With a little duct > >tape, you could put a "lever" on the potentiometer shaft and mount it near > >enough to control it with your leg, or arm. > > this sounds great, Jon, do you use such mechanism and operate while > fully playing? I don't use it, but that's only because I'm lazy to build it (how weak is that?!). I've been thinking about mounting the pot near my left foot with an arrangement so that I can move it side to side while I'm playing. For now I've just programmed a patch full of direct feedback values into my triggers (I've only really started to experiment with changing feedback in the middle of a loop to replace old material, so that hasn't trickled down to my kit playing yet). Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 7 13:02:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23308; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:01:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:01:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: <1a8.b902992.2afc0460@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:01:04 EST Subject: Re: strange loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 11/01/2002 8:18:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, rs@moinlabs.de writes: > One of my studies is based on a harmonic progression which, starting in the > key of C, goes like this: > > Cm D7 Fm6 G7 Cm7 Ebm7 F#7 F > > taking a look at the functions of these chords in a C scale (and ignoring > for one moment 7ths and 6ths et al), we have: Hello. Nice chord progression. How did you voice the chords? I played around with it and came up with my own variation and added just a little to the progression. Here's an simple example of my variation of your progression In Cminor: Cm, D7, Fm6/C, G7/B, Cm7, Ebm7/Gb, F#7/E, F, F7, Bb. I found my ear wanting to move from the BbM at the end immediately to the parallel minor. Thusly starting the progression over again a whole step down. This is something very good to pursue. I have to admit that mostly when I loop melodically/motivically, I am very modal. Marc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 7 13:09:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23499; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:03:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:03:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP switches for drummers Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:05:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2002 18:02:43.0353 (UTC) FILETIME=[DEA00090:01C28687] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Has anyone considered a better way for a drummer to use the EDP footpedal > > controls. > another idea that may or may not work: try using the threshold record function. This will set up the EDP to record starting the moment that you start playing. If you place the unit near your left hand, you can hit record at the end of a cycle pretty easily. Yet another idea. I believe that you could wire a switch in parallel with the footpedal. This single switch would control the record button, which for many loopers is the only function that needs to be carefully controlled timing-wise. Experiment with where to put this switch - but you could probably get one that would work by hitting it with a stick I'd bet. Need more details? I can explain how to wire this, but you'll need to have some (very) basic soldering skills. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 7 15:47:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04436; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:43:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:43:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006e01c2869d$7871da30$030aa8c0@powerpack> Reply-To: "Michael C. Gorman" From: "Michael C. Gorman" To: References: <1a8.b902992.2afc0460@aol.com> Subject: Second Sufis live looping concert, Saturday Nov. 16 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:37:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wanted to make sure everyone knows that Second Sufis will be performing two sets of original loop-based music for our friends out near Worcester, Mass: Saturday, Nov. 16 9 pm The Above Club 264 Park Ave. Worcester, MA Second Sufis perform by inserting Chapman stick, guitar, various acoustic percussion, wind, and stringed instruments into numerous tape loops, creating a live overdub effect. The Above Club is located upstairs from the "Thai Cha-Da" restaurant. This is near the intersection of Park with Rt. 122A. The Above Club is a spacious, comfortable room with good sound and plenty of nearby free parking. Donation at the door requested. Hoping that many of you within a reasonable distance can make it. Directions to The Above Club: ------------- >From 90 East to The Above Club, Worcester MA 1. Take the exit- exit number 10, I-290/WORCESTER. 0.29 miles 2. Take three lefts along the ramp leading to 290. 3. Merge onto I-290 E. 5.21 miles 4. Take the RT-122A/VERNON ST exit- exit number 13- towards KELLEY SQ. 5. Merge onto MA-122A/VERNON ST. 6. MA-122A/VERNON ST becomes MA-122A/VERNON ST/MA-122. 0.02 miles 7. Turn SLIGHT RIGHT onto MA-122A/GREEN ST. 0.01 miles 8. Turn LEFT onto MA-122A/MADISON ST/MA-122. 0.49 miles 9. MA-122A/MADISON ST/MA-122 becomes MA-122A/CHANDLER ST/ MA-122. 0.81 miles 10. Turn RIGHT onto MA-122A/PARK AVE/MA-12. 0.20 miles >From 90 West (Boston) 1. Take the exit- exit number 10A- towards US-20/WORCESTER/RT-146/PROVIDENCE. 1.37 miles 2. Turn RIGHT onto MA-146 N/MA-122A N/WORCESTER PROVIDENCE TURNPIKE. 0.24 miles 3. MA-146 N/MA-122A N/WORCESTER PROVIDENCE TURNPIKE becomes MILLBURY ST/MA-146/MA-122A. 4. Stay straight to go onto MA-146/BALLARD ST. 0.32 miles 5. MA-146/BALLARD ST becomes MA-146/MILLBURY ST. 0.64 miles 6. MA-146/MILLBURY ST becomes MILLBURY ST. 0.37 miles 7. Take I-290 E. 0.16 miles 8. Take the RT-122A/VERNON ST exit- exit number 13- towards KELLEY SQ. >From 290 West: 1. Take the exit- exit number 18- towards RT-9/WARE/FRAMINGHAM. 0.14 miles 2. Keep RIGHT at the fork in the ramp. 0.04 miles 3. Merge onto MA-70 S/LINCOLN ST. 0.23 miles 4. Turn RIGHT onto HIGHLAND ST/MA-9 W. 0.89 miles 5. Turn LEFT onto MA-122A/PARK AVE/MA-12. 0.45 miles For our friends in Connecticut, Western Massachusetts, and New Jersey, we will also be performing the following Saturday afternoon at Gerosa Records in Brookfield CT with The Red Masque from Philadelphia. This is a FREE show. See http://www.secondsufis.com for more information and driving directions. The Red Masque, Second Sufis, and Dysrythmia will also be performing at The Sedgwick Theater in Philadelphia on Friday December 8. See http://www.theredmasque.com for details. Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 7 18:07:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17569; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:06:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:06:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021107230535.32638.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:05:35 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: EDP switches for drummers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1cvrqB.A.BSE.JHvy9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How about mouth or tongue controlled switches? I'm serious, I am not saying this tongue in cheek. bret --- Matthias Grob wrote: > >Here's a challenge. > > > >Has anyone considered a better way for a drummer to use the EDP > footpedal > >controls. > > > >Unless midi is involved, I think all of us use our hi-hat foot to > control the > >record, overdub, etc functions. > > > >My thought is to create switches that would respond to the down beat > of > >various crash cymbals. Double triggering seems to be a possible > problem > >though. > > > >Any thoughts? > > yes, you just called one, maybe its what you meant, I did not quite > understand: > I guess that the main problem with drum operation is that you usually > > want to hit a loop function at the very moment you also want to hit > the cymbal. > And you cannot have a cymbal for every function nor have the function > > happen at every cymbal hit ;-) > So why not preselect the function you want on some pad and then have > it executed at the next cymbal hit? Its similar quantizing, but you > can do it anytime... > Is that it? > > This could be done with the BeatSync input. But it would take a new > quantize mode. > Or you can implement it in MIDI, with Max or so... > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 7 18:18:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18483; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:17:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:17:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009a01c286b3$9a2b4470$0100a8c0@paul> From: "Paul Marshall" To: References: <20021107230535.32638.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: EDP switches for drummers Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 23:15:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There was a drum used in the 70s iirc that was a floor tom with a tube attached to the air vent, it allowed the drummer to control pitch with air pressure. I remember a conversation on RMMP where someone talked about some sort of communication aids that use pads in the mouth, the tongue triggers them. I suppose you could do both if you really wanted to. I wouldn't fancy singing :) Love my DL-4! Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Percussive Artist, Sound Artist www.powerhaus.net www.drumdojo.com NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 7 18:39:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20498; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:38:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:38:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <20021107230535.32638.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> <009a01c286b3$9a2b4470$0100a8c0@paul> Subject: Re: EDP switches for drummers Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:39:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2002 23:37:21.0155 (UTC) FILETIME=[9DED7530:01C286B6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > There was a drum used in the 70s iirc that was a floor tom with a tube > attached to the air vent, it allowed the drummer to control pitch with air > pressure. you can do this with any drum. Its actually quite wacky with a bass drum (if yours is airtight - mine has no tom mounts, so its quite airtight). The floor tom is a pretty fun trick. The snare drum usually works well too, its a funky effect if you keep the heads loose to begin with. Check out Galactic's drummer Stanton Moore. There's a track on one of their albums which is just him on his floor tom + air tube with a trumpet player. He's got a handful of other fun tricks too including toilet brushes on drums, metal bowl placed upside down on floor tom, and melodic glass bottle solos. Obligatory loop content: Stanton is also a looper using a boomerang and other effects live. Actually my first introduction to looping was seeing him do it live! Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 7 18:52:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21669; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:51:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:51:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 18:52:53 -0500 Subject: Nov 15 in Boston- A Night of Loops, Beats, and Guitar-Shaped Objects From: Daniel Soltzberg To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3119539973_912007_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <8XL8R.A.DSF.Vxvy9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3119539973_912007_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit hello fellow loopists-- my bass-loop based duo, Oranje, has a show coming up on Friday, Nov. 15, at the Milky Way in Boston. info below: FRIDAY NOVEMBER 15 AT THE MILKY WAY A NIGHT OF LOOPS, BEATS, AND GUITAR-SHAPED OBJECTS WITH ORANJE, SUPER-CANNES, AND THE REBECCA WEINTRAUB EXPERIENCE. VIDEO PROJECTION BY DAK! AND SQUAW DOORS OPEN AT 9 [ THE MILKY WAY 403-405 CENTRE ST. JAMAICA PLAIN, MA 617-524-3740 ] ORANJE 10 PM Oranje never the same way twice. bass loops, beats and vocals improvised songs and spoken word pieces in the vein of Mazzy Star, The Durutti Column, Portishead, and so forth . . . a beautiful wall of noise Dan Soltzberg bass, looping, beats Theresa Soltzberg vocals, percussion http://www.envelopeproductions.com --------------------------- SUPER-CANNES 10:50 PM swings your hips while your head trips Super-Cannes is a three piece band that brings together three of Boston's most consistently innovative musicians: Danny Lee - Drums & Grooves David Kirkdorffer - Unguitar & Space Doug Vargas - Guitar & Oh-Zone Past outings for the guys of Super-Cannes include: UZI, Womb to Tomb, and Young Snakes (the first outings for some of Boston's most rocking women Thalia Zadec (Come), Hilken Mancini (Fuzzy), and Aimee Mann), Cxema, El Dopa, .little a., and Auto 66. Together, they are exploring new musical territory once again. Says Danny Lee, "This is new stuff. It mixes rock and ambient music in a way that is exciting to play, and a trip to listen to." ------------------------ REBECCA WEINTRAUB EXPERIENCE 11:50 PM Mixing up jungle, drum n' bass, and free jazz improvisation, with influences as diverse as John Coltrane, Ella Fitzgerald, Towa Tei and Roni Size, Rebecca Weintraub Experience puts out soulful, intelligent drum n' bass for body and soul. --MS_Mac_OE_3119539973_912007_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Nov 15 in Boston- A Night of Loops, Beats, and Guitar-Shaped Objects= hello fellow loopists--

my bass-loop based duo, Oranje, has a show coming up on Friday, Nov. 15, at= the Milky Way in Boston.
info below:




FRIDAY NOVEMBER 15 AT THE MILKY WAY    A NIGHT OF = LOOPS, BEATS, AND GUITAR-SHAPED OBJECTS  

WITH ORANJE,     SUPER-CANNES,     =   AND THE REBECCA WEINTRAUB EXPERIENCE.
VIDEO PROJECTION BY DAK! AND SQUAW

DOORS OPEN AT 9

[ THE MILKY WAY    403-405 CENTRE ST. JAMAICA PLAIN, MA &nbs= p;        617-524-3740 ]



ORANJE            = ;  10 PM

Oranje            = ;            &nb= sp;   

never the same way twice.

bass loops, beats and vocals

improvised songs and spoken word pieces

in the vein of Mazzy Star, The Durutti Column, Portishead, and so forth . .= .

a beautiful wall of noise

Dan Soltzberg     bass, looping, beats
Theresa Soltzberg     vocals, percussion

http://www.envelopeproductions.com

---------------------------

SUPER-CANNES         &nbs= p;   10:50 PM


swings your hips while your head trips

Super-Cannes is a three piece band that brings together three of Boston's m= ost consistently innovative musicians:

Danny Lee - Drums & Grooves
David Kirkdorffer - Unguitar & Space
Doug Vargas - Guitar & Oh-Zone

Past outings for the guys of Super-Cannes include: UZI, Womb to Tomb, and Y= oung Snakes (the first outings for some of Boston's most rocking women Thali= a Zadec (Come), Hilken Mancini (Fuzzy), and Aimee Mann), Cxema, El Dopa, .li= ttle a., and Auto 66.  

Together, they are exploring new musical territory once again.  Says D= anny Lee, "This is new stuff.  It mixes rock and ambient music in = a way that is exciting to play, and a trip to listen to."


------------------------

REBECCA WEINTRAUB EXPERIENCE        &= nbsp;   11:50 PM

Mixing up jungle, drum n' bass, and free jazz improvisation, with influ= ences as diverse as John Coltrane, Ella Fitzgerald, Towa Tei and Roni Size, = Rebecca Weintraub Experience puts out soulful, intelligent drum n' bass for = body and soul.



--MS_Mac_OE_3119539973_912007_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 8 06:00:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA07017; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 05:56:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 05:56:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: EDP switches for drummers Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 02:54:45 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20021107230535.32638.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How about battery-powered switches? Just to avoid RAGE. -----Original Message----- From: Bret [mailto:echoplex@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 3:06 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP switches for drummers How about mouth or tongue controlled switches? I'm serious, I am not saying this tongue in cheek. bret --- Matthias Grob wrote: > >Here's a challenge. > > > >Has anyone considered a better way for a drummer to use the EDP > footpedal > >controls. > > > >Unless midi is involved, I think all of us use our hi-hat foot to > control the > >record, overdub, etc functions. > > > >My thought is to create switches that would respond to the down beat > of > >various crash cymbals. Double triggering seems to be a possible > problem > >though. > > > >Any thoughts? > > yes, you just called one, maybe its what you meant, I did not quite > understand: > I guess that the main problem with drum operation is that you usually > > want to hit a loop function at the very moment you also want to hit > the cymbal. > And you cannot have a cymbal for every function nor have the function > > happen at every cymbal hit ;-) > So why not preselect the function you want on some pad and then have > it executed at the next cymbal hit? Its similar quantizing, but you > can do it anytime... > Is that it? > > This could be done with the BeatSync input. But it would take a new > quantize mode. > Or you can implement it in MIDI, with Max or so... > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 8 09:01:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA21160; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:59:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:59:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Looptalk@aol.com Message-ID: <1a9.b9ebcb7.2afd1d22@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:58:58 EST Subject: Re: EDP switches for drummers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Miko, are there such switches? What would they do? In a message dated 11/08/2002 6:56:22 AM, m-i-k-o@attbi.com writes: << How about battery-powered switches? Just to avoid RAGE. >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 8 09:01:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA21194; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:00:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:00:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Looptalk@aol.com Message-ID: <6d.1b84b90.2afd1ccb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:57:31 EST Subject: Re: EDP switches for drummers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I greatly appreciate the input and output! The ideas are there and everywhere! To the electrical savy. What if we could eliminate the switch mechanism altogether and just leave the contact open. What if you ran a wire(s) from the edp pedal (as suggested by jondrums) and connected it to a cymbal (the metal content I am unsure) Then wrap gold foil or some other metal contact to the edges of a stick. Thus when the stick hits the cymbal it activates the function. tq From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 8 09:24:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22738; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:21:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:21:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:20:17 +0100 Subject: Re: EDP switches for drummers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <6d.1b84b90.2afd1ccb@aol.com> Message-Id: <344753A4-F325-11D6-BAD8-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw a drummer once trigger samples using sensor pads that he his with his elbows... they were positioned either side of him, and the position enabled him to still hit the drum pads at the same time.... I suppose any sort of electronic drum sensor linked to a midi convertor would do the trick... Just my 2 cents :) -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 8 09:43:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24095; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:40:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:40:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021108143811.13576.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 06:38:11 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: EDP switches for drummers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <344753A4-F325-11D6-BAD8-0003934B4712@solostring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1023181433-1036766291=:13464" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1023181433-1036766291=:13464 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sometimes avant-garde dancers have used triggers in their clothing to control various things (sample playback, lighting, etc) when they whack on their respective body parts. This might work for a percussionist, although it would probably be best suited to a hand drummer, while a kit player would probably rather have something that could be hit with sticks. Also, I remember a few years ago, someone on the list sent a link to photos of his customized Steinberger where he'd routed out the uppermost edge to house a row of EDP switches onboard the instrument; expanding this thread to other instruments, are any of you using similarly innovative non-conventional switching/triggering setups? -t- Stuart Wyatt wrote:I saw a drummer once trigger samples using sensor pads that he his with his elbows... --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD --0-1023181433-1036766291=:13464 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Sometimes avant-garde dancers have used triggers in their clothing to control various things (sample playback, lighting, etc) when they whack on their respective body parts. This might work for a percussionist, although it would probably be best suited to a hand drummer, while a kit player would probably rather have something that could be hit with sticks.

Also, I remember a few years ago, someone on the list sent a link to photos of his customized Steinberger where he'd routed out the uppermost edge to house a row of EDP switches onboard the instrument; expanding this thread to other instruments, are any of you using similarly innovative non-conventional switching/triggering setups?

-t-

 Stuart Wyatt <loopers-delight@solostring.com> wrote:

I saw a drummer once trigger samples using sensor pads that he his with
his elbows...


Do you Yahoo!?
U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD --0-1023181433-1036766291=:13464-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 8 10:05:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25137; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:58:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:58:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021108145707.50742.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 06:57:07 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: pompousprogloops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20021108143811.13576.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1594859007-1036767427=:49929" Resent-Message-ID: <6LZiP.A.KIG.iD9y9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1594859007-1036767427=:49929 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii OK, to follow up on the "innocent pleasures" discussion, I saw Yes in concert last night. Chris Squire has turned into a big ham... Unexpected topicality, though: when they did Jon Anderson's "We Have Heaven", the layered "tell the moondog, tell the march hare" line certainly seemed to be a real-time loop. I couldn't see Anderson's feet (or a rack), so I don't know what gear was being used. -t- --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD --0-1594859007-1036767427=:49929 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

OK, to follow up on the "innocent pleasures" discussion, I saw Yes in concert last night. Chris Squire has turned into a big ham...

Unexpected topicality, though: when they did Jon Anderson's "We Have Heaven", the layered "tell the moondog, tell the march hare" line certainly seemed to be a real-time loop. I couldn't see Anderson's feet (or a rack), so I don't know what gear was being used.

-t-


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U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD --0-1594859007-1036767427=:49929-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 8 10:15:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27611; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:12:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:12:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: EDP switches for drummers Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 07:11:29 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6d.1b84b90.2afd1ccb@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Too shocking -----Original Message----- From: Looptalk@aol.com [mailto:Looptalk@aol.com] Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 5:58 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP switches for drummers I greatly appreciate the input and output! The ideas are there and everywhere! To the electrical savy. What if we could eliminate the switch mechanism altogether and just leave the contact open. What if you ran a wire(s) from the edp pedal (as suggested by jondrums) and connected it to a cymbal (the metal content I am unsure) Then wrap gold foil or some other metal contact to the edges of a stick. Thus when the stick hits the cymbal it activates the function. tq From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 8 10:20:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28273; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:18:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:18:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: strange loops Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 07:17:02 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1a8.b902992.2afc0460@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <2upHTB.A.04G.iW9y9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com God, I wish I was able to feel in a safe space with numbers or not bothered by their mere existence- I feel like I'm looking at a test I'm bound always to fail!!! -----Original Message----- From: RandomLFO@aol.com [mailto:RandomLFO@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 10:01 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: strange loops In a message dated 11/01/2002 8:18:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, rs@moinlabs.de writes: > One of my studies is based on a harmonic progression which, starting in the > key of C, goes like this: > > Cm D7 Fm6 G7 Cm7 Ebm7 F#7 F > > taking a look at the functions of these chords in a C scale (and ignoring > for one moment 7ths and 6ths et al), we have: Hello. Nice chord progression. How did you voice the chords? I played around with it and came up with my own variation and added just a little to the progression. Here's an simple example of my variation of your progression In Cminor: Cm, D7, Fm6/C, G7/B, Cm7, Ebm7/Gb, F#7/E, F, F7, Bb. I found my ear wanting to move from the BbM at the end immediately to the parallel minor. Thusly starting the progression over again a whole step down. This is something very good to pursue. I have to admit that mostly when I loop melodically/motivically, I am very modal. Marc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 8 10:27:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29600; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:27:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:27:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: vst looping plugin Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 07:25:38 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002901c28640$12c3dc90$b1cec22b@camb.scee.sony.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw staring at it then saw a cat pawing at a door. I wondered- does it want to go out or come in? Or is it merely pawing for attention? -----Original Message----- From: Os [mailto:lists@collective.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 1:29 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: vst looping plugin VeryLongDelay & LongStereoDelay, both part of Pluggo (www.pluggo.com) mdaLooplex, from www.mda-vst.com, not officially released but in the OS X plugins download. cheers, os. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Weissman" To: Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 2:38 AM Subject: vst looping plugin > > this must have been asked in the past, but i couldn't find anything decent > in the archives... > > are any of you aware of any simple and effective vst looping plug-ins? > basically just want a delay type effect, with a 'freeze' option, but i'm > curious as to what else might be available. > > thanks, > paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 8 10:30:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29824; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:29:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:29:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: NYC gig Friday Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 07:28:00 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <02fc01c2867d$6abf2160$080210ac@jpalmer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Listen everyone- I got the "Go to New York message" a MILLION times- I got the "move" message a million times but- the message I never got was- when I would get to New York- who would be there to greet me? Where would I stay? AAAARGH! Am I going to fail this one also? -----Original Message----- From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 8:48 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NYC gig Friday does that make you the unmoved mover? > "Sound without sound generators"--hmm, haven't heard that one before. I > think it's pretty descriptive... > > DLM > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 8 11:18:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03611; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:17:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:17:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <166.16a729fd.2afd3d4d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:16:13 EST Subject: OT: David Fiuczynski West Coast Tour To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA03502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Please forgive me, there's no loop content here . . . but a really, really wickedly good guitar player will be touring the left coast very shortly (unfortunately not coming to my particular neck of the Oregonian woods). David Fiuczynski is not a looper (as far as I know) but he's been a big influence on me nonetheless. He and his new group TAO will be hitting a few spots in CA over the next few weeks. I wish I could make it to one of his gigs . . . but, alas, I can't (thought I'm sorely tempted to try anyway). He's a monstrous talent and a real musical innovator. If you have a chance to check them out you owe it to yourself to do so. Here are the pertinent dates and venues: In a message dated 11/8/02 7:00:16 AM, lian@torsos.com writes: >TAO West Coast Tour!! >Featuring Kaveh Rastegar, bass and Adrian Harpham, drums >and David Fiuczynski guitars > >Mon. Nov. 11th - Knitting Factory (Los Angeles) >7021 Hollywood Blvd. Suite 209 Hollywood , CA 90028 >8 - 8:50pm SHARP!! 323 463 0204 > >Tue. Nov. 12th - Temple Bar (Santa Monica) >1026 Wilshire Blvd Santa Monica, CA 90401 310.393.6611 11 PM > Special Guest Lian Amber!! > >Wed. Nov. 13th - The Catalyst Front Room (Santa Cruz) >1011 Pacific Ave. Santa Cruz, CA 95060 831-423-1338 >9:00 pm - 12:00 am (2 sets) 21+ FREE SHOW!!!! > >Thurs. Nov. 14 - PERI'S (Fairfax, Marin County) >25 Broadway Ave. Fairfax, CA 94978 415-459-9910 >Hotline: Carson Bench - (415) 663-1249 9:30 PM! All night!! > >Fri/Sat. Nov. 15/16th - Boom Boom Room (San Francisco) >1601 Fillmore at Geary, SF supporting ZONY MASH!! >8 PM Door $10 (adv.) Special Guest Lian Amber Also, for those of you NOT near the West Coast of America . . . >Another gig for the Boston area!! >TAO -- -- All-Asia Cafe >Tuesday, Nov. 19th -- 334 Mass Ave >Central Square -- Cambridge -- 617.497.1544 11:00 pm $5. 18+ And . . . >Fuze will be playing in Warsaw, Poland at the Guitar City Festival >http://www.guitarcity.prv.pl -- December 14th and 15th at the >jazz club REMONT!! Info about Dave and his various bands (including Screaming Headless Torsos and Lunar Crush) is availavle at: >http://www.torsos.com Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.mp3s.com/ophelia_pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 8 12:07:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09304; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 12:06:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 12:06:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: pompousprogloops Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 12:05:27 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c28749$09b5ffc0$592f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2871F.20E17E60" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20021108145707.50742.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2871F.20E17E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw them a few weeks ago, and I originally thought it was a loop he was constructing, but as it progressed, the 'repeats' didn't quite have the same inflections. I think it was pre-recorded. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com OK, to follow up on the "innocent pleasures" discussion, I saw Yes in concert last night. Chris Squire has turned into a big ham... Unexpected topicality, though: when they did Jon Anderson's "We Have Heaven", the layered "tell the moondog, tell the march hare" line certainly seemed to be a real-time loop. I couldn't see Anderson's feet (or a rack), so I don't know what gear was being used. -t- _____ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2871F.20E17E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I saw=20 them a few weeks ago, and I originally thought it was a loop he was=20 constructing, but as it progressed, the 'repeats' didn't quite have the = same=20 inflections. I think it was pre-recorded.
 

Dave Eichenberger

http://www.hazardfactor.com
 =20

  =  

OK, to follow up on the "innocent pleasures" discussion, I saw Yes = in=20 concert last night. Chris Squire has turned into a big ham...

Unexpected topicality, though: when they did Jon Anderson's "We = Have=20 Heaven", the layered "tell the moondog, tell the march hare" line = certainly=20 seemed to be a real-time loop. I couldn't see Anderson's feet (or a = rack), so=20 I don't know what gear was being used.

-t-


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U= 2 on=20 LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits=20 CD ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2871F.20E17E60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 8 12:11:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09808; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 12:10:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 12:10:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 11:09:57 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: David Fiuczynski West Coast Tour To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <03b901c28749$aa0100b0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <166.16a729fd.2afd3d4d@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > ...David Fiuczynski ... He's a monstrous talent and > a real musical innovator... i'll second that. i haven't heard him lately, but i have several cds with his weirdness all over them... no texas shows, eh? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 8 13:38:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17943; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:35:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:35:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:38:27 -0800 Message-ID: <3DAB0A130001BA40@mta08.san.yahoo.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Is there an Aaron Lennox on this list? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA17814 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am receiveing a bunch of notices that an 'Aaron_Lennox@musetrap.com' has sent out an email with a virus attached, but, there is only one address at musetrap.com, which is me (cpr@musetrap.com), so, I am guessing that someone has a virus, which is sending out messages with the fake address... Anyone? Anyone? Bueler? Bueler? -cpr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 8 13:56:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21957; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:53:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:53:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 13:54:16 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Is there an Aaron Lennox on this list? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <017a01c28758$3cdd40c0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3DAB0A130001BA40@mta08.san.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Roberts" > I am guessing that > someone has a virus, which is sending out messages >with the fake address... That's exactly what the current batch of viruses do. That email came from someone who received email from you at least once and still has it in their email client or at least their address book. Something to think about.... * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 8 14:11:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25195; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:09:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:09:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Is there an Aaron Lennox on this list? Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:07:59 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3DAB0A130001BA40@mta08.san.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com NO BUT THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP -----Original Message----- From: Chris Roberts [mailto:cpr@musetrap.com] Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:38 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Is there an Aaron Lennox on this list? I am receiveing a bunch of notices that an 'Aaron_Lennox@musetrap.com' has sent out an email with a virus attached, but, there is only one address at musetrap.com, which is me (cpr@musetrap.com), so, I am guessing that someone has a virus, which is sending out messages with the fake address... Anyone? Anyone? Bueler? 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 --part1_17.3143212a.2afd7335_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 8 15:15:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31933; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:14:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:14:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Is there an Aaron Lennox on this list? Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 12:13:09 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <017a01c28758$3cdd40c0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com they either received e-mail from you or SIMPLY put you in their address book... I had someone call me once and say we'd had sex! Well I looked through my logs and was able to determine that we chatted online once but we never hooked up. And I know we didn't... but he'd written my number down at some point (I'm always giving it out) and well - distorted reality... So if you don't know the person, you don't know him/her, I say... -----Original Message----- From: David Beardsley [mailto:db@biink.com] Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:54 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Is there an Aaron Lennox on this list? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Roberts" > I am guessing that > someone has a virus, which is sending out messages >with the fake address... That's exactly what the current batch of viruses do. That email came from someone who received email from you at least once and still has it in their email client or at least their address book. Something to think about.... * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 8 16:49:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08586; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:48:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:48:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: log files Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:48:13 +0100 Message-ID: <000201c28770$8a1df060$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <2H4WLB.A.FFC.7DDz9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Miko, > I had someone call me once and say we'd had sex! Well I > looked through my logs and was able to determine that we this is a great idea! Perhaps I should start taking logs with whom I have sex, too! (sorry, couldn't resist) Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 8 19:40:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21939; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:36:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:36:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:35:44 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP switches for drummers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > Has anyone considered a better way for a drummer to use the EDP >footpedal >> > controls. >> > >another idea that may or may not work: try using the threshold record >function. This will set up the EDP to record starting the moment that you >start playing. If you place the unit near your left hand, you can hit >record at the end of a cycle pretty easily. hm, this means that you really just play that loop, nothing before and nothing at the next 1 because you have the finger on the EDP, is that it? Can you play well, like that? >Yet another idea. I believe that you could wire a switch in parallel with >the footpedal. This single switch would control the record button, which >for many loopers is the only function that needs to be carefully controlled >timing-wise. correct! >Experiment with where to put this switch - but you could >probably get one that would work by hitting it with a stick I'd bet. Need >more details? I can explain how to wire this, but you'll need to have some >(very) basic soldering skills. >Jon -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 8 19:40:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21929; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:36:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:36:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6d.1b84b90.2afd1ccb@aol.com> References: <6d.1b84b90.2afd1ccb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:35:44 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP switches for drummers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >What if you ran a wire(s) from the edp pedal (as suggested by jondrums) and >connected it to a cymbal (the metal content I am unsure) > >Then wrap gold foil or some other metal contact to the edges of a stick. >Thus when the stick hits the cymbal it activates the function. > >tq not bad... it might not work for the Record switch due to bouncing (multiple contacts that produce a very short loop immediately, some thing to verify!) But it seems interesting for BeatSync where you dont have that bouncing problem. BeatSync also accepts audio pulses, so you could connect a mic to it, but maybe your idea is simpler and certainly does not suffer from cross talk. >Matthias, are you saying that a single trigger connected to the EDP beat sync >will send a signal to the EDP will control one EDP funtction, such as record >to open and close a loop. no, its a Sync in- and output. If you set Sync to IN and connect either a switch or an audio signal to BeatSync (just any kind of electric pulse) it will keep the LoopStart at that pulse. If you press Record after such pulse arrived in Reset, the EDP assumes that you want to sync to the pulse. So, if Quant is on, Record will only start at the next cymbal hit. Then the time till the next cymbal hit will be the cycle length and the loop will be rounded to a multiple of it. So by this you achieve two things: - You dont neet to hit Record exactly. Press it a little early and you get the precision of the cymbal. - As long as you dont change the speed of your cymbal too much, the EDP will follow it. Whether it really works satisfactory you will have to find out! Kim explains this better in the manual he is writing... is that chapter ready? > >Also, what is meant by "it would take a new quantize mode?" Do you mean new >software or I need to select on new mode? that would be new programming, because so far, quantizing only is possible to the internal time counting. In the future (maybe not this EDP hard ware any more) it will be possible to quantize to external events like the pulse coming from BeatSync. Thank you for stimulation and experimenting! Matthias > >tq > >In a message dated 11/07/2002 2:27:57 AM, matthias@grob.org writes: >So why not preselect the function you want on some pad and then have >it executed at the next cymbal hit? Its similar quantizing, but you >can do it anytime... >Is that it? > >This could be done with the BeatSync input. But it would take a new >quantize mode. >> -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 8 19:40:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21938; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:36:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:36:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:35:44 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: security and evolution Cc: Christine , Yan , PeBi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com two main forces direct most beings: SECURITY (Yang?) We want to know what happens around us, we are tired to suffer with fear, the sensation that keeps us awake. So we like that everything is about the way it always was, continues just repeating... until we get bored and listen to the other force: EVOLUTION (Yin?) We are curious, we want the new, unknown, because there may be a solution, an improvement, something to learn or enjoy. But there is risk to it, and if progress become too quick, too many "heroes" are sacrificed and we start looking for repetition again... My music includes both to the extreme: - the repetitive background with no breaks, just pure relaxation - the never returning solos and slow changes in the loop: guitar and feet constantly search for innovation The spirit enters a relaxed state, there are no surprises to fear. The mind has a line to follow and keeps busy and lets go off the repeating thoughts. The loops open the heart in confidence for the messages for evolution. In the pre-loop times, the mixture had to be reached by alternating between repeated and new parts? Why does most repetitive music have breaks in it? Does the listener like those surprises, or does he especially like if it goes on the same again after the break? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 8 19:41:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21930; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:36:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:36:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20021102150623.67807.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> <016c01c284db$046d9570$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:35:44 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Loop station Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > >the guy was just resynching the loop manually, by hitting play on >> >the downbeat... >> > >> some may call it sampling... but whatever, i was not aware of this >> "foot-sync" function of the dl4, sorry. > >You can do this on the EDP too. I asked about it at one of Kim and Andre's >EDP demos in Oakland. I think if you press mute, then press insert the loop >will play only once (someone correct me here if I'm wrong). So you can >retrigger every cycle by pressing insert. I was using this for a while to >keep my live loops synced up to other people. Also you can use this >function for a nice stutter effect. If you want the loop to repeat again I >think you press mute to exit this function. or Undo while Mute to make it play from the beginning forever again or Undo while its playing the sample to make it go on forever again (only Loop4) >Jon -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 8 20:43:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28412; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:42:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:42:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DCC59C1.4BD46494@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 17:41:36 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: security and evolution References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think it's human nature to look for discontinuity and surprise. Look at skateboarders. Marklar Matthias Grob wrote: > two main forces direct most beings: > > SECURITY (Yang?) > We want to know what happens around us, we are tired to suffer with > fear, the sensation that keeps us awake. So we like that everything > is about the way it always was, continues just repeating... until we > get bored and listen to the other force: > > EVOLUTION (Yin?) > We are curious, we want the new, unknown, because there may be a > solution, an improvement, something to learn or enjoy. But there is > risk to it, and if progress become too quick, too many "heroes" are > sacrificed and we start looking for repetition again... > > My music includes both to the extreme: > - the repetitive background with no breaks, just pure relaxation > - the never returning solos and slow changes in the loop: guitar and > feet constantly search for innovation > > The spirit enters a relaxed state, there are no surprises to fear. > The mind has a line to follow and keeps busy and lets go off the > repeating thoughts. > > The loops open the heart in confidence for the messages for evolution. > > In the pre-loop times, the mixture had to be reached by alternating > between repeated and new parts? > > Why does most repetitive music have breaks in it? Does the listener > like those surprises, or does he especially like if it goes on the > same again after the break? > -- > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 8 21:40:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01343; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 21:32:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 21:32:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP switches for drummers Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:33:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2002 02:31:20.0627 (UTC) FILETIME=[16C03830:01C28798] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >start playing. If you place the unit near your left hand, you can hit > >record at the end of a cycle pretty easily. > > hm, this means that you really just play that loop, nothing before > and nothing at the next 1 because you have the finger on the EDP, is > that it? Can you play well, like that? > ha! You forget that a kit drummer uses 4 limbs independently to make sounds, so sparing 1 limb isn't as big a deal as it is for a guitar player. It takes some practice to learn certain patterns with only one hand, but it is possible for most types of music. So, yes, I CAN play like that. Now the question that is still in the air: Can I play well, like that? Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 8 21:48:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02506; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 21:45:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 21:45:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: OT: RE: security and evolution Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:44:14 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can someone give me good news today? Like, no one is sacrificed? Like, we may all be alone essentially but we won't all die alone? This waxes too philosophical for this place. Sorry. -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 4:36 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Christine; Yan; PeBi Subject: security and evolution two main forces direct most beings: SECURITY (Yang?) We want to know what happens around us, we are tired to suffer with fear, the sensation that keeps us awake. So we like that everything is about the way it always was, continues just repeating... until we get bored and listen to the other force: EVOLUTION (Yin?) We are curious, we want the new, unknown, because there may be a solution, an improvement, something to learn or enjoy. But there is risk to it, and if progress become too quick, too many "heroes" are sacrificed and we start looking for repetition again... My music includes both to the extreme: - the repetitive background with no breaks, just pure relaxation - the never returning solos and slow changes in the loop: guitar and feet constantly search for innovation The spirit enters a relaxed state, there are no surprises to fear. The mind has a line to follow and keeps busy and lets go off the repeating thoughts. The loops open the heart in confidence for the messages for evolution. In the pre-loop times, the mixture had to be reached by alternating between repeated and new parts? Why does most repetitive music have breaks in it? Does the listener like those surprises, or does he especially like if it goes on the same again after the break? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 8 22:44:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07871; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:43:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:43:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a601c287a3$b346b610$fea55e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: Subject: Re: security and evolution Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:54:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Aside from pure looping on the "tools of the trade," being a classical pianist (trying to be...), I practice little segments ||: over and over :|| There's joy in getting really deeply into repeating, learning/basking. Very meditative. David > two main forces direct most beings: > > SECURITY (Yang?) > We want to know what happens around us, we are tired to suffer with > fear, the sensation that keeps us awake. So we like that everything > is about the way it always was, continues just repeating... until we > get bored and listen to the other force: > > EVOLUTION (Yin?) > We are curious, we want the new, unknown, because there may be a > solution, an improvement, something to learn or enjoy. But there is > risk to it, and if progress become too quick, too many "heroes" are > sacrificed and we start looking for repetition again... > > My music includes both to the extreme: > - the repetitive background with no breaks, just pure relaxation > - the never returning solos and slow changes in the loop: guitar and > feet constantly search for innovation > > The spirit enters a relaxed state, there are no surprises to fear. > The mind has a line to follow and keeps busy and lets go off the > repeating thoughts. > > The loops open the heart in confidence for the messages for evolution. > > In the pre-loop times, the mixture had to be reached by alternating > between repeated and new parts? > > Why does most repetitive music have breaks in it? Does the listener > like those surprises, or does he especially like if it goes on the > same again after the break? > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 9 00:12:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18053; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 00:11:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 00:11:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <90.2ebbc6a5.2afdf2dd@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 00:10:53 EST Subject: Re: security and evolution To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_90.2ebbc6a5.2afdf2dd_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_90.2ebbc6a5.2afdf2dd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/8/02 10:42:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, DavAuk@Hevanet.com writes: > I practice little segments > > ||: over and over :|| > i enjoy doing this also, its like you are being the "looper" playing to a "loop".....michael --part1_90.2ebbc6a5.2afdf2dd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/8/02 10:42:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, DavAuk@Hevanet.com writes:


I practice little segments

||: over and over :||


i enjoy doing this also, its like you are being the "looper" playing to a "loop".....michael --part1_90.2ebbc6a5.2afdf2dd_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 9 01:48:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27403; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 01:44:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 01:44:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DCCAFC4.16342D90@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 00:48:36 -0600 From: Kirby Shelstad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: RE: security and evolution References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com speaking of loops.... since the election on tuesday, there is no good news and there will continue to be no good news, possibly over and over til we either hold down the record button or even reboot waxing too political........and saw JFK again. k Like, we may all not be alone essentially but we definately all die alone? MIKO wrote: > Can someone give me good news today? Like, no one is sacrificed? > > Like, we may all be alone essentially but we won't all die alone? > > This waxes too philosophical for this place. Sorry. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] > Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 4:36 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Cc: Christine; Yan; PeBi > Subject: security and evolution > > two main forces direct most beings: > > SECURITY (Yang?) > We want to know what happens around us, we are tired to suffer with > fear, the sensation that keeps us awake. So we like that everything > is about the way it always was, continues just repeating... until we > get bored and listen to the other force: > > EVOLUTION (Yin?) > We are curious, we want the new, unknown, because there may be a > solution, an improvement, something to learn or enjoy. But there is > risk to it, and if progress become too quick, too many "heroes" are > sacrificed and we start looking for repetition again... > > My music includes both to the extreme: > - the repetitive background with no breaks, just pure relaxation > - the never returning solos and slow changes in the loop: guitar and > feet constantly search for innovation > > The spirit enters a relaxed state, there are no surprises to fear. > The mind has a line to follow and keeps busy and lets go off the > repeating thoughts. > > The loops open the heart in confidence for the messages for evolution. > > In the pre-loop times, the mixture had to be reached by alternating > between repeated and new parts? > > Why does most repetitive music have breaks in it? Does the listener > like those surprises, or does he especially like if it goes on the > same again after the break? > -- > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 9 02:07:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA30562; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 02:05:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 02:05:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: OT: RE: security and evolution Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 23:05:27 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3DCCAFC4.16342D90@mindspring.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One thing is for sure . . . Everything changes and everything stays the same-- Nice trick. G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 9 02:22:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA31557; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 02:16:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 02:16:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3DCC59C1.4BD46494@zerocrossing.net> References: <3DCC59C1.4BD46494@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 02:08:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: security and evolution Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > >> Why does most repetitive music have breaks in it? Does the listener >> like those surprises, or does he especially like if it goes on the > > same again after the break? > > -- Some of my favorite music (at least heard live) has the following properties: 1. It is very difficult to determine at any given moment what the music is going to sound like one minute later. 2. At no point does a transition feel illogical or forced. Indeed, at its best, there is no awareness of transition, just a logical flow taking you to many different places. -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 9 04:12:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA11210; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 04:11:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 04:11:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: Re: DP+Repeater (was: Digitech gnx 3) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 01:11:07 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c287cf$f01a9850$6401a8c0@om> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ernesto- Could you please elaborate? At what bpm do you start? I can't record a fresh loop at 1bpm- I get the "tempo slow" message- I'm curious as I am doing something that sounds similar on the EDP from time to time. Thanks- Cliff >Yeah, I do this a lot with the Repeater. I'll purposely overdub stuff at >1 bpm, and when I go back to the original tempo, they turn into this >scratchy noise. With some trimming I can turn it into a very rythmic >industrial type of thing. I've had some very cool results that way. >Ernesto From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 9 04:38:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA12787; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 04:32:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 04:32:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021109093158.4160.qmail@web41005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 01:31:58 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: OT: RE: security and evolution To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3DCCAFC4.16342D90@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't despair. In spite of their reputation as master conspiracists, the Republicans would have difficulty organizing a fart at a baked-bean supper. They will eventually shoot themselves in the foot & allow the glassy eyed fanatics of the Democratic loony left to once again have their day in the sun. Remember kids... Republicans set very high standards & fail to achieve them. Democrats have no standards what-so-ever. John --- Kirby Shelstad wrote: > speaking of loops.... > > since the election on tuesday, there is no good news > and there will > continue to be no good news, possibly over and over > til we either hold > down the record button or even reboot > > waxing too political........and saw JFK again. > > k ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 9 06:18:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA22239; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 06:14:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 06:14:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021109111349.22273.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 03:13:49 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: OT: RE: security and evolution To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20021109093158.4160.qmail@web41005.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well said ma´ man! --- John Tidwell wrote: > Don't despair. In spite of their reputation as > master > conspiracists, the Republicans would have difficulty > organizing a fart at a baked-bean supper. They will > eventually shoot themselves in the foot & allow the > glassy eyed fanatics of the Democratic loony left to > once again have their day in the sun. > > Remember kids... > > Republicans set very high standards & fail to > achieve > them. > > Democrats have no standards what-so-ever. > > > John > > > --- Kirby Shelstad > wrote: > > speaking of loops.... > > > > since the election on tuesday, there is no good > news > > and there will > > continue to be no good news, possibly over and > over > > til we either hold > > down the record button or even reboot > > > > waxing too political........and saw JFK again. > > > > k > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos > http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 9 07:11:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27045; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 07:11:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 07:11:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 Message-ID: <3DCC4852.D66D862E@ernieball.com> Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 15:27:14 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Armatronix Gig Contest Winner Announced Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Armatronix From: Engineering Sender: hans@ernieball.com Resent-Message-ID: <0AgD0B.A.qlG._sPz9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello again- Competition was fierce, but I'm very pleased to announce the winner of the Armatronix gig contest: Scuba Steve of Los Osos, California, U.S.A. Steve will spin Funky and Deep House with Armatronix next Friday, November 15th 2002 at Sweet Springs Saloon in Los Osos. The Show will begin at 9:30 pm, and there will be a $4 cover. Only those 21 and over with ID will be admitted. As a special surprise promotion from Armatronix' corporate sponsor, Red Bull North America, Inc., Scuba Steve will also be awarded half a case of Red Bull energy beverage. Thanks to all those who responded, and better luck next time. November 15th's show will also feature the debut performance of Glommstien, destined to be one of America's greatest German Techno bands. Wear your Lederhosen and get in for half price! In other news, Armatronix will appear live on KCPR Sessions on Thursday, November 14th from 7 to 8 pm. That's 90.1 on the FM dial, for those in San Luis Obispo, California. Or come on down to the station. If it's working, you might be able to watch on the KCPR webcam: http://kcpr.calpoly.edu/music/live.html Unfortunately, it has become fiscally impossible for KCPR to stream their broadcast to the internet. Find out more about that here: http://kcpr.calpoly.edu/music/live.html Keep on keepin' it real, -Hans -http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/armatronix/ Yeah, uh, see I got this really great routine I do using a long corrugated tube, a funnel, a sequencer, and my ass. Most people say its "sick". I'm kinda shy though and deftly afraid of criticism. Sound good, call me. Sir Phartzalot Los osos, CA entrant: zhane zoneman -----i deseeerve this for i am zee most hiphop unqualified and drunkest wierdo in the darkbar, eenytime. forever, i will be play the funkymunkey bassmachine or a terrible version of cornet until the dancers scream. believe me, little hans, my handle bar mustache is sexy for all those osos womens that would come to hear and watch as i gorge myself on tanqueray and pretzels while i squawk and fandangle my guitario or stop it all and i vill bleep blind stevie harmonica sunglass while the ladies crumble before our sounds. influences include pat benatar, inxs, and bootsie majango. thanks for de chances. i can play the skin floot and nutt juggle. and i end my show with a big splash that really getz the crowd involved. k-mo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 9 07:53:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA29658; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 07:44:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 07:44:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01c201c287ed$877006a0$0100a8c0@paul> From: "Paul Marshall" To: References: <20021109111349.22273.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: OT: Etheridge and Zappatistas Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 12:35:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had the chance to see John Etheridge and the Zappatistas last night in Belfast as part of the festival - it was a phenomenal gig. I was hiring the percussion gear for Teena Lyle (what a lady) and in fact I ended up at one point playing congas on 'I'm the slime' which was great craic. I noticed John's DL-4 from it came out of his bag, and yes it was set to looping mode. I sat eagle eyed all night to see if he used it but he didn't unfortunately. I spoke with him afterwards and he was saying that he uses it frequently but not for this particular gig, hence the reason why this post is OT. Fabulous band, fabulous music, fabulous night, oh and I got paid as well which can't be bad. :) Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Percussive Artist, Sound Artist www.powerhaus.net www.drumdojo.com NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louie Angulo" To: Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 11:13 AM Subject: Re: OT: RE: security and evolution Well said ma´ man! --- John Tidwell wrote: > Don't despair. In spite of their reputation as > master > conspiracists, the Republicans would have difficulty > organizing a fart at a baked-bean supper. They will > eventually shoot themselves in the foot & allow the > glassy eyed fanatics of the Democratic loony left to > once again have their day in the sun. > > Remember kids... > > Republicans set very high standards & fail to > achieve > them. > > Democrats have no standards what-so-ever. > > > John > > > --- Kirby Shelstad > wrote: > > speaking of loops.... > > > > since the election on tuesday, there is no good > news > > and there will > > continue to be no good news, possibly over and > over > > til we either hold > > down the record button or even reboot > > > > waxing too political........and saw JFK again. > > > > k > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos > http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 9 08:40:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02341; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 08:40:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 08:40:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021109133906.95046.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 05:39:06 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: OT: RE: security and evolution To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3DCCAFC4.16342D90@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Kirby Shelstad wrote: > > waxing too political........and saw JFK again. You mean the movie JFK? Read CASE CLOSED by Gerald Posner. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 9 08:48:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03019; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 08:47:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 08:47:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c287f7$d0cd9100$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents James Johnson with dreamSTATE & Wally Jericho Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 08:56:34 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday November 12th 2002 - James Johnson with dreamSTATE and Wally Jericho Renowned ambient artist James Johnson travels from Chicago for his third foray to The Ambient Ping. This trip he has invited Toronto soundscape artists dreamSTATE (electronics, loops) & Wally Jericho (trumpet, bass, loops, electronics) to join him for his performance. Soundscape improvisations & pools of ambient stillness will be criss-crossed with rippling grooves, urban injections & fractal chaos. Johnson is a very prolific artist and many of his new CDs will be available for sale at PiNG THiNGS during this special show. James Johnson - http://www.zeromusic.net dreamSTATE - http://www.dreamstate.to Wally Jericho - http://www.wallyjericho.com Between Sets CD - "Insect Groove" by Sarah Peebles - (c74) A series of works combining Peebles' electroacoustic sound manipulations of natural and mechanical samples on her own Max computer patches, with her performances on sho (an ancient Japanese mouth organ) and contributions from guest artists Ko Ishikawa, Jin Hi Kim, Nilan Perera and David Toop. http://www.interlog.com/%7Espeeb/ (Official release event for this CD is Nov.16th - more info below *) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the PiNG THiNGS ambient/experimental CD boutique. Drop off food at PiNG THiNGS for the Daily Bread Food Bank too. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday Nov.19th - Anomalous Disturbances & Sample Inq. http://www.anomalousdisturbances.com www.mondohifi.com Between Sets CD - "Kite Stories" by Brian Eno (Opal - 1999) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . * An interesting Toronto sound event next Saturday November 16th is "Cream Test Centrifuge", a collaboration between renowned British musician & writer David Toop (author of "Ocean Of Sound, Aether Talk, Ambient Sound and Imaginary Worlds"), Toronto-based electroacoustic composer Sarah Peebles, sound designer Darren Copeland & guitarist/improviser Nilan Perera. @ The Annex Theatre, 736 Bathurst St., Toronto Tickets $15 advance, $20 at the door (call 416-910-7231 for tickets) Immediately following concert is a CD Launch Reception celebrating two new releases by Sarah Peebles: "Insect Groove" (this week's Between Sets CD) & "108-Walking Through Tokyo at the Turn of the Century" @ Butler's Pantry, 591 Markham Street, Mirvish Village, Toronto. This is all part of the SOUNDplay series which is presenting several events this week, including a concert by Christian Calon & Shelley Hirsch (Nov.15th), lectures & a multi-media installation. Complete info at: http://www.soundtravels.ca/soundplay.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 9 14:03:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03679; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 13:59:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 13:59:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DCD5C0B.885F771D@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 13:03:39 -0600 From: Kirby Shelstad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: RE: security and evolution References: <20021109093158.4160.qmail@web41005.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com right on, I heard dat! our options aren't really too good at this point, I'm thinkin Canada..... k John Tidwell wrote: > Don't despair. In spite of their reputation as master > conspiracists, the Republicans would have difficulty > organizing a fart at a baked-bean supper. They will > eventually shoot themselves in the foot & allow the > glassy eyed fanatics of the Democratic loony left to > once again have their day in the sun. > > Remember kids... > > Republicans set very high standards & fail to achieve > them. > > Democrats have no standards what-so-ever. > > John > > --- Kirby Shelstad > wrote: > > speaking of loops.... > > > > since the election on tuesday, there is no good news > > and there will > > continue to be no good news, possibly over and over > > til we either hold > > down the record button or even reboot > > > > waxing too political........and saw JFK again. > > > > k > > ===== > John Tidwell > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos > http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 9 14:05:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03972; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 14:02:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 14:02:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DCD5CB6.61100216@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 13:06:29 -0600 From: Kirby Shelstad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: RE: security and evolution References: <20021109133906.95046.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8oVdrD.A.x9.suVz9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeh, the movie, will checkon the book. thanks k John Tidwell wrote: > --- Kirby Shelstad > wrote: > > > > waxing too political........and saw JFK again. > > You mean the movie JFK? > > Read CASE CLOSED by Gerald Posner. > > John > > ===== > John Tidwell > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos > http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 9 14:10:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04699; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 14:09:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 14:09:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 11:09:54 -0800 Subject: Re: EDP switches for drummers From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 11/8/02 6:33 PM, Jon Wagner at jondrums@hotmail.com wrote: > ha! You forget that a kit drummer uses 4 limbs independently to make > sounds, so sparing 1 limb isn't as big a deal as it is for a guitar player. > It takes some practice to learn certain patterns with only one hand, but it > is possible for most types of music. So, yes, I CAN play like that. Now the > question that is still in the air: Can I play well, like that? Didn't Def Leppard's drummer have only one arm? (Augh! My mind is filled with useless trivia!) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 9 14:16:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05229; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 14:16:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 14:16:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DCD5FFB.88C6A2@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 13:20:26 -0600 From: Kirby Shelstad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP switches for drummers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In the life story of Leanardo Davinci it is believed that he lost the use of his right hand in mid life and all the rest of the incrdible things he drew with his left hand. not sure how good he was with his feet tho' Mark Hamburg wrote: > on 11/8/02 6:33 PM, Jon Wagner at jondrums@hotmail.com wrote: > > > ha! You forget that a kit drummer uses 4 limbs independently to make > > sounds, so sparing 1 limb isn't as big a deal as it is for a guitar player. > > It takes some practice to learn certain patterns with only one hand, but it > > is possible for most types of music. So, yes, I CAN play like that. Now the > > question that is still in the air: Can I play well, like that? > > Didn't Def Leppard's drummer have only one arm? (Augh! My mind is filled > with useless trivia!) > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 9 14:36:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06228; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 14:36:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 14:36:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <90.2ebbc6a5.2afdf2dd@aol.com> References: <90.2ebbc6a5.2afdf2dd@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 17:35:35 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: playing loops or let the looper play? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3VXFuD.A.4gB.ZOWz9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>I practice little segments >> >>||: over and over :|| >> :-) rather: ||: over and :|| > >i enjoy doing this also, its like you are being the "looper" playing >to a "loop".....michael is it really the same feeling? I have a really hard time to do this. Until a few years ago, I completely rejected it. So therefore my thurst for the loop tool. Then I became curious about playing looping and realized I can pretty easily repeat something a few times, but then automatically a variation drops in. Why is that? If the brain is able to repeat (since it does it a few times) and I ask it to continue, why does some other part of me interfere? Now that I am getting better at it, I still dont feel the same as with a looping tool, there is a lack of freedom to really dive into it... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 9 14:40:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06147; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 14:34:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 14:34:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 11:04:40 -0800 Subject: Re: EDP switches for drummers From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 11/6/02 10:27 PM, Matthias Grob at matthias@grob.org wrote: > This could be done with the BeatSync input. But it would take a new > quantize mode. I've thought on occasion that the way to make more functionality available for "live" play might be to have a somewhat more complicate "select a function" process together with a "now" footswitch. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 9 15:15:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10134; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 15:14:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 15:14:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <90.2ebbc6a5.2afdf2dd@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 15:11:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: playing loops or let the looper play? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I do a lot of loop-ish music with my Nord modular. Usually what I do is set up a complex looping part in which different aspects of the music (pitch, note pattern etc.) loop at different rates using the Nord's built in sequencers. Then I send the results to my JamMan for echoes. I assign all of the knobs on the Nord to something (and often have 4 of these going), so there is plenty for me to do. but often it is satisfying when the music gets to an interesting place to just listen and not do much. I think the key performance questions here is how long to let something happening, and how to execute the transitions from one section to another. At 5:35 PM -0200 11/9/02, Matthias Grob wrote: >>>I practice little segments >>> >>>||: over and over :|| >>> > >:-) rather: ||: over and :|| > >> >>i enjoy doing this also, its like you are being the "looper" >>playing to a "loop".....michael > >is it really the same feeling? > >I have a really hard time to do this. Until a few years ago, I >completely rejected it. So therefore my thurst for the loop tool. >Then I became curious about playing looping and realized I can >pretty easily repeat something a few times, but then automatically a >variation drops in. Why is that? >If the brain is able to repeat (since it does it a few times) and I >ask it to continue, why does some other part of me interfere? >Now that I am getting better at it, I still dont feel the same as >with a looping tool, there is a lack of freedom to really dive into >it... >-- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 9 16:38:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16717; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:32:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:32:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000601c28837$74412380$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <90.2ebbc6a5.2afdf2dd@aol.com> Subject: Re: playing loops or let the looper play? Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:32:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop018.verizon.net from [68.160.7.177] at Sat, 9 Nov 2002 15:32:07 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Emile - I find that if I am more relaxed and allow things to happen, then it is easier for the audience to also be relaxed and accept what is happening. The need to create "events" in the music can pull us along, but sometimes at the expense of allowing what is already going on having the time to breathe. So, now you know why when I'm doing my looping thing, I travel under the name UNDO. :-) David P.S. By the way, are you hooked up with the Boston Looping event some folks are organizing for January? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" To: Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 3:11 PM Subject: Re: playing loops or let the looper play? > I do a lot of loop-ish music with my Nord modular. Usually what I do > is set up a complex looping part in which different aspects of the > music (pitch, note pattern etc.) loop at different rates using the > Nord's built in sequencers. Then I send the results to my JamMan for > echoes. > > I assign all of the knobs on the Nord to something (and often have 4 > of these going), so there is plenty for me to do. but often it is > satisfying when the music gets to an interesting place to just listen > and not do much. > > I think the key performance questions here is how long to let > something happening, and how to execute the transitions from one > section to another. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 9 17:51:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23232; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 17:48:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 17:48:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021109224754.22363.qmail@web80102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 14:47:54 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: ot: caetano veloso looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000601c28837$74412380$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1791388959-1036882074=:22048" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1791388959-1036882074=:22048 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii don't know if anybody cares but i was flipping through the booklet from caetano veloso's latest nonesuch release "live in bahia" and there's an obscured picture of what appears to be HIS pedalboard and what doth my eyes behold? but an akai headrush sitting next to a few other devices for which i care not. so maybe caetano veloso is secretly looping bossa nova style. i wonder how many musicians subtly include looping into their performances without professing to be loopers? -jim --0-1791388959-1036882074=:22048 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

don't know if anybody cares but i was flipping through the booklet from caetano veloso's latest nonesuch release "live in bahia" and there's an obscured picture of what appears to be HIS pedalboard and what doth my eyes behold? but an akai headrush sitting next to a few other devices for which i care not.

so maybe caetano veloso is secretly looping bossa nova style.  i wonder how many musicians subtly include looping into their performances without professing to be loopers?

-jim

--0-1791388959-1036882074=:22048-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 9 18:05:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25695; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 18:01:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 18:01:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004d01c28845$7fb58a40$8ea45e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: <90.2ebbc6a5.2afdf2dd@aol.com> Subject: Re: playing loops or let the looper play? Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 15:12:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > is it really the same feeling? You refer to practicing, practicing vs. improvising...? I suppose not the same feelings (but, is any loop the same as another...?). What I cited was the repetition (practice) of written music, and that's gotta be a whole controversy about the "art" involved in re-creating vs. improvising !! I spend a lot of time ||: over and :|| to be able to let some wonderful successions of notes flow through me, and I ALSO thoroughly enjoy crossing over to the "tools of the (looping) trade" to make some very Unpredictable sounds! My boat floateth in different waters...my oars dippeth in some rare liquids, indeed! David A. ============ > >>I practice little segments > >> > >>||: over and over :|| > >> > > :-) rather: ||: over and :|| > > > > >i enjoy doing this also, its like you are being the "looper" playing > >to a "loop".....michael > > is it really the same feeling? > > I have a really hard time to do this. Until a few years ago, I > completely rejected it. So therefore my thurst for the loop tool. > Then I became curious about playing looping and realized I can pretty > easily repeat something a few times, but then automatically a > variation drops in. Why is that? > If the brain is able to repeat (since it does it a few times) and I > ask it to continue, why does some other part of me interfere? > Now that I am getting better at it, I still dont feel the same as > with a looping tool, there is a lack of freedom to really dive into > it... > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 9 18:06:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26061; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 18:05:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 18:05:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 15:03:21 -0800 Subject: Re: playing loops or let the looper play? From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004d01c28845$7fb58a40$8ea45e82@audiows> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i luv practicing my improv... >> is it really the same feeling? > > You refer to practicing, practicing vs. improvising...? > > I suppose not the same feelings (but, is any loop the same as another...?). > What I cited was the repetition (practice) of written music, and that's > gotta be a whole controversy about the "art" involved in re-creating vs. > improvising !! > > I spend a lot of time ||: over and :|| to be able to let some wonderful > successions of notes flow through me, and I ALSO thoroughly enjoy crossing > over to the "tools of the (looping) trade" to make some very Unpredictable > sounds! My boat floateth in different waters...my oars dippeth in some rare > liquids, indeed! > > David A. > > ============ >>>> I practice little segments >>>> >>>> ||: over and over :|| >>>> >> >> :-) rather: ||: over and :|| >> >>> >>> i enjoy doing this also, its like you are being the "looper" playing >>> to a "loop".....michael >> >> is it really the same feeling? >> >> I have a really hard time to do this. Until a few years ago, I >> completely rejected it. So therefore my thurst for the loop tool. >> Then I became curious about playing looping and realized I can pretty >> easily repeat something a few times, but then automatically a >> variation drops in. Why is that? >> If the brain is able to repeat (since it does it a few times) and I >> ask it to continue, why does some other part of me interfere? >> Now that I am getting better at it, I still dont feel the same as >> with a looping tool, there is a lack of freedom to really dive into >> it... >> -- >> >> >> ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 9 19:03:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31202; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:02:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:02:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021110000131.55402.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:01:31 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: playing loops or let the looper play? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-244775188-1036886491=:54717" Resent-Message-ID: <0q1JMD.A.PnH.6Haz9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-244775188-1036886491=:54717 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm not disciplined enough fer that, and usually end up improvising my practice... -t- Stan Card wrote:i luv practicing my improv... >> is it really the same feeling? > > You refer to practicing, practicing vs. improvising...? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD --0-244775188-1036886491=:54717 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

I'm not disciplined enough fer that, and usually end up improvising my practice...

-t-

 Stan Card <stanitarium@earthlink.net> wrote:

i luv practicing my improv...




>> is it really the same feeling?
>
> You refer to practicing, practicing vs. improvising...?


Do you Yahoo!?
U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD --0-244775188-1036886491=:54717-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 9 21:42:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12974; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 21:33:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 21:33:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 21:34:08 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: sorta OT: David Hykes, harmonic chant/overtone singing in Vancouver, B.C. To: ":: 3/2, 7/4, 9/8..." , "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Message-id: <006c01c28861$a57af820$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Y5lX+vSR5G4/eXQ5nQB87Q)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_Y5lX+vSR5G4/eXQ5nQB87Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable >From David Hykes... * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley Greetings and Harmonic Salutations! We'd like to share with you the news of a 4-part series of Harmonic=20 Awareness events and teachings in Vancouver, from Saturday to Wenesday=20 evening.=20 David Hykes and the Harmonic Choir will be performing in Vancouver, B.C. = this Sunday evening at the Sacred World Music Festival. This performance = will feature the full U.S.=20 Harmonic Choir (David Hykes, Timothy Hill, Seth Markel and Joel = Bluestein)=20 and includes the world premiere of "The Silent Ground." David will also = be=20 teaching an experiential workshop, lecturing at the Vancouver Public=20 Library, and making a presenation at Banyen Books.=20 Hope to see you there. Here's the schedule of events: The View November 9, 12 noon David Hykes / Harmony Through Music Presentation at Banyen Books & = Sound,=20 2671 West Broadway. http://www.banyen.com.=20 The Work November 10 - David Hykes and the Harmonic Choir concert 9:15pm to = 10:30pm=20 at the Sacred World Music Festival, Plaza of Nations, 750 Pacific = Boulevard.=20 Weekend pass: Adult: $90, Youth & Elders: $80. Full Day Pass: Adult: = $35,=20 Youth & Elders: $30. Evening Pass: Adult: $30 at the door, Under 12 = years,=20 $5 at the door. Tickets available from Festival Box Office: (604) = 257-0366,=20 Banyen Books & Sound (604) 737-8858, Highlife Records (604) 251-6964.=20 http://www.sacredmusicvancouver.org The Vision November 12 - Vancouver Public Library presents David Hykes / Harmonic=20 Vision from 7:30pm to 9:00pm at the Alice Mackay room, lower level, Central=20 Library, 350 West Georgia Street. $10 per person. Advance tickets = through=20 Bookmark, the Library Store, in Library Square, 350 W Georgia=20 Street.http://www.vpl.ca.=20 The Path November 13 David Hykes Workshop "Silent Harmonic Self: Working Path, Fruitful = Garden -=20 you're awakening in the harmonic world." 6:30pm to 9:45pm Canadian = Memorial=20 Centre for Peace 1825 West 16th Avenue. $35 per person. Three half and = four=20 full scholarships available. Contact harmonique_centre@hotmail.com or=20 206-842-7904 for information on scholarships. Advance registration = through=20 West Coast Sacred Arts Society, call 604-732-6632. With best wishes, Mickey Gibson Harmonic Arts/West 206-842-7904 www.harmonicworld.com David Hykes/Harmonic Awareness/Harmonic Chant on the Web:=20 http://www.harmonicworld.com Europe: Harmonique/Centre Pommereau Autainville, France 41240 T=E9l. 33 254728212 USA: Harmonic Arts PO Box 85724 Seattle, WA 98145-1724 Messages: Tel. (206) 329 4152 --Boundary_(ID_Y5lX+vSR5G4/eXQ5nQB87Q) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
From David Hykes...
 
 
* David Beardsley
* http://biink.com
* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley<= /FONT>
 
 
Greetings and Harmonic Salutations!

We'd like to share with = you the=20 news of a 4-part series of Harmonic
Awareness events and teachings = in=20 Vancouver,  from Saturday to Wenesday
evening.

David = Hykes and=20 the Harmonic Choir will be performing in Vancouver, B.C.
this Sunday = evening=20 at the Sacred World Music Festival. This performance
will feature = the full=20 U.S.
Harmonic Choir (David Hykes, Timothy Hill, Seth Markel and Joel = Bluestein)
and includes the world premiere of "The Silent Ground." = David=20 will also be
teaching an experiential workshop, lecturing at the = Vancouver=20 Public
Library, and making a presenation at Banyen Books.
Hope = to see=20 you there. Here's the schedule of events:

The View
November 9, = 12=20 noon
David Hykes / Harmony Through Music Presentation at Banyen Books = &=20 Sound,
2671 West Broadway. http://www.banyen.com.

The=20 Work
November 10 - David Hykes and the Harmonic Choir concert 9:15pm = to=20 10:30pm
at the Sacred World Music Festival, Plaza of Nations, 750 = Pacific=20 Boulevard.
Weekend pass: Adult: $90, Youth & Elders: $80. Full = Day Pass:=20 Adult: $35,
Youth & Elders: $30. Evening Pass: Adult: $30 at the = door,=20 Under 12 years,
$5 at the door. Tickets available from Festival Box = Office:=20 (604) 257-0366,
Banyen Books & Sound (604) 737-8858, Highlife = Records=20 (604) 251-6964.
http://www.sacredmusicvancou= ver.org

The=20 Vision
November 12 - Vancouver Public Library presents David Hykes / = Harmonic=20
Vision
from 7:30pm to 9:00pm at the Alice Mackay room, lower = level,=20 Central
Library, 350 West Georgia Street. $10 per person. Advance = tickets=20 through
Bookmark, the Library Store, in Library Square, 350 W = Georgia=20
Street.http://www.vpl.ca.

The Path
November 13
David = Hykes=20 Workshop "Silent Harmonic Self: Working Path, Fruitful Garden - =
you're=20 awakening in the harmonic world." 6:30pm to 9:45pm Canadian Memorial =
Centre=20 for Peace 1825 West 16th Avenue. $35 per person. Three half and four =
full=20 scholarships available. Contact harmonique_centre@hotmail.c= om or=20
206-842-7904 for information on scholarships. Advance registration = through=20
West Coast Sacred Arts Society, call 604-732-6632.

With best=20 wishes,

Mickey Gibson
Harmonic Arts/West
206-842-7904
www.harmonicworld.com

David=20 Hykes/Harmonic Awareness/Harmonic Chant on the Web:
http://www.harmonicworld.com
Europe:
Harmonique/Centre
Pommereau
Autainville,=20 France 41240
T=E9l. 33 254728212

USA:
Harmonic Arts
PO = Box=20 85724
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--Boundary_(ID_Y5lX+vSR5G4/eXQ5nQB87Q)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 9 23:27:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24373; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 23:22:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 23:22:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.6; T1.001; A1.48; B2.12; Q2.03) From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 23:21:48 -0500 X-Epoch: 1036902109 X-Sasl-enc: hG9lvRw4emgxb8xF+4ClFg Subject: Re: DP+Repeater (was: Digitech gnx 3) Message-Id: <20021110042148.5DC2F2FD18@server3.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I first start the loop at a normal tempo, then slow it down to 1, and it lets me overdub at that tempo with no problem. Actually I've only tried this with the internal mem, so it might not work with a CFC. Ernesto On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 01:11:07 -0800, "Clifford Novey" said: > Ernesto- > > Could you please elaborate? At what bpm do you start? I can't record a > fresh loop at 1bpm- I get the "tempo slow" message- I'm curious as I am > doing something that sounds similar on the EDP from time to time. > Thanks- > Cliff > > >Yeah, I do this a lot with the Repeater. I'll purposely overdub stuff > at > >1 bpm, and when I go back to the original tempo, they turn into this > >scratchy noise. With some trimming I can turn it into a very rythmic > >industrial type of thing. I've had some very cool results that way. > > >Ernesto > > > -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm - mmm... fastmail... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 00:06:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28770; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 00:05:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 00:05:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021110050425.15947.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 21:04:25 -0800 (PST) From: charlotte moorman Subject: you're boring To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004d01c28845$7fb58a40$8ea45e82@audiows> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-U11NB.A.DBH.8jez9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you guys are really boring! you all sound like you study the Vicar diary entries! it's saturday night, for god's sake! stop pressing "LOOP7save?" and go out! hahaha OK love charlotte M. the LooP GoDDeSS __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 00:58:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00831; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 00:57:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 00:57:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: you're boring Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 21:56:30 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20021110050425.15947.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <4UJnsD.A.xM.HVfz9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's something less boring: The frequency is the power. -----Original Message----- From: charlotte moorman [mailto:swingsetc_70@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 9:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: you're boring you guys are really boring! you all sound like you study the Vicar diary entries! it's saturday night, for god's sake! stop pressing "LOOP7save?" and go out! hahaha OK love charlotte M. the LooP GoDDeSS __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 01:13:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03633; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:13:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:13:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1aa.bb30076.2aff52d7@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:12:39 EST Subject: Re: playing loops or let the looper play? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1aa.bb30076.2aff52d7_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1aa.bb30076.2aff52d7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/9/02 2:36:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, matthias@grob.org writes: > Then I became curious about playing looping and realized I can pretty > easily repeat something a few times, but then automatically a > variation drops in. Why is that? > because you are not a machine.....perhaps something to be thankful for?.....michael --part1_1aa.bb30076.2aff52d7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/9/02 2:36:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, matthias@grob.org writes:


Then I became curious about playing looping and realized I can pretty
easily repeat something a few times, but then automatically a
variation drops in. Why is that?


because you are not a machine.....perhaps something to be thankful for?.....michael --part1_1aa.bb30076.2aff52d7_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 01:17:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03840; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:15:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:15:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <61.28f9ca4f.2aff5372@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:15:14 EST Subject: Re: playing loops or let the looper play? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_61.28f9ca4f.2aff5372_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_61.28f9ca4f.2aff5372_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/9/02 3:14:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, emile@foryourhead.com writes: > I think the key performance questions here is how long to let > something happening, and how to execute the transitions from one > section to another. > 100% yes!.....michael --part1_61.28f9ca4f.2aff5372_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/9/02 3:14:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, emile@foryourhead.com writes:


I think the key performance questions here is how long to let
something happening, and how to execute the transitions from one
section to another.


100% yes!.....michael --part1_61.28f9ca4f.2aff5372_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 01:25:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04367; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:22:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:22:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1b8.92b55ec.2aff54f6@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:21:42 EST Subject: Re: ot: caetano veloso looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1b8.92b55ec.2aff54f6_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1b8.92b55ec.2aff54f6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/9/02 5:48:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, jimfowler@prodigy.net writes: > i wonder how many musicians subtly include looping into their performances > without professing to be loopers? perhaps they dont want to be lumped in with us.....:).....michael --part1_1b8.92b55ec.2aff54f6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/9/02 5:48:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, jimfowler@prodigy.net writes:


i wonder how many musicians subtly include looping into their performances without professing to be loopers?


perhaps they dont want to be lumped in with us.....:).....michael --part1_1b8.92b55ec.2aff54f6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 01:26:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03905; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:16:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:16:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <33.30030ffc.2aff53ae@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:16:14 EST Subject: Re: playing loops or let the looper play? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_33.30030ffc.2aff53ae_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: <9uHOB.A.38.4mfz9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_33.30030ffc.2aff53ae_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/9/02 4:38:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, vze2ncsr@verizon.net writes: > P.S. By the way, are you hooked up with the Boston Looping event some folks > are organizing for January? > more info please.....michael --part1_33.30030ffc.2aff53ae_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/9/02 4:38:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, vze2ncsr@verizon.net writes:


P.S. By the way, are you hooked up with the Boston Looping event some folks
are organizing for January?


more info please.....michael --part1_33.30030ffc.2aff53ae_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 01:32:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05069; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:29:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:29:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:27:30 EST Subject: Re: playing loops or let the looper play? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f3.23c6b7f0.2aff5652_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f3.23c6b7f0.2aff5652_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/9/02 6:05:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, stanitarium@earthlink.net writes: > i luv practicing my improv... > > thank you stan for cutting to the heart of this discussion.....beautiful.....michael --part1_f3.23c6b7f0.2aff5652_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/9/02 6:05:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, stanitarium@earthlink.net writes:


i luv practicing my improv...



thank you stan for cutting to the heart of this discussion.....beautiful.....michael --part1_f3.23c6b7f0.2aff5652_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 01:32:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04512; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:24:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:24:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <32.2fff28f0.2aff557c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:23:56 EST Subject: Re: playing loops or let the looper play? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_32.2fff28f0.2aff557c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_32.2fff28f0.2aff557c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/9/02 6:01:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, DavAuk@Hevanet.com writes: > My boat floateth in different waters...my oars dippeth in some rare > liquids, indeed! > well spoken!.....michael --part1_32.2fff28f0.2aff557c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/9/02 6:01:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, DavAuk@Hevanet.com writes:


My boat floateth in different waters...my oars dippeth in some rare
liquids, indeed!


well spoken!.....michael --part1_32.2fff28f0.2aff557c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 02:12:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA09129; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 02:11:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 02:11:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: mahijiru.cspc.us: www-data set sender to erwill@suitandtieguy.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: you're boring Message-ID: <1036912245.3dce067512bdb@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 02:10:45 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Williamson References: <20021110050425.15947.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20021110050425.15947.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.178.190 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting charlotte moorman : > you guys are really boring! you all sound like you > study the Vicar diary entries! it's saturday night, > for god's sake! stop pressing "LOOP7save?" and go out! funny, as much as i like bob fripp and have (not currently, but in the past) so painstakingly analysed his looping technique, i have not read _any_ of the Vicar's diary. and yes it's saturday night, and i'm in my studio with my techno friends makin some bumpin trance tracks to play at a rave next weekend in the Quad Cities. and now i'm reading email. but i did go out yesterday, does that count? Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 02:16:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA09507; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 02:15:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 02:15:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 22:55:36 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: you're boring In-reply-to: <20021110050425.15947.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1175209785==_ma============" References: <20021110050425.15947.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1175209785==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 9:04 PM -0800 11/9/02, charlotte moorman wrote: >you guys are really boring! Are you THAT Charlotte Moorman? The "Jeanne d'Arc of new music"? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1175209785==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: you're boring
At 9:04 PM -0800 11/9/02, charlotte moorman wrote:
you guys are really boring!

Are you THAT Charlotte Moorman?  The "Jeanne d'Arc of new music"?
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--============_-1175209785==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 02:29:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA10475; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 02:29:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 02:29:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: OT: you're boring Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 02:24:25 -0500 Message-ID: <002b01c2888a$33c8d7a0$12a6fea9@melon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20021110050425.15947.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oh wow, there's TWO goddesses on the board. that means there's got to be a third one hanging around somewhere, right? i'm gonna guess she's in kentucky, or new zealand ... *using the force* ... and her name's Liz ... > -----Original Message----- > From: charlotte moorman [mailto:swingsetc_70@yahoo.com] > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 12:04 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: you're boring > > > you guys are really boring! you all sound like you > study the Vicar diary entries! it's saturday night, > for god's sake! stop pressing "LOOP7save?" and go out! > hahaha OK love charlotte M. the LooP GoDDeSS From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 02:45:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11506; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 02:44:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 02:44:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: you're boring Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 23:44:10 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I looked on the web for Charlotte Moorman, and the famous cellist has been dead of cancer for 8 years-- So this must be someone else-- Gary PS My exciting evening included driving to Beverly Hills to play for a 80 year old woman's birthday party I finished off the evening with a loop but everyone was gone by then-- G At 9:04 PM -0800 11/9/02, charlotte moorman wrote: you guys are really boring! Then Richard Zvonar, PhD queried: Are you THAT Charlotte Moorman? The "Jeanne d'Arc of new music"? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 03:12:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA14526; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:11:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:11:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021110000648.041279d8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 00:12:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: you're boring In-Reply-To: <20021110050425.15947.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> References: <004d01c28845$7fb58a40$8ea45e82@audiows> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <03dfNC.A.eiD.bShz9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:04 PM 11/9/2002, charlotte moorman wrote: >you guys are really boring! that's for sure. I just got home, drunk out of my fucking mind cause it's my birthday. I think I'll go out for some more. You losers can come join me or sit at home being old like usual. party on, dude, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 03:13:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA14639; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:12:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:12:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 23:59:11 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: you're boring In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:44 PM -0800 11/9/02, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: >Well, I looked on the web for Charlotte Moorman, and the famous cellist has >been dead of cancer for 8 years-- Maybe reincarnated? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 03:15:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA14653; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:12:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:12:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021110081129.91980.qmail@web41012.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 00:11:29 -0800 (PST) From: charlotte moorman Subject: calm before the lull To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oh ho ho, no; but i'm very aware of dear ms. moorman and her contributions (and her attributes, lucky mr. cage!.. i did play 'cello in grade school, for about 2 seconds, then switched to keyboards, which i've never abandoned. i found your wonderful site by accident, and since i make my own drone/sound effect/vox/keys tapes with low fi tools- a few delay/repeat pedals, a new (Bday gift)loop station, a tape 1/4" deck(my dad taught me how to reverse a 1/4" tape's direction by rethreading the capstan, when i was 8, and i still use it!)- i come here now, every day, to drink at the well of knowledge. soon, my little demo CD of my band PUSSYKITTY will be ready (power-whispers and shrieky girl-sounds, with two other fine san fran chicks)and i'll start giggin' (like all the boys). teach on, brothers! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 03:53:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17180; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:50:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:50:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: playing loops or let the looper play? Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 00:48:59 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <3xuFTB.A.AME.w2hz9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Exactly, Matthew. And we all want to dive, don't we? -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 11:36 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: playing loops or let the looper play? >>I practice little segments >> >>||: over and over :|| >> :-) rather: ||: over and :|| > >i enjoy doing this also, its like you are being the "looper" playing >to a "loop".....michael is it really the same feeling? I have a really hard time to do this. Until a few years ago, I completely rejected it. So therefore my thurst for the loop tool. Then I became curious about playing looping and realized I can pretty easily repeat something a few times, but then automatically a variation drops in. Why is that? If the brain is able to repeat (since it does it a few times) and I ask it to continue, why does some other part of me interfere? Now that I am getting better at it, I still dont feel the same as with a looping tool, there is a lack of freedom to really dive into it... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 03:55:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17401; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:52:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:52:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: caetano veloso looping? Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 00:51:39 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C28853.54620BD0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20021109224754.22363.qmail@web80102.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <9ukleB.A.PPE.Q5hz9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C28853.54620BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All of them. Except those who profess to be loopers. -----Original Message----- From: JAMES FOWLER, III [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 2:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ot: caetano veloso looping? don't know if anybody cares but i was flipping through the booklet from caetano veloso's latest nonesuch release "live in bahia" and there's an obscured picture of what appears to be HIS pedalboard and what doth my eyes behold? but an akai headrush sitting next to a few other devices for which i care not. so maybe caetano veloso is secretly looping bossa nova style. i wonder how many musicians subtly include looping into their performances without professing to be loopers? -jim ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C28853.54620BD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All = of=20 them.  Except those who profess to be loopers.
-----Original Message-----
From: JAMES FOWLER, III=20 [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net]
Sent: Saturday, November 09, = 2002=20 2:48 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 ot: caetano veloso looping?

don't know if anybody cares but i was flipping through the booklet = from=20 caetano veloso's latest nonesuch release "live in bahia" and there's = an=20 obscured picture of what appears to be HIS pedalboard and what doth my = eyes=20 behold? but an akai headrush sitting next to a few other devices for = which i=20 care not.=20

so maybe caetano veloso is secretly looping bossa nova style.  = i=20 wonder how many musicians subtly include looping into their = performances=20 without professing to be loopers?=20

-jim

------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C28853.54620BD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 03:55:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17542; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:53:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:53:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: playing loops or let the looper play? Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 00:52:06 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <-Tc7iC.A.QQE.r5hz9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com LOL -----Original Message----- From: Stan Card [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 3:03 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: playing loops or let the looper play? i luv practicing my improv... >> is it really the same feeling? > > You refer to practicing, practicing vs. improvising...? > > I suppose not the same feelings (but, is any loop the same as another...?). > What I cited was the repetition (practice) of written music, and that's > gotta be a whole controversy about the "art" involved in re-creating vs. > improvising !! > > I spend a lot of time ||: over and :|| to be able to let some wonderful > successions of notes flow through me, and I ALSO thoroughly enjoy crossing > over to the "tools of the (looping) trade" to make some very Unpredictable > sounds! My boat floateth in different waters...my oars dippeth in some rare > liquids, indeed! > > David A. > > ============ >>>> I practice little segments >>>> >>>> ||: over and over :|| >>>> >> >> :-) rather: ||: over and :|| >> >>> >>> i enjoy doing this also, its like you are being the "looper" playing >>> to a "loop".....michael >> >> is it really the same feeling? >> >> I have a really hard time to do this. Until a few years ago, I >> completely rejected it. So therefore my thurst for the loop tool. >> Then I became curious about playing looping and realized I can pretty >> easily repeat something a few times, but then automatically a >> variation drops in. Why is that? >> If the brain is able to repeat (since it does it a few times) and I >> ask it to continue, why does some other part of me interfere? >> Now that I am getting better at it, I still dont feel the same as >> with a looping tool, there is a lack of freedom to really dive into >> it... >> -- >> >> >> ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 03:56:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17605; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:53:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:53:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: playing loops or let the looper play? Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 00:52:56 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <004d01c28845$7fb58a40$8ea45e82@audiows> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can anyone tell me where to find these rare liquids right now? -----Original Message----- From: David Auker [mailto:DavAuk@Hevanet.com] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 3:13 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: playing loops or let the looper play? > is it really the same feeling? You refer to practicing, practicing vs. improvising...? I suppose not the same feelings (but, is any loop the same as another...?). What I cited was the repetition (practice) of written music, and that's gotta be a whole controversy about the "art" involved in re-creating vs. improvising !! I spend a lot of time ||: over and :|| to be able to let some wonderful successions of notes flow through me, and I ALSO thoroughly enjoy crossing over to the "tools of the (looping) trade" to make some very Unpredictable sounds! My boat floateth in different waters...my oars dippeth in some rare liquids, indeed! David A. ============ > >>I practice little segments > >> > >>||: over and over :|| > >> > > :-) rather: ||: over and :|| > > > > >i enjoy doing this also, its like you are being the "looper" playing > >to a "loop".....michael > > is it really the same feeling? > > I have a really hard time to do this. Until a few years ago, I > completely rejected it. So therefore my thurst for the loop tool. > Then I became curious about playing looping and realized I can pretty > easily repeat something a few times, but then automatically a > variation drops in. Why is that? > If the brain is able to repeat (since it does it a few times) and I > ask it to continue, why does some other part of me interfere? > Now that I am getting better at it, I still dont feel the same as > with a looping tool, there is a lack of freedom to really dive into > it... > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 03:56:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17682; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:54:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:54:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <175.1182a57c.2aff78a1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:53:53 EST Subject: Re: playing loops or let the looper play? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Then I became curious about playing looping and realized I can pretty > easily repeat something a few times, but then automatically a > variation drops in. Why is that? you mean a variation in the pattern, which doesn't interupt it, or you mean moving on to something new? Listening to Turkish clarinet music, the "clarinet guy" (Mustapha Kandirale) is blowing over a simple repeating pattern. or so it seems when I listen in to the individual percussion lines, none of them is actually constant. always subtle variations. Somehow I'd really like to have that sort of effect with a looper, little variations in the rhythm. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 03:59:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17961; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:56:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:56:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: sorta OT: David Hykes, harmonic chant/overtone singing in Vancouver, B.C. Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 00:55:09 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C28853.D19E97D0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <006c01c28861$a57af820$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C28853.D19E97D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "Running Up That Hill" - Kate Bush -----Original Message----- From: David Beardsley [mailto:db@biink.com] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 6:34 PM To: :: 3/2, 7/4, 9/8...; Looper's Delight Mailing List Subject: sorta OT: David Hykes, harmonic chant/overtone singing in Vancouver, B.C. From David Hykes... * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley Greetings and Harmonic Salutations! We'd like to share with you the news of a 4-part series of Harmonic Awareness events and teachings in Vancouver, from Saturday to Wenesday evening. David Hykes and the Harmonic Choir will be performing in Vancouver, B.C. this Sunday evening at the Sacred World Music Festival. This performance will feature the full U.S. Harmonic Choir (David Hykes, Timothy Hill, Seth Markel and Joel Bluestein) and includes the world premiere of "The Silent Ground." David will also be teaching an experiential workshop, lecturing at the Vancouver Public Library, and making a presenation at Banyen Books. Hope to see you there. Here's the schedule of events: The View November 9, 12 noon David Hykes / Harmony Through Music Presentation at Banyen Books & Sound, 2671 West Broadway. http://www.banyen.com. The Work November 10 - David Hykes and the Harmonic Choir concert 9:15pm to 10:30pm at the Sacred World Music Festival, Plaza of Nations, 750 Pacific Boulevard. Weekend pass: Adult: $90, Youth & Elders: $80. Full Day Pass: Adult: $35, Youth & Elders: $30. Evening Pass: Adult: $30 at the door, Under 12 years, $5 at the door. Tickets available from Festival Box Office: (604) 257-0366, Banyen Books & Sound (604) 737-8858, Highlife Records (604) 251-6964. http://www.sacredmusicvancouver.org The Vision November 12 - Vancouver Public Library presents David Hykes / Harmonic Vision from 7:30pm to 9:00pm at the Alice Mackay room, lower level, Central Library, 350 West Georgia Street. $10 per person. Advance tickets through Bookmark, the Library Store, in Library Square, 350 W Georgia Street.http://www.vpl.ca. The Path November 13 David Hykes Workshop "Silent Harmonic Self: Working Path, Fruitful Garden - you're awakening in the harmonic world." 6:30pm to 9:45pm Canadian Memorial Centre for Peace 1825 West 16th Avenue. $35 per person. Three half and four full scholarships available. Contact harmonique_centre@hotmail.com or 206-842-7904 for information on scholarships. Advance registration through West Coast Sacred Arts Society, call 604-732-6632. With best wishes, Mickey Gibson Harmonic Arts/West 206-842-7904 www.harmonicworld.com David Hykes/Harmonic Awareness/Harmonic Chant on the Web: http://www.harmonicworld.com Europe: Harmonique/Centre Pommereau Autainville, France 41240 Tél. 33 254728212 USA: Harmonic Arts PO Box 85724 Seattle, WA 98145-1724 Messages: Tel. (206) 329 4152 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C28853.D19E97D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"Running Up That=20 Hill" - Kate Bush
-----Original Message-----
From: David Beardsley=20 [mailto:db@biink.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 6:34 = PM
To: :: 3/2, 7/4, 9/8...; Looper's Delight Mailing=20 List
Subject: sorta OT: David Hykes, harmonic chant/overtone = singing=20 in Vancouver, B.C.

From David Hykes...
 
 
* David Beardsley
* http://biink.com
* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley<= /FONT>
 
 
Greetings and Harmonic Salutations!

We'd like to share = with you=20 the news of a 4-part series of Harmonic
Awareness events and = teachings in=20 Vancouver,  from Saturday to Wenesday
evening.

David = Hykes=20 and the Harmonic Choir will be performing in Vancouver, B.C.
this = Sunday=20 evening at the Sacred World Music Festival. This performance
will = feature=20 the full U.S.
Harmonic Choir (David Hykes, Timothy Hill, Seth = Markel and=20 Joel Bluestein)
and includes the world premiere of "The Silent = Ground."=20 David will also be
teaching an experiential workshop, lecturing at = the=20 Vancouver Public
Library, and making a presenation at Banyen = Books.=20
Hope to see you there. Here's the schedule of events:

The=20 View
November 9, 12 noon
David Hykes / Harmony Through Music=20 Presentation at Banyen Books & Sound,
2671 West Broadway. http://www.banyen.com.

The=20 Work
November 10 - David Hykes and the Harmonic Choir concert = 9:15pm to=20 10:30pm
at the Sacred World Music Festival, Plaza of Nations, 750 = Pacific=20 Boulevard.
Weekend pass: Adult: $90, Youth & Elders: $80. Full = Day=20 Pass: Adult: $35,
Youth & Elders: $30. Evening Pass: Adult: = $30 at the=20 door, Under 12 years,
$5 at the door. Tickets available from = Festival Box=20 Office: (604) 257-0366,
Banyen Books & Sound (604) 737-8858, = Highlife=20 Records (604) 251-6964.
http://www.sacredmusicvancou= ver.org

The=20 Vision
November 12 - Vancouver Public Library presents David Hykes = /=20 Harmonic
Vision
from 7:30pm to 9:00pm at the Alice Mackay room, = lower=20 level, Central
Library, 350 West Georgia Street. $10 per person. = Advance=20 tickets through
Bookmark, the Library Store, in Library Square, = 350 W=20 Georgia
Street.http://www.vpl.ca.

The Path
November = 13
David=20 Hykes Workshop "Silent Harmonic Self: Working Path, Fruitful Garden -=20
you're awakening in the harmonic world." 6:30pm to 9:45pm Canadian = Memorial
Centre for Peace 1825 West 16th Avenue. $35 per person. = Three=20 half and four
full scholarships available. Contact harmonique_centre@hotmail.c= om=20 or
206-842-7904 for information on scholarships. Advance = registration=20 through
West Coast Sacred Arts Society, call = 604-732-6632.

With=20 best wishes,

Mickey Gibson
Harmonic = Arts/West
206-842-7904
www.harmonicworld.com

David=20 Hykes/Harmonic Awareness/Harmonic Chant on the Web:
http://www.harmonicworld.com
Europe:
Harmonique/Centre
Pommereau
Autainville,=20 France 41240
T=E9l. 33 254728212

USA:
Harmonic Arts
PO = Box=20 85724
Seattle, WA 98145-1724
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------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C28853.D19E97D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 04:01:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18140; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:57:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:57:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: DP+Repeater (was: Digitech gnx 3) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 00:56:06 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20021110042148.5DC2F2FD18@server3.fastmail.fm> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com slow is for happy machines -----Original Message----- From: ernesto schnack [mailto:schnack@mailbolt.com] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 8:22 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DP+Repeater (was: Digitech gnx 3) I first start the loop at a normal tempo, then slow it down to 1, and it lets me overdub at that tempo with no problem. Actually I've only tried this with the internal mem, so it might not work with a CFC. Ernesto On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 01:11:07 -0800, "Clifford Novey" said: > Ernesto- > > Could you please elaborate? At what bpm do you start? I can't record a > fresh loop at 1bpm- I get the "tempo slow" message- I'm curious as I am > doing something that sounds similar on the EDP from time to time. > Thanks- > Cliff > > >Yeah, I do this a lot with the Repeater. I'll purposely overdub stuff > at > >1 bpm, and when I go back to the original tempo, they turn into this > >scratchy noise. With some trimming I can turn it into a very rythmic > >industrial type of thing. I've had some very cool results that way. > > >Ernesto > > > -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm - mmm... fastmail... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 04:01:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18176; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:57:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:57:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005701c28864$cec72520$03f8c440@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <004d01c28845$7fb58a40$8ea45e82@audiows> <5.1.1.6.2.20021110000648.041279d8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: you're boring Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 02:56:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com happy birthday kim!!! i stayed home and made out. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 04:04:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18076; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:56:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:56:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005101c28864$a75ecbf0$03f8c440@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <1b8.92b55ec.2aff54f6@aol.com> Subject: Re: ot: caetano veloso looping? Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 02:55:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004C_01C28864.A58502E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C28864.A58502E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "perhaps they dont want to be lumped in with us.. :)..michael" wha?!...come on caetano. by the way, i gave tori amos new album a spin today just because mr. = torn is in the credits...wanted to hear some nice guitar. and i did. =20 -jim ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C28864.A58502E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"perhaps they dont want = to be=20 lumped in with us.. :)..michael"
 
wha?!...come on caetano.
 
by the way, i gave tori amos new album a spin today = just=20 because mr. torn is in the credits...wanted to hear some nice = guitar.  and=20 i did. 
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C28864.A58502E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 04:15:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA20839; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 04:14:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 04:14:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: you're boring Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:13:18 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <005701c28864$cec72520$03f8c440@g0wn7> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for telling us that. Now we all feel better (NOT). Happy birthday Kim... I guess it's your birthday... -----Original Message----- From: jimfowler [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 6:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: you're boring happy birthday kim!!! i stayed home and made out. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 04:18:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA21099; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 04:17:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 04:17:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c2889a$0b880580$292e2697@server> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <004d01c28845$7fb58a40$8ea45e82@audiows> <5.1.1.6.2.20021110000648.041279d8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: you're boring Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:17:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Happy Birthday Kim!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 9:12 AM Subject: Re: you're boring > At 09:04 PM 11/9/2002, charlotte moorman wrote: > >you guys are really boring! > > that's for sure. > > I just got home, drunk out of my fucking mind cause it's my birthday. I > think I'll go out for some more. You losers can come join me or sit at home > being old like usual. > > party on, dude, > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 04:29:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26362; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 04:29:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 04:29:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a001c28869$3651a860$03f8c440@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: Subject: Re: you're boring Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:28:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i dream of being 23 and making out with girls. i am 23 and i make out with girls...well, one girl...but it's the right girl, i assure you. for this you may legitimately feel better (un-not). -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 04:38:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA27743; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 04:32:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 04:32:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ac01c28869$be3149c0$03f8c440@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: Subject: Re: caetano veloso looping? Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:32:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A9_01C28869.BC887BC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01C28869.BC887BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "All of them. Except those who profess to be loopers." not the RUINS. it seems that they don't repeat anything. just give = their new ipecac release a listen. =20 there's plenty of music that doesn't LOOP in the sense that we use. = permutations maybe, but distinct loops...nope. i, on the other hand, = loop and stack like there's no tomorrow. i also permutate but i don't = want to get that personal here. -jim ------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01C28869.BC887BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"All of=20 them.  Except those who profess to be loopers."
 
not the = RUINS.  it seems=20 that they don't repeat anything.  just give their new ipecac = release a=20 listen. 
 
there's plenty of = music that=20 doesn't LOOP in the sense that we use.  permutations maybe, but = distinct=20 loops...nope.  i, on the other hand, loop and stack like there's no = tomorrow.  i also permutate but i don't want to get that personal=20 here.
 
-jim
 
------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01C28869.BC887BC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 05:13:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA32252; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 05:11:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 05:11:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021110101052.24953.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 02:10:52 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: you're boring To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001701c2889a$0b880580$292e2697@server> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <09oMY.A.n3H.KDjz9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alles gute Kim i too had a few yesterday! Louie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kim Flint" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 9:12 AM > Subject: Re: you're boring > > > > At 09:04 PM 11/9/2002, charlotte moorman wrote: > > >you guys are really boring! > > > > that's for sure. > > > > I just got home, drunk out of my fucking mind > cause it's my birthday. I > > think I'll go out for some more. You losers can > come join me or sit at > home > > being old like usual. > > > > party on, dude, > > > > kim > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 05:24:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA00426; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 05:21:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 05:21:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021110102031.25575.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 02:20:31 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: you're boring To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005701c28864$cec72520$03f8c440@g0wn7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9QPGRB.A.UG.OMjz9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Me too...and it was fun:-)) > happy birthday kim!!! > > i stayed home and made out. > > -jim > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 05:43:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA01624; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 05:40:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 05:40:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: you're boring Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 02:39:31 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20021110102031.25575.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Will people stop boasting about that fact that someone kissed them? Should I, in return, tell you that I stayed home and cried deeply inside, then outside, and sighed, and bled from my heart to the pores of my skin, REMEMBERING a kiss, rather than being party to one? -----Original Message----- From: Louie Angulo [mailto:laab2000us@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 2:21 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: you're boring Me too...and it was fun:-)) > happy birthday kim!!! > > i stayed home and made out. > > -jim > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 05:45:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA01529; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 05:39:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 05:39:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: OT: you're boring Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 02:38:00 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <001701c2889a$0b880580$292e2697@server> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No one wants to be old. But the minute you try to have fun you get punished for it. The minute you try to be generous you get punished for it. The minute you fall in love you get punished for it. The minute you find God in a stone, you get punished for it. The minute you say you want to do a drug to reach a shaman's deep state, you get punished for it. Yes, it's the most fucking awful thing in the world to be boring. Will someone please tell me where the people are who really do want to experience life? Apparently none of my friends. They want me to solidify like cement and rot in a grave called mundanity. I feel like dropping all off my friends and finding a whole new set. All of my old friends think that money is everything, that being comprehended every minute of one's life is a necessary evil- and worst of all- they fail to see the beauty in entropy, mistakes, passion, and random senselessness. And I HATE that I have to add "fucking" to my custom dictionary to get spell check to ignore it. -----Original Message----- From: Luigi Meloni [mailto:Luigimeloni74@libero.it] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 1:18 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: you're boring Happy Birthday Kim!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 9:12 AM Subject: Re: you're boring > At 09:04 PM 11/9/2002, charlotte moorman wrote: > >you guys are really boring! > > that's for sure. > > I just got home, drunk out of my fucking mind cause it's my birthday. I > think I'll go out for some more. You losers can come join me or sit at home > being old like usual. > > party on, dude, > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 05:54:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA02515; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 05:51:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 05:51:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: you're boring Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 02:50:41 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <1036912245.3dce067512bdb@www.suitandtieguy.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Will someone tell me where the PUNK is? I need to find him. :( -----Original Message----- From: Eric Williamson [mailto:erwill@suitandtieguy.com] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 11:11 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: you're boring Quoting charlotte moorman : > you guys are really boring! you all sound like you > study the Vicar diary entries! it's saturday night, > for god's sake! stop pressing "LOOP7save?" and go out! funny, as much as i like bob fripp and have (not currently, but in the past) so painstakingly analysed his looping technique, i have not read _any_ of the Vicar's diary. and yes it's saturday night, and i'm in my studio with my techno friends makin some bumpin trance tracks to play at a rave next weekend in the Quad Cities. and now i'm reading email. but i did go out yesterday, does that count? Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 06:04:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA02883; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 05:56:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 05:56:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: you're boring Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 02:55:36 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <1036912245.3dce067512bdb@www.suitandtieguy.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd rather be a drug-crazed roadie in love than a lonely bachelor with a stay-at-home job. ANY DAY. -----Original Message----- From: Eric Williamson [mailto:erwill@suitandtieguy.com] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 11:11 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: you're boring Quoting charlotte moorman : > you guys are really boring! you all sound like you > study the Vicar diary entries! it's saturday night, > for god's sake! stop pressing "LOOP7save?" and go out! funny, as much as i like bob fripp and have (not currently, but in the past) so painstakingly analysed his looping technique, i have not read _any_ of the Vicar's diary. and yes it's saturday night, and i'm in my studio with my techno friends makin some bumpin trance tracks to play at a rave next weekend in the Quad Cities. and now i'm reading email. but i did go out yesterday, does that count? Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 06:07:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA04845; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 06:07:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 06:07:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: you're boring Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:06:15 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not necessary. A mere slide of a ghost through your body is enough of a visitation. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 11:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: you're boring At 11:44 PM -0800 11/9/02, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: >Well, I looked on the web for Charlotte Moorman, and the famous cellist has >been dead of cancer for 8 years-- Maybe reincarnated? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 06:07:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA04785; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 06:06:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 06:06:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: you're boring Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:05:43 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WHAT, YOU DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THE DEAD? THEY'RE STILL AROUND YOU KNOW. YOU JUST HAVE TO RISE TO THEIR LEVEL. BUT WHEN YOU DO THAT YOU LOSE YOUR FRIENDS, YOU SCARE PEOPLE, YOU GAIN A SENSE OF DOING THINGS YOU COULDN'T DO BEFORE BUT NOT KNOWING HOW TO DO THEM... AND YOU CRAVE BOTH THE EMOTIONAL ROLLER COASTER AND THE VISIONARY STATE AND THE DRUGS YOU TOOK TO GET THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE... -----Original Message----- From: Clayton Gary Lehmann [mailto:relayonemanband@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 11:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: you're boring Well, I looked on the web for Charlotte Moorman, and the famous cellist has been dead of cancer for 8 years-- So this must be someone else-- Gary PS My exciting evening included driving to Beverly Hills to play for a 80 year old woman's birthday party I finished off the evening with a loop but everyone was gone by then-- G At 9:04 PM -0800 11/9/02, charlotte moorman wrote: you guys are really boring! Then Richard Zvonar, PhD queried: Are you THAT Charlotte Moorman? The "Jeanne d'Arc of new music"? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 06:08:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA05037; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 06:08:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 06:08:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: playing loops or let the looper play? Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:07:12 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <175.1182a57c.2aff78a1@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the butler did it. i always knew it. -----Original Message----- From: SoundFNR@aol.com [mailto:SoundFNR@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 12:54 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: playing loops or let the looper play? > Then I became curious about playing looping and realized I can pretty > easily repeat something a few times, but then automatically a > variation drops in. Why is that? you mean a variation in the pattern, which doesn't interupt it, or you mean moving on to something new? Listening to Turkish clarinet music, the "clarinet guy" (Mustapha Kandirale) is blowing over a simple repeating pattern. or so it seems when I listen in to the individual percussion lines, none of them is actually constant. always subtle variations. Somehow I'd really like to have that sort of effect with a looper, little variations in the rhythm. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 06:10:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA04633; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 06:04:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 06:04:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: , Subject: RE: you're boring Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:03:36 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <002b01c2888a$33c8d7a0$12a6fea9@melon> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE SAY THINGS LIKE THAT. IT'S GOING TO KEEP ME UP ALL NIGHT. NEW ZEALAND???? I KNEW A GIRL FROM KENTUCKY ONCE- LOS ANGELES ALSO- BUT HER NAME WASN'T LIZ... THE KENTUCKY I'M IN RIGHT NOW IS THE FRIEND CHICKEN SORT- EAT WHEN YOU'RE DEPRESSED KINDA THING... IT'S AN ENDLESS LOOP THAT KEEPS REPEATING UNTIL MY HEART FORGETS SUFFICENTLY THE JOY OF THINGS YOUR FRIENDS AND YOUR ENEMIES ALIKE WON'T LET YOU HAVE... I KNEW A DREAM OF NEW ZEALAND ONCE... THEN EVERYONE FREAKED OUT AND I GOT DISORIENTED. WENT LOOPY. -----Original Message----- From: Michael LaMeyer [mailto:m.lameyer@verizon.net] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 11:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: you're boring oh wow, there's TWO goddesses on the board. that means there's got to be a third one hanging around somewhere, right? i'm gonna guess she's in kentucky, or new zealand ... *using the force* ... and her name's Liz ... > -----Original Message----- > From: charlotte moorman [mailto:swingsetc_70@yahoo.com] > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 12:04 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: you're boring > > > you guys are really boring! you all sound like you > study the Vicar diary entries! it's saturday night, > for god's sake! stop pressing "LOOP7save?" and go out! > hahaha OK love charlotte M. the LooP GoDDeSS From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 06:14:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA05342; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 06:11:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 06:11:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: playing loops or let the looper play? Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:10:44 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <175.1182a57c.2aff78a1@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Must have a candy rail? -----Original Message----- From: SoundFNR@aol.com [mailto:SoundFNR@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 12:54 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: playing loops or let the looper play? > Then I became curious about playing looping and realized I can pretty > easily repeat something a few times, but then automatically a > variation drops in. Why is that? you mean a variation in the pattern, which doesn't interupt it, or you mean moving on to something new? Listening to Turkish clarinet music, the "clarinet guy" (Mustapha Kandirale) is blowing over a simple repeating pattern. or so it seems when I listen in to the individual percussion lines, none of them is actually constant. always subtle variations. Somehow I'd really like to have that sort of effect with a looper, little variations in the rhythm. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 08:49:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17078; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 08:47:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 08:47:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 08:47:40 -0500 From: Lee Barnes Subject: Looper Heard but not spotted To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear all, Ok, been a small bit of time since there's been one of these posts, however, after seeing one of the more fun shows in a while, several "yo-ho-ho's" later wanted to bring this up. Our boy who makes a few Stick Players cringe along with making even more bass players wonder was heard using a looper to produce drones and very quick (less than 12 seconds) repeats of passages. Couldn't see what Les was using for his looping gear, and know that he was using lots of different digital delays (at least two at one go) flangers, wah's and quite a few more distortion effects. Les Claypool only did this about 4 times through out the concert with Frog Brigade, however, what a wonderful show. Slightly off-topic, only caught a few of the covers, though opening with "Locomotive Breath" was a scream (think that it was to spot several of the "over-thirty-fives" in the audience). Shame that he didn't play "Silly Putty" or actually play/sing more of the various Peter Gabriel songs that he was going through in one of the many medley's during the show (Games Without Frontiers was the most prominent). Catch you on the flip side! Lee "Because ten billion year's time is so fragile, so ephemeral... it arouses such a bittersweet, almost heartbreaking fondness." -Lala-ru from "Now and Then, Here and There" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 12:28:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08516; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:25:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:25:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021110172447.67753.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:24:47 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: you're boring To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021110000648.041279d8@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1467778928-1036949087=:67699" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1467778928-1036949087=:67699 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey, if you're gonna make drunken posts, use foul language and call us losers, we're gonna complain to Kim Flint. Errr, ummm, nevermind... -t- Kim Flint wrote:At 09:04 PM 11/9/2002, charlotte moorman wrote: >you guys are really boring! that's for sure. I just got home, drunk out of my fucking mind cause it's my birthday. I think I'll go out for some more. You losers can come join me or sit at home being old like usual. party on, dude, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD --0-1467778928-1036949087=:67699 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Hey, if you're gonna make drunken posts, use foul language and call us losers, we're gonna complain to Kim Flint. Errr, ummm, nevermind...

-t-

 Kim Flint <kflint@loopers-delight.com> wrote:

At 09:04 PM 11/9/2002, charlotte moorman wrote:
>you guys are really boring!

that's for sure.

I just got home, drunk out of my fucking mind cause it's my birthday. I
think I'll go out for some more. You losers can come join me or sit at home
being old like usual.

party on, dude,

kim



______________________________________________________________________
Kim Flint | Looper's Delight
kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com


Do you Yahoo!?
U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD --0-1467778928-1036949087=:67699-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 14:38:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22491; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:31:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:31:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: you're boring Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:29:42 -0800 Message-ID: <00ad01c288ef$85569340$6601a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C288AC.77335340" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20021110172447.67753.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C288AC.77335340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Circular reference, please call tech support . -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 9:25 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: you're boring Hey, if you're gonna make drunken posts, use foul language and call us losers, we're gonna complain to Kim Flint. Errr, ummm, nevermind... -t- Kim Flint wrote: At 09:04 PM 11/9/2002, charlotte moorman wrote: >you guys are really boring! that's for sure. I just got home, drunk out of my fucking mind cause it's my birthday. I think I'll go out for some more. You losers can come join me or sit at home being old like usual. party on, dude, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com _____ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD ------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C288AC.77335340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Circular reference, please call = tech support …

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, November = 10, 2002 9:25 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: you're = boring

 

Hey, if you're gonna make drunken posts, use = foul language and call us losers, we're gonna complain to Kim Flint. Errr, = ummm, nevermind...

-t-

 Kim Flint <kflint@loopers-delight.com> = wrote:

At 09:04 PM 11/9/2002, charlotte moorman = wrote:
>you guys are really boring!

that's for sure.

I just got home, drunk out of my fucking mind cause it's my birthday. I =
think I'll go out for some more. You losers can come join me or sit at = home
being old like usual.

party on, dude,

kim



______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight
kflint@loopers-delight.com | = http://www.loopers-delight.com

 

Do you Yahoo!?
U2= on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits = CD

------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C288AC.77335340-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 15:08:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26848; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 15:08:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 15:08:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:05:53 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: OT: RE: security and evolution To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DCEBC21.9EF77CFC@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you Mr. Rundgren. Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > One thing is for sure . . . > Everything changes and everything stays the same-- > Nice trick. > G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 15:15:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27587; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 15:14:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 15:14:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:12:29 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: playing loops or let the looper play? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DCEBDAD.34FF6ACA@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <90.2ebbc6a5.2afdf2dd@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I to have this problem Matthias... but I've licked it. I do two types of practicing. One, the repetitive kind. I can only really do it for any length of time if I'm watching a movie. I'll put in a DVD or VHS and then I'm able to do all my "warm up." When the film is done, I'll move into my studio and actually play. I find I'm a lot better after an hour or so of mindless repetition. Mark Matthias Grob wrote: > >>I practice little segments > >> > >>||: over and over :|| > >> > > :-) rather: ||: over and :|| > > > > >i enjoy doing this also, its like you are being the "looper" playing > >to a "loop".....michael > > is it really the same feeling? > > I have a really hard time to do this. Until a few years ago, I > completely rejected it. So therefore my thurst for the loop tool. > Then I became curious about playing looping and realized I can pretty > easily repeat something a few times, but then automatically a > variation drops in. Why is that? > If the brain is able to repeat (since it does it a few times) and I > ask it to continue, why does some other part of me interfere? > Now that I am getting better at it, I still dont feel the same as > with a looping tool, there is a lack of freedom to really dive into > it... > -- > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 16:14:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02437; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 16:13:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 16:13:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: playing loops or let the looper play? Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 13:12:05 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3DCEBDAD.34FF6ACA@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Masturbation is useless in an environment of media enslavement. In fact everything feels useless. -----Original Message----- From: Mark [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 12:12 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: playing loops or let the looper play? I to have this problem Matthias... but I've licked it. I do two types of practicing. One, the repetitive kind. I can only really do it for any length of time if I'm watching a movie. I'll put in a DVD or VHS and then I'm able to do all my "warm up." When the film is done, I'll move into my studio and actually play. I find I'm a lot better after an hour or so of mindless repetition. Mark Matthias Grob wrote: > >>I practice little segments > >> > >>||: over and over :|| > >> > > :-) rather: ||: over and :|| > > > > >i enjoy doing this also, its like you are being the "looper" playing > >to a "loop".....michael > > is it really the same feeling? > > I have a really hard time to do this. Until a few years ago, I > completely rejected it. So therefore my thurst for the loop tool. > Then I became curious about playing looping and realized I can pretty > easily repeat something a few times, but then automatically a > variation drops in. Why is that? > If the brain is able to repeat (since it does it a few times) and I > ask it to continue, why does some other part of me interfere? > Now that I am getting better at it, I still dont feel the same as > with a looping tool, there is a lack of freedom to really dive into > it... > -- > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 16:49:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05960; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 16:48:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 16:48:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 15:49:00 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: RE: playing loops or let the looper play? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > In fact >everything feels useless. Everything except email filters. Good bless 'em. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 17:03:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06938; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 16:58:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 16:58:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Freedom in Looping Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 13:58:04 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com With regard to useless-- Possibly the best thing about looping is control (OR, attempting to gain control). Granted it's hard to keep everything straight--But in a world where gigantic unseen forces conspire against us all (or do they?), it's nice to be able to do a little self contained art and feel good about it-- Is it useless? Not if it makes you feel good . . . Gary > In fact >everything feels useless. Everything except email filters. Good bless 'em. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 18:31:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17371; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:31:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:31:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Freedom in Looping Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 15:29:54 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <-ZksI.A.KPE.nwuz9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com First of all I hate the word "straight" in this context. It verifies your fascism. Unseen forces conspire only to the extent that they refuse to listen or to properly interpret the seen. The problem is that the shadows understand nothing and therefore the shadows by default, though not consciously, do conspire against good will. Lastly, you're still wrong. All music, no matter what form, is better produced through collaboration. to say anything else is to admit to being a MORON. -----Original Message----- From: Clayton Gary Lehmann [mailto:relayonemanband@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 1:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Freedom in Looping With regard to useless-- Possibly the best thing about looping is control (OR, attempting to gain control). Granted it's hard to keep everything straight--But in a world where gigantic unseen forces conspire against us all (or do they?), it's nice to be able to do a little self contained art and feel good about it-- Is it useless? Not if it makes you feel good . . . Gary > In fact >everything feels useless. Everything except email filters. Good bless 'em. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 19:45:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24520; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:41:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:41:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c2891b$98117b40$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Freedom from MIKO Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:45:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, I've had enough. I keep looking for, and thinking of how to, demonstrate this thing that Kim talks about - this list's ability to self-moderate. At one time I thought - just let MIKO go, and he'll eventually shut up and go away. But every day, my in box is filled with his posts, which at best (rarely) are amusing, and at their worst (often) are insulting. In between is just worthless psychobabble. Yeah, an email filter would work, but why should I have to do that? That would be the very first time I've filtered out a participant in an otherwise wonderful forum. So, I'm gonna do what I do when some worthless babble comes across my television, radio or internet... Click. Bye for a while, kids. I'll occasionally check the web archives to see when things get back to normal. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "MIKO" To: Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 5:29 PM Subject: RE: Freedom in Looping > First of all I hate the word "straight" in this context. It verifies your > fascism. > > Unseen forces conspire only to the extent that they refuse to listen or to > properly interpret the seen. The problem is that the shadows understand > nothing and therefore the shadows by default, though not consciously, do > conspire against good will. > > Lastly, you're still wrong. All music, no matter what form, is better > produced through collaboration. > > to say anything else is to admit to being a MORON. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clayton Gary Lehmann [mailto:relayonemanband@earthlink.net] > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 1:58 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Freedom in Looping > > > With regard to useless-- > Possibly the best thing about looping is control (OR, attempting to gain > control). Granted it's hard to keep everything straight--But in a world > where gigantic unseen forces conspire against us all (or do they?), it's > nice to be able to do a little self contained art and feel good about it-- > Is it useless? Not if it makes you feel good . . . > Gary > > > > In fact > >everything feels useless. > > Everything except email filters. Good bless 'em. > > Jeff > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 19:54:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25520; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:51:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:51:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Freedom from MIKO Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 16:50:02 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000901c2891b$98117b40$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No don't worry- I'll leave the list. OK? I don't want others leaving because of me. -----Original Message----- From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 4:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Freedom from MIKO OK, I've had enough. I keep looking for, and thinking of how to, demonstrate this thing that Kim talks about - this list's ability to self-moderate. At one time I thought - just let MIKO go, and he'll eventually shut up and go away. But every day, my in box is filled with his posts, which at best (rarely) are amusing, and at their worst (often) are insulting. In between is just worthless psychobabble. Yeah, an email filter would work, but why should I have to do that? That would be the very first time I've filtered out a participant in an otherwise wonderful forum. So, I'm gonna do what I do when some worthless babble comes across my television, radio or internet... Click. Bye for a while, kids. I'll occasionally check the web archives to see when things get back to normal. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "MIKO" To: Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 5:29 PM Subject: RE: Freedom in Looping > First of all I hate the word "straight" in this context. It verifies your > fascism. > > Unseen forces conspire only to the extent that they refuse to listen or to > properly interpret the seen. The problem is that the shadows understand > nothing and therefore the shadows by default, though not consciously, do > conspire against good will. > > Lastly, you're still wrong. All music, no matter what form, is better > produced through collaboration. > > to say anything else is to admit to being a MORON. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clayton Gary Lehmann [mailto:relayonemanband@earthlink.net] > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 1:58 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Freedom in Looping > > > With regard to useless-- > Possibly the best thing about looping is control (OR, attempting to gain > control). Granted it's hard to keep everything straight--But in a world > where gigantic unseen forces conspire against us all (or do they?), it's > nice to be able to do a little self contained art and feel good about it-- > Is it useless? Not if it makes you feel good . . . > Gary > > > > In fact > >everything feels useless. > > Everything except email filters. Good bless 'em. > > Jeff > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 19:57:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25952; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:55:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:55:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f101c2891c$d7119ae0$5de1d818@ccsunet.clayton.edu> From: "magicicada" To: References: Subject: Re: Freedom from MIKO Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:54:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com damn it does not need to be the extreme guys. say something like this, "hey miko would you mind chilling on limiting your msg sending a bit?" see, that is not hard. personally though miko makes me laugh. every list needs a Miko. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MIKO" To: Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 7:50 PM Subject: RE: Freedom from MIKO > No don't worry- I'll leave the list. OK? I don't want others leaving > because of me. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 4:45 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Freedom from MIKO > > > OK, I've had enough. > > I keep looking for, and thinking of how to, demonstrate this thing that Kim > talks about - this list's ability to self-moderate. > > At one time I thought - just let MIKO go, and he'll eventually shut up and > go away. But every day, my in box is filled with his posts, which at best > (rarely) are amusing, and at their worst (often) are insulting. In between > is just worthless psychobabble. > > Yeah, an email filter would work, but why should I have to do that? That > would be the very first time I've filtered out a participant in an otherwise > wonderful forum. > > So, I'm gonna do what I do when some worthless babble comes across my > television, radio or internet... Click. > > Bye for a while, kids. I'll occasionally check the web archives to see when > things get back to normal. > > Doug > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MIKO" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 5:29 PM > Subject: RE: Freedom in Looping > > > > First of all I hate the word "straight" in this context. It verifies your > > fascism. > > > > Unseen forces conspire only to the extent that they refuse to listen or to > > properly interpret the seen. The problem is that the shadows understand > > nothing and therefore the shadows by default, though not consciously, do > > conspire against good will. > > > > Lastly, you're still wrong. All music, no matter what form, is better > > produced through collaboration. > > > > to say anything else is to admit to being a MORON. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Clayton Gary Lehmann [mailto:relayonemanband@earthlink.net] > > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 1:58 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Freedom in Looping > > > > > > With regard to useless-- > > Possibly the best thing about looping is control (OR, attempting to gain > > control). Granted it's hard to keep everything straight--But in a world > > where gigantic unseen forces conspire against us all (or do they?), it's > > nice to be able to do a little self contained art and feel good about it-- > > Is it useless? Not if it makes you feel good . . . > > Gary > > > > > > > In fact > > >everything feels useless. > > > > Everything except email filters. Good bless 'em. > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 20:07:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28127; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:06:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:06:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f701c2891e$7bb8d490$5de1d818@ccsunet.clayton.edu> From: "magicicada" To: References: <00f101c2891c$d7119ae0$5de1d818@ccsunet.clayton.edu> Subject: Re: Freedom from MIKO Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:05:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow my last email was written as if i was smoking crack. sorry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "magicicada" To: Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 7:54 PM Subject: Re: Freedom from MIKO > damn it does not need to be the extreme guys. > say something like this, > > "hey miko would you mind chilling on limiting your msg sending a bit?" > > see, that is not hard. > > personally though miko makes me laugh. every list needs a Miko. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MIKO" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 7:50 PM > Subject: RE: Freedom from MIKO > > > > No don't worry- I'll leave the list. OK? I don't want others leaving > > because of me. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] > > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 4:45 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Freedom from MIKO > > > > > > OK, I've had enough. > > > > I keep looking for, and thinking of how to, demonstrate this thing that > Kim > > talks about - this list's ability to self-moderate. > > > > At one time I thought - just let MIKO go, and he'll eventually shut up and > > go away. But every day, my in box is filled with his posts, which at best > > (rarely) are amusing, and at their worst (often) are insulting. In > between > > is just worthless psychobabble. > > > > Yeah, an email filter would work, but why should I have to do that? That > > would be the very first time I've filtered out a participant in an > otherwise > > wonderful forum. > > > > So, I'm gonna do what I do when some worthless babble comes across my > > television, radio or internet... Click. > > > > Bye for a while, kids. I'll occasionally check the web archives to see > when > > things get back to normal. > > > > Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "MIKO" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 5:29 PM > > Subject: RE: Freedom in Looping > > > > > > > First of all I hate the word "straight" in this context. It verifies > your > > > fascism. > > > > > > Unseen forces conspire only to the extent that they refuse to listen or > to > > > properly interpret the seen. The problem is that the shadows understand > > > nothing and therefore the shadows by default, though not consciously, do > > > conspire against good will. > > > > > > Lastly, you're still wrong. All music, no matter what form, is better > > > produced through collaboration. > > > > > > to say anything else is to admit to being a MORON. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Clayton Gary Lehmann [mailto:relayonemanband@earthlink.net] > > > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 1:58 PM > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: Freedom in Looping > > > > > > > > > With regard to useless-- > > > Possibly the best thing about looping is control (OR, attempting to gain > > > control). Granted it's hard to keep everything straight--But in a world > > > where gigantic unseen forces conspire against us all (or do they?), it's > > > nice to be able to do a little self contained art and feel good about > it-- > > > Is it useless? Not if it makes you feel good . . . > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > In fact > > > >everything feels useless. > > > > > > Everything except email filters. Good bless 'em. > > > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 20:15:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28690; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:14:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:14:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00f101c2891c$d7119ae0$5de1d818@ccsunet.clayton.edu> References: <00f101c2891c$d7119ae0$5de1d818@ccsunet.clayton.edu> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:14:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Freedom from MIKO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:54 PM -0500 11/10/02, magicicada wrote: >damn it does not need to be the extreme guys. >say something like this, > >"hey miko would you mind chilling on limiting your msg sending a bit?" > >see, that is not hard. > >personally though miko makes me laugh. every list needs a Miko. I get tons of spam selling boring things, sent by soulless machines to millions of people. I certainly don't mind one bit if MIKO, a fellow looper, blah-blahs a bit to people on the list. /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 20:26:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29159; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:26:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:26:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <00f101c2891c$d7119ae0$5de1d818@ccsunet.clayton.edu> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:27:19 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Freedom from MIKO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I certainly don't mind one bit if MIKO, a fellow looper, blah-blahs a bit >to people on the list. A little bit?? I think I had somewhere in the neighborhood of 10-15 absolutely useless, rambling posts from him/her this morning. To me, that's not a little bit. Plus, it happens pretty much every day. I'm with Doug. I've already set the filter, but it might make more sense just to leave. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 20:36:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29636; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:36:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:36:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Freedom in Looping Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 17:35:41 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK! Let's play-- If we are talking feelings of uselessness--and we WERE, anyway--the best way to combat that is to gain control. Straight in this context is intended to mean orderly--and your fascism may vary. Anyone who heard me play in Santa Cruz knows I don't necessarily play "free"--but anyone who was paying attention knows I am not afraid of following my muse--this is true of anyone who bravely faces the moment and loops in the here and now. Secondly and most importantly, with regard to shadows, it should be obvious that YMMV. And of course, lastly, I don't mind playing in an ensemble, but trust makes the difference, and I trust no one better than I trust myself. Wonder if that makes me a fascist . . . I am certainly a MORON. Bye for now--write soon, Gary MIKO replied to my reply: First of all I hate the word "straight" in this context. It verifies your fascism. Unseen forces conspire only to the extent that they refuse to listen or to properly interpret the seen. The problem is that the shadows understand nothing and therefore the shadows by default, though not consciously, do conspire against good will. Lastly, you're still wrong. All music, no matter what form, is better produced through collaboration. to say anything else is to admit to being a MORON. My reply had been: With regard to useless-- Possibly the best thing about looping is control (OR, attempting to gain control). Granted it's hard to keep everything straight--But in a world where gigantic unseen forces conspire against us all (or do they?), it's nice to be able to do a little self contained art and feel good about it-- Is it useless? Not if it makes you feel good . . . Gary > In fact >everything feels useless. Everything except email filters. Good bless 'em. Jeff And so finally, (if you're still reading this), I am probably as filtered as anyone. It feel great to have someone on this list more deserving of filtering. I read all this shit as if it were REEEaly important. It's nice to have a place to let it all hang out--so happy belated birthday, Mr. Kim. G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 20:36:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29681; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:36:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:36:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010b01c28922$a6ba8450$5de1d818@ccsunet.clayton.edu> From: "magicicada" To: References: <00f101c2891c$d7119ae0$5de1d818@ccsunet.clayton.edu> Subject: Re: Freedom from MIKO Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:35:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com man, you guys are uptight. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" To: Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 8:27 PM Subject: Re: Freedom from MIKO > >I certainly don't mind one bit if MIKO, a fellow looper, blah-blahs a bit > >to people on the list. > > A little bit?? I think I had somewhere in the neighborhood of 10-15 > absolutely useless, rambling posts from him/her this morning. To me, > that's not a little bit. Plus, it happens pretty much every day. > > I'm with Doug. I've already set the filter, but it might make more > sense just to leave. > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 20:59:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30622; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:52:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:52:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Freedom from MIKO Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 17:52:23 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000901c2891b$98117b40$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What I want to know is, can this be the same Miko Biffle who used to post intelligently? Gary -----Original Message----- From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 4:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Freedom from MIKO OK, I've had enough. I keep looking for, and thinking of how to, demonstrate this thing that Kim talks about - this list's ability to self-moderate. At one time I thought - just let MIKO go, and he'll eventually shut up and go away. But every day, my in box is filled with his posts, which at best (rarely) are amusing, and at their worst (often) are insulting. In between is just worthless psychobabble. Yeah, an email filter would work, but why should I have to do that? That would be the very first time I've filtered out a participant in an otherwise wonderful forum. So, I'm gonna do what I do when some worthless babble comes across my television, radio or internet... Click. Bye for a while, kids. I'll occasionally check the web archives to see when things get back to normal. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "MIKO" To: Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 5:29 PM Subject: RE: Freedom in Looping > First of all I hate the word "straight" in this context. It verifies your > fascism. > > Unseen forces conspire only to the extent that they refuse to listen or to > properly interpret the seen. The problem is that the shadows understand > nothing and therefore the shadows by default, though not consciously, do > conspire against good will. > > Lastly, you're still wrong. All music, no matter what form, is better > produced through collaboration. > > to say anything else is to admit to being a MORON. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clayton Gary Lehmann [mailto:relayonemanband@earthlink.net] > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 1:58 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Freedom in Looping > > > With regard to useless-- > Possibly the best thing about looping is control (OR, attempting to gain > control). Granted it's hard to keep everything straight--But in a world > where gigantic unseen forces conspire against us all (or do they?), it's > nice to be able to do a little self contained art and feel good about it-- > Is it useless? Not if it makes you feel good . . . > Gary > > > > In fact > >everything feels useless. > > Everything except email filters. Good bless 'em. > > Jeff > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 21:05:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00469; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:04:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:04:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010801c28926$bba65d40$d164f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200211110136.UAA29732@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Freedom from MIKO (STAY ON THE LIST PLEASE, GUYS) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:04:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey gang, Jeff and Doug have both considered leaving the list because they were angered by MIKO's voluminous (and sometimes vitriolic) posts. This all smacks of cutting off your head because your finger has a splinter in it. PLEASE DON"T LEAVE. For the record, I find some of Miko's posts to be personally offensive (merely for the fact that he insists on insulting people and I, personally wish to be involved in a community that supports mutual respect and respectful dialogue. Because it is e-mail I have no idea if he is saying all of this with his tongue firmly in his cheek or if he truly is an abusive person. From a correspondance I just had with MIKO off list (which is always a great way to avoid shaming and 'wrongmaking' in communication) I found him to be reasonable, intelligent and receptive. I'm looking forward to hearing his music and that, afterall, is what this community is about, right? This list is like any community of human beings (though I like to think of it as being slightly healthier than a typical random community). We will encounter problems and we will have to deal with them (and it CAN be a bit irritating............e.g., MIKO's dozen mini posts yesterday which really slowed my e-mail reading experience for the day) but the best way to deal with things, and the healthiest way, in my humble opinion, is to do so directly. To leave this really cool list just because one member is bugging you just seems a bit like the easy way out. Just write him with your complaints (and doing so offlist would be the most efficacious I would advise, though who the hell needs gratuitous advice.............;-) Please stay guys.............fight for the quality of this list!!!! I support you. I also support MIKO to express himself..........and like everything, expression has it's consequences. Loop on guys..............I'm about to try and take the looping paradigm to PASIC, the largest gathering of percussionists and drummers on the planet (7,000 of us all in a Hyatt Regency in Columbus, Ohio---------I can talk about wing nuts and bass drum beaters 24/7 for three days without every having fear of alienating anyone..............true bliss... Wish me luck. yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 21:24:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02118; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:21:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:21:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: <166.16c71f73.2b006e12@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:21:06 EST Subject: Re: Freedom from MIKO (STAY ON THE LIST PLEASE, GUYS) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 114 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 11/10/02 9:05:03 PM EST, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: > Jeff and Doug have both considered leaving the list because they were > angered by > MIKO's voluminous (and sometimes vitriolic) posts. > > This all smacks of cutting off your head because your finger has a splinter > in it. > PLEASE DON"T LEAVE. -'t seems it's easy enough to hit the delete key, na? unashamedly musedly, RA From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 21:36:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03243; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:32:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:32:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Freedom from MIKO Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:31:54 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <00f101c2891c$d7119ae0$5de1d818@ccsunet.clayton.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I will try cutting down, but earlier today you guys were the only ones I had around for any kind of safe interaction. I shouldn't have been spreading my bad mood but, well, that's where I went wrong and I'm sorry. No more posts from me tonight, anyway- I need to get at least one computer up with a silent or near silent microphone so that I can actually start doing my music again, and validate my presence on this list (and also work on my photo portfolio). -----Original Message----- From: magicicada [mailto:magicicada@charter.net] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 4:54 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Freedom from MIKO damn it does not need to be the extreme guys. say something like this, "hey miko would you mind chilling on limiting your msg sending a bit?" see, that is not hard. personally though miko makes me laugh. every list needs a Miko. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MIKO" To: Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 7:50 PM Subject: RE: Freedom from MIKO > No don't worry- I'll leave the list. OK? I don't want others leaving > because of me. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 4:45 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Freedom from MIKO > > > OK, I've had enough. > > I keep looking for, and thinking of how to, demonstrate this thing that Kim > talks about - this list's ability to self-moderate. > > At one time I thought - just let MIKO go, and he'll eventually shut up and > go away. But every day, my in box is filled with his posts, which at best > (rarely) are amusing, and at their worst (often) are insulting. In between > is just worthless psychobabble. > > Yeah, an email filter would work, but why should I have to do that? That > would be the very first time I've filtered out a participant in an otherwise > wonderful forum. > > So, I'm gonna do what I do when some worthless babble comes across my > television, radio or internet... Click. > > Bye for a while, kids. I'll occasionally check the web archives to see when > things get back to normal. > > Doug > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MIKO" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 5:29 PM > Subject: RE: Freedom in Looping > > > > First of all I hate the word "straight" in this context. It verifies your > > fascism. > > > > Unseen forces conspire only to the extent that they refuse to listen or to > > properly interpret the seen. The problem is that the shadows understand > > nothing and therefore the shadows by default, though not consciously, do > > conspire against good will. > > > > Lastly, you're still wrong. All music, no matter what form, is better > > produced through collaboration. > > > > to say anything else is to admit to being a MORON. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Clayton Gary Lehmann [mailto:relayonemanband@earthlink.net] > > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 1:58 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Freedom in Looping > > > > > > With regard to useless-- > > Possibly the best thing about looping is control (OR, attempting to gain > > control). Granted it's hard to keep everything straight--But in a world > > where gigantic unseen forces conspire against us all (or do they?), it's > > nice to be able to do a little self contained art and feel good about it-- > > Is it useless? Not if it makes you feel good . . . > > Gary > > > > > > > In fact > > >everything feels useless. > > > > Everything except email filters. Good bless 'em. > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 21:40:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03718; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:37:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:37:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Freedom from MIKO Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:35:54 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com they took me off my medication and that turns me into a monster. I'm sorry. People should let things be as they should be. -----Original Message----- From: Clayton Gary Lehmann [mailto:relayonemanband@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 5:52 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Freedom from MIKO What I want to know is, can this be the same Miko Biffle who used to post intelligently? Gary -----Original Message----- From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 4:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Freedom from MIKO OK, I've had enough. I keep looking for, and thinking of how to, demonstrate this thing that Kim talks about - this list's ability to self-moderate. At one time I thought - just let MIKO go, and he'll eventually shut up and go away. But every day, my in box is filled with his posts, which at best (rarely) are amusing, and at their worst (often) are insulting. In between is just worthless psychobabble. Yeah, an email filter would work, but why should I have to do that? That would be the very first time I've filtered out a participant in an otherwise wonderful forum. So, I'm gonna do what I do when some worthless babble comes across my television, radio or internet... Click. Bye for a while, kids. I'll occasionally check the web archives to see when things get back to normal. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "MIKO" To: Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 5:29 PM Subject: RE: Freedom in Looping > First of all I hate the word "straight" in this context. It verifies your > fascism. > > Unseen forces conspire only to the extent that they refuse to listen or to > properly interpret the seen. The problem is that the shadows understand > nothing and therefore the shadows by default, though not consciously, do > conspire against good will. > > Lastly, you're still wrong. All music, no matter what form, is better > produced through collaboration. > > to say anything else is to admit to being a MORON. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clayton Gary Lehmann [mailto:relayonemanband@earthlink.net] > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 1:58 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Freedom in Looping > > > With regard to useless-- > Possibly the best thing about looping is control (OR, attempting to gain > control). Granted it's hard to keep everything straight--But in a world > where gigantic unseen forces conspire against us all (or do they?), it's > nice to be able to do a little self contained art and feel good about it-- > Is it useless? Not if it makes you feel good . . . > Gary > > > > In fact > >everything feels useless. > > Everything except email filters. Good bless 'em. > > Jeff > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 21:59:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05015; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:51:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:51:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Freedom from MIKO (STAY ON THE LIST PLEASE, GUYS) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:50:48 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <010801c28926$bba65d40$d164f93f@global> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am not an abusive person, really. I have a sarcastic sense of humor. Please understand that, of all the lists I've been on, this is my favorite, and the most friendly. Don't ever take me seriously when I sound negative, please. I'll try to be less Lenny-Bruce-Howard-Zinn-Richard-Pryor-Dennis-Miller and more zany if and when I try to be funny, I guess. I have gained a lot from this list and I'm sorry also if I write a lot- I spend whole days writing- not just to you guys- but writing everywhere and to everyone possible... Thanks for existing... -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL [mailto:GLOBAL@cruzio.com] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 6:05 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Freedom from MIKO (STAY ON THE LIST PLEASE, GUYS) Hey gang, Jeff and Doug have both considered leaving the list because they were angered by MIKO's voluminous (and sometimes vitriolic) posts. This all smacks of cutting off your head because your finger has a splinter in it. PLEASE DON"T LEAVE. For the record, I find some of Miko's posts to be personally offensive (merely for the fact that he insists on insulting people and I, personally wish to be involved in a community that supports mutual respect and respectful dialogue. Because it is e-mail I have no idea if he is saying all of this with his tongue firmly in his cheek or if he truly is an abusive person. From a correspondance I just had with MIKO off list (which is always a great way to avoid shaming and 'wrongmaking' in communication) I found him to be reasonable, intelligent and receptive. I'm looking forward to hearing his music and that, afterall, is what this community is about, right? This list is like any community of human beings (though I like to think of it as being slightly healthier than a typical random community). We will encounter problems and we will have to deal with them (and it CAN be a bit irritating............e.g., MIKO's dozen mini posts yesterday which really slowed my e-mail reading experience for the day) but the best way to deal with things, and the healthiest way, in my humble opinion, is to do so directly. To leave this really cool list just because one member is bugging you just seems a bit like the easy way out. Just write him with your complaints (and doing so offlist would be the most efficacious I would advise, though who the hell needs gratuitous advice.............;-) Please stay guys.............fight for the quality of this list!!!! I support you. I also support MIKO to express himself..........and like everything, expression has it's consequences. Loop on guys..............I'm about to try and take the looping paradigm to PASIC, the largest gathering of percussionists and drummers on the planet (7,000 of us all in a Hyatt Regency in Columbus, Ohio---------I can talk about wing nuts and bass drum beaters 24/7 for three days without every having fear of alienating anyone..............true bliss... Wish me luck. yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 22:06:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07322; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:05:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:05:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: valid looper question- a bit of re-asking: sound cards and mike hum; CPUs Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:04:09 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <166.16c71f73.2b006e12@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <9L3RYB.A.MyB.e5xz9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, I've been prevented from doing music for a while because on one computer- the O/S won't re-install. I have two others- I'm trying to test the sound card on one PC I have which I have assumed wasn't the appropriate one, in the past (reference at the bottom of this letter). I don't have money to buy a new sound card right now- I could possibly charge one. My other PC - this one- has a HUM when I plug in the microphone. In the past, I had an HP Pavilion. ALL of the vocals - even those that sound, as far as recording- fine- though perhaps my voice isn't EXACTLY right at all times- but all of the recording of my vocals at http://www.mp3.com/miko were done on an HP Pavilion with its inherent soundcard. There was a slight hum but it was not so bad. Recently I posed the microphone "hum" question to the list but the response I* got was, basically- I need a pre-amp. Those who provided this information, thanks. I still know nothing about pre-amps because a) I don't have money to buy one now and b) I had success with a normal-ish HP Pavilion sound card in the past, so I'm thinking that I don't absolutely HAVE to have a pre-amp, but perhaps a better sound card. I have two questions to ask, if I may: 1. Does anyone no a non-pre-amp "trick" to eradicate microphone hum for the microphone-in jack of a PC? and 2. If not, does anyone now plug his or her microphone directly into a PC microphone-in jack and find yourself able to record without any HUM. OK, and I decided I have a totally unrelated question that I'll ask in this e-mail rather than in a separate e-mail. I have a 500 megahertz PC and a 1.5 gigHz PC. The 500 MHz PC has 256 megs of RAM and the 1.5 gHz PC has 192 megs of DDR RAM. I swear. it seems at times that the 500 mHz computer is faster. I've been a computer person for years but have sometimes detached real experience from the "guidebook" predictions of which setups are better. Would anyone say to me from experience that it's definitely possible that the 500 MHz PC might the better multimedia PC, have a CPU of 1/3 the speed, technically... With all of my experience with computers, I feel weird asking this but- then again- I don't- I've spent too much of my life NOT asking others enough questions... Thanks in advance... Regards, MIKO PS: Can you tell that I got my brain re-adjusted today? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 22:24:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08806; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:23:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:23:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DCF2233.837CBB98@ubuibi.org> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:21:22 -0800 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Freedom from MIKO (STAY ON THE LIST PLEASE, GUYS) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i also find you obnoxious how about you at least try and stick with the subject of loop based music MIKO wrote: > I am not an abusive person, really. I have a sarcastic sense of humor. > > Please understand that, of all the lists I've been on, this is my favorite, > and the most friendly. > > > > Thanks for existing... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 22:41:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10423; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:40:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:40:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <010801c28926$bba65d40$d164f93f@global> References: <200211110136.UAA29732@hemlock.violacea.com> <010801c28926$bba65d40$d164f93f@global> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:42:01 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Freedom from MIKO (STAY ON THE LIST PLEASE, GUYS) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > >To leave this really cool list just because one member is bugging you just >seems >a bit like the easy way out. A very reasonable and thoughtful post, so let me try taking a stab at this again myself. First, I'll extend an apology to Miko. To say publicly that someone's posts are 'useless' isn't particularly kind, so I apologize. I suppose what I have objected to is what appears to be (and I may be wrong about this) Miko's style and/or internet persona. Personally I would prefer that people reply to stuff that is more or less on topic (unless specifically designated as off topic). Second, Miko seems (to me at least) to speak in riddles half the time, as if (again, I may be wrong...) to suggest he is either hipper-than-thou or somehow "in the know" about things the rest of us aren't. Sometimes I'm guessing it's simply a more or less successful attempt at humor, but other times it seems equal parts condescending and/or insulting to other list members who aren't in the know. And, for what it's worth (which ain't much), I don't consider myself a dummy, and I know there are plenty of very bright people here. I happen to be finishing a PhD at the University of Chicago. I don't have a lot of patience for two things as a result--pseudo-intellectualism (what I refer to above as speaking in riddles--as if you know things the rest of the poor, ignorant slobs don't), and real, pompous intellectualism--pretentious, showing off of one's knowledge just to try to belittle others. Maybe Miko is doing neither; maybe he's doing some of both? Maybe he's just playing games to piss off people like me (artists are known to fuck with people *just* for the sake of fucking with people, after all) Maybe I just get frustrated because I have little patience for any of the above? >Just write him with your complaints (and doing so offlist would be the most >efficacious Agreed, but I just don't want to take the time sometimes--it's draining. The internet is such a bizarre place. Few of us actually know each other, and yet all of these lists we participate in are communities of some sort. We all try to get along as best we can, and there are people who attempt to mediate disputes between us, and so forth. At the end of the day, though, I'm finding that it's just taking up too much of my time to address every little (or big) problem that comes along. It's a matter of keeping a decent signal to noise ratio, as is often said. I don't like noise. >Please stay guys.............fight for the quality of this list!!!! I >support you. > Ok, I've said my peace then. Miko, I'm sorry if I jumped on your case too quickly. I do not know you, and I would not presume to tell you how to express yourself on this list. But perhaps you could consider some of what I said above. To start over, here's a little bit about me, since I probably didn't give a proper introduction a month or two ago when I joined. I already mentioned I'm doing the academic thing above, so eventually I'll be a prof. somewhere. I'm also a musician, a guitar player by trade. Been playing about 20 years, but I feel like a beginner. The more you learn, the less you realize you know. I'm not a looper--yet. I want to get an EDP, but I still haven't come up with the funds. So, in the meantime, I'm learning what I can from the group (most of the tech talk goes over my head, but learning through osmosis can be a good thing) and I'm listening to the stuff that people have uploaded or have sent links to. I've found that I've liked some of it an awful lot, and some of it wasn't really my cup of tea. I'm quite interested in hearing more, though. Peace, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 22:43:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10680; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:43:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:43:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006601c28934$983af2e0$20e35cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: References: Subject: Re: Freedom in Looping Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:44:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" > --But in a world > where gigantic unseen forces conspire against us all (or do they?), Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get ya! :-) Cheers, Bill P.S. Regarding that practicing thread: I was once told the difference between an amateur and a professional. The amateur practices until he gets it right. The professional practices until she can't get it wrong. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 22:49:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11182; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:48:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:48:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Freedom in Looping Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:47:36 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <006601c28934$983af2e0$20e35cd1@LocalHost> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5Vuhm.A.XuC.Niyz9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So the amateur is male, and the professional is female? LOL. Couldn't help it. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Fox [mailto:billfox@fast.net] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 7:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Freedom in Looping ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" > --But in a world > where gigantic unseen forces conspire against us all (or do they?), Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get ya! :-) Cheers, Bill P.S. Regarding that practicing thread: I was once told the difference between an amateur and a professional. The amateur practices until he gets it right. The professional practices until she can't get it wrong. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 23:17:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14842; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 23:16:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 23:16:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1ad.bc03906.2b0088e6@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 23:15:34 EST Subject: more music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1ad.bc03906.2b0088e6_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1ad.bc03906.2b0088e6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/10/02 10:41:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu writes: > I'm quite interested in hearing more, though. > jeff.....try.....loopxchange.com a big bunch of music from folk on this list.....michael --part1_1ad.bc03906.2b0088e6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/10/02 10:41:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu writes:


I'm quite interested in hearing more, though.


jeff.....try.....loopxchange.com  a big bunch of music from folk on this list.....michael --part1_1ad.bc03906.2b0088e6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 10 23:38:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16965; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 23:34:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 23:34:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DCF3286.191E993A@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:31:02 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: you're boring References: <004d01c28845$7fb58a40$8ea45e82@audiows> <5.1.1.6.2.20021110000648.041279d8@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-_3zu.A.tIE.kNzz9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Flint wrote: > I just got home, drunk out of my fucking mind cause it's my birthday. I > think I'll go out for some more. You losers can come join me or sit at home > being old like usual. I see your advancing years have done nothing to halt your famously friendly and diplomatic manner, Mr. Flint! > party on, dude, Truly, it would seem, we're not worthy! Happy birthday to Our Man Flint. --Andre LaFosse The Kim Flint Analysis Pages http://www.altruistmusic.com/Loop-Pioneer-Cum-Grumbly-List-Maintainer ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 00:05:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20798; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:04:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:04:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: more music Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:03:36 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C288FC.A2B1E9A0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <1ad.bc03906.2b0088e6@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C288FC.A2B1E9A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As I move back toward my music, can anyone tell me great sites for (don't bang me over the head when I ask this, ok?)- a broad range of downloadable royalty-free guitar loops? OK, it's not like playing a guitar.... but... if you go to my site http://www.mp3.com /miko and listen to "Funky Guitar Yeehaw" - or listen to the guitar in "Throw the Baby Out"- in both cases, pre-recorded loop segments were the ONLY guitar music I used in these pieces. But of course I can't keep using the same loops.. Also, I'd love to meet a good guitarist in San Francisco who can work with me on song ideas and we could, together, record guitar segments to become more live/vibrant parts of my songs... I can't imagine ever getting myself to learn guitar- at least not yet- when I want to write the lyrics, manage the audio editing, manage the initial and final mixing, and lead the distribution effort. Learning guitar would eat up time form working on these aspects. And also take time from myself getting into the gym to be able to look the part I eventually want to "play"... Also, I'm dying- just dying- for musical collaboration.... I've always liked that kind of music better, even when collaborating via CDs and Zip cassettes... Thanks in advance. Regards, MIKO -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 8:16 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: more music In a message dated 11/10/02 10:41:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu writes: I'm quite interested in hearing more, though. jeff.....try.....loopxchange.com a big bunch of music from folk on this list.....michael ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C288FC.A2B1E9A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As = I move back=20 toward my music, can anyone tell me great sites for (don't bang me over = the head=20 when I ask this, ok?)- a broad range of downloadable royalty-free guitar = loops?
 
OK, = it's not like=20 playing a guitar.... but... if you go to my site http://www.mp3.com = /miko and=20 listen to "Funky Guitar Yeehaw" - or listen to the guitar in "Throw the = Baby=20 Out"- in both cases, pre-recorded loop segments were the ONLY = guitar music=20 I used in these pieces.
 
But = of course I=20 can't keep using the same loops..
 
Also, I'd love to=20 meet a good guitarist in San Francisco who can work with me on song = ideas and we=20 could, together, record guitar segments to become more live/vibrant = parts of my=20 songs...
 
I = can't imagine=20 ever getting myself to learn guitar- at least not yet- when I want to = write the=20 lyrics, manage the audio editing, manage the initial and final mixing, = and lead=20 the distribution effort.  Learning guitar would eat up time form = working on=20 these aspects.  And also take time from myself getting into the gym = to be=20 able to look the part I eventually want to "play"...
 
Also, I'm dying-=20 just dying- for musical collaboration.... I've always liked that kind of = music=20 better, even when collaborating via CDs and Zip = cassettes...
 
Thanks in=20 advance.
 
Regards,
 
MIKO
-----Original Message-----
From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 = 8:16=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: more=20 music

In a message=20 dated 11/10/02 10:41:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, = jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu=20 writes:


I'm quite interested in hearing more,=20 though.


jeff.....try.....loopxchange.com  = a big=20 bunch of music from folk on this list.....michael=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C288FC.A2B1E9A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 00:07:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21066; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:06:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:06:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c28940$02e576a0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <004d01c28845$7fb58a40$8ea45e82@audiows> <5.1.1.6.2.20021110000648.041279d8@loopers-delight.com> <3DCF3286.191E993A@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: you're boring Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:05:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop016.verizon.net from [68.160.8.159] at Sun, 10 Nov 2002 23:05:52 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i like being boring. it comforts me From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 00:09:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21302; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:08:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:08:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DCF3A6B.ADF80849@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:04:43 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: you're boring References: <20021110050425.15947.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WARNING: This post contains absolutely no serious content or meaning whatsoever. ;) charlotte moorman wrote: > you guys are really boring! you all sound like you > study the Vicar diary entries! Man, even Bay Area Riot Grrrl chicks have to drop Fripp references on this list... there's no hope, I tell ya. Anyway, you're dead wrong on the Vicar diary count - hell, I still haven't finished memorizing the Guitar Craft Aphorisms! > it's saturday night, > for god's sake! ...and you're sitting in front of a computer, sending email to a looper's discussion list! :-\ > stop pressing "LOOP7save?" and go out! My dear, you're talking to a group of people who use a technique fundeamentally based on the premise of playing with onesself. If we could go out, we wouldn't be here in the first place! > hahaha OK love charlotte M. the LooP GoDDeSS Cara Quinn versus Charlotte Moorman in a battle for The One True Fripp-Signifying Self-Appointedly Divine Looper's Delight Chick! Ladies, start your Ebows! :() Surely I jest, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 00:14:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21890; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:14:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:14:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: <182.11a7a28b.2b009665@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:13:09 EST Subject: Folly in thinking (was freedom in looping) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_182.11a7a28b.2b009665_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_182.11a7a28b.2b009665_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/10/2002 8:36:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, m-i-k-o@attbi.com writes: > Lastly, you're still wrong. All music, no matter what form, is better > produced through collaboration. > Hmm... While it is true that collaberation can produce wonderful music that might not have otherwise been produced, you cannot make such an all encompassing claim. Do you really think that you could apply this statement to every piece of music that has ever been written?!? What about Stravinsky, Prokofiev, Mahler, Mingus, Monk, etc., etc., etc,....... There are thousands of composers that have written incredible music all by themselves. There are also thousands of solo improvisers that create works of art on-the-fly. I strongly disagree with you. I think you really need to reconsider your statement. Marc --part1_182.11a7a28b.2b009665_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/10/2002 8:36:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,
m-i-k-o@attbi.com writes:


Lastly, you're still wrong.  All music, no matter what form, is better
produced through collaboration.

    
     Hmm...  While it is true that collaberation can produce wonderful music that might not have otherwise been produced, you cannot make such an all encompassing claim. Do you really think that you could apply this statement to every piece of music that has ever been written?!? What about Stravinsky, Prokofiev, Mahler, Mingus, Monk, etc., etc., etc,.......  There are thousands of composers that have written incredible music all by themselves. There are also thousands of solo improvisers that create works of art on-the-fly. I strongly disagree with you. I think you really need to reconsider your statement.
     Marc --part1_182.11a7a28b.2b009665_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 00:16:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21554; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:10:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:10:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: you're boring Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:09:11 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <002601c28940$02e576a0$0affff0a@hppav> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd never criticize you for what you like to do or be. :) Not personally- I might make generic public statements advocating ALSO the acceptability of uniqueness and idiosyncracy (needed in music)... as a self-defense only... but I don't direct these notions personally... -----Original Message----- From: David [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 9:06 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: you're boring i like being boring. it comforts me From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 00:17:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22275; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:16:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:16:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: you're boring Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:15:51 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3DCF3A6B.ADF80849@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre- Am listening to some of your music. Interesting. Reminds me of.... well, I can't say... But I'm intrigued... Also- "altruistmusic.com" - any connectino at all to "Altruity.com"? Have you guys heard of this group? -----Original Message----- From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 9:05 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: you're boring WARNING: This post contains absolutely no serious content or meaning whatsoever. ;) charlotte moorman wrote: > you guys are really boring! you all sound like you > study the Vicar diary entries! Man, even Bay Area Riot Grrrl chicks have to drop Fripp references on this list... there's no hope, I tell ya. Anyway, you're dead wrong on the Vicar diary count - hell, I still haven't finished memorizing the Guitar Craft Aphorisms! > it's saturday night, > for god's sake! ...and you're sitting in front of a computer, sending email to a looper's discussion list! :-\ > stop pressing "LOOP7save?" and go out! My dear, you're talking to a group of people who use a technique fundeamentally based on the premise of playing with onesself. If we could go out, we wouldn't be here in the first place! > hahaha OK love charlotte M. the LooP GoDDeSS Cara Quinn versus Charlotte Moorman in a battle for The One True Fripp-Signifying Self-Appointedly Divine Looper's Delight Chick! Ladies, start your Ebows! :() Surely I jest, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 00:22:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23337; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:21:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:21:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c28942$25e35ee0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: you're boring Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:21:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at out002.verizon.net from [68.160.8.159] at Sun, 10 Nov 2002 23:21:12 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <5PNGgB.A.LqF.q5zz9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have no idea how what you are saying relates to my previous post. I'm baffled. But it's OK. No need to explain either! ----- Original Message ----- From: "MIKO" To: Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:09 AM Subject: RE: you're boring > I'd never criticize you for what you like to do or be. :) Not personally- > I might make generic public statements advocating ALSO the acceptability of > uniqueness and idiosyncracy (needed in music)... as a self-defense only... > but I don't direct these notions personally... > > -----Original Message----- > From: David [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 9:06 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: you're boring > > > i like being boring. it comforts me > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 00:42:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27472; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:40:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:40:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DCF41F7.FB895A04@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:36:55 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: you're boring References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com MIKO wrote: > Andre- MIKO! (Man of the hour, it would seem!) > Am listening to some of your music. Thanks for that! > Interesting. Reminds me of.... well, I > can't say... You mean I've actually left MIKO at a loss for words?! How fortunate, then, that I've prepared the following options (cultivated after seconds of excrutiating and painstaking research). My music likely reminds you of: 1) A skipping CD player 2) A stuck vinyl record 3) A radio tuned between two different stations 4) A random assortment of EDP footpedal buttons stomped on indiscriminately (I choose all of the above, myself!) > Also- "altruistmusic.com" - any connectino at all to "Altruity.com"? None whatsoever. > Have > you guys heard of this group? Sounds to me like a combination life-insurance and retirement plan, from the name... Woo hah, --Andre > -----Original Message----- > From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@earthlink.net] > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 9:05 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: you're boring > > WARNING: This post contains absolutely no serious content or meaning > whatsoever. ;) > > charlotte moorman wrote: > > > you guys are really boring! you all sound like you > > study the Vicar diary entries! > > Man, even Bay Area Riot Grrrl chicks have to drop Fripp references on > this list... there's no hope, I tell ya. > > Anyway, you're dead wrong on the Vicar diary count - hell, I still > haven't finished memorizing the Guitar Craft Aphorisms! > > > it's saturday night, > > for god's sake! > > ...and you're sitting in front of a computer, sending email to a > looper's discussion list! :-\ > > > stop pressing "LOOP7save?" and go out! > > My dear, you're talking to a group of people who use a technique > fundeamentally based on the premise of playing with onesself. If we > could go out, we wouldn't be here in the first place! > > > hahaha OK love charlotte M. the LooP GoDDeSS > > Cara Quinn versus Charlotte Moorman in a battle for The One True > Fripp-Signifying Self-Appointedly Divine Looper's Delight Chick! > Ladies, start your Ebows! :() > > Surely I jest, > > --Andre LaFosse > http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 00:47:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28418; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:46:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:46:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: Collaboration in music (response to RandomLFO) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:45:48 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C28902.87D33160" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <182.11a7a28b.2b009665@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C28902.87D33160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I go absolute at times. GULP. LOLO. Well you're right- in that era of classical, mathematically oriented music- the collaborator was a thing I'd call "the pure science of music" itself. I guess my point is that we live in an era where the public reacts as follows (my perception only of course): a. the public wants to see style- and style is an interactive experience, I think (e.g. jazz vocalist with the band)... b. the public wants to see a balance of egos, not a flaming ego represented in one sound- we've entered an era of enforced cultural isolation and we cry, through music, for the community we don't have through all other means- I think many of us WANT to see community represented in music- music succeeds today when it's about others, for others- when it respects traditions developed by others- when it pays homage to others... in this respect the music of today is collaboration even when the person works alone, IF the artist incorporates the work or effort of others c. the public has a complex ear and can appreciate the additional complexity of music which has evolved from the balance or amalgamation of efforts, talents, and egos. No matter how talented someone is- think about how much we appreciate the sound of collaboration. Examples that come to mind immediately are all Madonna: Madonna with Bjork- I love "Unconscious" - Madonna with Babyface- I love "Take a Bow" - Madonna with William Orbit- "Ray of Light" is- I think- her best song. In fact, on that album, where she dives more into ego (like the Hindu (I think) chant- it's the songs like that where I've seen the most criticism. Babyface, Dr. DRE, Puff Daddy, Bjork, and Moby are all artists who demonstrate clearly how much we live in an era of collaboration. Hip Hip also represents "collaboration"- the positive nature of hip hop derives from its "incorporation" rather than "appropriation" of the music of other artists. If Hip Hop was not about "collaboration" in a sense, you'd never have Aerosmith and Sting agreeing to appear on stage to help sing along to Hip Hip works that have taken their original music and created something a bit different- sometimes more complex in the ability to connect both to memory and the experience of the present at once- in a way that has respected it seriously, or with a great sense of fun... But yes, certainly, there are artists who have not collaborated.... the music on my site - much of it- and some of my own songs that people have said they liked- involved no real collaboration BUT- in the end- I get the constructive criticism about how I have singular and obsessive tendencies with regard to the non-vocal part of my music- and am told again and again, directly or indirectly, how collaboration would add a kind of vigor to the music itself. Collaboration is about recognizing the limits that we, as artists, all must have. To look at great work that was created without collaboration is NOT an argument against the possibility that if these artists collaborated, while creating these masterpieces- they might have transcended even the quality of the sound blend that they were able to create solitarily. Damn, I forgot my next comment while correcting typos, but- well- you get my point I think. Regards, MIKO -----Original Message----- From: RandomLFO@aol.com [mailto:RandomLFO@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 9:13 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Folly in thinking (was freedom in looping) In a message dated 11/10/2002 8:36:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, m-i-k-o@attbi.com writes: Lastly, you're still wrong. All music, no matter what form, is better produced through collaboration. Hmm... While it is true that collaberation can produce wonderful music that might not have otherwise been produced, you cannot make such an all encompassing claim. Do you really think that you could apply this statement to every piece of music that has ever been written?!? What about Stravinsky, Prokofiev, Mahler, Mingus, Monk, etc., etc., etc,....... There are thousands of composers that have written incredible music all by themselves. There are also thousands of solo improvisers that create works of art on-the-fly. I strongly disagree with you. I think you really need to reconsider your statement. Marc ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C28902.87D33160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I = go absolute at=20 times.  GULP.  LOLO.
 
Well you're=20 right- in that era of classical, mathematically oriented music- the = collaborator=20 was a thing I'd call "the pure science of music" = itself.
 
I = guess my point=20 is that we live in an era where the public reacts as follows (my = perception only=20 of course):
 
    a.  the public wants to see style- and style is an = interactive=20 experience, I think (e.g. jazz vocalist with the = band)...
    b.  the public wants to see a balance of egos, not a = flaming ego=20 represented in one sound- we've entered an era of enforced cultural = isolation=20 and we cry, through music, for the community we don't have through all = other=20 means- I think many of us WANT to see community represented in music- = music=20 succeeds today when it's about others, for others- when it respects = traditions=20 developed by others- when it pays homage to others... in this respect = the music=20 of today is collaboration even when the person works alone, IF the = artist=20 incorporates the work or effort of others
    c.  the public has a complex ear and can appreciate the = additional=20 complexity of music which has evolved from the balance or amalgamation = of=20 efforts, talents, and egos. No matter how talented someone is- think = about how=20 much we appreciate the sound of collaboration.
 
Examples that=20 come to mind immediately are all Madonna:  Madonna with Bjork- I = love=20 "Unconscious" - Madonna with Babyface- I love "Take a Bow" - Madonna = with=20 William Orbit- "Ray of Light" is- I think- her best song.  In fact, = on that=20 album, where she dives more into ego (like the Hindu (I think) chant- = it's the=20 songs like that where I've seen the most criticism.
 
Babyface, Dr.=20 DRE, Puff Daddy, Bjork, and Moby are all artists who demonstrate clearly = how=20 much we live in an era of collaboration.
 
Hip = Hip also=20 represents "collaboration"- the positive nature of hip hop derives from = its=20 "incorporation" rather than "appropriation" of the music of other = artists. =20 If Hip Hop was not about "collaboration" in a sense, you'd never have = Aerosmith=20 and Sting agreeing to appear on stage to help sing along to Hip Hip = works that=20 have taken their original music and created something a bit different- = sometimes=20 more complex in the ability to connect both to memory and the = experience of=20 the present at once- in a way that has respected it seriously, or with a = great=20 sense of fun...
 
But = yes,=20 certainly, there are artists who have not collaborated.... the music on = my site=20 - much of it- and some of my own songs that people have said they liked- = involved no real collaboration BUT- in the end- I get the constructive = criticism=20 about how I have singular and obsessive tendencies with regard to the = non-vocal=20 part of my music- and am told again and again, directly or = indirectly, how=20 collaboration would add a kind of vigor to the music = itself.
 
Collaboration is=20 about recognizing the limits that we, as artists, all must have.  = To look=20 at great work that was created without collaboration is NOT an argument = against=20 the possibility that if these artists collaborated, while creating these = masterpieces- they might have transcended even the quality of the sound=20 blend that they were able to create solitarily.
 
Damn, I forgot my=20 next comment while correcting typos, but- well- you get my point I=20 think.
 
Regards,
 
MIKO
-----Original Message-----
From: RandomLFO@aol.com=20 [mailto:RandomLFO@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 = 9:13=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Folly=20 in thinking (was freedom in looping)

In a message dated 11/10/2002 = 8:36:14 PM=20 Eastern Standard Time,
m-i-k-o@attbi.com writes:


Lastly, you're still wrong.  All music, no matter = what=20 form, is better
produced through=20 collaboration.

    =20
     Hmm...  While it is true that = collaberation=20 can produce wonderful music that might not have otherwise been = produced, you=20 cannot make such an all encompassing claim. Do you really think that = you could=20 apply this statement to every piece of music that has ever been = written?!?=20 What about Stravinsky, Prokofiev, Mahler, Mingus, Monk, etc., etc.,=20 etc,.......  There are thousands of composers that have written=20 incredible music all by themselves. There are also thousands of solo=20 improvisers that create works of art on-the-fly. I strongly disagree = with you.=20 I think you really need to reconsider your=20 statement.
     Marc=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C28902.87D33160-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 00:50:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28834; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:49:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:49:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: you're boring Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:48:38 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <002d01c28942$25e35ee0$0affff0a@hppav> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I should have just written "Kewl. Hope it's ok that I'm a freak tho"- because that's what I meant. -----Original Message----- From: David [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 9:21 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: you're boring I have no idea how what you are saying relates to my previous post. I'm baffled. But it's OK. No need to explain either! ----- Original Message ----- From: "MIKO" To: Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:09 AM Subject: RE: you're boring > I'd never criticize you for what you like to do or be. :) Not personally- > I might make generic public statements advocating ALSO the acceptability of > uniqueness and idiosyncracy (needed in music)... as a self-defense only... > but I don't direct these notions personally... > > -----Original Message----- > From: David [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 9:06 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: you're boring > > > i like being boring. it comforts me > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 00:51:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29000; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:50:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:50:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: you're boring Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:49:34 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3DCF41F7.FB895A04@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Number 3, the most. ...And the purr of a dead cat named "Hitch" at times. -----Original Message----- From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 9:37 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: you're boring MIKO wrote: > Andre- MIKO! (Man of the hour, it would seem!) > Am listening to some of your music. Thanks for that! > Interesting. Reminds me of.... well, I > can't say... You mean I've actually left MIKO at a loss for words?! How fortunate, then, that I've prepared the following options (cultivated after seconds of excrutiating and painstaking research). My music likely reminds you of: 1) A skipping CD player 2) A stuck vinyl record 3) A radio tuned between two different stations 4) A random assortment of EDP footpedal buttons stomped on indiscriminately (I choose all of the above, myself!) > Also- "altruistmusic.com" - any connectino at all to "Altruity.com"? None whatsoever. > Have > you guys heard of this group? Sounds to me like a combination life-insurance and retirement plan, from the name... Woo hah, --Andre > -----Original Message----- > From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@earthlink.net] > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 9:05 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: you're boring > > WARNING: This post contains absolutely no serious content or meaning > whatsoever. ;) > > charlotte moorman wrote: > > > you guys are really boring! you all sound like you > > study the Vicar diary entries! > > Man, even Bay Area Riot Grrrl chicks have to drop Fripp references on > this list... there's no hope, I tell ya. > > Anyway, you're dead wrong on the Vicar diary count - hell, I still > haven't finished memorizing the Guitar Craft Aphorisms! > > > it's saturday night, > > for god's sake! > > ...and you're sitting in front of a computer, sending email to a > looper's discussion list! :-\ > > > stop pressing "LOOP7save?" and go out! > > My dear, you're talking to a group of people who use a technique > fundeamentally based on the premise of playing with onesself. If we > could go out, we wouldn't be here in the first place! > > > hahaha OK love charlotte M. the LooP GoDDeSS > > Cara Quinn versus Charlotte Moorman in a battle for The One True > Fripp-Signifying Self-Appointedly Divine Looper's Delight Chick! > Ladies, start your Ebows! :() > > Surely I jest, > > --Andre LaFosse > http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 01:10:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA32527; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 01:09:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 01:09:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3DCF3A6B.ADF80849@earthlink.net> References: <20021110050425.15947.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> <3DCF3A6B.ADF80849@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 01:08:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: you're boring Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, I went to a party on Saturday night where I played and looped and got one of the best responses I ever got (I got laughs and applause from the audience from a patch change, can you believe? though it is quite strange I realize to see someone playing bass lines on a wind instrument). Preen, preen. Simper simper. We ain't dull here, no sirree! In a sideline, I realize that I am behind on this Repeater reverse engineering project -- but it's not been forgotten and this week I have time again.... /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 01:38:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02551; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 01:34:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 01:34:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007f01c2891a$059e4a50$05f8c440@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <200211110136.UAA29732@hemlock.violacea.com> <010801c28926$bba65d40$d164f93f@global> Subject: miko, etc. Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:33:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com for whatever reason, i read every post. not to inflate any egos (if those egos are succeptible to inflation), but i rather enjoy the WIDE variety of posts....whether they be relevant or not. curious...what prompts the wild posts? during the day, i get normal miko messages but when i do the "last email check of the evening" i get the strangness that i've come to appreciate. nobody's goin' anywhere. jeez... -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 01:50:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03722; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 01:46:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 01:46:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 01:45:29 EST Subject: Re: Collaboration in music (response to RandomLFO) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f5.24f06061.2b00ac09_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f5.24f06061.2b00ac09_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/11/2002 12:47:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, m-i-k-o@attbi.com writes: > c. the public has a complex ear and can appreciate the additional > complexity of music which has evolved from the balance or amalgamation of > efforts, talents, and egos. No matter how talented someone is- think about > how much we appreciate the sound of collaboration. > Ahh... If only the public at large did collectively have a complex ear. What country do you live in? Unfortunately in America, a significant percentage of the public has a very disinterested ear in anything other than what gets drilled into their heads by commercial radio. This is not a judgement as to what people should be listening too, but a recognition of how little music actually gets to the ears of the majority of the "public". Curiously enough the examples of collaberation that you gave are all probably played incessantly on commercial radio. Everyone in the "public" has a different relationship to music. Some are very passionate about the music that they love. For others, it's just sonic wallpaper. For some, it's even pure annoyance no matter what "style". Some people's tastes are very eclectic. Some are very specific. It really sounds like you are just stating your tastes in music. Unfortunately you are coming across like you are trying tell everyone else what their tastes should be too. Now that's Fascism! Your above paragraph also makes me wonder if you have ever attended a solo artists performance? The public often greatly appreciates solo artists. I have never heard anyone walking away from a solo artists performance saying something like ..."That was OK, but it just wasn't the sound of collaberation." I just sounds like your ego is stuck on defending it's clearly false claim. Check your meds! On the other hand, I could just laugh at your joke. I must admit that it's hard to take you seriously, but somehow I have. Maybe you have just decided to make people laugh at your silliness. Maybe we should just laugh at ourselves for worrying about what you are saying. Marc --part1_f5.24f06061.2b00ac09_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/11/2002 12:47:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, m-i-k-o@attbi.com writes:


    c.  the public has a complex ear and can appreciate the additional complexity of music which has evolved from the balance or amalgamation of efforts, talents, and egos. No matter how talented someone is- think about how much we appreciate the sound of collaboration.


     Ahh... If only the public at large did collectively have a complex ear. What country do you live in? Unfortunately in America, a significant percentage of the public has a very disinterested ear in anything other than what gets drilled into their heads by commercial radio. This is not a judgement as to what people should be listening too, but a recognition of how little music actually gets to the ears of the majority of the "public". Curiously enough the examples of collaberation that you gave are all probably played incessantly on commercial radio.
     Everyone in the "public" has a different relationship to music. Some are very passionate about the music that they love. For others, it's just sonic wallpaper. For some, it's even pure annoyance no matter what "style". Some people's tastes are very eclectic. Some are very specific. It really sounds like you are just stating your tastes in music. Unfortunately you are coming across like you are trying tell everyone else what their tastes should be too. Now that's Fascism!
     Your above paragraph also makes me wonder if you have ever attended a solo artists performance? The public often greatly appreciates solo artists. I have never heard anyone walking away from a solo artists performance saying something like
..."That was OK, but it just wasn't the sound of collaberation." I just sounds like your ego is stuck on defending it's clearly false claim. Check your meds!
     On the other hand, I could just laugh at your joke. I must admit that it's hard to take you seriously, but somehow I have. Maybe you have just decided to make people laugh at your silliness. Maybe we should just laugh at ourselves for worrying about what you are saying.
     Marc
 --part1_f5.24f06061.2b00ac09_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 02:15:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07880; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 02:14:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 02:14:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009a01c2891f$88319ee0$05f8c440@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: Subject: Re: Collaboration in music (response to RandomLFO) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 01:13:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0095_01C2891F.86673F20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <4g1LZD.A.n6B.9i1z9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C2891F.86673F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable the public has a complex ear and can appreciate the additional = complexity of music which has evolved from the balance or amalgamation = of efforts, talents, and egos. No matter how talented someone is- think = about how much we appreciate the sound of collaboration. huh? do what? come again? =20 the masses are cattle. period. 95% of the people you see at wal-mart = don't REALLY give a hoot about what's playing on the radio. funny, but = "sonic wallpaper" is a phrase i use as well because it's so accurate. = it's background music for their lives. those folks and those who really = listen exist in very different sonic worlds. =20 if anything, the "public" would retreat from complexity. it alienates, = for the most part. in case you haven't turned on your radio lately, the = folks like their music as dumb as they can get it. i heard a rap song = the other day that was just a stupid beat and some guy babbling. it's = sad when you strip something down and all that's left is sheer = stupidity. intoxicated, -jim ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C2891F.86673F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
the public = has a complex ear=20 and can appreciate the additional complexity of music which has evolved = from the=20 balance or amalgamation of efforts, talents, and egos. No matter how = talented=20 someone is- think about how much we appreciate the sound of=20 collaboration.
 
huh?  do = what?  come=20 again? 
 
the masses are = cattle. =20 period.  95% of the people you see at wal-mart don't REALLY give a = hoot=20 about what's playing on the radio.  funny, but "sonic wallpaper" is = a=20 phrase i use as well because it's so accurate.  it's background = music for=20 their lives.  those folks and those who really listen exist in very = different sonic worlds. 
 
if anything, the = "public" would=20 retreat from complexity.  it alienates, for the most part.  in = case=20 you haven't turned on your radio lately, the folks like their music as = dumb as=20 they can get it.  i heard a rap song the other day that was just a = stupid=20 beat and some guy babbling.  it's sad when you strip something down = and all=20 that's left is sheer stupidity.
 
intoxicated,
 
-jim

 ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C2891F.86673F20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 03:00:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11682; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 02:59:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 02:59:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c201c28958$26c70620$b662f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT" Subject: BATTLE of the GODDESSES Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 23:58:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 'Dre wrote: "Cara Quinn versus Charlotte Moorman in a battle for The One True Fripp-Signifying Self-Appointedly Divine Looper's Delight Chick! Ladies, start your Ebows! :()" ............and don't forget that Jesse Rose performed at the 1st Woman's Looping Festival (which was awesome, by the way) as AUDIO GODDESS. That would make it AUDIO GODDESS vs. GODDESS vs. LooP GoDDeSS mmmmmmmm, maybe loop.pool is worn out? perhaps it should be LOOP GOD? or just GODDOG for short (hey, at least it's palendromic and will loop indefinitely) what does everyone think? See, we men can't get away with shit these days. yours, laughingly, Rick Walker (aka "Hey you.......................................................yeah you....................the pesky looper") PS Seriously, it's nice to have some feminine energy on this list all of a sudden...........................whoa, does that sound like a Northern Californian speaking or what? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 03:17:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA14152; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 03:15:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 03:15:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021111011707.00858640@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 01:17:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: playing loops or let the looper play? In-Reply-To: <004d01c28845$7fb58a40$8ea45e82@audiows> References: <90.2ebbc6a5.2afdf2dd@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It was said, is it really the same feeling? > >You refer to practicing, practicing vs. improvising...? what is the difference between practicing and playing?... Smiles, CQ --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 03:37:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA15576; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 03:33:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 03:33:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021111013359.007d7910@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 01:33:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: you're boring In-Reply-To: <20021110050425.15947.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> References: <004d01c28845$7fb58a40$8ea45e82@audiows> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo Charlotte!, -lol! Why are you reading e-mail on a Saturday night?!!! lollollol! -This is cute! I agree though, sometimes the list gets kind-o tech-manualy... -It just needs to be taken up a notch sometimes... lol! -Just my opinion of course... YOU GUYS ROCK!!! Smiles, CQ, who's just catching up on her e-mail after staying up all Sat. night!, and playing with fun musical geniuses today!... lol!... At 09:04 PM 11/9/02 -0800, you wrote: >you guys are really boring! you all sound like you >study the Vicar diary entries! it's saturday night, >for god's sake! stop pressing "LOOP7save?" and go out! >hahaha OK love charlotte M. the LooP GoDDeSS > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos >http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 03:52:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16773; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 03:48:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 03:48:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021111015104.0095f100@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 01:51:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: calm before the lull In-Reply-To: <20021110081129.91980.qmail@web41012.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Charlotte, The First Women's Looping Festival just happened recently in SJ CA, so the brothers got a good taste of us Loopy Chicks! lol! It was a BLAST!!! -and Lori, another loopy sista' and I were discussing a way cool women's looping shirt lately! It ROCKS! Smiles, Cara At 12:11 AM 11/10/02 -0800, you wrote: >oh ho ho, no; but i'm very aware of dear ms. moorman >and her contributions (and her attributes, lucky mr. >cage!.. i did play 'cello in grade school, for about 2 >seconds, then switched to keyboards, which i've never >abandoned. i found your wonderful site by accident, >and since i make my own drone/sound effect/vox/keys >tapes with low fi tools- a few delay/repeat pedals, a >new (Bday gift)loop station, a tape 1/4" deck(my dad >taught me how to reverse a 1/4" tape's direction by >rethreading the capstan, when i was 8, and i still use >it!)- i come here now, every day, to drink at the well >of knowledge. soon, my little demo CD of my band >PUSSYKITTY will be ready (power-whispers and shrieky >girl-sounds, with two other fine san fran chicks)and >i'll start giggin' (like all the boys). teach on, brothers! > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos >http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 04:15:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19867; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 04:12:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 04:12:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021111021455.007db6d0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 02:14:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Freedom in Looping In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Woohoo!, hurray for gigantic unseen forces!!! lol! -Sorry, -just had to... lol! It's like The Loopy Horror Picture Show!... lol! Smiles, Cara At 01:58 PM 11/10/02 -0800, you wrote: >With regard to useless-- >Possibly the best thing about looping is control (OR, attempting to gain >control). Granted it's hard to keep everything straight--But in a world >where gigantic unseen forces conspire against us all (or do they?), it's >nice to be able to do a little self contained art and feel good about it-- >Is it useless? Not if it makes you feel good . . . >Gary > > >> In fact >>everything feels useless. > >Everything except email filters. Good bless 'em. > >Jeff > > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 05:34:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA28668; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 05:30:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 05:30:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021111033213.00ad5d60@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 03:32:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Collaboration in music (response to RandomLFO) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Marc, I enjoy reading your posts quite alot, but need to respond in the negative to this one. People have been upset with Miko for posting many off-topic posts of late, and this one at least to me is quite on-topic, and one that I found rather interesting and thought-provoking. -Regardless whether it's opinion or not... to me at least, it's sort of like dis'ing someone when they're only doing what you've asked them to. Wouldn't you say?... I also think the Check your meds comment is unfair, insulting and harsh, and maybe not the best or most polite way of showing your frustration, not to mention, on a public forum. -a bit hurtful, don't ya think? -Miko has afterall, mentioned this, apologized for OT posts, and was ready to leave the list. -To me, your comment is a bit much, to say the least... These are obviously just my opinions, but I for one really enjoyed reading that post, whether I agreed or not. Have a great night, K? CQ At 01:45 AM 11/11/02 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 11/11/2002 12:47:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, >m-i-k-o@attbi.com writes: > > > the public has a complex ear and can appreciate the additional >complexity of music which has evolved from the balance or amalgamation of >efforts, talents, and egos. No matter how talented someone is- think about >how much we appreciate the sound of collaboration. > > > > Ahh... If only the public at large did collectively have a complex >ear. What country do you live in? Unfortunately in America, a significant >percentage of the public has a very disinterested ear in anything other >than what gets drilled into their heads by commercial radio. This is not a >judgement as to what people should be listening too, but a recognition of >how little music actually gets to the ears of the majority of the "public". >Curiously enough the examples of collaberation that you gave are all >probably played incessantly on commercial radio. > Everyone in the "public" has a different relationship to music. Some >are very passionate about the music that they love. For others, it's just >sonic wallpaper. For some, it's even pure annoyance no matter what "style". >Some people's tastes are very eclectic. Some are very specific. It really >sounds like you are just stating your tastes in music. Unfortunately you >are coming across like you are trying tell everyone else what their tastes >should be too. Now that's Fascism! > Your above paragraph also makes me wonder if you have ever attended a >solo artists performance? The public often greatly appreciates solo >artists. I have never heard anyone walking away from a solo artists >performance saying something like > ..."That was OK, but it just wasn't the sound of collaberation." I just >sounds like your ego is stuck on defending it's clearly false claim. Check >your meds! > On the other hand, I could just laugh at your joke. I must admit that >it's hard to take you seriously, but somehow I have. Maybe you have just >decided to make people laugh at your silliness. Maybe we should just laugh >at ourselves for worrying about what you are saying. > Marc > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 05:36:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA29202; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 05:33:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 05:33:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Collaboration in music (response to RandomLFO) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 02:32:19 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2xnyrB.A.YHH.nd4z9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You've missed my point. Let me provide a general MIKO rule: I'm the devil's advocate. Or moreso, I am the Tin Man, advocate for a Middle Way I don't even follow myself half the time . If someone comes on strongly about solo, as if to invalidate it, I can't help but balance their response with a discussion of the importantce of collaboration as well. MIKO rule # 2 (for myself, not a fascist dictate): It's all GOOOOOD. Oh no- we're not using plain text! *there* - I switched... - MIKO -----Original Message----- From: RandomLFO@aol.com [mailto:RandomLFO@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 10:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Collaboration in music (response to RandomLFO) In a message dated 11/11/2002 12:47:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, m-i-k-o@attbi.com writes: c. the public has a complex ear and can appreciate the additional complexity of music which has evolved from the balance or amalgamation of efforts, talents, and egos. No matter how talented someone is- think about how much we appreciate the sound of collaboration. Ahh... If only the public at large did collectively have a complex ear. What country do you live in? Unfortunately in America, a significant percentage of the public has a very disinterested ear in anything other than what gets drilled into their heads by commercial radio. This is not a judgement as to what people should be listening too, but a recognition of how little music actually gets to the ears of the majority of the "public". Curiously enough the examples of collaberation that you gave are all probably played incessantly on commercial radio. Everyone in the "public" has a different relationship to music. Some are very passionate about the music that they love. For others, it's just sonic wallpaper. For some, it's even pure annoyance no matter what "style". Some people's tastes are very eclectic. Some are very specific. It really sounds like you are just stating your tastes in music. Unfortunately you are coming across like you are trying tell everyone else what their tastes should be too. Now that's Fascism! Your above paragraph also makes me wonder if you have ever attended a solo artists performance? The public often greatly appreciates solo artists. I have never heard anyone walking away from a solo artists performance saying something like ..."That was OK, but it just wasn't the sound of collaberation." I just sounds like your ego is stuck on defending it's clearly false claim. Check your meds! On the other hand, I could just laugh at your joke. I must admit that it's hard to take you seriously, but somehow I have. Maybe you have just decided to make people laugh at your silliness. Maybe we should just laugh at ourselves for worrying about what you are saying. Marc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 06:05:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA30895; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 05:57:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 05:57:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Collaboration in music (response to RandomLFO) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 02:55:58 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2892D.DC90DC90" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <009a01c2891f$88319ee0$05f8c440@g0wn7> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2892D.DC90DC90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The word "complexity" may be worng. I consider some standard pop- like pop hip hop- to be possibly complex- and Madonna- at times... if your refer to examples I offered you's note that I didn't mention people like Pink Floyd, Chick Corea, Carlos Santana, etc. -----Original Message----- From: jimfowler [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 5:13 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Collaboration in music (response to RandomLFO) the public has a complex ear and can appreciate the additional complexity of music which has evolved from the balance or amalgamation of efforts, talents, and egos. No matter how talented someone is- think about how much we appreciate the sound of collaboration. huh? do what? come again? the masses are cattle. period. 95% of the people you see at wal-mart don't REALLY give a hoot about what's playing on the radio. funny, but "sonic wallpaper" is a phrase i use as well because it's so accurate. it's background music for their lives. those folks and those who really listen exist in very different sonic worlds. if anything, the "public" would retreat from complexity. it alienates, for the most part. in case you haven't turned on your radio lately, the folks like their music as dumb as they can get it. i heard a rap song the other day that was just a stupid beat and some guy babbling. it's sad when you strip something down and all that's left is sheer stupidity. intoxicated, -jim ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2892D.DC90DC90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The = word=20 "complexity" may be worng.  I consider some standard pop- like pop = hip hop-=20 to be possibly complex- and Madonna- at times... if your refer to = examples I=20 offered you's note that I didn't mention people like Pink Floyd, Chick = Corea,=20 Carlos Santana, etc.
-----Original Message-----
From: jimfowler=20 [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net]
Sent: Sunday, November 10, = 2002 5:13=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 Collaboration in music (response to RandomLFO)

the public = has a complex=20 ear and can appreciate the additional complexity of music which has = evolved=20 from the balance or amalgamation of efforts, talents, and egos. No = matter how=20 talented someone is- think about how much we appreciate the sound of=20 collaboration.
 
huh?  do = what?  come=20 again? 
 
the masses are = cattle. =20 period.  95% of the people you see at wal-mart don't REALLY give = a hoot=20 about what's playing on the radio.  funny, but "sonic wallpaper" = is a=20 phrase i use as well because it's so accurate.  it's background = music for=20 their lives.  those folks and those who really listen exist in = very=20 different sonic worlds. 
 
if anything, the = "public" would=20 retreat from complexity.  it alienates, for the most part.  = in case=20 you haven't turned on your radio lately, the folks like their music as = dumb as=20 they can get it.  i heard a rap song the other day that was just = a stupid=20 beat and some guy babbling.  it's sad when you strip something = down and=20 all that's left is sheer stupidity.
 
intoxicated,
 
-jim

 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2892D.DC90DC90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 06:27:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA02149; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 06:27:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 06:27:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021111042917.00ad4100@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 04:29:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: you're boring In-Reply-To: <3DCF3A6B.ADF80849@earthlink.net> References: <20021110050425.15947.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre said, in response to Charlotte, My dear, you're talking to a group of people who use a technique fundeamentally based on the premise of playing with onesself. If we could go out, we wouldn't be here in the first place! *laughing* -speak for yourself! lol! considering that my friends constantly bitch that they can't get a hold of me, or I never return their e-mails, or when they do get me on the phone, there first words tend to be, -are you alone? lol! YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE! -and poor Rick Wonderful Soul Walker has been asking me for months for a full-length CD! lol! -See, at least YOU get things done!!! lollollol! Andre also said, >Cara Quinn versus Charlotte Moorman in a battle for The One True >Fripp-Signifying Self-Appointedly Divine Looper's Delight Chick! >Ladies, start your Ebows! Hey!, the tripple Goddess! -just like Michael said earlier, -THE PROPHECY IS BEING FULFILLED... lol! So, if music is the cup that holds the wine of silence, why do my ears ring after I drink a bunch of wine?!!! lollollol! -and then I whine about drinking wine which is anything but silent, but is it music?... -or more to the point, is it looping, art, or style? lol! OK, enough from me, -just had to, couldn't resisst... lol! all this talk of sex alcohol and such! lol! I did say a while ago that this list needed to be sexed-up a bit! lol! -BTW, let me also join others Kim, inwishing you a wonderfully warm and slightly belated Happy Birthday!!! *big hug* Love you guys!, Cara Quinn --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 09:43:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22222; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:40:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:40:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021111143921.14043.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 06:39:21 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Freedom in Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2124565046-1037025561=:12638" Resent-Message-ID: <8APXkD.A.QaF.4E8z9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-2124565046-1037025561=:12638 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii While not entirely relevant to live performance, this analogy extends to recorded releases: a somewhat well-known photographer once asked me if I knew the difference between an amateur and a professional. He then told me "The professional doesn't show you EVERY SHOT." :^) -t- MIKO wrote:So the amateur is male, and the professional is female? LOL. Couldn't help it. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD --0-2124565046-1037025561=:12638 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

While not entirely relevant to live performance, this analogy extends to recorded releases: a somewhat well-known photographer once asked me if I knew the difference between an amateur and a professional. He then told me "The professional doesn't show you EVERY SHOT." :^)

-t-

 MIKO <m-i-k-o@attbi.com> wrote:

So the amateur is male, and the professional is female? LOL. Couldn't help
it.


Do you Yahoo!?
U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD --0-2124565046-1037025561=:12638-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 09:50:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA32272; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:47:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:47:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021111144617.99048.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 06:46:17 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: more music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1ad.bc03906.2b0088e6@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-717611441-1037025977=:95565" Resent-Message-ID: <7Ss_E.A.T3H.YL8z9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-717611441-1037025977=:95565 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii With a caveat though: some of the links don't go to the pieces they're supposed to. (One of mine isn't me!) -t- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 11/10/02 10:41:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu writes: I'm quite interested in hearing more, though. jeff.....try.....loopxchange.com a big bunch of music from folk on this list.....michael --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD --0-717611441-1037025977=:95565 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

With a caveat though: some of the links don't go to the pieces they're supposed to. (One of mine isn't me!)

-t-

 Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 11/10/02 10:41:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu writes:


I'm quite interested in hearing more, though.


jeff.....try.....loopxchange.com  a big bunch of music from folk on this list.....michael


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U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD --0-717611441-1037025977=:95565-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 09:55:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00363; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:52:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:52:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Freedom in Looping Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 06:51:12 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2894E.B90C9860" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20021111143921.14043.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2894E.B90C9860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This assumes that the amateur makes the transition to professional by getting control of the camera? -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 6:39 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Freedom in Looping While not entirely relevant to live performance, this analogy extends to recorded releases: a somewhat well-known photographer once asked me if I knew the difference between an amateur and a professional. He then told me "The professional doesn't show you EVERY SHOT." :^) -t- MIKO wrote: So the amateur is male, and the professional is female? LOL. Couldn't help it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2894E.B90C9860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This assumes that=20 the amateur makes the transition to professional by getting control of = the=20 camera?
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Nelson=20 [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 = 6:39=20 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE:=20 Freedom in Looping

While not entirely relevant to live performance, this analogy = extends to=20 recorded releases: a somewhat well-known photographer once asked me if = I knew=20 the difference between an amateur and a professional. He then told me = "The=20 professional doesn't show you EVERY SHOT." :^)=20

-t-=20

 MIKO <m-i-k-o@attbi.com> wrote:=20 So=20 the amateur is male, and the professional is female? LOL. Couldn't=20 help
it.


Do you Yahoo!?
U= 2 on=20 LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits=20 CD ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2894E.B90C9860-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 10:00:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01141; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:58:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:58:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021111145807.62804.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 06:58:07 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: more music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1788745702-1037026687=:62126" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1788745702-1037026687=:62126 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here's an idea, not the *only* approach, but it works: although you don't play guitar yourself, you probably know people who do. As I understand it, you make your music on a computer. So you could try this: record a friend's playing, then do your own edits. As far as the recording part, while there are a lot of very expensive high-end mic pre's out there, there are also several which are quite affordable. It's probably still the best solution to your "mic into the soundcard" hum problem... -t- MIKO wrote:As I move back toward my music, can anyone tell me great sites for (don't bang me over the head when I ask this, ok?)- a broad range of downloadable royalty-free guitar loops? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD --0-1788745702-1037026687=:62126 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Here's an idea, not the *only* approach, but it works: although you don't play guitar yourself, you probably know people who do. As I understand it, you make your music on  a computer. So you could try this: record a friend's playing, then do your own edits.

As far as the recording part, while there are a lot of very expensive high-end mic pre's out there, there are also several which are quite affordable. It's probably still the best solution to your "mic into the soundcard" hum problem...

-t-

 MIKO <m-i-k-o@attbi.com> wrote:

As I move back toward my music, can anyone tell me great sites for (don't bang me over the head when I ask this, ok?)- a broad range of downloadable royalty-free guitar loops?
 


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U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD --0-1788745702-1037026687=:62126-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 10:24:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05453; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:23:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:23:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: more music Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 07:22:12 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C28953.0DF16550" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20021111145807.62804.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C28953.0DF16550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess you missed the actual problem: I DON'T know any guitarists in SF! Believe it or not.... :( -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 6:58 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: more music Here's an idea, not the *only* approach, but it works: although you don't play guitar yourself, you probably know people who do. As I understand it, you make your music on a computer. So you could try this: record a friend's playing, then do your own edits. As far as the recording part, while there are a lot of very expensive high-end mic pre's out there, there are also several which are quite affordable. It's probably still the best solution to your "mic into the soundcard" hum problem... -t- MIKO wrote: As I move back toward my music, can anyone tell me great sites for (don't bang me over the head when I ask this, ok?)- a broad range of downloadable royalty-free guitar loops? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C28953.0DF16550 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I = guess you=20 missed the actual problem:  I DON'T know any guitarists in = SF! =20 Believe it or not.... :(
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Nelson=20 [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 = 6:58=20 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE:=20 more music

Here's an idea, not the *only* approach, but it works: although you = don't=20 play guitar yourself, you probably know people who do. As I understand = it, you=20 make your music on  a computer. So you could try this: record a = friend's=20 playing, then do your own edits.=20

As far as the recording part, while there are a lot of very = expensive=20 high-end mic pre's out there, there are also several which are quite=20 affordable. It's probably still the best solution to your "mic into = the=20 soundcard" hum problem...=20

-t-=20

 MIKO <m-i-k-o@attbi.com> wrote:=20

As I move=20 back toward my music, can anyone tell me great sites for (don't bang = me over=20 the head when I ask this, ok?)- a broad range of downloadable = royalty-free=20 guitar loops?
 


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U= 2 on=20 LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits=20 CD ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C28953.0DF16550-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 11:29:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14088; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:26:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:26:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012101c2899e$9a8d8840$21605cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #294 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:21:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #294 November 7, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on Two Dutch Bands, Free System Projekt and Wave World. The Featured CD at midnight was disc one of the two CD set "Atmospheric Conditions" by FSP on the Quantum label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Encore" by Tangerine Dream the Virgin label. I also played the music of Radio Massacre International who will be in concert at the next Gathering on November 16. FSP and WW http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#nov The Gathering http://thegatherings.org Listen to WDIY http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Tangerine Dream Monolight Encore (Virgin) VA [RMI] Let Me Hear You Say Yeah Hampshire Jam Preserved (none) Mutation Vector Nebula Placebo Merchant (none) Adam Schabtach Elephant Island * Elephant Island (Atomic City) 12:00 am Free System Projekt Naiad Atmospheric Conditions (Quantum) Free System Projekt Thalassa Atmospheric Conditions (Quantum) Free System Projekt Despina Atmospheric Conditions (Quantum) Free System Projekt Galatea * Atmospheric Conditions (Quantum) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Two Dutch Bands, Free System Projekt and Wave World. The Featured CD at Midnight will be disc one from "Cloudseeder" by WW on the VFR label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Audion" by Synergy, a.k.a. Larry Fast on the Passport label. I will play the music of Radio Massacre International who will be performing at the November 16th Gathering. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 11:30:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14310; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:27:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:27:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:20:02 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: RE: more music Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1175090893==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1175090893==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Miko- if you send me your "snail mail address" to: scott-a-hansen@uiowa.edu i could send you my latest project. i'm interested in collab. work and can offer up my stuff (1/2 the disc is loop interludes). a sample of it is at: http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/452/hsacnostetn.html last 2 tracks are the "loop performances"--it's all guitar... it might not sound like guitar, but was all created by guitar. thanks, s---- >As I move back toward my music, can anyone tell me great sites for >(don't bang me over the head when I ask this, ok?)- a broad range of >downloadable royalty-free guitar loops? > >OK, it's not like playing a guitar.... but... if you go to my site >http://www.mp3.com /miko and listen to "Funky Guitar Yeehaw" - or >listen to the guitar in "Throw the Baby Out"- in both >cases, pre-recorded loop segments were the ONLY guitar music I used >in these pieces. > >But of course I can't keep using the same loops.. > >Also, I'd love to meet a good guitarist in San Francisco who can >work with me on song ideas and we could, together, record guitar >segments to become more live/vibrant parts of my songs... > >I can't imagine ever getting myself to learn guitar- at least not >yet- when I want to write the lyrics, manage the audio editing, >manage the initial and final mixing, and lead the distribution >effort. Learning guitar would eat up time form working on these >aspects. And also take time from myself getting into the gym to be >able to look the part I eventually want to "play"... > >Also, I'm dying- just dying- for musical collaboration.... I've >always liked that kind of music better, even when collaborating via >CDs and Zip cassettes... > >Thanks in advance. > >Regards, > >MIKO > >-----Original Message----- >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] >Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 8:16 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: more music > >In a message dated 11/10/02 10:41:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, >jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu writes: > >>I'm quite interested in hearing more, though. > > > >jeff.....try.....loopxchange.com a big bunch of music from folk on >this list.....michael -- --============_-1175090893==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" RE: more music
Miko-
if you send me your "snail mail address" to:
scott-a-hansen@uiowa.edu

i could send you my latest project. i'm interested in collab. work
and can offer up my stuff (1/2 the disc is loop interludes).
a sample of it is at:
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/452/hsacnostetn.html
last 2 tracks are the "loop performances"--it's all guitar...
it might not sound like guitar, but was all created by guitar.
thanks,
s----


As I move back toward my music, can anyone tell me great sites for (don't bang me over the head when I ask this, ok?)- a broad range of downloadable royalty-free guitar loops?
 
OK, it's not like playing a guitar.... but... if you go to my site http://www.mp3.com /miko and listen to "Funky Guitar Yeehaw" - or listen to the guitar in "Throw the Baby Out"- in both cases, pre-recorded loop segments were the ONLY guitar music I used in these pieces.
 
But of course I can't keep using the same loops..
 
Also, I'd love to meet a good guitarist in San Francisco who can work with me on song ideas and we could, together, record guitar segments to become more live/vibrant parts of my songs...
 
I can't imagine ever getting myself to learn guitar- at least not yet- when I want to write the lyrics, manage the audio editing, manage the initial and final mixing, and lead the distribution effort.  Learning guitar would eat up time form working on these aspects.  And also take time from myself getting into the gym to be able to look the part I eventually want to "play"...
 
Also, I'm dying- just dying- for musical collaboration.... I've always liked that kind of music better, even when collaborating via CDs and Zip cassettes...
 
Thanks in advance.
 
Regards,
 
MIKO
-----Original Message-----
From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 8:16 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: more music
In a message dated 11/10/02 10:41:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
I'm quite interested in hearing more, though.



jeff.....try.....loopxchange.com  a big bunch of music from folk on this list.....michael


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--============_-1175090893==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 11:40:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15548; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:36:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:36:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: b.mail.peak.org: Host www.medicineflower.com [198.88.147.161] (may be forged) claimed to be [198.88.147.161] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:35:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: RE: more music Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -4.7 () IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.21 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I guess you missed the actual problem: I DON'T know any guitarists >in SF! Believe it or not.... :( OK, go to a mall, or any other public space. Throw a dead cat. Ask the person you hit to play guitar on your record. Actually, since it's SF, the person you hit is more likely to be a glitch/laptop/electronica type... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 11:40:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15639; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:37:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:37:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:35:05 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: Collaboration in music (response to RandomLFO) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DCFDC39.F91D0627@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <009a01c2891f$88319ee0$05f8c440@g0wn7> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > the masses are cattle. period. 95% of the people you see at wal-mart > don't REALLY give a hoot about what's playing on the radio. funny, > but "sonic wallpaper" is a phrase i use as well because it's so > accurate. it's background music for their lives. those folks and > those who really listen exist in very different sonic worlds. Only 95% Jim? Me thinks you're being too generous. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 11:45:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16338; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:42:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:42:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Paulrichard10@attbi.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: miko, etc. Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:41:07 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 5 2002) X-Authenticated-Sender: UGF1bHJpY2hhcmQxMEBhdHRiaS5jb20= Message-Id: <20021111164108.CTVD15364.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@rwcrwbc69> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pesonally, I just automatically delete any post that's headed MIKO. Life's too short... > for whatever reason, i read every post. not to inflate any egos (if those > egos are succeptible to inflation), but i rather enjoy the WIDE variety of > posts....whether they be relevant or not. > > curious...what prompts the wild posts? during the day, i get normal miko > messages but when i do the "last email check of the evening" i get the > strangness that i've come to appreciate. > > nobody's goin' anywhere. jeez... > > -jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 11:51:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17266; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:47:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:47:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:45:19 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: Freedom from MIKO To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DCFDE9F.C60D8A14@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <00f101c2891c$d7119ae0$5de1d818@ccsunet.clayton.edu> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I actually did ask him to calm down with the hippy rhetoric a while ago and it made no difference. Insulted him repeatedly, no change. Filters are the only way to go. He's the exact type of person that screams about "fascists" while he goes through life oblivious to everyone and everything around him. He writes to see his posts, not to communicate, though he'd never admit it or even realize it. I for one would be happy to have him off the list, as he contributes very little and floods my inbox. I know that seems cold, but I really try to work hard to write emails that have a degree of facts and an honest educated opinion. I believe in this community and it's resources, and I endeavor to be one of the resources, not random bandwidth suck. Miko: more signal, less noise please. Just because you thought it, you don't have to write it. Mark Tom Ritchford wrote: > At 7:54 PM -0500 11/10/02, magicicada wrote: > >damn it does not need to be the extreme guys. > >say something like this, > > > >"hey miko would you mind chilling on limiting your msg sending a bit?" > > > >see, that is not hard. > > > >personally though miko makes me laugh. every list needs a Miko. > > I get tons of spam selling boring things, sent by soulless machines > to millions of people. > > I certainly don't mind one bit if MIKO, a fellow looper, blah-blahs a bit > to people on the list. > > /t > -- > > http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! > http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 11:53:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17455; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:50:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:50:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: more music Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:49:25 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I appreciate anyone who, like me, uses bitchdom as humor (Dolores), but really, some actual names would help. Currently looking for people playing standard rock guitar - mostly just riffs; Dead style leads and guitar spaces to be made into Dead-based house-slash-techno, a funky or rhythmic bassist, world acoustic... Thanks to anyone with specific names... PEACE, MIKO -----Original Message----- From: Dave Trenkel [mailto:improv@peak.org] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 8:36 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: more music >I guess you missed the actual problem: I DON'T know any guitarists >in SF! Believe it or not.... :( OK, go to a mall, or any other public space. Throw a dead cat. Ask the person you hit to play guitar on your record. Actually, since it's SF, the person you hit is more likely to be a glitch/laptop/electronica type... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 11:57:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17921; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:54:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:54:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: OT: RE: miko, etc. Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:53:12 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20021111164108.CTVD15364.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@rwcrwbc69> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Listen, I'm not insulting YOU. Have you happened to even read or notice that my post of yesterday and this morning have been focused on loop-based music and the stuff needed to get it going? As requested- and I do respect opinions expressed- but really- to simply insult me- it's not right. I can say this- I will promise to do my best to remember to put "OT" in front of any post that does not clearly containing looping information based content. I'd hope if people see this pattern evolving consistently from me they (those censoring my OT comments) will at least consider allowing participation on the musical front. Thanks in advance. Regards, MIKO -----Original Message----- From: Paulrichard10@attbi.com [mailto:Paulrichard10@attbi.com] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 8:41 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: miko, etc. Pesonally, I just automatically delete any post that's headed MIKO. 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Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 11:59:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18165; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:56:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:56:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Collaboration in music (response to RandomLFO) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:55:20 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3DCFDC39.F91D0627@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why is everyone so down on the public? i've been psychically tortured by the uncosnciously driven sadism of the public and yet I still love people and credit the modern audience for music with a respectable base level of intelligence.... There's no proving it anyway so wy must we be harsh on those from whom we desperately, as artists, when we admit it, seek validation? -----Original Message----- From: Mark [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 8:35 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Collaboration in music (response to RandomLFO) > the masses are cattle. period. 95% of the people you see at wal-mart > don't REALLY give a hoot about what's playing on the radio. funny, > but "sonic wallpaper" is a phrase i use as well because it's so > accurate. it's background music for their lives. those folks and > those who really listen exist in very different sonic worlds. Only 95% Jim? Me thinks you're being too generous. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 12:03:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20130; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:01:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:01:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: the metalanguage problem as basis for apparent inanity Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:00:32 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3DCFDE9F.C60D8A14@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <0YwlDD.A.N6E.kJ-z9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, Communicating these things to me sets me straight often. If it seemed I ignored you before, I didn't see. Sometimes I have written to "see my posts"- but I'm trying hard to evolve beyond that ego masturbation. What you don't understand is that for a while I was crazy enough to think that aside from music, people were or have been using innuendo on this list as a way of making humorous communications through subtext. Thus, Mark, there have been times when I responded to the perceived innuendo and not to the directly discussed musically-based looping discussion. And if you review recent posts I think you'll see that "looper" and "repeater" are very often used as metaphor, and that there's a sub-community of this list who use humor and metalanguage to discuss looping as a concept or philosophy that and guide or underscore the life of a looping musician, and not just the act of creating and using audio loops for music. Regards, MIKO -----Original Message----- From: Mark [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 8:45 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Freedom from MIKO I actually did ask him to calm down with the hippy rhetoric a while ago and it made no difference. Insulted him repeatedly, no change. Filters are the only way to go. He's the exact type of person that screams about "fascists" while he goes through life oblivious to everyone and everything around him. He writes to see his posts, not to communicate, though he'd never admit it or even realize it. I for one would be happy to have him off the list, as he contributes very little and floods my inbox. I know that seems cold, but I really try to work hard to write emails that have a degree of facts and an honest educated opinion. I believe in this community and it's resources, and I endeavor to be one of the resources, not random bandwidth suck. Miko: more signal, less noise please. Just because you thought it, you don't have to write it. Mark Tom Ritchford wrote: > At 7:54 PM -0500 11/10/02, magicicada wrote: > >damn it does not need to be the extreme guys. > >say something like this, > > > >"hey miko would you mind chilling on limiting your msg sending a bit?" > > > >see, that is not hard. > > > >personally though miko makes me laugh. every list needs a Miko. > > I get tons of spam selling boring things, sent by soulless machines > to millions of people. > > I certainly don't mind one bit if MIKO, a fellow looper, blah-blahs a bit > to people on the list. > > /t > -- > > http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! > http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 12:17:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21750; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:17:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:17:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:14:51 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: The Quote To: loopers Message-id: <3DCFE58B.9E7C7702@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's from a song called "Black and White"... I forget what album it's on. I figured you were a fan as you looped a Rundgren song at the Santa Cruz loopfest. Man that guy seems to range from genius to sap. Mark Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > Hey-- > I went looking online and can't find it--I'm not saying it's not a > quote--but what song is it by Todd (a wonderful songwriter) that says, > "Everything Changes, and everything stays the same" . . . > Cause otherwise, I'm gonna write it! > Thanks, > Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 12:30:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23358; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:29:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:29:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Is anybody Listening? Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:28:54 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com MIKO wants to know Why is everyone so down on the public? i've been psychically tortured by the uncosnciously driven sadism of the public and yet I still love people and credit the modern audience for music with a respectable base level of intelligence.... There's no proving it anyway so wy must we be harsh on those from whom we desperately, as artists, when we admit it, seek validation? And my reply-- I don't think anyone pays attentions to 95% of the stuff we (musicians) do unless we are physically attractive--at that point they start watching and they are better able to tune in-- I will exclude from my generalization anyone who PLAYS music as they have a leg up on the process. But there is so much music everywhere, and I don't think most folks "tune in". And then there is "taste", so that will weed out others. I always try to play for others (did it for money for so many years), but I know that the finest musical achievement is produced without regard for the "public". Make it good and then let someone sell it--every John and Paul needs a Brian--but don't count on the great unwashed to validate your point of view. I don't think they are paying that much attention! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 12:35:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24192; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:34:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:34:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: The Quote Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:33:50 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3DCFE58B.9E7C7702@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Markie say-- I figured you were a fan as you looped a Rundgren song at the Santa Cruz loopfest. Man that guy seems to range from genius to sap. Yeah--I stopped buying his albums for a while because of the uneven quality--but some of the stuff is brilliant, and I didn't really appreciate "Wailing Wall" for the longest time--kinda go for the uptempo stuff. Gotta go, but I'll be in touch. Sincerely, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 12:38:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24323; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:35:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:35:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:34:38 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Is anybody Listening? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <021001c289a8$9c687e40$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" > I don't think anyone pays attentions to 95% of the stuff we (musicians) do > unless we are physically attractive--at that point they start watching and > they are better able to tune in-- Thats it. I'm going shopping for a girdle tonight. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 14:01:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06514; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:59:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:59:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: Music and Physical Beauty?? Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:58:25 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oh c'mon- smashmouth? elton john? and really- how beautiful is the lead singer of Aerosmith. Thus speaks Miko: beauty, as mu7ch as we desire to make it a physical quality, is an ephemerial one. I truly believe that it belongs to the world of the spirit- in the realm of faith in oneself which quite appropriately coincides with the success of musicians: the cioncidence of success with beauty happens not because beauty precedes it, but because the Self we observe rising from its own ashes is a Self that has found its beauty and is now able to express it. Inherently you deny all those other attributes of success- talent, style, focus, determination, strategy, integrity, charm, and perseverence- to name a few- when you make this comment about physical attractiveness. I would argue that beauty has nothing to do with it- that many well examined celebrities are the most bizarre looking people you've ever seen- when you dive into the dead space of their life-disconnected body, as it exists beyond their life-validating presence. [hear my new age win chimes tinkle in a gentle wind...] Just my opinion. :) -----Original Message----- From: Clayton Gary Lehmann [mailto:relayonemanband@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 9:29 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Is anybody Listening? MIKO wants to know Why is everyone so down on the public? i've been psychically tortured by the uncosnciously driven sadism of the public and yet I still love people and credit the modern audience for music with a respectable base level of intelligence.... There's no proving it anyway so wy must we be harsh on those from whom we desperately, as artists, when we admit it, seek validation? And my reply-- I don't think anyone pays attentions to 95% of the stuff we (musicians) do unless we are physically attractive--at that point they start watching and they are better able to tune in-- I will exclude from my generalization anyone who PLAYS music as they have a leg up on the process. But there is so much music everywhere, and I don't think most folks "tune in". And then there is "taste", so that will weed out others. I always try to play for others (did it for money for so many years), but I know that the finest musical achievement is produced without regard for the "public". Make it good and then let someone sell it--every John and Paul needs a Brian--but don't count on the great unwashed to validate your point of view. I don't think they are paying that much attention! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 14:02:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05255; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:59:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:59:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021111185843.7953.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:58:43 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: RE: Freedom from MIKO To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, I strongly doubt that. Check Miko's mp3 sight, and read miko biffles bio on loopers delight. Different email addresses, different instruments, different influences, different tools, seems to be 2 distinct individuals. There is more than one person name 'Miko'. bret --- Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > What I want to know is, can this be the same Miko Biffle who used to > post > intelligently? > Gary __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 14:03:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06745; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:00:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:00:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: The Quote Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:59:19 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com More proof of the innuendo factor... -----Original Message----- From: Clayton Gary Lehmann [mailto:relayonemanband@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 9:34 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: The Quote Markie say-- I figured you were a fan as you looped a Rundgren song at the Santa Cruz loopfest. Man that guy seems to range from genius to sap. Yeah--I stopped buying his albums for a while because of the uneven quality--but some of the stuff is brilliant, and I didn't really appreciate "Wailing Wall" for the longest time--kinda go for the uptempo stuff. Gotta go, but I'll be in touch. Sincerely, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 14:11:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08140; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:09:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:09:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: The Quote Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:09:15 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I apologize for accidentally posting my reply to "the quote" to the list--meant to keep it off list, but . . . "The innuendo factor???" MIKO, you are starting to worry me . . . G -----Original Message----- From: MIKO [mailto:m-i-k-o@attbi.com] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 10:59 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: The Quote More proof of the innuendo factor... -----Original Message----- From: Clayton Gary Lehmann [mailto:relayonemanband@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 9:34 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: The Quote Markie say-- I figured you were a fan as you looped a Rundgren song at the Santa Cruz loopfest. Man that guy seems to range from genius to sap. Yeah--I stopped buying his albums for a while because of the uneven quality--but some of the stuff is brilliant, and I didn't really appreciate "Wailing Wall" for the longest time--kinda go for the uptempo stuff. Gotta go, but I'll be in touch. Sincerely, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 14:21:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09435; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:21:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:21:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021111192015.50706.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:20:15 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: MIKO, please leave this list To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200211111703.MAA20399@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com MIKO, Please leave this list. This is not the place for you to waste other people's time with your random psycho-babble. A few people have left already because of you and I'm next on that list. If I see you name on this list next week with anything, I mean anything other than ON TOPIC stuff, I'll be taking a break for a while too. I'm asking you nicely and respectfully. Please leave. SVG > i've been psychically tortured by the uncosnciously driven sadism of the > public and yet I still love people and credit the modern audience for music > with a respectable base level of intelligence.... __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 14:30:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10377; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:29:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:29:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021111192853.13443.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:28:53 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: you're boring To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021110000648.041279d8@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If we are so boring Kim, why are you checking your email on your birthday? :-) You missed us, didn't you? Happy Birthday, Kim. The cake is in the mail. I was going to send a rum cake, then I remembered you like scotch. So, it is a single malt cake. I used the whole bottle (drank it while I baked). My vision got a little blurry, so I may have messed up the recipe a little. What do you expect from an old loser? How's the hangover? bret --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 09:04 PM 11/9/2002, charlotte moorman wrote: > >you guys are really boring! > > that's for sure. > > I just got home, drunk out of my fucking mind cause it's my birthday. > I > think I'll go out for some more. You losers can come join me or sit > at home > being old like usual. > > party on, dude, > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 14:46:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12037; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:44:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:44:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DD0080D.388D17E9@ubuibi.org> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:42:05 -0800 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIKO, please leave this list,,seconded References: <20021111192015.50706.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i second the motion but on a lighhter note here am a fun link; http://www.lemonbovril.co.uk/bushspeech/index.html great for answering machines and to stay on topic; are there any new projects like source/product being started ? S V G wrote: > MIKO, > > Please leave this list. This is not the place for you to waste other people's time with your > random psycho-babble. A few people have left already because of you and I'm next on that list. > If I see you name on this list next week with anything, I mean anything other than ON TOPIC stuff, > I'll be taking a break for a while too. > > I'm asking you nicely and respectfully. Please leave. > > SVG > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 14:54:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13481; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:54:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:54:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DCFFCB2.B97BBABE@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:53:39 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: more music References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Uh, there's me. I'm right outside SF. Played a Rave there Saturday night with Jon El-Bizri. I'm also a glitch/laptop/electronica type too. Multifaceted you might say. Mark Dave Trenkel wrote: > >I guess you missed the actual problem: I DON'T know any guitarists > >in SF! Believe it or not.... :( > > OK, go to a mall, or any other public space. Throw a dead cat. Ask > the person you hit to play guitar on your record. > > Actually, since it's SF, the person you hit is more likely to be a > glitch/laptop/electronica type... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 15:17:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18104; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:16:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:16:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent: 11 Nov 2002 20:16:39 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "timothy crowe" Subject: MIKO stuff X-Sent-From: seemso@directvinternet.com Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:16:38 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.1.0-7_sol28 Message-Id: <20021111121639.6500.h007.c007.wm@mail.directvinternet.com.criticalpath.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com let him rant if you don't like it then don't read the mail and delete it. considering all of the shit going on in the world is it really that bad. . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 15:29:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19670; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:26:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:26:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: more music Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:25:01 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3DCFFCB2.B97BBABE@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ok I flagged you. :) I'll be in touch. Thanks. Oh and don't resist. It's more fun to just play along. LOL -----Original Message----- From: sine@zerocrossing.net [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 10:54 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: more music Uh, there's me. I'm right outside SF. Played a Rave there Saturday night with Jon El-Bizri. I'm also a glitch/laptop/electronica type too. Multifaceted you might say. Mark Dave Trenkel wrote: > >I guess you missed the actual problem: I DON'T know any guitarists > >in SF! Believe it or not.... :( > > OK, go to a mall, or any other public space. Throw a dead cat. Ask > the person you hit to play guitar on your record. > > Actually, since it's SF, the person you hit is more likely to be a > glitch/laptop/electronica type... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 15:29:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19891; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:26:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:26:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Freedom from MIKO Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:25:46 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20021111185843.7953.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am no Miko Biffle but am no moron either. -----Original Message----- From: Bret [mailto:echoplex@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 10:59 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Freedom from MIKO No, I strongly doubt that. Check Miko's mp3 sight, and read miko biffles bio on loopers delight. Different email addresses, different instruments, different influences, different tools, seems to be 2 distinct individuals. There is more than one person name 'Miko'. bret --- Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > What I want to know is, can this be the same Miko Biffle who used to > post > intelligently? > Gary __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 15:32:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20137; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:28:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:28:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: The Quote Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:27:42 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I keep forgetting that the innuendos are not formulated by self-directed will at the most material level. Sorry. -----Original Message----- From: Clayton Gary Lehmann [mailto:relayonemanband@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 11:09 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: The Quote I apologize for accidentally posting my reply to "the quote" to the list--meant to keep it off list, but . . . "The innuendo factor???" MIKO, you are starting to worry me . . . G -----Original Message----- From: MIKO [mailto:m-i-k-o@attbi.com] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 10:59 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: The Quote More proof of the innuendo factor... -----Original Message----- From: Clayton Gary Lehmann [mailto:relayonemanband@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 9:34 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: The Quote Markie say-- I figured you were a fan as you looped a Rundgren song at the Santa Cruz loopfest. Man that guy seems to range from genius to sap. Yeah--I stopped buying his albums for a while because of the uneven quality--but some of the stuff is brilliant, and I didn't really appreciate "Wailing Wall" for the longest time--kinda go for the uptempo stuff. Gotta go, but I'll be in touch. Sincerely, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 15:36:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21252; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:33:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:33:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:32:58 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: MIKO, please leave this list,,seconded To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <022301c289c1$85e86a90$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20021111192015.50706.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> <3DD0080D.388D17E9@ubuibi.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'll veto that motion, as all-being - master of time space and dimension. i admit some of miko's post have been disturbing, but this attempt to eject him from the list is more disturbing. it's really easy to hit the delete button or use ignore. it's only a small amount more effort to be tolerant. this is all really childish. i hope none of you "take your ball and go home" > > ... > > Please leave this list. > > ... > > SVG > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 15:41:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22606; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:38:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:38:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: MIko and the like To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.9b Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:37:41 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you guys really need to calm down. my god! want him to leave? you sound like my grandfather. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 15:47:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23620; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:44:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:44:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DD0179B.BB4DC6D9@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:48:27 -0600 From: Kirby Shelstad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIKO, please leave this list,,seconded References: <20021111192015.50706.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> <3DD0080D.388D17E9@ubuibi.org> <022301c289c1$85e86a90$080210ac@jpalmer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com run him thru the spankin' machine and call it a day, for some reason, i think he'd like it k ps. how does that filter work? jim palmer wrote: > i'll veto that motion, > as all-being - master of time space and dimension. > > i admit some of miko's post have been disturbing, > but this attempt to eject him from the list is more disturbing. > it's really easy to hit the delete button or use ignore. > it's only a small amount more effort to be tolerant. > this is all really childish. i hope none of you "take your ball and go home" > > > > ... > > > Please leave this list. > > > ... > > > SVG > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 15:48:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23860; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:45:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:45:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20021111124111.00b35a88@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: the truth is out there Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:41:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: MIko and the like In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey you whipper-snappers!! Get off my lawn!!!! At 03:37 PM 2002/11/11 -0500, Christopher White wrote: >you guys really need to calm down. my god! want him to leave? you sound like my grandfather. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 15:48:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24206; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:45:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:45:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <1c4.15e9b87.2b01709d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:44:13 EST Subject: Banish All Evil Doers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1c4.15e9b87.2b01709d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 8.0 for Windows US sub 180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1c4.15e9b87.2b01709d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/11/02 3:17:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 seemso@directvinternet.com writes: >=20 > considering all of the shit going on in the world is it > really that bad. . . >=20 AMEN... I am more worried by a President and Legislative Branch of America who think= s=20 they now have an electoral mandate based upon only a 1/3 ( or less ) of=20 eligible voters voting to give tax cuts and social security revenue to=20 Brokerage Firms & Insurance Lobby's who financed Bush's Mandate. I am more troubled by tghe willingness of America to spill blood for oil. I am more worried about issues of economic justice and tolerance and am=20 interested in ways in which my own compassion and consideration for others=20 can be evolved and or extended beyond my own desires for ackowledgement. I am more concerned about my realtionship with music and engaging other=20 people where that music and the quality of my relationship can be best=20 embraced and shared with others and tested and what I can do in terms of=20 sharing an open dialog about respecting everyones freedom and hoping for=20 justice to be true for all americans. I am soundin like a sunday preacher & a politician here, but I am also sayin= '=20 that some things including dialogs like this one here should be a part of th= e=20 loop that fades. But if not....I guess yeah...banish all evil doers...until the next one come= s=20 along and then the next one and then whomever else we dont like. Everyone has something to say even if its not very nice, thought-worthy or=20 salient. and by limiting or asking even the most scurrilous or abrasive and abusive=20 types to leave isnt that reasoned of an approach. and more or less in that end we end up silencing ourseves as that even the=20 parts of ourselves we dont like very much still have something to teach us. But to have the desire to inflict punishment is a different story. So yeah, banish all evil doers...but i mean its like deflating whatever high= =20 ground u could claim for yourself if you have to impose it and ask for it an= d=20 point your fingers. Warmest Regards, John Price "AKASH" The World's Most Erotic Band=A0=20 http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic http://groups.= yahoo.com/group/akashmusicnewsgroup "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" --part1_1c4.15e9b87.2b01709d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/11/02 3:17:01 PM Eastern Standar= d Time, seemso@directvinternet.com writes:

considering all of the shit going on in the world is it
really that bad. . .


AMEN...

I am more worried by a President and Legislative Branch of America who think= s they now have an electoral mandate based upon only a 1/3 ( or less ) of el= igible voters voting to give tax cuts and social security revenue to Brokera= ge Firms & Insurance Lobby's who financed Bush's Mandate.

I am more troubled by tghe willingness of America to spill blood for oil.
I am more worried about issues of economic justice and tolerance and am inte= rested in ways in which my own compassion and consideration for others can b= e evolved and or extended beyond my own desires for ackowledgement.

I am more concerned about my realtionship with music and engaging other peop= le where that music and the quality of my relationship can be best embraced=20= and shared with others and tested and what I can do in terms of sharing an o= pen dialog about respecting everyones freedom and hoping for justice to be t= rue for all americans.

I am soundin like a sunday preacher & a politician here, but I am also s= ayin' that some things including dialogs like this one here should be a part= of the loop that fades.

But if not....I guess yeah...banish all evil doers...until the next one come= s along and then the next one and then whomever else we dont like.

Everyone has something to say even if its not very nice, thought-worthy or s= alient.

and by limiting or asking even the most scurrilous or abrasive and abusive t= ypes to leave isnt that reasoned of an approach.

and more or less in that end we end up silencing ourseves as that even the p= arts of ourselves we dont like very much still have something to teach us.
But to have the desire to inflict punishment is a different story.

So yeah, banish all evil doers...but i mean its like deflating whatever high= ground u could claim for yourself if you have to impose it and ask for it a= nd point your fingers.

Warmest Regards,
John Price "AKASH"
The World's Most Erotic Band=A0
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic<= BR> http://groups.= yahoo.com/group/akashmusicnewsgroup
"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"






 --part1_1c4.15e9b87.2b01709d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 15:51:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25158; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:48:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:48:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: <17.3164ac15.2b017166@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:47:34 EST Subject: Re: Collaboration in music (response to RandomLFO) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_17.3164ac15.2b017166_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_17.3164ac15.2b017166_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello. Actually I did hesitate on the "Check your meds" comment. I only included it in an attempt at a kind of tongue and cheek HELLO, WAKE-UP! I did not intend to hurt. Miko actually made a reference to being medicated in a previous email. In saying that, I am also have to admit that it is a potentailly unhurtful comment. Miko, If you have been hurt by this particular comment, I do apologize. Also remember this the next time you call people Moron's and Fascists. Curiously enough, I really wasn't sure how to take Miko's post. There certainly is some thought provoking content in it, but there is also some very blatant BS. I actually do not feel frustrated by Miko's comments. I'm just still figuring out how to take them. To be honest, I was actually laughing out loud by the time I signed-off. I wasn't laughing a vicious laugh at Miko, I was just simply laughing for the sake of laughing. I was also laughing at myself for somehow getting caught up in the whole thing. We have to remember that we can't chose who is on this list anymore than we can chose our family. Some of us will be mad at others sometimes, that's just the way it goes. None of us, including me, should strive to be hurtful though. I think that is where we need to draw the line. On to more Loop content... Marc PS: thanks for your "opinion" CQ. In a message dated 11/11/2002 5:30:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, thefates@earthlink.net writes: > Marc, I enjoy reading your posts quite alot, but need to respond in the > negative to this one. People have been upset with Miko for posting many > off-topic posts of late, and this one at least to me is quite on-topic, and > one that I found rather interesting and thought-provoking. -Regardless > whether it's opinion or not... > to me at least, it's sort of like dis'ing someone when they're > only doing what you've asked them to. Wouldn't you say?... > I also think the Check your meds comment is unfair, insulting and harsh, > and maybe not the best or most polite way of showing your frustration, not > to mention, on a public forum. -a bit hurtful, don't ya think? -Miko > has afterall, mentioned this, apologized for OT posts, and was ready to > leave the list. -To me, your comment is a bit much, to say the least... > These are obviously just my opinions, but I for one really enjoyed > reading that post, whether I agreed or not. Have a great night, K? > > CQ > --part1_17.3164ac15.2b017166_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      Hello. Actually I did hesitate on the "Check your meds" comment. I only included it in an attempt at a kind of tongue and cheek HELLO, WAKE-UP! I did not intend to hurt. Miko actually made a reference to being medicated in a previous email. In saying that, I am also have to admit that it is a potentailly unhurtful comment. Miko, If you have been hurt by this particular comment, I do apologize. Also remember this the next time you call people Moron's and Fascists.
     Curiously enough, I really wasn't sure how to take Miko's post. There certainly is some thought provoking content in it, but there is also some very blatant BS. I actually do not feel frustrated by Miko's comments. I'm just still figuring out how to take them. To be honest, I was actually laughing out loud by the time I signed-off. I wasn't laughing a vicious laugh at Miko, I was just simply laughing for the sake of laughing. I was also laughing at myself for somehow getting caught up in the whole thing.
     We have to remember that we can't chose who is on this list anymore than we can chose our family. Some of us will be mad at others sometimes, that's just the way it goes. None of us, including me, should strive to be hurtful though. I think that is where we need to draw the line. On to more Loop content...
     Marc
PS: thanks for your "opinion" CQ.
     
   

In a message dated 11/11/2002 5:30:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, thefates@earthlink.net writes:


  Marc, I enjoy reading your posts quite alot, but need to respond in the
negative to this one.   People have been upset with Miko for  posting many
off-topic posts of late, and this one at least to me is quite on-topic, and
one that I found rather interesting and thought-provoking.    -Regardless
whether it's opinion or not... 
  <smile>   to me at least, it's sort of like dis'ing someone when they're
only doing what you've asked them to.  Wouldn't you say?...  
  I also think the Check your meds comment is unfair, insulting and harsh,
and maybe not the best or most polite way of showing your frustration, not
to mention, on a public forum.    -a bit hurtful, don't ya think?  -Miko
has afterall, mentioned this, apologized for OT posts, and was ready to
leave the list.  -To me, your comment is a bit much, to say the least... 
  These are obviously just my opinions, but I for one really enjoyed
reading that post, whether I agreed or not.   Have a great night, K?  

CQ


 --part1_17.3164ac15.2b017166_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 15:52:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25508; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:48:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:48:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:51:19 -0500 Subject: a gear head question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) From: mr monk To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <544D69FC-F5B7-11D6-8274-000393073870@fuse.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yall got to much time on your collective hands.. anyway... has anyone done long stereo loops with consistent success? if so, what card are you folks using? On Monday, November 11, 2002, at 03:25 PM, MIKO wrote: > I am no Miko Biffle but am no moron either. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bret [mailto:echoplex@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 10:59 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Freedom from MIKO > > > No, I strongly doubt that. Check Miko's mp3 sight, and read miko > biffles bio on loopers delight. Different email addresses, different > instruments, different influences, different tools, seems to be 2 > distinct individuals. There is more than one person name 'Miko'. > bret > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 15:59:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26232; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:51:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:51:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:53:43 -0500 Subject: Re: a gear head question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) From: mr monk To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <544D69FC-F5B7-11D6-8274-000393073870@fuse.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oops....... using the repeater... that is... On Monday, November 11, 2002, at 03:51 PM, mr monk wrote: > yall got to much time on your collective hands.. > > > anyway... has anyone done long stereo loops with consistent success? > if so, what card are you folks using? > > > > On Monday, November 11, 2002, at 03:25 PM, MIKO wrote: > >> I am no Miko Biffle but am no moron either. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bret [mailto:echoplex@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 10:59 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: RE: Freedom from MIKO >> >> >> No, I strongly doubt that. Check Miko's mp3 sight, and read miko >> biffles bio on loopers delight. Different email addresses, different >> instruments, different influences, different tools, seems to be 2 >> distinct individuals. There is more than one person name 'Miko'. >> bret >> > > monk@fuse.net http://www.monkmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 16:15:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30220; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:13:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:13:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DD01CD9.C38DB1DC@ubuibi.org> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:10:48 -0800 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: unsubscribe References: <20021111192015.50706.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> <3DD0080D.388D17E9@ubuibi.org> <022301c289c1$85e86a90$080210ac@jpalmer> <3DD0179B.BB4DC6D9@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com there hasn't been an interesting thread on this list for a while. and i hate that this group doesn't have a tag on messages so it becomes diffucult to tell which may be real messages and which are stupid miko-esque crap to delete and i love playing devil's advocate and i have been looping most likely longer than any of you (1979) but enough is enough -das www.ubuibi.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 16:18:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31193; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:17:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:17:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Collaboration in music (response to RandomLFO) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:16:13 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C28984.829D7200" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <17.3164ac15.2b017166@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C28984.829D7200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nope, not hurt. I'm trying to stick to music here. Everyone shush about anything else and then the complaining stops! LOL Everyone replies to my OT posts but never to my "mic jack" or "sound card" posts- LOL- yes, in the past I got pre-amp advice but I'm hoping to hear about simply using a better sound card... -----Original Message----- From: RandomLFO@aol.com [mailto:RandomLFO@aol.com] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Collaboration in music (response to RandomLFO) Hello. Actually I did hesitate on the "Check your meds" comment. I only included it in an attempt at a kind of tongue and cheek HELLO, WAKE-UP! I did not intend to hurt. Miko actually made a reference to being medicated in a previous email. In saying that, I am also have to admit that it is a potentailly unhurtful comment. Miko, If you have been hurt by this particular comment, I do apologize. Also remember this the next time you call people Moron's and Fascists. Curiously enough, I really wasn't sure how to take Miko's post. There certainly is some thought provoking content in it, but there is also some very blatant BS. I actually do not feel frustrated by Miko's comments. I'm just still figuring out how to take them. To be honest, I was actually laughing out loud by the time I signed-off. I wasn't laughing a vicious laugh at Miko, I was just simply laughing for the sake of laughing. I was also laughing at myself for somehow getting caught up in the whole thing. We have to remember that we can't chose who is on this list anymore than we can chose our family. Some of us will be mad at others sometimes, that's just the way it goes. None of us, including me, should strive to be hurtful though. I think that is where we need to draw the line. On to more Loop content... Marc PS: thanks for your "opinion" CQ. In a message dated 11/11/2002 5:30:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, thefates@earthlink.net writes: Marc, I enjoy reading your posts quite alot, but need to respond in the negative to this one. People have been upset with Miko for posting many off-topic posts of late, and this one at least to me is quite on-topic, and one that I found rather interesting and ught-provoking. -Regardless whether it's opinion or not... to me at least, it's sort of like dis'ing someone when they're only doing what you've asked them to. Wouldn't you say?... I also think the Check your meds comment is unfair, insulting and harsh, and maybe not the best or most polite way of showing your frustration, not to mention, on a public forum. -a bit hurtful, don't ya think? -Miko has afterall, mentioned this, apologized for OT posts, and was ready to leave the list. -To me, your comment is a bit much, to say the least... These are obviously just my opinions, but I for one really enjoyed reading that post, whether I agreed or not. Have a great night, K? CQ ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C28984.829D7200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
nope, not=20 hurt.
 
I'm = trying to=20 stick to music here.  Everyone shush about anything else and then = the=20 complaining stops!  LOL
 
Everyone replies=20 to my OT posts but never to my "mic jack" or "sound card" posts-  = LOL- yes,=20 in the past I got pre-amp advice but I'm hoping to hear about simply = using a=20 better sound card...
-----Original Message-----
From: RandomLFO@aol.com=20 [mailto:RandomLFO@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 = 12:48=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 Collaboration in music (response to = RandomLFO)

     Hello. = Actually I=20 did hesitate on the "Check your meds" comment. I only included it in = an=20 attempt at a kind of tongue and cheek HELLO, WAKE-UP! I did not intend = to=20 hurt. Miko actually made a reference to being medicated in a previous = email.=20 In saying that, I am also have to admit that it is a potentailly = unhurtful=20 comment. Miko, If you have been hurt by this particular comment, I do=20 apologize. Also remember this the next time you call people Moron's = and=20 Fascists.
     Curiously enough, I really = wasn't sure=20 how to take Miko's post. There certainly is some thought provoking = content in=20 it, but there is also some very blatant BS. I actually do not feel = frustrated=20 by Miko's comments. I'm just still figuring out how to take them. To = be=20 honest, I was actually laughing out loud by the time I signed-off. I = wasn't=20 laughing a vicious laugh at Miko, I was just simply laughing for the = sake of=20 laughing. I was also laughing at myself for somehow getting caught up = in the=20 whole thing.
     We have to remember that we = can't=20 chose who is on this list anymore than we can chose our family. Some = of us=20 will be mad at others sometimes, that's just the way it goes. None of = us,=20 including me, should strive to be hurtful though. I think that is = where we=20 need to draw the line. On to more Loop = content...
    =20 Marc
PS: thanks for your "opinion" = CQ.
     =20
   

In a message dated 11/11/2002 5:30:22 = AM=20 Eastern Standard Time, thefates@earthlink.net writes:


  Marc, I enjoy reading your posts quite alot, but = need to=20 respond in the
negative to this one.   People have been = upset=20 with Miko for  posting many
off-topic posts of late, and = this one at=20 least to me is quite on-topic, and
one that I found rather = interesting=20 and thought-provoking.    -Regardless
whether it's = opinion=20 or not... 
  <smile>   to me at least, = it's=20 sort of like dis'ing someone when they're
only doing what you've = asked=20 them to.  Wouldn't you say?...  
  I also = think the=20 Check your meds comment is unfair, insulting and harsh,
and maybe = not the=20 best or most polite way of showing your frustration, not
to = mention, on a=20 public forum.    -a bit hurtful, don't ya = think? =20 -Miko
has afterall, mentioned this, apologized for OT posts, and = was=20 ready to
leave the list.  -To me, your comment is a bit = much, to say=20 the least... 
  These are obviously just my opinions, = but I=20 for one really enjoyed
reading that post, whether I agreed or=20 not.   Have a great night, K?  =20 =

CQ


 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C28984.829D7200-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 16:19:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30406; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:14:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:14:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:12:50 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: MIko and the like To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <035a01c289c7$1dcd82a0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <874nnD.A.HaH.b2B09@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher White" > you guys really need to calm down. my god! want him to > leave? you sound like my grandfather. That's right folks...chill out....go make some music... and when you come back...just use the delete key if you don't want to read someones posts. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 16:20:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30587; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:14:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:14:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: <17f.11b123de.2b017794@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:13:56 EST Subject: Re: Collaboration in music (response to RandomLFO) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_17f.11b123de.2b017794_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_17f.11b123de.2b017794_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/11/2002 5:31:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, m-i-k-o@attbi.com writes: > You've missed my point. > > Let me provide a general MIKO rule: I'm the devil's advocate. Or moreso, > I am the Tin Man, advocate for a Middle Way I don't even follow myself half > the time . > > If someone comes on strongly about solo, as if to invalidate it, I can't > help but balance their response with a discussion of the importantce of > collaboration as well. > > MIKO rule # 2 (for myself, not a fascist dictate): It's all GOOOOOD. > > Oh no- we're not using plain text! > > *there* - I switched... > Hmmm... How do we continue this as a discussion as opposed to antagonism? This is a question that I ask of myself. I ask it outloud so as to remove antagonism from the continuation of conversation. I guess you are a good Devil's advocate Miko. Your zeal for the part has it's own pit falls. Your point does get lost in the nonsense, and it gets even more lost in personal attacks. A devil's advocate has the ability to provoke a lot of thinking, or just simply provoke. You have actually done both quite well. That is one reason I laugh at myself over this. A devil's advocate also has the ability to make themselves a target very quickly. I think this may be a source of laughter for you though. On Miko rule#2, It's actually not all gooood. There are some things that really, really suck! Violent death and suffering for starters. Fortunately we are not dealing with those. On a much less catastrophic tact, none of us will ever totally agree on what is best method of getting one's point across. For the sake of the rest of the list: It would be interesting if you could present some of what you are trying to say in the context of looping. Afterall, that is why we are all here. Marc --part1_17f.11b123de.2b017794_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/11/2002 5:31:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, m-i-k-o@attbi.com writes:


You've missed my point.

Let me provide a general MIKO rule:  I'm the devil's advocate.   Or moreso,
I am the Tin Man, advocate for a Middle Way I don't even follow myself half
the time <sic>.

If someone comes on strongly about solo, as if to invalidate it, I can't
help but balance their response with a discussion of the importantce of
collaboration as well.

MIKO rule # 2 (for myself, not a fascist dictate):   It's all GOOOOOD.

Oh no- we're not using plain text!

*there* - I switched...


     Hmmm... How do we continue this as a discussion as opposed to antagonism? This is a question that I ask of myself. I ask it outloud so as to remove antagonism from the continuation of conversation. 
     I guess you are a good Devil's advocate Miko. Your zeal for the part has it's own pit falls. Your point does get lost in the nonsense, and it gets even more lost in personal attacks. A devil's advocate has the ability to provoke a lot of thinking, or just simply provoke. You have actually done both quite well. That is one reason I laugh at myself over this. A devil's advocate also has the ability to make themselves a target very quickly. I think this may be a source of laughter for you though.
     On Miko rule#2, It's actually not all gooood. There are some things that really, really suck! Violent death and suffering for starters. Fortunately we are not dealing with those. On a much less catastrophic tact, none of us will ever totally agree on what is best method of getting one's point across.  
     For the sake of the rest of the list: It would be interesting if you could present some of what you are trying to say in the context of looping. Afterall, that is why we are all here.
     Marc --part1_17f.11b123de.2b017794_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 16:33:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32662; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:27:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:27:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021111212711.10964.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:27:11 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Freedom from MIKO To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20021111185843.7953.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-804694733-1037050031=:10767" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-804694733-1037050031=:10767 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You can hear Miko Biffle's stuff at Loopxchange, especially CT-Acoustic: http://music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/works.html MikoNotMichael (we used to call him that so he wouldn't get mixed up with Michael Klobuchar): Where are you???? -t- Bret wrote:No, I strongly doubt that. Check Miko's mp3 sight, and read miko biffles bio on loopers delight. Different email addresses, different instruments, different influences, different tools, seems to be 2 distinct individuals. There is more than one person name 'Miko'. bret --- Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > What I want to know is, can this be the same Miko Biffle who used to > post > intelligently? > Gary __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD --0-804694733-1037050031=:10767 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

You can hear Miko Biffle's stuff at Loopxchange, especially CT-Acoustic: http://music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/works.html

MikoNotMichael (we used to call him that so he wouldn't get mixed up with Michael Klobuchar): Where are you????

-t-

 Bret <echoplex@yahoo.com> wrote:

No, I strongly doubt that. Check Miko's mp3 sight, and read miko
biffles bio on loopers delight. Different email addresses, different
instruments, different influences, different tools, seems to be 2
distinct individuals. There is more than one person name 'Miko'.
bret
--- Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote:
> What I want to know is, can this be the same Miko Biffle who used to
> post
> intelligently?
> Gary


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U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD --0-804694733-1037050031=:10767-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 16:36:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01414; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:36:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:36:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:34:52 EST Subject: Re: more music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, CT-Collective@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c5.2c0a35f1.2b017c7c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c5.2c0a35f1.2b017c7c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/11/02 9:47:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, psychle62@yahoo.com writes: > (One of mine isn't me!) > thats not good!.....perhaps morgan can take a look at the site.....anyone else having problems of this nature?.....sorry.....the CT-COLLECTIVE has been on vacation.....please stay tuned.....michael --part1_c5.2c0a35f1.2b017c7c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/11/02 9:47:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, psychle62@yahoo.com writes:


(One of mine isn't me!)

thats not good!.....perhaps morgan can take a look at the site.....anyone else having problems of this nature?.....sorry.....the CT-COLLECTIVE has been on vacation.....please stay tuned.....michael --part1_c5.2c0a35f1.2b017c7c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 16:40:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02157; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:39:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:39:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1c2.15efa14.2b017d69@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:38:49 EST Subject: Re: more music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1c2.15efa14.2b017d69_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1c2.15efa14.2b017d69_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/11/02 9:47:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, psychle62@yahoo.com writes: > (One of mine isn't me!) am i a clone, i didnt know this was you tim!.....mnm --part1_1c2.15efa14.2b017d69_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/11/02 9:47:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, psychle62@yahoo.com writes:


(One of mine isn't me!)


am i a clone, i didnt know this was you tim!.....mnm --part1_1c2.15efa14.2b017d69_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 16:44:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02870; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:43:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:43:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Freedom from MIKO Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:41:57 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C28988.1ACDAEC0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20021111212711.10964.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C28988.1ACDAEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.mp3.com/miko -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 1:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Freedom from MIKO You can hear Miko Biffle's stuff at Loopxchange, especially CT-Acoustic: http://music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/works.html MikoNotMichael (we used to call him that so he wouldn't get mixed up with Michael Klobuchar): Where are you???? -t- Bret wrote: No, I strongly doubt that. Check Miko's mp3 sight, and read miko biffles bio on loopers delight. Different email addresses, different instruments, different influences, different tools, seems to be 2 distinct individuals. There is more than one person name 'Miko'. bret --- Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > What I want to know is, can this be the same Miko Biffle who used to > post > intelligently? > Gary __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C28988.1ACDAEC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
http://www.mp3.com/miko
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Nelson=20 [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 = 1:27=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE:=20 Freedom from MIKO

You can hear Miko Biffle's stuff at Loopxchange, especially = CT-Acoustic: http:/= /music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/works.html=20

MikoNotMichael (we used to call him that so he wouldn't get mixed = up with=20 Michael Klobuchar): Where are you????=20

-t-=20

 Bret <echoplex@yahoo.com> wrote:=20 No,=20 I strongly doubt that. Check Miko's mp3 sight, and read = miko
biffles bio=20 on loopers delight. Different email addresses, = different
instruments,=20 different influences, different tools, seems to be 2
distinct=20 individuals. There is more than one person name = 'Miko'.
bret
---=20 Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote:
> = What I=20 want to know is, can this be the same Miko Biffle who used = to
>=20 post
> intelligently?
>=20 = Gary


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U= 2 on=20 LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits=20 CD ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C28988.1ACDAEC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 16:52:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04205; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:52:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:52:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021111215113.98663.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:51:13 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Freedom from MIKO To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1217379434-1037051473=:97033" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1217379434-1037051473=:97033 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Right, my point was to confirm that you and Miko Biffle are most definitely not the same person, which I'm sure you already knew. The other Miko lives not too far away from you (half an hour south or so), and is an excellent guitarist... (You could ask him if you could sample and loop his Chain Tape stuff for an all-Miko collaboration, maybe.) -t- MIKO wrote:http://www.mp3.com/miko-----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 1:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Freedom from MIKO You can hear Miko Biffle's stuff at Loopxchange, especially CT-Acoustic: http://music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/works.html MikoNotMichael (we used to call him that so he wouldn't get mixed up with Michael Klobuchar): Where are you???? -t- --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD --0-1217379434-1037051473=:97033 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Right, my point was to confirm that you and Miko Biffle are most definitely not the same person, which I'm sure you already knew. The other Miko lives not too far away from you (half an hour south or so), and is an excellent guitarist... (You could ask him if you could sample and loop his Chain Tape stuff for an all-Miko collaboration, maybe.)

-t-

 MIKO <m-i-k-o@attbi.com> wrote:

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 1:27 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Freedom from MIKO

You can hear Miko Biffle's stuff at Loopxchange, especially CT-Acoustic: http://music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/works.html

MikoNotMichael (we used to call him that so he wouldn't get mixed up with Michael Klobuchar): Where are you????

-t-


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U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD --0-1217379434-1037051473=:97033-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 16:53:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04361; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:52:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:52:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DD01898.BB6D914F@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:52:40 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: a gear head question References: <544D69FC-F5B7-11D6-8274-000393073870@fuse.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've had luck with the POLAR module of MOTU's Digital Performer 3 using a MOTU 828 firewire audio interface on a 450 mhz G4. Mark mr monk wrote: > yall got to much time on your collective hands.. > > anyway... has anyone done long stereo loops with consistent success? if > so, what card are you folks using? > > On Monday, November 11, 2002, at 03:25 PM, MIKO wrote: > > > I am no Miko Biffle but am no moron either. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bret [mailto:echoplex@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 10:59 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: RE: Freedom from MIKO > > > > > > No, I strongly doubt that. Check Miko's mp3 sight, and read miko > > biffles bio on loopers delight. Different email addresses, different > > instruments, different influences, different tools, seems to be 2 > > distinct individuals. There is more than one person name 'Miko'. > > bret > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 16:55:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04948; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:54:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:54:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: <124.19d5606f.2b0180ec@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:53:48 EST Subject: Re: Collaboration in music (response to RandomLFO) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_124.19d5606f.2b0180ec_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_124.19d5606f.2b0180ec_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/11/2002 11:57:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, m-i-k-o@attbi.com writes: > Why is everyone so down on the public? > > i've been psychically tortured by the uncosnciously driven sadism of the > public and yet I still love people and credit the modern audience for music > with a respectable base level of intelligence.... > > There's no proving it anyway so wy must we be harsh on those from whom we > desperately, as artists, when we admit it, seek validation? > I do have to disagree with the perception of 95% of public being cattle. I don't think that any artist would ever be dumb enough to say that to an audience (I'm sure that some have though). However I can remember a fair number of gigs that the said public didn't do themselves any favors. Freebird, Macarena, anyone? Acohol, fastfood, and soundbites, haven't helped the public either. After a certain period of time, and a certain level of dulled down senses, many people start to like what is familiar, even if what is familar tastes, feels, and smells like crap. There are of course many salesmen, corporate executives, and politicans that would like everything to be the same, and everyone to think the same. They have succesfully influenced many people. In fact, they have had an effect on all of us. That is definitley NOT all good. Intelligent public? Yes, but intelligent in what way. Musically? Most people seem to know pretty quickly what they like and don't like. That can be considered intelligence (but is also shaded by other factors). But how many of us (WE are all the listening public), really take a moment to consider what we are listening too? Not even musicians are consistent on that count. I will say that I find the audiences at Modern Dance performances, and Art Galleries generally much more musically intelligent than a drunken audience at a night club. But of course far fewer people are going to Modern Dance performances and Art Galleries to get laid. They wait 'til afterward and go to the night club. Marc --part1_124.19d5606f.2b0180ec_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/11/2002 11:57:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, m-i-k-o@attbi.com writes:


Why is everyone so down on the public?

i've been psychically tortured by the uncosnciously driven sadism of the
public and yet I still love people and credit the modern audience for music
with a respectable base level of intelligence....

There's no proving it anyway so wy must we be harsh on those from whom we
desperately, as artists, when we admit it, seek validation?


     I do have to disagree with the perception of 95% of public being cattle. I don't think that any artist would ever be dumb enough to say that to an audience (I'm sure that some have though). However I can remember a fair number of gigs that the said public didn't do themselves any favors. Freebird, Macarena, anyone? Acohol, fastfood, and soundbites, haven't helped the public either. After a certain period of time, and a certain level of dulled down senses, many people start to like what is familiar, even if what is familar tastes, feels, and smells like crap.
     There are of course many salesmen, corporate executives, and politicans that would like everything to be the same, and everyone to think the same. They have succesfully influenced many people. In fact, they have had an effect on all of us. That is definitley NOT all good.
     Intelligent public? Yes, but intelligent in what way. Musically? Most people seem to know pretty quickly what they like and don't like. That can be considered intelligence (but is also shaded by other factors). But how many of us (WE are all the listening public), really take a moment to consider what we are listening too? Not even musicians are consistent on that count. I will say that I find the audiences at Modern Dance performances, and Art Galleries generally much more musically intelligent than a drunken audience at a night club. But of course far fewer people are going to Modern Dance performances and Art Galleries to get laid. They wait 'til afterward and go to the night club.
     Marc
 --part1_124.19d5606f.2b0180ec_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 16:55:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03830; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:50:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:50:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3DD01CD9.C38DB1DC@ubuibi.org> References: <20021111192015.50706.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> <3DD0080D.388D17E9@ubuibi.org> <022301c289c1$85e86a90$080210ac@jpalmer> <3DD0179B.BB4DC6D9@mindspring.com> <3DD01CD9.C38DB1DC@ubuibi.org> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:50:55 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >but enough is enough You'll need to send a message to the list majordomo to unsub, no? Post/removal instructions were sent when you joined. In other words, you sent a post message not an unsub message. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 16:57:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05507; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:56:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:56:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1a9.bc72daf.2b01816a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:55:54 EST Subject: Re: Freedom from MIKO To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a9.bc72daf.2b01816a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: <-zjQKC.A.cVB._dC09@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1a9.bc72daf.2b01816a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/11/02 3:26:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, m-i-k-o@attbi.com writes: > I am no Miko Biffle but am no moron either. > now there's a line!.....in fact, that is how i am going to introduce myself from now on.....mnm --part1_1a9.bc72daf.2b01816a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/11/02 3:26:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, m-i-k-o@attbi.com writes:


I am no Miko Biffle but am no moron either.


now there's a line!.....in fact, that is how i am going to introduce myself from now on.....mnm --part1_1a9.bc72daf.2b01816a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 17:04:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07982; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:03:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:03:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DD01B12.46711D3A@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:03:14 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIKO stuff References: <20021111121639.6500.h007.c007.wm@mail.directvinternet.com.criticalpath.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Perhaps you don't get a lot of emails, and MIKOs don't seem all that much, but if you get a lot of email (and spam) you start having really bad "signal to noise ratio". This list is self moderating. On any other list, he'd be kicked off in a heartbeat. Since Kim doesn't want to be our baby-sitter (who can blame him?) we're left to police ourselves. The issue is, all the shit in the world is going on because people are not communicating. Having constant nonsense put in your inbox every day just adds to what you have to ignore. If he really wants to rant, he should post his musings on a web site and have is URL listed in the Loopers of the World profile page. This way, if you feel like reading is babble it's there for you, if not you don't have 2 doz. emails to delete out of your inbox every hour. There are also good journal pages for what he writes, such as http://www.livejournal.com This is NOT the place for random off topic ranting. Just think if everyone started doing this, this list would begin to suck. As right as I consider myself, I know that IT IS NOT OK TO DO WHAT EVER YOU WANT. Discipline. Learn it. Mark timothy crowe wrote: > let him rant > if you don't like it then > don't read the mail and delete it. > considering all of the shit going on in the world is it > really that bad. . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 17:09:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08738; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:09:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:09:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: <9c.2938fb34.2b01844e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:08:14 EST Subject: Soundcards, was Re: Collaboration in music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9c.2938fb34.2b01844e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_9c.2938fb34.2b01844e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/11/2002 4:17:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, m-i-k-o@attbi.com writes: > Everyone replies to my OT posts but never to my "mic jack" or "sound card" > posts- LOL- yes, in the past I got pre-amp advice but I'm hoping to hear > about simply using a better sound card... I think that I deleted a fair number of soundcard posts since they seemed to focus interfaces that I had no experience with. I did not have anything valid to contribute, so I moved on. FWIW, I am using an Echo Layla24 laptop, and a MOTU 2408 w/ my desktop. If you are using a PC and have questions about either of these units, I will be more than happy to give you what info I can. Marc --part1_9c.2938fb34.2b01844e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/11/2002 4:17:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, m-i-k-o@attbi.com writes:


Everyone replies to my OT posts but never to my "mic jack" or "sound card" posts-  LOL- yes, in the past I got pre-amp advice but I'm hoping to hear about simply using a better sound card...


     I think that I deleted a fair number of soundcard posts since they seemed to focus interfaces that I had no experience with. I did not have anything valid to contribute, so I moved on. FWIW, I am using an Echo Layla24 laptop, and a MOTU 2408 w/ my desktop. If you are using a PC and have questions about either of these units, I will be more than happy to give you what info I can.
     Marc --part1_9c.2938fb34.2b01844e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 17:12:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09213; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:12:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:12:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010401c289cf$40db88c0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <20021111192015.50706.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> <3DD0080D.388D17E9@ubuibi.org> <022301c289c1$85e86a90$080210ac@jpalmer> <3DD0179B.BB4DC6D9@mindspring.com> <3DD01CD9.C38DB1DC@ubuibi.org> Subject: Spontaneous Conversion Event Strikes Loopers List! Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:11:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Spontaneous Conversion Event Strikes Loopers List! WWW.com (AP) - Scientitsts were baffled today by the apparently spontaneous conversion of the well-known "Looper's Delight" mail list into "Groucher's Delight." Many subscribers of the normally easy-going list began to complain and grouch and generally snip at each other. "This is quite unusual! Generally, we talk about such cool and important stuff like which end of the cable you should use.", commented a lister. "It makes my head hurt!", said Kim Flint, father figure of the list. Some scientists speculated that this proves N-rays affects the fine structure of the looptron and anti-looptron, the fundamental particles of looping. Other scientists doubt this. Most think it's horseshit and just use the delete key. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 17:19:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10147; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:18:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:18:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <010401c289cf$40db88c0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <20021111192015.50706.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> <3DD0080D.388D17E9@ubuibi.org> <022301c289c1$85e86a90$080210ac@jpalmer> <3DD0179B.BB4DC6D9@mindspring.com> <3DD01CD9.C38DB1DC@ubuibi.org> <010401c289cf$40db88c0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:19:31 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Spontaneous Conversion Event Strikes Loopers List! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <9pYN8.A.BeC.pyC09@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Most think it's horseshit and just >use the delete key. Addendum: In an ironic twist, one astute observer noted that commentary after commentary on the above-mentioned "horeshit" only adds to the amount of cumulative horshit (such as this email) to be deleted. It seems that the writer of the AP story failed to take into account his own advice. Ironic indeed. :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 17:28:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11047; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:24:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:24:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Audience Perception Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:12:52 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <124.19d5606f.2b0180ec@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0kZrdB.A.6rC.c4C09@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wasn't trying to say that an audience does not perceive music. My point is that most folks don't have the tools to understand music the way almost all of us here do. I have trouble speaking when others start talking (oh, say, answering me before I am thru) because I start listening. A liability? Perhaps . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 17:36:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12350; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:33:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:33:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Soundcards, was Re: Collaboration in music Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:32:24 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2898F.26E7F6A0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <9c.2938fb34.2b01844e@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <-OB7wB.A.FAD.tAD09@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2898F.26E7F6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks. Is there anyone in San Francisco who might let me me visit his/her apartment to see the standard Echoplex setup since echoplex seems to be the main device used? Note that you might get some feedback while I'm there. (Whoever on this list knows what that means- well, finally- the innuendo issue is cleared up for you.) -----Original Message----- From: RandomLFO@aol.com [mailto:RandomLFO@aol.com] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 2:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Soundcards, was Re: Collaboration in music In a message dated 11/11/2002 4:17:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, m-i-k-o@attbi.com writes: Everyone replies to my OT posts but never to my "mic jack" or "sound card" posts- LOL- yes, in the past I got pre-amp advice but I'm hoping to hear about simply using a better sound card... I think that I deleted a fair number of soundcard posts since they seemed to focus interfaces that I had no experience with. I did not have anything valid to contribute, so I moved on. FWIW, I am using an Echo Layla24 laptop, and a MOTU 2408 w/ my desktop. If you are using a PC and have questions about either of these units, I will be more than happy to give you what info I can. Marc ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2898F.26E7F6A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks.
 
Is = there anyone=20 in San Francisco who might let me me visit his/her apartment to see the = standard=20 Echoplex setup since echoplex seems to be the main device=20 used?
 
Note that you=20 might get some feedback while I'm there.  (Whoever on this = list knows=20 what that means- well, finally- the innuendo issue is cleared up for=20 you.)
-----Original Message-----
From: RandomLFO@aol.com=20 [mailto:RandomLFO@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 = 2:08=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Soundcards, was Re: Collaboration in music

In a message dated 11/11/2002 = 4:17:42 PM=20 Eastern Standard Time, m-i-k-o@attbi.com = writes:


 Everyone replies to my OT posts but never to my "mic = jack" or=20 "sound card" posts-  LOL- yes, in the past I got pre-amp advice = but I'm=20 hoping to hear about simply using a better sound=20 card...


     I think that I = deleted a fair=20 number of soundcard posts since they seemed to focus interfaces that I = had no=20 experience with. I did not have anything valid to contribute, so I = moved on.=20 FWIW, I am using an Echo Layla24 laptop, and a MOTU 2408 w/ my = desktop. If you=20 are using a PC and have questions about either of these units, I will = be more=20 than happy to give you what info I can.
    =20 Marc ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2898F.26E7F6A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 17:51:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14223; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:49:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:49:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:48:34 EST Subject: The audience, and technology. To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thinking of the intelligence of the public. Many people in the audience know much that I will not know. We as musicians that use specialized technology to create our music, know things that most of them will never know, or care to know. After the fact, I always chuckle to myself when a listener has asked me a question like ..how did I get those sounds? I start to try to explain about Looping, Reaktor, Spektral Delay, CrusherX, Granular ReSynthesis, blah, blah, blah.... I find myself feeling like a complete nerd. Worse still the inquiring eyes have transformed into a blank stare. I laugh at myself for not having a clue as how to explain any of it to them. It's much easier when they point to one of my wind, or percussion instruments. Given that, how do we reach out to an audience that has enough problems understanding echoes and reverb, much less looping, etc.? From time to time there have been posts referring to the desire to expand the looping universe via a better educated/experienced audience. Simultaneously, the desire is expressed to bring more musicians into looping. Well, it's on us to develop a kind of interactive learning experience for them. I believe that good learning starts with play. After the holidays, at my next Art Gallery gig, I will start looping vocal sounds from audience members. I will try to engage the more playful people there to add to the loop. Maybe it will all be just silliness. Fortunately, the silliness can be transformed into the bizarre. Afterward, maybe I will get a little further in a conversation about it with one or two people. Marc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 18:10:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17155; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:10:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:10:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301c289d7$d3f7c6c0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: MIko and the like Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:12:36 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher White" To: Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 20:37:PM Subject: MIko and the like > you guys really need to calm down. my god! want him to > leave? you sound like my grandfather. Vote for everyone to calm the feck down seconded. S.P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 18:14:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17714; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:14:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:14:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00de01c289a5$85cd7940$0ff8c440@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: Subject: Re: Audience Perception Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:12:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "My point is that most folks don't have the tools to understand music the way almost all of us here do." ...or the knowledge. the things that make me smile/think/laugh about music are the subtle things... sometimes technical things...what i put into my music, well, i write things that interest me...like playing a phrase in 7/8 over a part in 5/8 and waiting to see what happens since it will start cycling. i just don't think that the majority of listeners will catch this stuff but it's really the meat and potatoes of what i try to do. of course, you can't explain every subtle nuance of a tune to everybody so that they'll hear it through your ears and i suppose that's the beauty: that two people can like the same thing and have totally opposing reasons for doing so. however, does knowing more about music make us capable of liking it more...as in: "i can like this music better than you can"? i assert that ignorance does limit appreciation...it's not as thorough and not as deep (in a quantitative way) and seems to be more of an aesthetic judgment (the ignorant can only say "does this please my ears?") rather than an honest appreciation and understanding. this all is not to say that my taste is of a greater value, because that's an inflation of the worth of somebody and i'm not going there. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 18:19:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18489; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:18:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:18:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f001c289a6$41105100$0ff8c440@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <124.19d5606f.2b0180ec@aol.com> Subject: Re: Collaboration in music Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:17:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00EB_01C289A6.3F678300" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00EB_01C289A6.3F678300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "musically intelligent" what does this mean? that they know what they like or that they know = why they like it? simply knowing what you like doesn't really = constitute much in my opinion. knowing why you like it displays at = least some concern. =20 -jim ------=_NextPart_000_00EB_01C289A6.3F678300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"musically=20 intelligent"
 
what does this = mean?  that=20 they know what they like or that they know why they like it?  = simply=20 knowing what you like doesn't really constitute much in my = opinion. =20 knowing why you like it displays at least some concern. =20
 
-jim
 ------=_NextPart_000_00EB_01C289A6.3F678300-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 18:20:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19005; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:20:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:20:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DD03C36.FF271FC0@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:24:38 -0600 From: Kirby Shelstad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIko and the like References: <005301c289d7$d3f7c6c0$0201a8c0@eluk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com how bout a day of silence? k "S.P. Goodman" wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christopher White" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 20:37:PM > Subject: MIko and the like > > > you guys really need to calm down. my god! want him to > > leave? you sound like my grandfather. > > Vote for everyone to calm the feck down seconded. > > S.P. Goodman > EarthLight Productions > * > http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations! > http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 18:24:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18486; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:18:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:18:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent: 11 Nov 2002 23:18:15 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "timothy crowe" Subject: Re: MIKO stuff X-Sent-From: seemso@directvinternet.com Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:18:14 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.1.0-7_sol28 Message-Id: <20021111151815.6600.h006.c007.wm@mail.directvinternet.com.criticalpath.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes. i love a self regulating system. this one included. it seems that almost always somepeople don't mind or even like emails from MIKOtypes. and since this is a universal forum then quite probably everyone's opinion is assymetrical with the next opinion. some people may look forward to reading rants. there have been ranters on this forum before that i read for a while. it's the connection to the topic of the forum that's the enjoyable part of deciphering and interpreting the rant. in this forum there is a sense of expressionistic angst as well as release. it's what helps create solutions to create to create solutions to. . . without gravity would we have jumped? > > Perhaps you don't get a lot of emails, and MIKOs don't > seem all that > much, but if you get a lot of email (and spam) you > start having really > bad "signal to noise ratio". This list is self > moderating. On any > other list, he'd be kicked off in a heartbeat. Since > Kim doesn't want > to be our baby-sitter (who can blame him?) we're left > to police > ourselves. The issue is, all the shit in the world is > going on because > people are not communicating. Having constant nonsense > put in your > inbox every day just adds to what you have to ignore. > If he really > wants to rant, he should post his musings on a web site > and have is URL > listed in the Loopers of the World profile page. This > way, if you feel > like reading is babble it's there for you, if not you > don't have 2 doz. > emails to delete out of your inbox every hour. There > are also good > journal pages for what he writes, such as > http://www.livejournal.com > > This is NOT the place for random off topic ranting. > Just think if > everyone started doing this, this list would begin to > suck. As right as > I consider myself, I know that IT IS NOT OK TO DO WHAT > EVER YOU WANT. > Discipline. Learn it. > > Mark > > timothy crowe wrote: > > > let him rant > > if you don't like it then > > don't read the mail and delete it. > > considering all of the shit going on in the world is > it > > really that bad. . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 18:39:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20518; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:39:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:39:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c28aa3$f8b4dc60$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: Subject: Re: Soundcards, was Re: Collaboration in music Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:33:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C28A7A.0FBD42A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C28A7A.0FBD42A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds like a good way to get robbed! Hehehe.......... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: MIKO=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:32 PM Subject: RE: Soundcards, was Re: Collaboration in music=20 Thanks. =20 Is there anyone in San Francisco who might let me me visit his/her = apartment to see the standard Echoplex setup since echoplex seems to be = the main device used? =20 Note that you might get some feedback while I'm there. (Whoever on = this list knows what that means- well, finally- the innuendo issue is = cleared up for you.) -----Original Message----- From: RandomLFO@aol.com [mailto:RandomLFO@aol.com] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 2:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Soundcards, was Re: Collaboration in music=20 In a message dated 11/11/2002 4:17:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, = m-i-k-o@attbi.com writes: Everyone replies to my OT posts but never to my "mic jack" or = "sound card" posts- LOL- yes, in the past I got pre-amp advice but I'm = hoping to hear about simply using a better sound card... I think that I deleted a fair number of soundcard posts since = they seemed to focus interfaces that I had no experience with. I did not = have anything valid to contribute, so I moved on. FWIW, I am using an = Echo Layla24 laptop, and a MOTU 2408 w/ my desktop. If you are using a = PC and have questions about either of these units, I will be more than = happy to give you what info I can. Marc=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C28A7A.0FBD42A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sounds like a good way to get = robbed!
 
Hehehe..........
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 MIKO
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig= ht.com=20
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 = 5:32=20 PM
Subject: RE: Soundcards, was = Re:=20 Collaboration in music

Thanks.
 
Is there anyone=20 in San Francisco who might let me me visit his/her apartment to see = the=20 standard Echoplex setup since echoplex seems to be the main device=20 used?
 
Note that you=20 might get some feedback while I'm there.  (Whoever on = this list knows=20 what that means- well, finally- the innuendo issue is cleared up for=20 you.)
-----Original Message-----
From: = RandomLFO@aol.com=20 [mailto:RandomLFO@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 = 2:08=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Soundcards, was Re: Collaboration in music =

In a message dated 11/11/2002 = 4:17:42 PM=20 Eastern Standard Time, m-i-k-o@attbi.com = writes:


 Everyone replies to my OT posts but never to my "mic = jack" or=20 "sound card" posts-  LOL- yes, in the past I got pre-amp = advice but=20 I'm hoping to hear about simply using a better sound=20 card...


     I think that I = deleted a=20 fair number of soundcard posts since they seemed to focus interfaces = that I=20 had no experience with. I did not have anything valid to contribute, = so I=20 moved on. FWIW, I am using an Echo Layla24 laptop, and a MOTU 2408 = w/ my=20 desktop. If you are using a PC and have questions about either of = these=20 units, I will be more than happy to give you what info I=20 can.
     Marc=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C28A7A.0FBD42A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 18:40:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20559; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:39:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:39:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DD03ED4.E1DBB45@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:35:48 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The audience, and technology. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interesting thread! RandomLFO@aol.com wrote: > Given that, how do we reach out to an audience that has enough problems > understanding echoes and reverb, much less looping, etc.? My suggestion: Play compelling, authoritative, expressive music. People don't need to know about minor pentatonic scales to enjoy B.B. King. They don't need to know about embrochure to appreciate Miles Davis. They don't need to understand beat-matching or turntable torque to dance to a DJ all night long. They don't need to know about 7-string guitars to buy a Korn record. If you really want to reach out to people beyond the techno-savvy musician crowd, then make sure the music is using technology as a means to an end - a strong musical statement - and isn't the whole end in itself. Amy Neuberg and John Whooley didn't bring the house down at the Santa Cruz Looping Festival in July because they had particularly fancy gear, or because they lectured the audience on what they were doing. They got strong reactions because they're dynamic, compelling, engaging performers. Steve Lawson isn't opening for Level 42 right now because Mark King was looking for a bass looper; he's opening for them because he's bloody good at playing cool music (which happens to be loop-based), and bringing the audience into the performance through his musicality and his highly entertaining demeanor. The very favorable comments currently being posted on his guestbook on an almost nightly basis from Level 42 fans underscore this fact. For myself, the best gigs I've played - both in terms of sheer music, and in terms of the strength of the audience reaction - have been in rock clubs or coffee shops, largely to audiences who had no idea who I was ahead of time, and certainly no particular grounding in music technology. My guitar teacher had a great line about this kind of concept: "If a musician knows what they're doing, and where they're going, then they can play the most flipped-out thing, and the audience can go with them. But if the musician doesn't know where they're going, how is anyone else going to follow along?" Meanwhile, I need to get back to making a freaky-funk dance album... Woo-hah, --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 18:48:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21192; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:42:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:42:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <116.1a4d715f.2b0199d4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:40:04 EST Subject: Loop Rig FS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, taptalk@yahoogroups.com, philly_ambient@phobos.serve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 11 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Complete Looping Rig consisting of: 1 - Electrix Repeater (1.1) w/ 128MB Simpletech CFC card 1 - Mackie 1202VLZ Mixer 1 - Alesis Quadraverb 2 All racked up (no patch cords - run your signal chain as you see fit) in an SKB 12 space Rack Case. $1000 + shipping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 18:48:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21855; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:47:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:47:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:50:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: repeater memory From: mr monk To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <4D69A9FD-F5D0-11D6-8274-000393073870@fuse.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ahem... is anyone making long stereo loops with the repeater? if so, which cfc cards are you finding to be the most reliable? and where did you purchase them? thanks monk monk@fuse.net http://www.monkmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 18:51:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21573; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:46:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:46:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <15e.16e35dbb.2b019b15@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:45:25 EST Subject: Guitar FS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, taptalk@yahoogroups.com, philly_ambient@phobos.serve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 11 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Having to part with some guitars/equipment. Thought I'd post to the list first before going the ebay route. First up is a 2001 Rick Turner RN6-H (http://www.renaissanceguitars.com/rn6.html). Guitar is in mint condition w/ under 20 hrs. at home playing time on it. Here's a description: This guitar was made by Rick Turner of The Renaissance Guitar Company, Santa Cruz, CA, and is part of his Ampli-Coustic line. (Turner is known for creating the Model 1 guitar, used by Lindsey Buckingham of Fleetwood Mac.) Turner's Ampli-Coustic guitars were designed to reproduce full-frequency acoustic tone in electronic recording and performance settings. The thinline body is built like an acoustic guitar, but with an added mahogany center block to cut feedback. A Turner piezo bridge pickup feeds full-spectrum signals to an onboard 18-volt Highlander pre-amp. The pre-amp uses 2 9-volt batteries that are easily accessible. Additional features include: - Elegant asymmetric shape that is light and well balanced - Excellent craftsmanship for appearance, design, playability, and sound - Rich amplified acoustic tone without feedback - Honduras mahogany neck with hand-rubbed oil finish - 24 -fret gently arched rosewood fingerboard - Cedar top with clear poly finish, .008" film thickness - Back and sides are walnut with oil-modified urethane - Full faux tortoise binding - New Zealand Paua shell side fret markers - Slotted headstock, with faux tortoise headstock trim - Dual-action truss rod - 25 1/2" and 1 13/16" nut width - Turner-designed piezo bridge pickup with 18-volt Highlander pre-amp - Low noise volume and tone controls Contact off list. - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 18:56:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22749; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:55:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:55:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021111235531.6307.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:55:31 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: a gear head question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can do long stereo loops on my Repeater with two of the three SimpleTech cards I have (one is the 16MB card they included with it, the other a 128MB purchased at Sam's Club). I also have another 128MB SimpleTech that gives me Slow CFC errors when I use it in stereo. Someone on the Repeater Users (YahooGroups) forum posted that SimpleTech will replace their cards that won't perform in the Repeater. My problem was that I had the thing loaded up with a bunch of stuff I liked before I discovered the issue and hate to mess with it just for that. Greg --- mr monk wrote: > oops....... using the repeater... > > that is... > > > > On Monday, November 11, 2002, at 03:51 PM, mr monk wrote: > > > yall got to much time on your collective hands.. > > > > > > anyway... has anyone done long stereo loops with consistent success? > > if so, what card are you folks using? > > > > > > > > On Monday, November 11, 2002, at 03:25 PM, MIKO wrote: > > > >> I am no Miko Biffle but am no moron either. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Bret [mailto:echoplex@yahoo.com] > >> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 10:59 AM > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: RE: Freedom from MIKO > >> > >> > >> No, I strongly doubt that. Check Miko's mp3 sight, and read miko > >> biffles bio on loopers delight. Different email addresses, different > >> instruments, different influences, different tools, seems to be 2 > >> distinct individuals. There is more than one person name 'Miko'. > >> bret > >> > > > > > monk@fuse.net > > http://www.monkmusic.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 19:10:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24923; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:10:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:10:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20021111180917.00845820@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:09:17 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Audience Perception In-Reply-To: <00de01c289a5$85cd7940$0ff8c440@g0wn7> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think it's difficult to speak for the consciousness of another person. And, silly. M.. At 05:12 PM 11/11/02 -0000, you wrote: >"My point is that most folks don't have the tools to understand music the >way almost all of us here do." > >...or the knowledge. the things that make me smile/think/laugh about music >are the subtle things... sometimes technical things...what i put into my >music, well, i write things that interest me...like playing a phrase in 7/8 >over a part in 5/8 and waiting to see what happens since it will start >cycling. i just don't think that the majority of listeners will catch this >stuff but it's really the meat and potatoes of what i try to do. of course, >you can't explain every subtle nuance of a tune to everybody so that they'll >hear it through your ears and i suppose that's the beauty: that two people >can like the same thing and have totally opposing reasons for doing so. > >however, does knowing more about music make us capable of liking it >more...as in: "i can like this music better than you can"? i assert that >ignorance does limit appreciation...it's not as thorough and not as deep (in >a quantitative way) and seems to be more of an aesthetic judgment (the >ignorant can only say "does this please my ears?") rather than an honest >appreciation and understanding. this all is not to say that my taste is of >a greater value, because that's an inflation of the worth of somebody and >i'm not going there. > >-jim > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 19:13:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25321; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:13:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:13:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:15:30 -0500 Subject: Re: a gear head question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) From: mr monk To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20021111235531.6307.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: <6ustwD.A.BLG.FeE09@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, November 11, 2002, at 06:55 PM, Greg House wrote: > the other a 128MB purchased > at Sam's Club). I also have another 128MB SimpleTech that gives me > Slow CFC > errors when I use it in stereo. that's the problem i was having and electrix (at the time) told me that they didn't really support the 128 meg simpletech card...sigh... monk@fuse.net http://www.monkmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 19:14:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25633; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:13:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:13:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: <182.11b028cc.2b01a191@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:13:05 EST Subject: Re: Collaboration in music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_182.11b028cc.2b01a191_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_182.11b028cc.2b01a191_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/11/2002 6:18:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, jimfowler@prodigy.net writes: > "musically intelligent" > > what does this mean? that they know what they like or that they know why > they like it? simply knowing what you like doesn't really constitute much > in my opinion. knowing why you like it displays at least some concern. > > -jim > I think that there is merit in the simple fact of knowing whether you like something or not. "Musically Intelligent" may not be the best label for it. But due to the fact that it does take basic intelligence to make a decision, it seems to serve the purpose for the layperson. We are passionate about our music, but the audience will never have that same passion. That's why they are the audience. However, if they react passionately to our music, that is good! I think that we will always have to accept the fact that a large portion of our audiences will not have the time or patience to investigate it further. They hear something, make a quick decision, maybe they stay for a while. I started to write more, but it was goobledygook. In short, we as non-commercial radio based musicians, won't draw anymore of audience to us by looking down on them. This, I think is very important. Marc --part1_182.11b028cc.2b01a191_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/11/2002 6:18:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, jimfowler@prodigy.net writes:


"musically intelligent"

what does this mean?  that they know what they like or that they know why they like it?  simply knowing what you like doesn't really constitute much in my opinion.  knowing why you like it displays at least some concern. 

-jim


     I think that there is merit in the simple fact of knowing whether you like something or not. "Musically Intelligent" may not be the best label for it. But due to the fact that it does take basic intelligence to make a decision, it seems to serve the purpose for the layperson. We are passionate about our music, but the audience will never have that same passion. That's why they are the audience. However, if they react passionately to our music, that is good! I think that we will always have to accept the fact that a large portion of our audiences will not have the time or patience to investigate it further. They hear something, make a quick decision, maybe they stay for a while.
     I started to write more, but it was goobledygook. In short, we as non-commercial radio based musicians, won't draw anymore of audience to us by looking down on them. This, I think is very important.
     Marc  --part1_182.11b028cc.2b01a191_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 19:19:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25647; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:14:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:14:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: mahijiru.cspc.us: www-data set sender to erwill@suitandtieguy.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: WAY OT: Re: MIKO, please leave this list Message-ID: <1037060029.3dd047bd16385@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:13:49 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Williamson References: <20021111192015.50706.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20021111192015.50706.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.178.190 Resent-Message-ID: <077oyB.A.ZPG.-eE09@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting S V G : > Please leave this list. i don't read what i'm not interested in. however, asking someone to leave the looper's delight list is just plain rude. if you don't like his words, don't read them. it's kim's list and if kim hasn't suspended him yet, i don't think it's anyone's business. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 19:31:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27575; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:28:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:28:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: MIko and the like Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:27:27 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3DD03C36.FF271FC0@mindspring.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd love one. I thought the echoplexers wore going to help us get there using volume controls on the Repeater. -----Original Message----- From: Kirby Shelstad [mailto:kirbyshelstad@mindspring.com] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 3:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIko and the like how bout a day of silence? k "S.P. Goodman" wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christopher White" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 20:37:PM > Subject: MIko and the like > > > you guys really need to calm down. my god! want him to > > leave? you sound like my grandfather. > > Vote for everyone to calm the feck down seconded. > > S.P. Goodman > EarthLight Productions > * > http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations! > http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 19:38:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28550; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:34:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:34:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021112003354.70575.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:33:54 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Miko, Please leave this list To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200211120010.TAA24988@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since I receive this LD mailing in digest form, I have no way of deleting an irrelevant poster from my mailbox other than switching to individual email delivery or unsubscribing. Of the hundreds of emails that Miko has posted since he or she joined, not one of them is about looping nor does his/her music contain any looping content that I can perceive. Miko's self description of his/her writing is "ego masturbation". The question is, how much of this stuff do we put up with before taking some sort of action? Two people to my knowledge have unsubscribed so far specifically because of Miko. I am here to talk about the craft of Looping and related items. I'd like to get on with it without a lot of crap cluttering up my mailbox. I said it earlier and I'll say it again. If Miko isn't gone soon, I will be. I apologize if this post offends anyone. SVG __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 19:40:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27390; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:27:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:27:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: Musical Intelligence of the masses Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:26:23 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01C2899F.131D7C20" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <00f001c289a6$41105100$0ff8c440@g0wn7> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C2899F.131D7C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like the music I choose because: a: in its timing- relative to its "arrival" in my life- regardless of when it might have been recorded- chronology doesn't matter in the hands of Fate and b: in its narrative, it is part of the prophecy foretelling the coming changes in the world as foretold by the musical prophets of rock- metaphorically- but not too indirectly. My choices are careful. All good musicians are visionaries, but my personally favorite visionaries are: Bob Marley, Cat Stevens, Sting, David Bowie, the Who, Pink Floyd, Eminem, TLC, Tina Turner, Pat Benatar, Boy George, George Michael, Kenny Rogers (believe it or not- on later albums- particularly "If I was A Painting"), Johnny Cash of course- Madonna these days, Paulina Rubio, and Enrique Iglesias. I'll tell you which songs and why if you want to know. But DARE you judge the musical choices of others? If I knew even less than I know now about music- I might still express my intelligence in a conscious or (as with relatives of mine I think) subconscious psychic attraction to the lingering aftertaste of songs with future realities defined in their prophetic words. I challenge any one task me to read the lyrics of a song, or an whole album, like a palm or Tarot card, and tell you what it means and what it foretells. I challenge you. I can absolutely do it. And with a great deal of confidence also. And you don't have to like the songs either. I could also point out when the songs speak nothing of the future, but this would only be me speaking of my own ignorance, probably- or stories that have been avoided or for which no hints have yet been dropped- but this is an unlikely scenario anyway. But I will tell you this. I have had to live the narrative in some of my own songs, and when I wrote some of them- the narrative was not LITERALLY true. I won't go into it (you might want to listen to "Build a World" and "Throw the Baby Out" again.... LOL)- but I take no credit for the higher meaning... Musicians - in fact most artists- don't know or see even their own prophetic statements until they have undergone spiritual evolution of consciousness (the s.. and e... might need to be reversed)- and in fact many of you right now don't get my "innuendo" comments unless you are "one of us" - who are not a happy lot nor a better lot- just people with bigger headaches than before that now we must call a world wwhere we are puppets. i'd even go so far as to say that there is no artistic genius that exists other that as a love relationship with fate where fate grants you gifts now and thenin appreciation of how well ou have played with it... and there's nothing for which any true artist- having been rebirthed with the premonition of his or her onwn canonization somewhere- can feel him or herself able to truly take credit- it's dangerous to credit yourself as a music relative to a world that seems unaware of music- I know NO ONE, truly, who listens to NO music- I'lol die the day I meet such a person I think. We are part musical, all of us. That's one of the angelic "hereditary traits" that make us not so much animals as different and gloriously strange "piece of work"- as Shakespeare would say. Yes I'm crazy. Yes this has nothing to do with looping. Yes this has no place on this mailing list. Yes, I'm an egomaniac. WRONG on all counts. LISTEN CAREFULLY. I AM NOT MAKING MISTAKES WHEN I TUNE INTO A CHANNEL - A RADIO STATION FROM THE FUTURE- I CALL "Looking Backwards"... The speaks Keith-"Delete-Me"-Urbaine" MIKO From: jimfowler [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 9:18 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Collaboration in music "musically intelligent" what does this mean? that they know what they like or that they know why they like it? simply knowing what you like doesn't really constitute much in my opinion. knowing why you like it displays at least some concern. -jim ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C2899F.131D7C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I = like the music=20 I choose because:
 
    a:  in its timing- relative to its = "arrival" in=20 my life- regardless of when it might have been recorded- chronology = doesn't=20 matter in the hands of Fate
    and
    b:  in its narrative, it is part of the = prophecy=20 foretelling the coming changes in the world as foretold by the musical = prophets=20 of rock- metaphorically- but not too indirectly.  My choices are=20 careful.
 
All = good=20 musicians are visionaries, but my personally favorite visionaries = are:  Bob=20 Marley, Cat Stevens, Sting, David Bowie, the Who, Pink Floyd, Eminem, = TLC, Tina=20 Turner, Pat Benatar, Boy George, George Michael, Kenny Rogers = (believe it=20 or not- on later albums- particularly "If I was A Painting"), Johnny = Cash of=20 course- Madonna these days, Paulina Rubio, and Enrique Iglesias.  = I'll tell=20 you which songs and why if you want to know.
 
But = DARE you=20 judge the musical choices of others?  If I knew even less than I = know now=20 about music- I might still express my intelligence in a conscious or (as = with=20 relatives of mine I think) subconscious psychic attraction to the = lingering=20 aftertaste of songs with future realities defined in their prophetic=20 words.
 
I = challenge any=20 one task me to read the lyrics of a song, or an whole album, like a palm = or=20 Tarot card, and tell you what it means and what it = foretells.   I=20 challenge you.  I can absolutely do it.  And with a great deal = of=20 confidence also.  And you don't have to like the songs=20 either.
 
I could also=20 point out when the songs speak nothing of the future, but this would = only be me=20 speaking of my own ignorance, probably- or stories that have been = avoided or for=20 which no hints have yet been dropped- but this is an unlikely scenario=20 anyway.
 
But = I will tell=20 you this.  I have had to live the narrative in some of my own = songs, and=20 when I wrote some of them- the narrative was not LITERALLY true.  I = won't=20 go into it (you might want to listen to "Build a World" and "Throw the = Baby Out"=20 again.... LOL)- but I take no credit for the higher=20 meaning...
 
Musicians - in=20 fact most artists- don't know or see even their own prophetic statements = until=20 they have undergone spiritual evolution of consciousness (the s.. and = e... might=20 need to be reversed)- and in fact many of you right now don't get my = "innuendo"=20 comments unless you are "one of us" - who are not a happy lot nor a = better lot-=20 just people with bigger headaches than before that now we must call a = world=20 wwhere we are puppets.
 
i'd = even go so=20 far as to say that there is no artistic genius that exists other that as = a love=20 relationship with fate where fate grants you gifts now and thenin = appreciation=20 of how well ou have played with it... and there's nothing for which any = true=20 artist- having been rebirthed with the premonition of his or her onwn=20 canonization somewhere- can feel him or herself able to truly take = credit- it's=20 dangerous to credit yourself as a music relative to a world that seems = unaware=20 of music- I know NO ONE, truly, who listens to NO music- I'lol die the = day I=20 meet such a person I think. We are part musical, all of us.  That's = one of=20 the angelic "hereditary traits" that make us not so much animals as = different=20 and gloriously strange "piece of work"- as Shakespeare would=20 say.
 
Yes = I'm=20 crazy.  Yes this has nothing to do with looping.  Yes this has = no=20 place on this mailing list.  Yes, I'm an egomaniac.  WRONG on = all=20 counts.
 
LISTEN=20 CAREFULLY.  I AM NOT MAKING MISTAKES WHEN I TUNE INTO A CHANNEL - A = RADIO=20 STATION FROM THE FUTURE- I CALL "Looking = Backwards"...
 
The = speaks=20 Keith-"Delete-Me"-Urbaine" MIKO

From: jimfowler=20 [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 = 9:18=20 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: = Re:=20 Collaboration in music

"musically=20 intelligent"
 
what does this = mean?  that=20 they know what they like or that they know why they like it?  = simply=20 knowing what you like doesn't really constitute much in my = opinion. =20 knowing why you like it displays at least some concern.  =
 
-jim
 ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C2899F.131D7C20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 19:41:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29091; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:38:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:38:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Audience Perception Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:37:10 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20021111180917.00845820@mail.airmail.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You're an era late with that remark, Mark. Some of consciousness is more collective than it used to be. But having said that- I merely am acting again as a sarcastic devil's advocate- because really- I agree completely- especially when one considers the impact of MTV and cable television- and then the Internet- as the accelerators of global culture so that the final integration of the experience of the peoples of foreign lands is one that happens SO fast now that there's less history in the way to hide and/or kill the memory of a society's uniqueness- thus the diversity of culture is thrust upon every community of the world with a density never before seen and this has lead to the post-post-modern proactively-demarginalizing, self-defining mixed-ethnicity, often physically well-traveled but always informationally well-traveled youth of today who are born, I believe, because I'm an optimist, even if growing old, each now with a silver spoon of self-discovery in their mouths. For some the spoon is dirty or comes with no food- but the Hundredth Monkey and morphic resonance is the sugar being put in the spoon for any and every- at some point- to help this overwhelming medicine of the "new experience" to go down. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Clark [mailto:mcl451@airmail.net] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 4:09 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Audience Perception I think it's difficult to speak for the consciousness of another person. And, silly. M.. At 05:12 PM 11/11/02 -0000, you wrote: >"My point is that most folks don't have the tools to understand music the >way almost all of us here do." > >...or the knowledge. the things that make me smile/think/laugh about music >are the subtle things... sometimes technical things...what i put into my >music, well, i write things that interest me...like playing a phrase in 7/8 >over a part in 5/8 and waiting to see what happens since it will start >cycling. i just don't think that the majority of listeners will catch this >stuff but it's really the meat and potatoes of what i try to do. of course, >you can't explain every subtle nuance of a tune to everybody so that they'll >hear it through your ears and i suppose that's the beauty: that two people >can like the same thing and have totally opposing reasons for doing so. > >however, does knowing more about music make us capable of liking it >more...as in: "i can like this music better than you can"? i assert that >ignorance does limit appreciation...it's not as thorough and not as deep (in >a quantitative way) and seems to be more of an aesthetic judgment (the >ignorant can only say "does this please my ears?") rather than an honest >appreciation and understanding. this all is not to say that my taste is of >a greater value, because that's an inflation of the worth of somebody and >i'm not going there. > >-jim > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 19:56:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30918; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:54:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:54:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021112005336.8096.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:53:36 -0800 (PST) From: charlotte moorman Subject: you're no longer boring! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <7AA26C.A.MiH.vEF09@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks for all the info on the bay area loopathons. re: my own participation, i don't think i'm strong enough technique-wise to play out of my studio live, yet- i'm working towards my own vcabulary using voice samples with keybd instrumental music and sampled sound effects, and i believe in the direction, but it's still developing. i really don't want to show up at a festival and encounter the "oh, that's nice, needs work though" thing, i want to try and blow minds! or at least make people go "huh?!?" i did have one "pro" gig, i provided background loop stuff for a porn tape! i met a guy from new york who has a porn company at a krimson gig in SF, and he invited me to send some stuff. he was also a composer (big band/orchestral) and he ended up using my stuff in a scene, contract, paid me, etc. so maybe that's one direction for us all to go! haha also, i think that miko is probably really smart (like most of you) and probably lonely in a way that a lot of smart people in smaller communities are (i'm assuming), which is a rare, valuable and grace-given commodity in this hellish, selfish corporate nightmare culture. so i try to just skim his multiple posts, but i would never ask him to leave, that's like telling a cousin at the dinner table to go sit out in the snow overnight just because he talks about his homeroom teacher all the time. we're FAMILY, after all! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 20:03:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00798; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:02:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:02:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Miko, Please leave this list Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:01:27 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20021112003354.70575.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SVG you're a monster. Do I need to present, here and now, my treatise on Looping? -----Original Message----- From: S V G [mailto:vsyevolod@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 4:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Miko, Please leave this list Since I receive this LD mailing in digest form, I have no way of deleting an irrelevant poster from my mailbox other than switching to individual email delivery or unsubscribing. Of the hundreds of emails that Miko has posted since he or she joined, not one of them is about looping nor does his/her music contain any looping content that I can perceive. Miko's self description of his/her writing is "ego masturbation". The question is, how much of this stuff do we put up with before taking some sort of action? Two people to my knowledge have unsubscribed so far specifically because of Miko. I am here to talk about the craft of Looping and related items. I'd like to get on with it without a lot of crap cluttering up my mailbox. I said it earlier and I'll say it again. If Miko isn't gone soon, I will be. I apologize if this post offends anyone. SVG __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 20:30:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03066; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:24:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:24:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: you're no longer boring! Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:23:38 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20021112005336.8096.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Charlotte- thanks for reminding everyone why I started this flame war in the first place. Thank you Charlotte. My homeroom teacher was- well- you know it's funny- I remember only one homeroom teacher- for all of my years of elementary and high school. Mrs. Louvenia Bright. You will find this perhaps ironic- but she was a very quiet person in many ways and she also taught typing- a course I never took. She intrigued me in many ways because she seemed to live her days in the endless loop of moods clearly defined for specific times of the day. She was clear not a spirit introduced to improvisational loop remixing - moreover she'd had to live with the daily agony of the typewriter- a looping device that creates loops so complex that- well - they drive people loopy. It's bad enough that O is just below 0 (zero) and you can often not tell the two apart! But then, the antimusical cruelty of the designers who- I understand- created a design that, though workable, slowed a secretary's fingers enough to avoid problems with old keyboard with the forward jumping keys that would jam if you typed too fast. Thank goodness for this era where letters appear without any major jumping of metal and possible collision on hand edge with a cold branding of ink- rather- we have marvelous features that promote the pure looping of text- we have the repeat function of electronic keyboards- no more constant key pressing for words like "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah...." or "GRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr..." - the lovely letter repeater function! And we also now have the wonderful automatic repeating of the paste function, so that we can write childish things like "SVG's loops are rusty on principle." "SVG's loops are rusty on principle." "SVG's loops are rusty on principle." "SVG's loops are rusty on principle." "SVG's loops are rusty on principle." "SVG's loops are rusty on principle." "SVG's loops are rusty on principle." "SVG's loops are rusty on principle." "SVG's loops are rusty on principle." "SVG's loops are rusty on principle." "SVG's loops are rusty on principle." "SVG's loops are rusty on principle." "SVG's loops are rusty on principle." "SVG's loops are rusty on principle." "SVG's loops are rusty on principle." "SVG's loops are rusty on principle." "SVG's loops are rusty on principle." "SVG's loops are rusty on principle." "SVG's loops are rusty on principle." "SVG's loops are rusty on principle." "SVG's loops are rusty on principle." "SVG's loops are rusty on principle." "SVG's loops are rusty on principle." "SVG's loops are rusty on principle." "SVG's loops are rusty on principle." "SVG's loops are rusty on principle." "SVG's loops are rusty on principle." "SVG's loops are rusty on principle." "SVG's loops are rusty on principle." "SVG's loops are rusty on principle." "SVG's loops are rusty on principle." See how that works? Cool, huh? well, anyway- I always worried about Mrs. Bright. She seemed to think a lot. Worry a lot also. But somethnig about typewriters at the time- and theri limitations- saved her- I think. :) Regards, MIKO -----Original Message----- From: charlotte moorman [mailto:swingsetc_70@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 4:54 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: you're no longer boring! thanks for all the info on the bay area loopathons. re: my own participation, i don't think i'm strong enough technique-wise to play out of my studio live, yet- i'm working towards my own vcabulary using voice samples with keybd instrumental music and sampled sound effects, and i believe in the direction, but it's still developing. i really don't want to show up at a festival and encounter the "oh, that's nice, needs work though" thing, i want to try and blow minds! or at least make people go "huh?!?" i did have one "pro" gig, i provided background loop stuff for a porn tape! i met a guy from new york who has a porn company at a krimson gig in SF, and he invited me to send some stuff. he was also a composer (big band/orchestral) and he ended up using my stuff in a scene, contract, paid me, etc. so maybe that's one direction for us all to go! haha also, i think that miko is probably really smart (like most of you) and probably lonely in a way that a lot of smart people in smaller communities are (i'm assuming), which is a rare, valuable and grace-given commodity in this hellish, selfish corporate nightmare culture. so i try to just skim his multiple posts, but i would never ask him to leave, that's like telling a cousin at the dinner table to go sit out in the snow overnight just because he talks about his homeroom teacher all the time. we're FAMILY, after all! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 20:38:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04851; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:37:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:37:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021112013721.7197.qmail@web80104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:37:21 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: Audience Perception To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20021111180917.00845820@mail.airmail.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-783127099-1037065041=:6941" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-783127099-1037065041=:6941 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "I think it's difficult to speak for the consciousness of another person. And, silly." so you speak for your own. i can't tell if that's a subtle insult or just a non-answer. -jim --0-783127099-1037065041=:6941 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

"I think it's difficult to speak for the consciousness of another person.  And, silly."

so you speak for your own.  i can't tell if that's a subtle insult or just a non-answer.

-jim

--0-783127099-1037065041=:6941-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 20:44:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05600; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:43:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:43:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: you're no longer boring! Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:42:40 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20021112005336.8096.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <4sZlmD.A.6WB.EzF09@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com By the way, a good witch weaves a good web. SVG, and those others- hve you not noticing the inherent looping structure of the cooments about how I should leave the list? It's so relentlessly repretitive in its incisiveness- it might actually be interesting- but it bores me. Anger and failure to accept are useless when, as they say- there's a delete key- maybe it's a red glowing button and that's what scares you. Or maybe as in the new movie, The Secret Lives of Dentists" with Campbell Scott from Mamet's marvelous and aggravating "The Spanish Prisoner," you enjoy characters so annoying that they intrigue. Maybe i'm just the local Betelguese. Or maybe i'm here to tell you that the in the fulfillment of the yin is the seed of the yang, and thus closes the loopish circle of universe seen for its dualistic nature. BEAT SILENCE BEAT SILENCE BEAT SILENCE BEAT SILENCE. SAY REACT SAY REACT SAY REACT SAY REACT. "I WILL TURN YOU FLESH TO ALABASTER WHEN YOU FIND YOUR SERVANT IS YOUR MASTER." (just kidding) -----Original Message----- From: charlotte moorman [mailto:swingsetc_70@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 4:54 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: you're no longer boring! thanks for all the info on the bay area loopathons. re: my own participation, i don't think i'm strong enough technique-wise to play out of my studio live, yet- i'm working towards my own vcabulary using voice samples with keybd instrumental music and sampled sound effects, and i believe in the direction, but it's still developing. i really don't want to show up at a festival and encounter the "oh, that's nice, needs work though" thing, i want to try and blow minds! or at least make people go "huh?!?" i did have one "pro" gig, i provided background loop stuff for a porn tape! i met a guy from new york who has a porn company at a krimson gig in SF, and he invited me to send some stuff. he was also a composer (big band/orchestral) and he ended up using my stuff in a scene, contract, paid me, etc. so maybe that's one direction for us all to go! haha also, i think that miko is probably really smart (like most of you) and probably lonely in a way that a lot of smart people in smaller communities are (i'm assuming), which is a rare, valuable and grace-given commodity in this hellish, selfish corporate nightmare culture. so i try to just skim his multiple posts, but i would never ask him to leave, that's like telling a cousin at the dinner table to go sit out in the snow overnight just because he talks about his homeroom teacher all the time. we're FAMILY, after all! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 20:47:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06164; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:47:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:47:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Audience Perception Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:46:10 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0038_01C289AA.385056B0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20021112013721.7197.qmail@web80104.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C289AA.385056B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Let's get Unconscious baby. Let's Get Unconscious." -----Original Message----- From: JAMES FOWLER, III [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:37 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Audience Perception "I think it's difficult to speak for the consciousness of another person. And, silly." so you speak for your own. i can't tell if that's a subtle insult or just a non-answer. -jim ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C289AA.385056B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"Let's get=20 Unconscious baby.  Let's Get Unconscious."
-----Original Message-----
From: JAMES FOWLER, III=20 [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net]
Sent: Monday, November 11, = 2002 5:37=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 Audience Perception

"I think it's difficult to speak for the consciousness of another=20 person.  And, silly."

so you speak for your own.  i can't tell if that's a subtle = insult or=20 just a non-answer.

-jim

------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C289AA.385056B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 21:30:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11521; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:26:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:26:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DD05896.B16C4F25@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:25:43 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Miko, Please leave this list References: <20021112003354.70575.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I applaud you for speaking your mind and not scumbing to political correctness. This is a community and it should have the means to protect itself. The web has millions of outlets for "ego masturbation." LD isn't one of them (usually!) and shouldn't become one. I HATE the "It's all good" bullshit. It's not all good. Some things are bad. This is a forum for a specific topic. OK, it's a broad based topic, but a topic none the less. If each of us wrote a dozen emails about whatever came into their mind, what would this list be? It is not rude to ask Miko to leave. He can't control himself (obviously). It would be like saying, "You can't through Mark out of the movie theatre for BBQing. He was hungry. It's a free country!" Movie theatres are *bad* places to roast up a good hamburger. LD is a bad place to stroke your ego. I hate fucking liberals that think everyone should be allowed to do everything until everything turns into weak piss water. Have a backbone. If you like Miko's posts, say so, but don't say, "Sure he's rude and idiotic, but that's not reason to make him leave." That is stupid. Please Miko, if you can not control yourself, go elsewhere. Start a religion, that should work fine for you, and give you a tax break too. I'm sorry about your mental illness' but I've got a bunch of issues of my own to deal with. Sorry. No time. Mark S V G wrote: > Since I receive this LD mailing in digest form, I have no way of deleting an irrelevant > poster from my mailbox other than switching to individual email delivery or unsubscribing. > > Of the hundreds of emails that Miko has posted since he or she joined, not one of them is > about looping nor does his/her music contain any looping content that I can perceive. > > Miko's self description of his/her writing is "ego masturbation". > > The question is, how much of this stuff do we put up with before taking some sort of action? > Two people to my knowledge have unsubscribed so far specifically because of Miko. > > I am here to talk about the craft of Looping and related items. I'd like to get on with it > without a lot of crap cluttering up my mailbox. I said it earlier and I'll say it again. If Miko > isn't gone soon, I will be. > > I apologize if this post offends anyone. > > SVG > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos > http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 22:25:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20886; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:25:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:25:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:24:42 EST Subject: Re: The audience, and technology. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d0.2fc30f43.2b01ce7a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_d0.2fc30f43.2b01ce7a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Andre. At first I thought that I would reply... "well actually I was talking about..." Then I thought, Oh my God!, What am I doing? I laughed at myself once again. Thanks Andre that is probably the best response I could have gotten. Now it's time to focus on music! This is an enjoyable list to be subscribed to! However, I seem to be spending even more very important time writing or responding to email on this, and several other lists. For now, I will regain some of my focus by simply limiting the time that I am spending writing email. Unfortunately for me, this means that I will unsubscribe for now. I will resubscribe after the holidays (and closer to NAMM) to hear what the buzz is. Thanks to all for breathing life into LoopersDelight! Take care, Marc In a message dated 11/11/2002 6:40:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, altruist@earthlink.net writes: > Interesting thread! > > RandomLFO@aol.com wrote: > > > Given that, how do we reach out to an audience that has enough > problems > > understanding echoes and reverb, much less looping, etc.? > > My suggestion: > > Play compelling, authoritative, expressive music. > > The rest of Andre's message was very good too. Just to save space, I didn't copy all of it into this email. --part1_d0.2fc30f43.2b01ce7a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      Hi Andre. At first I thought that I would reply... "well actually I was talking about..."
Then I thought, Oh my God!, What am I doing? I laughed at myself once again. Thanks Andre that is probably the best response I could have gotten. Now it's time to focus on music!
     This is an enjoyable list to be subscribed to! However, I seem to be spending even more very important time writing or responding to email on this, and several other lists. For now, I will regain some of my focus by simply limiting the time that I am spending writing email. Unfortunately for me, this means that I will unsubscribe for now. I will resubscribe after the holidays (and closer to NAMM) to hear what the buzz is. Thanks to all for breathing life into LoopersDelight!
     Take care, Marc

In a message dated 11/11/2002 6:40:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, altruist@earthlink.net writes:


Interesting thread!

RandomLFO@aol.com wrote:

>      Given that, how do we reach out to an audience that has enough problems
> understanding echoes and reverb, much less looping, etc.?

My suggestion:

Play compelling, authoritative, expressive music.

The rest of Andre's message was very good too. Just to save space, I didn't copy all of it into this email.

 

--part1_d0.2fc30f43.2b01ce7a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 22:26:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21054; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:26:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:26:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004d01c28845$7fb58a40$8ea45e82@audiows> References: <90.2ebbc6a5.2afdf2dd@aol.com> <004d01c28845$7fb58a40$8ea45e82@audiows> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:25:50 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: playing loops or let the looper play? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > is it really the same feeling? > >You refer to practicing, practicing vs. improvising...? nono! manual vs. electronic repetition! (seems I did not word that subject well) >I suppose not the same feelings (but, is any loop the same as another...?). say you put the same loop you play into the looper and then just listen to it, maybe while playing something to it... how different is the "trance"? >What I cited was the repetition (practice) of written music, and that's >gotta be a whole controversy about the "art" involved in re-creating vs. >improvising !! > >I spend a lot of time ||: over and :|| to be able to let some wonderful >successions of notes flow through me, and I ALSO thoroughly enjoy crossing >over to the "tools of the (looping) trade" to make some very Unpredictable >sounds! My boat floateth in different waters...my oars dippeth in some rare >liquids, indeed! and you do not use the tools for predictable sounds? > >David A. > > ============ >> >>I practice little segments >> >> >> >>||: over and over :|| >> >> >> >> :-) rather: ||: over and :|| >> >> > >> >i enjoy doing this also, its like you are being the "looper" playing >> >to a "loop".....michael >> >> is it really the same feeling? >> >> I have a really hard time to do this. Until a few years ago, I >> completely rejected it. So therefore my thurst for the loop tool. >> Then I became curious about playing looping and realized I can pretty >> easily repeat something a few times, but then automatically a >> variation drops in. Why is that? >> If the brain is able to repeat (since it does it a few times) and I >> ask it to continue, why does some other part of me interfere? >> Now that I am getting better at it, I still dont feel the same as >> with a looping tool, there is a lack of freedom to really dive into >> it... >> -- >> >> >> ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org >> >> -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 22:26:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21121; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:26:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:26:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20021111011707.00858640@pop.earthlink.net> References: <90.2ebbc6a5.2afdf2dd@aol.com> <3.0.5.32.20021111011707.00858640@pop.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:26:16 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: playing loops or let the looper play? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <9a_UPC.A.YJF.WTH09@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > It was said, is it really the same feeling? >> >>You refer to practicing, practicing vs. improvising...? > >what is the difference between practicing and playing?... > >Smiles, > >CQ ok... when you look at little cats, there is none. but when you practice for a ritual, you dont really call the spirits. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 23:03:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26581; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:02:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:02:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <116.1a4d715f.2b0199d4@aol.com> References: <116.1a4d715f.2b0199d4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:02:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Loop Rig FS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <6Rqr_.A.yeG.P1H09@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Complete Looping Rig consisting of: >1 - Electrix Repeater (1.1) w/ 128MB Simpletech CFC card >1 - Mackie 1202VLZ Mixer >1 - Alesis Quadraverb 2 >All racked up (no patch cords - run your signal chain as you see fit) in an >SKB 12 space Rack Case. >$1000 + shipping oh, my -- this is a *very* decisive way to unsubscribe... /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 23:19:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28248; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:16:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:16:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021112041520.17932.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:15:20 -0800 (PST) From: charlotte moorman Subject: pornloops! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <6aSoQB.A.84G.3BI09@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi patrick- yeah, i told my mom about it and she thought it was a "unique use for your music, honey"! because the scene wasn't degrading, just cool new york girls having sex on in an office hallway, it got very steamy but it wasn't offensive. i liked the guy's approach to it all, he wasn't a sleaze about shooting porn stuff and he writes his own music for most of it- i think if you find an interesting situation, and it feels right instinctively, you should open that door and see where it leads. after i saw it (and the whole tape), i thought for a second about doing a scene, maybe, someday. but not yet. my band PUSSYKITTY is rehearsing tonight and i'm bringing the loop station with some vox/machine samples as an experiment for 2 songs. and miko, you should DEFINITELY start your own website, because it could be a cool platform for all of your thoughts and music, and if anyone wanted to check it out they could. maybe this site isn't the place for all the long monologue-posts that are getting people upset, but a website would be cool for you! i would definitely check it out! OK see ya charlotte LoOpYgIrLLL xoxoxo __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 11 23:36:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30187; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:33:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:33:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021112043222.61981.qmail@web41005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:32:22 -0800 (PST) From: charlotte moorman Subject: pee ess To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com and ps- miko, i don't mean that you should LEAVE!! NOT AT ALL! but you should have a place for your exploratory side on a larger scale than a post-area, that's all! EVERYBODY needs their own site, sooner or later! haha- also, sometimes your posts remind me of the composer on the krimson diary site, jeffrey fayman, who also had a lot to say about his internal states, and they were interesting to read, but long. so that's all. C { ! } M __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 00:08:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02850; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:08:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:08:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DD08CC0.5ACF71EE@tapehissrecordings.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:08:16 -0500 From: Scott Carr Organization: Tapehiss Recordings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pee ess References: <20021112043222.61981.qmail@web41005.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been keeping quiet on this matter but this is really good advice. Make a BLOG or something + keep the OT verbal diarrhea off this list. loop it up. Scott charlotte moorman wrote: > > and ps- miko, i don't mean that you should LEAVE!! NOT > AT ALL! but you should have a place for your > exploratory side on a larger scale than a post-area, > that's all! EVERYBODY needs their own site, sooner or > later! haha- also, sometimes your posts remind me of > the composer on the krimson diary site, jeffrey > fayman, who also had a lot to say about his internal > states, and they were interesting to read, but long. > so that's all. C { ! } M > -- ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine http://www.tapehissrecordings.com and our sites at the world's largest online cut-out bin http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves http://mp3.com/hebephrenica http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime ....and for a whole new kind of music.... http://www.tapegerm.com ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 00:39:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05331; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:33:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:33:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021111223619.00867210@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:36:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Collaboration in music (response to RandomLFO) In-Reply-To: <17.3164ac15.2b017166@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <6xxj-D.A.7SB.zKJ09@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Mark, -thanks much for your note. Thanks for taking time to note my note. lol! Have an AWESOME evening, K? Talk with ya soon... Smiles, Cara --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 00:41:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06496; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:41:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:41:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021111224357.00864b80@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:43:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: CORRECTION!!! -was- Re: Collaboration in music (response to RandomLFO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ACK!!! -Have no idea what I was thinking! Oops, -Marc, rather than Mark... -terribly sorry about that... Catch ya on the flip side... Smiles, CQ Hey Mark, -thanks much for your note. Thanks for taking time to note my note. lol! Have an AWESOME evening, K? Talk with ya soon... Smiles, Cara --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 00:58:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08371; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:58:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:58:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021111230041.00793ae0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:00:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: RE: Collaboration in music (response to RandomLFO) In-Reply-To: References: <17.3164ac15.2b017166@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Miko, regarding the hum using the mic and sound card, it's possible that it might be a ground loop or interference being induced into the mic, cable, or sound card itself. There are a number of ways of dealing with all of these, and also quite a few very knowledgable people here. Regarding the idea of a ground loop, -where are all of your computer's peripherals and the system itself plugged into for power? Are they in a power strip? Are they in separate outlets? Do you have more than one power strip? Regarding interference, Where are your cables positioned?, -both power and audio?... What type and brand of mic do you have? What peripherals do you have? Is your sound card a stand-alone card or mounted on your computer's motherboard? Does it have a separate section physically disconnected from the card save any cables of course, where you can plug things into, such as mics or line ins or other audio sources? I bet we can figure this all out. Hums can be really annoying when ya want quiet. lol! Have a great evening... Smiles, CQ At 01:16 PM 11/11/02 -0800, you wrote: > nope, not hurt. LOL LOL- yes, in the past I got pre-amp >advice but I'm hoping to hear about simply using a better sound card... >> -----Original Message----- >>From: RandomLFO@aol.com [mailto:RandomLFO@aol.com] >>Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:48 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: Collaboration in music (response to RandomLFO) >> >> Hello. Actually I did hesitate on the "Check your meds" comment. >>I only included it in an attempt at a kind of tongue and cheek HELLO, >>WAKE-UP! I did not intend to hurt. Miko actually made a reference to >>being medicated in a previous email. In saying that, I am also have to >>admit that it is a potentailly unhurtful comment. Miko, If you have >>been hurt by this particular comment, I do apologize. Also remember >>this the next time you call people Moron's and Fascists. >> Curiously enough, I really wasn't sure how to take Miko's post. >>There certainly is some thought provoking content in it, but there is >>also some very blatant BS. I actually do not feel frustrated by Miko's >>comments. I'm just still figuring out how to take them. To be honest, >>I was actually laughing out loud by the time I signed-off. I wasn't >>laughing a vicious laugh at Miko, I was just simply laughing for the sake >>of laughing. I was also laughing at myself for somehow getting caught >>up in the whole thing. >> We have to remember that we can't chose who is on this list >>anymore than we can chose our family. Some of us will be mad at others >>sometimes, that's just the way it goes. None of us, including me, >>should strive to be hurtful though. I think that is where we need to >>draw the line. On to more Loop content... >> Marc >>PS: thanks for your "opinion" CQ. >> >> >> >>In a message dated 11/11/2002 5:30:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, >>thefates@earthlink.net writes: >> >> >> Marc, I enjoy reading your posts quite alot, but need to >>respond in the >> posting many >>off-topic posts of late, and this one at least to me is quite >>on-topic, and >> -Regardless >> >> <> to me at least, it's sort of like dis'ing someone when they're >> >> I also think the Check your meds comment is unfair, insulting and >>harsh, >>and maybe not the best or most polite way of showing your >>frustration, not >> -Miko >>has afterall, mentioned this, apologized for OT posts, and was ready to >> >> These are obviously just my opinions, but I for one really enjoyed >> >> >>CQ >> > > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 01:01:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10111; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:00:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:00:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:02:56 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Miko, Please leave this list In-reply-to: <20021112003354.70575.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20021112003354.70575.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5a0gIB.A.ndC.PkJ09@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:33 PM -0800 11/11/02, S V G wrote: >I receive this LD mailing in digest form, I have no way of deleting >an irrelevant poster from my mailbox other than switching to >individual email delivery or unsubscribing. I recommend that you switch to individual messages so that you can make a MIKO filter, or so you can skip over the messages that don't interest you. That's what I do, and I find that I can skip over about 95% of the messages when things get really stupid. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 01:01:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10109; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:00:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:00:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:59:03 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Miko, Please leave this list In-reply-to: <3DD05896.B16C4F25@zerocrossing.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20021112003354.70575.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> <3DD05896.B16C4F25@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:25 PM -0700 11/11/02, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: >...scumbing... What a great neologism! -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 01:01:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10110; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:00:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:00:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:59:52 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: you're no longer boring! In-reply-to: <20021112005336.8096.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20021112005336.8096.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:53 PM -0800 11/11/02, charlotte moorman wrote: >...using voice samples with keybd instrumental music and sampled >sound effects... I thought you were a cellist. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 02:36:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20800; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 02:34:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 02:34:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021112073348.48098.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:33:48 -0800 (PST) From: charlotte moorman Subject: Re: i'm no longer string-y, richard To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 4:53 PM -0800 11/11/02, charlotte moorman wrote: > >...using voice samples with keybd instrumental > music and sampled > >sound effects... > > I thought you were a cellist. > -- > hi dr. richard- no, as i said in my 1st post, i played the 'cello briefly as my first instrument, in grade school. there was a darkness to it's sound and that i respected but didn't find endearing. i wanted more notes, more clusters, more volume- more!! i started studying classical piano after that, then jazz and rock in high school, then adopted carla bley as my spiritual guru-mom. i love the way she writes, and while i don't write like that, i really admire it, also cecil taylor, whose playing is like a strong wind to me. now i try to weave electronic stuff into my keyboard pieces, and work in samples as rhythms, also vocal samples like breaths, spoken word, sighs, hums, all processed in my gear. what do you do? > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 02:56:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22965; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 02:56:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 02:56:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021112004712.0081b990@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:47:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: playing loops or let the looper play? In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20021111011707.00858640@pop.earthlink.net> <90.2ebbc6a5.2afdf2dd@aol.com> <3.0.5.32.20021111011707.00858640@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Matthias, you said, when you practice for a ritual, you dont really call the spirits. This is precisely my point, why don't you really call the spirits? -and are you sure that you aren't already? This can get into the idea of ritual itself. I know this sounds on the surface perhaps a bit confusing, but are you not playing when you practice? Are you not practicing as you play? -And if you do note a difference, what is it?... This is of course, just an observation I personally bring up with my students, and one which I particularly like, and one also which to me at least, has a great impact on not only music and looping, but creativity and understanding in general. -just my thoughts, thanks for taking time to read and comment on my note. -Hope yer' having a wonderful evening!... -Catch ya laters! Smiles, CQ At 01:26 AM 11/12/02 -0200, you wrote: >> It was said, is it really the same feeling? >>> >>>You refer to practicing, practicing vs. improvising...? >> >>what is the difference between practicing and playing?... >> >>Smiles, >> >>CQ > >ok... when you look at little cats, there is none. >but when you practice for a ritual, you dont really call the spirits. >-- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 02:56:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22964; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 02:56:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 02:56:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021112000312.00821e20@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:03:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: you're no longer boring! In-Reply-To: <20021112005336.8096.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <2pJ-kC.A.wlF.GQL09@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Charlotte, might you have any material online? -Would love to listen. LD now has a file section where people can upload and download material -if you have anything you would like to post, it'd be wonderful to hear it. -Have an awesome evening, K? Smiles, CQ At 04:53 PM 11/11/02 -0800, you wrote: >thanks for all the info on the bay area loopathons. >re: my own participation, i don't think i'm strong >enough technique-wise to play out of my studio live, >yet- i'm working towards my own vcabulary using voice >samples with keybd instrumental music and sampled >sound effects, and i believe in the direction, but >it's still developing. i really don't want to show up >at a festival and encounter the "oh, that's nice, >needs work though" thing, i want to try and blow >minds! or at least make people go "huh?!?" i did have >one "pro" gig, i provided background loop stuff for a >porn tape! i met a guy from new york who has a porn >company at a krimson gig in SF, and he invited me to >send some stuff. he was also a composer (big >band/orchestral) and he ended up using my stuff in a >scene, contract, paid me, etc. so maybe that's one >direction for us all to go! haha also, i think that >miko is probably really smart (like most of you) and >probably lonely in a way that a lot of smart people in >smaller communities are (i'm assuming), which is a >rare, valuable and grace-given commodity in this >hellish, selfish corporate nightmare culture. so i try >to just skim his multiple posts, but i would never ask >him to leave, that's like telling a cousin at the >dinner table to go sit out in the snow overnight just >because he talks about his homeroom teacher all the >time. we're FAMILY, after all! > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos >http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 03:14:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26362; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 03:13:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 03:13:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013201c289f1$042b85c0$0ff8c440@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <182.11b028cc.2b01a191@aol.com> Subject: Re: Collaboration in music Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 02:12:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_012F_01C289F1.0274FC20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_012F_01C289F1.0274FC20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "won't draw anymore of audience to us by looking down on them" not really a looking down, per se...rather, just an analysis of where i = stand in relation to (potential) listeners. as i mentioned, it's not a = value judgment. -jim ------=_NextPart_000_012F_01C289F1.0274FC20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_012F_01C289F1.0274FC20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 04:17:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA00747; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 04:17:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 04:17:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:16:22 +0100 Subject: Re: Freedom from MIKO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20021111185843.7953.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <69698EA8-F61F-11D6-A000-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I personally find Miko's posts refreshing, and 20% of the time, I laugh.... 80% of his posts admittedly are confusing OT gibberish, but the other 20% is often very funny stuff. Lighten up. If you don't like him, install a filter or just don't read his posts. I like the guy, and I'd be sad to see him go. Miko Fan Club ++1 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 04:25:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA01638; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 04:24:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 04:24:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 04:24:21 -0500 From: Lee Barnes Subject: Looper Spotted on the 10th of November in PA. In-reply-to: <005c01c27fc7$3dd23140$242c5a0c@u73x0> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear All, Pardon the lateness of the hour with this post! A very manual, very acoustic (and thankless tasked looper spotted, retuned a few times and heard) looper spotted at a second concert. As James brought up, it was a Tanpura that his sister was playing for the gig as the background drones while he was playing either a Surbahar or a Sitar. Hopefully next time, she'll be sitting a little closer to the microphone so that we'll be able to hear her a little better. Was majourly cool to hear someone explain a bit more of the history and what makes said ragas different from one another in a simplistic detail. Another point that needs to be brought up was that we weren't listening to yet another speed demon, but someone who did the more difficult task of playing slowly and with feeling (also gave us a good chance to hear what was coming out of said instruments, too). Really liked the movement of the noon time raga. Very enjoyable and hope that he'll be doing a few more concerts in the future. Peas out, Lee From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 04:33:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02429; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 04:32:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 04:32:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:21:28 +0100 Subject: Re: MIKO, please leave this list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20021111192015.50706.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <1FDC9334-F620-11D6-A000-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > MIKO, > > Please leave this list. This is not the place for you to waste other > people's time with your random psycho-babble. A few people have left > already because of you and I'm next on that list. For fucks sake. Who gives you the right to decide who should stay on this list and who should go? Are you the voice of Loopers Delight? No. WE ALL ARE!!! Miko is a looper. *Some* of what he writes is in fact very interesting, and it shows that he has the brain the size of a planet in certain respects, and is deeply into his looping. I admit he often flies off of the handle and babbles incoherently, but he has hinted openly on the list that he has problems, and takes medication. GIVE HIM A BREAK!!! If you don't like his posts, then don't read them. Do what other people have done and set up filters, or just delete his posts as and when they come in. To leave a list just because of one person is laughable and sad. MIKO> Stay on the list my friend. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 04:56:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04976; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 04:55:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 04:55:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009e01c28a31$ffc31200$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20021111011707.00858640@pop.earthlink.net> <90.2ebbc6a5.2afdf2dd@aol.com> <3.0.5.32.20021111011707.00858640@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20021112004712.0081b990@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: playing loops or let the looper play? Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:44:23 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias wrote: >but when you practice for a ritual, you dont really call the spirits. Sometimes *all* is ritual, hm? Sarah and I are in the process of preparing for moving in with her Mum, in a 150-year-old six-bedroom house. There's a shadowy lady in victorian black who appeared to her Dad on the basement stairs once, and not to me as yet - but then I've not moved in yet. When I do I can guarantee you that there'll be some new music of some kind emerging, which of course guarantees a disruption of some kind to the quiet, tomb-like atmosphere of that basement. Of course we've got to upgrade the electricity in the house to prevent me burning it down just by plugging in! So I'll let you know what the converse of the above phrase is like, whereby the spirits are already there, and one just happened to move into their space and make music happen. You can't please everyone, you know? [wink] But back on-topic, I see the loops I use in the same manner as my *other* FX units, as conduits and tools through which I produce sounds of various kinds. To pick it further apart for me would most likely spoil the fun, if not also the chance of random events or "happy accidents", as Eno put it. I probably don't exploit the two Zoom 2100's I have, as much as others on this list would, I just want to set up the patch so that it sounds like what I want, then the loop, and go. In opposition to many things I do actually, I'm less interested in the process than I am in the result. Oh well! Back off-topic, and I probably should have gone over this round Halloween... There have been a few times when what was coming out of my speakers sounded very much like spectral voices, that'd say something you forgot about the moment after you began to understand what you'd heard, as if I'd punched a hole through to a hallway for the undead. This was without the use of voices being input to the loops. I found myself wondering if this was on the same level of bizarre effect that one gets via pointing video at a blank broadcast TV channel... Perhaps one of these times I'll have the presence of mind to record it, eh? S.P. Goodman EarthLight Productions-Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - the Loop of the Week! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 05:04:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA07466; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 05:03:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 05:03:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: vst looping plugin Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:57:41 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <002901c28640$12c3dc90$b1cec22b@camb.scee.sony.co.uk> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com unfortunately i have no mac access... no worries, we're getting done with the first version of our VST plug here. it will do stuff like what i'm interested in... should make a cool loop tool! i'll keep you guys posted when it becomes available. thanks, paul > -----Original Message----- > From: Os [mailto:lists@collective.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 1:29 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: vst looping plugin > > > VeryLongDelay & LongStereoDelay, both part of Pluggo (www.pluggo.com) > > mdaLooplex, from www.mda-vst.com, not officially released but in the OS X > plugins download. > > > cheers, > os. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Weissman" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 2:38 AM > Subject: vst looping plugin > > > > > > this must have been asked in the past, but i couldn't find > anything decent > > in the archives... > > > > are any of you aware of any simple and effective vst looping plug-ins? > > basically just want a delay type effect, with a 'freeze' option, but i'm > > curious as to what else might be available. > > > > thanks, > > paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 05:42:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA11562; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 05:38:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 05:38:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <14d.1736b6d6.2b0233ed@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 05:37:33 EST Subject: Re: Loop Rig FS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 11 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 11/12/02 4:02:44 AM, tom@swirly.com writes: << oh, my -- this is a *very* decisive way to unsubscribe... >> Nah. Just unloading some excess stuff to help finance my interest in vintage archtops, along with moving towards a more simplified (feature set wise) streamlined loop rig - tired of hauling big racks around - getting old, I guess. - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 08:22:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA29233; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:21:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:21:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d301c28a4e$57145e30$5de1d818@ccsunet.clayton.edu> From: "magicicada" To: References: <69698EA8-F61F-11D6-A000-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Subject: Wow miko Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:20:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if i was miko i would get my cd finished and up for sale soon, due to all the press that is coming his way. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 08:27:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA29996; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:26:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:26:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021112132552.75571.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 05:25:52 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Spontaneous Conversion Event Strikes Loopers List! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-155039721-1037107552=:75140" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-155039721-1037107552=:75140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In a flurry of overuse, my delete key broke last night. Does anyone have a part number/source for a replacement? 8^) -t- Dennis Leas was quoted by: Jeff Shirkey wrote:> Most think it's horseshit and just >use the delete key. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD --0-155039721-1037107552=:75140 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

In a flurry of overuse, my delete key broke last night. Does anyone have a part number/source for a replacement?

8^)

-t-

 Dennis Leas was quoted by:

Jeff Shirkey <jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:

> Most think it's horseshit and just
>use the delete key.


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U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD --0-155039721-1037107552=:75140-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 11:02:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20136; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:01:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:01:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <92140A6CB1347643A9B7E1988B65BD8B02F4DFFB@mail1.icc.state.il.us> From: "Simonson, Kevin" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Open request to LD members. Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:00:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All. I respectfully request some input from anyone who has a moment. I'm interested in working with source material more or less accumulated randomly. So, I would like anyone who is interested to send me up to 20 words. They could be sentences, poetry, haiku, prosaic passages, fragments, dadaist sounds, onomatopoetic, whatever. Changes of season, gasoline rainbows, an appendix to a TI graphing calculator, whatever comes to (your) mind. Plain text is dandy. I did this a few years ago and it worked nicely. At that time I was trying to get my head around a Jamman. Now, it's the combination of EDP and Stick. I'm in a sort of creative slump. Inspire me. -K (replies off list) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 11:13:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21040; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:07:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:07:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021112160638.74768.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:06:38 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: MIKO, please leave this list To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1FDC9334-F620-11D6-A000-0003934B4712@solostring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree but he has pissed me off as well with his sarcastic and nonsense responses.i´ve been cool about it and said nothing but i don´t think is cool Or do you want me to start with such comments as well? wrote: > > MIKO, > > > > Please leave this list. This is not the place for > you to waste other > > people's time with your random psycho-babble. A > few people have left > > already because of you and I'm next on that list. > > For fucks sake. Who gives you the right to decide > who should stay on > this list and who should go? Are you the voice of > Loopers Delight? No. > WE ALL ARE!!! > > Miko is a looper. *Some* of what he writes is in > fact very interesting, > and it shows that he has the brain the size of a > planet in certain > respects, and is deeply into his looping. I admit he > often flies off of > the handle and babbles incoherently, but he has > hinted openly on the > list that he has problems, and takes medication. > > GIVE HIM A BREAK!!! > > If you don't like his posts, then don't read them. > Do what other people > have done and set up filters, or just delete his > posts as and when they > come in. > > To leave a list just because of one person is > laughable and sad. > > MIKO> Stay on the list my friend. > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 11:28:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22786; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:20:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:20:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021112161924.99525.qmail@web40505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:19:24 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: RE: MIko and the like To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh please man your not even funny > I'd love one. I thought the echoplexers wore going > to help us get there > using volume controls on the Repeater. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirby Shelstad > [mailto:kirbyshelstad@mindspring.com] > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 3:25 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: MIko and the like > > > how bout a day of silence? > > k > > "S.P. Goodman" wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Christopher White" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 20:37:PM > > Subject: MIko and the like > > > > > you guys really need to calm down. my god! want > him to > > > leave? you sound like my grandfather. > > > > Vote for everyone to calm the feck down seconded. > > > > S.P. Goodman > > EarthLight Productions > > * > > http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and > Illustrations! > > http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons > via Medialine! > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 11:50:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26440; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:47:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:47:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <92140A6CB1347643A9B7E1988B65BD8B02F4DFFB@mail1.icc.state.il.us> References: <92140A6CB1347643A9B7E1988B65BD8B02F4DFFB@mail1.icc.state.il.us> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:41:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: Open request to LD members. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <66LDI.A.lcG.NCT09@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here are some spam headers -- hope they are random enough for you-:) At 6:02 PM -0800 11/11/02, recipes4living1@recipes4living1.email-publisher.com wrote: >Great Holiday Gifts At 4:05 AM -0800 11/12/02, Teeth Stains wrote: >Get a beautiful smile: Get rid of Coffee and Smoke Stains! At 12:04 PM +0000 11/12/02, Parade of Homes wrote: >Subject: Windows, Vinyl Siding, Flooring, Roofing, No Obligation Quotes.... >X-Info: please report abuse of this service to abuse@azogle.com At 10:00 AM -0600 11/12/02, Simonson, Kevin wrote: >Hi All. > >I respectfully request some input from anyone who has a moment. > >I'm interested in working with source material more or less accumulated >randomly. > >So, I would like anyone who is interested to send me up to 20 words. They >could be sentences, poetry, haiku, prosaic passages, fragments, dadaist >sounds, onomatopoetic, whatever. Changes of season, gasoline rainbows, an >appendix to a TI graphing calculator, whatever comes to (your) mind. > >Plain text is dandy. > >I did this a few years ago and it worked nicely. At that time I was trying >to get my head around a Jamman. Now, it's the combination of EDP and Stick. >I'm in a sort of creative slump. > >Inspire me. > >-K > >(replies off list) > > -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 12:05:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30206; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:04:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:04:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:01:56 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: Open request to LD members. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DD13404.E9F9B4E3@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <92140A6CB1347643A9B7E1988B65BD8B02F4DFFB@mail1.icc.state.il.us> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why not just search the LD archives and grab all of Miko's posts? Could be the perfect random dadaist prose you need. "Simonson, Kevin" wrote: > Hi All. > > I respectfully request some input from anyone who has a moment. > > I'm interested in working with source material more or less accumulated > randomly. > > So, I would like anyone who is interested to send me up to 20 words. They > could be sentences, poetry, haiku, prosaic passages, fragments, dadaist > sounds, onomatopoetic, whatever. Changes of season, gasoline rainbows, an > appendix to a TI graphing calculator, whatever comes to (your) mind. > > Plain text is dandy. > > I did this a few years ago and it worked nicely. At that time I was trying > to get my head around a Jamman. Now, it's the combination of EDP and Stick. > I'm in a sort of creative slump. > > Inspire me. > > -K > > (replies off list) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 12:41:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02033; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:40:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:40:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:34:34 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Open request to LD members. In-reply-to: <92140A6CB1347643A9B7E1988B65BD8B02F4DFFB@mail1.icc.state.il.us> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <92140A6CB1347643A9B7E1988B65BD8B02F4DFFB@mail1.icc.state.il.us> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:00 AM -0600 11/12/02, Simonson, Kevin wrote: >I would like anyone who is interested to send me up to 20 words. sentences poetry haiku prosaic passages fragments dadaist sounds onomatopoetic whatever Changes season gasoline rainbows appendix graphing calculator whatever comes mind -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 12:43:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02742; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:42:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:42:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021112174119.13214.qmail@web40509.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:41:19 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: MIKO, please leave this list,,seconded To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <022301c289c1$85e86a90$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why doesn´t he just give input instead of garbage nonsense? It takes the same amount of time but a lot of us could make use of it! I post a question every now and then and come home anxious to go to loopers delight to receive a learning answer only to find useless info. It is frustrating after a while and i´ve thought lately about unsubscribing quietly as well. But why should i? i love this site and learned a lot from it! he shouldn´t leave either just give out useful info if you have any isn´t that why we are all here for? "If you got nothing to say,say nothing" Robert fripp peace > i'll veto that motion, > as all-being - master of time space and dimension. > > i admit some of miko's post have been disturbing, > but this attempt to eject him from the list is more > disturbing. > it's really easy to hit the delete button or use > ignore. > it's only a small amount more effort to be tolerant. > this is all really childish. i hope none of you > "take your ball and go home" > > > > > ... > > > Please leave this list. > > > ... > > > SVG > > > > > > > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 12:52:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03569; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:47:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:47:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <92140A6CB1347643A9B7E1988B65BD8B02F4DFFE@mail1.icc.state.il.us> From: "Simonson, Kevin" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: (OT)RE: Open request to LD members. Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:45:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Now *that's* great. Ok, I get the message(s) people, time to scrub some windows :) -K -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:35 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Open request to LD members. At 10:00 AM -0600 11/12/02, Simonson, Kevin wrote: >I would like anyone who is interested to send me up to 20 words. sentences poetry haiku prosaic passages fragments dadaist sounds onomatopoetic whatever Changes season gasoline rainbows appendix graphing calculator whatever comes mind -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 13:01:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06145; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:00:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:00:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021112175936.10775.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:59:36 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: a gear head question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- mr monk wrote: > On Monday, November 11, 2002, at 06:55 PM, Greg House wrote: > > > the other a 128MB purchased > > at Sam's Club). I also have another 128MB SimpleTech that gives me > > Slow CFC errors when I use it in stereo. > > that's the problem i was having and electrix (at the time) told me that > they didn't really support the 128 meg simpletech card...sigh... That's really odd, since they now say the Simpletech is the ONLY card they fully recommend! At one point, Electrix themselves would broker the Simpletech cards that didn't work, insuring that you got a good one. I don't think they do that service any more, but I've heard that Simpletech will. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 13:06:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06825; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:04:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:04:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021112180355.13028.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:03:55 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: (OT) Open request to LD members. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <92140A6CB1347643A9B7E1988B65BD8B02F4DFFB@mail1.icc.state.il.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-109023215-1037124235=:11695" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-109023215-1037124235=:11695 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Try this: http://www.webcom.com/wordings/artofwrite/poetrygenerator.html or this: http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~stephenh/js/poetry/ or even this: http://freespace.virgin.net/c.blunt/rvl/ -t- "Simonson, Kevin" wrote:I'm interested in working with source material more or less accumulated randomly. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD --0-109023215-1037124235=:11695 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Try this:

http://www.webcom.com/wordings/artofwrite/poetrygenerator.html

or this:

http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~stephenh/js/poetry/

or even this:

http://freespace.virgin.net/c.blunt/rvl/

-t-

 "Simonson, Kevin" <ksimonso@icc.state.il.us> wrote:

I'm interested in working with source material more or less accumulated
randomly.


Do you Yahoo!?
U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD --0-109023215-1037124235=:11695-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 13:12:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08087; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:11:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:11:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021112181057.87928.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:10:57 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: a gear head question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20021112175936.10775.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1970829832-1037124657=:85987" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1970829832-1037124657=:85987 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Was it SimpleTech in general, or specifically the SimpleTech 128 meg that they said wasn'tsupported? Was that maybe before the OS upgrade? http://www.electrixpro.com/support/faq.html#repeater -t- --- mr monk wrote: > that's the problem i was having and electrix (at the time) told me that > they didn't really support the 128 meg simpletech card...sigh... ---and Greg House wrote: >That's really odd, since they now say the Simpletech is the ONLY card they fully >recommend! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD --0-1970829832-1037124657=:85987 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

 

Was it SimpleTech in general, or specifically the SimpleTech 128 meg that they said wasn'tsupported? Was that maybe before the OS upgrade?

http://www.electrixpro.com/support/faq.html#repeater

-t-


--- mr monk wrote:

> that's the problem i was having and electrix (at the time) told me that
> they didn't really support the 128 meg simpletech card...sigh...

---and Greg House wrote:
>That's really odd, since they now say the Simpletech is the ONLY card they fully
>recommend!


Do you Yahoo!?
U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD --0-1970829832-1037124657=:85987-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 13:26:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09879; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:22:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:22:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021112182130.6282.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:21:30 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Open request to LD members. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <92140A6CB1347643A9B7E1988B65BD8B02F4DFFB@mail1.icc.state.il.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "Simonson, Kevin" wrote: > I'm interested in working with source material more or less accumulated > randomly. > > So, I would like anyone who is interested to send me up to 20 words. They > could be sentences, poetry, haiku, prosaic passages, fragments, dadaist > sounds, onomatopoetic, whatever. Changes of season, gasoline rainbows, an > appendix to a TI graphing calculator, whatever comes to (your) mind. I think Miko already sent you several messages of random text. He copied the list too. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 13:42:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11155; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:33:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:33:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-envelope-info: Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:36:38 -0800 Subject: Re: Miko, Please leave this list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Landman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3DD05896.B16C4F25@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since I've been a LD subscriber for a very long time, and usually keep my posts to the bare minimum, I feel comfortable speaking on this issue. I note with dismay the result of yesterday's discussion on Mikos "exuberant" posting, 34 new unread mails in my deleted messages box. Yep, I finally set up a filter to get rid of Miko's annoying and much too frequent postings about a week ago. So after getting the proverbial "wake-up" call from LD that he should consider toning down his posts, Miko's response is to just keep up the barrage. LD is usually a wonderful list. Some of you post more than others, and you all have different strengths. I can count on Richard Zvonar to enlighten me, Mark Sottilaro to amuse me, and Rick Walker to inspire me. And that's just the tip of the iceberg, with people like Matthias, Kim, Andre, Mark Hamburg, etc... But, like most internet discussion groups, the signal to noise ratio has been increasing alarmingly. I'd personally like to see our focus stay a little sharper. Most of the "off-target" folks don't stay long, but Miko's a different problem. I've already "voted" with my email filter. On a looping note, Dennis Leas should be releasing his LCK looping tools for Kyma soon. As soon as he makes this public, I'd urge anyone with an interest in looping tools and their possible configurations to check it out, as it's fascinating stuff. Best- Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 13:43:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12015; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:40:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:40:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <3d.27785335.2b02a4ea@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:39:38 EST Subject: Re: Loop Rig FS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3d.27785335.2b02a4ea_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_3d.27785335.2b02a4ea_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/12/02 5:39:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, PMimlitsch@aol.com writes: > moving towards a more simplified (feature set wise) > streamlined loop rig hey "old" paul.....what do you see this new loop rig containing and is this a "passing" phase till some new goodie comes along?.....love the quest for archtops, nothing cooler.....michael --part1_3d.27785335.2b02a4ea_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/12/02 5:39:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, PMimlitsch@aol.com writes:


moving towards a more simplified (feature set wise)
streamlined loop rig


hey "old" paul.....what do you see this new loop rig containing and is this a "passing" phase till some new goodie comes along?.....love the quest for archtops, nothing cooler.....michael --part1_3d.27785335.2b02a4ea_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 14:26:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17494; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:19:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:19:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:16:47 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: (OT)RE: Open request to LD members. In-reply-to: <92140A6CB1347643A9B7E1988B65BD8B02F4DFFE@mail1.icc.state.il.us> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <92140A6CB1347643A9B7E1988B65BD8B02F4DFFE@mail1.icc.state.il.us> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:45 AM -0600 11/12/02, Simonson, Kevin wrote: >Now *that's* great. > >Ok, I get the message(s) people, time to scrub some windows :) I'm serious, though. You're asking for input for a process-oriented piece from the members of a process-oriented community. I merely looped your message back to you, with a little filtering. Part of the piece, no? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 14:39:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18426; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:28:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:28:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <92140A6CB1347643A9B7E1988B65BD8B02F4DFFF@mail1.icc.state.il.us> From: "Simonson, Kevin" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: (OT)RE: Open request to LD members. Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:27:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com NO, I really meant that's GREAT. No sarcasm intended! It was an extraordinary, concise response! Absolutely part of the piece. The request is the response is the... Nice. -K -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 1:17 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (OT)RE: Open request to LD members. At 11:45 AM -0600 11/12/02, Simonson, Kevin wrote: >Now *that's* great. > >Ok, I get the message(s) people, time to scrub some windows :) I'm serious, though. You're asking for input for a process-oriented piece from the members of a process-oriented community. I merely looped your message back to you, with a little filtering. Part of the piece, no? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 15:00:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25267; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:58:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:58:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008401c28a85$d3a3b540$d12f5a0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: "loopers-delight" References: <007801c28a83$df3d98a0$d12f5a0c@u73x0> Subject: Re: Looper Spotted on the 10th of November in PA. [WARNING - OT] Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:58:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA25215 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mindful of the considerable current polemic regarding OT material, with some trepidation I'll say: Lee wrote: > Was majourly cool to hear someone explain a bit more > of the history and what makes said ragas different from > one another in a simplistic detail. > Another point that needs to be brought up was that we > weren't listening to yet another speed demon, but someone > who did the more difficult task of playing slowly and with > feeling (also gave us a good chance to hear what was > coming out of said instruments, too). > Very enjoyable and hope that he'll be doing a few more > concerts in the future. Thank you for your kind words and for making the long road trip to hear the concert. I've certainly commented enough onlist and off-topic regarding similarities between looping and Indian classical music, so I won't go any further with it now, except to say that I really like your "tanpura as acoustic looper" remarks! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 15:06:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26827; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:00:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:00:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:34:06 -0500 Subject: Re: a gear head question Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-22-836788051 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) From: mr monk To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20021112181057.87928.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <5367FE0E-F66D-11D6-8274-000393073870@fuse.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-22-836788051 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed yeah, i remember being pretty frustrated by the situation. i was=20 looking at a piece of paper that recommended the simple tech, while the=20= tech on the phone said, "yeah, well we don't really support them=20 anymore..." On Tuesday, November 12, 2002, at 01:10 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: > =A0 > > Was it SimpleTech in general, or specifically the SimpleTech 128 meg=20= > that they said wasn'tsupported? Was that maybe before the OS upgrade? > > http://www.electrixpro.com/support/faq.html#repeater > > -t- > > > --- mr monk wrote: > > > that's the problem i was having and electrix (at the time) told me=20= > that > > they didn't really support the 128 meg simpletech card...sigh... > > ---and Greg House wrote: > >That's really odd, since they now say the Simpletech is the ONLY card=20= > they fully > >recommend! > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD monk@fuse.net http://www.monkmusic.com --Apple-Mail-22-836788051 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 yeah, i remember being pretty frustrated by the situation. i was looking at a piece of paper that recommended the simple tech, while the tech on the phone said, "yeah, well we don't really support them anymore..." On Tuesday, November 12, 2002, at 01:10 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: =A0 Was it SimpleTech in general, or specifically the SimpleTech 128 meg that they said wasn'tsupported? Was that maybe before the OS upgrade? = 0000,6666,0000http://www.electrixpro.com/= support/faq.html#repeater -t- --- mr monk wrote: > that's the problem i was having and electrix (at the time) told me that > they didn't really support the 128 meg simpletech card...sigh... ---and Greg House wrote: >That's really odd, since they now say the Simpletech is the ONLY card they fully >recommend! < Do you Yahoo!? 1999,1999,FFFFU2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD monk@fuse.net http://www.monkmusic.com --Apple-Mail-22-836788051-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 15:24:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28771; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:21:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:21:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008201c28a56$7148c450$09f8c440@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <14d.1736b6d6.2b0233ed@aol.com> Subject: Re: Loop Rig FS Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:18:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <6geSEC.A.wAH.JKW09@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "my interest in vintage archtops" buying a d'angelico are we? -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 15:33:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29822; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:30:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:30:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:29:20 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: i'm no longer string-y, richard In-reply-to: <20021112073348.48098.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20021112073348.48098.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8nwR_C.A.ZRH.UTW09@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:33 PM -0800 11/11/02, charlotte moorman wrote: >as i said in my 1st post, i played the 'cello briefly as my first instrument I missed that message. I was still riffing on the OTHER Charlotte Moorman. >i'm very aware of dear ms. moorman and her contributions (and her >attributes, lucky mr. cage!.. If you're referring to her physical attributes, I'm afraid that was somewhat lost on the decidedly gay Mr. Cage. >i try to weave electronic stuff into my keyboard pieces, and work in >samples as rhythms, also vocal samples like breaths, spoken word, >sighs, hums, >all processed in my gear. what do you do? I do a variety of things in and around electroacoustic music, but most recent gigs have been solo improvisations with Eventide processors and recorded source materials. I have a lot of history working with voice and electronics (check out the Diamanda Galas LP on Metalanguage if you can find it). -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 15:49:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31635; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:46:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:46:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00cf01c28a8c$5f7569a0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Miko, Please leave this list Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:45:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "Mark Landman" > . . . > On a looping note, Dennis Leas should be releasing his LCK looping tools > for Kyma soon. As soon as he makes this public, I'd urge anyone with an > interest in looping tools and their possible configurations to check it > out, as it's fascinating stuff. Thanks, Mark! I hope to have it out THIS WEEK! (Pause while the brass band marches by...) I've been hung up on "last minute" paperwork for the past few months. (Pause while Christ walks by with his cross...). Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 16:22:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03675; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:20:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:20:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DD16257.D9041D8C@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:19:36 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: a gear head question References: <20021112175936.10775.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3pPwF.A.v2.wBX09@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right. I've got a Simpletech 128 that works fine. Electrix recommended it. I'm not sure why some would and others would not. I can actually record in stereo while playing back another stereo pair with no problems... as long as I'm not doing any crazy pitch shift or tempo change. Mark Sottilaro Greg House wrote: > --- mr monk wrote: > > On Monday, November 11, 2002, at 06:55 PM, Greg House wrote: > > > > > the other a 128MB purchased > > > at Sam's Club). I also have another 128MB SimpleTech that gives me > > > Slow CFC errors when I use it in stereo. > > > > that's the problem i was having and electrix (at the time) told me that > > they didn't really support the 128 meg simpletech card...sigh... > > That's really odd, since they now say the Simpletech is the ONLY card they fully > recommend! At one point, Electrix themselves would broker the Simpletech cards > that didn't work, insuring that you got a good one. I don't think they do that > service any more, but I've heard that Simpletech will. > > Greg > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos > http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 16:33:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04607; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:32:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:32:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DD16537.D02CB8AA@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:31:52 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: you're no longer boring! References: <20021112005336.8096.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com charlotte moorman wrote: > we're FAMILY, after all! We are? Should I bring something over for Thanksgiving? I sure hope you get me something nice for Christmas. Makr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 16:42:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05342; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:39:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:39:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021112154534.0466cae0@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:47:10 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Duke Sexton Subject: Re: you're no longer boring! In-Reply-To: <3DD16537.D02CB8AA@zerocrossing.net> References: <20021112005336.8096.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:31 PM 11/12/2002 -0700, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: >charlotte moorman wrote: > > > we're FAMILY, after all! > >We are? Should I bring something over for Thanksgiving? I sure hope >you get me something nice for Christmas. Christmas??? And here I thought we were Jewish... ;) -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 16:47:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06432; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:46:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:46:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:25:10 -0800 From: glenn Subject: Re: WAY OT: Re: MIKO, please leave this list In-reply-to: <1037060029.3dd047bd16385@www.suitandtieguy.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't have any looping gear(I barely have $ for food right now), unless you count that I am using ambiloop which is great(i need a different sound card on the pC, a vst version or a mac version though, but that is NOT a complaint for what's been given generously by it's creators) I started looping with homemade cassette loops as a kid and later with an echoplex. Inspired by Looppools performaces which only cemented a congealing feeling that i was made to work in loop and segments as opposed to all at once songwiriting, just that I'm made that way and it's okay. With that said if my contribution or prescence here is demeaned the the non-prescence of the gear i can't afford yet, the experience and work i haven't done yet, or my lack of popularity here then kick me off too and I could give half a crap if that's what this list is about. When people were going around beating people for being middle eastern you guys were solid. I left a long time list because of the small minded crap that started taking over there and built up a world of respect for you all in that time. There are lots of times I'm not into a whole vein of discussion and i don't find anyone's posts more or less valuable than anyone elses. I thought this was a free and safe environment, WTF is up with attacking this guy? To speak completely honestly, it makes me sick to see a bunch of grown men gush and get all stupid everytime a woman makes and entrance into their world. I have no one and nothing in my world, but i would never act this way to try to change that. And what this "group psychology" crap of "hey man, I have more security here than you and I'm going to broker than and directly tell you to leave like a total DICK" smack of to me is group psychology showoffy ego bullshit in response to the prescence of newfound woman on the list. Profound posts, flagrant use of unnecesarily large words and complex logic, and now this. I love this list, but like my country when it's sucking, i have to say "it's sucking right now" out of duty to the list and what's true and or right as i percieve it or else I'm not really loyal to anything and I'm to blame for standing by in complacency while people are hurt.. We had a subject line involving "boring". Well what we've moved onto is rude and immature and inhuman, making boring look like a lofty goal. Everyone here is capable of doing and behaving much better: go for a jog, write down your feelings, drop down in an isolation tank, make some music for god's sake, but please let's not be abnoxious to each other? Like i said I've skipped over some posts because of non-interest or lately disgust so if i missed something please let me know and sorry in advance if i did, did i? But if all this gentleman is accused of is making more posts than someone else and not being "loopy" enough, then this if frickin stupid and you can kick me off too if that's how it's going to be. If the conscious or unconscious goal was to impress someone, i hope for that target's sake it didn't work, which would be a loop, not that i want to have to worry if some guy is going to call me OT if I don't mention a loop. Sincerely, Glenn Javaheri looping fan/amateur looper/crappy musician/ Just to cleanse my soul of any fear or posting something "OT" i got turned onto the coolest band I've heard in years today, "Swan Dive" http://members.aol.com/swandive33/music/music.htm if you're interested on 11/11/02 4:13 PM, Eric Williamson at erwill@suitandtieguy.com wrote: > Quoting S V G : >> Please leave this list. > > i don't read what i'm not interested in. > > however, > > asking someone to leave the looper's delight list is just plain rude. > > if you don't like his words, don't read them. it's kim's list and if kim > hasn't > suspended him yet, i don't think it's anyone's business. > > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 16:50:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06904; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:49:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:49:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DD16956.65238AF6@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:49:26 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The audience, and technology. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know about this. I think a lot of people can get what you do if you use good analogies and don't get too technical. Last weekend I played a rave, and I had a woman ask if I had prerecorded my background tracks. I just told her, "In a sense, yes. I recorded them here and had them immediately play back. Kind of like being a DJ, but starting with a blank record. First you've got to put something on the record, then I use all sorts of computer gear to screw with that recording." I didn't get a blank stare at all. People can be open... if they care. I usually never go into what I'm doing if they don't express an interest. Give a brief overview, and "black box" the complicated stuff. If they want to know more, they'll ask. Mark Sottilaro RandomLFO@aol.com wrote: > Thinking of the intelligence of the public. Many people in the audience > know much that I will not know. We as musicians that use specialized > technology to create our music, know things that most of them will never > know, or care to know. After the fact, I always chuckle to myself when a > listener has asked me a question like ..how did I get those sounds? I start > to try to explain about Looping, Reaktor, Spektral Delay, CrusherX, Granular > ReSynthesis, blah, blah, blah.... I find myself feeling like a complete nerd. > Worse still the inquiring eyes have transformed into a blank stare. I laugh > at myself for not having a clue as how to explain any of it to them. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 17:12:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10698; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 17:11:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 17:11:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DD16E4B.593F1323@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:10:36 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WAY OT: Re: MIKO, please leave this list References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <06gOVD.A.emC.cxX09@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com glenn wrote: > > > I thought this was a free and safe environment, WTF is up with attacking > this guy? > The point is, this is NOT a free and save environment. It's an environment where people who make loop based music can get together and talk about that topic. If you want a free and safe environment, get a web journal page and go to it. This is just not the place for it. Not to mention he's really insulting a lot of time, but I don't care about that as much. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 17:52:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14199; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 17:48:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 17:48:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021112224741.92270.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:47:41 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: you're no longer boring! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3DD16537.D02CB8AA@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > charlotte moorman wrote: > > we're FAMILY, after all! > > We are? Yep. The Osbournes. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 18:04:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16701; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:01:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:01:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021112230018.82993.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:00:18 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: we are family To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20021112224741.92270.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I love you all. I love you more than life itself, but you're all fucking mad. --- Greg House wrote: > --- sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > > charlotte moorman wrote: > > > we're FAMILY, after all! > > > > We are? > > Yep. The Osbournes. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 18:39:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19297; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:36:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:36:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <1a3.bb2c362.2b02ea35@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:35:17 EST Subject: Re: Loop Rig FS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 11 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 11/12/02 6:41:21 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: << hey "old" paul.....what do you see this new loop rig containing and is this a "passing" phase till some new goodie comes along?.....love the quest for archtops, nothing cooler >> Lately, I've been using various configurations - whatevers needed for the particular gig - of DL4's, PDS8000'd, and sometimes - my one concession to rack mount stuff - a RDS8000 - all in the effects loop of my FlextoneII Plus. I did the pedal board thing a couple years ago but by the time I duplicated the functionality of my rack set up I was again lugging around to much stuff. So now it's down to whatever I feel like throwing into a shoulder bag is all I need. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 19:01:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20873; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:57:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:57:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Hoby Ebert" To: "LoopersDelightlist" Subject: --liberals-- Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:57:14 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3DD05896.B16C4F25@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you hate fucking liberals, then don't. -----Original Message----- From: sine@zerocrossing.net [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 8:26 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Miko, Please leave this list I applaud you for speaking your mind and not scumbing to political correctness. This is a community and it should have the means to protect itself. The web has millions of outlets for "ego masturbation." LD isn't one of them (usually!) and shouldn't become one. I HATE the "It's all good" bullshit. It's not all good. Some things are bad. This is a forum for a specific topic. OK, it's a broad based topic, but a topic none the less. If each of us wrote a dozen emails about whatever came into their mind, what would this list be? It is not rude to ask Miko to leave. He can't control himself (obviously). It would be like saying, "You can't through Mark out of the movie theatre for BBQing. He was hungry. It's a free country!" Movie theatres are *bad* places to roast up a good hamburger. LD is a bad place to stroke your ego. I hate fucking liberals that think everyone should be allowed to do everything until everything turns into weak piss water. Have a backbone. If you like Miko's posts, say so, but don't say, "Sure he's rude and idiotic, but that's not reason to make him leave." That is stupid. Please Miko, if you can not control yourself, go elsewhere. Start a religion, that should work fine for you, and give you a tax break too. I'm sorry about your mental illness' but I've got a bunch of issues of my own to deal with. Sorry. No time. Mark S V G wrote: > Since I receive this LD mailing in digest form, I have no way of deleting an irrelevant > poster from my mailbox other than switching to individual email delivery or unsubscribing. > > Of the hundreds of emails that Miko has posted since he or she joined, not one of them is > about looping nor does his/her music contain any looping content that I can perceive. > > Miko's self description of his/her writing is "ego masturbation". > > The question is, how much of this stuff do we put up with before taking some sort of action? > Two people to my knowledge have unsubscribed so far specifically because of Miko. > > I am here to talk about the craft of Looping and related items. I'd like to get on with it > without a lot of crap cluttering up my mailbox. I said it earlier and I'll say it again. If Miko > isn't gone soon, I will be. > > I apologize if this post offends anyone. > > SVG > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos > http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 20:16:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29333; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:15:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:15:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <191.1021f0d7.2b03016d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:14:21 EST Subject: Re: Loop Rig FS (archtops) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 11 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 11/12/02 8:21:21 PM, jimfowler@prodigy.net writes: << buying a d'angelico are we? >> Mainly interested in '30s/'40s acoustic archtops (esp Epiphones). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 21:06:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00421; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:05:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:05:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: LinkTomlin@aol.com Message-ID: <88.20f6b0ca.2b030d28@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:04:24 EST Subject: Re: you're no longer boring! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_88.20f6b0ca.2b030d28_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows UK sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_88.20f6b0ca.2b030d28_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At least it's not The Osmonds! > --- sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > > charlotte moorman wrote: > > > we're FAMILY, after all! > > > > We are? > > Yep. The Osbournes. --part1_88.20f6b0ca.2b030d28_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At least it's not The Osmonds!

--- sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
> charlotte moorman wrote:
> >  we're FAMILY, after all!
>
> We are? 

Yep. The Osbournes.


 --part1_88.20f6b0ca.2b030d28_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 22:20:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05660; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:19:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:19:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Soundcards, was Re: Collaboration in music Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:18:33 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C28A80.4A867D10" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <001701c28aa3$f8b4dc60$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C28A80.4A867D10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What is this robbed comment? I don't rob. -----Original Message----- From: Butch [mailto:paulrichard10@attbi.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Soundcards, was Re: Collaboration in music Sounds like a good way to get robbed! Hehehe.......... ----- Original Message ----- From: MIKO To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:32 PM Subject: RE: Soundcards, was Re: Collaboration in music Thanks. Is there anyone in San Francisco who might let me me visit his/her apartment to see the standard Echoplex setup since echoplex seems to be the main device used? Note that you might get some feedback while I'm there. (Whoever on this list knows what that means- well, finally- the innuendo issue is cleared up for you.) -----Original Message----- From: RandomLFO@aol.com [mailto:RandomLFO@aol.com] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 2:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Soundcards, was Re: Collaboration in music In a message dated 11/11/2002 4:17:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, m-i-k-o@attbi.com writes: Everyone replies to my OT posts but never to my "mic jack" or "sound card" posts- LOL- yes, in the past I got pre-amp advice but I'm hoping to hear about simply using a better sound card... I think that I deleted a fair number of soundcard posts since they seemed to focus interfaces that I had no experience with. I did not have anything valid to contribute, so I moved on. FWIW, I am using an Echo Layla24 laptop, and a MOTU 2408 w/ my desktop. If you are using a PC and have questions about either of these units, I will be more than happy to give you what info I can. Marc ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C28A80.4A867D10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What is this=20 robbed comment?
 
I = don't=20 rob.
-----Original Message-----
From: Butch=20 [mailto:paulrichard10@attbi.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, = 2002=20 3:34 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Re: Soundcards, was Re: Collaboration in music

Sounds like a good way to get=20 robbed!
 
Hehehe..........
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 MIKO
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, November 11, = 2002 5:32=20 PM
Subject: RE: Soundcards, was = Re:=20 Collaboration in music

Thanks.
 
Is there=20 anyone in San Francisco who might let me me visit his/her apartment = to see=20 the standard Echoplex setup since echoplex seems to be the main = device=20 used?
 
Note that you=20 might get some feedback while I'm there.  (Whoever on = this list=20 knows what that means- well, finally- the innuendo issue is cleared = up for=20 you.)
-----Original Message-----
From: = RandomLFO@aol.com=20 [mailto:RandomLFO@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, November 11, = 2002 2:08=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Soundcards, was Re: Collaboration in music =

In a message dated = 11/11/2002 4:17:42 PM=20 Eastern Standard Time, m-i-k-o@attbi.com = writes:


 Everyone replies to my OT posts but never to my "mic = jack"=20 or "sound card" posts-  LOL- yes, in the past I got pre-amp = advice=20 but I'm hoping to hear about simply using a better sound=20 card...


     I think that I = deleted a=20 fair number of soundcard posts since they seemed to focus = interfaces that=20 I had no experience with. I did not have anything valid to = contribute, so=20 I moved on. FWIW, I am using an Echo Layla24 laptop, and a MOTU = 2408 w/ my=20 desktop. If you are using a PC and have questions about either of = these=20 units, I will be more than happy to give you what info I=20 can.
     Marc=20
------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C28A80.4A867D10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 12 23:43:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10518; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:39:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:39:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DD1D695.6FF48C2F@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:35:32 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WAY OT: Re: MIKO, please leave this list References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5Sgnh.A.8jC.ydd09@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com glenn wrote: > showoffy ego bullshit in response to the prescence of newfound woman on the > list. Profound posts, flagrant use of unnecesarily large words and complex > logic Damn, dude, you just described my entire six-year contribution to Looper's Delight! :-() --Dre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 00:33:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15665; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 00:33:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 00:33:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c28ad5$e1fb38c0$9c63f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200211121650.LAA27033@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: HOORAY FOR US!!!!! Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:31:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Howdy my fellow loopers, Every now and then you read something or hear something (like the first time I heard Jungle/Drum & Bass on a car commercial) that indicates that things are changing. Today, I read the little preview of the Amy X Neuburg/John Whooley show at the Cayuga Vault last week. In it, it says: "Critics sing the praises of her ebullient and miraculous vocals, while professors from Mills College CCM awarded her a masters in electronic music, which may have fueled the presupposition that Neuburg is one of the most brilliant looping artists of our time....." Well, ladies and gentlemen, that's the first time that I've ever read a mainstream press reference to a looping artist without any explanation of what the term meant. The journalist talks about looping as if everyone knows what they are talking about. It's started folks................I knew it would. Far Fucking Out!!! yours, a very happy Rick Walker p.s. This is even cooler because Amy, like list member Andre LaFosse purposefully eschews being characterized, specifically as a looping artist. p.p.s. I now fully expect Richard Zvonar to direct me some article in an electronic music magazine from 1971 refering to someone as a looping artist................LOL From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 01:05:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18353; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 01:05:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 01:05:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:49:42 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: HOORAY FOR US!!!!! In-reply-to: <002b01c28ad5$e1fb38c0$9c63f93f@global> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200211121650.LAA27033@hemlock.violacea.com> <002b01c28ad5$e1fb38c0$9c63f93f@global> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:31 PM -0800 11/12/02, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: >p.p.s. I now fully expect Richard Zvonar to direct me some article in an >electronic music magazine from 1971 refering to someone as a looping >artist................LOL Nah... Back then the term "minimalism" wasn't even in general use by the press. We used to call it "pattern music." -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 01:21:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19378; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 01:20:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 01:20:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c28adc$a97ee8a0$610ba044@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: endless knee-jerk posts... two solutions Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 01:19:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at out001.verizon.net from [68.160.11.97] at Wed, 13 Nov 2002 00:19:45 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Folks - There seem to be tons of these knee-jerk, little comments that make the majority of the posts here. It's cluttering up the potential for more meaningful exchanges. It's driving people away. I'd like to offer two suggestions: 1) If you feel you're getting to much e-mail, could yuo try subscribing to the DIGEST version of this great list? I find when people do that, they round up their thoughts into ONE e-mail, instead of FIVE e-mails. 2) Could the "frequent contributors" please leave some space for others to be heard. Like in music, if you're making all the noise, you're not leaving any room for others to contribute. Perhaps limiting yourself to ONE e-mail a day would be a start. Thanks. David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 01:52:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20900; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 01:49:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 01:49:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004a01c28ae0$baab6fa0$610ba044@hppav> From: "David" To: Subject: Gig Spam - Looping In Boston, Fri Nov 15 -- Super-Cannes @ Milky Way, Jamaica Plain Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 01:48:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0047_01C28AB6.D1678AA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at out001.verizon.net from [68.160.11.97] at Wed, 13 Nov 2002 00:48:55 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <0bXPIC.A.FGF.3Xf09@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C28AB6.D1678AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dudes + Dudettes - There'll be a whole lot of loopin' goin' on in Boston this Friday, 15th = November at the Milky Way Lounge & Lanes in Jamaica Plain. Milky Way Lounge & Lanes, 403-405 Centre Street, Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 Music starts at 9:15 Here's something (incredibly flattering) about the show listed at: = http://www.planetjp.org/milkywaylistings.html Super Cannes, featuring some of Boston's most innovative musicians = responsible for so many great collaborations (Uzi, Womb to Womb, Cxema, = El Dopa, .little a., UNDO, Auto 66, et al), are a three piece rocktronic = outfit that brings techno, punk and ambient together in audio splendor. = Their live CD is one for the ages. They'll be performing with Oranje, a = duo of bassist/loopiest Dan Soltzberg (ghost 7) and vocalist Theresa = Soltzberg. Oranje is an experimental mix of rock, dub, noise and layered = melody. The jazzier Rebecca Wientraub, who is not unlike Portishead = meets Elizabeth Fraser (Cocteau Twins, Massive Attack), will perform a = set as well. So now you know! 9pm. $7. =20 As always, bringing your consciousness, however you will, is encouraged. David=20 So little of what might happen does happen. -- Salvador Dali ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C28AB6.D1678AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dudes + = Dudettes=20 -
 
There'll be a whole lot of = loopin' goin' on=20 in Boston this Friday,=20 15th November at the Milky Way Lounge & Lanes in Jamaica=20 Plain.
 
Milky Way = Lounge &=20 Lanes, 403-405 Centre Street, Jamaica Plain, MA=20 02130
Music starts = at=20 9:15
 
Here's something (incredibly = flattering)=20 about the show listed at: http://www.planetjp.org/milkywaylistings.html<= /DIV>
 
Super Cannes, featuring some of Boston=92s = most=20 innovative musicians=20 responsible for so many great collaborations (Uzi, Womb to=20 Womb, Cxema, El Dopa, .little a., UNDO, Auto=20 66, et al), are a three piece rocktronic outfit that = brings=20 techno, punk and ambient together in audio splendor. Their live CD is = one for=20 the ages. They=92ll be performing with Oranje, a duo of = bassist/loopiest=20 Dan Soltzberg (ghost 7) and vocalist Theresa = Soltzberg.=20 Oranje is an experimental mix of rock, dub, noise and layered melody. = The=20 jazzier Rebecca Wientraub, who is not unlike Portishead meets = Elizabeth=20 Fraser (Cocteau Twins, Massive Attack), will perform a set as well. So = now you=20 know! 9pm. $7.   
 
As always, bringing your consciousness, however = you will,=20 is encouraged.
 
David
 
So little of what might happen does = happen.
--=20 Salvador Dali
------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C28AB6.D1678AA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 03:38:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA28201; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 03:30:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 03:30:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021113082957.16290.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 00:29:57 -0800 (PST) From: charlotte moorman Subject: King crimson and clover (over and over...) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi- i know its late but i'm writing anyway! ha! PUSSYKITTY rehearsal was great, and i'm inspired to get a cd (even a demo cd) together quick! thanks to soul sister GODDESS, and RICK wanting to hear my loopy musings. what a great list you have! its a cool and smart group of sound-artists (who as we know, will eventually be responsible for saving the world from itself)!!! better than a stupid bar scene, some cute guys (yum), and girls (yum), but REALLY ignorant and self-absorbed people mostly, talking loud about nothing.. i got a yamaha su200 sampler from a friend (loan), and it changed my life today. you all are so accomplished, and the information is so good. so DON"T FIGHT! hahahah be good boys!!! and remember, smart boys are the sexiest!!! ay evol ettolrahc __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 03:45:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29041; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 03:42:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 03:42:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 00:43:15 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: American Composers Forum Technology Workshop 11/16 In-reply-to: <20021113082957.16290.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1174945390==_ma============" References: <20021113082957.16290.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2iT6dD.A.AFH.oBh09@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1174945390==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" This is short notice, but we still have a few spaces open for a Techology Workshop this Saturday, presented by American Composers Forum of Los Angeles. The day-long workshop will focus on the use of analog and digital electronics for performance, and we intend to approach the topic from several angles. Short performance demonstrations by our guest artists will set the stage for a series of lecture/demonstrations on audio systems, effects processing, and control systems, followed by three concurrent lab sessions where small groups of participants can spend two hours in hands-on exploration of some of the concepts and technologies described. Examples of topic we'll cover are: amplification of acoustic instruments, the ins and outs of audio mixers, performing with effects processors, live sampling and looping, MIDI control of mixing and effects, alternative controllers, how to plug anything into anything without blowing it all up, etc. The participants who have registered so far run the gamut from undergraduate students seeking basic information on electroacoustic performance to established composers wanting a refresher course and introduction to the current technology. We intend to tailor the presentations and labs as much as possible to the personal interests of the participants. Here are the particulars: When: Saturday, November 16, 2002 9:30 AM - 5:30 PM Where: Tuttomedia Studio 312 Fifth Avenue (at Rose) Venice, CA 90291 Who: Tutors Miriam Kolar, David Javelosa, and Richard Zvonar with guest artists Marty Walker and Mary Lou Newmark What: The first acf/LA Technology Workshop: "Live Electronics" Cost: $15.00 for ACF members and registered students $30.00 for all others Schedule: 09:30-10:00 registration/coffee time 10:00-11:00 Miriam Kolar on Audio Systems 11:00-12:30 Richard Zvonar on Effects Processing David Javelosa on Control Systems 12:30-02:00 lunch break 02:00-03:00 group discussion, Q & A 03:00-05:00 individual lab sessions with the three tutors 05:00-05:30 wrap-up If you can't make it, tell a friend! -- >------| || ||| ||||| |||||||| ||||||||||||| ||||||||||||||||||||||------< American Composers Forum, Los Angeles - Technology Workshops >------|||||||||||||||||||||| ||||||||||||| |||||||| ||||| ||| || |------< Need more info?: (818) 788-2202 or =========================================================================== If you want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe tekWorx -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1174945390==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" American Composers Forum Technology Workshop 11/16
This is short notice, but we still have a few spaces open for a Techology Workshop this Saturday, presented by American Composers Forum of Los Angeles.

The day-long workshop will focus on the use of analog and digital electronics for performance, and we intend to approach the topic from several angles. Short performance demonstrations by our guest artists will set the stage for a series of lecture/demonstrations on audio systems, effects processing, and control systems, followed by three concurrent lab sessions where small groups of participants can spend two hours in hands-on exploration of some of the concepts and technologies described.

Examples of topic we'll cover are: amplification of acoustic instruments, the ins and outs of audio mixers, performing with effects processors, live sampling and looping, MIDI control of mixing and effects, alternative controllers, how to plug anything into anything without blowing it all up, etc.

The participants who have registered so far run the gamut from undergraduate students seeking basic information on electroacoustic performance to established composers wanting a refresher course and introduction to the current technology. We intend to tailor the presentations and labs as much as possible to the personal interests of the participants.

Here are the particulars:


When:   Saturday, November 16, 2002
        9:30 AM - 5:30 PM

Where:  Tuttomedia Studio
        312 Fifth Avenue (at Rose)  
        Venice, CA 90291       

Who:    Tutors Miriam Kolar, David Javelosa, and Richard Zvonar
        with guest artists Marty Walker and Mary Lou Newmark

What:   The first acf/LA Technology Workshop: "Live Electronics"

Cost:   $15.00 for ACF members and registered students
        $30.00 for all others

Schedule:

09:30-10:00     registration/coffee time

10:00-11:00     Miriam Kolar on Audio Systems

11:00-12:30     Richard Zvonar on Effects Processing
                David Javelosa on Control Systems

12:30-02:00     lunch break

02:00-03:00     group discussion, Q & A

03:00-05:00     individual lab sessions with the three tutors

05:00-05:30     wrap-up


If you can't make it, tell a friend!


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--============_-1174945390==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 03:50:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29688; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 03:47:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 03:47:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021113084707.59025.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 00:47:07 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Anti-Authorität Erziehung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It reminds me of an issue my wife presencenced here in a supermarket in Germany. A kid about 5 years old starts pushing the shopping car against an old woman who was also in front waiting in line at a cashiers.She tells him a few times to stop but he continues laughing her out.Then the old woman gets angry and tells the mother who had been quietly witnessing this all along to do something about her son.She responds by saying that her son is modern anti authority educated and she should solve the problem directly with the boy.Then a guy standing behind her suddently takes a bottle of honey from his shopping car,opens it up and poors it on the mother head.She looks at him in awe and starts yelling "for christ sake are you crazy what are you doing!!?" he says, "sorry i am also anti authority educated".Then all the people waiting behind him started to applause and bought him bottles of honey! > > I applaud you for speaking your mind and not > scumbing to political > correctness. This is a community > and it should have the means to protect itself. The > web has millions of > outlets for "ego > masturbation." LD isn't one of them (usually!) and > shouldn't become one. I > HATE the "It's all good" > bullshit. It's not all good. Some things are bad. > This is a forum for a > specific topic. OK, it's > a broad based topic, but a topic none the less. If > each of us wrote a dozen > emails about whatever > came into their mind, what would this list be? > > It is not rude to ask Miko to leave. > > He can't control himself (obviously). It would be > like saying, "You can't > through Mark out of the > movie theatre for BBQing. He was hungry. It's a > free country!" Movie > theatres are *bad* places to > roast up a good hamburger. LD is a bad place to > stroke your ego. I hate > fucking liberals that think > everyone should be allowed to do everything until > everything turns into weak > piss water. Have a > backbone. If you like Miko's posts, say so, but > don't say, "Sure he's rude > and idiotic, but that's > not reason to make him leave." That is stupid. > > Please Miko, if you can not control yourself, go > elsewhere. Start a > religion, that should work fine > for you, and give you a tax break too. I'm sorry > about your mental illness' > but I've got a bunch of > issues of my own to deal with. Sorry. No time. > > Mark > > S V G wrote: > > > Since I receive this LD mailing in digest > form, I have no way of > deleting an irrelevant > > poster from my mailbox other than switching to > individual email delivery > or unsubscribing. > > > > Of the hundreds of emails that Miko has > posted since he or she > joined, not one of them is > > about looping nor does his/her music contain any > looping content that I > can perceive. > > > > Miko's self description of his/her writing is > "ego masturbation". > > > > The question is, how much of this stuff do we > put up with before > taking some sort of action? > > Two people to my knowledge have unsubscribed so > far specifically because > of Miko. > > > > I am here to talk about the craft of Looping > and related items. I'd > like to get on with it > > without a lot of crap cluttering up my mailbox. I > said it earlier and > I'll say it again. If Miko > > isn't gone soon, I will be. > > > > I apologize if this post offends anyone. > > > > SVG > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos > > http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 05:28:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA05185; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 05:25:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 05:25:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a801c28afe$b73dc480$9c63f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200211130652.BAA21315@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Not Underestimating an Audiences Ability to Understand our Process Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 02:23:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: <1Ppko.A.dQB.Lii09@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com beautiful post, Mark....................I, too, think that most musicians UNDERESTIMATE the intelligence, and interest of audiences. It's all about communication, isn't it...........whether we're playing or discussing our process. If an audience member doesn't speak 'gear', it's up to us, I think, to figure out a way to communicate the process. I have found that there is a distinctly different response to pre-recorded and live recorded loop tracks with audience members. One of the things that I particularly love my Repeater (when the damn thing works..:-) for is that I can take a found object like a brass candy dish; gong it with my thumb and then manipulate the overtones of the gonged sound with the chamber of my mouth (acoustic vocoding, as it were) and loop a rhythmic phrase using this technique. The audience can see me do this........turning an ordinary object into a loop and then I can pick up the wind synth and play the resulting rhythmic loop in a diatonic way. I've had many audience members get really excited about this 'visceral' connection to the looping process and, indeed, several of them have gone out and bought looping devices as a consequence (if only we had one more year of gigging before Electrix went out of business.........we might have created a bunch more sales for them and they might have made it). later, Rick Walker Mark Sottilaro wrote (about the professed inability of a fellow looper to reach an audience member with an explanation of their technical process) > I don't know about this. I think a lot of people can get what you do if you use > good analogies and don't get too technical. Last weekend I played a rave, and I > had a woman ask if I had prerecorded my background tracks. I just told her, "In > a sense, yes. I recorded them here and had them immediately play back. Kind of > like being a DJ, but starting with a blank record. First you've got to put > something on the record, then I use all sorts of computer gear to screw with > that recording." I didn't get a blank stare at all. People can be open... if > they care. I usually never go into what I'm doing if they don't express an > interest. Give a brief overview, and "black box" the complicated stuff. If > they want to know more, they'll ask. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 05:52:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06671; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 05:49:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 05:49:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:49:13 +0100 Subject: Re: Not Underestimating an Audiences Ability to Understand our Process Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <00a801c28afe$b73dc480$9c63f93f@global> Message-Id: <8C1C7E5E-F6F5-11D6-9FF5-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, November 13, 2002, at 11:23 AM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > beautiful post, Mark....................I, too, think that most > musicians UNDERESTIMATE the intelligence, and interest of audiences. I'm not so sure.... :) People have come up to me after my performances and asked "So did you compose the backing CD yourself?".... or "Why are you pressing those buttons on the floor when I play?". It would not be so bad except that most of the people watch me perform for about 10 minutes before coming up to me and asking those questions.... *sigh* I always take my time and explain the process to them, and even then, some of the people do not believe me that everything is created and looped on the fly. :) > One of the things that I particularly love my Repeater (when > the damn thing I've been having some serious problems with using the Repeater lately. So much so, that I think that I will stop using it for live performances and continue using my trusted DL4. One major problem that keeps cropping up is when I record a one bar loop, and then multiply it a couple of times to create a 16 beat section. Often, the tempo slows down, and on rare occasions, there are breaks in the recording as if the Repeater has failed to copy the audio throughout the new track. Its frustrating, and embarrassing..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 08:02:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16671; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:59:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:59:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Not Underestimating an Audiences Ability to Understand our Process Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:59:16 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000601c28b14$79003a20$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <8C1C7E5E-F6F5-11D6-9FF5-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id HAA16607 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) > People have come up to me after my performances and asked "So did you > compose the > backing CD yourself?".... or "Why are you pressing those > buttons on the floor when I play?". He, he... I have been asked the same questions at gigs ;-) But last week when I performed twice a day at a music fair (both biz and public) I was prepared and started every show with a short speech. Standing by a stage mic and my midi foot controller, with a saxophone hanging around my neck, I told the audience that "nothing you're going to hear is pre recorded / I will create any sound you'll hear with this sax and this guitar (Stratocaster lying on the floor by my feet), I will record parts of what I'm playing and use my feet to cut those audio slices into new music while playing new stuff o top of that". I also said that "I'm using two loop samplers, an Echoplex and a Repeater" and then finally "I'm going to improvise music but of course you can as well use loopers as a tool for composing or performing "normal" music". And then I played for ten to fifteen minutes. Quite often I got the reaction from someone in the audience: "Hey, you should have been recording that!" so I guess no one took it for a backing CD ;-) But I had made a clear point in emptying the memories of both loopers after each song ("now that music is gone for ever... unless some of you were not bootlegging it", stepping the DELETE ALL LOOPS button). One positive effect from these seven gigs was that the very last Repeater in stock was sold the day after (oops, I was saving up for that one ;-). And I had at least two people wanting to buy Echoplexes - but as a sad matter of fact they don't seem to be available here in Sweden at the moment. The second improvisation I did was more clinic-like. I only played the guitar to keep my mouth free for announcing each new step I was taking: like "pitching down two octaves here" or "reversing the Echoplex while in overdub mode" and then I tried to play stuff that made it easy to hear what I was doing. On some occasions I also did a third set after the main audience had left, for only a few very interested people like musicians, producers and journalists. Well, the bottom line is that you can help an audience to understand and appreciate live looping. 'nuff said... Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 08:16:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17964; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:15:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:15:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:13:39 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Not Underestimating an Audiences Ability to Understand our Process To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <014f01c28b16$7bf39ea0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000601c28b14$79003a20$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > > Från: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) > > > People have come up to me after my performances and asked "So did you > > compose the > > backing CD yourself?".... or "Why are you pressing those > > buttons on the floor when I play?". > > > He, he... I have been asked the same questions at gigs ;-) But last > week when I performed twice a day at a music fair (both biz and public) > I was prepared and started every show with a short speech. Standing by a > stage mic and my midi foot controller, with a saxophone hanging around > my neck, I told the audience that "nothing you're going to hear is pre > recorded / I will create any sound you'll hear with this sax and this > guitar (Stratocaster lying on the floor by my feet), I will record parts > of what I'm playing and use my feet to cut those audio slices into new > music while playing new stuff o top of that". I also said that "I'm > using two loop samplers, an Echoplex and a Repeater" and then finally > "I'm going to improvise music but of course you can as well use loopers > as a tool for composing or performing "normal" music". And then I played > for ten to fifteen minutes. > > Quite often I got the reaction from someone in the audience: "Hey, you > should have been recording that!" so I guess no one took it for a > backing CD ;-) But I had made a clear point in emptying the memories of > both loopers after each song ("now that music is gone for ever... unless > some of you were not bootlegging it", stepping the DELETE ALL LOOPS > button). I never have to explain about the looping. People are more interested in my guitars and the music. Once in a while they ask about the pedals, but never about looping. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 08:21:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA18625; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:21:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:21:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00fc01c28b17$e16e3500$75534ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <000601c28b14$79003a20$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <014f01c28b16$7bf39ea0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Re: Not Underestimating an Audiences Ability to Understand our Process Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:23:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I never have to explain about the looping. People are more interested > in my guitars and the music. Once in a while they ask about the pedals, > but never about looping. Each night on the Level 42 and 21st Century Schizoid Band tours I've been giving a very brief explaination of what I'm up to, just so that people who aren't watching too closely will know that it's not on CD - I'm guessing that after my first number, 70-80% of the Level 42 audience think it's a backing track, so I have to undo that one straight away... As it is, I'm getting loads of questions after every gig, in person and via email, about this wonderful looping idea, and did I invent it (of course, I tell them I did, and that no-one else anywhere has ever done it... :o) cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 08:25:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA19150; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:24:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:24:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Not Underestimating an Audiences Ability to Understand our Process Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:24:19 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000701c28b17$f8d989b0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <014f01c28b16$7bf39ea0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2zI98C.A.3qE.HKl09@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I never have to explain about the looping. People are more interested > in my guitars and the music. Once in a while they ask about > the pedals, > but never about looping. > > * David Beardsley Ppl are different ;-) I have no idea of what they are interested in regarding my live playing, but I hope it's the music and not the instruments, pedals or loopers. Anyway I got very good feedback from listeners on doing one strict concert and then another more clinic-like set. I also got booked for a festival later on where the actually asked me to also do the clinic-like set. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 08:27:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA19772; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:26:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:26:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Not Underestimating an Audiences Ability to Understand our Process Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:26:36 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000801c28b18$4a73bc50$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <00fc01c28b17$e16e3500$75534ed5@bigboy> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > As it is, I'm getting loads of questions after every gig, in > person and via email, about this wonderful looping idea, and > did I invent it (of course, I tell them I did, and that > no-one else anywhere has ever done it... :o) > > cheers > > Steve Rock On ;-) / per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 08:28:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA20146; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:27:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:27:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: <147.285abf4.2b03ad23@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:26:59 EST Subject: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_147.285abf4.2b03ad23_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 8.0 for Windows US sub 180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_147.285abf4.2b03ad23_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe --part1_147.285abf4.2b03ad23_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe --part1_147.285abf4.2b03ad23_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 08:44:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA21248; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:44:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:44:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:42:09 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Not Underestimating an Audiences Ability to Understand our Process To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01be01c28b1a$76bb6b80$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000701c28b17$f8d989b0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Resent-Message-ID: <99rCWC.A._KF.Vcl09@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" > > I never have to explain about the looping. People are more interested > > in my guitars and the music. Once in a while they ask about > > the pedals, > > but never about looping. > > > > * David Beardsley > > Ppl are different ;-) I have no idea of what they are interested in > regarding my live playing, but I hope it's the music and not the > instruments, pedals or loopers. Me too. A lot of times people are impressed by the instrument, other times they don't even notice the guitar, I usually get positive feedback. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 09:23:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24819; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:21:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:21:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: live gig mp3 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:20:31 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Not Underestimating an Audiences Ability to Understand our Process Thread-Index: AcKLGSYcP/8voVefQsWsyWKDRg5q7wABUa/A From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2002 14:20:31.0900 (UTC) FILETIME=[D2F035C0:01C28B1F] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id JAA24785 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello, I played another gig last night at vertigo, a club in Bloomingon, IN. It was apretty laid back crowd really, but the stage was decent sized for a change.the mp3 is from the mixing board so quality is not so great, especially on the drum sounds.Anwyay, I used 2 boomerangs and a lexicon Jamman . You can hear an mp3 of some of the show at http://www.dtguitar.com/vertigonov12.mp3 or jsut by vitising my site at http://www.dtguitar.com and click on the link on the home page. let me know what you think. thanks Denis Denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 10:14:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29392; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:12:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:12:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:12:26 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: HOORAY FOR US!!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <049701c28b27$139e44c0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200211121650.LAA27033@hemlock.violacea.com> <002b01c28ad5$e1fb38c0$9c63f93f@global> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At 9:31 PM -0800 11/12/02, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > > >p.p.s. I now fully expect Richard Zvonar to direct me some article in an > >electronic music magazine from 1971 refering to someone as a looping > >artist................LOL > i'm sure they would have done, if that mag had existed back then... > Nah... > > Back then the term "minimalism" wasn't even in general use by the > press. We used to call it "pattern music." > -- > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD isn't all music pattern music? maybe quilted music btw shouldn't we all be offended that the general public doesn't understand quilting better? their lives could be so much richer... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 10:48:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31902; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:47:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:47:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:46:20 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Practice, rehearse, perform To: Per Boysen , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00a401c28b2b$e2b718a0$1912be18@Douglas> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000601c28b14$79003a20$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In bringing music into this world, we may recognize three modes of work: practice rehearsal performance We practice alone so that we may rehearse with other musicians so that we may perform for an audience. Each of these three modes of work may take place on one of three levels: a demonstration an invigoration a drive towards the future - a reception of a higher spirit And each of these levels may be successful or unsuccessful. Per Boysen describes a very successful performance as demonstration: > I was prepared and started every show with a short speech. Standing by a > stage mic and my midi foot controller, with a saxophone hanging around > my neck, I told the audience that "nothing you're going to hear is pre > recorded / I will create any sound you'll hear with this sax and this > guitar (Stratocaster lying on the floor by my feet), I will record parts > of what I'm playing and use my feet to cut those audio slices into new > music while playing new stuff o top of that". I also said that "I'm > using two loop samplers, an Echoplex and a Repeater" and then finally > "I'm going to improvise music but of course you can as well use loopers > as a tool for composing or performing "normal" music". And then I played > for ten to fifteen minutes. > The second improvisation I did was more clinic-like. I only played the > guitar to keep my mouth free for announcing each new step I was taking: > like "pitching down two octaves here" or "reversing the Echoplex while > in overdub mode" and then I tried to play stuff that made it easy to > hear what I was doing. > > On some occasions I also did a third set after the main audience had > left, for only a few very interested people like musicians, producers > and journalists. > > Well, the bottom line is that you can help an audience to understand and > appreciate live looping. 'nuff said... There is much more to be said about this, but not yet. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 11:33:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02981; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:29:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:29:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:26:30 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: WAY OT: Re: MIKO, please leave this list To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DD27D35.45067243@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <3DD1D695.6FF48C2F@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: <0YO2-.A.Ot.E3n09@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre, how could you forget the copious sarcasm? I consider you my #1 rival in this arena. Mark Sottilaro Andre LaFosse wrote: > glenn wrote: > > > showoffy ego bullshit in response to the prescence of newfound woman on the > > list. Profound posts, flagrant use of unnecesarily large words and complex > > logic > > Damn, dude, you just described my entire six-year contribution to > Looper's Delight! > > :-() > > --Dre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 11:36:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03681; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:33:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:33:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:30:21 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: HOORAY FOR US!!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DD27E1D.23B11B7A@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200211121650.LAA27033@hemlock.violacea.com> <002b01c28ad5$e1fb38c0$9c63f93f@global> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't now Rick. Does it count in Santa Cruz? Berkeley? Ithaca? Austin? Now show me this in Sayerville NJ. and I'll be amazed. a-raining on your parade, Mark Sottilaro "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: > Howdy my fellow loopers, > > Every now and then you read something or hear something (like the first time > I heard > Jungle/Drum & Bass on a car commercial) that indicates that things are > changing. > > Today, I read the little preview of the Amy X Neuburg/John Whooley show at > the > Cayuga Vault last week. > > In it, it says: > > "Critics sing the praises of her ebullient and miraculous vocals, while > professors from Mills College CCM awarded her a masters in electronic music, > which may have fueled the presupposition that Neuburg is one of the most > brilliant looping artists of our time....." > > Well, ladies and gentlemen, that's the first time that I've ever read a > mainstream press > reference to a looping artist without any explanation of what the term > meant. The journalist talks about looping as if everyone knows what they > are talking about. > > It's started folks................I knew it would. > > Far Fucking Out!!! > > yours, a very happy Rick Walker > > p.s. This is even cooler because Amy, like list member Andre LaFosse > purposefully eschews > being characterized, specifically as a looping artist. > > p.p.s. I now fully expect Richard Zvonar to direct me some article in an > electronic music magazine from 1971 refering to someone as a looping > artist................LOL From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 11:44:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04724; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:42:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:42:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021113164136.92554.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:41:36 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: endless knee-jerk posts... two solutions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002f01c28adc$a97ee8a0$610ba044@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- David wrote: > There seem to be tons of these knee-jerk, little comments that make the > majority of the posts here. It's cluttering up the potential for more > meaningful exchanges. It's driving people away. > > I'd like to offer two suggestions: > > 1) If you feel you're getting to much e-mail, could yuo try subscribing to > the DIGEST version of this great list? > > 2) Could the "frequent contributors" please leave some space for others to > be heard. > Like in music, if you're making all the noise, you're not leaving any > room for others to contribute. 3) If someone is obviously trying to get attention by making lots of off topic posts, the best way to insure they do MORE of them is to reply or respond. If a post doesn't interest you, just delete it, don't reply. Replying exacerbates the problem. 3a) People's email filters won't be effective if you reply to posts from the primary "offenders", since your reply posts will probably not be filtered. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 11:47:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05027; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:44:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:44:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021113164401.96364.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:44:01 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: King crimson and clover (over and over...) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20021113082957.16290.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- charlotte moorman wrote: > i'm inspired to get a cd (even a demo cd) together quick! thanks to > soul sister GODDESS, and RICK wanting to hear my loopy > musings. It's always interesting to hear other people's work. Why don't you post some mp3s somewhere? Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 11:58:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06141; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:54:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:54:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:51:35 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: Not Underestimating an Audiences Ability to Understand our Process To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DD28317.86ED4872@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <8C1C7E5E-F6F5-11D6-9FF5-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_r0sEB.A.DfB.MOo09@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project)" wrote: > > People have come up to me after my performances and asked "So did you > compose the > backing CD yourself?".... or "Why are you pressing those buttons on > the floor when I play?". It would not be so bad except that most of > the people watch me perform for about 10 minutes before coming up to > me and asking those questions.... *sigh* Well, I didn't say all of your audience is going to be sharp. I was playing a private rave where most of the people were young, interested in electronic music, and a large group of them are in the high tech sector. So, I was kind of shooting fish in a barrel, you might say. My response it to ingore those people if you can. I now it's tough. No email filter for reality. > I've been having some serious problems with using the Repeater lately. > So much so, that I think that I will stop using it for live > performances and continue using my trusted DL4. One major problem that > keeps cropping up is when I record a one bar loop, and then multiply > it a couple of times to create a 16 beat section. Often, the tempo > slows down, and on rare occasions, there are breaks in the recording > as if the Repeater has failed to copy the audio throughout the new > track. Its frustrating, and embarrassing..... I'm sorry to hear about your Repeater. I honestly rarely use the multiply function, so I've never experienced this. Believe me, I'm still sad/pissed at what happened with Electrix. I thought I was having issues with MIDI synch recently. It turned out to be the MIDI splitter having a bad contact. Boy was I relieved. I hope you can find a solution to your looping woes. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 12:01:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06541; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:57:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:57:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DD2854C.AEFADE20@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:00:59 -0600 From: Kirby Shelstad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: HOORAY FOR US/will work for food References: <200211121650.LAA27033@hemlock.violacea.com> <002b01c28ad5$e1fb38c0$9c63f93f@global> <3DD27E1D.23B11B7A@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Every now and then you read something or hear something (like the first time > I heard > Jungle/Drum & Bass on a car commercial) that indicates that things are > changing. One of the things that has changed is that ad agencies now have a guy on staff making hourly wage cutting loops together in Acid or the like for commercial spots, thereby eliminating the expense of composers and musicians and their resultant royalties. a rather large savings I would imagine. PS. anybody got the word on the new Digitech GNX3? k From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 12:05:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08712; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:04:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:04:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: HOORAY FOR US/will work for food Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:03:23 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001d01c28b36$9335b2e0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <3DD2854C.AEFADE20@mindspring.com> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA08660 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: Kirby Shelstad [mailto:kirbyshelstad@mindspring.com] > PS. anybody got the word on the new Digitech GNX3? > > k A couple of posts two weeks ago. Please check the archives. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 12:11:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09103; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:06:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:06:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: HOORAY FOR US/will work for food Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:05:38 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001e01c28b36$e3d7f0f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <3DD2854C.AEFADE20@mindspring.com> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA08925 Resent-Message-ID: <2eo1Q.A.sLC.mZo09@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Kirby Shelstad [mailto:kirbyshelstad@mindspring.com] > PS. anybody got the word on the new Digitech GNX3? > > k A couple of posts here two weeks ago. Please search the archives. Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 12:15:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09894; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:14:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:14:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:10:09 -0500 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DD28771.3FDFDFC9@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,zh-TW References: <000601c28b14$79003a20$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <00a401c28b2b$e2b718a0$1912be18@Douglas> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What about invent experiment compose play produce ? Douglas Baldwin wrote: > In bringing music into this world, we may recognize three modes of work: > practice > rehearsal > performance > > We practice alone so that we may rehearse with other musicians so that we > may perform for an audience. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 12:28:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10933; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:27:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:27:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:27:31 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: HOORAY FOR US/will work for food To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <050b01c28b39$f23d8530$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200211121650.LAA27033@hemlock.violacea.com> <002b01c28ad5$e1fb38c0$9c63f93f@global> <3DD27E1D.23B11B7A@zerocrossing.net> <3DD2854C.AEFADE20@mindspring.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wouldn't that person be a composer and musician? > > Every now and then you read something or hear something (like the first time > > I heard > > Jungle/Drum & Bass on a car commercial) that indicates that things are > > changing. > > > One of the things that has changed is that ad agencies now have a guy on staff > making hourly wage cutting loops together in Acid or the like for commercial spots, > thereby eliminating the expense of composers and musicians and their resultant > royalties. a rather large savings I would imagine. > > PS. anybody got the word on the new Digitech GNX3? > > k > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 12:32:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11406; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:31:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:31:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Practice, rehearse, perform Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:30:27 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001f01c28b3a$5b9942d0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <3DD28771.3FDFDFC9@optonline.net> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA11327 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You might also try: "Practice / practice even harder / forget it all / get up there and play" ;-) Cheers / per > Från: Greg Waltzer [mailto:gwaltzer@optonline.net] > > What about > invent > experiment > compose > play > produce > ? > > Douglas Baldwin wrote: > > > In bringing music into this world, we may recognize three modes of > > work: practice rehearsal > > performance > > > > We practice alone so that we may rehearse with other > musicians so that > > we may perform for an audience. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 12:35:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11867; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:34:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:34:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021113173425.99060.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:34:25 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: FCB1010 and Repeater, together again To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <050b01c28b39$f23d8530$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got an FCB1010 to control my Repeater recently and got around to the initial cut at programming it last night. Thanks to the many discussions of the pitfalls on Loopers Delight and RepeaterUsers forums, my inital experience was a pleasant one. Simply knowing to add one to the PC numbers (except for Record), but not the CC numbers made it go a lot smoother. Many thanks to Michael LaMeyer and others who have posted info on using these two devices together. I had one slightly odd thing happen. I turned the FCB1010 off last night, but not the Repeater. This morning when I turned it back on, the Repeater went into some weird brain-dead mode where the play and record functions refused to function (even from the front panel). It also flashed a mem limit (????) error at me at one point (after pressing play...). The last time I saw it do something like that, it crashed shortly thereafter, so I just power cycled it and it cleared it all up. I'm wondering if the FCB1010 sent something on the midi interface as it powered up which hosed up the Repeater? Anyone have any experience with this? Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 12:53:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13071; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:53:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:53:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:43:10 +0100 Subject: Re: Not Underestimating an Audiences Ability to Understand our Process Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3DD28317.86ED4872@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: <60833301-F72F-11D6-9FF5-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, November 13, 2002, at 05:51 PM, Mark wrote: > I'm sorry to hear about your Repeater. I honestly rarely use the > multiply > function, so I've never experienced this. I'd be interested if anyone else has the same problem with their Repeater... just to make sure that I don't have a faulty unit or bad CFC card. Record a 4 beat (or any short metronome type loop)... after pressing the 'stop record' button, hit the multiply button twice in quick succession. What I get is a serious slow-down of the loop, and like I said, sometimes breaks in the audio. Its a bastard, as I really wanted to create a quick rhythmical bass line, extend it quickly, then drop back into record and add a string run.... *sigh* > I hope you can find a solution to your looping woes. The only solution I can think of is an EDP, but alas, my finances are up poo-creek and I seem to have mislaid my paddle. If anyone wants to swap a Repeater for an EDP, then I'm certainly definitely interested :) In the meantime, I'll just continue trying to squeeze as much as I can out of my beloved and battered DL4 :) -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 13:02:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15369; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:01:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:01:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DD29462.8FAE7FC@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:05:22 -0600 From: Kirby Shelstad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: HOORAY FOR US/will work for food References: <200211121650.LAA27033@hemlock.violacea.com> <002b01c28ad5$e1fb38c0$9c63f93f@global> <3DD27E1D.23B11B7A@zerocrossing.net> <3DD2854C.AEFADE20@mindspring.com> <050b01c28b39$f23d8530$080210ac@jpalmer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would guess sometimes yes, sometimes no I don't mean to imply that it's not a creative and viable gig but that a musician/composers value is much reduced in this instance. k jim palmer wrote: > wouldn't that person be a composer and musician? > > > > Every now and then you read something or hear something (like the first time > > > I heard > > > Jungle/Drum & Bass on a car commercial) that indicates that things are > > > changing. > > > > > > One of the things that has changed is that ad agencies now have a guy on staff > > making hourly wage cutting loops together in Acid or the like for commercial spots, > > thereby eliminating the expense of composers and musicians and their resultant > > royalties. a rather large savings I would imagine. > > > > PS. anybody got the word on the new Digitech GNX3? > > > > k > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 13:37:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17914; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:36:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:36:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <183.11c9a203.2b03f53b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:34:35 EST Subject: Re: SV: Practice, rehearse, perform To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_183.11c9a203.2b03f53b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 8.0 for Windows US sub 230 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_183.11c9a203.2b03f53b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/13/02 12:31:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, per@boysen.se= =20 writes: > You might also try: >=20 > "Practice / practice even harder / forget it all / get up there and > play" ;-) >=20 > Cheers >=20 > / per >=20 that is the best sumary ever of the entire "practice-perform-process", IMHO=20 :) Warmest Regards, John Price/ "AKASH" The World's Most Erotic Band=A0=20 http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic http://groups.= yahoo.com/group/akashmusicnewsgroup "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" --part1_183.11c9a203.2b03f53b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/13/02 12:31:24 PM Eastern Standa= rd Time, per@boysen.se writes:

You might also try:

"Practice / practice even harder / forget it all / get up there and
play"  ;-)

Cheers

/ per


that is the best sumary ever of the entire "practice-perform-process", IMHO=20= :)

Warmest Regards,
John Price/ "AKASH"
The World's Most Erotic Band=A0
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic<= BR> http://groups.= yahoo.com/group/akashmusicnewsgroup
"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"

 --part1_183.11c9a203.2b03f53b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 14:49:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25456; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:47:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:47:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c28b4f$00bed9a0$e1a45e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: <60833301-F72F-11D6-9FF5-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Subject: Repeater Quirks? (was: Re: Not Underestimating an Audi...) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:58:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stuart, Maybe it's the "hit the multiply button twice in quick succession" that gives Repeater a problem? I know you are in live performance situations, but if you can afford the time to let things digest, perhaps it would be a happier 'Peater? (Similar to the message: Not Ready?) On another note, I recently hit the Stop Record, and it flashed on and off...it didn't crash, and went to off with a later push. I wonder if I somehow armed it for recording on audio impulse, but that's weird, since it had already been recording. Sound familiar to anyone? David A. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project)" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:43 AM Subject: Re: Not Underestimating an Audiences Ability to Understand our Process > > On Wednesday, November 13, 2002, at 05:51 PM, Mark wrote: > > > I'm sorry to hear about your Repeater. I honestly rarely use the > > multiply > > function, so I've never experienced this. > > I'd be interested if anyone else has the same problem with their > Repeater... just to make sure that I don't have a faulty unit or bad > CFC card. > > Record a 4 beat (or any short metronome type loop)... after pressing > the 'stop record' button, hit the multiply button twice in quick > succession. What I get is a serious slow-down of the loop, and like I > said, sometimes breaks in the audio. Its a bastard, as I really wanted > to create a quick rhythmical bass line, extend it quickly, then drop > back into record and add a string run.... *sigh* > > > I hope you can find a solution to your looping woes. > > The only solution I can think of is an EDP, but alas, my finances are > up poo-creek and I seem to have mislaid my paddle. If anyone wants to > swap a Repeater for an EDP, then I'm certainly definitely interested :) > In the meantime, I'll just continue trying to squeeze as much as I can > out of my beloved and battered DL4 :) > > > -- > Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 15:04:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28218; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 15:03:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 15:03:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20021113115645.01c6de30@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: the truth is out there Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:57:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Not Underestimating an Audiences Ability to Understand our Process In-Reply-To: <3DD28317.86ED4872@zerocrossing.net> References: <8C1C7E5E-F6F5-11D6-9FF5-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Now that's something I would buy!!! At 08:51 AM 2002/11/13 -0800, Mark wrote: >No email filter for reality. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 16:02:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30934; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 15:58:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 15:58:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DD2AE85.DF9A0D8B@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:56:53 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Quirks? (was: Re: Not Underestimating an Audi...) References: <60833301-F72F-11D6-9FF5-0003934B4712@solostring.com> <002701c28b4f$00bed9a0$e1a45e82@audiows> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You know, I've never had to do this, but a good reinstall of the OS couldn't hurt. I'm not sure if the Repeater is subject to OS corruption, but judging on how it was released, I wouldn't be surprised. I've got two Repeaters, and they both seem to run very smoothly... if you don't push them by trying to push buttons too fast, or use a slow CFC card. I'll try what Stuart's attempting tonight and see if I can duplicate that problem. When I was doing beta testing for OS 1.1, I don't remember anyone complaining about that exact issue, but that was a long time ago. Mark Sottilaro David Auker wrote: > Stuart, > > Maybe it's the "hit the multiply button twice in quick succession" that > gives Repeater a problem? I know you are in live performance situations, > but if you can afford the time to let things digest, perhaps it would be a > happier 'Peater? (Similar to the message: Not Ready?) > > On another note, I recently hit the Stop Record, and it flashed on and > off...it didn't crash, and went to off with a later push. I wonder if I > somehow armed it for recording on audio impulse, but that's weird, since it > had already been recording. Sound familiar to anyone? > > David A. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project)" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:43 AM > Subject: Re: Not Underestimating an Audiences Ability to Understand our > Process > > > > > On Wednesday, November 13, 2002, at 05:51 PM, Mark wrote: > > > > > I'm sorry to hear about your Repeater. I honestly rarely use the > > > multiply > > > function, so I've never experienced this. > > > > I'd be interested if anyone else has the same problem with their > > Repeater... just to make sure that I don't have a faulty unit or bad > > CFC card. > > > > Record a 4 beat (or any short metronome type loop)... after pressing > > the 'stop record' button, hit the multiply button twice in quick > > succession. What I get is a serious slow-down of the loop, and like I > > said, sometimes breaks in the audio. Its a bastard, as I really wanted > > to create a quick rhythmical bass line, extend it quickly, then drop > > back into record and add a string run.... *sigh* > > > > > I hope you can find a solution to your looping woes. > > > > The only solution I can think of is an EDP, but alas, my finances are > > up poo-creek and I seem to have mislaid my paddle. If anyone wants to > > swap a Repeater for an EDP, then I'm certainly definitely interested :) > > In the meantime, I'll just continue trying to squeeze as much as I can > > out of my beloved and battered DL4 :) > > > > > > -- > > Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 16:47:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02686; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:45:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:45:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c28b5d$f6af53e0$2b1f0150@q9s3n6> From: "Chi" To: References: <001f01c28b3a$5b9942d0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 21:45:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Phew, thank goodness. I thought I was in the wrong place for a minute there :) Chi >^.^< ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 5:30 PM Subject: SV: Practice, rehearse, perform > You might also try: > > "Practice / practice even harder / forget it all / get up there and > play" ;-) > > Cheers > > / per > > > > Från: Greg Waltzer [mailto:gwaltzer@optonline.net] > > > > What about > > invent > > experiment > > compose > > play > > produce > > ? > > > > Douglas Baldwin wrote: > > > > > In bringing music into this world, we may recognize three modes of > > > work: practice rehearsal > > > performance > > > > > > We practice alone so that we may rehearse with other > > musicians so that > > > we may perform for an audience. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 17:00:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05416; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:59:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:59:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:56:39 EST Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f5.250fbbd3.2b042497_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f5.250fbbd3.2b042497_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/13/02 10:54:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, coyotelk@optonline.net writes: > We practice alone so that we may rehearse with other musicians so that we > may perform for an audience. > i yearn to play with other musicians but it never happens.....99.9% i play by myself with my boxes, sometimes to an audience.....playing (looping) whatever it is that i do is turning more and more into a crap shoot, i roll dem bones and step on record and i'm off.....so i dont know if there is a difference between: practice, rehearse, perform.....to me its all kismet/zietgiest.....all i know is that the last time i played "out" (rehearsed/performed?) my loops almost killed rick walker, "will you turn that off, its makin me sick!".....i kid you not!.....:).....ahhhh the power.....michael --part1_f5.250fbbd3.2b042497_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/13/02 10:54:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, coyotelk@optonline.net writes:


We practice alone so that we may rehearse with other musicians so that we
may perform for an audience.


i yearn to play with other musicians but it never happens.....99.9% i play by myself with my boxes, sometimes to an audience.....playing (looping) whatever it is that i do is turning more and more into a crap shoot, i roll dem bones and step on record and i'm off.....so i dont know if there is a difference between: practice, rehearse, perform.....to me its all kismet/zietgiest.....all i know is that the last time i played "out" (rehearsed/performed?) my loops almost killed rick walker, "will you turn that off, its makin me sick!".....i kid you not!.....:).....ahhhh the power.....michael --part1_f5.250fbbd3.2b042497_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 17:27:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07023; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:21:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:21:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001f01c28b3a$5b9942d0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> References: <001f01c28b3a$5b9942d0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:24:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: SV: Practice, rehearse, perform Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:30 PM +0100 11/13/02, Per Boysen wrote: >You might also try: > >"Practice / practice even harder / forget it all / get up there and >play" ;-) " Practice makes perfect. Imperfect is better" -- Paul Bley -- Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 17:50:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08656; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:45:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:45:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021113224456.26486.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:44:55 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > i yearn to play with other musicians but it never happens... Interestingly enough, I do play with other people...and I yearn to play with my loops alone too! Neither fully satisfies me. Perhaps finding "the right" combination of people to play with. But that never seems to happen, so playing with others is usually some sort of a compromise. > all i know is that the last time i played "out" > (rehearsed/performed?) my loops almost killed rick walker, "will you turn > that off, its makin me sick!".....i kid you not!.....:).....ahhhh the > power... Perhaps you should have practiced less before you brought him to the gig!? He looked more green then his day-glo plastic! Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 17:54:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09169; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:51:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:51:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:50:38 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: OT - mac switch ads To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <05ac01c28b67$1628cc20$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i find those switch ads pretty annoying, since i went the other way. these made me laugh... http://www.fandango.net/switched.mov http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/uploads/68000/68643_sw_switch.swf From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 18:15:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11605; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:14:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:14:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: SV: Practice, rehearse, perform Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 00:13:22 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000701c28b6a$4339f060$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At 6:30 PM +0100 11/13/02, Per Boysen wrote: > >You might also try: > > > >"Practice / practice even harder / forget it all / get up there and > >play" ;-) > > " Practice makes perfect. Imperfect is better" > > -- Paul Bley In a sense you are right. But if you succeed in "learning it all and then forgetting it all" there won't even be any such things as "perfect" or "imperfect". Only a never ending flow... I meant "practicing to bring out your natural instincts through musical expression". Being able to make music the way you walk, eat, fart or whatever ;-) IMHO that must be the aim for any kind of practicing or rehearsing. / per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 18:26:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12283; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:25:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:25:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c28b6b$da1a1860$8509a044@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <000601c28b14$79003a20$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <00a401c28b2b$e2b718a0$1912be18@Douglas> Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:24:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop016.verizon.net from [68.160.9.133] at Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:24:46 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doug - There are three other modes used to bring music into this world: we also, beg, borrow and steal! And, do I detect some borrowing here... :-) You are of course correct in what you say, however. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Baldwin" To: "Per Boysen" ; Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:46 AM Subject: Practice, rehearse, perform > In bringing music into this world, we may recognize three modes of work: > practice > rehearsal > performance > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 18:56:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14254; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:54:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:54:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <12e.1b09ff65.2b044017@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:53:59 EST Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA14133 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Howdy neighbors, In a message dated 11/13/02 3:15:02 PM, per@boysen.se writes: >Being able to make music the way you walk, eat, fart or >whatever ;-) IMHO that must be the aim for any kind of >practicing or rehearsing. That's about as brilliantly succinct a statement of of the goal of any sort of "artistic discipline" as I have ever heard. That is precisely what is so compelling about folks who are truly "great" at their art/craft -- as it is often said, "They make it look so damn easy." Alas, that apparent "ease" is not achieved without a lot of hard work and preparation -- unless you are one of those rare, benighted souls born with a superfluity of natural talent. For the rest of us though, it is a long, hard slog . . . with no guarantees of ever getting there. 'Tis best to learn to enjoy the journey . . . and be pleased wherever it is you are . . . and eventually end up. I have to continually remind myself of this essential little fact or I'd never manage to overcome the resulting depression over my lack of accomplishment. Some day . . . some day . . . maybe I'll get there . . . maybe. I keep trying anyway . . . and try to enjoy the process in the meantime. Yipee-yi-oh, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 19:06:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16180; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:05:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:05:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021114000501.11707.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:05:01 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Not Underestimating an Audiences Ability to Understand our Process To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00a801c28afe$b73dc480$9c63f93f@global> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: > beautiful post, Mark....................I, too, think that most musicians > UNDERESTIMATE the intelligence, and interest of audiences. Hey, if they don't like our music, they MUST be unintelligent! Right? > One of the things that I particularly love my Repeater (when the damn thing > works..:-) > for is that I can take a found object like a brass candy dish; gong it with > my thumb and then manipulate the overtones of the gonged sound with the > chamber of my mouth (acoustic vocoding, as it were) and loop a rhythmic > phrase using this technique. > > The audience can see me do this........turning an ordinary object into a > loop and then > I can pick up the wind synth and play the resulting rhythmic loop in a > diatonic way. > > I've had many audience members get really excited about this 'visceral' > connection to the looping process ... And it's both visually and aurally interesting to see. I think adding that element of "theater" to the performance may give the music more appeal, even to those who don't "like" the resulting sound. Plus, it's fun! I love shows that incorporate an element of fun in them. I did a demonstration of my looping rig for a friend and his son after I saw your performance in Santa Cruz last month and I used a mic with some things that were sitting around. They loved it when I'd tap on a ceramic mug or thump or blow in a plastic water bottle and the sound would start repeating when I stepped on a switch! The problem that I see with doing little lectures about looping techniques as part of a performance (not your's in particular, Rick, but other people talked about doing this) is that while it might be very interesting for those audience members who haven't been initiated to the idea before, but for those that are already familiar or repeat visitors to your concerts, the "tech talk" might become boring and feel like a waste of time. Perhaps creating a written "program" that people can read while they listen to you would be more effective. If they've seen you before, they could skip reading about how you make your music, but if they're new to it, it might hold considerable interest. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 19:17:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16861; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:16:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:16:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021114001552.7919.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:15:52 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <12e.1b09ff65.2b044017@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > That is precisely what is so compelling about folks who are truly > "great" at their art/craft -- as it is often said, "They make it > look so damn easy." Alas, that apparent "ease" is not achieved > without a lot of hard work and preparation -- unless you are one > of those rare, benighted souls born with a superfluity of natural > talent. For the rest of us though, it is a long, hard slog . . . While it's nice if your playing is effortless, but along the lines of the other thread I was just writing on, it can make for a more interesting performance if your looping appears LESS effortless. If it looks like you're working doing the music, I think people will understand what's going on easier. Stewart said many people think he's playing to backing tracks. That's obviously a statement that says his looping technique is very seamless and effortless. But perhaps it would be more apparent to his audience what was actually happening if he could incorporate a more visual element into the creating of the loop. I'm not sure how you'd do that with what you do. Some music lends itself to a more visual performance. For example, Rick Walker's. It may not be obvious to an audience member HOW Rick makes the sounds keep going, but it is abundantly clear that he's working his butt off on the stage creating those facinating sounds and you can hear how things change when he (for example) leans over and twists the knob on his pitch shifter to play a harmony from a looping whistle sound. This makes for a provocative performance. The other side of the coin is that if you're totally seamless, making the tech stuff invisible, that it could be considered more musically pure. I don't know that I adhere to that particular point of view, but I've heard people state it before. And for someone who can pick up on the fact that you are playing all those parts yourself and manipulating your loopers and other efx at the same time, it can be incredibly impressive. But...who are you trying to impress? Your fellow musicians who can't do what you do? Or the general man off the street who just wants to enjoy a performance? Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 21:25:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30407; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 21:22:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 21:22:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DD307C8.FD5F3983@ubuibi.org> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:17:44 -0800 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ana dem Subject: hmmm jab of the day Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4I8OHC.A.xZH.3iw09@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yow, we be official protest moppet now; made the front page of adbusters...clik link in grey box at top of page....it's not video just a song http://www.adbusters.org/home/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 21:35:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31599; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 21:32:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 21:32:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 20:25:52 -0600 Subject: digitech rds & pds triggering solutions? | midi to cv converters? From: adam To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello I have an alesis SR-16 midi drum machine which I would like to use to sync up the following (3) Digitech RDS 8000 delay/samplers (2) Digitech RDS 7.6 delay/samplers (1) Digitech PDS 8000 delay/sampler The alesis sr-16 will not produce a +5 pulse. from what i understand the RDS devices require a +5 volt input to trigger/sync to other pre-midi devices. is there a" midi to a +5 volt pulse" converter that can read midi info from my Alesis SR-16 and output a pusle? Let me know if you know of any product/products that can tackle these duties. I'm love to have 6-8 triggers for expansion and flexibilty. For my live thing I would like some devices triggered at an 16 count, some at 8 counts, and some at 4 count. I'm also curious to know what the rest of you are using to trigger these older RDS/PDS devices with? any suggestions? pitfalls? triumphs? thanks adam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 22:06:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03440; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:04:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:04:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:04:29 EST Subject: Re: Not Underestimating an Audiences Ability to Understand our Process To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com loopers-delight@solostring.com writes: >> beautiful post, Mark....................I, too, think that most >> musicians UNDERESTIMATE the intelligence, and interest of audiences. >I'm not so sure.... :) neither me. seems to depend on at least three variables: time/place/condition (of audience and whatnot). seems easier (well, not 'easier': just, 'easier') to simply not estimate, but to try to see what's happening..... right there. best, dt / splatt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 22:13:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04434; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:12:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:12:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DD31484.20107@minds-eye.org> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:12:04 -0800 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB1010 and Repeater, together again References: <20021113173425.99060.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <61hsdC.A.1EB.iSx09@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've had a few strange things happen since my Repeater and the FCB started talking to each other. While I haven't encountered the problem you've described, I have had the Repeater freeze up with regards to certain midi commands. Usually this happens when I've been using the track select/mute feature. I can perform the initial mute and then I can't control any thing else from that bank on the FCB 1010 and I can't seem to reset the Repeater manually either (I can't reset the muted track back to its original state). Not a frequent or big problem but an odd annoyance. As for Stuart's problem, I've seen this happen too. I will go to multiply a loop and the temp drops by about a third. This is also infrequent and for me (not a performer at this time) and not a major problem. I also wonder if I've got outstanding midi commands out there (like I changed a parameter or sent a command that didn't effect anything at the time but as soon as the same track is selected it becomes apparent). Unfortunately I think that there are still some loose bugs in the Repeater that were never accounted for and since we owners are the only researches left now, they are just being discovered. My general take is that the Repeater does not like to receive a lot of midi (or other) commands in quick succession. This is when I hit most of my problems. Kevin Greg House wrote: >I got an FCB1010 to control my Repeater recently and got around to the initial >cut at programming it last night. Thanks to the many discussions of the pitfalls >on Loopers Delight and RepeaterUsers forums, my inital experience was a pleasant >one. > >Simply knowing to add one to the PC numbers (except for Record), but not the CC >numbers made it go a lot smoother. Many thanks to Michael LaMeyer and others who >have posted info on using these two devices together. > >I had one slightly odd thing happen. I turned the FCB1010 off last night, but not >the Repeater. This morning when I turned it back on, the Repeater went into some >weird brain-dead mode where the play and record functions refused to function >(even from the front panel). It also flashed a mem limit (????) error at me at >one point (after pressing play...). The last time I saw it do something like >that, it crashed shortly thereafter, so I just power cycled it and it c >leared it >all up. I'm wondering if the FCB1010 sent something on the midi interface as it >powered up which hosed up the Repeater? Anyone have any experience with this? > >Greg > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos >http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 > -- Wonderful! Wonderful! The sermon of the inanimate is inconceivable If you try to hear it with your ears You'll hardly understand Only when you hear it in your eyes Will you be able to know. - Dongshan Liangjie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 23:34:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13302; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:31:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:31:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006801c28b96$c42c7b80$f23c5cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: References: <191.1021f0d7.2b03016d@aol.com> Subject: CD Recommendation [was Re: Loop Rig FS (archtops)] Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:31:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: > In a message dated 11/12/02 8:21:21 PM, jimfowler@prodigy.net writes: > << buying a d'angelico are we? >> > > Mainly interested in '30s/'40s acoustic archtops (esp Epiphones). Have you heard Ed Gerhard's CD, House of Guitars? Two thumbs up! He collected a bunch of cheap if not interesting guitars and used them as is! There's a review at http://www.rambles.net/gerhard_house01.html Do you have a plastic Maccaferri archtop, yet? Cheers, Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 13 23:37:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13684; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:33:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:33:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007801c28b97$2816ca60$f23c5cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: References: <200211121650.LAA27033@hemlock.violacea.com> <002b01c28ad5$e1fb38c0$9c63f93f@global> Subject: Re: HOORAY FOR US!!!!! Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:34:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" > Back then the term "minimalism" wasn't even in general use by the > press. We used to call it "pattern music." I've called it ostinato music. Don't recal if I heard it somewhere or coined it myself. The former is more likely, though. Cheers, Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 02:14:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA32270; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 02:12:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 02:12:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021114001507.007eadd0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 00:15:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: WAY OT: Re: MIKO, please leave this list In-Reply-To: <3DD27D35.45067243@zerocrossing.net> References: <3DD1D695.6FF48C2F@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com *laughing* hey!, you both impressed the hell out of me when I joined LD in 98! lol! You both ROCK!!! Have a great night!... Smiles, Cara At 08:26 AM 11/13/02 -0800, you wrote: >Andre, how could you forget the copious sarcasm? I consider you my #1 rival in >this arena. > >Mark Sottilaro > >Andre LaFosse wrote: > >> glenn wrote: >> >> > showoffy ego bullshit in response to the prescence of newfound woman on the >> > list. Profound posts, flagrant use of unnecesarily large words and complex >> > logic >> >> Damn, dude, you just described my entire six-year contribution to >> Looper's Delight! >> >> :-() >> >> --Dre > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 03:16:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06210; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 03:15:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 03:15:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021114011751.0082faa0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 01:17:51 -0700 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Looping, gifts, and Indian music... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, another live peice which follows Spark, the piece which I've uploaded to the LD files page, with the pitched Repeater loops, is called Alpha. I haven't uploaded it to LD files, since it's quite large and I'd like it to be in stereo. Anyway, I did send it to a dear friend who has studied extensively, raags and other forms of Indian music. Alpha is a vocal piece, and he quite liked it. One of his comments really intrigued me, concerning it's content. He said, you've looped a key characteristic phrase of raag Bihaag. In fact, there's a lot of raag going on in this music. This intrigues me because I've never studied raags. I also don't tend to listen to Indian music on a regular basis, but do enjoy it quite alot. This piece was completely improvised live, and is one which I like very much. I just thought some might be interested in this. -HOpe yer' all havinn' a wonderful evening!... Talk with ya soon... Smiles, CQ --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 03:49:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA08448; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 03:41:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 03:41:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.225.127.60] From: "mark francombe" To: References: <000601c28b14$79003a20$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <00a401c28b2b$e2b718a0$1912be18@Douglas> <3DD28771.3FDFDFC9@optonline.net> Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 09:51:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2002 08:40:05.0376 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E31C000:01C28BB9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com or not practise not rehearsal performance... > What about > invent > experiment > compose > play > produce > ? > > Douglas Baldwin wrote: > > > In bringing music into this world, we may recognize three modes of work: > > practice > > rehearsal > > performance > > > > We practice alone so that we may rehearse with other musicians so that we > > may perform for an audience. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 09:22:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20441; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:19:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:19:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021114141820.51460.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 06:18:20 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1279547167-1037283500=:50467" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1279547167-1037283500=:50467 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii (The following contains no value judgements, implicit or otherwise. Yeah, I know, that's not really possible, but anyway...) Just some observations re the whole disciplined musicianship issue: There's always been a bit of a pendulum swing on "chops"; I recently read Robert Green's book on "The Hurdy-Gurdy in Eighteenth Century France", and he makes some interesting points about how in the 17th century, musical accomplishment was viewed as something best left to the "hired help" and was not something that an aristocratic person should stoop to. (He mentions how playing the flute and oboe required "facial distortion" and how "the violin and musette involved an unsightly flapping of the upper arm".) Then, in the 18th century, it became fashionable for people of "culture" to become accomplished instrumentalists. Virtuosity became cool. Fast forward to the 1970's to observe that whole cycle where Punk sprang up largely in protest of the excesses and pretensions of Progressive Rock, and to the 80's where in some circles one's musical worth was directly proportional to "shredding" ability, the backlash against which was in turn partly responsible for the "anyone can do this" ethic of Grunge and the less polished proponents of "alternative rock". So when we talk about "practicing", how much of our response is influenced by that sort of cultural baggage? I think it's difficult to discuss the subject in a group without some sort of equivocation. Our definitions are bound to differ; some may see practicing as a way to develop manual agility and muscle memory so that it'll be simply easier to play the music they hear in their heads. To some, the notion may connotate a guy with a pointy headstock hunched over the Guitar Grimoire ripping scales. As loopers, "practice" can involve more, too, as the definitions and boundaries of our instruments are extended. I did a session a couple of nights ago where I was called upon to create the sort of looped polyrhythmic textures that I used to do a lot. When I DID it a lot, it was easy and natural; but since I haven't been doing much of that kind of playing lately, I was rusty and was struggling with signal flow. The difficulty had nothing to do with the *instrument* per se, but rather with the mechanics of routing my signal to the right device at the right time with the fluidity necessary to pull off that sort of looping. The artist with whom I was playing was happy with the recorded results, but all the same I was alarmed that I wasn't able to play the sort of parts I was attempting the way I heard them in my head. It was obvious to me that I need to practice more, but that as a looping musician, my practice requirements are different from those of a non-looper. -t- --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site --0-1279547167-1037283500=:50467 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

(The following contains no value judgements, implicit or otherwise. Yeah, I know, that's not really possible, but anyway...)

Just some observations re the whole disciplined musicianship issue:

There's always been a bit of a pendulum swing on "chops"; I recently read Robert Green's book on "The Hurdy-Gurdy in Eighteenth Century France", and he makes some interesting points about how in the 17th century, musical accomplishment was viewed as something best left to the "hired help" and was not something that an aristocratic person should stoop to. (He mentions how playing the flute and oboe required "facial distortion" and how "the violin and musette involved an unsightly flapping of the upper arm".) Then, in the 18th century, it became fashionable for people of "culture" to become accomplished instrumentalists. Virtuosity became cool.

Fast forward to the 1970's to observe that whole cycle where Punk sprang up largely in protest of the excesses and pretensions of Progressive Rock, and to the 80's where in some circles one's musical worth was directly proportional to "shredding" ability, the backlash against which was in turn partly responsible for the "anyone can do this" ethic of Grunge and the less polished proponents of "alternative rock".

So when we talk about "practicing", how much of our response is influenced by that sort of cultural baggage? I think it's difficult to discuss the subject in a group without some sort of equivocation. Our definitions are bound to differ; some may see practicing as a way to develop manual agility and muscle memory so that it'll be simply easier to play the music they hear in their heads. To some, the notion may connotate a guy with a pointy headstock hunched over the Guitar Grimoire ripping scales.

As loopers, "practice" can involve more, too, as the definitions and boundaries of our instruments are extended. I did a session a couple of nights ago where I was called upon to create the sort of looped polyrhythmic textures that I used to do a lot. When I DID it a lot, it was easy and natural; but since I haven't been doing much of that kind of playing lately, I was rusty and was struggling with signal flow. The difficulty had nothing to do with the *instrument* per se, but rather with the mechanics of routing my signal to the right device at the right time with the fluidity necessary to pull off that sort of looping. The artist with whom I was playing was happy with the recorded results, but all the same I was alarmed that I wasn't able to play the sort of parts I was attempting the way I heard them in my head. It was obvious to me that I need to practice more, but that as a looping musician, my practice requirements are different from those of a non-looper.

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Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site --0-1279547167-1037283500=:50467-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 10:29:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31408; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:23:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:23:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Practice, rehearse, perform Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:22:35 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000d01c28bf1$a92998d0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <20021114141820.51460.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA31301 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] > As loopers, "practice" can involve more, too, as the > definitions and boundaries of our instruments are extended. Nice post in its full lengths! Just want to comment on the quote above: To me "programming a midi foot controller" is as important as "developing a muscle memory suitable for handling a certain instrument". It all comes down to opening up the channels for musical expression. As well as practicing on playing certain "licks", "compositions" etc you may need to practice staying away from those things. Personally I like the vision of a music that never repeats any part. A non-composed flow that doesn't have a start, doesn't have an ending and that has no "recognizable hook elements". Short excerpts could of course have a strong identity but if you keep listening even that is changing... I'm not yet especially good at playing that type of music but I'm practicing. Practicing on.... TIME ;-) All the best Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 11:03:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04217; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:01:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:01:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021114160119.30383.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:01:19 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Repeater slowdown on multiply problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <60833301-F72F-11D6-9FF5-0003934B4712@solostring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Stuart Wyatt wrote: > I'd be interested if anyone else has the same problem with their > Repeater... just to make sure that I don't have a faulty unit or bad > CFC card. > > Record a 4 beat (or any short metronome type loop)... after pressing > the 'stop record' button, hit the multiply button twice in quick > succession. What I get is a serious slow-down of the loop, and like I > said, sometimes breaks in the audio. I tried this with my Repeater last night. It was difficult to recreate, but it did happen to me once...out of about 20 attempts to do it (using different combinations). I'm guessing that it's specific to a particular combination of button presses, since I was able to recreate it using Stewart's instructions above (stop before multiply), but never when the loop was playing. Even with the stop in there, it only happened once (out of maybe 5 times using the same procedure), and only when recording to the CFC (not to internal memory). The one time it occurred, stopping the loop and hitting play again corrected the audio slowdown. Interestingly enough, when the audio slowed down, the tempo light still flashed at the tempo I'd set (and played to), so it was clear the audio was off. You might try just hitting play again (to restart the loop) when it happens. I saw that the combination of stop then play worked. So, I don't know how conclusive that is. For me it was hard to get it to do this, but clearly it CAN happen with Repeaters other then your's. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 11:09:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05357; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:08:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:08:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021114160729.70416.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:07:28 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: FCB1010 and Repeater, together again To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3DD31484.20107@minds-eye.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > I've had a few strange things happen since my Repeater and the FCB > started talking to each other. While I haven't encountered the problem > you've described, I have had the Repeater freeze up with regards to > certain midi commands. Interestingly enough, I've had this happend even without the midi controller, just using the 3 button footswitch. It started responding strangely to commands, started giving me "CFC Slow" errors (when recording to internal RAM!) and then finally crashed and restarted. > As for Stuart's problem, I've seen this happen too. I will go to > multiply a loop and the temp drops by about a third. This is also > infrequent and for me (not a performer at this time) and not a major > problem. I also wonder if I've got outstanding midi commands out there > (like I changed a parameter or sent a command that didn't effect > anything at the time but as soon as the same track is selected it > becomes apparent). I was using my midi controller when I recreated it last night. I wonder if it's possible to also do this with front panel presses? > Unfortunately I think that there are still some loose bugs in the > Repeater that were never accounted for and since we owners are the only > researches left now, they are just being discovered. Sure looks that way. I guess the best we can do is share the pitfalls and hopefully come up with some creative workarounds. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 11:48:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10254; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:43:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:43:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:40:49 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DD3D211.EB0C841A@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20021114001552.7919.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greg House wrote: > Stewart said many people think he's playing to backing tracks. That's obviously a > statement that says his looping technique is very seamless and effortless. After a particularly good performance, I had someone come up to me and say, "Wow, that sounded great. Like you were playing a CD." I think that most people's experience, these days, with music is recorded, not live. That's a tough act to follow. Any of us that record know the time an effort that goes into make a good sounding recording. It's no small task to recreate that on stage, especially with improvised music. I'm thinking of abandoning my 100% (except for drums sequences) improv method of live music because I'm realizing that it's just too hard to be "there" all the time. To be honest, I'm jealous of the attention that people get who show up with polished "pieces" when I'm flying by the seat of my pants. I think I'll confine that "flying" mainly to my home. I just can't complete with a DJ that's playing something that took a month to produce in a recording studio. Not live anyway. Right now I'm composing basic chord structures and a riff or two that I can then improvise off of. I'm hoping this will increase the "wow, that sounded like a CD" response, meaning people feel it's a polished well thought out piece of music. I think the total improv thing is just contributing to the basic stress level of a gig anyway. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 11:55:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12297; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:52:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:52:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:43:38 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform To: Per Boysen , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00b301c28bfd$fa81ea00$1912be18@Douglas> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001f01c28b3a$5b9942d0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per wrote: > You might also try: > > "Practice / practice even harder / forget it all / get up there and > play" ;-) Well said! I like "up there" as an all-encompassing phrase. Although it immediately brings forth the image of a stage, it could be a state of being: I am no longer down here, I am up there. Nemoguitt wrote: >i yearn to play with other musicians but it never happens..... What I find fascinating about the transition from practice to rehersal is that, in rehersal, I am outside myself. I become my own critical listener. I am playing what I've practiced, but with an objective ear examining whether I am getting "up there." I practice for myself, but I rehearse for my other self as I would for another musician. I am still not playing "for the world," as a performance would be. >99.9% i play by myself with my boxes, sometimes to an audience.....playing (looping) whatever it is that i do is turning more and more into a crap shoot, i roll dem bones and step on record and i'm off.....so i dont know if there is a difference between: practice, rehearse, perform.....to me its all kismet/zietgiest..... But I doubt if you would choose to "practice" when you are ostensibly performing for an audience: "hmmm. Maybe I should see if I can introduce exactly one new note every minute for my entire set. Maybe I should rewire my looper thingie so it comes before my atomic effects atomizer thingie, then route it back into the looper thingie with just a touch of feedback. Maybe I should play this new microtonal bass, even though I've never even held it before." Nomsane? And David wrote: >There are three other modes used to bring music into this world: we also, beg, borrow and steal! And, do I detect some borrowing here... :-) Yes, when I was playing with The Wes Houston Band, circa 1979-80, one musician was relentlessly practicing his part as the others sat about. It was supposed to be a rehersal. Wes announced with excellent authority: "Hey! Practice at home! This is a rehersal! We've got a gig tonight!" I've used it ever since to sort out what was/is attempting to be accomplished. >You are of course correct in what you say, however. Thank you! And Greg House wrote: >While it's nice if your playing is effortless, but along the lines of the other thread I was just writing on, it can make for a more interesting performance if your looping appears LESS effortless. And, wiseass that I am, I have an aphorism about appearance. "Music is the performance of sound; theater is the performance of appearance." Many musicians add theater to their performances. Some even do so intentionally! ciao for now Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 12:02:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14358; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:57:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:57:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:55:37 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: FCB1010 and Repeater, together again To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DD3D589.8210E24E@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20021114160729.70416.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Huh. I would definitely re install the OS. Unless you're developing cracks in solder connections or circuit boards, or dirty switches, you could just have a corrupted OS. Try it. Couldn't hurt. My units have hardly ever crashed. Mark Greg House wrote: > --- Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > > I've had a few strange things happen since my Repeater and the FCB > > started talking to each other. While I haven't encountered the problem > > you've described, I have had the Repeater freeze up with regards to > > certain midi commands. > > Interestingly enough, I've had this happend even without the midi controller, > just using the 3 button footswitch. It started responding strangely to commands, > started giving me "CFC Slow" errors (when recording to internal RAM!) and then > finally crashed and restarted. > > > As for Stuart's problem, I've seen this happen too. I will go to > > multiply a loop and the temp drops by about a third. This is also > > infrequent and for me (not a performer at this time) and not a major > > problem. I also wonder if I've got outstanding midi commands out there > > (like I changed a parameter or sent a command that didn't effect > > anything at the time but as soon as the same track is selected it > > becomes apparent). > > I was using my midi controller when I recreated it last night. I wonder if it's > possible to also do this with front panel presses? > > > Unfortunately I think that there are still some loose bugs in the > > Repeater that were never accounted for and since we owners are the only > > researches left now, they are just being discovered. > > Sure looks that way. I guess the best we can do is share the pitfalls and > hopefully come up with some creative workarounds. > > Greg > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 12:29:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24580; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:28:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:28:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:28:12 -0500 Subject: FCB Programming Help (again) From: kenn lowy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200210071855.OAA21812@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am totally confused as to how to program this beast. Yes, I have read through the posts and scratched my head at the manual. After following some instructions from Bruce Comens, all I get on the EDP is P11 when I press a button that I thought was programmed. Can someone point me to a bulletproof programming example? Once I have one button correctly programmed, it's easy enough to figure the rest out. Thanks in advance, klowy (aka wrinklemuzik) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 12:32:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25071; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:31:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:31:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021114103322.00935180@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:33:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform In-Reply-To: <3DD3D211.EB0C841A@zerocrossing.net> References: <20021114001552.7919.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, interesting post. I've actually gotten the whole CD response from another musician no less, during a festival! I and a friend were playing guitar synth, and electric dulcimer synth respectively, and were not looping at all. A drummer from the next band was setting up behind us for their set when we finished. anyway, he mentioned afterward after realizing that the sounds he heard were us, that he'd thought it was a CD playing. Go figure. I think sound choices have something to do with it as well. If people are seeing string instruments being played, and hearing all sorts of layered well-produced rich chordal sounds, they may not realize what's happening. My friend was playing with an effected dulcimer sound along with a synth patch, and I was playing various synth patches. So there were in essence, three tracks of music going on, to someone listening. So it may not always be easy for people to tell what's being played live and what's prerecorded. As for the whole improv thing, I actually find that to be incredibly more relaxed than prepared stuff. -just my thoughts... Have an awesome day!, K? Smiles, Cara At 08:40 AM 11/14/02 -0800, you wrote: >Greg House wrote: > >> Stewart said many people think he's playing to backing tracks. That's obviously a >> statement that says his looping technique is very seamless and effortless. > >After a particularly good performance, I had someone come up to me and say, "Wow, >that sounded great. Like you were playing a CD." I think that most people's >experience, these days, with music is recorded, not live. That's a tough act to >follow. Any of us that record know the time an effort that goes into make a good >sounding recording. It's no small task to recreate that on stage, especially with >improvised music. > >I'm thinking of abandoning my 100% (except for drums sequences) improv method of live >music because I'm realizing that it's just too hard to be "there" all the time. To >be honest, I'm jealous of the attention that people get who show up with polished >"pieces" when I'm flying by the seat of my pants. I think I'll confine that "flying" >mainly to my home. I just can't complete with a DJ that's playing something that >took a month to produce in a recording studio. Not live anyway. Right now I'm >composing basic chord structures and a riff or two that I can then improvise off of. >I'm hoping this will increase the "wow, that sounded like a CD" response, meaning >people feel it's a polished well thought out piece of music. I think the total >improv thing is just contributing to the basic stress level of a gig anyway. > >Mark Sottilaro > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 13:01:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27682; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:55:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:55:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021114105707.00830100@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:57:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform In-Reply-To: <00b301c28bfd$fa81ea00$1912be18@Douglas> References: <001f01c28b3a$5b9942d0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What about "up here?" lol! no ego here... lollollol! Douglas, nice to see your posts here. I always love reading them. Thank you... Anyway, you said in reply to Nemoguitt, But I doubt if you would choose to "practice" when you are ostensibly performing for an audience: "hmmm. Maybe I should see if I can introduce exactly one new note every minute for my entire set. Maybe I should rewire my looper thingie so it comes before my atomic effects atomizer thingie, then route it back into the looper thingie with just a touch of feedback. Maybe I should play this new microtonal bass, even though I've never even held it before." Nomsane? I've actually done exactly this on several occasions. -played instruments I'd never played before in a live performance setting. additionally, I've been asked literally, two minutes before a show to play material I'd not rehearsed, and was not familiar with, with people I'd never met, upon simply one of them hearing what I've done improvisationally. Also, regarding the idea of rewiring one's gear or some such idea on stage, -don't we do something very similar to this in the face of limitation or unexpected circumstance such as technical difficulties, or strings breaking and such, which might not be the easiest to deal with at a moment's notice. We adapt. We are creative in front of an audience, and practicing new ways of performing as we perform. So in my examples above, am I practicing or playing, or both? The whole idea of improv itself as it relates to these concepts is also very interesting. Is it practice or play? -Is it live or is it Memorex?... lol! Thanks again for such an interesting post. Have a wonderful day!, K? Smiles, CQ At 11:43 AM 11/14/02 -0500, you wrote: >Per wrote: > >> You might also try: >> >> "Practice / practice even harder / forget it all / get up there and >> play" ;-) > >Well said! I like "up there" as an all-encompassing phrase. Although it >immediately brings forth the image of a stage, it could be a state of being: >I am no longer down here, I am up there. > >Nemoguitt wrote: >>i yearn to play with other musicians but it never happens..... > >What I find fascinating about the transition from practice to rehersal is >that, in rehersal, I am outside myself. I become my own critical listener. I >am playing what I've practiced, but with an objective ear examining whether >I am getting "up there." I practice for myself, but I rehearse for my other >self as I would for another musician. I am still not playing "for the >world," as a performance would be. > >>99.9% i play by myself with my boxes, sometimes to an audience.....playing >(looping) whatever it is that i do is turning more and more into a crap >shoot, i roll dem bones and step on record and i'm off.....so i dont know if >there is a difference between: practice, rehearse, perform.....to me its all >kismet/zietgiest..... > >But I doubt if you would choose to "practice" when you are ostensibly >performing for an audience: "hmmm. Maybe I should see if I can introduce >exactly one new note every minute for my entire set. Maybe I should rewire >my looper thingie so it comes before my atomic effects atomizer thingie, >then route it back into the looper thingie with just a touch of feedback. >Maybe I should play this new microtonal bass, even though I've never even >held it before." Nomsane? > >And David wrote: >>There are three other modes used to bring music into this world: we also, >beg, borrow and steal! >And, do I detect some borrowing here... :-) > >Yes, when I was playing with The Wes Houston Band, circa 1979-80, one >musician was relentlessly practicing his part as the others sat about. It >was supposed to be a rehersal. Wes announced with excellent authority: "Hey! >Practice at home! This is a rehersal! We've got a gig tonight!" I've used it >ever since to sort out what was/is attempting to be accomplished. > >>You are of course correct in what you say, however. > >Thank you! > >And Greg House wrote: > >>While it's nice if your playing is effortless, but along the lines of the >other >thread I was just writing on, it can make for a more interesting performance >if >your looping appears LESS effortless. > >And, wiseass that I am, I have an aphorism about appearance. "Music is the >performance of sound; theater is the performance of appearance." Many >musicians add theater to their performances. Some even do so intentionally! > ciao for now >Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large >coyotelk@optonline.net > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 14:01:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04477; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:57:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:57:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c28c0f$83618680$82160150@q9s3n6> From: "Chi" To: References: <001f01c28b3a$5b9942d0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <00b301c28bfd$fa81ea00$1912be18@Douglas> Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:56:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <_dgFKC.A.SEB.PH_09@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > And, wiseass that I am, I have an aphorism about appearance. "Music is the > performance of sound; theater is the performance of appearance." Many > musicians add theater to their performances. Some even do so intentionally! > ciao for now > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large I would have thought it was difficult NOT to add theatre, people see this where they expect it (that's rock n roll!). The main advantage is where you decide to make it interesting! Chi (who is more or less housebound :( >^.^< From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 14:36:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09864; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:35:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:35:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DD3FB84.AD0E89F3@pa.msu.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:37:40 -0500 From: John McIntyre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform References: <001f01c28b3a$5b9942d0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <00b301c28bfd$fa81ea00$1912be18@Douglas> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Douglas Baldwin wrote: > But I doubt if you would choose to "practice" when you are ostensibly > performing for an audience: When Lou Reed complained that the Velvet Underground was so busy performing that they never had time to practice, Andy Warhol suggested, "Why don't you practice on stage?" John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 14:37:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09213; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:31:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:31:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:30:19 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <064401c28c14$446290a0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001f01c28b3a$5b9942d0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <00b301c28bfd$fa81ea00$1912be18@Douglas> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com excellent point. you might add: some intentionally avoid adding theater. >... > > And, wiseass that I am, I have an aphorism about appearance. "Music is the > performance of sound; theater is the performance of appearance." Many > musicians add theater to their performances. Some even do so intentionally! > ciao for now > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > coyotelk@optonline.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 14:55:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12459; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:55:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:55:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021114195437.17309.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:54:37 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00b301c28bfd$fa81ea00$1912be18@Douglas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Douglas Baldwin wrote: > And Greg House wrote: > > >While it's nice if your playing is effortless, but along the lines of the > other > thread I was just writing on, it can make for a more interesting performance > if your looping appears LESS effortless. > > And, wiseass that I am, I have an aphorism about appearance. "Music is the > performance of sound; theater is the performance of appearance." Many > musicians add theater to their performances. Some even do so intentionally! Haha! Well, music generally falls into what most people call "entertainment". Recordings are generally the realm of the purely sonic form of musical entertainment. For live performances, most people I've observed seem to expect more (or at least different) then a picture perfect musical performance by someone who hardly moves. I've said it myself, "If I wanted to hear the CD, I'd sit at home in my living room. The acoustics are better and I don't smell like smoke when I'm done." I enjoy watching people play, especially if they themselves are enjoying it (and it shows). The visual definitely augments the sound. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 14:59:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12940; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:58:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:58:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021114195754.24445.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:57:54 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: FCB1010 and Repeater, together again To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3DD3D589.8210E24E@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's only happened a couple of times in the 11 months I've ownd the Repeater, so I'm not really complaining. Sure would be a drag if it did that when I was depending on it though. That's why I keep toying with the option of adding another looper to my solo rig before I play live much. At least that way if it goes totally belly up, then I can still continue (perhaps in a different way, but still continuing). The second looper will probably be a simpler unit, maybe a DL4/EchoPro or even a Headrush. Greg --- Mark wrote: > Huh. I would definitely re install the OS. Unless you're developing cracks in > solder connections or circuit boards, or dirty switches, you could just have a > corrupted OS. Try it. Couldn't hurt. My units have hardly ever crashed. > > Mark > > Greg House wrote: > > > --- Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > > > I've had a few strange things happen since my Repeater and the FCB > > > started talking to each other. While I haven't encountered the problem > > > you've described, I have had the Repeater freeze up with regards to > > > certain midi commands. > > > > Interestingly enough, I've had this happend even without the midi controller, > > just using the 3 button footswitch. It started responding strangely to > commands, > > started giving me "CFC Slow" errors (when recording to internal RAM!) and > then > > finally crashed and restarted. > > > > > As for Stuart's problem, I've seen this happen too. I will go to > > > multiply a loop and the temp drops by about a third. This is also > > > infrequent and for me (not a performer at this time) and not a major > > > problem. I also wonder if I've got outstanding midi commands out there > > > (like I changed a parameter or sent a command that didn't effect > > > anything at the time but as soon as the same track is selected it > > > becomes apparent). > > > > I was using my midi controller when I recreated it last night. I wonder if > it's > > possible to also do this with front panel presses? > > > > > Unfortunately I think that there are still some loose bugs in the > > > Repeater that were never accounted for and since we owners are the only > > > researches left now, they are just being discovered. > > > > Sure looks that way. I guess the best we can do is share the pitfalls and > > hopefully come up with some creative workarounds. > > > > Greg > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 15:05:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14735; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:05:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:05:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: theweg@netzero.com X-Original-From: theweg@netzero.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 20:03:17 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: ghunicycle@yahoo.com Subject: Re:Re: Practice, rehearse, perform X-Mailer: NetZero WebMail Version 1.0 Message-Id: <20021114.120335.24517.3146@webmail03.lax.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9sPdvC.A.zlD.dHA19@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Greg, I agree with your posts! I've tried responding and discovered that I cannot post to LD for some reason but I am receiving the emails??? I've sent Kim an email but have not heard back from him. It seems someone else was having this problem before but I am not sure what was causing it. I am hoping you can help or at least send my email to the list so Kim does get it. I was on the MSN Hotmail server for a long time until LD started dropping me weekly for bounced emails so I switched over to netzero.net. Thanks for any help! Greg Wegmann theweg@netzero.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 15:12:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15295; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:11:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:11:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20021114.120335.24517.3146@webmail03.lax.untd.com> References: <20021114.120335.24517.3146@webmail03.lax.untd.com> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:09:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re:Re: Practice, rehearse, perform Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:03 PM +0000 11/14/02, theweg@netzero.com wrote: > I agree with your posts! I've tried responding and discovered >that I cannot post to LD for some reason but I am receiving the >emails??? I've sent Kim an email but have not heard back from him. >It seems someone else was having this problem before but I am not >sure what was causing it. I am hoping you can help or at least send >my email to the list so Kim does get it. I was on the MSN Hotmail >server for a long time until LD started dropping me weekly for >bounced emails so I switched over to netzero.net. Well, I got this one! I believe that in my case, the reason was DNS for my host service misconfigured by the lazy and semi-competent sysadmin(*) of my server -- I doubt that's the case with netzero... /t (* -- me) -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 15:21:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15789; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:15:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:15:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: theweg@netzero.com X-Original-From: theweg@netzero.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 20:13:02 GMT To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: listmanager@loopers-delight.com Subject: testing for mail X-Mailer: NetZero WebMail Version 1.0 Message-Id: <20021114.121345.24517.3217@webmail03.lax.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9INfH.A.31D.rQA19@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I believe I solved the problem or Kim fixed it. I think it was the Outlook express. #%$!^$% microsoft..... Sorry for interruption! weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 16:00:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18301; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:56:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:56:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20021114195437.17309.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021114195437.17309.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:41:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:54 AM -0800 11/14/02, Greg House wrote: >--- Douglas Baldwin wrote: >> And Greg House wrote: >> >> >While it's nice if your playing is effortless, but along the lines of the >> other >> thread I was just writing on, it can make for a more interesting performance >> if your looping appears LESS effortless. >> >> And, wiseass that I am, I have an aphorism about appearance. "Music is the >> performance of sound; theater is the performance of appearance." Many >> musicians add theater to their performances. Some even do so intentionally! > >Haha! Well, music generally falls into what most people call "entertainment". >Recordings are generally the realm of the purely sonic form of musical >entertainment. For live performances, most people I've observed seem to expect >more (or at least different) then a picture perfect musical performance by >someone who hardly moves. I've said it myself, "If I wanted to hear >the CD, I'd >sit at home in my living room. The acoustics are better and I don't smell like >smoke when I'm done." I enjoy watching people play, especially if >they themselves >are enjoying it (and it shows). The visual definitely augments the sound. > Watching musicians (especially improvisors) do what they need to do to get the music out of their instruments is pretty much theatre enough for me. -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 16:04:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19832; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:00:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:00:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:59:55 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <066e01c28c20$c8dffdc0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20021114195437.17309.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <29-4XD.A.-0E.M7A19@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >... "If I wanted to hear the CD, I'd > sit at home in my living room. The acoustics are better and I don't smell like > smoke when I'm done." so why don't you just buy the video? >I enjoy watching people play, especially if they themselves > are enjoying it (and it shows). The visual definitely augments the sound. > > Greg > well, at least you admit your not a musician... (joke) really, the term "poser" was coined for this sentiment. i personally am not interested in adding theater to my music performances. ... (not that there's anything wrong with that) if i were to do that, i would probably collaborate with someone who could make it their focus. but once you do so, you shouldn't try to separate yourself from the 80's metal guy with long hair and a wind machine holding a power chord, striking a rockstar pose and grimacing menacingly. after all, that's all he is doing... ... (not that there's anything wrong with that) btw, it was no accident that the first video on mtv was "video killed the radio star" most of the modern audience is more interested in visuals than in music. i find the general audiences preoccupation with visuals somewhat akin to people who can't read a book without pictures. ... (not that there's anything wrong with that) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 16:37:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22747; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:36:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:36:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021114150733.00a86770@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:40:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: we don't need no stinking rehearsal! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com comrades. sorry - i'm joining the fray on this one rather late in the game, so i might be weighing/wading in here with a restatement of the theme as already expressed nineteen times, but... speaking just for myownself: i will report my own aspect of my own unique and individual experience with all this. and lucky for yall that it _is_ that way. so. me? i just feel better playing than i do doing most other things. that means i play a LOT. i find all that volume and distortion to be quite therapeutic; to say nothing of the strategic/chessmoves/trying-to-stay-not-painted-in-a-corner mental moves required to keep the pieces moving along nicely. (strangest thing: somehow in all of this effort i do not see my technical playing improving one bit, but, yknow, whatever. can't have everything.) but the "chops freeze" not the worst news: what's also happening as a result of all this practicing is a weird sort of codifying of my improvisational techniques. almost to a place where i wonder if i even AM improvising any more. sure, the stuff that comes out of my, er, operations is never the same twice - tho i do repeat given elements a lot, cause, well, they're the ones i have. my record collection may be unwieldy, but it IS finite. and i guess i am improving and pushing some boundary someplace. but lately i wonder if it wouldn't be more improvisational to actually use a bunch of different stuff from time to time. (think i can't play guitar? wait'll you hear what i don't do with a trombone...) but i'm not gonna do that cause i can't afford any new stuff, and right now i have an extremely complex setup fairly well tamed and i have no intention of letting THAT beast out of the cage any time soon (richford'll tell ya. he's seen it... the horror...) at one point i realized that the "rehearsal" part of my sessions extended so far as getting my ass set up and ready to play in 25 minutes or under, and that everything else was "playing". for the record, it's never taken under 25 minutes to get it going, but what the hell, it's something to shoot for. so i'm actually rehearsing being a stagehand, and then switching roles to "player" in order to answer back to whatever emotional/personal/cataclysmic fracas i'm experiencing. fun, huh? all of this is totally fine with me. or at least, it is what it is. and i do get the juice from doing it that i wanna get. and i stay in shape by lifting & carrying all that crap when i have to go someplace to perform! so as a result of all that "practicing", the best compliment i've ever had was a recording engineer who told me "wow! you set all that shit up like a union guy!" as a result of all that "playing" comments have been.... rather slow in forthcoming. but it feels great to be good at SOMETHING, right? custom made, a:c Tim Nelson said in part > So when we talk about "practicing", how much of our response is influenced by that sort of > cultural baggage? I think it's difficult to discuss the subject in a group without some sort of > equivocation. Our definitions are bound to differ; some may see practicing as a way to develop > manual agility and muscle memory so that it'll be simply easier to play the music they hear in > their heads. To some, the notion may connotate a guy with a pointy headstock hunched over > the Guitar Grimoire ripping scales. > As loopers, "practice" can involve more, too, as the definitions and boundaries of our > instruments are extended. and per opined: > To me "programming a midi foot controller" is as important as > "developing a muscle memory suitable for handling a certain instrument". > It all comes down to opening up the channels for musical expression. > As well as practicing on playing certain "licks", "compositions" etc you > may need to practice staying away from those things. Personally I like > the vision of a music that never repeats any part. A non-composed flow > that doesn't have a start, doesn't have an ending and that has no > "recognizable hook elements". Short excerpts could of course have a > strong identity but if you keep listening even that is changing... I'm > not yet especially good at playing that type of music but I'm > practicing. Practicing on.... TIME ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 17:13:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26950; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:12:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:12:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c28c2a$c9506740$ea1d0150@q9s3n6> From: "Chi" To: References: <20021114195437.17309.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:11:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <7PpIbC.A.OiG.N-B19@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well you could always sit in the dark and play pinball machines, like Faust did :) Chi >^.^< From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 17:49:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29705; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:46:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:46:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021114224550.73648.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:45:50 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <066e01c28c20$c8dffdc0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- jim palmer wrote: > > >... "If I wanted to hear the CD, I'd > > sit at home in my living room. The acoustics are better and I don't smell > like smoke when I'm done." > > so why don't you just buy the video? I like improvisation, and I like something real. > >I enjoy watching people play, especially if they themselves > > are enjoying it (and it shows). The visual definitely augments the sound. > > > > Greg > > > > well, at least you admit your not a musician... > (joke) Um... You lost me. Are you insulting me because I think most audiences like more of a "show" then someone gazing at their shoes playing music note-for-note as it is on their CD at something they call a "live performance" (which bears little resemblance to either)? > really, the term "poser" was coined for this sentiment. > i personally am not interested in adding theater to my music performances. My understanding of the term "poseur" is that it's not that someone moves around in some particular way on stage, but someone who COPIES the style of someone else who does (usually denoting a poor attempt at reproduction). Frankly, I don't have much interest in hopping around just to show off or attract attention. I don't have a problem with people that do...or don't. And I don't think either indicates more or less artistic integrity. What I was talking about, in terms of LOOPING performances, is simply that if you can do an action in a way that makes it clear to people that you're doing something (as opposed to stealthily pressing record and play with your foot while their attention is on your guitar), then it helps prevent them from getting the idea that you're playing over a CD or a sequencer. I wasn't talking about grandstanding, just being intentional about doing what you do in a visual sort of way. No fans on my long hair or spandex required. > i find the general audiences preoccupation with visuals somewhat akin to > people who can't read a book without pictures. Frankly, I think we must be talking about different forms of "visuals". Even going to the symphony, which is pretty "straight" musically, there's plenty to watch. Violins are bowed, kettle drums are hit, clarinets are blown. A symphony without the visual is no different then a recording with really good fidelity. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 19:09:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08999; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:06:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:06:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:05:59 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <06a601c28c3a$c77153c0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20021114224550.73648.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > > so why don't you just buy the video? > > I like improvisation, and I like something real. > me too. note: nothing visual required for either... > > Um... You lost me. Are you insulting me because I think most audiences like more > of a "show" then someone gazing at their shoes playing music note-for-note as it > is on their CD at something they call a "live performance" (which bears little > resemblance to either)? > i wasn't trying to insult you, i was just joking. ugh, i just noticed i mispelled "you're." also, i am only talking about peoples need for visual entertainment at a music perfomance. whether the musicians are playing the ink is another issue altogether. > > really, the term "poser" was coined for this sentiment. > > i personally am not interested in adding theater to my music performances. > > My understanding of the term "poseur" is that it's not that someone moves around > in some particular way on stage, but someone who COPIES the style of someone else > who does (usually denoting a poor attempt at reproduction). > i doubt i will ever have need of that other term ("poseur") i really meant "poser" it really is a common term. maybe they are remotely related... > Frankly, I don't have much interest in hopping around just to show off or attract > attention. I don't have a problem with people that do...or don't. And I don't > think either indicates more or less artistic integrity. me too. and i have done my share of hopping around... it was a lot of fun. but it wasn't music. i like the term "theater" for that stuff. > > What I was talking about, in terms of LOOPING performances, is simply that if you > can do an action in a way that makes it clear to people that you're doing > something (as opposed to stealthily pressing record and play with your foot while > their attention is on your guitar), then it helps prevent them from getting the > idea that you're playing over a CD or a sequencer. I wasn't talking about > grandstanding, just being intentional about doing what you do in a visual sort of > way. No fans on my long hair or spandex required. i don't find that to be two different things. one mans grandstanding is anothers "being intentional about what you are doing in a visual sort of way" i find nothing wrong with either. nor is there anything wrong with forgoing the visual thing altogether. i love hearing michael brecker play and could care less if he moves or shows what he is doing to the keys or mouthpiece or air. in fact he tends to stay stock still while outrageous fire comes out musically... maybe he should rig a flamethrower up for the non-auditory audience interesting, maybe we need a new term. should that be "vidience?" or for the multimedia types, maybe "omnience"...lol. this i find cd/sequencer thing interesting. poe wrote a bit (i can't remember which story) where he describes a hideous insect landing on his desk. he is initially repulsed by it. then he realizes it is actually a leaf and not a bug. then he finds it to be beautiful. i noticed this sort of shift happen to a friend of mine with a soundscape cd i was playing (a fripp cd, not mine) i noticed he seemed bored with it and explained that it was just one guy with a guitar doing it live. then he liked it. so if you see a performer thinking they are playing live and like it, then you find out they are using a cd, suddenly it is bad? what about the other way around? if this makes a difference at all, i say it is theater and not music that is different. actually, in this case i like to call it gymnastics. i would say: music is all about sound. theatre is about visuals. gymnastics is about difficulty. believe me, i do my own share of gymnastics as well. crafty guitar fretwork is more about gymnastics than music and i still do it. but you can have music with no crafty work and vis versa (not that there's anything wrong with that) > > > i find the general audiences preoccupation with visuals somewhat akin to > > people who can't read a book without pictures. > > Frankly, I think we must be talking about different forms of "visuals". Even > going to the symphony, which is pretty "straight" musically, there's plenty to > watch. Violins are bowed, kettle drums are hit, clarinets are blown. A symphony > without the visual is no different then a recording with really good fidelity. > > Greg > i'm surprised you want to see a symphony. they are almost always playing the ink. and you must have some hellacious sound system and acoustic room at home if it sounds like a live symphony... if i went to the symphony, and they had installed a magical, sonically transparent light barrier between the audience and the orchestra, it would not bother me in the least. ok, enough for one day. did anyone actually read all of this? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 20:55:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21095; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 20:54:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 20:54:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DD4459C.3A79E69D@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:53:48 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform References: <20021114224550.73648.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> <06a601c28c3a$c77153c0$080210ac@jpalmer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What isn't real? That's my question. Even a tab of acid creates some real effect... even if only for the user. Is a hallucination any less real than a video or film image? Do you think that's air your breathing? Hmmm? Which brings me to visuals. I hate to say it, but I must admit there's little worse than watching someone on stage twiddle knobs. I left an electronic music festival when a guy got up and started futzing around with a laptop. The techno music that was coming from the PA could have been from a CD for all I knew, or cared. Inversely, I seem to enjoy some forms of music live (reggae, blues) while not liking them much on CD. Not sure why. I know I'm one of those people that just don't put on a very good performance. So I usually let a video do that work for me. Nice little illusion video is, and projectors are getting nicer and cheaper. Plus, you can do a lot of neat MIDI controlled video tricks these days. Mark Sottilaro jim palmer wrote: > > > > > > so why don't you just buy the video? > > > > I like improvisation, and I like something real. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 21:16:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24300; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:10:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:10:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: we don't need no stinking rehearsal! Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:09:41 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021114150733.00a86770@mail.pdfsystems.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You are killing me and you care not. This is a looping-related post. You are killing me with overindulgence in looping and repeating and with any failure to monitor battery or electricity levels. You should not be looping or repeating using tools that will short circuit because of all those wires and frantic movements. Turn the machine off. Wipe it down with a moist cloth perhaps. Ensure that it remains in good condition. If you decide you don't want to use the same machine because in your abuse of it you come to the errant conclusion that the looping device sucks, and not you, you are not any musician I would ever respect. -----Original Message----- From: anti:clockwise [mailto:anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 1:41 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: we don't need no stinking rehearsal! comrades. sorry - i'm joining the fray on this one rather late in the game, so i might be weighing/wading in here with a restatement of the theme as already expressed nineteen times, but... speaking just for myownself: i will report my own aspect of my own unique and individual experience with all this. and lucky for yall that it _is_ that way. so. me? i just feel better playing than i do doing most other things. that means i play a LOT. i find all that volume and distortion to be quite therapeutic; to say nothing of the strategic/chessmoves/trying-to-stay-not-painted-in-a-corner mental moves required to keep the pieces moving along nicely. (strangest thing: somehow in all of this effort i do not see my technical playing improving one bit, but, yknow, whatever. can't have everything.) but the "chops freeze" not the worst news: what's also happening as a result of all this practicing is a weird sort of codifying of my improvisational techniques. almost to a place where i wonder if i even AM improvising any more. sure, the stuff that comes out of my, er, operations is never the same twice - tho i do repeat given elements a lot, cause, well, they're the ones i have. my record collection may be unwieldy, but it IS finite. and i guess i am improving and pushing some boundary someplace. but lately i wonder if it wouldn't be more improvisational to actually use a bunch of different stuff from time to time. (think i can't play guitar? wait'll you hear what i don't do with a trombone...) but i'm not gonna do that cause i can't afford any new stuff, and right now i have an extremely complex setup fairly well tamed and i have no intention of letting THAT beast out of the cage any time soon (richford'll tell ya. he's seen it... the horror...) at one point i realized that the "rehearsal" part of my sessions extended so far as getting my ass set up and ready to play in 25 minutes or under, and that everything else was "playing". for the record, it's never taken under 25 minutes to get it going, but what the hell, it's something to shoot for. so i'm actually rehearsing being a stagehand, and then switching roles to "player" in order to answer back to whatever emotional/personal/cataclysmic fracas i'm experiencing. fun, huh? all of this is totally fine with me. or at least, it is what it is. and i do get the juice from doing it that i wanna get. and i stay in shape by lifting & carrying all that crap when i have to go someplace to perform! so as a result of all that "practicing", the best compliment i've ever had was a recording engineer who told me "wow! you set all that shit up like a union guy!" as a result of all that "playing" comments have been.... rather slow in forthcoming. but it feels great to be good at SOMETHING, right? custom made, a:c Tim Nelson said in part > So when we talk about "practicing", how much of our response is influenced by that sort of > cultural baggage? I think it's difficult to discuss the subject in a group without some sort of > equivocation. Our definitions are bound to differ; some may see practicing as a way to develop > manual agility and muscle memory so that it'll be simply easier to play the music they hear in > their heads. To some, the notion may connotate a guy with a pointy headstock hunched over > the Guitar Grimoire ripping scales. > As loopers, "practice" can involve more, too, as the definitions and boundaries of our > instruments are extended. and per opined: > To me "programming a midi foot controller" is as important as > "developing a muscle memory suitable for handling a certain instrument". > It all comes down to opening up the channels for musical expression. > As well as practicing on playing certain "licks", "compositions" etc you > may need to practice staying away from those things. Personally I like > the vision of a music that never repeats any part. A non-composed flow > that doesn't have a start, doesn't have an ending and that has no > "recognizable hook elements". Short excerpts could of course have a > strong identity but if you keep listening even that is changing... I'm > not yet especially good at playing that type of music but I'm > practicing. Practicing on.... TIME ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 21:19:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25367; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:18:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:18:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Practice, rehearse, perform Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:17:18 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002e01c28c2a$c9506740$ea1d0150@q9s3n6> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stop lying, Mrs. Who. Rewriting mythology accomplishes nothing except fuels pain. Like adding a loop of children's music to a rape scene. -----Original Message----- From: Chi [mailto:patchwork.mail@virgin.net] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 2:11 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform Well you could always sit in the dark and play pinball machines, like Faust did :) Chi >^.^< From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 21:44:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29127; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:40:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:40:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:40:35 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform To: Goddess , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006301c28c50$6c22fda0$1912be18@Douglas> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3.0.5.32.20021114105707.00830100@pop.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: <2yxDw.A.PEH.N6F19@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Goddess wrote: > What about "up here?" lol! no ego here... lollollol! Yeah, well, being a Goddess and all, you should know! lollollol! When I added the hypothetical comments about "practicing" when one should be performing, I was pointing towards a different attitude than the positive chaos that you obviously embrace (and isn't the positive chaos lucky for that!). I'm sure you (and most poster/readers) knew what I was alluding to, but I like your comments all the more because they shed a new light on the process. Point by point: > I've actually done exactly this on several occasions. -played > instruments I'd never played before in a live performance setting. And I'll bet, from what I've heard of your music, that there was *something* that made your choice appropriate. Sympathetic and supportive fellow musicians, perhaps, and/or an audience willing to take a risk along with you. > additionally, I've been asked literally, two minutes before a show to play > material I'd not rehearsed, and was not familiar with, with people I'd > never met, upon simply one of them hearing what I've done > improvisationally. And again, knowing you, you brought a wealth of practice and rehearsal to that moment. Also, regarding the idea of rewiring one's gear or some > such idea on stage, -don't we do something very similar to this in the face > of limitation or unexpected circumstance such as technical difficulties, or > strings breaking and such, which might not be the easiest to deal with at a > moment's notice. We adapt. We are creative in front of an audience, and > practicing new ways of performing as we perform. So in my examples above, > am I practicing or playing, or both? The whole idea of improv itself as > it relates to these concepts is also very interesting. Is it practice or > play? -Is it live or is it Memorex?... lol! Each aspect - practice, rehersal, performance - is a state of being, and we can recognize several states at once. I sure do. Very often I'll be "up there" and simultaneously thinking of things like, "Jeez. Got to work on some new voicings of quartal chords tomorrow. The drummer just played a cool rhythm; can I answer that? Oh! The other guitarist is 'showing' me a different lick to go along with this part of the song..." Or I may be doing some routine practicing, and something I play might wake me up and I'll realize I'm suddenly performing some previously unheard music - I become the receiver of the music, the performing musician, and the audience listening all at once. I began this thread as a commentary on Per's excellent description of a performance as demonstration. I find it useful to frame my response to any performance in the context of: Was it a demonstration? An invigoration? Or (in the rarest of instances) do I feel moved? I often feel that performers and audiences cheat each other out of a genuine opportunity to move higher by reverting to "unconscious demonstrations;" the performer merely demonstrates the appropriate sounds/motions, and the audience demonstrates the appropriate response. Per obviously provided a clear and literal demonstration, and made room for moving toward higher ground because of it. But, y'know, I just love where this thread has spun off into. And I have to go to sleep. Love to all and every one. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 21:59:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31148; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:55:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:55:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021115134822.0271da60@phaesler.org> X-Sender: woz@phaesler.org (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:49:58 +1100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Woz Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <7CvT8D.A.VmH.aIG19@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Practice makes perfect. Nobody's perfect. So why practice? :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 22:11:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01788; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:11:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:11:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c28c54$9ac8fd40$16010150@q9s3n6> From: "Chi" To: References: Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 03:10:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <0hduKC.A.Sb.0WG19@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree with everyone -I am new here but I would love to say FUCK OFF YOU UNSCRUPULOUS PIECE OF SHIT. I won't read your response to that, because you don't fucking deserve it. Chi >^.^< ----- Original Message ----- From: "MIKO" To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 2:17 AM Subject: RE: Practice, rehearse, perform > Stop lying, Mrs. Who. Rewriting mythology accomplishes nothing except fuels > pain. Like adding a loop of children's music to a rape scene. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chi [mailto:patchwork.mail@virgin.net] > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 2:11 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform > > > Well you could always sit in the dark and play pinball machines, like Faust > did :) > Chi > >^.^< > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 22:25:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03171; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:23:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:23:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Practice, rehearse, perform Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:22:36 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021115134822.0271da60@phaesler.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The first statement is false. Practice increases the quality and complexity of performance toward the asymptotally approachable but never-achievable perfection we visualize- though never clearly- as the ideal of that which we are practicing. Practice can guarantee no contact with perfection. But it allows us to simulate perfection to a higher degree, until we find ourselves lost enough in the experience, itself, to have little desire left for perfection- we discover, perhaps- our own style- and how our own style is, in itself, the perfection that we initially sought. We find ourselves surprised- oh my God- perfection is here, where I stop, and free myself within the realm of the learning and the manifesting simultaneously... ??? Perhaps... Practice feeds the ego, kills the ego, gives birth to humility again and again... Balance appears on the horizon... then inspiration- then - then... We find ourselves playing for perfection or playing for time... We look back toward the perfect... we see it again as something separate from us... we still want to know it- better perhaps- this this- just better So we say "practice makes perfect" because we understand that believe the lie fuels the promise of transcendence toward the lie- and we make get to some perfection we saw as a child- maybe- after we've forgotten what it was , after we have redirected ourselves toward a perfection that suddenly, is grander than it was before... What was the perfection practice was going to let us find? When we began to practice, to make perfect, was it the same goal- as that which he will say we have "now" - after practicing? -----Original Message----- From: Woz [mailto:woz@phaesler.org] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 6:50 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform Practice makes perfect. Nobody's perfect. So why practice? :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 22:28:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03240; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:23:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:23:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c28c56$630f0500$16010150@q9s3n6> From: "Chi" To: References: <000c01c28c54$9ac8fd40$16010150@q9s3n6> Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 03:23:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At any rate, only Gunther Wüsthoff, Jean-Hervé Peron and Zappi Diermaier came over, so Blegvad found himself recruited as guitar player for Faust's first English tour. "We would arrive in these northern towns, and the first job Ruud Bosmer would be dispatched to perform would be to find a road crew and hire the pneumatic drill!" he recalls. "Somewhere there's a picture of me with hair down to here, wearing my wife's very feminine cardigan and bell-bottoms, playing this hydraulic drill. We left these beautiful Victorian polished parquet stages just chewed up! We played in pitch blackness, deafeningly loud, no melodies -- there was no relief. If you were bored playing, band members were encouraged to drop their instruments and play pinball instead." Chi >^.^< ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chi" To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 3:10 AM Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform > I agree with everyone -I am new here but I would love to say > FUCK OFF YOU UNSCRUPULOUS PIECE OF SHIT. > I won't read your response to that, because you don't fucking deserve it. > Chi > >^.^< > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MIKO" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 2:17 AM > Subject: RE: Practice, rehearse, perform > > > > Stop lying, Mrs. Who. Rewriting mythology accomplishes nothing except > fuels > > pain. Like adding a loop of children's music to a rape scene. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chi [mailto:patchwork.mail@virgin.net] > > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 2:11 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform > > > > > > Well you could always sit in the dark and play pinball machines, like > Faust > > did :) > > Chi > > >^.^< > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 22:28:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03861; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:28:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:28:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:26:46 -0600 Subject: Re: HOORAY FOR US!!!!! From: "Richard J. Roberts" To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3120154007_1061779_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3120154007_1061779_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable From: "Bill Fox" Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:34:43 -0500 To: Subject:=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" > Back then the term "minimalism" wasn't even in general use by the > press. We used to call it "pattern music." I've called it ostinato music. Don't recal if I heard it somewhere or coined it myself. The former is more likely, though. Cheers, Bill Hi Bill - I hope my comments are not too late to be of use, as I subscribe in digest form.=20 Ostinato music is the term I used for it for several years to describe my own repeating pattern pieces. Ostinato is the Italian musical term used to describe "a clearly defined melodic phrase which is persistently repeated, usually in the same voice part and at the same pitch, although in extended compositions it is sometimes transferred to another voice or to another pitch. It occurs most frequently in the bass, as basso ostinato. Compositions based throughout on such a basso ostinato are called grounds. The ostinato was used mainly in the Baroque period, but the 20th century has brought about a significant revival of this device." - The Harvard Brief Dictionary of Music All the Best, Richard --=20 Richard J. Roberts / ZERO OHMS=81 --MS_Mac_OE_3120154007_1061779_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: HOORAY FOR US!!!!! From: "Bill Fox" <billfox@fast= .net>
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From: "Richard Zvonar" <zvonar@zvonar= .com>
> Back then the term "minimalism" wasn't even in general use b= y the
> press. We used to call it "pattern music."

I've called it ostinato music.  Don't recal if I heard it somewhere or= coined it
myself.  The former is more likely, though.

Cheers,

Bill


Hi Bill -

I hope my comments are not too late to be of use, as I subscribe in digest = form.
Ostinato music is the term I used for it for several years to describe my o= wn repeating pattern pieces.  

Ostinato is the Italian musical term used to describe "a clearl= y defined melodic phrase which is persistently repeated, usually in the same= voice part and at the same pitch, although in extended compositions it is s= ometimes transferred to another voice or to another pitch. It occurs most fr= equently in the bass, as basso ostinato. Compositions based throughou= t on such a basso ostinato are called grounds. The ostinato was used = mainly in the Baroque period, but the 20th century has brought about a signi= ficant revival of this device." - The Harvard Brief Dictionary of Mu= sic



All the Best,

Richard
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Richard J. Roberts / ZERO OHMS=81
--MS_Mac_OE_3120154007_1061779_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 22:48:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05977; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:45:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:45:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009401c28c59$7b9a8f60$d1fcabd4@tin.it> From: "Amleto" To: Subject: I'm really sorry... Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 04:45:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm really sorry, excuse me, i sended you my mail in html, i was sure it was turned off..., i repeat it now: Hallo all You, I'm Sergio, I'm writing from italy, and I'm sorry for my english... I have a problem and the solution it is urgent! I have ordered a boss rc20 thinking it was the only looper. And now i know maybe it is the worse. Or anyway not the one i need. I have really a few time to stop the order. Well, i could try tomorrow even if you not answer me and wait for your answer. i'll do it, but i hope you'll answer soon... I am a young actor, even if my interests in music are strong. I saw a show by an alternative japanese group who did something in real time with voice. Very dramatic! I think they where using something like delay too and echo and reverb, but mostly they used loop. Sound on sound... I find it very useful. Well, i will explain what i would like from a looper: 1)to be able to record a sound which can last long (the global loop should definitively last longer that 10 seconds or 20. At least 1 or 2 minutes i think, even if it is difficult to know it now without any practical experience. I should create a sonic atmosphere on wich to act. So i would use it for voice, or maybe also keyboard. And i think i will need a long time). 2)to be able to record other sounds on the first one, overdub, sound on sound, i think those are the terms. 3)to be able to change the time of the global loop, and, if it is possible, of a single loop. Yes, I would really like to be able to change time to each loop. I know from your site that most of the looper have a limited time and limited loops. If there was limited time but unlimited loops could have been impossible to remember the position of a single loop. But with 10, for example, i could. And would be useful to be able to change volume and tempo, and also pitch, of each loop. 4)to be able to let me choose which loop to stop. In the order i want. If i have ten loops going on, i would like to stop all for a while and then start all again, and then to stop the first, then the fourth, then the last, for example. At least the last, and the new last, and so on, alias, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0. even if i should remember the order of any loop... I would prefer to be able to stop in the order i prefer. It would be unpleasant just to have to stop all or nothing! I could rerecord some of the loops again, but i should act while loops are playing, so i cant stop acting to sing a loop again... 5)to be able to choose both two of these: that if for example i have two loops, and the first is shorter, i should both let the first go on continuosly even is going out of phase, or let the first wait the end of the second and then to start again togheter... That's all. For a looper. If i could have some effects... I would like delay, reverb. Basically. Wonderfull if distortion, echo, and others... Edp seems the right one. But it is at least the double of price. I'm buying a boss rc20 for 375 euro, i think the same in $$. I don't know, i would remain without money but if you tell me that with the boss i can only record ten loops and let them go togheter and stop them togheter, mmm. Also i think to understand that edp has got some effect. Dl4 too, but the time of a loop is really too short. For me. I just have fear that i can't find here in sicily the memories to upgrade the time of the edp to those 3 minutes that should be enough for me. CAN YOU PLEASE HELP ME??? So, i am truely (i sincerely would not like to let you loose your time if i could loose it for you) unable to understand by myself wich one of all the possibilities does what i want. ah, all in real time absolutely, live performance... I sincerely thanks you... Sergio From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 22:48:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05856; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:43:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:43:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008401c28c59$14b55000$d1fcabd4@tin.it> From: "Amleto" To: Subject: Ciao to all! Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 04:42:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0081_01C28C61.755C6120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C28C61.755C6120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hallo all You,=20 I'm Sergio, I'm writing from italy, and I'm sorry for my english... I have a problem and the solution it is urgent! I have ordered a boss rc20 thinking it was the only looper. And now i = know maybe it is the worse. Or anyway not the one i need. I have really = a few time to stop the order. Well, i could try tomorrow even if you not = answer me and wait for your answer. i'll do it, but i hope you'll answer = soon... I am a young actor, even if my interests in music are strong. I saw a show by an alternative japanese group who did something in real = time with voice. Very dramatic! I think they where using something like = delay too and echo and reverb, but mostly they used loop. Sound on = sound...=20 I find it very useful. Well, i will explain what i would like from a looper: 1)to be able to record a sound which can last long (the global loop = should definitively last longer that 10 seconds or 20. At least 1 or 2 = minutes i think, even if it is difficult to know it now without any = practical experience. I should create a sonic atmosphere on wich to act. = So i would use it for voice, or maybe also keyboard. And i think i will = need a long time). 2)to be able to record other sounds on the first one, overdub, sound on = sound, i think those are the terms. 3)to be able to change the time of the global loop, and, if it is = possible, of a single loop. Yes, I would really like to be able to = change time to each loop. I know from your site that most of the looper = have a limited time and limited loops. If there was limited time but = unlimited loops could have been impossible to remember the position of a = single loop. But with 10, for example, i could. And would be useful to = be able to change volume and tempo, and also pitch, of each loop. 4)to be able to let me choose which loop to stop. In the order i want. = If i have ten loops going on, i would like to stop all for a while and = then start all again, and then to stop the first, then the fourth, then = the last, for example. At least the last, and the new last, and so on, = alias, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0. even if i should remember the = order of any loop... I would prefer to be able to stop in the order i = prefer. It would be unpleasant just to have to stop all or nothing! I = could rerecord some of the loops again, but i should act while loops are = playing, so i cant stop acting to sing a loop again... 5)to be able to choose both two of these: that if for example i have two = loops, and the first is shorter, i should both let the first go on = continuosly even is going out of phase, or let the first wait the end of = the second and then to start again togheter... That's all. For a looper. If i could have some effects... I would like delay, reverb. Basically. = Wonderfull if distortion, echo, and others... Edp seems the right one. But it is at least the double of price. I'm = buying a boss rc20 for 375 euro, i think the same in $$. I don't know, i = would remain without money but if you tell me that with the boss i can = only record ten loops and let them go togheter and stop them togheter, = mmm. Also i think to understand that edp has got some effect. Dl4 too, = but the time of a loop is really too short. For me. I just have fear = that i can't find here in sicily the memories to upgrade the time of the = edp to those 3 minutes that should be enough for me. CAN YOU PLEASE HELP ME??? So, i am truely (i sincerely would not like to let you loose your time = if i could loose it for you) unable to understand by myself wich one of = all the possibilities does what i want. ah, all in real time absolutely, live performance... I sincerely thanks you... Sergio ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C28C61.755C6120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hallo all You,
I'm Sergio, I'm writing from italy, and = I'm sorry=20 for my english...
I have a problem and the solution it is = urgent!
I have ordered a boss rc20 thinking it = was the only=20 looper. And now i know maybe it is the worse. Or anyway not the one i = need. I=20 have really a few time to stop the order. Well, i could try tomorrow = even if you=20 not answer me and wait for your answer. i'll do it, but i hope you'll = answer=20 soon...
I am a young actor, even if my = interests in=20 music are strong.
I saw a show by an alternative japanese = group who=20 did something in real time with voice. Very dramatic! I think they where = using=20 something like delay too and echo and reverb, but mostly they used loop. = Sound=20 on sound...
I find it very useful.
Well, i will explain what i would like = from a=20 looper:
1)to be able to record a sound which = can last long=20 (the global loop should definitively last longer that 10 seconds or 20. = At least=20 1 or 2 minutes i think, even if it is difficult to know it now without = any=20 practical experience. I should create a sonic atmosphere on wich to act. = So i=20 would use it for voice, or maybe also keyboard. And i think i will need = a long=20 time).
2)to be able to record other sounds on = the first=20 one, overdub, sound on sound, i think those are the terms.
3)to be able to change the time of the = global loop,=20 and, if it is possible, of a single loop. Yes, I would really like to be = able to=20 change time to each loop. I know from your site that most of the looper = have a=20 limited time and limited loops. If there was limited time but unlimited = loops=20 could have been impossible to remember the position of a single loop. = But with=20 10, for example, i could. And would be useful to be able to change = volume and=20 tempo, and also pitch, of each loop.
4)to be able to let me choose which = loop to stop.=20 In the order i want. If i have ten loops going on, i would like to stop = all for=20 a while and then start all again, and then to stop the first, then the = fourth,=20 then the last, for example. At least the last, and the new last, and so = on,=20 alias, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0. even if i should remember the = order of=20 any loop... I would prefer to be able to stop in the order i = prefer. It=20 would be unpleasant just to have to stop all or nothing! I could = rerecord some=20 of the loops again, but i should act while loops are playing, so i cant = stop=20 acting to sing a loop again...
5)to be able to choose both two of = these: that if=20 for example i have two loops, and the first is shorter, i should = both let=20 the first go on continuosly even is going out of phase, or let the=20 first wait the end of the second and then to start again=20 togheter...
That's all. For a = looper.
If i could have some effects... I would = like delay,=20 reverb. Basically. Wonderfull if distortion, echo, and = others...
Edp seems the right one. But it is at = least the=20 double of price. I'm buying a boss rc20 for 375 euro, i think the same = in $$. I=20 don't know, i would remain without money but if you tell me that with = the boss i=20 can only record ten loops and let them go togheter and stop them = togheter, mmm.=20 Also i think to understand that edp has got some effect. Dl4 too, but = the time=20 of a loop is really too short. For me. I just have fear that i can't = find here=20 in sicily the memories to upgrade the time of the edp to those 3 minutes = that=20 should be enough for me.
CAN YOU PLEASE HELP ME???
So, i am truely (i sincerely would not = like=20 to let you loose your time if i could loose it for you) unable to=20 understand by myself wich one of all the possibilities does what i=20 want.
 ah, all in real time absolutely, = live=20 performance...
I sincerely thanks you...
Sergio
------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C28C61.755C6120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 22:53:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07561; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:52:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:52:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Practice, rehearse, perform Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:52:01 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000401c28c56$630f0500$16010150@q9s3n6> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I do not know who you are but you're positively evil. Do you simply not believe in beautiful outcomes? -----Original Message----- From: Chi [mailto:patchwork.mail@virgin.net] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 7:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform At any rate, only Gunther Wüsthoff, Jean-Hervé Peron and Zappi Diermaier came over, so Blegvad found himself recruited as guitar player for Faust's first English tour. "We would arrive in these northern towns, and the first job Ruud Bosmer would be dispatched to perform would be to find a road crew and hire the pneumatic drill!" he recalls. "Somewhere there's a picture of me with hair down to here, wearing my wife's very feminine cardigan and bell-bottoms, playing this hydraulic drill. We left these beautiful Victorian polished parquet stages just chewed up! We played in pitch blackness, deafeningly loud, no melodies -- there was no relief. If you were bored playing, band members were encouraged to drop their instruments and play pinball instead." Chi >^.^< ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chi" To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 3:10 AM Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform > I agree with everyone -I am new here but I would love to say > FUCK OFF YOU UNSCRUPULOUS PIECE OF SHIT. > I won't read your response to that, because you don't fucking deserve it. > Chi > >^.^< > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MIKO" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 2:17 AM > Subject: RE: Practice, rehearse, perform > > > > Stop lying, Mrs. Who. Rewriting mythology accomplishes nothing except > fuels > > pain. Like adding a loop of children's music to a rape scene. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chi [mailto:patchwork.mail@virgin.net] > > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 2:11 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform > > > > > > Well you could always sit in the dark and play pinball machines, like > Faust > > did :) > > Chi > > >^.^< > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 14 23:00:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09529; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:59:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:59:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: I'm really sorry... Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:58:58 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <009401c28c59$7b9a8f60$d1fcabd4@tin.it> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Will think about a reply and send to you personally, Mr. To Die For. By this I do not mean the first HTML reply that I sent. I may not know the answer, but I hate leaving desperate souls in states of complete self-reliance. It's best to offer clues until they make it to the space of their own insight, at least. Sorry to others for posting this advance-of-reply reply. -----Original Message----- From: Amleto [mailto:tosleeptodienomore@supereva.it] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 7:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: I'm really sorry... I'm really sorry, excuse me, i sended you my mail in html, i was sure it was turned off..., i repeat it now: Hallo all You, I'm Sergio, I'm writing from italy, and I'm sorry for my english... I have a problem and the solution it is urgent! I have ordered a boss rc20 thinking it was the only looper. And now i know maybe it is the worse. Or anyway not the one i need. I have really a few time to stop the order. Well, i could try tomorrow even if you not answer me and wait for your answer. i'll do it, but i hope you'll answer soon... I am a young actor, even if my interests in music are strong. I saw a show by an alternative japanese group who did something in real time with voice. Very dramatic! I think they where using something like delay too and echo and reverb, but mostly they used loop. Sound on sound... I find it very useful. Well, i will explain what i would like from a looper: 1)to be able to record a sound which can last long (the global loop should definitively last longer that 10 seconds or 20. At least 1 or 2 minutes i think, even if it is difficult to know it now without any practical experience. I should create a sonic atmosphere on wich to act. So i would use it for voice, or maybe also keyboard. And i think i will need a long time). 2)to be able to record other sounds on the first one, overdub, sound on sound, i think those are the terms. 3)to be able to change the time of the global loop, and, if it is possible, of a single loop. Yes, I would really like to be able to change time to each loop. I know from your site that most of the looper have a limited time and limited loops. If there was limited time but unlimited loops could have been impossible to remember the position of a single loop. But with 10, for example, i could. And would be useful to be able to change volume and tempo, and also pitch, of each loop. 4)to be able to let me choose which loop to stop. In the order i want. If i have ten loops going on, i would like to stop all for a while and then start all again, and then to stop the first, then the fourth, then the last, for example. At least the last, and the new last, and so on, alias, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0. even if i should remember the order of any loop... I would prefer to be able to stop in the order i prefer. It would be unpleasant just to have to stop all or nothing! I could rerecord some of the loops again, but i should act while loops are playing, so i cant stop acting to sing a loop again... 5)to be able to choose both two of these: that if for example i have two loops, and the first is shorter, i should both let the first go on continuosly even is going out of phase, or let the first wait the end of the second and then to start again togheter... That's all. For a looper. If i could have some effects... I would like delay, reverb. Basically. Wonderfull if distortion, echo, and others... Edp seems the right one. But it is at least the double of price. I'm buying a boss rc20 for 375 euro, i think the same in $$. I don't know, i would remain without money but if you tell me that with the boss i can only record ten loops and let them go togheter and stop them togheter, mmm. Also i think to understand that edp has got some effect. Dl4 too, but the time of a loop is really too short. For me. I just have fear that i can't find here in sicily the memories to upgrade the time of the edp to those 3 minutes that should be enough for me. CAN YOU PLEASE HELP ME??? So, i am truely (i sincerely would not like to let you loose your time if i could loose it for you) unable to understand by myself wich one of all the possibilities does what i want. ah, all in real time absolutely, live performance... I sincerely thanks you... Sergio From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 00:31:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24059; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:29:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:29:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021115162124.02721c90@phaesler.org> X-Sender: woz@phaesler.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:24:01 +1100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Woz Subject: RE: Practice, rehearse, perform In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021115134822.0271da60@phaesler.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh dear MIKO. Such a long winded serious response to such a an un serious remark. I wasn't serious. Seriously yours...Woz At 02:22 PM 15/11/02, you wrote: >The first statement is false. > >Practice increases the quality and complexity of performance toward the >asymptotally approachable but never-achievable perfection we visualize- >though never clearly- as the ideal of that which we are practicing. > >Practice can guarantee no contact with perfection. But it allows us to >simulate perfection to a higher degree, until we find ourselves lost enough >in the experience, itself, to have little desire left for perfection- we >discover, perhaps- our own style- and how our own style is, in itself, the >perfection that we initially sought. We find ourselves surprised- oh my >God- perfection is here, where I stop, and free myself within the realm of >the learning and the manifesting simultaneously... ??? Perhaps... > >Practice feeds the ego, kills the ego, gives birth to humility again and >again... > >Balance appears on the horizon... then inspiration- then - then... > >We find ourselves playing for perfection or playing for time... We look >back toward the perfect... we see it again as something separate from us... >we still want to know it- better perhaps- this this- just better > >So we say "practice makes perfect" because we understand that believe the >lie fuels the promise of transcendence toward the lie- and we make get to >some perfection we saw as a child- maybe- after we've forgotten what it was >, after we have redirected ourselves toward a perfection that suddenly, is >grander than it was before... > >What was the perfection practice was going to let us find? When we began to >practice, to make perfect, was it the same goal- as that which he will say >we have "now" - after practicing? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Woz [mailto:woz@phaesler.org] >Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 6:50 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform > > > >Practice makes perfect. Nobody's perfect. So why practice? > :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 00:32:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24564; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:32:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:32:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:33:13 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance @ Zeitgeist 11.16 with Birdsongs of the Mesozoic Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'll be doing video improvisations at the Zeitgeist Gallery in Cambridge, with -BIRDSONGS OF THE MESOZOIC -DAVID GROSS & BRENDAN MURRAY: "CADDYSHACK" Its always a pleasure to work with Birdsongs, and I'm looking forward to working with Dave and Brendan. Hope some of you can make it BIRDSONGS OF THE MESOZOIC! Michael Bierylo - guitar, computer Ken Field - saxophone/flute, percussion Erik Lindgren - piano Rick Scott - synthesizer Birdsongs will preview brand new material from our forthcoming Cuneiform release "The Iridium Controversy", due out in 2003, plus music from our 20-year repertoire. This is our first Cambridge gig in quite some time. "Birdsongs is distinguished by a sound that's at once avant-garde and organic, contemporary-sounding and primal-feeling...their reach is vast." (The Boston Globe) "The band captures one's imagination with memorable melodies, crunching ensemble work and truly spirited interplay as the strong writing often spawns wonderment." (All About Jazz) "Twenty years after forming, this group is still on the cutting edge...Birdsongs melds layers of sound best described as the soundtrack to a primordial epic." (Boston Magazine) "A Boston band that compresses Stravinsky, Steve Reich, and Question Mark and the Mysterians into keyboard driven stomps." - Jon Pareles The New York Times DAVID GROSS & BRENDAN MURRAY: "CADDYSHACK" David Gross - keyboard & electronics Brendan Murray - electronics Labeled as "One of Boston's steadfast explorers," by Bob Blumenthal of the Boston Globe, saxophonist and clarinetist David Gross discovered the world of improvised music while studting with Yusef Lateef at Hampshire College. He has performed with Le Quan Ninh, Eddie Prevost, Steve Roden, Gino Robair, Martin Tetreault, Kaffe Matthews, Glenn Spearman, Raphe Malik and many members of the Boston free-improv scene including Bhob Rainey, Greg Kelley, and Laurence Cook. Currently, Gross is transforming the saxophone into exactly what it is: a metal tube with keys, mouthpiece, and a reed. Reviews of his recordings, on his own Tautology label with ensembles EED and FETISH, have been as varied as "The range of textured noise that he cajoles from his instrument is impressive" to "lengthy episodes of fingernails ripping at a blackboard". He has performed throughout the US including at festivals as diverse as The KNOB (Witchita, KS), Big Sur Festival of Experimental Music (CA), High Zero (Baltimore, MD), Improvised and Otherwise (NYC) and Autumn Uprising (MA) which he created in 1997. @ THE ZEITGEIST GALLERY 1353 Cambridge St. Inman Sq. Cambridge 69 Bus from Harvard Gate all shows 8 pm all shows $10 or b/o all ages NEW PHONE: 617.876.6060 http://www.zeitgeist-gallery.org/ -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 00:40:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25721; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:40:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:40:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Practice, rehearse, perform Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:39:13 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021115162124.02721c90@phaesler.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's serious only because this message comes from Headquarters: "You shall never reach the other side of music. Be sure that the earthlings know. With all of my unachievable love, Corporal Peter Pan." -----Original Message----- From: Woz [mailto:woz@phaesler.org] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 9:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Practice, rehearse, perform Oh dear MIKO. Such a long winded serious response to such a an un serious remark. I wasn't serious. Seriously yours...Woz At 02:22 PM 15/11/02, you wrote: >The first statement is false. > >Practice increases the quality and complexity of performance toward the >asymptotally approachable but never-achievable perfection we visualize- >though never clearly- as the ideal of that which we are practicing. > >Practice can guarantee no contact with perfection. But it allows us to >simulate perfection to a higher degree, until we find ourselves lost enough >in the experience, itself, to have little desire left for perfection- we >discover, perhaps- our own style- and how our own style is, in itself, the >perfection that we initially sought. We find ourselves surprised- oh my >God- perfection is here, where I stop, and free myself within the realm of >the learning and the manifesting simultaneously... ??? Perhaps... > >Practice feeds the ego, kills the ego, gives birth to humility again and >again... > >Balance appears on the horizon... then inspiration- then - then... > >We find ourselves playing for perfection or playing for time... We look >back toward the perfect... we see it again as something separate from us... >we still want to know it- better perhaps- this this- just better > >So we say "practice makes perfect" because we understand that believe the >lie fuels the promise of transcendence toward the lie- and we make get to >some perfection we saw as a child- maybe- after we've forgotten what it was >, after we have redirected ourselves toward a perfection that suddenly, is >grander than it was before... > >What was the perfection practice was going to let us find? When we began to >practice, to make perfect, was it the same goal- as that which he will say >we have "now" - after practicing? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Woz [mailto:woz@phaesler.org] >Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 6:50 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform > > > >Practice makes perfect. Nobody's perfect. So why practice? > :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 00:48:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26233; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:42:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:42:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Video Performance @ Zeitgeist 11.16 with Birdsongs of the Mesozoic Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:41:47 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I hear birds have no word for "complaint"... -----Original Message----- From: Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) [mailto:emile@foryourhead.com] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 9:33 PM To: DrTVideo@egroups.com Subject: Video Performance @ Zeitgeist 11.16 with Birdsongs of the Mesozoic Hi folks, I'll be doing video improvisations at the Zeitgeist Gallery in Cambridge, with -BIRDSONGS OF THE MESOZOIC -DAVID GROSS & BRENDAN MURRAY: "CADDYSHACK" Its always a pleasure to work with Birdsongs, and I'm looking forward to working with Dave and Brendan. Hope some of you can make it BIRDSONGS OF THE MESOZOIC! Michael Bierylo - guitar, computer Ken Field - saxophone/flute, percussion Erik Lindgren - piano Rick Scott - synthesizer Birdsongs will preview brand new material from our forthcoming Cuneiform release "The Iridium Controversy", due out in 2003, plus music from our 20-year repertoire. This is our first Cambridge gig in quite some time. "Birdsongs is distinguished by a sound that's at once avant-garde and organic, contemporary-sounding and primal-feeling...their reach is vast." (The Boston Globe) "The band captures one's imagination with memorable melodies, crunching ensemble work and truly spirited interplay as the strong writing often spawns wonderment." (All About Jazz) "Twenty years after forming, this group is still on the cutting edge...Birdsongs melds layers of sound best described as the soundtrack to a primordial epic." (Boston Magazine) "A Boston band that compresses Stravinsky, Steve Reich, and Question Mark and the Mysterians into keyboard driven stomps." - Jon Pareles The New York Times DAVID GROSS & BRENDAN MURRAY: "CADDYSHACK" David Gross - keyboard & electronics Brendan Murray - electronics Labeled as "One of Boston's steadfast explorers," by Bob Blumenthal of the Boston Globe, saxophonist and clarinetist David Gross discovered the world of improvised music while studting with Yusef Lateef at Hampshire College. He has performed with Le Quan Ninh, Eddie Prevost, Steve Roden, Gino Robair, Martin Tetreault, Kaffe Matthews, Glenn Spearman, Raphe Malik and many members of the Boston free-improv scene including Bhob Rainey, Greg Kelley, and Laurence Cook. Currently, Gross is transforming the saxophone into exactly what it is: a metal tube with keys, mouthpiece, and a reed. Reviews of his recordings, on his own Tautology label with ensembles EED and FETISH, have been as varied as "The range of textured noise that he cajoles from his instrument is impressive" to "lengthy episodes of fingernails ripping at a blackboard". He has performed throughout the US including at festivals as diverse as The KNOB (Witchita, KS), Big Sur Festival of Experimental Music (CA), High Zero (Baltimore, MD), Improvised and Otherwise (NYC) and Autumn Uprising (MA) which he created in 1997. @ THE ZEITGEIST GALLERY 1353 Cambridge St. Inman Sq. Cambridge 69 Bus from Harvard Gate all shows 8 pm all shows $10 or b/o all ages NEW PHONE: 617.876.6060 http://www.zeitgeist-gallery.org/ -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 00:51:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27931; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:50:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:50:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:50:40 -0800 Subject: Re: Video Performance @ Zeitgeist 11.16 with Birdsongs of the Mesozoic From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow. I remember seeing Birdsongs of the Mesozoic at the Blind Pig in Ann Arbor in 1987 or so. I also have Michael Bierylo's Lifeline album. I had no idea that he'd joined Birdsongs or that Birdsongs still existed. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 00:55:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28597; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:54:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:54:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Practice, rehearse, perform Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:53:27 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20021114105707.00830100@pop.earthlink.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Goddess, love your posts. Try playing with that microtonal bass- I want to hear how you post the result. -----Original Message----- From: Goddess [mailto:thefates@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 9:57 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform What about "up here?" lol! no ego here... lollollol! Douglas, nice to see your posts here. I always love reading them. Thank you... Anyway, you said in reply to Nemoguitt, But I doubt if you would choose to "practice" when you are ostensibly performing for an audience: "hmmm. Maybe I should see if I can introduce exactly one new note every minute for my entire set. Maybe I should rewire my looper thingie so it comes before my atomic effects atomizer thingie, then route it back into the looper thingie with just a touch of feedback. Maybe I should play this new microtonal bass, even though I've never even held it before." Nomsane? I've actually done exactly this on several occasions. -played instruments I'd never played before in a live performance setting. additionally, I've been asked literally, two minutes before a show to play material I'd not rehearsed, and was not familiar with, with people I'd never met, upon simply one of them hearing what I've done improvisationally. Also, regarding the idea of rewiring one's gear or some such idea on stage, -don't we do something very similar to this in the face of limitation or unexpected circumstance such as technical difficulties, or strings breaking and such, which might not be the easiest to deal with at a moment's notice. We adapt. We are creative in front of an audience, and practicing new ways of performing as we perform. So in my examples above, am I practicing or playing, or both? The whole idea of improv itself as it relates to these concepts is also very interesting. Is it practice or play? -Is it live or is it Memorex?... lol! Thanks again for such an interesting post. Have a wonderful day!, K? Smiles, CQ At 11:43 AM 11/14/02 -0500, you wrote: >Per wrote: > >> You might also try: >> >> "Practice / practice even harder / forget it all / get up there and >> play" ;-) > >Well said! I like "up there" as an all-encompassing phrase. Although it >immediately brings forth the image of a stage, it could be a state of being: >I am no longer down here, I am up there. > >Nemoguitt wrote: >>i yearn to play with other musicians but it never happens..... > >What I find fascinating about the transition from practice to rehersal is >that, in rehersal, I am outside myself. I become my own critical listener. I >am playing what I've practiced, but with an objective ear examining whether >I am getting "up there." I practice for myself, but I rehearse for my other >self as I would for another musician. I am still not playing "for the >world," as a performance would be. > >>99.9% i play by myself with my boxes, sometimes to an audience.....playing >(looping) whatever it is that i do is turning more and more into a crap >shoot, i roll dem bones and step on record and i'm off.....so i dont know if >there is a difference between: practice, rehearse, perform.....to me its all >kismet/zietgiest..... > >But I doubt if you would choose to "practice" when you are ostensibly >performing for an audience: "hmmm. Maybe I should see if I can introduce >exactly one new note every minute for my entire set. Maybe I should rewire >my looper thingie so it comes before my atomic effects atomizer thingie, >then route it back into the looper thingie with just a touch of feedback. >Maybe I should play this new microtonal bass, even though I've never even >held it before." Nomsane? > >And David wrote: >>There are three other modes used to bring music into this world: we also, >beg, borrow and steal! >And, do I detect some borrowing here... :-) > >Yes, when I was playing with The Wes Houston Band, circa 1979-80, one >musician was relentlessly practicing his part as the others sat about. It >was supposed to be a rehersal. Wes announced with excellent authority: "Hey! >Practice at home! This is a rehersal! We've got a gig tonight!" I've used it >ever since to sort out what was/is attempting to be accomplished. > >>You are of course correct in what you say, however. > >Thank you! > >And Greg House wrote: > >>While it's nice if your playing is effortless, but along the lines of the >other >thread I was just writing on, it can make for a more interesting performance >if >your looping appears LESS effortless. > >And, wiseass that I am, I have an aphorism about appearance. "Music is the >performance of sound; theater is the performance of appearance." Many >musicians add theater to their performances. Some even do so intentionally! > ciao for now >Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large >coyotelk@optonline.net > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 01:01:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30777; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:01:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:01:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DD48D65.6060101@minds-eye.org> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:00:05 -0800 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Visuals in performance References: <20021114224550.73648.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> <06a601c28c3a$c77153c0$080210ac@jpalmer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Having dabbled in lights and projections for live music I have to jump in here. I personally love to go to a show that has a good light show simply for the fact that it makes for a far more satisfying sensorial experience (for me at least). I can understand the whole 'let the music stand on its own' kind of thing and the presence of bad visuals can certainly be a distraction but I think a good light show with a performance can take the whole thing to a much higher place. The strangest experience I've had doing lights involved projecting abstract films behind a band while they played. Keep in mind, this was behind the band, they couldn't see this at all. There was one short segment that dramatically changed the intensity and the quality of the music (improv) when it came on. We only did this twice so no statistical accuracy here, but both times, the performance changed direction and got more intense for the duration of the film (and no the audience didn't signal any kind of change either). At the end of the clip, the band changed pace again and moved off in another direction. It was very odd and very cool. I think that a good visual presentation of any sort serves to engage 'more' of the audience's attention and this is I think, a good thing. Sure, they may not be staring at your feet trying to make out what pedals you're using, or what fret you're playing (sorry non-guitarists), but I think that they are nonetheless 'engaged' in the performance in ways that music alone may not match. And no, I'm not saying I can't or don't enjoy music without anything to look at. I frequently close my eyes at gigs to check that world out as well. But, I have eyes that are capable of registering things that my ears can't and I like to be open to a wider response to music than just the sound alone. I wonder then, if I start spontaneously hallucinating during a performance, does this mean I'm part of the "non-auditory audience" since I had to work the visual thing in :-) Kevin jim palmer wrote: >>>so why don't you just buy the video? >>> >>I like improvisation, and I like something real. >> >>me too. note: nothing visual required for either... >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 01:13:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA32450; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:12:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:12:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010b01c28c6d$e939d300$d1fcabd4@tin.it> From: "Amleto" To: References: Subject: Re: I'm really sorry... Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:11:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ciao Miko! Thanks for replying! I wait for your answer, i would just please you and the others to follow the numbers i wrote about what i would like. This is for me to be able to understand better. Especially if you will use a simple english and will explain tecnic terms... And so to just write for each number what the other loopers you know do or not. Also the boss, because even reading the boss site i still am not able to understand tecnical caracteristics... I need to control the sound in real time, and to not stop to act to control it. Well, to act with the voice i mean. So, if i start with one loop, and then i add more loops, if after i need just the first loop, or even not the first, any one of the loops alone, i would like to be able to have it alone. If i have to reach this be deleting the others one by one it could be ok, even if not perfect. Could be interesting a "solo" function. If there are memories for a number of loop could be easy to have such a function, i don't understand why loopers seem not to have it. This is the more important. To be able to create a atmospheare with a loop on the other and the to go back in the order i want or at least from the last to the first. I don't understand if in hte boss i have to delete all the loops togheter. After comes the possibility to control time, pitch and volume of any loop. Anyway, if it is for the global loop it could be good the same. I absolutely neeed more than two loops. I wouold like as much as i want, but anyway, as more as possible, the number and the timing, i mean how long they are. If there is a number, it would be useful to be able to choose wich loop to change for the new one. I mean, if there are only ten loops, it would be not good if the last delete the last, or the last delete the first. I would like to decide wich one to delete. Even if i don't understand: there is a difference beetween number of loops and number of overdubbings? The number of loop means the number of memories i can control (end, volume, tempo) separately, and each of this memory i can overdub it as much as i want? Or to overdub mean always to create a new loop? Well, i will not bore you anymore. Thanks! Sergio ----- Original Message ----- From: MIKO To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 4:58 AM Subject: RE: I'm really sorry... Will think about a reply and send to you personally, Mr. To Die For. By this I do not mean the first HTML reply that I sent. I may not know the answer, but I hate leaving desperate souls in states of complete self-reliance. It's best to offer clues until they make it to the space of their own insight, at least. Sorry to others for posting this advance-of-reply reply. -----Original Message----- From: Amleto [mailto:tosleeptodienomore@supereva.it] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 7:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: I'm really sorry... I'm really sorry, excuse me, i sended you my mail in html, i was sure it was turned off..., i repeat it now: Hallo all You, I'm Sergio, I'm writing from italy, and I'm sorry for my english... I have a problem and the solution it is urgent! I have ordered a boss rc20 thinking it was the only looper. And now i know maybe it is the worse. Or anyway not the one i need. I have really a few time to stop the order. Well, i could try tomorrow even if you not answer me and wait for your answer. i'll do it, but i hope you'll answer soon... I am a young actor, even if my interests in music are strong. I saw a show by an alternative japanese group who did something in real time with voice. Very dramatic! I think they where using something like delay too and echo and reverb, but mostly they used loop. Sound on sound... I find it very useful. Well, i will explain what i would like from a looper: 1)to be able to record a sound which can last long (the global loop should definitively last longer that 10 seconds or 20. At least 1 or 2 minutes i think, even if it is difficult to know it now without any practical experience. I should create a sonic atmosphere on wich to act. So i would use it for voice, or maybe also keyboard. And i think i will need a long time). 2)to be able to record other sounds on the first one, overdub, sound on sound, i think those are the terms. 3)to be able to change the time of the global loop, and, if it is possible, of a single loop. Yes, I would really like to be able to change time to each loop. I know from your site that most of the looper have a limited time and limited loops. If there was limited time but unlimited loops could have been impossible to remember the position of a single loop. But with 10, for example, i could. And would be useful to be able to change volume and tempo, and also pitch, of each loop. 4)to be able to let me choose which loop to stop. In the order i want. If i have ten loops going on, i would like to stop all for a while and then start all again, and then to stop the first, then the fourth, then the last, for example. At least the last, and the new last, and so on, alias, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0. even if i should remember the order of any loop... I would prefer to be able to stop in the order i prefer. It would be unpleasant just to have to stop all or nothing! I could rerecord some of the loops again, but i should act while loops are playing, so i cant stop acting to sing a loop again... 5)to be able to choose both two of these: that if for example i have two loops, and the first is shorter, i should both let the first go on continuosly even is going out of phase, or let the first wait the end of the second and then to start again togheter... That's all. For a looper. If i could have some effects... I would like delay, reverb. Basically. Wonderfull if distortion, echo, and others... Edp seems the right one. But it is at least the double of price. I'm buying a boss rc20 for 375 euro, i think the same in $$. I don't know, i would remain without money but if you tell me that with the boss i can only record ten loops and let them go togheter and stop them togheter, mmm. Also i think to understand that edp has got some effect. Dl4 too, but the time of a loop is really too short. For me. I just have fear that i can't find here in sicily the memories to upgrade the time of the edp to those 3 minutes that should be enough for me. CAN YOU PLEASE HELP ME??? So, i am truely (i sincerely would not like to let you loose your time if i could loose it for you) unable to understand by myself wich one of all the possibilities does what i want. ah, all in real time absolutely, live performance... I sincerely thanks you... Sergio From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 01:48:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03441; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:43:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:43:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.6; T1.001; A1.51; B2.12; Q2.03) From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:43:34 -0500 X-Epoch: 1037342614 X-Sasl-enc: qAcF06gyi1Zsxf+HXQ5Xmw Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform Message-Id: <20021115064334.410C92FD1B@server3.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:40:49 -0800, "Mark" said: > I'm thinking of abandoning my 100% (except for drums sequences) improv > method of live > music because I'm realizing that it's just too hard to be "there" all the > time. I had a bit of an epiphany about this last night. I tend go for 100% improv too, but it's so hit and miss...I realized that I tend to gravitate towards certain patterns, so I could make "process compositions". Something like "For this piece, I'm gonna record a short chord, then switch to reverse and add some harmonics. Then I'll pass them through a filter..." and so on. So the action would always be the same and would make up the "composition" but the notes would be improvised. Of course I don't see myself following that strictly, but it's a nice way to have a gameplan and have a little consistency...I think...I haven't actually tried it yet... Ernesto -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm - I mean, what is it about a decent email service? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 03:13:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA15235; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 03:10:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 03:10:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:08:10 -0800 Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021115134822.0271da60@phaesler.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Practice makes perfect. Nobody's perfect. So why practice? > :) > that is a well known(by a lotta people) billy corgan,smashing pumkins quote. he probably stole it,too... this happens alot on the web. there is a quote and its not attributed to anyone-so i just point that out. quibble quibble quibble s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 03:44:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16415; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 03:40:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 03:40:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Practice, rehearse, perform Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:40:14 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001801c28c82$9e0acbe0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20021115064334.410C92FD1B@server3.fastmail.fm> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8pyJpC.A.PAE.wLL19@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:40:49 -0800, "Mark" > said: > > I'm thinking of abandoning my 100% (except for drums > sequences) improv > > method of live music because I'm realizing that it's just > too hard to > > be "there" all the time. > > I had a bit of an epiphany about this last night. I tend go > for 100% improv too, but it's so hit and miss...I realized > that I tend to gravitate towards certain patterns, so I could > make "process compositions". Something like "For this piece, > I'm gonna record a short chord, then switch to reverse and > add some harmonics. Then I'll pass them through a filter..." > and so on. > > Ernesto Sounds like an inspiring strategy :-) It's a life long project to stay out of your own footsteps. "Process compositions" - hmm... interesting word you invented there :-) Once in a duo, that performed 100% improvised music, we sometimes set up similar rules for ourselves. Like "this time we're going to start out with the loudest and most ugly note we can produce with our instruments and then we hold it for at least ten seconds... and then see what happens". The trick was that no key or special note was given, so the initial two-note chord was random. Sometimes we surprised ourselves and the concert was kicked off into a new direction right from the start. Another trick I tried when playing on my own with a midi guitar, sampler and guitar amp, was to prepare a bunch of sampler patch/mapping set-ups and save them to floppies with no labels. Before the gig I randomly picked one and loaded the sampler. So on starting to play guitar I never knew exactly which electronic sounds would be triggered from different frets on different strings (each string = a midi cha of its own). A musician friend told me he and his band had tried to play in complete darkness. Everyone in the band got totally mesmerized by the experience and they immediately came up with many new sounds and songs. He, he... This post is starting to sound like spam (better stop here). You know, a couple of fabricated success stories and then "place your order by VISA" ;-) Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 03:52:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16836; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 03:49:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 03:49:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Practice, rehearse, perform Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:48:54 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001901c28c83$d3f09900$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Practice makes perfect. Nobody's perfect. So why practice? > > :) > > > that is a well known(by a lotta people) billy corgan,smashing > pumkins quote. he probably stole it,too... this happens alot > on the web. there is a quote and its not attributed to > anyone-so i just point that out. quibble quibble quibble s Yes, but who ever invented that quote, I don't think it's true. IMO practice doesn't make perfect. Practice brings personality into what you are doing. It's stupidity that makes perfect! What do you think about that? / Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 04:23:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19728; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 04:17:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 04:17:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 04:17:05 EST Subject: Calling all using Yahoo for email To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there Yahoo users, bad news there's something about the Yahoo emails that leave the digest version of this list more or less unreadable good news there seems to be a way to fix this easily, by making sure posts are in plain text Please fix this if you can remember even MIKO sends his posts in plain text out of consideration for others;-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 04:51:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA23183; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 04:50:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 04:50:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004d01c28c8c$c46d4240$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <20021114195437.17309.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> <066e01c28c20$c8dffdc0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform, SACDs Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:49:45 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "jim palmer" put forth: > >I enjoy watching people play, especially if they themselves > > are enjoying it (and it shows). The visual definitely augments the sound. > > > > Greg > > > > well, at least you admit your not a musician... > (joke) > > really, the term "poser" was coined for this sentiment. > i personally am not interested in adding theater to my music performances. > ... > (not that there's anything wrong with that) I suspect that doing a blanket-application of the term "poser", much less "non-musician" is effete at best, and limited by self-definition. Do your own show any way you like Jim, but it's much more gracious to just say "It's not my style", or "I don't prefer it". > if i were to do that, i would probably collaborate with someone who could make it their focus. > > but once you do so, you shouldn't try to separate yourself from the 80's metal guy with long > hair and a wind machine holding a power chord, striking a rockstar pose and grimacing menacingly. > after all, that's all he is doing... I can only assume you're attempting parody here. Has the above been done in the past 10 years, in any event? Sounds like you're in LA. It's so easy to assume the rest of the world is like LA, when you're in the area for an extended period of time. What IS "adding theater", anyway? I think it's a lot more than just striking a pose and hoping people will look at you, to slightly paraphrase Laurie Anderson... ... > (not that there's anything wrong with that) > > btw, it was no accident that the first video on mtv was "video killed the radio star" > most of the modern audience is more interested in visuals than in music. > i find the general audiences preoccupation with visuals somewhat akin to > people who can't read a book without pictures. I think this is an attitude that was pretty common towards the end of the Record Business' control, and quite justifiable in many cases. The advent of music video channels only extended the life span of the dinosaurs in the Big Five, but all that great technology can only last yez so far, especially if you're as creatively bankrupt as THEY are. In the future the Big Five will be known for Big Hair Bands, Corporate Rock, Disco, Boy Bands, Girl Bands, and Videos With Synchronized Dancing, as well as their frantic scrambling to prevent everyone else from producing their own music AND video. We've already been through the "You Gotta Makea Video" phase, and for a while it was necessary because MTTV is part of their "pipeline" - God knows enough artists complained about this publicly, and many just don't make videos altogether. Well, home recording came along, prices fell, all this great gear got into peoples' hands - and through the Big Five's fingers - and there's more than one collection of pipelines for music now. Why do you think the RIAA and their buddies have been running around screaming "copyright infringement" for the past several years, and attempting to get copyright and royalties laws changed to their benefit? (Hint, it wasn't just to make more Big Hair Bands!) When broadband becomes the norm, it won't just be our music that becomes available on the Internet, but also, should we choose to make them, video works. I've got one very close to finished right now, actually. Does that make me a poser? Or somehow less than an Artist? Moderation, alas, isn't a virtue one only applies to ones intake, isn't it? ******************** An aside on "Video Killed the Radio Star", if I might. Good Beginnings of a thing are often remembered for far longer than the things themselves, and more often than not may not be a norm for that thing's process-in-general. The Buggles' song was played on the radio in NYC long before MTTV was in even 10% of homes. And, for several years after its founding, MTTV was desperate enough for material to play that they ran Juice Newton videos. Some of you folks in the NYC area may remember "The Quadfather", WQIV, NYC's first quadraphonic station in 1974-5. It had previously been a classical station that had gone bust, losing its license. The last piece played on WQIV as a classical station was Beethoven's Fifth Symphony. Midnight passed, and, after a simple "This is WQIV New York", the first piece played was ELO's rendition of "Roll Over Beethoven". Great Beginning! You might know that, after fierce lobbying in Congress, WQIV was retaken by the original owners, and changed back to Stereo Classical music. Simultaneously Quad also bit the big one - and so "The Quadfather" was lost to the sands of time. I personally thought Quadraphonic stuff was outstanding - No one who's ever listened to the Quad version of Tubular Bells can say anything less - and welcome the new Surround stuff that's becoming affordable for folks like us. While Sony's SACDs may not be ultimately accepted by the market, there are some wonderful remixes out there - Fleetwood Mac's "Rumours" amongst them - that really let you LISTEN to what's being played, instead of just accepting the presentation, so to speak. Now back to our regularly-scheduled posing. S.P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 09:45:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31847; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:30:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:30:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <029f01c28cb3$5b9c4dc0$25e35cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #295 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:28:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #295 November 14, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Two Dutch Bands, Free System Projekt and Wave World. The Featured CD at midnight was disc one of the two CD set "Cloudseeder" by Wave World on the VFR label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Audion" by Synergy (a.k.a. Larry Fast) on the Passport Records label. I also played the music of Radio Massacre International who will be in concert at the next Gathering on November 16. Two Dutch Bands http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#nov The Gathering http://thegatherings.org PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Synergy Orbit Five Audion (Passport Records) Synergy Revolt at L-5 Audion (Passport Records) Steve Curtain Phase Machine I Wires On Dry Trees Turn Night Into Day (none) RMI Planets in the Wires Planets in the Wires (Northern Echo Recordins) Metlay! Annapurna 2k2 After Silence (Atomic City) VA [Fanger, Schonwalder Echo Gods [Tom van Draft First Decade 1992-2002 with Lutz Ulbrich Remix] (Manikin) Mikronesia Barron Mikronesia (none) vidnaObmana Echoes of Steel - I An Opera for Four Fusion Works (Hypnos) Wave World Star's End - Part I Cloudseeder (VFR) 12:00 am Wave World Cloudseeder Cloudseeder (VFR) Wave World Psycho Eggs Cloudseeder (VFR) Wave World Star's End - Part II Cloudseeder (VFR) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Two Dutch Bands, Free System Projekt and Wave World. The Featured CD at Midnight will be disc two from "Atmospheric Conditions" by Free System Projekt on the Quantum label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Games" by Synergy, a.k.a. Larry Fast, on the Passport label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 09:49:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01105; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:40:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:40:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:36:17 -0500 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Re: I'm really sorry... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DD50661.EAA6332F@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,zh-TW References: <010b01c28c6d$e939d300$d1fcabd4@tin.it> Resent-Message-ID: <82ZLtB.A.-P.zcQ19@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you want multiple loops playing at the same time, I think your choices are limited to the repeater (4 loops) or a laptop running a software looper such as ambiloop. Amleto wrote: > Ciao Miko! > Thanks for replying! > I wait for your answer, i would just please you and the others to follow the > numbers i wrote about what i would like. This is for me to be able to > understand better. Especially if you will use a simple english and will > explain tecnic terms... And so to just write for each number what the other > loopers you know do or not. Also the boss, because even reading the boss > site i still am not able to understand tecnical caracteristics... > I need to control the sound in real time, and to not stop to act to control > it. Well, to act with the voice i mean. So, if i start with one loop, and > then i add more loops, if after i need just the first loop, or even not the > first, any one of the loops alone, i would like to be able to have it alone. > If i have to reach this be deleting the others one by one it could be ok, > even if not perfect. Could be interesting a "solo" function. If there are > memories for a number of loop could be easy to have such a function, i don't > understand why loopers seem not to have it. This is the more important. To > be able to create a atmospheare with a loop on the other and the to go back > in the order i want or at least from the last to the first. I don't > understand if in hte boss i have to delete all the loops togheter. > After comes the possibility to control time, pitch and volume of any loop. > Anyway, if it is for the global loop it could be good the same. > I absolutely neeed more than two loops. I wouold like as much as i want, but > anyway, as more as possible, the number and the timing, i mean how long they > are. > If there is a number, it would be useful to be able to choose wich loop to > change for the new one. I mean, if there are only ten loops, it would be not > good if the last delete the last, or the last delete the first. I would like > to decide wich one to delete. > Even if i don't understand: there is a difference beetween number of loops > and number of overdubbings? The number of loop means the number of memories > i can control (end, volume, tempo) separately, and each of this memory i can > overdub it as much as i want? Or to overdub mean always to create a new > loop? > Well, i will not bore you anymore. > Thanks! > Sergio > ----- Original Message ----- > From: MIKO > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 4:58 AM > Subject: RE: I'm really sorry... > > Will think about a reply and send to you personally, Mr. To Die For. By > this I do not mean the first HTML reply that I sent. > > I may not know the answer, but I hate leaving desperate souls in states of > complete self-reliance. It's best to offer clues until they make it to the > space of their own insight, at least. > > Sorry to others for posting this advance-of-reply reply. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Amleto [mailto:tosleeptodienomore@supereva.it] > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 7:46 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: I'm really sorry... > > I'm really sorry, excuse me, i sended you my mail in html, i was sure it was > turned off..., i repeat it now: > > Hallo all You, > I'm Sergio, I'm writing from italy, and I'm sorry for my english... > I have a problem and the solution it is urgent! > I have ordered a boss rc20 thinking it was the only looper. And now i know > maybe it is the worse. Or anyway not the one i need. I have really a few > time to stop the order. Well, i could try tomorrow even if you not answer me > and wait for your answer. i'll do it, but i hope you'll answer soon... > I am a young actor, even if my interests in music are strong. > I saw a show by an alternative japanese group who did something in real time > with voice. Very dramatic! I think they where using something like delay too > and echo and reverb, but mostly they used loop. Sound on sound... > I find it very useful. > Well, i will explain what i would like from a looper: > 1)to be able to record a sound which can last long (the global loop should > definitively last longer that 10 seconds or 20. At least 1 or 2 minutes i > think, even if it is difficult to know it now without any practical > experience. I should create a sonic atmosphere on wich to act. So i would > use it for voice, or maybe also keyboard. And i think i will need a long > time). > 2)to be able to record other sounds on the first one, overdub, sound on > sound, i think those are the terms. > 3)to be able to change the time of the global loop, and, if it is possible, > of a single loop. Yes, I would really like to be able to change time to each > loop. I know from your site that most of the looper have a limited time and > limited loops. If there was limited time but unlimited loops could have been > impossible to remember the position of a single loop. But with 10, for > example, i could. And would be useful to be able to change volume and tempo, > and also pitch, of each loop. > 4)to be able to let me choose which loop to stop. In the order i want. If i > have ten loops going on, i would like to stop all for a while and then start > all again, and then to stop the first, then the fourth, then the last, for > example. At least the last, and the new last, and so on, alias, 10, 9, 8, 7, > 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0. even if i should remember the order of any loop... I > would prefer to be able to stop in the order i prefer. It would be > unpleasant just to have to stop all or nothing! I could rerecord some of the > loops again, but i should act while loops are playing, so i cant stop acting > to sing a loop again... > 5)to be able to choose both two of these: that if for example i have two > loops, and the first is shorter, i should both let the first go on > continuosly even is going out of phase, or let the first wait the end of the > second and then to start again togheter... > That's all. For a looper. > If i could have some effects... I would like delay, reverb. Basically. > Wonderfull if distortion, echo, and others... > Edp seems the right one. But it is at least the double of price. I'm buying > a boss rc20 for 375 euro, i think the same in $$. I don't know, i would > remain without money but if you tell me that with the boss i can only record > ten loops and let them go togheter and stop them togheter, mmm. Also i think > to understand that edp has got some effect. Dl4 too, but the time of a loop > is really too short. For me. I just have fear that i can't find here in > sicily the memories to upgrade the time of the edp to those 3 minutes that > should be enough for me. > CAN YOU PLEASE HELP ME??? > So, i am truely (i sincerely would not like to let you loose your time if i > could loose it for you) unable to understand by myself wich one of all the > possibilities does what i want. > ah, all in real time absolutely, live performance... > I sincerely thanks you... > Sergio From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 10:52:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12436; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:49:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:49:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:45:27 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: I'm really sorry... In-reply-to: <3DD50661.EAA6332F@optonline.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <010b01c28c6d$e939d300$d1fcabd4@tin.it> <3DD50661.EAA6332F@optonline.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:36 AM -0500 11/15/02, Greg Waltzer wrote: >If you want multiple loops playing at the same time, I think your choices are >limited to the repeater (4 loops) or a laptop running a software >looper such as ambiloop. The Repeater doesn't really have four loops, per say, but rather on four-track loop. This means they all start and stop together. The laptop solution may be the best overall, since you could have your choice of several programs and could customize the interface and functions. On the Macintosh Max/MSP would probably be the best, though it requires some programming. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 10:58:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13062; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:53:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:53:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021115155208.77832.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:52:08 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <066e01c28c20$c8dffdc0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1191149191-1037375528=:76893" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1191149191-1037375528=:76893 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm not so sure about that. IMO, there's a pretty wide range of reasons people like to attend live music events. Sure, some folks enjoy it more when a performer augments the performance with lighting, dancing, special effects, whatever. Some enjoy watching/participating in the spectacle of the audience itself. Some find the way an artist interacts with an audience to be something they can't get listening to the CD at home. A friend of mine was describing to me a concert he saw a few weeks ago, and mentioned that he found it very entertaining to watch the Berklee students parade past the stage to drool over the guitarist's rack! I remember watching Tal Farlow in concert in the early 80's, and being amazed by the way he voiced his chords. He didn't do any Moonwalking or wear gold spandex and there was no laser show, but I definitely got a lot more out of the event from the visual element than I ever did listening to Farlow's records at home. He just sat there and played. I'm not sure if we can say that just because an audience member enjoys *watching* the performance that it necessarily diminishes his or her *listening* experience. Conversely, I'm probably not alone in remembering how at concerts in the old Boston Gardens, how annoying it was to be seated behind one of those three-foot-wide posts that blocked your view. -t- > jim palmer wrote: >most of the modern audience is more interested in visuals than in music. >i find the general audiences preoccupation with visuals somewhat akin to >people who can't read a book without pictures. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site --0-1191149191-1037375528=:76893 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

I'm not so sure about that. IMO, there's a pretty wide range of reasons people like to attend live music events. Sure, some folks enjoy it more when a performer augments the performance with lighting, dancing, special effects, whatever. Some enjoy watching/participating in the spectacle of the audience itself. Some find the way an artist interacts with an audience to be something they can't get listening to the CD at home.

A friend of mine was describing to me a concert he saw a few weeks ago, and mentioned that he found it very entertaining to watch the Berklee students parade past the stage to drool over the guitarist's rack!

I remember watching Tal Farlow in concert in the early 80's, and being amazed by the way he voiced his chords. He didn't do any Moonwalking or wear gold spandex and there was no laser show, but I definitely got a lot more out of the event from the visual element than I ever did listening to Farlow's records at home. He just sat there and played.

I'm not sure if we can say that just because an audience member enjoys *watching* the performance that it necessarily diminishes his or her *listening* experience. Conversely, I'm probably not alone in remembering how at concerts in the old Boston Gardens, how annoying it was to be seated behind one of those three-foot-wide posts that blocked your view.

-t-

> jim palmer <jimp@pobox.com> wrote:
>most of the modern audience is more interested in visuals than in music.
>i find the general audiences preoccupation with visuals somewhat akin to
>people who can't read a book without pictures.


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Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site --0-1191149191-1037375528=:76893-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 11:00:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13572; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:54:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:54:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:54:36 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform, SACDs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <071a01c28cbf$4c31a7c0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20021114195437.17309.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> <066e01c28c20$c8dffdc0$080210ac@jpalmer> <004d01c28c8c$c46d4240$0201a8c0@eluk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I suspect that doing a blanket-application of the term "poser", much less > "non-musician" is effete at best, and limited by self-definition. > i had to look up "effete" and i still don't understand. i'm guessing you mean the words "poser" and "non-musician" when used are better understood to describe the user? i am usually annoyed when people use these words, even in the case of the rockstar pose. i'm guessing my point wasn't clear (wouldn't be the first time) > Do your own show any way you like Jim, but it's much more gracious to just > say "It's not my style", or "I don't prefer it". > this is exactly my point. people often talk about adding visuals like it is a necessary thing for musicians. they should maybe take your advice instead. > > I can only assume you're attempting parody here. Has the above been done in > the past 10 years, in any event? Sounds like you're in LA. It's so easy to > assume the rest of the world is like LA, when you're in the area for an > extended period of time. What IS "adding theater", anyway? I think it's a > lot more than just striking a pose and hoping people will look at you, to > slightly paraphrase Laurie Anderson... > why is that not theater? you might argue that it is not "good theater" but then we are just back to your earlier point: >"It's not my style", or "I don't prefer it". you seem to be condradicting yourself here: you don't like the term "poser" but you still seem to have distain for the people who are often a target of that term. > ... > When broadband becomes the norm, it won't just be our music that becomes > available on the Internet, but also, should we choose to make them, video > works. I've got one very close to finished right now, actually. Does that > make me a poser? Or somehow less than an Artist? i'm not saying that. i'm saying it has nothing to do with the music. artful music videos are great. but they are not part of the music. take the video away, play the audio, and the music remains. if the music is no good without the video, then it is no good with it either. what is artful? artist? Artist? we'll never be able to clearly define that one... >... i've babbled enough. bbbblblblblbllllbblblblbl... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 11:07:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16275; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:02:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:02:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.178.72] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I'm really sorry... Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:00:56 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2002 16:00:56.0579 (UTC) FILETIME=[2EC0C530:01C28CC0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have been using my JamMan with the latest upgrade chip from Bob Sellon. It allows me to run multiple, discrete loops simultaneously, each with its own level and pan position within a stereo field (the loops are not stereo, but they are placed in stereo thus creating the stereo effect). Each loop can be indiviually muted (non-volatile), faded out, and back in via a Digitech FS300 footswitch. The fades can be stopped or restarted at any point allowing for dynamic loop control (and all of this sans-midi!). Toggling between the different loops is quite easy allowing for a great deal more creativity and flexibility over the original JamMan design. There is also a reverse loop function, as well as replace for each indivdual loop Of course, there is still the 32 second memory limitation, but since I usually work with short loops it has not been a problem. Max >From: Richard Zvonar >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: I'm really sorry... >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:45:27 -0800 > >At 9:36 AM -0500 11/15/02, Greg Waltzer wrote: >>If you want multiple loops playing at the same time, I think your choices >>are >>limited to the repeater (4 loops) or a laptop running a software looper >>such as ambiloop. > >The Repeater doesn't really have four loops, per say, but rather on >four-track loop. This means they all start and stop together. The laptop >solution may be the best overall, since you could have your choice of >several programs and could customize the interface and functions. On the >Macintosh Max/MSP would probably be the best, though it requires some >programming. >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://RZCybernetics.com _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 11:21:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18359; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:15:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:15:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DD51DD7.B2DAFCE5@club-internet.fr> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:16:23 +0100 From: Emmanuel PERILLE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [fr] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I'm really sorry... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <45ZooD.A.AeE.d2R19@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com or djrnd4 maybe one day ... max valentino a écrit : > I have been using my JamMan with the latest upgrade chip from Bob Sellon. > It allows me to run multiple, discrete loops simultaneously, each with its > own level and pan position within a stereo field (the loops are not stereo, > but they are placed in stereo thus creating the stereo effect). Each loop > can be indiviually muted (non-volatile), faded out, and back in via a > Digitech FS300 footswitch. The fades can be stopped or restarted at any > point allowing for dynamic loop control (and all of this sans-midi!). > Toggling between the different loops is quite easy allowing for a great deal > more creativity and flexibility over the original JamMan design. There is > also a reverse loop function, as well as replace for each indivdual loop > Of course, there is still the 32 second memory limitation, but since I > usually work with short loops it has not been a problem. > > Max > > >From: Richard Zvonar > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Re: I'm really sorry... > >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:45:27 -0800 > > > >At 9:36 AM -0500 11/15/02, Greg Waltzer wrote: > >>If you want multiple loops playing at the same time, I think your choices > >>are > >>limited to the repeater (4 loops) or a laptop running a software looper > >>such as ambiloop. > > > >The Repeater doesn't really have four loops, per say, but rather on > >four-track loop. This means they all start and stop together. The laptop > >solution may be the best overall, since you could have your choice of > >several programs and could customize the interface and functions. On the > >Macintosh Max/MSP would probably be the best, though it requires some > >programming. > >-- > > > >______________________________________________________________ > >Richard Zvonar, PhD > >(818) 788-2202 > >http://www.zvonar.com > >http://RZCybernetics.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 11:23:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18762; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:17:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:17:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <05be01c28cc2$92aab400$25e35cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "vintagesynthrepair" , "The Ambient Way" , , "tadream mailing list" , "oldsynth Mailing List" , "Loopers Delight" , "Bill fox mailinglist" , "analog group" , "AIMusic" , "ElectronicMusic" Subject: Fw: [beyond_em] Radio Massacre Int'l live in Philadelphia Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:17:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Important news I felt compelled to cross post. --Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck van Zyl" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 2:54 AM Subject: [beyond_em] Radio Massacre Int'l live in Philadelphia > Following their appearance at The Gatherings Concert Series on > Saturday 16 November 2002 at 8pm in the church sanctuary of > St. Mary's Hamilton Village, 3916 Locust Walk on the Penn > campus in Univesity City Philadelphia, PA, English based > Spacemusic trio Radio Massacre International are scheduled to > play on into the night on the STAR'S END broadcast of 11.17.02. > Please tune in this week for live music by RMI and details on > their visit to Philadelphia. > > STAR'S END is webcast live every week at: http://xpn.org > > - Below excerpted from from: www.progwest.com - > > "Fans of Klaus Schulze, Pink Floyd, Tangerine Dream, Lustmord > and Ash Ra Tempel will find familiar elements within RMI's > music - complex, gradually developing sequencer patterns, > otherworldly atmospherics, analog synthesizers and soaring > guitar work are all integral parts of their sound. As befits a > musical outfit dedicated to improvisation and experimentation, > the "style" of Radio Massacre International is somewhat > amorphous; it develops from album to album, but always along > a logical continuum. The first releases took their cues from the > "Berlin school" of 1970s electronic music - the sequencer and > analog synth-driven soundscapes. Later albums add other > instruments and influences, giving the band's sound more depth > and a more experimental character. Their shows are dominated > by lengthy improvisations, ensuring that each RMI performance > is unique and memorable...." > > For more on Radio Massacre International, access their STAR'S > END Profile: http://www.starsend.org/rmi.html > > For more on the Radio Massacre International concert at The > Gatherings Concert Series, access: > http://www.thegatherings.org > - > STAR'S END broadcasts every Saturday night/Sunday morning > from 1am-6am (EDST) on: > > 88.5fm WXPN Philadelphia, PA > 88.1fm WXPH Harrisburg, PA > 90.5fm Worton/Baltimore, MD > 104.9fm Allentown, PA > and live on the web... > - > Chuck van Zyl > Host of STAR'S END Ambient Radio > http://www.starsend.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 11:48:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21949; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:46:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:46:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:44:10 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: Looping, gifts, and Indian music... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DD5245A.60720AD7@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <3.0.5.32.20021114011751.0082faa0@pop.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Humans are "wired" for language. I imagine we're wired for music too. lol Is there a culture on this planet that doesn't have music? It would surprise me if we didn't share musical structures and ideas with other cultures. LOL Mark Sottilaro Goddess wrote: > Hi All, another live peice which follows Spark, the piece which I've > uploaded to the LD files page, with the pitched Repeater loops, is called > Alpha. I haven't uploaded it to LD files, since it's quite large and I'd > like it to be in stereo. Anyway, I did send it to a dear friend who has > studied extensively, raags and other forms of Indian music. Alpha is a > vocal piece, and he quite liked it. One of his comments really intrigued > me, concerning it's content. He said, you've looped a key characteristic > phrase of raag Bihaag. In fact, > there's a lot of raag going on in this music. This intrigues me because > I've never studied raags. I also don't tend to listen to Indian > music on a regular basis, but do enjoy it quite alot. > This piece was completely improvised live, and is one which I like very > much. > I just thought some might be interested in this. -HOpe yer' all > havinn' a wonderful evening!... Talk with ya soon... > > Smiles, > > CQ > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 11:50:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21299; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:38:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:38:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:31:34 -0600 Subject: digitech rds & pds triggering solutions? | midi to cv converters? From: adam To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0bR0ZB.A.gMF.2LS19@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello loopers posted this a few days ago and didn't any feedback or advice. maybe this pre-midi triggering question is for the old timers on the list... I have an alesis SR-16 midi drum machine which I would like to use to sync up the following. I'm looping guitar feedback and ambient reverb washes through them.... (3) Digitech RDS 8000 delay/samplers (2) Digitech RDS 7.6 delay/samplers (1) Digitech PDS 8000 delay/sampler The alesis sr-16 will not produce a +5 pulse. from what i understand the RDS devices require a +5 volt input to trigger/sync to other pre-midi devices. is there a" midi to a +5 volt pulse" converter that can read midi info from my Alesis SR-16 and output a pusle? Let me know if you know of any product/products that can tackle these duties. I'm love to have 6-8 triggers for expansion and flexibilty. For my live thing I would like some devices triggered at an 16 count, some at 8 counts, and some at 4 count. I'm also curious to know what the rest of you are using to trigger these older RDS/PDS devices with? any suggestions? pitfalls? triumphs? thanks adam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 12:07:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22942; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:57:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:57:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:55:07 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DD526EB.1A522469@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20021114141820.51460.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's not doubt that for me practice is about getting skilled enough to play what I hear in my head. On the other hand, I totally respect someone like Beck, who while skilled, can go to grunge mode in a heartbeat. It largely depends on what you're trying to say. If you're talking about the heart of the sunrise, you probably should brush up on your scales. If you're talking about doing nitros in the cab of your pickup, a bit of sloppyness is in order. On loop practice, I feel that it's nearly as important to be dear to your gear. I took out the Repeater when I first got it and the show didn't feel very good. Now, it's like second nature to me. I don't have to think about it. I can concentrate on playing. Mark Sottilaro Tim Nelson wrote: > > > So when we talk about "practicing", how much of our response is > influenced by that sort of cultural baggage? I think it's difficult to > discuss the subject in a group without some sort of equivocation. Our > definitions are bound to differ; some may see practicing as a way to > develop manual agility and muscle memory so that it'll be simply > easier to play the music they hear in their heads. To some, the notion > may connotate a guy with a pointy headstock hunched over the Guitar > Grimoire ripping scales. > > As loopers, "practice" can involve more, too, as the definitions and > boundaries of our instruments are extended. I did a session a couple > of From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 12:09:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24706; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:02:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:02:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c28cc8$a6949b60$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <3DD51DD7.B2DAFCE5@club-internet.fr> Subject: Re: I'm really sorry... Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:01:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To add my $0.02 (USD)... A single device that fits your needs will be expensive or take some effort. Three candidates come to my mind: 1) computer with custom MAX/MSP program 2) Eventide Orville 3) Symbolic Sound Kyma But practically speaking, if you have an RC-20 on the way, I'd play with it first, then re-evaluate your equipment needs. If you've never looped before, I'd get some experience with a "basic" looper like the RC-20. You will probably be amazed at how much fun the RC-20 will be. And you will have a *much* better idea of how looping works for you. Plus, how you can work looping into your performance. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 12:09:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24838; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:03:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:03:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:03:25 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: digitech rds & pds triggering solutions? | midi to cv converters? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <076101c28cc8$e99f6340$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com haven't used this, but if your handy with such things, it looks pretty simple: http://m.bareille.free.fr/mc628/mc628.html > > I'm also curious to know what the rest of you are using to trigger these > older RDS/PDS devices with? any suggestions? pitfalls? triumphs? > > thanks > > adam > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 13:22:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03994; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:16:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:16:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021115181516.65146.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:15:16 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: SV: Practice, rehearse, perform To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001901c28c83$d3f09900$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Practice makes actions repeatable. If you practice a method or manner that is not 'perfect', you do not create 'perfection'. Instead, you ingrain repeatability in that less than optimal method or manner. This has been noted on the theremin players list, levnet, where someone repeatedly practices an inferior approach to vibrato, or hand positioning. They ingrain the inferior methodologies (these become repeatable), which interferes with learning a more effective method (i.e proper vibrato, or ariel fingering) after they realize they have reached the end of the road (not able to improve performance further) with the imperfect practiced method. Perfect practice makes perfect repetition, which could be called 'skill'. bret --- Per Boysen wrote: > > > Practice makes perfect. Nobody's perfect. So why practice? > > > :) > > > > > that is a well known(by a lotta people) billy corgan,smashing > > pumkins quote. he probably stole it,too... this happens alot > > on the web. there is a quote and its not attributed to > > anyone-so i just point that out. quibble quibble quibble s > > > Yes, but who ever invented that quote, I don't think it's true. IMO > practice doesn't make perfect. Practice brings personality into what > you > are doing. It's stupidity that makes perfect! > > What do you think about that? > > / Per Boysen > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 14:03:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09999; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:56:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:56:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <12f.1b423d0c.2b069d30@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:55:44 EST Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA09935 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Here's some more random thoughts as I've continued to read this thread and appreciate the various points of view that different posters are brining to it. Warning -- random, spontaneous firing of synapses while seated in front of a computer follows . . . Honestly -- practice, rehearse, perform -- I do all three of these things rather sporadically and infrequently these days. There are a lot of reasons for this but they all can be summed in two basic reasons: (1) "Life" mostly, and more sadly; (2) A general lack of self-discipline. Nothing more and nothing less. But it was not always so. There was a long period extending from when I first took up the guitar at age 10 up until about 15 years ago that I played almost daily. It was a matter of learning the instrument and trying to locate my own voice on it in a mix of crazy influences. No other "science" was applied other than just spending a lot of time noodling -- developing finger dexterity to some extent and learning by a trial-and-error process what worked (for me) when different musical ideas/sounds/textures/colors were juxtaposed, and trying to absorb and assimilate as many new and disparate ideas and get them "under my fingers" as possible. You could call this a rather longish period of "research and development" so-to-speak. During all of this time I often didn't even know what I was working towards. But I knew I was WORKING TOWARDS SOMETHING. Beginning 15 years ago it began to dawn on me (a little) what I was WORKING TOWARDS. It was still dim and hazy, but it was gradually becoming more apparent. About that time I began doing the 100% improvised thing a lot more deliberately. Looping helped because I was working alone for the most part. I began to do gigs more than once a year. I also began to realize I wanted to play with other musicians -- feeling that my playing solo to my own loops was largely masturbatory (if not done in front of an audience or in conjunction with other performers). So I began to try to deliberately pick out some sort of musical vocabulary from the audible culture washing around me. One of my favorite practices was to wait till the wife and kids were in bed and play unplugged to whatever music or pictures were on the television. A lot of folks do this but it helped me a lot: (1) In preparing me to play with other people; (2) In being able to respond to the moment; (3) In learning some of the common musical "vernacular" (4) In learning to fit in -- or subvert -- in a variety of situations; (5) And in learning when "less is more" and when MORE is more. I practiced like this nearly every night that I possibly could. I got better quickly and began to play and circulate in a broader current of other musicians. For a while I felt as if I'd found my "tribe" as it were -- and my style, my voice and my stride as it were happened quite quickly. Life was good. 5 and 1/2 years ago I moved to the boondocks of Southern Oregon for family and financial reasons and lost all that. There is largely no place to play and no one to play with were I now reside (at least not in terms of the music I want to do). I realize now that I sort of lost the sense of what I was WORKING TOWARDS in the move -- and now it is a great struggle to motivate myself to practice or rehearse. It's because there is no longer any performance connected to it. I'll even spend as much as 6 months away from my instrument at times (not touching it at all for 2 whole seasons) and upon hearing that an old member of my "tribe" is passing through town I'll spend as much as a month "boning up" to be good enough to jam or play with them. Its pathetic. I'm ashamed of myself. There was one noticeable exception. A couple of years ago I was (for all intents and purposes) unemployed for about 6+ months. But, in trade for some graphic work I'd done for them I was given an "IOU" for couple of half-day sessions in a commercial post-production and audio recording studio whenever I wanted. For the rest of those 6 months I practiced as one possessed. Again I had something to WORK TOWARDS. When I got to my 2 consecutive afternoons in the studio I hit the ground running. I ripped one track after another of totally spontaneous material in a fashion that had both the engineer and I both going "Wow! Where'd THAT come from?" I left the place feeling as if I were 10 feet tall and my feet were floating 6 inches off the ground. Life was good again. It remains so too as long as I continue to remind myself that I have an aim and a direction. Often I forget . . . but that's another story. Why am I writing all of this? Well . . . I suppose it is to say that for the "practice, rehearse, perform" thread -- it helps to have a GOAL and know what you're WORKING TOWARDS. Gee, that was simple wasn't it. Even though I still do not practice as much as I probably should (though I DO TRY to practice as much as I CAN) I've discovered something important about myself and the process of making music (for me). To practice effectively (I guess for "rehearsal" it's a "given") it's important to have a GOAL and have it firmly fixed in your mind. Have something you're WORKING TOWARDS and it will be more meaningful (in my experience) and have more motivation. Nothing makes me practice harder than knowing I have to be in front of an audience on a given date (like a student working up to a recital). I wish I had a better "internal" motivation -- I suppose it's a character flaw -- but most of the distractions I have at age 49 (owning my own business, parenting 3 growing sons, living in a considerate, sharing, affectionate fashion with my mate, and trying to be a decent "neighbor" and human being) are mostly unavoidable ones -- I could and probably should sit and watch less TV though . . . hehehe. Anywho, I may never be so practiced that my music becomes "effortless," nor be able to add any fancy dance steps to my routine, nor add any other aspect of performance "theatricality" to my presentation. It just isn't "in me" I don't think. But I HAVE stopped drooling on my instrument -- I guess that's an improvement some might appreciate . . . :-) Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake PS: What I was WORKING TOWARDS back in the early and middle periods of development was becoming an active participant in music (as opposed to a merely passive one) . . . becoming a musician. I suppose, to some extent, I have achieved THAT goal. Now my goal is becoming a better one . . . an "artist" if you will. I know I'm not there yet . . . and maybe I never will be. But that's my goal now. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 14:09:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12569; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:04:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:04:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: SV: Practice, rehearse, perform Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:03:07 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20021115181516.65146.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <2IrTSD.A.JDD.VUU19@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I need to unsubscribe now. A lot of you are sickos. Caligula style. How do I unsubscribe? -----Original Message----- From: Bret [mailto:echoplex@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 10:15 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SV: Practice, rehearse, perform Practice makes actions repeatable. If you practice a method or manner that is not 'perfect', you do not create 'perfection'. Instead, you ingrain repeatability in that less than optimal method or manner. This has been noted on the theremin players list, levnet, where someone repeatedly practices an inferior approach to vibrato, or hand positioning. They ingrain the inferior methodologies (these become repeatable), which interferes with learning a more effective method (i.e proper vibrato, or ariel fingering) after they realize they have reached the end of the road (not able to improve performance further) with the imperfect practiced method. Perfect practice makes perfect repetition, which could be called 'skill'. bret --- Per Boysen wrote: > > > Practice makes perfect. Nobody's perfect. So why practice? > > > :) > > > > > that is a well known(by a lotta people) billy corgan,smashing > > pumkins quote. he probably stole it,too... this happens alot > > on the web. there is a quote and its not attributed to > > anyone-so i just point that out. quibble quibble quibble s > > > Yes, but who ever invented that quote, I don't think it's true. IMO > practice doesn't make perfect. Practice brings personality into what > you > are doing. It's stupidity that makes perfect! > > What do you think about that? > > / Per Boysen > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 14:31:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15423; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:20:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:20:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021115191910.79825.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:19:10 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: SV: Practice, rehearse, perform To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- MIKO wrote: > I need to unsubscribe now. A lot of you are sickos. > Caligula style. How > do I unsubscribe? Here's the info from , which is the same page from which you got your "subscribe" info, remember?: ********************************************* To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubscribe request to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list, or people will make fun of you and you will feel like a dork. ***************************************** 'Bye now..... __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 14:34:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16706; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:28:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:28:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DD54BE2.BEF4B88B@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:32:50 -0600 From: Kirby Shelstad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SV: Practice, rehearse, perform References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you mean Kali Yuga style? k MIKO wrote: > I need to unsubscribe now. A lot of you are sickos. Caligula style. How > do I unsubscribe? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bret [mailto:echoplex@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 10:15 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: SV: Practice, rehearse, perform > > Practice makes actions repeatable. If you practice a method or manner > that is not 'perfect', you do not create 'perfection'. Instead, you > ingrain repeatability in that less than optimal method or manner. This > has been noted on the theremin players list, levnet, where someone > repeatedly practices an inferior approach to vibrato, or hand > positioning. They ingrain the inferior methodologies (these become > repeatable), which interferes with learning a more effective method > (i.e proper vibrato, or ariel fingering) after they realize they have > reached the end of the road (not able to improve performance further) > with the imperfect practiced method. > Perfect practice makes perfect repetition, which could be called > 'skill'. > bret > --- Per Boysen wrote: > > > > Practice makes perfect. Nobody's perfect. So why practice? > > > > :) > > > > > > > that is a well known(by a lotta people) billy corgan,smashing > > > pumkins quote. he probably stole it,too... this happens alot > > > on the web. there is a quote and its not attributed to > > > anyone-so i just point that out. quibble quibble quibble s > > > > > > Yes, but who ever invented that quote, I don't think it's true. IMO > > practice doesn't make perfect. Practice brings personality into what > > you > > are doing. It's stupidity that makes perfect! > > > > What do you think about that? > > > > / Per Boysen > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 14:59:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20433; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:53:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:53:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:53:02 +0100 Subject: Re: I'm really sorry... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002901c28cc8$a6949b60$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, November 15, 2002, at 06:01 PM, Dennis Leas wrote: > If you've never looped before, I'd get some experience with a "basic" > looper > like the RC-20. You will probably be amazed at how much fun the RC-20 > will > be. And you will have a *much* better idea of how looping works for > you. > Plus, how you can work looping into your performance. I'd agree with those sentiments. If you have never looped before, too much equipment and technology might get in the way at first. Most of the regular loopers here know of my love of the DL4 (another simple looping device). Most of the music that I produce is done with a single DL4 unit... and I have a theory that the simpler the equipment, the greater the musical possibilities - especially when playing live. Good luck! (and welcome to the list Sergio!) :) -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 15:00:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20706; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:55:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:55:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:54:11 +0100 Subject: Re: SV: Practice, rehearse, perform Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <02B217A1-F8D4-11D6-A702-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, November 15, 2002, at 08:03 PM, MIKO wrote: > I need to unsubscribe now. A lot of you are sickos. Caligula style. > How > do I unsubscribe? Nooooooooooo!!!!! (I take it that you are being sarcastic Miko :) -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 15:05:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22940; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:59:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:59:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: SV: Practice, rehearse, perform Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:58:50 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3DD54BE2.BEF4B88B@mindspring.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, I mean on-stage dismemberment -----Original Message----- From: Kirby Shelstad [mailto:kirbyshelstad@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 11:33 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SV: Practice, rehearse, perform you mean Kali Yuga style? k MIKO wrote: > I need to unsubscribe now. A lot of you are sickos. Caligula style. How > do I unsubscribe? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bret [mailto:echoplex@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 10:15 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: SV: Practice, rehearse, perform > > Practice makes actions repeatable. If you practice a method or manner > that is not 'perfect', you do not create 'perfection'. Instead, you > ingrain repeatability in that less than optimal method or manner. This > has been noted on the theremin players list, levnet, where someone > repeatedly practices an inferior approach to vibrato, or hand > positioning. They ingrain the inferior methodologies (these become > repeatable), which interferes with learning a more effective method > (i.e proper vibrato, or ariel fingering) after they realize they have > reached the end of the road (not able to improve performance further) > with the imperfect practiced method. > Perfect practice makes perfect repetition, which could be called > 'skill'. > bret > --- Per Boysen wrote: > > > > Practice makes perfect. Nobody's perfect. So why practice? > > > > :) > > > > > > > that is a well known(by a lotta people) billy corgan,smashing > > > pumkins quote. he probably stole it,too... this happens alot > > > on the web. there is a quote and its not attributed to > > > anyone-so i just point that out. quibble quibble quibble s > > > > > > Yes, but who ever invented that quote, I don't think it's true. IMO > > practice doesn't make perfect. Practice brings personality into what > > you > > are doing. It's stupidity that makes perfect! > > > > What do you think about that? > > > > / Per Boysen > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 16:55:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04952; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:53:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:53:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.142.57.48] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: Lexicon Processors Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:52:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2002 21:52:16.0286 (UTC) FILETIME=[433CCBE0:01C28CF1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I’m selling the following units: Lexicon Vortex (manual, PS & foot switch included) $195 Lexicon LXP-1 (manual, PS & rack shelf included) $125 Or $300 for both… Both units have been serviced with new pots, resoldered jacks, etc. Prices include shipping within the USA too… Please contact me directly at: tarbit@hotmail.com Regards Lou Rossi Ps. Thanks to all the folks that listened to my Chapman Stick "texture" demo. I appreciate the support & the kind words. Grazie!! _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 17:22:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10258; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:20:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:20:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DD564F2.D81FAB23@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:19:47 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I'm really sorry... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree too. Unless you've got a need to synch your loops to MIDI, get something simple to start out with. I started out with a little Digitech 8 sec stompbox. You could probably pick one up used for cheap. If not, the DL4 or RC-20 sound like great little units. Mark "Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project)" wrote: > On Friday, November 15, 2002, at 06:01 PM, Dennis Leas wrote: > > > If you've never looped before, I'd get some experience with a "basic" > > looper > > like the RC-20. You will probably be amazed at how much fun the RC-20 > > will > > be. And you will have a *much* better idea of how looping works for > > you. > > Plus, how you can work looping into your performance. > > I'd agree with those sentiments. If you have never looped before, too > much equipment and technology might get in the way at first. Most of > the regular loopers here know of my love of the DL4 (another simple > looping device). Most of the music that I produce is done with a single > DL4 unit... and I have a theory that the simpler the equipment, the > greater the musical possibilities - especially when playing live. > > Good luck! (and welcome to the list Sergio!) :) > -- > Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 17:23:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09581; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:17:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:17:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DD5645F.6EC300D9@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:17:20 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: How to unsubscribe for MIKO References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4T1IRD.A.gTC.zJX19@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes MIKO, we are a bunch of sickos. Horrible things we do. It is probably too late to be corrupted by us, but maybe if you unsubscribe quickly enough, your soul may remain intact. Here's how to do it: To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubscribe request to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com Please make haste. It could be your only chance. Off to screw some of my slaves, Markigula MIKO wrote: > I need to unsubscribe now. A lot of you are sickos. Caligula style. How > do I unsubscribe? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bret [mailto:echoplex@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 10:15 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: SV: Practice, rehearse, perform > > Practice makes actions repeatable. If you practice a method or manner > that is not 'perfect', you do not create 'perfection'. Instead, you > ingrain repeatability in that less than optimal method or manner. This > has been noted on the theremin players list, levnet, where someone > repeatedly practices an inferior approach to vibrato, or hand > positioning. They ingrain the inferior methodologies (these become > repeatable), which interferes with learning a more effective method > (i.e proper vibrato, or ariel fingering) after they realize they have > reached the end of the road (not able to improve performance further) > with the imperfect practiced method. > Perfect practice makes perfect repetition, which could be called > 'skill'. > bret > --- Per Boysen wrote: > > > > Practice makes perfect. Nobody's perfect. So why practice? > > > > :) > > > > > > > that is a well known(by a lotta people) billy corgan,smashing > > > pumkins quote. he probably stole it,too... this happens alot > > > on the web. there is a quote and its not attributed to > > > anyone-so i just point that out. quibble quibble quibble s > > > > > > Yes, but who ever invented that quote, I don't think it's true. IMO > > practice doesn't make perfect. Practice brings personality into what > > you > > are doing. It's stupidity that makes perfect! > > > > What do you think about that? > > > > / Per Boysen > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 17:25:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10007; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:19:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:19:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021115221846.38312.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:18:46 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <06a601c28c3a$c77153c0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- jim palmer wrote: > > > so why don't you just buy the video? > > I like improvisation, and I like something real. > > me too. note: nothing visual required for either... No, of course not. I've always enjoyed live recordings for that same reason. It's more visceral to be there, since you get the full experience (the visual, in whatever form it may take, the sheer volume if you're at a rock show, the vibe from the rest of the audience, the shared energy of the thing). > > Um... You lost me. Are you insulting me ... > i wasn't trying to insult you, i was just joking. Sorry, my low self-esteem speaking there. I have enough trouble considering myself a musician most of the time. To hear someone suggest I might not be felt uncomfortable. Later I realized you couldn't be TOO serious since you haven't ever heard me play (at which point you might have some authority in saying that I am NOT a musician...). > > What I was talking about, in terms of LOOPING performances, is simply that if > you > > can do an action in a way that makes it clear to people that you're doing > > something (as opposed to stealthily pressing record and play with your foot > while > > their attention is on your guitar), then it helps prevent them from getting > the > > idea that you're playing over a CD or a sequencer. I wasn't talking about > > grandstanding, just being intentional about doing what you do in a visual > sort of > > way. No fans on my long hair or spandex required. > > i don't find that to be two different things. > one mans grandstanding is anothers "being intentional about what you are > doing in a visual sort of way" > i find nothing wrong with either. Perhaps not, but the degree of extremeness was what I was referring to. I'm talking about the difference between an audience seeing my hand reach across to press a reverse button as opposed to pressing it with my foot on a midi controller. In both cases, they hear something change (and may or may not recognize what the change was), but in one case, they don't know what caused the change. When people hear changes and don't see something that obviously caused it, that's when they start drawing their own conclusions (eg "he must be playing to backing tracks). I have no problem with people playing ot backing tracks (unless the show is billed otherwise, milli vanilli, etc), but from what I've seen, many music fans consider that to raise the "cheese factor" of an act. > nor is there anything wrong with forgoing the visual thing altogether. I suppose not, but there are extremes to it. If someone sits behind a curtain, completely removed from the audience, what makes that a worthwhile live performance? How is it any different then setting up a sound system behind the curtain, cueing the CD that was recorded somewhere else and leaving? From the audience's perspective, the two are very close to the same. > i love hearing michael brecker play and could care less if he moves or > shows what he is doing to the keys or mouthpiece or air. > in fact he tends to stay stock still while outrageous fire comes out > musically... I'm not familiar with him, but I saw Derek Trucks awhile back. he plays blues-based slide electric guitar and stands like a statue on the stage. His head is generally down, the only thing you see moving is his left hand. Yet he plays with exceptional fire. I found it disconcerting, the dicotamy between what I was seeing and what I was hearing. At one point I had to close my eyes to actually take in the fire of his music. Listening back to a recording of the concert, I found it much easier to be wowed with the performance. It just seemed strange that there was so much difference. > poe wrote a bit (i can't remember which story) where he describes a > hideous insect landing on his desk. he is initially repulsed by it. then he > realizes it is actually a leaf and not a bug. then he finds it to be > beautiful. Sure, perspective is everything. Wasn't it rumored that Poe was also given to opium and alcohol? > i noticed this sort of shift happen to a friend of mine with a soundscape cd > i was playing (a fripp cd, not mine) i noticed he seemed bored with it and > explained that it was just one guy with a guitar doing it live. > then he liked it. It's much easier to be impressed with the skill required to do something live by yourself then what it takes to construct something in a studio where potentially hundreds of takes can be cobbled together to construct something that sounds like a real performance. > so if you see a performer thinking they are playing live > and like it, then you find out they are using a cd, > suddenly it is bad? what about the other way around? > if this makes a difference at all, i say it is theater and not music that is > different. > actually, in this case i like to call it gymnastics. Well...I think they all fall under the banner of "performance" or "entertainment". Of course, what's entertaining to you, or to me, may differ. And it may differ from what's entertaining to your average Joe. > > Frankly, I think we must be talking about different forms of "visuals". Even > > going to the symphony, which is pretty "straight" musically, there's plenty > to > > watch. Violins are bowed, kettle drums are hit, clarinets are blown. A > symphony > > without the visual is no different then a recording with really good > fidelity. > i'm surprised you want to see a symphony. they are almost always playing the > ink. I can appreciate that too. > and you must have some hellacious sound system and acoustic room > at home if it sounds like a live symphony... That's part of the problem, I don't. I do have a recording studio, but even good studio monitors won't reproduce all the nuances of a symphony. Besides, I like the entire experience, visuals included. I probably wouldn't want to go if I couldn't watch them play. > if i went to the symphony, and they had installed a magical, sonically > transparent light barrier > between the audience and the orchestra, it would not bother me in the least. That would bother me. My wife and I went to see a musical awhile back which utilized a live orchestra. I was disappointed that they put a canopy over the pit and I couldn't see most of the musicians. > did anyone actually read all of this? I did. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 17:32:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11248; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:24:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:24:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: How to unsubscribe for MIKO Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:23:34 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3DD5645F.6EC300D9@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You are your Delay Lama humor... -----Original Message----- From: sine@zerocrossing.net [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 1:17 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: How to unsubscribe for MIKO Yes MIKO, we are a bunch of sickos. Horrible things we do. It is probably too late to be corrupted by us, but maybe if you unsubscribe quickly enough, your soul may remain intact. Here's how to do it: To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubscribe request to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com Please make haste. It could be your only chance. Off to screw some of my slaves, Markigula MIKO wrote: > I need to unsubscribe now. A lot of you are sickos. Caligula style. How > do I unsubscribe? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bret [mailto:echoplex@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 10:15 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: SV: Practice, rehearse, perform > > Practice makes actions repeatable. If you practice a method or manner > that is not 'perfect', you do not create 'perfection'. Instead, you > ingrain repeatability in that less than optimal method or manner. This > has been noted on the theremin players list, levnet, where someone > repeatedly practices an inferior approach to vibrato, or hand > positioning. They ingrain the inferior methodologies (these become > repeatable), which interferes with learning a more effective method > (i.e proper vibrato, or ariel fingering) after they realize they have > reached the end of the road (not able to improve performance further) > with the imperfect practiced method. > Perfect practice makes perfect repetition, which could be called > 'skill'. > bret > --- Per Boysen wrote: > > > > Practice makes perfect. Nobody's perfect. So why practice? > > > > :) > > > > > > > that is a well known(by a lotta people) billy corgan,smashing > > > pumkins quote. he probably stole it,too... this happens alot > > > on the web. there is a quote and its not attributed to > > > anyone-so i just point that out. quibble quibble quibble s > > > > > > Yes, but who ever invented that quote, I don't think it's true. IMO > > practice doesn't make perfect. Practice brings personality into what > > you > > are doing. It's stupidity that makes perfect! > > > > What do you think about that? > > > > / Per Boysen > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 17:43:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13626; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:40:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:40:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021115224004.75679.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:40:04 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform, SACDs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <071a01c28cbf$4c31a7c0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- jim palmer wrote: > this is exactly my point. people often talk about adding visuals like it > is a necessary thing for musicians. they should maybe take your advice instead. In my case, I wasn't saying it was _necessary_ to add visuals. As you pointed out, the music is still the same. My point was that adding some visual clues to what you're doing _when looping_ might help the audience understand what's going on. (Avoiding their presumption that you're playing to backing tracks...) Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 17:52:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14408; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:44:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:44:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: How to unsubscribe for MIKO Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:22:59 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3DD5645F.6EC300D9@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes Mark, you are the kingpin of the cruelty. Glad you KNEW it. -----Original Message----- From: sine@zerocrossing.net [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 1:17 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: How to unsubscribe for MIKO Yes MIKO, we are a bunch of sickos. Horrible things we do. It is probably too late to be corrupted by us, but maybe if you unsubscribe quickly enough, your soul may remain intact. Here's how to do it: To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubscribe request to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com Please make haste. It could be your only chance. Off to screw some of my slaves, Markigula MIKO wrote: > I need to unsubscribe now. A lot of you are sickos. Caligula style. How > do I unsubscribe? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bret [mailto:echoplex@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 10:15 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: SV: Practice, rehearse, perform > > Practice makes actions repeatable. If you practice a method or manner > that is not 'perfect', you do not create 'perfection'. Instead, you > ingrain repeatability in that less than optimal method or manner. This > has been noted on the theremin players list, levnet, where someone > repeatedly practices an inferior approach to vibrato, or hand > positioning. They ingrain the inferior methodologies (these become > repeatable), which interferes with learning a more effective method > (i.e proper vibrato, or ariel fingering) after they realize they have > reached the end of the road (not able to improve performance further) > with the imperfect practiced method. > Perfect practice makes perfect repetition, which could be called > 'skill'. > bret > --- Per Boysen wrote: > > > > Practice makes perfect. Nobody's perfect. So why practice? > > > > :) > > > > > > > that is a well known(by a lotta people) billy corgan,smashing > > > pumkins quote. he probably stole it,too... this happens alot > > > on the web. there is a quote and its not attributed to > > > anyone-so i just point that out. quibble quibble quibble s > > > > > > Yes, but who ever invented that quote, I don't think it's true. IMO > > practice doesn't make perfect. Practice brings personality into what > > you > > are doing. It's stupidity that makes perfect! > > > > What do you think about that? > > > > / Per Boysen > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 19:21:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28657; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:19:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:19:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c28d05$d2717900$6bf0abd4@tin.it> From: "Amleto" To: References: <010b01c28c6d$e939d300$d1fcabd4@tin.it> <3DD50661.EAA6332F@optonline.net> Subject: Re: I'm really sorry... Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 01:19:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mmm, I have not my dictionary here, but i can suppose laptop is a portable pc. Yes, truely, I think if i will go on this way i will buy a portable mac. I saw a show from a japanese. With very few absurd instuments, a mic, and a portable pc he did incredible things in real time... But now the problem is money. I'm poor boys. Youg, without work, not sure about what to do of myself (neither if to do something or not), and definitively poor. I wanted something to start looping and create a new language, new for me, of course, i don't know them but i am sure a lot of people do theatre or quite theatre performance with looping voice and noises on wich to act... But I need to try by myself... Anyway, lasta night, hey, i was up all the night to search in your site (i slept in the morning) and i remember something about repeater. It was not unavailable anymore? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Waltzer" To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 3:36 PM Subject: Re: I'm really sorry... > If you want multiple loops playing at the same time, I think your choices are > limited to the repeater (4 loops) or a laptop running a software looper such as > ambiloop. > > Amleto wrote: > > > Ciao Miko! > > Thanks for replying! > > I wait for your answer, i would just please you and the others to follow the > > numbers i wrote about what i would like. This is for me to be able to > > understand better. Especially if you will use a simple english and will > > explain tecnic terms... And so to just write for each number what the other > > loopers you know do or not. Also the boss, because even reading the boss > > site i still am not able to understand tecnical caracteristics... > > I need to control the sound in real time, and to not stop to act to control > > it. Well, to act with the voice i mean. So, if i start with one loop, and > > then i add more loops, if after i need just the first loop, or even not the > > first, any one of the loops alone, i would like to be able to have it alone. > > If i have to reach this be deleting the others one by one it could be ok, > > even if not perfect. Could be interesting a "solo" function. If there are > > memories for a number of loop could be easy to have such a function, i don't > > understand why loopers seem not to have it. This is the more important. To > > be able to create a atmospheare with a loop on the other and the to go back > > in the order i want or at least from the last to the first. I don't > > understand if in hte boss i have to delete all the loops togheter. > > After comes the possibility to control time, pitch and volume of any loop. > > Anyway, if it is for the global loop it could be good the same. > > I absolutely neeed more than two loops. I wouold like as much as i want, but > > anyway, as more as possible, the number and the timing, i mean how long they > > are. > > If there is a number, it would be useful to be able to choose wich loop to > > change for the new one. I mean, if there are only ten loops, it would be not > > good if the last delete the last, or the last delete the first. I would like > > to decide wich one to delete. > > Even if i don't understand: there is a difference beetween number of loops > > and number of overdubbings? The number of loop means the number of memories > > i can control (end, volume, tempo) separately, and each of this memory i can > > overdub it as much as i want? Or to overdub mean always to create a new > > loop? > > Well, i will not bore you anymore. > > Thanks! > > Sergio > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: MIKO > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 4:58 AM > > Subject: RE: I'm really sorry... > > > > Will think about a reply and send to you personally, Mr. To Die For. By > > this I do not mean the first HTML reply that I sent. > > > > I may not know the answer, but I hate leaving desperate souls in states of > > complete self-reliance. It's best to offer clues until they make it to the > > space of their own insight, at least. > > > > Sorry to others for posting this advance-of-reply reply. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Amleto [mailto:tosleeptodienomore@supereva.it] > > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 7:46 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: I'm really sorry... > > > > I'm really sorry, excuse me, i sended you my mail in html, i was sure it was > > turned off..., i repeat it now: > > > > Hallo all You, > > I'm Sergio, I'm writing from italy, and I'm sorry for my english... > > I have a problem and the solution it is urgent! > > I have ordered a boss rc20 thinking it was the only looper. And now i know > > maybe it is the worse. Or anyway not the one i need. I have really a few > > time to stop the order. Well, i could try tomorrow even if you not answer me > > and wait for your answer. i'll do it, but i hope you'll answer soon... > > I am a young actor, even if my interests in music are strong. > > I saw a show by an alternative japanese group who did something in real time > > with voice. Very dramatic! I think they where using something like delay too > > and echo and reverb, but mostly they used loop. Sound on sound... > > I find it very useful. > > Well, i will explain what i would like from a looper: > > 1)to be able to record a sound which can last long (the global loop should > > definitively last longer that 10 seconds or 20. At least 1 or 2 minutes i > > think, even if it is difficult to know it now without any practical > > experience. I should create a sonic atmosphere on wich to act. So i would > > use it for voice, or maybe also keyboard. And i think i will need a long > > time). > > 2)to be able to record other sounds on the first one, overdub, sound on > > sound, i think those are the terms. > > 3)to be able to change the time of the global loop, and, if it is possible, > > of a single loop. Yes, I would really like to be able to change time to each > > loop. I know from your site that most of the looper have a limited time and > > limited loops. If there was limited time but unlimited loops could have been > > impossible to remember the position of a single loop. But with 10, for > > example, i could. And would be useful to be able to change volume and tempo, > > and also pitch, of each loop. > > 4)to be able to let me choose which loop to stop. In the order i want. If i > > have ten loops going on, i would like to stop all for a while and then start > > all again, and then to stop the first, then the fourth, then the last, for > > example. At least the last, and the new last, and so on, alias, 10, 9, 8, 7, > > 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0. even if i should remember the order of any loop... I > > would prefer to be able to stop in the order i prefer. It would be > > unpleasant just to have to stop all or nothing! I could rerecord some of the > > loops again, but i should act while loops are playing, so i cant stop acting > > to sing a loop again... > > 5)to be able to choose both two of these: that if for example i have two > > loops, and the first is shorter, i should both let the first go on > > continuosly even is going out of phase, or let the first wait the end of the > > second and then to start again togheter... > > That's all. For a looper. > > If i could have some effects... I would like delay, reverb. Basically. > > Wonderfull if distortion, echo, and others... > > Edp seems the right one. But it is at least the double of price. I'm buying > > a boss rc20 for 375 euro, i think the same in $$. I don't know, i would > > remain without money but if you tell me that with the boss i can only record > > ten loops and let them go togheter and stop them togheter, mmm. Also i think > > to understand that edp has got some effect. Dl4 too, but the time of a loop > > is really too short. For me. I just have fear that i can't find here in > > sicily the memories to upgrade the time of the edp to those 3 minutes that > > should be enough for me. > > CAN YOU PLEASE HELP ME??? > > So, i am truely (i sincerely would not like to let you loose your time if i > > could loose it for you) unable to understand by myself wich one of all the > > possibilities does what i want. > > ah, all in real time absolutely, live performance... > > I sincerely thanks you... > > Sergio > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 19:58:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01412; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:55:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:55:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:55:10 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <085501c28d0a$d044bbb0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20021115221846.38312.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >... > (at which point you might have some authority in saying that I > am NOT a musician...). > even then, it will just be like/don't like... >... > ... > I have no problem with people playing ot backing tracks (unless the show is > billed otherwise, milli vanilli, etc), but from what I've seen, many music fans > consider that to raise the "cheese factor" of an act. > perhaps they are theater fans. if they can't hear whether it's "canned" then it doesn't matter... >... > If someone sits behind a curtain, > completely removed from the audience, what makes that a worthwhile live > performance? pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, i am the mighty oz! > How is it any different then setting up a sound system behind the > curtain, cueing the CD that was recorded somewhere else and leaving? From the > audience's perspective, the two are very close to the same. if it sounds the same, it is the same (musical equivalent of "a difference that makes no difference is no difference) but it almost never sounds the same, else i would rarely attend... >... > ... > Sure, perspective is everything. Wasn't it rumored that Poe was also given to > opium and alcohol? > another plus... > > It's much easier to be impressed with the skill required to do something live by > yourself then what it takes to construct something in a studio where potentially > hundreds of takes can be cobbled together to construct something that sounds like > a real performance. why do you need to be impressed? also, you can be impressed by a great music performance just from the sound, without the crafty button pushing/fret tapping/mouthpiece squeezing, etc. (not that there's anything wrong with that) > > > so if you see a performer thinking they are playing live > > and like it, then you find out they are using a cd, > > suddenly it is bad? what about the other way around? > > if this makes a difference at all, i say it is theater and not music that is > > different. > > actually, in this case i like to call it gymnastics. > > Well...I think they all fall under the banner of "performance" or > "entertainment". Of course, what's entertaining to you, or to me, may differ. And > it may differ from what's entertaining to your average Joe. i don't like calling music "performance" or "entertainment" those are something else. obviously you can have both without any music at all... >... > > > if i went to the symphony, and they had installed a magical, sonically > > transparent light barrier > > between the audience and the orchestra, it would not bother me in the least. > > That would bother me. My wife and I went to see a musical awhile back which > utilized a live orchestra. I was disappointed that they put a canopy over the pit > and I couldn't see most of the musicians. > ay, there's the rub. you aren't supposed to be watching the musicians, they are there only for support. i played a production of "godspell" while i was in college (one of my few paying gigs at the university) in that production, the band was on stage (though we all were wearing black) it was interesting to be part of the theater. it was also the only stage gig i played where a director kept asking for "more guitar" (rather than less) when's the last time any guitar player heard "can you make it louder?" i had it cranked and could barely control the feedback. i was using a lab series L5 100w with the orange boss fuzz box - so loud. wooohoooo! luckily he wasn't saying "i just can't get enough cowbell"... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 20:09:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03890; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:08:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:08:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006101c28d0c$cf84b520$6bf0abd4@tin.it> From: "Amleto" To: References: <010b01c28c6d$e939d300$d1fcabd4@tin.it> <3DD50661.EAA6332F@optonline.net> Subject: Re: I'm really sorry... Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 02:09:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok, i understand i have to clear to who is a message. The last was for greg. This is for Richard and Stuart and Dennis and Sine@ I have no so many maney.... And consider that i have an unused pc (i use it only for internet!) that i buyed to do music. I can't understand well programs. Also because i have all cracked programs without manuals... Anyway something make me crazy in pc. I prefer real time fisical effect at least now. Thanks anyway! So, maybe the rc 20 is as the repeater, but 10 loops means not that all ten play togheter, but that you can have ten position for presaved loops and on each one you can overdub, but that if you pass from one to the other you play only the one on wich you are now? I mean: if you have just time without positions you can't control sounds (layers? phrase? loops, overdubs?) each from the other separately. Maybe with and undo you could undo the last one and stop. If i read that rc2o has got 10 loops, and I NEVER LOOPED before, nor i am a musician nor i have any idea on anything of this world you are so in, i just imagine that the ten positions are like ten bottles: you can fill or empty them separately. Alias, i could overdub as much as i want (till 5,5min) on each loop, they ten play all togheter, but i can control the time and volume and reverse of the selected one. Also, i can delete the selected one while the other nime still play. IS IT SO???????? Because i am putting togheter pieces of puzzle and i'm thinking to understand that it is not so, that the ten memories are like ten radiostation, and if i select one i listen only that one. And also, that is the worse thing, that in this one i can yes overdub as much as i wnt, but if i press the two pedals i can only erese all the loop, all the overdubs in that memory.. But it is so absurd that it would be really crazy from boss, especially because they say it is good for live performances. It would be absourd. But maybe i only am not into the material world and i think 375 euro or $ are a lot only because i am poor, while for an instrument they are too few... I relly have no idea. Anyway i decided to take the rc20. Well, it is a money matter. Respect to the dl4 i need much more time. But i would have liked it. And, especially, i oredered personally from a little shop. I can't stop the order, nor leave that person with a rc20 without money. The next time i will at first search on internet for mailing lists about what i need.. I sincerely thanks you all. The boomerang is still too expansive for me. DENNIS!!!!!!!!!! You have to be very reach!!! I searched orville in internet, it costs, from 6000 to 4000 $ more or less!!!! I will not search kyma, i imagine is the same! Anyway thank You for the suggestion, I think you centred the point. One of the points. I need to stard gfrom simple and cheep things because i change mood and idea quickly. Also I think that if my looper will be simple and by force limited, i will be stimulated to supply with my imagination and art, and also i would understadn what i really need and be able to choose well my next effect. Thanks to Stuart too and to Sine@... Don't dubt i will of course let you know all what i will found with rc20. Fuck, but i will need an amplifier... Mmm, maybe at the beginning i will connect it to my hi-fi... So, guys, can anybody suggest me a multieffect , cheep!, that does delays, reverbs, chorus, echo, distortion, and other effect that can give dramatic effects to voice? I would buy a cheep one. Thanks! Ah, i will steal the "delay lama". Do you know if there is a cd or group so named, or it is still free? It could be a good title for a track with loops sounding as mantras... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 4:45 PM Subject: Re: I'm really sorry... > At 9:36 AM -0500 11/15/02, Greg Waltzer wrote: > >If you want multiple loops playing at the same time, I think your choices are > >limited to the repeater (4 loops) or a laptop running a software > >looper such as ambiloop. > > The Repeater doesn't really have four loops, per say, but rather on > four-track loop. This means they all start and stop together. The > laptop solution may be the best overall, since you could have your > choice of several programs and could customize the interface and > functions. On the Macintosh Max/MSP would probably be the best, > though it requires some programming. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 20:32:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05240; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:29:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:29:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008c01c28d0f$b8d6b5a0$6bf0abd4@tin.it> From: "Amleto" To: Subject: Stompbox Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 02:30:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hay, can anybody please tell me what is a stompbox? If i want to search internet (stilll hoping in your suggestion) for a cheep real time multi effect how can i call it? Thanks... Sergio From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 20:38:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05946; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:37:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:37:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021115173115.00b5b500@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:38:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: I'm really sorry... In-Reply-To: <006101c28d0c$cf84b520$6bf0abd4@tin.it> References: <010b01c28c6d$e939d300$d1fcabd4@tin.it> <3DD50661.EAA6332F@optonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know how you fell about the computer. I hate them too. Check out the DJRND3 - it can do 21 simultaneous stereo loops: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/DJRND3/DJRND3.html Emmanuel, the inventor, frequents this list, and I'm sure he'd love to show it to you. He lives in France. -Hans P.S.: http://www.audionerdz.com/index2.htm At 17:09 15/11/2002, you wrote: >Ok, i understand i have to clear to who is a message. The last was for greg. >This is for Richard and Stuart and Dennis and Sine@ >I have no so many maney.... And consider that i have an unused pc (i use it >only for internet!) that i buyed to do music. I can't understand well >programs. Also because i have all cracked programs without manuals... Anyway >something make me crazy in pc. I prefer real time fisical effect at least >now. >Thanks anyway! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 20:57:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07232; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:57:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:57:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c28d13$9b317540$967d2dd5@tin.it> From: "Amleto" To: Subject: Because Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 02:58:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Because, i was thinking, about the sound quality of a multieffect for voice, i don't pretend too much. i just need it for theatre, dramatic effect, not to record cd! The forst is that it is fully and easily usable in real time, in live performance... Ciao Ah, about practicing, I think the problem is not to become perfect, but to be the less unperfect possible. The more is how you can feel sure of yourself, more than a fact of virtuosity. it is to become friend with your instrument. I used marionets. My master told me that it was good before to try to let them walk, just to embrace them, watch them, touch them, move them. It can sound like maestro miaghi of karate kid, but i believe it. Practice is to not loose the contact with your instrument. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 15 21:08:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09072; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 21:03:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 21:03:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b101c28d15$e3dfcd80$42a35e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: <60833301-F72F-11D6-9FF5-0003934B4712@solostring.com> <002701c28b4f$00bed9a0$e1a45e82@audiows> Subject: Re: Repeater Quirks? (was: Re: Not Underestimating an Audi...) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:14:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just had a "Slow CFC" message when trying to record a new loop, starting in Reverse. The card's memory had less than 2 minutes left. The fix(?): I transfered the loops to this computer via reader, re-formatted the card, and now, with 24+ minutes showing on CFC memory (128MG card), there is no "Slow CFC" hassle. Repeater is more healthy and spunky with a clear and open mind? ;-) David A. > > > > I'd be interested if anyone else has the same problem with their > > Repeater... just to make sure that I don't have a faulty unit or bad > > CFC card. > > > > Record a 4 beat (or any short metronome type loop)... after pressing > > the 'stop record' button, hit the multiply button twice in quick > > succession. What I get is a serious slow-down of the loop, and like I > > said, sometimes breaks in the audio. Its a bastard, as I really wanted > > to create a quick rhythmical bass line, extend it quickly, then drop > > back into record and add a string run.... *sigh* > > > > > I hope you can find a solution to your looping woes. > > > > The only solution I can think of is an EDP, but alas, my finances are > > up poo-creek and I seem to have mislaid my paddle. If anyone wants to > > swap a Repeater for an EDP, then I'm certainly definitely interested :) > > In the meantime, I'll just continue trying to squeeze as much as I can > > out of my beloved and battered DL4 :) > > > > > > -- > > Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 16 00:11:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01092; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 00:10:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 00:10:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 00:09:27 -0500 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Re: Stompbox To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DD5D307.FB699FE@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,zh-TW References: <008c01c28d0f$b8d6b5a0$6bf0abd4@tin.it> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A stompbox is a guitar effects pedal. Usually you stomp on it to turn it on and off. Here's a cheap multieffect: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=021115121115024189058066548174/g=rec/search/detail/base_pid/182468/ I don't know how good it is for vocals. Amleto wrote: > Hay, can anybody please tell me what is a stompbox? > If i want to search internet (stilll hoping in your suggestion) for a cheep > real time multi effect how can i call it? > Thanks... > Sergio From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 16 04:54:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03428; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 04:53:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 04:53:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:52:45 +0100 Subject: Re: I'm really sorry... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <006101c28d0c$cf84b520$6bf0abd4@tin.it> Message-Id: <286A9A24-F949-11D6-A702-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you want to play around with multiple loops, then there is probably the perfect solution waiting for you: Ableton Live! Check out their demo at http://www.ableton.com Although I have yet to use it for my solo project, I have used it extensively when creating music for an improvisational theatre group to create on-the-spur sound effects and ambiences. Once I get the space to set everything up again, I'm thinking about using it as a Midi clock generator for the Repeater, and trigger electronic percussion & bass using a spare Roland pedal board. It could be just what you are looking for, and it's a fraction of the price of a dedicated hardware looper :) -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 16 05:47:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA10377; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 05:44:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 05:44:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DD6125E.5090507@wanadoo.fr> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 11:39:42 +0200 From: "o.malhomme" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; fr-FR; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: fr-fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Poor loopers References: <200211160058.TAA01825@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For our new italian Friend.. I spent an enjoyable noon discussing and eating with Kevin Cooney recently (who was coming with his familiy on holidays in france and Italy), and during the discussion he talked about a cheap Zoom machine (unfortunately I don't remember which model exactly, but I'm sure fellows here will do) that had a 30 seconds looper (or 3 * 8 using the three switches of the pedal board), for next to nothing... It may be a way for you to start something (in my early days, looping meant a 2 sec Art machine...), especially if you can step on a second hand one... Olivier malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 16 10:33:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16761; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:27:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:27:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DD654A3.3030204@wanadoo.fr> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 16:22:27 +0200 From: "o.malhomme" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; fr-FR; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: fr-fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: off topic : carvin pick up wiring instructions... References: <200211110136.UAA29735@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry to bother you all, and please, if anyone can help, do it privately... I am happy to have now two Holdsworth Humbucker thanks to the list in general, and thanks to Kevin in particular. Except I have trouble with the meaning of the english instructions online on Carvin site. Pick ups come with three wire (red black white) and a ground. they say "white is used if you want coil swithching, otherwise you don't need it, tape the white wire back. connect the red wire to hot and the black one to ground". That ought to be pretty straightforward. Except that i don't have a clue of what "tape the white wire back" can possibly mean. I don't get it. if it was a 4 wire + ground pick I would understand, but three... Don't know what to do with this wire... Connect it with black and ground? Weird... Thanks you for anyone who could help me out of this manual that is ahead my poor head.... Olivier malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 16 13:01:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01242; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 12:59:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 12:59:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:56:40 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: Visuals in performance To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DD686D8.3B0575C4@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20021114224550.73648.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> <06a601c28c3a$c77153c0$080210ac@jpalmer> <3DD48D65.6060101@minds-eye.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interesting. This made me think of Rick Walker. His use of weird/found objects "IS" his visual show. (especially that voice effect thing with the blinking lights in it) How could a guitarist compeate with that? Not easily. All the cool guitar moves have been done to death, and would surely be impossible with the pedal schemes most of us have. So what do we do? Dancers? Lights? Video? All of them? Sounds fair to me. Mark Sottilaro Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > > Sure, they may not be staring at your feet trying to make out what > pedals you're using, or what fret you're playing (sorry non-guitarists), > but I think that they are nonetheless 'engaged' in the performance in > ways that music alone may not match. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 16 13:08:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02557; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:08:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:08:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c28d9c$861f2d80$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <286A9A24-F949-11D6-A702-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Subject: Re: I'm really sorry... Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:18:12 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > If you want to play around with multiple loops, then there is probably > the perfect solution waiting for you: Ableton Live! > > Check out their demo at http://www.ableton.com > > Although I have yet to use it for my solo project, I have used it > extensively when creating music for an improvisational theatre group to > create on-the-spur sound effects and ambiences. Once I get the space to > set everything up again, I'm thinking about using it as a Midi clock > generator for the Repeater, and trigger electronic percussion & bass > using a spare Roland pedal board. > -- > Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com You may want to double-check with Ableton but I don't think Live sends MIDI-Clock. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 16 13:22:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04411; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:19:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:19:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:17:23 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DD68BB3.FF7A8FE9@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20021115064334.410C92FD1B@server3.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right. That's pretty much the same page I'm on, but I'm also thinking of making sure there's a musical theme (tonal structure) for each piece. Time will tell how this plays out. Keep me informed of your progress. Mark Sottilaro ernesto schnack wrote: > So the action would always be the same > and would make up the "composition" but the notes would be improvised. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 16 13:27:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05386; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:24:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:24:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c28d9e$bd936d60$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: Subject: Re: Video Performance @ Zeitgeist 11.16 with Birdsongs of theMesozoic Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:34:04 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" > Wow. I remember seeing Birdsongs of the Mesozoic at the Blind Pig in Ann > Arbor in 1987 or so. And I remember seeing a Birdsongs of the Mesozoic CD filed under "Sound Effects" at the main Toronto HMV. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 16 14:03:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11826; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:02:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:02:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: LinkTomlin@aol.com Message-ID: <62.28a3a4cd.2b07f004@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:01:24 EST Subject: Re: I'm really sorry... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_62.28a3a4cd.2b07f004_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows UK sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_62.28a3a4cd.2b07f004_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Live does indeed send MIDI Clock, and it works very accurately here as well. It is also possible to record into "clips" from a live input and trigger them from a MIDI footpedal such as the Behringher. These can include VST effects etc, which are also MIDI controllable. With a decent soundcard that has good ASIO drivers, I use a Mixtreme here, it's as "live" as any hardware setup I've used. It's not ideal just yet, it's first incarnation was mainly aimed at DJ type looping\triggering, but Ableton have taken onboard a number of ideas for the upcoming v2 upgrade. It's neat though and can indeed be used for live looping of a signal. I'm using it in tandem with multiple instances of the new PSP84 plugin, basically a super PCM42 clone, which can sync to bats\bars and has some nice filtering\mangling and feedback options. Link In a message dated 16/11/2002 18:08:38 GMT Standard Time, scott@dreamstate.to writes: > You may want to double-check with Ableton > but I don't think Live sends MIDI-Clock. > > Cheers, > Scott M2 > --part1_62.28a3a4cd.2b07f004_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Live does indeed send MIDI Clock, and it works very accurately here as well. It is also possible to record into "clips" from a live input and trigger them from a MIDI footpedal such as the Behringher. These can include VST effects etc, which are also MIDI controllable. With a decent soundcard that has good ASIO drivers, I use a Mixtreme here, it's as "live" as any hardware setup I've used.

It's not ideal just yet, it's first incarnation was mainly aimed at DJ type looping\triggering, but Ableton have taken onboard a number of ideas for the upcoming v2 upgrade. It's neat though and can indeed be used for live looping of a signal. I'm using it in tandem with multiple instances of the new PSP84 plugin, basically a super PCM42 clone, which can sync to bats\bars and has some nice filtering\mangling and feedback options.

Link

In a message dated 16/11/2002 18:08:38 GMT Standard Time, scott@dreamstate.to writes:

You may want to double-check with Ableton
but I don't think Live sends MIDI-Clock.

Cheers,
Scott M2


 --part1_62.28a3a4cd.2b07f004_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 16 14:48:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17980; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:47:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:47:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ea01c28daa$6b416600$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Anomalous Disturbances & Sample Inq. Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:57:40 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday Nov.19th - Anomalous Disturbances & Sample Inq. Childhood friends & custom digital sound designers Ed Wilson & Paul Cook (MondoHiFi) are joined by musical technologist Eric Pavlyak to perform an improvisational digital potpourri of alien orchestra soundscapes as The Sample Inquisition (aka Sample Inq.). www.mondohifi.com Then, Vancouver BC ambient artist Anomalous Disturbances (Terry O'Brien) will be performing a set of etherial soundscaping via looping guitar improvisations and recombinant ephemera, in search of happy accidents, as he plays his second show at the Ping. It is rumoured that he may perform "in front" of his visual screen this time so folks will actually see him twiddlin' the knobs and strokin' the strings. http://www.anomalousdisturbances.com Between Sets CD - "Kite Stories" by Brian Eno (Opal - 1999) Music from Eno's installation at Kiasma Museum in Helsinki. The sound sources are time-stretched/pitch-shifted voices, synths, bass guitar, tuned spinning tubes, Japanese temple bells, slowed- down cymbals and synthetic seal cries. The sounds were distributed over 12 "random shuffling" CD players positioned around the space. http://music.hyperreal.org/artists/brian_eno . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the PiNG THiNGS ambient/experimental CD boutique. Drop off food at PiNG THiNGS for the Daily Bread Food Bank too. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday November 26th 2002 - SYLKEN http://www.sylken.ca Between Sets CD - "Underground Overlays From The Cistern Chapel" by Stuart Dempster - (New Albion - 1995) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . * Also of sonic interest: Tonight - Saturday November 16th is "Cream Test Centrifuge", a collaboration between renowned British musician & writer David Toop (author of "Ocean Of Sound"), Toronto-based electroacoustic composer Sarah Peebles, sound designer Darren Copeland & guitarist/improviser Nilan Perera. @ The Annex Theatre, 736 Bathurst St. Toronto, $20 @ the door Complete info at: http://www.soundtravels.ca/soundplay.html Immediately following concert is a CD Launch Reception celebrating two new releases by Sarah Peebles: "Insect Groove" (last week's Between Sets CD) & "108-Walking Through Tokyo at the Turn of the Century" @ Butler's Pantry, 591 Markham Street, Mirvish Village . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 16 19:10:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19879; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 19:09:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 19:09:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 16:06:07 -0800 Subject: Re: Visuals in performance From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3DD686D8.3B0575C4@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought one of the more visually compelling performers at the Santa Cruz Loopfest was Pete Coates. He wasn't doing anything specifically flashy, but watching him play multiple instruments and watching him contemplate the sounds he had created was good for creating visual engagement. Rick Walker also does well on the music-specific visual engagement front when he hasn't disappeared entirely into the shadows. Hans Lindauer's costume changes were pure theater and made for a nice addition to his set but they were more about having fun than about the music per se. One thing to consider when contemplating the level of visual interest is the question: How much does this moment in time look like previous moments -- particularly for non-musicians? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 16 19:15:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20231; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 19:15:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 19:15:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DD6DFF0.23FED115@friendlyspider.com> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 18:16:53 -0600 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Bass pickup and strings... References: <200211110136.UAA29735@hemlock.violacea.com> <3DD654A3.3030204@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm in a serious recording mode (involving looping
and non-looping compositions) presently and
I'm after a killer bass sound out of my 20 year
old Electra 4 string.  Questions:
Is anyone using a GraphTech acoustic
pickup system on their electric bass ?
Anyone tried Elixer bass strings have an opinion ?
I'm trying a Tech 21 SansAmp Bass Driver DI
and a couple of different compressors.
--
gary
@friendlyspider.com
  From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 16 20:08:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26339; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 20:07:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 20:07:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 20:09:58 -0500 Subject: Re: Poor loopers From: Daniel Soltzberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3DD6125E.5090507@wanadoo.fr> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3120322198_934952_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3120322198_934952_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I think you're talking about the Zoom Sample Track ST-224. It is indeed a good simple machine for storing and triggering (and effecting with some onboard effects) loops. However, you have to store the loops prior to your performance-- it's not designed like Echoplex or Repeater for live looping. dan -- ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com on 11/16/02 4:39 AM, o.malhomme at malhommeo@wanadoo.fr wrote: For our new italian Friend.. I spent an enjoyable noon discussing and eating with Kevin Cooney recently (who was coming with his familiy on holidays in france and Italy), and during the discussion he talked about a cheap Zoom machine (unfortunately I don't remember which model exactly, but I'm sure fellows here will do) that had a 30 seconds looper (or 3 * 8 using the three switches of the pedal board), for next to nothing... It may be a way for you to start something (in my early days, looping meant a 2 sec Art machine...), especially if you can step on a second hand one... Olivier malhomme --MS_Mac_OE_3120322198_934952_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Poor loopers I think you're talking about the Zoom Sample Track ST-224. It is indeed a g= ood simple machine for storing and triggering (and effecting with some onboa= rd effects) loops. However, you have to store the loops prior to your perfor= mance-- it's not designed like Echoplex or Repeater for live looping.

dan

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ghost 7/ Oranje
http://envelopeproductions.com



on 11/16/02 4:39 AM, o.malhomme at malhommeo@wanadoo.fr wrote:

For our new italian Friend..

I spent an enjoyable noon discussing and eating with Kevin Cooney
recently (who was coming with his familiy on holidays in france and
Italy), and during the discussion he talked about a cheap Zoom machine
(unfortunately I don't remember which model exactly, but I'm sure
fellows here will do) that had a 30 seconds looper (or 3 * 8 using the
three switches of the pedal board), for next to nothing...

It may be a way for you to start something (in my  early days, looping=
meant a 2 sec Art machine...), especially if you can step on a second
hand one...


Olivier malhomme


--MS_Mac_OE_3120322198_934952_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 16 21:08:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01771; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 21:07:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 21:07:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 21:08:42 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: off topic : carvin pick up wiring instructions... To: "o.malhomme" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00ad01c28dde$4a4e5960$1912be18@Douglas> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3DD654A3.3030204@wanadoo.fr> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Olivier wrote: > Except I have trouble with the meaning of the english instructions > online on Carvin site. > Pick ups come with three wire (red black white) and a ground. > > they say "white is used if you want coil swithching, otherwise you don't > need it, tape the white wire back. > connect the red wire to hot and the black one to ground". > > That ought to be pretty straightforward. > Except that i don't have a clue of what "tape the white wire back" can > possibly mean. "Tape the white wire back" means "do not use the white wire. Fold it back onto the outside of the big wire that it came out of, and cover it with tape so it won't touch any other wires or connections." I hope that helps. Ciao and peace. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 16 21:26:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03881; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 21:24:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 21:24:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: off topic : carvin pick up wiring instructions... Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 18:23:38 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <00ad01c28dde$4a4e5960$1912be18@Douglas> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fuck you. -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Baldwin [mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net] Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 6:09 PM To: o.malhomme; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: off topic : carvin pick up wiring instructions... Olivier wrote: > Except I have trouble with the meaning of the english instructions > online on Carvin site. > Pick ups come with three wire (red black white) and a ground. > > they say "white is used if you want coil swithching, otherwise you don't > need it, tape the white wire back. > connect the red wire to hot and the black one to ground". > > That ought to be pretty straightforward. > Except that i don't have a clue of what "tape the white wire back" can > possibly mean. "Tape the white wire back" means "do not use the white wire. Fold it back onto the outside of the big wire that it came out of, and cover it with tape so it won't touch any other wires or connections." I hope that helps. Ciao and peace. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 16 21:31:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04826; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 21:28:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 21:28:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 21:24:44 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: off topic : carvin pick up wiring instructions... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000701c28de0$7ddb25e0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Isn't that a bit over the top? * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley ----- Original Message ----- From: "MIKO" > Fuck you. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas Baldwin [mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net] > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 6:09 PM > To: o.malhomme; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: off topic : carvin pick up wiring instructions... > > > Olivier wrote: > > Except I have trouble with the meaning of the english instructions > > online on Carvin site. > > Pick ups come with three wire (red black white) and a ground. > > > > they say "white is used if you want coil swithching, otherwise you don't > > need it, tape the white wire back. > > connect the red wire to hot and the black one to ground". > > > > That ought to be pretty straightforward. > > Except that i don't have a clue of what "tape the white wire back" can > > possibly mean. > > "Tape the white wire back" means "do not use the white wire. Fold it back > onto the outside of the big wire that it came out of, and cover it with tape > so it won't touch any other wires or connections." I hope that helps. > Ciao and peace. > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > coyotelk@optonline.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 16 21:35:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05228; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 21:32:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 21:32:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006501c28de3$1d847db0$8fa35e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: <3DD1D695.6FF48C2F@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: WAY OT: Re: MIKO, please leave this list Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 18:43:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's not really THAT far off topic, is it? ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;D;a;v;i;d;;;A;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 16 22:39:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13542; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 22:38:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 22:38:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 22:37:53 EST Subject: Problem To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm running a Steinberger double neck bass side through a Boomerang an Ampeg BA-115 bass amp. When I'm looping through the boomerang there's a high pitch frequency "coloring". When I run the bass through the amp no problem. Suggestions? Thanks, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 16 23:35:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21184; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 23:33:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 23:33:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021117043219.66999.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 20:32:19 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: off topic : carvin pick up wiring instructions... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000701c28de0$7ddb25e0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You must understand that Miko considers it fascist to restrict the free flow of electrons by isolating one wire from another. While Miko favors the use of electrical tape between consenting adults, Miko draws the line at imposing one's will on electrical circuitry. MAKE BREAD NOT BREADBOARDS!!! John --- David Beardsley wrote: > Isn't that a bit over the top? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MIKO" > > > Fuck you. > > > > > > "Tape the white wire back" means "do not use the > white wire. Fold it back > > onto the outside of the big wire that it came out > of, and cover it with > tape > > so it won't touch any other wires or connections." > I hope that helps. > > Ciao and peace. > > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > > coyotelk@optonline.net ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 16 23:59:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23285; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 23:56:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 23:56:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <9f.3085a2ef.2b087b54@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 23:55:48 EST Subject: Re: off topic : carvin pick up wiring instructions... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9f.3085a2ef.2b087b54_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: <5NKNbC.A.XrF.ZFy19@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_9f.3085a2ef.2b087b54_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/16/02 9:24:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, m-i-k-o@attbi.com writes: > Fuck you. > miko.....no one needs this.....michael --part1_9f.3085a2ef.2b087b54_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/16/02 9:24:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, m-i-k-o@attbi.com writes:


Fuck you.


miko.....no one needs this.....michael --part1_9f.3085a2ef.2b087b54_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 01:20:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31349; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 01:19:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 01:19:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 22:19:39 -0800 Subject: Miko (was Re: off topic : carvin pick up wiring instructions...) From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6jh0AB.A.dpH.eTz19@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A few days ago I was of the mindset that Miko was annoying but could be dealt with via a filter. A problem for people receiving the digest. A problem for people with slow connections. But if the list consensus weren't prepared to remove him, then so be it. Now, I'm in the Miko is way over the line camp. Mark on 11/16/02 6:23 PM, MIKO at m-i-k-o@attbi.com wrote: > Fuck you. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 02:05:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04575; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 02:05:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 02:05:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.6; T1.001; A1.51; B2.12; Q2.03) From: "ernesto schnack" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 02:05:15 -0500 X-Epoch: 1037516715 X-Sasl-enc: 5/FkVtQVq8cQtaGD/8YJcA Subject: Re: OT: Bass pickup and strings... Message-Id: <20021117070515.630662FD28@server3.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 18:16:53 -0600, "Gary Phillips" said: > Anyone tried Elixer bass strings have an opinion ? I haven't used their bass strings, but I found their acoustic strings got *really* bad intonation after about 2 weeks. As did the ones for electric guitar, although I think they lasted a bit longer. Ernesto -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 02:53:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07962; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 02:52:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 02:52:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021117075126.6788.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 23:51:26 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Whats happening here? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <6En2N.A.v7B.dq019@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I open my loopers mail and the first thing i get is this? Please we really don´t need this Peace Louie > Fuck you. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas Baldwin > [mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net] > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 6:09 PM > To: o.malhomme; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: off topic : carvin pick up wiring > instructions... > > > Olivier wrote: > > Except I have trouble with the meaning of the > english instructions > > online on Carvin site. > > Pick ups come with three wire (red black white) > and a ground. > > > > they say "white is used if you want coil > swithching, otherwise you don't > > need it, tape the white wire back. > > connect the red wire to hot and the black one to > ground". > > > > That ought to be pretty straightforward. > > Except that i don't have a clue of what "tape the > white wire back" can > > possibly mean. > > "Tape the white wire back" means "do not use the > white wire. Fold it back > onto the outside of the big wire that it came out > of, and cover it with tape > so it won't touch any other wires or connections." I > hope that helps. > Ciao and peace. > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > coyotelk@optonline.net > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 02:53:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07970; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 02:52:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 02:52:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021117075134.77766.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 23:51:34 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Whats happening here? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I open my loopers mail and the first thing i get is this? Please we really don´t need this Peace Louie > Fuck you. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas Baldwin > [mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net] > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 6:09 PM > To: o.malhomme; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: off topic : carvin pick up wiring > instructions... > > > Olivier wrote: > > Except I have trouble with the meaning of the > english instructions > > online on Carvin site. > > Pick ups come with three wire (red black white) > and a ground. > > > > they say "white is used if you want coil > swithching, otherwise you don't > > need it, tape the white wire back. > > connect the red wire to hot and the black one to > ground". > > > > That ought to be pretty straightforward. > > Except that i don't have a clue of what "tape the > white wire back" can > > possibly mean. > > "Tape the white wire back" means "do not use the > white wire. Fold it back > onto the outside of the big wire that it came out > of, and cover it with tape > so it won't touch any other wires or connections." I > hope that helps. > Ciao and peace. > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > coyotelk@optonline.net > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 04:02:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA15405; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 04:01:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 04:01:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021117090036.31049.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 01:00:36 -0800 (PST) From: charlotte moorman Subject: fuck you, indeed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com bye guys- i can't tell you how exciting it was to find you, at the beginning of a new musical chapter in my life. with my classical training and my rocker head, i was thrilled to be putting a few devices together for the first time and just making MUSIC out of it, just good raw colors and sounds. no long-term goals with it, just some good sounds. and this was the place to meet the crowd that was doing what i hear now. now, this shit. with all the FUCKING CRASS CULTURE we are drowning in, the drive-by cartoon minstrel show-rapper black shit, the super violent white-trash hypocrisy that's emineme'd down america's throat every day and night, all of it, this seemed like a safe haven from all that , with people that are just trying to create some strange beauty in the world.i should have known better- i see that most of these posts are verbal pissing contests, "can you top this for cleverness" from the same nerds that ALWAYS think that way, with the same dead-end inbred lifestyle and the same predictable responses. i am so sick to death of petty little over-verbalizing monsters let loose all over the internet. I MEAN YOU, MIKO. YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE. PLEASE, DO EVERYONE A BIG FAVOR AND DROP DEAD. QUICKLY. TONIGHT. either that, or save yourself - find a girlfriend who can bring some love in your life. or do some charity work. or go into therapy. please, take your stink out of here. thanks to the cool brothers and sisters who have written to me, i relly respect you and the others and will keep in touch off of this list. but this scene is starting to feel like america. "no wonder they hate us". i may be overreacting, or i may be on-target, because something is rotten in us now. peace and goodby, and make try to make the best of yourselves. charlotte j. moorman __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 04:06:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA16336; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 04:05:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 04:05:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004801c28de5$f53b0bf0$01f8c440@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: Subject: Re: Miko (was Re: off topic : carvin pick up wiring instructions...) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 03:03:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Now, I'm in the Miko is way over the line camp." i was just going to keep my mouth shut and keep hitting delete, but jeez...come on!!! this is sheer and unmitigated stupidity. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 04:17:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA17310; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 04:17:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 04:17:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021117091626.30629.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 01:16:26 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Is there a moderator here? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004801c28de5$f53b0bf0$01f8c440@g0wn7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <6lwIhC.A._NE.J6119@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Enough said... > "Now, I'm in the Miko is way over the line camp." > > i was just going to keep my mouth shut and keep > hitting delete, but > jeez...come on!!! this is sheer and unmitigated > stupidity. > > -jim > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 07:19:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31369; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:18:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:18:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021117041634.0327dd28@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 04:20:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: fuck you, indeed In-Reply-To: <20021117090036.31049.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:00 AM 11/17/2002, charlotte moorman wrote: > i may be overreacting I would say so. the list is what everybody puts into it, not what one person puts into it. If all you contribute is an I Hate Miko diatribe, then you are not being any more useful than he is. Why not fill the space with something good? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 07:29:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31707; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:26:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:26:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021117042202.034b2ec0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 04:26:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Is there a moderator here? In-Reply-To: <20021117091626.30629.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com> References: <004801c28de5$f53b0bf0$01f8c440@g0wn7> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Is there a moderator here?" no there is not, and there never will be. It's up to the list as a community to sort out its problems. Sometimes that will be a challenge. But if you all can't manage to deal with a silly little issue like this, how do you manage to get through each day of your life? kim At 01:16 AM 11/17/2002, Louie Angulo wrote: >Enough said... > > > > "Now, I'm in the Miko is way over the line camp." > > > > i was just going to keep my mouth shut and keep > > hitting delete, but > > jeez...come on!!! this is sheer and unmitigated > > stupidity. > > > > -jim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 07:34:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31985; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:31:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:31:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:30:58 +0100 Subject: Re: fuck you, indeed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021117041634.0327dd28@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: <6C9C529C-FA28-11D6-AE0D-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, November 17, 2002, at 01:20 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > the list is what everybody puts into it, not what one person puts into > it. If all you contribute is an I Hate Miko diatribe, then you are not > being any more useful than he is. Why not fill the space with > something good? I could not have put it better myself. Also, anyone unsubscribing from the list because of Miko are only shooting themselves in the foot. If you don't like his posts, or find them offensive, then don't read them. I read most of his posts, and about 20% of them have some really good points... and as I've said before, I really do hope that he stays on list. Getting offended at a simple 'fuck you' in this day and age is almost laughable. Take it with a pinch of salt... It was obviously meant in a humerous way, but alas, 99.9999% of the world population simply does not understand his rather bizarre sense of humour :) -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 07:43:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA32380; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:41:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:41:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:40:42 +0100 Subject: OT:Re: fuck you, indeed PT.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021117041634.0327dd28@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: <1JqwcB.A.n5H.q5419@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A few years ago, I was prostituting my services on the Scandinavian Irish pub circuit, and often met up with an Australian musician called "Dave Dusch"... He's been working the circuit now for about 12 years, and is as alchoholic as they come, but a great act. One night in the Stockholm Dubliner, he was completely off of his face on hash and booze, and played terribly. Thats part of his act, and the reason why people see him. His ad-lib harsh humour puts him in the category of comedian more than a musician. Anyway, at this night, a very posh and pompous lady came up to him and said "Excuse me, I would just like to say that this is the worst musical experience that I have ever experienced, and you should be ashamed of yourself."........ to which he replied (in front of the microphone) "Fuck off Bitch". The whole pub exploded in hysterics. It must be the Australian accent, or just Dave.... nobody (other than the lady) took offense. Anyway, the phrase "Fuck off bitch" became famous on the Irish circuit.... and people would often imitate him in a jokey way..... There was one time when I was in Paris, and Helene had said something to me (cant remember what).... to which I replied "Fuck off Bitch" in the slurred Aussie accent. It was meant as a joke.... It did not occur to me that she did not know Dave, did not know the Scandic circuit, and did not know that "Fuck off Bitch" was one of the famous sayings in the Stockholm student scene during 1999.... She did not speak to me for 24 hours.... So my point is this.... I think Miko was trying to be humerous.... however nobody understands the joke.... so please don't take offense.... Nothing that he has written so far has been offensive, just a little crazy and OT. -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 07:53:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA00359; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:51:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:51:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: RE: Practice, rehearse, perform Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 04:51:41 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c28e38$13cd9c70$6401a8c0@om> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <20021115064334.410C92FD1B@server3.fastmail.fm> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My friend and I arrived at a similar idea when working on a concept based composition. It is 30 min- 3 min each on the diff branches of the Quaballic (sp) tree of life symbol. Originally we planned on it being 100% improv each time- however as time went on we found ourselves agreeing that certain things that we created were worth keeping in future performances- things like "at the beginning of this section player A creates a loop/bed of low rumbling tones while player B plays ascending single notes" etc. I am still using this concept and find it very useful. It allows for some structure you can follow but in no way predetermines what exactly you will play. It fits rather nicely with many loop techniques as the process by which you may create your loop/s is known in advance while WHAT you will create is not. I really like the idea. Cliff www.om-studios.com -----Original Message----- From: ernesto schnack [mailto:schnack@mailbolt.com] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 10:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:40:49 -0800, "Mark" said: > I'm thinking of abandoning my 100% (except for drums sequences) improv > method of live > music because I'm realizing that it's just too hard to be "there" all the > time. I had a bit of an epiphany about this last night. I tend go for 100% improv too, but it's so hit and miss...I realized that I tend to gravitate towards certain patterns, so I could make "process compositions". Something like "For this piece, I'm gonna record a short chord, then switch to reverse and add some harmonics. Then I'll pass them through a filter..." and so on. So the action would always be the same and would make up the "composition" but the notes would be improvised. Of course I don't see myself following that strictly, but it's a nice way to have a gameplan and have a little consistency...I think...I haven't actually tried it yet... Ernesto -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm - I mean, what is it about a decent email service? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 08:10:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02285; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 08:09:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 08:09:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: LinkTomlin@aol.com Message-ID: <82.23eef1e1.2b08ef04@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 08:09:24 EST Subject: Re: OT:Re: fuck you, indeed PT.2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_82.23eef1e1.2b08ef04_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows UK sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_82.23eef1e1.2b08ef04_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think there's a little pre-christmas stress going on here, though I've been known to be wrong. Get's kinda stressy this time of year. Either way, I'd like to take this opportunity throw two "bollocks", one "screw you" and half an "asshole" into the fray at this juncture if I may? Loop 'til yah droop. Link --part1_82.23eef1e1.2b08ef04_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think there's a little pre-christmas stress going on here, though I've been known to be wrong. Get's kinda stressy this time of year. Either way, I'd like to take this opportunity throw two "bollocks", one "screw you" and half an "asshole" into the fray at this juncture if I may?

Loop 'til yah droop.

Link
 --part1_82.23eef1e1.2b08ef04_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 09:14:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06368; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 09:14:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 09:14:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: OT: moderators and life in general Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:14:23 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c28e43$a136a060$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021117042202.034b2ec0@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kim, > It's up to the list as a community to sort out its problems. > Sometimes that > will be a challenge. But if you all can't manage to deal with a silly > little issue like this, how do you manage to get through each > day of your > life? Perhaps most people do have a moderator (or several moderators) in their everyday life? Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 09:31:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07227; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 09:29:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 09:29:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 09:23:41 -0500 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DD7A66D.BE15526A@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,zh-TW References: <000001c28e38$13cd9c70$6401a8c0@om> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm also a big fan of structured improvisation, especially in a group setting. Does anyone else have any "rules" that they find useful? We often jam over a random arpeggio (a sort of midi loop) that defines a key and tempo. I suppose that audio loops can be used the same way. Clifford Novey wrote: > My friend and I arrived at a similar idea when working on a concept > based composition. It is 30 min- 3 min each on the diff branches of the > Quaballic (sp) tree of life symbol. Originally we planned on it being > 100% improv each time- however as time went on we found ourselves > agreeing that certain things that we created were worth keeping in > future performances- things like "at the beginning of this section > player A creates a loop/bed of low rumbling tones while player B plays > ascending single notes" etc. I am still using this concept and find it > very useful. It allows for some structure you can follow but in no way > predetermines what exactly you will play. It fits rather nicely with > many loop techniques as the process by which you may create your loop/s > is known in advance while WHAT you will create is not. I really like the > idea. > > Cliff > > www.om-studios.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: ernesto schnack [mailto:schnack@mailbolt.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 10:44 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform > > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:40:49 -0800, "Mark" said: > > I'm thinking of abandoning my 100% (except for drums sequences) improv > > method of live > > music because I'm realizing that it's just too hard to be "there" all > the > > time. > > I had a bit of an epiphany about this last night. I tend go for 100% > improv too, but it's so hit and miss...I realized that I tend to > gravitate towards certain patterns, so I could make "process > compositions". Something like "For this piece, I'm gonna record a short > chord, then switch to reverse and add some harmonics. Then I'll pass > them > through a filter..." and so on. So the action would always be the same > and would make up the "composition" but the notes would be improvised. > Of course I don't see myself following that strictly, but it's a nice > way > to have a gameplan and have a little consistency...I think...I haven't > actually tried it yet... > > Ernesto > > -- > ernesto schnack > http://schnack.does.it > > -- > http://fastmail.fm - I mean, what is it about a decent email service? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 09:50:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA08094; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 09:47:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 09:47:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <018601c28e48$0ac0eb40$aa47ddd5@laptop> From: "Leander Reininghaus" To: References: <200211110136.UAA29735@hemlock.violacea.com> <3DD654A3.3030204@wanadoo.fr> Subject: Re: off topic : carvin pick up wiring instructions... Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:43:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_017E_01C28E50.176F6760" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_017E_01C28E50.176F6760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Olivier, the white wire on Carvin PUs is just two wires soldered together already = at the PU and lead out with only one wire.=20 So, red is the +pole of one coil, black is the -pole of the other coil = and white is the ( humbucking ) connection between the two coils: coil 1 coil 2 + - + - I I________I I red I black white Connect either red or black to hot/the PU selector and the other to = ground depending if you wish to have an in-phase or out-of-phase sound = with your other pickup(s). >>> Same colors means in-, different colors = means out-of-phase. If you connect white to ground ( or to a switch toggeling between on and = ground ) you'd get a single coil sound with the one coil on that's = connected to hot/the PU selector. If you don't wish to have a single = coil sound just tape the white wire and leave it unconnected. Best wishes =20 Leander ------=_NextPart_000_017E_01C28E50.176F6760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi = Olivier,
 
the white wire on = Carvin PUs is just=20 two wires soldered together already at the PU and lead out with = only one=20 wire.
So, red is the +pole of = one coil,=20 black is the -pole of the other coil and white is the ( humbucking ) = connection=20 between the two coils:
 
          &nbs= p;         =20 coil=20 1            =   =20 coil 2
          &nbs= p;        =20 +       -     = ;        +    = ;  -
          &nbs= p;         =20 I       I________I   &n= bsp;  =20 I
          &nbs= p;         red  &n= bsp;        I   &n= bsp;       =20 black
          &nbs= p;            = ;         white
=
 
Connect either red or = black to=20 hot/the PU selector and the other to ground depending if you wish to = have an=20 in-phase or out-of-phase sound with your other pickup(s). = >>>=20 Same colors means in-, different colors means out-of-phase.
If you connect white to = ground ( or=20 to a switch toggeling between on and ground ) you'd get a single coil = sound with=20 the one coil on that's connected to hot/the PU selector. If you don't = wish to=20 have a single coil sound just tape the white wire and leave it=20 unconnected.
 
Best = wishes
 
Leander
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_017E_01C28E50.176F6760-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 09:52:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA08194; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 09:49:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 09:49:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c28e48$944d0420$d7a8a418@krumsite> From: "krumsite" To: Subject: sp 808 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 09:49:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01C28E1E.AB419440" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C28E1E.AB419440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with roland's sp 808 ex? thanks=20 chris ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C28E1E.AB419440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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thanks
chris
------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C28E1E.AB419440-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 10:36:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11728; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:35:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:35:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021117153441.90336.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:34:41 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Is there a moderator here? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021117042202.034b2ec0@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-x3iCC.A.A3C.wc719@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Allright let the fuck you saga continue then cheers > "Is there a moderator here?" > > no there is not, and there never will be. > > It's up to the list as a community to sort out its > problems. Sometimes that > will be a challenge. But if you all can't manage to > deal with a silly > little issue like this, how do you manage to get > through each day of your > life? > > kim > > At 01:16 AM 11/17/2002, Louie Angulo wrote: > >Enough said... > > > > > > > "Now, I'm in the Miko is way over the line > camp." > > > > > > i was just going to keep my mouth shut and keep > > > hitting delete, but > > > jeez...come on!!! this is sheer and unmitigated > > > stupidity. > > > > > > -jim > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 10:38:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11959; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:38:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:38:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021117153721.54454.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:37:21 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: sp 808 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002401c28e48$944d0420$d7a8a418@krumsite> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don´t have much experience with it but i tried it and the sounds are really cool.I am not sure how advance its sequence capabilities are though. cheers > I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with > roland's sp 808 ex? > > thanks > chris ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 12:02:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19631; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:01:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:01:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1c3.1b4a9da.2b092527@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:00:23 EST Subject: Re: Poor loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: <_VDpXB.A.ayE.Kt819@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I spent an enjoyable noon discussing and eating with Kevin Cooney > recently (who was coming with his familiy on holidays in france and > Italy), and during the discussion he talked about a cheap Zoom machine > (unfortunately I don't remember which model exactly, but I'm sure > fellows here will do) that had a 30 seconds looper (or 3 * 8 using the > three switches of the pedal board), for next to nothing... that's the Zoom 2100 a guitar multieffect with 3 different looping options. 1) a 16 sec tap time loop, no overdubs (or 32 at lower quality) 2) 3 simultaneous 5s tap time loops , no overdubs where the 3 loops can all play at the same time with different lenghs ( but you have to hold down a switch all the time for each loop that you want to play) 3) a 6 second overdubbing loop (no tap time) combined with a 10s delay it's a fairly standard multiFX otherwise good fun as a loop toy and not expensive andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 12:57:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22310; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:56:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:56:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-envelope-info: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 09:59:37 -0800 Subject: Re: Is there a moderator here? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Landman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021117042202.034b2ec0@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: <5624340A-FA56-11D6-940E-00039375AF3C@sonic.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <5Sbvo.A.NcF.1g919@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, November 17, 2002, at 04:26 AM, Kim Flint wrote: > "Is there a moderator here?" > > no there is not, and there never will be. > > It's up to the list as a community to sort out its problems. Sometimes > that will be a challenge. But if you all can't manage to deal with a > silly little issue like this, how do you manage to get through each day > of your life? > > kim > The key thing here seems to be the concept of this list as a "self-policing" community. This works as long as the community shares some key values about appropriate actions and behaviors. There can be a wide range of latitude in this range, but still enough consistency so the "community" works and thrives. The problem we have is when someone on the list falls well outside the range of tolerable behavior. The rest of the list has no truly satisfactory method of dealing with the problem. I think it's fine we have an unmoderated list, This allows wide range of topics and opinions to be presented on LD. But when we find a situation where someone's broadcasting continual "white noise", this is a problem. I wouldn't view removing input like this "moderating", I'd view it as an unfortunate exception to be dealt with. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 13:15:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24444; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:15:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:15:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:15:21 -0800 Subject: Community standards (was Re: fuck you, indeed) From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021117041634.0327dd28@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0M2kI.A.g9F.by919@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 11/17/02 4:20 AM, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > the list is what everybody puts into it, not what one person puts into it. > If all you contribute is an I Hate Miko diatribe, then you are not being > any more useful than he is. Why not fill the space with something good? Perhaps because just a bit of cyanide tends to ruin the entire pot of coffee. Since Kim doesn't want to be a moderator and I don't think most people on the list want Kim to be a moderator, that leaves us with community standards and a question of how to enforce them. I like acerbic when it's at least marginally on topic. I don't have a problem with profanity. I have a strong distaste for political correctness. What troubled me here was that in response to a simple technical discussion, Miko verbally assaulted one of the participants. If it had been in response to one of the "Miko must go" messages, that wouldn't have triggered this sort of reaction. At least then, it would have been the case of someone picking a fight with Miko. This was a case of Miko taking a swing at someone more or less at random. Do we condone that? Do we have no community standards? Am I going to have to admit that the conservatives are right and that liberal attitudes have completely destroyed community standards? Am I going to feel driven to start supporting Republicans or at least the downtown merchants in Santa Cruz? The SP-808 list suffers from this sort of problem a lot. It's distasteful. It severely limits the utility of the list. I don't want to see Loopers become another case of this. So, in my opinion we need community standards. They should be broad, but they shouldn't say that essentially anything goes. Since we don't want Kim to act as moderator, that leaves us with public condemnation and shunning as a way to express those standards. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 13:29:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25350; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:26:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:26:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: <16d.15b3615f.2b093929@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:25:45 EST Subject: Re: Community standards (was Re: fuck you, indeed) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_16d.15b3615f.2b093929_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 8.0 for Windows US sub 230 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_16d.15b3615f.2b093929_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit is there a therapist in the house? --part1_16d.15b3615f.2b093929_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit is there a therapist in the house? --part1_16d.15b3615f.2b093929_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 13:44:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26217; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:41:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:41:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:40:12 EST Subject: Re: Is there a moderator here? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d3.152d6a7a.2b093c8c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 8.0 for Windows US sub 230 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_d3.152d6a7a.2b093c8c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how's about ignoring people who are obviously just trying to provoke a reaction? i think if people stopped paying attention to this crap it would stop - quite ironic that a guy with (apparently significant) emotional problems and (apparently) little interest in looping or its ephemera has generated the most number of posts and responses to any topic(s) in ages - it shouldn't be surprising to anybody that there are people out there who, for one reason or another, get their jollies taking pot shots at anyone in their line of sight - as i have unfortunately learned too often, intelligence and the ability to play interesting music in an interesting way does not always translate into a rational, fully functional, self actualizing human being - perhaps there is a silver lining to this wackiness, however, since this debacle has caused me to de-lurk long enough to say hello and thank the list at large for turning me on to some great music that i may not have otherwise heard - harry --part1_d3.152d6a7a.2b093c8c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how's about ignoring people who are obviously just trying to provoke a reaction?  i think if people stopped paying attention to this crap it would stop - quite ironic that a guy with (apparently significant) emotional problems and (apparently) little interest in looping or its ephemera has generated the most number of posts and responses to any topic(s) in ages - it shouldn't be surprising to anybody that there are people out there who, for one reason or another, get their jollies taking pot shots at anyone in their line of sight - as i have unfortunately learned too often, intelligence and the ability to play interesting music in an interesting way does not always translate into a rational, fully functional, self actualizing human being -

perhaps there is a silver lining to this wackiness, however, since this debacle has caused me to de-lurk long enough to say hello and thank the list at large for turning me on to some great music that i may not have otherwise heard -

harry --part1_d3.152d6a7a.2b093c8c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 14:22:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29318; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 14:16:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 14:16:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c28e6f$1cfaaea0$0558510c@anon> From: "alex millar" To: References: Subject: Re: Is there a moderator here? Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 11:25:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C28E2C.0487A960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C28E2C.0487A960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maybe I can help redirect things with some ignorance. I am new to the = post but not totally new to electronic music and my interest in it has = been rather solitary - I don't have a group of people that share my = interest through who I can get information - so it is not broad. I just = get interested in things as I hear about them or research them. So... = what is the great music that I should listen to? I don't know if I am = rational or self-actualized yet but I try. ExProBono ----- Original Message -----=20 From: HarryEsq@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 10:40 AM Subject: Re: Is there a moderator here? how's about ignoring people who are obviously just trying to provoke a = reaction? i think if people stopped paying attention to this crap it = would stop - quite ironic that a guy with (apparently significant) = emotional problems and (apparently) little interest in looping or its = ephemera has generated the most number of posts and responses to any = topic(s) in ages - it shouldn't be surprising to anybody that there are = people out there who, for one reason or another, get their jollies = taking pot shots at anyone in their line of sight - as i have = unfortunately learned too often, intelligence and the ability to play = interesting music in an interesting way does not always translate into a = rational, fully functional, self actualizing human being -=20 perhaps there is a silver lining to this wackiness, however, since = this debacle has caused me to de-lurk long enough to say hello and thank = the list at large for turning me on to some great music that i may not = have otherwise heard -=20 harry=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C28E2C.0487A960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Maybe I can help redirect things with = some=20 ignorance. I am new to the post but not totally new to electronic music = and my=20 interest in it has been rather solitary - I don't have a group of people = that=20 share my interest through who I can get information - so it is not = broad. I just=20 get interested in things as I hear about them or research them. So... = what is=20 the great music that I should listen to? I don't know if I am rational = or=20 self-actualized yet but I try.
 
ExProBono
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 HarryEsq@aol.com=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 = 10:40=20 AM
Subject: Re: Is there a = moderator=20 here?

how's about ignoring people who are obviously = just trying=20 to provoke a reaction?  i think if people stopped paying = attention to=20 this crap it would stop - quite ironic that a guy with (apparently=20 significant) emotional problems and (apparently) little interest in = looping or=20 its ephemera has generated the most number of posts and responses to = any=20 topic(s) in ages - it shouldn't be surprising to anybody that there = are people=20 out there who, for one reason or another, get their jollies taking pot = shots=20 at anyone in their line of sight - as i have unfortunately learned too = often,=20 intelligence and the ability to play interesting music in an = interesting way=20 does not always translate into a rational, fully functional, self = actualizing=20 human being -

perhaps there is a silver lining to this = wackiness,=20 however, since this debacle has caused me to de-lurk long enough to = say hello=20 and thank the list at large for turning me on to some great music that = i may=20 not have otherwise heard -

harry=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C28E2C.0487A960-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 15:43:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01876; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:34:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:34:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:31:46 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: Is there a moderator here? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DD7FCB2.45306447@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <002c01c28e6f$1cfaaea0$0558510c@anon> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Electronic music is such a huge genera... I don't know where to start. I'd probably start with anything you can find from Brian Eno. He's done everything from pop to ambient. His music often contains a lot of looping, and the albums he did with Robert Fripp are some of the best looping ambient stuff, IMO. Also, check out stuff by Bill Laswell and his many projects. Again, another biggie with loop based music. Mark Sottilaro alex millar wrote: > Maybe I can help redirect things with some ignorance. I am new to the > post but not totally new to electronic music and my interest in it has > been rather solitary - I don't have a group of people that share my > interest through who I can get information - so it is not broad. I > just get interested in things as I hear about them or research them. > So... what is the great music that I should listen to? I don't know if > I am rational or self-actualized yet but I try. ExProBono > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: HarryEsq@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 10:40 AM > Subject: Re: Is there a moderator here? > how's about ignoring people who are obviously just trying > to provoke a reaction? i think if people stopped paying > attention to this crap it would stop - quite ironic that a > guy with (apparently significant) emotional problems and > (apparently) little interest in looping or its ephemera has > generated the most number of posts and responses to any > topic(s) in ages - it shouldn't be surprising to anybody > that there are people out there who, for one reason or > another, get their jollies taking pot shots at anyone in > their line of sight - as i have unfortunately learned too > often, intelligence and the ability to play interesting > music in an interesting way does not always translate into a > rational, fully functional, self actualizing human being - > > perhaps there is a silver lining to this wackiness, however, > since this debacle has caused me to de-lurk long enough to > say hello and thank the list at large for turning me on to > some great music that i may not have otherwise heard - > > harry > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 15:45:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02414; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:42:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:42:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Mike Mann To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:51:08 -0500 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Reply-To: rainbowsky@subdimension.com Message-Id: Subject: SV: SV: Practice, rehearse, perform MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Opera 6.05 build 1140 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 11/13/02 6:13:22 PM, "Per Boysen" wrote: >I meant "practicing to bring out your natural instincts through musical >expression". Being able to make music the way you walk, eat, fart or >whatever ;-) IMHO that must be the aim for any kind of practicing or >rehearsing. Have you (or anyone else here) read _Zen Guitar_ by Philip Toshio Sudo? His sentiments are (actually were -- he died this past summer) the same. It's a worthwhile book. One reason I've been attracted to looping (still figuring out which gear I want/need) is for the in-the-moment possibilities. Judging by some of the other posts, that seems a definite attraction for many loopers. Cheers, Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 16:11:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05699; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:11:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:11:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <79.244f27f.2b095fb6@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:10:14 EST Subject: Boomerang/ bass amp To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can someone recommend a good bass amp that works well with the Boomerang? Probably has an effects send. There are loopers out there that use a Boomerang with a bass amp? Thanks, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 16:16:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06216; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:15:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:15:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00cb01c28e7e$ce3071a0$35494ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <79.244f27f.2b095fb6@aol.com> Subject: Re: Boomerang/ bass amp Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:17:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi James, I'm not using a Boomerag, but have had really good results using loopers in the Effects loop on my Ashdown amps - it's got a solid state power amp, and tube front end, so you can get it a little bit grindy if you want, but any effects/looping is as clean as you like... At the moment I'm using an Ashdown ABM-500 head, MINI48 4x8 cab and MINI10t 1x10 cab, with two EDPs and a Lexicon MPX-G2 in the effects loop... It rocks my world... :o) see www.ashdownmusic.co.uk (some rather nice guitar and acoustic amps there too...) cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 9:10 PM Subject: Boomerang/ bass amp > Can someone recommend a good bass amp that works well with the Boomerang? > Probably has an effects send. There are loopers out there that use a > Boomerang with a bass amp? > > > Thanks, James > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 16:18:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06511; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:18:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:18:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c28e80$45637820$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <62.28a3a4cd.2b07f004@aol.com> Subject: Re: I'm really sorry... Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:28:28 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Whoops - Thanks Link (and Stuart offlist). I checked with my friend who had complained about the MIDI clock in Live and he stated that the clock was fine - but when Live is stopped, the MIDI clock stops too and therefore the arpeggiators or whatnot that he has synced to it, all stop too. He prefers the Roland style MIDI clock that always continues but uses start & stop messages and wishes that there was an option for this in Live. Since most people likely are indifferent about this difference - sorry for the red-herring. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From: > Live does indeed send MIDI Clock, and it works very accurately here as well. > It is also possible to record into "clips" from a live input and trigger them > from a MIDI footpedal such as the Behringher. These can include VST effects > etc, which are also MIDI controllable. With a decent soundcard that has good > ASIO drivers, I use a Mixtreme here, it's as "live" as any hardware setup > I've used. > > It's not ideal just yet, it's first incarnation was mainly aimed at DJ type > looping\triggering, but Ableton have taken onboard a number of ideas for the > upcoming v2 upgrade. It's neat though and can indeed be used for live looping > of a signal. I'm using it in tandem with multiple instances of the new PSP84 > plugin, basically a super PCM42 clone, which can sync to bats\bars and has > some nice filtering\mangling and feedback options. > > Link > > In a message dated 16/11/2002 18:08:38 GMT Standard Time, scott@dreamstate.to > writes: > > > You may want to double-check with Ableton > > but I don't think Live sends MIDI-Clock. > > > > Cheers, > > Scott M2 > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 16:20:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06660; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:19:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:19:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021117211854.3817.qmail@web40311.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:18:54 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: Boomerang/ bass amp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <79.244f27f.2b095fb6@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i use a repeater with my ass. any amp should be fine, just remember that if you are going direct into the amp, that you are probably going a line level which is pretty hot. --- Jhsidlo@aol.com wrote: > Can someone recommend a good bass amp that works > well with the Boomerang? > Probably has an effects send. There are loopers out > there that use a > Boomerang with a bass amp? > > > Thanks, James > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 16:22:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06932; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:21:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:21:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021117132122.00aeaa10@mail.mindspring.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:21:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Boomerang/ bass amp In-Reply-To: <20021117211854.3817.qmail@web40311.mail.yahoo.com> References: <79.244f27f.2b095fb6@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interesting concept! At 01:18 PM 2002/11/17, Evan Meyers wrote: >i use a repeater with my ass. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 16:25:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07120; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:23:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:23:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021117212316.95635.qmail@web40303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:23:16 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: Boomerang/ bass amp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20021117132122.00aeaa10@mail.mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0eDIkD.A.FvB.jjA29@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i also use it with my foot and my Bass... my bad, but hopefully that made someone smile. --- Sean Echevarria wrote: > Interesting concept! > > At 01:18 PM 2002/11/17, Evan Meyers wrote: > >i use a repeater with my ass. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 16:38:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07939; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:37:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:37:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:35:39 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: Boomerang/ bass amp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DD80BAB.A336F1C2@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20021117211854.3817.qmail@web40311.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I found I could never get the transient response when using my ass, so I switched to a Steinberger bass with EMGs. However, I still bring my ass to some gigs as it's useful in many respects. I find it's good for the LD list to. Mainly to talk out of. Mark Sottilaro Evan Meyers wrote: > i use a repeater with my ass. any amp should be fine, > just remember that if you are going direct into the > amp, that you are probably going a line level which is > pretty hot. > --- Jhsidlo@aol.com wrote: > > Can someone recommend a good bass amp that works > > well with the Boomerang? > > Probably has an effects send. There are loopers out > > there that use a > > Boomerang with a bass amp? > > > > > > Thanks, James > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 16:52:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08727; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:50:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:50:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021117214956.37468.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:49:56 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Boomerang/ bass amp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20021117132122.00aeaa10@mail.mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Never thought of it either.. but live it should be quite entertaining! > Interesting concept! > > At 01:18 PM 2002/11/17, Evan Meyers wrote: > >i use a repeater with my ass. > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 17:01:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10499; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:00:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:00:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021117215946.14565.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:59:46 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Is there a moderator here? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5624340A-FA56-11D6-940E-00039375AF3C@sonic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2I3U9D.A.tjC.wFB29@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark i agree with you man Cheers > > On Sunday, November 17, 2002, at 04:26 AM, Kim Flint > wrote: > > > "Is there a moderator here?" > > > > no there is not, and there never will be. > > > > It's up to the list as a community to sort out its > problems. Sometimes > > that will be a challenge. But if you all can't > manage to deal with a > > silly little issue like this, how do you manage to > get through each day > > of your life? > > > > kim > > > > The key thing here seems to be the concept of this > list as a > "self-policing" community. This works as long as the > community shares > some key values about appropriate actions and > behaviors. There can be a > wide range of latitude in this range, but still > enough consistency so > the "community" works and thrives. > > The problem we have is when someone on the list > falls well outside the > range of tolerable behavior. The rest of the list > has no truly > satisfactory method of dealing with the problem. > > I think it's fine we have an unmoderated list, This > allows wide range of > topics and opinions to be presented on LD. But when > we find a situation > where someone's broadcasting continual "white > noise", this is a problem. > > I wouldn't view removing input like this > "moderating", I'd view it as an > unfortunate exception to be dealt with. > > Mark > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 18:00:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13312; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:57:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:57:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.23.157] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boomerang/ bass amp Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 22:56:30 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2002 22:56:30.0868 (UTC) FILETIME=[9192D540:01C28E8C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey thanks! all this time I have been trying to get more interactive looping with my BASS and DL4, JamMan etc....using those "auxes schmauxes" Steve L. spoke so eloquently of...but after this last post I came to the conclusion I have been going about this all wrong (kinda ass-backwards, as the case might be!) ....one less thing to schlep to gigs, that's for sure. But, how can you get your ass to recieve CC commands? Max > > > > At 01:18 PM 2002/11/17, Evan Meyers wrote: > > >i use a repeater with my ass. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 18:00:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13226; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:56:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:56:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021117225538.3903.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 14:55:38 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Intro to Electronic Music (was Is there a moderator here?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002c01c28e6f$1cfaaea0$0558510c@anon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can recommend three samplers from Ellipsis Arts that might be of interest to ya: 1) "OHM: the early gurus of electronic music 1948-1980" (CD3670) is a three CD set that comes with a 96 page book. 2) "Orbitones, Spoon Harps & Bellowphones" (CD3610) and 3) "Gravikords, Whirlies & Pyrophones" (CD3630) each consist of a CD and a 96 page book about experimental musical instruments. They're not exhaustive, nor the last word, but they're certainly a good listen and an interesting read. -t- ps: I thought Miko was leaving already.... --- alex millar wrote: > what is the great music that I > should listen to? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 18:05:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15200; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:03:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:03:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: LinkTomlin@aol.com Message-ID: <16e.173b07ef.2b097a20@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:02:56 EST Subject: Re: Boomerang/ bass amp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_16e.173b07ef.2b097a20_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows UK sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_16e.173b07ef.2b097a20_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd get some ointment for that. > > > At 01:18 PM 2002/11/17, Evan Meyers wrote: > > > >i use a repeater with my ass. --part1_16e.173b07ef.2b097a20_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd get some ointment for that.

> > At 01:18 PM 2002/11/17, Evan Meyers wrote:
> > >i use a repeater with my ass.


 --part1_16e.173b07ef.2b097a20_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 18:10:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15613; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:09:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:09:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021117230852.6139.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:08:52 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Boomerang/ bass amp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20021117211854.3817.qmail@web40311.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm having an unpleasant, yet interestingly vivid mental image here involving twiddling the knobs with one's butt cheeks. Yikes. -t- --- Evan Meyers wrote: > i use a repeater with my ass __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 18:26:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16509; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:21:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:21:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c28e8f$95b1a4f0$e4981cd5@penthouseviert> From: "Jukka Andersson" To: References: <20021117225538.3903.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Intro to Electronic Music (was Is there a moderator here?) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 01:18:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have listened number 1 and 3 both very good.. .jukka ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 12:55 AM Subject: Re: Intro to Electronic Music (was Is there a moderator here?) > I can recommend three samplers from Ellipsis Arts that > might be of interest to ya: > > 1) "OHM: the early gurus of electronic music > 1948-1980" (CD3670) is a three CD set that comes with > a 96 page book. > 2) "Orbitones, Spoon Harps & Bellowphones" (CD3610) > and > 3) "Gravikords, Whirlies & Pyrophones" (CD3630) each > consist of a CD and a 96 page book about experimental > musical instruments. > > They're not exhaustive, nor the last word, but they're > certainly a good listen and an interesting read. > > -t- > > ps: I thought Miko was leaving already.... > > --- alex millar wrote: > > what is the great music that I > > should listen to? > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 19:15:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20072; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:13:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:13:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c28e97$54e513a0$14225a0c@u73x0> From: "Cino" To: References: <20021117225538.3903.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Intro to Electronic Music Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:13:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > --- alex millar wrote: > > what is the great music that I should listen to? Tim Nelson replied: > 1) "OHM: the early gurus of electronic music > 1948-1980" (CD3670) is a three CD set that comes with > a 96 page book. > 2) "Orbitones, Spoon Harps & Bellowphones" (CD3610) > 3) "Gravikords, Whirlies & Pyrophones" (CD3630) each > consist of a CD and a 96 page book about experimental > musical instruments. then Jukka seconded: > I have listened number 1 and 3 both very good.. and just to be Devil's Advocate I'll put in my two cents: Tim's recommendations #2 and 3 are both excellent compilations featuring extremely innovative, creative instrument builders and performers. They're not exclusively *electronic* but they are very much worth seeking out. I would also echo previous recommendations for the music of Brian Eno, especially his classic "Another Green World" and the more loop-centered "No Pussyfooting" and "Evening Star," both collaborations with Robert Fripp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 19:37:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20943; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:33:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:33:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c28e9b$86ac2960$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <20021117225538.3903.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> <001601c28e97$54e513a0$14225a0c@u73x0> Subject: Re: Intro to Electronic Music Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:43:34 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <3YZx6B.A.EHF.WVD29@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A little early Tangerine Dream must be part of Electronic Music 101. My personal recommendations are Phaedra and Rubycon. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 19:53:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21784; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:50:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:50:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:41:35 -0500 From: Sempai Subject: Re: [beyond_em] Radio Massacre Int'l live in Philadelphia To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <011a01c28e9c$6f585ee0$fe762544@user0jd9dje1rf> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <05be01c28cc2$92aab400$25e35cd1@LocalHost> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My alma mater!! Ahh...Penn Sempai ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Fox" To: "vintagesynthrepair" ; "The Ambient Way" ; ; "tadream mailing list" ; "oldsynth Mailing List" ; "Loopers Delight" ; "Bill fox mailinglist" ; "analog group" ; "AIMusic" ; "ElectronicMusic" Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 11:17 AM Subject: Fw: [beyond_em] Radio Massacre Int'l live in Philadelphia > Important news I felt compelled to cross post. --Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck van Zyl" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 2:54 AM > Subject: [beyond_em] Radio Massacre Int'l live in Philadelphia > > > > Following their appearance at The Gatherings Concert Series on > > Saturday 16 November 2002 at 8pm in the church sanctuary of > > St. Mary's Hamilton Village, 3916 Locust Walk on the Penn > > campus in Univesity City Philadelphia, PA, English based > > Spacemusic trio Radio Massacre International are scheduled to > > play on into the night on the STAR'S END broadcast of 11.17.02. > > Please tune in this week for live music by RMI and details on > > their visit to Philadelphia. > > > > STAR'S END is webcast live every week at: http://xpn.org > > > > - Below excerpted from from: www.progwest.com - > > > > "Fans of Klaus Schulze, Pink Floyd, Tangerine Dream, Lustmord > > and Ash Ra Tempel will find familiar elements within RMI's > > music - complex, gradually developing sequencer patterns, > > otherworldly atmospherics, analog synthesizers and soaring > > guitar work are all integral parts of their sound. As befits a > > musical outfit dedicated to improvisation and experimentation, > > the "style" of Radio Massacre International is somewhat > > amorphous; it develops from album to album, but always along > > a logical continuum. The first releases took their cues from the > > "Berlin school" of 1970s electronic music - the sequencer and > > analog synth-driven soundscapes. Later albums add other > > instruments and influences, giving the band's sound more depth > > and a more experimental character. Their shows are dominated > > by lengthy improvisations, ensuring that each RMI performance > > is unique and memorable...." > > > > For more on Radio Massacre International, access their STAR'S > > END Profile: http://www.starsend.org/rmi.html > > > > For more on the Radio Massacre International concert at The > > Gatherings Concert Series, access: > > http://www.thegatherings.org > > - > > STAR'S END broadcasts every Saturday night/Sunday morning > > from 1am-6am (EDST) on: > > > > 88.5fm WXPN Philadelphia, PA > > 88.1fm WXPH Harrisburg, PA > > 90.5fm Worton/Baltimore, MD > > 104.9fm Allentown, PA > > and live on the web... > > - > > Chuck van Zyl > > Host of STAR'S END Ambient Radio > > http://www.starsend.org > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 19:56:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22100; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:54:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:54:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:50:10 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Intro to Electronic Music To: Scott McGregor Moore , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008d01c28e9c$725af080$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20021117225538.3903.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> <001601c28e97$54e513a0$14225a0c@u73x0> <002701c28e9b$86ac2960$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Resent-Message-ID: <-xvWt.A.DZF.hoD29@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 7:43 PM Subject: Re: Intro to Electronic Music > A little early Tangerine Dream must be part of Electronic Music 101. > My personal recommendations are Phaedra and Rubycon. Check out Aqua by Edgar Froese from the same time period. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 21:18:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28815; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:17:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:17:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c28ea9$e22fdd00$7244510c@anon> From: "alex millar" To: References: <20021117225538.3903.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> <000f01c28e8f$95b1a4f0$e4981cd5@penthouseviert> Subject: Re: Intro to Electronic Music (was Is there a moderator here?) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:26:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <2TYiM.A.mBH.c2E29@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the suggestions. Where can I get these recordings? Ellipsis' are my favorite punctuation mark... They encourage continuation and imply the future... Is there anybody doing spoken word looping? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jukka Andersson" To: Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 3:18 PM Subject: Re: Intro to Electronic Music (was Is there a moderator here?) > I have listened number 1 and 3 both very good.. > > .jukka > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Nelson" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 12:55 AM > Subject: Re: Intro to Electronic Music (was Is there a moderator here?) > > > > I can recommend three samplers from Ellipsis Arts that > > might be of interest to ya: > > > > 1) "OHM: the early gurus of electronic music > > 1948-1980" (CD3670) is a three CD set that comes with > > a 96 page book. > > 2) "Orbitones, Spoon Harps & Bellowphones" (CD3610) > > and > > 3) "Gravikords, Whirlies & Pyrophones" (CD3630) each > > consist of a CD and a 96 page book about experimental > > musical instruments. > > > > They're not exhaustive, nor the last word, but they're > > certainly a good listen and an interesting read. > > > > -t- > > > > ps: I thought Miko was leaving already.... > > > > --- alex millar wrote: > > > what is the great music that I > > > should listen to? > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 17 22:59:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02458; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 22:58:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 22:58:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c801c28eb6$7c992ac0$7eca97c8@fuckinmachine> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: <62.28a3a4cd.2b07f004@aol.com> <002c01c28e80$45637820$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Subject: scofield on samplers and buttons Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 00:24:35 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C28E98.DF3411E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C28E98.DF3411E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.jazzreview.com/articledetails.cfm?ID=3D679 JazzReview: Yeah. That's an interesting point. I mean, did you recently = kind of sense the improvisational possibilities or was that always = apparent?=20 John Scofield: Well to tell you the truth, the improvisational abilities = are always there in any kind of music. You just blow. I think that it's = become easier to use samples. Yeah, and our band is different because we = start a sample up and then we play along in real time. It's not a = layered thing with some guys that come to a gig with computers and press = some buttons and that's it. The samples are part of a much bigger thing = than us playing our guitars and drums and whacking away, you know? So, = the sample's not going to improvise by itself, but we improvise along = with it and also when it gets turned on and off by Avi Bortnick; which = sample gets turned on; which effect he decides to use at that moment. = He's throwing that stuff in at the spur of the moment, you know. So, = it's great and I think Avi's gotten good at improvising with it; just = technically kind of using that instrument. He's got this system of foot = pedals (electronic effects units) and he plays guitar at the same time. = So he can like, step on a foot pedal that's controlling a sample, and = then throw it in and then speed it up or slow it down with another foot = pedal.all while he's playing guitar. He's gotten that so together that = it makes it possible for it to come into the music. The orchestration = possibilities with samples is so interesting.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C28E98.DF3411E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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JazzReview: Yeah. That's an interesting point. I mean, did you = recently kind of sense the improvisational possibilities or was that = always=20 apparent?=20

John Scofield: Well to tell you the truth, the improvisational = abilities are always there in any kind of music. You just blow. I think = that=20 it's become easier to use samples. Yeah, and our band is different = because we=20 start a sample up and then we play along in real time. It's not a = layered thing=20 with some guys that come to a gig with computers and press some buttons = and=20 that's it. The samples are part of a much bigger thing than us playing = our=20 guitars and drums and whacking away, you know? So, the sample's not = going to=20 improvise by itself, but we improvise along with it and also when it = gets turned=20 on and off by Avi Bortnick; which sample gets turned on; which effect he = decides=20 to use at that moment. He's throwing that stuff in at the spur of the = moment,=20 you know. So, it's great and I think Avi's gotten good at improvising = with it;=20 just technically kind of using that instrument. He's got this system of = foot=20 pedals (electronic effects units) and he plays guitar at the same time. = So he=20 can like, step on a foot pedal that's controlling a sample, and then = throw it in=20 and then speed it up or slow it down with another foot pedal=85all while = he's=20 playing guitar. He's gotten that so together that it makes it possible = for it to=20 come into the music. The orchestration possibilities with samples is so=20 interesting.

------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C28E98.DF3411E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 02:03:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16948; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 02:02:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 02:02:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 23:03:22 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Is there a moderator here? In-reply-to: <3DD7FCB2.45306447@zerocrossing.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <002c01c28e6f$1cfaaea0$0558510c@anon> <3DD7FCB2.45306447@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com alex millar wrote: what is the great music that I should listen to? At 12:31 PM -0800 11/17/02, Mark wrote: >I'd probably start with anything you can find from Brian Eno. I'd start about 50 or so years earlier than Eno and listen to the pioneers of electronic music, including Leon Theremin, Pierre Schafer and Pierre Henry, Louis and Bebe Barron, Karlheinz Stockhausen, Edgard Varese, Vladimir Ussachevsky and Otto Luening, John Cage and David Tudor, Morton Subotnick, Pauline Oliveros, Terry Riley, Steve Reich, Todd Dockstader, Luciano Berio, Mario Davidovsky, Milton Babbit, Luigi Nono, Iannis Xenakis, et al. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 03:03:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21326; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 03:02:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 03:02:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 23:59:22 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Electronic music (was Re: Is there a moderator here?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DD89DDA.649AC9B6@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <002c01c28e6f$1cfaaea0$0558510c@anon> <3DD7FCB2.45306447@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think I disagree with you Richard. Not that I think your list isn't great, I just think it's important to start with people that are more current (I should have also listed Boards of Canada and Radiohead, then Kraftwork and so on...) and relevant to what's happening today. Then you go back and find the root, when you have some context. No? When I've tried to go to the root of things without an understanding of what's happening, I find myself having a difficult time getting a fix sometimes. This happened to me with Indian Music. It didn't resonate with me at first. I then started getting dribs and drabs translated via George Harrison and other pop artists. The sound intrigued me, so then I went to the source and it made sense because I had some "bridge" between my culture's music and traditional Indian music. I'm not saying everyone's the same, but when digging, you start at the top of the hole, not the bottom. Of course, this analogy may make no sense at all. It's all good. Mark Sottilaro Richard Zvonar wrote: > alex millar wrote: > > what is the great music that I should listen to? > > At 12:31 PM -0800 11/17/02, Mark wrote: > > >I'd probably start with anything you can find from Brian Eno. > > I'd start about 50 or so years earlier than Eno and listen to the > pioneers of electronic music, including Leon Theremin, Pierre Schafer > and Pierre Henry, Louis and Bebe Barron, Karlheinz Stockhausen, > Edgard Varese, Vladimir Ussachevsky and Otto Luening, John Cage and > David Tudor, Morton Subotnick, Pauline Oliveros, Terry Riley, Steve > Reich, Todd Dockstader, Luciano Berio, Mario Davidovsky, Milton > Babbit, Luigi Nono, Iannis Xenakis, et al. > > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 09:46:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18001; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:41:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:41:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3DD6125E.5090507@wanadoo.fr> References: <3DD6125E.5090507@wanadoo.fr> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:34:18 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: Poor loopers-zoom 2100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com probably talking about the zoom 2100. they go in the 50-75$ range on ebay. i had one for a few weeks (used). it has a 32 sec sampler (which is the lo-fi mode)-it can have a 16 sec sample (higher rate). i thought the quality of both were good. it also has a 6 sec delay and a 10 sec delay, and then of course it has 3 sets of 5 sec samples. i thought the quality was good, effects were decent, but the problem w/ mine was having it used i found the "buttons" were not high quality-sometimes it worked when you hit it, other times it didn't--so not very accurate. plus the 5 sec samples relied on you keeping your foot on the button to activate. but the 16 and 32 sec sample section was nice at times (good for a low-cost long loop). my 2 cents... s--- >For our new italian Friend.. > >I spent an enjoyable noon discussing and eating with Kevin Cooney >recently (who was coming with his familiy on holidays in france and >Italy), and during the discussion he talked about a cheap Zoom >machine (unfortunately I don't remember which model exactly, but I'm >sure fellows here will do) that had a 30 seconds looper (or 3 * 8 >using the three switches of the pedal board), for next to nothing... > >It may be a way for you to start something (in my early days, >looping meant a 2 sec Art machine...), especially if you can step on >a second hand one... > > >Olivier malhomme -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 10:35:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23133; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:29:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:29:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: another NEW live gig MP3!!! Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:29:29 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Is there a moderator here? Thread-Index: AcKO0KuIPS9/8mnMSA6JJbxk9+WV+QARn20w From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2002 15:29:29.0468 (UTC) FILETIME=[492FBBC0:01C28F17] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA23109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi loopers!!, I played a new gig saturday nov 16 at the runcible spoon, a coffehouse of sorts in Bloomingon, IN. It was a pretty fun show as I got to try some new sounds and gear too. Well, it was small and cozy show.I recorded it with a sm57 beta mic into a vs880,so its mono kind of,just one track.I played guitar and guitar loops done on the fly.My gear setup was a Marshall jtm30 tube combo amp, 1 boomerang pedalboard, a digitech gx50 fx unit (have you seen those, they are like $69 haha, prety cool,tiny pedal!!).Well, You can hear an mp3 of some of the show at http://www.dtguitar.com/spoonnov16.mp3 or just by vitising my site at http://www.dtguitar.com and click on the link on the home page.Yeah this was a fun show, so I got to try some really diffreent soudns and things. Well, any comments, I would be happy to hear. thanks Denis Denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com - From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 11:00:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24610; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:56:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:56:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: another NEW live gig MP3!!! Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:56:38 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <004001c28f1b$145ea0b0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > comments, I would be happy to hear. > thanks > Denis Great clips Denis! It's so nice to hear a musician that has the guts to let the music come through without killing it by trying to perform certain things (especially since this is guitar music ;-) You seem to be playing with both fingers and ears - makes wish I was there to listen. Cheers Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 11:09:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27009; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:06:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:06:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: another NEW live gig MP3!!! Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:05:21 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: another NEW live gig MP3!!! Thread-Index: AcKPG2lbjmuhuLATRRa59JWE5yHFsQAAIWFw From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2002 16:05:22.0444 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C75CCC0:01C28F1C] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA26951 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi , hey thanks very much, well I actually used 5 fingers instead of two, but hey who is counting!! 8-)heh....Well, thanks though...yeah it was much fun, well I got a kick out of this tiny pedal called a digiteh rp50 for $69, so cool, haha, geez, has 8 effects and drum machine and it is jsut tiny, I used it for a litlle chorusing and delay mostly!!! wow it is so cheap though and sounds good Denis 8-) - You seem to be playing with both fingers and ears - makes wish I was there to listen. Cheers Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 11:10:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27166; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:07:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:07:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:07:06 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: pioneers of electronic music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <011901c28f1c$8a9e1f70$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <002c01c28e6f$1cfaaea0$0558510c@anon> <3DD7FCB2.45306447@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com seemed strange to call this thread "Is there a moderator here?" anyway, you forgot raymond scott... >... > > >I'd probably start with anything you can find from Brian Eno. > > I'd start about 50 or so years earlier than Eno and listen to the > pioneers of electronic music, including Leon Theremin, Pierre Schafer > and Pierre Henry, Louis and Bebe Barron, Karlheinz Stockhausen, > Edgard Varese, Vladimir Ussachevsky and Otto Luening, John Cage and > David Tudor, Morton Subotnick, Pauline Oliveros, Terry Riley, Steve > Reich, Todd Dockstader, Luciano Berio, Mario Davidovsky, Milton > Babbit, Luigi Nono, Iannis Xenakis, et al. > > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 11:32:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29249; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:30:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:30:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:30:09 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: another NEW live gig MP3!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <019901c28f1f$c37c0c00$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <004001c28f1b$145ea0b0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Resent-Message-ID: <6VgRxB.A.YIH.TWR29@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow, i've heard of playing with teeth, but not playing with ear... excellent stuff, denis... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 9:56 AM Subject: SV: another NEW live gig MP3!!! > > comments, I would be happy to hear. > > thanks > > Denis > > Great clips Denis! It's so nice to hear a musician that has the guts to > let the music come through without killing it by trying to perform > certain things (especially since this is guitar music ;-) You seem to > be playing with both fingers and ears - makes wish I was there to > listen. > > Cheers > > Per Boysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 11:41:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29684; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:38:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:38:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: pioneers of electronic music Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:38:26 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: pioneers of electronic music Thread-Index: AcKPHT1h8EKjOlDSRzm+4E4U14x1/wAA5ykg From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2002 16:38:26.0797 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB3A09D0:01C28F20] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA29652 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com klaus shultz......... Subject: Re: pioneers of electronic music seemed strange to call this thread "Is there a moderator here?" anyway, you forgot raymond scott... >... > > >I'd probably start with anything you can find from Brian Eno. > > I'd start about 50 or so years earlier than Eno and listen to the > pioneers of electronic music, including Leon Theremin, Pierre Schafer > and Pierre Henry, Louis and Bebe Barron, Karlheinz Stockhausen, > Edgard Varese, Vladimir Ussachevsky and Otto Luening, John Cage and > David Tudor, Morton Subotnick, Pauline Oliveros, Terry Riley, Steve > Reich, Todd Dockstader, Luciano Berio, Mario Davidovsky, Milton > Babbit, Luigi Nono, Iannis Xenakis, et al. > > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 12:04:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30480; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:56:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:56:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <182.12127018.2b0a750a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:53:30 EST Subject: Re: pioneers of electronic music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA30443 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo! How bout James Tenney, one of the American composers who worked at Bell Labs from '61 to '64. Though not a common houshold word, he's one of my own personal favorites. Anybody who could conceive of rerecording Elvis' "Blue Suede Shoes" to a huge stack of IBM punch cards and reshuffling them to create a new piece of musique concrete in 1961 is cool in my book. tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 12:50:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03353; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:49:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:49:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021118174821.75034.qmail@web40307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:48:21 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: Boomerang/ bass amp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20021117214956.37468.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm a big fan of theatrics with music and believe me, you haven't seen a performance until you've seen someone loop with their ass. i have video footage for those interested... jimi played with his teeth and behind his back, but never with his cheeks! --- Louie Angulo wrote: > > Never thought of it either.. but live it should be > quite entertaining! > > > > > Interesting concept! > > > > At 01:18 PM 2002/11/17, Evan Meyers wrote: > > >i use a repeater with my ass. > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 12:53:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03637; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:52:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:52:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:50:17 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: pioneers of electronic music In-reply-to: <011901c28f1c$8a9e1f70$080210ac@jpalmer> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <002c01c28e6f$1cfaaea0$0558510c@anon> <3DD7FCB2.45306447@zerocrossing.net> <011901c28f1c$8a9e1f70$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:07 AM -0600 11/18/02, jim palmer wrote: >seemed strange to call this thread "Is there a moderator here?" >anyway, you forgot raymond scott... Raymond Scott was not particularly influential. In fact, I never heard of him until just recently. Scott was certainly a pioneer, but he was so secretive about his inventions that very few people knew about them. A notable exception was Bob Moog, but even then Bob cites Don Buchla for giving him the idea for a step sequencer, even though Scott had invented one years before. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 12:54:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03636; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:52:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:52:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:47:23 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Electronic music (was Re: Is there a moderator here?) In-reply-to: <3DD89DDA.649AC9B6@zerocrossing.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1 References: <002c01c28e6f$1cfaaea0$0558510c@anon> <3DD7FCB2.45306447@zerocrossing.net> <3DD89DDA.649AC9B6@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA03576 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:59 PM -0800 11/17/02, Mark wrote: >I think I disagree with you Richard. Not that I think your list isn't >great, I just think it's important to start with people that are more >current ..Then you go back and find the root, when you have some >context. No? When I've tried to go to the root of things without >an understanding of what's >happening, I find myself having a difficult time getting a fix sometimes. De gustibus non est desputandum. My own taste in research is to go immediately for the root as soon as I'm aware of its existence. Sometimes one discovers these roots through references from more familiar artists, as I learned of Varèse from a quotation on the first Mothers album and I learned of Stockhausen from a mention on the second Who album. Once I knew that Stockhausen existed I immediately bought the DDG album containing "Gesang der Jünglinge" and "Kontakte" and WHAM! I was hooked. It was 1966. I was 20 years old at the time and playing in a folk rock band. There simply wasn't any contemporary "mainstream" electronic music at the time. Similarly when I first became conscious of Indian music through George Harrison's use of the sitar on Norwegian Wood I immediately bought a couple of Ravi Shankar albums and listened to them over and over. It really wasn't that much of a stretch, as long as I kept my ears open (unlike my stepfather, who on hearing one of my raga records during a visit home for the holidays, referred to Sharkar as "Johnny One-Note"). But again, "De gustibus..." While I think that most of us have absorbed, at least subliminally, such a variety of musical sounds and styles throughout our lives that nothing we hear can be truly that surprising, perhaps many people are too set in their musical tastes to plunge headfirst into the abyss. I admit that it took me a while to hear blues as more than primitive three-chord vamping. All I was hearing was the surface. And I didn't have a true appreciation for African music until I actually learned to play it from a Ghanaian master drummer. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 13:16:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06268; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:12:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:12:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009501c28f2e$71def560$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <002c01c28e6f$1cfaaea0$0558510c@anon> <3DD7FCB2.45306447@zerocrossing.net> <011901c28f1c$8a9e1f70$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: pioneers of electronic music Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:15:13 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <3L0C3.A.WhB.F2S29@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 17:50:PM Subject: Re: pioneers of electronic music > At 10:07 AM -0600 11/18/02, jim palmer wrote: > >seemed strange to call this thread "Is there a moderator here?" > >anyway, you forgot raymond scott... > > Raymond Scott was not particularly influential. In fact, I never > heard of him until just recently. Scott was certainly a pioneer, but > he was so secretive about his inventions that very few people knew > about them. A notable exception was Bob Moog, but even then Bob cites > Don Buchla for giving him the idea for a step sequencer, even though > Scott had invented one years before. > -- Yipes, Doc. Raymond Scott created probably the first step sequencer. Bob Moog worked with him. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 13:24:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07465; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:21:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:21:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c28f2f$76f1fb00$ebf0abd4@tin.it> From: "Amleto" To: Subject: Original ac adaptors Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:22:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <6zP_QD.A.d0B.h-S29@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear friends, my rc-20 is arrived, i will have it tomorrow! I have a question about ac adaptor: roland as any other company wanrs a lot to not use any other ac adaptor than the indicated. So i have a mystic fear to buy an universal one that indeed costs 1\4 or less than the original... Do you know if there is a way to understand if an universal one can be safe, or i have to fear my rc20 explodes every time i use it? To make this fear disappear i could pay the original, but i don't want to let roland win on their supersticious terrorism... I think that respecting the 230v, the dc 9v, the 50hz, the 200ma i could use an universal one. What do you think? I know, this is the abc, but i am at the abc, sorry! I just have to understand if my universal that is 1200 ma is good. I remember that ma can be more, but never less, is it true? And also, in the original adaptor, psa-120, there is something like "8va sec", or "8va" and "sec" is something different (i got this information by telephone). What is it for this 8va and has it to be written also on the universal one? I have an universal with all the caracteristics less this 8va (and sec) and plus a 1200 ma insteed of 200. Now, the problem is that if i order the original adaptor now i can pay it 25 euro and not 33. So... Ciao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 13:30:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07859; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:25:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:25:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: theweg@netzero.com X-Original-From: theweg@netzero.com Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:22:45 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:another NEW live gig MP3!!! X-Mailer: NetZero WebMail Version 1.0 Message-Id: <20021118.102338.24517.22556@webmail03.lax.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3HZxZ.A.L6B.xBT29@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Denis, Sounds great coming accross my laptop, keep up the good stuff! weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 13:40:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08619; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:32:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:32:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:00:02 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: pioneers of electronic music In-reply-to: <182.12127018.2b0a750a@aol.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <182.12127018.2b0a750a@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:53 AM -0500 11/18/02, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: >How bout James Tenney, one of the American composers who worked >at Bell Labs from '61 to '64. Though not a common houshold word, >he's one of my own personal favorites. Anybody who could conceive >of rerecording Elvis' "Blue Suede Shoes" to a huge stack of IBM punch >cards and reshuffling them to create a new piece of musique concrete >in 1961 is cool in my book. Jim is amazing! Unfortunately he was little-known outside a small circle of dedicated new music practitioners, largely through a lack of recordings. Jim's electronic oeuvre was rather small, though highly original. A CD collection of electronic (and player piano) works is available on Artifact Recordings ART 1007. I was fortunate to take a class in computer music with Jim at UC Santa Cruz in 1976. This at least partly made up for the fact that during his Bell Labs residency I was living less than a mile away, completely unaware of that computer music was being invented just up the street. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 13:43:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08802; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:35:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:35:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c28f31$6acbb620$ebf0abd4@tin.it> From: "Amleto" To: Subject: Roland mc-09 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:36:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey!!! I founf out thins in internet, i know you know yet, but for me it's new! It seems to be exactely what i was looking for, i can control 4 loops separately, if i understood well, plus sintetizer sounds that are welcome, and others, and should costs not so much!!! But it has not a mic in, just an aux in. Maybe i could use it for a mic, direct or through a mixer... Does anybody know if this apparently wonderful machine has got some negative because of what i should prefer the rc20 on it (remembering to all my needs to record and loop voice in real time and to control as more as possible every part of the loop... I don't understand if the mc-09 can really control in real time sound or if boss rc-20 should be better at least for this...) Again, thanks till now... Can I say that Miko seems to me a good boy? And that if a simple fuck you (that, well, i don't know from your point of you, but fhere in italy it seems that on breath yes one not each american says it) caused in the others all this wide range of bad emotion from the smoother ones to rage and hate, well, maybe it was just a catalizer. If someone is calm i think that would never consider that so negative... But i'm new, i don't know anything about past similar experiences, and maybe i should not talk so to you so soon... I hope you will not offended, but i just think that the more a person is sane, clever and in a position that he really could trow the first stone (jesus...), the more he doesn't find any reason to trow it. Never. I don't know why it happens, but i noticed it several times. Clever people never get hungry and also has got the power to clean other people hunger... Ciao to all, and remember, to hate racist people is a way to be racist... Sergio From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 14:25:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12967; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:18:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:18:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:17:36 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: pioneers of electronic music In-reply-to: <009501c28f2e$71def560$0201a8c0@eluk> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1174475298==_ma============" References: <002c01c28e6f$1cfaaea0$0558510c@anon> <3DD7FCB2.45306447@zerocrossing.net> <011901c28f1c$8a9e1f70$080210ac@jpalmer> <009501c28f2e$71def560$0201a8c0@eluk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1174475298==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 6:15 PM +0000 11/18/02, S.P. Goodman wrote: > > Raymond Scott was not particularly influential. In fact, I never >> heard of him until just recently. Scott was certainly a pioneer, but >> he was so secretive about his inventions that very few people knew >> about them. A notable exception was Bob Moog, but even then Bob cites >> Don Buchla for giving him the idea for a step sequencer, even though >> Scott had invented one years before. >> -- > >Yipes, Doc. Raymond Scott created probably the first step sequencer. Bob >Moog worked with him. Well, isn't that what I said? (see above) Scott invented a lot of things but kept his light under a bushel. And as I also said (above) when Bob Moog was asked about his development of the Moog step sequencer module, he said "Oh, I copped that idea from Don Buchla." I heard him say it. He never mentioned Raymond Scott, though he did indeed spend some time with Scott in the late 1950s. Here's what Moog has to say about squencers, as quoted in the wonderful book "Manhatten Research, Inc." about Raymond Scott: Irvin Chusid: Scott credits you with coining the term "sequencer." Is that true? Bob Moog: I don't think so. The first sequencer [by name] I can remember Buchla came out with. I knew about it around 1967, but Buchla had developed it two or three years before. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1174475298==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: pioneers of electronic music
At 6:15 PM +0000 11/18/02, S.P. Goodman wrote:
> Raymond Scott was not particularly influential. In fact, I never
> heard of him until just recently. Scott was certainly a pioneer, but
> he was so secretive about his inventions that very few people knew
> about them. A notable exception was Bob Moog, but even then Bob cites
> Don Buchla for giving him the idea for a step sequencer, even though
> Scott had invented one years before.
> --

Yipes, Doc.  Raymond Scott created probably the first step sequencer.  Bob
Moog worked with him.

Well, isn't that what I said? (see above) Scott invented a lot of things but kept his light under a bushel. And as I also said (above) when Bob Moog was asked about his development of the Moog step sequencer module, he said "Oh, I copped that idea from Don Buchla." I heard him say it. He never mentioned Raymond Scott, though he did indeed spend some time with Scott in the late 1950s.

Here's what Moog has to say about squencers, as quoted in the wonderful book "Manhatten Research, Inc." about Raymond Scott:

Irvin Chusid: Scott credits you with coining the term "sequencer." Is that true?

Bob Moog: I don't think so. The first sequencer [by name] I can remember Buchla came out with. I knew about it around 1967, but Buchla had developed it two or three years before.
--

______________________________________________________________
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http://www.zvonar.com
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--============_-1174475298==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 14:33:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14096; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:32:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:32:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DD94164.6443E931@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:37:08 -0600 From: Kirby Shelstad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pioneers of electronic music References: <002c01c28e6f$1cfaaea0$0558510c@anon> <3DD7FCB2.45306447@zerocrossing.net> <011901c28f1c$8a9e1f70$080210ac@jpalmer> <009501c28f2e$71def560$0201a8c0@eluk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------24692E7E1E5CFE1376AA81F9" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------24692E7E1E5CFE1376AA81F9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was fortunate to have had acess to a Buchla sequencer in college. It was the coolest thing. 8 ocillators that you could sequence in different ways with patch-cords all over the place. Don's Lightning instrument is one of the coolest things out there right now. Brilliant guy. http://WWW.BUCHLA.COM/lightning/index.html http://WWW.BUCHLA.COM/historical/index.html k Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 6:15 PM +0000 11/18/02, S.P. Goodman wrote: > >> > Raymond Scott was not particularly influential. In fact, I never >> > heard of him until just recently. Scott was certainly a pioneer, >> but >> > he was so secretive about his inventions that very few people knew >> >> > about them. A notable exception was Bob Moog, but even then Bob >> cites >> > Don Buchla for giving him the idea for a step sequencer, even >> though >> > Scott had invented one years before. >> > -- > >> > >> Yipes, Doc. Raymond Scott created probably the first step >> sequencer. Bob > >> Moog worked with him. > > Well, isn't that what I said? (see above) Scott invented a lot of > things but kept his light under a bushel. And as I also said (above) > when Bob Moog was asked about his development of the Moog step > sequencer module, he said "Oh, I copped that idea from Don Buchla." I > heard him say it. He never mentioned Raymond Scott, though he did > indeed spend some time with Scott in the late 1950s. Here's what Moog > has to say about squencers, as quoted in the wonderful book "Manhatten > Research, Inc." about Raymond Scott: > > Irvin Chusid: Scott credits you with coining the term > "sequencer." Is that true? > > > > Bob Moog: I don't think so. The first sequencer [by name] I > can remember Buchla came out with. I knew about it around > 1967, but Buchla had developed it two or three years before. > > -- > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com --------------24692E7E1E5CFE1376AA81F9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was fortunate to have had acess to a Buchla sequencer in college. It was the coolest thing. 8 ocillators that you could sequence in different ways with patch-cords all over the place.

Don's Lightning instrument is one of the coolest things out there right now. Brilliant guy.

http://WWW.BUCHLA.COM/lightning/index.html

http://WWW.BUCHLA.COM/historical/index.html

k
 

Richard Zvonar wrote:

At 6:15 PM +0000 11/18/02, S.P. Goodman wrote:
> Raymond Scott was not particularly influential. In fact, I never
> heard of him until just recently. Scott was certainly a pioneer, but
> he was so secretive about his inventions that very few people knew
> about them. A notable exception was Bob Moog, but even then Bob cites
> Don Buchla for giving him the idea for a step sequencer, even though
> Scott had invented one years before.
> --
 
Yipes, Doc.  Raymond Scott created probably the first step sequencer.  Bob
Moog worked with him.
 Well, isn't that what I said? (see above) Scott invented a lot of things but kept his light under a bushel. And as I also said (above) when Bob Moog was asked about his development of the Moog step sequencer module, he said "Oh, I copped that idea from Don Buchla." I heard him say it. He never mentioned Raymond Scott, though he did indeed spend some time with Scott in the late 1950s. Here's what Moog has to say about squencers, as quoted in the wonderful book "Manhatten Research, Inc." about Raymond Scott: 
Irvin Chusid: Scott credits you with coining the term "sequencer." Is that true?
 
Bob Moog: I don't think so. The first sequencer [by name] I can remember Buchla came out with. I knew about it around 1967, but Buchla had developed it two or three years before.
--
 
______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD
(818) 788-2202
http://www.zvonar.com
http://RZCybernetics.com
--------------24692E7E1E5CFE1376AA81F9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 15:10:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18158; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:05:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:05:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:03:35 EST Subject: Buchla To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_fb.304cd6bb.2b0aa197_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 8.0 for Windows US sub 230 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_fb.304cd6bb.2b0aa197_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/18/02 2:33:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 kirbyshelstad@mindspring.com writes: > was fortunate to have had acess to a Buchla sequencer in college. Bein' that I am from Philadelphia, it is certain that whenever I even think=20 of a Buchla, that I immediately start thinkin' about this man here & his wor= k=20 : http://www.starsend.org/cc= ohen.html ; & also go here : http://www.users.voicenet.com/~ccohen/ Warmest Regards, John Price / "AKASH" The World's Most Erotic Band=A0=20 http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic http://groups.= yahoo.com/group/akashmusicnewsgroup "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" --part1_fb.304cd6bb.2b0aa197_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/18/02 2:33:17 PM Eastern Standar= d Time, kirbyshelstad@mindspring.com writes:

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Bein' that I am from Philadelphia, it is certain that whenever I even think=20= of a Buchla, that I immediately start thinkin' about this man here & his= work : http://www.starsend.= org/ccohen.html ; & also go here : http://www.users.voicenet.com/~ccohen/ Warmest Regards,
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 --part1_fb.304cd6bb.2b0aa197_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 15:34:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19317; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:24:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:24:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021118202350.24803.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:23:50 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Intro to Electronic Music (was Is there a moderator here?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003901c28ea9$e22fdd00$7244510c@anon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I haven't heard any spoken word stuff, but I noticed that nobody had mentioned the beautiful music that David Torn does, often using loops. I can think of few better introductions to the use of this type technology in a very musical way. Greg --- alex millar wrote: > Thanks for the suggestions. Where can I get these recordings? Ellipsis' are > my favorite punctuation mark... They encourage continuation and imply the > future... > > Is there anybody doing spoken word looping? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jukka Andersson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 3:18 PM > Subject: Re: Intro to Electronic Music (was Is there a moderator here?) > > > > I have listened number 1 and 3 both very good.. > > > > .jukka > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tim Nelson" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 12:55 AM > > Subject: Re: Intro to Electronic Music (was Is there a moderator here?) > > > > > > > I can recommend three samplers from Ellipsis Arts that > > > might be of interest to ya: > > > > > > 1) "OHM: the early gurus of electronic music > > > 1948-1980" (CD3670) is a three CD set that comes with > > > a 96 page book. > > > 2) "Orbitones, Spoon Harps & Bellowphones" (CD3610) > > > and > > > 3) "Gravikords, Whirlies & Pyrophones" (CD3630) each > > > consist of a CD and a 96 page book about experimental > > > musical instruments. > > > > > > They're not exhaustive, nor the last word, but they're > > > certainly a good listen and an interesting read. > > > > > > -t- > > > > > > ps: I thought Miko was leaving already.... > > > > > > --- alex millar wrote: > > > > what is the great music that I > > > > should listen to? > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > > > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 15:50:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20443; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:47:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:47:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <7e.313f8b1f.2b0aabc2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:46:58 EST Subject: Re: pioneers of electronic music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA20421 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dr. Richard, In a message dated 11/18/02 10:33:01 AM, zvonar@zvonar.com writes: >Jim's electronic oeuvre was rather small, though highly original. A >CD collection of electronic (and player piano) works is available on >Artifact Recordings ART 1007. This is the CD I have too. It was a review copy I was given (by Rodney Oakes) to write a review of in Journal SEAMUS back in '92. I am ashamed to say that I never got around to writing that review . . . I just hung on to and enjoyed the CD over the past 10 years. I'm now too embarrassed about it to even talk to Rodney . . . or anyone else at SEAMUS for that matter. Ah, the stupid things I do. Oh well . . . and people wonder why I am so "hard on myself." Heheheh. In a word: idiocy. tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 16:33:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24893; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:33:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:33:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:32:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: RE: off topic : carvin pick up wiring instructions... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:23 PM -0800 11/16/02, MIKO wrote: >Fuck you. Clearly MIKO wants to be booted from the list and probably should be. How very sad. /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 17:19:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28730; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:15:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:15:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021118221445.30693.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:14:45 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: rc-20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006101c28d0c$cf84b520$6bf0abd4@tin.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Amleto wrote: > So, maybe the rc 20 is as the repeater, but 10 loops means not that all ten > play togheter, but that you can have ten position for presaved loops and on > each one you can overdub, but that if you pass from one to the other you > play only the one on wich you are now? > I mean: if you have just time without positions you can't control sounds > (layers? phrase? loops, overdubs?) each from the other separately. Maybe > with and undo you could undo the last one and stop. If i read that rc2o has > got 10 loops, and I NEVER LOOPED before, nor i am a musician nor i have any > idea on anything of this world you are so in, i just imagine that the ten > positions are like ten bottles: you can fill or empty them separately. > Alias, i could overdub as much as i want (till 5,5min) on each loop, they > ten play all togheter, but i can control the time and volume and reverse of > the selected one. Also, i can delete the selected one while the other nime > still play. IS IT SO???????? If I understand what you're saying correctly, the answer would be no. While the RC-20 can save 10 loops, it can only play one at a time. > Because i am putting togheter pieces of puzzle and i'm thinking to > understand that it is not so, that the ten memories are like ten > radiostation, and if i select one i listen only that one. Yes, that's exactly how it is. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 17:27:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29343; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:23:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:23:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:21:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Buchla Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Bein' that I am from Philadelphia, it is certain that whenever I >even think of a Buchla, that I immediately start thinkin' about this >man here & his work : >http://www.starsend.org/ccohen.html >; & also go here : >http://www.users.voicenet.com/~ccohen/ >Warmest Regards, I played with Charles Cohen and he is amazing. You can hear the results at: http://www.tomritchford.com/music/ /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 18:02:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00517; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:59:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:59:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021118225813.76407.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:58:13 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Loop stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20021118202350.24803.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <4UGYvB.A.xvH.lCX29@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes David Thorns stuff is quite unique i just got 3 of his Splattercell cds which i highly recomend they ve been enhanced with Acid software,cool eh? By the way i am curious how Ableton differs from Acid haven´t had the chance to try it- thanx L.a > I haven't heard any spoken word stuff, but I noticed > that nobody had mentioned > the beautiful music that David Torn does, often > using loops. I can think of few > better introductions to the use of this type > technology in a very musical way. > > Greg > > --- alex millar wrote: > > Thanks for the suggestions. Where can I get these > recordings? Ellipsis' are > > my favorite punctuation mark... They encourage > continuation and imply the > > future... > > > > Is there anybody doing spoken word looping? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jukka Andersson" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 3:18 PM > > Subject: Re: Intro to Electronic Music (was Is > there a moderator here?) > > > > > > > I have listened number 1 and 3 both very good.. > > > > > > .jukka > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Tim Nelson" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 12:55 AM > > > Subject: Re: Intro to Electronic Music (was Is > there a moderator here?) > > > > > > > > > > I can recommend three samplers from Ellipsis > Arts that > > > > might be of interest to ya: > > > > > > > > 1) "OHM: the early gurus of electronic music > > > > 1948-1980" (CD3670) is a three CD set that > comes with > > > > a 96 page book. > > > > 2) "Orbitones, Spoon Harps & Bellowphones" > (CD3610) > > > > and > > > > 3) "Gravikords, Whirlies & Pyrophones" > (CD3630) each > > > > consist of a CD and a 96 page book about > experimental > > > > musical instruments. > > > > > > > > They're not exhaustive, nor the last word, but > they're > > > > certainly a good listen and an interesting > read. > > > > > > > > -t- > > > > > > > > ps: I thought Miko was leaving already.... > > > > > > > > --- alex millar > wrote: > > > > > what is the great music that I > > > > > should listen to? > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your > site > > > > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 18:04:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00848; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:04:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:04:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:03:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200211181803.AA1294139696@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Boomerang/ bass amp X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <3PcYKD.A.jM.NHX29@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have only ever used the Boomerang with a bass amp. I've used it with both a GK 800RB and a Hartke 110 combo. I've used it in both the effects send and inline with my bass. In regards to the "colouring" that you mentioned before, the 'rang will tend to colour your sound because it uses a lower sampling rate and bit depth than most of the other loopers. Since I'm usually using my 'rang in combinations with other effects that colour my sound, it never really bothered me that much. If you are going straight from your bass to the rang to the amp and disappointed with the sound quality, you might want to consider the headrush or DL4, which both have much higher fidelities. For sound quality, I think that the Akai is the best, but the DL4 has most of features that you get on V1 Boomerang, plus a bunch of extra delay ones. Speaking of which, I still need to upgrade my rang, any news on how long that takes round trip to texas these days? Kevin ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:10:14 EST > Can someone recommend a good bass amp that works well with the Boomerang? >Probably has an effects send. There are loopers out there that use a >Boomerang with a bass amp? > > > Thanks, James > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 18:15:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01397; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:13:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:13:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021118231202.1956.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:12:02 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: pioneers of electronic music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <009501c28f2e$71def560$0201a8c0@eluk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another guy worth checking out is Luigi Archetti a Swiss italian doing loops with the original Aurisis Loop delay (now the EDP and by the way Matthias the old logo looked excellent!) i spoke to him a few months ago here in Germany and he did some really cool and spooky deconstruction stuff all in sync with apocalyptic and strange images.Seems to fit the times :-() here it is: http://www.hulu.de/ cheers L.a > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Zvonar" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 17:50:PM > Subject: Re: pioneers of electronic music > > > > At 10:07 AM -0600 11/18/02, jim palmer wrote: > > >seemed strange to call this thread "Is there a > moderator here?" > > >anyway, you forgot raymond scott... > > > > Raymond Scott was not particularly influential. In > fact, I never > > heard of him until just recently. Scott was > certainly a pioneer, but > > he was so secretive about his inventions that very > few people knew > > about them. A notable exception was Bob Moog, but > even then Bob cites > > Don Buchla for giving him the idea for a step > sequencer, even though > > Scott had invented one years before. > > -- > > Yipes, Doc. Raymond Scott created probably the > first step sequencer. Bob > Moog worked with him. > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 18:25:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02175; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:25:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:25:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: LinkTomlin@aol.com Message-ID: <17d.12182ec3.2b0ad085@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:23:49 EST Subject: Re: Loop stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_17d.12182ec3.2b0ad085_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows UK sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_17d.12182ec3.2b0ad085_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Live differs from Acid in that can be used to remix\sample live input and=20 trigger "clips" on the fly as opposed to Acid's more paint\arrange style of=20 working. Live is considered a live sequencing instrument by it's authors,=20 Acid is more a linear way of working. If your setup is up to the job you can feed live input into Live, process it= =20 with VST effects, pass it through while triggering pre-set clips or even=20 record the live input into new clips for triggering themselves. In the context of what I think most people are after around here with regard= =20 looping, Acid at the moment falls a tiiiiny bit short as it was designed mor= e=20 with DJ's in mind re the live input. But it is workable, I use it with an=20 FCB1010 and with some routing it's possible to use it for looping live if=20 your hardware\drivers are up to scratch. Pretty much everything is easily=20 assignable for MIDI control. The imminent V2 of Live has a number of nice new features that will open it=20 up for more abuse in this area. A number of people have been asking Ableton=20 for certain functions and they have taken quite a number of them onboard.=20 Things like tap-tempo and resampling in a slightly different way than is=20 possible at present. On the face of it, it's easy to think Live and Acid are covering the same=20 territory but when you start messing with it you realise they are actually=20 very different in concept from a performance poibnt of view. Hope this helps. Link By the way, Live v2 is out next month some time and I personally can't wait. In a message dated 18/11/2002 22:59:31 GMT Standard Time,=20 laab2000us@yahoo.com writes:
Yes David Thorns stuff is quite un= ique i just got 3 of > his Splattercell cds which i highly recomend they ve > been enhanced with Acid software,cool eh? > By the way i am curious how Ableton differs from Acid > haven=B4t had the chance to try it- > thanx > L.a >=20 --part1_17d.12182ec3.2b0ad085_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Live differs from Acid in that can be used to remix\sample live i= nput and trigger "clips" on the fly as opposed to Acid's more paint\arrange=20= style of working. Live is considered a live sequencing instrument by it's au= thors, Acid is more a linear way of working.

If your setup is up to the job you can feed live input into Live, process it= with VST effects, pass it through while triggering pre-set clips or even re= cord the live input into new clips for triggering themselves.

In the context of what I think most people are after around here with regard= looping, Acid at the moment falls a tiiiiny bit short as it was designed mo= re with DJ's in mind re the live input. But it is workable, I use it with an= FCB1010 and with some routing it's possible to use it for looping live if y= our hardware\drivers are up to scratch. Pretty much everything is easily ass= ignable for MIDI control.

The imminent V2 of Live has a number of nice new features that will open it=20= up for more abuse in this area. A number of people have been asking Ableton=20= for certain functions and they have taken quite a number of them onboard. Th= ings like tap-tempo and resampling in a slightly different way than is possi= ble at present.

On the face of it, it's easy to think Live and Acid are covering the same te= rritory but when you start messing with it you realise they are actually ver= y different in concept from a performance poibnt of view.

Hope this helps.

Link

By the way, Live v2 is out next month some time and I personally can't wait.=

In a message dated 18/11/2002 22:59:31 GMT Standard Time, laab2000us@yahoo.c= om writes:


Yes David Thorns stuff is quite= unique i just got 3 of
his Splattercell cds which i highly recomend they ve
been enhanced with Acid software,cool eh?
By the way i am curious how Ableton differs from Acid
haven=B4t had the chance to try it-
thanx
L.a


 --part1_17d.12182ec3.2b0ad085_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 18:35:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02686; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:30:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:30:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: LinkTomlin@aol.com Message-ID: <156.179c6075.2b0ad1da@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:29:30 EST Subject: Re: pioneers of electronic music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_156.179c6075.2b0ad1da_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows UK sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_156.179c6075.2b0ad1da_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someone who blows my mind and who I think of as a not often mentioned "looper" is Raymond Scott. The guy was designing hardware from such things as telephone relays and constructing rythmic and melodic loops going back to the 40's. Most people only ever cite a few tunes he did that happened to get used in cartoons, not that he was happy about this, or maybe his jazz successes in the 30's. Sooting sounds for babies are amazing collections of ideas for their time (early 60's). Even from the title you kind of get the hint that Eno may have heard them huh? if you're not up on the guy, check out this genius on www.raymondscott.com Link --part1_156.179c6075.2b0ad1da_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someone who blows my mind and who I think of as a not often mentioned "looper" is Raymond Scott. The guy was designing hardware from such things as telephone relays and constructing rythmic and melodic loops going back to the 40's.

Most people only ever cite a few tunes he did that happened to get used in cartoons, not that he was happy about this, or maybe his jazz successes in the 30's. Sooting sounds for babies are amazing collections of ideas for their time (early 60's). Even from the title you kind of get the hint that Eno may have heard them huh?

if you're not up on the guy, check out this genius on www.raymondscott.com

Link --part1_156.179c6075.2b0ad1da_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 18:39:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02974; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:34:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:34:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: LinkTomlin@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:32:16 EST Subject: Re: Loop stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f.27bc53a.2b0ad280_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows UK sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f.27bc53a.2b0ad280_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oops, with regard... "Acid at the moment falls a tiiiiny bit short as it was designed more with DJ's in mind re the live input." I of course meant Live --part1_f.27bc53a.2b0ad280_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oops, with regard...

"Acid at the moment falls a tiiiiny bit short as it was designed more with DJ's in mind re the live input."

I of course meant Live
 --part1_f.27bc53a.2b0ad280_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 18:40:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03327; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:40:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:40:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021118233944.45555.qmail@web40509.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:39:44 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Electronic music (was Re: Is there a moderator here?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And somehow the limitations of the past brought a lot of individuality; i suppose the old timers were just reading the book and painting their own picture... i didn´t get it when Pete Townsend or jimmy Page talked so highly about John lee hooker...his guitar was mostly out of tune.It then occured to me that he wasn´t trying to play guitar but drums instead! Check out "Sacred spirit culture clash vol. 2" a cool platte with lots of sample loops,lounge chill out grooves and of course John lee hooker undeniable blues licks and citations L.a > At 11:59 PM -0800 11/17/02, Mark wrote: > >I think I disagree with you Richard. Not that I > think your list isn't > >great, I just think it's important to start with > people that are more > >current ..Then you go back and find the root, when > you have some > >context. No? When I've tried to go to the root of > things without > >an understanding of what's > >happening, I find myself having a difficult time > getting a fix sometimes. > > De gustibus non est desputandum. > > My own taste in research is to go immediately for > the root as soon as > I'm aware of its existence. Sometimes one discovers > these roots > through references from more familiar artists, as I > learned of Varèse > from a quotation on the first Mothers album and I > learned of > Stockhausen from a mention on the second Who album. > Once I knew that > Stockhausen existed I immediately bought the DDG > album containing > "Gesang der Jünglinge" and "Kontakte" and WHAM! I > was hooked. It was > 1966. I was 20 years old at the time and playing in > a folk rock band. > There simply wasn't any contemporary "mainstream" > electronic music at > the time. > > Similarly when I first became conscious of Indian > music through > George Harrison's use of the sitar on Norwegian Wood > I immediately > bought a couple of Ravi Shankar albums and listened > to them over and > over. It really wasn't that much of a stretch, as > long as I kept my > ears open (unlike my stepfather, who on hearing one > of my raga > records during a visit home for the holidays, > referred to Sharkar as > "Johnny One-Note"). > > But again, "De gustibus..." While I think that most > of us have > absorbed, at least subliminally, such a variety of > musical sounds and > styles throughout our lives that nothing we hear can > be truly that > surprising, perhaps many people are too set in their > musical tastes > to plunge headfirst into the abyss. I admit that it > took me a while > to hear blues as more than primitive three-chord > vamping. All I was > hearing was the surface. And I didn't have a true > appreciation for > African music until I actually learned to play it > from a Ghanaian > master drummer. > > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 18:51:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04166; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:51:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:51:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021118235040.93745.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:50:40 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Boomerang/ bass amp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20021118174821.75034.qmail@web40307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0jA_k.A.1AB.wzX29@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com :-)) :-))) :_)))))))))!!! yes id love to see it... Eh G string on at least? --- Evan Meyers wrote: > i'm a big fan of theatrics with music and believe > me, > you haven't seen a performance until you've seen > someone loop with their ass. i have video footage > for > those interested... > > jimi played with his teeth and behind his back, but > never with his cheeks! > > > > --- Louie Angulo wrote: > > > > Never thought of it either.. but live it should be > > quite entertaining! > > > > > > > > > Interesting concept! > > > > > > At 01:18 PM 2002/11/17, Evan Meyers wrote: > > > >i use a repeater with my ass. > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 18:53:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03932; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:48:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:48:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021118234721.30470.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:47:21 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Loop stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <17d.12182ec3.2b0ad085@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the info link i can´t wait to try it! Don´t know about hawling a computer to live gigs they make me feel a bit insecure to be honest:-) L.a > Live differs from Acid in that can be used to > remix\sample live input and > trigger "clips" on the fly as opposed to Acid's more > paint\arrange style of > working. Live is considered a live sequencing > instrument by it's authors, > Acid is more a linear way of working. > > If your setup is up to the job you can feed live > input into Live, process it > with VST effects, pass it through while triggering > pre-set clips or even > record the live input into new clips for triggering > themselves. > > In the context of what I think most people are after > around here with regard > looping, Acid at the moment falls a tiiiiny bit > short as it was designed more > with DJ's in mind re the live input. But it is > workable, I use it with an > FCB1010 and with some routing it's possible to use > it for looping live if > your hardware\drivers are up to scratch. Pretty much > everything is easily > assignable for MIDI control. > > The imminent V2 of Live has a number of nice new > features that will open it > up for more abuse in this area. A number of people > have been asking Ableton > for certain functions and they have taken quite a > number of them onboard. > Things like tap-tempo and resampling in a slightly > different way than is > possible at present. > > On the face of it, it's easy to think Live and Acid > are covering the same > territory but when you start messing with it you > realise they are actually > very different in concept from a performance poibnt > of view. > > Hope this helps. > > Link > > By the way, Live v2 is out next month some time and > I personally can't wait. > > In a message dated 18/11/2002 22:59:31 GMT Standard > Time, > laab2000us@yahoo.com writes: > > >
Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C28F5D.77418BB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" it was a hoot. shame about the weather though but. n.b. jam-mans don't work very well with 8v supplies; damn thing kept resetting and doing other weird things. also, my repeater does this thing sometimes with a midi clock, where it writes the first loop at double tempo, then plays it at the right tempo, all stretched out. what's THAT all about? more about the gigs when I am unlagged. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C28F5D.77418BB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [beyond_em] Radio Massacre Int'l live in Philadelphia

it was a hoot. shame about the weather though but.
n.b. jam-mans don't work very well with 8v supplies; dam= n thing kept resetting and doing other weird things. also, my repeater does= this thing sometimes with a midi clock, where it writes the first loop at = double tempo, then plays it at the right tempo, all stretched out. what's T= HAT all about?

more about the gigs when I am unlagged.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C28F5D.77418BB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 19:00:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06149; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:59:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:59:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: LinkTomlin@aol.com Message-ID: <8d.213d280e.2b0ad8c9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:59:05 EST Subject: Re: Loop stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8d.213d280e.2b0ad8c9_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows UK sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_8d.213d280e.2b0ad8c9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eheh, welcome. To be honest, I'd trust my setup live as much as some tube=20 based amps\heads I've used in the past, not to mention strings and radio=20 interference. They can be reliable with a bit of tlc\homework\cash. In a message dated 18/11/2002 23:47:08 GMT Standard Time,=20 laab2000us@yahoo.com writes: > Thanks for the info link i can=B4t wait to try it! > Don=B4t know about hawling a computer to live gigs they > make me feel a bit insecure to be honest:-) > L.a >=20 >=20 --part1_8d.213d280e.2b0ad8c9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eheh, welcome. To be honest, I'd trust my setup live as much as s= ome tube based amps\heads I've used in the past, not to mention strings and=20= radio interference. They can be reliable with a bit of tlc\homework\cash.
In a message dated 18/11/2002 23:47:08 GMT Standard Time, laab2000us@yahoo.c= om writes:

Thanks for the info link i can= =B4t wait to try it!
Don=B4t know about hawling a computer to live gigs they
make me feel a bit insecure to be honest:-)
L.a



 --part1_8d.213d280e.2b0ad8c9_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 19:30:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07033; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:16:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:16:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1037664909!40622 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA8B2@LON-MAIL07> To: sine@zerocrossing.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: FCB1010 and Repeater, together again Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:09:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C28F5F.F5DF9190" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C28F5F.F5DF9190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>Huh. I would definitely re install the OS. Unless you're developing cracks in solder connections or circuit boards, or dirty switches, you could just have a corrupted OS. Try it. Couldn't hurt. My units have hardly ever crashed. Greg House wrote: > --- Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > > I've had a few strange things happen since my Repeater and the FCB > > started talking to each other. While I haven't encountered the problem > > you've described, I have had the Repeater freeze up with regards to > > certain midi commands. > > Interestingly enough, I've had this happend even without the midi controller, > just using the 3 button footswitch. It started responding strangely to commands, > started giving me "CFC Slow" errors (when recording to internal RAM!) and then > finally crashed and restarted.<<< I don't think it's the repeater's OS that's corrupted, unless it's inherently so (i.e buggy). I have the same thing- "cfc slow" while using the ram, and also this double tempo thing (qv) while clocking the thing over midi. I've tried to be careful about the midi layout but there could be some weirdness getting into the repeater that isn't documented, so I'm going to try the thing standalone for a bit, with my new fender VI bass.... I also had a total lockout (during chuck's radio show in PA on saturday) with three tracks running and the fourth in reverse-record; had to pull the power cable. maybe they don't fly well. using 3-button box, not my fcb yet. still thinking about modifying a pc1600 into a pedalboard instead. d/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C28F5F.F5DF9190 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: FCB1010 and Repeater, together again

>>>Huh.  I would definitely re install the = OS.  Unless you're developing
cracks in
solder connections or circuit boards, or dirty switches,= you could just
have a
corrupted OS.  Try it.  Couldn't hurt.  M= y units have hardly ever
crashed.

Greg House wrote:

> --- Kevin Cheli-Colando <kevin@minds-eye.org> = wrote:
> >   I've had a few strange things happ= en since my Repeater and the FCB
> > started talking to each other. While I haven't= encountered the
problem
> > you've described, I have had the Repeater free= ze up with regards to
> > certain midi commands.
>
> Interestingly enough, I've had this happend even wi= thout the midi
controller,
> just using the 3 button footswitch. It started resp= onding strangely to
commands,
> started giving me "CFC Slow" errors (when= recording to internal RAM!)
and then
> finally crashed and restarted.<<<

I don't think it's the repeater's OS that's corrupted, un= less it's inherently so (i.e buggy). I have the same thing- "cfc slow&= quot; while using the ram, and also this double tempo thing (qv) while cloc= king the thing over midi. I've tried to be careful about the midi layout bu= t there could be some weirdness getting into the repeater that isn't docume= nted, so I'm going to try the thing standalone for a bit, with my new fende= r VI bass.... I also had a total lockout (during chuck's radio show in PA o= n saturday) with three tracks running and the fourth in reverse-record; had= to pull the power cable. maybe they don't fly well.

using 3-button box, not my fcb yet. still thinking about = modifying a pc1600 into a pedalboard instead.

d/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C28F5F.F5DF9190-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 19:51:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09590; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:49:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:49:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c28f65$3d66a080$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <156.179c6075.2b0ad1da@aol.com> Subject: Re: pioneers of electronic music/Star Trek Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:47:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C28F22.2DCA7C20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C28F22.2DCA7C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am curious-=20 Recently I found a site with a wealth of original Star Trek sounds- upon = listening to them out of context I was really impressed with the fact = that someone back in the day was really talented with analog synthesis. = I also found if you slow down the communicator sound it sounds EXACTLY = like frogs singing. Does anyone know the background with the sound = design on that show? Although OT I would bet it is somehow related to = the current topic! Cliff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: LinkTomlin@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 3:29 PM Subject: Re: pioneers of electronic music Someone who blows my mind and who I think of as a not often mentioned = "looper" is Raymond Scott. The guy was designing hardware from such = things as telephone relays and constructing rythmic and melodic loops = going back to the 40's. Most people only ever cite a few tunes he did that happened to get = used in cartoons, not that he was happy about this, or maybe his jazz = successes in the 30's. Sooting sounds for babies are amazing collections = of ideas for their time (early 60's). Even from the title you kind of = get the hint that Eno may have heard them huh? if you're not up on the guy, check out this genius on = www.raymondscott.com Link ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C28F22.2DCA7C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am curious-
Recently I found a site with a wealth of original = Star Trek=20 sounds- upon listening to them out of context I was really impressed = with the=20 fact that someone back in the day was really talented with analog = synthesis. I=20 also found if you slow down the communicator sound it sounds EXACTLY = like frogs=20 singing. Does anyone know the background with the sound design on that = show?=20 Although OT I would bet it is somehow related to the current = topic!
 
Cliff
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Someone=20 who blows my mind and who I think of as a not often mentioned "looper" = is=20 Raymond Scott. The guy was designing hardware from such things as = telephone=20 relays and constructing rythmic and melodic loops going back to the=20 40's.

Most people only ever cite a few tunes he did that = happened to=20 get used in cartoons, not that he was happy about this, or maybe his = jazz=20 successes in the 30's. Sooting sounds for babies are amazing = collections of=20 ideas for their time (early 60's). Even from the title you kind of get = the=20 hint that Eno may have heard them huh?

if you're not up on the = guy,=20 check out this genius on www.raymondscott.com

Link=20
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C28F22.2DCA7C20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 19:55:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09449; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:48:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:48:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00da01c28f65$3f7694c0$2dbb590c@u73x0> From: "Cino" To: References: <20021118235040.93745.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Boomerang/ bass amp Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:47:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > > >Evan wrote: > > > > >i use a repeater with my ass. and > > i'm a big fan of theatrics with music and believe > > me, you haven't seen a performance until you've seen > > someone loop with their ass. i have video footage > > for those interested... > > > > jimi played with his teeth and behind his back, but > > never with his cheeks! Louie replied: > :-)) :-))) :_)))))))))!!! > yes id love to see it... > Eh G string on at least? kind of gives a whole new meaning to "playing between the cracks"! I think AKASH may have some sort of patent or copyright on this, though ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 20:43:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15168; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:42:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:42:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021119014143.9095.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:41:43 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: pioneers of electronic music/Star Trek To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001b01c28f65$3d66a080$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's a little info at -t- --- Clifford Novey wrote: > Does anyone know the background with the > sound design on that show? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 20:53:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16189; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:53:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:53:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: mahijiru.cspc.us: www-data set sender to erwill@suitandtieguy.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: if you really want good sci fi synth history stuff ... Message-ID: <1037670739.3dd9995379dbf@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:52:19 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Williamson References: <20021119014143.9095.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20021119014143.9095.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.178.190 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com look into Dr Who. alot of the sound effects (and scores, too) were done with a nearly all-EMS studio at the BBC. there's a version of the theme that was done entirely with a Synthi 100, called the "Delaware Version". everybody but me hates it! Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 18 22:18:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23382; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:14:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:14:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:55:39 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: if you really want good sci fi synth history stuff ... In-reply-to: <1037670739.3dd9995379dbf@www.suitandtieguy.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20021119014143.9095.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> <1037670739.3dd9995379dbf@www.suitandtieguy.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6PESv.A.NtF.Oya29@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:52 PM -0500 11/18/02, Eric Williamson wrote: >look into Dr Who. Delia Derbyshire realized the theme music with Daphne Oram's optical synthesizer. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 00:34:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00440; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:28:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:28:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <029601c28f8c$60e97060$0964f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200211170015.TAA20293@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE THREAD TITLE WHEN THE SUBJECT OF THE THREAD CHANGES SIGNIFICANTLY Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:27:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi gang, I am having a problem I wanted to share with everyone. I, like a lot of people, have limited time for e-mail reading which is why I subscribe to the daily digest. Lately long threads have been going on where someone radically changes the subject of the thread but fails to change the thread title. Also, in the daily digest, the thread title sometimes continues but when I open it up it has I see that it has been changed. In todays' digest, for example, their is a post from David Auker about slow CFC messages on teh Repeater titled "Re: Repeater Quirks? (was: Re: Not Underestimating an Audi...)" whereas when I read the title in the digest, the title says, "NOT UNDERESTIMATING AN AUDIENCE...." luckily, I happened to open this posting and I am interested in it's content, but on a very busy day I would have deleted it, because the moderation issue is old and has been settle by Kim long, long ago. Is there any way that the digest can reflect the accuracy of the thread? And will everybody please attempt to change the thread title if they veer significantly away from the thread's subject matter. Thanks very much, yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 00:57:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01886; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:57:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:57:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: dgoat@quik.com Message-ID: <3DD9D03D.5C824DB7@quik.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:46:37 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Portland, OR loop festival participants sought References: <200211170015.TAA20293@hemlock.violacea.com> <029601c28f8c$60e97060$0964f93f@global> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings! I'm seeking Portland, OR loopers to take part in a "Portland Looping Festival" that I'm putting together at the Jasmine Tree. Please email dgoat@quik.com or twayn@hotpepper.com if you're interested in taking part. Thanks! D.G. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 00:59:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03385; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:59:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:59:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:01:09 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE THREAD TITLE WHEN THE SUBJECT OF THE THREAD CHANGES SIGNIFICANTLY In-reply-to: <029601c28f8c$60e97060$0964f93f@global> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200211170015.TAA20293@hemlock.violacea.com> <029601c28f8c$60e97060$0964f93f@global> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:27 PM -0800 11/18/02, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: >I, like a lot of people, have limited time for e-mail reading which is why >I subscribe to the daily digest. Rick, my man - I appreciate your frustration with irrelevant subject lines (and I appologize for contributing to the problem) but I just don't get what someone who is pressed for time would ever subscribe to the digest form of a mailing list. My personal experience has been that digests waste more of my time than receiving single e-mails. The way I manage it is to create a filter for each list I belong to. Then everything gets segregated into individual mailboxes, and the messages are all individually listed. If I want to follow a particular thread I simply sort the mailbox by Subject line and page my way through the messages. It beats the hell out of opening each digest and scanning the entire text looking for subjects of interest. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 01:05:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03980; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:05:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:05:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DD9D4C3.AEC53C17@tapehissrecordings.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:05:55 -0500 From: Scott Carr Organization: Tapehiss Recordings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE THREAD TITLE WHEN THE SUBJECT OF THETHREAD CHANGES SIGNIFICANTLY References: <200211170015.TAA20293@hemlock.violacea.com> <029601c28f8c$60e97060$0964f93f@global> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ditto - I'm subbed to a bunch of lists + the few digests I'm subbed to I almost never bother with. I really wish Kim would reconsider using a prefix like [LoopD] or even just [LD]. Makes filtering + sorting much easier. This is the only list I'm on other than the Jazz Butcher list that doesn't do this. My $0.02 Scott Richard Zvonar wrote: > > At 9:27 PM -0800 11/18/02, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > > >I, like a lot of people, have limited time for e-mail reading which is why > >I subscribe to the daily digest. > > Rick, my man - I appreciate your frustration with irrelevant subject > lines (and I appologize for contributing to the problem) but I just > don't get what someone who is pressed for time would ever subscribe > to the digest form of a mailing list. My personal experience has been > that digests waste more of my time than receiving single e-mails. > > The way I manage it is to create a filter for each list I belong to. > Then everything gets segregated into individual mailboxes, and the > messages are all individually listed. If I want to follow a > particular thread I simply sort the mailbox by Subject line and page > my way through the messages. It beats the hell out of opening each > digest and scanning the entire text looking for subjects of interest. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com -- ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine http://www.tapehissrecordings.com and our sites at the world's largest online cut-out bin http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves http://mp3.com/hebephrenica http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime ....and for a whole new kind of music.... http://www.tapegerm.com ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 01:06:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03991; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:05:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:05:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:03:27 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: Boomerang/ bass amp To: loopers Message-id: <3DD9D42E.29719541@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200211181803.AA1294139696@mail.unitcircle.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You know what I've been noticing? I hear a difference between playing my guitar and my bass through my Repeater. Guitar seems unchanged, bass slightly less bright. I first noticed this with the EDP. I finally figured it out. I can hear my bass. ACOUSTICALLY! I don't play all that loud, and I play with a pick. It was adding to the tone of the bass sound. Funny. Guitar is too quiet to notice the difference. Mark Sottilaro Kevin Goldsmith wrote: > I have only ever used the Boomerang with a bass amp. I've used it with both a GK 800RB and a Hartke 110 combo. I've used it in both the effects send and inline with my bass. In regards to the "colouring" that you mentioned before, the 'rang will tend to colour your sound because it uses a lower sampling rate and bit depth than most of the other loopers. Since I'm usually using my 'rang in combinations with other effects that colour my sound, it never really bothered me that much. If you are going straight from your bass to the rang to the amp and disappointed with the sound quality, you might want to consider the headrush or DL4, which both have much higher fidelities. For sound quality, I think that the Akai is the best, but the DL4 has most of features that you get on V1 Boomerang, plus a bunch of extra delay ones. > > Speaking of which, I still need to upgrade my rang, any news on how long that takes round trip to texas these days? > > Kevin > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Jhsidlo@aol.com > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:10:14 EST > > > Can someone recommend a good bass amp that works well with the Boomerang? > >Probably has an effects send. There are loopers out there that use a > >Boomerang with a bass amp? > > > > > > Thanks, James > > > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com > Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com > ------------------------------------------------------------- > New From Unit Circle: > Intonarumori - "Material" > http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ > -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 01:31:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05059; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:28:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:28:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:20:39 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE THREAD TITLE WHEN THE SUBJECT OF THETHREAD CHANGES SIGNIFICANTLY In-reply-to: <3DD9D4C3.AEC53C17@tapehissrecordings.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200211170015.TAA20293@hemlock.violacea.com> <029601c28f8c$60e97060$0964f93f@global> <3DD9D4C3.AEC53C17@tapehissrecordings.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:05 AM -0500 11/19/02, Scott Carr wrote: >I really wish Kim would reconsider using a prefix like [LoopD] or >even just [LD]. Makes filtering + sorting much easier. I'm using Eudora. My filter for this list is <> contains "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" It works fine. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 01:33:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05129; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:30:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:30:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c28f95$08a93080$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <5624340A-FA56-11D6-940E-00039375AF3C@sonic.net> Subject: Re: Is there a moderator here? Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:29:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop016.verizon.net from [68.160.8.7] at Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:29:33 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I entirely concur with Mark - garbage in, garbage out. The "value" in this list is eradicated by the volume of junk it accepts into it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Landman" To: Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 12:59 PM Subject: Re: Is there a moderator here? > > On Sunday, November 17, 2002, at 04:26 AM, Kim Flint wrote: > > > "Is there a moderator here?" > > > > no there is not, and there never will be. > > > > It's up to the list as a community to sort out its problems. Sometimes > > that will be a challenge. But if you all can't manage to deal with a > > silly little issue like this, how do you manage to get through each day > > of your life? > > > > kim > > > > The key thing here seems to be the concept of this list as a > "self-policing" community. This works as long as the community shares > some key values about appropriate actions and behaviors. There can be a > wide range of latitude in this range, but still enough consistency so > the "community" works and thrives. > > The problem we have is when someone on the list falls well outside the > range of tolerable behavior. The rest of the list has no truly > satisfactory method of dealing with the problem. > > I think it's fine we have an unmoderated list, This allows wide range of > topics and opinions to be presented on LD. But when we find a situation > where someone's broadcasting continual "white noise", this is a problem. > > I wouldn't view removing input like this "moderating", I'd view it as an > unfortunate exception to be dealt with. > > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 01:48:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05731; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:43:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:43:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021118223831.02506da8@mail.mindspring.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:42:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: email filters (was Re: A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE THREAD TITLE WHEN THE SUBJECT OF THETHREAD CHANGES SIGNIFICANTLY) In-Reply-To: References: <3DD9D4C3.AEC53C17@tapehissrecordings.com> <200211170015.TAA20293@hemlock.violacea.com> <029601c28f8c$60e97060$0964f93f@global> <3DD9D4C3.AEC53C17@tapehissrecordings.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another feature of Eudora filters is that they can rewrite message subjects. Mine prepends [loop] to the subject of each message (which does not appear when I reply to the list). sean At 10:20 PM 2002/11/18, Richard Zvonar wrote: >At 1:05 AM -0500 11/19/02, Scott Carr wrote: >>I really wish Kim would reconsider using a prefix like [LoopD] or even >>just [LD]. Makes filtering + sorting much easier. > >I'm using Eudora. My filter for this list is <> contains >"Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > >It works fine. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 02:29:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08856; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 02:29:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 02:29:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DD9E85A.BFF0BBCA@tapehissrecordings.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 02:29:30 -0500 From: Scott Carr Organization: Tapehiss Recordings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [Loopyloop]Re: A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE THREAD TITLE WHEN THE SUBJECT OF THETHREADCHANGES SIGNIFICANTLY References: <200211170015.TAA20293@hemlock.violacea.com> <029601c28f8c$60e97060$0964f93f@global> <3DD9D4C3.AEC53C17@tapehissrecordings.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This would be great if I only checked my e-mail from one location, but I check from 3 locations + setting up multiple filters is a hassle - why not just have a bloody prefix? Is that so wrong??? I just don't get the resistance to this. Is it some anti-logo thing? It would really just be easier for everyone if there was a mark for Looper's Delight signified in the subject line. more than my $0.02 - 4sense? - nonsense! Pretense? Scott Richard Zvonar wrote: > > At 1:05 AM -0500 11/19/02, Scott Carr wrote: > >I really wish Kim would reconsider using a prefix like [LoopD] or > >even just [LD]. Makes filtering + sorting much easier. > > I'm using Eudora. My filter for this list is <> > contains "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > > It works fine. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com -- ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine http://www.tapehissrecordings.com and our sites at the world's largest online cut-out bin http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves http://mp3.com/hebephrenica http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime ....and for a whole new kind of music.... http://www.tapegerm.com ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 03:00:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11425; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 02:59:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 02:59:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021119075900.50681.qmail@web12308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:59:00 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: MTV To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200211151623.LAA20054@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> If memory serves, the first Buggles album came out in 79. After that, Geoff Downes and Trevor Horn (who basically WERE The Buggles, after the third guy you see in the video left) joined Yes, recorded the highly underrated album Drama with them, and toured the US and Europe before the whole thing fell apart. People in the US think The Buggles were a new group in 81, but I think they may have already bitten the dust, with Horn moving onto production and Downes co-founding Asia. << And, for several years after its founding, MTTV was desperate enough for material to play that they ran Juice Newton videos.>> We first got cable in the summer of 82, and I don't remember EVER seeing Juice Newton on MTV. They may have showed her real early on (they also aired a Charlie Daniels concert early on as well), but from mid 82 onwards, I was an ardent viewer, and I never saw Juice Newton on there. I remember seeing her on HBO, on their Video Jukebox show (along with Al DiMeola, Pat Metheny, and Jean-Luc Ponty, none of whom I ever saw on MTV, either..though I did see them later on VH-1's New Visions show). The funny thing about MTV in the early days is they got a lot of criticism for not playin black artists. People like Prince, Shalamar, and other R&B performers had videos, but MTV wouldn't play them. Years later, they claimed it was because they were going for the "white suburban male demographic", which explains the heavy reliance on new wave stuff, with a little bit of hard rock and metal mixed in. But if they were playing Juice Newton and Charlie Daniels (I can vouch on the latter, I remember seeing that live version of The Devil Went Down To Georgia a number of times), that kinda shoots that theory to hell. Of course, it's kinda ironic that MTV went from playing no black artists in 81-82 to being almost entirely black by the end of the 90's. That is, when they even bothered to play videos. I still think MTV was amazingly great for about the first 4 or 5 years. It was somewhere around 86 or 87 when it started to go down the toilet, I think. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 03:50:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA14276; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 03:46:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 03:46:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021119014927.00859420@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:49:27 -0700 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Live Alpha Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <4qQpl.A.4eD.xpf29@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, a few days ago I mentioned a live improvisational vocal piece called Alpha, which I've been told shares some key phrasings with a type of raag, called Bihaag. Thanks to Clifford Novey, who is lending me some web space, the piece is now posted in it's entirety at: ftp://loopers:loopers@om-studios.com It will be there for at least two weeks. I thought some might be interested. -Hope you enjoy it, -have a wonderful evening... Smiles, Cara --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 07:12:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA28216; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 07:12:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 07:12:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Live Alpha Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:12:19 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <002a01c28fc4$e8a19220$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20021119014927.00859420@pop.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id HAA28181 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Goddess [mailto:thefates@earthlink.net] > Hi All, a few days ago I mentioned a live improvisational > vocal piece called Alpha, which I've been told shares some > key phrasings with a type of > raag, called Bihaag. Thanks to Clifford Novey, who is > lending me some web > space, the piece is now posted in it's entirety at: > ftp://loopers:loopers@om-studios.com It will be there for at least two weeks. I thought some might be interested. -Hope you enjoy it, -have a wonderful evening... Smiles, Cara Thanks for sharing this wonderful piece of music in its full length! It's spinning in repeat mode from my local drive now ;-) Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 08:15:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA32428; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:12:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:12:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: <177.121f650c.2b0b92bf@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:12:31 EST Subject: Re: if you really want good sci fi synth history stuff ... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Resent-Message-ID: <-WAt_C.A.l6H.Fjj29@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com check out Forbidden Planet... lots of bloops and bleeps. wonderful! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 08:18:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA32705; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:17:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:17:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021119131652.90370.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 05:16:52 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: if you really want good sci fi synth history stuff ... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1037670739.3dd9995379dbf@www.suitandtieguy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Eric Williamson wrote: > look into Dr Who. Oh great! Now "Dun-ta-dun-ta-dun-ta-dun-ta-ooooo-woooo-oooo" is stuck in my head! Thanks a lot! 8^) -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 09:27:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05701; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:23:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:23:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:23:06 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: subject prefixes. (how's that rick?) was[Loopyloop]Re: A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE THREAD TITLE WHEN THE SUBJECT OF THETHREADCHANGES SIGNIFICANTLY To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02e701c28fd7$2df692f0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200211170015.TAA20293@hemlock.violacea.com> <029601c28f8c$60e97060$0964f93f@global> <3DD9D4C3.AEC53C17@tapehissrecordings.com> <3DD9E85A.BFF0BBCA@tapehissrecordings.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8zhxdD.A.pYB.Mlk29@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >...- why > not just have a bloody prefix? Is that so wrong??? yes. filters are simple... and subject lines are often very long already (see?) plus: kim is already doing enough for us, don't you think? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 09:38:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06600; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:35:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:35:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:35:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Portland, OR loop festival participants sought MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <26B62CAB.0D1E10B9.0017F279@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 11/19/2002 12:46:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, dgoat@quik.com writes: > > > > Greetings! > > I'm seeking Portland, OR loopers to take part in a "Portland Looping > Festival" that I'm putting together at the Jasmine Tree. Please email > dgoat@quik.com or twayn@hotpepper.com if you're interested > in taking > part. > > Thanks! > > D.G. Hey D.G. I'm very interested!! James Sidlo (www.unclebuzz.com). Please let me know a time when possible. thanks, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 10:17:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10447; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:16:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:16:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:04:51 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: another NEW live gig MP3!!! To: "Taaffe, Denis G" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <011101c28fde$53b6dd40$1912be18@Douglas> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis- I enjoyed your music at http://www.dtguitar.com/spoonnov16.mp3 very much. Nice tonal and rhythmic setting. I would love to hear this style and quality of music much more often. dB Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 10:46:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12589; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:45:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:45:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: another NEW live gig MP3!!! Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:45:21 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: another NEW live gig MP3!!! Thread-Index: AcKP3pbymcm0ynhyRyWBnTxlvApJdgAAxvvQ From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "Douglas Baldwin" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2002 15:45:22.0057 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB630790:01C28FE2] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA12546 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Hey thanks very much...you know, it was a new setup for me, so I got to try out a bunch of new sounds and things and I do liek it very much as well. It is strange how the gear can affect what kind of music and things happen when improvising I had played a gig there the week before and I had a different setup (solid state amp versus tube and no f/x pedal ) and recorded it as well and the sound is so different?! hmmm, that makes me think the gear has a ton to do with it. Well, I plan on making short run CD's of the shows I recorded and if I do I can let the list know.I record them for fun and lovce to hear how I did, mistakes and things and this one was just mono , one mic up to the speaker of the combo amp, but I wonder what it would be like in stereo. Well, anyway, thanks very much for taking a listen.Oh yeah, I cant rave enough about the digitech rpp50 for $69, wow!! It is tiny fits in your guitar case and it has lots of effects and sounds decent and drum machine even,cool!! Denis Denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 10:53:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13201; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:51:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:51:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:45:34 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: another NEW live gig MP3!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Douglas Baldwin Message-id: <000801c28fe2$b2f6e120$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Taaffe, Denis G" >...and this one was just mono , one mic up to the speaker of the >combo amp, but I wonder what it would be like in stereo. Add a little bit of stereo reverb when you record it on to your computer. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 11:01:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15657; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:00:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:00:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: another NEW live gig MP3!!! Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:59:41 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: another NEW live gig MP3!!! Thread-Index: AcKP49PrLbB4Q86URQiAtiEu2kyInQAAJkwQ From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: , "Douglas Baldwin" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2002 15:59:41.0620 (UTC) FILETIME=[ABB9EF40:01C28FE4] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA15589 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah!! that would work, but I would rather capture the actual stereo sound, oh wiat..I was playing in mono hahaah...well, it would be cool to bring 2 combo amps an run stereo,I play again the 23rd so I will try that.....yeah I should spend tiem and master that stuff and see how it sounds cool..... Denis denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: David Beardsley [mailto:db@biink.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 10:46 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: another NEW live gig MP3!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Taaffe, Denis G" >...and this one was just mono , one mic up to the speaker of the >combo amp, but I wonder what it would be like in stereo. Add a little bit of stereo reverb when you record it on to your computer. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 11:05:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16032; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:03:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:03:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:02:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The Loop of Meteors - What a show MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2F2D3068.5CD8E969.09B5D419@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What a show I saw early this morning as I stepped up onto a rooftop in Old City, Philadelphia to gaze at the beauty of life, light and joy as it was truly magnificent to see the sky dancing with delight. & in the world we live in now which is ever more dangerous & suspicious in its appearence, it was quite a remarkable & peaceful event to take in as what I observed/received filled me with so much joy. Such a simple thing such as stargazing will now last a lifetime & more with me & hopefully remind me of the beauty/light/joy which is always present in all things. I say this especially so where even when we humans are perhaps acting out & trading upon our very worse behavior, my wish is that I can & will remember to see & still hope for all peoples joy to be as great or greater than my own as it was given to me this morning. Warmest Regards, "John Price/AKASH" The World's Most Erotic Band http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/akashmusicnewsgroup "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 11:11:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16744; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:11:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:11:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: theweg@netzero.com X-Original-From: theweg@netzero.com Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:09:37 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Live Alpha X-Mailer: NetZero WebMail Version 1.0 Message-Id: <20021119.081019.12728.28271@webmail01.lax.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ahhhhhhh, very relaxing.... I like it alot! Very nice! weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 11:34:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18491; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:31:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:31:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b501c28fe9$01bb9de0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <2F2D3068.5CD8E969.09B5D419@aol.com> Subject: Re: The Loop of Meteors - What a show Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:30:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Enjoyed your posting, John. I think we would all be better and happier if we looked *up* once in awhile... Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 11:37:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18266; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:28:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:28:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:06:28 -0800 From: glenn Subject: Re: if you really want good sci fi synth history stuff ... In-reply-to: <177.121f650c.2b0b92bf@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Dawn of the dead" - Soundtrack by "Goblin", prog, some John Carpenter "dunt dunt" repetition, but also lots of great synth effects. Funny too. on 11/19/02 5:12 AM, RA336@aol.com at RA336@aol.com wrote: > check out Forbidden Planet... > lots of bloops and bleeps. wonderful! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 11:42:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19315; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:39:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:39:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c28feb$bfe0c320$3ba35e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: <2F2D3068.5CD8E969.09B5D419@aol.com> Subject: Re: The Loop of Meteors - What a show Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:50:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nicely spoken, John! In Portland, Oregon, we had a cloud cover, but I did experience the Leonids last year. True sky-music, VERY high! David A. > What a show I saw early this morning as I stepped up onto a rooftop in Old City, Philadelphia to gaze at the beauty of life, light and joy as it was truly magnificent to see the sky dancing with delight. > > & in the world we live in now which is ever more dangerous & suspicious in its appearence, it was quite a remarkable & peaceful event to take in as what I observed/received filled me with so much joy. > > Such a simple thing such as stargazing will now last a lifetime & more with me & hopefully remind me of the beauty/light/joy which is always present in all things. > > I say this especially so where even when we humans are perhaps acting out & trading upon our very worse behavior, my wish is that I can & will remember to see & still hope for all peoples joy to be as great or greater than my own as it was given to me this morning. > > Warmest Regards, > "John Price/AKASH" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 12:06:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22079; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:00:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:00:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:57:50 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: another NEW live gig MP3!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DDA6D8E.6D208E23@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com another good little trick is to use chours, flanging or phase shifting and put a mic close to the amp, and another a few feet away. (you've got to experiment with the distance) and pan each signal hard left and right. When you get the distance right, you'll hear the shift pan. Mark Sottilaro "Taaffe, Denis G" wrote: > yeah!! that would work, but I would rather capture the actual stereo sound, oh wiat..I was playing in mono hahaah...well, it would be cool to bring 2 combo amps an run stereo,I play again the 23rd so I will try that.....yeah I should spend tiem and master that stuff and see how it sounds cool..... > > Denis > > denis Taaffe > denis@dtguitar.com > http://www.dtguitar.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Beardsley [mailto:db@biink.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 10:46 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; Douglas Baldwin > Subject: Re: another NEW live gig MP3!!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Taaffe, Denis G" > > >...and this one was just mono , one mic up to the speaker of the > >combo amp, but I wonder what it would be like in stereo. > > Add a little bit of stereo reverb when you > record it on to your computer. > > * David Beardsley > * http://biink.com > * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 12:20:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23171; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:18:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:18:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021119171739.76651.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:17:39 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: if you really want good sci fi synth history stuff ... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not really electronic per se, but I've always liked Alain Goraguer's music from "Fantastic Planet"; early '70's Floydish/Euro stuff, Rhodes and wahwah. Very dated, but fun. (Along those lines could also be mentioned Air's soundtrack to "The Virgin Suicides"...) More recently, there's some very cool looptexturedness on the "Blair Witch 2" soundtrack. The guitar sure don't sound like no reg'lar guitar and can be blamed on some guy calling himself "Splutterbell" or something like that. Anyone heard of him? 8^) -t- > on 11/19/02 5:12 AM, RA336@aol.com at RA336@aol.com > wrote: > > > check out Forbidden Planet... > > lots of bloops and bleeps. wonderful! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 12:28:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23856; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:26:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:26:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021119172523.94450.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:25:23 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: if you really want good sci fi synth history stuff ... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20021119171739.76651.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just to clarify, I actually meant the SCORE, not the soundtrack. The soundtrack is a buncha kinda generically angry songs by Godhead, Rob Zombie, Marilyn Manson and their ilk, while the SCORE (available on the flipside of the DVD) features Carter Burwell, G-Man and that "Thorn" dude with the noms de plume (Spiffyshell or whatever...). -t- --- Tim Nelson wrote: > on the "Blair Witch 2" soundtrack __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 12:32:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24182; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:30:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:30:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: burnett@pobox.com X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:28:37 -0500 (EST) X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: if you really want good sci fi synth history stuff ... In-Reply-To: <20021119171739.76651.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Tim Nelson wrote: > More recently, there's some very cool looptexturedness > on the "Blair Witch 2" soundtrack. The guitar sure > don't sound like no reg'lar guitar and can be blamed > on some guy calling himself "Splutterbell" or > something like that. Anyone heard of him? 8^) Yep, I liked David Torn's work on Blair Witch 2. The DVD of the film has the movie on side 1, and side to is a CD-format of the entire film score. Given it wasn't a very popular movie, I was able to pick up the DVD for less than I've paid for soundtrack CDs retail :). best, Steve Burnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 12:40:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24903; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:40:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:40:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021119173901.81650.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:39:01 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE THREAD TITLE WHEN THE SUBJECT OF THETHREAD CHANGES SIGNIFICANTLY To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3DD9D4C3.AEC53C17@tapehissrecordings.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's a question: if we are replying to a post in a thread that has changed direction, and simply change the subject line, does it still show up in the digest as part of the original thread? Rick's post made it sound like it does; a couple of days ago, I changed the "is there a moderator here" thread title to the "electronic music" one by the means described above. Should I have instead drafted a new message (and pasted in the part I was replying to) or does it not matter? -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 12:41:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25103; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:41:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:41:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000101c28ff2$6a334e00$60c987d9@GarethWhittock> From: "Gareth Whittock" To: References: Subject: fcb1010 question Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:20:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm aware that a lot of words have been written regarding this piece of hardware - what I'd like to know is whether this unit can be used to send INDIVIDUAL CC's within a patch or does it, (as it sounds) send a load of different midi messages to various devices, binding them together sort of thing. Just to clarify - at the moment my Zoom 8080 allows me to output a different CC per footswitch and a couple of pedals do this too - Advice anyone? Cheers, Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 12:41:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24787; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:38:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:38:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:28:21 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: if you really want good sci fi synth history stuff ... In-reply-to: <177.121f650c.2b0b92bf@aol.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <177.121f650c.2b0b92bf@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:12 AM -0500 11/19/02, RA336@aol.com wrote: >check out Forbidden Planet... >lots of bloops and bleeps. wonderful! Louis and Bebe Barron. Bebe's recent work is great too! Even though she did it Supercollider it sounds a lot like the Forbidden Planet "electronic tonalities." -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 12:42:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25272; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:41:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:41:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c28ff3$00c91c00$e8f0abd4@tin.it> From: "Amleto" To: Subject: RC-20: I've got it and i already scream... Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:42:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well friends, i've got my rc 20... I can tell You this: It's quiete simple. Sounds quite good. It's not my ideal at all. It seems to have a problem. At first i want to tell you what i found about it in few minutes: 10 loop memories. 1 one shot memory. You can use each memory with a presaved loop or an on fly loop. By this will depend all: if for example you have 10 presaved loops (not covering the 5,5 minutes limit) you can do this: tap tempo by pressing two times the tap tempo button or the right pedal. But if you want change tempo while playing you have to use tap tempo button because right pedal at first stop the loop. Depending on the time between the two pressing of the pedal the tempo changes. Alias, if you let more time between the first and the second time you press the pedal or button the tempo will be slower than if you let less time. The ritm is exactely the one you get. But there is a limit in slowness and in fastness... Also, while one presaved loop is playing, for esemple number one, you can turn the knob on number two and it will wait for numer one to finish and will start number two. It seems impossible to interrupt one loop with another directly. You have at first to stop the loop with right pedal and then to play the other one with left pedal. The better thing you can do is to at first turn the knob on the next loop to play, and then stop the one playing and start the other. I hope it is clear. So, if you turn the knob on another loop while one is playing this will continue playing till the and of this repetition and then the other will start. You can overdub on a presaved loop and in this case you have a sort of undo: while presaved loop and overdubbed (and not saved) loop are running if you press and hold for about 2 sec the left pedal all what is not saved will be deleted while the presaved is still running. This is nice, but it is not nice that you have to delete all the not saved loop and not only the last phrase inserted, and also that if you delete while the not saved is running it will not end is turn, will be stopped while playing. And it is difficult to manage cause of the two sec of holding. Also, its the first recording to determine the time of a loop. So if you overdubbing pass that limit it will happen that what you are recording after that limit is consedered a third overdub. And this is bad because if you use voice as me and you start with a short rithm and them with a long melody or talking it will be divided for the lenght of the short rithm and each part will be played togheter! Well, if you have no presaved loop this is what happens: if you record a loop on position 1 and without saving you go on position two, if on two there is something presaved loop one will wait its end and two will start, if not, loop one will continue at infinite. But if while one its running you turn on two (empty) and you press right pedal one is stopped and lost, if you go back on one there is nothing... If you want to save one while it's running you CAN't do it, because it will be stopped. Orrible. So, on the fly, you can not have ten separate loops at all. Reverse functions both with saved or not saved and its cool... Especially for talking! Because if you reverse a speach and then record another while the first is reversed, and then you turn off reversem it will be the second to be reversed, and you can press reverse several times having beautifull effects... Maybe for yoy it's obvious, but for me it's new What else? It functions with ac or dc. If you have a blackuot and you have batteries the sound will not be interrupted... You have an audo sync that it's good to be more precise. The recording will not stop when you sto talking, but it will start only when you talk, so at least you have to be careful only for stopping with the pedal, not to start, and this make a little bit more precise the manual (ear) sync of overdubbed phrases. If you have good reflections and good ears and sense of rithm you can be precise. At least with voice... So, the problem: If you have or example two presaved loops, as i told you you can pass to two while one is playing, it will just wait 1 to end its turn. In the wait the play led will , how to say, will be intermitting...(???) But, if after turning on two, while 1 is waitin the end of its turn and play led is intermitting, if you press more times left pedal and continue pressing after that two is playing (while led is intermitting, one playing, two waiting its turn, pedal does nothing, once two started pedal causes change from play to overdub as quicky as your foot) it will often happen that a strong noise occurr, and it s recorded and it goes on loop... If you stop the loop and start it again the noise is no more in one exemplar, but repeated continuesly! I turned off imput, i took off the mic, i used ac, dc, or both, and it happens the same... So, if this happens with the batteries only it is not guilty of the not original ac adapter, right??? If the adapter respected all the original indication, dc9v, 50hz, but 1200 ma and not 200, and no signs about "8va" it is possible tha i destroied my new rc20???????????????????? Can you in some way help me??? I wrote to roland. Their customer service is orrible!!!!!!!!! No way to contact them by mail because in the site there is no mail, no on line form. just faq and FUCK! I have to phone to a number and pay 1,5$ per minute... Here is a lot. I got an emeil address, i will see how soon and how good they will answer. I n some way hope this is a fault by fabric of all rc-20. So i have not to repair mine, i really don't want to start so soon to wait, go, wait, fear that the tecnician is not able and destroy my rc20... This problem is not important because i have no reason to press so many time a pedal in a moment while it's unuseful. But if i will have short loops and i will have to start overdubbing at the beginning of a loop, just while the first has finished and the second start, not waiting a repetition but imediately, maybe this problem could be serious... What do you think? I have the possibility to change the rc20 with the mc-09. It can have 4 loops separately. But it's not clear if i can record from mic. Nor this: they say that you can merge 4 in one and continue. How is it possible. If the limit of 6x4 sec is a limit of memory, when i merge 4 loops in one i just should have no more 6x4 but just 24, and no more memory to overdub on that loop or to record other 3... Can anybody tell me anything about this??? 24 sec are too few for me, i am sure now. That machine seems wonderful but only if i can record effectively more that 24 sec once merged... Hop in a fast reply from some angel because in case i am still in time to change device... Help! Sergio... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 12:55:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27028; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:54:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:54:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021119175345.20684.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:53:44 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: if you really want good sci fi synth history stuff ... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's a very interesting interview with Bebe Barron in a book called "Incredibly Strange Music, Vol. II" from RE/Search Publications (ISBN: 0-940642-21-2) that was conducted in late '89, three weeks after Louis's death. After the couple split up, Bebe stopped working in sound for quite a while, and at the time of the interview was just starting to get interested in it again and was beginning to experiment with the new technology. -t- --- Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 8:12 AM -0500 11/19/02, RA336@aol.com wrote: > >check out Forbidden Planet... > > Louis and Bebe Barron __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 13:08:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29137; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:07:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:07:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021119180616.65031.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:06:16 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: RC-20: I've got it and i already scream... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002b01c28ff3$00c91c00$e8f0abd4@tin.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have to confess: I've had my RC-20 for about a year and a half, use it very often for real-time on-the-fly looping, and I've NEVER ONCE used any of the storage settings. Is that true for any of the rest of you? (I also loop with an Akai Headrush, a Korg SDD-1000, a DOD DFX94, a Boss DD-3, a Boss PS-2 and a Line6 DL-4. Actually, I hardly ever get to use the DL-4, since my girlfriend uses it and won't give it back!) -t- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 13:50:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31640; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:47:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:47:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:44:52 +0100 Subject: Re: RC-20: I've got it and i already scream... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20021119180616.65031.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, November 19, 2002, at 07:06 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: > I have to confess: I've had my RC-20 for about a year > and a half, use it very often for real-time on-the-fly > looping, and I've NEVER ONCE used any of the storage > settings. > > Is that true for any of the rest of you? Actually, embarrassingly enough, the same is true for myself and the Repeater :) -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 14:02:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01279; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:00:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:00:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-9.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1037732408!61215 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA8B8@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: fcb1010 question Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:54:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C28FFD.1DE65F50" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C28FFD.1DE65F50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>what I'd like to know is whether this unit can be used to send INDIVIDUAL CC's within a patch or does it, (as it sounds) send a load of different midi messages to various devices, binding them together sort of thing.<< my understanding (I have a fcb1010 here which I've never powered up yet, but I have also used pc1600's and doepfer midi controllers) is that the unit sends a "salvo" of cc's & pc's; up to two of the former and five of the latter per preset, along with a note-on command. the presets can be stored with just one cc/pc or note-on, or anything in between. for those of us trying to control (say) a repeater's transport, or do punch-ins on a sequencer or DAW, this is far from ideal. it is possible to write patches for it that will send a single pc when one of the presets is recalled, but even the most basic repeater use quickly gobbles up an entire bank of presets and requires a fred astaire approach to one's stage use. how does the zoom work, then? duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>what I'd like to know is whether this unit can be= used to
send INDIVIDUAL CC's within a patch or does it, (as it s= ounds) send a load of
different midi messages to various devices, binding them= together sort
of thing.<<

my understanding (I have a fcb1010 here which I've never = powered up yet, but I have also used pc1600's and doepfer midi controllers)= is that the unit sends a "salvo" of cc's & pc's; up to two o= f the former and five of the latter per preset, along with a note-on comman= d.

the presets can be stored with just one cc/pc or note-on,= or anything in between. for those of us trying to control (say) a repeater= 's transport, or do punch-ins on a sequencer or DAW, this is far from ideal= . it is possible to write patches for it that will send a single pc when on= e of the presets is recalled, but even the most basic repeater use quickly = gobbles up an entire bank of presets and requires a fred astaire approach t= o one's stage use.

how does the zoom work, then?

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C28FFD.1DE65F50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 14:03:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01418; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:01:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:01:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01ae01c28fff$96caa2d0$3ba35e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: Subject: Re: RC-20: I've got it and i already scream... Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:12:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stuart, This is probably the dumb question of the day (hey, I didn't see my meteors last night!), but here goes: What is a "storage setting" on Repeater? David A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project)" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 10:44 AM Subject: Re: RC-20: I've got it and i already scream... > > On Tuesday, November 19, 2002, at 07:06 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: > > > I have to confess: I've had my RC-20 for about a year > > and a half, use it very often for real-time on-the-fly > > looping, and I've NEVER ONCE used any of the storage > > settings. > > > > Is that true for any of the rest of you? > > Actually, embarrassingly enough, the same is true for myself and the > Repeater :) > > -- > Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 14:42:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05084; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:41:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:41:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <8c.21433231.2b0beda3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:40:19 EST Subject: Re: Poor loopers-zoom 2100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8c.21433231.2b0beda3_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_8c.21433231.2b0beda3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/18/02 9:42:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, scott-a-hansen@uiowa.edu writes: > plus the 5 sec samples relied on you keeping your > foot on the button to activate would it be possible to change the switches so that they would be latching?.....michael --part1_8c.21433231.2b0beda3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/18/02 9:42:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, scott-a-hansen@uiowa.edu writes:


plus the 5 sec samples relied on you keeping your
foot on the button to activate


would it be possible to change the switches so that they would be latching?.....michael --part1_8c.21433231.2b0beda3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 15:29:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09911; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:26:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:26:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <6d.2806ccf.2b0bf812@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:24:50 EST Subject: Re: another NEW live gig MP3!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6d.2806ccf.2b0bf812_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_6d.2806ccf.2b0bf812_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/19/02 10:46:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, dtaaffe@indiana.edu writes: > Well, I plan on making short run CD's of the shows I recorded and if I do I > can let the list know. dennis.....by all means do this.....my computer does not play mp3s.....it breaks my heart not to hear all of the music you folk are all doing.....michael --part1_6d.2806ccf.2b0bf812_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/19/02 10:46:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, dtaaffe@indiana.edu writes:


Well, I plan on making short run CD's of the shows I recorded and if I do I can let the list know.


dennis.....by all means do this.....my computer does not play mp3s.....it breaks my heart not to hear all of the music you folk are all doing.....michael --part1_6d.2806ccf.2b0bf812_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 15:29:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09921; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:26:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:26:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021119202410.34576.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:24:10 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Repeater compatible card discontinued To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8c.21433231.2b0beda3@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just attempted to order a Simpletech compact flash card from america at Frys electronics and they said they have been discontinued. In europe there are only the Sandisk ones but although the manual recomends them they don´t seem to work.Anybody know if the Memorex will work? or which ones? thanx L.a ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 15:37:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09667; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:21:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:21:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021119120546.0387c008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:23:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE THREAD TITLE WHEN THE SUBJECT OF THE THREAD CHANGES SIGNIFICANTLY In-Reply-To: <029601c28f8c$60e97060$0964f93f@global> References: <200211170015.TAA20293@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:27 PM 11/18/2002, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: >Lately long threads have been going on where someone radically changes the >subject of the thread but fails to change the thread title. Also, in the >daily >digest, the thread title sometimes continues but when I >open it up it has I see that it has been changed. >In todays' digest, for example, their is a post from David Auker about slow >CFC messages on teh Repeater titled "Re: Repeater Quirks? (was: Re: Not >Underestimating an Audi...)" >whereas when I read the title in the digest, the title says, >"NOT UNDERESTIMATING AN AUDIENCE...." >Is there any way that the digest can reflect the accuracy of the thread? Hi Rick- I don't understand the problem you are having. As far as I can tell the subjects of the individual posts are appearing in the digest contents exactly as they are in the posts. And in the individual posts the subject line is left intact. I check the digest in one mail client that just shows it as plain text, and another that takes advantage of the MIME encoding to make it easy to sort and jump to individual posts. In the MIME version, the subjects are also appearing just fine, and match the original post. This includes the specific post you mention, but I checked others. So I think this must be a problem on your end. Perhaps something to do with your mail program or how you have it configured. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 15:40:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10869; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:37:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:37:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c2900b$850c21c0$01faabd4@tin.it> From: "Amleto" To: Subject: Other fault of the rc-20 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:37:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've noticed, and maybe i remember to have read something about this in this newsletter, that the rc-20 needs that the first sound you record in a loop be not shorter than 1,5 sec or 2. If you record 1,5 sec or 2 , pressing left pedal, recording and then pressing again to playback, it's ok, but if you need the first sound shorter it's impossible, when you press the second time the pedal rec will continue till circa 3 sec from the first pressing. And so the sound will have a silence at the end and this is impossible to avoid. I think it is really annoying and really ununderstandable... Well, you have a possibility: that short sound you want to loop you can produce it more than one time, till 1.5 or 2 sec. But if you are not a yoga master and don't remeber your first life your ability to feel the rithm and control your muscles to use pedal and instruments will never be enough to avoid a littl sign that create no more the repetition of that single sound but the repetition of a pattern of many of that sound. I have to use many words but i hope to be clear... Ah, when you use tap tempo it is true that pich doesn't change, but sound quality yes. Worse. I have to become reach i fear. I need a laptop... Well, hope in bingo... Yours Sergio From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 15:49:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11322; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:41:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:41:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c2900c$0e1723c0$302e2697@server> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <20021119202410.34576.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Repeater compatible card discontinued Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:41:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Memorex works well...IN MONO and when it wants to work... I have one and it is worse than the sandisk. I'll have to run to buy a pair of the Intenso 64Mb... I have tried it and they work well... Ciao Luigi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louie Angulo" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 9:24 PM Subject: Repeater compatible card discontinued > I just attempted to order a Simpletech compact flash > card from america at Frys electronics and they said > they have been discontinued. In europe there are only > the Sandisk ones but although the manual recomends > them they don´t seem to work.Anybody know if the > Memorex will work? > or which ones? > thanx > L.a > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 16:00:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12539; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:52:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:52:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021119205223.12878.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:52:23 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE THREAD TITLE WHEN THE SUBJECT OF THE THREAD CHANGES SIGNIFICANTLY To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021119120546.0387c008@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim wrote: > I don't understand the problem you are having. As far as I can tell the > subjects of the individual posts are appearing in the digest contents > exactly as they are in the posts. And in the individual posts the subject > line is left intact. Yes. That's what he's complaining about. People are changing the subject in the text of the message without changing the subject line of the post. It's not the list server, it's us. We reply to a message and then write something that doesn't follow the subject line we left on there from the previous message, thereby invalidating any threading potential based on the subject. I've noticed this happening from WAY back. On this list, you absolutely have to read EVERY post, or you will miss something useful. We notoriously rathole discussions, and it's not infrequent when something really useful shows up in a message with a Subject line that you'd never guess would contain anything like that. It's tough to keep up sometimes, and even tougher when you know if you don't read the messages you'll probably miss something you really wanted to know. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 16:02:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14305; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:01:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:01:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c2900e$d0c66500$01faabd4@tin.it> From: "Amleto" To: References: <20021119205223.12878.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE THREAD TITLE WHEN THE SUBJECT OF THE THREAD CHANGES SIGNIFICANTLY Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 22:01:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <7ZSLQ.A.1dD.zZq29@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mmm, yes, it's true, when you receive a lot of messages and you have to read all of them because thy can contein something different from the titlem it's hard. I'm new to the concept of newsletter, thi is my second one. The onther was about gentle giant, one of my favourite progressive rock goups, maybe my favourite after soft machine (only because i love a lot robert wyatt). Well, on my side i will do my best to follow the title and to write another email if i want to say something different. As i did not till now... Ciao ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 9:52 PM Subject: Re: A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE THREAD TITLE WHEN THE SUBJECT OF THE THREAD CHANGES SIGNIFICANTLY > Kim wrote: > > > I don't understand the problem you are having. As far as I can tell the > > subjects of the individual posts are appearing in the digest contents > > exactly as they are in the posts. And in the individual posts the subject > > line is left intact. > > Yes. That's what he's complaining about. People are changing the subject in the > text of the message without changing the subject line of the post. It's not the > list server, it's us. We reply to a message and then write something that doesn't > follow the subject line we left on there from the previous message, thereby > invalidating any threading potential based on the subject. > > I've noticed this happening from WAY back. On this list, you absolutely have to > read EVERY post, or you will miss something useful. We notoriously rathole > discussions, and it's not infrequent when something really useful shows up in a > message with a Subject line that you'd never guess would contain anything like > that. It's tough to keep up sometimes, and even tougher when you know if you > don't read the messages you'll probably miss something you really wanted to know. > > Greg > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 16:04:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14481; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:03:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:03:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021119210150.1336.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:01:50 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Repeater compatible card discontinued To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20021119202410.34576.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8vd2k.A.WgD.Obq29@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Louie Angulo wrote: > I just attempted to order a Simpletech compact flash > card from america at Frys electronics and they said > they have been discontinued. I think they told you wrong. The Simpletech cards are readily available at other vendors. Perhaps Frys has stopped carrying them, but you can still buy them from places like amazon.com. (128mb is $47, 256 is $74 with a $20 mailin rebate). > In europe there are only > the Sandisk ones but although the manual recomends > them they don´t seem to work.Anybody know if the > Memorex will work? The only ones that I've ever heard about working reliably in stereo are the Simpletech cards. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 16:05:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14704; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:05:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:05:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.92.18.138] From: "R Ferguson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-20: I've got it and i already scream... Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:03:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2002 21:03:08.0382 (UTC) FILETIME=[0FCD57E0:01C2900F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually, I use the memory quite a bit sometimes when I'm practicing and I'm particularily happy with a certain bit of what i'm playing, i'll save it so that i can go back at a later date and try and figure out what i did.. i also used the 'advance' function in live performance before... and on the rare occasion that i play live i usually save a loop to play while i'm setting up and tearing down... On Tuesday, November 19, 2002, at 07:06 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: I have to confess: I've had my RC-20 for about a year and a half, use it very often for real-time on-the-fly looping, and I've NEVER ONCE used any of the storage settings. Is that true for any of the rest of you? _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 16:35:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16214; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:29:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:29:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021119132446.03c3a638@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:31:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE THREAD TITLE WHEN THE SUBJECT OF THE THREAD CHANGES SIGNIFICANTLY In-Reply-To: <20021119205223.12878.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021119120546.0387c008@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <2LFu4C.A.E8D.Q0q29@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:52 PM 11/19/2002, Greg House wrote: >Kim wrote: > > I don't understand the problem you are having. As far as I can tell the > > subjects of the individual posts are appearing in the digest contents > > exactly as they are in the posts. And in the individual posts the subject > > line is left intact. > >Yes. That's what he's complaining about. People are changing the subject >in the >text of the message without changing the subject line of the post. It's >not the >list server, it's us. We reply to a message and then write something that >doesn't >follow the subject line we left on there from the previous message, thereby >invalidating any threading potential based on the subject. No no, I understood that problem fine. Rick was describing two issues. That one plus a technical problem where the poster DOES change the subject, yet for some reason Rick sees the old subject anyway. Notice how in my mail I edited out all the stuff related to people who don't change the subject, and left in just the stuff related to the technical thing? I thought that would make it clear what I was replying to.... (that's another skill some of you need to work on, editing the original post to just the related points, instead of recopying the whole damn thing to write two lines on the top....what a waste of bandwidth that is.) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 17:33:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21196; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:23:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:23:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:23:04 +0100 Subject: Re: RC-20: I've got it and i already scream... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <01ae01c28fff$96caa2d0$3ba35e82@audiows> Message-Id: <79027990-FC0D-11D6-B9A5-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, November 19, 2002, at 08:12 PM, David Auker wrote: > This is probably the dumb question of the day (hey, I didn't see my > meteors > last night!), but here goes: > > What is a "storage setting" on Repeater? The storage for individual loops. I only ever use one memory space, which gets deleted at the end of each performance. I never use any more.... -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 17:33:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21458; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:28:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:28:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Looptalk@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.3190ddf1.2b0c14cd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:27:25 EST Subject: Visual Graphics - Playstation 1 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 45 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA21422 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is anyone familiar with the graphics generated from a Sony® PS1 when it plays an audio CD. If not, here is the plot, By playing an audio CD and the PS1 generates great visual effects onto the TV screen, based on the frequencies of the music. Similar to an MP3 plug-in. The limitation is that the effects are dependent to the PS1's CD playback-the PS1 does not have an audio input jack. My question is, can we adapt a $50 playstation with a stereo input jack so it hears our music and generates these graphics during our live shows. Todd Quincy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 17:35:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21672; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:32:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:32:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021119223142.98561.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:31:42 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Buchla To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Tom Ritchford wrote: > I played with Charles Cohen and he is amazing. You can hear the results at: > > http://www.tomritchford.com/music/ Excellent material, Tom! (and the other songs too) Thanks for sharing! Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 17:35:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21552; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:30:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:30:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021119222954.47145.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:29:54 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE THREAD TITLE WHEN THE SUBJECT OF THE THREAD CHANGES SIGNIFICANTLY To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021119132446.03c3a638@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Kim Flint wrote: > No no, I understood that problem fine. Rick was describing two issues. That > one plus a technical problem where the poster DOES change the subject, yet > for some reason Rick sees the old subject anyway. I guess I didn't notice that. It all looked like the same complaint to me. Sorry... We DO need to work on making the subject line match the content though! I've never seen the subject not change when I changed it on a post myself. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 17:41:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22202; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:38:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:38:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <79027990-FC0D-11D6-B9A5-0003934B4712@solostring.com> References: <79027990-FC0D-11D6-B9A5-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:37:09 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: RC-20: I've got it and i already scream... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The storage for individual loops. I only ever use one memory space, >which gets deleted at the end of each performance. I never use any >more.... >-- >Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com whereas I have never erased a single loop on my Repeater... I have every loop that I have ever made on a 128 meg card /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 18:49:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27371; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:47:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:47:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005501c29026$609798e0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <5b.3190ddf1.2b0c14cd@aol.com> Subject: Re: Visual Graphics - Playstation 1 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:50:00 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <_jCMt.A.7qG.z1s29@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 22:27:PM Subject: Visual Graphics - Playstation 1 > Is anyone familiar with the graphics generated from a Sony® PS1 when it plays > an audio CD. If not, here is the plot, By playing an audio CD and the PS1 > generates great visual effects onto the TV screen, based on the frequencies > of the music. Similar to an MP3 plug-in. > > The limitation is that the effects are dependent to the PS1's CD playback-the > PS1 does not have an audio input jack. > > My question is, can we adapt a $50 playstation with a stereo input jack so it > hears our music and generates these graphics during our live shows. Somewhere along the signal path there must be a place to place inputs. Have you looked inside the bugger yet? S.P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 18:51:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27625; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:51:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:51:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: <145.30ecfd7.2b0c285a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:50:50 EST Subject: Re: [Loopyloop]Re: A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE THREAD TITLE WHEN THE SUBJECT OF ... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_145.30ecfd7.2b0c285a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 8.0 for Windows US sub 230 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_145.30ecfd7.2b0c285a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I myself use aol... i just created this screen name specifically for LD and do not give the address anywhere else... --part1_145.30ecfd7.2b0c285a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I myself use aol... i just created this screen name specifically for LD and do not give the address anywhere else... --part1_145.30ecfd7.2b0c285a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 19:17:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30274; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:14:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:14:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004d01c29005$11470b20$57b507d5@laptop> From: "Leander Reininghaus" To: References: <145.30ecfd7.2b0c285a@aol.com> Subject: Starscapes Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:51:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003E_01C2900D.64E68A00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C2900D.64E68A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, if anyone would like to listen online ( w/real player ) to some spacy = ambient loop music called STARSCAPES, inspired by the fascinating images = taken by the Hubble telescope, please try: =20 www.editionrahe.de/EDRA/music/BarnardsLoop.ram if someone might be interested in more, there is ! I would maybe put mp3s as well ... cheers Leander ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C2900D.64E68A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there,
 
if anyone would like to = listen online=20 ( w/real player ) to some spacy ambient loop music called STARSCAPES, = inspired=20 by the fascinating images taken by the Hubble telescope, please=20 try:
 
www.editio= nrahe.de/EDRA/music/BarnardsLoop.ram
 
if someone might = be interested=20 in more, there is !
 
I would maybe put mp3s = as well=20 ...
 
 
cheers
 
Leander
------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C2900D.64E68A00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 19:48:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA32267; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:45:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:45:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004601c29009$4778ce00$d7b407d5@laptop> From: "Leander Reininghaus" To: Subject: Starscapes Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:21:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01C29011.94A6D340" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C29011.94A6D340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there again, forgot to say: live recorded/string generated/chordal = layered/spacy/ambient/loop/music called STARSCAPES ... cheers Leander ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C29011.94A6D340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there again,
 
forgot to = say: live=20 recorded/string generated/chordal layered/spacy/ambient/loop/music = called=20 STARSCAPES ... <smile>
 
cheers
 
Leander
------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C29011.94A6D340-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 19:50:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA32425; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:47:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:47:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <5b.3190ddf1.2b0c14cd@aol.com> <005501c29026$609798e0$0201a8c0@eluk> Subject: Re: Visual Graphics - Playstation 1 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:48:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2002 00:46:32.0131 (UTC) FILETIME=[450F2130:01C2902E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > My question is, can we adapt a $50 playstation with a stereo input jack so > it > > hears our music and generates these graphics during our live shows. > > Somewhere along the signal path there must be a place to place inputs. Have > you looked inside the bugger yet? Unless its using the digital data straight from the cd, which is much more likely. My gut feeling would be that you won't be able to easily wire an external input in, but you'd better look inside the bugger first... Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 21:15:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08039; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:09:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:09:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d801c29039$a5a9cee0$c664f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200211192351.SAA27681@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: I've located a source for SimpleTech CFC cards for the REPEATER Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:07:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: <0L3U2C.A.L9B.u6u29@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I read with dismay that Simple Tech has discontinued their CFC cards that work with the Repeater and got online immediately and found the cheapest prices for both 128 and 256 cards at www.tapeandmedia.com I bought 2 128 cards for $50.99 each (plus shipping) just to be safe. Buy them while you can Repeater users. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 21:21:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08517; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:16:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:16:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010301c2903a$9daf27c0$c664f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200211192351.SAA27681@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: REQUEST to PLEASE RENAME your post if it changes the THREAD SUBJECT Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:14:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: <5nqOND.A.fEC.OBv29@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for all the advice Richard, Kim and everybody. My prime motive for posting originally, however, was to specifically ask people to please CHANGE THE NAME OF THE THREAD if the the content of your post changes from the original. It would just make it much more efficient to read the digest (which I want to keep recieving for reasons that I just don't feel like explaining). If everyone's not into it...........so be it.......I just wanted to make the request. thanks all........Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 19 21:40:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09636; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:38:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:38:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: <97.30fca438.2b0c4f80@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:37:52 EST Subject: (artistic solicitation) my new mp3 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_97.30fca438.2b0c4f80_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 8.0 for Windows US sub 230 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_97.30fca438.2b0c4f80_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey everybody, GREGORY BRUCE CAMPBELL here, PLEASE go check out the beginnings of my new work in progress... I have a new track available on my site: www.mp3.com/freakwincing It is titled "after another" give it at least a COMPLETE lo-fi play... EVERY sound you hear on the tune comes off of my two nine string basses... thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.mp3.com/freakwincing www.mp3.com/kickstartchubby --part1_97.30fca438.2b0c4f80_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey everybody,

GREGORY BRUCE CAMPBELL here,

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www.mp3.com/kickstartchubby --part1_97.30fca438.2b0c4f80_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 01:06:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25773; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 01:00:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 01:00:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 00:55:12 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: OT: NYC, 11/20/2002 David Hykes and the Harmonic Choir To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Message-id: <002601c29059$64c64640$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_sLRWN7yzhaQ0C39nhaLIzw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_sLRWN7yzhaQ0C39nhaLIzw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Dear friends, We wanted to share with you the news about a very special Harmonic Choir evening concert this coming Wednesday, November 20th in New York city, right next to Ground Zero. Please forward this announcement to any friends, people, listings that you think may want to know. The concert will conclude with a Harmonic Chant for Peace with the whole audience... Thanks and blessings, Mickey Gibson and the Harmonique Centre team WNYC-fm and the World Financial Center present New Sounds Live at the Winter Garden John Schaefer hosts a very special concert by DAVID HYKES AND THE HARMONIC CHOIR, presenting the world premier of "The Silent Ground", on November 20th at 6:30 pm. New Sounds Live, hosted and curated by WNYC's John Schaefer, joins in celebrating the re-opening of the World Financial Center Winter Garden for this very special concert evening. The concert, which will be taped for future broadcast on WNYC, constitutes part of the recently revived arts series at the Winter Garden, the glass-encased centerpiece of the World Financial Center at 220 Vesey Street. The center, which was damaged on September 11, is celebrating its reopening with a broad range of outstanding cultural events. The New Sounds Live events represent the first live music performances to take place since the reopening. "We are bringing some remarkable music, some from other parts of the world and some perhaps from other worlds entirely, to the Winter Garden," says John Schaefer. "It is quite simply one of the most special places in New York, and to hear this beautiful atrium resonating with music is an extraordinary experience." David Hykes and the Harmonic Choir Wednesday, November 20 at 6:30pm World Financial Center Winter Garden David Hykes has created a new form of ancient/contemporary sacred music, the Harmonic Chant, similar to chanting techniques developed by Tibetan monks and Mongolian and Tuvan nomads that allow them to sing low and high notes simultaneously. Joined by his groundbreaking ensemble, The Harmonic Choir, he uses the new resources of Harmonic Chant to create otherworldly compositions that explore the normally untapped resonances of the human voice. The one-time New York-based ensemble, now residing in France, brings together the West and the East in the exploration of natural harmonics, the "DNA of all musical sounds". The choir is celebrating the 20th anniversary of their landmark recording Hearing Solar Winds, which brought the world of "harmonic music" to many Western listeners for the first time. They will present the world premiere of "The Silent Ground". Admission is free. For information, call (212) 945-0505 or visit the World Financial Center Web site. --Boundary_(ID_sLRWN7yzhaQ0C39nhaLIzw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Dear friends,

We wanted to share with you the news about
a very special Harmonic Choir evening concert this coming Wednesday,
November 20th in New York city, right next to Ground Zero.  Please forward
this announcement to any friends, people, listings that you think may want
to know.  The concert will conclude with a Harmonic Chant for Peace with the
whole audience...

Thanks and blessings,

Mickey Gibson and the Harmonique Centre team


WNYC-fm and the World Financial Center present
New Sounds Live at  the Winter Garden

John Schaefer hosts  a very special concert  by DAVID HYKES AND THE HARMONIC
CHOIR, presenting the world premier of "The Silent Ground", on November 20th
at 6:30 pm.

New Sounds Live, hosted and curated by WNYC's John Schaefer, joins in
celebrating the re-opening of the World Financial Center Winter Garden for
this very special concert  evening. The concert, which will be taped for
future broadcast on WNYC, constitutes part of the recently revived arts
series at the Winter Garden, the glass-encased centerpiece of the
World Financial Center at 220 Vesey Street.

The center, which was damaged on September 11, is celebrating its reopening
with a broad range of outstanding cultural events. The New Sounds Live events
represent the first live music performances to take place since the
reopening. "We are bringing some remarkable music, some from other
parts of the world and some perhaps from other worlds entirely, to
the Winter Garden," says John Schaefer. "It is
quite simply one of the most special places in New York, and to hear this
beautiful atrium resonating with music is an extraordinary experience."

David Hykes and the Harmonic Choir
Wednesday, November 20 at 6:30pm
World Financial Center Winter Garden
David Hykes has created a new form of ancient/contemporary sacred music, the
Harmonic Chant, similar to chanting techniques developed by Tibetan monks
and
Mongolian and Tuvan  nomads that allow them to sing low and high notes
simultaneously. Joined by his groundbreaking ensemble, The Harmonic Choir,
he uses the new resources of Harmonic Chant to create otherworldly
compositions that explore the normally untapped resonances of the human
voice. The one-time New York-based ensemble, now residing in France, brings
together the West and the East in the exploration of natural harmonics, the
"DNA of all musical sounds". The choir is celebrating the 20th anniversary
of their landmark recording Hearing Solar Winds, which brought the world of
"harmonic music" to many Western listeners for the first time.  They will
present the world premiere of  "The Silent Ground".

Admission is free. For information, call (212) 945-0505 or visit the World
Financial Center Web site.
 

--Boundary_(ID_sLRWN7yzhaQ0C39nhaLIzw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 01:32:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27344; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 01:29:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 01:29:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 00:21:29 -0600 Subject: digitech rds triggering solutions? | midi to cv converters? | help! From: adam To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello. I've searched everywhere for an answer to this Digitech RDS setup question. I have an alesis SR-16 midi drum machine which I would like to use to sync/trigger the following loopers: (3) Digitech RDS 8000 delay/samplers (2) Digitech RDS 7.6 delay/samplers (1) Digitech PDS 8000 delay/sampler from what i understand the devices use a +5volt input to trigger/sync. is there a" midi to a +5 volt pulse" converter that can read midi info from my Alesis SR-16. Let me know if you know of any product/products that can tackle these duties. I'd love to have 6-8 triggers for expansion and flexibilty. I'm also curious to know what the rest of you are using to trigger these older RDS devices with? any suggestions? pitfalls? triumphs? For my live thing I would like some devices triggered at an 16 count, some at 8 counts, and some at 4 count. thanks adam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 01:59:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29063; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 01:56:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 01:56:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000101c28ff2$6a334e00$60c987d9@GarethWhittock> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:02:04 -0800 To: From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: fcb1010 question Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The fcb1010 allows you to send up to 5 program changes, 2 damper style continuous controller changes (on/off), and 2 cc pedal commands for the onboard pedals for each patch (preset as they call it). There are 10 banks of 10 presets, numbered 00-09. If the effects device you are intending to use with it has decent cc and midi implementation, the fcb1010 will work nicely. Its cheap, and deep, but be prepared to use all your code breaking skills, as the manual is cryptic, to say the least. I use one with a Repeater and I have logged many hours of programming and a few cathartic moments of screaming and cursing getting the fcb1010 to do what I want it to do. I must say it was worth the time and effort. Good luck. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 02:09:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA31167; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 02:08:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 02:08:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:05:58 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: RC-20: I've got it and i already scream... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DDB3455.6D64A2AB@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, I admit it. I thought the Repeater's ability to keep loops would be a good thing, but I've only used it a few times. When I want to keep a loop, I'm much more inclined to just use Digital Performer. Mark Sottilaro "Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project)" wrote: > On Tuesday, November 19, 2002, at 07:06 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: > > > I have to confess: I've had my RC-20 for about a year > > and a half, use it very often for real-time on-the-fly > > looping, and I've NEVER ONCE used any of the storage > > settings. > > > > Is that true for any of the rest of you? > > Actually, embarrassingly enough, the same is true for myself and the > Repeater :) > > -- > Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 02:13:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA31412; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 02:12:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 02:12:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:10:00 -0800 From: Mark Subject: storage setting on the Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DDB3548.6D72FEB9@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <01ae01c28fff$96caa2d0$3ba35e82@audiows> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Repeater has 8 meg of volatile (ram) memory, and a slot for Smartmedia cards (up to 129 meg, but it comes with 16) What goes on the Smartmedia cards persists until you delete it. Mark Sottilaro David Auker wrote: > Stuart, > > This is probably the dumb question of the day (hey, I didn't see my meteors > last night!), but here goes: > > What is a "storage setting" on Repeater? > > David A > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project)" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 10:44 AM > Subject: Re: RC-20: I've got it and i already scream... > > > > > On Tuesday, November 19, 2002, at 07:06 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: > > > > > I have to confess: I've had my RC-20 for about a year > > > and a half, use it very often for real-time on-the-fly > > > looping, and I've NEVER ONCE used any of the storage > > > settings. > > > > > > Is that true for any of the rest of you? > > > > Actually, embarrassingly enough, the same is true for myself and the > > Repeater :) > > > > -- > > Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 02:16:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA31321; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 02:10:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 02:10:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021120071037.17707.qmail@web12308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:10:37 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Fantastic Planet To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200211191902.OAA01572@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> Oh YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!! One of my all time favorite movies. I used to see it on Night Flight back in the mid 80's, on the USA Network. I was lucky enough to see it at a theatre here in Cleveland about 3 or 4 years ago. They showed the subtitled version, which was a nice change of pace from the awful VHS copy I have of the dubbed version, which was apparently what was released here in the US. My old VHS copy was probably a bootleg, which my mom and I found in a Woolworth's back around 88 or 89, maybe a little later. I say it's probably a bootleg because it was done at EP/SLP speed, instead of SP (as VHS tapes usually are done), and they used an AWFUL print, there are some really bad edits, like the film had been damaged, and rather than try to find a better print they just went with what they had. I dunno if that's how the movie was first released in the US (I believe Roger Corman's film company is identified as the US distributors at the start of the opening credits). Thankfully, around the time I saw the movie in the theatre (which would have been 98 or 99, I think), it was reissued on VHS, with a pair of Rene Laloux's earlier animated films tacked on as bonus material. You could get it either in dubbed or subtitled forms. I chose the subtitled version. And eventually, I also came across the soundtrack CD, which I also have. BTW, Fantastic Planet is worth watching for the sound effects used in various scenes, which I think could fall into the category of "electronic music". ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 02:25:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA31985; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 02:25:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 02:25:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:23:04 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: Repeater compatible card discontinued To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DDB3858.CBE45C57@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20021119210150.1336.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone used a Simpletech 256? Do they record in stereo reliably? Greg House wrote: > but you can still buy them from > places like amazon.com. (128mb is $47, 256 is $74 with a $20 mailin rebate). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 02:49:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA00424; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 02:48:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 02:48:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: RE: RC-20: I've got it and i already scream.../loop storage Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:48:47 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c29069$42530ca0$6401a8c0@om> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3DDB3455.6D64A2AB@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can offer a different sentiment- I rely heavily on the CFC storage- I find the immediate storage a godsend when the last thing I want to do is turn on the computer. I think cathode rays zap my creative headspace more often than not. I also enjoy reviewing past ideas/parts and being able jump right back into it and sync it up any way I want etc- Of course this can all be done in software too- but I prefer not- esp in the early stages of song creation. When using the EDP I reach for my MD recorder first and software last if at all. I have tried using the computer as a sketch pad of sorts in the past and I much prefer MD or Repeater- just today I grabbed a disc of misc ideas and listened at work- I will use the computer as more of a final stage in song creation. Cliff PS- This is a good thread to ask- who changes the topic and when? Gets a bit murky IMO- -----Original Message----- From: Mark [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 11:06 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-20: I've got it and i already scream... OK, I admit it. I thought the Repeater's ability to keep loops would be a good thing, but I've only used it a few times. When I want to keep a loop, I'm much more inclined to just use Digital Performer. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 03:57:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA08101; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 03:55:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 03:55:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021120085352.47979.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 00:53:52 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Repeater-Max Loop with Min CFC To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8zf7V.A.p9B.A3029@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I seem to recall someone saying that 8 minutes is the longest possible loop time on the Repeater. What is the minimum meg requirement to achieve the 8 min mark? Thanks! John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 04:23:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10752; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 04:23:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 04:23:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <16.288febb5.2b0cae4f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 04:22:23 EST Subject: Re: Poor loopers-zoom 2100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > plus the 5 sec samples relied on you keeping your > > foot on the button to activate > > would it be possible to change the switches so that they would be > latching?.....michael You'd have to replace the switches with latching ones. The big plastic "switches" that you see press onto small pressure switches on the circuit board. Or perhaps easier to put latching switches in parallel with the current ones, because you need the non-latching ones to get full functionality on the patch changes. Or work out some sort or mechanical way of holding the existing switches in place. Or you can remove the spring from the existing switch, making it far easier to hold it down. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 04:33:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA11197; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 04:32:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 04:32:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <59.24ad34c4.2b0cb06f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 04:31:27 EST Subject: Re: some other thread not this one To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > and it's not infrequent when something really useful shows up in a > message with a Subject line that you'd never guess would contain anything > like > that. yep, one of the "greatest EDP posts ever", which was Andre's first post about the EDP bug which became loop windowing in loop 4 had the following subject:- Re: UNSUBSCRIBE andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 04:48:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA11939; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 04:47:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 04:47:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <15e.1758d3a8.2b0cb432@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 04:47:30 EST Subject: Re: Visual Graphics - Playstation 1 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > My question is, can we adapt a $50 playstation with a stereo input jack so it > hears our music and generates these graphics during our live shows. > > Todd Quincy Great idea, but because the graphics will be generated from the audio while it is still in digital format I don't think it's possible( at least, not without great expense and much research) You'd have to add a D/A converter at least. (and a $3000 projector ;-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 04:54:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA12421; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 04:53:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 04:53:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021120095247.97316.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 01:52:47 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: digitech rds triggering solutions? | midi to cv converters? | help! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <4BMmyD.A.2BD.Ou129@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- adam wrote: > hello. > > I've searched everywhere for an answer to this > Digitech RDS setup question. > I have an alesis SR-16 midi drum machine which I > would like to use to > sync/trigger the following loopers: > > (3) Digitech RDS 8000 delay/samplers > (2) Digitech RDS 7.6 delay/samplers > (1) Digitech PDS 8000 delay/sampler > Well, I have a Digi RDS 7.6, I have an SR-16, & I have a JKJ CV-5 midi/cv converter. Unfortunately, I have the SR-16 slaved to my EDP, I don't use the sampler mode on the RDS 7.6, & I use the CV-5 for LFO modulation of the RDS delay. See if you can find an online manual for the JKJ CV-5 or the Kenton Pro Solo. The answer to your question may lie there. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 07:57:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24439; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 07:54:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 07:54:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ca01c29093$891bfbe0$d7b407d5@laptop> From: "Leander Reininghaus" To: References: Subject: Re: digitech rds triggering solutions? | midi to cv converters? |help! Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:50:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C2909B.D975C5A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C2909B.D975C5A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Adam, long time ago I had a RDS 7.6 and ( as far as I remember ) it *did* = sync to the output of a metronome, if that might help ... what I also did was, using the LED of the RDS as a metronome ( the = other way round, sotosay ) You know, it blinks 8 times a circle. I installed a 1/4 jack and connected the two poles of the LED to it in = parallell.=20 so, with headphones connected to the jack, I would hear 8 knacks per = cycle. Worked quite well, but I never tried to trigger other machines with = this signal ... cheers Leander hello.=20 I've searched everywhere for an answer to this Digitech RDS setup = question. I have an alesis SR-16 midi drum machine which I would like to use to sync/trigger the following loopers: (3) Digitech RDS 8000 delay/samplers (2) Digitech RDS 7.6 delay/samplers (1) Digitech PDS 8000 delay/sampler from what i understand the devices use a +5volt input to trigger/sync. = is there a" midi to a +5 volt pulse" converter that can read midi info = from my Alesis SR-16.=20 Let me know if you know of any product/products that can tackle these duties. I'd love to have 6-8 triggers for expansion and flexibilty. = I'm also curious to know what the rest of you are using to trigger these older = RDS devices with? any suggestions? pitfalls? triumphs? For my live thing I would like some devices triggered at an 16 count, = some at 8 counts, and some at 4 count. thanks adam ------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C2909B.D975C5A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Adam,
 
long time ago I had a = RDS 7.6 and (=20 as far as I remember ) it *did* sync to the output of a metronome, if = that=20 might help ...
what I also did was, = using the LED=20 of the RDS as a metronome ( the other way round, sotosay = )
You know, it blinks 8 = times a=20 circle.
I installed a 1/4 = jack and=20 connected the two poles of the LED to it in parallell.
so, with headphones = connected to=20 the jack, I would hear 8 knacks per cycle.
Worked quite well, = but I never=20 tried to trigger other machines with this signal ...
 
cheers
 
Leander
 
 
 
 
hello.

I've searched everywhere for an answer to this = Digitech=20 RDS setup question.
I have an alesis SR-16 midi drum machine which = I would=20 like to use to
sync/trigger the following loopers:

(3) = Digitech RDS=20 8000 delay/samplers
(2) Digitech RDS 7.6 delay/samplers
(1) = Digitech PDS=20 8000 delay/sampler

from what i understand the devices use a = +5volt=20 input to trigger/sync. is
there a" midi to a +5 volt pulse" = converter that=20 can read midi info from my
Alesis SR-16.

Let me know if you = know of=20 any product/products that can tackle these
duties. I'd love to have = 6-8=20 triggers for expansion and flexibilty. I'm also
curious to know = what the=20 rest of you are using to trigger these older RDS
devices with? any=20 suggestions? pitfalls? triumphs?

For my live thing I would like = some=20 devices triggered at an 16 count, some
at 8 counts, and some at 4=20 count.

thanks

adam
------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C2909B.D975C5A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 08:20:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA26995; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:15:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:15:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d201c29096$b1a3ee80$d7b407d5@laptop> From: "Leander Reininghaus" To: References: Subject: Re: digitech rds triggering solutions? | midi to cv converters? |help! Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:13:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CF_01C2909F.0DFA4320" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CF_01C2909F.0DFA4320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Adam, with search: "midi to 5v pulse" I found ( among others ) the following = link in Google, which might be interesting: http://www.synthesizers.com/q104.html cheers again leander hello.=20 I've searched everywhere for an answer to this Digitech RDS setup = question. I have an alesis SR-16 midi drum machine which I would like to use to sync/trigger the following loopers: (3) Digitech RDS 8000 delay/samplers (2) Digitech RDS 7.6 delay/samplers (1) Digitech PDS 8000 delay/sampler from what i understand the devices use a +5volt input to trigger/sync. = is there a" midi to a +5 volt pulse" converter that can read midi info = from my Alesis SR-16.=20 Let me know if you know of any product/products that can tackle these duties. I'd love to have 6-8 triggers for expansion and flexibilty. = I'm also curious to know what the rest of you are using to trigger these older = RDS devices with? any suggestions? pitfalls? triumphs? For my live thing I would like some devices triggered at an 16 count, = some at 8 counts, and some at 4 count. thanks adam ------=_NextPart_000_00CF_01C2909F.0DFA4320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Adam,
 
with search: "midi to = 5v pulse" I=20 found ( among others ) the following link in Google, which might be=20 interesting:
 
http://www.synthesizers.co= m/q104.html
 

cheers = again
 
leander
 
hello.

I've searched everywhere for an answer = to this=20 Digitech RDS setup question.
I have an alesis SR-16 midi drum = machine which=20 I would like to use to
sync/trigger the following = loopers:

(3)=20 Digitech RDS 8000 delay/samplers
(2) Digitech RDS 7.6 = delay/samplers
(1)=20 Digitech PDS 8000 delay/sampler
from what i understand the devices = use a=20 +5volt input to trigger/sync. is
there a" midi to a +5 volt pulse"=20 converter that can read midi info from my
Alesis SR-16.

Let = me know=20 if you know of any product/products that can tackle these
duties. = I'd love=20 to have 6-8 triggers for expansion and flexibilty. I'm also
curious = to know=20 what the rest of you are using to trigger these older RDS
devices = with? any=20 suggestions? pitfalls? triumphs?

For my live thing I would like = some=20 devices triggered at an 16 count, some
at 8 counts, and some at 4=20 count.

thanks

adam
------=_NextPart_000_00CF_01C2909F.0DFA4320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 10:03:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03072; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:59:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:59:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8c.21433231.2b0beda3@aol.com> References: <8c.21433231.2b0beda3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:51:37 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: Poor loopers-zoom 2100/switches Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1174318594==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1174318594==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" i didn't keep my zoom 2100 long enough (i had it about a month-it didn't work very well w/ my setup). i'm not very mechanical or technical, but the buttons seemed a bit flimsy to me, and i'm not sure of the process to switch them to a different (latching) switch. to me, the time/effort it would take to do such a thing would seem to be waste, i think the zoom should be taken for what it is, discontinued and a decent budget looper. the effort in adding a new switch could be better spent in buying a looper that fit your needs (in my estimation). s--- ps--it's too bad that zoom didn't develop the 2100 further to maybe compete w/ the boss loop station, line 6's dl4,etc. i think it's a good idea, but they tried to do too much, a multi-effects pedal that had longer delays/sample/loop capabilities. to me the pedal was just too plasctic-y for long-time use. >In a message dated 11/18/02 9:42:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, >scott-a-hansen@uiowa.edu writes: > >>plus the 5 sec samples relied on you keeping your >>foot on the button to activate >> > > >would it be possible to change the switches so that they would be >latching?.....michael -- --============_-1174318594==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Poor loopers-zoom 2100/switches
i didn't keep my zoom 2100 long enough (i had it about a month-it didn't
work very well w/ my setup).
i'm not very mechanical or technical, but the buttons seemed a bit
flimsy to me, and i'm not sure of the process to switch them to
a different (latching) switch.
to me, the time/effort it would take to do such a thing would seem
to be waste, i think the zoom should be taken for what it is,
discontinued and a decent budget looper. the effort in adding a
new switch could be better spent in buying a looper that fit your needs
(in my estimation).
s---
ps--it's too bad that zoom didn't develop the 2100 further to maybe
compete w/ the boss loop station, line 6's dl4,etc. i think it's
a good idea, but they tried to do too much, a multi-effects pedal
that had longer delays/sample/loop capabilities. to me the pedal was
just too plasctic-y for long-time use.


In a message dated 11/18/02 9:42:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, scott-a-hansen@uiowa.edu writes:
plus the 5 sec samples relied on you keeping your
foot on the button to activate



would it be possible to change the switches so that they would be latching?.....michael


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--============_-1174318594==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 10:05:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03354; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:03:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:03:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c290a7$8f51b4f0$41a55e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: <01ae01c28fff$96caa2d0$3ba35e82@audiows> <3DDB3548.6D72FEB9@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: storage setting on the Repeater Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 07:14:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, I am hip to the loop storage (and use it frequently)...I was thinking that "storage setting" was some setting of an operational parameter that I was missing! I enjoy copying loops to the next loop number, and working changes there (and in further loop numbers) to allow experimentation whilst preserving the original idea. (I also 'enjoy' deleting loops that, upon listening to later, don't turn out to sound quite as good as I may have thought! Sometimes the original spontaneity of evolution successfully unfolds the musical idea, that a later listen might not capture :-) David A. > The Repeater has 8 meg of volatile (ram) memory, and a slot for Smartmedia > cards (up to 129 meg, but it comes with 16) What goes on the Smartmedia cards > persists until you delete it. > > Mark Sottilaro > > David Auker wrote: > > > Stuart, > > > > This is probably the dumb question of the day (hey, I didn't see my meteors > > last night!), but here goes: > > > > What is a "storage setting" on Repeater? > > > > David A > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, November 19, 2002, at 07:06 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > I have to confess: I've had my RC-20 for about a year > > > > and a half, use it very often for real-time on-the-fly > > > > looping, and I've NEVER ONCE used any of the storage > > > > settings. > > > > > > > > Is that true for any of the rest of you? > > > > > > Actually, embarrassingly enough, the same is true for myself and the > > > Repeater :) > > > > > > -- > > > Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 10:14:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04011; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:12:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:12:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Re: storage setting on the Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.9b Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:11:51 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My storage does not seem to be working properly. Could someone tell me how they store their loops so I can see if I am just an idiot and am doing it wrong. : / thanks c. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 11:09:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08164; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:03:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:03:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: theweg@netzero.com X-Original-From: theweg@netzero.com Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:02:04 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Re: fcb1010 question X-Mailer: NetZero WebMail Version 1.0 Message-Id: <20021120.080247.2545.37849@webmail04.lax.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I programmed my FBC1010 recently and it works great! Here is my current layout for the EDP and the Repeater. I am still refining it and I'm sure that will take all winter. I love some of the new EDP functions, I can't seem to find enough exploring time!!! weg BANK 00 REPEATER MIDI 9 1 Record cc86 v127 2 Undo cc89 v127 3 Erase cc108 v123 4 Reverse cc84 v127 cc84 v0-1 5 Mltply lp cc102 v127 6 Feedback cc11 v127 cc84 v0-127 7 FX Inst cc103 v16 cc103 v0-1 8 TRK Sel 1/2 cc90 v127 9 TRK Sel 3/4 cc91 v127 10Stop cc87 v127 BANK01 REPEATER 1 Record cc86 v=127 2 Undo cc89 v=127 VOL cc110 v=0-127 3 Pitch cc28 v=12 4 Play/Stop cc88 v=127 5 Tap Temp cc68 v=127 6 Trk Sel 1 cc80 v=127 TkVol 1 cc16 v=0-127 7 Trk Sel 2 cc81 v=127 TkVol 2 cc17 v=0-127 8 Trk Sel 3 cc82 v=127 TkVol 3 cc18 v=0-127 9 Trk Sel 4 cc83 v=127 TkVol 4 cc19 v=0-127 10DryMute cc107 v=127 (on) BANK 02 REPEATER 1 RecRep cc86 v127 2 Undorp cc89 v127 3 Rev cc84 v127 4 Play cc85 v127 5 Stop cc87 v127 6 RecEdp n38 7 Undo n43 8 Rev n49 9 Overdb n39 10 Mute n42 EDP MIDI 8 Fdbk #1 v=00-127 VOL #7 v=00-127 BANK 05 BANK 06 1. QuantMidiStSong n76 1. Forward n68 2. MuteQuantMidiStSong n77 2. Reverse n69 3. Start Point n78 3. FullSpeed n70 4 QuantStartPoint n79 4. HalfSpeed n71 5 BeatTriggerSample n80 5. PlaySample n72 6 MidiBeatSync n81 6. Retrigger n73 7 SUStoggle speed n60 7. Realign n74 8 Overdub n39 8. Muterealign n75 9 Undo n42 9. Undo n42 10 Record n38 10 Record n38 BANK 07 BANK 08 1 SUSSubst n58 1. Speed n48 2 SUSTogRev n59 2. Reverse n49 3 SUSTogSped n60 3. SUSRec n50 4 RestCurloop n61 4. SUSOvrdub n51 5 RestAllLoop n62 5. SUSRndMult n52 6 SUunrdMult n64 6. SUSRndInst n53 7 SUunrdInst n65 7. SUSMute n54 8 SUMutRtrg n66 8. ShortUndo n55 9 LongUndo n67 9. SUSNxtloop n56 10 Record n38 10SUSRplace n57 BANK 09 1 Record n38 Fdbk #1 v=00-127 2 Ovrdub n39 3 Multiply n40 4 Insert n41 5 Mute n42 6 Undo n43 7 Next n44 8 Replace n45 9 Substitute n46 10InsrtOnlyBtn n47 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 11:13:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08726; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:11:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:11:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c290b1$15379310$aba55e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: Subject: Re: storage setting on the Repeater Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:22:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Be sure to select a loop number that is on the CFC card, not Internal Memory. Internal: 1', 2', 3', Card: 1, 2, 3, The little hatch mark (') indicates Internal memory, and when you turn Repeater off, that memory vanishes, whereas Card memory remains (like Mark said: "The Repeater has 8 meg of volatile (ram) memory, and a slot for Smartmedia cards (up to 129 meg, but it comes with 16) What goes on the Smartmedia cards persists until you delete it." But you gotta select Card memory - twist that Loop dial to get there! Then "storage" is not an added step, it just remains there for you next time you power up. If you do make a loop on Internal Memory, and wish to keep it/store it, do a Loop Copy, once again, twist that dial to select a CFC destination! .David A. .A Twister. > My storage does not seem to be working properly. > Could someone tell me how they store their loops so I can > see if I am just an idiot and am doing it wrong. > : / > > thanks > c. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 11:14:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08970; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:14:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:14:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c290af$c026ccc0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: digitech rds triggering solutions? | midi to cv converters? |help! Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:13:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Adam, > from what i understand the devices use a +5volt input to trigger/sync. is > there a" midi to a +5 volt pulse" converter that can read midi info from my > Alesis SR-16. > > Let me know if you know of any product/products that can tackle these > duties. I'd love to have 6-8 triggers for expansion and flexibilty. I'm also > curious to know what the rest of you are using to trigger these older RDS > devices with? any suggestions? pitfalls? triumphs? DISCLAIMER: I don't have any of those items and have never tried trigger conversions. That said, I'd start with a MIDI-to-CV converter. If you're DIY inclined, look at the PAIA kit: http://www.paia.com/midi2cv.htm or for the non-DIYer, try this from Kenton: http://www.kentonuk.com/ or from Philip Rees: http://www.philrees.co.uk/products/miditocv.htm among others. Depending on the MIDI message that you're decoding, you may need to map it to another message which is understood by the MIDI-to-CV unit. The mapping can be performed by a variety of products. Check out MIDI Solutions for one: www.midisolutions.com Hope this helps. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 11:15:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08982; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:14:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:14:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021120161350.84545.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:13:50 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: CFC size To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200211200948.EAA11997@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8qsP9C.A.CMC.dT729@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There are a lot of posts dealing with CFC size for the Repeater in the last year. These "8 minute limit" and "128MB maximum cards" are ill informed posts. I have a 512MB card which is the largest that Electrix recommends, in fact they told me via a phone call that the larger cards were more stable than the smaller ones. Thus you have a better chance of the thing working in stereo with the maximum size. I have experienced one instance of the Repeater flipping out and exiting the record mode when I was doing stereo stuff, though I haven't been able to duplicate this issue yet. For the most part it works quite well. Plus I get a 96 minute loop... anybody wanna hear it? :) I hope I'm not compensating for anything with the size of my CFC... I seem to recall someone saying that 8 minutes is the longest possible loop time on the Repeater. What is the minimum meg requirement to achieve the 8 min mark? Thanks! John __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 11:21:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09610; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:19:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:19:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c290b2$2891afd0$aba55e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: <20021120161350.84545.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: CFC size Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:30:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ha! You ARE a big boii! > I hope I'm not compensating for anything with the size of my CFC... :~) Dav >Subject: CFC size > > There are a lot of posts dealing with CFC size for the Repeater in the last year. These "8 > minute limit" and "128MB maximum cards" are ill informed posts. I have a 512MB card which is the > largest that Electrix recommends, in fact they told me via a phone call that the larger cards were > more stable than the smaller ones. Thus you have a better chance of the thing working in stereo > with the maximum size. I have experienced one instance of the Repeater flipping out and exiting > the record mode when I was doing stereo stuff, though I haven't been able to duplicate this issue > yet. For the most part it works quite well. Plus I get a 96 minute loop... anybody wanna hear > it? :) > > I hope I'm not compensating for anything with the size of my CFC... > > > I seem to recall someone saying that 8 minutes is the > longest possible loop time on the Repeater. What is > the minimum meg requirement to achieve the 8 min mark? > > Thanks! > > John > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 11:43:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11644; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:40:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:40:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:38:12 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: CFC size To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DDBBA74.68011AC4@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20021120161350.84545.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Repeater's manual clearly states that there is an 8 minute loop limit. How are you getting 96? Are you doing an 8 min loop and then slowing it down to 1 bpm? Mark Sottilaro S V G wrote: > For the most part it works quite well. Plus I get a 96 minute loop... anybody wanna hear > it? :) > > I hope I'm not compensating for anything with the size of my CFC... > > I seem to recall someone saying that 8 minutes is the > longest possible loop time on the Repeater. What is > the minimum meg requirement to achieve the 8 min mark? > > Thanks! > > John > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 12:16:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14461; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:10:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:10:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:10:13 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tiktok@sprintmail.com Subject: re: digitech rds triggering solutions? | midi to cv converters? | Sender: tiktok@sprintmail.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 206.28.72.1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Frostwave makes a 1U MIDI to CV converter: http://frostwave.com/quadmiditocv/index.html TH I've searched everywhere for an answer to this Digitech RDS setup question. I have an alesis SR-16 midi drum machine which I would like to use to sync/trigger the following loopers: (3) Digitech RDS 8000 delay/samplers (2) Digitech RDS 7.6 delay/samplers (1) Digitech PDS 8000 delay/sampler from what i understand the devices use a +5volt input to trigger/sync. is there a" midi to a +5 volt pulse" converter that can read midi info from my Alesis SR-16. Let me know if you know of any product/products that can tackle these duties. I'd love to have 6-8 triggers for expansion and flexibilty. I'm also curious to know what the rest of you are using to trigger these older RDS devices with? any suggestions? pitfalls? triumphs? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 13:04:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19230; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:04:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:04:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: theweg@netzero.com X-Original-From: theweg@netzero.com Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:02:15 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Starscapes X-Mailer: NetZero WebMail Version 1.0 Message-Id: <20021120.100247.12728.36120@webmail01.lax.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6iWRLD.A.2rE.55829@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Leander, This is great stuff! I've listened to it four times and I love it. I do similar soundscapes with my EDP/Repeater rig at home. Please send more! Weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 13:05:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19528; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:05:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:05:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DDBCEA5.9070307@minds-eye.org> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:04:21 -0800 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loop Subject: Yet another Repeater/FCB1010 question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all, Having now figured out how to program the FCB pedal, I am now controlling all my Electrix gear and a drum machine from my feet and am a happy man. I have noticed a few strange behaviors though and I was wondering if anyone else had encountered such things. Using the expression pedals to control the mute feature of track 1-4, I have a fine time for a short while before the entire bank of track select functions stops working. It appears that midi data is still being sent (the Repeater light blinks), but the track select doesn't function at all. I can change tracks by hand and re-adjust the volume but the pedal won't do it anymore. This seems to be rather permanent until I power down and restart. I guess I should check to see if this is coming just from the FCB or if its a Repeater glitch by re-starting only one at a time but I haven't done this yet. Anyone else seen anything like this happen? Also, I know Mark has talked of reinstalling the OS and that's not a bad option, but is it really necessary? What is the likelihood of an OS getting corrupted through normal use? Thanks Kevin -- Wonderful! Wonderful! The sermon of the inanimate is inconceivable If you try to hear it with your ears You'll hardly understand Only when you hear it in your eyes Will you be able to know. - Dongshan Liangjie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 13:40:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22358; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:38:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:38:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <6.2a38c66.2b0d304c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:37:00 EST Subject: Re: Starscapes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA22245 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Leander, In a message dated 11/19/02 4:15:02 PM, l.reininghaus@editionrahe.de writes: >www.editionrahe.de/EDRA/music/BarnardsLoop.ram Very cool. It didn't work the first time. So I tried again today. Reminded me of some of the music to Carl Sagan's "Cosmos" TV documentary sountrack -- just a little. Very pleasant. tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 13:44:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22744; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:41:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:41:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021120014550.0258b350@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:43:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE THREAD TITLE WHEN THE SUBJECT OF THETHREADCHANGES SIGNIFICANTLY In-Reply-To: <3DD9E85A.BFF0BBCA@tapehissrecordings.com> References: <200211170015.TAA20293@hemlock.violacea.com> <029601c28f8c$60e97060$0964f93f@global> <3DD9D4C3.AEC53C17@tapehissrecordings.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <2MiXC.A.SjF.Td929@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:29 PM 11/18/2002, Scott Carr wrote: >This would be great if I only checked my e-mail from one location, but I >check from 3 locations + setting up multiple filters is a hassle - why >not just have a bloody prefix? Is that so wrong??? I just don't get the >resistance to this. Is it some anti-logo thing? It would really just be >easier for everyone if there was a mark for Looper's Delight signified >in the subject line. an anti-logo thing? that doesn't seem like me. no, you are not going to like hearing this, but it is an anti-moron thing. Mailing lists have been running on the internet for probably 20 years or more. It used to be that no lists had idiot features like prefixes added on the subject line. That is because it used to be that most of the people using the internet were at least bright enough to figure out how to use their email program, and could set up filters to do what they wanted with their email. There was no need for such nonsense. In the past few years, just about everybody got on the internet, including all the stupid people. Since the stupid users turned out to be either too dumb or too lazy to create email filters, plus they whine a lot, many list owners gave in and added all sorts of extra crap to their lists to help the morons continue to be morons. However, I find within myself a strong aversion to being a moron-enabler. I rather believe that people getting forced to learn something might end up being better for it. I also don't see why I should do a lot of extra work to add a feature that everybody already has the ability to do with their mail program. If this causes a few morons get frustrated and leave the list (assuming they can figure out how to do that), that doesn't really seem like a bad thing to me. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 14:06:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25684; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:02:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:02:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: theweg@netzero.com X-Original-From: theweg@netzero.com Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:00:01 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Re: A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE THREAD TITLE WHEN THE SUBJECT OF THETH READCHANGES SIGNIFICANTLY X-Mailer: NetZero WebMail Version 1.0 Message-Id: <20021120.110045.2545.39159@webmail04.lax.untd.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Kim, That was the best laugh I've had all day! And thanks for the list. I am enjoying my EDP immensely because of this list! weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 14:09:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26010; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:07:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:07:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:06:27 +0100 Subject: Finally loving my Repeater :) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <2B5F65A4-FCBB-11D6-98E3-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: <_HtyuC.A.UWG.V1929@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I spent the best part of the day installing a new studio at home, and I have finally fallen completely in love with the Repeater. The project has now expanded from solo violin to include both the 6 string and 7 string violins (with effects) , Irish flutes, Live vocals, acoustic percussion samples triggered by the FC-200 and choir & orchestral brass samples, as well as techno bass played through an Oxygen8....etc.etc.... all mixed through a donated Behringer MX2004 mixing desk and then routed into the Repeater. The cabling/setting up was a nightmare, but its working :) The first attempts at jamming have been quite interesting, and my music is turning more celtic. I cant believe the range of the live sounds I am getting.... As soon as I can get my earthing problem sorted out, I'll get some rough mp3's recorded.... Anyway. I've been thinking about exchanging the Repeater for an EDP for a while now, but after today.... no way :) As soon as I stopped thinking about the music in the same was as I did with the DL4, then everything started to work.... :) *smiling* -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 14:26:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26859; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:22:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:22:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:18:18 -0800 From: Daryl Subject: Re: A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE THREAD TITLE etc.. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DDBDFFA.1BAA9D21@mhorse.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200211170015.TAA20293@hemlock.violacea.com> <029601c28f8c$60e97060$0964f93f@global> <3DD9D4C3.AEC53C17@tapehissrecordings.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20021120014550.0258b350@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this is my very first post...hello everybody. I've been enjoying the almost-entirely-friendly slant of this list (Miko aside) and I don't understand this tone, it's a fairly simple request. Here's the problem; if you need to check email remotely with a browser-based client (or from most hand-held Blackberry-type devices) , you can't use filters. This is the only group I'm a part of, or have ever been a part of, that doesn't have a prefix, and it makes it inconvenient, even though I use complex filters all the time on my home PC. Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com > an anti-logo thing? that doesn't seem like me. > > no, you are not going to like hearing this, but it is an anti-moron thing. > > Mailing lists have been running on the internet for probably 20 years or > more. It used to be that no lists had idiot features like prefixes added on > the subject line. That is because it used to be that most of the people > using the internet were at least bright enough to figure out how to use > their email program, and could set up filters to do what they wanted with > their email. There was no need for such nonsense. > > In the past few years, just about everybody got on the internet, including > all the stupid people. Since the stupid users turned out to be either too > dumb or too lazy to create email filters, plus they whine a lot, many list > owners gave in and added all sorts of extra crap to their lists to help the > morons continue to be morons. > > However, I find within myself a strong aversion to being a moron-enabler. I > rather believe that people getting forced to learn something might end up > being better for it. I also don't see why I should do a lot of extra work > to add a feature that everybody already has the ability to do with their > mail program. If this causes a few morons get frustrated and leave the list > (assuming they can figure out how to do that), that doesn't really seem > like a bad thing to me. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 14:38:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27646; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:36:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:36:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c290cd$bdf39d70$efa55e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: <6.2a38c66.2b0d304c@aol.com> Subject: Re: Starscapes Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:48:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I get a message "can't open, please verify that filename and path are correct." I'm on a pc, Internet Explorer, Windows Media player... David A. >Subject: Re: Starscapes > Leander, > > In a message dated 11/19/02 4:15:02 PM, l.reininghaus@editionrahe.de writes: > > >www.editionrahe.de/EDRA/music/BarnardsLoop.ram > > Very cool. It didn't work the first time. So I tried again today. > Reminded me of some of the music to Carl Sagan's "Cosmos" > TV documentary sountrack -- just a little. Very pleasant. > > tEd ® kiLLiAn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 14:52:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28420; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:47:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:47:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021120014550.0258b350@loopers-delight.com> References: <200211170015.TAA20293@hemlock.violacea.com> <029601c28f8c$60e97060$0964f93f@global> <3DD9D4C3.AEC53C17@tapehissrecordings.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20021120014550.0258b350@loopers-delight.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:45:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: prefixes (was Re: A REQUEST TO blahblah) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1vKCvB.A.-7G.5a-29@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim wrote: >Mailing lists have been running on the internet for probably 20 >years or more. It used to be that no lists had idiot features like >prefixes added on the subject line. That is because it used to be >that most of the people using the internet were at least bright >enough to figure out how to use their email program, and could set >up filters to do what they wanted with their email. There was no >need for such nonsense. > >In the past few years, just about everybody got on the internet, >including all the stupid people. Since the stupid users turned out >to be either too dumb or too lazy to create email filters, plus they >whine a lot, many list owners gave in and added all sorts of extra >crap to their lists to help the morons continue to be morons. > >However, I find within myself a strong aversion to being a >moron-enabler. I rather believe that people getting forced to learn >something might end up being better for it. I also don't see why I >should do a lot of extra work to add a feature that everybody >already has the ability to do with their mail program. If this >causes a few morons get frustrated and leave the list (assuming they >can figure out how to do that), that doesn't really seem like a bad >thing to me. Hey, I have more filters than anyone I have ever met and I still really like to have those prefixes. 0. prefixes make writing filters really easy. 1. sometimes my filters aren't right because people CC/BCC/whatever the list and I didn't think of all the cases and the email goes into my main mailbox. 2. sometimes people reply to my postings offlist and it's nice if these emails also go into the same box as the list. 3. I do check my mail quite often on the server, using pine, and again, the prefixes are really useful, because the filters don't go off until the mail hits my mail client. I'm quite surprised that adding prefixes to your mailing list is a lot of work... I do understand wanting to avoid doing more dumb computer work, I make that decision all the time (otherwise I'd never get any musical work done). But aside from that, I can't see a single downside to prefixes. There are a lot of interesting, constructive people who are Internet morons and I have no objection to a few extra bytes per subject to help these folks out. back to lurk mode as I finish vast quantities of interesting work. honest, interesting, honest. /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 15:13:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30924; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:06:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:06:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021120113833.02580b40@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:08:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE THREAD TITLE etc.. In-Reply-To: <3DDBDFFA.1BAA9D21@mhorse.com> References: <200211170015.TAA20293@hemlock.violacea.com> <029601c28f8c$60e97060$0964f93f@global> <3DD9D4C3.AEC53C17@tapehissrecordings.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20021120014550.0258b350@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:18 AM 11/20/2002, Daryl wrote: >this is my very first post...hello everybody. I've been enjoying the >almost-entirely-friendly slant of this list (Miko aside) and I don't >understand >this tone, it's a fairly simple request. How do you know if it's a "simple request"? I'm the one who has to do the work to make this site happen, not you. I think I'm in a better position to make that judgement. My effort for LD is not only unpaid, but at an enormous cost out of my pocket and my own time for the past 6 and a half years. You, on the other hand, have never contributed anything here other than one post to whine at me. How about if you first chip in a significant amount of a) labor, b) money, c) knowledge, or d) all three, and then you will have earned the right to be as bitchy as you want. >Here's the problem; if you need to >check email remotely with a browser-based client (or from most hand-held >Blackberry-type devices) , you can't use filters. that is a problem with those services being inadequate, not with LD. Complain to them. >This is the only group I'm a >part of, or have ever been a part of, that doesn't have a prefix, I'm on over a dozen lists, and most do not use prefixes. Of course, they are mostly lists aimed at tech professionals who can figure out their email programs. The ones that do have prefixes have added them in the past few years, for the reasons previously explained. kim PS, everybody already saw my previous mail, there was no reason to quote the entire thing back in the message: > > an anti-logo thing? that doesn't seem like me. > > > > no, you are not going to like hearing this, but it is an anti-moron thing. [the rest edited out] ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 17:11:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08535; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:08:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:08:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021120220829.82948.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:08:29 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: loop storage To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000001c29069$42530ca0$6401a8c0@om> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Clifford Novey wrote: > I can offer a different sentiment- > > I rely heavily on the CFC storage- I find the immediate storage a > godsend when the last thing I want to do is turn on the computer. I don't presently have a working computer in my studio. I use the Repeater's loop storage on CFC virtually every time I use the thing. I enjoy listening back to them, even though they're a point in time. I explain to people that it's like a still shot from the middle of a short film when I play the past loops for others. But I enjoy listening back to them. I borrowed an MD recorder recently and recorded myself doing the entire process of playing some music with loops. It was interesting and kind of affirming in a way, 'cause when I listened back to them, I enjoyed hearing what I'd done. Also educational, in that it showed me some stuff I'd like to work on before playing this sort of thing live. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 17:25:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09621; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:20:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:20:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DDBFC84.B8351199@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:20:04 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Starscapes References: <6.2a38c66.2b0d304c@aol.com> <001b01c290cd$bdf39d70$efa55e82@audiows> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <9KspeC.A.PWC.WqA39@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com .ram is the mark of a Real Audio Player file. Real Audio is *yet another* codec that's been touted as the "best thing since .mp3!" I've had major issues installing it on PCs. On my Mac, it seems to like to declare it owner of any type of content it can, even though you tell it not to do that. The other good thing about it is you have to reinstall it every week when a new version comes out. If you can find it, there's a free version of the player at www.real.com Mark Sottilaro David Auker wrote: > I get a message "can't open, please verify that filename and path are > correct." I'm on a pc, Internet Explorer, Windows Media player... > > David A. > > >Subject: Re: Starscapes > > > Leander, > > > > In a message dated 11/19/02 4:15:02 PM, l.reininghaus@editionrahe.de > writes: > > > > >www.editionrahe.de/EDRA/music/BarnardsLoop.ram > > > > Very cool. It didn't work the first time. So I tried again today. > > Reminded me of some of the music to Carl Sagan's "Cosmos" > > TV documentary sountrack -- just a little. Very pleasant. > > > > tEd ® kiLLiAn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 17:26:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09668; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:20:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:20:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021120222050.85260.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:20:50 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: CFC size To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20021120161350.84545.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- S V G wrote: > > There are a lot of posts dealing with CFC size for the Repeater in the > last year. These "8 > minute limit" and "128MB maximum cards" are ill informed posts. > Plus I get a 96 minute loop... anybody wanna hear it? :) Really? I expect we're all just regurgitating what's in the manual about the 8 minute max per loop. I know I've never tried to do one longer then a minute or so. I just don't work that way. To answer the previous question: A 128MB card will give you about 24 minutes of total recording time, so that'd be three tracks on an 8 minute loop. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 17:34:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10520; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:30:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:30:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021120223003.3795.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:30:03 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Finally loving my Repeater :) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2B5F65A4-FCBB-11D6-98E3-0003934B4712@solostring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Stuart Wyatt wrote: > I spent the best part of the day installing a new studio at home, and I > have finally fallen completely in love with the Repeater. . . > As soon as I stopped thinking about the music in the same was as I did > with the DL4, then everything started to work.... :) Interesting. What was the perspective change that got you there? Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 18:02:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12002; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:55:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:55:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DDC04BE.31AE5BA1@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:55:11 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Finally loving my Repeater :) References: <20021120223003.3795.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right. I felt the same way when I got the Repeater. I was used to the JamMan but after I realized how to use the Repeater for what it was, and not what it wasn't, I too loved it. I did the same thing with the EDP. When I first got it I didn't like it because of what it wasn't. Expectation is a dangerous thing. (note to self: become more enlightened.) The truth is, if you're musical, you'll make music. With a DL4, EDP, Repeater, or with a Digital Watch. (HI RICK WALKER) The key is to stop not doing it. Mark Sottilaro > --- Stuart Wyatt wrote: > > I spent the best part of the day installing a new studio at home, and I > > have finally fallen completely in love with the Repeater. > . > . > > As soon as I stopped thinking about the music in the same was as I did > > with the DL4, then everything started to work.... :) > > Interesting. What was the perspective change that got you there? > > Greg > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 18:03:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13490; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:59:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:59:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 23:58:41 +0100 Subject: Re: Finally loving my Repeater :) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20021120223003.3795.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <9CB62D80-FCDB-11D6-98E3-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, November 20, 2002, at 11:30 PM, Greg House wrote: > Interesting. What was the perspective change that got you there? Simply sound. Up until now, I've played just solo electric violin through the loopers... one instrument - with all the rhythm, bass, countermelodies, backing etc. from the violin. Now, I have a full band... bass, percussion, orchestra, choir.... in fact, whatever the hell I want. :) I started looking at the music from a completely different perspective. Having a microphone with the flutes next to it, a keyboard just underneath, and a bass/percussion trigger on the floor (FC-200) meant that I was never too far away from switching instruments. Gone now is the pressure of continuously maintaining the progression of the loop and the piece with a solo instrument, and in its place is the freedom of being able to add texture - even when the Repeater is throwing wobblies. I never considered using the FC-200 as a keyboard before. Being able to play an irish jig and bass at the same time is....er....inspiring :) -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 18:07:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14066; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:06:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:06:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c290e9$e9823700$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <6.2a38c66.2b0d304c@aol.com> <001b01c290cd$bdf39d70$efa55e82@audiows> <3DDBFC84.B8351199@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Starscapes Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 23:09:41 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <0N210D.A.sbD.BWB39@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I try not to encode any new work in Real's format. Besides the obvious assumption of filetypes, though, RealOne [phhf!] Player wants to be more than just your media player, and screws it up genuinely. On the content producer side, Real's treated most of us like leftover tripe, if that, and their confusing links to 'new free' software that turn out to be the Premium ($) player should be enough for anyone to spit at them and walk away, no matter what computer they use. I even used to find the weekly-changing link to the ACTUAL free player by Real, and put it on my Studios page for those who wanted to still listen to Real content. The really last straw for me came when, about the same time as the release of the 'RealOne' player, none of my old RA content would play anymore, despite having a plug-in by Real that purported to do just that. My Haunted pages used to use that format, and it's been silent ever since. Did their new encoder include the capability to read those old files and save them as new content? Did their support area ever answer a single request for help? Hell, no! Why should they care? Unfortunately, lots of sites use the format, thanks to Real's ascent - on most of OUR backs - to dominance in the codec arena. I don't know why really, given the awful quality of the results their encoders now produce. Sorry about the rant, but you hit a sore spot. In any event isn't it nice to not have a post ranting about Miko? :) > .ram is the mark of a Real Audio Player file. Real Audio is *yet > another* codec that's been touted as the "best thing since .mp3!" I've > had major issues installing it on PCs. On my Mac, it seems to like to > declare it owner of any type of content it can, even though you tell it > not to do that. The other good thing about it is you have to reinstall > it every week when a new version comes out. If you can find it, there's > a free version of the player at www.real.com > > Mark Sottilaro > > David Auker wrote: > > > I get a message "can't open, please verify that filename and path are > > correct." I'm on a pc, Internet Explorer, Windows Media player... > > > > David A. > > > > >Subject: Re: Starscapes > > > > > Leander, > > > > > > In a message dated 11/19/02 4:15:02 PM, l.reininghaus@editionrahe.de > > writes: > > > > > > >www.editionrahe.de/EDRA/music/BarnardsLoop.ram > > > > > > Very cool. It didn't work the first time. So I tried again today. > > > Reminded me of some of the music to Carl Sagan's "Cosmos" > > > TV documentary sountrack -- just a little. Very pleasant. > > > > > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 18:29:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15370; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:24:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:24:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DDC1928.9A41C101@ubuibi.org> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:22:17 -0800 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:al media References: <6.2a38c66.2b0d304c@aol.com> <001b01c290cd$bdf39d70$efa55e82@audiows> <3DDBFC84.B8351199@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > .ram is the mark of a Real Audio Player file. Real Audio is *yet > another* codec that's been touted as the "best thing since .mp3!" I've > had major issues installing it on PCs. On my Mac, it seems to like to > declare it owner of any type of content it can, even though you tell it > not to do that. The other good thing about it is you have to reinstall > it every week when a new version comes out. If you can find it, there's > a free version of the player at www.real.com and then of course there are real meadia files which can be downloaded and played although only edited with the pay version of the player. and streaming real media From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 18:32:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15884; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:31:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:31:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:30:53 +0100 Subject: Re: OT: Re: Starscapes/Real audio rant Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000701c290eb$9f4f8be0$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> Message-Id: <1C99BBA4-FCE0-11D6-98E3-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: <982FS.A.G4D.MtB39@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, November 21, 2002, at 12:21 AM, Clifford Novey wrote: > I agree- Real One is Satan's spawn- It is for PC's, but to my shock and horror, I have been mightily impressed with the Mac OSX version. No popups, no spyware and it actually works without grinding the OS to a halt. I think the OSX player is in beta version, so they have yet to code in the bits that turn a relatively fast computer into a broken clockwork toy. For compression, try experimenting with ogg. Its open source, and is a mighty beast. A 128kbps mp3 compared to a 128kbps ogg file is incredible - the bass, top and general clarity is still there in the ogg file. There are compressors/decoders for mac/linux/PC (http://www.vorbis.com/), and its free. -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 18:32:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15261; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:22:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:22:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c290eb$9f4f8be0$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <6.2a38c66.2b0d304c@aol.com> <001b01c290cd$bdf39d70$efa55e82@audiows> <3DDBFC84.B8351199@zerocrossing.net> <001301c290e9$e9823700$0201a8c0@eluk> Subject: OT: Re: Starscapes/Real audio rant Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:21:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree- Real One is Satan's spawn- you have to be really determined and patient to root out all the pop ups, auto notify, computer scanning, ultra infiltrating crap they include with it. And I too think it sounds crummy in the end anyways but i was 'forced' to install it yesterday as so many folks use it. I prefer .wma format over all others 9yes I know it is MS product)- sounds the best and I can use WinAmp to play them. Too bad it doesent play on the Mac platform as it is supposed to. It is also interesting to note that WinAmp was bought out by AOL. Isn't AOL linked to Real? They prob own them. Cliff > Why should > they care? > > Unfortunately, lots of sites use the format, thanks to Real's ascent - on > most of OUR backs - to dominance in the codec arena. I don't know why > really, given the awful quality of the results their encoders now produce. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 18:46:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17433; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:45:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:45:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021120234514.80032.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:45:14 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: CFC size To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200211201805.NAA19693@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah Mark, you're a smart cookie to be sure. I missed that part of the manual. When I insert the CFC card, the readout tells me that I have 96 minutes available. Sure enough, I can only do 8 minute loops at a time. To check this out I let my Repeater run for 8 minutes at which point it flashes a "Track Limit" message and then goes into play mode. I also tried this at a slow setting (tempo=25) with the same results. I then wondered if I'd only have half that time available in stereo and I was pleased to find that I have 8 minutes in stereo as well. At a tempo of 120, the clock goes up to around 960.0 before it jumps out of record. I was wondering what would happen with a higher clock rate (maximum 240) because I didn't think that it was a 5 number place setting. Whadya know? It goes up to 1920.0 before jumping out of record. Since you asked, it seems possible to record an 8 minute loop at 240, drop the tempo down to 1 and then sit back for a loop of 32 hours in length. Y'know, it starts to grow on you the third time around... Thanks for calling me on my mis-statements, we can all benefit from this kind of sharp mindedness. >>The Repeater's manual clearly states that there is an 8 minute loop limit. How are you getting >>96? Are you doing an 8 min loop and then slowing it down to 1 bpm? >>Mark Sottilaro __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 18:47:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17618; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:46:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:46:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009f01c290ef$83a35c60$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <6.2a38c66.2b0d304c@aol.com> <001b01c290cd$bdf39d70$efa55e82@audiows> <3DDBFC84.B8351199@zerocrossing.net> <001301c290e9$e9823700$0201a8c0@eluk> <000701c290eb$9f4f8be0$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> Subject: Re: Re: Starscapes/Real audio rant Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 23:49:48 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I agree- Real One is Satan's spawn- you have to be really determined and > patient to root out all the pop ups, auto notify, computer scanning, ultra > infiltrating crap they include with it. And I too think it sounds crummy in > the end anyways but i was 'forced' to install it yesterday as so many folks > use it. > I prefer .wma format over all others 9yes I know it is MS product)- sounds > the best and I can use WinAmp to play them. Too bad it doesent play on the > Mac platform as it is supposed to. It is also interesting to note that > WinAmp was bought out by AOL. Isn't AOL linked to Real? They prob own them. > > Cliff I figured out some time ago that the same folks in the Gubmint who allowed the AOL purchase of their main competitor, CompuServe, allowed Real to buy their main player competitor besides Microsoft, WinAmp - even without discussing the Time-Warner merger, Real's a pretty slimy buncha folks. Have you noticed what a bloated item WinAmp 3 (the version released after Real/AOL bought them) is now? I went back to using their 2.x version, as it doesn't want to manage every sound file on my machine, and it doesn't lock up every third use. I like the visuals - and, here's a nice tip - the avs files made for WinAmp3 run just FINE on WinAmp 2.83. > > > Why should > > they care? > > > > Unfortunately, lots of sites use the format, thanks to Real's ascent - on > > most of OUR backs - to dominance in the codec arena. I don't know why > > really, given the awful quality of the results their encoders now produce. > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 18:57:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18437; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:51:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:51:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c290ef$a9ffeae0$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <6.2a38c66.2b0d304c@aol.com> <001b01c290cd$bdf39d70$efa55e82@audiows> <3DDBFC84.B8351199@zerocrossing.net> <001301c290e9$e9823700$0201a8c0@eluk> <000701c290eb$9f4f8be0$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> <009f01c290ef$83a35c60$0201a8c0@eluk> Subject: OT: Re: Starscapes/Real audio rant Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:50:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes I know- I will make sure I never lose the 2.83 install- ver3 is a beast that wants to kill my momma and take an endoscopic journey into my most private places. Cliff >Have > you noticed what a bloated item WinAmp 3 (the version released after > Real/AOL bought them) is now? I went back to using their 2.x version, as it > doesn't want to manage every sound file on my machine, and it doesn't lock > up every third use. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 19:25:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21965; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:21:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:21:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:22:31 -0500 Subject: Re: CFC size Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) From: mr monk To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20021120234514.80032.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <531C3C44-FCE7-11D6-94EB-000393073870@fuse.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Resent-Message-ID: <5xmTf.A.HXF.dcC39@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry if i missed it, but what brand of cfc are you using and where did you get it? thanks monk On Wednesday, November 20, 2002, at 06:45 PM, S V G wrote: > > Ah Mark, you're a smart cookie to be sure. I missed that part of > the manual. When I insert > the CFC card, the readout tells me that I have 96 minutes available. > Sure enough, I can only do 8 > minute loops at a time. To check this out I let my Repeater run for 8 > minutes at which point it > flashes a "Track Limit" message and then goes into play mode. I also > tried this at a slow setting > (tempo=25) with the same results. I then wondered if I'd only have > half that time available in > stereo and I was pleased to find that I have 8 minutes in stereo as > well. > > At a tempo of 120, the clock goes up to around 960.0 before it > jumps out of record. I was > wondering what would happen with a higher clock rate (maximum 240) > because I didn't think that it > was a 5 number place setting. Whadya know? It goes up to 1920.0 > before jumping out of record. > > Since you asked, it seems possible to record an 8 minute loop at > 240, drop the tempo down to > 1 and then sit back for a loop of 32 hours in length. Y'know, it > starts to grow on you the third > time around... > > Thanks for calling me on my mis-statements, we can all benefit > from this kind of sharp > mindedness. > > >>> The Repeater's manual clearly states that there is an 8 minute loop >>> limit. How are you getting >>> 96? Are you doing an 8 min loop and then slowing it down to 1 bpm? > >>> Mark Sottilaro > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 20:23:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27177; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:20:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:20:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DDC26BF.D4EEC917@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:20:16 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Re: Starscapes/Real audio rant References: <6.2a38c66.2b0d304c@aol.com> <001b01c290cd$bdf39d70$efa55e82@audiows> <3DDBFC84.B8351199@zerocrossing.net> <001301c290e9$e9823700$0201a8c0@eluk> <000701c290eb$9f4f8be0$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Uh, why not just mp3? MPEG is a mature and robust format. MPEG4 is quite amazing IMO. The beauty of the Quicktime format is that it encompasses most of the major codecs, including MPEG4. Windows Media is actually pretty good too, and you can get them to play on most macs, though not quite as well. Mark Sottilaro Clifford Novey wrote: > I agree- Real One is Satan's spawn- you have to be really determined and > patient to root out all the pop ups, auto notify, computer scanning, ultra > infiltrating crap they include with it. And I too think it sounds crummy in > the end anyways but i was 'forced' to install it yesterday as so many folks > use it. > I prefer .wma format over all others 9yes I know it is MS product)- sounds > the best and I can use WinAmp to play them. Too bad it doesent play on the > Mac platform as it is supposed to. It is also interesting to note that > WinAmp was bought out by AOL. Isn't AOL linked to Real? They prob own them. > > Cliff > > > Why should > > they care? > > > > Unfortunately, lots of sites use the format, thanks to Real's ascent - on > > most of OUR backs - to dominance in the codec arena. I don't know why > > really, given the awful quality of the results their encoders now produce. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 20:28:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27655; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:25:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:25:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:17:50 -0600 Subject: Re: digitech rds triggering solutions? | midi to cv converters? | thanks! From: adam To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200211201805.NAA19696@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3120664671_4627938_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3120664671_4627938_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hello, Thanks for all the responses to my Alesis SR-16 / Digitech RDS triggering questions... I think i've narrowed my "Midi to CV" choices down to the following... PAIA midi2cv8 MIDI to CV Converter Kit http://www.paia.com/midi2cv.htm (set for the analog drum/trigger mode) - or - Analog Solutions MT16 http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~concuss/concussor/mt16.htm 5 volt triggering / 16 outputs The MT-16 looks like it will be the best option since i hate the smell of solder.. I'll be sure to post my adventures once i get all RDS and PDS units in sync with the Alesis SR-16 & Midi converter... what EDP? :) adam reference: hello. I've searched everywhere for an answer to this Digitech RDS setup question. I have an alesis SR-16 midi drum machine which I would like to use to sync/trigger the following loopers: (3) Digitech RDS 8000 delay/samplers (2) Digitech RDS 7.6 delay/samplers (1) Digitech PDS 8000 delay/sampler from what i understand the devices use a +5volt input to trigger/sync. is there a" midi to a +5 volt pulse" converter that can read midi info from my Alesis SR-16. Let me know if you know of any product/products that can tackle these duties. I'd love to have 6-8 triggers for expansion and flexibilty. I'm also curious to know what the rest of you are using to trigger these older RDS devices with? any suggestions? pitfalls? triumphs? For my live thing I would like some devices triggered at an 16 count, some at 8 counts, and some at 4 count. thanks adam --MS_Mac_OE_3120664671_4627938_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: digitech rds triggering solutions? | midi to cv converters? | th= anks! Hello,

Thanks for all the responses to my Alesis SR-16 / Digitech RDS triggering q= uestions...

I think i've narrowed my "Midi to CV" choices down to the followi= ng...

PAIA midi2cv8 MIDI to CV Converter Kit
http://www.paia.com/midi2cv.htm
(set for the analog drum/trigger mode)

- or -

Analog Solutions MT16
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~concuss/concussor/mt16.htm
5 volt triggering / 16 outputs

The MT-16 looks like it will be the best option since i hate the smell of s= older..

I'll be sure to post my adventures once i get all RDS and PDS units in sync= with the Alesis SR-16 & Midi converter...

what EDP? :)

adam


reference:

hello.

I've searched everywhere for an answer to this Digitech RDS setup question.=
I have an alesis SR-16 midi drum machine which I would like to use to
sync/trigger the following loopers:

(3) Digitech RDS 8000 delay/samplers
(2) Digitech RDS 7.6 delay/samplers
(1) Digitech PDS 8000 delay/sampler

from what i understand the devices use a +5volt input to trigger/sync. is there a" midi to a +5 volt pulse" converter that can read midi in= fo from my
Alesis SR-16.

Let me know if you know of any product/products that can tackle these
duties. I'd love to have 6-8 triggers for expansion and flexibilty. I'm als= o
curious to know what the rest of you are using to trigger these older RDS devices with? any suggestions? pitfalls? triumphs?

For my live thing I would like some devices triggered at an 16 count, some<= BR> at 8 counts, and some at 4 count.

thanks

adam


--MS_Mac_OE_3120664671_4627938_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 20:29:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27707; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:26:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:26:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <20021120234514.80032.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: CFC size Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:28:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Nov 2002 01:25:46.0545 (UTC) FILETIME=[EACFF210:01C290FC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Since you asked, it seems possible to record an 8 minute loop at 240, drop the tempo down to > 1 and then sit back for a loop of 32 hours in length. Y'know, it starts to grow on you the third > time around... So here's the question: Can you record an 8 minute loop at 240 or so, then slow it down 10 times to 24bpm (80 minute loop) and then overdub? Hopefully this wouldn't bring the os to a grinding halt... Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 21:07:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31464; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:06:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:06:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DDC3193.336BCE9A@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:06:28 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Re: Starscapes/Real audio rant References: <1C99BBA4-FCE0-11D6-98E3-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah, but what about the factor that most people are not going to spend the time to download yet another player. You've got to take that into account when authoring things to the web. Mark Sottilaro "Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project)" wrote: > For compression, try experimenting with ogg. Its open source, and is a > mighty beast. A 128kbps mp3 compared to a 128kbps ogg file is > incredible - the bass, top and general clarity is still there in the > ogg file. > > There are compressors/decoders for mac/linux/PC > (http://www.vorbis.com/), and its free. > -- > Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 21:09:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31227; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:03:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:03:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DDC30DD.5EBEFEE8@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:03:26 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Should ambient music be performed live? References: <6.2a38c66.2b0d304c@aol.com> <001b01c290cd$bdf39d70$efa55e82@audiows> <3DDBFC84.B8351199@zerocrossing.net> <3DDC1928.9A41C101@ubuibi.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey gang, I've been kicking around the whole performance thing for a while, and I've been doing it with a fair amount of success. At the rave the Jon El-Bizri and I played a few weeks ago, we seemed to have really good feedback from the crowd. As I was packing up, I got introduced to some fellows in a band that do electronica as well. As a matter of fact, they had brought a CD with some of their music on it, and one of the DJs played a cut from it during his set. They got really good feedback from the crowd. And that got me thinking: I know I'm not much to look at, except for the sheer volume of gear I'm able to schlep and hook up at a moments notice. Also, the music I play is what I consider to be "ambient-dance." Which means I hope my music sets a mood, and affords the listener a decent beat to dance to if they choose to. I'm happiest when the audience isn't paying attention to me, and just doing whatever, and hopefully enjoying the bed of sound I'm creating. But, what about the sounds I *created*? I can do so much more at home in the studio, and under much less duress. Is it important to anyone that I'm there doing it? I'm really asking because I'm not sure anymore. I know there's a lot of music I enjoy seeing live (reggae, bluegrass, ect...) that I'd never buy on CD. Maybe I'm totally spinning my wheels. I should be giving out discs to DJs and letting them spin while all my gear sits happy in my apt. So, many of you have heard my music, others have not. Check out some tunes I've put up at http://www.zerocrossing.net/sleeping Click on the "Music" link. Let me know. Would you want to hear that live? Does it matter? Is my time better spent in the studio? Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 21:13:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31840; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:11:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:11:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DDC32E3.8EE1AE7E@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:12:04 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CFC size References: <20021120234514.80032.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com S V G wrote: > Ah Mark, you're a smart cookie to be sure. I missed that part of the manual. When I insert > the CFC card, the readout tells me that I have 96 minutes available. Sure enough, I can only do 8 > minute loops at a time. Oh, I'm not that sharp. I totally missed that part of the manual the first time round and had someone else here point it out to me. Just sharing the love. > > Since you asked, it seems possible to record an 8 minute loop at 240, drop the tempo down to > 1 and then sit back for a loop of 32 hours in length. Y'know, it starts to grow on you the third > time around... Ah ahh ah ahhahahhahah! I'd love to see you on the third pass! All drooling and babbling to yourself in a corner. I say cut the loop up and make yourself 26 ambient albums. Bill Laswell will be so jealous! Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 21:18:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32110; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:17:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:17:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <150.179e0a60.2b0d9bdc@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:15:56 EST Subject: Re: Should ambient music be performed live? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: <_8iwe.A.m1H.vIE39@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good question that lies in the environment of the venue. I perform with DreamLand and solo at coffee shops in San Antonio. That's an incline:) But people seem to like it. I think performing solo (like a stand up comedian) is a true test of ones mettle. But I'm pursing it. Because if you don't try, you've only yourself to blame. Peace, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 21:19:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32232; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:18:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:18:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014201c290d2$1103f880$d7b407d5@laptop> From: "Leander Reininghaus" To: References: <6.2a38c66.2b0d304c@aol.com> Subject: Re: Starscapes Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:18:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_013F_01C290DA.69BF2500" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_013F_01C290DA.69BF2500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, and thanks for your nice comments Mike, Ted and Weg ! Sorry, I couldn't listen to you guys music, yet, because my computer = is from the stoneage and would take hours to download MP3s. But I will = listen, as soon as I can use the machine in a friend's studio. Probabely = next week. "Barnard's Loop" is from a CD called "STARSCAPES - The Bright Zones", = which I intend to shop for release. The material was recorded live to DAT using a Strat with Maniac = Sustainer, Boss GT 5, Digitech DHP 33 Harmonizer, EDP, Paradis Loop = Delay ( EDP's ancestor ), Behringer Reverb and a mixer ( no synths = involved ).=20 The recording was done while looking at the stars through an attic = window in a place called Tripstadt ( ..." -stadt" means "town" ... no joke, the name is real ... lol ! ). = Editing and mastering was done in a studio, later. Ok, here's some more stuff from the same CD. http://members.tripod.de/editionrahe/EDRA/music/EtaCarinae.ram http://www.editionrahe.de/EDRA/music/Pulsar.ram Have fun ! Leander ------=_NextPart_000_013F_01C290DA.69BF2500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all, and thanks = for your=20 nice comments Mike, Ted and Weg !
 
Sorry, = I couldn't listen to=20 you guys music, yet, because my computer is from the stoneage and = would take=20 hours to download MP3s. But I will listen, as soon as I can use the=20 machine in a friend's studio. Probabely next week.
 
"Barnard's = Loop" is from a CD=20 called "STARSCAPES - The Bright Zones", which I intend to shop for=20 release.
 
The material was = recorded live=20 to DAT using a Strat with Maniac Sustainer, Boss GT 5, Digitech DHP 33 = Harmonizer, EDP, Paradis Loop Delay ( EDP's ancestor ), Behringer = Reverb and a=20 mixer ( no synths involved ). 
The recording was = done while=20 looking at the stars through an attic window in a place called=20 Tripstadt
( ..." -stadt" means = "town" ... no=20 joke, the name is real ... lol ! ).
Editing and mastering = was done in a=20 studio, later.
 
Ok, here's some more = stuff from the=20 same CD.
 
h= ttp://members.tripod.de/editionrahe/EDRA/music/EtaCarinae.ram<= /DIV>
 
http://www.editi= onrahe.de/EDRA/music/Pulsar.ram
 
Have fun = !
 
Leander
------=_NextPart_000_013F_01C290DA.69BF2500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 21:34:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00307; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:29:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:29:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007801c29105$c3de8780$7f63f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200211202332.SAA16101@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Stuart falls in love with the REPEATER Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:29:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Stuart, that's soooo cool. Despite some quirks and glitches I also love my Repeater. You compared it to the EDP and I wanted to say in the EDP's defense (and I am just learning about his wonderful instrument): the two units do really different things. I wish you could have seen the awesome demonstration that Andre La Fosse did with his EDP (and the awesome demo that Bill Walker did with his REPEATER) at the Y2K2 Loopfestival this summer. The best way I can describe the differences between the two equally cool boxes is that the REPEATER is like Western Harmony with four mono or two stereo/tuneable loops being equivalent to harmonic polyphony. The EDP (and please forgive me adept ones: I"m a brand newbie with this instrument) is more like how the Indians have taken modal single lines to the furthest reaches of creativity. The EDP and the brilliant LOOP 4 software allows for incredible editing of individual mono loops to a degree rivaled by NO OTHER LOOPER ON THE MARKET. Andre created loops, replaced them, then triggered them from an old Roland drum machine. He also used one function that has me fascinated: quantize replace.......where he started out with a quirky and jagged loop that was, nonetheless had a chordal/tonal center and then replaced individual quantized 8th note sections of it until the loop sounded like a really funky but abstract ostinato line. What was so hip was that it seemed like the closer he got to replacing all of the loops the more abstract the loop got (yet still tonally center) until all of a sudden at the last instant, it became this very, very hip funky 8th note loop. It was all I had to restrain myself not to jump on stage, grab a mic and start beat-boxing to what he was doing.........very, very cool. He also did some cool 'jungle-esque' tricks like recording several short loops and then retriggering them in different orders from the drum pads of his old defunct Roland drum machine. I was amazed at how fluid and 'not canned' the whole thing was. He is my guru now.......LOL. I guess what I am saying, Stuart is, keep saving your money!!! Someone as creative as you should own both of these stellar boxes because they do equally hip, but very different things to looping music. yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 21:34:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00406; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:31:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:31:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c29105$f6732340$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <6.2a38c66.2b0d304c@aol.com> <001b01c290cd$bdf39d70$efa55e82@audiows> <3DDBFC84.B8351199@zerocrossing.net> <001301c290e9$e9823700$0201a8c0@eluk> <000701c290eb$9f4f8be0$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> <3DDC26BF.D4EEC917@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: OT: Re: Starscapes/Real audio rant Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:30:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com .wma is Windows Media- sounds better than mp3 at the same file size- .mp3 really kills the high end IMO If you have a method for playing .wma files on a Mac please let me know- I'd like to pass it along to my Mac friends- I'm not familiar with the mpeg4 formats you mention- I'll have to check that out- I use QT occasionally but have never encoded using it. As for the .ogg format- it can be played in WinAmp as I understand it- it does not necessarily require a new player- I am going to see haow that codec sounds when i get a chance- Cliff > Uh, why not just mp3? MPEG is a mature and robust format. MPEG4 is quite > amazing IMO. The beauty of the Quicktime format is that it encompasses most of > the major codecs, including MPEG4. Windows Media is actually pretty good too, > and you can get them to play on most macs, though not quite as well. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 21:40:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00854; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:38:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:38:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021121023839.84071.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:38:39 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: OT: Radio Massacre International To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200211191902.OAA01572@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I dunno if this is actually off topic or not, because these guys may be using loops, and I just don't realize it. Anyway, my latest shipment from Wayside Music came in today, which includes Radio Massacre International's Planets On The Wires. This is a GREAT disc! Two LONG tracks of cool electronic music, not unlike the old Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze records from the mid 70's. If you wish there was more records out there like Rubycon or Moondawn, you need to give RMI a listen. And though I reported awhile back that Wayside Music had only this one album that I ordered, apparently, more recently, they've gotten several others in stock. I'll likely include a couple more RMI discs in my next Wayside order. :-) ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus – Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 21:41:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00778; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:37:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:37:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c29106$c1e2e920$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <6.2a38c66.2b0d304c@aol.com> <001b01c290cd$bdf39d70$efa55e82@audiows> <3DDBFC84.B8351199@zerocrossing.net> <3DDC1928.9A41C101@ubuibi.org> <3DDC30DD.5EBEFEE8@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Should ambient music be performed live? Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:36:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Would you get the same satisfaction going and listening to your cd play? I'm sure in some cases it really may be easier and/or more practical to do the cd thing- but you ask : "Is it important to anyone that I'm there doing it?" Well, is it? :) C From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 22:53:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07656; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:52:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:52:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01c201c290df$1c3d95a0$d7b407d5@laptop> From: "Leander Reininghaus" To: References: <6.2a38c66.2b0d304c@aol.com> <001b01c290cd$bdf39d70$efa55e82@audiows> <3DDBFC84.B8351199@zerocrossing.net> <001301c290e9$e9823700$0201a8c0@eluk> <000701c290eb$9f4f8be0$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> <3DDC26BF.D4EEC917@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: OT: Re: Starscapes/Real audio rant Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:13:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01AC_01C290E2.034ECDE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01AC_01C290E2.034ECDE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi folks, I'm terribly sorry for having tempted some people with "Satan's first = choice of an audio player" ... I didn't think about it too much, for me it was just the player I had = to use when I parked my music on that site. But I agree that the quality of MP3s is better and I promise to do = what I can ... By the way, on my computer, there's always a big struggle between = Stuck(again) Time, Winamp and Win Media Player to be the first playing a = piece of music but I *never* had Real Player popping up unasked ... seems I quieted it quite well ... LOL ! Cheers Leander ------=_NextPart_000_01AC_01C290E2.034ECDE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi = folks,
 
I'm terribly sorry = for having=20 tempted some people with "Satan's first choice of an audio player"=20 ...
I didn't think about = it too=20 much, for me it was just the player I had to use when I parked my = music=20 on that site.
But I agree that the = quality of=20 MP3s is better and I promise to do what I can ...
 
By the way, on my = computer, there's=20 always a big struggle between Stuck(again) Time, Winamp and Win Media = Player=20 to be the first playing a piece of music but I *never* had Real Player = popping=20 up unasked ...
seems I quieted it = quite well ...=20 LOL !
 
Cheers
 
Leander
------=_NextPart_000_01AC_01C290E2.034ECDE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 20 22:53:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07633; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:52:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:52:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01c301c290df$1d2891e0$d7b407d5@laptop> From: "Leander Reininghaus" To: References: <150.179e0a60.2b0d9bdc@aol.com> Subject: Re: Should ambient music be performed live? Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:49:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BF_01C290E7.07B14B60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BF_01C290E7.07B14B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi again, I agree with James that the atmosphere of an ambient gig is very = important. I found for me, that performing at exhibitions, planetariums = and chill lounges works better than on raves. But I *do* think that = ambient music should be performed live as well as any other. A live = performance is and will always be something special, a different feel = for both the player and the audience, other than music running from CD. = I admit that I had one or the other jealous thought about DJs, too ... = until I worked with one and found out, it's an art in itself what they = do. But DJs success will never stop me from being a perfoming artist. Nevertheless, after more than 20 years of gigging and schlepping I'd = say: If I could do what I do with only one guitar and a laptop, I would = ...=20 Leander ------=_NextPart_000_01BF_01C290E7.07B14B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi again,
 
I agree with James that = the=20 atmosphere of an ambient gig is very important. I found for me, that = performing=20 at exhibitions, planetariums and chill lounges works better than on = raves. But I=20 *do* think that ambient music should be performed live as well as any = other. A=20 live performance is and will always be something special, a = different feel=20 for both the player and the audience, other than music running from = CD. =20
I admit that I had one = or the other=20 jealous thought about DJs, too ... until I worked with one and found = out, it's=20 an art in itself what they do. But DJs success will never stop me from = being a=20 perfoming artist.
 
Nevertheless, after = more than 20=20 years of gigging and schlepping I'd say: If I could do what I do with = only one=20 guitar and a laptop, I would ...
 
Leander
 
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_01BF_01C290E7.07B14B60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 00:05:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15995; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:03:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:03:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021120220618.00adae80@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:06:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: -On the idea of playing digital watches and such... In-Reply-To: <3DDC04BE.31AE5BA1@zerocrossing.net> References: <20021120223003.3795.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -Speaking of digital watches, at a mostly acoustic jam onece, during a particularly crazed and dissonant excursion, I was suddenly possessed of the idea to play my cell phone. I quickly rummaged in my purse, grabbed it, and found the ring type menu and cycled back and forth as musically as I could, through the various sounds and song'type rings to come up with some relatively coherent and quite interestingly complex musical patterns with them. It was a lot of fun, and people really dug it! It fit with the piece marvelously... Perhaps I'll use it in a loop... Have a wonderful evening, All... Catch ya laters... Smiles and beeps... Cara At 02:55 PM 11/20/02 -0700, you wrote: >Right. I felt the same way when I got the Repeater. I was used to the >JamMan but after I realized how to use the Repeater for what it was, and not >what it wasn't, I too loved it. I did the same thing with the EDP. When I >first got it I didn't like it because of what it wasn't. Expectation is a >dangerous thing. (note to self: become more enlightened.) The truth is, if >you're musical, you'll make music. With a DL4, EDP, Repeater, or with a >Digital Watch. (HI RICK WALKER) The key is to stop not doing it. > >Mark Sottilaro > >> --- Stuart Wyatt wrote: >> > I spent the best part of the day installing a new studio at home, and I >> > have finally fallen completely in love with the Repeater. >> . >> . >> > As soon as I stopped thinking about the music in the same was as I did >> > with the DL4, then everything started to work.... :) >> >> Interesting. What was the perspective change that got you there? >> >> Greg >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 00:47:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18448; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:46:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:46:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021120224904.00962790@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:49:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform In-Reply-To: <006301c28c50$6c22fda0$1912be18@Douglas> References: <3.0.5.32.20021114105707.00830100@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Douglas, thanks for your wonderful compliments and comments. Flattery and intelligence will get you everywhere! lol! I too really like where this thread has traveled. Defining or understanding the concepts of practicing rehearsing and playing in a concrete way can lead to all sorts of revelations and ideas. It's wonderful to see them all flow together in the moment. We're capable of some pretty amazing creativity! I love it!... anyway, thanks again, yer' a sweetie!... Catch ya on the flip side... Smiles, Cara At 09:40 PM 11/14/02 -0500, you wrote: >Goddess wrote: > >> What about "up here?" lol! no ego here... lollollol! > >Yeah, well, being a Goddess and all, you should know! lollollol! >When I added the hypothetical comments about "practicing" when one should be >performing, I was pointing towards a different attitude than the positive >chaos that you obviously embrace (and isn't the positive chaos lucky for >that!). I'm sure you (and most poster/readers) knew what I was alluding to, >but I like your comments all the more because they shed a new light on the >process. Point by point: > >> I've actually done exactly this on several occasions. -played >> instruments I'd never played before in a live performance setting. > >And I'll bet, from what I've heard of your music, that there was *something* >that made your choice appropriate. Sympathetic and supportive fellow >musicians, perhaps, and/or an audience willing to take a risk along with >you. > >> additionally, I've been asked literally, two minutes before a show to play >> material I'd not rehearsed, and was not familiar with, with people I'd >> never met, upon simply one of them hearing what I've done >> improvisationally. > >And again, knowing you, you brought a wealth of practice and rehearsal to >that moment. > >Also, regarding the idea of rewiring one's gear or some >> such idea on stage, -don't we do something very similar to this in the >face >> of limitation or unexpected circumstance such as technical difficulties, >or >> strings breaking and such, which might not be the easiest to deal with at >a >> moment's notice. We adapt. We are creative in front of an audience, >and >> practicing new ways of performing as we perform. So in my examples >above, >> am I practicing or playing, or both? The whole idea of improv itself as >> it relates to these concepts is also very interesting. Is it practice >or >> play? -Is it live or is it Memorex?... lol! > >Each aspect - practice, rehersal, performance - is a state of being, and we >can recognize several states at once. I sure do. Very often I'll be "up >there" and simultaneously thinking of things like, "Jeez. Got to work on >some new voicings of quartal chords tomorrow. The drummer just played a cool >rhythm; can I answer that? Oh! The other guitarist is 'showing' me a >different lick to go along with this part of the song..." Or I may be doing >some routine practicing, and something I play might wake me up and I'll >realize I'm suddenly performing some previously unheard music - I become the >receiver of the music, the performing musician, and the audience listening >all at once. > I began this thread as a commentary on Per's excellent description of a >performance as demonstration. I find it useful to frame my response to any >performance in the context of: Was it a demonstration? An invigoration? Or >(in the rarest of instances) do I feel moved? I often feel that performers >and audiences cheat each other out of a genuine opportunity to move higher >by reverting to "unconscious demonstrations;" the performer merely >demonstrates the appropriate sounds/motions, and the audience demonstrates >the appropriate response. Per obviously provided a clear and literal >demonstration, and made room for moving toward higher ground because of it. > But, y'know, I just love where this thread has spun off into. And I have >to go to sleep. Love to all and every one. > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 00:52:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18475; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:46:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:46:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021120223320.00961100@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:33:20 -0700 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Thanks very much... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -Just want to thank Per and Weg for your comments concerning Alpha. Glad you guys enjoyed it! Have a wonderful evening... Smiles, CQ --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 00:58:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19076; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:58:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:58:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DDC7564.11AAD952@ubuibi.org> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:55:49 -0800 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Should ambient music be performed live? References: <6.2a38c66.2b0d304c@aol.com> <001b01c290cd$bdf39d70$efa55e82@audiows> <3DDBFC84.B8351199@zerocrossing.net> <3DDC1928.9A41C101@ubuibi.org> <3DDC30DD.5EBEFEE8@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com geez man, not like your'e dragging a b5 and leslie.... sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > And that got me thinking: I know I'm not much to look at, except for the > sheer volume of gear I'm able to schlep and hook up at a moments notice. > Also, the music I play is what I consider to be "ambient-dance." Which means > I hope my music sets a mood, and affords the listener a decent beat to dance > to if they choose to. I'm happiest when the audience isn't paying attention > to me, and just doing whatever, and hopefully enjoying the bed of sound I'm > creating. > > But, what about the sounds I *created*? I can do so much more at home in the > studio, and under much less duress. Is it important to anyone that I'm there > doing it? I'm really asking because I'm not sure anymore. I know there's a > lot of music I enjoy seeing live (reggae, bluegrass, ect...) that I'd never > buy on CD. Maybe I'm totally spinning my wheels. I should be giving out > discs to DJs and letting them spin while all my gear sits happy in my apt. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 01:02:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20438; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 01:00:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 01:00:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021121060058.23153.qmail@web10901.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:00:58 -0800 (PST) From: Will Reply-To: will@luktown.org Subject: LD: List Prefixes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200211202332.SAA16101@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I get a little lost sometimes around here. This is supposed to be a community effort right? I guess communities are more than just being nice to each other but damn Kim, was all that really needed? fwiw, and that aint much, I dont see how a prefix would be a problem but that's neither here nor there. I'd just hope that the big daddy of this looping community would be a little more understanding of his childrens. It was just a request. I appreciated the point one feller made about smart people who cant use the internet. Is this a list for internet savvy loopers or for loopers? Somehow, I doubt chet 'jamman' atkins would have the slightest clue about setting up email filters. I've been using the internet for 10+ years and have never found a person to be any more or less worth my time based on whether or not they could set up email filters. Of course, i've never moderated an email list... :) Kim, is it the amount of work you're opposed to or do the prefixes mess something else up that i'm not understanding? Since this is a community list, why not take a poll of current users? I'd be happy to set one up some where on the web and send a link to the list. I dont care one way or the other. I do care about people offering suggestions to a 'community' mailing list and getting chastised for it. Apologies for the lack of looping content. Will Kim Flint Wrote: >an anti-logo thing? that doesn't seem like me. > >no, you are not going to like hearing this, but it is an anti-moron >thing. ... (meanie pants message truncated) ===== ----------- http://www.luktown.org __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus – Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 02:14:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25241; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 02:13:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 02:13:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: Starscapes Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:16:36 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <014201c290d2$1103f880$d7b407d5@laptop> X-Sender: 520030663132-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi Leander, > Ok, here's some more stuff from the same CD. > http://www.editionrahe.de/EDRA/music/Pulsar.ram truly great music, I love it!! Why don't you set up a page at mp3.com - this is fast and easy to do and the format will suit your music better. People with a fast connection (like me) can listen in 128 Kbps which is much better than realaudio. = michael peters = www.mp3.com/veloopity From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 02:22:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25713; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 02:20:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 02:20:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DDC8955.3A9AEA02@tapehissrecordings.com> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 02:20:53 -0500 From: Scott Carr Organization: Tapehiss Recordings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE THREAD TITLE WHEN THE SUBJECT OF THETHREADCHANGES SIGNIFICANTLY References: <200211170015.TAA20293@hemlock.violacea.com> <029601c28f8c$60e97060$0964f93f@global> <3DD9D4C3.AEC53C17@tapehissrecordings.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20021120014550.0258b350@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7o3KN.A.rRG.ykI39@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please excuse this lurker for making a minor timely administrative request. I suppose I should've woven myself more completely into the social fabric here before making such a pretentious and unreasonable query. I hope that Loopers-Delight always stays the same with no changes or updates to protocol. What passed muster 20 years ago is surely good enough for today, don't you think? This list has no moderator, why should it have an administrator? I'll see if I can get a monochrome display and convert the messages to base2 so that I can get the REAL binary feel for what's going on in the world of like-minded musicians. I might learn something invaluable in the process (though I really long for an animated GIF file of a little rubber ducky with a funny smile attached so I can graphically see the messages and group them easily with MSN 8). Actually, can I modify my request? Could Kim please just draw a picture that represents each posting? I think this one could well be characterized as a sinking boat (not sure what color), but I don't want to taint his imagination - so strike that.... ;) Sorry, baiting the patron is bad and I will stop.... Seriously though, I like this list and I'm not planning to pack up my Duplo's and storm off. I respect Kim for his efforts + investments and don't mean to denigrate those things. I've learned an awful lot from the kind folks here + hope to eventually know what the heck an EDP or a Repeater can do (or whatever the next live looping device might be). I've listened to a few tracks that have been mentioned here (particularly those of Andre LaFosse) and found a whole different intriguing side of looping (I'm one of those awful SOFTWARE composition Loopers) to look into. Thanks for having me! I will set up multiple lame ass filters as I can see there is a pedantic and stubborn resistance to a simple centralized solution to e-mail sorting and management for this list. Scott (the moron) Kim Flint wrote: > no, you are not going to like hearing this, but it is an anti-moron thing. > > Mailing lists have been running on the internet for probably 20 years or > more. It used to be that no lists had idiot features like prefixes added on > the subject line. That is because it used to be that most of the people > using the internet were at least bright enough to figure out how to use > their email program, and could set up filters to do what they wanted with > their email. There was no need for such nonsense. > > In the past few years, just about everybody got on the internet, including > all the stupid people. Since the stupid users turned out to be either too > dumb or too lazy to create email filters, plus they whine a lot, many list > owners gave in and added all sorts of extra crap to their lists to help the > morons continue to be morons. > > However, I find within myself a strong aversion to being a moron-enabler. I > rather believe that people getting forced to learn something might end up > being better for it. I also don't see why I should do a lot of extra work > to add a feature that everybody already has the ability to do with their > mail program. If this causes a few morons get frustrated and leave the list > (assuming they can figure out how to do that), that doesn't really seem > like a bad thing to me. > > kim -- ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine http://www.tapehissrecordings.com and our sites at the world's largest online cut-out bin http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves http://mp3.com/hebephrenica http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime ....and for a whole new kind of music.... http://www.tapegerm.com ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 03:00:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA27349; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 02:56:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 02:56:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DDC91E3.BCB184AC@tapehissrecordings.com> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 02:57:23 -0500 From: Scott Carr Organization: Tapehiss Recordings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: 80's looping? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sometime in the mid-late 80's (probably around 85 - 87???) there was a show on PBS that featured a woman looping with what looked like a digital delay guitar pedal. It was really cool + my first exposure to live looping performance. I think it might've been in the "Alive from Off Center" series, but I can't remember. I think it would be too embarrasing to try to vocally emulate the audio + post it somewhere - so let it suffice to say that it sounded something like "oom-chick-a-ooh-wahhaahhhhhh" repeated (obviously). Does this souncd vaguely familiar to anyone? Scott -- ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine http://www.tapehissrecordings.com and our sites at the world's largest online cut-out bin http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves http://mp3.com/hebephrenica http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime ....and for a whole new kind of music.... http://www.tapegerm.com ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 03:32:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29557; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 03:19:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 03:19:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:17:49 -0800 Subject: Re: 80's looping? From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3DDC91E3.BCB184AC@tapehissrecordings.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com laurie anderson does/did that-so maybe thats who ya mean. i could be wrong and i'll eat a bug... (i dont think pamela z was doing that,yet @that time) stain > Sometime in the mid-late 80's (probably around 85 - 87???) there was a > show on PBS that featured a woman looping with what looked like a > digital delay guitar pedal. It was really cool + my first exposure to > live looping performance. I think it might've been in the "Alive from > Off Center" series, but I can't remember. I think it would be too > embarrasing to try to vocally emulate the audio + post it somewhere - so > let it suffice to say that it sounded something like > "oom-chick-a-ooh-wahhaahhhhhh" repeated (obviously). > > Does this souncd vaguely familiar to anyone? > > Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 04:16:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA00782; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 04:15:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 04:15:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c2913e$fc888340$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <6.2a38c66.2b0d304c@aol.com> <001b01c290cd$bdf39d70$efa55e82@audiows> <3DDBFC84.B8351199@zerocrossing.net> <001301c290e9$e9823700$0201a8c0@eluk> <000701c290eb$9f4f8be0$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> <3DDC26BF.D4EEC917@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: OT: Re: Starscapes/Real audio rant Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:18:41 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark asked: > Uh, why not just mp3? MPEG is a mature and robust format. MPEG4 is quite > amazing IMO. The beauty of the Quicktime format is that it encompasses most of > the major codecs, including MPEG4. Windows Media is actually pretty good too, > and you can get them to play on most macs, though not quite as well. > The reason is streaming, pure and simple. Despite what one might think about people being used to mp3 as a format I think most computer users blanch at the idea of [1] having to download a song before you listen to it, and [2] the file size is prohibitively large. I think mp3, as great as it is, also still has its problems beyond this, but most of the disinformation about Napster/etc (courtesy of the RIAA/Big Five) would have us think that EVERYONE downloads, plays and shares mp3 files. I'm not even sure that it's a 40% penetration yet. QuickTime, alas, has its own predatory processing going on too, though not as bad as Real/AOL, and their download/update process has until recently been flawed at best. Whatever the case is, I refuse to be a pawn in some company's attempt to gain market dominance, like I was for Real. Apple's no more a "kinder gentler" company than anyone else, in any event. S.P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! > Clifford Novey wrote: > > > I agree- Real One is Satan's spawn- you have to be really determined and > > patient to root out all the pop ups, auto notify, computer scanning, ultra > > infiltrating crap they include with it. And I too think it sounds crummy in > > the end anyways but i was 'forced' to install it yesterday as so many folks > > use it. > > I prefer .wma format over all others 9yes I know it is MS product)- sounds > > the best and I can use WinAmp to play them. Too bad it doesent play on the > > Mac platform as it is supposed to. It is also interesting to note that > > WinAmp was bought out by AOL. Isn't AOL linked to Real? They prob own them. > > > > Cliff > > > > > Why should > > > they care? > > > > > > Unfortunately, lots of sites use the format, thanks to Real's ascent - on > > > most of OUR backs - to dominance in the codec arena. I don't know why > > > really, given the awful quality of the results their encoders now produce. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 05:30:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA05542; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 05:27:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 05:27:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:26:41 +0100 Subject: Re: Stuart falls in love with the REPEATER Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <007801c29105$c3de8780$7f63f93f@global> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: <3EJaH.A.dWB.DUL39@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > You compared it to the EDP.... No I did not!... do you think that I want to bring the wrath of angry flame mails again, like I did when I first joined the list and did the same? :) I know they are completely different units. As most of my looping has been played through the DL4, I believe that the EDP would have been the sensible step up for my way of playing.... both I believe (from what I have read on list) are similar organic looping devices. However, I got a Repeater, and I'm not sorry now :) > I guess what I am saying, Stuart is, keep saving your money!!! > Someone as > creative as you should own both of these stellar boxes because they do > equally hip, but very different things to looping music. When I see how much money I have given the taxman already, and the price of the new EDP, it makes me want to cry. One day.... one day :) -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 06:07:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA08814; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 06:04:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 06:04:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:32:32 +0100 Subject: Re: Should ambient music be performed live? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002a01c29106$c1e2e920$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> Message-Id: <8B133F77-FD3C-11D6-9B18-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Would you get the same satisfaction going and listening to your cd > play? The moment that you start playing with pre-recorded material, you start to limit the enormous freedom that looping provides. I did a set a year or so ago with an electronic DJ, and 50% of the backing was pre-recorded on ProTools. Whilst the audience liked it, I felt frustrated. It was difficult to produce that audience/performer telepathic communication thing.... But saying that, do whatever you feel has to be done. If you think that using backing CD/tracks will increase the options for your music then go ahead and do it. Don't impose unnecessary limitations just for the sake of rules... However, if it is just to give you an easier job for the same money, then its selling out :) -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 06:28:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA09826; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 06:27:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 06:27:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DDCC355.910CCFBE@club-internet.fr> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:28:22 +0100 From: Emmanuel PERILLE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [fr] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stuart falls in love with the REPEATER References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stuart, Why don't you loop now with the software you shew me when we met instead of hardware loopers ? Couldn't you do the same live looping music with just only your labtop ? Emmanuel "Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project)" wrote : > > You compared it to the EDP.... > > No I did not!... do you think that I want to bring the wrath of angry > flame mails again, like I did when I first joined the list and did the > same? :) > > I know they are completely different units. As most of my looping has > been played through the DL4, I believe that the EDP would have been the > sensible step up for my way of playing.... both I believe (from what I > have read on list) are similar organic looping devices. > > However, I got a Repeater, and I'm not sorry now :) > > > I guess what I am saying, Stuart is, keep saving your money!!! > > Someone as > > creative as you should own both of these stellar boxes because they do > > equally hip, but very different things to looping music. > > When I see how much money I have given the taxman already, and the > price of the new EDP, it makes me want to cry. > > One day.... one day :) > > -- > Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 06:37:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA10061; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 06:30:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 06:30:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DDCC36D.F22D9A99@ubuibi.org> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 03:28:45 -0800 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: love with the REPEATER References: <3DDCC355.910CCFBE@club-internet.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2NKimC.A.HdC.yPM39@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com an aside to 'peater fans, the legendary pink dots were using one for their noise segments on this latest tour. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 07:16:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA12854; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:14:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:14:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:00:07 +0100 Subject: Re: Stuart falls in love with the REPEATER Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3DDCC355.910CCFBE@club-internet.fr> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: <9BFUKC.A.wID.-4M39@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, November 21, 2002, at 12:28 PM, Emmanuel PERILLE wrote: > Why don't you loop now with the software you shew me when we met > instead of > hardware loopers ? > Couldn't you do the same live looping music with just only your labtop > ? Live is geat for triggering pre-recorded loops, but the important fact that Live does not allow overdubs makes it impossible for me to use it as my primary looping tool. I'm trying to find a way to include Ableton's Live with my setup, but at the moment, my laptop is being used as a software sampler (using Reason), triggered by the midi controllers and the audio piped through the desk. Unfortunately, with the size of the samples that I am using, I have no memory/processing power left to use Live on my same machine. I need to find another laptop (G3/G4) to use as a Live workstation. (= more money which I have not got). :) -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 10:29:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26617; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:23:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:23:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:18:59 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: 80's looping? To: Stan Card , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00b601c29171$9a044be0$1912be18@Douglas> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scott- I did indeed see that performance, and I can't tell you who it was. I can tell you she was using the Elecro-Harmonix 16-second digital delay pedal, getting excellent rhythmic effects by shifting the "delay length" slider at precise rhythmic subdivisions. This slider would shift the length of the loop/delay in even squares of two - a loop of one second could be doubled to two seconds, then doubled again to four seconds, then again to eight seconds, and again to sixteen seconds. And dropped back down. Stain wrote: > laurie anderson does/did that-so maybe thats who ya mean. > i could be wrong and i'll eat a bug... > (i dont think pamela z was doing that,yet @that time) Start chompin' Stain. Laurie it was not. Don't know pamela z. Anyone else know who it was? BTW, the effect was cool, jazzy, and highly accessable to my twisted ears - the artist was major-key tonal and, as I said, rhythmically in the pocket. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 10:44:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27214; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:32:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:32:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: -On the idea of playing digital watches and phone tones ... Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:29:01 -0500 Message-ID: <001a01c29172$b8a9f300$530a230a@ws42554> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20021120220618.00adae80@pop.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ooo! that reminds me of something too! a friend of mine and i were just goofing around with a sampler one fine day (8 years ago? egads), and i had a mic patched in to process the signal through the sampler's effects section. i had one of my FAV patches dialed up, a 4 stage phase with a feedback loop into a stereo delay. my friend takes the phone off the hook and just starts moving the earpeice in and around the microphone. that REALLY annoying EHN EHN EHN EHN EHN tone that the phone produces when you leave it off the hook became something REALLY wonderful through the phase/delay loop. weee! mike -----Original Message----- From: Goddess [mailto:thefates@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 12:06 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: -On the idea of playing digital watches and such... -Speaking of digital watches, at a mostly acoustic jam onece, during a particularly crazed and dissonant excursion, I was suddenly possessed of the idea to play my cell phone. I quickly rummaged in my purse, grabbed it, and found the ring type menu and cycled back and forth as musically as I could, through the various sounds and song'type rings to come up with some relatively coherent and quite interestingly complex musical patterns with them. It was a lot of fun, and people really dug it! It fit with the piece marvelously... Perhaps I'll use it in a loop... Have a wonderful evening, All... Catch ya laters... Smiles and beeps... Cara --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 10:45:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28309; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:44:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:44:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c29176$7164b8f0$79a35e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: Subject: mp3.com OT? (was: Re: Starscapes) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:55:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Why don't you set up a page at mp3.com I'd love to listen to Mark & other loopers on mp3.com, but I always get suspicious when I'm asked to give my email address at that site. What's up with that? Is there any increase in spam as a result? When directed to mp3.com, I haven't continued the investigation. Am I being overly skeptical? Anything I should beware of? I'm on a 28.8 modem, btw. I've got some nice music from Stuart, etc, from non-mp3.com sites.... Thanks, and sorry for the mundane question...here it is 2002 - probably hard to imagine someone new to mp3 stuff! David A. > hi Leander, > > > > Ok, here's some more stuff from the same CD. > > http://www.editionrahe.de/EDRA/music/Pulsar.ram > > truly great music, I love it!! > > Why don't you set up a page at mp3.com - this is fast and easy to do and the > format will suit your music better. People with a fast connection (like me) > can listen in 128 Kbps which is much better than realaudio. > > > = michael peters > = www.mp3.com/veloopity From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 11:13:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31170; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:10:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:10:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c29178$720d9130$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <20021120223003.3795.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.5.32.20021120220618.00adae80@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: -On the idea of playing digital watches and such... Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:10:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -Speaking of digital watches, at a mostly acoustic jam onece, during a > particularly crazed and dissonant excursion, I was suddenly possessed of > the idea to play my cell phone. > . . . You might enjoy/use something I discovered a few years ago. I posted it but it's been a while so I'll repeat it (naturally)! Context: My improv group did a performance called "It's for You" featuring cell phones, answering machines, etc. We used a bunch of cell phone donated by a local Cellular One office. Typically, we would call each other during the performance. Discovery: I noticed that there is quite a delay between speaking into a cell phone and when the speech comes out the other end. So I took two cell phones and called one from the other. Then I held them head to foot (to speak politely) so that the earphone of one was aimed at the mic of the other and vice versa. Instant looper!. The sound would recirculate with acoustic/electronic feedback. I held the conglomerate up to a mic to put it in the PA. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 11:16:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31193; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:10:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:10:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:10:34 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: 80's looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <069801c29178$859b5d90$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00b601c29171$9a044be0$1912be18@Douglas> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com that sounds pretty cool. i'd like to hear it. btw, sorry for being fussy, but that would be powers of 2... >... >... This slider would shift the length > of the loop/delay in even squares of two - a loop of one second could be > doubled to two seconds, then doubled again to four seconds, then again to > eight seconds, and again to sixteen seconds. And dropped back down. >... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 11:18:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31787; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:17:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:17:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1037895426!35265 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA8C8@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Radio Massacre International Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:11:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C29178.A916EC30" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29178.A916EC30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>these guys may be using loops, and I just don't realize it..... Planets On The Wires. This is a GREAT disc!.....<<< thanks, chris. we do indeed loop, and have done in some form or other since my 10" loops of 1/4", twenty-odd years ago, followed closely by parking two 1/4" decks adjacently in a fripp-stylee without being aware of his use of the technique. much later we got a powertran mcs-1 (kit-sampler/delay from the early 80s), then a boss half-rack delay/shifter with a freeze input. now we have two jam-mans, two repeaters.... but most of the musical repetition is from analogue sequencers, up to seven patterns running simultaneously and changing/being edited in real-time. the lexicons and electrixes are referred to locally as "freeze boxes" and tend to be used for grabbing chunks of noise, with guitar phrases and keyboard phrases coming second and third on the list. oddly, there's very little use of the jam-man on "planets", which predates the repeaters; we had to do the guitar parts seperately from the rest for geographical-logistical reasons, so the trusty DL4 is the looping box you can hear. I forgot to put a clock on the m/track and the lousy footswitches you get from lexicon don't lend themselves to tap-tempo too well. besides, the tape-delay on the DL4 is excellent at sounding like a really f*cked copycat with the erase magnet removed, which was the right effect on the day. yes, I work for mtv-europe. we've been on it, with our original jam-man in full view of the "party zone" cameras.... d/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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>>these guys may be using loops, and I just don't r= ealize it..... Planets On The Wires. This is a GREAT disc!.....<<<=

thanks, chris. we do indeed loop, and have done in some f= orm or other since my 10" loops of 1/4", twenty-odd years ago, fo= llowed closely by parking two 1/4" decks adjacently in a fripp-stylee = without being aware of his use of the technique.

much later we got a powertran mcs-1 (kit-sampler/delay fr= om the early 80s), then a boss half-rack delay/shifter with a freeze input.= now we have two jam-mans, two repeaters.... but most of the musical repeti= tion is from analogue sequencers, up to seven patterns running simultaneous= ly and changing/being edited in real-time. the lexicons and electrixes are = referred to locally as "freeze boxes" and tend to be used for gra= bbing chunks of noise, with guitar phrases and keyboard phrases coming seco= nd and third on the list.

oddly, there's very little use of the jam-man on "pl= anets", which predates the repeaters; we had to do the guitar parts se= perately from the rest for geographical-logistical reasons, so the trusty D= L4 is the looping box you can hear. I forgot to put a clock on the m/track = and the lousy footswitches you get from lexicon don't lend themselves to ta= p-tempo too well. besides, the tape-delay on the DL4 is excellent at soundi= ng like a really f*cked copycat with the erase magnet removed, which was th= e right effect on the day.

yes, I work for mtv-europe. we've been on it, with our or= iginal jam-man in full view of the "party zone" cameras....

d/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C29178.A916EC30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 11:28:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32383; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:24:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:24:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021121162359.1123.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:23:59 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: CFC size To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200211211107.GAA09021@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1zjJCD.A.55H.-iQ39@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SimpleTech 512MB which I bought through Costco.com. This was 6 months ago and the price is still dropping. Check around for the best price. sorry if i missed it, but what brand of cfc are you using and where did you get it? thanks monk __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus – Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 11:38:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00647; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:34:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:34:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:32:46 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: Should ambient music be performed live? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DDD0AAE.ACE581FE@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <150.179e0a60.2b0d9bdc@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not saying that people don't seem to like it. I guess I just spent years playing in pop/rock bands where the band is the show. With ambient music, I'm really not the show any longer. That's OK. To be honest, I think it allows me to be a better performer, but I can't help but think. If people aren't watching me, why am I doing it live? So, just to clarify, I'm not talking about the environment. Believe me, the environment at the rave (it was a "chill" downtempo rave) was great. You couldn't imagine a better gig. I'm just wondering if this genera is the best in terms of live performance. Mark Sottilaro Jhsidlo@aol.com wrote: > Good question that lies in the environment of the venue. I perform with > DreamLand and solo at coffee shops in San Antonio. That's an incline:) But > people seem to like it. I think performing solo (like a stand up comedian) is > a true test of ones mettle. But I'm pursing it. Because if you don't try, > you've only yourself to blame. > > Peace, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 11:53:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01424; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:50:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:50:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:48:05 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: -On the idea of playing digital watches and such... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DDD0E44.A020E7AB@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20021120223003.3795.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.5.32.20021120220618.00adae80@pop.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's even better if you have someone call you while you're playing and have them talk. I did this at the Santa Cruz loop fest this summer. My wife called me from the audience. It was pretty funny. The speaker was a little feeble though. Maybe a contact mic would help. Those "talkabouts" two way radios also work really well. Talk about channeling. Mark Sottilaro Goddess wrote: > -Speaking of digital watches, at a mostly acoustic jam onece, during a > particularly crazed and dissonant excursion, I was suddenly possessed of > the idea to play my cell phone. I quickly rummaged in my purse, grabbed > it, and found the ring type menu and cycled back and forth as musically as > I could, through the various sounds and song'type rings to come up with > some relatively coherent and quite interestingly complex musical patterns > with them. It was a lot of fun, and people really dug it! It > fit with the piece marvelously... > Perhaps I'll use it in a loop... Have a wonderful evening, All... > Catch ya laters... > > Smiles and beeps... > > Cara > > At 02:55 PM 11/20/02 -0700, you wrote: > >Right. I felt the same way when I got the Repeater. I was used to the > >JamMan but after I realized how to use the Repeater for what it was, and not > >what it wasn't, I too loved it. I did the same thing with the EDP. When I > >first got it I didn't like it because of what it wasn't. Expectation is a > >dangerous thing. (note to self: become more enlightened.) The truth is, if > >you're musical, you'll make music. With a DL4, EDP, Repeater, or with a > >Digital Watch. (HI RICK WALKER) The key is to stop not doing it. > > > >Mark Sottilaro > > > >> --- Stuart Wyatt wrote: > >> > I spent the best part of the day installing a new studio at home, and I > >> > have finally fallen completely in love with the Repeater. > >> . > >> . > >> > As soon as I stopped thinking about the music in the same was as I did > >> > with the DL4, then everything started to work.... :) > >> > >> Interesting. What was the perspective change that got you there? > >> > >> Greg > >> > > > > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 11:53:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01386; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:50:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:50:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021121114734.01c12860@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: rk93@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:49:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ritsu Katsumata Subject: Re: Should ambient music be performed live? In-Reply-To: <3DDD0AAE.ACE581FE@zerocrossing.net> References: <150.179e0a60.2b0d9bdc@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <0PksJD.A.kV.46Q39@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >If people aren't watching me, why am I doing it live? I think it's because the vibe that the audience gives the performer changes what and how the performer plays, especially in improvisation. I always feel like the audience is participating when I play live. Ritsu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 11:59:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02307; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:55:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:55:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:53:40 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: Should ambient music be performed live? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DDD0F94.4D33E5FC@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <6.2a38c66.2b0d304c@aol.com> <001b01c290cd$bdf39d70$efa55e82@audiows> <3DDBFC84.B8351199@zerocrossing.net> <3DDC1928.9A41C101@ubuibi.org> <3DDC30DD.5EBEFEE8@zerocrossing.net> <3DDC7564.11AAD952@ubuibi.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, that's not my main issue. (though those Mackie 450s are a bitch to lug upstairs past the washing machines) I'm just waxing philosophical about whether or not music that's meant to be a "sound track to life" is best heard/played in a live situation. I think what we do in BCO is different, because it's more of a show. das wrote: > geez man, not like your'e dragging a b5 and leslie.... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 12:03:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02759; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:57:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:57:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c2917f$168f7650$e4981cd5@penthouseviert> From: "Jukka Andersson" To: References: <150.179e0a60.2b0d9bdc@aol.com> <3DDD0AAE.ACE581FE@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Should ambient music be performed live? Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:57:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If people aren't watching > me, why am I doing it live? > Well.. hmm. okay. it may be easier with us when we have our own visualisations and thats what they are looking at and sametime our music is mostly improvisation which would not be that if it would not be live... I dont think main idea of live performance is that someone looks at you. sounds silly to me. Again it depends on setup and systems built on ambient also... I have to say one of the most boring session was with one quite famous ambient/electronica project where there was only 1 dude with big monitor (back of it pointing to audience) Now here I acree with you. That did look silly... but again he wasnt really playing live only mixing some tracks with ACID in my believe (had to peek what he was doing back there). And this was big electronic music festival here in Finland called "Koneisto" (machinery in english) well for us we use visualisation and different experimental places that helps us to make live music as well not only for audience. .jukka www.rihmasto.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 12:09:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05283; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:08:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:08:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:06:32 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: -On the idea of playing digital watches and such... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DDD1298.75CBEA7D@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20021120223003.3795.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.5.32.20021120220618.00adae80@pop.earthlink.net> <003401c29178$720d9130$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com GREAT IDEA. Dennis Leas wrote: > > -Speaking of digital watches, at a mostly acoustic jam onece, during a > > particularly crazed and dissonant excursion, I was suddenly possessed of > > the idea to play my cell phone. > > . . . > > You might enjoy/use something I discovered a few years ago. I posted it but > it's been a while so I'll repeat it (naturally)! > > Context: My improv group did a performance called "It's for You" featuring > cell phones, answering machines, etc. We used a bunch of cell phone donated > by a local Cellular One office. Typically, we would call each other during > the performance. > > Discovery: I noticed that there is quite a delay between speaking into a > cell phone and when the speech comes out the other end. So I took two cell > phones and called one from the other. Then I held them head to foot (to > speak politely) so that the earphone of one was aimed at the mic of the > other and vice versa. Instant looper!. The sound would recirculate with > acoustic/electronic feedback. I held the conglomerate up to a mic to put it > in the PA. > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 12:12:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04544; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:05:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:05:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:03:57 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: Should ambient music be performed live? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DDD11FD.19B09217@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <8B133F77-FD3C-11D6-9B18-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not talking about using CDs for backing tracks. I wouldn't do that. Believe me, with a looper, drum machine, guitar, bass and guitar synth, I can make plenty of noise. I'm saying produce a total track *that includes live looping* that's delivered on a CD. I'd still have the joy of playing with my looper in an interactive way, just not at the show itself. I'm just wondering if that makes a difference. I guess I have to try it and see. Mark Sottilaro "Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project)" wrote: > > Would you get the same satisfaction going and listening to your cd > > play? > > The moment that you start playing with pre-recorded material, you start > to limit the enormous freedom that looping provides. I did a set a year > or so ago with an electronic DJ, and 50% of the backing was > pre-recorded on ProTools. Whilst the audience liked it, I felt > frustrated. It was difficult to produce that audience/performer > telepathic communication thing.... > > But saying that, do whatever you feel has to be done. If you think that > using backing CD/tracks will increase the options for your music then > go ahead and do it. Don't impose unnecessary limitations just for the > sake of rules... However, if it is just to give you an easier job for > the same money, then its selling out :) > -- > Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 12:39:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08355; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:38:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:38:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DDD1A21.89430058@tapehissrecordings.com> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:38:41 -0500 From: Scott Carr Organization: Tapehiss Recordings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 80's looping? References: <00b601c29171$9a044be0$1912be18@Douglas> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This sounds right. It was definately not Laurie Anderson. Scott Douglas Baldwin wrote: > > Scott- > I did indeed see that performance, and I can't tell you who it was. I > can tell you she was using the Elecro-Harmonix 16-second digital delay > pedal, getting excellent rhythmic effects by shifting the "delay length" > slider at precise rhythmic subdivisions. This slider would shift the length > of the loop/delay in even squares of two - a loop of one second could be > doubled to two seconds, then doubled again to four seconds, then again to > eight seconds, and again to sixteen seconds. And dropped back down. > Stain wrote: > > > laurie anderson does/did that-so maybe thats who ya mean. > > i could be wrong and i'll eat a bug... > > (i dont think pamela z was doing that,yet @that time) > > Start chompin' Stain. Laurie it was not. Don't know pamela z. Anyone else > know who it was? BTW, the effect was cool, jazzy, and highly accessable to > my twisted ears - the artist was major-key tonal and, as I said, > rhythmically in the pocket. -- ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine http://www.tapehissrecordings.com and our sites at the world's largest online cut-out bin http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves http://mp3.com/hebephrenica http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime ....and for a whole new kind of music.... http://www.tapegerm.com ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 14:28:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17053; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:26:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:26:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:40:08 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: 80's looping? In-reply-to: <3DDC91E3.BCB184AC@tapehissrecordings.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3DDC91E3.BCB184AC@tapehissrecordings.com> Resent-Message-ID: <63lmLB.A.TKE.bNT39@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:57 AM -0500 11/21/02, Scott Carr wrote: >Sometime in the mid-late 80's (probably around 85 - 87???) there was a >show on PBS that featured a woman looping with what looked like a >digital delay guitar pedal. ...it sounded something like >"oom-chick-a-ooh-wahhaahhhhhh" repeated (obviously). Joan La Barbara? Shelley Hirsch? Annette Peacock? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 14:41:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18083; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:39:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:39:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014301c29196$1d317e60$b6484ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <20021117230852.6139.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: What the hell happened here????/tour roundup... Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:41:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Blimey! I go away on tour for a month, and all hell breaks loose on LD - what was all that about? Anyway, I'm back after a loopalicious month of gigs opening for Level 42 (to a largely virgin loop audience), and some shows with Michael Manring and David Friesen, as well as some clinics in between... what's most startling, in light of some of the discussions in recent times is just how many people have no idea about real time looping, and are totally with it as soon as they hear it and have it explained (I did a 30 second 'it's not on CD, it's me playing and looping' schpeil each night to explain what was going on') - loads of emails from people wanting to know about looping devices/when the new EDPs will be around... loads of questions out by the merch stand each night... Looping can certainly capture the imagination of the listening public, and does have mass market appeal, if the music that's being looped works for them. No question... I've played to about 35,000 people in the last month, sold a shed load of CDs, and will hopefully get to do it all again next year when the second leg of the tour takes off... taking over the world, one loop at a time... :o) Have a look at the guestbook on my site for more reviews, should you be interested... New CD out now (released about three weeks ago) - haven't had time to do any promo, but it's already outsold the last one... :o) CC ordering via the website - CD's called Not Dancing For Chicken - thanks to everyone who's already bought it... I'll be over in California in Jan/Feb, playing with Andre, Rick and some others, as well as doing some solo stuff, so hope to catch up with lots of you then... Dates are still being finalised - suggestions for venues/other places a short flight away from CA that can be investigated, all welcome... big love and loops... (sorry if this sounds like a newsletter, I'm knackered from all the gigging and driving and am not yet communicating on all cylinders... :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 15:02:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20500; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:59:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:59:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: What the hell happened here????/tour roundup... Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:59:55 -0000 Message-ID: <000101c29198$8fddced0$2c9323d9@nigela> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <014301c29196$1d317e60$b6484ed5@bigboy> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <_VE_MC.A.OAF.4sT39@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Glad you're back safely Steve. This is great news for the new EDP+ which is still on schedule to be delivered before Christmas. I am extremely happy with the performance of the unit and its production progress. I'll post more concrete info when it's available. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Lawson [mailto:steve@steve-lawson.co.uk] Sent: 21 November 2002 19:41 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: What the hell happened here????/tour roundup... Blimey! I go away on tour for a month, and all hell breaks loose on LD - what was all that about? Anyway, I'm back after a loopalicious month of gigs opening for Level 42 (to a largely virgin loop audience), and some shows with Michael Manring and David Friesen, as well as some clinics in between... what's most startling, in light of some of the discussions in recent times is just how many people have no idea about real time looping, and are totally with it as soon as they hear it and have it explained (I did a 30 second 'it's not on CD, it's me playing and looping' schpeil each night to explain what was going on') - loads of emails from people wanting to know about looping devices/when the new EDPs will be around... loads of questions out by the merch stand each night... Looping can certainly capture the imagination of the listening public, and does have mass market appeal, if the music that's being looped works for them. No question... I've played to about 35,000 people in the last month, sold a shed load of CDs, and will hopefully get to do it all again next year when the second leg of the tour takes off... taking over the world, one loop at a time... :o) Have a look at the guestbook on my site for more reviews, should you be interested... New CD out now (released about three weeks ago) - haven't had time to do any promo, but it's already outsold the last one... :o) CC ordering via the website - CD's called Not Dancing For Chicken - thanks to everyone who's already bought it... I'll be over in California in Jan/Feb, playing with Andre, Rick and some others, as well as doing some solo stuff, so hope to catch up with lots of you then... Dates are still being finalised - suggestions for venues/other places a short flight away from CA that can be investigated, all welcome... big love and loops... (sorry if this sounds like a newsletter, I'm knackered from all the gigging and driving and am not yet communicating on all cylinders... :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 15:14:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21532; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:12:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:12:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1037909574!10568 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA8D4@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: what the hell happened here? Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:07:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C29199.9A940190" Resent-Message-ID: <9caF_B.A.WQF.I5T39@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29199.9A940190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Blimey! I go away on tour for a month, and all hell breaks loose on LD - what was all that about?<< me too. and after much arsing about w/ amazon refusing to ship "electronics" abroad, I think I've cyber-persuaded these folks to send me a 128 simpletech card for each of my repeaters: https://wwws.neutronexpress.com/ now let's see if I can get the bastards to behave themselves. did anyone actually read my posting about repeater problems or were you too busy listening to each others' mp3s? :-) this records-at-twice-the-prevailing-midi-tempo thing... anyone else seen it? all that stuff with miko was pretty nasty. I think some of you guys should be a little less precious about "your" inboxes and maybe regard the internet (especially public lists to which you subscribe) as more like tv or radio and less like y'r personal space. (do you leap out and punch the guy who puts pizza hut flyers through y'r door? yeah, thought so.) I just came back from ten days or so away from my mailbox and have therefore just ploughed through around 900 mails from this list. the greater proportion of them were either so far up their own philosophical fundament, and rambling, or just plain pants, that I skipped them. one or two folks begging for tech advice... good. and then all this rage and "get out of my face, drunken fool!" directed at miko. those of the participants who've unsubscribed- you're welcome to your peace. personally, I like a good rant, however off-topic or surreal it gets, and "there's one on every list" anyway, so someone will no doubt step into the breach and start sending dozens of one-liners after too much of the herb trumpet late at night. one e-mail a day is the most productive idea I've heard in ages, and this is about the right length before people get bored. well, me anyway. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>Blimey!

I go away on tour for a month, and all hell breaks loose = on LD - what was
all that about?<<

me too. and after much arsing about w/ amazon refusing to= ship "electronics" abroad, I think I've cyber-persuaded these fo= lks to send me a 128 simpletech card for each of my repeaters: https://wwws.neutronexpr= ess.com/

now let's see if I can get the bastards to behave themsel= ves. did anyone actually read my posting about repeater problems or were yo= u too busy listening to each others' mp3s? :-)  this records-at-twice-= the-prevailing-midi-tempo thing... anyone else seen it?

all that stuff with miko was pretty nasty. I think some o= f you guys should be a little less precious about "your" inboxes = and maybe regard the internet (especially public lists to which you subscri= be) as more like tv or radio and less like y'r personal space.

(do you leap out and punch the guy who puts pizza hut fly= ers through y'r door? yeah, thought so.)

I just came back from ten days or so away from my mailbox= and have therefore just ploughed through around 900 mails from this list. = the greater proportion of them were either so far up their own philosophica= l fundament, and rambling, or just plain pants, that I skipped them.

one or two folks begging for tech advice... good. and the= n all this rage and "get out of my face, drunken fool!" directed = at miko. those of the participants who've unsubscribed- you're welcome to y= our peace.

personally, I like a good rant, however off-topic or surr= eal it gets, and "there's one on every list" anyway, so someone w= ill no doubt step into the breach and start sending dozens of one-liners af= ter too much of the herb trumpet late at night.

one e-mail a day is the most productive idea I've heard i= n ages, and this is about the right length before people get bored. well, m= e anyway.

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C29199.9A940190-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 15:31:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22900; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:22:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:22:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dylan DeAnda" To: Subject: First Excursions into Frippertronics Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:25:03 -0500 Organization: Loudcloud, Inc. Message-ID: <01ba01c2919c$12cac700$9940a8c0@dyland> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I've just picked up (For the "Nice Price" of 99cents) Robert Fripp's, God Save the Queen, on vinyl. My question is, since all of you guys here are frippfanatics, what should I be listening for? Or, what are some more interesting points about the album? I've read the liner notes, and understand what he's trying to propose (A journey into the first forms of Frippertronics). I read how he was so "Cheeky" as to deny a request for Star Spangled Banner, as "Some other guitarist had done it already," and opted to belt out God Save the Queen. Does anyone else have any comments on what to look for or why something is especially noteworthy? Gracias. D Dylan DeAnda EDS Automated Operations From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 15:38:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23474; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:29:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:29:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021121202956.32967.qmail@web80102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:29:56 -0800 (PST) From: Kirkland Mack Subject: tools of the trade-why so incomplete? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1867537091-1037910596=:32655" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1867537091-1037910596=:32655 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi I'm new here and I was poking around the website trying to get some in depth info on digitech PDS and RDS units as well as earlier BOSS/Roland DDL's which are looper friendly. Basically where I'm coming from is I'm looking for a DDL with 4+seconds of delay, controls which allow me to, at the very least, change the pitch of the loop on the fly, and preferably some kind of sampling mode which I can solo over although this is not vital as I can use an AB box to accomplish this if need be. I don't have a preference as far as pedal vs. rackmount but it has to work well run in front of the amp as I don't have an fx loop and am not about to upgrade or modify my vibrolux reverb ;-) I'm especially interested in sleepers like some of the older BOSS/Roland, Digitech/DOD etc. models (ADA? Ibanez? Deltalab? Korg? Lexicon? TC?) Thanks y'all! Kirk --0-1867537091-1037910596=:32655 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hi I'm new here and I was poking around the website trying to get some in depth info on digitech PDS and RDS units as well as earlier BOSS/Roland DDL's which are looper friendly. Basically where I'm coming from is I'm looking for a DDL with 4+seconds of delay, controls which allow me to, at the very least, change the pitch of the loop on the fly, and preferably some kind of sampling mode which I can solo over although this is not vital as I can use an AB box to accomplish this if need be. I don't have a preference as far as pedal vs. rackmount but it has to work well run in front of the amp as I don't have an fx loop and am not about to upgrade or modify my vibrolux reverb ;-) I'm especially interested in sleepers like some of the older BOSS/Roland, Digitech/DOD  etc. models (ADA? Ibanez? Deltalab? Korg? Lexicon? TC?) Thanks y'all!   Kirk --0-1867537091-1037910596=:32655-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 15:42:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24105; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:38:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:38:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dylan DeAnda" To: Subject: Cher Sound-Alike on the EDP (EDP as EFX) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:41:10 -0500 Organization: Loudcloud, Inc. Message-ID: <01c401c2919e$5366edf0$9940a8c0@dyland> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey All, I haven't heard too much about using the EDP for EFX, I use my edp for practicing my scratching, but also for effecting sounds, here's one: I was just having fun last night, trying to make my wife laugh, I was using my edp (loopIV), with the feedback turned to about 115 (Adjust to your liking, more feedback gives you more cher, and less, gives you more you.) Anyhoo, the feedback was at 115, the loop length was effective from about .02 to .06 for the true "Do you beeeelieve in liife after Luvvv?" sound. Loop length: .02-.06 Feedback setting: ~115-~100 Overdub: On Continuing on, the loop is short enough that the feedback drops off really quickly, and it gives that robotic or cyber sound to your voice. This is fun, for adding efx, or making your wife laugh, especially when you wear the skin-tight black spandex thing with your butt-cheeks hanging out..... I know this isn't a good tech-how-to post, I'll do better next time. D Dylan DeAnda EDS Automated Operations + Plan-Do-Check-Act + dylan@loudcloud.com + 703-653-6883 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 15:42:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24194; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:39:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:39:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021121203942.43055.qmail@web10101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:39:42 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: digitech rds triggering solutions? = midi to din sync To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00d201c29096$b1a3ee80$d7b407d5@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Adam, >From my understanding of what you want to do, you need what is commonly referrred to as a midi to din sync converter or trigger. You don't really need a midi to cv converter (though some will generate a trigger driven by the midi clock). Midi to cv converters will cost more than just a sync converter due to the circuitry for generating the cv(s) from note on/off and continuous controller information. If you want to convert the midi clock to a 5 volt pulse, here are some ways to do this: http://www.blacet.com/MSdata.html http://m.bareille.free.fr/mc628/mc628.html http://www.colinfraser.com/m2d/m2d.htm http://www.maxmidi.com/diy/metro/ I have not used any of these circuits/designs, so I can't speak to whether they work at all, or how well. The blacet chip looks interesting, cheap, and rather easy to use. They show a schematic with a divide by feature to generate the number of triggers per measure that you want. The kenton pro solo can do this conversion also: http://www.kentonuk.com/reviews/soloreview1.html I have used the pro solo to trigger moog synths from the midi clock . The pro solo also has a divide by feature to choose how many beats per measure it delivers to the sync trigger. Midi clock produces 24 pulses per quarter note. The pro solo allows dividing this by as much as 24, or as little as 2. The pro solo can also be configured to emit either positive going or negative going pulse. Moogs require negative going pulse (s trigger, or shorting trigger). You say you need positive going pulse. The pro solo can do this. A fellow on ebay is selling many different midi to pulse sync converters like this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1287&item=922785107 Here is a list of his stuff at ebay: http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=sync_din&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=25 If that link doesn't work because of the way it is split in this email just search for seller sync_din at ebay. I am not endorsing this seller nor his products. I have NOT done business with him. He could probably answer your questions about what would work in your situation, and maybe make something specific to your needs. Hope this helps. regards, bret --- Leander Reininghaus wrote: > Hi Adam, > > with search: "midi to 5v pulse" I found ( among others ) the > following link in Google, which might be interesting: > > http://www.synthesizers.com/q104.html > > > cheers again > > leander > > hello. > > I've searched everywhere for an answer to this Digitech RDS setup > question. > I have an alesis SR-16 midi drum machine which I would like to use > to > sync/trigger the following loopers: > > (3) Digitech RDS 8000 delay/samplers > (2) Digitech RDS 7.6 delay/samplers > (1) Digitech PDS 8000 delay/sampler > from what i understand the devices use a +5volt input to > trigger/sync. is > there a" midi to a +5 volt pulse" converter that can read midi info > from my > Alesis SR-16. > > Let me know if you know of any product/products that can tackle > these > duties. I'd love to have 6-8 triggers for expansion and flexibilty. > I'm also > curious to know what the rest of you are using to trigger these > older RDS > devices with? any suggestions? pitfalls? triumphs? > > For my live thing I would like some devices triggered at an 16 > count, some > at 8 counts, and some at 4 count. > > thanks > > adam > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus – Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 16:04:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26779; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:03:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:03:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: What the hell happened here????/tour roundup... Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:03:08 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000001c291a1$650fc650$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000101c29198$8fddced0$2c9323d9@nigela> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA26758 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Andy Ewen [mailto:andy.ewen@btinternet.com] > This is great news for the new EDP+ which is still on > schedule to be delivered before Christmas. Any plans for Scandinavia yet? After I did some gigs here I'm getting questioned by people that want to buy EDPs :-) What shall I tell them? Per Boysen - Sweden From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 16:25:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28422; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:19:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:19:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.120.98.166] From: "James Winger" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tools of the trade-why so incomplete? Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:18:49 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Nov 2002 21:18:49.0950 (UTC) FILETIME=[95D8B7E0:01C291A3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think the RDS page is looking for a sponsor (someone who can devote the time to content) Anyway, DOD/Digitech seems pretty damn unhelpful in the info gathering process on these. One gent is dealing with MIDI to CV issues right now. He is an active user so you might want to check in with him (you'll see his posts in the last couple of days). I think the lack of information may be one big reason those guys are sleepers From: Kirkland Mack Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: tools of the trade-why so incomplete? Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:29:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from mc8-f40.law1.hotmail.com ([65.54.253.176]) by mc8-s12.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:30:37 -0800 Received: from hemlock.violacea.com ([207.228.238.9]) by mc8-f40.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:30:36 -0800 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23471;Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:29:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:29:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021121202956.32967.qmail@web80102.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Return-Path: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Nov 2002 20:30:36.0830 (UTC) FILETIME=[D969A3E0:01C2919C] Hi I'm new here and I was poking around the website trying to get some in depth info on digitech PDS and RDS units as well as earlier BOSS/Roland DDL's which are looper friendly. Basically where I'm coming from is I'm looking for a DDL with 4+seconds of delay, controls which allow me to, at the very least, change the pitch of the loop on the fly, and preferably some kind of sampling mode which I can solo over although this is not vital as I can use an AB box to accomplish this if need be. I don't have a preference as far as pedal vs. rackmount but it has to work well run in front of the amp as I don't have an fx loop and am not about to upgrade or modify my vibrolux reverb ;-) I'm especially interested in sleepers like some of the older BOSS/Roland, Digitech/DOD etc. models (ADA? Ibanez? Deltalab? Korg? Lexicon? TC?) Thanks y'all! Kirk _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 16:32:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29177; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:31:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:31:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: mahijiru.cspc.us: www-data set sender to erwill@suitandtieguy.com using -f To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: First Excursions into Frippertronics Message-ID: <1037914288.3ddd50b02a8c2@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:31:28 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Williamson References: <01ba01c2919c$12cac700$9940a8c0@dyland> In-Reply-To: <01ba01c2919c$12cac700$9940a8c0@dyland> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.178.190 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Dylan DeAnda : > My question is, since all of you guys here are frippfanatics, what > should I be listening for? on vinyl, God Save The Queen is on one side and Under Heavy Manners is on the other. this is one of my favourite records, and i think they're both equally important sides. as far as God Save The Queen goes, i wouldn't go out of my way to "pay attention" to what's going on. just listen to the textures and how the loop develops. Under Heavy Manners is more interesting, to me. David Byrne's vocals on "Under Heavy Manners" are pretty funny, and so is the break in the middle with Fripp saying "Continue ...". "The Zero Of The Signified" is a remarkable track in that a) it's the first instance of dance music (DOR) with frippertronic underpinnings and b) that 6/8 guitar figure that runs with absolute repetition through the whole track was recorded _without_punch_ins_ as the SECOND TAKE!!! so you have here in "Zero Of The Signified" a perfect unadultered "Frippism". totally groovy and accessible, yet with an ethereal element (the frippertronic loops) and a very restrained show-offing of impeccable technique (the 12-minute 6/8 guitar figure). i like the album quite a bit. unfortunately bob totally wrecked it during the CD re-issue. first he overdubbed a marshall-overdrived guitar solo on "Zero...". then he put the two discotronics tracks on a hacked-up League Of Gentlemen re-issue. the 3 frippertronics tracks never made it to CD at all, even though there was plenty of room for them on "Let The Power Fall". Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 17:33:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01720; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:29:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:29:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:32:03 -0500 Subject: BASS-LOOP eXtravaGanza From: Daniel Soltzberg To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All-- Just want to say hello to everyone on the list-- I joined a few weeks ago-- just in time for the maelstrom of drama. I have to say, it's been kind of fun following it all-- sort of like being in my own reality TV show. Anyway, I've also been enjoying checking out the music of everyone who posts their mp3 and website links, and wanted to share my own as well. Songs are posted on the Oranje website at www.envelopeproductions.com I have two bass-oriented projects-- ghost 7 is solo and Oranje is a duo with a vocalist. There are pieces from both projects on the website-- the solo bass stuff is on the ghost 7 page, which links from my name-- anyway, you'll find it. All the sounds except drum samples were made on 4-string bass. Everything except two of the songs was recorded live (see if you can guess which ones are studio!), straight to 2-track, using a crazy complicated setup of loopers, volume pedals, a signal router, a tabletop mixer, etc., all of which I play as part of my live setup. I'd love to get people's responses to the music. thanks-- look forward to hearing from you. dan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 17:54:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03224; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:50:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:50:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DDD5515.19735E56@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:50:13 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Should ambient music be performed live? References: <150.179e0a60.2b0d9bdc@aol.com> <3DDD0AAE.ACE581FE@zerocrossing.net> <000b01c2917f$168f7650$e4981cd5@penthouseviert> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jukka Andersson wrote: > I have to say > one of the most boring session was with one quite famous ambient/electronica > project where there was only 1 dude with big monitor (back of it pointing to > audience) > Now here I acree with you. That did look silly... I'm not sure I'm that far from that in terms of visuals. I hate to say it, but the only people I really remember watching at any of the loopfests I've been to are Rick Walker (because he uses interesting objects for sound sources) Jon Wagner (drummers are very animated) Ted Killian (the expressiveness of his face and the interaction with the percussionist he played with was interesting) and Amy X. To be honest, as much as I enjoyed the music, the performances were more, "Ooo what gear is he using?" than anything else. Again, I'm wondering if we had a looper party where a DJ spun selected tracks we've done while people hung out and did whatever, it would have been as good. Maybe better. I think this changes when you have a group where there is dynamics between the players. My wife says, "You've got to have a gimmick or be pretty damn cute." I think she's right. Maybe I need a gimmick? I'm not meaning to be insulting, I'm just trying to hit on something here that I think is a common problem for a lot of loopers. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 18:56:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09397; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:50:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:50:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c291b8$bda82ac0$e4981cd5@penthouseviert> From: "Jukka Andersson" To: References: <150.179e0a60.2b0d9bdc@aol.com> <3DDD0AAE.ACE581FE@zerocrossing.net> <000b01c2917f$168f7650$e4981cd5@penthouseviert> <3DDD5515.19735E56@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Should ambient music be performed live? Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 01:50:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I think this changes when you have a group where there is dynamics between the > players. My wife says, "You've got to have a gimmick or be pretty damn cute." > I think she's right. Maybe I need a gimmick? > Well after my first live gig one girl came and did hug me yelling "you were so beautiful! how do you do that" My girlfriend were on audience as well and did not like it.. :) Actually we have 2 men orchestra where one of us plays more synths and me usually play around samples and loops... I guess I am not real looper since I use MD's, CD's, computer (ACID, Back To Basics...) and dont actually play in looper but use effects and combine different loops together... I do this on live and sometimes I also mic real instruments like didgeridoo and raintsicks etc. etc. but usually we do play only pre-recorded material. usually because it is difficult to work with small things in live situation where feedback is a big problem... I am planning to get good mic with nice feedback resistance like Oktava MC011 so I could sample and play around with things on live situation... but it wont replace our sample collection we have made during years. There is still enought to do with those in live situation .jukka From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 19:05:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11636; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:04:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:04:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <049c01c291bb$1dc72ee0$b6484ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <150.179e0a60.2b0d9bdc@aol.com> <3DDD0AAE.ACE581FE@zerocrossing.net> <000b01c2917f$168f7650$e4981cd5@penthouseviert> <3DDD5515.19735E56@zerocrossing.net> <000f01c291b8$bda82ac0$e4981cd5@penthouseviert> Subject: Re: Should ambient music be performed live? Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:07:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I think this changes when you have a group where there is dynamics between > the > > players. My wife says, "You've got to have a gimmick or be pretty damn > cute." > > I think she's right. Maybe I need a gimmick? I'm not sure about a gimmick, but people will respond if you look like you're offering them something worth looking at. Your use of Rick Walker as an example is very apt - Rick's performance is exceedingly visual, and as such incredibly engaging for people who would normally never give stuff that abstract the time of day... His Dayglo Green Plastic piece is pretty far out there in terms of sound and whatnot, but when we played at Borders (BORDERS!!!!) in Sacramento, you had everyone from little kids to folks in their 70s getting down with their bad selves to Rick's exaggerated movements and engaging expression... it works wonders. I make a point of dressing in 'stage clothes' - which swings from hippy-ish sarong and floaty shirt through to my current 'si-fi muppet' outfit of shiny silver t-shirt and blue fluffy jacket (think Fraggle auditioning for bit-part in Deep Space Nine), and I smile. A lot. Also, if at all possible, make it fun, for pete's sake (unless, obviously, it's a requiem or something intended to be dark...) - no matter how seriously you take it, you've got to bear in mind where your audience are at and what you want to get across to them... Best bet is to video yourself, and see how it comes across... I've learnt a heck of a lot in the last couple of months about dealing with crowds!!!! cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 22:36:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28862; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:34:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:34:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021122033415.62782.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:34:15 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Interesting Repeater quirks (was: CFC size) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200211210241.VAA01054@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SVG wrote: Since you asked, it seems possible to record an 8 minute loop at 240, drop the tempo down to 1 and then sit back for a loop of 32 hours in length. Y'know, it starts to grow on you the third time around... Jondrums replied: So here's the question: Can you record an 8 minute loop at 240 or so, then slow it down 10 times to 24bpm (80 minute loop) and then overdub? Hopefully this wouldn't bring the os to a grinding halt... Me (again): I did a test of this today (must have too much time on my hands or something). I recorded the maximum loop (8 minutes) at the maximum tempo (240 BPM) and then slowed it down 4 times (60 BPM). This effectively gave me a 32 minute loop. I was able to successfully overdub on top of that track as well as on other tracks. It doesn't bring the OS to a grinding halt, though the CFC light does flash orange and red which is not the usual display that I observe when doing normal overdubbing (normally it's green when playing back, red when recording the first track, and orange when overdubbing, and always steady, not flashing). The result is a definate degradation of the sound. You do not get the usual fidelity as if you were overdubbing without changing the tempo. Someone described this recently as a "lo-fi sound". I think of the term "lo-fi" as describing something that has the high end degraded or attenuated and that's not quite what's going on here. Perhaps the terms "granulated" might aptly describe how it sounded to me. And it may change with the type of sound that you are manipulating as well. There is a unique grainyness to this sound that I find appealing in the same way that I find analog synthesis appealing. The sound is unstable and seems to border on the edge of subharmonic generation. In fact it does go there from time to time according to my ear. In the process, I discovered a few things. The Repeater will allow about a 30% shift upwards in tempo (on an existing track) before balking, though it will go all the way down to 1 BPM and manifest all these interesting granular subharmonic instabilities that I mentioned in the last paragraph. If you then record something on a new track at 1 BPM (or any slow-ish speed) it will have a similar granular sound to it even though you are playing it back at the speed you recorded it at. If then you hold down the tap tempo button to return the Repeater to the original tempo, the sound quality returns to something close to normal, though now the track is much faster than originally recorded. This becomes an interesting approach to messing with the tempo. In the past, I've tried recording something and then increased the tempo to get a faster version of what I've just played. The degradation of sound quality has prevented me from using this in extreme ways. Now, I can record a silent loop of longer than desired length, drop the tempo by whatever amount I want, overdub onto the same or different track, then pop the tempo back up to the original speed. I can trim the loop to fit whatever I just recorded if I need to at this point. The advantage that this method offers me is that the sound quality is much higher than just recording something and then turning the tempo up. SVG __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus – Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 21 23:55:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02623; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:51:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:51:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.6; T1.001; A1.51; B2.12; Q2.03) From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:51:04 -0500 X-Epoch: 1037940665 X-Sasl-enc: hqJ33a5bWykGj4uEh0bytw Subject: Re: Should ambient music be performed live? Message-Id: <20021122045104.E7B932FD0D@server3.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: <2TJAAD.A.1o.Dfb39@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:50:13 -0700, sine@zerocrossing.net said: > I think she's right. Maybe I need a gimmick? I think one just has to be more aware of what you're offering visually to the audience and if it helps the music in some away. Think of Robert Fripp..always in the dark, swiveling on that stool, twiddling knobs on those refrigarators he calls racks...It looks cool! Like some mad scientist trying to come up with new sounds. It definitely adds to the atmosphere of the event. Ernesto -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 00:21:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05971; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:20:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:20:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DDDBED6.F8519E0@tapehissrecordings.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:21:26 -0500 From: Scott Carr Organization: Tapehiss Recordings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 80's looping? References: <3DDC91E3.BCB184AC@tapehissrecordings.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm guessing that Shelley Hirsch is the likely candidate. I remember that she looked a bit like Kate Bush + she seems to most closely fit that profile. Do you know if whe has an official website - I'm not coming up with very musch in English from Google. Thanks for the insight! Scott Richard Zvonar wrote: > > At 2:57 AM -0500 11/21/02, Scott Carr wrote: > >Sometime in the mid-late 80's (probably around 85 - 87???) there was a > >show on PBS that featured a woman looping with what looked like a > >digital delay guitar pedal. ...it sounded something like > >"oom-chick-a-ooh-wahhaahhhhhh" repeated (obviously). > > Joan La Barbara? > > Shelley Hirsch? > > Annette Peacock? -- ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine http://www.tapehissrecordings.com and our sites at the world's largest online cut-out bin http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves http://mp3.com/hebephrenica http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime ....and for a whole new kind of music.... http://www.tapegerm.com ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 00:39:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA07280; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:38:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:38:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:35:49 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: Should ambient music be performed live? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DDDC235.4C5C977A@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <150.179e0a60.2b0d9bdc@aol.com> <3DDD0AAE.ACE581FE@zerocrossing.net> <000b01c2917f$168f7650$e4981cd5@penthouseviert> <3DDD5515.19735E56@zerocrossing.net> <000f01c291b8$bda82ac0$e4981cd5@penthouseviert> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds like a real looper to me. I'm of the mind that if you're dealing with a loop in real time, your looping. If you're cutting and pasting audio files or midi measures in a sequencer/recording program, your producing/composing. This opinion has gotten me in trouble here though. When you're looking for more drama, ask people to define what they do. Oh boy! Mark Sottilaro Jukka Andersson wrote: > > play around samples and loops... I guess I am not real looper since I use > MD's, CD's, computer (ACID, Back To Basics...) and dont actually play in > looper > but use effects and combine different loops together... I do this on live > and sometimes > I also mic real instruments like didgeridoo and raintsicks etc. etc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 00:42:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA07626; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:42:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:42:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:38:11 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: Should ambient music be performed live? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DDDC2C3.CD305131@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <150.179e0a60.2b0d9bdc@aol.com> <3DDD0AAE.ACE581FE@zerocrossing.net> <000b01c2917f$168f7650$e4981cd5@penthouseviert> <3DDD5515.19735E56@zerocrossing.net> <000f01c291b8$bda82ac0$e4981cd5@penthouseviert> <049c01c291bb$1dc72ee0$b6484ed5@bigboy> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm sure my friends would LOVE the Deepspace9 meets Fraggel Rock look. All good advise. Thanks. Mark Steve Lawson wrote: > > my current 'si-fi muppet' outfit of shiny > silver t-shirt and blue fluffy jacket (think Fraggle auditioning for > bit-part in Deep Space Nine), and I smile. A lot. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 00:48:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08181; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:47:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:47:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:41:01 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: Should ambient music be performed live? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DDDC36D.3E029837@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20021122045104.E7B932FD0D@server3.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Heh, the most animated I've ever seen Fripp was the first US performance after the last "break" in King Crimson. He could not be seen during the whole performance, except for when Adrian Belew dragged him physically to the light so he could do a group bow with the band. Funny. ernesto schnack wrote: > On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:50:13 -0700, sine@zerocrossing.net said: > > I think she's right. Maybe I need a gimmick? > > I think one just has to be more aware of what you're offering visually to > the audience and if it helps the music in some away. Think of Robert > Fripp..always in the dark, swiveling on that stool, twiddling knobs on > those refrigarators he calls racks...It looks cool! Like some mad > scientist trying to come up with new sounds. It definitely adds to the > atmosphere of the event. > > Ernesto > > -- > ernesto schnack > http://schnack.does.it > > -- > http://fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 02:35:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15578; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 02:33:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 02:33:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c291f9$101b3d20$39b187d9@GarethWhittock> From: "Gareth Whittock" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA8B8@LON-MAIL07> Subject: Re: fcb1010 question Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:08:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0082_01C29095.DC6DB7A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01C29095.DC6DB7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: fcb1010 question As I thought - no good to me! I just need each switch to send out a separate midi cc and the pedals = to change values more continuously. This is what the Zoom 8080 does. I just wanted more than 5 switches. Thanks for the reply. Gareth my understanding (I have a fcb1010 here which I've never powered up = yet, but I have also used pc1600's and doepfer midi controllers) is that = the unit sends a "salvo" of cc's & pc's; up to two of the former and = five of the latter per preset, along with a note-on command.=20 the presets can be stored with just one cc/pc or note-on, or anything = in between. for those of us trying to control (say) a repeater's = transport, or do punch-ins on a sequencer or DAW, this is far from = ideal. it is possible to write patches for it that will send a single pc = when one of the presets is recalled, but even the most basic repeater = use quickly gobbles up an entire bank of presets and requires a fred = astaire approach to one's stage use. how does the zoom work, then?=20 duncan/r.m.i.=20 = *************************************************************************= ** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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As I thought - no good to me!
I just need each switch to send out a = separate=20 midi cc and the pedals to change values more continuously.
This is what the Zoom 8080 does. I = just wanted=20 more than 5 switches.
Thanks for the reply.
 
Gareth

my understanding (I have a fcb1010 here which I've = never=20 powered up yet, but I have also used pc1600's and doepfer midi = controllers) is=20 that the unit sends a "salvo" of cc's & pc's; up to two of the = former and=20 five of the latter per preset, along with a note-on command. =

the presets can be stored with just one cc/pc or = note-on, or=20 anything in between. for those of us trying to control (say) a = repeater's=20 transport, or do punch-ins on a sequencer or DAW, this is far from = ideal. it=20 is possible to write patches for it that will send a single pc when = one of the=20 presets is recalled, but even the most basic repeater use quickly = gobbles up=20 an entire bank of presets and requires a fred astaire approach to = one's stage=20 use.

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 ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01C29095.DC6DB7A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 03:39:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA20938; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 03:32:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 03:32:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021122083212.51601.qmail@web40509.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:32:12 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Robert Fripp... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3DDDBED6.F8519E0@tapehissrecordings.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I remember seeing Robert Fripp in San Diego california when he was doing his soundscapes and it was amazing.But in the middle of his quite evolving scapes some drunken idiot screems "allright bob thats cool"! then all of the sudden Fripp stop his loops abrupt and gave a very nasty look to the guy.All of the sudden the audience broke into laughter and the surfer guy turned red.Although it was funny you could see Robert was really pissed! L.a ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus – Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 03:43:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21302; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 03:38:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 03:38:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021122083812.55078.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:38:12 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Radio Massacre International To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200211211739.MAA08534@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Duncan, thanks for the comments on about RMI's looping techniques over the years. I noticed that you mentioned you use a DL-4, which was my first looper. Though I found a bit for most of my looping purposes (I found myself playing that's that were way longer 28 seconds), I do think makes a FANTASTIC delay pedal. Having never owned a real Echoplex (though I could if I wanted to, a local guitar shop has both tube and transistor models available), Copycat, Echorec, etc, I don't know how well the DL-4 emulate the original units. I just know that I can get pretty close to the sounds I hear on my old Pink Floyd bootlegs and Boston LP's (gotta love those rocket launcher effects Tom Scholz used to get out of his Echoplex). Do I understand that you're the guitarist in the group? If so, then maybe you're the person I should ask about this. I'm not positive, but the Strat in the photo collage inside the booklet of Planets In The Wires looks like Rory Gallagher's! I know Fender's UK division put out a limited run of copies of Rory's classic battered Strat. Do you have one of these, or is your axe's battle scars just remarkably similiar? :-) BTW, it's recently been brought to my attention that in addition to Planets In The Wires, Wayside Music now has five other RMI titles in stock. Since I get paid this weekend, it's entirely likely I'll be ordering a couple more right away. Keep making that great music, and come back to the US soon if you can. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus – Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 04:50:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA28465; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 04:48:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 04:48:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:11:38 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: 80's looping? In-reply-to: <3DDDBED6.F8519E0@tapehissrecordings.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1174176726==_ma============" References: <3DDC91E3.BCB184AC@tapehissrecordings.com> <3DDDBED6.F8519E0@tapehissrecordings.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1174176726==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 12:21 AM -0500 11/22/02, Scott Carr wrote: >I'm guessing that Shelley Hirsch is the likely candidate. I remember >that she looked a bit like Kate Bush + she seems to most closely fit >that profile. Do you know if whe has an official website - I'm not >coming up with very musch in English from Google. http://www.creative-capital.org/artists/performance/hirsch/hirsch.html http://www.somewhere.org/NAR/Work_Excerpts/Hirsch/Main.htm http://www.tzadik.com/CDSections/RadicalJewishCulture/hirsch.html http://www.uncool.ch/SPONSOR2001/Hirsch.html This is from the Harvestworks Creative Contact site: Composer's bio/personal statement: Shelley Hirsch began putting on musical performances in the courtyard of the apartment building where she grew up in Brooklyn, NY. After dropping out of high school, Hirsch relocated to San Francisco and joined an experimental theater company. While working with that group, she read Artaud, practiced Jerzy Grotowski's physical theater exercises, explored extended vocal techniques and began composing pieces for voice. She has been singing, composing and performing ever since. Her staged (mostly solo) musical performances, radio plays, improvisations and music for films, concerts and recordings have been received with critical acclaim internationally. Other professional information: I own dat machines, an Eventide harmonizer and other multi effects units and a sampling keyboard. I have recorded and performed on the works of several composers, often creating my own vocal part. These include Jerry Hunt, John Zorn, Richard Teitelbaum, Arnold Dreyblatt, David Weinstein, Elliot Sharp, David Simons, Joel Forrester, Phillip Johnston, Kirk Nurock. Current record label/publishing affiliations: Record labels include Tellus, Tzadik, FMP, Intakt, No Mans Land/Rec rec, CRI, Nonesuch etc I am affiliated with Gema in Germany Other works: A partial list of my music composition War or Dreams Voice( a.k.a. # 39) : electronic processing, sound effects, keyboards (keyboards, David Weinstein.) Commissioned by New American Radio, Harvestworks Now I am yours and Temenos: Music from the film (excerpt included) by film maker Nina Danino The Passions of Natasha, Nokiko, Nina, Nanette and Norma: Music performance installation in collaboration with visual artist Barbara Bloom for voice,electronics, acoustic and electric keyboards, percussion, timpani, turntables, harpsichord created with the musicians Anthony Coleman, David Simons, David Shea, Denman Maroney (an hour long performance)Commissioned/ co produced by the Marstall, Hebbel Theater,(Germany) Vienna Festival Week,(Austria) Medea: Music for the dance production choreographed by Claudia Feest of the Tanz Fabrik Berlin For voice, sampling keyboards, live electronics performed by myself live (an hour long performance) For Jerry Part 1: Music performance and installation, a virtual duet with the late composer performance/video artist Jerry Hunt in which,I collaged arranged and sung-spoke with his pre recorded music. Co-produced/ commissioned by The Whitney Museum on 42nd St. performance series,The Marstall and Hebbel Theaters in Germany. For Jerry Part 2:, for my father Jerry first permutation performed at Roulette, commissioned by NYSCA for voice and keyboards. Performed by myself, Anthony Coleman and David Shea O' Little Town of East New York: my autobiographical, prize winning piece for radio, stage concert and cd, for voice, electronics and sampling keyboards co-composed with keyboardist David Weinstein commissioned for radio by New American Radio. The music was commissioned by Mary Flagler Cary Trust Recordings: States- My latest cd on Tellus O Little Town of East New York co composed with David Weinstein on Tzadik Singing-Solo for voice and duets with Samm Bennett and David Simons an Apollo Haiku Lingo Co. compositions with David Weinstein on No Mans Land Reviews: "Tenemos" and "States" - both dating from 1997 - are incredible. "States," the album's centerpiece, is a complex soundscape that mixes polyphonic renditions of American pop songs ("Blue Moon" and "Blue Skies"), cocktail lounge monologues, techno music, exotica, Bulgarian choral singing and the Firebird Suite, all strung together in a stew of electronically treated found sounds. It's not an easy thing melding all this territory into coherence, yet Hirsch manages to keep the thing seamlessly afloat for almost 20 minutes. "Tenemos" is a hypnotic treatment of a Steinian sentence, "Don't touch the rosebush." There are grunts and groans, cut-up words, drony echoes, clicks and pops. It's a marvelous update on the vocal techniques pioneered by Cathy Berberian earlier in the century. [Goldsmith, NYPress Music Xtra, Feb. 4-10, 1998] Genres that apply to the Composer's work: New Music Jazz Classical Popular Ambient many of my pieces incorporate various styles and genres The experiences that have influenced the Composer's entire body of work are: Growing up in the melting pot of NYC, remembering every record that spun on my families record player as a child, experiencing the way things sound in different acoustical settings, i.e., houses of worship, stairwells, rooms with no reflection at all; creating vocal sound landscapes while a performer in an experimental theater company in the early seventies, loving to improvise -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1174176726==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: 80's looping?
At 12:21 AM -0500 11/22/02, Scott Carr wrote:
I'm guessing that Shelley Hirsch is the likely candidate. I remember
that she looked a bit like Kate Bush + she seems to most closely fit
that profile. Do you know if whe has an official website - I'm not
coming up with very musch in English from Google.

http://www.creative-capital.org/artists/performance/hirsch/hirsch.html

http://www.somewhere.org/NAR/Work_Excerpts/Hirsch/Main.htm

http://www.tzadik.com/CDSections/RadicalJewishCulture/hirsch.html

http://www.uncool.ch/SPONSOR2001/Hirsch.html

This is from the Harvestworks Creative Contact site:

Composer's bio/personal statement:
Shelley Hirsch began putting on musical performances in the courtyard of the apartment building where she grew up in Brooklyn, NY. After dropping out of high school, Hirsch relocated to San Francisco and joined an experimental theater company. While working with that group, she read Artaud, practiced Jerzy Grotowski's physical theater exercises, explored extended vocal techniques and began composing pieces for voice. She has been singing, composing and performing ever since. Her staged (mostly solo) musical performances, radio plays, improvisations and music for films, concerts and recordings have been received with critical acclaim internationally.

Other professional information:
I own dat machines, an Eventide harmonizer and other multi effects units and a sampling keyboard.
I have recorded and performed on the works of several composers, often creating my own vocal part. These include Jerry Hunt, John Zorn, Richard Teitelbaum, Arnold Dreyblatt, David Weinstein, Elliot Sharp, David Simons, Joel Forrester, Phillip Johnston, Kirk Nurock.
Current record label/publishing affiliations:
Record labels include Tellus, Tzadik, FMP, Intakt, No Mans Land/Rec rec, CRI, Nonesuch etc I am affiliated with Gema in Germany
Other works:
A partial list of my music composition
War or Dreams Voice( a.k.a. # 39) : electronic processing, sound effects, keyboards (keyboards, David Weinstein.) Commissioned by New American Radio, Harvestworks
Now I am yours and Temenos: Music from the film (excerpt included) by film maker Nina Danino
The Passions of Natasha, Nokiko, Nina, Nanette and Norma: Music performance installation in collaboration with visual artist Barbara Bloom for voice,electronics, acoustic and electric keyboards, percussion, timpani, turntables, harpsichord created with the musicians Anthony Coleman, David Simons, David Shea, Denman Maroney (an hour long performance)Commissioned/ co produced by the Marstall, Hebbel Theater,(Germany) Vienna Festival Week,(Austria)
Medea: Music for the dance production choreographed by Claudia Feest of the Tanz Fabrik Berlin For voice, sampling keyboards, live electronics performed by myself live
(an hour long performance)
For Jerry Part 1: Music performance and installation, a virtual duet with the late composer performance/video artist Jerry Hunt in which,I collaged arranged and sung-spoke with his pre recorded music. Co-produced/ commissioned by The Whitney Museum on 42nd St. performance series,The Marstall and Hebbel Theaters in Germany.
For Jerry Part 2:, for my father Jerry first permutation performed at Roulette, commissioned by NYSCA for voice and keyboards. Performed by myself, Anthony Coleman and David Shea
O' Little Town of East New York: my autobiographical, prize winning piece for radio, stage concert and cd, for voice, electronics and sampling keyboards co-composed with keyboardist David Weinstein commissioned for radio by New American Radio. The music was commissioned by Mary Flagler Cary Trust
Recordings:
States- My latest cd on Tellus
O Little Town of East New York co composed with David Weinstein on Tzadik
Singing-Solo for voice and duets with Samm Bennett and David Simons an Apollo
Haiku Lingo Co. compositions with David Weinstein on No Mans Land
Reviews:
"Tenemos" and "States" - both dating from 1997 - are incredible. "States," the album's centerpiece, is a complex soundscape that mixes polyphonic renditions of American pop songs ("Blue Moon" and "Blue Skies"), cocktail lounge monologues, techno music, exotica, Bulgarian choral singing and the Firebird Suite, all strung together in a stew of electronically treated found sounds. It's not an easy thing melding all this territory into coherence, yet Hirsch manages to keep the thing seamlessly afloat for almost 20 minutes. "Tenemos" is a hypnotic treatment of a Steinian sentence, "Don't touch the rosebush." There are grunts and groans, cut-up words, drony echoes, clicks and pops. It's a marvelous update on the vocal techniques pioneered by Cathy Berberian earlier in the century.
[Goldsmith, NYPress Music Xtra, Feb. 4-10, 1998]
Genres that apply to the Composer's work:
New Music
Jazz
Classical
Popular
Ambient
many of my pieces incorporate various styles and genres
The experiences that have influenced the Composer's entire body of work are:
Growing up in the melting pot of NYC, remembering every record that spun on my families record player as a child, experiencing the way things sound in different acoustical settings, i.e., houses of worship, stairwells, rooms with no reflection at all; creating vocal sound landscapes while a performer in an experimental theater company in the early seventies, loving to improvise

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(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://RZCybernetics.com
--============_-1174176726==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 05:08:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA30603; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 05:02:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 05:02:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008701c2920e$c30b72a0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <20021122083212.51601.qmail@web40509.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Robert Fripp... Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:05:49 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <3GSvZC.A.FeH.PDg39@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The one time I EVER saw anything slightly violent at a Robert Fripp show was at the Sunset Blvd. House of Blues, February 1997. He was performing soundscapes, as the "1999" album had just come out, and they were slow to build, requiring the [ahem] "audient" to LISTEN to what was happening. In a place like the House of Blues, though, it can get pretty noisy anyway, so I think the place was a bit tense at first, and an obvious division between groups began to occur in the place. I became aware that around half the crowd there could care less who was on stage, most of them looking like rich frat boys from Westwood (and in this case I use the phrase "frat boys" as an epithet, even though I'm a FIJI myself!). I had the thought at the time that Daddy had bought them the primo membership along with the college package (after all the HoB was fairly new then). These guys, some of them with girls in tow (and that's an accurate assessment of the situation), were the ones who got drunk fairly quickly, and before the end of the first segment, thankfully, they left for louder surroundings. The other half of the crowd, the ones who'd really come to hear RF play, well, I don't need to describe folks like ourselves, except to say that, during the first segment, we were all straining like hell to hear what RF was playing, over the din of the college boys. After they left, and things quieted down, everything smoothed out, and the second segment (some of which including the California Guitar Trio, who roamed around the audience as they played!) was wonderful. BUT! (Here's the violent part!) During the first segment, RF was building a slow soundscape, and I was sitting at one of the bars having chicken fingers, when I heard the Muscle Beach-style bartender (who'd probably just discovered blues music by working there) quipped, "Heyyyy mannnn, like, I left my mushrooms at home, doooood", and someone tossed the contents of their drink at him. Instead of the drink-thrower being tossed out on his ear, though, the crowd around him stayed around him, glaring at the bartender, and despite the bartender's obvious internal need to annihilate him, his need for a job prevailed. Security wasn't called, and the drink-thrower went to another bar to resolve the situation altogether. Exceeding satisfying, frankly. There IS justice sometimes, after all. S.P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 06:09:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03193; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 06:06:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 06:06:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-17.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1037963181!18724 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA8D5@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Radio Massacre International Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:00:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C29216.6A625440" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29216.6A625440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> I'm not positive, but the Strat in the photo collage inside the booklet of Planets In The Wires looks like Rory Gallagher's!<< good grief! thanks again for the kind remarks, but you surely must be the keenest eyed observer of our artwork to have spotted /that/! gary's pride-and-joy (for he is the guitarist), along with the little lad and his two brothers, is indeed one of the 47 replicas of rory's battered strat. we've held it up next to the real one with rory's brother looking on... but this is getting a bit OT. the DL4 is indeed a magnificent pedal. I have a couple of the others- the one that does modulation-type effects (flangers, leslies &c) and the one that does filters (mutron, cry-baby &c), but the DL4 is the most impressive. someone told me that the pro version can be had for $299 in the US, about half what it is here... is this true? we'd love to come back to the US soon- it seems to be reasonably easy in terms of shipping and making the gear work, but getting time off from our jobs is the tricky bit.... duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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>> I'm not positive, but the Strat in the photo col= lage inside the booklet of Planets In The Wires looks like Rory Gallagher's= !<<

good grief! thanks again for the kind remarks, but you su= rely must be the keenest eyed observer of our artwork to have spotted /that= /!

gary's pride-and-joy (for he is the guitarist), along wit= h the little lad and his two brothers, is indeed one of the 47 replicas of = rory's battered strat. we've held it up next to the real one with rory's br= other looking on... but this is getting a bit OT.

the DL4 is indeed a magnificent pedal. I have a couple of= the others- the one that does modulation-type effects (flangers, leslies &= amp;c) and the one that does filters (mutron, cry-baby &c), but the DL4= is the most impressive. someone told me that the pro version can be had fo= r $299 in the US, about half what it is here... is this true?

we'd love to come back to the US soon- it seems to be rea= sonably easy in terms of shipping and making the gear work, but getting tim= e off from our jobs is the tricky bit....

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C29216.6A625440-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 08:41:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA18962; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 08:40:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 08:40:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004101c29246$05c110a0$1a3053c8@vtr.net> From: "daniel" To: Cc: Subject: Fw: Fw: [SW] guitarrist chilien Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:41:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "gato sep" To: "Daniel" Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:08 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [SW] guitarrist chilien > hi anthony: > i am the guitarrist chilien that live in paris, and my > friend daniel my country he has sended me one > instrument for play under the tapp for two hands. > I would like that we have contact and show you this > instrument, that it isn't stick, and can play togeter; > > BYE > mi telephone is > 0140220138 > rodrigo > > rock) in the paris area, email > > gatosepulveda@yahoo.com > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Información de Estados Unidos y América Latina, en Yahoo! Noticias. > Visítanos en http://noticias.espanol.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 08:41:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA18621; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 08:40:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 08:40:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: FS: Looping/Mangling Stuff for sale Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 07:40:02 -0600 Message-ID: <009601c2922c$a8817d30$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <008701c2920e$c30b72a0$0201a8c0@eluk> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If anyone is interested before I put these items up on ebay, I have the following stuff for sale: Electrix Repeater v1.1 excellent condition only used a couple of times $625 Electrix Repeater v1.1 Brand New, still in plastic in box $700 Electrix Mo-FX, mint condition, only used in studio $170 Electrix FilterFactory, excellent condition, used once $225 Ashly LX308B 8 stereo channel (16 input) 1 rack space balanced line mixer Excellent quality pro gear, only used a few times in my rack $350 I also have a Roctron Rack Interface that I may be selling, but I am not sure what they go for or if it would be worth selling; let me know if interested. I take very good care of all my equipment. I also have an excellent rating on ebay for username sginn. I am selling these items because I need to raise some cash and clear out some gear. If you are interested, please contact me immediately because in a day or so, I will be putting everything up on ebay. All the above prices do not include shipping & handling. If interested, please email me off list at sginn@airmail.net. Thanks, Steve Ginn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 09:45:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25622; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:41:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:41:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: LinkTomlin@aol.com Message-ID: <1ac.c65b973.2b0f9bad@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:39:41 EST Subject: Re: Robert Fripp... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1ac.c65b973.2b0f9bad_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows UK sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1ac.c65b973.2b0f9bad_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's an RF tale that had me howling. It's one of those "a friend of a friend" things but I am assured it's not BS and actually came from the designer of a piece of hardware used in the techno world. This "friend" was apparently a BIG long time fan of our Bob's work and was using him as the basis of a paper he was putting together while studying, an older student at a guess. Anyway, he went along to see our man at a LOCG gig here in England and come the end of the show he enthusiastically went up to RF as he was packing away and tried to have a word with him. The conversation went pretty much along these lines... "Mr Fripp, I've been a long-time fan of your work. I'm currently doing a paper based on your ideas and views, would it be possible to have a quick chat?" At which point RF just glared at him and retorted in his west-country accent ... "F^&K OFF YOU C%^T!!". --part1_1ac.c65b973.2b0f9bad_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's an RF tale that had me howling. It's one of those "a friend of a friend" things but I am assured it's not BS and actually came from the designer of a piece of hardware used in the techno world.

This "friend" was apparently a BIG long time fan of our Bob's work and was using him as the basis of a paper he was putting together while studying, an older student at a guess.

Anyway, he went along to see our man at a LOCG gig here in England and come the end of the show  he enthusiastically went up to RF as he was packing away and tried to have a word with him. The conversation went pretty much along these lines...

"Mr Fripp, I've been a long-time fan of your work. I'm currently doing a paper based on your ideas and views, would it be possible to have a quick chat?"

At which point RF just glared at him and retorted in his west-country accent ...

"F^&K OFF YOU C%^T!!".

 --part1_1ac.c65b973.2b0f9bad_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 10:02:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28795; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:59:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:59:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-17.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1037977173!34985 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA8DC@LON-MAIL07> To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: First Excursions into Frippertronics Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:54:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C29236.FDDFFF40" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29236.FDDFFF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Does anyone else have any comments on what to look for or why something is especially noteworthy?<< can't we just do the prefix thing ourselves, like this? it works for my filter. most annoying thing is when someone replies to a list along with a bunch of other addresses (like their mates or summat) and the list-address doesn't get seen by the filter.... but these are minor inconveniences, and so is spam. basically, you've got to stop treating e-mail inboxes like they were y'r own personal space, and get used to deleting stuff. it's easier than getting rid of /real/ junk-mail. anyway. his bobness. introduced to "skysaw" guitar by one brian eno, while they collaborated on something or other way back when. the one with the mirrors on it, maybe, or one of eno's albums- I think "no pussyfooting" happened while they were supposed to be doing something else.... so I suppose we should be thanking brian "two revoxes" eno for the legacy, not fripp. but steve reich and les paul had both done it earlier anyway. and the e-bow was just around the corner, though a.f.a.i.k. fripp's never used one. fripp's contribution seems to me to have been to stick at it and make it work commercially. the contrast between his seemingly infinite sustain and his lightning-speed-accurate arpeggio playing is what distinguishes him from (say) belew or torn or holdsworth or bill nelson or any of the other "intelligent" guitarists who can tell whether they're holding a guitar or their own pork-prong..... I can enjoy listening to many wildly different styles of guitar-playing but the common factor to all the afore-mentioned and extending to the likes of evh, rory gallagher, leslie west and so on, is the rapport they have with the instrument that permits every nuance of expression to show. as opposed to the it-could-be-anyone-playing-that pyrotechnics of, say, johnny greenwood or ace from skunk anansie or dave grohl or..... (hendrix rated dusty hill very highly, but you've got to listen to an uncomfortable amount of zz top to figure it out, and it's barely worth the trouble.) I'd single out sense-of-humour as a good example; images of rory dragging that poor strat around the stage by it's cable, or evh "commenting" on dave lee roth's lyrics, or /any/ hendrix... and this is key to understanding why none of jimi's many imitators- trower, frusciante et al- don't sound like the real deal. but it's the less obvious examples which are the sort of area where fripp shines- the solo on bowie's "thunderosa", his entry into vdgg's "man-erg" which sounds like he's walked into the room backwards just in time for his solo.... the man used to have a sense of humour. recommended: the original version of "league of gentlemen" (only on vinyl, so far as I know) and- where it works best, in a rock context- "exposure" (a terrific, under-rated album) and the companion daryl hall "sacred songs". pretty much anything where he appears as a guest. avoid the later crimson incarnations, esp. the construKction set. the projeKct stuff is way better, while "red" (the last "proper" KC album) was mr cobain's favourite album ever. apparently. you have to love the guy, curmudgeon though he be. just don't try to take his picture during a set- he will leave the stage before the flash has faded. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29236.FDDFFF40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [looper's] RE: First Excursions into Frippertronics

>>Does anyone else have any comments on what to loo= k for or why something
is especially noteworthy?<<

can't we just do the prefix thing ourselves, like this? i= t works for my filter. most annoying thing is when someone replies to a lis= t along with a bunch of other addresses (like their mates or summat) and th= e list-address doesn't get seen by the filter.... but these are minor incon= veniences, and so is spam. basically, you've got to stop treating e-mail in= boxes like they were y'r own personal space, and get used to deleting stuff= . it's easier than getting rid of /real/ junk-mail.

anyway.
his bobness.
introduced to "skysaw" guitar by one brian eno= , while they collaborated on something or other way back when. the one with= the mirrors on it, maybe, or one of eno's albums- I think "no pussyfo= oting" happened while they were supposed to be doing something else...= .

so I suppose we should be thanking brian "two revoxe= s" eno for the legacy, not fripp. but steve reich and les paul had bot= h done it earlier anyway.

and the e-bow was just around the corner, though a.f.a.i.= k. fripp's never used one.

fripp's contribution seems to me to have been to stick at= it and make it work commercially.
the contrast between his seemingly infinite sustain and = his lightning-speed-accurate arpeggio playing is what distinguishes him fro= m (say) belew or torn or holdsworth or bill nelson or any of the other &quo= t;intelligent" guitarists who can tell whether they're holding a guita= r or their own pork-prong.....

I can enjoy listening to many wildly different styles of = guitar-playing but the common factor to all the afore-mentioned and extendi= ng to the likes of evh, rory gallagher, leslie west and so on, is the rappo= rt they have with the instrument that permits every nuance of expression to= show. as opposed to the it-could-be-anyone-playing-that pyrotechnics of, s= ay, johnny greenwood or ace from skunk anansie or dave grohl or..... (hendr= ix rated dusty hill very highly, but you've got to listen to an uncomfortab= le amount of zz top to figure it out, and it's barely worth the trouble.) <= /FONT>

I'd single out sense-of-humour as a good example; images = of rory dragging that poor strat around the stage by it's cable, or evh &qu= ot;commenting" on dave lee roth's lyrics, or /any/ hendrix... and this= is key to understanding why none of jimi's many imitators- trower, fruscia= nte et al- don't sound like the real deal.

but it's the less obvious examples which are the sort of = area where fripp shines- the solo on bowie's "thunderosa", his en= try into vdgg's "man-erg" which sounds like he's walked into the = room backwards just in time for his solo.... the man used to have a sense o= f humour.

recommended: the original version of "league of gent= lemen" (only on vinyl, so far as I know) and- where it works best, in = a rock context- "exposure" (a terrific, under-rated album) and th= e companion daryl hall "sacred songs". pretty much anything where= he appears as a guest.

avoid the later crimson incarnations, esp. the construKct= ion set. the projeKct stuff is way better, while "red" (the last = "proper" KC album) was mr cobain's favourite album ever. apparent= ly.

you have to love the guy, curmudgeon though he be. just d= on't try to take his picture during a set- he will leave the stage before t= he flash has faded.

duncan/r.m.i.








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------_=_NextPart_001_01C29236.FDDFFF40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 10:12:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29689; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:11:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:11:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 07:14:15 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: [looper's] RE: First Excursions into Frippertronics In-reply-to: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA8DC@LON-MAIL07> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA8DC@LON-MAIL07> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:54 PM +0000 11/22/02, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: >so I suppose we should be thanking brian "two revoxes" eno for the >legacy, not fripp. but steve reich and les paul had both done it >earlier anyway. Before Frippertronics there was Terry Riley's "Time Lag Accumulator." This consisted of two decks with the tape threaded from one the the other. According to Terry, the technique was "invented" by a French radio engineer who was assisting him on a theater project in Paris, 1963. Terry had been composing with tape loops and sound on sound since 1959 and the two-machine delay was developed as a response to his request to the engineer assisting him. When Terry returned to San Francisco he turned others on to the technique. Pauline Oliveros was particularly active from the mid-60s on with the use of live tape delays. Jon Hassell had also been independently developing a loop-based performance practice since 1960. These techniques were therefore common currency among the musical avant garde when Eno turned Fripp on to the idea in the early '70s. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 10:55:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA32090; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:53:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:53:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <049901c2923f$5fe2f6e0$df605cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: References: <20021121023839.84071.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Radio Massacre International Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:53:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Richards" > I dunno if this is actually off topic or not, > because these guys may be using loops, and I just > don't realize it. I saw them at the Gathering. Keyboardists Duncan and Steve had a Repeater behind them. And Notron, Alesis MMT-8, and Doepfer MAQ 16/3 sequencers, too. Guitarist Gary used a Jamman that kept resetting due to low voltage at the church venue. Cheers, Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 11:49:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06251; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:46:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:46:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: lorax.darkaether.net: alevin owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:48:46 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Special DAP Holiday Free CD Offer Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <1Viw1.A.lhB.b9l39@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's a special offer to those who have yet to check out the latest release from The Dark Aether Project. If you purchase "The Gentle Art of Firewalking" via the online vendor CD Street (http://www.cdstreet.com/), you'll get a free copy of the "What's New in Baltimore" CD sampler while supplies last. WNIB - originally only available in copies of Expose' magazine - features the re-worked/re-recorded version of "Feed The Silence" featuring the same lineup that recorded the new album. It also features great tracks by Uncle Gut, Kurgan's Bane, Sonus Umbra, Dysfunctional Family, Trephine MD, DAP's Allen Brunelle's electronic project "Tempustry" and more! Sound samples from all album tracks are available at http://www.darkaether.net/ A Review of "The Gentle Art of Firewalking" by Stephanie Sollow from Progressiveworld.net: [http://www.progressiveworld.net/dap4.html] "While I didn't have all good things to say about The Dark Aether Project's 1998 self-titled debut release -- I haven't reviewed their second release -- my general opinion was positive. But, two years and another vocalist change later, The Dark Aether Project release The Gentle Art Of Firewalking. This is a stunningly beautiful album. I am blown away by it. All the changes in the band since 1998 - the mainstay member being Adam Levin (Warr 8-String touch style guitar, bass, guitar, keys, and loops) -- have been for the best. Not to dis' his previous cohorts, but the quartet he has brought in this time - Jennifer Huff on vocals; Allen Brunelle on drums, backing vocals, and keyboards; John McCloskey on guitar, and Marty Saletta on keyboards and stick -- have made this year's Dark Aether Project the best yet. New vocalist Huff has a wonderfully warm voice, though it doesn't quite work for me on "Shades." Yaman Aksu has been replaced by McCloskey on guitar and I have to say that I fell for this album just based on the first track, the instrumental "Crossing The Threshold." While Levin , Brunelle, and are not absent here, their sparse, measured, moody lines provide the perfect backdrop to McCloskey's guitar excursions. It's the kind of mellow and yet energetic piece that would sound sublime live, at dusk, under a slowly darkening sky. Beautiful. These very same words could describe the title track as well, as the clear notes from McCloskey speak with the same voice -- saying something different, a little lighter, a little more upbeat, but the same voice. "Night Embrace" is the second track and the first with vocals. Here Levin on touch guitar is the lead instrument. Huff's vocal delivery is part sung, part spoken, and while it may seem I over use this word (I think I used it above) this is very very moody ... recalling for me at once a merging of The Motels, Berlin, and mellow The Gathering and Brave. Oh, yes, and more tasty guitar from McCloskey. Musically, the "aether" part of their name is very strong, reminding me also of many a Dark Symphonies artist - which I guess has now become shorthand for a particular type of music. My impression of Dark Aether Project has never been that of darkwave, and yet here they easily could qualify. Not that they would need to for any reason. But, looking at the lyrics, we do not have a happy bunch of folks... most of the lyrics deal with the pain, anguish, anger, and dark thoughts that come to pass when a relationship hits the skids...or disintegrates... Did I say this was mellow darkwave? Well, not entirely, as one just needs to listen to the searing guitar of McCloskey -- hmm, I must have a McCloskey fixation. Nah, I just love guitar and McCloskey gives the listener lots to love. I mean, there aren't highlights - nearly the whole album is a highlight. The band's playing is so tight, so perfect (or near enough to me that I can't find anything to quibble about). "Shades" is angular, jazz-fusiony and, at times, reminded me of Echolyn ("Carpe Diem," I think) -- the interesting note here for those who are A) unfamiliar with DAP or B) haven't read my previous review yet is that during Echolyn's extended hiatus, bassist/vocalist Ray Weston was DAP's vocalist for Feed The Silence, their second release. Did I say jazz fusion? How about some metallic ferocity by way of "Sparks Fly"? No misnomer that, as the sparks do fly - off grungy, acid guitar (McCloskey, of course, but also Levin -- one for each ear), great "proggy" keyboards, a bit Emersonian ... a bit of a Middle Eastern flavour during a solo, funky bass... does it sound like they're having fun? It's like a tightly organized jam... "Embers" is a very ambient, atmospheric track with Brunelle's spoken words playing against Huff's ethereal vocals. Levin's 8-string touchstyle guitar playing circular, bass-deep phrases beneath keyboard washes and loops of sound. The synth solo from Brunelle has an almost violin sound at times, pitched a little higher than "usual," but certainly fills the same role, sounding sweet, but melancholy... especially during the outro. Wow! This is one of the best releases for 2002, for sure. It's quite reluctant to leave my player, perhaps knowing that there's more to absorb than what I shared already. This is one disk not to miss." -Adam ---- T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ ** The new CD "The Gentle Art of Firewalking" is available from: Amazon.com - Artist-Shop.com - CDBaby.com - CDStreet.com - LaserCD.com MandMMusic.com - OSMind.com - SynPhonic.8m.com - WaysideMusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 14:23:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20062; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:20:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:20:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:19:35 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Should ambient music be performed live? To: sine@zerocrossing.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004f01c2925c$795a4200$1912be18@Douglas> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3DDD5515.19735E56@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark wrote: >My wife says, "You've got to have a gimmick or be pretty damn cute." > I think she's right. Maybe I need a gimmick? I have fond memories of concerts at the Fillmore East where the "look" of the band was often irrelevant, dwarfed as they were by the light show behind them. Most of my favorite musicians just stand (or sit) and play. The only guitarists on my fave-rave all-time much-respect list who deliberately inject theater to their performances are Pete Townshend and Steve Vai. Seek interaction with the audience on a higher level, and gimmicks aren't necessary. IMHO. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 14:35:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21396; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:33:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:33:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:38:26 -0600 Message-Id: <200211221938.NAA11319@artemis.host4u.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ROCK GUITARIST DENIS TAAFFE CONSIDERED FOR GRAMMY AWARD IN 9 CATEGORIES From: dtaaffe@indiana.edu Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This Mi2N news (http://www.mi2n.com) was e-Wired to you by dtaaffe@indiana.edu at 01:38 PM Friday November 22nd, 2002: dtaaffe@indiana.edu's message: COOL!!! -DT => ROCK GUITARIST DENIS TAAFFE CONSIDERED FOR GRAMMY AWARD IN 9 CATEGORIES; Rock Guitarist Denis Taaffe Was Selected For Consideration Of A Grammy Award Nomination In 9 Categories For His Newly Released "Modern Rock Guitar.vol.III" CD http://www.mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=44537 ----------------- Subscribe to Mi2N's Free Newsletters http://www.mi2n.com/subscribe.php3 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 14:40:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21286; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:33:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:33:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:37:47 -0600 Message-Id: <200211221937.NAA11148@artemis.host4u.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ROCK GUITARIST DENIS TAAFFE CONSIDERED FOR GRAMMY AWARD IN 9 CATEGORIES From: dtaaffe@indiana.edu Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This Mi2N news (http://www.mi2n.com) was e-Wired to you by dtaaffe@indiana.edu at 01:37 PM Friday November 22nd, 2002: dtaaffe@indiana.edu's message: COOL!!! -DT => ROCK GUITARIST DENIS TAAFFE CONSIDERED FOR GRAMMY AWARD IN 9 CATEGORIES; Rock Guitarist Denis Taaffe Was Selected For Consideration Of A Grammy Award Nomination In 9 Categories For His Newly Released "Modern Rock Guitar.vol.III" CD http://www.mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=44537 ----------------- Subscribe to Mi2N's Free Newsletters http://www.mi2n.com/subscribe.php3 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 14:41:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21984; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:40:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:40:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <114.1b0051b6.2b0fe21d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:40:13 EST Subject: Re: ROCK GUITARIST DENIS TAAFFE CONSIDERED FOR GRAMMY AWARD IN 9 CATEGORIES To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_114.1b0051b6.2b0fe21d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_114.1b0051b6.2b0fe21d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/22/02 2:34:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, dtaaffe@indiana.edu writes: > http://www.mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=44537 > > wow denis!.....this is beyond cool.....good luck!!!!.....michael --part1_114.1b0051b6.2b0fe21d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/22/02 2:34:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, dtaaffe@indiana.edu writes:


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wow denis!.....this is beyond cool.....good luck!!!!.....michael --part1_114.1b0051b6.2b0fe21d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 14:43:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22399; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:42:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:42:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: ROCK GUITARIST DENIS TAAFFE CONSIDERED FOR GRAMMY AWARD IN 9 CATEGORIES Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:42:10 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: ROCK GUITARIST DENIS TAAFFE CONSIDERED FOR GRAMMY AWARD IN 9 CATEGORIES Thread-Index: AcKSXwFaDqmziX9bQKiyN+Xg2nzn3gAAjlsw From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Nov 2002 19:42:31.0323 (UTC) FILETIME=[4BEDF6B0:01C2925F] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA22377 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, well, I saw this and forwarded it on t the lsit. wow, didn;t know they send it twice and capitalize it all, hey the info is true, .Cool!!! Loooping is in!!! 8-) Denis -----Original Message----- From: Taaffe, Denis G Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 2:38 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ROCK GUITARIST DENIS TAAFFE CONSIDERED FOR GRAMMY AWARD IN 9 CATEGORIES This Mi2N news (http://www.mi2n.com) was e-Wired to you by dtaaffe@indiana.edu at 01:37 PM Friday November 22nd, 2002: dtaaffe@indiana.edu's message: COOL!!! -DT => ROCK GUITARIST DENIS TAAFFE CONSIDERED FOR GRAMMY AWARD IN 9 CATEGORIES; Rock Guitarist Denis Taaffe Was Selected For Consideration Of A Grammy Award Nomination In 9 Categories For His Newly Released "Modern Rock Guitar.vol.III" CD http://www.mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=44537 ----------------- Subscribe to Mi2N's Free Newsletters http://www.mi2n.com/subscribe.php3 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 14:47:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22719; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:46:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:46:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2925F.CBF4C2CC" Subject: RE: ROCK GUITARIST DENIS TAAFFE CONSIDERED FOR GRAMMY AWARD IN 9 CATEGORIES Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:46:06 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: ROCK GUITARIST DENIS TAAFFE CONSIDERED FOR GRAMMY AWARD IN 9 CATEGORIES Thread-Index: AcKSXzfPY4w2nq43Rn6drnV3ASfPDAAAnP0Q From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Nov 2002 19:46:06.0378 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC1CC0A0:01C2925F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2925F.CBF4C2CC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi thanks, but I don;t stand a chance really, Joe satriani is in the = category I had the best chance in 8-(....heheh But stil cool to be = listed as an indipendant artist!! and hey that CD is all loops!!! = boomerangs and lexicon jamman!! 8-) Cool Denis =20 denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com=20 -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 2:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ROCK GUITARIST DENIS TAAFFE CONSIDERED FOR GRAMMY AWARD IN = 9 CATEGORIES In a message dated 11/22/02 2:34:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, = dtaaffe@indiana.edu writes: http://www.mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=3D44537 wow denis!.....this is beyond cool.....good luck!!!!.....michael=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2925F.CBF4C2CC Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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wow=20 denis!.....this is beyond cool.....good luck!!!!.....michael=20
------_=_NextPart_001_01C2925F.CBF4C2CC-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 14:53:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23067; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:50:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:50:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011d01c29260$b9d73640$844c4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: ROCK GUITARIST DENIS TAAFFE CONSIDERED FOR GRAMMY AWARD IN 9 CATEGORIES Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:52:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Denis, that is excellent news - great profile building stuff - I really hope you manage to get a lot of coverage out of it, and some good gigs and CD sales! :o) I'm not familiar with the structure for the Grammies - how many are there in each category you've been nominated in? who nominated you? It all sounds very exciting! cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 7:46 PM Subject: RE: ROCK GUITARIST DENIS TAAFFE CONSIDERED FOR GRAMMY AWARD IN 9 CATEGORIES Hi thanks, but I don;t stand a chance really, Joe satriani is in the category I had the best chance in 8-(....heheh But stil cool to be listed as an indipendant artist!! and hey that CD is all loops!!! boomerangs and lexicon jamman!! 8-) Cool Denis denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 2:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ROCK GUITARIST DENIS TAAFFE CONSIDERED FOR GRAMMY AWARD IN 9 CATEGORIES In a message dated 11/22/02 2:34:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, dtaaffe@indiana.edu writes: http://www.mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=44537 wow denis!.....this is beyond cool.....good luck!!!!.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 15:02:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25206; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:01:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:01:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <011d01c29260$b9d73640$844c4ed5@bigboy> References: <011d01c29260$b9d73640$844c4ed5@bigboy> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:00:31 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: looper's delight awards? (was Re: ROCK GUITARIST DENIS TAAFFE CONSIDERED FOR GRAMMY AWARD IN 9 CATEGORIES) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com we need our own awards -- we could call them the Loopies. [insert smileys to taste] /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 15:06:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26013; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:05:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:05:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: ROCK GUITARIST DENIS TAAFFE CONSIDERED FOR GRAMMY AWARD IN 9 CATEGORIES Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:05:04 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: ROCK GUITARIST DENIS TAAFFE CONSIDERED FOR GRAMMY AWARD IN 9 CATEGORIES Thread-Index: AcKSYIacTDerDcslS7OxTjqWpt+vlgAA3p8g From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Nov 2002 20:05:04.0551 (UTC) FILETIME=[72842B70:01C29262] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA25988 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, ah carefull with the phrasing. WEll, I submitted a C dto Naras/recording academy, they made me a voting member after my second cd was lsited in three categories. and the way it works is it gos before a commitee who screens them and selects them for the entry lists.Each category has anywhere form 36 to 450 soem entries, out of those votingmembers choose the top5 fivee which will be actual grammi nominees!! My best chance is in best rock instrumental performance as I have 3 entries in that categories and there are a total of 36 entris in it and three are mine!!!Well, I am just pleased to be listed!!in other categories I am in it ranges from 78 to 400+ (like bes new artist and other general categories). Denis 8-) -----Original Message----- From: Steve Lawson [mailto:steve@steve-lawson.co.uk] Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 2:53 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ROCK GUITARIST DENIS TAAFFE CONSIDERED FOR GRAMMY AWARD IN 9 CATEGORIES Denis, that is excellent news - great profile building stuff - I really hope you manage to get a lot of coverage out of it, and some good gigs and CD sales! :o) I'm not familiar with the structure for the Grammies - how many are there in each category you've been nominated in? who nominated you? It all sounds very exciting! cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 7:46 PM Subject: RE: ROCK GUITARIST DENIS TAAFFE CONSIDERED FOR GRAMMY AWARD IN 9 CATEGORIES Hi thanks, but I don;t stand a chance really, Joe satriani is in the category I had the best chance in 8-(....heheh But stil cool to be listed as an indipendant artist!! and hey that CD is all loops!!! boomerangs and lexicon jamman!! 8-) Cool Denis denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 2:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ROCK GUITARIST DENIS TAAFFE CONSIDERED FOR GRAMMY AWARD IN 9 CATEGORIES In a message dated 11/22/02 2:34:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, dtaaffe@indiana.edu writes: http://www.mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=44537 wow denis!.....this is beyond cool.....good luck!!!!.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 15:07:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26117; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:05:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:05:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:03:46 -0800 Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: First Excursions into Frippertronics From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA8DC@LON-MAIL07> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3120811426_127598_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3120811426_127598_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit duncan writ: but it's the less obvious examples which are the sort of area where fripp shines- the solo on bowie's "thunderosa", his entry into vdgg's "man-erg" which sounds like he's walked into the room backwards just in time for his solo.... the man used to have a sense of humour. recommended: the original version of "league of gentlemen" (only on vinyl, so far as I know) and- where it works best, in a rock context- "exposure" (a terrific, under-rated album) and the companion daryl hall "sacred songs". pretty much anything where he appears as a guest. avoid the later crimson incarnations, esp. the construKction set. the projeKct stuff is way better, while "red" (the last "proper" KC album) was mr cobain's favourite album ever. apparently. you have to love the guy, curmudgeon though he be. just don't try to take his picture during a set- he will leave the stage before the flash has faded. duncan/r.m.i. so i'm just wondering since RF doesnt like his picture taken while playing-how did this bootleg video i have come about? all it says is "robert fripp 27-Jan-95 San Diego,Ca" the guy obviously has his vid camera setup right in front of fripp and its a great show-'specially when he starts the show and begins pushing buttons and stompin on stompers and*nothing works*! its funny-fripp's tech comes out and starts crawling around the wires and boxes and fripp looks at the crowd and mumbles"talk among yourselves" to great laughter. eventually the shows goes w/out a hitch and its great. anybody seen this one? stanabanana --MS_Mac_OE_3120811426_127598_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [looper's] RE: First Excursions into Frippertronics
duncan writ:

but it's the less obvious examples which are the sort of are= a where fripp shines- the solo on bowie's "thunderosa", his entry = into vdgg's "man-erg" which sounds like he's walked into the room = backwards just in time for his solo.... the man used to have a sense of humo= ur.

recommended: the original version of "league of gentlem= en" (only on vinyl, so far as I know) and- where it works best, in a ro= ck context- "exposure" (a terrific, under-rated album) and the com= panion daryl hall "sacred songs". pretty much anything where he ap= pears as a guest.

avoid the later crimson incarnations, esp. the construKction= set. the projeKct stuff is way better, while "red" (the last &quo= t;proper" KC album) was mr cobain's favourite album ever. apparently.

you have to love the guy, curmudgeon though he be. just don'= t try to take his picture during a set- he will leave the stage before the f= lash has faded.

duncan/r.m.i.



so i'm just wondering since RF doesnt like his picture taken while playing-= how did this bootleg video i have come about?
all it says is "robert fripp 27-Jan-95 San Diego,Ca" the guy obvi= ously has his vid camera setup right in front of fripp and its a great show-= 'specially when he starts the show and begins pushing buttons and stompin on= stompers and*nothing works*! its funny-fripp's tech comes out and starts cr= awling around the wires and boxes and fripp looks at the crowd and mumbles&q= uot;talk among yourselves" to great laughter. eventually the shows goes= w/out a hitch and its great.
anybody seen this one?
stanabanana
--MS_Mac_OE_3120811426_127598_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 15:09:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26381; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:07:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:07:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <12.291ca533.2b0fe84f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:06:39 EST Subject: Re: ROCK GUITARIST DENIS TAAFFE CONSIDERED FOR GRAMMY AWARD IN 9 CATEGORIES To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA26358 Resent-Message-ID: <-qngVB.A.FcG.W6o39@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Unbelievably cool! Congratulations Denis. tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 15:18:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28176; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:17:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:17:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013201c29264$1396a5a0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: ROCK GUITARIST DENIS TAAFFE CONSIDERED FOR GRAMMY AWARD IN 9 CATEGORIES Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:16:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > wow, didn;t know they send it twice and capitalize it all Well I think it *SHOULD* be in all caps! Congratulations! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 15:18:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28283; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:17:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:17:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008501c29231$cba13df0$10f8c440@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA8DC@LON-MAIL07> Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: First Excursions into Frippertronics Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:16:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com not sure if this has been mentioned, but steve reich was working with his tape-based music about the same time...early 60's, i think...which resulted such gems as "come out" and all the "____ phase" pieces. really incredible stuff that is very much loop-based. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 15:26:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29357; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:23:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:23:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021122202314.79891.qmail@web12308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:23:14 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Fripp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200211221953.OAA23386@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <<(hendrix rated dusty hill very highly, but you've got to listen to an uncomfortable amount of zz top to figure it out, and it's barely worth the trouble.) >> That's Billy Gibbons you're thinking of. Dusty Hill is their bassist. Hendrix was also once asked "What's it like being the world's greatest guitarist" and he replied "Ask Phil Keaggy" (I think it was Phil that he responded on that occasion). And then there's the story that one of the Chicago guys like to repeat, that Hendrix told him personally that Terry Kath was a much better guitarist than he was at a gig somewhere. <> One caveat on the guest thing: I have two of the Peter Gabriel records Fripp played on (the third of which he also produced, and is reported to have been part of some kind of trilogy along with Exposure and Sacred Songs), and except for two songs on the second album (the one with the big white scratches going down the length of the record from Peter's fingers), you can't even tell he's there. I don't know if he was mixed out, or if the liner notes are wrong, but the only songs you can tell that Fripp is really there are Exposure (which, obviously, is built around a Frippertronics loop) and White Shadow (which features one of those laser beam infinite sustain solos). <> You mean Kurt "I Never Wanted To Be Famous Even Though I Did Everything In My Power To Become Famous" Cobain? Well, I've heard stranger things. There was a punk band in LA called The Germs, who apparently were very influential. Their guitarist (who later went on to play with The Foo Fighters) was asked who his favorite guitarist was in Rolling Stone a few years back, and he named Steve Howe! I disagree with your assessment of latter day Crimson. I think every version of Crimson has given us lots to listen to. But I suppose it's easy to understand why fans of the 70's albums might not like them. Adrian Belew has that Beatles influenced singer/songwriter thing going, and that's ended up being a big part of the band's sound since he joined. But I think you should at least give side two of Three Of A Perfect Pair a listen. Most of it's instrumental, and it gets plenty out there. Funny note about the ProjeKcts albums: I saw ProjeKct Two in concert when they toured. In fact, if you listen real closely to that audience noise thing at the end of the ProjeKct Two disc in the boxset, you can hear me yell "GET A ROPE"...that sequence was recorded in Cleveland, where someone took a photograph and Fripp got up and walked off the stage...hence there's lots of "GET THE F***ER WITH THE CAMERA!!!!" and "PLEASE COME BACK!!!" etc from the audience members. Anyway, the thing I thought was interesting was a lot of times, when I heard that "laser beam" tone appear, it was actually Trey Gunn, on his touch guitar, playing it. At times, it almost sounded like dueling Fripp's, with him and Fripp trading off lines with that type of tone. And as for the sense of humor aspect, Fripp did have a great sense of humor, though you really only hear it on the live stuff. There's a couple examples of him on The Great Deciever boxset of him talking to the audience that are hilarious (he introduces himself to the Providence crowd as "Bob, or Chuckles Fripp, as I am known in the trade"). I have a couple bootlegs where he says similiarly hilarious things. On the bootleg from the Boston show from March of 72, he says that they're doing a experiment to see how many gigs a band can play in a row before someone drops, and also to see who will be the first to drop, then adds that at the moment "The odds on favorite is myself". ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus – Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 15:30:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29828; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:27:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:27:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-envelope-info: Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:30:56 -0800 Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: First Excursions into Frippertronics Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--439685699 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Landman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4DC2C587-FE59-11D6-940E-00039375AF3C@sonic.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--439685699 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Friday, November 22, 2002, at 12:03 PM, Stan Card wrote: > > so i'm just wondering since RF doesnt like his picture taken while > playing-how did this bootleg video i have come about? > all it says is "robert fripp 27-Jan-95 San Diego,Ca" the guy obviously > has his vid camera setup right in front of fripp and its a great > show-'specially when he starts the show and begins pushing buttons and > stompin on stompers and*nothing works*! its funny-fripp's tech comes > out and starts crawling around the wires and boxes and fripp looks at > the crowd and mumbles"talk among yourselves" to great laughter. > eventually the shows goes w/out a hitch and its great. > anybody seen this one? > stanabanana I haven't seen the video, but this sounds like an exact clone of the Soundscapes show RF did at Slim's in San Francisco at about the same time. Everything came to a screeching halt, RF smilingly instructed us to "feel free to talk among yourselves" while his tech fiddled about with the output connections on his Eventides. I made the hideous error of suggesting he bring back the Revoxes, earning a semi-withering glance in my general direction. Rather quickly the loop sprang back to life in all it's previous glory, which for me was somewhat like seeing the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain, the music had previously seemed very organic and growing. Now the music momentarily seemed just this like this big sample that owed most of it's sonic luster to the expensive Eventides. Once RF began to work with the loop again, the music regained it's interest. I guess this was a good example of the need for loop music to evolve to maintain listener involvement. Mark --Apple-Mail-1--439685699 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On Friday, November 22, 2002, at 12:03 PM, Stan Card wrote: so i'm just wondering since RF doesnt like his picture taken while playing-how did this bootleg video i have come about? all it says is "robert fripp 27-Jan-95 San Diego,Ca" the guy obviously has his vid camera setup right in front of fripp and its a great show-'specially when he starts the show and begins pushing buttons and stompin on stompers and*nothing works*! its funny-fripp's tech comes out and starts crawling around the wires and boxes and fripp looks at the crowd and mumbles"talk among yourselves" to great laughter. eventually the shows goes w/out a hitch and its great. anybody seen this one? stanabanana I haven't seen the video, but this sounds like an exact clone of the Soundscapes show RF did at Slim's in San Francisco at about the same time. Everything came to a screeching halt, RF smilingly instructed us to "feel free to talk among yourselves" while his tech fiddled about with the output connections on his Eventides. I made the hideous error of suggesting he bring back the Revoxes, earning a semi-withering glance in my general direction. Rather quickly the loop sprang back to life in all it's previous glory, which for me was somewhat like seeing the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain, the music had previously seemed very organic and growing. Now the music momentarily seemed just this like this big sample that owed most of it's sonic luster to the expensive Eventides. Once RF began to work with the loop again, the music regained it's interest. I guess this was a good example of the need for loop music to evolve to maintain listener involvement. Mark --Apple-Mail-1--439685699-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 16:04:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01474; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:03:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:03:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021122210337.38020.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:03:37 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: OT Rory Strats/Line 6 effects/RMI To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200211221502.KAA29101@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> Well, first of all, I'm a guitarist myself, and I adore Strats, and I'm also a Rory Gallagher fan. Althought I didn't really get into Rory until a few years ago (when all of his albums were reissued State-side by the Buddha label), I've got quite heavily into him in that time, and even own a bootlegged video of one of his Rockpalast appearances. Believe me, I've spent more than a little time staring at the real thing! That point lept out at me almost immediately when I saw that photo of Gary. I was like "Wait a second! That's one of the Rory Strats!" For this year's Fender Custom Shop calendar, the Rory Strat was used for the January "model". I had heard about the replicas from a Rory mailing list I used to be on, but was quite impressed that the publishers of the calendar used it. I mean, I don't know what it's like in the UK, but Rory really isn't all that well known here in the US, so the publishers could have easily said "Rory WHO?! We need somebody FAMOUS for our calendar!". At any rate, cheers to Gary for being lucky enough to get one of those. I'd love to get one, but whoever's in charge of such things at Fender decided not continue to the replicas, and I believe the ones that do exist are all in the UK. It's a moot point, anyway, as they're all mucho expensive. <> Right, I have all three of those as well (still haven't gotten the distortion pedal yet). I think they're all amazing, in terms of everything they pack into each one. I've been thinking about getting an expression pedal (actually, I need to get one for each of em), and seeing if I can't program the filter pedal to emulate my old Coloursound wah-wah (I don't know exactly when it was built, but it's clearly VERY old, and has a wider frequency range than any other wah wah I've seen...even the newer Coloursound pedals from the 90's aren't like this). << someone told me that the pro version can be had for $299 in the US, about half what it is here... is this true?>> I think it was mentioned on this list that this is true, but I really don't have the means to get the pro versions of the units. My main interest in something like that would be that the pro versions have more memory slots on them. There's just too many different settings I want to store on each of them. <> Yeah, I suppose that would be a problem. Well, if you can back to the Eastern part of the US again someday, say to Philly again, or NYC or maybe Baltimore, I can promise that I'll make an effort to be there. And if you make it to Cleveland (where I live) I WILL be there. Unfortunately, you guys were playing in Philly the night after Yes was playing here in Cleveland (or actually, they were in Akron, which is about an hour from Cleveland). In order for me to see the Yesshow, I had basically had to work on Saturday night, and it was just impossible for me to get the night off so I could travel out to see you guys. And of coures, I completely forgot about the Stars End broadcast, so I didn't get to hear that either. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus – Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 16:26:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02938; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:24:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:24:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:24:41 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: ROCK GUITARIST DENIS TAAFFE CONSIDERED FOR GRAMMY AWARD IN 9 CATEGORIES To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <097501c2926d$91c2d2b0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200211221937.NAA11148@artemis.host4u.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com cool! maybe the grammies aren't all bullshit after all... > > => ROCK GUITARIST DENIS TAAFFE CONSIDERED FOR GRAMMY AWARD IN 9 CATEGORIES; > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 16:27:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03144; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:26:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:26:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021122212655.15858.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:26:55 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Should ambient music be performed live? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3DDD5515.19735E56@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > My wife says, "You've got to have a gimmick or be pretty damn cute." > I think she's right. Maybe I need a gimmick? > > I'm not meaning to be insulting, I'm just trying to hit on something here that > I think is a common problem for a lot of loopers. Are you saying we're not CUTE??!? Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus – Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 17:03:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06621; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:02:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:02:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200211170015.TAA20293@hemlock.violacea.com> <029601c28f8c$60e97060$0964f93f@global> <3DD9D4C3.AEC53C17@tapehissrecordings.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:02:37 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: mail filtering Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 1:05 AM -0500 11/19/02, Scott Carr wrote: >>I really wish Kim would reconsider using a prefix like [LoopD] or >>even just [LD]. Makes filtering + sorting much easier. > >I'm using Eudora. My filter for this list is <> >contains "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > >It works fine. amazing. I also use Eudora and it is on <> contains "loopers-delight.com" and still some LD mails stay in the IN box! I hope not to be considered "stupid people" due to this -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 17:03:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06644; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:02:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:02:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20021114195437.17309.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:02:37 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7kj00C.A.unB.Smq39@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Watching musicians (especially improvisors) do what they need to do >to get the music out of their instruments is pretty much theatre >enough for me. I find it even more interesting what they need to do to get the music into their brains. as oposed to theater, especially the improvisors are not quite able to direct the visual appearence. Distorted faces and strange positions are common, especially in Jazz. One would suspect that the non controling improvizing state lets the deep personality appear, but its not quite what I observe. This reminds also of the habits, voices and expressions that media when in trance (another spirit in them, or whatever) I think the public likes that. Remember Keith Jarret singing totally out of tune while improvizing brilliantely on the piano? How can that happen? Its not theater, I think... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 17:04:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06598; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:02:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:02:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20021120220618.00adae80@pop.earthlink.net> References: <20021120223003.3795.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.5.32.20021120220618.00adae80@pop.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:02:37 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: -On the idea of playing digital watches and such... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on saturday I had a tribal jam with percussionists that dont use computers and hardly ever a mic, but they use a fake cell phone that only can produze the sounds of a real one to give the techno touch ;-) > -Speaking of digital watches, at a mostly acoustic jam onece, during a >particularly crazed and dissonant excursion, I was suddenly possessed of >the idea to play my cell phone. I quickly rummaged in my purse, grabbed >it, and found the ring type menu and cycled back and forth as musically as >I could, through the various sounds and song'type rings to come up with >some relatively coherent and quite interestingly complex musical patterns >with them. It was a lot of fun, and people really dug it! It >fit with the piece marvelously... > Perhaps I'll use it in a loop... Have a wonderful evening, All... >Catch ya laters... > >Smiles and beeps... > > >Cara > >At 02:55 PM 11/20/02 -0700, you wrote: >>Right. I felt the same way when I got the Repeater. I was used to the >>JamMan but after I realized how to use the Repeater for what it was, and not >>what it wasn't, I too loved it. I did the same thing with the EDP. When I >>first got it I didn't like it because of what it wasn't. Expectation is a >>dangerous thing. (note to self: become more enlightened.) The truth is, if >>you're musical, you'll make music. With a DL4, EDP, Repeater, or with a >>Digital Watch. (HI RICK WALKER) The key is to stop not doing it. >> >>Mark Sottilaro >> >>> --- Stuart Wyatt wrote: >>> > I spent the best part of the day installing a new studio at home, and I >>> > have finally fallen completely in love with the Repeater. >>> . >>> . >>> > As soon as I stopped thinking about the music in the same was as I did >>> > with the DL4, then everything started to work.... :) >>> >>> Interesting. What was the perspective change that got you there? >>> >>> Greg >>> >> >> > > >--- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. >-Then, anything is possible..." > >http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > >Please visit The Guitar Cafe. > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 17:04:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06858; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:03:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:03:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3DD3D211.EB0C841A@zerocrossing.net> References: <20021114001552.7919.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> <3DD3D211.EB0C841A@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:02:37 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0hJpt.A.ErB.kmq39@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I think the total >improv thing is just contributing to the basic stress level of a gig anyway. > >Mark Sottilaro for me, to remember anything I am supposed to play is stress Since you feel stress from the unplanned, maybe you are right to rather follow the composition way! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 17:32:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08302; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:28:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:28:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021122142340.01bf0870@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: the truth is out there. Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:24:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: mail filtering In-Reply-To: References: <200211170015.TAA20293@hemlock.violacea.com> <029601c28f8c$60e97060$0964f93f@global> <3DD9D4C3.AEC53C17@tapehissrecordings.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Change it to <> At 08:02 PM 2002/11/22 -0200, Matthias Grob wrote: >>At 1:05 AM -0500 11/19/02, Scott Carr wrote: >>>I really wish Kim would reconsider using a prefix like [LoopD] or even just [LD]. Makes filtering + sorting much easier. >> >>I'm using Eudora. My filter for this list is <> contains "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" >> >>It works fine. > >amazing. I also use Eudora and it is on <> contains "loopers-delight.com" and still some LD mails stay in the IN box! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 21:46:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26415; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:42:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:42:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DDEEB79.8050906@bagend.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:44:09 -0600 From: Henry Heine User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 80's looping? References: <3DDC91E3.BCB184AC@tapehissrecordings.com> <3DDDBED6.F8519E0@tapehissrecordings.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, I am happy to see this posted. I have seen Ms Hirsch perform at Roulette some years ago. I had no idea what to expect and I was blown away. Too long ago to remember if it was the performance mentioned, but the feeling she put out was unforgetable. I would definately like to check out anything new by her. Henry Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 12:21 AM -0500 11/22/02, Scott Carr wrote: > >> I'm guessing that Shelley Hirsch is the likely candidate. I remember >> that she looked a bit like Kate Bush + she seems to most closely fit >> that profile. Do you know if whe has an official website - I'm not > >> coming up with very musch in English from Google. > > > http://www.creative-capital.org/artists/performance/hirsch/hirsch.html > > http://www.somewhere.org/NAR/Work_Excerpts/Hirsch/Main.htm > > http://www.tzadik.com/CDSections/RadicalJewishCulture/hirsch.html > > http://www.uncool.ch/SPONSOR2001/Hirsch.html > > This is from the Harvestworks Creative Contact site: > > Composer's bio/personal statement: > Shelley Hirsch began putting on musical performances in the courtyard > of the apartment building where she grew up in Brooklyn, NY. After > dropping out of high school, Hirsch relocated to San Francisco and > joined an experimental theater company. While working with that group, > she read Artaud, practiced Jerzy Grotowski's physical theater > exercises, explored extended vocal techniques and began composing > pieces for voice. She has been singing, composing and performing ever > since. Her staged (mostly solo) musical performances, radio plays, > improvisations and music for films, concerts and recordings have been > received with critical acclaim internationally. > > Other professional information: > I own dat machines, an Eventide harmonizer and other multi effects > units and a sampling keyboard. > I have recorded and performed on the works of several composers, often > creating my own vocal part. These include Jerry Hunt, John Zorn, > Richard Teitelbaum, Arnold Dreyblatt, David Weinstein, Elliot Sharp, > David Simons, Joel Forrester, Phillip Johnston, Kirk Nurock. > Current record label/publishing affiliations: > Record labels include Tellus, Tzadik, FMP, Intakt, No Mans Land/Rec > rec, CRI, Nonesuch etc I am affiliated with Gema in Germany > Other works: > A partial list of my music composition > War or Dreams Voice( a.k.a. # 39) : electronic processing, sound > effects, keyboards (keyboards, David Weinstein.) Commissioned by New > American Radio, Harvestworks > Now I am yours and Temenos: Music from the film (excerpt included) by > film maker Nina Danino > The Passions of Natasha, Nokiko, Nina, Nanette and Norma: Music > performance installation in collaboration with visual artist Barbara > Bloom for voice,electronics, acoustic and electric keyboards, > percussion, timpani, turntables, harpsichord created with the > musicians Anthony Coleman, David Simons, David Shea, Denman Maroney > (an hour long performance)Commissioned/ co produced by the Marstall, > Hebbel Theater,(Germany) Vienna Festival Week,(Austria) > Medea: Music for the dance production choreographed by Claudia Feest > of the Tanz Fabrik Berlin For voice, sampling keyboards, live > electronics performed by myself live > (an hour long performance) > For Jerry Part 1: Music performance and installation, a virtual duet > with the late composer performance/video artist Jerry Hunt in which,I > collaged arranged and sung-spoke with his pre recorded music. > Co-produced/ commissioned by The Whitney Museum on 42nd St. > performance series,The Marstall and Hebbel Theaters in Germany. > For Jerry Part 2:, for my father Jerry first permutation performed at > Roulette, commissioned by NYSCA for voice and keyboards. Performed by > myself, Anthony Coleman and David Shea > O' Little Town of East New York: my autobiographical, prize winning > piece for radio, stage concert and cd, for voice, electronics and > sampling keyboards co-composed with keyboardist David Weinstein > commissioned for radio by New American Radio. The music was > commissioned by Mary Flagler Cary Trust > Recordings: > States- My latest cd on Tellus > O Little Town of East New York co composed with David Weinstein on Tzadik > Singing-Solo for voice and duets with Samm Bennett and David Simons an > Apollo > Haiku Lingo Co. compositions with David Weinstein on No Mans Land > Reviews: > "Tenemos" and "States" - both dating from 1997 - are incredible. > "States," the album's centerpiece, is a complex soundscape that mixes > polyphonic renditions of American pop songs ("Blue Moon" and "Blue > Skies"), cocktail lounge monologues, techno music, exotica, Bulgarian > choral singing and the Firebird Suite, all strung together in a stew > of electronically treated found sounds. It's not an easy thing melding > all this territory into coherence, yet Hirsch manages to keep the > thing seamlessly afloat for almost 20 minutes. "Tenemos" is a hypnotic > treatment of a Steinian sentence, "Don't touch the rosebush." There > are grunts and groans, cut-up words, drony echoes, clicks and pops. > It's a marvelous update on the vocal techniques pioneered by Cathy > Berberian earlier in the century. > [Goldsmith, NYPress Music Xtra, Feb. 4-10, 1998] > Genres that apply to the Composer's work: > New Music > Jazz > Classical > Popular > Ambient > many of my pieces incorporate various styles and genres > The experiences that have influenced the Composer's entire body of > work are: > Growing up in the melting pot of NYC, remembering every record that > spun on my families record player as a child, experiencing the way > things sound in different acoustical settings, i.e., houses of > worship, stairwells, rooms with no reflection at all; creating vocal > sound landscapes while a performer in an experimental theater company > in the early seventies, loving to improvise > >-- > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 22 22:03:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28602; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 22:01:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 22:01:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <03ed01c2929c$7237acc0$ca615cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playliat #296 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:59:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <_wKDvD.A.0-G.U-u39@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #296 November 21, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Two Dutch Bands, Free System Projekt and Wave World. The Featured CD at midnight was disc two of the two CD set "Atmospheric Conditions" by Free System Projekt on the Quantum label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Games" by Synergy (a.k.a. Larry Fast) on the Passport Records label. Two Dutch Bands http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#nov PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Synergy Delta One Games (Passport Records) Mike Griffin and Please Identify Imprint (Hypnos) Dave Fulton Richard Pinhas RF (for) Event and Repetitions (Cuneiform) Ixohoxi Recurring Daydream Somnabulae (MP3.COM) Robert Carty and Polar Shift Climatic Infusion (none) Brannan Lane John Flomer Praying with Fire On a Stranger Light (Spotted Peccary) Stephen Philips Stream of Reflections in Water (Dark Consciousness * Duck) 12:00 am Free System Projekt Larissa Atmospheric Conditions (Quantum) Free System Projekt Proteus Atmospheric Conditions (Quantum) Free System Projekt Triton Atmospheric Conditions (Quantum) Free System Projekt Neried Atmospheric Conditions (Quantum) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Two Dutch Bands, Free System Projekt and Wave World. The Featured CD at Midnight will be disc two from "Cloudseeder" by Wave World on the VFR label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Cords" by Synergy, a.k.a. Larry Fast, on the Passport label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 00:00:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03833; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:56:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:56:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:56:57 -0800 Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: First Excursions into Frippertronics From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 11/22/02 7:14 AM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: > These techniques were therefore common currency among the > musical avant garde when Eno turned Fripp on to the idea in the early > '70s. True. But can you give anyone other than Fripp credit for really pushing it in an essentially commercial, touring form? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 00:14:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05765; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 00:12:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 00:12:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:12:51 -0800 Subject: Re: First Excursions into Frippertronics From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01ba01c2919c$12cac700$9940a8c0@dyland> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are going to own one Frippertronics album, get "Let the Power Fall". If you are going to own one Fripp Soundscape album, I would probably opt for "A Blessing of Tears". Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 00:29:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06577; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 00:29:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 00:29:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021122211909.02538898@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:28:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: First Excursions into Frippertronics In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:56 PM 11/22/2002, Mark Hamburg wrote: >on 11/22/02 7:14 AM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: > > > These techniques were therefore common currency among the > > musical avant garde when Eno turned Fripp on to the idea in the early > > '70s. > >True. But can you give anyone other than Fripp credit for really pushing it >in an essentially commercial, touring form? a. Les Paul in the 50's b. the beatles (very commercial, although not touring) Les Paul was using looping in the late 50's (1956?), on tour and doing his radio shows with Mary Ford and the Les Paulverizer. Certainly they were much more commercial than Fripp, although probably not resulting in many people becoming loopers due to the prohibitive cost of the equipment at the time. speaking of which, someone recently pointed out how the looping history page on LD has no mention of Les Paul, which does seem like quite an oversight. Does anybody know enough about what he did to add something about that to the page? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 00:35:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06906; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 00:34:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 00:34:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021122223739.008b6b90@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 22:37:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: -mostly guitar content -was- Re: [looper's] RE: First Excursions into Frippertronics In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA8DC@LON-MAIL07> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm curious, why is it that in most or many people's minds, the idea of someone playing guitar pyrotechnics has to preclude the idea of someone being expressive? You can have both. You can express yourself playing quickly as well as playing slowly. Different times and emotions and music call for different things... -just my thoughts... Smiles, CQ At 02:54 PM 11/22/02 -0000, you wrote: > >>Does anyone else have any comments on what to look for or why something ><< can't we just do the prefix thing ourselves, like this? it works for >my filter. most annoying thing is when someone replies to a list along with >a bunch of other addresses (like their mates or summat) and the >list-address doesn't get seen by the filter.... but these are minor >inconveniences, and so is spam. basically, you've got to stop treating >e-mail inboxes like they were y'r own personal space, and get used to >deleting stuff. it's easier than getting rid of /real/ junk-mail. anyway. >his bobness. >"""" happened while they were supposed to be doing something else.... "" >eno for the legacy, not fripp. but steve reich and les paul had both done >it earlier anyway. and the e-bow was just around the corner, though >a.f.a.i.k. fripp's never used one. fripp's contribution seems to me to >have been to stick at it and make it work commercially. >"" guitarists who can tell whether they're holding a guitar or their own >pork-prong..... I can enjoy listening to many wildly different styles of >guitar-playing but the common factor to all the afore-mentioned and >extending to the likes of evh, rory gallagher, leslie west and so on, is >the rapport they have with the instrument that permits every nuance of >expression to show. as opposed to the it-could-be-anyone-playing-that >pyrotechnics of, say, johnny greenwood or ace from skunk anansie or dave >grohl or..... (hendrix rated dusty hill very highly, but you've got to >listen to an uncomfortable amount of zz top to figure it out, and it's >barely worth the trouble.) "" on dave lee roth's lyrics, or /any/ >hendrix... and this is key to understanding why none of jimi's many >imitators- trower, frusciante et al- don't sound like the real deal. """" >which sounds like he's walked into the room backwards just in time for his >solo.... the man used to have a sense of humour. """""". pretty much >anything where he appears as a guest. """" KC album) was mr cobain's >favourite album ever. apparently. you have to love the guy, curmudgeon >though he be. just don't try to take his picture during a set- he will >leave the stage before the flash has faded. duncan/r.m.i. > > > > > > > *************************************************************************** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may > not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it > in any form whatsoever. > If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender > by replying to this message. > > MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from > external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct > and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. > > MTV Networks Europe > *************************************************************************** > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 01:09:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09858; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 01:08:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 01:08:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005f01c292b6$ec074dc0$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents SYLKEN Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 01:09:45 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <7atTfC.A.8ZC.gtx39@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday November 26th 2002 - SYLKEN Returning for their final performance of 2002, Sylken's Eric Hopper (synthesizers) with guest artists Steve Sauve (synths & loops) and cheryl o (treated cello & loops) will traverse rhythmic territories and fluidic textures to bend and caress your ears with their edgy, yet symphonic, sonic landscapes and atmospheres. (Look for Sylken's "Illusions Of Light" CD at PiNG THiNGS.) Sylken - http://www.sylken.ca Steven Sauve - http://www.karmafarm.ca cheryl o - http://www.cellojuice.com Between Sets CD - "Underground Overlays From The Cistern Chapel" by Stuart Dempster - (New Albion - 1995) Deep, slow moving, tonescapes created by ten trombones led by Stuart Dempster performing in a cement two million gallon water tank. (Reminiscent of Tom Heasley's recent works on tuba with treatments.) Alternate pieces feature Dempster performing in the space on conch. http://www.newalbion.com/artists/dempsters . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the PiNG THiNGS ambient/experimental CD boutique. Drop off food at PiNG THiNGS for the Daily Bread Food Bank too. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday Dec. 3rd - dreamSTATE with Susanna Hood dreamSTATE - http://www.dreamstate.to Susanna Hood - http://www.humprojects.org/subio.html Between Sets CD - "Soma" by Steve Roach & Robert Rich . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . * Also catch Susanna Hood performing this weekend at ODE - a dance installation inspired by air & water currents conceived by Rebecca Todd and created with dancers Eryn Dace Trudell, Yves Candau, Karen Kaeja, Tina Park and composer Susanna Hood, animating a giant mobile designed by Alan Steinbach & constructed by Cherly Lalonde Saturday Nov.23rd, 1-5pm + Sunday Nov.24th, 1-5pm Dovercourt House Ballroom 805 Dovercourt Rd, 2nd floor (north of Bloor), Toronto The performance runs continuously while studio doors are open. Audiences are free to come and go as the dance unfolds. Presented by Offshoots - 416-486-0634 or e-mail: becket@sympatico.ca - Tickets $10 / $7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 02:47:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA17262; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:44:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:44:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021123074427.25390.qmail@web12304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:44:27 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Won't Get Gated Again To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200211011201.HAA14276@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1jMKWD.A.oNE.cHz39@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> Which is also how they played it in concert, even after they started bringing a keyboardist on tour with them, ie the Lowrey/VCS3 part on tape, and the band playing live to it. They did that with Baba O'Riley and Who Are You as well. Moon always had to wear headphones when playing Won't Get Fooled Again and Baba O'Riley onstage so he could stay in sync with the tape (he did this also with all the Quadrophenia songs in 73-74 where they also used tapes). BTW, I never noticed any fumbles on the studio version of Won't Get Fooled Again..where does this happen? Sorry for posting on something that's so old, but I've been cleaning out my e-mail box, and am finding a lot of stuff I overlooked before. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus – Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 03:42:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21100; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 03:39:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 03:39:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 00:37:26 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: Practice, rehearse, perform To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DDF3E46.DE707627@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20021114195437.17309.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com However, I wonder if we're interested in this type of performance because we're musicians. I'm sure it has some appeal to the non-musician audience, but I'm sure not to the same degree. I once played a gig with a pop band where I was asked to do a show after only being in the band a week. They were fairly complicated songs and there was no way I could learn them all in time. I basically learned what keys things were in and some of the basic chord structures to a few of them. Most of the time I had my volume all the way down. I was totally hamming it up, mostly because I thought it was funny. My girlfriend kept pointing at the guitar and giving me the "I can't hear you" sign. After the show I informed her that I wasn't really playing most of the time. HA! The lead singer totally complemented me, as did some of the audience. I'm just hoping that there wasn't some guitar player in the audience thinking, "This guy isn't really playing, what the fuck?" I may just try a show where I play a CD of my work while I fool around with my gear and fake guitar and stuff. Then I'll know... Mark Sottilaro Matthias Grob wrote: > > > >Watching musicians (especially improvisors) do what they need to do > >to get the music out of their instruments is pretty much theatre > >enough for me. > > I find it even more interesting what they need to do to get the music > into their brains. > as oposed to theater, especially the improvisors are not quite able > to direct the visual appearence. Distorted faces and strange > positions are common, especially in Jazz. > One would suspect that the non controling improvizing state lets the > deep personality appear, but its not quite what I observe. > This reminds also of the habits, voices and expressions that media > when in trance (another spirit in them, or whatever) > I think the public likes that. > Remember Keith Jarret singing totally out of tune while improvizing > brilliantely on the piano? How can that happen? Its not theater, I > think... > -- > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 04:04:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA23328; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 04:02:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 04:02:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 10:02:13 +0100 Subject: Leviticus demo (New Repeater Jam) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3DDF3E46.DE707627@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: <41C45ED6-FEC2-11D6-9718-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, A few people emailed me offlist asking me to let them know when I get something recorded with the new setup. I played for about 7 hours non-stop yesterday, trying to get to know the equipment and to use it subconciously. I've uploaded a small snipped (7.8MB) of a 20 minute jam at http://mapage.noos.fr/solostring2/22NovSnippet.mp3 Like I said, for some reason, the music has become very very celtic..... Its not a worked out piece at all - just a live jam. Every sound/note was triggered live with either the instruments or keyboard/footpedal.. Anyway... thats what I'm up to... and loving every second of it :) -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 04:48:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA25336; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 04:47:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 04:47:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 10:47:00 +0100 Subject: Re: Leviticus demo (New Repeater Jam) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <41C45ED6-FEC2-11D6-9718-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Message-Id: <835E88D2-FEC8-11D6-9718-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Whoops - I quoted the size of another file. Its 2.79MB, so it should be ok for dialup people. http://mapage.noos.fr/solostring2/22NovSnippet.mp3 -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 07:46:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA03873; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 07:42:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 07:42:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 07:42:21 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: First Excursions into Frippertronics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004b01c292ed$c42d4200$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <7qllZC.A.b8.Jf339@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" > on 11/22/02 7:14 AM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: > > > These techniques were therefore common currency among the > > musical avant garde when Eno turned Fripp on to the idea in the early > > '70s. > > True. But can you give anyone other than Fripp credit for really pushing it > in an essentially commercial, touring form? Terry Riley. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 09:01:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10511; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 09:00:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 09:00:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007101c292f8$54c5f780$a9635cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for November 23, 2002 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 08:57:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown on 91.7 FM and on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #12 November 23, 2002. PLAYLIST: Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== VA [Fanger & Kersten] Terraforming First Decade 1992-2002 (Manikin) VA [Ron Boots & Sequence Piece Sequences No. 27 (none) Kees Aerts] VA [Keller & Virtual World Sequences No. 27 (none) Schonwalder] Ian Boddy Ecliptic Aurora (DiN) Ian Boddy Vox Lumina Aurora (DiN) Jeff Pearce The Last Secret Bleed (Hypnos) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Philip Glass and Naqoyqasti Naqoyqasti (SONY Classical) Yo-Yo Ma Willy Porter Moonbeam The Trees Have Soul (Don't) Willy Porter Cut the Rope Falling Forward (Six Degrees) Willy Porter All Fall Down Willy Porter (Six Degrees) Alias Zone Dervish Lucid Dreams (Cyber Motion) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Genesis The Lamb Lies Down On Archive 1967-75 (Atlantic) Broadway Genesis Fly On a Windshield Archive 1967-75 (Atlantic) Genesis Broadway Melody of 1974 Archive 1967-75 (Atlantic) Genesis Cuckoo Cocoon Archive 1967-75 (Atlantic) Genesis In the Cage Archive 1967-75 (Atlantic) Genesis The Grand Parade of Archive 1967-75 (Atlantic) Lifeless Packaging Genesis Back in N.Y.C. Archive 1967-75 (Atlantic) Genesis Hairless Heart Archive 1967-75 (Atlantic) Genesis Counting Out Time Archive 1967-75 (Atlantic) Genesis Carpet Crawlers Archive 1967-75 (Atlantic) Genesis The Chamber of 32 Doors Archive 1967-75 (Atlantic) * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on December 7. Bill =============================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 11:28:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19601; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 11:25:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 11:25:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007c01c2930d$11e25a20$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: Subject: Re: First Excursions into Frippertronics Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 11:26:26 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > If you are going to own one Frippertronics album, get "Let the Power Fall". > > If you are going to own one Fripp Soundscape album, I would probably opt for > "A Blessing of Tears". > > Mark Agree strongly that "A Blessing of Tears" is the "one". Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 11:33:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20060; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 11:30:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 11:30:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c2930f$31e5c710$9da45e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: <41C45ED6-FEC2-11D6-9718-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Subject: Re: Leviticus demo (New Repeater Jam) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 08:41:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks, Stuart! Expanded instrumentation - I like it lots. What all do you play? For your flute, is it Irish, silver, penny whistle, ___? On its second appearance, you bend notes more...I wish I could do that more on my silver flute! Pan flutes have a really nice timber, but definitely a different agileness/quality in succession of tones, sliding the embouchure over the tone holes rather than operating fingers on holes/hatches! I was blowing into a section of metal cylinder wind chime yesterday, a la pan pipe, noting that it was actually kind of a percussion instrument in its normal tinkliness hanging in the wind with its companions and striker/player...:-) David A. ...> I've uploaded a small snipped (7.8MB) of a 20 minute jam at > http://mapage.noos.fr/solostring2/22NovSnippet.mp3 > > Like I said, for some reason, the music has become very very > celtic..... Its not a worked out piece at all - just a live jam. Every > sound/note was triggered live with either the instruments or > keyboard/footpedal.. ...> Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 11:40:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20657; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 11:37:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 11:37:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a701c2930e$c9d1f2c0$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <007c01c2930d$11e25a20$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Subject: Re: First Excursions into Frippertronics Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 11:38:44 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <_rUry.A.rCF.H7639@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > If you are going to own one Frippertronics album, get "Let the Power Fall". > > > > If you are going to own one Fripp Soundscape album, I would probably opt for > > "A Blessing of Tears". > > > > Mark > > Agree strongly that "A Blessing of Tears" is the "one". > > Cheers, > Scott M2 Just to disagree with myself - "A Blessing of Tears" is haunting, beautiful, emotional and very ambient but "No Pussyfooting" is a brilliant first response to the tape looping system and I've never tired of it - so it may be the "one" if you want more "edge". (There's a version of "No Pussyfooting" out there on CD that also contains the first side of "Evening Star".) Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 11:42:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20909; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 11:39:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 11:39:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 08:39:40 -0800 Subject: Re: Won't Get Gated Again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200211230948.EAA25501@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <2933B134-FF02-11D6-AF46-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's a fascinating page detailing how Townshend got a lot of his synth sounds at: http://members.madasafish.com/~r_rowley/page3.html A great look at how some mundane gear (mandolin repeat on a Lowrey organ?!) can be used to create interesting sounds. Also of note, the guitar synth (!) intro to Won't Get Fooled Again. TH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 12:22:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24983; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 12:21:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 12:21:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:21:17 +0100 Subject: Re: Leviticus demo (New Repeater Jam) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <004501c2930f$31e5c710$9da45e82@audiows> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, November 23, 2002, at 05:41 PM, David Auker wrote: > Thanks, Stuart! Expanded instrumentation - I like it lots. What all > do you > play? For your flute, is it Irish, silver, penny whistle, ___? Apart from the 7-string electric violin, I have a 'high D' and 'low D' metal flutes... I think they are overton, but I'm not sure. I suppose they are penny whistles, but solid aluminium.... They are pretty old and well used. All the other sounds are from the virtual samplers (using Reason on my ibook) triggered with the 2 octave Oxygen8 midi keyboard and Roland FC200. > On its second appearance, you bend notes more...I wish I could do > that more on my silver flute! Technically I play really badly, and I think that I hold the flutes in the wrong position. I definitely know that I do for the Low D, as I cannot get the stretch to cover the holes with the lower stubs of the fingers. I picked them up when I was living in Galway in 94, and have never really had the chance to use them until now. > I was blowing into a section of metal cylinder wind chime yesterday, a > la > pan pipe, noting that it was actually kind of a percussion instrument > in its > normal tinkliness hanging in the wind with its companions and > striker/player...:-) Cool :) I love experimenting with instruments and objects too. I think I'm the only violinist who bashes the hell out of his violin to get percussion sounds.... The carbon composite body means that I theoretically wont damage the violin, but the looks that I get from other violinists are....er.... one of shock :) -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 12:29:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25314; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 12:27:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 12:27:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 09:27:51 -0800 Subject: Re: First Excursions into Frippertronics From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021122211909.02538898@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 11/22/02 9:28 PM, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > a. Les Paul in the 50's > > Les Paul was using looping in the late 50's (1956?), on tour and doing his > radio shows with Mary Ford and the Les Paulverizer. Certainly they were > much more commercial than Fripp, although probably not resulting in many > people becoming loopers due to the prohibitive cost of the equipment at the > time. I stand corrected. My problem with the various academic progenitors is that the academic music community has a tendency toward introversion -- i.e., the music is mostly heard by other people in the community. This doesn't affect their claim to being first, but it does leave open the question of who brought the techniques to a wider audience. Each is valuable in its own right. I'm still impressed with the tour list on "Let the Power Fall". Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 12:33:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25390; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 12:27:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 12:27:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 09:21:57 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: First Excursions into Frippertronics In-reply-to: <5.1.1.6.2.20021122211909.02538898@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1174049833==_ma============" References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021122211909.02538898@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2oZBEB.A.oMG.Wq739@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1174049833==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 9:28 PM -0800 11/22/02, Kim Flint wrote: >Les Paul was using looping in the late 50's (1956?), on tour and >doing his radio shows with Mary Ford and the Les Paulverizer. >Certainly they were much more commercial than Fripp, although >probably not resulting in many people becoming loopers due to the >prohibitive cost of the equipment at the time. > >speaking of which, someone recently pointed out how the looping >history page on LD has no mention of Les Paul, which does seem like >quite an oversight. Does anybody know enough about what he did to >add something about that to the page? I've been unable to find any solid references to Les Paul's rumored looping techniques (not that I dispute these rumors in the least!). His seminal work in multitrack recording is well documented, but the following are vague and speculative: During the 1940s Les Paul is alleged to have implemented the first live delay system using a disk cutter and a second playback tone arm. During the 1950s he is alleged to have used a loop-based tape echo system. Also at that time he is alleged to have used a tape loop system to do live overdubbing. The Les Paulverizer is a guitar-mounted controller for his backing tapes, but details on it have eluded me. If anyone can get me a phone number for Les Paul I'll be happy to call him and get some details. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1174049833==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" RE: First Excursions into Frippertronics
At 9:28 PM -0800 11/22/02, Kim Flint wrote:

Les Paul was using looping in the late 50's (1956?), on tour and doing his radio shows with Mary Ford and the Les Paulverizer. Certainly they were much more commercial than Fripp, although probably not resulting in many people becoming loopers due to the prohibitive cost of the equipment at the time.
speaking of which, someone recently pointed out how the looping history page on LD has no mention of Les Paul, which does seem like quite an oversight. Does anybody know enough about what he did to add something about that to the page?

I've been unable to find any solid references to Les Paul's rumored looping techniques (not that I dispute these rumors in the least!). His seminal work in multitrack recording is well documented, but the following are vague and speculative:

During the 1940s Les Paul is alleged to have implemented the first live delay system using a disk cutter and a second playback tone arm.

During the 1950s he is alleged to have used a loop-based tape echo system.

Also at that time he is alleged to have used a tape loop system to do live overdubbing.

The Les Paulverizer is a guitar-mounted controller for his backing tapes, but details on it have eluded me.

If anyone can get me a phone number for Les Paul I'll be happy to call him and get some details.
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--============_-1174049833==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 12:38:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26032; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 12:37:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 12:37:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 09:40:07 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: First Excursions into Frippertronics In-reply-to: <004b01c292ed$c42d4200$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <004b01c292ed$c42d4200$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "Mark Hamburg" >But can you give anyone other than Fripp credit for really pushing >it in an essentially commercial, touring form? At 7:42 AM -0500 11/23/02, David Beardsley wrote: >Terry Riley. Terry was certainly touring with his delay system a decade before Fripp, but I'd hesitate to call it "commercial." -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 12:38:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26009; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 12:37:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 12:37:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 09:37:10 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: First Excursions into Frippertronics In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:56 PM -0800 11/22/02, Mark Hamburg wrote: >But can you give anyone other than Fripp credit for really pushing it >in an essentially commercial, touring form? The commercial aspect isn't in dispute. Fripp is both a fine guitarist and a master promoter. He has done the most to disseminate the compositional use of delay processing and the idea of musical soundscape, though of course he invented neither. I'm personally more interested in where ideas came from than in where they ended up, so I tend to trot out the akademic/historic stuff whenever the term "Frippertronics" gets bandied about. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 12:38:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26097; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 12:37:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 12:37:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-envelope-info: Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 09:41:21 -0800 Subject: Re: Les Paul was: First Excursions into Frippertronics Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Landman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <2EEkDB.A.rXG.tz739@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I remember seeing Les Paul on the Mike Douglas show, circa 1970, do a "live looping" performance. Les started vamping on the guitar, then with a press of a button on the body of his guitar, would overdub another line. Though I had no interest in looping at the time, I was wowed by his guitar playing and the sound he built up. After his song, I remember him explaining that the device was called the Les Paulverizer, and that it was backstage, controlled remotely from the guitar. So while I agree Fripp was really the one who brought looping into the public eye, Les Paul's appearing on national TV a decade and a half earlier is certainly worthy of note. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 13:32:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29934; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 13:29:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 13:29:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 10:32:10 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: First Excursions into Frippertronics In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:27 AM -0800 11/23/02, Mark Hamburg wrote: >My problem with the various academic progenitors Other than his teaching stint at Mills College 1971-81 Terry Riley has been pretty much free of the academic stigma. In fact, the early work I've cited was done almost entirely outside the academic world and was often in fact anti-academic in its stance. >the academic music community has a tendency toward introversion -- >i.e., the music is mostly heard by other people in the community. It's important to differentiate between the music that comes out of academia and that which arises outside of academia but becomes a topic of academic study years after the fact. In particular, if you look at the electronic and electroacoustic music of the the 1960s you'll find a clear division between the academic (or at least institutional) artists such as the Columbia/Princeton group, the independents such as the San Francisco Tape Center, and a few commercial independent artists such as Walter (now Wendy) Carlos. The Tape Center crowd and their "fellow travellers" on the downtown New York scene and elsewhere is interesting as a a study in how one can survive as an artist without either "going commercial" or becoming locked up in an ivory tower. Many of these composers (Pauline Oliveros, Mort Subotnick, Jim Tenney, Phil Corner, Bob Ashley, David Behrman, et al.) had academic careers, some still ongoing, but were able to parley their standing as "young Turks" into positions of influence within their departments. In many cases they were on the founding faculties of new programs (Pauline at Mills and UCSD, Mort at CalArts) and helped set the tone. While the music of these artists may receive the widespread exposure of former colleagues such as Burt Bacharach or Phil Glass, or later-generation crossover artists such as Fripp or Eno, it's hardly what I'd call "introverted." Some of them are on tour throughout the year and reach large audiences. >This doesn't affect their claim to being first, but it does leave >open the question of who brought the techniques to a wider audience. >Each is valuable in its own right. I think "the question of who brought the techniques to a wider audience" is moot. Fripp, Carlos, Tangerine Dream, and other such essential commercial brought musical ideas and technologies into the mainstream, but in many cases watered it down. I don't think of this as intentional pandering, but rather as these artists having personal tastes more in touch with a potentially larger audience. The real question might be "how large an audience can an artist have without adapting to mass expectations?" And then, "how large an audience does one really want?" -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 13:40:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30364; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 13:37:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 13:37:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <123.1a4004c9.2b1124b2@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 13:36:34 EST Subject: Re: First Excursions into Frippertronics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA30343 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My first experience of Robert's Frippertronic music was "Evening Star." I still absolutely love the title track for it's melodicism. I also really dig the 28 minute "An Index of Metals" for it's shear non-melodic and semi-insustrial textures -- for 1975 it seemed quite daring for a "pop" musician. A Rolling Stone reviewer expressed some puzzlement at how a single LP could contain some of the most beautiful and breath-taking guitar solos he had ever heard on side one only to have some of the most wretched and unlistenable ones (in his opinion) fill up the the other side. As far as his later "soundscapes" stuff goes, I own them all but like "Radiophonics" best for some reason. It seems, at once, slightly "grittier" to me and yet "orchestral" -- like listening to an electronic Igor Stravinsky. It's less "smooth" and "pretty" than some of the others -- and a lot "darker." tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 13:50:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30967; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 13:47:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 13:47:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c29320$e6fbe6a0$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <001601c29176$7164b8f0$79a35e82@audiows> Subject: Re: mp3.com OT? (was: Re: Starscapes) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 13:48:24 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Why don't you set up a page at mp3.com > > I'd love to listen to Mark & other loopers on mp3.com, but I always get > suspicious when I'm asked to give my email address at that site. What's up > with that? Is there any increase in spam as a result? > > When directed to mp3.com, I haven't continued the investigation. Am I being > overly skeptical? Anything I should beware of? > > I'm on a 28.8 modem, btw. I've got some nice music from Stuart, etc, from > non-mp3.com sites.... > > Thanks, and sorry for the mundane question...here it is 2002 - probably hard > to imagine someone new to mp3 stuff! > > David A. There's weekly messages from mp3.com and some from their "associates". I haven't identified more than that. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 13:59:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31611; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 13:56:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 13:56:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c29323$a3214440$c7a45e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: Subject: Re: Leviticus demo (New Repeater Jam) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 11:07:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Carbon composite body violin - whoa! Foxy material. Sort of similar to wood for feel (heft) and sound?? I know they make flutes of it, too. (OT:) I have a really nice bicycle, with frame and fork of carbon. It's tough, strong (and lightweight). I have it set up as a fixed gear, and, unfortunately, dropped the chain on the chainstay a couple of times while in motion. It chewed some ugly gashes, looking much like I'd done it with a lil' chain saw! I contacted the frame's maker, and he wasn't really worried about it failing...it can take a lot of abuse, evidently. David A. > > I was blowing into a section of metal cylinder wind chime yesterday, a > > la > > pan pipe, noting that it was actually kind of a percussion instrument > > in its > > normal tinkliness hanging in the wind with its companions and > > striker/player...:-) > > Cool :) I love experimenting with instruments and objects too. I think > I'm the only violinist who bashes the hell out of his violin to get > percussion sounds.... The carbon composite body means that I > theoretically wont damage the violin, but the looks that I get from > other violinists are....er.... one of shock :) > > -- > Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 14:09:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01567; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:08:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:08:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:08:54 -0500 Subject: First Excursions into Electronics From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Decloaking briefly to interject my .02... Between the Academy/fringe academy and rock-originated practitioners of EM, there's a tiny gap occupied pretty much by one person: Tod Dockstader. He wasn't musically trained (and thus shunned by Columbia/Princeton, etc.), but he worked in full knowledge of the electronic/concrete music being done at the time. Call him a folk artist, I guess, but his albums from 1958-1966 blow away most of what came out of universities or anywhere else, technically as well as artistically. Check out the CDs on the Staarkland label... David Lee Myers http://www.pulsewidth.com on 11/23/02 1:32 PM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: > In particular, if you > look at the electronic and electroacoustic music of the the 1960s > you'll find a clear division between the academic (or at least > institutional) artists such as the Columbia/Princeton group, the > independents such as the San Francisco Tape Center, and a few > commercial independent artists such as Walter (now Wendy) Carlos. > > The Tape Center crowd and their "fellow travellers" on the downtown > New York scene and elsewhere is interesting as a a study in how one > can survive as an artist without either "going commercial" or > becoming locked up in an ivory tower. Many of these composers > (Pauline Oliveros, Mort Subotnick, Jim Tenney, Phil Corner, Bob > Ashley, David Behrman, et al.) had academic careers, some still > ongoing, but were able to parley their standing as "young Turks" into > positions of influence within their departments. In many cases they > were on the founding faculties of new programs (Pauline at Mills and > UCSD, Mort at CalArts) and helped set the tone. > > While the music of these artists may receive the widespread exposure > of former colleagues such as Burt Bacharach or Phil Glass, or > later-generation crossover artists such as Fripp or Eno, it's hardly > what I'd call "introverted." Some of them are on tour throughout the > year and reach large audiences. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 14:16:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02109; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:16:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:16:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005c01c29326$61019850$c7a45e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: <001601c29176$7164b8f0$79a35e82@audiows> <002901c29320$e6fbe6a0$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Subject: Re: mp3.com OT? (was: Re: Starscapes) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 11:27:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scott M2 volunteered: > There's weekly messages from mp3.com and some from their "associates". > I haven't identified more than that. To avoid giving giving one's "main" email address out, I've heard a good technique might be to open another email account on Hotmail, and use that address...but, then when you download mp3's, would you need to use that Hotmail account at that time? David A. > > I'd love to listen to Mark & other loopers on mp3.com, but I always get > > suspicious when I'm asked to give my email address at that site. What's up > > with that? Is there any increase in spam as a result? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 14:22:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02454; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:21:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:21:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 11:21:58 -0800 Subject: Re: Won't Get Gated Again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200211231909.OAA01672@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Whoops--I meant "Who Are You", not "Won't Get Fooled Again". TH On Saturday, November 23, 2002, at 11:09 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > http://members.madasafish.com/~r_rowley/page3.html > > A great look at how some mundane gear (mandolin repeat on a Lowrey > organ?!) can be used to create interesting sounds. Also of note, the > guitar synth (!) intro to Won't Get Fooled Again. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 14:55:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03912; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:53:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:53:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 11:40:23 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: First Excursions into Electronics In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:08 PM -0500 11/23/02, David Myers wrote: >Decloaking briefly to interject my .02... Between the Academy/fringe >academy and rock-originated practitioners of EM, there's a tiny gap occupied >pretty much by one person: Tod Dockstader. He wasn't musically trained (and >thus shunned by Columbia/Princeton, etc.), but he worked in full knowledge >of the electronic/concrete music being done at the time. Call him a folk >artist, I guess, but his albums from 1958-1966 blow away most of what came >out of universities or anywhere else, technically as well as artistically. >Check out the CDs on the Staarkland label... Dockstader's LP on Folkways was one of my early EM listening experiences. It's good to know he's available on CD. BTW - Tom Steenland of Starkland will be a panelist on a surround sound session I'm organizing for December 13 in Beverly Hills. He'll be talking about the Immersion DVD-Audio disc. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 15:10:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06265; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 15:09:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 15:09:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <135.180558a5.2b113a03@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 15:07:31 EST Subject: [looper's] RE: First Excursions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA06244 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear All, In a message dated 11/23/02 9:37:49 AM, zvonar@zvonar.com writes: >Fripp is both a fine guitarist and a master promoter. He has done the >most to disseminate the compositional use of delay processing and the >idea of musical soundscape, though of course he invented neither. > >I'm personally more interested in where ideas came from than in where >they ended up, so I tend to trot out the akademic/historic stuff >whenever the term "Frippertronics" gets bandied about. I don't think even Señores Fripp and Eno would ever claim to have been the first to use a tape loop delay -- nor likely even claim to be the best at it. But the proof of anything ultimately IS in the music itself. After it's all said and done and sorted out in a couple of hundred years it won't matter who was the first "looper." Just who's music is still compelling, interesting and worth listening to. Does anybody even know the person who first invented and played a violin? Was their music "the best there ever was" on that particular instrument -- I doubt it. We probably still haven't heard all there is to do with "looping" in music yet. I believe it's future "golden age" (if it ever enjoys one) is still definitely in the future. We're still playing around in "nursery school" for the most part in regards to looping. Even the tools are changing and developing to a very great degree -- from mere delay devices to audio "Cuisinarts" capable of not only delay but also rearranging and slicing and dicing sound in new, spontaneous and creative ways. Who knows where it will all go? Who knows if they even recall any of this in 200 years time. Will the names Paul, Fripp, Eno, Reich and Riley still be familiar then? Maybe, maybe not. I actually rather doubt it. They will likely all be forgotten except perhaps in academic circles -- somebody will know who was responsible for the first "loop" and who did the first few decades of early experiments but will anybody else really care? God knows. OTOH, I do not at all mean to say that only music that's remembered 200 years from now is valid or good music. Heck, I enjoy what I do and don't anticipate being known or remembered any further than a very few of you in this little web community and a small circle of of other obscure west coast composer/musician friends. Ultimately, both ways of looking at it are pretty darn narrow . Trying to find and verify the "firsts" for historical purposes is really only useful for just that -- historical purposes. Trying to figure out what will still be appreciated when we're all dust, bones and a few minor footnotes (if we are really that lucky) requires all too much in the way of augury. Enjoy and create what you will while you can. This is the only real validity of music -- or any artform for that matter. All else is pure vanity. There should be no embarrassment or shame in NOT being being an "innovator" or "the first" or even regarded as "the best" or the "most popular" if you really like what you do. Heck, even if you are the ONLY one who likes what you do -- that should be enough (though that can surely be very hard at times, let me tell you). Others will sort things out "down the line" so-to-speak -- and who knows if they will be "right" in their assessment. Live and play now, goddamnit! Just play! Every day lost is just that -- lost. tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 15:11:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06354; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 15:10:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 15:10:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 12:08:05 -0800 Subject: 16 sec ddl question From: Stan Card To: loopers Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anybody here know anything about this? i got one and now everybody wants one: http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=172170 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 15:12:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06072; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 15:06:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 15:06:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 21:06:20 +0100 Subject: Re: Carbon Fiber (was Leviticus spam) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002101c29323$a3214440$c7a45e82@audiows> Message-Id: <0860527C-FF1F-11D6-9718-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: <6mscrB.A.yeB.c_939@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, November 23, 2002, at 08:07 PM, David Auker wrote: > Carbon composite body violin - whoa! Foxy material. Sort of similar > to > wood for feel (heft) and sound?? Its actually a composite made up of carbon and wood fibres, so it has the strength and special acoustic properties of carbon, but also has the acoustic properties of wood. The actual recipe is a secret, but I have not played another electric violin quite like the D&H models (http://www.design-harmonie.com). Check out their upright bass to - Under 6kgs, and can be played with a strap.... I've tried a few fully carbon-fibre electric violins from different manufacturers, and they sounded just a bit dead. It might have had something to do with the pickups, I don't know. One electric violin that I would love to have a look at is Meatleg's concoctions (http://www.meatleg.com/). They are made out of solid metal and are reputedly indistructable. Alas, none exist on this side of the water.... -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 16:33:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11322; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 16:31:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 16:31:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 13:31:50 -0800 Subject: OT: MIDI foot controllers From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One of the things I like about the Line6 floor modellers is that they have a fairly convenient interface for getting to 4 presets plus bypass. Click any button. If it isn't active, it switches to that preset. If it is active, it goes to bypass. This avoids consuming space with a separate switch for bypass. Does anyone know of any MIDI foot controllers that would let me do something similar with my rack gear? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 16:57:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12708; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 16:56:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 16:56:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: mp3.com OT? (was: Re: Starscapes) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 22:59:42 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <002901c29320$e6fbe6a0$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> X-Sender: 520030663132-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I always get suspicious when > I'm asked to give my email address you don't have to give them your real email address. -mpe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 18:24:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19674; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:22:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:22:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021123232250.88423.qmail@web80106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 15:22:50 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: OT: MIDI foot controllers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1384288714-1038093770=:88041" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1384288714-1038093770=:88041 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii not really sure what you're asking... -jimfunction SetDomain(d) { document.domain = d; } --0-1384288714-1038093770=:88041 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

not really sure what you're asking...

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--0-1384288714-1038093770=:88041-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 18:56:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21208; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:55:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:55:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 15:56:16 -0800 Subject: Re: First Excursions into Frippertronics Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200211231909.OAA01672@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <2781C70C-FF3F-11D6-BEA6-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, November 23, 2002, at 11:09 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > I think "the question of who brought the techniques to a wider > audience" is moot. Fripp, Carlos, Tangerine Dream, and other such > essential commercial brought musical ideas and technologies into the > mainstream, but in many cases watered it down. I don't think of this > as intentional pandering, but rather as these artists having personal > tastes more in touch with a potentially larger audience. One person's "watering down" is another person's "beefing up". Some people view Led Zeppelin as "watered down" blues and some people hear "turbo-charged". I love Riley's stuff, but Fripp's much higher profile insured that he'll always be the one associated with real-time looping in the public's eye (such as this hypothetical, looping-aware "public" of obscure music fans might be). Who started doing something first is really only of academic interest. Someone usually comes along a bit later and does the same thing, or something very similar, but bursts into the public consciousness. I've seen footage of Steve Hackett doing two-handed tapping from a Genesis concert in 1971, but the answer to "Who popularized two-handed tapping technique on the electric guitar?" is "Eddie Van Halen", despite Hackett, Harvey Mandel, Steve Lynch and a number of other people (including I believe, Fripp) who were documented as using the technique before Van Halen. If I found out that Sherman Stewart (made-up person) was doing exactly what Terry Riley was doing, ten years earlier, it doesn't diminish anything on (for example) "Rainbow in Curved Air" for me. There's so much good stuff out there, it's more important to find out and listen to it without fixating on how the file it away in the library. TH > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 19:39:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24028; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 19:31:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 19:31:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 16:25:03 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: First Excursions into Frippertronics In-reply-to: <2781C70C-FF3F-11D6-BEA6-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <2781C70C-FF3F-11D6-BEA6-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:56 PM -0800 11/23/02, Travis Hartnett wrote: >One person's "watering down" is another person's "beefing up". Some >people view Led Zeppelin as "watered down" blues and some people >hear "turbo-charged". I view it as kitsch. >Who started doing something first is really only of academic >interest ... There's so much good stuff out there, it's more >important to find out and listen to it without fixating on how the >file it away in the library. File it away? Hardly! These artists are still gigging, and I think it's important that they be recognized both for their ongoing work and for their earlier contributions. Too often the originators (and often the strongest practitioners) of a musical genre are forgotten while a new generation of less original interpreters cashes in. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 19:50:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24700; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 19:47:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 19:47:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021124004740.41852.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 16:47:40 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Les Paul To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200211231909.OAA01673@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> He also uses it for recording parts while playing live. Back in the late 70's, a documentary called Les Paul: The Wizard Of Waukesha was made. In it, there's a bit where Les demonstrates it in concert. He plays a guitar lick, then has the Les Paulverizer repeat, while he overdubs a bass line, then a melody part, and then jokingly says "I can even do drums", then starts slapping his guitar strings for a rhythmic effect. After a bit, he laughs, says "I'm only foolin'", and cues his drummer to come in with the loop he's created and Les starts soloing over it. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus – Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 20:05:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26688; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 20:04:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 20:04:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 17:07:22 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Les Paul In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:41 AM -0800 11/23/02, Mark Landman wrote: >I remember seeing Les Paul on the Mike Douglas show, circa 1970, do >a "live looping" performance. > >Les started vamping on the guitar, then with a press of a button on >the body of his guitar, would overdub another line. Though I had no >interest in looping at the time, I was wowed by his guitar playing >and the sound he built up. > >After his song, I remember him explaining that the device was called >the Les Paulverizer, and that it was backstage, controlled remotely >from the guitar. At 4:47 PM -0800 11/23/02, Chris Richards wrote: >He also uses it for recording parts while playing live...He plays a >guitar lick, then has the Les Paulverizer repeat, while he overdubs >a bass line, then a melody part, and ... After a bit, he laughs, >says "I'm only foolin'" And so myths are born... I have it from a reliable source that Les Paul's "Paulverizer" was nothing more than a Nakamichi cassette deck controlled by a Play/Pause button mounted on the guitar. All the playback material had been recorded in advance, so when he'd demonstrate the "live" overdubbing he'd perform the passage that he'd already recorded in advance, play back the tape and play a new part along with it, and so on. He was pretty slick about it so most people never caught on, but there was one performance where he sang along with the guitar parts and when he played it back it was Bing Crosby's voice! -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 20:24:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27544; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 20:24:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 20:24:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: LinkTomlin@aol.com Message-ID: <10f.1a85113a.2b11842f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 20:23:59 EST Subject: Re: Les Paul To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_10f.1a85113a.2b11842f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows UK sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_10f.1a85113a.2b11842f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Damn! Was there a Sinatra version available!!?? > He was pretty slick about it so most people never caught on, but > there was one performance where he sang along with the guitar parts > and when he played it back it was Bing Crosby's voice! --part1_10f.1a85113a.2b11842f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Damn! Was there a Sinatra version available!!??

He was pretty slick about it so most people never caught on, but
there was one performance where he sang along with the guitar parts
and when he played it back it was Bing Crosby's voice!


 --part1_10f.1a85113a.2b11842f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 20:53:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28738; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 20:52:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 20:52:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Les Paul Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 19:52:14 -0600 Message-ID: <018101c2935c$1cbd5680$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw Les Paul in January of this year in NY and for someone who is in their late 80's, he is surprisingly sharp minded and still plays very well! Steve -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 7:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Les Paul At 9:41 AM -0800 11/23/02, Mark Landman wrote: >I remember seeing Les Paul on the Mike Douglas show, circa 1970, do >a "live looping" performance. > >Les started vamping on the guitar, then with a press of a button on >the body of his guitar, would overdub another line. Though I had no >interest in looping at the time, I was wowed by his guitar playing >and the sound he built up. > >After his song, I remember him explaining that the device was called >the Les Paulverizer, and that it was backstage, controlled remotely >from the guitar. At 4:47 PM -0800 11/23/02, Chris Richards wrote: >He also uses it for recording parts while playing live...He plays a >guitar lick, then has the Les Paulverizer repeat, while he overdubs >a bass line, then a melody part, and ... After a bit, he laughs, >says "I'm only foolin'" And so myths are born... I have it from a reliable source that Les Paul's "Paulverizer" was nothing more than a Nakamichi cassette deck controlled by a Play/Pause button mounted on the guitar. All the playback material had been recorded in advance, so when he'd demonstrate the "live" overdubbing he'd perform the passage that he'd already recorded in advance, play back the tape and play a new part along with it, and so on. He was pretty slick about it so most people never caught on, but there was one performance where he sang along with the guitar parts and when he played it back it was Bing Crosby's voice! -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 21:04:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30484; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 21:04:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 21:04:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 19:56:08 -0600 Subject: WTB: Digitech 7.6 Time Machine From: adam To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200211221502.KAA29106@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Loopers, I'm interested in buying a Digitech RDS 7.6 Time Machine (cosmetics not important but functionality is!). Interested sellers please contact me privately... Thanks Adam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 21:22:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31273; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 21:20:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 21:20:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021123171304.03fa6aa8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:22:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Les Paul In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <04XijC.A.joH.UdD49@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:07 PM 11/23/2002, Richard Zvonar wrote: >And so myths are born... > >I have it from a reliable source that Les Paul's "Paulverizer" was nothing >more than a Nakamichi cassette deck controlled by a Play/Pause button >mounted on the guitar. All the playback material had been recorded in >advance, so when he'd demonstrate the "live" overdubbing he'd perform the >passage that he'd already recorded in advance, play back the tape and play >a new part along with it, and so on. He was pretty slick about it so most >people never caught on, but there was one performance where he sang along >with the guitar parts and when he played it back it was Bing Crosby's voice! That's funny. I also saw a story from Les Paul where in his radio programs of the early 50's the sound effect tricks supposedly created by his invention called the "Les Paulverizer" was in fact a hoax and there was no such device. But then when he had to go on tour a few years later, he really did need to invent something to pull it off. I haven't seen anything that really described what that "Les Paulverizer" he invented actually was. I was poking around looking for more info on Les Paul since this came up. He gets credited with all sorts of inventions that he didn't invent. I think some of that is caused from others who are either clueless or exaggerating for their own reasons, but some of it seems to source from Paul himself. It's very difficult to distinguish between what is real, what is based in fact but exaggerated to various degrees, and what is complete nonsense. He's certainly a great and legendary musician, and was obviously fascinated with some technologies for music creation and recording long before a lot of folks picked up on them. And he probably did innovate some things with recording technology that hadn't been done before. He comes across as a nice old fellow with a lot of great stories to tell, and he's good at telling them. I found a nice recorded interview here: http://smithsonianassociates.org/programs/paul/paul.htm But some of the stories sound a little bit fishy. It's always a good story and fun to listen to, but there are rarely any dates, the other people involved aren't around anymore, and when you see the same story elsewhere, the details seem to change each time. What's real and what's not? Probably nobody will ever know, although I guess it doesn't cause much harm to enjoy the mythology just for the entertainment of it. He's very entertaining to listen to. He seems to come from an old-school show business ideal of leading the audience on to believe what they want to believe for the purpose of entertainment. His audience seems to happily go along with it. Nobody has to know what really goes on behind the curtain. For example, in looking around I saw that he either: - invented the electric guitar - invented the electric solidbody guitar - had the complete idea of the electric solidbody and convinced the clueless Gibson company to make it - had a sketchy idea of it that Gibson built upon without much conviction and to their surprise were very successful - had a sketchy idea of it that Gibson ignored because they were already making one, but then the asked him to endorse it so his huge popularity of the time could get their sales going. They let him claim to be the inventor since it helped the sales pitch. From when I worked at Gibson, the latter seems to be closer to the truth as I understood from others there. There seemed to be an attitude that Les was a nice old fellow who had done some good for the company, and therefore should be treated well and shown respect, but there was also an attitude that it sure would be nice if they didn't have to pay him royalties for his "invention" anymore. I remember one key r&d guy who apparently had to deal with him a lot as saying, "according to Les Paul, he invented everything." So was he looping or not? It would be interesting to ask him directly about it. At least you would get a good story. It seems possible to me that he did try out those ideas at some time, since it seems he really did experiment with tape recording a lot and was using the basic tape delay principles. It also seems entirely possible that he was not looping at all, but gave the impression that he was because that was more entertaining. From the audience's perspective that would still be looping, wouldn't it? They would believe it was looping, so that would have been effectively popularizing the concept, even if he was fooling them. Certainly among an older pre-rock-n-roll generation I've heard much mention of the Les Paulverizer when the idea of looping is brought up. Since Les Paul's popularity faded rapidly as rock became popular, that could certainly explain the disconnect since "younger" people don't know who he is. But even if his looping was "trickery", a lot of people today use that same trick of triggering prerecorded backing samples in real-time to play along with and manipulate as part of what they call "looping." So it's still a pretty innovative trick. Or to think of it another way, if what he actually did was not a pioneering use of "looping", then it was a pioneering and popularizing use of "sampling". Either way, he gets credit with something. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 22:08:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01927; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 22:02:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 22:02:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DE0405D.94107ECC@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:58:37 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Les Paul References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021123171304.03fa6aa8@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's the official "Kim Flint's Once-Per-Month In-Depth and Philosophically Intriguing Post!" :) Kim Flint wrote: > It also seems entirely possible that he was not looping at all, > but gave the impression that he was because that was more entertaining. > From the audience's perspective that would still be looping, wouldn't it? > They would believe it was looping, so that would have been effectively > popularizing the concept, even if he was fooling them. This is such an interesting thing to think about, in light of the recent thread on whether looping is boring to watch - the idea that someone would pretend to be doing this specifically BECAUSE it's an engaging thing for the audience to be watching. On a Paul-related note, I saw Jon Brion (LA area producer, session musician, and all-around jaw-dropping talent) a couple of months ago at his weekly showcase at a club called Largo. He did a lot of live looping in his show, with both a Repeater and an EDP. One of his patented tricks is having the audience make a request, which he then pulls off strictly from memory, and he closed his set with an EDP and guitar piece which he announced as a tribute to Les Paul. He played the audience request (a George Harrison tune) in Les' guitar style, overdubbing numerous layers with the EDP and then playing over the loops. It was evidently an homage to the looping which Les may or may not have actually been doing way back when... Insert witty and knowing end-of-post comment here, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 22:15:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02525; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 22:14:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 22:14:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-envelope-info: Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 19:17:59 -0800 Subject: Re: Les Paul Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Landman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021123171304.03fa6aa8@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: <55AC11E4-FF5B-11D6-940E-00039375AF3C@sonic.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id WAA02504 Resent-Message-ID: <77JrwB.A.Xn.UQE49@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, November 23, 2002, at 06:22 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > > But even if his looping was "trickery", a lot of people today use that > same trick of triggering prerecorded backing samples in real-time to > play along with and manipulate as part of what they call "looping." So > it's still a pretty innovative trick. Or to think of it another way, if > what he actually did was not a pioneering use of "looping", then it was > a pioneering and popularizing use of "sampling". Either way, he gets > credit with something. > Someone call Les and let him know he invented sampling too! Seriously speaking, Kim makes some important points. And bottom line, the question is always does the result work? Does it move people? That's certainly another barometer how far something will penetrate into our culture. As far as Les goes, I was only about 17 when I saw him and his "Les Paulverizer" on TV, and at the time knew or cared nothing about Les or Looping, but decades later I remember it because the music he did was SO good, whether it was sampling, looping or plain gimmickry… Now if we can just get the Bing Crosby replacement voice technology into Loop V: ) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 22:27:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03220; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 22:26:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 22:26:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021123171304.03fa6aa8@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021123171304.03fa6aa8@loopers-delight.com> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 19:25:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: Les Paul Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -4.7 () IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.21 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: <8mpkpC.A.Oy.gbE49@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:22 PM -0800 11/23/02, Kim Flint wrote: >He comes across as a nice old fellow with a lot of great stories to >tell, and he's good at telling them. A pianist that I'm recording worked with Mary Ford after they broke up, and heard a lot about Paul from her. Evidently he was(is?) a pretty difficult guy to to live and work with, and had a history of taking credit for other people's creative work. Doesn't dim the brilliance of those early records though, jaw-dropping stuff. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 22:27:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03403; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 22:26:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 22:26:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 19:25:48 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Les Paul In-reply-to: <55AC11E4-FF5B-11D6-940E-00039375AF3C@sonic.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1 References: <55AC11E4-FF5B-11D6-940E-00039375AF3C@sonic.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id WAA03382 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:17 PM -0800 11/23/02, Mark Landman wrote: >Someone call Les and let him know he invented sampling too! I think it's pretty clear that sampling was pioneered by the radio sound effects guys. They used to do some amazing things with combinations of real noisemakers and recordings. It was common to have record turntables with more than one tone arm so they could play several tracks as once. >As far as Les goes, I was only about 17 when I saw him and his "Les >Paulverizer" on TV, and at the time knew or cared nothing about Les >or Looping, but decades later I remember it because the music he did >was SO good, whether it was sampling, looping or plain gimmickryŠ My first exposure to overdubbing was a mid-50s Walt Disney program where Peggy Lee recorded both voices in the Siamese cat duet from Lady and the Tramp. Avant garde! >Now if we can just get the Bing Crosby replacement voice technology >into Loop V: ) Slightly OT, but have you heard John Oswald's Plunderphonic version of Crosby's "White Christmas"? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 23 22:47:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04392; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 22:41:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 22:41:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 19:42:12 -0800 Subject: Re: OT: MIDI foot controllers From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021123232250.88423.qmail@web80106.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id WAA04367 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What I¹m looking for is something that can send program change messages, but would spare me the need to have a dedicated bypass footswitch. In code terms, what I want is something that does the following: let current_program := bypass_program_number; when switch n is pressed: if current_program == n then send program change to bypass_program_number; current_program := bypass_program_number else send program change n current_program := n Even nicer is if the foot controller actually lights up something on the pedal for the program when it's active. What I really need is something that would allow a couple groups of 4 or 5 such switches. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 24 00:04:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10411; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 00:02:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 00:02:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <165.1712a360.2b11b745@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 00:01:57 EST Subject: Re: Les Paul (but gettin fuzzier) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_165.1712a360.2b11b745_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_165.1712a360.2b11b745_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/23/02 9:20:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: > It's very difficult to distinguish between what is real, what > is based in fact but exaggerated to various degrees, and what is complete > nonsense. i think this applys to all of life and not just les.....i dont know who to believe most of the time so i just continue to make up my own stories, no one seems to mind!.....i know i dont.....michael --part1_165.1712a360.2b11b745_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/23/02 9:20:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes:


It's very difficult to distinguish between what is real, what
is based in fact but exaggerated to various degrees, and what is complete
nonsense.


i think this applys to all of life and not just les.....i dont know who to believe most of the time so i just continue to make up my own stories, no one seems to mind!.....i know i dont.....michael
 --part1_165.1712a360.2b11b745_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 24 00:53:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12373; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 00:50:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 00:50:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 00:50:57 -0500 Subject: Re: Leviticus demo (New Repeater Jam) From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002101c29323$a3214440$c7a45e82@audiows> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stuart Wyatt wrote... > I think >> I'm the only violinist who bashes the hell out of his violin to get >> percussion sounds.... Think again, my friend. and mine is just a normal wooden one. but resonant as hell, and perfect for a jungle beat... been doin' it ever since I can remember. you're tracks are sounding great, Stuart. glad you're such a vocal fixture here... best, todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 24 03:57:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23125; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 03:51:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 03:51:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 00:49:23 -0800 Subject: Re: Les Paul (but gettin fuzzier) From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <165.1712a360.2b11b745@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3120943763_118705_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3120943763_118705_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ot- but bein a surfmusic looper which i is, les paul is easy compared to dealing w/ the *stupendous* inventions,musical concepts, and general wonderfulness and gift to the world "king of the surf guitar" will impart to anyone who will listen-just ask him and he will expound! i did and boy was i sorrryyyyy(ya know he invented electric guitar strings,'cause acoustic strings dont work on an electric,duh) the list is endless... shtan In a message dated 11/23/02 9:20:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: It's very difficult to distinguish between what is real, what is based in fact but exaggerated to various degrees, and what is complete nonsense. i think this applys to all of life and not just les.....i dont know who to believe most of the time so i just continue to make up my own stories, no one seems to mind!.....i know i dont.....michael --MS_Mac_OE_3120943763_118705_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Les Paul (but gettin fuzzier) ot- but bein a surfmusic looper which i is, les paul is easy compared to de= aling w/ the *stupendous* inventions,musical concepts, and general  won= derfulness and gift to the world <DICKDALE> "king of the surf gui= tar" will impart to anyone who will listen-just ask him and he will exp= ound! i did and boy was i sorrryyyyy(ya know he invented electric guitar str= ings,'cause acoustic strings dont work on an electric,duh) the list is endle= ss...

shtan

In a message dated 11/23/02 9:20:43 PM Eastern S= tandard Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes:


It's very difficult to distinguish betwee= n what is real, what
is based in fact but exaggerated to various degrees, and what is complete <= BR> nonsense.


i think this applys to all of life and not just les.....i dont know who to = believe most of the time so i just continue to make up my own stories, no on= e seems to mind!.....i know i dont.....michael


--MS_Mac_OE_3120943763_118705_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 24 04:07:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA25440; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 04:06:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 04:06:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 10:05:53 +0100 Subject: Re: Leviticus demo (New Repeater Jam) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: <6tYTaB.A.WNG.RaJ49@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> I'm the only violinist who bashes the hell out of his violin to get >>> percussion sounds.... > Think again, my friend. Heh. [removes foot from mouth]. There was actually a time when I thought that I was the only looping violinist in the world.... The internet kind of puts you in your place :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 24 09:36:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17753; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 09:33:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 09:33:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 09:32:15 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: First Excursions into Frippertronics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006401c293c6$493ae780$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <004b01c292ed$c42d4200$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: First Excursions into Frippertronics > From: "Mark Hamburg" > >But can you give anyone other than Fripp credit for really pushing > >it in an essentially commercial, touring form? > > > At 7:42 AM -0500 11/23/02, David Beardsley wrote: > >Terry Riley. > > Terry was certainly touring with his delay system a decade before > Fripp, but I'd hesitate to call it "commercial." What's commercial about Let The Power Fall or No Pussyfooting? * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 24 10:46:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23555; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 10:45:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 10:45:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c293d0$a4195740$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <004b01c292ed$c42d4200$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> <006401c293c6$493ae780$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: First Excursions into Frippertronics Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 10:46:23 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > From: "Mark Hamburg" > > >But can you give anyone other than Fripp credit for really pushing > > >it in an essentially commercial, touring form? > > > > > > At 7:42 AM -0500 11/23/02, David Beardsley wrote: > > >Terry Riley. > > > > Terry was certainly touring with his delay system a decade before > > Fripp, but I'd hesitate to call it "commercial." > > What's commercial about Let The Power Fall or No Pussyfooting? > > * David Beardsley A good point. Fripp & Eno's looping and ambient work was "commercial" because so many people followed them from their earlier rock/pop ventures in Crimson/Roxy. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 24 12:41:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32651; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 12:39:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 12:39:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 12:39:55 -0500 Subject: Re: Leviticus demo (New Repeater Jam) From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 11/24/02 4:05 AM, "Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project)" wrote: >>>> I'm the only violinist who bashes the hell out of his violin to get >>>> percussion sounds.... >> Think again, my friend. > > Heh. [removes foot from mouth]. There was actually a time when I > thought that I was the only looping violinist in the world.... The > internet kind of puts you in your place :) > me too... great, ain't it? continually fresh jumping off points. makes the growin' and the learnin' that much quicker and excitin'... t. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 24 13:06:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03278; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:05:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:05:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: dgoat@quik.com Message-ID: <3DE11273.26FBC45A@quik.com> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 09:54:59 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: UPDATE: Portland, OR loop festival References: <26B62CAB.0D1E10B9.0017F279@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings, Thanks to everyone who has responded to my request for performers! I think there are enough interested parties to fill up far more time than will be allocated, which is great. I'm really looking at a time span from 9:00pm - 1:00am, with performer slots taking about 15 - 40 minutes, and setup times of 15min per. Lots 'o logistics! I am still in process with booking the venue (Jasmine Tree) so I'm probably looking at a date sometime in January. I will be contacting everyone with additional details later today, so hang tight, and once again thanks for all of the interest! D.G. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 24 13:31:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04421; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:27:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:27:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021124182753.42543.qmail@web80110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 10:27:53 -0800 (PST) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: OT: MIDI foot controllers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1917845071-1038162473=:42220" Resent-Message-ID: <2RfMIB.A._EB.qoR49@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1917845071-1038162473=:42220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii function SetDomain(d) { document.domain = d; }well, i know i keep harping on this, but the all access is totally flexible and you not only get lights but you can name your presets so that they appear in the window when active. never have to second-guess which program you're using. mine's still for sale: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=924691659 -jim --0-1917845071-1038162473=:42220 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

well, i know i keep harping on this, but the all access is totally flexible and you not only get lights but you can name your presets so that they appear in the window when active.  never have to second-guess which program you're using. 

mine's still for sale: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=924691659

-jim

--0-1917845071-1038162473=:42220-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 24 13:32:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04604; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:29:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:29:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 10:23:51 -0800 From: Daryl Subject: [looper's] re: 16 sec ddl question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DE11937.63B7BA7B@mhorse.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA8DC@LON-MAIL07> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm so excited to hear that the EH 16-sec is going to, finally, hopefully, almost surely be reissued soon. It's always been my favorite-sounding delay/looper, and seeing Nels Cline a lot recently has reminded me of the possibilities it has. And that reverse! It's my favorite reverse ever...sounds like a forgotten memory come back to haunt, not just a sample turned around. IF they get it right (by not messing with the original) and it's under, hell, $500, I'll be first in line to buy one. Anyone have news more concrete than what's on the harmony-central page? http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=172170 salivating, Daryl Shawn highhorse@mhorse.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 24 13:59:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06447; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:57:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:57:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:58:51 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance @ Zeitgeist 11.30.02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'll be doing video improvisations at the Zeitgeist Gallery in Cambridge, as part of the following event. If you've recovered from the turkey feast (or at least are back in town) drop by for an evening of sound and image. Saturday, 30 November TRANCE/GROOVE NIGHT @ ZEITGEIST: -MONIKA HEIDEMANN SEXTET -MAXWELL'S MYSTERIOUS MOROCCANS MONIKA HEIDEMANN SEXTET Original trancey/torchy compositions by this sultry young chanteuse and her jazz group. Featured vocalist with Raqib Hassan. Monika Heidemann - vocal James Carson-piano/synth Frederick Vigor- Viola Dave Hall- Bass Mark Riordon- Drums Patrick Hay- Guitar MAXWELL'S MYSTERIOUS MOROCCANS! The celebrated return of subconscious' original all-star world/trance/jam band - have an Out Of Cambridge experience ! Dave Maxwell - piano Fred Stubbs - ney, framedrums Sergio Brandao - mandolin Katt Hernandez -violin others tba @ THE ZEITGEIST GALLERY 1353 Cambridge St. Inman Sq. Cambridge 69 Bus from Harvard Gate all shows 8 pm all shows $10 or b/o all ages NEW PHONE: 617.876.6060 http://www.zeitgeist-gallery.org/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 24 13:59:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06072; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:51:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:51:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021124185121.71734.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 10:51:21 -0800 (PST) From: Nyamuziwa Subject: FS: Line 6 Filter Modeller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200211240222.VAA31447@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi gang, I have a Line 6 Filter Modeller with plug in power supply (a must for these units) for sale. $195 plus shipping. No scratches, absolute mint condition. Also I have the expression pedal that I'd throw in for an extra $40. Please reply off-list. Stephen __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus – Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 24 14:00:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06471; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:57:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:57:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:59:35 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance @ Zeitgeist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'll be doing video improvisations at the Zeitgeist Gallery in Cambridge, @ THE ZEITGEIST GALLERY 1353 Cambridge St. Inman Sq. Cambridge 69 Bus from Harvard Gate all shows 8 pm all shows $10 or b/o all ages NEW PHONE: 617.876.6060 http://www.zeitgeist-gallery.org/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 24 14:03:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08335; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 14:02:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 14:02:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 10:41:40 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: [looper's] re: 16 sec ddl question In-reply-to: <3DE11937.63B7BA7B@mhorse.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA8DC@LON-MAIL07> <3DE11937.63B7BA7B@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:23 AM -0800 11/24/02, Daryl wrote: >I'm so excited to hear that the EH 16-sec is going to, finally, >hopefully, almost surely be reissued soon. Don't hold your breath. If you're basing your hopes on some old postings on Harmony Central you should know that as of conversatins with EH at the NAMM show last January there were no immediate plans. Has anyone heard anything different since then? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 24 14:07:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08668; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 14:06:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 14:06:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 11:06:48 -0800 Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: First Excursions into Frippertronics From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006401c293c6$493ae780$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5oSBD.A.WHC.dMS49@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 11/24/02 6:32 AM, David Beardsley at db@biink.com wrote: > What's commercial about Let The Power Fall or No Pussyfooting? Not big time commercial, but playing Tower Records (Let the Power Fall) was at least touching on the mainstream. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 24 14:39:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10883; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 14:38:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 14:38:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 14:38:31 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: First Excursions into Frippertronics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001501c293f1$12234d20$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <004b01c292ed$c42d4200$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" > From: "Mark Hamburg" > >But can you give anyone other than Fripp credit for really pushing > >it in an essentially commercial, touring form? > > At 7:42 AM -0500 11/23/02, David Beardsley wrote: > >Terry Riley. > > Terry was certainly touring with his delay system a decade before > Fripp, but I'd hesitate to call it "commercial." He had a few records out on major labels, specifically in 1969 - A Rinbow in Curved Air (CBS Masterworks). I was only 9 then, but I know classical labels were trying to get crossover hits even in those days. Switched On Bach for example. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 24 14:46:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11387; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 14:45:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 14:45:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 11:46:06 -0800 Subject: OT: Studio cleanout sale From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-x-c-.A.1xC.TxS49@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Selling off some stuff that goes under used. I'm generally shooting for PrePal - 10% fellow looper's discount + shipping but I'll listen to reasonable offers particularly when backed up with evidence that PrePal is off base. 1. Roland VS-880 V-Xpanded + VS8F-1 effects board 8-track all-in-one hard disk recorder. I bought this to replace my old Tascam monster 8-track but then just found that I was doing most of my work direct to 2-track. Unlike some of the cheaper models, this has 4 inputs instead of 2. Prepal says: $532 (for a vanilla VS-880), so $479 + shipping. 2. Line6 FM-4 Filter modeler. Some cool effects depending on how you feel about filters but I've decided that I would rather put the money toward the more conservative MM-4. Prepal says $190, so $171 + shipping though I would also gladly swap for an MM-4 in good condition. 3. 1988 polycarbonate Chapman Stick. No Prepal prices available. Based on what I've seen on eBay, I'd take $900 for it from a fellow looper. SF Bay/Santa Cruz area would be best since it would avoid figuring out what sort of box to put it in. (It does have a fairly solid case and would probably ship well, but it would be easier not to ship it.) 4. If anyone really wants a Yamaha MCS-2 MIDI controller (as used by David Torn in his Painting with Guitar videos), I could probably be persuaded to sell mine. I haven't really thought about a price. All items are in excellent condition and have rarely if ever left my smoke-free home studio. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 24 14:52:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11775; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 14:51:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 14:51:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-envelope-info: Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 11:55:16 -0800 Subject: Re: Oswald's White Xmas, was:Les Paul Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Landman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, November 23, 2002, at 07:25 PM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > > >> Now if we can just get the Bing Crosby replacement voice technology >> into Loop V: ) > > Slightly OT, but have you heard John Oswald's Plunderphonic version of > Crosby's "White Christmas"? > This falls into the category of things I've wanted to hear for a long time and never quite got around to. I used to do a lot of illustration for Mondo 2000 and first heard of John Oswald & Plunderphonics from them. What I never heard was an actual description of what he was specifically doing (the process) or what the resulting music sounded like. I think the Mondoids were mostly enthralled by the idea of subverting commercial music. Want to try and describe Oswald's 'White Christmas"? I'd enjoy hearing about it... Best- Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 24 15:36:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15183; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 15:33:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 15:33:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bc01c293f8$99b147e0$f664f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200211241907.OAA08795@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: RECOMMENDATIONS for a good Midi filter/patch bay device? Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 12:32:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm having the toughest time getting my YAMAHA WX5 wind controller to trigger my Electrix REPEATER in conjunction with my BEHRINGER Midi Foot Controller. Every time I have tried it live, the REPEATER crashes and needs to be rebooted..............having such a short rack depth it is really difficult to reach around and through my SKB case to reset it........... so I don't. I'm still not sure but it appears that the REPEATER's processor is overwhelmed with to many CC messages. My question to all is: Do you have any recommendations for one of two things. 1) a good, but hopefully not too expensive midi filter/patch bay box or 2) a device that can let me switch between two midi inputs (NOT a merge box which does not work). thanks, On the Horns of a Dillema, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 24 15:36:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15291; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 15:33:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 15:33:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021124203349.23134.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 12:33:49 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: OT Dick Dale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200211241907.OAA08795@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com < "king of the surf guitar" will impart to anyone who will listen-just ask him and he will expound! i did and boy was i sorrryyyyy(ya know he invented electric guitar strings,'cause acoustic strings dont work on an electric,duh) the list is endless...>> Oh yeah, I've read quite a few articles on Dick Dale where he talks about everything "he" did. Like helping Fender develop the Showman amplifiers, for instance. He did a roundtable discussion in Guitar Player with a bunch of younger guitarists, one of the players from Los Straitjackets, the guitarist from The Mermen, and I've forgotten who else, but it was like five guitarists all being interviewed simutaneously. Anyway, at one point, they were asked what the best surf guitar album was. You know what Dick's answer was? "Any of my last three albums, because they're the best I've ever done". Gee, how modest of you, Dick! Great musician, but it seems to me like he's got a bit of an ego there. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus – Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 24 16:08:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19283; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 16:07:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 16:07:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:10:39 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: [looper's] RE: First Excursions into Frippertronics In-reply-to: <001501c293f1$12234d20$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <004b01c292ed$c42d4200$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> <001501c293f1$12234d20$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: <-OB8tC.A.MtE.a-T49@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:38 PM -0500 11/24/02, David Beardsley wrote: >[Terry Riley] had a few records out on major labels, specifically in >1969 - A Rinbow in Curved Air (CBS Masterworks). I was only 9 then, >but I know classical labels were trying to get crossover hits even >in those days. Switched On Bach for example. Terry even did a collaboration with John Cale. I doubt Terry ever saw much money out of the recordings, but he seems to have had a fairly consistent following among new music fans. He was certainly a key figure in influencing what was to become New Age music, and he has had solid connections on the classical new music scene for decades. His relationship with Kronos Quartet has helped there, and he gets regular commissions for large ensemble works while maintaining a solo performing schedule. Check out his Web site: http://www.terryriley.com/ his touring schedule: http://www.terryriley.com/schedule.htm and particularly his response to the current political climate: http://www.terryriley.com/images/patriot.jpg -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 24 16:08:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19259; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 16:07:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 16:07:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:02:10 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Oswald's White Xmas, was:Les Paul In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: <8tK7YD.A.1sE.Z-T49@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:55 AM -0800 11/24/02, Mark Landman wrote: >[Plunderphonic] falls into the category of things I've wanted to >hear for a long time and never quite got around to. It's available: http://www.negativland.com/nmol/seeland.html >I used to do a lot of illustration for Mondo 2000 What became of M2000? >Want to try and describe Oswald's 'White Christmas"? I'd enjoy >hearing about it... At first it seems a fairly simple transformation of the original recording - the pitch wanders erratically all over the place, as if the turntable were about to expire (it gives new meaning to the "groaner" epithet sometimes applied to Bing and his emulators). Then the backup singers come it behind him, and they're dead on pitch while Crosby's voice continues to wander. Quite a clever hack. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 24 16:33:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21190; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 16:32:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 16:32:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 22:32:17 +0100 Subject: Re: RECOMMENDATIONS for a good Midi filter/patch bay device? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <00bc01c293f8$99b147e0$f664f93f@global> Message-Id: <34B6FAD6-FFF4-11D6-8976-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, November 24, 2002, at 09:32 PM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > 1) a good, but hopefully not too expensive midi filter/patch bay box > 2) a device that can let me switch between two midi inputs (NOT a > merge box > which does not work). In a state of money madness, I almost purchased a Kenton Control Freak (http://www.kentonuk.com) a while back. The Studio Edition was about $500 over here, but they have smaller 'Live' and 'Original' versions. It basically allows you to control and filter everything to do with Midi. I stopped reading the specs after realising that I would die with hunger would I have continued reading (I was so close to purchasing it, using all of my savings and my left kidney).... The assignable faders, the internal patch/filters are cool... and I am almost certain that you can snapshot the settings and trigger them via an external pedal board.... I might be wrong, and in fact, this is not what you are looking for, but check it out.... :) -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 24 17:01:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23931; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 17:00:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 17:00:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-envelope-info: Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 14:04:01 -0800 Subject: Re: Mondo 2000; was Oswald's White Xmas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Landman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, November 24, 2002, at 01:02 PM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 11:55 AM -0800 11/24/02, Mark Landman wrote: > >> [Plunderphonic] falls into the category of things I've wanted to hear >> for a long time and never quite got around to. > > It's available: > > http://www.negativland.com/nmol/seeland.html Thanks, I'll check it out... > >> I used to do a lot of illustration for Mondo 2000 > > What became of M2000? A big ugly implosion would be the best description, squabbles and divisions between key players, poor business practices, some highly suspect characters brought in to replace some of the original talent. It's a shame because as silly as M2 could be, they really had something interesting happening for awhile. Vaguely Loop oriented content: My personal favorite Mondo illustration was done for Pamela Z.'s interview w/ Brian Eno, which featured Eno converted to an immense ancient statue, half buried in the desert. An "Enomandias" kinda thing... > At first it seems a fairly simple transformation of the original > recording - the pitch wanders erratically all over the place, as if > the turntable were about to expire (it gives new meaning to the > "groaner" epithet sometimes applied to Bing and his emulators). Then > the backup singers come it behind him, and they're dead on pitch while > Crosby's voice continues to wander. Quite a clever hack. Sounds interesting, I'm curious how he'd separate the voice from the backing singers, perhaps the original recording was stereo and allowed him to use phase tricks to isolate components? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 24 17:12:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24758; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 17:11:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 17:11:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <149.345daea.2b12a88b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 17:11:23 EST Subject: Re: Oswald's White Xmas, was:Les Paul To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 
a day or two ago, npr did a small piece on "white christmas" the jist of 
which was that the tune was rather dark, an interesting view.....you can 
probably find a transcript at npr.org or whatever their address 
is.....michael

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Hey mark;

I may have spoken with you about the stick already .  Do you have pics of 
the unit?

I've noticed my incoming email have been getting misrouted by the new MSN 
filters ( esp with attachments) so feel free to mail me at work

jwinger@krollontrack.com






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Selling off some stuff that goes under used. I'm generally shooting for
PrePal - 10% fellow looper's discount + shipping but I'll listen to
reasonable offers particularly when backed up with evidence that PrePal is
off base.


1. Roland VS-880 V-Xpanded + VS8F-1 effects board 8-track all-in-one hard
disk recorder. I bought this to replace my old Tascam monster 8-track but
then just found that I was doing most of my work direct to 2-track. Unlike
some of the cheaper models, this has 4 inputs instead of 2.

Prepal says: $532 (for a vanilla VS-880), so $479 + shipping.


2. Line6 FM-4 Filter modeler. Some cool effects depending on how you feel
about filters but I've decided that I would rather put the money toward the
more conservative MM-4.

Prepal says $190, so $171 + shipping though I would also gladly swap for an
MM-4 in good condition.


3. 1988 polycarbonate Chapman Stick. No Prepal prices available. Based on
what I've seen on eBay, I'd take $900 for it from a fellow looper. SF
Bay/Santa Cruz area would be best since it would avoid figuring out what
sort of box to put it in. (It does have a fairly solid case and would
probably ship well, but it would be easier not to ship it.)


4. If anyone really wants a Yamaha MCS-2 MIDI controller (as used by David
Torn in his Painting with Guitar videos), I could probably be persuaded to
sell mine. I haven't really thought about a price.


All items are in excellent condition and have rarely if ever left my
smoke-free home studio.

Mark


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At  http://plunderphonics.com you can find the Oswald White Xmas track. Yes,
the whole Plunderphonics album is there for free download (both in wav and
mp3). If you have difficulties to find where it is at - click on the second
"n" at the top on start page.

Yours,
Björn Eriksson
www.tapegerm.com


----- Original Message -----
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> At 11:55 AM -0800 11/24/02, Mark Landman wrote:
>
> >[Plunderphonic] falls into the category of things I've wanted to
> >hear for a long time and never quite got around to.
>
> It's available:
>
> http://www.negativland.com/nmol/seeland.html
>
>
> >I used to do a lot of illustration for Mondo 2000
>
> What became of M2000?
>
>
> >Want to try and describe Oswald's 'White Christmas"? I'd enjoy
> >hearing about it...
>
> At first it seems a fairly simple transformation of the original
> recording - the  pitch wanders erratically all over the place, as if
> the turntable were about to expire (it gives new meaning to the
> "groaner" epithet sometimes applied to Bing and his emulators). Then
> the backup singers come it behind him, and they're dead on pitch
> while Crosby's voice continues to wander. Quite a clever hack.
> --
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> Richard Zvonar, PhD
> (818) 788-2202
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>
>

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At 2:04 PM -0800 11/24/02, Mark Landman wrote:

>Sounds interesting, I'm curious how [Oswald would] separate the 
>voice from the backing singers, perhaps the original recording was 
>stereo and allowed him to use phase tricks to isolate components?

I'll never tell...
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I have an Oberheim branded EDP footpedal for sale, in excellent condition,
$80 + shipping in the US. Contact me if you are interested, I thought I'd
put it on the LD list before listing it on eBay.
All the best,

-- 
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Here's the link to that program:
http://discover.npr.org/features/feature.jhtml?wfId=850892

> -----Original Message-----
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> 
> 
a day or two ago, npr did a small piece on "white christmas" 
> the jist of 
> which was that the tune was rather dark, an interesting view.....you can 
> probably find a transcript at npr.org or whatever their address 
> is.....michael
> 
> 

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Hi Emile,

I am from germany and will unfortunately not be able to see the 
performance. But I am curious: what kind of hard- and software do you 
use for your video improvisations?

Greetings from Danilo


Am Sonntag, 24.11.02, um 19:59 Uhr (Europe/Berlin) schrieb Emile 
Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T):

> Hi folks,
>
> I'll be doing video improvisations at the Zeitgeist Gallery in 
> Cambridge,
>
> @ THE ZEITGEIST GALLERY
> 1353 Cambridge St. Inman Sq. Cambridge
> 69 Bus from Harvard Gate
> all shows 8 pm
> all shows $10 or b/o
> all ages
> NEW PHONE: 617.876.6060
>
> http://www.zeitgeist-gallery.org/
>
>
________________________________________________________
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The Peavey PC-1600X will also do the filter & fader
thang. The Midi Solutions Router can be used as a
midi filter.

http://www.midisolutions.com/prodrte.htm

John


--- Stuart Wyatt 
wrote:
> 
> On Sunday, November 24, 2002, at 09:32 PM, Rick
> Walker/Loop.pooL wrote:
> 
> > 1) a good, but hopefully not too expensive midi
> filter/patch bay box
> 
> > 2) a device that can let me switch between two
> midi inputs (NOT a 
> > merge box
> > which does not work).
> 
> In a state of money madness, I almost purchased a
> Kenton Control Freak 
> (http://www.kentonuk.com) a while back.


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At 2:04 AM +0100 11/25/02, Danilo wrote:
>Hi Emile,
>
>I am from germany and will unfortunately not be able to see the 
>performance. But I am curious: what kind of hard- and software do 
>you use for your video improvisations?
>
>Greetings from Danilo
>


Hi Danilo,

The software part is all done at home, After Effects and various 
plug-ins(many of which I wrote for my day job) are the main software 
component, with Media 100 for an NLE and PhotoShop for editing stills.

I use these tools to make an ever-increasing pile of tapes to take to 
gigs. To the gig itself, I bring a WJ-MX30 video mixer, 4 S VHS 
decks, 40- 50 tapes, and a couple of cheap switchers to send the 4 
decks to the mixer's w inputs. I also set up a feedback loop in the 
mixer.

I haven't opted for the live computer solutions, as the ones that are 
really interactive can't do high enough quality for my taste.

You can see some older samples of my imagery at my web site.

-- 

Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at 
http://www.foryourhead.com

"There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the 
world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of 
the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a 
fairy tale"   -- David-Michael Cook

		Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D.
Video Producer			Image Processing Specialist
Video for your HEAD!			Boris FX
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> Don't hold your breath.
> 
> If you're basing your hopes on some old postings on
> Harmony Central 
> you should know that as of conversatins with EH at
> the NAMM show last 
> January there were no immediate plans.
> 
> Has anyone heard anything different since then?
 
Yes! Matta fact I heard the same damn thing but at
summer namm. Grrrr. I gave up on the 16 second delay a
few years after they said its release was imminent.
Anybody have any other favorite EH pedals that have
not been reissued?

FS:
ZVEX Fuzz Factory $175 shipped
Boss HR-2 Harmonist $80 shipped
(you can create little melodies by turning the
interval knobs if you are processing a loop or drone)
paypal
all trades considered

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Speaking of... Jon Wagner and I were talking today about now nice it would
be if we had someone would perform visuals with us at a show.  Anyone in
the SF bay area that would like to do this, or if you know someone, feel
free to fwd this to them.

Mark Sottilaro

"Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" wrote:

> At 2:04 AM +0100 11/25/02, Danilo wrote:
> >Hi Emile,
> >
> >I am from germany and will unfortunately not be able to see the
> >performance. But I am curious: what kind of hard- and software do
> >you use for your video improvisations?
> >
> >Greetings from Danilo
> >
>
> Hi Danilo,
>
> The software part is all done at home, After Effects and various
> plug-ins(many of which I wrote for my day job) are the main software
> component, with Media 100 for an NLE and PhotoShop for editing stills.
>
> I use these tools to make an ever-increasing pile of tapes to take to
> gigs. To the gig itself, I bring a WJ-MX30 video mixer, 4 S VHS
> decks, 40- 50 tapes, and a couple of cheap switchers to send the 4
> decks to the mixer's w inputs. I also set up a feedback loop in the
> mixer.
>
> I haven't opted for the live computer solutions, as the ones that are
> really interactive can't do high enough quality for my taste.
>
> You can see some older samples of my imagery at my web site.
>
> --
>
> Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at
> http://www.foryourhead.com
>
> "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the
> world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of
> the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a
> fairy tale"   -- David-Michael Cook
>
>                 Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D.
> Video Producer                  Image Processing Specialist
> Video for your HEAD!                    Boris FX
> http://www.foryourhead.com              http://www.borisfx.com

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At 11:25 PM -0800 11/24/02, Mark wrote:
>Speaking of... Jon Wagner and I were talking today about now nice it would
>be if we had someone would perform visuals with us at a show.  Anyone in
>the SF bay area that would like to do this, or if you know someone, feel
>free to fwd this to them.

How about Eric Wenger?
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i apologize to this wonderful group for my outburst a
while back. it's definitely not my style.. i was
reacting to a situation that obviously started before
i joined, and i felt i went way overboard. so, sorry
about that. on the good side of the bed: i'm working
on a CD of my stuff in earnest, and i'm getting a
website together, with a friend's help...also, big
news, i'm moving to new york. brooklyn, to be exact. i
want to test the waters there. i know a few people
that i met on a previous trip, and i have an apartment
available (roommates, girls who play in some local
bands)that sounds like a very good situation. so,
hopefully within a few weeks, i'll be settled cozily
in front of a fake electric yule log, chatting with
you, making interesting lOopYgIrL tracks and putting
them on my (new) site. you are all so smart and real
and great.. please stay that way.  
sooooon, my looooovvve-   charlotte

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Would the current "Terry's Commercial Name Recognition
Factor, was:Frippertronics", the "Won't Get Gated
Again" Townshend organ discussion, and Rick's "Change
the Subject Name" threads become hopelessly tangled if
I point out that a gazillion-selling Who hit was named
partly in honor of Riley.

OK, so it's not an example of *Riley's* own work
playing in Peoria, and granted, more people probably
think the title of the song is "Teenage Wasteland",
but it's possible that Riley's profile got a boost
akin to the phenomenon of 70's Rush fans checking out
the works of Ayn Rand because of Neil Peart's lyrics.
Likewise, I know I first heard of Carla Bley because
of the "Fictitious Sports" album she did under Nick
Mason's name.

-t-

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> I doubt Terry ever saw much money out of the
> recordings, but he seems 
> to have had a fairly consistent following among new
> music fans

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I can vouch for the artistic integrity and overall
coolness of Dr. T's video imagery. However, as a
caveat, please be aware that his presentation contains
graphic footage of waves and splashing water. 

It may not be a great idea to fill up on chai or other
liquids from the coffeeshop a few doors down from the
Zeitgeist like I did before the Tom Heasley show...

8^P

-t-

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> I use these tools to make an ever-increasing pile of
> tapes to take to gigs

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I couldn't make it to this: any reviews/anecdotes as
to how it went?

-t-

--- Jeffrey Lomas  wrote:
> The weekend for the Boston Loopfest is November
> 23rd-24th and it will be 
> held at the Zietgiest Gallery in Cambridge, MA

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At 5:59 AM -0800 11/25/02, Tim Nelson wrote:
>I can vouch for the artistic integrity and overall
>coolness of Dr. T's video imagery. However, as a
>caveat, please be aware that his presentation contains
>graphic footage of waves and splashing water.


Busted again-:)

>
>It may not be a great idea to fill up on chai or other
>liquids from the coffeeshop a few doors down from the
>Zeitgeist like I did before the Tom Heasley show...
>
>8^P
>
>-t-
>
>--- "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)"
>>  I use these tools to make an ever-increasing pile of
>>  tapes to take to gigs
>
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-- 

Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at 
http://www.foryourhead.com

"There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the 
world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of 
the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a 
fairy tale"   -- David-Michael Cook

		Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D.
Video Producer			Image Processing Specialist
Video for your HEAD!			Boris FX
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The Faux Charlotte Moorman  wrote:

>also, big
>news, i'm moving to new york. brooklyn, to be exact. i
>want to test the waters there. i know a few people
>that i met on a previous trip, and i have an apartment
>available (roommates, girls who play in some local
>bands)that sounds like a very good situation. so,
>hopefully within a few weeks, i'll be settled cozily
>in front of a fake electric yule log, chatting with
>you, making interesting lOopYgIrL tracks and putting
>them on my (new) site. you are all so smart and real
>and great.. please stay that way.

Moving to New York, great stuff!   It's a fine place.

When you are in New York, you must come to open loop
some Saturday and bring your rig.

      /t
-- 

http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday!
http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar.

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Hey All!

My Looper Construction Kit website is now up!  Please stop by for a visit!

www.greenteasoftware.com

The Looper Construction Kit (LCK) is a set of modules for Symbolic Sound's
Kyma system.  With the LCK, you can build loopers of practically any
description.  Examples in the manual include the Boomerang, DL-4, and
Headrush.  I have more examples on the way including the RC-20 and venerable
Jamman.

You can also construct multi-channel loopers, multi-track loopers, MIDI
controlled and MIDI syncable loopers; pitch-shifting or tempo-shifting
loopers, harmonizing loopers; loopers that grab loops from other loopers
(like the EDP); loop manglers and mutators; infinite sustain loopers,
loopers that loop MIDI and audio, etc.  The manual provides many examples.

I invite you to download LCK manual (free!) and take a look.

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Uh.... OK.  Who?  Is he on this list?  If so, drop me an email off list.

Mark

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> >the SF bay area that would like to do this, or if you know someone, feel
> >free to fwd this to them.
>
> How about Eric Wenger?
> --
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<>

I remember hearing about Plunderphonics back in
the late 80's, around the time that all copies of
one of his albums were to have been destroyed,
reportedly because Micheal Jackson sued over the
cover picture (which depicted the former child
star changing skin colour and gender on the front
cover). Apparently, not all copies were actually
destroyed, as one of the college radio stations
here in Cleveland had a copy which they played
frequently. I remember there was a track that was
made up entirely of Metallica samples...sounded
like a seriously defective CD. 

Then, I heard some of the tracks for the Elektra
promo disc he did. See, for their anniversary
around that time, Elektra had many of their
current talent do covers of songs by their old
talent, and they put out a double CD of this. You
had things like Faster Pussycat doing the Carly
Simon song You're So Vain, and I forget who it
was who did Hello, I Love You, the old Doors
song, and so on. Well, they also commissioned
Oswald to do a Plunderphonic disc mixing the old
and new versions of the songs. The the Carly
Simon/Faster Pussycat track was pretty hilarious,
as was The Doors one. And if memory serves, they
mutated the infamous MC 5 intro line to "KICK OUT
THE JAMS MOTHER
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF..."
with the pitch on the "F" dropping throughout the
bit. 

But the one that I've heard the most of, and
actually the only one I actually own at this
point is Grey Folded, which is a double CD he did
where The Grateful Dead allowed him free access
to their tape vaults and he basically created a
very extended remix of something like a 100
different renditions of Dark Star. Here again, he
did some interesting things, like cutting back
and forth between differents of the band, you
have a 20 something Jerry Garcia trading solos
with his 40 something year old self. In one
section, he actually took a tape, played it back
in the attic of his studio at 4 times the normal
speed, recording at the same speed coming out of
the speakers, thusly creating four times the
normal reverb when it was played back at normal
speed and creating a sort of a perfect sounding
"audience tape" from a soundboard tape. 

When the vocal finally enters, instead of hearing
Jerry Garcia sing "Dark star crashes", we not
only hear
"DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRK"
(I think it says in the liner notes that Oswald
sustained the first syllable for like 2 minutes),
but you also get a chorus of Jerry's (all from
different eras, of course) singing it. 

One of Oswald's techniques is to take a
recording, cut it in half, and lay the sections
on top of each other. THusly, if the entire
recording was originally 5 minutes long, it would
now take you only 2 and a half minutes to hear
the whole thing. What he ended up doing was he
took the entire finished first disc, and cut it
in half, and layed the two sections on top of
each other, then cut THAT in half, laid the two
sections there on top of each, and kept doing
this until he got it down to where you heard the
entire disc in something like 4 seconds. He then
stuck it this somewhere in the middle of the
second disc. 

I happen to think it's really great, though I
really have no idea what anyone who isn't already
into The Dead would think of it. I've been a Dead
fan since 87, so I was already into the group for
a number of years when Grey Folded came out. 

=====
May you never thirst!
The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris

"What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones

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At 12:50 AM -0800 11/25/02, charlotte moorman wrote:
>i apologize to this wonderful group for my outburst a
>while back. it's definitely not my style..

I'm glad you're still here.

When I first joined the list a couple of years ago I almost 
unsubscribed the following day because the bulk of the messages where 
whining complaints about the Repeater being behind schedule. I 
resisted the impulse and I'm glad I stuck it out. I've made a lot of 
new friends and reconnected with others.

>i'm moving to new york. brooklyn, to be exact.

It should be interesting. There are many New Yorkers on the list who 
will no doubt help you connect with the scene. My personal suggestion 
is to check out PASS/Harvestworks and Experimental Intermedia 
Foundation.

>i'll be settled cozily in front of a fake electric yule log

I past years there was a local TV station that played non-stop 
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At 5:47 AM -0800 11/25/02, Tim Nelson wrote:

>I point out that a gazillion-selling Who hit was named
>partly in honor of Riley.

My own interest in Stockhausen was partly kindle by a mention by Pete 
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Mark,

In a message dated 11/25/02 8:32:11 AM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes:

>Uh.... OK.  Who?  Is he on this list?  If so, drop me an email off list.

No, he's not on the list (as far as I know). He's the original inventor 
developer of Kai PowerTools. KPT Bryce, MetaSynth, etc.

I don't know why in partcular Richard would think Eric Wenger would be 
available, but check out : http://www.uisoftware.com/PAGES/index.html 
and you'll see why he'd certainly be interesting to work with.

He may (or may not) be in the bay area. I don't know where the company 
is located. Eric is from France originally. Who knows wgere he resides.

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--- Richard Zvonar  wrote:
> My own interest in Stockhausen was partly kindle by
> a mention by Pete on the second Who album cover,

Yup, and I started listening to ol' Karlheinz after
reading an interview in which Pink Floyd's Rick Wright
cites him as a major influence on 'Ummagumma'.

>just as Zappa turned me on to Varese.

Same here. And how many of us discovered Ligeti and
Penderecki through Stanley Kubrick soundtracks?

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>>BTW, I never noticed any fumbles on the studio
version of Won't Get Fooled Again..where does
this happen? <<

well, this /was/ the multitrack, and there was a great chunk in the middle that I didn't recognise, of townshend arsing about with the keyboards, but what I meant was that I could hear, if I so chose, the bassline, somewhat more distinctly than one might hear it on the finished mix, and entwhistle's fumbles were roughly where one would expect an over-stretched bassist to fumble. but they weren't repaired. and the drums frequently drift out of sync with the gated lowry. it's a lesson in capturing a performance and the hell with perfection, and one that some of today's producers would do well to pay some attention to.

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U&I is located in San Francisco. Here's a bio link
about Mr. Wenger:


-t-

--- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:
> I don't know why in partcular Richard would think
> Eric Wenger would be 
> available, but check out :
> http://www.uisoftware.com/PAGES/index.html 
> and you'll see why he'd certainly be interesting to
> work with.
> 
> He may (or may not) be in the bay area. I don't know
> where the company 
> is located. 

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At 8:29 AM -0800 11/25/02, Mark wrote:
>Uh.... OK.  Who?

Creator of Bryce, MetaSynth, Artmatic, Videodelic.

http://www.uisoftware.com/

>Is he on this list?

No.
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I'm just looking for the info, I don't need an original.
Any owners have a scanner?

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In a state of money madness, I almost purchased a Kenton Control Freak 
(http://www.kentonuk.com) .... The assignable faders, 
the internal patch/filters are cool... and I am almost certain that you 
can snapshot the settings and trigger them via an external pedal 
board....

look, I know I keep banging on about this, but the kenton is just a clone of the peavey. when I bought my pc1600, there was absolutely nothing else on the market; the jl cooper fadermaster was the only remotely comparable product. 
the pc1600 has 16 faders, 16 buttons and either 2 cv's or 1 cv and 2 footswitches. it has 100 nameable memories and 100 scene memories, and each memory can also store a "setup string" which is a series of /any/ midi instructions up to 256 bytes long. it can filter/merge a variety of incoming messages and will respond to pc changes itself if required. it requires no pc to programme and has a learn-mode. it is built like a brick out-house. mine has crashed once in 7 years. I don't work for peavey.
I'm toying with the idea of adapting the pc1600 into a foot-operated configuration (maybe using parts from the rather less impressive fcb1010).

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In a state of money madness, I almost purchased a Kenton =
Control Freak 

(h=
ttp://www.kentonuk.com) .... The assignable faders, 

the internal patch/filters are cool... and I am almost c=
ertain that you 

can snapshot the settings and trigger them via an extern=
al pedal 

board....




look, I know I keep banging on about this, but the kenton=
 is just a clone of the peavey. when I bought my pc1600, there was absolute=
ly nothing else on the market; the jl cooper fadermaster was the only remot=
ely comparable product. 



the pc1600 has 16 faders, 16 buttons and either 2 cv's or=
 1 cv and 2 footswitches. it has 100 nameable memories and 100 scene memori=
es, and each memory can also store a "setup string" which is a se=
ries of /any/ midi instructions up to 256 bytes long. it can filter/merge a=
 variety of incoming messages and will respond to pc changes itself if requ=
ired. it requires no pc to programme and has a learn-mode. it is built like=
 a brick out-house. mine has crashed once in 7 years. I don't work for peav=
ey.



I'm toying with the idea of adapting the pc1600 into a fo=
ot-operated configuration (maybe using parts from the rather less impressiv=
e fcb1010).



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At 8:41 AM -0800 11/25/02, Chris Richards wrote:
>
>I happen to think it's really great, though I
>really have no idea what anyone who isn't already
>into The Dead would think of it. I've been a Dead
>fan since 87, so I was already into the group for
>a number of years when Grey Folded came out.

Not being a Dead fan and only passingly familiar with their music I 
was left with the feeling that I was missing something. It just 
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Nelson" 
> 
> --- Richard Zvonar  wrote:

> >just as Zappa turned me on to Varese.
> 
> Same here. And how many of us discovered Ligeti and
> Penderecki through Stanley Kubrick soundtracks?

I did, but I was only 8 - I saw it when it came out.


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Dennis,

I've just speed-read through the manual, and WOW! :)

If I've read this right, you can have as many looping devices, rigged
in whichever way that you want, triggered and modified by whatever midi
input devices that you want, and the only limitations is the capacity
of the hardware...?????

My god.

I'm speechless......

- Stuart

On Monday, November 25, 2002, at 05:28 PM, Dennis Leas wrote:

> Hey All!
>
> My Looper Construction Kit website is now up!  Please stop by for a 
> visit!
>
> www.greenteasoftware.com
>
> The Looper Construction Kit (LCK) is a set of modules for Symbolic 
> Sound's
> Kyma system.  With the LCK, you can build loopers of practically any
> description.  Examples in the manual include the Boomerang, DL-4, and
> Headrush.  I have more examples on the way including the RC-20 and 
> venerable
> Jamman.
>
> You can also construct multi-channel loopers, multi-track loopers, MIDI
> controlled and MIDI syncable loopers; pitch-shifting or tempo-shifting
> loopers, harmonizing loopers; loopers that grab loops from other 
> loopers
> (like the EDP); loop manglers and mutators; infinite sustain loopers,
> loopers that loop MIDI and audio, etc.  The manual provides many 
> examples.
>
> I invite you to download LCK manual (free!) and take a look.
>
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> -------------------
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This is, hands down, the most helpful group of folks I've met.

It took 15 MIN for someone to respond with manual help.







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I'm not sure if this event actually happened-- I have a feeling it didn't. =
I
was supposed to play it, but then never heard from the organizers. Last tim=
e
I checked the Zeitgeist calendar (about 2 weeks ago), there was something
else scheduled those dates. I don't know if Loopfest's being rescheduled
(hopefully) or what. The contact info for the organizers was
loopme@randomsalt.com


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on 11/25/02 9:18 AM, Tim Nelson at psychle62@yahoo.com wrote:

I couldn't make it to this: any reviews/anecdotes as
to how it went?

-t-

--- Jeffrey Lomas  wrote:
> The weekend for the Boston Loopfest is November
> 23rd-24th and it will be
> held at the Zietgiest Gallery in Cambridge, MA

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I'm not sure if this event actually happened-- I have a feeling it didn't. =
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me I checked the Zeitgeist calendar (about 2 weeks ago), there was something=
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on 11/25/02 9:18 AM, Tim Nelson at psychle62@yahoo.com wrote:




I couldn't make it to this: any reviews/anecdotes as

to how it went?



-t-



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> The weekend for the Boston Loopfest is November

> 23rd-24th and it will be 

> held at the Zietgiest Gallery in Cambridge, MA



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--- Chris Richards  wrote:

> Anyway, the thing I thought was interesting was a
> lot of times, when I heard that "laser beam" tone
> appear, it was actually Trey Gunn, on his touch
> guitar, playing it. At times, it almost sounded
> like dueling Fripp's, with him and Fripp trading
> off lines with that type of tone. 

Kind of off topic, but does anyone know what signal chain Robert Fripp uses to
get that tone? I've always liked that. It sounds like a fuzz box to me, maybe
with an octave.

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>>does anyone know what signal chain Robert Fripp uses to
get that tone? I've always liked that. It sounds like a fuzz box to me, maybe
with an octave.<<


I think it's just shit-loads of gain, though you never hear any buzz or hiss.... the guitar itself is a major factor; you'd never get sustain like that from a stratocaster.... it would have a lot more "character". another thing about fripp's sustained notes is that he seldom applies vibrato. this lends his solos a strange emotionless quality. whereas mr torn will wobble all over the place. probably the same amount of sustain, just used differently.
also, mr fripp uses his tone controls very carefully- it's quite a mellow sound compared to, say, gary moore playing the same sort of guitar through the same amp and on the same pickup. but this would be the famous "skysaw" e-bow-less sound that eno introduced him to, and therefore probably deeply secret. I think fripp has a tiny e-bow built into the palm of his hand, meself. doesn't that sound a bit like him on that "we are all made of stars" tosh by moby melville? anyway, no octaver.

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[looper's] RE: Fripp's guitar sound




>>does anyone know what signal chain Robert Fripp u=
ses to

get that tone? I've always liked that. It sounds like a =
fuzz box to me, maybe

with an octave.<<






I think it's just shit-loads of gain, though you never he=
ar any buzz or hiss.... the guitar itself is a major factor; you'd never ge=
t sustain like that from a stratocaster.... it would have a lot more "=
character". another thing about fripp's sustained notes is that he sel=
dom applies vibrato. this lends his solos a strange emotionless quality. wh=
ereas mr torn will wobble all over the place. probably the same amount of s=
ustain, just used differently.



also, mr fripp uses his tone controls very carefully- it'=
s quite a mellow sound compared to, say, gary moore playing the same sort o=
f guitar through the same amp and on the same pickup. but this would be the=
 famous "skysaw" e-bow-less sound that eno introduced him to, and=
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o the palm of his hand, meself. doesn't that sound a bit like him on that &=
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OT-but here it is from'97-
http://www.guitargeek.com/rigview/396/

> Kind of off topic, but does anyone know what signal chain Robert Fripp uses to
> get that tone? I've always liked that. It sounds like a fuzz box to me, maybe
> with an octave.
> 
> Greg

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I truly thing it's unfair for us to judge what musicians are interesting to
watch.  We're insiders.  I really think you can get a better idea of what
people like by asking a non musician.

Mark Sottilaro

Douglas Baldwin wrote:

> Mark wrote:
> >My wife says, "You've got to have a gimmick or be pretty damn cute."
> > I think she's right.  Maybe I need a gimmick?
>
> I have fond memories of concerts at the Fillmore East where the "look" of
> the band was often irrelevant, dwarfed as they were by the light show behind
> them. Most of my favorite musicians just stand (or sit) and play. The only
> guitarists on my fave-rave all-time much-respect list who deliberately
> inject theater to their performances are Pete Townshend and Steve Vai. Seek
> interaction with the audience on a higher level, and gimmicks aren't
> necessary. IMHO.
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hi,

Frowarding this  for msuic fans!! 8-) Well, I played another gig november 23rd at the runcible spoon in Bloomington,In using regular guitar and gutiar loops done on the fly, so the material is improvised. It was a small turn out but it was a cozy atmosphere, so it went really well.Gear setup was a marshall vtm 30watt combo amp, solid state combo amp (both together in stereo), digitehc rp-50 f/x pedal, boommerang pedalboard,schecter/ibanez guitar with seymour duncan jb pickups. Recorded with roland vs-880, one mic to speaker of combo amp,so kind of mono.

hear an mp3 5 minute clip at : http://www.dtguitar.com/spoonnov23.mp3

this show was fun because I tried some different sounds I never used before.Let me know what you think!!
thanks,
Denis

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Boson Loopfest ran into a scheduling conflict with the venue and needed 
to reschedule for 1/30-1/30.  I'll post line up info by mid-December.

Jeff

Daniel Soltzberg wrote:

> I'm not sure if this event actually happened-- I have a feeling it 
> didn't. I was supposed to play it, but then never heard from the 
> organizers. Last time I checked the Zeitgeist calendar (about 2 weeks 
> ago), there was something else scheduled those dates. I don't know if 
> Loopfest's being rescheduled (hopefully) or what. The contact info for 
> the organizers was   loopme@randomsalt.com
>
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>     I couldn't make it to this: any reviews/anecdotes as
>     to how it went?
>
>     -t-
>
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>     > 23rd-24th and it will be
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Boson Loopfest ran into a scheduling conflict with the venue and needed to
reschedule for 1/30-1/30.  I'll post line up info by mid-December.



Jeff



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    I'm not sure if this event actually happened-- I have a feeling it didn't.
I was supposed to play it, but then never heard from the organizers. Last
time I checked the Zeitgeist calendar (about 2 weeks ago), there was something
else scheduled those dates. I don't know if Loopfest's being rescheduled
(hopefully) or what. The contact info for the organizers was  
loopme@randomsalt.com

  

  

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I couldn't make it to this: any reviews/anecdotes as

 to how it went?

    

 -t-

    

 --- Jeffrey Lomas <jeff.lomas@oasis-open.org> wrote:

 > The weekend for the Boston Loopfest is November

 > 23rd-24th and it will be 

 > held at the Zietgiest Gallery in Cambridge, MA

    

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goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote:

> the pc1600 has 16 faders, 16 buttons and either 2 cv's or 1 cv and 2
> footswitches. it has 100 nameable memories and 100 scene memories, and
> each memory can also store a "setup string" which is a series of /any/
> midi instructions up to 256 bytes long. it can filter/merge a variety
> of incoming messages and will respond to pc changes itself if
> required. it requires no pc to programme and has a learn-mode. it is
> built like a brick out-house. mine has crashed once in 7 years. I
> don't work for peavey.
>
> I'm toying with the idea of adapting the pc1600 into a foot-operated
> configuration (maybe using parts from the rather less impressive
> fcb1010).

Not sure about the pc1600, but with the pc1600x you wouldn't need to
modify it -
you can program it to convert incoming midi notes or program changes to
do whatever the 16 buttons are set up for. So you could use it with any
midi foot controller or pedals.

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goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote:

the pc1600 has 16 faders, 16 buttons
and either 2 cv's or 1 cv and 2 footswitches. it has 100 nameable memories
and 100 scene memories, and each memory can also store a "setup string"
which is a series of /any/ midi instructions up to 256 bytes long. it can
filter/merge a variety of incoming messages and will respond to pc changes
itself if required. it requires no pc to programme and has a learn-mode.
it is built like a brick out-house. mine has crashed once in 7 years. I
don't work for peavey.

I'm toying with the idea of adapting the pc1600 into a
foot-operated configuration (maybe using parts from the rather less impressive
fcb1010).

Not sure about the pc1600, but with the pc1600x you wouldn't need to modify
it -

you can program it to convert incoming midi notes or program changes
to do whatever the 16 buttons are set up for. So you could use it with
any midi foot controller or pedals.

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> I'm toying with the idea of adapting the pc1600 into a foot-operated
configuration (maybe using parts from the rather less impressive fcb1010).
>

As far as I know the peavey1600 device uses audio potentiometer for the
faders.  The FBC1010 uses an optical rotary encoder for the continuous
controller pedals.  These won't be compatible if that's what you're
thinking.  The buttons however are just standard switches in both modules.
Jon

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>
>> I'm toying with the idea of adapting the pc1600 into a foot-operated
>configuration (maybe using parts from the rather less impressive fcb1010).
>>
>
>As far as I know the peavey1600 device uses audio potentiometer for the
>faders.  The FBC1010 uses an optical rotary encoder for the continuous
>controller pedals.  These won't be compatible if that's what you're
>thinking.  The buttons however are just standard switches in both modules.
>Jon
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> If I've read this right, you can have as many looping devices, rigged
> in whichever way that you want, triggered and modified by whatever midi
> input devices that you want, and the only limitations is the capacity
> of the hardware...?????
> 

i was fortunate enough to get to test the beta versions of lck.
what you say is true, and that alone is pretty cool.
but it also can do things no other looper can do (though i haven't tried eventide orville)
and some things that would be very difficult to do with other loopers.

a few quick examples, but check out the manual for deeper explanations:
   fragment loopers allow you to do band-in-a-box type stuff with live input.
   mutators allow you to process the loop iteratively (each repeat is processed again)

kyma is a very powerful tool and the lck expands it capabilities in great loopy fashion.
i regret to say that life has kept me from exploring it's depths, but i can tell already
that great things will come from it's use...

excellent web site, dennis.


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Hey...

Check out: http://www.guitargeek.com

Lots of cool guitar rigs/signal paths there...

Adam

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Lots of cool guitar rigs/signal paths there...



Adam




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 i think his guitar has a fernandez sustainer built
in,no?
l.a
> >>does anyone know what signal chain Robert Fripp
> uses to
> get that tone? I've always liked that. It sounds
> like a fuzz box to me, maybe
> with an octave.<<
> 
> 
> I think it's just shit-loads of gain, though you
> never hear any buzz or hiss.... the guitar itself is
> a major factor; you'd never get sustain like that
> from a stratocaster.... it would have a lot more
> "character". another thing about fripp's sustained
> notes is that he seldom applies vibrato. this lends
> his solos a strange emotionless quality. whereas mr
> torn will wobble all over the place. probably the
> same amount of sustain, just used differently.
> also, mr fripp uses his tone controls very
> carefully- it's quite a mellow sound compared to,
> say, gary moore playing the same sort of guitar
> through the same amp and on the same pickup. but
> this would be the famous "skysaw" e-bow-less sound
> that eno introduced him to, and therefore probably
> deeply secret. I think fripp has a tiny e-bow built
> into the palm of his hand, meself. doesn't that
> sound a bit like him on that "we are all made of
> stars" tosh by moby melville? anyway, no octaver.
> 
> duncan.
> 
> 
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Hi amigos,
I am having a hard day somehow today with my PC.I am
trying to extract CD tracks into software like sound
forge,acid or wavelab which i´ve done in the past and
i don´t see any of my CD hardware listed under write
drive devices.I tried to burn a CD with wavelab and it
doesn´t seem to find  my sony burner either.I´ve
reinstalled the programs and under device manager the
CD drivers seem to be ok.Where the heck have they
gone?is driving me crazy!
strangely music match seems to find them as well as my
CD burner roxio sofware.
sorry for my off-topic
Thanx!
L.a

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I totally agree.  That pitchshift fed back into itself is getting *really* tired, IMO.  I love RF, but I think he's got to loose that effect.

Mark Sottilaro

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> Rather quickly the loop sprang back to life in all it's previous glory, which for me was somewhat like seeing the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain, the music had previously seemed very organic and growing. Now the music momentarily seemed just this like this big sample that owed most of it's sonic luster to the expensive Eventides.

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yeah, he needs to stop playing guitar, too.
and notes have been overplayed as well.
it's been done.
no more notes!

> I totally agree.  That pitchshift fed back into itself is getting *really* tired, IMO.  I love RF, but I think he's got to loose
that effect.
>
> Mark Sottilaro
>
> Mark Landman wrote:
>
> > Rather quickly the loop sprang back to life in all it's previous glory, which for me was somewhat like seeing the Wizard of Oz
behind the curtain, the music had previously seemed very organic and growing. Now the music momentarily seemed just this like this
big sample that owed most of it's sonic luster to the expensive Eventides.
>

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Off topic for off topic..
Ok, sounds also like a fuzz to me (the Vamp of behringer can accurately 
reproduce this sounds)
BUT without speaker emulation and Eq instead, it gets close.

Now I'd like to know if anyone has an online version of the GP 100 
manual or and advice to offer (privately, of course)

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Came up with this if it's any help... 
http://media.musicalplanet.com/pdf/ROL059.PDF

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> 


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In a message dated 25/11/2002 22:25:49 GMT Standard Time, malhommeo@wanadoo.fr writes:






Now I'd like to know if anyone has an online version of the GP 100 

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Yes.

Greg House wrote:

> --- sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
> > My wife says, "You've got to have a gimmick or be pretty damn cute."
> > I think she's right.  Maybe I need a gimmick?
> >
> > I'm not meaning to be insulting, I'm just trying to hit on something here that
> > I think is a common problem for a lot of loopers.
>
> Are you saying we're not CUTE??!?
>
> Greg
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Richard Zvonar wrote:

> When I first joined the list a couple of years ago I almost
> unsubscribed the following day because the bulk of the messages where
> whining complaints about the Repeater being behind schedule.

Hey!  That was me!

Mark Sottilaro

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Uh yeah, I'll get him to play with us.  I'll call up my friends Laurie
Anderson and Adrian Belew and see if they'll sit in with us.  I know, I'll
see if Steven Soderbergh will just do some video for me.  Let's see.. I
wonder if the baby Jesus would grand me my wish to be able to kill people
with my mind.

Cool software though.  I remember buying the first version of Bryce and then
going home, installing it in my Mac IIX and then dropping acid.  Fun times.

Mark Sottilaro

ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:

> Mark,
>
> In a message dated 11/25/02 8:32:11 AM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes:
>
> >Uh.... OK.  Who?  Is he on this list?  If so, drop me an email off list.
>
> No, he's not on the list (as far as I know). He's the original inventor
> developer of Kai PowerTools. KPT Bryce, MetaSynth, etc.
>
> I don't know why in partcular Richard would think Eric Wenger would be
> available, but check out : http://www.uisoftware.com/PAGES/index.html
> and you'll see why he'd certainly be interesting to work with.
>
> He may (or may not) be in the bay area. I don't know where the company
> is located. Eric is from France originally. Who knows wgere he resides.
>
> tEd ® kiLLiAn
>
> http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian
> http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm
> http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake

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I have a personal commitment to subscribing to all the U and I software.
It is mind boggling, wonderful software that bridges the world of sound
and visuals, and I can genuinely say it enhances my life, its that good.
Eric says he creates the tools for himself, and is constantly surprised
by what manifests on his screen / speakers...

FYI they just came out with OSX version of Artmatic and V-Track.

Their company is small and fueled by Vision, not unlike certain loop
software companies we know and love. 

Neil


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At 1:45 PM -0700 11/25/02, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
>I totally agree.  That pitchshift fed back into itself is getting 
>*really* tired, IMO.  I love RF, but I think he's got to loose that 
>effect.

Here's one for the old-timers and scholars among you: Who was the 
first to use that effect?
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At 3:18 PM -0800 11/25/02, Neil Goldstein wrote:
>I have a personal commitment to subscribing to all the U and I software.

Me too. I bought Bryce immediately on first sight at a trade show. 
There are a few products like that. The first time I saw Kai's Power 
Tools demonstrated at the CyberArts conference in Pasadena I bought 
it even though I didn't own a color monitor at the time. I even asked 
Kai to autograph the floppy disk.

>Eric says he creates the tools for himself, and is constantly surprised
by what manifests on his screen / speakers...

I first met Eric at MacWorld on what may have been his first trip to 
San Francisco. He told me about some MIDI controlled image processing 
software he was working on just for his own use, and then gave me a 
personal demo up in Kai's hotel room.


>FYI they just came out with OSX version of Artmatic and V-Track.

Got 'em!

>Their company is small and fueled by Vision, not unlike certain loop
>software companies we know and love.

This is why I suggested Eric as a collaborator. He just might be interested.
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Les Paul.

No - wait...

Dick Dale - he invented it.


At 03:01 PM 2002/11/25 -0800, Richard Zvonar wrote:
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> Here's one for the old-timers and scholars among you: Who was the
> first to use that effect?
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Zvonar" 

> At 1:45 PM -0700 11/25/02, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
> >I totally agree.  That pitchshift fed back into itself is getting 
> >*really* tired, IMO.  I love RF, but I think he's got to loose that 
> >effect.
> 
> Here's one for the old-timers and scholars among you: Who was the 
> first to use that effect?

I'll guess - Jon Hassell?


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I've got some cool retro VU meters ( needles ) I've collected off
of old discarded audio equipment.  It looks like the
audio signal is just routed to the meters in parallel,
but I'm not sure.  If I want to use them, say, as a VU for a
small mixer that currently has a 4 LED meter, does anyone
know how I might wire it....?
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> I was fortunate enough to get to test the beta versions of lck.

I am jealous!

> what you say is true, and that alone is pretty cool.
> but it also can do things no other looper can do (though i haven't 
> tried eventide orville)
> and some things that would be very difficult to do with other loopers.

On reading the manual once again, I realise what you are saying.

> kyma is a very powerful tool and the lck expands it capabilities in 
> great loopy fashion.

This interests me so much. One of my frustrations is that I find that 
the looping devices I am using up until now have limitations... I'm 
probably being really picky, but there are times when I just want to 
throw the whole bloody lot out of the window. But with a modular design 
that you can piece together on a computer screen.... wow....

> i regret to say that life has kept me from exploring it's depths,

Do you want to temporarily lend it to me, so that I can do the 
exploring for you? :)

> but i can tell already that great things will come from it's use...

That I am 100% sure of. This is probably the biggest thing to happen to 
live looping since the Repeater....

> excellent web site, dennis.

Agreed.

I've just realised that the Kyma system requires a separate hardware
accelerator... I cannot find out on their site how much all this setup
costs.....

I have a feeling that I am about to acquire a huge equipment lust for
this baby and Dennis' software, which is unhealthy for me at the
moment, but necessary. I've just re-read parts of the manual, and am
only just starting to realise the potential of all of this....

*sigh*

Anyone want a spare kidney?

-- 
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At 6:45 PM -0500 11/25/02, David Beardsley wrote:

>I'll guess - Jon Hassell?

What year? What piece?
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yesterday, i had the chance to play with an old buddy (guitar/bass player) 
and his friend, an excellent drummer.....i had a really cut down set-up: my 
guitar >digi. space station>boomerang>fender "champ" (one very easy 
carry).....what a total gas we had.....all of our talk of improv went through 
my head while we played, it was full speed ahead and chords be dammed, not my 
usual schtick!.....anyway, i was the only looper and did i have fun.....no 
problems with the drummer playing with my loops, in fact i asked Ty if he 
minded playing over my loops and he said he dug it because he could kick back 
and play over the beat that i created.....nickola (guitar) loved the whole 
other groups of voices that i brought to the mix, keep in mind he plays 
straight into a boogie amp sans fx totally so even with my small set-up i 
could do some real skankin.....at one point i reversed my set up and put the 
space station after the rang, i have always had it prior, goodness! try this 
if you havent.....we have a little over 5 hrs of cassette made, the whole 
jam, these guys record absolutly everything.....i think we freaked ourselves 
out.....there was an "energy" present that i seldom get to by myself.....this 
project may turn into a resurrection of  THE BUSH 
PUPPETS.....ahhh.....michael

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At 5:54 PM -0600 11/25/02, Rick Williamson wrote:
>  >
>>  Here's one for the old-timers and scholars among you: Who was the
>>  first to use that effect?
>>  --
>Sheppard? (SP)______________________________________________________________

Somewhat similar end result, but not produced in the same way.

Also, as I recall, the original Shepard tones where actually static, 
but as you played notes up and down the scale they never arrived at a 
higher or lower octave. I think pitch glide effect was developed by 
Risset on the basis of Roger Shepard's work.

The first time I heard Shepard/Risset tones was in Jim Tenney's "For 
Ann (Rising)" in 1976 (the piece was made a Bell Labs in 1969).
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God, is this thread EVER going to die?


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> >
> > Here's one for the old-timers and scholars among you: Who was the
> > first to use that effect?
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> Sheppard?
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> At 6:45 PM -0500 11/25/02, David Beardsley wrote:
> 
> >I'll guess - Jon Hassell?
> 
> What year? What piece?

Fourth World Vol 1 (1980) or 2 (1981)? Now that I'm looking, I can't really
find a piece where he's really got the feedback cranked up. 
Usually he also has some chorus, reverb and/or echo coloring
his tone.

Looks like I'm going to spend tonight listening to Jon Hassell.

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At 7:43 PM -0500 11/26/02, Butch wrote:
>God, is this thread EVER going to die?

Sorry, Butch.

This thread has nothing directly to do with Robert Fripp. It is 
specifically about the origins of certain signal processing effects. 
It could go in any of several directions, but the most productive 
might be to try to identify how certain musical "gestures" entered 
our common language, how and when these became part of the technical 
tools we use, and how we can avoid sinking into endless and repeating 
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It was a tie.

Les Paul and Dick Dale were both doing it within
seconds after they (independently & simultaneously)
invented digital pitch-shifting.

Sorry... 8^P

-t-

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FYI: Guitar Center is selling these for $140. I mostly love mine (enough
that I'm contemplating getting a DG80 for when I'd like to just haul an amp
around).

If you don't like Guitar Center (and I can understand why), American Musical
Supply has them for $170.

No such deals seem to be available for the AG Stomp.

Mark

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I too had a GREAT improv this weekend with Jon Wagner.  I let him be the clock
meister, and it seemed to work fine... except when I forgot to tell my AdrenaLinn
to look at a midi clock and he couldn't figure out why no beat he played would go
with the pulse of the filter.  D'OH!  Having the "mini rig" made it so much
better.  I was setup in 10 minutes.  It's also nice to give yourself limitations
in your sonic pallet.  Fun.

When I got home, my drum machine was looking at me with "that" face.  You know.

Once you go real, you'll yearn for that feel.  (that's my christmas present to all
you good little drummers)

Mark Sottilaro

Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:

> 
yesterday, i had the chance to play with an old buddy (guitar/bass player)
> and his friend, an excellent drummer.....i had a really cut down set-up: my
> guitar >digi. space station>boomerang>fender "champ"

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The last part of Richard's post, where he talks about avoiding cliche,
reminds me of something a drawing teacher I once had pointed out:

Let's say you're drawing a walnut and you want to draw the shell. You can
start just automatically making a bunch of lines that you think will
represent the texture of the nutshell. But are you really looking, and are
you really seeing what the light on the surface of the shell is doing? Are
you really being conscious about each mark you make on the paper being an
attempt to communicate your true visual experience of the object you're
drawing?
-----------
I feel the same logic applies to playing. I definitely get into automatic
states where I am basically playing cliches of my own way of expressing--
this happens especially when I'm tired or don't really feel like playing.
The only way I've found to avoid these automatic states is to do what
amounts to a meditation where all thought between you and your instrument
(e.g. whatever far-out rig you play) is redirected back into the instrument
and the music itself. It feels to me like digging down and down and down in
a moebius-strip like fashion, or like those celtic designs where the animal=
s
eat their own tails. I'm curious to know how other people experience this
process.

dan

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on 11/25/02 8:05 PM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote:

At 7:43 PM -0500 11/26/02, Butch wrote:
>God, is this thread EVER going to die?

Sorry, Butch.

This thread . . . .  could go in any of several directions, but the most
productive=20
might be to try to identify how certain musical "gestures" entered
our common language, how and when these became part of the technical
tools we use, and how we can avoid sinking into endless and repeating
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Re: The language of signal processing (was "Frippery" or s=
omething)


The last part of Richard's post, where he talks about avoiding cliche, remi=
nds me of something a drawing teacher I once had pointed out:



Let's say you're drawing a walnut and you want to draw the shell. You can s=
tart just automatically making a bunch of lines that you think will represen=
t the texture of the nutshell. But are you really looking, and are you reall=
y seeing what the light on the surface of the shell is doing? Are you really=
 being conscious about each mark you make on the paper being an attempt to c=
ommunicate your true visual experience of the object you're drawing?

-----------

I feel the same logic applies to playing. I definitely get into automatic s=
tates where I am basically playing cliches of my own way of expressing-- thi=
s happens especially when I'm tired or don't really feel like playing. The o=
nly way I've found to avoid these automatic states is to do what amounts to =
a meditation where all thought between you and your instrument (e.g. whateve=
r far-out rig you play) is redirected back into the instrument and the music=
 itself. It feels to me like digging down and down and down in a moebius-str=
ip like fashion, or like those celtic designs where the animals eat their ow=
n tails. I'm curious to know how other people experience this process.



dan



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d.ans@verizon.net





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At 7:43 PM -0500 11/26/02, Butch wrote:

>God, is this thread EVER going to die?



Sorry, Butch.



This thread . . . .  could go in any of several directions, but the mo=
st productive 

might be to try to identify how certain musical "gestures" entere=
d 

our common language, how and when these became part of the technical 

tools we use, and how we can avoid sinking into endless and repeating 

sonic clich=E9.








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dear friends... I'm investigating backup solutions for aand wondered if
anyone had favorites.  tape, extra hard drive, dvd burning... I've got about
60 gigs to manage...  on a mac, of course...

requesting advice...

thanks all,
todd


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> FYI: Guitar Center is selling these for $140. I mostly love mine (enough
> that I'm contemplating getting a DG80 for when I'd like to just haul an
amp
> around).
>

Iddn't that the one programmed by Alan Holdsworth?


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on 11/25/02 6:11 PM, David Beardsley at db@biink.com wrote:

> Iddn't that the one programmed by Alan Holdsworth?

No. That's the UD-Stomp delay pedal. The DG-Stomp is an amp
modeller/multi-effects.

Mark

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>dear friends... I'm investigating backup solutions for aand wondered if
>anyone had favorites.  tape, extra hard drive, dvd burning... I've got about
>60 gigs to manage...  on a mac, of course...

extra naked hard drive.  everything else is too slow and too small.

get a firewire interface from http://wiebetech.com at about $135
and you can plug naked IDE drives into it and in a second they are a 
Firewire drive.

get two 80 gig drives at about $85 each and you are good to go for the
rest of time.

HINT HINT HINT HINT:  always have TWO backups -- the most common time
for your disk to fail is during backups!

      /t
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  Mark, what is the MCS-2?   Thanks bunches...   

Smiles,

Cara   

At 11:46 AM 11/24/02 -0800, you wrote:
>Selling off some stuff that goes under used. I'm generally shooting for
>PrePal - 10% fellow looper's discount + shipping but I'll listen to
>reasonable offers particularly when backed up with evidence that PrePal is
>off base.
>
>
>1. Roland VS-880 V-Xpanded + VS8F-1 effects board 8-track all-in-one hard
>disk recorder. I bought this to replace my old Tascam monster 8-track but
>then just found that I was doing most of my work direct to 2-track. Unlike
>some of the cheaper models, this has 4 inputs instead of 2.
>
>Prepal says: $532 (for a vanilla VS-880), so $479 + shipping.
>
>
>2. Line6 FM-4 Filter modeler. Some cool effects depending on how you feel
>about filters but I've decided that I would rather put the money toward the
>more conservative MM-4.
>
>Prepal says $190, so $171 + shipping though I would also gladly swap for an
>MM-4 in good condition.
>
>
>3. 1988 polycarbonate Chapman Stick. No Prepal prices available. Based on
>what I've seen on eBay, I'd take $900 for it from a fellow looper. SF
>Bay/Santa Cruz area would be best since it would avoid figuring out what
>sort of box to put it in. (It does have a fairly solid case and would
>probably ship well, but it would be easier not to ship it.)
>
>
>4. If anyone really wants a Yamaha MCS-2 MIDI controller (as used by David
>Torn in his Painting with Guitar videos), I could probably be persuaded to
>sell mine. I haven't really thought about a price.
>
>
>All items are in excellent condition and have rarely if ever left my
>smoke-free home studio.
>
>Mark
>
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    Hey girlfriend!   -good to have ya back!   Congrats on the NYC
move.  what about PussyKitty?  -Talk soon, -nighters...   

Smiles,

Cara

At 12:50 AM 11/25/02 -0800, you wrote:
>i apologize to this wonderful group for my outburst a
>while back. it's definitely not my style.. i was
>reacting to a situation that obviously started before
>i joined, and i felt i went way overboard. so, sorry
>about that. on the good side of the bed: i'm working
>on a CD of my stuff in earnest, and i'm getting a
>website together, with a friend's help...also, big
>news, i'm moving to new york. brooklyn, to be exact. i
>want to test the waters there. i know a few people
>that i met on a previous trip, and i have an apartment
>available (roommates, girls who play in some local
>bands)that sounds like a very good situation. so,
>hopefully within a few weeks, i'll be settled cozily
>in front of a fake electric yule log, chatting with
>you, making interesting lOopYgIrL tracks and putting
>them on my (new) site. you are all so smart and real
>and great.. please stay that way.  
>sooooon, my looooovvve-   charlotte
>
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> >I totally agree.  That pitchshift fed back into itself is getting 
>  >*really* tired, IMO.  I love RF, but I think he's got to loose that 
>  >effect.
>  
>  Here's one for the old-timers and scholars among you: Who was the 
>  first to use that effect?
>  -- 

1977- Tony Visconti used "pitchshift fed back into itself" on the 
      D.Bowie albums Heroes and Low in order to create his 
      signature snare sound.
      ........bet he's not the first, but perhaps the earliest high profile 
       user. 

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Hi appologia babe,
It wasn´t so much of an outburst really and you
weren´t the only one 
welcome back!
cheers
L.a












>     Hey girlfriend!   -good to have ya back! 
>  Congrats on the NYC
> move.  what about PussyKitty?  -Talk soon,
> -nighters...   
> 
> Smiles,
> 
> Cara
> 
> At 12:50 AM 11/25/02 -0800, you wrote:
> >i apologize to this wonderful group for my outburst
> a
> >while back. it's definitely not my style.. i was
> >reacting to a situation that obviously started
> before
> >i joined, and i felt i went way overboard. so,
> sorry
> >about that. on the good side of the bed: i'm
> working
> >on a CD of my stuff in earnest, and i'm getting a
> >website together, with a friend's help...also, big
> >news, i'm moving to new york. brooklyn, to be
> exact. i
> >want to test the waters there. i know a few people
> >that i met on a previous trip, and i have an
> apartment
> >available (roommates, girls who play in some local
> >bands)that sounds like a very good situation. so,
> >hopefully within a few weeks, i'll be settled
> cozily
> >in front of a fake electric yule log, chatting with
> >you, making interesting lOopYgIrL tracks and
> putting
> >them on my (new) site. you are all so smart and
> real
> >and great.. please stay that way.  
> >sooooon, my looooovvve-   charlotte
> >
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The coolest distortion i have ever heard is the one on
"the intruder" from  Peter Gabriels melting face
album.It almost sound like its mixed with a screaming
voice.It can´t get more neurotic than that!
L.a.









> Off topic for off topic..
> Ok, sounds also like a fuzz to me (the Vamp of
> behringer can accurately 
> reproduce this sounds)
> BUT without speaker emulation and Eq instead, it
> gets close.
> 
> Now I'd like to know if anyone has an online version
> of the GP 100 
> manual or and advice to offer (privately, of course)
> 
> Olivier Malhomme
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>>The FBC1010 uses an optical rotary encoder for the continuous
controller pedals.....<<

I think it's actually an LDR/variable shutter rather than an encoder! anyway, it has to turn back into volts somewhere.... 
to be honest, the fcb1010 isn't the best candidate for this job, it's just that it's lying there doing nowt. what I'll most likely do is put the peavey on a tripod in front of me, and run a few of the buttons from footswitches, probably more of them than the peavey currently allows, and at least one controller pedal too. this all will talk to two repeaters and some other stuff. the repeaters can just lie on the floor in their little flightcase then, where I can keep an eye on them for "cfc slow" messages and the like.... :-{

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>>The FBC1010 uses an optical rotary encoder for th=
e continuous

controller pedals.....<<




I think it's actually an LDR/variable shutter rather than=
 an encoder! anyway, it has to turn back into volts somewhere.... 


to be honest, the fcb1010 isn't the best candidate for th=
is job, it's just that it's lying there doing nowt. what I'll most likely d=
o is put the peavey on a tripod in front of me, and run a few of the button=
s from footswitches, probably more of them than the peavey currently allows=
, and at least one controller pedal too. this all will talk to two repeater=
s and some other stuff. the repeaters can just lie on the floor in their li=
ttle flightcase then, where I can keep an eye on them for "cfc slow&qu=
ot; messages and the like.... :-{



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>>1977- Tony Visconti used "pitchshift fed back into itself" on the 
      D.Bowie albums Heroes and Low in order to create his 
      signature snare sound.
      ........bet he's not the first, but perhaps the earliest high profile 
       user.<<

I think isao tomita probably just about beats that; I remember seeing the eventide clockworks name on his gearlists back in '75/'76, and the noise is certainly there on "pictures..".
btw- anyone ever encounter an eltro machine?

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>>1977- Tony Visconti used "pitchshift fed bac=
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      D.Bowie albums Heroes and=
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      signature snare sound.

      ........bet he's not the =
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       user.<<




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I thought I would give those who might be interested and who missed the
first post a last chance for the remaining items before putting them on
ebay:

Electrix Repeater v1.1 Brand New, still in plastic in box
$700

Electrix FilterFactory, excellent condition, used once
$225

Ashly LX308B 8 stereo channel (16 input) 1 rack space balanced line
mixer
Excellent quality pro gear, only used a few times in my rack
$350

I also have a Roctron Rack Interface that I may be selling, but I am not
sure what they go for or if it would be worth selling; let me know if
interested.

I take very good care of all my equipment.  I also have an excellent
rating on ebay for username sginn.  I am selling these items because I
need to raise some cash and clear out some gear.  If you are interested,
please contact me immediately because in a day or so, I will be putting
everything up on ebay.  All the above prices do not include shipping &
handling.  If interested, please email me off list at sginn@airmail.net.

Thanks,
Steve Ginn

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Hi,
I am selling a brand new repeater for 800EUR.I will
ship europe wide.
please write me privately if you are interested.
thanx
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avoiding cliches is good (in art and music).
dan-your drawing analogy is good, but to counteract your teachers
advice in drawing:
i believe the teacher was trying to address your ability question
perception and how you deal w/ abstraction and representation.
the abstract lines on paper worked in a certain way will somehow represent
the "perceived" world around us. the instructor was just getting you to
look harder: do you see lines around the walnut that define the walnut,
do you see texture/value that give the walnut volume. or in painting
do you see how the light/volume hits the different planes and make the
walnut 3-dimensional, etc.
my beginning drawing teacher told me way back in 1983, and he was using
a chair as the example: "we already have the chair, i don't need to see the
chair anymore, what I want to see is your interpretation of the 
chair" (paraphrase).
my MFA in drawing/painting 2 cents for the day.
i have no idea how that ties in w/ signal processing or looping.
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>The last part of Richard's post, where he talks about avoiding 
>cliche, reminds me of something a drawing teacher I once had pointed 
>out:
>
>Let's say you're drawing a walnut and you want to draw the shell. 
>You can start just automatically making a bunch of lines that you 
>think will represent the texture of the nutshell. But are you really 
>looking, and are you really seeing what the light on the surface of 
>the shell is doing? Are you really being conscious about each mark 
>you make on the paper being an attempt to communicate your true 
>visual experience of the object you're drawing?
>-----------
>I feel the same logic applies to playing. I definitely get into 
>automatic states where I am basically playing cliches of my own way 
>of expressing-- this happens especially when I'm tired or don't 
>really feel like playing. The only way I've found to avoid these 
>automatic states is to do what amounts to a meditation where all 
>thought between you and your instrument (e.g. whatever far-out rig 
>you play) is redirected back into the instrument and the music 
>itself. It feels to me like digging down and down and down in a 
>moebius-strip like fashion, or like those celtic designs where the 
>animals eat their own tails. I'm curious to know how other people 
>experience this process.
>
>dan
>
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>
>on 11/25/02 8:05 PM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote:
>
>At 7:43 PM -0500 11/26/02, Butch wrote:
>>God, is this thread EVER going to die?
>
>Sorry, Butch.
>
>This thread . . . .  could go in any of several directions, but the 
>most productive
>might be to try to identify how certain musical "gestures" entered
>our common language, how and when these became part of the technical
>tools we use, and how we can avoid sinking into endless and repeating
>sonic clich=E9.


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walnut drawing
analogy/looping(?)

avoiding cliches is good (in art and music).


dan-your drawing analogy is good, but to counteract your
teachers


advice in drawing:


i believe the teacher was trying to address your ability
question


perception and how you deal w/ abstraction and
representation.


the abstract lines on paper worked in a certain way will somehow
represent


the "perceived" world around us. the instructor was
just getting you to


look harder: do you see lines around the walnut that define the
walnut,


do you see texture/value that give the walnut volume. or in
painting


do you see how the light/volume hits the different planes and
make the


walnut 3-dimensional, etc.


my beginning drawing teacher told me way back in 1983, and he was
using


a chair as the example: "we already have the chair, i don't
need to see the


chair anymore, what I want to see is your interpretation of the
chair" (paraphrase).


my MFA in drawing/painting 2 cents for the day.


i have no idea how that ties in w/ signal processing or
looping.


s----


http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/452/hsacnostetn.html








The last part of Richard's post, where he
talks about avoiding cliche, reminds me of something a drawing teacher
I once had pointed out:



Let's say you're drawing a walnut and you want to draw the shell. You
can start just automatically making a bunch of lines that you think
will represent the texture of the nutshell. But are you really
looking, and are you really seeing what the light on the surface of
the shell is doing? Are you really being conscious about each mark you
make on the paper being an attempt to communicate your true visual
experience of the object you're drawing?

-----------

I feel the same logic applies to playing. I definitely get into
automatic states where I am basically playing cliches of my own way of
expressing-- this happens especially when I'm tired or don't really
feel like playing. The only way I've found to avoid these automatic
states is to do what amounts to a meditation where all thought between
you and your instrument (e.g. whatever far-out rig you play) is
redirected back into the instrument and the music itself. It feels to
me like digging down and down and down in a moebius-strip like
fashion, or like those celtic designs where the animals eat their own
tails. I'm curious to know how other people experience this
process.



dan



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on 11/25/02 8:05 PM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote:


At 7:43 PM -0500 11/26/02, Butch wrote:

>God, is this thread EVER going to die?



Sorry, Butch.



This thread . . . .  could go in any of several directions, but
the most productive

might be to try to identify how certain musical "gestures"
entered

our common language, how and when these became part of the
technical


tools we use, and how we can avoid sinking into endless
and repeating


sonic clich=E9.










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thanks tom.

I assume you mean the firewire drive dock?

looks like a great solution.  and where are you finding 80 gigs at $85 may I
ask?  

On 11/26/02 12:02 AM, "Tom Ritchford"  wrote:

>> dear friends... I'm investigating backup solutions for aand wondered if
>> anyone had favorites.  tape, extra hard drive, dvd burning... I've got about
>> 60 gigs to manage...  on a mac, of course...
> 
> extra naked hard drive.  everything else is too slow and too small.
> 
> get a firewire interface from http://wiebetech.com at about $135
> and you can plug naked IDE drives into it and in a second they are a
> Firewire drive.
> 
> get two 80 gig drives at about $85 each and you are good to go for the
> rest of time.
> 
> HINT HINT HINT HINT:  always have TWO backups -- the most common time
> for your disk to fail is during backups!
> 
>     /t

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Hi

I was using my DL-4 with no problems last night but, when I tried using it 
today the effects have vanished! I just get a dry signal from the output. 
I'm thinking that I have accidently by-passed the effects, is there a way I 
can reset the unit?

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>thanks tom.
>
>I assume you mean the firewire drive dock?

exactly!


>looks like a great solution.  and where are you finding 80 gigs at $85 may I
>ask?

I went to http://shopper.com but I am told that you can do a lot better than
that at these locations:

At 4:01 PM -0500 11/6/02, geo wrote:
>
>Here are places to look:
>
>Fat Wallet:
>	http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/categories.cfm?catid=18
>
>Tech Bargains:
>	http://www.techbargains.com/
>
>Anandtech:
>	http://forums.anandtech.com/categories.cfm?catid=40

That last one has a 120 gig drive for $99 at best buy, for example...

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>>I was using my DL-4 with no problems last night but, when I tried using it 
today the effects have vanished! I just get a dry signal from the output. 
I'm thinking that I have accidently by-passed the effects, is there a way I 
can reset the unit?<<

silly question, potentially, but do any of the led's come on? the only thing you can do, remotely like this, is a routine that stops the output of the effect muting when you bypass it, so y'r echoes carry on and fade out gracefully. I'm not aware of a total permanent bypass.... 

ah.
unless the relay has failed.
power supply alright? the line6 stuff will go into hard-bypass if/when the batteries fail. if they're ok, then the relay itself must've failed. anyone had the back off one of these?

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I only got it yesterday!! The LEDs rarely come on, does that mean the 
batteries are empty? The only time they come on is when I press the outside 
two switches (for restoring factory preset) whilst plugging in the jack I, 
the 2 corresponding LEDs come on.

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A relatively ancient MIDI controller. A couple sliders. A pich bend knob. A
mod knob. Some program change buttons. Support for 2 continuous control
pedals (Yamaha FC-7), support for two footswitches, 2 MIDI ins which get
merged. I should probably just figure out where to mount it to make it easy
to get to when playing, but I haven't done so yet hence there are probably
offers that could get me to part with it.

Mark

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> Mark, what is the MCS-2?   Thanks bunches...
> 
> Smiles,
> 
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Hi Dan,

you can restore the factory presets of the DL4 by pressing the far left =
and far right switches while plugging in the left/mono guitar input.

more info you will get @

http://www.line6.com/pdf/manuals/EN/ACF1C5.pdf  and
http://www.line6.com/pdf/manuals/EN/ACF1C7.pdf

cheers

Leander
  Hi

  I was using my DL-4 with no problems last night but, when I tried =
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Hi Dan,


 


you can restore the =
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more info you will get =
@


 


http://www.line6.=
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and


http://www.line6.=
com/pdf/manuals/EN/ACF1C7.pdf


 


cheers


 


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> Do you want to temporarily lend it to me, so that I can do the 
> exploring for you? :)

feel free to swing by dallas, tx and check it out. lol.

> 
> I've just realised that the Kyma system requires a separate hardware
> accelerator... I cannot find out on their site how much all this setup
> costs.....
> 

i'm not a big fan of the symbolicsound website.
the information is there but you have to look around a lot.

this is from their website:
    Pricing & Availability
        The price for a new Capybara-320 base unit is US $3300 
        (includes a 4-processor unit with 4 channels of analog and digital I/O, 
        and external sync inputs and outputs, the Kyma software environment, 
        and your choice of PCI, PC(MCIA), ISA, or NuBUS interface cards). 
        Up to 12 expansion cards can be added to the base unit, each of which 
        provides two more DSPs and 48 MB of additional sample RAM for $595. 
        A four channel I/O upgrade is available for $995.

you get to that by clicking brochure (the middle pic on the main page)
then scrolling down the capybara section and clicking the first hyperlink.
then you have to scroll down to pricing. (ugh)

here's a link to their faq:
  http://www.symbolicsound.com/FAQ.html

pretty pricey but not when you consider what you are getting.
for about  the price of 4 edps, you get way more power.
remember, with lck you also get all the native kyma modules
(effects/synthesis/analysis/etc)
kyma is the ultimate gear junky tool.


> I have a feeling that I am about to acquire a huge equipment lust for
> this baby and Dennis' software, which is unhealthy for me at the
> moment, but necessary. I've just re-read parts of the manual, and am
> only just starting to realise the potential of all of this....
> 
> *sigh*
> 
> Anyone want a spare kidney?
> 

another thing to consider is that it requires a host pc as well.
i still haven't quite worked out how i'm going to fit it into my live rig
the capy is a 3u rack mount device.  i thought of using a rack mount pc,
but now i'm thinking a tablet pc would be the way.
then you get reconfigurable touchscreen interface...

> -- 
> Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com
> 

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Dan,

get a power supply, seriously, those things munch power...

Steve
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>
> I only got it yesterday!! The LEDs rarely come on, does that mean the
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I do like DVD myself.  You can find them now for about $250

Mark

todd reynolds wrote:

> dear friends... I'm investigating backup solutions for aand wondered if
> anyone had favorites.  tape, extra hard drive, dvd burning... I've got about
> 60 gigs to manage...  on a mac, of course...
>
> requesting advice...
>
> thanks all,
> todd

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--- Stuart Wyatt  wrote:

> I've just realised that the Kyma system requires a separate hardware
> accelerator... I cannot find out on their site how much all this setup
> costs.....

I did finally find pricing information (in a pdf linked from the FAQ page). The
basic Kyma system, which includes the software, a PCI interface card for your
computer, and the Capybara (outboard accellerator) is $3300 US. There are many
additional options (increasing sample RAM, different interface options, etc)
which are available at additional cost. 

So, a very powerful, highly configurable tool, but at a cost that reflects the
power available.

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--- sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
> Having the "mini rig" made it so much
> better.  I was setup in 10 minutes.  It's also nice to give yourself
> limitations in your sonic pallet.  Fun.

What's your mini-rig got in it?

I haven't managed to loop live with a drummer yet, but a friend who plays bass
comes over periodically and we jam. Working with other people definitely adds an
energy that doesn't always happen when working alone. Increases the
"unpredictability factor"...

Greg

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--- Mark Hamburg  wrote:
> FYI: Guitar Center is selling these for $140. I mostly love mine (enough
> that I'm contemplating getting a DG80 for when I'd like to just haul an amp
> around).
> 
> If you don't like Guitar Center (and I can understand why), American Musical
> Supply has them for $170.

Wow! $140 is a killer price, that's got to be at or below their cost. I just
bought one for $170 from AMS (/zZounds, they're the same place, right?) a couple
of weeks ago. 

I have to say that I'm very impressed with this box. As a recording tool, it's
very convincing. I compared tracks I recorded with it and with my amp miced up
(using a good signal chain) and the track from the DG Stomp held up real well. 

I also played it live plugged direct into the board and it worked well there too.


Not quite as much variety in sounds as some of the other amp simulators (POD),
but the sounds are very good, it's laid out well, allows a much larger number of
saved patches, is very sturdy, and doesn't require a seperate foot controller for
live use. It was a good deal at the previous price of about $300. It's incredible
for the current prices!

Don't forget to turn the cabinet simulation on. The factory presets had it turned
off and I thought it sounded like crap (direct) at first. It makes a huge
difference.

Greg

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--- David Beardsley  wrote:

> Iddn't that the one programmed by Alan Holdsworth?

No, that would be the UD Stomp (modulation & delay box). The DG Stomp is an amp
simulator with some effects.

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on 11/26/02 9:08 AM, Greg House at ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote:

> AMS (/zZounds, they're the same place, right?)

Really? I've heard lots of praise for AMS and was happy with my one purchase
through them. I've heard a lot more skepticism about Zzounds. They're
inventories also seem to differ.

The prices do track pretty closely.

Mark

P.S. I paid $300 or more for my DG-Stomp and am quite happy with it. My only
complaint has been that having just two input levels makes it a bit hard to
adapt on occasion to some of my signal chain.

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wow, my first bad review....i guess you could say that this guy
rips me a new bumhole....oh well....
and for the record, i thought i was trying to create loop-based music
but i guess the reviewer heard "mindless guitar wankery".
oh well....
s---
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/452/hsacnostetn.html

review (or bumhole ripping is at:)
http://www.splendidezine.com/review.html?reviewid=3244635279110287

splendid > reviews > 11/9/2002
Self-Released

No, the artist's name is not a misprint. It's just the "clever" 
pseudonym of solo artist Scott Hansen. Sadly, his music is as muddled 
and poorly thought-out as his artistic moniker.

d2r (when you say it fast it sounds like "detour"!) is a 38 track, 79 
minute album recorded by Hansen in his personal studio, with mistakes 
included. Half the songs are acoustic singer-songwriter numbers, and 
the other half are "experimental" segues that consist of mindless 
guitar wankery. Maybe it's just me, but effects-laden riffs and 
screeches make for anything but smooth transitions between 
stripped-down pop songs. Then again, at least there's something to 
space the songs out; otherwise, the album would sound like one long, 
insanely monotonous song, as the chords and structures are homogenous 
throughout. Aside from sounding essentially the same as its fellows, 
every song here comes complete with trite, repetitive lyrics that 
struggle to squeeze into the choppy verses, creating many awkward 
moments.

Judging by the extremely personal liner notes and good-natured slant 
of the lyrics, HsAcNoStEtN seems to be a pretty nice fellow, but he 
should have asked himself whether anyone would pay money to own d2r 
before he released it. -- Phillip Buchan

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my first bad review

wow, my first bad review....i guess you could say that this
guy


rips me a new bumhole....oh well....


and for the record, i thought i was trying to create loop-based
music


but i guess the reviewer heard "mindless guitar wankery".


oh well....


s---


http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/452/hsacnostetn.html





review (or bumhole ripping is at:)


http://www.splendidezine.com/review.html?reviewid=3244635279110287





splendid >
reviews > 11/9/2002


Self-Released





No, the artist's
name is not a misprint. It's just the "clever" pseudonym of
solo artist Scott Hansen. Sadly, his music is as muddled and poorly
thought-out as his artistic moniker.




d2r (when you
say it fast it sounds like "detour"!) is a 38 track, 79
minute album recorded by Hansen in his personal studio, with mistakes
included. Half the songs are acoustic singer-songwriter numbers, and
the other half are "experimental" segues that consist of
mindless guitar wankery. Maybe it's just me, but effects-laden riffs
and screeches make for anything but smooth transitions between
stripped-down pop songs. Then again, at least there's something
to space the songs out; otherwise, the album would sound like one
long, insanely monotonous song, as the chords and structures are
homogenous throughout. Aside from sounding essentially the same as its
fellows, every song here comes complete with trite, repetitive lyrics
that struggle to squeeze into the choppy verses, creating many awkward
moments.



Judging by the extremely personal liner notes and good-natured slant
of the lyrics, HsAcNoStEtN seems to be a pretty nice fellow, but he
should have asked himself whether anyone would pay money to own
d2r before he released it. -- Phillip Buchan




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Come on...that's cheap!
That power and an open platform? definitely not expensive.

You would have to pay 15 grands for a Lexi 960 to do reverbs..and 
that's it!
You pay 5 grands for the Larc 2...a remote controller!!!

I understand that money is a very personal topic...but how cheap you 
think you can get real power...freedom...open programming...?

greetings
Italo


> --- Stuart Wyatt  wrote:
> 
> > I've just realised that the Kyma system requires a separate hardware
> > accelerator... I cannot find out on their site how much all this set
up
> > costs.....
> 
> I did finally find pricing information (in a pdf linked from the FAQ p
age). The
> basic Kyma system, which includes the software, a PCI interface card f
or your
> computer, and the Capybara (outboard accellerator) is $3300 US. There 
are many
> additional options (increasing sample RAM, different interface options
, etc)
> which are available at additional cost. 
> 
> So, a very powerful, highly configurable tool, but at a cost that refl
ects the
> power available.
> 
> Greg
> 
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--- Greg House  wrote:

> I did finally find pricing information ...

But now I find that Jim beat me to it. Likewise with my UD stomp reply. It's hard
to keep caught up, perhaps I should just shut up.

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--- Mark Hamburg  wrote:
> on 11/26/02 9:08 AM, Greg House at ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote:
> 
> > AMS (/zZounds, they're the same place, right?)
> 
> Really? I've heard lots of praise for AMS and was happy with my one purchase
> through them. I've heard a lot more skepticism about Zzounds. They're
> inventories also seem to differ.
> 
> The prices do track pretty closely.

I don't know that for sure, but every single time I've compared prices &
availability, both have been identical between the two sites. I buy from AMS,
since I've used 'em for years without any problem, but if they aren't the same
place, why is it that both sites are always out of stock in the same things at
the same time...and why do their oddball prices always match exactly?

> P.S. I paid $300 or more for my DG-Stomp and am quite happy with it. My only
> complaint has been that having just two input levels makes it a bit hard to
> adapt on occasion to some of my signal chain.

Yeah, it seems to be a chore getting all the patch levels balanced well enough to
use live, but that's probably just a matter of using it for awhile. My sound guy
loved it the other night, said it was much quieter then my amp, but with good
tone. I just wished I had a little more control over my own monitor volume. 

Greg

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--- Butch  wrote:
> God, is this thread EVER going to die?

Not if you keep replying to it.

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--- Scott Hansen  wrote:
> wow, my first bad review....i guess you could say that this guy
> rips me a new bumhole....oh well....
> and for the record, i thought i was trying to create loop-based music
> but i guess the reviewer heard "mindless guitar wankery".
> oh well....
> s---
> http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/452/hsacnostetn.html
> 
> review (or bumhole ripping is at:)
> http://www.splendidezine.com/review.html?reviewid=3244635279110287

That's a bummer, Scott. Just keep in mind that there are some of us out here that
actually enjoy "mindless guitar wankery". 

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 >>> wow, my first bad review.... <<< 
 
scott, how do I get a copy of this album? I MUST have one!
 
we once got a review like this, though in fairness we'd done our utmost upfront to upset the twat (he was the guy who tried to tell the world that the word "electronica" was his invention and intellectual property, quite apart from messing up the UK electronic scene)(and no, it wasn't les paul or dick "head" dale). 
we laughed and laughed... then we put it on our website. remember, some people hated the beatles too, and they were wrong too.
 
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my first bad review






 >>> wow, my first bad review.... <<< 


 


scott, how do I get a copy of this album? I MUST have 
one!


 


we once got a review like this, though in fairness we'd done our utmost 
upfront to upset the twat (he was the guy who tried to tell the world that the 
word "electronica" was his invention and intellectual property, quite apart from 
messing up the UK electronic scene)(and no, it wasn't les paul or dick "head" 
dale). 


we laughed and laughed... then we put it on our website. remember, some 
people hated the beatles too, and they were wrong too.


 


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Ouch!

Speaking as one who has been on the receiving end of
similar reviews -- you have my sympathy. Don't take it
too hard. I am not familiar with your music. But it's 
difficult to imagine that if the guy thought it was really 
THAT bad why he'd waste the labor over words and 
bandwidth? Seems kinda mean-spirited (IMOHO).

tEd ® kiLLiAn

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On Tuesday, November 26, 2002, at 05:53 PM, jim palmer wrote:

>> Do you want to temporarily lend it to me, so that I can do the
>> exploring for you? :)
>
> feel free to swing by dallas, tx and check it out. lol.

I might just be able to do that LOL :)

I've got a chance to tour with a new show by the Cirque de Soleil for 
one year, touring the U.S.... I'm chasing it up at the moment.

-- 
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There are always critics... I feel for you. I've had a few shitty 
reviews myself, but from people who I think have absolutely no idea 
about what I do, how I do it or why I do it. I pity them....

Just keep doing what you are doing and in the style that you are 
comfortable with. Listen to constructive critisism, but take no notice 
of irritable arseholes.

More importantly... keep looping. (oh, and musical wanking is a hell of 
a lot better than physical wanking IMHO... I do it all the time :)

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OK here it is:

Steinberger M series 6 string

Roland GR30
Digitech GNX2
AdrenaLinn
Electrix Repeater

Into a Hartkey Kickback 120 bass combo amp.

Greg House wrote:

> --- sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
> > Having the "mini rig" made it so much
> > better.  I was setup in 10 minutes.  It's also nice to give yourself
> > limitations in your sonic pallet.  Fun.
>
> What's your mini-rig got in it?
>
> I haven't managed to loop live with a drummer yet, but a friend who plays bass
> comes over periodically and we jam. Working with other people definitely adds an
> energy that doesn't always happen when working alone. Increases the
> "unpredictability factor"...
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> I've got a chance to tour with a new show by the Cirque de Soleil for
> one year, touring the U.S.... I'm chasing it up at the moment.

Cool!  What an opportunity!  Best wishes landing the gig!

...and if you make it near Lafayette, Indiana (strategically located between
Chicago and Indianapolis) I'll be happy to give you an LCK demo!

BTW: I think a fully stuffed Kyma can handle at least 81 simultaneous slave
loopers (all with seperate level, length, pan, etc.) synced to a master
looper.  We could loop a small orchestra with each player having their own
looper, which is tempo locked to the conductor's (or concertmaster's) looper
as the master time-keeper.

Dennis Leas
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--- sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
> Greg House wrote:
> > What's your mini-rig got in it?

> OK here it is:
> 
> Steinberger M series 6 string
> 
> Roland GR30
> Digitech GNX2
> AdrenaLinn
> Electrix Repeater
> 
> Into a Hartkey Kickback 120 bass combo amp.

Cool. I'm looking at making my rig into "as mini as possible". Right now I'm
thinking about:

Guitar (usually my trusty Zion RT Classic)
Yamaha DG Stomp
Lexicon Vortex
(maybe an Electrix Filter Queen in here somewhere)
Repeater

Greg

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On Wednesday, November 27, 2002, at 12:25 AM, Dennis Leas wrote:

> Cool!  What an opportunity!  Best wishes landing the gig!

Thanks. I'm keeping my fingers and toes crossed, and am waiting for a 
phone call from them. If it all works out, I'll be out there in the new 
year.

> ...and if you make it near Lafayette, Indiana (strategically located 
> between
> Chicago and Indianapolis) I'll be happy to give you an LCK demo!

I'll do my best :) I really want to see this beast in action.

> BTW: I think a fully stuffed Kyma can handle at least 81 simultaneous 
> slave
> loopers (all with seperate level, length, pan, etc.) synced to a master
> looper.  We could loop a small orchestra with each player having their 
> own
> looper, which is tempo locked to the conductor's (or concertmaster's) 
> looper
> as the master time-keeper.

81 slave loopers... You have no idea what you are doing to my brain at 
the moment... The potential.... :=)

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It's like my mom used to say, "If you don't have anything nice to say
about someone, wait until they leave the room."

On the other hand, at least you have something to work with.  What I
find is worse is when you put some music out there and you get NO
response.  That always feels the worst to me.  With good honest
(although sometimes bad) critisism you can go back and look at what
you've done and try to figure out how the reviewer came to that
conclusion.  My wife often will be critical of my music, then I hear her
having the same opinions about a Boards of Canada track that I love and
I think, "Oh, OK.  She just doesn't dig *that* sort of thing."  Other
times she's got real nuts and bolts complaints that are SPOT ON.  It's
often hard to realize these imprefections when you're so close to the
project.  After I correct them I think, "How could I have missed that?"
Sometimes it's annoying, when it's something I'm awear of and know I've
got to fix during mixdown, or rerecord a track, but it's better to have
it all the time than none of the time.  My favorite crit from my wife
is, "Isn't the guitar a bit loud in the mix?"  HA!  (it always is!)

Here's my review policy:  If it's free: it's GOOD.  Anyone trying to do
their thing is a *good* thing.  Open mic nights are great examples of
where anyone can go to hone their craft.  I've heard that Beck can still
be caught playing at an open mic night at a bowling alley somewhere
every now and then.

However if you're charging, it's open season.  Were you charging for
your CD?  If so, I think the reviewer has a right and a duty to say what
he feels.  That's their job, no?  A good reviewer will pass on a review
if it's a genera that they don't like, but that's not the case here, so
as bad as the review is, I'd take it as constructive and keep on going.

Mark Sottilaro

ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:

> Ouch!
>
> Speaking as one who has been on the receiving end of
> similar reviews -- you have my sympathy. Don't take it
> too hard. I am not familiar with your music. But it's
> difficult to imagine that if the guy thought it was really
> THAT bad why he'd waste the labor over words and
> bandwidth? Seems kinda mean-spirited (IMOHO).
>
> tEd ® kiLLiAn
>
> http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian
> http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm
> http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake

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cool!
come on by when you're here.



> 
> On Tuesday, November 26, 2002, at 05:53 PM, jim palmer wrote:
> 
> >> Do you want to temporarily lend it to me, so that I can do the
> >> exploring for you? :)
> >
> > feel free to swing by dallas, tx and check it out. lol.
> 
> I might just be able to do that LOL :)
> 
> I've got a chance to tour with a new show by the Cirque de Soleil for 
> one year, touring the U.S.... I'm chasing it up at the moment.
> 
> -- 
> Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com
> 

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> More importantly... keep looping. (oh, and musical wanking is a hell of 
> a lot better than physical wanking IMHO... I do it all the time :)
> 

wait a minute...
which one are you doing all the time?



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> 
> On Wednesday, November 27, 2002, at 12:25 AM, Dennis Leas wrote:
> 
> > Cool!  What an opportunity!  Best wishes landing the gig!
> 
> Thanks. I'm keeping my fingers and toes crossed, and am waiting for a 
> phone call from them. If it all works out, I'll be out there in the new 
> year.
> 

hey, is it alegria?
i think a friend already got me a ticket to that one.
that show is playing here in late january.
will you be doing any looping/improv or just "playing the ink"?

> > ...and if you make it near Lafayette, Indiana (strategically located 
> > between
> > Chicago and Indianapolis) I'll be happy to give you an LCK demo!
> 
> I'll do my best :) I really want to see this beast in action.
> 

yeah, i'm sure denis can give you a better demo.
he wrote the lck, after all.
and i'm still cutting my teeth on a basic kyma system.
but swing by anyway...

> > BTW: I think a fully stuffed Kyma can handle at least 81 simultaneous 
> > slave
> > loopers (all with seperate level, length, pan, etc.) synced to a master
> > looper.  We could loop a small orchestra with each player having their 
> > own
> > looper, which is tempo locked to the conductor's (or concertmaster's) 
> > looper
> > as the master time-keeper.
> 
> 81 slave loopers... You have no idea what you are doing to my brain at 
> the moment... The potential.... :=)
> 

yeah, 81 slave loopers would be cool,
can you get them to feed you grapes?

> -- 
> Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com
> 

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> wait a minute...
> which one are you doing all the time?

Hhhmmm... er...yes, I could have worded that better :)

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On Wednesday, November 27, 2002, at 01:02 AM, jim palmer wrote:

> hey, is it alegria?

No, its Dralion. Starting in New Orleans in February.

> will you be doing any looping/improv or just "playing the ink"?

The job description asks for a lot of improv skills, but it will 
probably also be a lot of ink.... I dont know about any looping. I dont 
really know anything at the moment (its all happened in the last 24 
hours, and the time difference is getting in the way). The music that 
they have at the moment requires either a separate cellist and a 
violinist, or a 6/7 string violinist. Its in their interests to hire 
one person instead of two.... and as there are not that many 6/7 string 
players in the world, I hopefully stand a good chance.

I'll let you know if/when anything happens. :)

I'm now off to bed to masturbate with dreams of 81 slave loopers.

-- 
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On Wednesday, November 27, 2002, at 01:02 AM, jim palmer wrote:


hey, is it alegria?



No, its Dralion. Starting in New Orleans in February.


will you be doing any looping/improv or just "playing the
ink"?0000,6363,1212



The job description asks for a lot of improv skills, but it will
probably also be a lot of ink.... I dont know about any looping. I
dont really know anything at the moment (its all happened in the last
24 hours, and the time difference is getting in the way). The music
that they have at the moment requires either a separate cellist and a
violinist, or a 6/7 string violinist. Its in their interests to hire
one person instead of two.... and as there are not that many 6/7
string players in the world, I hopefully stand a good chance.


I'll let you know if/when anything happens. :)


I'm now off to bed to masturbate with dreams of 81 slave loopers.


-- 

Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com


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Stuart  wrote:
...> I've got a chance to tour with a new show by the Cirque de Soleil for
> one year, touring the U.S.... I'm chasing it up at the moment.

Wow, that sounds magic!  Will you be looping on the ground, or in the air?
:~)

If you do sign on, let us know if you can swing any "Looper'sD." discounted
tickets!

David A.
Portland Oregon


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Re: Boston Loop-a-thon?Dan -

The Zeitgeist looper show seems MIA -- it's come up with a few other =
people know as well. =20

I know it can be a lot of work to get these together.  If we don't hear =
back in a week or two from the Zeitgeist show organizers, how about I =
try to organize another "The Loopers' Collective" event.  After a two =
year hiatus, I think this would be TLC-IX in the series.

CALL TO BOSTON AREA LOOPISTS -- if you're not on the proposed Zeitgeist =
bill (so we can have some variety) and would like to participate in a =
looper-showcase show, please contact me via e-mail at: =
UNSTRUNGONE@YAHOO.COM with a little bit about you: =20

        Name:=20
        Instrument:
        Current looper-tool preference:
        Mini-bio (for a Playbill -- so, 50 words MAX)

NOTE: I WILL BE TRAVELING DECEMBER 1-15 AND WILL NOT REPLY TO E-MAIL!!

When I get back, I'll start pulling something together.

David Kirkdorffer
UNDO

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Daniel Soltzberg=20
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  Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 1:27 PM
  Subject: Re: Boston Loop-a-thon?


  I'm not sure if this event actually happened-- I have a feeling it =
didn't. I was supposed to play it, but then never heard from the =
organizers. Last time I checked the Zeitgeist calendar (about 2 weeks =
ago), there was something else scheduled those dates. I don't know if =
Loopfest's being rescheduled (hopefully) or what. The contact info for =
the organizers was  loopme@randomsalt.com


  dan

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  on 11/25/02 9:18 AM, Tim Nelson at psychle62@yahoo.com wrote:


    I couldn't make it to this: any reviews/anecdotes as
    to how it went?

    -t-

    --- Jeffrey Lomas  wrote:
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    > 23rd-24th and it will be=20
    > held at the Zietgiest Gallery in Cambridge, MA

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Re: Boston Loop-a-thon?






Dan -


 


The Zeitgeist looper show seems MIA -- =
it's come up=20
with a few other people know as well.  


 


I know it can be a lot of work to get =
these=20
together.  If we don't hear back in a week or two from the =
Zeitgeist show=20
organizers, how about I try to organize another "The Loopers' =
Collective"=20
event.  After a two year hiatus, I think this would be TLC-IX in =
the=20
series.


 


CALL TO BOSTON AREA=20
LOOPISTS -- if you're not on the proposed Zeitgeist =
bill (so=20
we can have some variety) and would like to participate in a =
looper-showcase=20
show, please contact me via e-mail at: UNSTRUNGONE@YAHOO.COM with=
 a little=20
bit about you:  


 


        =
Name:=20



       =20
Instrument:


        Current=20
looper-tool preference:


        =
Mini-bio (for=20
a Playbill -- so, 50 words MAX)


 


NOTE: I WILL BE =
TRAVELING=20
DECEMBER 1-15 AND WILL NOT REPLY TO=20
E-MAIL!!


 


When I get back, I'll start pulling =
something=20
together.


 


David Kirkdorffer


UNDO


 


  
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  From:=20
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  Soltzberg
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 = 1:27=20 PM
Subject: Re: Boston = Loop-a-thon?

I'm not sure if this event = actually=20 happened-- I have a feeling it didn't. I was supposed to play it, but = then=20 never heard from the organizers. Last time I checked the Zeitgeist = calendar=20 (about 2 weeks ago), there was something else scheduled those dates. I = don't=20 know if Loopfest's being rescheduled (hopefully) or what. The contact = info for=20 the organizers was  loopme@randomsalt.com


dan
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http://envelopeproductions.com
d.ans@verizon.net

=


on=20 11/25/02 9:18 AM, Tim Nelson at psychle62@yahoo.com wrote:

I couldn't make it to this: any reviews/anecdotes as
to = how=20 it went?

-t-

--- Jeffrey Lomas=20 <jeff.lomas@oasis-open.org> wrote:
> The weekend for the = Boston=20 Loopfest is November
> 23rd-24th and it will be
> held = at the=20 Zietgiest Gallery in Cambridge,=20 MA

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I've been contemplating getting a Yamaha DG-80 so that I could potentially just stick an EDP in its effects loop and work with that. In a mini-rig, unless a PA is available, the DG-Stomp is too quiet. ;-) Mark on 11/26/02 3:37 PM, Greg House at ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote: > Cool. I'm looking at making my rig into "as mini as possible". Right now I'm > thinking about: > > Guitar (usually my trusty Zion RT Classic) > Yamaha DG Stomp > Lexicon Vortex > (maybe an Electrix Filter Queen in here somewhere) > Repeater From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 26 21:15:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03706; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:13:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:13:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021126190008.036e9b20@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 20:20:14 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Duke Sexton Subject: Re: improv with others In-Reply-To: <3DE3F505.CE7F5E87@zerocrossing.net> References: <20021126170232.88165.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:26 PM 11/26/2002 -0700, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: >At 09:02 AM 11/26/2002 -0800, Greg House wrote: >> >>What's your mini-rig got in it? >Steinberger M series 6 string > >Roland GR30 >Digitech GNX2 >AdrenaLinn >Electrix Repeater Mark, What are your impressions of the AdrenaLinn so far? I'm considering getting one to put downstream of my Elektron Sidstation. I figure I could come up with some wicked TB303-style basslines by routing it through the amp/distortion models on the AdrenaLinn, and the filters should help warm up some of the edges on the SID chip. At least that's the theory on paper... ;) -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 26 21:47:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05754; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:43:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:43:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:46:24 -0500 Subject: Re: walnut drawing analogy/looping(?) From: Daniel Soltzberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3121191984_2132205_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3121191984_2132205_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Maybe we'll twist this one back around to topic yet: I realized after I sent that response to Richard's message that he was talking (I think) more specifically about avoiding cliche sounds-- that was the connection to the whole Fripp signal chain discussion-- rather than cliches in playing content.=20 It's totally on the philosophical side of things, but the connection to looping I see is still the same, and it just has to do with being authentic as opposed to automatic-- with the sounds we choose, and with what we play. I like a lot the idea you've posed of going even further, beyond the thing itself to one's experience of the thing-- that actually does a good job expressing what I'm trying to say. For example, taking someone's sound and how that effects you as a listener, and then translating that emotional response into your own sound. d --=20 ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com d.ans@verizon.net on 11/26/02 10:29 AM, Scott Hansen at scott-a-hansen@uiowa.edu wrote: avoiding cliches is good (in art and music). dan-your drawing analogy is good, but to counteract your teachers advice in drawing: i believe the teacher was trying to address your ability question perception and how you deal w/ abstraction and representation. the abstract lines on paper worked in a certain way will somehow represent the "perceived" world around us. the instructor was just getting you to look harder: do you see lines around the walnut that define the walnut, do you see texture/value that give the walnut volume. or in painting do you see how the light/volume hits the different planes and make the walnut 3-dimensional, etc. my beginning drawing teacher told me way back in 1983, and he was using a chair as the example: "we already have the chair, i don't need to see the chair anymore, what I want to see is your interpretation of the chair" (paraphrase). my MFA in drawing/painting 2 cents for the day. i have no idea how that ties in w/ signal processing or looping. s---- http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/452/hsacnostetn.html The last part of Richard's post, where he talks about avoiding cliche, reminds me of something a drawing teacher I once had pointed out: Let's say you're drawing a walnut and you want to draw the shell. You can start just automatically making a bunch of lines that you think will represent the texture of the nutshell. But are you really looking, and are you really seeing what the light on the surface of the shell is doing? Are you really being conscious about each mark you make on the paper being an attempt to communicate your true visual experience of the object you're drawing? ----------- I feel the same logic applies to playing. I definitely get into automatic states where I am basically playing cliches of my own way of expressing-- this happens especially when I'm tired or don't really feel like playing. The only way I've found to avoid these automatic states is to do what amounts to a meditation where all thought between you and your instrument (e.g. whatever far-out rig you play) is redirected back into the instrument and the music itself. It feels to me like digging down and down and down in a moebius-strip like fashion, or like those celtic designs where the animal= s eat their own tails. I'm curious to know how other people experience this process. dan -- ghost 7/ Oranje http://envelopeproductions.com d.ans@verizon.net on 11/25/02 8:05 PM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: At 7:43 PM -0500 11/26/02, Butch wrote: >God, is this thread EVER going to die? Sorry, Butch. This thread . . . . could go in any of several directions, but the most productive might be to try to identify how certain musical "gestures" entered our common language, how and when these became part of the technical tools we use, and how we can avoid sinking into endless and repeating sonic clich=E9. -- --MS_Mac_OE_3121191984_2132205_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: walnut drawing analogy/looping(?) Maybe we'll twist this one back around to topic yet:  I realized after= I sent that response to Richard's message that he was talking (I think) mor= e specifically about avoiding cliche sounds-- that was the connection to the= whole Fripp signal chain discussion-- rather than cliches in playing conten= t.

It's totally on the philosophical side of things, but the connection to loo= ping I see is still the same, and it just has to do with being authentic as = opposed to automatic-- with the sounds we choose, and with what we play.
I like a lot the idea you've posed of going even further, beyond the thing = itself to one's experience of the thing-- that actually does a good job expr= essing what I'm trying to say. For example, taking someone's sound and how t= hat effects you as a listener, and then translating that emotional response = into your own sound.


d

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on 11/26/02 10:29 AM, Scott Hansen at scott-a-hansen@uiowa.edu wrote:

avoiding cliches is good (in art and music).
dan-your drawing analogy is good, but to counteract your teachers
advice in drawing:
i believe the teacher was trying to address your ability question
perception and how you deal w/ abstraction and representation.
the abstract lines on paper worked in a certain way will somehow represent<= BR> the "perceived" world around us. the instructor was just getting = you to
look harder: do you see lines around the walnut that define the walnut,
do you see texture/value that give the walnut volume. or in painting
do you see how the light/volume hits the different planes and make the
walnut 3-dimensional, etc.
my beginning drawing teacher told me way back in 1983, and he was using
a chair as the example: "we already have the chair, i don't need to se= e the
chair anymore, what I want to see is your interpretation of the chair"= (paraphrase).
my MFA in drawing/painting 2 cents for the day.
i have no idea how that ties in w/ signal processing or looping.
s----
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/452/hsacnostetn.html


The last part of Richard's post, where he talks about avoiding = cliche, reminds me of something a drawing teacher I once had pointed out:
Let's say you're drawing a walnut and you want to draw the shell. You can s= tart just automatically making a bunch of lines that you think will represen= t the texture of the nutshell. But are you really looking, and are you reall= y seeing what the light on the surface of the shell is doing? Are you really= being conscious about each mark you make on the paper being an attempt to c= ommunicate your true visual experience of the object you're drawing?
-----------
I feel the same logic applies to playing. I definitely get into automatic s= tates where I am basically playing cliches of my own way of expressing-- thi= s happens especially when I'm tired or don't really feel like playing. The o= nly way I've found to avoid these automatic states is to do what amounts to = a meditation where all thought between you and your instrument (e.g. whateve= r far-out rig you play) is redirected back into the instrument and the music= itself. It feels to me like digging down and down and down in a moebius-str= ip like fashion, or like those celtic designs where the animals eat their ow= n tails. I'm curious to know how other people experience this process.

dan

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on 11/25/02 8:05 PM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote:
At 7:43 PM -0500 11/26/02, Butch wrote:
>God, is this thread EVER going to die?

Sorry, Butch.

This thread . . . .  could go in any of several directions, but the mo= st productive
might be to try to identify how certain musical "gestures" entere= d
our common language, how and when these became part of the technical
tools we use, and how we can avoid sinking into endless and repeating
sonic clich=E9.


--


--MS_Mac_OE_3121191984_2132205_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 02:33:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28388; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 02:32:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 02:32:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005101c295b4$b717aff0$07f8c440@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <109.1c3f1aae.2b140016@aol.com> Subject: OT: vht 2/90/2 power amp for sale Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 01:31:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004E_01C295B4.B53AD9A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C295B4.B53AD9A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable going solid state. bought it new 6 months ago for $1000. it's yours = for $800 + shipping. -jim ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C295B4.B53AD9A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C295B4.B53AD9A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 06:50:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13473; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 06:49:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 06:49:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DE4AFA2.6090402@oasis-open.org> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 06:42:26 -0500 From: Jeffrey Lomas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: >--> BOSTON >--> BOSTON >--> BOSTON >--> BOSTON >--> BOSTON >--> References: <001e01c295b1$67231e60$0affff0a@hppav> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020405020709020900030405" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------020405020709020900030405 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry about the delay in getting back with you all. I have been working with the performers and venue to get everything lined up before I came back to the list. Due to a scheduling conflict with The Zeitgeist we had to reschedule the Boston Loopfest for January 30-31. I'll be posting more information in Mid-December. Any inquiries can be sent to loopme@randomsalt.com Regards, Jeff Lomas David wrote: > Dan - > > > > The Zeitgeist looper show seems MIA -- it's come up with a few other > people know as well. > > > > I know it can be a lot of work to get these together. If we don't > hear back in a week or two from the Zeitgeist show organizers, how > about I try to organize another "The Loopers' Collective" event. > After a two year hiatus, I think this would be TLC-IX in the series. > > > > CALL TO BOSTON AREA LOOPISTS -- if you're not on the proposed > Zeitgeist bill (so we can have some variety) and would like to > participate in a looper-showcase show, please contact me via e-mail > at: UNSTRUNGONE@YAHOO.COM with a > little bit about you: > > > > Name: > > Instrument: > > Current looper-tool preference: > > Mini-bio (for a Playbill -- so, 50 words MAX) > > > > NOTE: I WILL BE TRAVELING DECEMBER 1-15 AND WILL NOT REPLY TO E-MAIL!! > > > > When I get back, I'll start pulling something together. > > > > David Kirkdorffer > > UNDO > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From:Daniel Soltzberg > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 1:27 PM > > Subject: Re: Boston Loop-a-thon? > > > I'm not sure if this event actually happened-- I have a feeling it > didn't. I was supposed to play it, but then never heard from the > organizers. Last time I checked the Zeitgeist calendar (about 2 > weeks ago), there was something else scheduled those dates. I > don't know if Loopfest's being rescheduled (hopefully) or what. > The contact info for the organizers was loopme@randomsalt.com > > > dan > > -- > ghost 7/ Oranje > http://envelopeproductions.com > d.ans@verizon.net > > > > > on 11/25/02 9:18 AM, Tim Nelson at psychle62@yahoo.com wrote: > > I couldn't make it to this: any reviews/anecdotes as > to how it went? > > -t- > > --- Jeffrey Lomas wrote: > > The weekend for the Boston Loopfest is November > > 23rd-24th and it will be > > held at the Zietgiest Gallery in Cambridge, MA > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > --------------020405020709020900030405 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry about the delay in getting back with you all.  I have been working with the performers and venue to get everything lined up before I came back to the list.

Due to a scheduling conflict with The Zeitgeist we had to reschedule the Boston Loopfest for January 30-31.  I'll be posting more information in Mid-December.

Any inquiries can be sent to loopme@randomsalt.com

Regards,
Jeff Lomas

David wrote:
Re: Boston Loop-a-thon?
Dan -
 
The Zeitgeist looper show seems MIA -- it's come up with a few other people know as well. 
 
I know it can be a lot of work to get these together.  If we don't hear back in a week or two from the Zeitgeist show organizers, how about I try to organize another "The Loopers' Collective" event.  After a two year hiatus, I think this would be TLC-IX in the series.
 
CALL TO BOSTON AREA LOOPISTS --  if you're not on the proposed Zeitgeist bill (so we can have some variety) and would like to participate in a looper-showcase show, please contact me via e-mail at: UNSTRUNGONE@YAHOO.COM  with a little bit about you: 
 
        Name:
        Instrument:
        Current looper-tool preference:
        Mini-bio (for a Playbill -- so, 50 words MAX)
 
NOTE: I WILL BE TRAVELING DECEMBER 1-15 AND WILL NOT REPLY TO E-MAIL!!
 
When I get back, I'll start pulling something together.
 
David Kirkdorffer
UNDO
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: Boston Loop-a-thon?

I'm not sure if this event actually happened-- I have a feeling it didn't. I was supposed to play it, but then never heard from the organizers. Last time I checked the Zeitgeist calendar (about 2 weeks ago), there was something else scheduled those dates. I don't know if Loopfest's being rescheduled (hopefully) or what. The contact info for the organizers was   loopme@randomsalt.com


dan

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on 11/25/02 9:18 AM, Tim Nelson at psychle62@yahoo.com wrote:

I couldn't make it to this: any reviews/anecdotes as
to how it went?

-t-

--- Jeffrey Lomas <jeff.lomas@oasis-open.org> wrote:
> The weekend for the Boston Loopfest is November
> 23rd-24th and it will be
> held at the Zietgiest Gallery in Cambridge, MA

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--------------020405020709020900030405-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 09:45:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27680; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:41:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:41:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA930@LON-MAIL07> References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA930@LON-MAIL07> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:33:49 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: my first bad review/ALBUM inquery Cc: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if you'd like a copy of my cd (d2r), just send your (snail mail) address to me at: scott-a-hansen@uiowa.edu and i can send you a copy of my cd. it's funny, i always think of "mindless guitar wankery" as bad EVH clones and stuff from the 80's--didn't think i was even close to doing that, but who knows. s---- > >>> wow, my first bad review.... <<< > >scott, how do I get a copy of this album? I MUST have one! > >we once got a review like this, though in fairness we'd done our >utmost upfront to upset the twat (he was the guy who tried to tell >the world that the word "electronica" was his invention and >intellectual property, quite apart from messing up the UK electronic >scene)(and no, it wasn't les paul or dick "head" dale). >we laughed and laughed... then we put it on our website. remember, >some people hated the beatles too, and they were wrong too. > >duncan/r.m.i. > > >*************************************************************************** >CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > >The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user >of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also >be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may >not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it >in any form whatsoever. >If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender >by replying to this message. > >MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from >external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct >and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. > >MTV Networks Europe >*************************************************************************** -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 09:46:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27772; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:42:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:42:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <78.316a3308.2b15328e@aol.com> References: <78.316a3308.2b15328e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:35:10 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: my first bad review Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id JAA27751 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks TED!! yea, i guess you take the good w/ the bad. s--- http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/452/hsacnostetn.html >Ouch! > >Speaking as one who has been on the receiving end of >similar reviews -- you have my sympathy. Don't take it >too hard. I am not familiar with your music. But it's >difficult to imagine that if the guy thought it was really >THAT bad why he'd waste the labor over words and >bandwidth? Seems kinda mean-spirited (IMOHO). > >tEd ® kiLLiAn > >http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian >http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm >http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 09:58:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29723; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:56:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:56:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3DE3F93E.B4DFAE86@zerocrossing.net> References: <3DE3F93E.B4DFAE86@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:48:51 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: my first bad review Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id JAA29702 Resent-Message-ID: <-s9xg.A.VQH.U0N59@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes, some valid pts. it's funny all the things said in the (bad) review are things that my brother has told me at one time or another. i guess you take the good w/ the bad and it's the risk you take when you put your stuff out. to answer your question: at the present time i'm not charging for my album, and certainly the reviewer got the copy for free. i had read somewhere that major labels have to give out between 300-500 copies of all albums released, i'm nowhere near that (for me i've sent out/given out between 80-90 copies). i guess it was an experiment to see what would happen if i threw some of my "stuff" out there. been a fun experiment. back in (art) grad school the saying went: generally a bad review was better than a good review, if someone has that strong of a reaction to your stuff, maybe it's good in someway....oh well..... thanks for the kind words of solice....s--- >It's like my mom used to say, "If you don't have anything nice to say >about someone, wait until they leave the room." > >On the other hand, at least you have something to work with. What I >find is worse is when you put some music out there and you get NO >response. That always feels the worst to me. With good honest >(although sometimes bad) critisism you can go back and look at what >you've done and try to figure out how the reviewer came to that >conclusion. My wife often will be critical of my music, then I hear her >having the same opinions about a Boards of Canada track that I love and >I think, "Oh, OK. She just doesn't dig *that* sort of thing." Other >times she's got real nuts and bolts complaints that are SPOT ON. It's >often hard to realize these imprefections when you're so close to the >project. After I correct them I think, "How could I have missed that?" >Sometimes it's annoying, when it's something I'm awear of and know I've >got to fix during mixdown, or rerecord a track, but it's better to have >it all the time than none of the time. My favorite crit from my wife >is, "Isn't the guitar a bit loud in the mix?" HA! (it always is!) > >Here's my review policy: If it's free: it's GOOD. Anyone trying to do >their thing is a *good* thing. Open mic nights are great examples of >where anyone can go to hone their craft. I've heard that Beck can still >be caught playing at an open mic night at a bowling alley somewhere >every now and then. > >However if you're charging, it's open season. Were you charging for >your CD? If so, I think the reviewer has a right and a duty to say what >he feels. That's their job, no? A good reviewer will pass on a review >if it's a genera that they don't like, but that's not the case here, so >as bad as the review is, I'd take it as constructive and keep on going. > >Mark Sottilaro > >ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > >> Ouch! >> >> Speaking as one who has been on the receiving end of >> similar reviews -- you have my sympathy. Don't take it >> too hard. I am not familiar with your music. But it's >> difficult to imagine that if the guy thought it was really >> THAT bad why he'd waste the labor over words and >> bandwidth? Seems kinda mean-spirited (IMOHO). >> >> tEd ® kiLLiAn >> >> http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm > > http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 10:05:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31719; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:04:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:04:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004101c29626$cc990820$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: First Excursions into Frippertronics Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:08:08 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Catching up here! Without a doubt, "Evening Star" and "No Pussyfooting" are pioneer outings of their own report. I think of these two as a bit more indulgent, as if their own "wow effect" hadn't receded yet, and both Fripp and Eno are not only finding new places and marvelling at them, but having fun exploring as well. While the soundscapes work is elegant at worst (!), I think that Robert Fripp's most illustrative works of looping/frippertronics/roscotronics are on "Let the Power Fall" and "Under Heavy Manners/God Save the King". In each of these releases, RF can be heard placing layer upon layer, until the washes of sound just make me go all "Ah... yes". In this role I think RF found his teaching career, in a sense... and in many cases with both RF and Eno, one comes away with a feeling that someone's said, "Here, listen to it, here it is", and "Here's how it's done. Go forth, nterpret and create for yourself." I think that, when the two of them get together, wonderful things happen, and we get to enjoy it at least. Unfortunately the CD release of "Under Heavy Manners/God Save the King" is um, modified from its original release, with overdubs aplenty. Not BAD overdubs, mind you, but I wonder if it obfuscates the effect experienced on the previous revisions, whereby we learn more. I remember the first revisions, and wish I'd put the vinyl to good tape before it began to pop and click a bit. In this particular case old vinyl doesn't shine, since you eventually hear surface noise. Thankfully, "Let the Power Fall" is of course untouched in its pristine majesty on the CD release. Regarding "Zero of the Signified" - one of my all time faves! - I thankfully had it on tape (the vinyl version) and have transferred it to mp3 for my own ecstatic enjoyment. It's a good 13+ minutes long! I believe that it was Musician magazine that credited RF with The Longest Fade-Out Ever on this one - and I think they may have been right! S.P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 11:34:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05638; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 11:26:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 11:26:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021127162655.80360.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:26:55 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: improv with others To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <07lHtD.A.8XB.RJP59@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I thought of that just after sending the msg. I figured it wasn't worth adding another reply. I was thinking of adding a powered PA speaker (maybe a pair) for that, perhaps a Mackie SRM 450. Or a smaller, lighter, less expensive option would be a Tech21 Power Engine 60 (basically a simple power amp & a guitar speaker in a box, like a combo amp with no preamp) Greg --- Mark Hamburg wrote: > What are you thinking about using to actually produce sound? I've been > contemplating getting a Yamaha DG-80 so that I could potentially just stick > an EDP in its effects loop and work with that. In a mini-rig, unless a PA is > available, the DG-Stomp is too quiet. ;-) > > Mark > > on 11/26/02 3:37 PM, Greg House at ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote: > > > Cool. I'm looking at making my rig into "as mini as possible". Right now I'm > > thinking about: > > > > Guitar (usually my trusty Zion RT Classic) > > Yamaha DG Stomp > > Lexicon Vortex > > (maybe an Electrix Filter Queen in here somewhere) > > Repeater > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 11:41:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06582; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 11:37:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 11:37:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:31:31 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: my first bad review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DE4F363.AAC01EC2@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <3DE3F93E.B4DFAE86@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Then the reviewer had no right to trash your music, IMO, unless the review was requested. However, if you can take what he and your brother have said, trim of the venom, and use it, then you've won. Mark Scott Hansen wrote: > > to answer your question: at the present time i'm not charging for > my album, and certainly the reviewer got the copy for free. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 12:04:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09388; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:00:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:00:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:52:51 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: walnut drawing analogy/looping(?) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1173706524==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1173706524==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yes, i actually find that the process for creating art (visual) is the same as the process for creating music. the mediums are different, the tools are different, but the process is the same. it's unfortunate that the 2 have strayed so far in the past century--discussion w/ an art historian prof in grad school about his trying to have a class w/ prof in art and one in music to talk about the sameness of both mediums/ disciplines. he told me the music prof thought it was a bad idea, b/c music is a discipline w/ rules etc and art was not. guess he only saw the differences. for me it's the same. unfortunately for me, i've been drawing since i was 5, and i didn't start playing guitar until i was 19, and didn't start looping until last year, but i guess the newness/challenge is what is fun. s--- ps-i should qualify, many might not call what i make as "music"--i usually think i'm making art/noise/sound/ and finally music...oh well...or perhaps i should just say "i do mindless guitar wanking"... >Maybe we'll twist this one back around to topic yet: I realized >after I sent that response to Richard's message that he was talking >(I think) more specifically about avoiding cliche sounds-- that was >the connection to the whole Fripp signal chain discussion-- rather >than cliches in playing content. > >It's totally on the philosophical side of things, but the connection >to looping I see is still the same, and it just has to do with being >authentic as opposed to automatic-- with the sounds we choose, and >with what we play. > >I like a lot the idea you've posed of going even further, beyond the >thing itself to one's experience of the thing-- that actually does a >good job expressing what I'm trying to say. For example, taking >someone's sound and how that effects you as a listener, and then >translating that emotional response into your own sound. > > >d > >-- >ghost 7/ Oranje >http://envelopeproductions.com >d.ans@verizon.net > > > >on 11/26/02 10:29 AM, Scott Hansen at scott-a-hansen@uiowa.edu wrote: > >avoiding cliches is good (in art and music). >dan-your drawing analogy is good, but to counteract your teachers >advice in drawing: >i believe the teacher was trying to address your ability question >perception and how you deal w/ abstraction and representation. >the abstract lines on paper worked in a certain way will somehow represent >the "perceived" world around us. the instructor was just getting you to >look harder: do you see lines around the walnut that define the walnut, >do you see texture/value that give the walnut volume. or in painting >do you see how the light/volume hits the different planes and make the >walnut 3-dimensional, etc. >my beginning drawing teacher told me way back in 1983, and he was using >a chair as the example: "we already have the chair, i don't need to see the >chair anymore, what I want to see is your interpretation of the >chair" (paraphrase). >my MFA in drawing/painting 2 cents for the day. >i have no idea how that ties in w/ signal processing or looping. >s---- >http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/452/hsacnostetn.html > >The last part of Richard's post, where he talks about avoiding >cliche, reminds me of something a drawing teacher I once had pointed >out: > >Let's say you're drawing a walnut and you want to draw the shell. >You can start just automatically making a bunch of lines that you >think will represent the texture of the nutshell. But are you really >looking, and are you really seeing what the light on the surface of >the shell is doing? Are you really being conscious about each mark >you make on the paper being an attempt to communicate your true >visual experience of the object you're drawing? >----------- >I feel the same logic applies to playing. I definitely get into >automatic states where I am basically playing cliches of my own way >of expressing-- this happens especially when I'm tired or don't >really feel like playing. The only way I've found to avoid these >automatic states is to do what amounts to a meditation where all >thought between you and your instrument (e.g. whatever far-out rig >you play) is redirected back into the instrument and the music >itself. It feels to me like digging down and down and down in a >moebius-strip like fashion, or like those celtic designs where the >animals eat their own tails. I'm curious to know how other people >experience this process. > >dan > >-- >ghost 7/ Oranje >http://envelopeproductions.com >d.ans@verizon.net > > >on 11/25/02 8:05 PM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: > >At 7:43 PM -0500 11/26/02, Butch wrote: >>God, is this thread EVER going to die? > >Sorry, Butch. > >This thread . . . . could go in any of several directions, but the >most productive >might be to try to identify how certain musical "gestures" entered >our common language, how and when these became part of the technical >tools we use, and how we can avoid sinking into endless and repeating >sonic clich=E9. > > > >-- -- --============_-1173706524==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: walnut drawing analogy/looping(?)
yes, i actually find that the process for creating art (visual) is
the same as the process for creating music. the mediums are different,
the tools are different, but the process is the same. it's unfortunate
that the 2 have strayed so far in the past century--discussion w/ an
art historian prof in grad school about his trying to have a class w/
prof in art and one in music to talk about the sameness of both mediums/
disciplines. he told me the music prof thought it was a bad idea, b/c
music is a discipline w/ rules etc and art was not. guess he only saw the
differences. for me it's the same. unfortunately for me, i've been drawing since i was 5, and i didn't start playing guitar until i was 19, and didn't start looping until last year, but i guess the newness/challenge is what is fun.
s---
ps-i should qualify, many might not call what i make as "music"--i usually think i'm making art/noise/sound/ and finally music...oh well...or perhaps i should
just say "i do mindless guitar wanking"...


Maybe we'll twist this one back around to topic yet:  I realized after I sent that response to Richard's message that he was talking (I think) more specifically about avoiding cliche sounds-- that was the connection to the whole Fripp signal chain discussion-- rather than cliches in playing content.

It's totally on the philosophical side of things, but the connection to looping I see is still the same, and it just has to do with being authentic as opposed to automatic-- with the sounds we choose, and with what we play.

I like a lot the idea you've posed of going even further, beyond the thing itself to one's experience of the thing-- that actually does a good job expressing what I'm trying to say. For example, taking someone's sound and how that effects you as a listener, and then translating that emotional response into your own sound.


d

--
ghost 7/ Oranje
http://envelopeproductions.com
d.ans@verizon.net



on 11/26/02 10:29 AM, Scott Hansen at scott-a-hansen@uiowa.edu wrote:
avoiding cliches is good (in art and music).
dan-your drawing analogy is good, but to counteract your teachers
advice in drawing:
i believe the teacher was trying to address your ability question
perception and how you deal w/ abstraction and representation.
the abstract lines on paper worked in a certain way will somehow represent
the "perceived" world around us. the instructor was just getting you to
look harder: do you see lines around the walnut that define the walnut,
do you see texture/value that give the walnut volume. or in painting
do you see how the light/volume hits the different planes and make the
walnut 3-dimensional, etc.
my beginning drawing teacher told me way back in 1983, and he was using
a chair as the example: "we already have the chair, i don't need to see the
chair anymore, what I want to see is your interpretation of the chair" (paraphrase).
my MFA in drawing/painting 2 cents for the day.
i have no idea how that ties in w/ signal processing or looping.
s----
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/452/hsacnostetn.html
The last part of Richard's post, where he talks about avoiding cliche, reminds me of something a drawing teacher I once had pointed out:

Let's say you're drawing a walnut and you want to draw the shell. You can start just automatically making a bunch of lines that you think will represent the texture of the nutshell. But are you really looking, and are you really seeing what the light on the surface of the shell is doing? Are you really being conscious about each mark you make on the paper being an attempt to communicate your true visual experience of the object you're drawing?
-----------
I feel the same logic applies to playing. I definitely get into automatic states where I am basically playing cliches of my own way of expressing-- this happens especially when I'm tired or don't really feel like playing. The only way I've found to avoid these automatic states is to do what amounts to a meditation where all thought between you and your instrument (e.g. whatever far-out rig you play) is redirected back into the instrument and the music itself. It feels to me like digging down and down and down in a moebius-strip like fashion, or like those celtic designs where the animals eat their own tails. I'm curious to know how other people experience this process.

dan

--
ghost 7/ Oranje
http://envelopeproductions.com
d.ans@verizon.net


on 11/25/02 8:05 PM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote:
At 7:43 PM -0500 11/26/02, Butch wrote:
>God, is this thread EVER going to die?

Sorry, Butch.

This thread . . . .  could go in any of several directions, but the most productive
might be to try to identify how certain musical "gestures" entered
our common language, how and when these became part of the technical
tools we use, and how we can avoid sinking into endless and repeating
sonic clich=E9.


--


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--============_-1173706524==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 12:07:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09928; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:05:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:05:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a001c29627$478848c0$1a494ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA930@LON-MAIL07> Subject: Re: my first bad review/ALBUM inquery Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:11:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > it's funny, i always think of "mindless guitar wankery" as > bad EVH clones and stuff from the 80's--didn't think i was even > close to doing that, but who knows. ...which of course is the problem with reviews... people's reference points are so skewed by what they listen to, or more importantly, by what they DON'T listen to, that if you are working in an area that people don't get, then they will latch onto whatever the nearest reference point they can relate to... I remember playing a Metheny Group CD to a friend of mine who said 'oh yes, it sounds like Shakatak'... Shakatak??? doesn't sound anything like Shakatak, but that for him was the only reference point he has for electric instrumental stuff with tunes! I was recently dismissed in a review (albeit a review of the headline act, not really of me) as doing 'frippertronics on a bass', with the following comment along the lines of 'oh well, I guess it pays the bills'... if I met the guy who wrote it again, I wouldn't know whether to laugh at him for his audacity in writing about stuff he knows nowt about, or deck him for being so offhand about what I do... I'd probably just ignore him... The problem is that if you made an album that this reviewer liked, then the next one will hate it for all the same reasons that reviewer #1 would love it... forget about them, and do what you do as well as you can do it. Of course there is always the possibility that you suck, and that the review is doing you a favour, but unless they provide irrefutable proof that they totally understand what you're doing and still don't like it, you are far better of ignoring lazy put-downs like 'mindless guitar wankery', and getting on with the business of making music. That's the problem with believing the good reviews - it takes a while to get your head round the more 'constructive' ones. There are certain people whose take on what I do helps me to see what I'm doing - there's a review of my first album up at www.krimson-news.com in Sid Smith's diary entry at the moment (he wrote the Crimson Bio, which is excellent if you ignore the typos...) where he writes about it in a way that sheds some light on what I do. Dann Chinn, who writes for Misfit City and the Evo Digest, always does reviews that enlighten me about what I do. Andre's review of Conversations was an eye-opener, and as a result, his comments on aspects of my new CD (some lovely, some constructive) were listened to and weighed in the light of him having a pretty good understanding of what I'm doing... move on, make more music, petrol bomb the bad guys... :o) namaste Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 12:09:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09564; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:02:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:02:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:56:10 -0800 From: Mark Subject: AdrenaLinn for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DE4F92A.B8611F03@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <004101c29626$cc990820$0201a8c0@eluk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It doesn't seem that Scrooge is going to give me another lump of coal for the fire this year, so I'm going to unload some stuff. This gets to go because I have other devices that do most of it's functions, but none that's all in one like this. Imagine a Line6 POD, Electrix Filter Factory, MoFX with a drum machine built in! For the details go to: http://www.rogerlinndesign.com/ This is a REALLY fun toy and works great with both the Repeater or the EDP as a MIDI synch source. I've kept it all nice. I've never used it as a stompbox, it's always been on a table used in a gentle manner. I've got the manual, box, powersupply, and it's been upgraded to the latest OS. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=925644978&rd=1 I've scheduled it to start today at noon, but if someone offers me $210 (I get that number based on what it's been selling for on eBay) plus shipping, I'll stop the auction. Thanks, Mark Sottilaro "S.P. Goodman" wrote: > Catching up here! > > Without a doubt, "Evening Star" and "No Pussyfooting" are pioneer outings of > their own report. I think of these two as a bit more indulgent, as if their > own "wow effect" hadn't receded yet, and both Fripp and Eno are not only > finding new places and marvelling at them, but having fun exploring as well. > > While the soundscapes work is elegant at worst (!), I think that Robert > Fripp's most illustrative works of looping/frippertronics/roscotronics are > on "Let the Power Fall" and "Under Heavy Manners/God Save the King". In > each of these releases, RF can be heard placing layer upon layer, until the > washes of sound just make me go all "Ah... yes". In this role I think RF > found his teaching career, in a sense... and in many cases with both RF and > Eno, one comes away with a feeling that someone's said, "Here, listen to it, > here it is", and "Here's how it's done. Go forth, nterpret and create for > yourself." I think that, when the two of them get together, wonderful > things happen, and we get to enjoy it at least. > > Unfortunately the CD release of "Under Heavy Manners/God Save the King" is > um, modified from its original release, with overdubs aplenty. Not BAD > overdubs, mind you, but I wonder if it obfuscates the effect experienced on > the previous revisions, whereby we learn more. I remember the first > revisions, and wish I'd put the vinyl to good tape before it began to pop > and click a bit. In this particular case old vinyl doesn't shine, since you > eventually hear surface noise. Thankfully, "Let the Power Fall" is of > course untouched in its pristine majesty on the CD release. > > Regarding "Zero of the Signified" - one of my all time faves! - I thankfully > had it on tape (the vinyl version) and have transferred it to mp3 for my own > ecstatic enjoyment. It's a good 13+ minutes long! I believe that it was > Musician magazine that credited RF with The Longest Fade-Out Ever on this > one - and I think they may have been right! > > S.P. Goodman > EarthLight Productions > * > http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations! > http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 12:15:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10730; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:13:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:13:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:09:30 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: walnut drawing analogy/looping(?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DE4FC4A.AED862E9@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not sure if I think Fripps use of the feedback pitch shifting would be called "cliché" at this point... my problem is that he uses it too much in some of his soundscape work. Due to the fact that he's mostly using a chromatic shift, it all becomes atonal. I just happen to like that type of thing better when it's juxtaposed to something with a tonal center. My personal taste, that's all. There was a time when I was all about the microtonal thing, but I grew tired of it. I find it's a nice place to visit, but staying there is too much. Mark Sottilaro Daniel Soltzberg wrote: > Maybe we'll twist this one back around to topic yet: I realized after > I sent that response to Richard's message that he was talking (I > think) more specifically about avoiding cliche sounds-- that was the > connection to the whole Fripp signal chain discussion-- rather than > cliches in playing content. > > It's totally on the philosophical side of things, but the connection > to looping I see is still the same, and it just has to do with being > authentic as opposed to automatic-- with the sounds we choose, and > with what we play. > > I like a lot the idea you've posed of going even further, beyond the > thing itself to one's experience of the thing-- that actually does a > good job expressing what I'm trying to say. For example, taking > someone's sound and how that effects you as a listener, and then > translating that emotional response into your own sound. > > > d > > -- > ghost 7/ Oranje > http://envelopeproductions.com > d.ans@verizon.net > > > > on 11/26/02 10:29 AM, Scott Hansen at scott-a-hansen@uiowa.edu wrote: > > > avoiding cliches is good (in art and music). > dan-your drawing analogy is good, but to counteract your > teachers > advice in drawing: > i believe the teacher was trying to address your ability > question > perception and how you deal w/ abstraction and > representation. > the abstract lines on paper worked in a certain way will > somehow represent > the "perceived" world around us. the instructor was just > getting you to > look harder: do you see lines around the walnut that define > the walnut, > do you see texture/value that give the walnut volume. or in > painting > do you see how the light/volume hits the different planes > and make the > walnut 3-dimensional, etc. > my beginning drawing teacher told me way back in 1983, and > he was using > a chair as the example: "we already have the chair, i don't > need to see the > chair anymore, what I want to see is your interpretation of > the chair" (paraphrase). > my MFA in drawing/painting 2 cents for the day. > i have no idea how that ties in w/ signal processing or > looping. > s---- > http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/452/hsacnostetn.html > > > > The last part of Richard's post, where he talks > about avoiding cliche, reminds me of something a > drawing teacher I once had pointed out: > > Let's say you're drawing a walnut and you want to > draw the shell. You can start just automatically > making a bunch of lines that you think will > represent the texture of the nutshell. But are you > really looking, and are you really seeing what the > light on the surface of the shell is doing? Are > you really being conscious about each mark you > make on the paper being an attempt to communicate > your true visual experience of the object you're > drawing? > ----------- > I feel the same logic applies to playing. I > definitely get into automatic states where I am > basically playing cliches of my own way of > expressing-- this happens especially when I'm > tired or don't really feel like playing. The only > way I've found to avoid these automatic states is > to do what amounts to a meditation where all > thought between you and your instrument (e.g. > whatever far-out rig you play) is redirected back > into the instrument and the music itself. It feels > to me like digging down and down and down in a > moebius-strip like fashion, or like those celtic > designs where the animals eat their own tails. I'm > curious to know how other people experience this > process. > > dan > > -- > ghost 7/ Oranje > http://envelopeproductions.com > d.ans@verizon.net > > > on 11/25/02 8:05 PM, Richard Zvonar at > zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: > > At 7:43 PM -0500 11/26/02, Butch wrote: > >God, is this thread EVER going to die? > > Sorry, Butch. > > This thread . . . . could go in any of > several directions, but the most > productive > might be to try to identify how certain > musical "gestures" entered > our common language, how and when these > became part of the technical > tools we use, and how we can avoid > sinking into endless and repeating > sonic cliché. > > -- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 12:17:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11058; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:16:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:16:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021127171647.25519.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:16:47 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: my first bad review/ALBUM inquery To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00a001c29627$478848c0$1a494ed5@bigboy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Steve Lawson wrote: > forget about them, and do what you do as well as you can do it. That's the best way to view it, but it's also pretty hard to do. Music is something that's so highly personal that if someone's down on your music, it's hard not to take it personally. > Of course there is always the possibility that you suck, and that the review > is doing you a favour, but unless they provide irrefutable proof that they > totally understand what you're doing and still don't like it, you are far > better of ignoring lazy put-downs like 'mindless guitar wankery', and > getting on with the business of making music. My problem with this particular review is that the verbage has a sort of arrogant "I know more then you" type tone to it. The reviewer states his opinion as though it were absolute fact (which I suppose, for him it is). Therefore, it's much easier for me to dismiss this review as being the work of a pompus know-all. However, if I was familiar with his other reviews and he had some credibility in my eyes, perhaps I might give it more credence. 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Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 12:41:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12291; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:34:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:34:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3DE4F92A.B8611F03@zerocrossing.net> References: <004101c29626$cc990820$0201a8c0@eluk> <3DE4F92A.B8611F03@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:33:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: AdrenaLinn for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -4.7 () IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.21 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: <-VnmaD.A.9_C.-IQ59@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >It doesn't seem that Scrooge is going to give me another lump of coal for the >fire this year, so I'm going to unload some stuff. This gets to go because I >have other devices that do most of it's functions, but none that's all in one >like this. Imagine a Line6 POD, Electrix Filter Factory, MoFX with a drum >machine built in! For the details go to: > >http://www.rogerlinndesign.com/ > >This is a REALLY fun toy and works great with both the Repeater or >the EDP as a >MIDI synch source. I've kept it all nice. I've never used it as a stompbox, >it's always been on a table used in a gentle manner. I've got the >manual, box, >powersupply, and it's been upgraded to the latest OS. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=925644978&rd=1 > >I've scheduled it to start today at noon, but if someone offers me $210 (I get >that number based on what it's been selling for on eBay) plus shipping, I'll >stop the auction. I'll take it! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 12:42:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12697; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:41:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:41:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <131.17a1ced3.2b165db3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:41:07 EST Subject: Re: my first bad review/ALBUM inquery (Steve L.) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA12676 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Way to go Steve! In a message dated 11/27/02 9:06:53 AM, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: >There are certain people whose take on what I do helps me to >see what I'm doing - there's a review of my first album up at >www.krimson-news.com in Sid Smith's diary entry at the moment Well, since you won't post the review yourself so everyone can read it without going and hunting for it -- I will (hope you don't mind). From Sid Smith at: http://diaries.krimson-news.com/SidSmith.shtml Sunday, November 24 2002 Listening To . . . two albums which are worlds apart but have much in common. And Nothing But the Bass by Steve Lawson Pillow Mountain Records On Some Road by Remco Helbers. Edition Blue The bass (acoustic or electric) is one of my favourite instruments. Top Ten bassists? Oh , I’d have to think about it but I guess Pastorius has to be up there because of his singular role in upturning the applecart and pushing at the boundaries. Roy Babbington, Miroslav Vitous, Tony Levin, Harry Miller and Hugh Hopper would also be keeping him company. On another day, you'd find me including people like Bill MacCormick (Quiet Sun, 801, Random Hold), Eberhard Weber, Fred T Baker (best known for his work with Phil Miller’s In Cahoots) and most recently, Steve Lawson. [All good company huh?] I came across Steve when he played solo bass (with looping technology) on the 21st Century Schizoid Band's recent tour. Blessed with a sunny disposition and prodigious digits, Lawson's music is strong on melody and short on any gratuitous showing-off. As well as being a track of the album, The Virtue Of The Small, might also describe a personal and business manifesto. By spending a lot of time out on the road - often playing the graveyard support slot as people find their seats, etc., - Lawson knows the necessity and value of keeping things simple and direct. Consequently, much of the music on this live CD is concerned with mood-setting and exposition without much in the way of obtrusive window-dressing. The jaunty interplay of The Inner Game or the arcing, haunting whale-song soliloquies of Drifting are particularly rewarding, as is the utterly charming Blue Sticks, which cheekily weaves Lionel Bart’s Fings Aint Wot They Used To Be and Blue Moon into the fabric of this one-man travelogue. Not quite nothing but the bass, Steve is joined by pianist, Jez Carr on Bittersweet, for a Zawinul-esque excursion which broadens the pallete of the album, although it’s the cryptic final track, Pillow Mountain, where the cosy and personable tete a tete is replaced with an altogether more ruminative discourse which emanates from quivering shrouds of restrained and terse electronica. Steve seems to be the very embodiment of what Robert Fripp meant all those years ago, when he talked about the future belonging to small, mobile, intelligent units. Lawson is not only out on the road most nights of the week but cannily extending his niche market via the internet. More power to his elbow I say. Check him out on http://www.steve-lawson.co.uk. So Steve . . . you're comming to the states for a tour when? Just a couple of months from now? Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 13:01:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15161; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:59:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:59:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3DE4F363.AAC01EC2@zerocrossing.net> References: <3DE4F363.AAC01EC2@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 11:52:26 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: my first bad review Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7Y0w1B.A.zsD.dgQ59@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i do believe in "freedom of speech". a reviewer has the right to say what ever they believe-whether good or bad. freedom comes w/ good and bad. i always say: freedom is a dangerous thing. also, one must take things in stride too. oh well. s--- >Then the reviewer had no right to trash your music, IMO, unless the review >was requested. However, if you can take what he and your brother have said, >trim of the venom, and use it, then you've won. > >Mark > >Scott Hansen wrote: > >> >> to answer your question: at the present time i'm not charging for > > my album, and certainly the reviewer got the copy for free. -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 13:05:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15683; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:04:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:04:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00a001c29627$478848c0$1a494ed5@bigboy> References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA930@LON-MAIL07> <00a001c29627$478848c0$1a494ed5@bigboy> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:03:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: my first bad review/ALBUM inquery Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -8.9 () IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SALE,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.21 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My last post (RE:AdrennaLinn for Sale) was obviously meant just for Mark, this is what I get for trying to eat a muffin and type at the same time... > > it's funny, i always think of "mindless guitar wankery" as >> bad EVH clones and stuff from the 80's--didn't think i was even >> close to doing that, but who knows. > >...which of course is the problem with reviews... people's reference points >are so skewed by what they listen to, or more importantly, by what they >DON'T listen to, that if you are working in an area that people don't get, >then they will latch onto whatever the nearest reference point they can >relate to... > >I remember playing a Metheny Group CD to a friend of mine who said 'oh yes, >it sounds like Shakatak'... Shakatak??? doesn't sound anything like >Shakatak, but that for him was the only reference point he has for electric >instrumental stuff with tunes! I had this happen at the record store yesterday, I was playing the new Herbie Hancock box set, and a customer told me it sounded just like Zappa's Joe's Garage. For a lot of people my generation and older, Zappa is the leftmost reference point for "weird" music, anything out of the ordinary, especially if there's serious chops involved, becomes "Zappa-like". As far as reviews go, good or bad, you have to remember that most reviewers are pretty much deluged with new music. I was a music director at a college radio for about 5 years, and the amount of music we had to review every week was really daunting. I had to listen to between 20 and 50 discs a week. Just imagine that for a second. I know musicians who own fewer than 50 records total! It's just an overwhelming amount of music, and I got severely burned out on dealing with it. Some of you may think this is a dream job (I did when I got it, though it certainly didn't pay all that well), but I almost grew to dread the stack of records that came to my desk every day. Plus, you find out very quickly that Sturgeon's Law (95% of everything is crap) is very true, and perhaps even a bit too generous! Not to excuse the original reviewer, had it been me and I honestly felt that way about the record, I wouldn't have published the review. But we all have to remember, when we send out our record to the reviewers, that the music we've poured our hearts into to make the disc is just another record in the stack for the reviewer. When I get positive reviews, I'm happy. When I get positive reviews from critics that actually seemed to listen to the record and wrote about with some intelligence, I'm ecstatic. If I get a bad review that has something perceptive to say, I try to learn from it (harder than you may think!). But ultimately, you've got to let it slide. If you feel that your music is real and honest and all that, and the reviewer hated it, screw 'em. > >I was recently dismissed in a review (albeit a review of the headline act, >not really of me) as doing 'frippertronics on a bass', with the following >comment along the lines of 'oh well, I guess it pays the bills'... Oh man, that's hilarious. Yeah Steve, we all know you're doing this Frippertronics on the bass thing for the cash, while you secretly dream of starting a N'Sync cover band! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 13:10:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16169; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:08:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:08:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2963F.AA7D02BD" Subject: cd release party live MP3 !!! Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:06:10 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [vsbiglist] Re: (Almost OT) BassPOD opinions wanted Thread-Index: AcKWNkWaJhFQ8cIFSdunitiBZkKwZgACk3ow From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "VS Big List" , , , Cc: , "Eric de Fontenay" , "Justin Sakson" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Nov 2002 18:08:03.0894 (UTC) FILETIME=[EDF1AD60:01C2963F] Resent-Message-ID: <1G3FLB.A.j8D.QoQ59@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2963F.AA7D02BD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Hello, =20 I had a CD release part tuesday November 26th,2002 to celebrate the = release of my CD "Modern Rock guitar.vol.III" . It was held at the = Vertigo club in Bloomington,IN and I played a solo set with regular = guitar and guitar loops done on the fly. The material was improvisd on = the spot. I used my full setup with 2 boomerangs pedalboards and a = lexicon jaman. It was recorded via the PA mixing bard on a vs-880 on two = tracks. In case you mised the show, you can hear a 5 minute mp3 at: =20 http://www.dtguitar.com/vertigonov26.mp3 =20 If you take a listen, let me know what you think, would be appreciated. Thanks Denis =20 Denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2963F.AA7D02BD Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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I = had a CD=20 release part tuesday November 26th,2002 to celebrate the release of my = CD=20 "Modern Rock guitar.vol.III" . It was held at the Vertigo club in=20 Bloomington,IN and I played a solo set with regular guitar and guitar = loops=20 done on the fly. The material was improvisd on the spot. I used my = full setup=20 with 2 boomerangs pedalboards and a lexicon jaman. It was recorded via = the PA=20 mixing bard on a vs-880 on two tracks. In case you mised the show, you = can=20 hear a 5 minute mp3 at:
 
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If you take a = listen, let me=20 know what you think, would be appreciated.
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2963F.AA7D02BD-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 13:11:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16240; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:09:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:09:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e501c2963a$23d18b40$1a494ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <20021127171647.25519.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: my first bad review/ALBUM inquery Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 17:26:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > --- Steve Lawson wrote: > > > forget about them, and do what you do as well as you can do it. > > That's the best way to view it, but it's also pretty hard to do. Music is > something that's so highly personal that if someone's down on your music, it's > hard not to take it personally. Absolutely - I didn't say it was easy... :o) ...and it's even harder if your sense of worth in what you do comes from having had good reviews... I've had some good reviews that annoyed the heck out of me because the things they found in my music that they liked were things I wished weren't there... :o) I'm sat here listening to the new Jarrett/DeJohnette/Peacock double live improv set - clearly a load of mindless piano/bass/drums wankery... ;o) ...or maybe it's godlike genius at work, and sphincter-boy reviewer wouldn't know it if it crapped on him from the top of a tall building... who knows, who really cares... just be careful who you send your CDs to... :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 13:15:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16870; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:14:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:14:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:14:05 -0500 Subject: who likes kyma? From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com do we have any kyma-users and lovers in New York? anyone love it so much they'd consider meeting for coffee and a demo? this latest site for emulation software has my interest peaked... best, todd reynolds From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 13:28:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17796; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:25:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:25:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011701c29642$3a1afb90$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: who likes kyma? Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:24:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know there's some Kyma users in NY. Can I forward your question/request to Symbolic Sound? They can probably put you in touch with some area Kyma-ites. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "todd reynolds" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 1:14 PM Subject: who likes kyma? > do we have any kyma-users and lovers in New York? anyone love it so much > they'd consider meeting for coffee and a demo? > > this latest site for emulation software has my interest peaked... > > best, > > todd reynolds > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 13:30:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17977; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:27:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:27:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-23.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1038421617!49892 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA943@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: AdrenaLinn for sale Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:21:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C29641.C6399BA0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29641.C6399BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" arse! I just ordered one from music toyz.... d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. 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arse! I just ordered one from music toyz....

d.



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29641.C6399BA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 13:43:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19106; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:39:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:39:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010d01c29642$95849fe0$1a494ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA930@LON-MAIL07> <00a001c29627$478848c0$1a494ed5@bigboy> Subject: Re: my first bad review/ALBUM inquery Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:27:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "Dave Trenkel" > As far as reviews go, good or bad, you have to remember that most > reviewers are pretty much deluged with new music. I was a music > director at a college radio for about 5 years, and the amount of > music we had to review every week was really daunting. I had to > listen to between 20 and 50 discs a week. Just imagine that for a > second. I know musicians who own fewer than 50 records total! It's > just an overwhelming amount of music, and I got severely burned out > on dealing with it. ...I know a few musicians who own less than 50 CDs... don't trust any of them... :o) you just wish that reviewers in this situation would either delegate, or not do anything... I guess I'd rather have no review... > >I was recently dismissed in a review (albeit a review of the headline act, > >not really of me) as doing 'frippertronics on a bass', with the following > >comment along the lines of 'oh well, I guess it pays the bills'... > > Oh man, that's hilarious. Yeah Steve, we all know you're doing this > Frippertronics on the bass thing for the cash, while you secretly > dream of starting a N'Sync cover band! Exactly, now that I've made my first billion (just trying to see if my bid for Trump Tower has been accepted), I might start to follow my true 'no compromise' musical calling and form a really cutting edge singer/songwriter outfit with Sarah McLaghlan and the guy from Hootie... :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 13:44:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19192; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:40:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:40:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-9.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1038422444!51623 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA944@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] mr lawson Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:35:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C29643.B2073FF0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29643.B2073FF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>I came across Steve when he played solo bass (with looping technology) on the 21st Century Schizoid Band's recent tour<< hmm.. well, much as I like kevin ayers, I have to ask why we had to endure the latter's under-prepared set prior to 21csb's appearance at the royal festival hall, instead of the former.... I'm guessing that it was a mass-market get-all-the-ageing-prog-fans-in tactic. ayers' set was a misery of untuned guitars and (apparently) disinterested pickup-talent who'd just about learned some of his "hits". still got a great voice though but. I for one would've preferred some bass guitar loop action, but then I'm a bassist (five fenders including a VI, a 4001, a 4003/5.... and a few keyboards) with a jam-man and two repeaters, so I might be a tad misadjusted in this area..... steve- is your album widely available? duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. 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>>I came across Steve when he played solo bass (wit= h looping technology) on the 21st Century Schizoid Band's recent tour<&l= t;

hmm.. well, much as I like kevin ayers, I have to ask why= we had to endure the latter's under-prepared set prior to 21csb's appearan= ce at the royal festival hall, instead of the former.... I'm guessing that = it was a mass-market get-all-the-ageing-prog-fans-in tactic. ayers' set was= a misery of untuned guitars and (apparently) disinterested pickup-talent w= ho'd just about learned some of his "hits". still got a great voi= ce though but.

I for one would've preferred some bass guitar loop action= , but then I'm a bassist (five fenders including a VI, a 4001, a 4003/5....= and a few keyboards) with a jam-man and two repeaters, so I might be a tad= misadjusted in this area.....

steve- is your album widely available?

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C29643.B2073FF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 13:52:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20097; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:49:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:49:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012001c29646$06999200$1a494ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA944@LON-MAIL07> Subject: Re: [looper's] mr lawson Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:51:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Duncan, my album is widely available via my website... :o) secure CC ordering, or a mail order form for cheques/Postal orders... ...bizarrely enough, I was actually playing at that gig, before Kevin Ayers!! ROTFL I was on doing the 'Fripp on G3' slot from when doors opened... that was fun... I have to say, Kevin's performance did nothing for me either... see the site for CD orders! cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk (CDs, blog, mailing list, street team, gig dates, etc. etc.) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 6:35 PM Subject: [looper's] mr lawson > >>I came across Steve when he played solo bass (with looping technology) on the 21st Century Schizoid Band's recent tour<< > > hmm.. well, much as I like kevin ayers, I have to ask why we had to endure the latter's under-prepared set prior to 21csb's appearance at the royal festival hall, instead of the former.... I'm guessing that it was a mass-market get-all-the-ageing-prog-fans-in tactic. ayers' set was a misery of untuned guitars and (apparently) disinterested pickup-talent who'd just about learned some of his "hits". still got a great voice though but. > > I for one would've preferred some bass guitar loop action, but then I'm a bassist (five fenders including a VI, a 4001, a 4003/5.... and a few keyboards) with a jam-man and two repeaters, so I might be a tad misadjusted in this area..... > > steve- is your album widely available? > > duncan/r.m.i. > > > *************************************************************************** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may > not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it > in any form whatsoever. > If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender > by replying to this message. > > MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from > external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct > and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. > > MTV Networks Europe > *************************************************************************** > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 13:59:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20799; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:56:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:56:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:55:44 +0100 Subject: Re: who likes kyma? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <011701c29642$3a1afb90$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has Kyma made its way to Europe at all? Or is it a 110V only unit? I'm still in awe at the processing power of this box.... and I want to see one in action. On Wednesday, November 27, 2002, at 07:24 PM, Dennis Leas wrote: > I know there's some Kyma users in NY. Can I forward your > question/request > to Symbolic Sound? They can probably put you in touch with some area > Kyma-ites. -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 13:59:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20234; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:51:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:51:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012001c29645$efbe2140$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <3DE4F363.AAC01EC2@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: my first bad review Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:51:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i do believe in "freedom of speech". a reviewer has the right > to say what ever they believe-whether good or bad. My main problem with reviewers of this sort is when they state their opinion as if it were fact. I believe in "freedom of speech" too, but also in responsibility of speech. Somebody who accepts the role of "reviewer" also accepts the responsibility of that role. On the other hand, I rather like "Mindless Guitar Wankery" as a possible album title. Kind of zen-like, eh? Perhaps add a few more words (borrowed with apologies from Denis Taaffe): "Post-modern Mindless Guitar Wankery: Volumn XXXVI" and you've got it! I echo other folk's advice: Keep playing. Don't let the jerks get you down. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 14:13:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23493; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:11:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:11:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011801c29645$aa68cd20$1a494ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <131.17a1ced3.2b165db3@aol.com> Subject: Re: my first bad review/ALBUM inquery (Steve L.) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:49:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >There are certain people whose take on what I do helps me to > >see what I'm doing - there's a review of my first album up at > >www.krimson-news.com in Sid Smith's diary entry at the moment > > Well, since you won't post the review yourself so everyone can read it > without going and hunting for it -- I will (hope you don't mind). > > From Sid Smith at: http://diaries.krimson-news.com/SidSmith.shtml ...Don't mind at all - any other promotional help you care to give, gratefully received (or you can just join the street team via my site... :o) The other two reviews I refered to are linked via the 'interviews and reviews' page on my site... There's also an interview with me up at http://www.forevernow.com - it's a Level 42 site... I recently had an er, 'interesting' encounter with some guy who posted an abusive non-review on the guestbook on my site - said he didn't like what I did at the L42 gig (fair enough), and then said 'if I'd known there wasn't a support act I'd have arrived at 9pm...' - which is clearly just an insult, not constructive or helpful at all... so I deleted it, and he got all upset and accused me of censorship.. LOL - like, I'm really obliged to pander to the loony ramblings of someone I don't know, have never met, have no connection with beyond him seeing me in concert and not enjoying it... er, riiiight... It's weird how people feel almost compelled to be personally abusive about the musician if they don't like the music... very odd indeed... I've got lots of friends who aren't hugely into what I do (too far outside of their frame of reference), and I'm sure there are plenty of people who enjoy what I do who I wouldn't particularly want to invite to stay in my house... It's a weird one, the assumed link between music I don't like and people I don't like... I'd put a review that accuses you of 'mindless guitar wankery' in the insulting and not worth considering category, myself... Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 14:16:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23959; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:15:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:15:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1038424507!52412 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA947@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: [looper's] mr lawson Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:09:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C29648.8020F350" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29648.8020F350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>my album is widely available via my website... :o) secure CC ordering, or a mail order form for cheques/Postal orders... ...bizarrely enough, I was actually playing at that gig, before Kevin Ayers!! ROTFL I was on doing the 'Fripp on G3' slot from when doors opened... arse arse and arse again. and we thought we'd showed up in time. they should've mentioned your peculiar offerings a bit more prominently on the publicity and then we would've got there in time..... funny, we were recalling mr fripp's own session in the foyer- I think it was march '96- with the pictures of his mum on his flight cases. he would get up and walk around, chatting to his tech, while the wall-of-loop carried on without him. anyway. I have visited the site (what became of y'r jam-man?) and done the CC thing, so now I'm looking forward to an hour or so of mindless bass wankery ;-} duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. 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>>my album is widely available via my website... :o= ) secure CC ordering, or a mail order form for cheques/Postal orders...

...bizarrely enough, I was actually playing at that gig, = before Kevin
Ayers!! ROTFL I was on doing the 'Fripp on G3' slot from= when doors
opened...

arse arse and arse again. and we thought we'd showed up i= n time. they should've mentioned your peculiar offerings a bit more promine= ntly on the publicity and then we would've got there in time..... funny, we= were recalling mr fripp's own session in the foyer- I think it was march '= 96- with the pictures of his mum on his flight cases. he would get up and w= alk around, chatting to his tech, while the wall-of-loop carried on without= him.

anyway. I have visited the site (what became of y'r jam-m= an?) and done the CC thing, so now I'm looking forward to an hour or so of = mindless bass wankery ;-}

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C29648.8020F350-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 14:36:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25049; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:34:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:34:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.104.22.70] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: my first bad review Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 11:31:50 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Nov 2002 19:31:54.0045 (UTC) FILETIME=[A425CED0:01C2964B] Resent-Message-ID: <1JcSC.A.THG.Q5R59@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, when you something to be reviewed, you're asking for an opinion from an unbiased pair of ears. Unfortunately, if all reviews were positive, the process would be an empty gesture. The problem is, there are some bad reviewers out there, who either pan everything or spend all their time kissing the butts of artists who are already "hip". My advice would be to consider his points, determine which of them have merit, then figure out which of those could be improved, and which ones can't be fixed without comprimising what's unique about your music. Also consider that music that requires a technical understanding of the process (for example, knowing what "looping" is) is often a hard sell to non-musicians. Personally, I know most reviewers would rip into my cd's too. The last time a record store reviewed one of my cd's, they listened to the first track and said, "Ho hum, more digital click-noise." Having heard a large number of demo cd's given to me by fellow musicians, the #1 piece of advice I can offer is QUALITY IS BETTER THAN QUANTITY! I have a number of 70 minute cd's that would get played a lot more if they were 40-60 minutes of the best tracks of the recording session, rather than 70-80 minutes of everything the musician has recorded since their last CD. That makes a BIG difference. It's much better for an audience to listen to a 45 minute cd and want to hear more than to listen to a 70 minute cd and feel oversaturated. Matt Davignon _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 14:51:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26018; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:49:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:49:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013901c2964e$0d7b38f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: who likes kyma? Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:49:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <88-NpC.A.bWG.VHS59@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Has Kyma made its way to Europe at all? Or is it a 110V only unit? Oh, yes, it's definitely in Europe. Some Kyma users/projects are listed here: http://www.symbolicsound.com/eighth-news.html and http://www.symbolicsound.com/eighth-userDir.html and for chuckles: http://www.symbolicsound.com/ssc-newsComment.html (No, that is *not* me.) Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 15:10:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28633; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:09:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:09:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021127200922.44784.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:09:22 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: my first bad review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Freedom of speech" is OK in principal, but there can be other factors that influence a review as well. I used to write the occasional review for Showcase, an arts & entertainment magazine in the Seacoast New Hampshire area (midway between Boston and Portland, ME) and I definitely had an agenda regarding local artists: in the interest of supporting the "scene" and helping local acts build a following, I was reluctant to say anything negative about local acts. If the CD was "good", I would praise it, while if it was just plain bad, I would pass on the review and not say anything at all. While weaknesses would be mentioned, I'd always make sure to balance them by finding and emphasizing the artists' strengths as well. Maybe the sense of community we share at LD has caused me to see US in the same light; we're local, but just not necessarily geographically close! Also, with the right to an opinion, the reviewer also has the responsibility to have his facts straight. A review for an album that I played on harped on the fact that the singer was using a "phony British accent", and dismissed the whole album on the basis of one song, or rather, one *word* in one song. Turns out that his opinion was based on mishearing the word "glossy" (describing photographs) as "glassy" which didn't even make sense in context, so he slagged the album, which otherwise got very positive reviews. The band posted the bad review on their site all the same, though, because it looked really funny next to the others. No less a pundit than Gene Simmons once said regarding critics "I don't care what they're saying about me, as long as they're talking about me." -t- --- Scott Hansen wrote: > i do believe in "freedom of speech". a reviewer has > the right > to say what ever they believe-whether good or bad. > freedom comes w/ good and bad. > i always say: freedom is a dangerous thing. > also, one must take things in stride too. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 15:24:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29514; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:21:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:21:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-3.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1038428480!1582 Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA948@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [looper's] RE: my first bad review Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 20:15:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C29651.C0A3E8C0" Resent-Message-ID: <_tqHZD.A.ENH.hlS59@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29651.C0A3E8C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>No less a pundit than Gene Simmons once said regarding critics "I don't care what they're saying about me, as long as they're talking about me."<< and he should know a thing or two about tongue-wagging..... d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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>>No less a pundit than Gene Simmons once said regarding
critics "I don't care what they're saying about me, as
long as they're talking about me."<<

and he should know a thing or two about tongue-wagging.....
d.



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C29651.C0A3E8C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 16:08:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00717; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:05:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:05:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:05:20 -0800 Subject: Re: improv with others From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021127162655.80360.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've certainly been tempted by the SRM 450. My problem with that approach is two-fold: First, it leaves me with a bigger rig when the whole point was to try to be more portable. Second, it seems like overkill a lot of the time. For those who have these speakers, how well do they work at reasonably low -- i.e., home studio -- volumes? For a really compact, DG-Stomp based solution, it's too bad that the DG60FX (i.e., the DG-Stomp in a combo amp, not the original DG60) doesn't have an effects loop. At least I don't think it does. So, I could spend $700 and get the really versatile SRM 450 but end up with one more thing to haul around. Or I could spend $600 and get a DG-80 and stick an EDP in the effects loop when looking for a mobile solution. Of course, I guess I should offset its mobility with the absence of floor control unless I add a MIDI controller... Mark on 11/27/02 8:26 AM, Greg House at ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote: > Yeah, I thought of that just after sending the msg. I figured it wasn't worth > adding another reply. > > I was thinking of adding a powered PA speaker (maybe a pair) for that, perhaps > a > Mackie SRM 450. Or a smaller, lighter, less expensive option would be a Tech21 > Power Engine 60 (basically a simple power amp & a guitar speaker in a box, > like a > combo amp with no preamp) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 16:33:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02369; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:32:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:32:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:31:36 EST Subject: srm 450's To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a7.2aa31404.2b1693b8_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: <8uWs3C.A.7k.JoT59@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a7.2aa31404.2b1693b8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/27/02 4:06:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes: > For those who have these > speakers, how well do they work at reasonably low -- i.e., home studio -- > volumes? > it depends on how "loud" you can get in your studio.....for me to play them so they sound good, i am too loud for my setting ( third floor of old house, bedrooms right below).....now this is not really "loud" but.....now when you take them to a gig where you can crank them (not go crazy mind you) they are imosho steller.....they are overkill in a small studio setting but i still love mine and no amp to boot!.....i did look at that tech 21 speaker on their site, very interesting (the powerball 60 or something like that).....:).....michael --part1_a7.2aa31404.2b1693b8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/27/02 4:06:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes:


For those who have these
speakers, how well do they work at reasonably low -- i.e., home studio --
volumes?


it depends on how "loud" you can get in your studio.....for me to play them so they sound good, i am too loud for my setting ( third floor of old house, bedrooms right below).....now this is not really "loud" but.....now when you take them to a gig where you can crank them (not go crazy mind you) they are imosho steller.....they are overkill in a small studio setting but i still love mine and no amp to boot!.....i did look at that tech 21 speaker on their site, very interesting (the powerball 60 or something like that).....:).....michael --part1_a7.2aa31404.2b1693b8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 17:17:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06186; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 17:10:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 17:10:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:10:45 -0800 Subject: Re: [looper's] mr lawson From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA944@LON-MAIL07> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 11/27/02 10:35 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com at goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > hmm.. well, much as I like kevin ayers, I have to ask why we had to endure the > latter's under-prepared set prior to 21csb's appearance at the royal festival > hall, instead of the former.... I'm guessing that it was a mass-market > get-all-the-ageing-prog-fans-in tactic. ayers' set was a misery of untuned > guitars and (apparently) disinterested pickup-talent who'd just about learned > some of his "hits". still got a great voice though but. Come now. Can't you say something nice? Even the comment about his voice is immediately undercut. Next think I know, you'll accuse Kevin Ayers of wankery. ;-) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 17:26:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07178; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 17:23:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 17:23:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.120.98.166] From: "James Winger" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Dave Coffin - you're my hero Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:22:39 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Nov 2002 22:22:40.0018 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F393720:01C29663] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd just like to extend thanks to Dave Coffin for helping my with my DL8000R manual quest. It took him a full 15 minutes to respond with help to my request(given maybe 2 minutes to read my mail and 3 mintes to reply, that leaves 10 minutes where he was slacking -- I forgive him) That's why I like the loop community thanks Dave Jim Winger _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 19:10:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18107; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:08:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:08:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021128000729.15185.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:07:29 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: improv with others To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Now that we are talking portability has anyone tried the Roland VG 88 live?Seems ideal; amp simulation, open tunings, effects synths... all in one box.Combining this with the EDP or Repeater could be interesting... L.a. > I've certainly been tempted by the SRM 450. My > problem with that approach is > two-fold: > > First, it leaves me with a bigger rig when the whole > point was to try to be > more portable. > > Second, it seems like overkill a lot of the time. > For those who have these > speakers, how well do they work at reasonably low -- > i.e., home studio -- > volumes? > > For a really compact, DG-Stomp based solution, it's > too bad that the DG60FX > (i.e., the DG-Stomp in a combo amp, not the original > DG60) doesn't have an > effects loop. At least I don't think it does. > > So, I could spend $700 and get the really versatile > SRM 450 but end up with > one more thing to haul around. Or I could spend $600 > and get a DG-80 and > stick an EDP in the effects loop when looking for a > mobile solution. Of > course, I guess I should offset its mobility with > the absence of floor > control unless I add a MIDI controller... > > Mark > > on 11/27/02 8:26 AM, Greg House at > ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote: > > > Yeah, I thought of that just after sending the > msg. I figured it wasn't worth > > adding another reply. > > > > I was thinking of adding a powered PA speaker > (maybe a pair) for that, perhaps > > a > > Mackie SRM 450. Or a smaller, lighter, less > expensive option would be a Tech21 > > Power Engine 60 (basically a simple power amp & a > guitar speaker in a box, > > like a > > combo amp with no preamp) > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 20:36:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25569; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 20:36:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 20:36:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Skylabpr@aol.com Message-ID: <141.3a761bf.2b16ccde@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 20:35:26 EST Subject: Re: AdrenaLinn for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_141.3a761bf.2b16ccde_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 8.0 for Windows US sub 230 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_141.3a761bf.2b16ccde_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is it still avilable? I'am interested. --part1_141.3a761bf.2b16ccde_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is it still avilable? I'am interested. --part1_141.3a761bf.2b16ccde_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 21:46:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29895; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 21:43:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 21:43:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:40:40 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: improv with others To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DE58228.545F43F7@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20021126170232.88165.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20021126190008.036e9b20@icicle.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not sure what a "sidstation" is, but let me tell you, the AdrenaLinn is an instrument level device. I have it almost all the way down and my Steinberger is nearly clipping the input on loud strums. One of the dissapointments is that it wasn't line level. However, it will do line level out. I think the amp models are pretty good, but need some tweaking and sound a bit better before a guitar amp IMO. I mostly use it for the filters and modulation effects and in that respect, it's quite the amazing beast. Lot's of room for mangleage. The only reason I sold mine is because my Lexicon MPX1 really does more of what I needed it to do, and I don't care about the drum machine and amp models. Mark Sottilaro Duke Sexton wrote: > At 03:26 PM 11/26/2002 -0700, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > >At 09:02 AM 11/26/2002 -0800, Greg House wrote: > >> > >>What's your mini-rig got in it? > > >Steinberger M series 6 string > > > >Roland GR30 > >Digitech GNX2 > >AdrenaLinn > >Electrix Repeater > > Mark, > > What are your impressions of the AdrenaLinn so far? > > I'm considering getting one to put downstream of my Elektron Sidstation. I > figure I could come up with some wicked TB303-style basslines by routing it > through the amp/distortion models on the AdrenaLinn, and the filters should > help warm up some of the edges on the SID chip. > > At least that's the theory on paper... ;) > > -c- > > _____ > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 21:48:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30074; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 21:45:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 21:45:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <146.3a7d2d0.2b16dd61@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 21:45:53 EST Subject: Honey Barbara french web site spam To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: <8baqrC.A.0VH.lNY59@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, Here's a new web site for the re release of Honey Barbara "I-10 & W. Ave." cd. http://www.doradorovitch.com/fiche_artiste.php3?art=12 Peace! Sidlo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 22:16:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01027; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 22:15:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 22:15:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:12:44 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: my first bad review/ALBUM inquery To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DE589AC.69DC07EB@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA930@LON-MAIL07> <00a001c29627$478848c0$1a494ed5@bigboy> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was once replaced at the last minute in a band that was going on at a music fest. It took me a long time to realize that I just wasn't really all that good, and the guy I was being replaced by was better. I just saw it as my friends deserting me. I later realized it was me failing. The other side of "getting on with the business of making music" is asking your self the hard questions: Do I suck? If the answer is yes, and it sometimes is, then you owe it to your self to admit it and work harder to not suck. In this case, you should inwardly thank the critic, or the guys that kicked you out of their band. In my case, I realized one of the reasons I wasn't working hard on the music was because we were doing only covers and it wasn't that interesting to me. When I started doing my own music, the desire to make it sound better is what drove me from suck to mediocraty. There used to be a lot of expensive gear between a musician and a record lathe. Yes, that's right. LATHE. (I've actually LATHED a piece of aluminum and vinyl kids! I had to walk 10 mi in the snow to do it!) Now, it's not that way any more. Almost anyone can afford the couple hundred it takes to burn a CD. However, not everyone should. That's just reality. The good thing is we're going to get a lot more diversity, the bad thing is we're going to get a lot more hacks. It's probably worth it. I'd trade lower production values for more interesting music any day. One thing you'll find is that few people will go out of your way to say you suck, unless you're their compitition. If this person's brother and the reviewer both came to the same conclusion, I think it's worth it to take heed and figure out what's happening with people's perception of your music. Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Of course there is always the possibility that you suck, and that the review > is doing you a favour, but unless they provide irrefutable proof that they > totally understand what you're doing and still don't like it, you are far > better of ignoring lazy put-downs like 'mindless guitar wankery', and > getting on with the business of making music. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 22:19:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01923; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 22:19:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 22:19:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:16:39 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: my first bad review/ALBUM inquery To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DE58A97.CB190BB5@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20021127171647.25519.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> <00e501c2963a$23d18b40$1a494ed5@bigboy> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My I ask a question? How did this reviewer come to review this album? I'm sure he wasn't just doing it for fun. He was getting paid in some way. No? You can't treat a review like this like comments made on a list such as this. Totally different. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 27 22:29:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02610; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 22:29:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 22:29:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:26:35 -0800 From: Mark Subject: Re: srm 450's To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DE58CEB.E3BB04EB@zerocrossing.net> Organization: zerocrossing inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Frankly, though people rave about these as being possible studio monitors, they are not. I find my trusty Infinity SM series speakers and an old Harmon Kardon amp work much better in a small studio enviornment. With the amout of gigging I do, I sometimes wonder if I'd have been better off with Mackie studio monitors instead. When people come over to play, I do bring out the SRM450. I must say, they sounded much, much better than the JBLs of the same size. They're not that heavy either. Mark Sottilaro Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/27/02 4:06:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, > mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes: > > > >> For those who have these >> speakers, how well do they work at reasonably low -- i.e., home >> studio -- >> volumes? > > it depends on how "loud" you can get in your studio.....for me to play > them so they sound good, i am too loud for my setting ( third floor of > old house, bedrooms right below).....now this is not really "loud" > but.....now when you take them to a gig where you can crank them (not > go crazy mind you) they are imosho steller.....they are overkill in a > small studio setting but i still love mine and no amp to boot!.....i > did look at that tech 21 speaker on their site, very interesting (the > powerball 60 or something like that).....:).....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 28 00:07:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10192; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:07:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:07:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c2969c$1f7ac7c0$067b2dd5@tin.it> From: "Amleto" To: References: <20021126170232.88165.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20021126190008.036e9b20@icicle.net> Subject: Insert mode on loopers... Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 06:07:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hy, i was thinking this: does anybody know if in any harware looper is there available an insert mode, so that while this mode is activated if you press record while a loop is playing it will insert the new sound in the middle of the loop from where you started recording? Even if you recorded a silence? Also, in every looper i know the lenght of aloop is determined by the first sound recorded on the empty loop. So, if further you want to record a longer phrase you can't if not as in repeater by multiplying a track or generating a silence at is end. Both unfortunately unexact methods, because you can't know a priori how long it will be the new pfrase, not if you want to improvise quickly. Does anybody know if in any looper there is a way to avoid this? Well, also, in repeater there are four track per loop. You can record a longer sound at first, on track one, and then a shorte one on track two. Supposing they are starting together, the one in track two will end before and will have to wait the first one to start again with it. Do you know if in repeater or in other loopers or sampler able to have separates tracks is there a way to let the shorter track reapeat itself just when it ends, without waiting the longer one? Oh, idea, it could be done by multiplying the shorter track... Well, but, if the shorter track is the second that you've recorded, if multiplying it you will overpass the lenght of the first track, how can you do it if it says that the lenght of the loop is the one determined by the first track recorded? Mmm... Ciao, Sergio... ps: is there another hardware looper able to control separately many tracks as repeater does? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 28 00:23:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10977; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:22:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:22:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <65.308f5ad.2b17022a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:22:50 EST Subject: Re: Honey Barbara french web site spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_65.308f5ad.2b17022a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_65.308f5ad.2b17022a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/27/02 9:47:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, Jhsidlo@aol.com writes: > http://www.doradorovitch.com/fiche_artiste.php3?art=12 > james.....im relistening again to this very cd "I-10 & W. Ave." as i sit here.....WONDERFUL.....michael --part1_65.308f5ad.2b17022a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/27/02 9:47:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, Jhsidlo@aol.com writes:


http://www.doradorovitch.com/fiche_artiste.php3?art=12


james.....im relistening again to this very cd "I-10 & W.
Ave."
as i sit here.....WONDERFUL.....michael --part1_65.308f5ad.2b17022a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 28 00:54:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12514; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:53:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:53:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <99.3070da13.2b170965@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:53:41 EST Subject: zoom 2100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: <65l2l.A.cDD.r9a59@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 
just pulled my zoom out of hiding.....the sounds totally suck but you can do 
some damage with the three 5sec. loops also the ring mod. sound is pretty 
crazy.....i now have one out on my guitar going into the zoom going into the 
mackie mixer and out on an effect send to the electrix mo-fx > digi space 
station >rang ( the rang has 2 outs, the aux. goes back into the mackie, the 
second out > filter factory > warp factory > air-fx > back into the 
mackie.....the other effect send on the mackie goes to an alesis quadraverb 2 
(which has up to a 5 sec. looper in it).....i think im in trouble, it will 
take some work to tame this beast.....if you see a 2100 cheap get it, its a 
cool little box.....dont be afraid to unplg your entire system and put it 
back together differently.....my set-up was the same for so long, now im 
smackin it together in more "enjoyable"  ways.....the "piezo" out on my 
guitar now goes into a sans amp gt-2 into the mackie.....i love effect 
sends!.....it was great fun playing with that stripped down set-up this past 
weekend, but im finding i enjoy the BIG sound too much.....a 
curse.....:).....michael

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At 09:07 PM 11/27/2002, Amleto wrote:
>Hy,
>i was thinking this:
>does anybody know if in any harware looper is there available an insert
>mode, so that while this mode is activated if you press record while a loop
>is playing it will insert the new sound in the middle of the loop from where
>you started recording? Even if you recorded a silence?
>Also, in every looper i know the lenght of aloop is determined by the first
>sound recorded on the empty loop. So, if further you want to record a longer
>phrase you can't if not as in repeater by multiplying a track or generating
>a silence at is end. Both unfortunately unexact methods, because you can't
>know a priori how long it will be the new pfrase, not if you want to
>improvise quickly.
>Does anybody know if in any looper there is a way to avoid this?

these are basic features of the Gibson Echoplex. More info is on the LD 
tools page:

http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html


>Well, also, in repeater there are four track per loop. You can record a
>longer sound at first, on track one, and then a shorte one on track two.
>Supposing they are starting together, the one in track two will end before
>and will have to wait the first one to start again with it. Do you know if
>in repeater or in other loopers or sampler able to have separates tracks is
>there a way to let the shorter track reapeat itself just when it ends,
>without waiting the longer one?
>Oh, idea, it could be done by multiplying the shorter track...

Multiply is a common way to do this in real-time, since it is very easy to 
manage while you are otherwise playing something else. This functio is very 
simple to do in the echoplex. It is also possible in the repeater, but not 
so easy to use in real time. In either case the two elements need to have 
an integer ratio between them.

>ps: is there another hardware looper able to control separately many tracks
>as repeater does?

DJRND has many more tracks than Repeater:
http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/DJRND3/DJRND3.html

but I don't think it has an Insert or Multiply function.

kim



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Sorry, it was snapped up minutes after the post.  However, there are a
couple still on ebay.  It's a great box, I think you'll enjoy one.


Good luck,

Mark Sottilaro

Skylabpr@aol.com wrote:

> Is it still avilable? I'am interested.

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One of the greatest live concerts I have ever seen was Meredith Monk's opera
"Atlas" presented at the Brooklyn Academy of Music several years ago.  To
me, this opera was inspired and original and beautifully executed on every
level -- I can't say enough about how it affected me.
The New York Times review was a total pan -- not just an even-handed
criticism, but an almost vicious, insulting putdown of everything Meredith
Monk was about.
I always felt that reviewer should have excused himself from reviewing
Monk's opera because  he obviously had no feeling for her style -- his
aesthetic prefereces were just too far away from Monk's for there to be any
common ground.  
It's funny because I've participated in concerts reviewed by the Times that
I didn't think were very good, and got treated with velvet gloves -- perhaps
something that fits in with a critic's ideas of what's interesting or "good"
stylistically or even fashionably is much more likely to be well reviewed,
even if not so well realized, than something outside of their preconceived
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One of the greatest live concerts I have ever seen was Meredith Monk's oper=
a "Atlas" presented at the Brooklyn Academy of Music several years=
 ago.  To me, this opera was inspired and original and beautifully exec=
uted on every level -- I can't say enough about how it affected me.

The New York Times review was a total pan -- not just an even-handed critic=
ism, but an almost vicious, insulting putdown of everything Meredith Monk wa=
s about.

I always felt that reviewer should have excused himself from reviewing Monk=
's opera because  he obviously had no feeling for her style -- his aest=
hetic prefereces were just too far away from Monk's for there to be any comm=
on ground.  

It's funny because I've participated in concerts reviewed by the Times that=
 I didn't think were very good, and got treated with velvet gloves -- perhap=
s something that fits in with a critic's ideas of what's interesting or &quo=
t;good" stylistically or even fashionably is much more likely to be wel=
l reviewed, even if not so well realized, than something outside of their pr=
econceived areas of acceptance.





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 SGRUNT!!!
eh eh eh eh eh, thank You  Kim, really. I sayd sgrunt because now i'm more
confused than ever! It seems that all manufacturer had a summit much time
ago, talked about what were all the possibilities of a looping machine, and
then decided to divide them between themselves, so that there is not one
machine able to do all. Repeater has got four tracks, so that i can control
each track volume and also manage overdubbing in many ways. While Echoplex
can't (unless it can recognize each overdub to regulate some parametes for
each one, as well as if undo function can choose to undo not the last
overdub but for example the one done four times before. I haven't read the
manual yet..., i had no money to buy an echoplex...)
but it can, you say, now i will read manual to understand how, insert a
sound in the middle of a loop and allow overdubbings longers than the first
sound reorded. I would like so much to be able to have a looper with both
repeater and echoplex features...
Maybe one day...
I can't get enough informations about groove machines (phrase
samplers+looper+sequencer) to understand wich of the funcionalities of a
real looper as echoplex or repeater get lost on those machines. I can
understand how they loop, if it is possible or not to record audio live, in
real time, and then instantly play it back as a loop or if each time you
record on a sample pad you have then to press it manually to get it loop. I
also have no idea on what is the task of a sequencer or what is the
difference between a step sequencer and a real time one, and many things
that makes it difficult to me to understand by theory what does a machine do
and to decide which one or which ones to buy...
Again sgrunt...
And again thanks.
Sergio

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kim Flint" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: Insert mode on loopers...


> At 09:07 PM 11/27/2002, Amleto wrote:
> >Hy,
> >i was thinking this:
> >does anybody know if in any harware looper is there available an insert
> >mode, so that while this mode is activated if you press record while a
loop
> >is playing it will insert the new sound in the middle of the loop from
where
> >you started recording? Even if you recorded a silence?
> >Also, in every looper i know the lenght of aloop is determined by the
first
> >sound recorded on the empty loop. So, if further you want to record a
longer
> >phrase you can't if not as in repeater by multiplying a track or
generating
> >a silence at is end. Both unfortunately unexact methods, because you
can't
> >know a priori how long it will be the new pfrase, not if you want to
> >improvise quickly.
> >Does anybody know if in any looper there is a way to avoid this?
>
> these are basic features of the Gibson Echoplex. More info is on the LD
> tools page:
>
> http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html
>
>
> >Well, also, in repeater there are four track per loop. You can record a
> >longer sound at first, on track one, and then a shorte one on track two.
> >Supposing they are starting together, the one in track two will end
before
> >and will have to wait the first one to start again with it. Do you know
if
> >in repeater or in other loopers or sampler able to have separates tracks
is
> >there a way to let the shorter track reapeat itself just when it ends,
> >without waiting the longer one?
> >Oh, idea, it could be done by multiplying the shorter track...
>
> Multiply is a common way to do this in real-time, since it is very easy to
> manage while you are otherwise playing something else. This functio is
very
> simple to do in the echoplex. It is also possible in the repeater, but not
> so easy to use in real time. In either case the two elements need to have
> an integer ratio between them.
>
> >ps: is there another hardware looper able to control separately many
tracks
> >as repeater does?
>
> DJRND has many more tracks than Repeater:
> http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/DJRND3/DJRND3.html
>
> but I don't think it has an Insert or Multiply function.
>
> kim
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
> kflint@loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-delight.com
>
>
>

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hi,

i nearly cry just thinking about this

from the article linked below:

In LQG, reality is built of loops that interact and combine to form
so-called spin networks-- first envisioned by English mathematician Roger
Penrose in the 1960s as abstract graphs. Smolin and Rovelli used standard
techniques to quantize the equations of general relativity and in doing so
discovered Penrose's networks buried in the math. The nodes and edges of
these graphs carry discrete units of area and volume, giving rise to three-
dimensional quantum space. But because the theorists started with
relativity, they were still left with some semblance of a space outside the
quantum networks.

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=0007E95C-9597-1DC9-AF71809EC588EE
DF&catID=2

have a nice and loopy day

omjn

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yes, please do, dennis

t.

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> I know there's some Kyma users in NY.  Can I forward your question/request
> to Symbolic Sound?  They can probably put you in touch with some area
> Kyma-ites.
> 
> Dennis Leas
> -------------------
> dennis@mail.worldserver.com
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
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> 
> 
>> do we have any kyma-users and lovers in New York?  anyone love it so much
>> they'd consider meeting for coffee and a demo?
>> 
>> this latest site for emulation software has my interest peaked...
>> 
>> best,
>> 
>> todd reynolds
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

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yes, dennis, please do...

t.

On 11/27/02 1:24 PM, "Dennis Leas"  wrote:

> I know there's some Kyma users in NY.  Can I forward your question/request
> to Symbolic Sound?  They can probably put you in touch with some area
> Kyma-ites.
> 
> Dennis Leas
> -------------------
> dennis@mail.worldserver.com
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
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> 
> 
>> do we have any kyma-users and lovers in New York?  anyone love it so much
>> they'd consider meeting for coffee and a demo?
>> 
>> this latest site for emulation software has my interest peaked...
>> 
>> best,
>> 
>> todd reynolds
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

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>On the other hand, I rather like "Mindless Guitar Wankery" as a 
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Hi everyone, I am new to this group and i'd like to introduce myself. I perform under the namd Potpie in New Orleans, I am definitely intimidated by the gear many of you have, I use 3 sine wave generators running through 3 Digitech pds1002 pedals but have just hooked up a double reel to reel delay (no explanation needed for you folks eh?) which sounds very promising although daunting to drag them around for a live set!


>On the other hand, I rather like "Mindless Guitar Wankery" as a 
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Hello,

This is information of our series Internet broadcast live gig from Kobe,Japan.
It called "Live fromFar East".

Vol.15 performance is 30th Nov. 2002

"Yukinori Yamamura Exhibition"

18:00 -20:00 (JST)

You can see our gig via Real Player.
Please visit below:
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"Yukinori Yamamura Exhibition"

Arts and Presentation:
Yukinori Yamamura
http://www.khio.no/yukinori
Sound:
Sunao Inami (Powerbook G4)
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18:00 - 20:00 (JST)
= 9:00 - 11:00 (GMT)
= 1:00 - 3:00 (PST)
= 4:00 - 6:00 (EST)


The World Clock - Time Zones
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/


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Hello,

This is information of our series Internet broadcast live gig from Kobe,Japan.
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Vol.16 performance is 1st Dec. 2002

You can see our gig via Real Player.
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  "Pigmon Last Stand "Gaiden"

Helmut Schafer (from Austria)
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PheromonsterDISK (from Osaka&Amagasaki)
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/365/pheromonsterdisk.html

Sunao Inami (from Kobe)
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19:00 - 21:00 (JST)
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Download fryer
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I'm looking at setting myself up to start burning audio CDs. Any
recommendations on basic audio editing, mastering, CD mastering, etc.
software that works under MacOS X 10.2? I don't particularly need
multi-track support at this point. Just a good way to take 2-track digital
recordings and finish them off into CDs.

Thanks.
Mark

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Mark....
http://www.osxaudio.com/
under Apps: Recorder/Editor
check out Sound Studio or Bias Peak for a 2 track editor.
http://www.roxio.com/
check out Toast 5 Titanium for CD authoring software.
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> Mark




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I'm still running os9 but I guess the same things will apply- the only product I could find for the mac to be able to burn proper red book cds /and/ let you put pq marks on crossfaded tracks without inserting a pause, is adaptec/roxio's "jam", which (naturally enough) runs on top of "toast". installing these on os9 or higher can cause problems because the mac os will see the cd-writer and try to manage it itself; you'll need to disable the extension(s) for usb authoring support. fortunately, this is a lot more obvious and easy on a mac than the equivalent would be on a pc.

if you have access to a pc, though, "cd architect" blows everything else out of the water for making audio cd's to red book, and they just released version5 (after telling us all it was discontinued when we rang sonic foundry to complain about lack of usb and 80 minute support) which does everything. the chief advantage is the waveform display and rudimentary editing- you can split regions and alter levels in cd-arch while jam barely even lets you put in static crossfades. for once, I'll recommend the pc solution.

you might be able to do something clever with a pc-sim though.....

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mark-

I'm still running os9 but I guess the same things will a=
pply- the only product I could find for the mac to be able to burn proper r=
ed book cds /and/ let you put pq marks on crossfaded tracks without inserti=
ng a pause, is adaptec/roxio's "jam", which (naturally enough) ru=
ns on top of "toast". installing these on os9 or higher can cause=
 problems because the mac os will see the cd-writer and try to manage it it=
self; you'll need to disable the extension(s) for usb authoring support. fo=
rtunately, this is a lot more obvious and easy on a mac than the equivalent=
 would be on a pc.



if you have access to a pc, though, "cd architect&qu=
ot; blows everything else out of the water for making audio cd's to red boo=
k, and they just released version5 (after telling us all it was discontinue=
d when we rang sonic foundry to complain about lack of usb and 80 minute su=
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nd rudimentary editing- you can split regions and alter levels in cd-arch w=
hile jam barely even lets you put in static crossfades. for once, I'll reco=
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you might be able to do something clever with a pc-sim th=
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charismac discribe gets my vote for cd burning software - roxio have taken a
bit of a dive in recent times, so nice to steer away from toast/jam.

http://www.charismac.com/Products/Discribe/index.html


os.

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> I'm looking at setting myself up to start burning audio CDs. Any
> recommendations on basic audio editing, mastering, CD mastering, etc.
> software that works under MacOS X 10.2? I don't particularly need
> multi-track support at this point. Just a good way to take 2-track digital
> recordings and finish them off into CDs.
>
> Thanks.
> Mark

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>>Come now. Can't you say something nice? Even the comment about his voice =
is
immediately undercut. Next think I know, you'll accuse Kevin Ayers of
wankery. ;-)<<

ok. he was great on the bbc2 version of "tubular bells". I do like kevin ay=
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hope that clears things up.

and another thing (pt1): I ordered one of steve's cd's, in order to catch u=
p on what I missed at the rfh, and also because I'm a bassist with some loo=
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>>Come now. Can't you say something nice? Even the =
comment about his voice is

immediately undercut. Next think I know, you'll accuse K=
evin Ayers of

wankery. ;-)<<




ok. he was great on the bbc2 version of "tubular bel=
ls". I do like kevin ayers a lot actually, but this was inexcusably un=
der-rehearsed and unprofessional, in front of folks who'd paid =A325 or mor=
e to be there. AND the promoters didn't tell us steve was playing at all. <=
/FONT>



btw, "though but" is a teesside-ism and not a n=
egative thing, rather the opposite.

hope that clears things up.




and another thing (pt1): I ordered one of steve's cd's, i=
n order to catch up on what I missed at the rfh, and also because I'm a bas=
sist with some looping devices, and I'm pretty sure I ordered the live cd (=
"nothing but....") and they've sent me something about a chicken,=
 which I'm sure I'll enjoy just as much, but now I'm wondering if someone e=
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>>these are basic features of the Gibson Echoplex. More info is on the LD 
tools page:<<

the jam-man /and/ the repeater both let you choose between overdub and replace, after some fashion. the repeater also lets you adjust the level of the iteration while overdubbing, so that (in effect) it becomes a long delay line. in this mode, it closely resembles a two-revox setup.
I too would have loved to see a looper with two or more loops of different lengths running simultaneously; I guess that's why I've got two repeaters and two jam-mans.... it sucks that even this measure (n.p.i!) on the part of their respective designers couldn't prevent both boxes going out of production. if I see another jam-man up for grabs, I'll grab it. nice and simple.

so- the extended functionality software for the jam-man- is it guitarist-friendly?

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>>these are basic features of the Gibson Echoplex. =
More info is on the LD 

tools page:<<




the jam-man /and/ the repeater both let you choose betwee=
n overdub and replace, after some fashion. the repeater also lets you adjus=
t the level of the iteration while overdubbing, so that (in effect) it beco=
mes a long delay line. in this mode, it closely resembles a two-revox setup=
.



I too would have loved to see a looper with two or more l=
oops of different lengths running simultaneously; I guess that's why I've g=
ot two repeaters and two jam-mans.... it sucks that even this measure (n.p.=
i!) on the part of their respective designers couldn't prevent both boxes g=
oing out of production. if I see another jam-man up for grabs, I'll grab it=
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>>charismac discribe gets my vote for cd burning software - roxio have taken a
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still doesn't seem to offer visibility of the actual waveform for editing and marking-up purposes. in fact, it looks almost the same as "jam". 
if only cd-architect was available for the mac..... there are plenty of ways to put files onto a disc in red-book form, and even some that let you put the pq's where you want, but only cd-arch has the functionality I'd want from a mastering tool.

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>>charismac discribe gets my vote for cd burning so=
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bit of a dive in recent times, so nice to steer away fro=
m toast/jam.<<






still doesn't seem to offer visibility of the actual wave=
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if only cd-architect was available for the mac..... there=
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Hi guys,

On the subject of apps for mac, I'm desparately searching for a midi 
clock generator for OS9.x

I'm trying to set up Reason to work with the Repeater, but 
unfortunately, the Repeater's midi clock out is predictably unreliable, 
and Reason has no midi clock output. I'm currently using Reason as a 
slave sampler, but would like to experiment in pre-programming some 
rhythm/bass patterns....

I'm looking for a small app that can run in the background and generate 
a midi clock to both Reason and the Repeater. Any ideas?

Cheers :)
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Hi guys,


On the subject of apps for mac, I'm desparately searching for a midi
clock generator for OS9.x


I'm trying to set up Reason to work with the Repeater, but
unfortunately, the Repeater's midi clock out is predictably
unreliable, and Reason has no midi clock output. I'm currently using
Reason as a slave sampler, but would like to experiment in
pre-programming some rhythm/bass patterns....


I'm looking for a small app that can run in the background and
generate a midi clock to both Reason and the Repeater. Any ideas?


Cheers :)
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I do about 80% of my stuff using OSX, and use Bias PEAK (the free 
version) to edit & master the two-track stereo files, and Roxio Toast 
5.1 (or is it Titanium...?) to actually burn the CD's. I've had no 
problems with either.

There is another audio editing tool which is shareware called Amadeus 
(http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macos/7392)... I prefer 
Peak just out of habit and cheapness, but I spent a bit of time with 
this, and it looked good.

There are also a lot of good Midi packages coming out for OSX - 
including a new midi clock generator, a couple of Midi sampler packages 
(check out Rax - for a beta, its incredible), Midi Pipe (for 
altering/changing/creating midi pipes and attributes).....

I just wish that MidiClock was available for OS9...(mutter mutter 
mutter)

On Friday, November 29, 2002, at 06:17 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote:

> I'm looking at setting myself up to start burning audio CDs. Any
> recommendations on basic audio editing, mastering, CD mastering, etc.
> software that works under MacOS X 10.2? I don't particularly need
> multi-track support at this point. Just a good way to take 2-track 
> digital
> recordings and finish them off into CDs.
-- 
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Time-stretched music seems to be of interest to a lot of people on the list. 
Here's someone who's pulled Beethoven's 9th Symphony out to twenty-times its
usual length:

http://www.notam02.no/9/index.html


TH

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At 06:40 PM 11/27/2002 -0800, Mark wrote:
>I'm not sure what a "sidstation" is,

Remember the old Commodore C-64, and what a great sound chip it had for its 
time?  A couple years back, a little startup synth manufacturer out of 
Sweden (Elektron) came up with the idea of building a real working synth 
around that very same sound chip.  They started grabbing up the remaining 
supply of the existing MOS6581 (SID) chips, and putting them together in a 
case with a dedicated synthesizer control architecture around them.  You 
can check it out over at http://www.sidstation.com.

>but let me tell you, the AdrenaLinn is an
>instrument level device.  I have it almost all the way down and my Steinberger
>is nearly clipping the input on loud strums.  One of the dissapointments is
>that it wasn't line level.  However, it will do line level out.

Whup, sounds like that's one I'm going to have to watch out for.  This 
thing is line level out and it is *hot*.  I may have to rig up some gear 
(i.e. compressor) in between the two in order to prevent distortion on the 
input of the AdrenaLinn.

>I think the amp models are pretty good, but need some tweaking and sound a bit
>better before a guitar amp IMO.  I mostly use it for the filters and 
>modulation
>effects and in that respect, it's quite the amazing beast.  Lot's of room for
>mangleage.

Mangleage is always good (very good -- heh!).  But I'm hoping for something 
that can help me get a leash on this little beast as well.  The Sidstation 
can be amazingly subtle, but just as often it can slice through a mix like 
a hot knife melting butter.  And here I used to think of the old Arp's 
(like the Odyssey or Axxe) as being good for piercing leads.  My Sid can 
make those synths look downright tame in comparison.

In addition to the most excellent filter and mod effects, I was hoping the 
AdrenaLinn's amp models might be able to warm up the sound a bit, and add 
some grundge without lapsing over into "bumblebee"-territory fuzz (i can 
already add some distortion by overdriving the internal circuitry, but that 
pushes the sidstation even further into glass-cutting territory; i'm 
looking instead for a bit of warm crunch).

Oh, and how well does the AdrenaLinn's built-in noise gate work?  One of 
the unfortunate side-effects of the Sid chip is that it's notorious for 
digital noise (i.e. the envelopes close all the way down, yet you can still 
hear the sound in the background).  Elektron has done a lot to mitigate 
this through the rest of the box (it's dead silent compared to the old 
C-64's themselves), but even they recommend a noise gate to deal with this 
final bit of digital dirt.

>The only reason I sold mine is because my Lexicon MPX1 really does
>more of what I needed it to do, and I don't care about the drum machine 
>and amp
>models.

Hey, thanks bunches for helping me out even though I know you've already 
sold your AdrenaLinn.  Otherwise, I've merely seen the specs and a couple 
of reviews.  But after reading the feature set (gate + amp models + wicked 
filters + FX) it seemed as if it might be a good match for a dedicated 
processor on the Sidstation.

Thanks again!

         -c-

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> the jam-man /and/ the repeater both let you choose between
> overdub and replace, after some fashion. the repeater also
> lets you adjust the level of the iteration while overdubbing,
> so that (in effect) it becomes a long delay line. in this
> mode, it closely resembles a two-revox setup.
>
> I too would have loved to see a looper with two or more
> loops of different lengths running simultaneously; I guess
> that's why I've got two repeaters and two jam-mans.... it
> sucks that even this measure (n.p.i!) on the part of their
> respective designers couldn't prevent both boxes going out
> of production. if I see another jam-man up for grabs, I'll
> grab it. nice and simple.

As a matter of note, the Looper Construction Kit supports "insert" (and
"replace") and many multiple simultaneous loops of different lengths.

Besides a basic iteration attenuator, the examples include several
"mutators" where you can place any arbitrary signal processing (including
outboard boxes) in the iteration loop.  Each time the signal passes through
the loop, more effect is applied.  This effort was inspired by Alvin
Lucier's "I Am Sitting in a Room."  So, for example, you can place a
reverberator in the iteration path to obtain the classic "...Sitting in a
Room" effect.  Or various filters/phasors/waveshapers, etc. to get quite
different effects.

Another way of doing "mutating" is through looping in the frequency domain
instead of the time domain, but that digression is another thread...

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>>you can place any arbitrary signal processing (including outboard boxes) in the iteration loop.  Each time the signal passes through the loop, more effect is applied.<<

I've already had a great deal of fun using the repeater on an aux send and turning the overdub level down so all it hears is what comes back at it from the desk. it's a pretty straightforward matter then to add effects within the iteration path, feeding the repeater back to itself with some eq'ing and an extra effect or two in the way. we used to do this with a pitch shifter and a delay unit, but then I guess most people have heard that one.....

(if any of the internal path is left turned up, a bit of comb-filtering happens; I guess this is because of latency through the d>a and a>d processing on the external path cf the internal path. it's not objectionable though but).

would that something similar were available on the jam-man- our guitarist would love the things even more if they had their own effects loops. his favourite effect at the moment is the tape-delay wobble on the DL4, which certainly does seem to be added in the feedback loop somehow.


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[looper's] RE: Insert mode on loopers...




>>you can place any arbitrary signal processing (in=
cluding outboard boxes) in the iteration loop.  Each time the signal p=
asses through the loop, more effect is applied.<<



I've already had a great deal of fun using the repeater o=
n an aux send and turning the overdub level down so all it hears is what co=
mes back at it from the desk. it's a pretty straightforward matter then to =
add effects within the iteration path, feeding the repeater back to itself =
with some eq'ing and an extra effect or two in the way. we used to do this =
with a pitch shifter and a delay unit, but then I guess most people have he=
ard that one.....



(if any of the internal path is left turned up, a bit of =
comb-filtering happens; I guess this is because of latency through the d>=
;a and a>d processing on the external path cf the internal path. it's no=
t objectionable though but).



would that something similar were available on the jam-ma=
n- our guitarist would love the things even more if they had their own effe=
cts loops. his favourite effect at the moment is the tape-delay wobble on t=
he DL4, which certainly does seem to be added in the feedback loop somehow.=







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i'm having trouble with the 'plex. i just dusted it off for a tour and 
(having gotten it back from gibson repair) and finding that whenever i 
play a loudish note (not coming close to overloading the input) the 
feedback  light lights up and make a digi kind of noise. this ONLY 
happens when i'm recording or over dubbing. if i'm just playing thru 
the unit while not recording, it make none of this noise.  any help 
would be greatly appreciated.

thanks

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Andre and anyone else who's played with this function...

I'm just getting into it, especially in replace mode - have you done any
polyrythmic stuff with switching 8th=? during a piece - any conceptual ideas
to pass on? I'm kind of experimenting with glitchy FSU stuff at the moment,
but wondering about more predictable processes and outcomes...

Anyone with an EDP who hasn't got Loop IV yet, you are missing out on so
many very very cool features... get it, and let the features teach you some
new stuff... :o)

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> Från: Steve Lawson [mailto:steve@steve-lawson.co.uk] 

> you done any polyrythmic stuff with switching 8th=? during a 
> piece - any conceptual ideas to pass on? 

Hi Steve,

Yes, I've been playing around with this a lot lately. I have programmed
a foot controller to change presets in the EDP and most presets are
similar except for the 8th/cycle setting. It's sooo fun ;-) Had me
staying up all night just doing "quantized replace" by 8 8th/cycle and
then changing to 12 8th/cycle and replacing segments on top of that. You
can do any polyrhythmes with this technique.

If you are slaving other midi gear to the EDP, all slaves will play at
half tempo when you dive into half speed mode with the EDP, which might
be cool but not always desirable. The other night this workaround came
into my mind:
 
Program the FCB button you are using for "half speed" (in 8 8th/cycle)
to also call up the EDP program with 16 8th/cycle and then program the
"full speed" FCB button to also call up the 8 8th/cycle EDP program.
This will have all slaved midi gear stay at the same tempo while you go
in and out of half and full speed mode. Just imagine the grooves you can
get from doing "quantized replace" on sixteenths at half speed mode and
then returning to full speed, thus kicking those things up one octave!
This is a killer feature IMHO ;-)

Best wishes

Per Boysen
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I had my first live performance that included looping last night.  It was with a band heavily influenced by the Chicago post rock scene.   I  was talking to a fellow afterwards and he said it was like a mix of Bill Frisell and the Chicago scene. The thing is, I don't sound anything like Bill Frisell. Does everyone who loops guitar automatically sound like Bill Frisell?    I figured the guy was just trying to let me know he was down with the whole looping thing but it got me thinking.  Does anyone here  have problem with people thinking looping is a gimmick? Like it's just another effect pedal that can easily over used.  I've always thought of loopers more as their own instruments rather then just an effect pedal. Mark



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Mark,

don't sweat it - looping is bizarrely one of those things that just doesn't
register on some people's radar as an entity in and of itself. You're either
'like Frisell' or 'doing Frippertronics' or 'making your own backing tapes'
(that's my favourite... ???) or whatever - see it as a chance to evangelise
on behalf of loopists worldwide... you could always direct them to
loopers-delight.com ;o)

some people 'get it' some people don't, some gradually realise... Bottom
line, I'm making music and I hope people dig it, if they don't, I still
do...

cheers

Steve
www.steve-lawson.co.uk

>>> I had my first live performance that included looping last night.  It
was with a band heavily influenced by the Chicago post rock scene.   I  was
talking to a fellow afterwards and he said it was like a mix of Bill Frisell
and the Chicago scene. The thing is, I don't sound anything like Bill
Frisell. Does everyone who loops guitar automatically sound like Bill
Frisell?    I figured the guy was just trying to let me know he was down
with the whole looping thing but it got me thinking.  Does anyone here  have
problem with people thinking looping is a gimmick? Like it's just another
effect pedal that can easily over used.  I've always thought of loopers more
as their own instruments rather then just an effect pedal. Mark<<<


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That sounds like a cool device!  My pal Keith would love something like that, as he
was an early adopter of the Commodore64 for synthesis.

Well, if you've got noise issues, I'd for sure steer clear of the AdrenaLinn,
because you're going to have to make sure it's output is low, as to not distort the
AdrenaLinn's input.  That will further hurt your s/n even though the AdrenaLinn's
noisegate is pretty good. There are, however, ways to pad a hot output, and visa
versa.  I think there was a device discussed on the list that did a back and forth
instrument/line conversion for about $60.  That's one of the issues with the
Repeater's effect loop.

Upon hearing all that you've said, I wonder if maybe the Electrix MoFX and
Filterfactory might be a better solution for what you're craving.  You can probably
get the both of them used for a little more than a new AdrenaLinn.  I've got the
MoFX and it's a nice little workhorse, lot's of knobs to tweak.  I know a bunch of
people who swear by the Filterfactory.  Also, I forgot about the Electrix
Warpfactory.  Fine piece of loop mangeler, that one is.  (it's a vocoder)

You might also look into the Line6 Mod and Filter Pros.  The price went way down on
those ($299), and I think they're set up for line level signals.  I can't vouch for
them, but I read a lot of good reviews on Harmony Central.

good luck,

Mark Sottilaro

Duke Sexton wrote:

> At 06:40 PM 11/27/2002 -0800, Mark wrote:
> >I'm not sure what a "sidstation" is,
>
> Remember the old Commodore C-64, and what a great sound chip it had for its
> time?  A couple years back, a little startup synth manufacturer out of
> Sweden (Elektron) came up with the idea of building a real working synth
> around that very same sound chip.  They started grabbing up the remaining
> supply of the existing MOS6581 (SID) chips, and putting them together in a
> case with a dedicated synthesizer control architecture around them.  You
> can check it out over at http://www.sidstation.com.
>
> >but let me tell you, the AdrenaLinn is an
> >instrument level device.  I have it almost all the way down and my Steinberger
> >is nearly clipping the input on loud strums.  One of the dissapointments is
> >that it wasn't line level.  However, it will do line level out.
>
> Whup, sounds like that's one I'm going to have to watch out for.  This
> thing is line level out and it is *hot*.  I may have to rig up some gear
> (i.e. compressor) in between the two in order to prevent distortion on the
> input of the AdrenaLinn.
>
> >I think the amp models are pretty good, but need some tweaking and sound a bit
> >better before a guitar amp IMO.  I mostly use it for the filters and
> >modulation
> >effects and in that respect, it's quite the amazing beast.  Lot's of room for
> >mangleage.
>
> Mangleage is always good (very good -- heh!).  But I'm hoping for something
> that can help me get a leash on this little beast as well.  The Sidstation
> can be amazingly subtle, but just as often it can slice through a mix like
> a hot knife melting butter.  And here I used to think of the old Arp's
> (like the Odyssey or Axxe) as being good for piercing leads.  My Sid can
> make those synths look downright tame in comparison.
>
> In addition to the most excellent filter and mod effects, I was hoping the
> AdrenaLinn's amp models might be able to warm up the sound a bit, and add
> some grundge without lapsing over into "bumblebee"-territory fuzz (i can
> already add some distortion by overdriving the internal circuitry, but that
> pushes the sidstation even further into glass-cutting territory; i'm
> looking instead for a bit of warm crunch).
>
> Oh, and how well does the AdrenaLinn's built-in noise gate work?  One of
> the unfortunate side-effects of the Sid chip is that it's notorious for
> digital noise (i.e. the envelopes close all the way down, yet you can still
> hear the sound in the background).  Elektron has done a lot to mitigate
> this through the rest of the box (it's dead silent compared to the old
> C-64's themselves), but even they recommend a noise gate to deal with this
> final bit of digital dirt.
>
> >The only reason I sold mine is because my Lexicon MPX1 really does
> >more of what I needed it to do, and I don't care about the drum machine
> >and amp
> >models.
>
> Hey, thanks bunches for helping me out even though I know you've already
> sold your AdrenaLinn.  Otherwise, I've merely seen the specs and a couple
> of reviews.  But after reading the feature set (gate + amp models + wicked
> filters + FX) it seemed as if it might be a good match for a dedicated
> processor on the Sidstation.
>
> Thanks again!
>
>          -c-
>
> _____
> "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back"
>                                                  -recoil

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At 02:17 AM 11/29/2002, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote:

> >>these are basic features of the Gibson Echoplex. More info is on the LD
>tools page:<<
>
>the jam-man /and/ the repeater both let you choose between overdub and 
>replace, after some fashion. the repeater also lets you adjust the level 
>of the iteration while overdubbing, so that (in effect) it becomes a long 
>delay line. in this mode, it closely resembles a two-revox setup.

uh, the question was about an Insert function, which is different from a 
Replace function. With Insert, existing material is not erased. New 
material is inserted into the loop in real-time, and the loop length 
increases. Only the Echoplex has that feature. It allows you the 
flexibility to do Inserts in a rhythmic, rounded-off method so the inserts 
exactly match existing cycle lengths, or an unrounded method where you can 
stop it at any time for the length you choose.

A Replace function on the other hand, erases existing material to replace 
it with the new material, which is a very different technique. The echoplex 
of course does Replace also, with several variations. There is the standard 
toggled Replace, SUSReplace, Quantized Replace (to cycles, loops, or 8ths, 
as Steve was just discussing), the smooth pedal controlled Replace of the 
Replace mode, Soft-Replace using the Flip mode and a control pedal, etc.

In addition to Replace, there is the very similar function called 
Substitute. With Substitute you continue to hear the existing audio as you 
play the new material, and only on the next repetition of the loop is the 
old audio gone and replaced by the new material. This is different from 
Replace, where the existing material drops out immediately while you are 
adding the new material, which can sometimes make it hard to stay in time 
with the loop as you play. Substitute is nice for having some continuity as 
you replace existing material, since you have something to play along with. 
Of course, with substitute your new material needs to fit in somehow with 
the old material since they will both be together for one repeat. In the 
echplex, Substitue also has toggled substitute, SUSsubstitute, quantized 
substitute, and some interesting variations using pedals for the more 
"expert" user modes.

kim



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Hi all,

I've got a Gibson EDP currently using loop 3 software.  I'm trying to set it 
to delay mode and having some issues.  I can set the loop/delay paramater to 
del easy enough... then get out of the paramater modes.. and when I try to 
hit record twice to set delay time (ala the manual) the first hit gives me 
three little circles on the display 0  0  0  and on the second hit the EDP 
goes into a normal record mode.  What am I missing here?

Be gentle, I'm a newbie ;)  Thanks in advance,
Tom

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Greetings, I am new to the list. Many questions:

1- Where can I buy the Echoplex Digital Pro? Are they still being made, or
are they discontinued?

2- I want a device that can sustain notes for a certain period of time -
like the sustain pedal of a piano. What device can do this? (with acoustic
sounds, NOT synth sounds)

3- Has anyone had experience with pitch transposers that are fairly
realistic, and work well? By "work well" I mean that they work well with
voice, and sound realistic.

Thanks!
-- 
Ernie Mansfield
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At 01:40 PM 11/29/2002, DialaThos@aol.com wrote:
>I've got a Gibson EDP currently using loop 3 software.  I'm trying to set it
>to delay mode and having some issues.  I can set the loop/delay paramater to
>del easy enough... then get out of the paramater modes.. and when I try to
>hit record twice to set delay time (ala the manual) the first hit gives me
>three little circles on the display 0  0  0  and on the second hit the EDP
>goes into a normal record mode.  What am I missing here?

you probably have the Threshold parameter turned on, so it is waiting for 
an audio signal before it starts recording. Set the Threshold parameter to 
0 to turn it off.

either that or you have an external sync clock coming in, and the echoplex 
is trying to sync to it.

kim


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A quick heads up for the Evo E-zine - prog/new/interesting music, with two
reviews of gigs that I've done recently on it (support with Schizoids, and
solo bass fest thingie with Michael Manring and David Friesen...)

Not only that but they have an online poll for who you want to see
interviewed/featured/reviewed in the mag... I'm currently at #3 in their
poll, just ahead of King Crimson and Peter Gabriel (!!) so feel free to vote
me up to the top... :o) (Ted Killian is in the list too...)

http://www.geocities.com/evo_music/index.html

check it out, good stuff...

Steve
www.steve-lawson.co.uk (CDs MP3s, mailing list, street team, gig details,
etc. etc.)


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1- Where can I buy the Echoplex Digital Pro? Are they still being made, or
are they discontinued?

www.altomusic.com.  yes.  no.

2- I want a device that can sustain notes for a certain period of time -
like the sustain pedal of a piano. What device can do this? (with acoustic
sounds, NOT synth sounds)

keep your finger on the fret.  or, a simple delay might do what you want.
set the feedback to 65% and the note will ring out and sustain, then fade
away.

 3- Has anyone had experience with pitch transposers that are fairly
realistic, and work well? By "work well" I mean that they work well with
voice, and sound realistic.

like a harmonizer?  eventide is tops.  try tc electronics too.

-jim


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Damn, Steve, you're gonna pull me out of retirement...!

Steve Lawson wrote:

> I'm just getting into it, especially in replace mode - have you done any
> polyrythmic stuff with switching 8th=? during a piece 

I personally haven't, but if you're interested in 8th-quant polyrhythms,
try this on for size:

1) Plug a pedal into the feedback hack
2) Set Insertmode to Substitute
3) Set Interface mode (under "loop/delay" parameters) to either Stutter
or Replace

The reason for number 3 is that, because the pedal controls feedback in
these modes, the actual front panel knob becomes a "Substitute Feedback"
control.  Which simply means that you can adjust how much of the
original loop will still be heard when using Substitute.

If you turn the front feedback knob all the way to the left, then
Substitute will cover up all of the original material in the loop.  If
you turn it all the way to the right, then Substitute basically becomes
Overdub -  you can still hear the original material in the loop after
you perform the Substitute function.

So, you could lay down a 4/4 groove in a single-cycle loop, and then set
8th/cycle to, say, 5.  If you start doing 8th-quantized Substitute
business with the front Feedback knob full right, then you'll get these
5:4 polyrhythms happening, but it'll be a truly audible polyrhythm,
because you'll still be able to hear the original loop content (because
you turned the Feedback knob all the way to the right in Stutter or
Replace mode).

Jesus, that reads a lot more complex than it actuall is, I promise.

> - any conceptual ideas to pass on?

Me?  Conceptual ideas?  What on Earth are you talking about?!  Now if
you'd asked for good beer recommendations...

- I like using 8th-quant with Substitute a lot, because it's a very
surprising, subtle, and smooth way of changing things.  You can play
stuff into the EDP and not have any idea how it's going to sound until
you hear it back.  But because 8th-quant is on, it will automatically
have a highly rhythmic quality.  Kind of like giving glitch-core a nice
suit and a haircut.  (Can you tell I need to get out of the house more? 
And get a haircut?)

It's particularly cool if you set the 8th/cycle value to a higher value
than you could realistically play in real time, i.e. putting 8th/cycle
to 16 at a tempo where one cycle = 180 BPM or so.

- Use some variation when you're doing 8th-quant stuff.  Hold the
replace button down for different lengths of time to introduce some
variation in the length of the replace/substitute action, to get away
from the "step sequencer" feel, and try adding a few drops of silence by
hitting the button without playing anything into it.  

Or try doing lots of replace/substitute in one part of a loop, but
leaving the rest of the loop unaltered, for a sort of post-Timbaland
start-stop effect.  (Dude, I'm giving away all my good tricks here...)

- Like Per said, 8th-quant in conjunction with changing speed is a lot
of fun.

> I'm kind of experimenting with glitchy FSU stuff at the moment,

You're well on your way to being the first guy to open for both Level 42
and Autechre...

> but wondering about more predictable processes and outcomes...

...which is interesting to hear you say, since I find 8th-quant most
useful for UN-predictable outcomes.  It does impose a more assuredly
rhythmic effect, but I find that when I know precisely what I want to do
with Replace stuff, I like having Quantize off, because I can be more
accurate and exact with the way I use it.

8th-quant is like automatic transmission, and unquantized is like
driving a stick.

> Anyone with an EDP who hasn't got Loop IV yet, you are missing out on so
> many very very cool features... get it, and let the features teach you some
> new stuff... :o)

True dat.  And mad props to Andy Butler for coming up with 8th-quant in
the first place.

As is horribly apparent by now, I'm in very dire need of a brisk walk
and a cup of coffee...

Most best,

--Andre LaFosse
The Echoplex Analysis Pages:
http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP

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Obviously I would need a computer connected to program the Copybara, but can
I use the Copybara without a computer? For example, if I wanted to use it as
my effects rack and didn't want to take a long a computer, would that be
possible to do?

Mark

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http://jlcooper.com/pages/new4aes.html

as big as a sheet of paper and controls channels!

    /t
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Unfortunately, no.  Currently, you must have a computer attached in order to
boot the Capybara.  (Virtually all the Capybara software is loaded from the
computer.)

Several Kyma users have mentioned this to Symbolic Sound so perhaps this
might change in the future.

Dennis Leas
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Obviously I would need a computer connected to program the Copybara, but can
I use the Copybara without a computer? For example, if I wanted to use it as
my effects rack and didn't want to take a long a computer, would that be
possible to do?

Mark



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Cuebase SX

:)

but really does look pretty good.. too bad i am afraid that price tag makes
me sick...

.jukka
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> http://jlcooper.com/pages/new4aes.html
>
> as big as a sheet of paper and controls channels!
>
>     /t
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>Cuebase SX
>
>:)
>
>but really does look pretty good.. too bad i am afraid that price tag makes
>me sick...

they don't say... what are we guessing?

I guess it's going to be "cheap" at about $500 and they'll
try to sell a lot of them.  Same idea behind the Oxygen.

It could be expensive at $800 and they'll be hoping for
the good markup.

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Doesent say whether it has null feature- without moving faders it is a
necessity for me at least- thanks for the heads up-
C

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> http://jlcooper.com/pages/new4aes.html
>
> as big as a sheet of paper and controls channels!
>
>     /t
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>


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me too.. I am using Evolution UC-16 knob controller and it is a very stupid
since
there is no such a feature as far I believe..
can it be done in software?

.jukka
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> Doesent say whether it has null feature- without moving faders it is a
> necessity for me at least- thanks for the heads up-
> C
>
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> > http://jlcooper.com/pages/new4aes.html
> >
> > as big as a sheet of paper and controls channels!
> >
> >     /t
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> Saturday!
> > http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the
> calendar.
> >
> >
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Andy thanks for the tip we need once in a while  mails
 like this brother!
Cheers
L.a


> 
> I personally haven't, but if you're interested in
> 8th-quant polyrhythms,
> try this on for size:
> 
> 1) Plug a pedal into the feedback hack
> 2) Set Insertmode to Substitute
> 3) Set Interface mode (under "loop/delay"
> parameters) to either Stutter
> or Replace
> 
> The reason for number 3 is that, because the pedal
> controls feedback in
> these modes, the actual front panel knob becomes a
> "Substitute Feedback"
> control.  Which simply means that you can adjust how
> much of the
> original loop will still be heard when using
> Substitute.
> 
> If you turn the front feedback knob all the way to
> the left, then
> Substitute will cover up all of the original
> material in the loop.  If
> you turn it all the way to the right, then
> Substitute basically becomes
> Overdub -  you can still hear the original material
> in the loop after
> you perform the Substitute function.
> 
> So, you could lay down a 4/4 groove in a
> single-cycle loop, and then set
> 8th/cycle to, say, 5.  If you start doing
> 8th-quantized Substitute
> business with the front Feedback knob full right,
> then you'll get these
> 5:4 polyrhythms happening, but it'll be a truly
> audible polyrhythm,
> because you'll still be able to hear the original
> loop content (because
> you turned the Feedback knob all the way to the
> right in Stutter or
> Replace mode).
> 
> Jesus, that reads a lot more complex than it actuall
> is, I promise.
> 
> > - any conceptual ideas to pass on?
> 
> Me?  Conceptual ideas?  What on Earth are you
> talking about?!  Now if
> you'd asked for good beer recommendations...
> 
> - I like using 8th-quant with Substitute a lot,
> because it's a very
> surprising, subtle, and smooth way of changing
> things.  You can play
> stuff into the EDP and not have any idea how it's
> going to sound until
> you hear it back.  But because 8th-quant is on, it
> will automatically
> have a highly rhythmic quality.  Kind of like giving
> glitch-core a nice
> suit and a haircut.  (Can you tell I need to get out
> of the house more? 
> And get a haircut?)
> 
> It's particularly cool if you set the 8th/cycle
> value to a higher value
> than you could realistically play in real time, i.e.
> putting 8th/cycle
> to 16 at a tempo where one cycle = 180 BPM or so.
> 
> - Use some variation when you're doing 8th-quant
> stuff.  Hold the
> replace button down for different lengths of time to
> introduce some
> variation in the length of the replace/substitute
> action, to get away
> from the "step sequencer" feel, and try adding a few
> drops of silence by
> hitting the button without playing anything into it.
>  
> 
> Or try doing lots of replace/substitute in one part
> of a loop, but
> leaving the rest of the loop unaltered, for a sort
> of post-Timbaland
> start-stop effect.  (Dude, I'm giving away all my
> good tricks here...)
> 
> - Like Per said, 8th-quant in conjunction with
> changing speed is a lot
> of fun.
> 
> > I'm kind of experimenting with glitchy FSU stuff
> at the moment,
> 
> You're well on your way to being the first guy to
> open for both Level 42
> and Autechre...
> 
> > but wondering about more predictable processes and
> outcomes...
> 
> ...which is interesting to hear you say, since I
> find 8th-quant most
> useful for UN-predictable outcomes.  It does impose
> a more assuredly
> rhythmic effect, but I find that when I know
> precisely what I want to do
> with Replace stuff, I like having Quantize off,
> because I can be more
> accurate and exact with the way I use it.
> 
> 8th-quant is like automatic transmission, and
> unquantized is like
> driving a stick.
> 
> > Anyone with an EDP who hasn't got Loop IV yet, you
> are missing out on so
> > many very very cool features... get it, and let
> the features teach you some
> > new stuff... :o)
> 
> True dat.  And mad props to Andy Butler for coming
> up with 8th-quant in
> the first place.
> 
> As is horribly apparent by now, I'm in very dire
> need of a brisk walk
> and a cup of coffee...
> 
> Most best,
> 
> --Andre LaFosse
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> http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP
> 


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I´ve been also messing around with this awesome
feature as well.Its a rythmic monster but i see its
going to take a lot of tap dance practice !

One of the problems i was having with the EDP slaving
the repeater is after defining a Loop length on the
EDP
it would start the repeater with a preloaded drum loop
but then going back and overdubing on the EDP the loop
start point would be way off.This is of course no
problem with a drum machine but i´am thrill to know
that i can define the start point with a simple pedal
press quickly wherever i want it and voilá perfect
sync! This is an awesome feature as well especially
live!
L.a



> Andre and anyone else who's played with this
> function...
> 
> I'm just getting into it, especially in replace mode
> - have you done any
> polyrythmic stuff with switching 8th=? during a
> piece - any conceptual ideas
> to pass on? I'm kind of experimenting with glitchy
> FSU stuff at the moment,
> but wondering about more predictable processes and
> outcomes...
> 
> Anyone with an EDP who hasn't got Loop IV yet, you
> are missing out on so
> many very very cool features... get it, and let the
> features teach you some
> new stuff... :o)
> 
> Steve
> www.steve-lawson.co.uk
> 
> 


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You have better luck then me;
Here when I try to explain the: "yes I play alone with musical machines" there's
always someone with a big smile :'Yeah like Jean Michel Jarre  OUUUUUUUUUUUCH I
hate them wen they say that agAAAAAAIIIINN and AGGGGGGAIN    and let me tell you
I HAAAAAAATE    JMJ's music  THIS IS HIDEOUS POMPOUS DRECK

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PS: to respond to your parano I think they just don't know



> I had my first live performance that included looping last night.  It was with
a band heavily influenced by the Chicago post rock scene.   I  was talking to a
fellow afterwards and he said it was like a mix of Bill Frisell and the Chicago
scene. The thing is, I don't sound anything like Bill Frisell. Does everyone who
loops guitar automatically sound like Bill Frisell?    I figured the guy was
just trying to let me know he was down with the whole looping thing but it got
me thinking.  Does anyone here  have problem with people thinking looping is a
gimmick? Like it's just another effect pedal that can easily over used.  I've
always thought of loopers more as their own instruments rather then just an
effect pedal. Mark
>
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Hi folks,

I just went to the 12K label's CD release show here in NYC. One the 
peformers was a gtr player. He was processing via a MAX/Powerbook rig . It 
was some very cool sounds. I'm also seeing a few other
folks using this prgram too. Does anyone else on the list use this? Can you 
only get the program from Cycling 74' direct as I have not seen it for sale 
here in NYC?


I also need a audio inferface but don't have a lot of money so I'm thinking 
of either the eMagic 2-6 or the Aardvark usb-3. Help please....

Thanks
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> I'm just getting into it, especially in replace mode - have you done any
>  polyrythmic stuff with switching 8th=? during a piece - any conceptual 
ideas
>  to pass on? I'm kind of experimenting with glitchy FSU stuff at the moment,
>  but wondering about more predictable processes and outcomes...
> 

first a nice trick
then some dull info


Quant=8th
8th/cycle = 8
Insertmode = Replace (or Sub)

Record a loop of around one second in length.
(Overdub should not be used, feedback at 127)
Just a sustained tone works well.
Then play sustained tones on your instrument,
while giving some v. short taps on Insert (to Replace).
You can take your time, listen to the loop and 
drop in 8th notes which go well with whats there already. 
Allow a sequence of 8th notes to develop, but
then keep doing it for a while longer.

Multiply the loop to about 16 cycles.

Then hit Undo !!!!!

You then get a continuously developing sequence.
Hit Undo again to hear a different one.

This works so well because each cycle in the multplied loop
is different by at least one 8th note. (usually just one if you
were placing the notes carefully). 
The EDP saves an Undo history to the available memory for
every repetition of the loop, but only if it's different to 
the last.

Using Mult followed by Record it's easy to 
get perfect polyrhythms with 2 EDPs
Sync=Out for both EDPs
Set up a synced on both EDPs.

Then on one EDP do=
Quant=8th
8th/cycle = whatever you like, why not try 5 

then Mult ended by Record on just the one EDP 
will produced polyrhythms with sample accurate
synchronisation.


Using a polyrhythm approach with 8th Quant isn't
all that easy, although you can change loop length
accurately to the nearest 8th note, once you've
done this the length of an 8th note changes to fit the 
new cycle length (because the 8th/cycle param is still 
what it was before you changed the length).

With 2 EDPs ( or with one EDP and a device sending 
MIDI clock) you can get round this:-

When Sync= In the value of the 8th/cycle param is ignored
when there's incoming MIDI.
So then you can set Quant=8th and use
Multiply ended by Record to stir up all kinds
of poly stuff, allways keeping in sync with
the incoming MIDI and quantised to the 8th note
value of the incoming MIDI.

So then it's possible to do those 8th replace psuedo sequencers
and change time sig at will.   

andy butler



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> It's particularly cool if you set the 8th/cycle value to a higher value
>  than you could realistically play in real time, i.e. putting 8th/cycle
>  to 16 at a tempo where one cycle = 180 BPM or so.

but set it too fast and the Timing LED stops flashing, 
and 8th Quant gives up and acts like Quant=OFF
 
>  - Use some variation when you're doing 8th-quant stuff.  Hold the
>  replace button down for different lengths of time to introduce some
>  variation in the length of the replace/substitute action, to get away
>  from the "step sequencer" feel, 

I like the step sequencer though ;-)


>  rhythmic effect, but I find that when I know precisely what I want to do
>  with Replace stuff, I like having Quantize off, because I can be more
>  accurate and exact with the way I use it.

Yes, with Quant=8 it's hard to get the exact right 8th note ,
a fraction late and you get ther next one instead.

>  
>  8th-quant is like automatic transmission, and unquantized is like
>  driving a stick.
>  

ccrrrrchhhhkkkccc

>  True dat.  And mad props to Andy Butler for coming up with 8th-quant in
>  the first place.

I'm sure Matthias considered 8th Quant when he was sorting out 
Quant = LOP, which was way before I got involved.

All I did was to make a convincing case for it,
(and worked out the way to make it easy to replace just one 8th.)

So the mad prop goes back to Andre for turning us on to so
many EDP possibilities.
(it looked a bit out of place with my other stuff anyhow)

andy butler 

 

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6 Dec Assembly Rooms Norwich
Doors open 8.15, but before that Deive Montaigue will be looping
away in the foyer,
(while we struggle to set up sound gear)

This will be an evening of continuous loops,
various performances fading from one to the next

Darkroom ( with Os from LD)
Steve Lawson
Centrozoon (with Marcus Reuter from LD)
Andy Butler (er ...that's me)
GP Hall
Theo Travis
Roger Eno (don't mention the brother)

I'll be doing a few of the new Loop4 EDP tricks.
...and note....Steve Lawson is now coming, though he's
not on the publicity.


7 Dec  King of Hearts Norwich
A more structured evening.
Along the lines of :-

Deive Montaigue/Andy Butler backdrop improv from 7.30-7.55 as people arrive.

7.55-8.05 general introduction and performance of one song be Centrozoon
(Make Me Forget You).

8.10- 8.55 Roger Eno or Tim Bowness/Peter Chilvers (with guests)

9.00- 9.45 Tim Bowness/Peter Chilvers (with guests) or Roger Eno

9.50- 10.35 Hugh Hopper/Theo Travis (with Bernhard Woestheinrich)


Yes, that's THE Hugh Hopper ex Soft Machine

tickets £7.50 each gig from Norwich Arts Centre (01603) 660352
or on the night if not sold out.

organised by
Burning Shed



 




 

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http://www.usatoday.com/tech/techreviews/products/2002-11-19-spotlight-karaoke_x
.htm


soo cool

Claude

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Well, isn't the Repeater for doing Robert Fripp Karaoke?  I actually saw a similar
news story a while ago posted here.  It reminded me of when I ran a small
experimental open mic night in Ithaca NY.  I used to change the name on a weekly
basis to things like, "John Zorn Karaoke night."  We did have some interesting jams
from time to time...

Mark Sottilaro

Claude Voit wrote:

> http://www.usatoday.com/tech/techreviews/products/2002-11-19-spotlight-karaoke_x
> .htm
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> soo cool
>
> Claude

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> http://www.usatoday.com/tech/techreviews/products/2002-11-19-spotlight-karaoke
> _x
> .htm
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> 
> soo cool
> 
> Claude
> 


man i saw this 'infomercial' on latenite tv about the "encorekaraoke..." and
i said(to myself) thats a repeater  in sheeps clothing-change the
pitch-change the tempo-record your work-all in one little unit.
maybe IVL is smart after all.
s 

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Fellow OTers:

I have an old reel-to-reel recording (my 1988 "Engines of Myth" LP) which
was encoded dbx type I.  Wasn't that simple compression/expansion, and can't
I expand the thing on the Mac?  The only widely supported software I use is
Cubase--anyone know of a suitable plugin?  Or maybe a cheap or shareware
dedicated app?

Thanks for tolerance and assistance,


David Lee Myers
http://www.pulsewidth.com

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THE AMBiENT PiNG   http://www.theambientping.com
Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30
  @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto
         3 blocks east of the Union Station subway.
         map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

This Tuesday December 3rd - dreamSTATE with Susanna Hood

Electronic soundscape artists Scott M2 and Jamie Todd (URM)
are joined by sound artist/dancer/choreographer Susanna Hood
(hum dansoundart / LiminaL projects) for an evening of atmospheric
improvisations. Synthesizers, laptops and loopers meet the
human voice and found objects to weave strange dreamscapes
& restless rhythms. Stephen Lindsey of General Chaos Visuals
will be adding another dimension to the show with his beautiful
and immersive, evolving light environments.

dreamSTATE - http://www.dreamstate.to
Susanna Hood - http://www.humprojects.org/subio.html

Between Sets CD - "Soma" by Steve Roach & Robert Rich
Two giants of North American ambient music joined together
in 1992 to create this mesmerizing merge of acoustic and
electronic percussion with drifting clouds of synthesizers,
samplers, flutes and steel guitar. (Hearts of Space)
http://www.steveroach.com    http://www.robertrich.com
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's
finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus
performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia
(aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect
for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room
and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the
club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats
are on offer at the PiNG THiNGS ambient/experimental CD boutique.
Drop off food at PiNG THiNGS for the Daily Bread Food Bank too.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Coming Tuesday December 10th - SOFTWARE
Between Sets CD - "The Butterfly Chamber" by James Johnson
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested
in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances