From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 1 07:36:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA02526; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 07:35:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 07:35:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020901113411.23169.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 04:34:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Repeater loop erasing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <6W6_QB.A.Em.Rtfc9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, Has anyone figured out how to erase loops with the Repeater? I just got the unit and in the o.s. 1.1 upgrade manual it says it can be accomplished via MIDI by triggering cc "123" i´ver tried everything without luck. by the way loop IV is incredible complex but way ahead of its time.Did i read something about EDP´s hardware improvement? keep me informed! cheers Lou ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 1 09:46:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16155; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 09:45:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 09:45:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [80.203.45.38] From: "mark francombe" To: References: <000201c25134$08877700$6401a8c0@om> Subject: Re: OT Spam: My first video? Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 15:59:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Sep 2002 13:44:25.0554 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF8A4B20:01C251BD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com not only did the link work for me, but it also played quite well. Windows Media Format is actually a very friendly format. The only friendier is probably .avi with DivX compression. The DivX codec however costs cash (unless u go for the very irritating ad-ware version, that chucks spam at you when you have a browser open) So I think you made the right choice.. There are however numerous settings that you will wanna fiddle with, which can all affect how good it is... PS: loved the music! ............................... m a r k r e d www.mark-red.com ............................... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clifford Novey" To: Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 11:19 PM Subject: RE: OT Spam: My first video? > The link does not seem to be working here- > Cliff > > www.om-studios.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stuart Wyatt [mailto:stuart@solostring.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 7:32 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT Spam: My first video? > > Its in Windows Media format... and is the first movie of a performance > that I have ever seen. Someone sent me the file this morning > http://mapage.noos.fr/solostringvid/plage.asf (8MB) - from the last > Friday at Paris Plage. I have OSX, and the file does not play well on my > > computer. Does anyone know of a way to convert this file to mpg or some > friendlier format? > > -- > Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project > http://www.solostring.com > stuart@solostring.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 1 11:12:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25041; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 11:10:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 11:10:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1296173.1030893083671.JavaMail.Administrator@ATP2> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 08:11:23 -0700 (PDT) From: digiboy Reply-To: digiboy@nyc.rr.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater loop erasing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Cp1252 X-Mailer: E-mailanywhere V2.0 (Windows) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA24944 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >On Sun, 1 Sep 2002 04:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Louie Angulo wrote. >Hi there, >Has anyone figured out how to erase loops with the >Repeater? I just got the unit and in the o.s. 1.1 >upgrade manual it says it can be accomplished via MIDI >by triggering cc "123" i´ver tried everything without >luck. Are you specifically saying you need to delete the loop via MIDI? You can easily do it directly on the repeater by holding down the "undo/erase" until dashes appear over the track display. Then you just select all tracks that were used in that loop, an "E" appears over the tracks to be erased. Then hit the undo/erse button again, and the loop is history... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 1 11:43:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27915; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 11:42:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 11:42:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: Shameless self-promotion Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 17:43:44 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c251ce$5b424de0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, just for those few who are interested in this kind of phallic presentation: I took some shots of my gear recently and put them on my website. The website is www.moinlabs.de, and then click Internals->MoinSound->MoinSound Central 2002. Or just go to www.moinlabs.de/i_std2.htm. The page is still quite incomplete (I did only write a few details about two or three pieces of equipment so far), but the pictures are really nice - have fun! Any feedback will of course be appreciated. Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 1 11:55:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28800; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 11:50:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 11:50:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c251cf$37ad2750$5fe2fea9@bxmm101> From: "dp" To: References: <20020901113411.23169.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Repeater loop erasing Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 11:49:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com try cc108 with a value of 123. too bad you cant erase the individual tracks via midi. dp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 1 14:05:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11555; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 14:04:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 14:04:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c251e1$8bd552a0$80dba942@cm53039a> From: "Kevin Brunkhorst" To: References: <82.204bdcba.2aa2d176@aol.com> Subject: Re: more about promo Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 13:01:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes! Especially if you actually pay for the tools you use. We know that Lorenzo doesn't give away Kleins to anyone (which is one reason why some players do not use them, even though they've tried and liked them, according to L); I hope that the fine folks at Aurisis don't give away anything either. (I'm waiting for my IV to arrive anytime now!) Vote for your favorite useful tools twice - once with your wallet, and twice by mentioning them when appropriate. kevin Denton TX (home of Kentonesque bombast, or so it's said) Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com> wrote... ...if you want to promote the looping machines thank the makers/designers explicitly on your recordings . . . or include a little testimonial about loopage or what have you. torned: yes; good point, taken in degrees. i've been doing something like that for quite a few years, myself..... fwiw. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 1 14:29:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13745; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 14:28:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 14:28:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020901182711.63875.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 11:27:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Repeater loop erasing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002d01c251cf$37ad2750$5fe2fea9@bxmm101> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi dp you mean 0 to 123 instead of 0 to 127? i have to give the 2 values in my behringer 1010 FC thanks ill give it a try again lou --- dp wrote: > try cc108 with a value of 123. > too bad you cant erase the individual tracks via > midi. > > dp > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 1 15:03:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18033; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 15:01:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 15:01:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.152.167.174] From: "Benjy King" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boss SP-505 Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 15:00:15 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Sep 2002 19:00:15.0927 (UTC) FILETIME=[CED7BC70:01C251E9] Resent-Message-ID: <7_GaoB.A.dYE.fPmc9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I need some help. I am a producer/engineer who primarily records acoustic drums. I am starting an album project with a girl who wants some routine 'A' S. Crow type loops. (Surprise!) I bought a Boss SP505 sampling workstation and In one minute I was able to sample a kit off of tape, edit it, truncate it, loop it and add some drum destroying effects. Honestly...a minute. I spent the rest of the day trying get a midi sequencer to trigger the sample, to no avail. AAAHHH!!! I feel silly. This shouldn't be that difficult...right? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Benjy King _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 1 15:13:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19398; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 15:12:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 15:12:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020901191114.39866.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 12:11:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Repeater loop erasing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20020901182711.63875.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi dp I solved the problem mate thank you i was sending CC´s to the exp.pedal cheers lou > --- dp wrote: > > try cc108 with a value of 123. > > too bad you cant erase the individual tracks via > > midi. > > > > dp > > > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 1 15:16:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18999; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 15:11:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 15:11:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020901120351.00b7a1e8@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 12:09:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: Roland PK-5 as Echoplex Controller In-Reply-To: <000801c250b0$3b2bfd40$b0d6f343@gary> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <109eK.A.LnE.OYmc9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary, Thanks for the tip! That might be just the ticket. Please let us know how it works for you. -Hans At 22:35 30/08/2002, you wrote: >Shake off those dark thoughts with gear acquisition! I just got these MIDI >bass pedals (used, on eBay) to use for a variety of live performance >situations (I gotta get a gig!) but especially for live looping, and I have >good news for Echoplex Digital Pro users. It's possible to program an >octave of note on/offs on their "sound effects" bank on any MIDI channel, in >addition to the octave of mono bass and polyphonic bass and also drum banks >(one ROM, one RAM), each bank selectable with a dedicated switch. So with >thirteen notes, you can control all the front panel functions and any of the >DirectMIDI stuff you like. There is also the ability to send Program >changes on any channel and two banks of control changes (one ROM, one RAM), >so you could control volume and feedback as well as sending CC6 for data >wheel stuff (it just sends a value on a given CC--so this isn't real >flexible). >I love my PMC-10, but they make crappy bass pedals, so I was please to find >out just how programmable this unit was (comes with typically cryptic Roland >Engrish manual). It can be powered by batteries as well as AC and, yes, >it's velocity sensitive! >Here's some links for more info: >http://www.rolandus.com/specs_brochures/PK5FX.pdf >http://www.harmony-central.com/Synth/Data/Roland/PK-5-Pedal-Keyboard-01.html >Best news of all, it's still in production . . . >Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 1 16:21:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26863; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 16:20:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 16:20:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.79.97.43] From: "terry o'brien" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: reviews of CD Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 13:18:48 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Sep 2002 20:18:48.0947 (UTC) FILETIME=[C8058430:01C251F4] Resent-Message-ID: <3mJTyC.A.IfG.IZnc9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael...many thanks....T >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: reviews of CD >Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 22:34:50 EDT > >In a message dated 8/31/02 5:43:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >anomalousdisturbances@hotmail.com writes: > > > > "The Spirit Molecule" . > > > >terry.....great reviews.....great cd!.....michael _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 1 16:22:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27093; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 16:21:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 16:21:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020901121117.00b7e400@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 13:19:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: vinyl emulator In-Reply-To: References: <280802240.45046@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've tried those CDJ-1000s out before, and they were pretty cool. I think they did a really good job of emulating the sound of real vinyl when scratching, and the features are really good. They even put an LED ring around the center of the record, so that you can visually cue the position as you would with a record's label and/or cue marks (very important). The "torque" and "braking" adjustments are nice, similar to what Vestax has on their high-end turntablist decks. I think there's even a loop function built-in. The same day I tried them out at guitar center, I went to a show featuring Qbert and Cut Chemist, and Chemist was actually performing using a pair of CDJ-1000s, doing all of his tricks just like on vinyl, and sounding pretty much the same. If you're familiar with Cut Chemist, this gives the CDJ-1000s enormous street credibility Personally, I didn't like the feel of the "platter" ring. It's lightweight - it feels more like a jog dial. If it was heavier it might feel better; they should give it the same moment of inertia as a record, at least. If it had force feedback, or if the platter was motor-driven, that would be even better (but also more expensive and less reliable). The ultra-deluxe model could even have some kind of fluid inertia system (i.e. a spinning disc with an [adjustable?] oil gap). For me, a lot of turntablism has to do with the feel of the platter moving underneath the record - it gives it just a little bit of pull, and also allows you to have a speed reference. I'd say the feel is like the difference between a real piano's action and that of an unweighted keyboard. You can play the same thing on them, but it's just a different feeling, and which one you like better is a matter of personal taste. Either one may be better than the other for certain styles and/or techniques. (Hammond organ just feels weird with a weighted controller.) My other gripe is that the scratch ring is pretty small, just larger than a record label. One nice feature of a real record is the ability to use your fingers near the label for economy of motion when you want to cover large areas of vinyl will reduced accuracy, or to use the outer edge for more precision scratches (like when beat juggling, for instance). If I weren't already so heavily invested (how's that for a misused word?) in vinyl and associated hardware, and if I wasn't such a stubborn traditionalist, I think I'd look seriously at the CDJ-1000. For the price of one, however, you could just about buy a Technics SL-1200 and an EDP. On the other hand, burning CDs is much cheaper, faster, and easier than making dub plates, if that's your thing. Final Scratch Pro or Scott Wardle's Ms. Pinky Perverted Scratch System could be a really sweet compromise, giving you the feel of a real vinyl/platter interface along with the convenience of digital media. -Hans At 12:41 29/08/2002, you wrote: >At 11:57 AM -0700 8/29/02, Alex Stahl wrote: > >>I am curious, does the platter have force feedback, such that changing >>the "motor power" changes the inertia of the disc (possible with magnetic >>braking like a Sony pro VTR jog/shuttle wheel) or does the platter always >>have the same nice heavy feel but the audio response changes? > >Why don't you try one out and tell us what you think? I wasn't being that >analytical at the time. I'm also completely inexperienced with vinyl >scratch, so I had no pont of kinesthetic reference. Force feedback is an >interesting idea, though. >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 1 20:42:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21825; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 20:41:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 20:41:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 17:40:28 -0700 Subject: Re: To repeat, or not to repeat.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <93DA128A-BE0C-11D6-986C-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did answer your question: No. The Repeater is it, if you care about MIDI synch. I guess there's a chance that the MC09 might so something similar, but from reading the lit on it, it seems to be a device where you can record loops before hand, like the 808, and then play them back later. Didn't seem geared for real time looping. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, August 31, 2002, at 06:03 AM, Mike B (digiboy) wrote: > I sort of asked this within the "ruminations" thread but maybe not > everyone > is reading that so I will "repeat" my question. > > My main interest in the Repeater is that it can record 4 tracks per > loop > with the ability to mix and bounce those tracks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 1 20:52:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22780; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 20:51:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 20:51:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020902005054.60922.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 17:50:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: echo pro vs DL4 (was: Re: more about promo) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006801c250dd$bf705600$6f514ed5@bigboy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Steve Lawson wrote: > and the > bass stuff on 'Conversations' would be unthinkable without a DL4 > (even the Echo Pro couldn't acheive it)... Ok, this begs the question, Steve; It would seem that the EchoPro is more powerful in every way then the DL4. What could you do with the DL4 that you couldn't with the Pro (presuming you had a MIDI controller to perform the foot control functions)? Thanks, Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 1 21:09:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24922; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 21:01:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 21:01:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 18:00:46 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater ruminations Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <6A232008-BE0F-11D6-986C-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why not take the clock from the Handsonic? Start with a very simple sequence as a "click", then build on it. I know this takes some flexibility away, but I've been having good luck with this technique. On Saturday, August 31, 2002, at 11:45 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: >> > > Which probably puts the price point at the same point as the EDP or > higher. > (What size card does the Repeater come with?) first batch came with 16, then they went to 32 > > P.P.S. Of course, it would probably also be easier to do any of this > if I > didn't have a wife looking at me and saying "How much is that?" > > Ah, you need the Wifesilencer 3000. You can program it so that when your wife questions your purchases, it will run over to her shoe collection and snarl at her. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 1 21:09:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25292; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 21:05:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 21:05:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020902010412.62868.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 18:04:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Repeater ruminations To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Hamburg wrote: > on 8/31/02 2:41 AM, Stuart Wyatt at stuart@solostring.com wrote: > > The only way around this is to buy a big CFC card. > > Which probably puts the price point at the same point as the EDP or > higher. (What size card does the Repeater come with?) I'm not sure I agree with this. I do perfectly enjoyable loops using the onboard memory, most of the time without problems. BUT I don't do a lot of time stretching, or really long loops. Many of mine are only a few seconds. The Repeater comes with a 16MB CFC, which is pretty small, but twice as large as the internal memory. I think it offers you about 3 minutes worth of total recording time. I've been using 128MB cards and have been able to store upwards of 30 of my loops on a single card. The 128MB cards can be purchased for about $50 these days. Regarding the memory issues you were talking about before. It may be because you multiplied the loop and then changed the tempo. I've done a lot of overdubbing (literally hours...) over short loops on the internal memory and have never encountered a memory shortage (except as I added more tracks and really exhausted the memory). > Short story: I probably should have grabbbed a Repeater when they > were available for sub-$500 and worked around it's issues. Yeah, it's unfortunate to lose the option of getting this tool at a decent price. Who knows though, the prices may drop back down after awhile. > P.P.S. Of course, it would probably also be easier to do any of this > if I didn't have a wife looking at me and saying "How much is that?" Responsibility (accountability?) is such a damper on good clean gear acquisition. Sometimes that is a good thing for me, since it encourages me to do my research and get the right thing the first time (doesn't always work out, but I do my best). Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 1 21:20:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26481; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 21:19:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 21:19:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020902011816.65079.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 18:18:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Compact Flash Card for Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007001c250b6$fa55eb80$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- David wrote: > > What's the scoop CFC's for the repeater? > I see a few mentions that some CFC's aren't so Repeater-Friendly. Is > there a recomended brand/size CFC for the Repeater. The ONLY CFCs that Electrix was recommending by the time they folded were SimpleTech. There were certain batches of both the 128MB and 256MB cards which people had problems using with Repeater, but it was reported that SimpleTech would replace the cards for you. However, from what I've seen, most people don't have any problems with the cards they get. >From what I've read, this is the only brand of cards which will consistantly record in stereo. I have 2 128MBs and a 16MB and they all work great. > Is 512MB the maximum size? Yes. Make sure you get the Type 1 card at that size. As I remember, SimpleTech also makes a Type 2 card which won't work in the Repeater. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 1 22:15:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00979; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 22:15:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 22:15:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: digiboy@pop-server.nyc.rr.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <93DA128A-BE0C-11D6-986C-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 22:26:40 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Mike B (digiboy)" Subject: Re: To repeat, or not to repeat.... Resent-Message-ID: <53LPh.A.LM.flsc9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I did answer your question: > >No. The Repeater is it, if you care about MIDI synch. >Mark Sottilaro Thanks, Mark I may not have caught your first reply...I was picking up Email from my job, sometimes I miss stuff in all the hubbub. Just curious, is there something else that has multiple tracks per loop but doesn't have MIDI synch? I'm pretty well sold on keeping the Repeater anyway, it's been knockin me out and I'm nowhere near grasping everything it can do yet. regards, Mike B PS I was surprized to find the Electrixpro website is still pretty much active. The forums are still up and the file downloads and video demos I checked were all working. It would be nice if someone continues to maintain it. Mike Berman digiboy@nyc.rr.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 1 23:49:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10724; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 23:48:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 23:48:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 20:46:39 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater ruminations From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6A232008-BE0F-11D6-986C-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 9/1/02 6:00 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > Why not take the clock from the Handsonic? Start with a very simple > sequence as a "click", then build on it. I know this takes some > flexibility away, but I've been having good luck with this technique. Because there are times when I'd like to set the tempo rather than having it pre-dictated (even if it's by loops that I've made). Otherwise, I could simply set up the Handsonic and start recording into a blank or nearly blank loop. I did try recording a loop and then setting the tempo on the Handsonic to closely match what the Repeater was telling me and letting the Repeater tempo stretch to match. That, however, is a bit of a kludge. No more awkward arguably, I guess, than having to tweak the beats per cycle setting on the EDP after recording the initial loop. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 2 04:05:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA01959; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 04:02:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 04:02:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Flizoyd@aol.com Message-ID: <134.13bdb4f7.2aa474c1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 04:01:05 EDT Subject: headphones To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_134.13bdb4f7.2aa474c1_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_134.13bdb4f7.2aa474c1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dear list: i was told that a certain type of sony headphone is great for doing mixes becuase of its "true" or flat sound. i forget which it was and it was a while ago .does anyone have an idea of what headphone is best for mixing a project down while livung in an apartment. --part1_134.13bdb4f7.2aa474c1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dear list: i was told that a certain type of sony headphone is great for doing mixes becuase of its "true" or flat sound.   i forget which it was and it was a while ago .does anyone  have an idea of what headphone is best for mixing a project down while livung in an apartment. --part1_134.13bdb4f7.2aa474c1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 2 04:09:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02598; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 04:08:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 04:08:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <134.13bdb4f7.2aa474c1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 04:07:30 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: headphones Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >dear list: i was told that a certain type of sony headphone is great for >doing mixes becuase of its "true" or flat sound. i forget which it was >and it was a while ago .does anyone have an idea of what headphone is >best for mixing a project down while livung in an apartment. All 3 of my 3 favorite headphones are Sony. (They top out at the MDR-V500, which I do all my mastering with.) And they're not even the officially super-cool models. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 2 04:27:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04518; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 04:26:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 04:26:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c2525a$50fa2420$0101a8c0@o4z6b8> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: Subject: Re: headphones Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 10:25:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I currently use AKGs both in my studio and in my home studio. I love the sound of the K141 and K240. You only have to pay attention to which model you choose, since for both series there are two kinds. The K141M is a 600Ohm while the K141S is a 55Ohm headphone. The same for the K240M and K240S. I currently use the M kind. (M is for Monitor, while S is for Studio, they seem both to be really flat, to me.) I have tried the Sony MDR500, and I find them not being bad at all. Peace Luigi ----- Original Message ----- From: "just john" To: Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 10:07 AM Subject: Re: headphones > > >dear list: i was told that a certain type of sony headphone is great for > >doing mixes becuase of its "true" or flat sound. i forget which it was > >and it was a while ago .does anyone have an idea of what headphone is > >best for mixing a project down while livung in an apartment. > > All 3 of my 3 favorite headphones are Sony. (They top out at the MDR-V500, > which I do all my mastering with.) And they're not even the officially > super-cool models. > --- > * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 2 04:49:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06811; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 04:48:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 04:48:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: RE: headphones Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 01:48:04 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c2525d$73f7efe0$6401a8c0@om> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C25222.C79A9E80" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <134.13bdb4f7.2aa474c1@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C25222.C79A9E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sony model MDR-7506 are probably the ones you were told about. Cliff www.om-studios.com -----Original Message----- From: Flizoyd@aol.com [mailto:Flizoyd@aol.com] Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 1:01 AM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: headphones dear list: i was told that a certain type of sony headphone is great for doing mixes becuase of its "true" or flat sound. i forget which it was and it was a while ago .does anyone have an idea of what headphone is best for mixing a project down while livung in an apartment. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C25222.C79A9E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sony model MDR-7506 are probably = the ones you were told about.

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dear list: = i was told that a certain type of sony headphone is great for doing mixes = becuase of its "true" or flat sound.   i forget which it was = and it was a while ago .does anyone  have an idea of what headphone is = best for mixing a project down while livung in an apartment.

------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C25222.C79A9E80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 2 08:23:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA05579; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 08:22:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 08:22:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008a01c2527a$da3fd7a0$1f3c5cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 08:17:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown on 91.7 FM and on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8 am to 9:30 am. Show #7 August 31, 2002. RECAP: I started with spacemusic and moved through some eclectic genres of music, ending with some progressive rock. Along the way, I played the music of a band that appeared at the Progday festival in Chapel Hill, North Carolina for those who couldn't attend in person and music by New Zealander Rudy Adrian who will be playing at The Gathering on September 21. I will miss the show on September 14. But Lunar will host that show and I will return to The AM/FM Show on September 28. PLAYLIST: Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Navigator Oceanic Empire Oceanic Empire (Groove) Rudy Adrian Venus - the Clouded Starfields (Groove) Sphere Ian Boddy Zero-G Aurora (DiN) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Suzanne Ciani Lay Down Beside Me Meditations (Seventh Wave) Lars Erickson Three Part #9 Altered Inventions (Innerpeace) Stephen Halpern and Celtic Comfort Perfect Alignment (Halpern) John Williams O Bia The Magic Box (Sony) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Porcupine Tree Blackest Eyes Sampler 2002.3 (Lava) Porcupine Tree Where We Would Be Lightbulb Sun (K Scope) Spock's Beard Made Alive/Overture Snow (Radiant) Spock's Beard Stranger in a Strange Snow (Radiant) Land Spock's Beard Long Time Suffering Snow (Radiant) VA [Thieves' Kitchen] John Doe Number One Progday 2002 (Progday) * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) Bill =============================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiy.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 2 12:15:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09402; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 12:05:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 12:05:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c2529b$4eb3a600$b1c7cb97@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <134.13bdb4f7.2aa474c1@aol.com> Subject: Re: headphones - HD600 Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 12:10:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C25279.C72C87E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop016.verizon.net from [151.203.199.177] using ID at Mon, 2 Sep 2002 11:04:17 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C25279.C72C87E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sennheiser HD600's are good "mastering reference" headphones. I've seen them used by one or two mastering engineers for particular = applications. Also a good idea to reference other music you're aiming to be in the = ballpark with, as you mix and master. helps reel you in if you start = going too far down some path... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Flizoyd@aol.com=20 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 4:01 AM Subject: headphones dear list: i was told that a certain type of sony headphone is great = for doing mixes becuase of its "true" or flat sound. i forget which it = was and it was a while ago .does anyone have an idea of what headphone = is best for mixing a project down while livung in an apartment.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C25279.C72C87E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sennheiser HD600's are good "mastering = reference"=20 headphones.
I've seen them used by one or two = mastering=20 engineers for particular applications.
 
Also a good idea to reference other = music you're=20 aiming to be in the ballpark with, as you mix and master.  helps = reel you=20 in if you start going too far down some path...
 
 
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dear list: i was told = that a certain=20 type of sony headphone is great for doing mixes becuase of its "true" = or flat=20 sound.   i forget which it was and it was a while ago .does=20 anyone  have an idea of what headphone is best for mixing a = project down=20 while livung in an apartment. = ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C25279.C72C87E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 2 13:37:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19808; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 13:34:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 13:34:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Briscoe23@aol.com Message-ID: <110.17a60823.2aa4fad0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 13:33:04 EDT Subject: Re: headphones To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, The only thing that I hate about the MDR-7506 is the suction on my ears with bass notes, ugggh! They're good for seperation from the recording environment, ie. tracking, but for mixing I'd have to reccommend the AKG 240S. -Justin Sable Fobes www.mp3.com/Justin_Sable _Fobes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 2 15:06:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29573; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:59:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:59:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D73B3E4.AD3E1B45@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 11:54:29 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: What a long strange trip it's been Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear list, Happy 6th Birthday: http://loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199609/ Good grief. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 2 16:05:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04253; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 15:59:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 15:59:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020902124002.00b6bd90@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 12:57:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: headphones In-Reply-To: <134.13bdb4f7.2aa474c1@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <8a_Fd.A.xq.eL8c9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com They don't mention Sony headphones much (probably because they don't sell them), but here's some good info and recommendations: http://www.headphone.com/layout.php?topicID=2 -Hans At 01:01 02/09/2002, you wrote: >dear list: i was told that a certain type of sony headphone is great for >doing mixes becuase of its "true" or flat sound. i forget which it was >and it was a while ago .does anyone have an idea of what headphone is >best for mixing a project down while livung in an apartment. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 2 16:42:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07014; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:31:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:31:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <15d.137bbf29.2aa5241b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:29:15 EDT Subject: Re: headphones To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com someone said, >>dear list: i was told that a certain type of sony headphone is great for >>doing mixes becuase of its "true" or flat sound. sony, true or flat? definitely not in my world! i like beyerdynamic dt's. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 2 17:08:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11306; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:07:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:07:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <405.0.1030980313359@misslemon.eiomail.com> References: <405.0.1030980313359@misslemon.eiomail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:07:30 -0400 To: ambient@hyperreal.org, boss-improv@topica.com, nord-modular@code404.com, From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: OT CD Changer recommendations Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <_kKrV.A.xtC.8K9c9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm looking to buy a cd changer -- do any of you have recommendations. Requirements. Reasonable (not audiophile) sound. Robust handing of CD-R's and minor CD defects -- the CD player that I'm looking to replace can only play about half my CD-R's.. Sturdy. Usability features a plus -- I wish a button to advance or back up by one minute were standard in CD interfaces. Thanks. -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 2 17:32:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14255; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:30:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:30:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: mahijiru.cspc.us: www-data set sender to erwill@suitandtieguy.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: headphones Message-ID: <1031002189.3d73d84dacede@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 17:29:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Williamson References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020902124002.00b6bd90@pop.charter.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020902124002.00b6bd90@pop.charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.178.190 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i wouldn't trade my Grado SR-80s for all the tea in china. http://www.gradolabs.com/product_pages/sr80.htm well ... maybe i'd trade them for a pair of RS1s ... hehehe Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 2 17:44:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15319; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:40:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:40:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D73D992.EE5804E2@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 14:35:14 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Los Angeles Double-Bill Gig Spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com O list, Two (2) loop-centric acts on one (1) stage in the space of a single evening: Sunday, Sept 08 The Crooked Bar 8117 Sunset blvd @ Laurel Cyn/Crescent Hgts Hollywood, California The line-up: 8:00 PM sharp: Andre LaFosse (Echoplex, Guitar, Amp) 9:00 PM: Kiss The Frog - Barry Newton (Bass, Laptop, Loops) Pete Hillman (Drums) Charles Morogiello (Guitar, Loops) I believe Barry and Charles are both Boomerang guys. Kiss The Frog is a sort of avant-jam band (for lack of a better way of putting it); their web site resides at http://www.spacefuzz.com/ktf/home.php including many, many sound files for your perusal. The plan is for my solo set to morph into their band set, so that they'll take to the stage at the end of my set and some four-man action will take place (so to speak) prior to the beginning of their "proper" trio set. I've never played with the band before, so this'll be interesting. If you're planning on coming, email me and I'll put you on the $5 discount list. The best parking solution is to slip into the Virgin Megastore lot across the street and get the free two-hour validation within said virginal store. Most best, --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 2 18:07:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18994; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 18:04:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 18:04:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 15:01:54 -0800 Subject: Re: Los Angeles Double-Bill Gig Spam From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D73D992.EE5804E2@earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The plan is for my solo set to morph into their band set, so that > they'll take to the stage at the end of my set and some four-man action > will take place (so to speak) prior to the beginning of their "proper" > trio set. I've never played with the band before, so this'll be interesting. >> Most best, > > --Andre LaFosse damn thats such a cool idea-2 boldlee go... i salute in yer general direction,andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 2 18:50:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23090; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 18:48:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 18:48:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1031002189.3d73d84dacede@www.suitandtieguy.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020902124002.00b6bd90@pop.charter.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020902124002.00b6bd90@pop.charter.net> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 18:45:33 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: headphones Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >i wouldn't trade my Grado SR-80s for all the tea in china. > Damn! Now what am I gonna do with all this friggin tea??? --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 2 20:55:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04850; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 20:54:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 20:54:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 20:52:53 -0500 Subject: anybody need an EDP manual? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have a spare one if anybody wants it. just email me (jimfowler@prodigy.net) and we can work something out. all you'll need to pay is postage, of course. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 2 23:33:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22558; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:27:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:27:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Sender: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Roland PK-5 as Echoplex Controller Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 20:25:57 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c252f9$a765dbc0$ae07f843@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020901120351.00b7a1e8@pop.charter.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com First off, happy 6th--thanks to Kim for providing a forum for loopers. I have been spending time with the PK-5 pedals to trigger the Echoplex as well as providing bass and drum audio for inclusion in a loop. They work just as well as I might have hoped! The pedals have a nice feel--and there's a spot to Velcro the PMC-10 to the top--they are exactly the same length. The only weakness I can spot with these pedals (other than the fact that they are limited in their MIDI capabilities) is the power supply. It's a wall wart, but worse--it plugs into the outer face of the unit, toward the audience. It is begging to be snapped right off. I built a little box to protect it, but it still such an Achilles heel, it makes me wonder why they did it that way--enormous design flaw! So best wishes to all, and hope your holiday was loopy! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 3 02:25:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA10585; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 02:24:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 02:24:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020902232133.02283d08@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 23:26:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: What a long strange trip it's been In-Reply-To: <3D73B3E4.AD3E1B45@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, I've been putting up with you guys for six years??!?!?!? No wonder why I get grouchy sometimes. This calls for a fine single malt. cheers! kim At 11:54 AM 9/2/2002, Andre LaFosse wrote: >Dear list, > >Happy 6th Birthday: > >http://loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199609/ > >Good grief. > >--Andre LaFosse >http://www.altruistmusic.com ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 3 11:13:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25748; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:03:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:03:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:00:38 EDT Subject: Check out In the Cans To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a8.110d5e28.2aa62896_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a8.110d5e28.2aa62896_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this might be of interest to those thinking about headphones.....michael..... Click here: In the Cans --part1_a8.110d5e28.2aa62896_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this might be of interest to those thinking about headphones.....michael.....Click here: In the Cans --part1_a8.110d5e28.2aa62896_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 3 12:35:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01062; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 12:31:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 12:31:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: more about promo Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:27:44 -0500 Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148D008@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: more about promo Thread-Index: AcJRYzHtvzuBgYvtRyW3bu4VLXTTfQCA5wfg From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA00942 Resent-Message-ID: <70UGyD.A.9O.COOd9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes; good point, taken in degrees. ** right. i do it for specific people with whom i have a special connections. i've been doing something like that for quite a few years, myself..... fwiw. ** there ya go. *** for those who don't want to do this for the "major corp" that gibson is, you could always thank our esteemed host and matthias for their cool innovations, etc. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 3 14:12:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11693; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:10:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:10:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D74FAB2.1793CDAA@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 11:08:59 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: headphones References: <110.17a60823.2aa4fad0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com While we're on the subject, I'd never trust any headphone for a final mix, as they really can't give you a true representation of what it will sound like in open air. I always switch back and forth making sure the mix sounds good on headphones and monitors. Mark Sottilaro Briscoe23@aol.com wrote: > Hey, > > The only thing that I hate about the MDR-7506 is the suction on my ears with > bass notes, ugggh! They're good for seperation from the recording > environment, ie. tracking, but for mixing I'd have to reccommend the AKG > 240S. > > -Justin Sable Fobes > www.mp3.com/Justin_Sable _Fobes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 3 15:18:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17560; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:16:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:16:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c2537e$3c4f2640$0101a8c0@o4z6b8> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <110.17a60823.2aa4fad0@aol.com> <3D74FAB2.1793CDAA@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: headphones Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:15:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sure, but when you're recording or mixing at night, a good pair of headphones help you with your family and neighbours. The in the morning you can always try to listen what you've done in the night on some nearfields or midfields. Peace Luigi ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 8:08 PM Subject: Re: headphones > While we're on the subject, I'd never trust any headphone for a final mix, as > they really can't give you a true representation of what it will sound like in > open air. I always switch back and forth making sure the mix sounds good on > headphones and monitors. > > Mark Sottilaro > > Briscoe23@aol.com wrote: > > > Hey, > > > > The only thing that I hate about the MDR-7506 is the suction on my ears with > > bass notes, ugggh! They're good for seperation from the recording > > environment, ie. tracking, but for mixing I'd have to reccommend the AKG > > 240S. > > > > -Justin Sable Fobes > > www.mp3.com/Justin_Sable _Fobes > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 3 15:31:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18012; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:23:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:23:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020903192222.36574.qmail@web12903.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 12:22:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Happy Birthday LD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-877305217-1031080942=:34505" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-877305217-1031080942=:34505 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii After half a year in unsub land I'm back just in time to begin LD's seventh year. It's great to see so many familiar names in the archive. What'd I miss? :-) Glad to be back, Tim Nelson --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes --0-877305217-1031080942=:34505 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

After half a year in unsub land I'm back just in time to begin LD's seventh year. It's great to see so many familiar names in the archive. What'd I miss? :-)

Glad to be back,

Tim Nelson


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Finance - Get real-time stock quotes --0-877305217-1031080942=:34505-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 3 15:39:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19274; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:34:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:34:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D750EFD.1C6A93D9@friendlyspider.com> Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 14:35:46 -0500 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Happy Birthday LD References: <20020903192222.36574.qmail@web12903.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are you kidding...? Read the archives, fool ! I don't want to hear another 1000 arguments about the directionality of audio cables ! Just kidding.... I've only been a member for half a year, but welcome back anyway..... -------Tim Nelson wrote: -------What'd I miss? :-) -- gary @friendlyspider.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 3 16:33:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23659; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:31:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:31:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: digiboy@pop-server.nyc.rr.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:41:59 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Mike B (digiboy)" Subject: Repeater levels/ noise Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Handsonic ( basically a Roland drum machine with pads designed like a hand drum) is a very quiet noise-free instrument yet when I connect to the repeater and overdub, I am getting a lot of noise. I have fooled with all the levels, have the handsonic cranked (still dead quiet) and back off on the levels to just optimum settings on the repeater, I still get a lot of noise build-up with overdubs. It's not just hiss either, I get a sort of whiney hum almost like a tape machine in need of demagnetizing. Actually, listening thru a headset with nothing plugged in and the track levels all the way down and the input level all the way down, I hear that same noise/hum if I crank the headset. Are these Repeaters inherently noisey? Did I get a bad unit? Any input, advice much appreciated. Thanks, Mike B Mike Berman digiboy@nyc.rr.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 3 17:33:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27811; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 17:27:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 17:27:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: semi-OT query Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:23:35 -0500 Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148D01C@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: semi-OT query Thread-Index: AcJTkF+jBGuy6L9ZEdaKXADQt1TfNg== From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "Looper's Delight (E-mail)" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA27641 Resent-Message-ID: <8pq3fC.A.MwG.ijSd9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com howdy, i know that some of you all do your own CD-R releases for selling at gigs, etc. i've heard that there is an issue of longevity with this medium (as opposed to regular CDs) - - errors, decay, etc. anyone have any comments? thanks, stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 3 17:59:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29950; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 17:58:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 17:58:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020903215708.58715.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:57:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: headphones To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000201c2525d$73f7efe0$6401a8c0@om> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com They seem to be the most frequently recommended, but they are not "true" or "flat". They're great for tracking because they offer reasonable isolation and are bright and LOUD. I wouldn't mix on 'em. But then again...I wouldnt' mix on headphones. I've rarely screwed up mixes as well as when I tried to mix using headphones instead of monitors. Greg --- Clifford Novey wrote: > Sony model MDR-7506 are probably the ones you were told about. > > Cliff > -----Original Message----- > From: Flizoyd@aol.com [mailto:Flizoyd@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 1:01 AM > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: headphones > > > > dear list: i was told that a certain type of sony headphone is great > for > doing mixes becuase of its "true" or flat sound. i forget which it > was > and it was a while ago .does anyone have an idea of what headphone > is > best for mixing a project down while livung in an apartment. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 3 18:16:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31806; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:07:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:07:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020903220540.60665.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:05:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Repeater levels/ noise To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "Mike B (digiboy)" wrote: > Actually, listening thru a headset with nothing plugged in and the > track > levels all the way down and the input level all the way down, I hear > that same noise/hum if I crank the headset. Through the headphone outputs of the Repeater? I think it's headphone amp is noisy. Check it's main outputs and see if they are similarly noisy. > Are these Repeaters inherently noisey? Not unless you run them with improper signal levels. The Repeater is designed for line level signals. I don't know the handsonic for sure, but I'd expect it to produce lower signal levels, so a preamp will probaby be required to get it's level up to what the Repeater wants. Or try the Handsonic into the "instrument level" input on the Repeater's front panel, that may help. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 3 18:20:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32599; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:18:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:18:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 00:17:00 +0200 Subject: Re: Newbie question... From: shigihara@t-online.de (Paul Shigihara) To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Sender: 510037163966-0001@t-dialin.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA32485 Resent-Message-ID: <0Y7a4.A.27H.JUTd9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I´ve been lurking here for a while...love this list ! I play guitar, live in Cologne/Germany and would like to start looping... Have you got any specific info when the EDP+ is going to be available in Europe ? Thanks for the inspiration... Paul Shigihara From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 3 18:41:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01269; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:32:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:32:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: digiboy@pop-server.nyc.rr.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020903220540.60665.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:43:21 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Mike B (digiboy)" Subject: Re: Repeater levels/ noise Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >--- "Mike B (digiboy)" wrote: > >> Actually, listening thru a headset with nothing plugged in and the >> track >> levels all the way down and the input level all the way down, I hear >> that same noise/hum if I crank the headset. > >Through the headphone outputs of the Repeater? I think it's headphone >amp is noisy. Check it's main outputs and see if they are similarly >noisy. I only have headphones connected, so I'll have to check that, but if the noise is coming from the headphone amp, it should not be building up in the overdubs unless it's actually leaking back into the recording. > >> Are these Repeaters inherently noisey? > >Not unless you run them with improper signal levels. . Or >try the Handsonic into the "instrument level" input on the Repeater's >front panel, that may help. Well, I'm making a little headway by being very careful to get the levels as optimum as possible. I am running the handsonic into the guitar jack but I can even hear the noise with nothing plugged in at all. Still working on it. Thanks Mike Berman digiboy@nyc.rr.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 3 18:52:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02381; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:45:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:45:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c2539b$5c7c9520$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <20020903215708.58715.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: headphones Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:43:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <5-uOg.A.9j.5sTd9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doesen't really matter to me- any monitor/headphone you buy will need to be "learned" - even my Mackies which are very flat sound unique in my space and I am aware of this when mixing. I use monitors, stereo, headphones, car radio, etc. in considering a final mix- but I agree i would never use headphones as a sole monitoring source- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 2:57 PM Subject: RE: headphones > They seem to be the most frequently recommended, but they are not > "true" or "flat". They're great for tracking because they offer > reasonable isolation and are bright and LOUD. > > I wouldn't mix on 'em. But then again...I wouldnt' mix on headphones. > I've rarely screwed up mixes as well as when I tried to mix using > headphones instead of monitors. > > Greg > > > --- Clifford Novey wrote: > > Sony model MDR-7506 are probably the ones you were told about. > > > > Cliff > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Flizoyd@aol.com [mailto:Flizoyd@aol.com] > > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 1:01 AM > > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: headphones > > > > > > > > dear list: i was told that a certain type of sony headphone is great > > for > > doing mixes becuase of its "true" or flat sound. i forget which it > > was > > and it was a while ago .does anyone have an idea of what headphone > > is > > best for mixing a project down while livung in an apartment. > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 3 19:15:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05018; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:14:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:14:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D754156.7050308@wanadoo.fr> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 01:10:14 +0200 From: "o.malhomme" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; fr-FR; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: fr-fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: carvin holdsworth signature pick up References: <200208270346.XAA29445@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry to bother you all: I'd like to buy a Carvin Holdsworth signature H22N pick up, unfortunately, Carvin is not imported in France where I live. The idea would be to benefit the possibility of having someone livin in the US order it for me and send it to France after I have of course covered all expenses... Please answer me privately of course... Sorry again to disturb you all with this by far very off topic post, as a cheap excuse, I can promise I'll loop extensively with it! Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 3 19:16:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05191; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:15:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:15:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:15:08 EDT Subject: Re: Happy Birthday LD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_de.2c9582cc.2aa69c7c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: <-sP5uD.A.MPB.NKUd9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_de.2c9582cc.2aa69c7c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/3/02 3:22:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, psychle62@yahoo.com writes: > What'd I miss? :-) you were missed.....welcome back tim!.....michael --part1_de.2c9582cc.2aa69c7c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/3/02 3:22:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, psychle62@yahoo.com writes:


What'd I miss? :-)


you were missed.....welcome back tim!.....michael --part1_de.2c9582cc.2aa69c7c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 3 19:22:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05923; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:21:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:21:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.6; T1.001; A1.48; B2.12; Q2.03) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 23:21:38 UT From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Epoch: 1031095299 X-Sasl-enc: u4RnOyKdMspedPcTpx20Og Subject: Re: carvin holdsworth signature pick up Message-Id: <20020903232139.067692FD60@server3.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wouldn't it be easier to do it through one of their european distributors? Ernesto On Wed, 04 Sep 2002 01:10:14 +0200, "o.malhomme" said: > Sorry to bother you all: > > I'd like to buy a Carvin Holdsworth signature H22N pick up, > unfortunately, Carvin is not imported in France where I live. > The idea would be to benefit the possibility of having someone livin in > the US order it for me and send it to France after I have of course > covered all expenses... > Please answer me privately of course... -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm -- Does exactly what it says on the tin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 3 21:09:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13778; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:05:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:05:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: <107.17634023.2aa6b61f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:04:31 EDT Subject: Volume pedal feedback control for the EDP... To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 Resent-Message-ID: <5ZiCRB.A.tWD.8wVd9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Volume pedal feedback control for the EDP... Now, can I get a volume pedal, and hook it to the 1/4" feedback jack in the back? If so, do I plug in to the in, or the out on the volume pedal itself? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 3 21:28:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14611; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:22:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:22:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 18:22:08 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater levels/ noise From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I noticed a lot of hiss over headphones playing with Rick's Repeater. I assumed it was a problem with the headphone output, though it was pretty annoying. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 3 22:20:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18532; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:19:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:19:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020903191942.0239c708@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 19:21:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Volume pedal feedback control for the EDP... In-Reply-To: <107.17634023.2aa6b61f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <4PFme.A.KhE.-1Wd9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com see the echoplex footpedal tutorial at Looper's Delight: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html kim At 06:04 PM 9/3/2002, Looping9string@aol.com wrote: >Volume pedal feedback control for the EDP... > >Now, can I get a volume pedal, and hook it to the 1/4" feedback jack in the >back? > >If so, do I plug in to the in, or the out on the volume pedal itself? ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 3 23:11:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22378; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 23:06:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 23:06:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c253be$ec76de60$17ce97c8@fuckinmachine> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020902232133.02283d08@loopers-delight.com> Subject: happy birthday LD !!! Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:02:14 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks to everybody at the list !!! i had been here for 4 years learning a lot ... good health to LD !!! julio , from Salvador city , Bahia , Brasil . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 3 23:12:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22728; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 23:12:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 23:12:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.205.198.12] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 03:11:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Sep 2002 03:11:22.0529 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF21E110:01C253C0] Resent-Message-ID: <8y9EMB.A.uiF.8nXd9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com unsubscribe _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 3 23:16:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23005; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 23:16:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 23:16:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020903211749.008a9940@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:17:49 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Repeater levels/ noise In-Reply-To: <20020903220540.60665.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually, out of the three that I've heard that are supposed to be functioning normally, they are inherently noisy to some degree. Regardless of the signal level, there's a noise floor which sounds like a modulated hum with a slight hiss. It seems to be more pronounced in the headphone jack, but with proper levels, it probably won't be easily heard if at all. The main outs seem quieter, and again, should work fine at proper levels. Smiles, CQ At 03:05 PM 9/3/02 -0700, you wrote: >--- "Mike B (digiboy)" wrote: > >> Actually, listening thru a headset with nothing plugged in and the >> track >> levels all the way down and the input level all the way down, I hear >> that same noise/hum if I crank the headset. > >Through the headphone outputs of the Repeater? I think it's headphone >amp is noisy. Check it's main outputs and see if they are similarly >noisy. > >> Are these Repeaters inherently noisey? > >Not unless you run them with improper signal levels. The Repeater is >designed for line level signals. I don't know the handsonic for sure, >but I'd expect it to produce lower signal levels, so a preamp will >probaby be required to get it's level up to what the Repeater wants. Or >try the Handsonic into the "instrument level" input on the Repeater's >front panel, that may help. > >Greg > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes >http://finance.yahoo.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 3 23:39:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24108; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 23:38:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 23:38:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: digiboy@pop-server.nyc.rr.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020903211749.008a9940@pop.earthlink.net> References: <20020903220540.60665.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 23:50:53 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Mike B (digiboy)" Subject: Re: Repeater levels/ noise Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Actually, out of the three that I've heard that are supposed to be >functioning normally, they are inherently noisy to some degree. Regardless >of the signal level, there's a noise floor which sounds like a modulated >hum with a slight hiss. It seems to be more pronounced in the headphone >jack, but with proper levels, it probably won't be easily heard if at all. >The main outs seem quieter, and again, should work fine at proper levels. > >Smiles, > >CQ The headphone amp is noisy but there is also that noise floor as you say. I have made significant progress in the last few hours by just being very, very careful with the input levels, trying to get every ounce of gain without clipping. Most digital gear has a lot more headroom than this thing. Pitch and tempo shifting also generates more noise, but works a lot better when the input level is optimum. I have to admit I still haven't sat down and gone thru the manual page by page, the little beast is so darned intuitive and just begs to be messed with...but maybe I really should. thanks, Mike b Mike Berman digiboy@nyc.rr.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 4 00:09:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26557; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 00:04:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 00:04:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D7585DD.E201719B@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 00:02:37 -0400 From: Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: headphones References: <134.13bdb4f7.2aa474c1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i was told that a certain type of sony headphone is great for doing > mixes becuase of its "true" or flat sound. The Sony MDR-V6/7506 (same thing, different price) is probably the one you were referred to. I wouldn't say it's loud (unless you turn the volume up), but it is just slightly bright, which is a good thing, because it helps you hear detail and things like hiss. It also has fantastic low frequency extension, so you can hear things like microphone rumble (which you can't on most nearfield monitors, unless you have a really good sub). I would have to disagree with the HD600 as a monitoring headphone. It's fine for "pleasure" listening, but I would not use it for critical listening -- the upper frequency extension is too laid back, so you'll be straining to hear detail. It's also open, which makes it a bad choice for mixing. > Doesen't really matter to me- any monitor/headphone you buy will > need to be "learned" - This is brilliant advice. Whatever you do, learn it. I also agree with the advice of listening to your mix on multiple platforms -- even a mono one -- before distribution. > The only thing that I hate about the MDR-7506 is the suction on > my ears with bass notes, ugggh! Not sure I understand this, but if you're talking about the pad, there's actually a mod for this. I forget which model, exactly, but you buy a replacement pad for one of the Beyer's, and put it on. It's on here somewhere: http://www.head-fi.org/ This is where I get most of my advice. (I actually know more about headphones than looping. I have...[does a quick count]...over 10 pairs of headphones. And growing.) > for mixing I'd have to reccommend the AKG 240S. I've heard good things about those, too. I'll have to get a pair (see?). Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > i like beyerdynamic dt's. > best, > dt / splattercell Aw, sweet, you wouldn't mean the DT770's, would you? I _live_ in those. But again, not the last word in detail. -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 4 00:49:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29059; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 00:48:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 00:48:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020903234813.008b6ad0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 23:48:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Repeater levels/ noise In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020903211749.008a9940@pop.earthlink.net> References: <20020903220540.60665.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have noticed that if I don't run my Repeater a bit "hot" I'll get some noise. Very level sensitive I've found. M.. At 09:17 PM 9/3/02 -0600, you wrote: > Actually, out of the three that I've heard that are supposed to be >functioning normally, they are inherently noisy to some degree. Regardless >of the signal level, there's a noise floor which sounds like a modulated >hum with a slight hiss. It seems to be more pronounced in the headphone >jack, but with proper levels, it probably won't be easily heard if at all. >The main outs seem quieter, and again, should work fine at proper levels. > >Smiles, > >CQ > >At 03:05 PM 9/3/02 -0700, you wrote: >>--- "Mike B (digiboy)" wrote: >> >>> Actually, listening thru a headset with nothing plugged in and the >>> track >>> levels all the way down and the input level all the way down, I hear >>> that same noise/hum if I crank the headset. >> >>Through the headphone outputs of the Repeater? I think it's headphone >>amp is noisy. Check it's main outputs and see if they are similarly >>noisy. >> >>> Are these Repeaters inherently noisey? >> >>Not unless you run them with improper signal levels. The Repeater is >>designed for line level signals. I don't know the handsonic for sure, >>but I'd expect it to produce lower signal levels, so a preamp will >>probaby be required to get it's level up to what the Repeater wants. Or >>try the Handsonic into the "instrument level" input on the Repeater's >>front panel, that may help. >> >>Greg >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes >>http://finance.yahoo.com >> >> > > >--- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. >-Then, anything is possible..." > >http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > >Please visit The Guitar Cafe. > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 4 01:36:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA00303; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 01:35:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 01:35:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c253d4$e6769b20$0101a8c0@o4z6b8> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <20020903232139.067692FD60@server3.fastmail.fm> Subject: Re: carvin holdsworth signature pick up Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 07:35:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Through the Italian distributor the price is waaaaaaay higher. Count that for a Bolty (from 480$ base model) here they want almost 1000$ or higher. I work in a musical instrument shop and we are trying to buy them right in the US, too. Peace Luigi ----- Original Message ----- From: "ernesto schnack" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 1:21 AM Subject: Re: carvin holdsworth signature pick up > Wouldn't it be easier to do it through one of their european > distributors? > > Ernesto > > On Wed, 04 Sep 2002 01:10:14 +0200, "o.malhomme" > said: > > Sorry to bother you all: > > > > I'd like to buy a Carvin Holdsworth signature H22N pick up, > > unfortunately, Carvin is not imported in France where I live. > > The idea would be to benefit the possibility of having someone livin in > > the US order it for me and send it to France after I have of course > > covered all expenses... > > Please answer me privately of course... > > -- > ernesto schnack > http://schnack.does.it > > -- > http://fastmail.fm -- Does exactly what it says on the tin > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 4 11:21:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10882; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 11:16:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 11:16:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D762422.D5E651C8@friendlyspider.com> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 10:17:56 -0500 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater levels/ noise References: <20020903220540.60665.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.3.32.20020903234813.008b6ad0@mail.airmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't have a Repeater... But in all this talk about noise, I've never heard anyone mention if the noise is in the audio files after they have been transferred to a computer ? This would be the most troubling for me ..... And I wonder if this noise/memory card thang is a problem with the GNX3...? I have a Boss BR532 4 track and I have no noise problems.... -- gary @friendlyspider.com Wish I could dismantle my JamMan, add CFC card support, more memory and multiple tracks...... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 4 11:54:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13311; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 11:52:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 11:52:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 08:51:43 -0700 Subject: Squirrely EDP: Fixed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3D73D992.EE5804E2@earthlink.net> Message-Id: <35D64000-C01E-11D6-A65B-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, I finally got sick of the occasional rebooting of my EDP and opened it up. I'm glad I did, as it wasn't a eprom that needed reseating. The eprom had been put in so that one of the pins wasn't even in it's socket! It was bent and touching the contact, but not in it. YIPE! How did that get out the door? I had to be very gentle, but I got it straightened out and back in and now all seems fine. So anyway, if your EDP is acting weird, open it up and take a look. I also noticed that it took a lot less force to get the eproms out than other devices I've done this too. Probably why a lot of us have to reseat then in the first place. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 4 12:03:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15367; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 12:03:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 12:03:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 09:02:39 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater levels/ noise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020903220540.60665.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, September 3, 2002, at 03:05 PM, Greg House wrote: >> Are these Repeaters inherently noisey? > > Not unless you run them with improper signal levels. The Repeater is > designed for line level signals. I don't know the handsonic for sure, > but I'd expect it to produce lower signal levels, so a preamp will > probaby be required to get it's level up to what the Repeater wants. I'm sure the Handsonic is just like every other piece of Roland electronic drum gear, and it puts out a nice line level. Make sure the output is pretty much all the way up. Boosting a weak signal is a good way to get noise. I just realized... are you using the front jack on the Repeater? That would do it, as it's designed for lower level stuff like a guitar. Also, there's the phono inputs. Avoid them unless you're using a phonograph. Also, the Repeater is really not made to go into the input of a guitar amp. Electrix recommended that the front input level should be around 10:00. Unless you've got a defective unit, the Repeater should be pretty damn quiet. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 4 12:11:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16231; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 12:11:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 12:11:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 09:10:59 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater levels/ noise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What what what? I just double checked this with a pair of AKG K240DF with the headphone gain at 6 and I couldn't hear any excessive hiss or noise at all. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, September 3, 2002, at 06:22 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > I noticed a lot of hiss over headphones playing with Rick's Repeater. I > assumed it was a problem with the headphone output, though it was pretty > annoying. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 4 13:13:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22078; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 13:11:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 13:11:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: digiboy@pop-server.nyc.rr.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 13:23:30 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Mike B (digiboy)" Subject: Re: Repeater levels/ noise Resent-Message-ID: <2f-I2D.A.YYF.S6jd9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >What what what? I just double checked this with a pair of AKG K240DF >with the headphone gain at 6 and I couldn't hear any excessive hiss or >noise at all. > >Mark Sottilaro Well I use SONY 7506's .Headphone efficiency could make a huge difference. With headphone output at 6 on the Sony's I hear the same thing as described by "Goddess": > Actually, out of the three that I've heard that are supposed to be >functioning normally, they are inherently noisy to some degree. Regardless >of the signal level, there's a noise floor which sounds like a modulated >hum with a slight hiss. It seems to be more pronounced in the headphone >jack, but with proper levels, it probably won't be easily heard if at all. But now that I have a better angle on recording with good levels, I doubt I would ever want to turn the Sony's up much past 3. Either my repeater's headphone amp is very hot or the 7506's are very efficient because with properly recorded track levels and track playback levels only hitting around the "0" marks, turning the headphones to 6 is deafening. At 3, that noise is negligible at worst. I can't hear it at all. Maybe I'm rationalizing. I wish that noise wasn't there but from what others here are saying apparently it's normal and just needs to be handled by making good recordings. Mike Berman digiboy@nyc.rr.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 4 13:17:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22546; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 13:16:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 13:16:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Brother Sean" To: Subject: EDP midi start/stop commands Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 12:19:12 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c25437$30529c50$5610d0cf@GEORGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2540D.477E1AF0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2540D.477E1AF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can the EDP send a midi start or stop command when sent a specific note value? I think this is possible but not sure. I'm using Loop IV with my EDP but haven't quite been able to get this to work. THE REASON I NEED THIS FUNCTIONALITY IS BELOW: I use an akai MPC2000xl as my sequencer and it is driving an old roland CR-78 drum machine. My problem is I want my CR-78 to be able to start and stop in the middle of my mpc2000xl sequence. But no one knows how to get the akai to send out midi start and stop commands in the middle of a sequence. When I press start or stop on the akai that works great and sends a midi start or stop command to the CR-78 but in the middle of a sequence I have no control. So my plan is to have my midi clock run from my akai -> EDP -> CR78. I can send note values all day long from the akai to anything. So if there are note values that will make the EDP send midi start/stop messages that should work cause then it will drive the CR78 rather than the akai. What do you think? Any advice/help is much appreciated! Kevin McPeak Brother Sean www.brothersean.com ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2540D.477E1AF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Can the EDP send a midi start or stop command when = sent a specific note value?

I think this is possible but not sure. I’m = using Loop IV with my EDP but haven’t quite been able to get this to = work.

 

THE REASON I NEED THIS FUNCTIONALITY IS = BELOW:

I use an akai MPC2000xl = as my sequencer and it is driving an old roland CR-78 drum machine.

My problem is I want my CR-78 to be able to start and = stop in the middle of my mpc2000xl sequence. But no = one

knows how to get the akai to send out midi start and stop = commands in the middle of a sequence. When I press = start

or stop on = the akai that works great and sends a midi start or = stop command to the CR-78 but in the middle of a sequence =

I have no control.

 

So my plan is to have my midi clock run from my akai -> EDP -> CR78. I can send note values = all day long from the akai

to = anything. So if there are note values that will make the EDP send midi start/stop = messages that should work cause then

it will = drive the CR78 rather than the akai. What do you = think?

 

Any advice/help is much = appreciated!

 

Kevin = McPeak

Brother Sean

www.brothersean.com

 

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2540D.477E1AF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 4 13:29:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22976; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 13:21:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 13:21:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020904172024.70536.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 10:20:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Repeater levels/ noise To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "Mike B (digiboy)" wrote: > Either my repeater's headphone amp is very hot or the 7506's are > very efficient because with properly recorded track levels and track > playback levels only hitting around the "0" marks, turning the > headphones to 6 is deafening. The 7506s are a very efficient headphone. LOUDer then most headphones. Great for tracking or listening in a noisy environment. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 4 14:22:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28835; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:21:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:21:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c2543f$b5fb18c0$0101a8c0@o4z6b8> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater levels/ noise Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 20:20:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, the repeater amp is pretty hot. I,too can't use the headphones levels higher than 3. This depends also on the resistance of the headphones. For example AKG makes two kinds of every serie of headphones, M and S. All the M have a value of 600 Ohms (and therefore are lower in perceived volume) and the S are 55 Ohm, so they sound louder. Peace Luigi P.S. Happy birthday LD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike B (digiboy)" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 7:23 PM Subject: Re: Repeater levels/ noise > >What what what? I just double checked this with a pair of AKG K240DF > >with the headphone gain at 6 and I couldn't hear any excessive hiss or > >noise at all. > > > >Mark Sottilaro > > Well I use SONY 7506's .Headphone efficiency could make a huge difference. > With headphone output at 6 on the Sony's I hear the same thing as > described by "Goddess": > > > Actually, out of the three that I've heard that are supposed to be > >functioning normally, they are inherently noisy to some degree. Regardless > >of the signal level, there's a noise floor which sounds like a modulated > >hum with a slight hiss. It seems to be more pronounced in the headphone > >jack, but with proper levels, it probably won't be easily heard if at all. > > > But now that I have a better angle on recording with good levels, I doubt I > would ever want to turn the Sony's up much past 3. > Either my repeater's headphone amp is very hot or the 7506's are very > efficient because with properly recorded track levels and track playback > levels only hitting around the "0" marks, turning the headphones to 6 is > deafening. At 3, that noise is negligible at worst. I can't hear it at all. > > Maybe I'm rationalizing. I wish that noise wasn't there but from what > others here are saying apparently it's normal and just needs to be handled > by making good recordings. > > Mike Berman > digiboy@nyc.rr.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 4 14:46:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30340; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:41:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:41:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D7653B5.6A950392@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 11:40:53 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater levels/ noise References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Mike B (digiboy)" wrote: > Maybe I'm rationalizing. I wish that noise wasn't there but from what > others here are saying apparently it's normal and just needs to be handled > by making good recordings. Every piece of gear has some noise, it's the nature of reality. There's no such thing as an entirely quiet piece of gear, but some are better than others. The best gear (I'm not saying the Repeater is, but it's pretty good) still needs a good gain stage to show it's dynamic range. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 4 14:58:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31608; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:58:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:58:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: Squirrely EDP: Fixed Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:58:53 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <35D64000-C01E-11D6-A65B-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Glad you found the problem. I'll be speaking to the test engineers tomorrow as they are making more units at the end of the week. Can you remember if the sockets for the EPROMS had round pins or flat pins where the chip legs locate? I changed from the flat, clamp-like sockets a couple of years ago due to the chips working loose. The newer round-pin sockets are much higher quality, (supposedly better retention) and I'd be really interested in which ones your unit has. Thanks, Andy. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: 04 September 2002 16:52 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Squirrely EDP: Fixed OK, I finally got sick of the occasional rebooting of my EDP and opened it up. I'm glad I did, as it wasn't a eprom that needed reseating. The eprom had been put in so that one of the pins wasn't even in it's socket! It was bent and touching the contact, but not in it. YIPE! How did that get out the door? I had to be very gentle, but I got it straightened out and back in and now all seems fine. So anyway, if your EDP is acting weird, open it up and take a look. I also noticed that it took a lot less force to get the eproms out than other devices I've done this too. Probably why a lot of us have to reseat then in the first place. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 4 16:53:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07905; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 16:51:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 16:51:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D76720D.83437A51@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 13:50:20 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Squirrely EDP: Fixed References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It had the round sockets. I just remember changing the eproms on my AdrenaLinn a few months ago and it seemed to take a lot more effort to pry them out (with a chip puller) than it did taking out the EDP eproms. Could it be the chip itself have thinner contacts? Is this all just a ploy to get me to upgrade to Loop4? ;) "Loop4! Now with BIG contacts!" Anyway, this chip didn't "work itself out" it just seemed to have gotten put in badly. I'll keep an eye on it and see how it goes. Mark Sottilaro Andy Ewen wrote: > Glad you found the problem. I'll be speaking to the test engineers tomorrow > as they are making more units at the end of the week. > Can you remember if the sockets for the EPROMS had round pins or flat pins > where the chip legs locate? I changed from the flat, clamp-like sockets a > couple of years ago due to the chips working loose. The newer round-pin > sockets are much higher quality, (supposedly better retention) and I'd be > really interested in which ones your unit has. > Thanks, > Andy. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: 04 September 2002 16:52 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Squirrely EDP: Fixed > > OK, I finally got sick of the occasional rebooting of my EDP and opened > it up. I'm glad I did, as it wasn't a eprom that needed reseating. The > eprom had been put in so that one of the pins wasn't even in it's > socket! It was bent and touching the contact, but not in it. YIPE! > How did that get out the door? I had to be very gentle, but I got it > straightened out and back in and now all seems fine. So anyway, if your > EDP is acting weird, open it up and take a look. I also noticed that it > took a lot less force to get the eproms out than other devices I've done > this too. Probably why a lot of us have to reseat then in the first > place. > > Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 4 17:10:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09885; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:04:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:04:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: headphones Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 23:06:40 +0200 Message-ID: <000c01c25456$f6e77600$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3D7585DD.E201719B@patriot.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Peter, thanks for your hint regarding the head-fi web page. I just took a quick look at both the site and at the AKG website to see if the two pairs of cans I do own do still exist (and/or are mentioned) - a K270 and a K500. The K270 came out as a winner in a personal listening contest I conducted some 13 (?) years ago, and were actually the only ones in the price range below 700DM (at that time ~$400?) that could compete with a pair of Staxes. I got the K500 ~4 years ago when a Hi-Fi shop threw them out at something like DM99, and I simply had to get that pro-looking AKG for that price without checking it out (seems the specific model was at that time replaced by the K501 ?) While I still do think the 270s do sound more "real" (as far as this can be said about any headphones), when musicking, I do mostly use the K500s, simply for their great comfort and their very "open" sound character. So based on my limited experience, while the K270s are the ones for anyone doing sound engineering jobs with cans, the 500s are the ones to wear when simply strapping on the bass at midnight, turning on the looprack and playing away... Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 4 17:20:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11040; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:19:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:19:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016f01c25458$005c4f20$6464f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200209041713.NAA22273@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: re: CDR longevity Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:14:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steuart asked about CDR longevity: I've never had a single complaint, Steuart and I've been putting them out for the last three years. The media cost is so inexpensive that I don't even worry about it, frankly, I just let people know that I"ll burn them another one if they ever need me to. You can always put 'lifetime guarantee' on a website but I doubt you'd ever have a single person take you up on it. I have this theory: most people don't listen to an individual CD very many times...........usually, unless they are in love with it (which is rare) most people will only listen to something they own once or twice, maybe a half a dozen times. What is everyone else's experience with this little theory? I've just noticed my own listening habits in this regard. I have hundreds and hundreds of CDs that I never listen to. I love owning them because, occasionally I go back in and play something for my wife or for a student, but you get my drift. Maybe I'm just a music slut,however..............LOL take care, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 4 17:26:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11639; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:25:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:25:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c25459$e079dae0$8c444ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <200209041713.NAA22273@hemlock.violacea.com> <016f01c25458$005c4f20$6464f93f@global> Subject: Re: CDR longevity Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 22:27:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I have this theory: most people don't listen to an individual CD very many > times...........usually, unless they are in love with it (which is rare) > most people will only listen to something they own once or twice, maybe a > half a dozen times. > > What is everyone else's experience with this little theory? it varies wildly with me - I've got quite a few CDs that I've only listened to once or twice, but then today I've listened to Claude Voit's CD four times (I've had it about three days and am already close to double figures, listening-wise...) A lot depends on how much I've bought recently - some great albums have been lost in the midst of a spending spree before now. Whereas recently I've been curbing my spending a little, and until this weekend was listening to the new James Taylor album almost exclusively for ages... :o) ...add to that my recently restored record deck, and the 700 LPs I'm currently re-exploring, and we're living in happy times... :o) cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk (on tour in the UK throughout September with 21st Century Schizoid Band - dates here) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 4 17:34:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12159; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:34:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:34:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: CDR longevity Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 16:31:27 -0500 Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148D031@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: CDR longevity Thread-Index: AcJUWb4oSrwl7cIlT8O1hrwu/HV1VwAAGokw From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA12125 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I have this theory: most people don't listen to an individual CD very many > times...........usually, unless they are in love with it (which is rare) > most people will only listen to something they own once or twice, maybe a > half a dozen times. > > What is everyone else's experience with this little theory? ** depends on the disc and my mood. i've had some stuff just sitting around (after extensive listening) for ages that i'll pull and listen to extensively. then there are things that get one or two listens and then hit the shelves for a long time. then there are things that i bought that are "iffy" - - of that i'm not ready for yet - - that are waiting for their time. i very rarely just dump stuff i get: first i make fairly informed purchases, and second i tend (as i mentioned) to wait for stuff to find its way to me. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 4 17:50:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12619; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:42:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:42:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d901c2545b$d519f340$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148D031@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: CDR longevity Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:41:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have seen cheap cdr with deteriorating metal film layer- but only on the cheap stuff- I would suggest buying from reputable co - I have good experiences with Fuji, Memorex, TDK- but have seen a few bad PNY brand which I bought heavily for a little while- and nowadays even the decent ones are below cheap- 50x80min Memorex $16 before $10 mail in rebateat Best Buy last week. Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 4 18:04:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14948; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:03:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:03:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D768226.90901@wanadoo.fr> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 23:59:02 +0200 From: "o.malhomme" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; fr-FR; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: fr-fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Carvin pu: a massive thanks References: <200209041713.NAA22278@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am unfortunately off topic again, aren't I? Well, just wanted to say the reponse to my inquiry has been overwhelming. I want to express my gratitude to all the people who took time to answer and proposed to help. I wasn't surely expecting that many offers. That deeply moves me. . Paraphrasing (ouch! does it only exist in english?) Hobbes (I mean the tiger, not the philosopher) I would say "you can tell this is a great club when you get all warm and fuzzy inside" Thanks very much to you all! Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 4 18:10:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15321; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:10:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:10:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020904150512.022ee428@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: the truth is out there Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 15:07:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Carvin pu: a massive thanks In-Reply-To: <3D768226.90901@wanadoo.fr> References: <200209041713.NAA22278@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com but Hobbes the tiger is a philosopher, no? I introduced my 6 year old son to Calvin and Hobbes this last year. I think it's a great textbook for child-rearing... At 11:59 PM 2002/09/04 +0200, o.malhomme wrote: >Paraphrasing (ouch! does it only exist in english?) Hobbes (I mean the tiger, not the philosopher) I would say "you can tell this is a great club when you get all warm and fuzzy inside" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 4 18:48:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17554; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:47:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:47:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D768D7A.75DF9F03@bagend.com> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 17:47:22 -0500 From: Henry Heine X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: headphones References: <000c01c25456$f6e77600$0601a8c0@SATAN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <67MXhD.A.BSE.-1od9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com These headphones impressed me so much that I bought 4 pairs last month. For TRACKING, not mixing, though. The model HFI-650 http://www.ultrasone.de I've got *really* good speakers for mixing ;> I was demoing headphones at the NAMM show and had a listen to Beyers, Sennheisers, and AKG's. Honestly, these sounded better, and are very comfy, too. Plus, they have a trick hinge that lets you fold up one of the earmuffs so it seals against your head, which solves the leakage problem when the musician only wants to listen to the phones with one ear (the headphone monitors bleeding into the hot vocal mic). Also worth checking out are the Etymotic ER4S in-ear phones. These are really great for live recording engineers in the same room as the musicians. More than 20 dB isolation, incredible sounding...best bass response of any headphone I've ever tried. Not very convenient for a studio musician, though, as it takes a few minutes to get them set in your ears. My USD.02, Henry Heine henry@bagend.com Bag End Loudspeakers http://www.bagend.com Rainer Straschill wrote: > > Peter, > > thanks for your hint regarding the head-fi web page. I just took a quick > look at both the site and at the AKG website to see if the two pairs of cans > I do own do still exist (and/or are mentioned) - a K270 and a K500. > > The K270 came out as a winner in a personal listening contest I conducted > some 13 (?) years ago, and were actually the only ones in the price range > below 700DM (at that time ~$400?) that could compete with a pair of Staxes. > I got the K500 ~4 years ago when a Hi-Fi shop threw them out at something > like DM99, and I simply had to get that pro-looking AKG for that price > without checking it out (seems the specific model was at that time replaced > by the K501 ?) > > While I still do think the 270s do sound more "real" (as far as this can be > said about any headphones), when musicking, I do mostly use the K500s, > simply for their great comfort and their very "open" sound character. So > based on my limited experience, while the K270s are the ones for anyone > doing sound engineering jobs with cans, the 500s are the ones to wear when > simply strapping on the bass at midnight, turning on the looprack and > playing away... > > Rainer > > Rainer Straschill > Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de > digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de > The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 4 18:54:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18297; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:53:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:53:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 15:52:41 -0800 Subject: Re: Carvin pu: a massive thanks From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020904150512.022ee428@mail.mindspring.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com since we're all oh teein and such-i wanna know why those are so important?is it the name brand(allan holdswworth) er wot? just that i think in general,amps,guitars,pa s,are pretty cheap, cheap sounding, cheaply put together... i work w/ a band who has in their rider"no carvin or peavey equipment use in house" and there is a reason for that specifically. s (flame suit w/mask on!!) > but Hobbes the tiger is a philosopher, no? > > I introduced my 6 year old son to Calvin and Hobbes this last year. I think > it's a great textbook for child-rearing... > > > At 11:59 PM 2002/09/04 +0200, o.malhomme wrote: >> Paraphrasing (ouch! does it only exist in english?) Hobbes (I mean the tiger, >> not the philosopher) I would say "you can tell this is a great club when you >> get all warm and fuzzy inside" > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 4 19:12:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20303; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:08:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:08:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c25467$c4e06480$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: Subject: Re: Carvin pu: a massive thanks Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 16:06:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <_o_eyD.A.t6E.jIpd9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ya Stan- that's a joke- Carvin makes plenty of road worthy gear etc- from cheap entry models to very well built higher end equipment- having a rider like that is prima-donna land IMO. Jumping into my mind are all the expensive tube amps I've seen letting people down, terribly overpriced PRS/Gibson/Fender instruments- and of course I'd be willing to say that Fender and Gibson put out far crappier low end equipment than Carvin does in the lower range anyway- and at least Carvin does not overcharge for the nicer items. The Carvin pickups are not so important in general- but no one else make an Allan Holdsworth designed pickup- that's more than enough for some people to want to try it out I think. Cliff Thrower of Flame > since we're all oh teein and such-i wanna know why those are > so important?is it the name brand(allan holdswworth) er wot? > just that i think in general,amps,guitars,pa s,are pretty cheap, > cheap sounding, cheaply put together... > i work w/ a band who has in their rider"no carvin or peavey equipment use in > house" and there is a reason for that specifically. > s > (flame suit w/mask on!!) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 4 19:32:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21403; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:27:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:27:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c2546a$9634bb60$80dba942@cm53039a> From: "Kevin Brunkhorst" To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20020904150512.022ee428@mail.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Carvin pu: a massive thanks Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:27:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...and further paraprhrasing (courtesy of AltaVista's Babelfish, trnaslating from English to Korean and back again), I would like to say "you all, it was warm when and inside the cotton hair shape getting, it spreads out and there is a possibility of talking company one club this". just because, kevin At 11:59 PM 2002/09/04 +0200, o.malhomme wrote: > >Paraphrasing (ouch! does it only exist in english?) Hobbes (I mean the tiger, not the philosopher) I would say "you can tell this is a great club when you get all warm and fuzzy inside" > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 4 20:13:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24826; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 20:12:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 20:12:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 17:12:08 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater ruminations From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4NFBkB.A.cDG.TFqd9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I finally decided to just go for it and pick up one of the last Repeaters available in Santa Cruz county (or much of anywhere else that I've looked). Sylvan Music still has the floor model if anyone cares. If Union Grove has any, there's no sign of them on the floor. I grabbed one of the last EQ Killers as well. (Sylvan has a floor model left there as well.) I don't know whether I really need two so it might drift into being for sale, on the other hand, it's a great tool for post-processing loops without thoroughly whacking them. Now, unfortunately, I have to get back to work and hence don't get to play with my new toys. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 4 20:15:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25071; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 20:14:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 20:14:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <17e.dcbb038.2aa7fbdf@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 20:14:23 EDT Subject: OT: Re: Holdsworh Pickups To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all! In a message dated 9/4/02 4:10:16 PM, om@om-studios.com writes: >The Carvin pickups are not so important in general - but no one else >makes an Allan Holdsworth designed pickup - that's more than >enough for some people to want to try it out I think. Maybe not the same thing but Seymour Duncan still makes the SH-AH-1 Holdsworth Model on a custom order basis. It was developed by Seymour for Allan -- who used them pretty exclusively 'til Carvin made him a signature guitar and whole the endorsement deal had to change. Duncan doesn't make guitars alas, nor amps (anymore) either. Ciao, Ted Killian www.mp3.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 4 20:39:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26465; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 20:38:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 20:38:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: digiboy@pop-server.nyc.rr.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 20:50:54 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Mike B (digiboy)" Subject: Re: Repeater ruminations Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I finally decided to just go for it and pick up one of the last Repeaters >available in Santa Cruz county (or much of anywhere else that I've looked). > >Sylvan Music still has the floor model if anyone cares. There does seem to be a steady flow of them showing up on Ebay. 4 are up right now , and there's usually at least 1 or 2. They usually look to be in new or near new condition too. Generally they are going out for $500-$700 even used. If they continue coming in steadily, the prices may drop a bit. Mike Berman digiboy@nyc.rr.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 4 20:49:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27464; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 20:48:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 20:48:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Sender: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: OT-- Carvin pickups Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:47:14 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c25475$dc21baa0$4e07f843@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000701c25467$c4e06480$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8HcZz.A.2sG.Enqd9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a BUNCH of Carvin stuff--and I volunteered to buy these pickups for Oliver, because I live a mile from the Carvin factory (it's north, Dad's Bar is south--come visit) so I guess I need to check them out (although he declined my services) . . . I have played the Holdsworth guitar there a few times, liked it and was close to buying one, but have no need now . . . Hey Oliver, what is it about them that you like? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 4 20:51:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27705; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 20:51:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 20:51:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Sender: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Repeater ruminations Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:50:02 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c25476$30a096a0$4e07f843@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If they continue coming in steadily, the prices may drop a bit. Mike Berman digiboy@nyc.rr.com With regard to the Repeater-- I doubt the used price will drop--at least until the stereo EDP with SmartMedia ships (hey, just kidding) Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 4 21:16:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30043; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 21:12:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 21:12:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 18:12:11 -0700 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Re: CDR longevity To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <024801c25479$431ff8e0$0282c83f@kinesys1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148D031@mitorexch01.maritz.com> <00d901c2545b$d519f340$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> Resent-Message-ID: <6ZBFV.A.RVH.s9qd9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> i know that some of you all do your >> own CD-R releases for selling at gigs, etc. I had been giving out a lot of demos for my projects on CD-R (burned with Nero and Plextor) and have gotten a couple e-mails that some skipped etc ... who knows if it was the burner or reader that was at fault ... I just send them a new one. Most people don't even know or care that the packing isn't totally pro, but I do print up nice labels and inserts. On a side note, there is one brand of CD labels that has a tendency to get stuck in car CD players since it's surface is slick ... Fellowes Quality Matte finish ... great for print quality, but I stay away from those now. >> i've heard that there is an issue of longevity >> with this medium (as opposed to regular CDs) >> - - errors, decay, etc. Check these links for some general numbers ... http://www.cd-info.com/CDIC/Technology/CD-R/Media/TDK.html http://www.cd-info.com/CDIC/Technology/CD-R/Media/Kodak.html They are claiming 200+ years ... although I have heard of people who live near the ocean having CDs fall to pieces after only 10 years. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clifford Novey" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 2:41 PM Subject: Re: CDR longevity > I have seen cheap cdr with deteriorating metal film layer- but only on the > cheap stuff- I would suggest buying from reputable co - I have good > experiences with Fuji, Memorex, TDK- but have seen a few bad PNY brand which > I bought heavily for a little while- and nowadays even the decent ones are > below cheap- 50x80min Memorex $16 before $10 mail in rebateat Best Buy last > week. > Cliff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 4 21:36:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31163; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 21:35:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 21:35:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006a01c25544$8b2092a0$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148D031@mitorexch01.maritz.com><00d901c2545b$d519f340$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> <024801c25479$431ff8e0$0282c83f@kinesys1> Subject: Re: CDR longevity Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 21:27:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matt: You're on the money re: the Fellowes Quality Matte finish labels. Those suckers also have a tendency to bubble. Not good. They sound like a stick on a picket fence when they're spinning around in a CD-Rom drive.It seems to happen to select CD's after a couple months. Regards, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lawrence" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 9:12 PM Subject: Re: CDR longevity > >> i know that some of you all do your > >> own CD-R releases for selling at gigs, etc. > > I had been giving out a lot of demos for my projects on CD-R (burned with > Nero and Plextor) and have gotten a couple e-mails that some skipped etc ... > who knows if it was the burner or reader that was at fault ... I just send > them a new one. Most people don't even know or care that the packing isn't > totally pro, but I do print up nice labels and inserts. > > On a side note, there is one brand of CD labels that has a tendency to get > stuck in car CD players since it's surface is slick ... Fellowes Quality > Matte finish ... great for print quality, but I stay away from those now. > > > >> i've heard that there is an issue of longevity > >> with this medium (as opposed to regular CDs) > >> - - errors, decay, etc. > > Check these links for some general numbers ... > > http://www.cd-info.com/CDIC/Technology/CD-R/Media/TDK.html > > http://www.cd-info.com/CDIC/Technology/CD-R/Media/Kodak.html > > They are claiming 200+ years ... although I have heard of people who live > near the ocean having CDs fall to pieces after only 10 years. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clifford Novey" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 2:41 PM > Subject: Re: CDR longevity > > > > I have seen cheap cdr with deteriorating metal film layer- but only on the > > cheap stuff- I would suggest buying from reputable co - I have good > > experiences with Fuji, Memorex, TDK- but have seen a few bad PNY brand > which > > I bought heavily for a little while- and nowadays even the decent ones are > > below cheap- 50x80min Memorex $16 before $10 mail in rebateat Best Buy > last > > week. > > Cliff > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 4 22:44:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06627; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 22:43:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 22:43:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: CDR longevity Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:40:18 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <016f01c25458$005c4f20$6464f93f@global> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick This is so synchronistic that you're writing this stuff below. First, cuz as I'm reading it I'm listening to your CD for the 1st time. Really digging it, and subjectively its a reminder that the only boundaries are the ones we create, There are no rules (as long as it grooves :-). I'm a music AND gear slut and I just picked up, after months of resistance, an iPod. Having like 100-400+/- CDs in one handy package makes me listen to a lot more stuff than I would normally. I'm talking about getting my selection of CD's on the hard drive, not Napstering. Highly recommended....very intense for any lover of music, but esp for artistes such as we. now I'm really gonna be seen as a gearslut :-0 _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL [mailto:GLOBAL@cruzio.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 2:14 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: re: CDR longevity > > > Steuart asked about CDR longevity: > > I've never had a single complaint, Steuart and I've been putting them out > for the last three years. > > The media cost is so inexpensive that I don't even worry about > it, frankly, > I just let people know that I"ll burn them another one if they > ever need me > to. You can always put 'lifetime guarantee' on a website but I doubt > you'd ever have a single person take you up on it. > > I have this theory: most people don't listen to an individual > CD very many > times...........usually, unless they are in love with it (which is rare) > most people will only listen to something they own once or twice, maybe a > half a dozen times. > > What is everyone else's experience with this little theory? > > > I've just noticed my own listening habits in this regard. I have hundreds > and hundreds of CDs that I never listen to. I love owning them because, > occasionally I go back in and play something for my wife or for a student, > but you get my drift. Maybe I'm just a music > slut,however..............LOL > > take care, Rick Walker (loop.pool) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 4 23:22:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09861; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 23:21:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 23:21:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Sender: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Roland PK-5 as Echoplex Controller Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 20:20:12 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c2548b$2b6323a0$5ed6f343@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020901120351.00b7a1e8@pop.charter.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Staying on this thread-- With the PMC on top, it behooves one to stand--not a bad thing, as I think folks like to see ya move-- Almost think it might be better to put the EDP foot controller on top and operate the PMC from the side--I'll see what happens-- Best part is having feedback and volume on the pedals--very cool--feedback on "C thru E" and volume on "F thru C"--what could be simpler? All 'n all, great to have more MIDI controllers than less for the EDP--especially with the visual controller feedback that Loop IV provides-- Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 5 00:09:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13038; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 00:09:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 00:09:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020905040832.86635.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 21:08:32 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: RE: Roland PK-5 as Echoplex Controller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000001c2548b$2b6323a0$5ed6f343@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What device are you using to program the PK-5? I seem to recall that you have to go thru an irritating sequence of steps for programming each pedal on the pedalboard that involves preparing the pedal to receive an incoming midi message & then sending the proper midi command from an external device. Of course, you can use the EDP itself to send most programming info (except for volume I think) or a midi keyboard. Have you discovered a more elegant programming solution? One is needed because you lose your user programs when the batteries die. You are correct about the great feel of the pedals. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 5 01:08:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17724; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 01:08:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 01:08:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001c2549b$19158520$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <3D76720D.83437A51@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Adrenalinn chips? Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 01:14:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop017.verizon.net from [151.203.199.67] using ID at Thu, 5 Sep 2002 00:07:46 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmm.. Adrenalinn chips? How do they differ from what come stock with the device? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 4:50 PM Subject: Re: Squirrely EDP: Fixed > It had the round sockets. I just remember changing the eproms on my > AdrenaLinn a few months ago and it seemed to take a lot more effort to pry > them out (with a chip puller) than it did taking out the EDP eproms. Could it > be the chip itself have thinner contacts? Is this all just a ploy to get me > to upgrade to Loop4? ;) "Loop4! Now with BIG contacts!" > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 5 01:12:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18002; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 01:12:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 01:12:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Sender: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Roland PK-5 as Echoplex Controller Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 22:11:23 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c2549a$b45102e0$d907f843@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020905040832.86635.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John Tidwell asked: What device are you using to program the PK-5? I seem to recall that you have to go thru an irritating sequence of steps for programming each pedal on the pedalboard that involves preparing the pedal to receive an incoming midi message & then sending the proper midi command from an external device. 'Tis true--gotta program it one time--I must confess that I am paying great attention to the tools used by my peers here on the list and so I had the Oxygen8 handy--but a sequencer or the PMC would also send the pertinent info. I didn't find it irritating . . . much more troublesome had it not received MIDI In . . . It also has the pipe thing goin' on (MIDI smart echo) . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 5 01:14:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18229; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 01:14:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 01:14:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006b01c2549b$ef076ae0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: Carvin pu: a massive thanks Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 01:20:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop017.verizon.net from [151.203.199.67] using ID at Thu, 5 Sep 2002 00:13:45 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The only piece of musical gear that I've owned for 22 years and that has NEVER caused a problem is my Carvin guitar. Seems to have been quite well built to me. I suffer ridicule regularly from people with Strats and Les Pauls, then they hear the damn thing and they shut up. That periods (80's) fat sounding pickups are not in vogue now, but they really help make a warm sound if your signal travels through a bunch of gear. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Card" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 7:52 PM Subject: Re: Carvin pu: a massive thanks > since we're all oh teein and such-i wanna know why those are > so important?is it the name brand(allan holdswworth) er wot? > just that i think in general,amps,guitars,pa s,are pretty cheap, > cheap sounding, cheaply put together... > i work w/ a band who has in their rider"no carvin or peavey equipment use in > house" and there is a reason for that specifically. > s > (flame suit w/mask on!!) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 5 01:29:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19097; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 01:29:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 01:29:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c2549d$3879cbe0$0101a8c0@o4z6b8> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <000701c25467$c4e06480$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> Subject: Re: Carvin pu: a massive thanks Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 07:29:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, for what I've tried in the last few months, Gibsons and Fenders are way crappier than any Carvin I've tried. We've got a ES175 that looked just worse than the Epi clone (and I mean the Chinese Epi, not Epiphone), for painting issues etc. and did sound worse than the Epiphone relative (It had microphonic pickups). Fender USA cut the costs of production so much that the Mexican ones are simply built better (not to talk about the Japanese ones). The new Eric Clapton model has the same Noiseless single coils that the Stratocaster Standard had a pair of years ago, same woods and very very similar construction to the '60 mexican riedition (and still costs like the one with the lace sensors). I've never seen Carvins so Crappy. Peace Luigi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clifford Novey" To: Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 1:06 AM Subject: Re: Carvin pu: a massive thanks > Ya Stan- that's a joke- Carvin makes plenty of road worthy gear etc- from > cheap entry models to very well built higher end equipment- having a rider > like that is prima-donna land IMO. > > Jumping into my mind are all the expensive tube amps I've seen letting > people down, terribly overpriced PRS/Gibson/Fender instruments- and of > course I'd be willing to say that Fender and Gibson put out far crappier low > end equipment than Carvin does in the lower range anyway- and at least > Carvin does not overcharge for the nicer items. > > The Carvin pickups are not so important in general- but no one else make an > Allan Holdsworth designed pickup- that's more than enough for some people to > want to try it out I think. > > Cliff > Thrower of Flame > > > since we're all oh teein and such-i wanna know why those are > > so important?is it the name brand(allan holdswworth) er wot? > > just that i think in general,amps,guitars,pa s,are pretty cheap, > > cheap sounding, cheaply put together... > > i work w/ a band who has in their rider"no carvin or peavey equipment use > in > > house" and there is a reason for that specifically. > > s > > (flame suit w/mask on!!) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 5 04:06:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA28036; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 04:06:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 04:06:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: EDP strangeness Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 01:06:36 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c254b3$280dd6f0$6401a8c0@om> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C25478.7BB08590" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C25478.7BB08590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all- I keep getting my EDP to enter Parameter mode when pressing and holding the Overdub on the EF7 (OD tog mode)- it is a bit erratic and am wondering if anyone elase has experienced a similar problem- Cliff www.om-studios.com ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C25478.7BB08590 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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I keep getting my EDP to enter Parameter mode when = pressing and holding the Overdub on the EF7 (OD tog mode)- it is a bit erratic = and am wondering if anyone elase has experienced a similar problem- =

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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C25478.7BB08590-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 5 05:48:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA01926; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 05:48:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 05:48:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: EDP sync question Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 02:48:42 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c254c1$6b753560$6401a8c0@om> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C25486.BF17E400" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C25486.BF17E400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello-=20 I am experimenting with the EDP sending clock out to a few other devices- a D-Two and a drum machine- only thing is if I copy a loop but allow the copy in loop 2 to be 2 loop cycles instead of just 1 the clock is now =BD the speed it was in the first loop- is there a way to = establish a clock output in relation to 1 loop cycle regardless of the number of cycles within a loop? Cliff =20 www.om-studios.com =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C25486.BF17E400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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I am experimenting with the EDP sending clock out to = a few other devices- a D-Two and a drum machine- only thing is if I copy a = loop but allow the copy in loop 2 to be 2 loop cycles instead of just 1 the clock = is now ½ the speed it was in the first loop- is there a way to establish = a clock output in relation to 1 loop cycle regardless of the number of = cycles within a loop?

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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C25486.BF17E400-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 5 07:25:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10492; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 07:25:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 07:25:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: EDP sync question Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 04:25:48 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c254ce$fbe2b4d0$6401a8c0@om> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C25494.4F83DCD0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C25494.4F83DCD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ignore that- my late night manual comprehension is very poor-=20 I realized that this happens when Multiplying and ending with Rec (which re-defines the cycle length)- if I end with Multiply it works fine (original cycle length retained)- I had no idea I was ending with Rec but my late night pedal mashing recollection is very poor. =20 Hey I just learned something else- if you go to a new loop with loop copy set to time or sound you can end with Multiply and retain the original cycle length and keep drum machines at same tempo OR you can end in Record which will redefine the loop length- if you use SwitchQuant as I am you will end up with an exact sound copy of the first loop but the drum machine is now playing at =BD the tempo it was before- cool! =20 The point of all this is to get as much loop/rhythm variation and freedom as possible while keeping a cohesive rhythm synced to the EDP- that is my goal for now anyway. =20 Good night. Cliff =20 www.om-studios.com =20 -----Original Message----- From: Clifford Novey [mailto:om@om-studios.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 2:49 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com (Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com) Subject: EDP sync question =20 Hello-=20 I am experimenting with the EDP sending clock out to a few other devices- a D-Two and a drum machine- only thing is if I copy a loop but allow the copy in loop 2 to be 2 loop cycles instead of just 1 the clock is now =BD the speed it was in the first loop- is there a way to = establish a clock output in relation to 1 loop cycle regardless of the number of cycles within a loop? Cliff =20 www.om-studios.com =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C25494.4F83DCD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ignore that- my late night manual comprehension is very poor-

I realized that this happens when = Multiplying and ending with Rec (which re-defines the cycle length)- if I end with = Multiply it works fine (original cycle length retained)- I had no idea I was = ending with Rec but my late night pedal mashing recollection is very = poor.

 

Hey I just learned something else- = if you go to a new loop with loop copy set to time or sound you can end with = Multiply and retain the original cycle length and keep drum machines at same = tempo OR you can end in Record which will redefine the loop length- if you use SwitchQuant as I am you will end up with an exact sound copy of the = first loop but the drum machine is now playing at =BD the tempo it was before- = cool!

 

The point of all this is to get as = much loop/rhythm variation and freedom as possible while keeping a cohesive = rhythm synced to the EDP- that is my goal for now anyway.

 

Good night.

Cliff

 

www.om-studios.com

 

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Subject: EDP sync = question

 

Hello-

I am experimenting with the EDP sending clock out to = a few other devices- a D-Two and a drum machine- only thing is if I copy a = loop but allow the copy in loop 2 to be 2 loop cycles instead of just 1 the clock is = now =BD the speed it was in the first loop- is there a way to establish a clock = output in relation to 1 loop cycle regardless of the number of cycles within a = loop?

Cliff

 

www.om-studios.com

 

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C25494.4F83DCD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 5 11:02:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28292; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:02:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:02:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020905150145.42519.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 08:01:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Working vs playing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Hamburg wrote: > Now, unfortunately, I have to get back to work and hence don't get to > play with my new toys. One of the more frustrating parts of life. Especially so when work is light and you're just there idling because it's expected. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 5 11:07:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28635; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:06:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:06:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020905150622.44339.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 08:06:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: OT: Re: Holdsworh Pickups To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <17e.dcbb038.2aa7fbdf@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Maybe not the same thing but Seymour Duncan still makes the SH-AH-1 > Holdsworth Model on a custom order basis. It was developed by Seymour > for Allan -- who used them pretty exclusively 'til Carvin made him a > signature > guitar and whole the endorsement deal had to change. Duncan doesn't > make guitars alas, nor amps (anymore) either. Actually, I'd love to try one of those Holdsworth model guitars (FatBoy) that Carvin makes. Not enough to buy one just to play it for a few minutes (and pay shipping both ways if I didn't like it), but if I was in SoCal I might go to their store and check it out. Apparently their endorsers actually play the instruments. I know a guy who's friends with Bunny Brunell and he says he's never seen Bunny with anything except one of his signature Carvin basses. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 5 11:27:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29800; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:26:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:26:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: faisalmoro@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020905150622.44339.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020905150622.44339.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 17:24:20 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: faisal moro Subject: JamMan remote display Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all i've recently seen that mr Warren Cuccurullo (from Frank Zappa to Duran Duran) has a custom built remote display connected to his JamMans. You can take a look at Warren's rig at this address: http://www.virtualguitarmagazine.com/Warren_Cuccurullo/wc_rig.htm I asked Bob Bradshaw, but he said he didn't built that. I asked Bob sellon but never had a reply (yet). Does anybody else has some similar devices or knows how to build it? thanks in advance Faisal From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 5 11:32:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30212; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:30:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:30:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020905145930.47833.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 07:59:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Carvin pu: a massive thanks To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Stan Card wrote: > since we're all oh teein and such-i wanna know why those p/us> are > so important?is it the name brand(allan holdswworth) er wot? > just that i think in general,amps,guitars,pa s,are pretty > cheap, cheap sounding, cheaply put together... While this may have some merit with selective pieces, I don't think it's true of their entire product line. The Carvin instruments I've played (a couple of guitars) were very nice. Felt good, nice playable neck, excellent setup, flexable pickup configuration. My friend bought a Carvin bass as a gift for his brother and he said it was an outstanding instrument, especially for the price. > i work w/ a band who has in their rider"no carvin or peavey equipment > use in house" and there is a reason for that specifically. I've heard some of the older Carvin PA gear was low quality. My friend replaced a Carvin PA with some other stuff and reported a massive improvement in sound quality. I ran sound for a band many years ago who had two power amps, one a Carvin. The Carvin consistantly sounded worse then the other, and despite it's higher rated output, didn't get as loud. Could have been something wrong with it... I can't speak for the current batch, but I've heard pretty positive reports from people on the web. I've heard four Carvin bass amps that I remember and thought they all sounded pretty good. A couple of friends with them reported problems, which were repaired under warranty. I've only played one of their guitar amps, a much older one from the early 80s. It sounded great and was very flexable, a lot like a MesaBoogie MkII. A guy I work with bought a more recent guitar amp and it had noise problems so he returned it. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 5 12:48:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03546; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:45:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:45:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <107.177aadc9.2aa8e3db@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:44:11 EDT Subject: Re: OT: Re: Holdsworh Pickups To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 
when i had carvin put my AE-185 together i had them put the Holdsworth 
pickups in its bridge position.....i have been very satisfied although i 
seldom use the bridge pickup.....over all, i have been very happy with my 
carvin, many different tones out of a well made great looking guitar and its 
light as a feather.....i feel sorry for people who play strats, in fact a 
buddy of mine just had his re-done and left it here for me to try out, i 
logged about 7 mins. on it and had to put it down, i keep telling him that it 
would make some great firewood.....now teles on the other hand, i love each 
and every one.....but i would never say that "all fenders suck" or "all 
carvins suck" or any all encompasing statement like that, in fact, you can 
send me any guitar of piece of equipment that you have that you think sucks, 
thank you very much.....michael

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>howdy,
>
>i know that some of you all do your own CD-R releases for selling at 
>gigs, etc.
>
>i've heard that there is an issue of longevity with this medium (as 
>opposed to regular CDs) - - errors, decay, etc.
>
>anyone have any comments?
>
I've distributed about 400 copies of my 2 CDR releases, and have yet 
to be contacted by anyone to have one replaced, for whatever that's 
worth. The general rule of thumb I use is that if you treat CDR's the 
way you *should* treat CD's, keep them in the jewel case when not 
playing, handle on the edges, etc, and avoid the bargain basement 
brands (I use Taiyo Yuden for master copies, sony/maxell/TDK for 
dupes), they should last as long as regular CD's.
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DAVID BEARDSLEY
Microtonal Just Intonation guitar, fretless guitar, 
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Saturday September 7th, 2002
9:30 p.m., $3.00
  Chama
  332 East 4th Street, between Aves C & D
  East Village, NYC 
  646-654-6472
"Phenomenal is one thought. Deep modern meditational tool is another." 
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Faisal....
Could be very simple if the JamMan (I have one)
uses a standardized LED display...
If you can isolate the wires running to it, just tap those
wires and use a switch with enuf throws and poles to
diverge the wires to jack on the casing where you can
hook the external wiring to go to another commercially
available LCD display....

This is as deep as I get into electronics (though I do have
a cerebral cortex to MIDI hardwire interface in the works,
just can't decide where to drill the hole - forehead, side,
behind the ear -- I don't want to look like a geek, after all)
--
gary


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faisal moro wrote:

> hi all
>
> i've recently seen that mr Warren Cuccurullo (from Frank Zappa to
> Duran Duran) has a custom built remote display connected to his
> JamMans.
>
> You can take a look at Warren's rig at this address:
> http://www.virtualguitarmagazine.com/Warren_Cuccurullo/wc_rig.htm
>
> I asked Bob Bradshaw, but he said he didn't built that.
> I asked Bob sellon but never had a reply (yet).
> Does anybody else has some similar devices or knows how to build it?
>
> thanks in advance
> Faisal




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My unit shipped with a bug in the software that caused odd clicky scratchy
sound when ever it was synched to a MIDI clock.  The new chips fixed the
problem.  They probably ship with the new software now.

Mark

David wrote:

> Hmmm.. Adrenalinn chips?  How do they differ from what come stock with the
> device?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 4:50 PM
> Subject: Re: Squirrely EDP: Fixed
>
> > It had the round sockets.  I just remember changing the eproms on my
> > AdrenaLinn a few months ago and it seemed to take a lot more effort to pry
> > them out (with a chip puller) than it did taking out the EDP eproms.
> Could it
> > be the chip itself have thinner contacts?  Is this all just a ploy to get
> me
> > to upgrade to Loop4? ;)  "Loop4!  Now with BIG contacts!"
> >

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I've found this to be awkward when working with an EDP and a drum
machine.  I wish there was a mode were you could have it define a clock
out and keep it the same until you told it to change.

Loop5?

Mark Sottilaro

Clifford Novey wrote:

> Ignore that- my late night manual comprehension is very poor-
>
> I realized that this happens when Multiplying and ending with Rec
> (which re-defines the cycle length)- if I end with Multiply it works
> fine (original cycle length retained)- I had no idea I was ending with
> Rec but my late night pedal mashing recollection is very poor.
>
> Hey I just learned something else- if you go to a new loop with loop
> copy set to time or sound you can end with Multiply and retain the
> original cycle length and keep drum machines at same tempo OR you can
> end in Record which will redefine the loop length- if you use
> SwitchQuant as I am you will end up with an exact sound copy of the
> first loop but the drum machine is now playing at * the tempo it was
> before- cool!
>
> The point of all this is to get as much loop/rhythm variation and
> freedom as possible while keeping a cohesive rhythm synced to the EDP-
> that is my goal for now anyway.
>
> Good night.
>
> Cliff
>
> www.om-studios.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clifford Novey [mailto:om@om-studios.com]
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> Hello-
>
> I am experimenting with the EDP sending clock out to a few other
> devices- a D-Two and a drum machine- only thing is if I copy a loop
> but allow the copy in loop 2 to be 2 loop cycles instead of just 1 the
> clock is now * the speed it was in the first loop- is there a way to
> establish a clock output in relation to 1 loop cycle regardless of the
> number of cycles within a loop?
>
> Cliff
>
> www.om-studios.com
>

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i have a bunny brunell bb75 and i like it a lot. 
it doesn't seem poorly constructed at all.

the case it came in is a bit flimsy, though...


> ...
> Apparently their endorsers actually play the instruments. I know a guy
> who's friends with Bunny Brunell and he says he's never seen Bunny with
> anything except one of his signature Carvin basses.
> 
> Greg 
> 
> 

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At 11:22 AM 9/5/2002, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
>I've found this to be awkward when working with an EDP and a drum
>machine.  I wish there was a mode were you could have it define a clock
>out and keep it the same until you told it to change.
>
>Loop5?
>
>Mark Sottilaro


LoopIV does that! You need to upgrade away from the old LoopIII. LoopIV has 
the Tempo Select function. You can predefine a tempo in BPM, even before 
you record any loops on the Echoplex. Midi clock will be sent at that tempo 
even before you record, with the StartSongs under your control. Any loops 
you record will be in that tempo. The tempo setting can be stored in 
presets as well, so you can call up different tempos for different songs by 
changing preset. If you decide you want to break out of the tempo, that is 
easily done as well either on the fly or by temporarily disabling the tempo 
before you record something.

upgrade Mark. what are you waiting for? Synchronization features are one of 
the biggest areas of new and improved functionality in LoopIV. (maybe the 
biggest area, in fact...) TempoSelect is just one of them.  If you work 
with midi clock and synchronization at all, LoopIV is sooo much easier to 
use than LoopIII, and so much more powerful. The new ReAlign by itself is 
worth it, just for how practical it makes working with a sequencer, let 
alone all the fun rhythm tricks you can make it do.

kim



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--- Kim Flint  wrote:
> upgrade Mark. what are you waiting for? 

we are all so happy now with our new programming
wouldn't you like to join us?

resistance is futile


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At 12:31 PM 9/5/2002 -0500, Gary Phillips wrote:

>This is as deep as I get into electronics (though I do have
>a cerebral cortex to MIDI hardwire interface in the works,
>just can't decide where to drill the hole - forehead, side,
>behind the ear -- I don't want to look like a geek, after all)

http://www.trepan.com

You might be able to find some helpful (not to mention therapeutic!) advice 
there.  And if you decide to go for the Black & Decker special, be careful 
-- I hear the friction can generate a lot of heat.

Cheers!  ;)

         -c-

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well yes it is because of the name indeed, but I also know the man is 
quite serious about what he plays.
Duncan pu AH models are totally impossible to find for me or at a 
proposed price of about 3 time the carvin one.
It also appears that AH really plays his Carvin Fatboy with his carvin 
pu. I know the sound of the Duncan models (a friend got one),  and I 
really like it.
I've been propsed to use a "Fed" instead, supposed to have a nice mellow 
sound though with enough bite. But it's connection with Joe Satriani 
made me wonder...
Honestly, I am puzzled that AH went from Bill de Lap to Carvin. I have a 
hard time imagining he prefers the Carvin guitar.
Especially knowing the quite insane stuff de Lap made for him (his 34 
and 36' scale neck for guitar, as an example)..

Olivier


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anyone got a phone number for gina renzi in philly?

replies off-list, natch....

thanks!

robert


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there's always room for one more.
one of us. one of us...

actually, i haven't tried this one yet.
does it actually change the 8th/cycle parameter to match 
the tempo automatically after record?

it might be cool to allow this after a loop is made without tempo set ahead of time.
ie  1. make loop of arbitrary length 
     2. drum machine (or sequencer etc.) kicks in. (tempo defined by loop length and 8ths/cycle)
     3. hit button that assigns the current tempo to the tempo select param.
     4. make new loop. (synched devices stay in current tempo)


> --- Kim Flint  wrote:
> > upgrade Mark. what are you waiting for? 
> 
> we are all so happy now with our new programming
> wouldn't you like to join us?
> 
> resistance is futile
> 

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I don't follow you- what is the goal? Is the last loop of different cycle
length or something?
Cliff

> does it actually change the 8th/cycle parameter to match
> the tempo automatically after record?
>
> it might be cool to allow this after a loop is made without tempo set
ahead of time.
> ie  1. make loop of arbitrary length
>      2. drum machine (or sequencer etc.) kicks in. (tempo defined by loop
length and 8ths/cycle)
>      3. hit button that assigns the current tempo to the tempo select
param.
>      4. make new loop. (synched devices stay in current tempo)



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-----Original Message-----
o.malhomme wrote:

Honestly, I am puzzled that AH went from Bill de Lap to Carvin. I have a
hard time imagining he prefers the Carvin guitar.
Especially knowing the quite insane stuff de Lap made for him (his 34
and 36' scale neck for guitar, as an example)..

Olivier

Allan is also a resident of San Diego County now, wonder if that proximity
led to a deal with these guys . . .
Harvey Starr has done some stuff for him (Ztars) and tells me he has quite
the home brewery--
Wonder if he loops?
Gary

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I'm not sure if I'm understanding this functionality in Loop4.  Here's my
question:

If I've got a clock coming from a sequencer and I record a 4 measure loop will
it stay synched even if I add a few bars with insert? (with quantize set to
on, of course)  I thought the answer was no, but my head was being bombarded
so much at Andre's talk at Kims, I wouldn't be surprised if I'm totally off.

What if I make a new loop of 5 bars, will it still be in synch?  Stay in synch
when I go back to my first loop of four bars? (again, with quantize on)  Can I
toggle between without having to realign?

Kim said:


> upgrade Mark. what are you waiting for? Synchronization features are one of
> the biggest areas of new and improved functionality in LoopIV. (maybe the
> biggest area, in fact...) TempoSelect is just one of them.  If you work
> with midi clock and synchronization at all, LoopIV is sooo much easier to
> use than LoopIII, and so much more powerful.
>

Well, I guess I'm waiting for the EDP to become a bigger part of my looping
world.  To be honest, aside from experimentation I have not really used it a
lot.  I tried to fool around with it on monday, but the reboot/eprom seating
issue foiled my plans, and I didn't feel like trying to deal with it at that
time.  Until I can afford to buy another and run it in stereo, it won't be a
main part of my studio rig, and I haven't been playing live all that much,
though I do have a Noisefest in Sacremento coming up, as well as Matt's Found
Object show coming as well.  Combine that with the cost of my Sustainiac being
over double what I had budgeted, and there's my music gear money for a little
while.  I think that when I go for another EDP, I'll end up getting two Loop4
upgrades at that time, but that's still a way off.

Mark Sottilaro


Clifford Novey wrote:

> I don't follow you- what is the goal? Is the last loop of different cycle
> length or something?
> Cliff
>
> > does it actually change the 8th/cycle parameter to match
> > the tempo automatically after record?
> >
> > it might be cool to allow this after a loop is made without tempo set
> ahead of time.
> > ie  1. make loop of arbitrary length
> >      2. drum machine (or sequencer etc.) kicks in. (tempo defined by loop
> length and 8ths/cycle)
> >      3. hit button that assigns the current tempo to the tempo select
> param.
> >      4. make new loop. (synched devices stay in current tempo)

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In my quest for feedback (pun intended) from other repeater users, I found
a Yahoo mailing list group under that very name...My membership has been
"pending" for over a week. Anyone here know what the deal is? are they an
active group?
Are they accepting new members? Is there some kind of dress code or something?

Thanks,
Mike b

Mike Berman
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Rainer wrote:
>Say you've got a four-bar rock drum
>groove on stereo pair 1+2 (recorded at home, perhaps
>from some original
>source) and a i-iv-VI-V synth chord progression on
>track 3 (recorded at home
>with your Prophet or during performance from one of
>your synths). You could
>then reorder the synth chord progression to V-iv-i-i

OK, I'm perfectly willing to believe that I'm just a
Repeater OS moron, but HOW, exactly, would one
accomplish this manipulation in real time?  I can
understand how the more advanced editing functions on
the EDP could pull this off, but I can't wrap my brain
around the sequence needed to nail it on the Repeater.

Thanks,
Scott



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I too have been waiting for a week or so to be admitted. Now I am a member.
All you have to do is wait. The group is good for the archives, but is very
slow now.

----- Original Message -----
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> In my quest for feedback (pun intended) from other repeater users, I found
> a Yahoo mailing list group under that very name...My membership has been
> "pending" for over a week. Anyone here know what the deal is? are they an
> active group?
> Are they accepting new members? Is there some kind of dress code or
something?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike b
>
> Mike Berman
> digiboy@nyc.rr.com
>
>
>
>


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Ye of little faith.  The Repeater can do this easily by Pitch shifting 
the signal using a MIDI note number.

Mark Sottilaro

On Thursday, September 5, 2002, at 08:50  PM, Scott Martin wrote:

> Rainer wrote:
>> Say you've got a four-bar rock drum
>> groove on stereo pair 1+2 (recorded at home, perhaps
>> from some original
>> source) and a i-iv-VI-V synth chord progression on
>> track 3 (recorded at home
>> with your Prophet or during performance from one of
>> your synths). You could
>> then reorder the synth chord progression to V-iv-i-i
>
> OK, I'm perfectly willing to believe that I'm just a
> Repeater OS moron, but HOW, exactly, would one
> accomplish this manipulation in real time?  I can
> understand how the more advanced editing functions on
> the EDP could pull this off, but I can't wrap my brain
> around the sequence needed to nail it on the Repeater.
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
>
>
>
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Yup- gedda little midi controller- I use an Oxygen 8 - and have fun!
Cliff

www.om-studios.com

Ye of little faith.  The Repeater can do this easily by Pitch shifting 
the signal using a MIDI note number.

Mark Sottilaro

HOW, exactly, would one
> accomplish this manipulation in real time?  I can
> understand how the more advanced editing functions on
> the EDP could pull this off, but I can't wrap my brain
> around the sequence needed to nail it on the Repeater.
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
>
>
>



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http://www.customaudioelectronics.com/
These look like the guys!
Gary

-----Original Message-----
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hi all

i've recently seen that mr Warren Cuccurullo (from Frank Zappa to 
Duran Duran) has a custom built remote display connected to his 
JamMans.

You can take a look at Warren's rig at this address:
http://www.virtualguitarmagazine.com/Warren_Cuccurullo/wc_rig.htm

I asked Bob Bradshaw, but he said he didn't built that.
I asked Bob sellon but never had a reply (yet).
Does anybody else has some similar devices or knows how to build it?

thanks in advance
Faisal

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Šlet's say that they actually *ARE* the guys! :-)

Doei
faisal

>http://www.customaudioelectronics.com/
>These look like the guys!
>Gary

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No- that's Bob Bradshaw's company and apparently he said he did not do
it- 
C


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http://www.customaudioelectronics.com/
These look like the guys!
Gary

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hi all

i've recently seen that mr Warren Cuccurullo (from Frank Zappa to 
Duran Duran) has a custom built remote display connected to his 
JamMans.

You can take a look at Warren's rig at this address:
http://www.virtualguitarmagazine.com/Warren_Cuccurullo/wc_rig.htm

I asked Bob Bradshaw, but he said he didn't built that.
I asked Bob sellon but never had a reply (yet).
Does anybody else has some similar devices or knows how to build it?

thanks in advance
Faisal



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At 04:30 PM 9/5/2002, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
>I'm not sure if I'm understanding this functionality in Loop4.

well you're question here is about something completely different from what 
I was talking about, sorry bout that.

>Here's my
>question:
>
>If I've got a clock coming from a sequencer and I record a 4 measure loop will
>it stay synched even if I add a few bars with insert?

yes. The cycle times are what defines the synchronization. Adding more 
cycles doesn't affect sync'ing to an outside clock. That is true in LoopIII 
also.

>  (with quantize set to
>on, of course)

doesn't matter actually, it will stay in sync with or without quantizing.

>I thought the answer was no, but my head was being bombarded
>so much at Andre's talk at Kims, I wouldn't be surprised if I'm totally off.

Sync wasn't really covered at all during that clinic. Andre of course 
focuses on the various features that relate to his particular style, so 
that was more of a glitch-o-rama cut and paste clinic. That's another 
exciting area of LoopIV, and Andre is the perfect person to show it and 
explain it. But that's not the whole deal. The synchronization features are 
another big area, and much of it is incredibly practical. I guess we need 
to do more clinics!


>What if I make a new loop of 5 bars, will it still be in synch?

yes, you can copy the time base into a new loop as you record it, so it 
will be in sync also. That is called TimeCopy, and can be set to go 
automatically with the LoopCopy parameter, or under your control with the 
Next-Insert button combination.

>Stay in synch
>when I go back to my first loop of four bars? (again, with quantize on)

yes.

>Can I
>toggle between without having to realign?

yes, by using SwitchQuantizing to have things switch at the cycle or loop 
points. With LoopIII you probably want to keep the SwitchQuantizing on so 
that the rhythm stays lined up to the down beat, because there is no way to 
ReAlign like in LoopIV.

With LoopIV you can switch unquantized between loops you've recorded and 
get the rhythm as screwed up as you like, and then use ReAlign to instantly 
put any loop back on the down beat. The Echoplex keeps track of where all 
the external and internal startpoints are no matter what you do, and knows 
where they are supposed to go when you want to line them up again.

feel free to ask more questions.

kim



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i mean, they are the guys generally racking speaking :-)

i already wrot ethat Bob Bradshaw didn't build it.

Doei
Faisal


>No- that's Bob Bradshaw's company and apparently he said he did not do
>it-
>C
>
>
>www.om-studios.com
>
>
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>Of relayonemanband@earthlink.net
>Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 12:29 AM
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>
>http://www.customaudioelectronics.com/
>These look like the guys!
>Gary
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: faisal moro [mailto:faisalmoro@mac.com]
>Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 8:24 AM
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject: JamMan remote display
>
>
>hi all
>
>i've recently seen that mr Warren Cuccurullo (from Frank Zappa to
>Duran Duran) has a custom built remote display connected to his
>JamMans.
>
>You can take a look at Warren's rig at this address:
>http://www.virtualguitarmagazine.com/Warren_Cuccurullo/wc_rig.htm
>
>I asked Bob Bradshaw, but he said he didn't built that.
>I asked Bob sellon but never had a reply (yet).
>Does anybody else has some similar devices or knows how to build it?
>
>thanks in advance
>Faisal

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At 03:41 PM 9/5/2002, jim palmer wrote:
>actually, i haven't tried this one yet.
>does it actually change the 8th/cycle parameter to match
>the tempo automatically after record?

you mean TempoSelect? no, it forces the record lengths to match the tempo, 
based on the 8th/cycle setting and the predefined tempo setting.


>it might be cool to allow this after a loop is made without tempo set 
>ahead of time.
>ie  1. make loop of arbitrary length
>      2. drum machine (or sequencer etc.) kicks in. (tempo defined by loop 
> length and 8ths/cycle)
>      3. hit button that assigns the current tempo to the tempo select param.
>      4. make new loop. (synched devices stay in current tempo)

That might be interesting, but the point of TempoSelect is to set tempo 
*before* recording.

You already have the functionality you are looking for to set tempos and 
reuse them *after* you have recorded a loop, that is what the TimeCopy 
function is for.

Once you have recorded your first loop and therefore defined the tempo, the 
midi clock starts, sequencer starts, etc. Now do a TimeCopy to the 
NextLoop. This is done either automatically using the parameter 
LoopCopy=ti, or by doing the Next-Insert combination to get to the next loop.

Your new loop will begin recording, while using the same cycle base as your 
old loop. The midi clock will continue at the same tempo as you record, so 
your sequencer will continue in time. Since it is counting the cycles out 
in real-time you can let the new loop have more or less cycles as the old 
loop, while still maintaining the same midi clock tempo.

In this way you can very easily create different song sections on the fly, 
with the first loop recorded in the echoplex defining the tempo for the 
sequencer and all subsequent loops you record.

Or you can play around with what Cliff discovered by mistake, where you 
intentionally redefine the loop length for a second loop. So then Loop 1 is 
one tempo and Loop 2 is another, and as you switch between them the midi 
clock tempo for the sequencer changes as well.

kim



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Ok, now I'm really starting to wonder what's going on- first I noticed
repeated Overdub presses caused EDP to enter Parameter mode- now I find
while stepping on Next Loop in time with the current rhythm I get a loop
that goes into Mute mode- is it possible for an EF7 to produce these
results or is it something within the EDP itself? I suspect the pedal
for some reason as I cannot reproduce the results from the front panel.
Any ideas?

 

Cliff

 

www.om-studios.com

 


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Ok, now I’m really starting to wonder =
what’s
going on- first I noticed repeated Overdub presses caused EDP to enter
Parameter mode- now I find while stepping on Next Loop in time with the =
current
rhythm I get a loop that goes into Mute mode- is it possible for an EF7 =
to
produce these results or is it something within the EDP itself? I =
suspect the
pedal for some reason as I cannot reproduce the results from the front =
panel. Any
ideas?



 



Cliff



 



www.om-studios.com



 









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Hi Cliff,
I´ll give you a tip buddy,
get rid of the EDPs foot controller and get yourself
the Behringer 1010.I had the same problems as you and
i even invested and wasted money in new buttons for
the EF7 and it still did strange things.Since i got
the behringer and the new Loop1V my troubles are gone!
its also quite easy to program and the MIDI
possibilities are much greater than the EF7.
good luck
Louie




> Ok, now I'm really starting to wonder what's going
> on- first I noticed
> repeated Overdub presses caused EDP to enter
> Parameter mode- now I find
> while stepping on Next Loop in time with the current
> rhythm I get a loop
> that goes into Mute mode- is it possible for an EF7
> to produce these
> results or is it something within the EDP itself? I
> suspect the pedal
> for some reason as I cannot reproduce the results
> from the front panel.
> Any ideas?
> 
>  
> 
> Cliff
> 
>  
> 
> www.om-studios.com
> 
>  
> 
> 


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I just wanted to let everyone whithin driving distance that
my brother, Bill Walker and I are providing all of the live 
music for the FESTIVAL OF LIVE DIGITAL ANIMATION
at the SAN JOSE MUSEUM OF ART in SAN JOSE, CALIFORNIA
this coming Sunday, September 8th from 2-5 p.m.

David Tristram and Alan Peevers will be providing state of the art
and cutting edge live digital animation based on our music.

Alan's work may be familiar to some of you as he has done the
Y2K2 LOOPFEST visuals and the Electron Salon visuals

David has worked with artists as diverse as the Rolling Stones
and Loop.pooL (tee hee hee----I just love writing that sentence)
and provided this year's stunning visuals at the amazing
WOODSTOCKHAUSEN EXPERIMENTAL MUSIC FESTIVAL.

Hope to see some of you there.   Please come up and say hi and
take a look at our antiquated ELECTRIX REPEATERS (;-)

yours,  Rick Walker (aka, Loop.pooL)

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Dammit, I'll get another one of those Behringers! Now I want one for
Repeater and one for EDP. I have had almost the same problems as Cliff
but the EDP with LOOP4 is working so good by midi now. I have heard
something about new Behringer OS proms, so I guess you should check out
the Behringer web site first to be sure not to buy a pedal with the old
system. Right? (please correct me if I'm wrong here)

Best wishes

Per Boysen


> Hi Cliff,
> I´ll give you a tip buddy,
> get rid of the EDPs foot controller and get yourself
> the Behringer 1010.I had the same problems as you and
> i even invested and wasted money in new buttons for
> the EF7 and it still did strange things.Since i got
> the behringer and the new Loop1V my troubles are gone!
> its also quite easy to program and the MIDI
> possibilities are much greater than the EF7.
> good luck
> Louie
 
> 
> 
> > Ok, now I'm really starting to wonder what's going
> > on- first I noticed
> > repeated Overdub presses caused EDP to enter
> > Parameter mode- now I find
> > while stepping on Next Loop in time with the current
> > rhythm I get a loop
> > that goes into Mute mode- is it possible for an EF7
> > to produce these
> > results or is it something within the EDP itself? I
> > suspect the pedal
> > for some reason as I cannot reproduce the results
> > from the front panel.
> > Any ideas?
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Cliff

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Mark S. wrote:
>Ye of little faith.  The Repeater can do this easily
>by Pitch shifting 
>the signal using a MIDI note number.
>
>Mark Sottilaro
>
>On Thursday, September 5, 2002, at 08:50  PM, Scott
>Martin wrote:
>
>> Rainer wrote:
>>> Say you've got a four-bar rock drum
>>> groove on stereo pair 1+2 (recorded at home,
>perhaps
>>> from some original
>>> source) and a i-iv-VI-V synth chord progression on
>>> track 3 (recorded at home
>>> with your Prophet or during performance from one
of
>>> your synths). You could
>>> then reorder the synth chord progression to
V-iv-i->i
>>
>> OK, I'm perfectly willing to believe that I'm just
a
>> Repeater OS moron, but HOW, exactly, would one
>> accomplish this manipulation in real time?  I can
>> understand how the more advanced editing functions
>on
>> the EDP could pull this off, but I can't wrap my
>brain
>> around the sequence needed to nail it on the
>Repeater.

Um, I can understand if the loop was being shifted
from i-iv-VI-V to, say, v-i-III-II, which pitch shifts
all 4 chords the same distance, but what Rainer
specified is a change from i-iv-VI-V to V-iv-i-i. 
Either he mistyped, or he's got some secret editing
trick that I don't know about.  Even if he pitch
shifted each chord separately using a MIDI controller,
you can't use pitch shifting to change a i chord (Em,
for example) to a V chord (Bmaj).  Other ideas?

Later,
Scott



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Rick,

Break a leg . . . uh . . . or whatever you tell drummers.
Maybe, break a stick? Congratulations on the gig. It
sounds fabulous. Wish I could come check it out.
Congrats to Bill too.

Best wishes,

Ted Killian

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In a message dated 9/6/02 3:59:50 AM, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes:

>I just wanted to let everyone within driving distance that
>my brother, Bill Walker and I are providing all of the live 
>music for the FESTIVAL OF LIVE DIGITAL ANIMATION
>at the SAN JOSE MUSEUM OF ART in SAN JOSE, CALIFORNIA
>this coming Sunday, September 8th from 2-5 p.m.
















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> Ok, now I'm really starting to wonder what's going on- first I noticed
> repeated Overdub presses caused EDP to enter Parameter mode- now I find
> while stepping on Next Loop in time with the current rhythm I get a loop
> that goes into Mute mode- is it possible for an EF7 to produce these
> results or is it something within the EDP itself? I suspect the pedal
> for some reason as I cannot reproduce the results from the front panel.
> Any ideas?
>
>
did you try another cable ? a viola player friend had strange erratic problems
with the foot controler
changing cable did the trick

maybe this :
http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html#static

Claude

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Scott
 read it again
I think what he does is chop the chord progression and reorder the chunks not
pitchifting

Claude

> Mark S. wrote:
> >Ye of little faith.  The Repeater can do this easily
> >by Pitch shifting
> >the signal using a MIDI note number.
> >
> >Mark Sottilaro
> >
> >On Thursday, September 5, 2002, at 08:50  PM, Scott
> >Martin wrote:
> >
> >> Rainer wrote:
> >>> Say you've got a four-bar rock drum
> >>> groove on stereo pair 1+2 (recorded at home,
> >perhaps
> >>> from some original
> >>> source) and a i-iv-VI-V synth chord progression on
> >>> track 3 (recorded at home
> >>> with your Prophet or during performance from one
> of
> >>> your synths). You could
> >>> then reorder the synth chord progression to
> V-iv-i->i
> >>
> >> OK, I'm perfectly willing to believe that I'm just
> a
> >> Repeater OS moron, but HOW, exactly, would one
> >> accomplish this manipulation in real time?  I can
> >> understand how the more advanced editing functions
> >on
> >> the EDP could pull this off, but I can't wrap my
> >brain
> >> around the sequence needed to nail it on the
> >Repeater.
>
> Um, I can understand if the loop was being shifted
> from i-iv-VI-V to, say, v-i-III-II, which pitch shifts
> all 4 chords the same distance, but what Rainer
> specified is a change from i-iv-VI-V to V-iv-i-i.
> Either he mistyped, or he's got some secret editing
> trick that I don't know about.  Even if he pitch
> shifted each chord separately using a MIDI controller,
> you can't use pitch shifting to change a i chord (Em,
> for example) to a V chord (Bmaj).  Other ideas?
>
> Later,
> Scott

>

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om@om-studios.com writes:

>but I agree i would never use
>headphones as a sole monitoring source-
me, niether, but.....
my oldest son uses beyer headphones as his primary monitors, and his mixes 
*always* sound waaaay better than mine.....
best,
dt / splattercell

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digiboy@nyc.rr.com writes:

>The headphone amp is noisy but there is also that noise floor as you say.
fwiw:
on my repeaters:
all their in/out levels are just peachy-keen, but the headphone amps are 
generally pretty (oddly) noisy. this does not affect the internal noise-level 
of recorded loops, however..... i simply don't use the headphone amps except 
under non-critical circumstances.
best,
dt / splattercell

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Hi,

I've experienced a similar problem when the 
switches on the EF7 wear out. They are 
"momentary" switches (and merely plastic 
at that). Every once in a while the spring 
(or whatever mechanism in them that fails)
gives in and the switch gets stuck in 
continuous "on" position. 

When one of the switches is stuck like this 
it does just what you describe. Odd and 
unexpected commands are sent from the 
footpedal to the EDP. I just got done replacing 
all of the switches at once on my EF7 because 
it was doing this very thing -- for the second 
time in the 6 or so years that I've owned it. 
It happens.

The good news is that the exact same switch
is available from various electronics suppliers.
I got mine from the Mouser Electronics catalog,
page 553, item #10PA005 for only $.92 each.
The last time one of these failed (a couple of 
years ago) I bought a whole bag of them. Now
I figure I have a lifetime supply. :-)

If, after checking it out, you suspect that this 
is the problem their toll-free phone number is 
1-800-346-6873 and their website is at:
http://www.mouser.com/

You really only have to replace the faulty switch
when this happens (if you can figure out which 
one it is). But I figured I'd replace all of them
this time . . . just in case. You know how it is.
Replace only one burnt-out headlamp on your car
and you may find the other burning out the very 
next week. Why make two trips to the parts place?

Anywho, because of how the connections are soldered 
together it's almost as easy to replace all of them 
at once as to replace only one. Good luck!

Ted Killian

www.mp3.com/tedkillian
http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html

In a message dated 9/6/02 2:48:33 AM, om@om-studios.com writes:

>Ok, now I'm really starting to wonder what's going on- first I noticed
>repeated Overdub presses caused EDP to enter Parameter mode- now I find
>while stepping on Next Loop in time with the current rhythm I get a loop
>that goes into Mute mode- is it possible for an EF7 to produce these
>results or is it something within the EDP itself? I suspect the pedal
>for some reason as I cannot reproduce the results from the front panel.
>Any ideas?

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dusty@patriot.net writes:

>Aw, sweet, you wouldn't mean the DT770's, would you?
yup!
  
>I _live_ in
>those.  But again, not the last word in detail.
s'fine, for me..... i can't hear too much detail, anyways.....
the sony's are waaay too hyped for me, in both top and bottom: i don't hear 
that low-end as extension, but as 'amping'.....
best,
dt / s-c

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folks, very sorry about this but i'm out of options.

jon price - could you please _telephone_ me?
aol now bounces all mail i send to anyone there.

wk (212) 480 2889 x201
hm (718) 726 9496

perhaps their mail server is caught up in an endless loop, and that fact 
makes this flagrant abuse of the list alright? maybe....?


....please?

a:c


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when in doubt, go to the source...

>from Warren:
>
>A company in the UK called Blue Systems did the mod for me. An
>alternative is to keep the Jamman on the floor in front of you as >part
>of your pedalboard. I've done it this way for my smaller rig on my >solo
>dates. 
>w.

m


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yes. i should have said "make new loop of arbitrary length".

> I don't follow you- what is the goal? Is the last loop of different cycle
> length or something?
> Cliff
> 
> > does it actually change the 8th/cycle parameter to match
> > the tempo automatically after record?
> >
> > it might be cool to allow this after a loop is made without tempo set
> ahead of time.
> > ie  1. make loop of arbitrary length
> >      2. drum machine (or sequencer etc.) kicks in. (tempo defined by loop
> length and 8ths/cycle)
> >      3. hit button that assigns the current tempo to the tempo select
> param.
> >      4. make new loop. (synched devices stay in current tempo)
> 
> 
> 

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>...
> You already have the functionality you are looking for to set tempos and 
> reuse them *after* you have recorded a loop, that is what the TimeCopy 
> function is for.

ah. always more stuff to try...
thanks.

>...
> Or you can play around with what Cliff discovered by mistake, where you 
> intentionally redefine the loop length for a second loop. So then Loop 1 is 
> one tempo and Loop 2 is another, and as you switch between them the midi 
> clock tempo for the sequencer changes as well.
> 
> kim

yeah, that sounds like some fun.
if the synched device is a drum machine you can easily send it into half-time.
or do madness with drum-and-bass type schizoid freakout.

synching the repeater should allow for some extreme timestretch effects, too.
all organically chosen at improv time.  coolness.


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SWEET.  Thank you for the information.  Yes, more clinics.  Andre was 
very helpful, but you're right.  Those of us who are doing more "beat" 
oriented music synched to a sequencer would be helped by a different 
perspective.  I was actually confused in Andre's clinic about the synch 
thing.

But, to be honest with you, I'm going to wait for an endorsement deal 
with Aurisis Software to get Loop4 because I think I've got my finger 
on the pulse of the future guitar stars.  I'm both a shaker and a 
mover!  Could I get a sticker with it too?

Mark Sottilaro

On Friday, September 6, 2002, at 01:15  AM, Kim Flint wrote:

> At 04:30 PM 9/5/2002, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
>> I'm not sure if I'm understanding this functionality in Loop4.
>
> well you're question here is about something completely different from 
> what I was talking about, sorry bout that.
>
>> Here's my
>> question:
>>
>> If I've got a clock coming from a sequencer and I record a 4 measure 
>> loop will
>> it stay synched even if I add a few bars with insert?
>
> yes. The cycle times are what defines the synchronization. Adding more 
> cycles doesn't affect sync'ing to an outside clock. That is true in 
> LoopIII also.
>
>>  (with quantize set to
>> on, of course)
>
> doesn't matter actually, it will stay in sync with or without 
> quantizing.
>
>> I thought the answer was no, but my head was being bombarded
>> so much at Andre's talk at Kims, I wouldn't be surprised if I'm 
>> totally off.
>
> Sync wasn't really covered at all during that clinic. Andre of course 
> focuses on the various features that relate to his particular style, 
> so that was more of a glitch-o-rama cut and paste clinic. That's 
> another exciting area of LoopIV, and Andre is the perfect person to 
> show it and explain it. But that's not the whole deal. The 
> synchronization features are another big area, and much of it is 
> incredibly practical. I guess we need to do more clinics!
>
>
>> What if I make a new loop of 5 bars, will it still be in synch?
>
> yes, you can copy the time base into a new loop as you record it, so 
> it will be in sync also. That is called TimeCopy, and can be set to go 
> automatically with the LoopCopy parameter, or under your control with 
> the Next-Insert button combination.
>
>> Stay in synch
>> when I go back to my first loop of four bars? (again, with quantize 
>> on)
>
> yes.
>
>> Can I
>> toggle between without having to realign?
>
> yes, by using SwitchQuantizing to have things switch at the cycle or 
> loop points. With LoopIII you probably want to keep the 
> SwitchQuantizing on so that the rhythm stays lined up to the down 
> beat, because there is no way to ReAlign like in LoopIV.
>
> With LoopIV you can switch unquantized between loops you've recorded 
> and get the rhythm as screwed up as you like, and then use ReAlign to 
> instantly put any loop back on the down beat. The Echoplex keeps track 
> of where all the external and internal startpoints are no matter what 
> you do, and knows where they are supposed to go when you want to line 
> them up again.
>
> feel free to ask more questions.
>
> kim
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
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>

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set your midi routing so that the seq pilots the edp functions (note on) AND the
same seq receives the clock _FROM_ the edp
need a filtering midi patchbay though or you go into midi loop....

on the seq, program a 4 beat looped pattern with a multiply command on the first
beat of the pattern (quant off on edp) and a record command on the 3d beat
as the slaved seq chops the loop lenght (multiply-record the tempo increases at
each sequencer successive pattern turn

very funy things happens

Claude

> >...
> > You already have the functionality you are looking for to set tempos and
> > reuse them *after* you have recorded a loop, that is what the TimeCopy
> > function is for.
>
> ah. always more stuff to try...
> thanks.
>
> >...
> > Or you can play around with what Cliff discovered by mistake, where you
> > intentionally redefine the loop length for a second loop. So then Loop 1 is
> > one tempo and Loop 2 is another, and as you switch between them the midi
> > clock tempo for the sequencer changes as well.
> >
> > kim
>
> yeah, that sounds like some fun.
> if the synched device is a drum machine you can easily send it into half-time.
> or do madness with drum-and-bass type schizoid freakout.
>
> synching the repeater should allow for some extreme timestretch effects, too.
> all organically chosen at improv time.  coolness.
>
>
>

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Oh yeah, I was just thinking he was doing root stuff.  Sorry.

Mark

On Friday, September 6, 2002, at 05:23  AM, Scott Martin wrote:
> you can't use pitch shifting to change a i chord (Em,
> for example) to a V chord (Bmaj).  Other ideas?
>
> Later,
> Scott

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Heh, that's because these kids still have some of their high frequency 
hearing left!  When I was his age...

Get off my lawn!

Mark Sottilaro

On Friday, September 6, 2002, at 07:22  AM, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote:

> om@om-studios.com writes:
>
>> but I agree i would never use
>> headphones as a sole monitoring source-
> me, niether, but.....
> my oldest son uses beyer headphones as his primary monitors, and his 
> mixes
> *always* sound waaaay better than mine.....
> best,
> dt / splattercell
>

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A while back ther was a small thread or maybe one post about a guitat
rhythm machine, it had several rhythms, rock, flamenco, funk, country
etc... does anyone know the name of this device? Was it table top, rack
mount, computer ? Thanks ahead, Bill?Las Vegas

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I don't know if i have THE machine that you seek, but i do have the Roland
DR5, which fits your description and is pretty guitar-specific.  Since i'm
not a guitarist, i sometimes find the guitar-centric design a hindrance, but
its a good rhythm machine all around.

cheers,
jim.

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A while back ther was a small thread or maybe one post about a guitat
rhythm machine, it had several rhythms, rock, flamenco, funk, country
etc... does anyone know the name of this device? Was it table top, rack
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> A while back ther was a small thread or maybe one post about 
> a guitat rhythm machine, it had several rhythms, rock, 
> flamenco, funk, country etc... does anyone know the name of 
> this device? Was it table top, rack mount, computer ? Thanks 
> ahead, Bill?Las Vegas

Computer; "Virtual Guitarrist"... Maybe? 
http://www.steinberg.net/en/ps/products/vst_instruments/virtualguitarist
/index.php?sid=0

Best wishes

Per Boysen
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Can someone recommend a source for midi controllers?
I'd like to supplement my FCB1010, not with a bigger
fancier pedal(or key)board, but a single or double
switch and CC pedal.  

One problem I want to solve is pitch shifting with
discrete values, eg. down third, fifth, octave
without trying to find them in a wide range of values.

Another cool thing would be a hand-held controller so I could
move around more while looping.

Yours in rhythm,
Steve



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have you tried axess electronics?  they build some smaller midi controllers.

www.axess-electronics.com

-jim


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Claude-
That's my point.  I can't imagine how you'd pull off
that sort of manipulation, given the Repeater's
interface.  Suggestions?


Claude wrote:
Scott
 read it again
I think what he does is chop the chord progression and
reorder the 
chunks not
pitchifting

Claude

> Mark S. wrote:
> >Ye of little faith.  The Repeater can do this
easily
> >by Pitch shifting
> >the signal using a MIDI note number.
> >
> >Mark Sottilaro
> >
> >On Thursday, September 5, 2002, at 08:50  PM, Scott
> >Martin wrote:
> >
> >> Rainer wrote:
> >>> Say you've got a four-bar rock drum
> >>> groove on stereo pair 1+2 (recorded at home,
> >perhaps
> >>> from some original
> >>> source) and a i-iv-VI-V synth chord progression
on
> >>> track 3 (recorded at home
> >>> with your Prophet or during performance from one
> of
> >>> your synths). You could
> >>> then reorder the synth chord progression to
> V-iv-i->i
> >>
> >> OK, I'm perfectly willing to believe that I'm
just
> a
> >> Repeater OS moron, but HOW, exactly, would one
> >> accomplish this manipulation in real time?  I can
> >> understand how the more advanced editing
functions
> >on
> >> the EDP could pull this off, but I can't wrap my
> >brain
> >> around the sequence needed to nail it on the
> >Repeater.
>
> Um, I can understand if the loop was being shifted
> from i-iv-VI-V to, say, v-i-III-II, which pitch
shifts
> all 4 chords the same distance, but what Rainer
> specified is a change from i-iv-VI-V to V-iv-i-i.
> Either he mistyped, or he's got some secret editing
> trick that I don't know about.  Even if he pitch
> shifted each chord separately using a MIDI
controller,
> you can't use pitch shifting to change a i chord
(Em,
> for example) to a V chord (Bmaj).  Other ideas?
>


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Yeah- but that's because you just use those headphones b/c they have the
letters "dt" in their name.
;)

Seriously tho- have you tried compensating by identifying what you don't
like about the final mix and then keeping that in mind when mixing on
the phones? Like mixing on those awful Yamaha N19s or whatever they are-
once you hear the bass is just right you know you have gone too far and
back it off- a lot of guys use them because they really know them as
they have used them for many decades and as you know back when they were
young they didn't have fancy headphones with their initials on them to
mix on- they had to duct tape speakers to their heads which made their
eardrums rupture in excruciating pain and they LIKED it! And so on...

Cliff

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om@om-studios.com writes:

>but I agree i would never use
>headphones as a sole monitoring source-
me, niether, but.....
my oldest son uses beyer headphones as his primary monitors, and his
mixes 
*always* sound waaaay better than mine.....
best,
dt / splattercell



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Thanks I may try this- 
Cliff

www.om-studios.com

>When one of the switches is stuck like this 
it does just what you describe. Odd and 
unexpected commands are sent from the 
footpedal to the EDP. I just got done replacing 
all of the switches at once on my EF7 because 
it was doing this very thing -- for the second 
time in the 6 or so years that I've owned it. 
It happens.


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     I contacted Behringer about purchasing the EPROM when I found out that my *new* FCB1010
didn't have it already.  They offered to send me the new EPROM for free.  Though that was mid-July
and I still haven't received it yet.  It seems simple enough to replace EPROMS.

     They also offer a free email course for using the 1010.  This mostly concerns how to use the
pedal with other Behringer stuff, like their amplifiers.  I wasn't able to put it to use much
cause it was a bit too specific for that gear.

     For those of you not sure what this new EPROM does, my understanding is that it toggles each
foot switch to give two different commands.  Hit it once and it starts the loop.  Hit it again and
it stops.  Or pops you up an octave then back down (on a Repeater).  Or pops you up a major sixth
then drops you down a tritone (wicked grin...)
 
           SVG

> Dammit, I'll get another one of those Behringers! Now I want one for
> Repeater and one for EDP. I have had almost the same problems as Cliff
> but the EDP with LOOP4 is working so good by midi now. I have heard
> something about new Behringer OS proms, so I guess you should check out
> the Behringer web site first to be sure not to buy a pedal with the old
> system. Right? (please correct me if I'm wrong here)


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OOOOOOOO, if that's the case, it's SO worth it... if you can get them to send you one.  Not just for
the Repeater, but for the EDP too.  I wonder how it could happen.  Maybe a call instead of writing?

Mark

S V G wrote:

For those of you not sure what this new EPROM does, my understanding is that it toggles each

> foot switch to give two different commands.  Hit it once and it starts the loop.  Hit it again and
> it stops.  Or pops you up an octave then back down (on a Repeater).  Or pops you up a major sixth
> then drops you down a tritone (wicked grin...)

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There was somebody selling the eproms for like 10 bucks I thought- search
the archives maybe you will find it-
C


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At 12:11 PM 9/6/2002 -0700, Scott Martin wrote:
>At 04:14 PM 9/6/2002 +0200, Claude Voit wrote:
>>
>>  read it again
>>I think what he does is chop the chord progression and reorder the chunks not
>>pitchifting
>
>That's my point.  I can't imagine how you'd pull off
>that sort of manipulation, given the Repeater's
>interface.  Suggestions?

Scott,

Rainer had written that post in response to one of my queries, so I'd 
previously set the scene (we were talking in fairly specific terms 
regarding the way I might be using the Repeater in my setup).  One of the 
ground rules I'd specified was that I always operate synced up to a 
sequencer & MTC/SMPTE.  Given that sort of setup, one should be able to fly 
off enough automated control changes (Play; Stop; Shift, Shift; Play; Stop; 
Shift; Play) through the computer to grab just about any section of a loop 
in a random access manner.

So could you do that from the front panel?  Depending upon the complexity 
of the sequence, probably not easily if at all.  If you didn't want to work 
with a sequencer, you might be able to program some macros into an 
extremely flexible MIDI controller (like the Lake Butler MIDI 
Mitigator).  But we're probably not going to get very viable results from 
manual manipulation of the buttons on the front -- human beings just aren't 
that fast.

Now, of course, the above does need to be taken with a certain amount of 
NaCl, since my Repeater's on layaway and I'm taking much of this from the 
manual.  As well, the original post was Rainer's, so I don't wish to put 
words in his mouth.

         -c-

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Anyone think it would be possible to make 4 copies of the full progression,
then slip each one the right amount of measures forward and back, then
replace the right bits of each track with silence (overdub with replace=on)
to get a reordered progression?  Certainly not an easy or even a viable live
technique, but it would accomplish the stated goal without a sequencer.
Jon

(instead of 4 copies the replacing with silence, you could just bounce only
the correct measures of the main track in the first place to each respective
track.  In other words 1 measure of chord IV on track2, one measure of chord
i on track 3, etc)

> >>I think what he does is chop the chord progression and reorder the
chunks not
> >>pitchifting
> >
> >That's my point.  I can't imagine how you'd pull off
> >that sort of manipulation, given the Repeater's
> >interface.  Suggestions?
>
> So could you do that from the front panel?  Depending upon the complexity
> of the sequence, probably not easily if at all.

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     Hello. I wonder if this handheld controller would give you some of the 
capabilites that you are looking for: 
     http://www.mircontrol.com/index_e.htm
     http://www.mircontrol.com/MIR_Layout.htm
They have both a dual foot switch, and a pedal that can be added on. I 
haven't really looked into in depth. I'm waiting for the SurfaceOne to be 
released. 
     Also, if you're not already familar with it, check out the Controller 
Zone @ http://www.synthzone.com/ctrlr.htm. There may be something there that 
will do what you want.
     Take care, Marc

In a message dated 9/6/2002 1:14:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
srice44@yahoo.com writes:


> Can someone recommend a source for midi controllers?
> I'd like to supplement my FCB1010, not with a bigger
> fancier pedal(or key)board, but a single or double
> switch and CC pedal.  
> 
> One problem I want to solve is pitch shifting with
> discrete values, eg. down third, fifth, octave
> without trying to find them in a wide range of values.
> 
> Another cool thing would be a hand-held controller so I could
> move around more while looping.
> 
> Yours in rhythm,
> Steve
> 


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     Hello. I wonder if this handheld controller would give you some of the capabilites that you are looking for: 

     http://www.mircontrol.com/index_e.htm

     http://www.mircontrol.com/MIR_Layout.htm

They have both a dual foot switch, and a pedal that can be added on. I haven't really looked into in depth. I'm waiting for the SurfaceOne to be released. 

     Also, if you're not already familar with it, check out the Controller Zone @ http://www.synthzone.com/ctrlr.htm. There may be something there that will do what you want.

     Take care, Marc



In a message dated 9/6/2002 1:14:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, srice44@yahoo.com writes:






Can someone recommend a source for midi controllers?

I'd like to supplement my FCB1010, not with a bigger

fancier pedal(or key)board, but a single or double

switch and CC pedal.  



One problem I want to solve is pitch shifting with

discrete values, eg. down third, fifth, octave

without trying to find them in a wide range of values.



Another cool thing would be a hand-held controller so I could

move around more while looping.



Yours in rhythm,

Steve







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Wait, why are we thinking tracks?  Think Loops.  The Repeater let's you 
do up to 99 of 'em.  Why not just make each cord a loop?  That way, 
they could be put back together pretty easily in any order you'd like.  
It's easy to do on the EDP, I think you could get the Repeater to do 
this too.

Mark Sottilaro

On Friday, September 6, 2002, at 05:17  PM, Jon Wagner wrote:

> Anyone think it would be possible to make 4 copies of the full 
> progression,
> then slip each one the right amount of measures forward and back, then
> replace the right bits of each track with silence (overdub with 
> replace=on)
> to get a reordered progression?  Certainly not an easy or even a 
> viable live
> technique, but it would accomplish the stated goal without a sequencer.
> Jon
>
> (instead of 4 copies the replacing with silence, you could just bounce 
> only
> the correct measures of the main track in the first place to each 
> respective
> track.  In other words 1 measure of chord IV on track2, one measure of 
> chord
> i on track 3, etc)
>
>>>> I think what he does is chop the chord progression and reorder the
> chunks not
>>>> pitchifting
>>>
>>> That's my point.  I can't imagine how you'd pull off
>>> that sort of manipulation, given the Repeater's
>>> interface.  Suggestions?
>>
>> So could you do that from the front panel?  Depending upon the 
>> complexity
>> of the sequence, probably not easily if at all.
>

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At 08:23 PM 9/6/2002 -0700, Mark Sottilaro wrote:
>Wait, why are we thinking tracks?  Think Loops.  The Repeater let's you do 
>up to 99 of 'em.  Why not just make each cord a loop?  That way, they 
>could be put back together pretty easily in any order you'd like.

Maybe even easier than that.  Since each loop can contain 4 tracks, sample 
single notes into each track to make a single 4-note chord voicing.  Then 
mute/unmute each track to revoice the chord.  For more complex chords, 
sample a couple or three notes into each track.

For instance, track 1 could contain a major triad, track 2 the tonic 
transposed two octaves down, track 3 a major 7th note, and track 4 the 
minor7th.  Now multiply that by 999 possible combinations.  And perhaps add 
some tonal movement to each track rather than just static notes.  Oh, and 
let's not forget the pitch transposition function on top of all that.

And... agh!  You mean I gotta wait another three weeks before getting this 
thing out of layaway???  This sucks!!!  ;)

         -c-

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Gee, almost a year old, but I was trying to dig through the various Repeater
clock threads.

Does the information below mean that if one stuck a filter in front of the
Mo-FX's MIDI input to strip out MIDI Start clock messages but keep the other
clock messages that you could work around the Repeater clock problems by
syncing once and then letting the Mo-FX stay tempo locked?

Mark

on 9/7/01 6:34 PM, M. Steven Ginn at sginn@airmail.net wrote:

> My MO-FX manual says the following about Midi Clock ...
> 
> "Mo-FX can receive MIDI Clock messages.  It will re-synchronize the Tap
> Tempo to the incoming MIDI clock automatically every time it receives a
> MIDI clock start message. ... "
> 
> "To re-synchronize MO-FX to MIDI Clock, press and hold the Tap Tempo
> button for 600ms."
> 
> It also says ...
> 
> "Some devices do not transmit MIDI Clock "start" messages.  It may be
> necessary, in such cases, to manually inform MO-FX to respond to the
> incoming MIDI Clock by pressing and holding the Tap Tempo button for
> 600ms."
> 
> I guess the keys here are to first synchronize these devices to a MIDI
> Clock source and make sure that the source sends MIDI Clock "Start"
> messages.
> 
> Does anyone know if these start messages are something that is sent
> periodically or whenever the tempo changes?  What would be the most
> stable supplier of Midi Clock messages (with "start") in a rig to ensure
> sync stability?
> 
> Steve

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In the repeater there is 16 loops i can save what does
99 loops mean then?
louie







> At 08:23 PM 9/6/2002 -0700, Mark Sottilaro wrote:
> >Wait, why are we thinking tracks?  Think Loops. 
> The Repeater let's you do 
> >up to 99 of 'em.  Why not just make each cord a
> loop...
> 

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On Saturday, September 7, 2002, at 08:25 AM, Louie Angulo wrote:

> In the repeater there is 16 loops i can save what does
> 99 loops mean then?

The 16 loops are the maximum that you can hold in the Repeater's 
internal memory. However, the CFC cards can hold up to 99 loops each....

--
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Does someone have a contact name and number?

sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:

>OOOOOOOO, if that's the case, it's SO worth it... if you can get them to send you one.  Not just for
>the Repeater, but for the EDP too.  I wonder how it could happen.  Maybe a call instead of writing?
>
>Mark
>
>S V G wrote:
>
>For those of you not sure what this new EPROM does, my understanding is that it toggles each
>
>>foot switch to give two different commands.  Hit it once and it starts the loop.  Hit it again and
>>it stops.  Or pops you up an octave then back down (on a Repeater).  Or pops you up a major sixth
>>then drops you down a tritone (wicked grin...)
>>
>
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Does someone have a contact name and number? 



sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:



  
OOOOOOOO, if that's the case, it's SO worth it... if you can get them to send you one.  Not just for
the Repeater, but for the EDP too.  I wonder how it could happen.  Maybe a call instead of writing?

Mark

S V G wrote:

For those of you not sure what this new EPROM does, my understanding is that it toggles each


  

    
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Electrix Warp Factory $175 Excellent condition, with box & manual.

Lexicon Vortex effects processor (without foot switch) $180 Excellent
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Those are great ideas and you don't even have one yet!  Further proof 
that if you're a serious looper, you shouldn't be without a Repeater or 
EDP.

Mark

On Friday, September 6, 2002, at 08:45  PM, Duke Sexton wrote:

> At 08:23 PM 9/6/2002 -0700, Mark Sottilaro wrote:
>> Wait, why are we thinking tracks?  Think Loops.  The Repeater let's 
>> you do up to 99 of 'em.  Why not just make each cord a loop?  That 
>> way, they could be put back together pretty easily in any order you'd 
>> like.
>
> Maybe even easier than that.  Since each loop can contain 4 tracks, 
> sample single notes into each track to make a single 4-note chord 
> voicing.  Then mute/unmute each track to revoice the chord.  For more 
> complex chords, sample a couple or three notes into each track.
>
> For instance, track 1 could contain a major triad, track 2 the tonic 
> transposed two octaves down, track 3 a major 7th note, and track 4 the 
> minor7th.  Now multiply that by 999 possible combinations.  And 
> perhaps add some tonal movement to each track rather than just static 
> notes.  Oh, and let's not forget the pitch transposition function on 
> top of all that.
>
> And... agh!  You mean I gotta wait another three weeks before getting 
> this thing out of layaway???  This sucks!!!  ;)
>
>         -c-
>
> _____
> "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back"
>                                                 -recoil
>

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The ROM image is available on the net, just find a local tech that'll
burn it to an EEPROM for you.

Greg

--- Jeffrey Lomas  wrote:
> Does someone have a contact name and number?
> 
> sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
> 
> >OOOOOOOO, if that's the case, it's SO worth it... if you can get
> them to send you one.  Not just for
> >the Repeater, but for the EDP too.  I wonder how it could happen. 
> Maybe a call instead of writing?
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >S V G wrote:
> >
> >For those of you not sure what this new EPROM does, my understanding
> is that it toggles each
> >
> >>foot switch to give two different commands.  Hit it once and it
> starts the loop.  Hit it again and
> >>it stops.  Or pops you up an octave then back down (on a Repeater).
>  Or pops you up a major sixth
> >>then drops you down a tritone (wicked grin...)
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 


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When you get into the CFC card, you can save up to 99 loops.  It's a 
ridiculous amount, I know, but the OS is written that way.

Mark Sottilaro

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>
> In the repeater there is 16 loops i can save what does
> 99 loops mean then?
> louie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> At 08:23 PM 9/6/2002 -0700, Mark Sottilaro wrote:
>>> Wait, why are we thinking tracks?  Think Loops.
>> The Repeater let's you do
>>> up to 99 of 'em.  Why not just make each cord a
>> loop...
>>
>
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>
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Perhaps this is a really stupid question, but how stable are
Steinberger graphite instruments to heat? Could one be left in a hot
car all day without being damaged?

It'd be nice to have something I could go practice on at lunchtime
without  the hassle of carting it around the office (checking it in
with security, checking it out, having my coworkers lookin at me funny,
etc). So if I had something I could just leave in the trunk of the car,
that'd be great.

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I'm not sure if I'd trust it in the long term, but I kept my guitar in 
the trunk of my car all day the day of Santa Cruz loopfest 2K2 and it 
was very sunny and HOT.  I pulled my guitar out and plugged it in and 
it retained it's tune.  Mine does have a wood body though.  The all 
graphite ones probably would fare better, but I'd make sure I parked A) 
under shade B) in an attended secured parking lot.

Mark

On Saturday, September 7, 2002, at 10:36  AM, Greg House wrote:

> Perhaps this is a really stupid question, but how stable are
> Steinberger graphite instruments to heat? Could one be left in a hot
> car all day without being damaged?
>
> It'd be nice to have something I could go practice on at lunchtime
> without  the hassle of carting it around the office (checking it in
> with security, checking it out, having my coworkers lookin at me funny,
> etc). So if I had something I could just leave in the trunk of the car,
> that'd be great.
>
> Greg
>
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     According to the Behringer website,

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     Support@Behringer.com   (USA)

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--- Jeffrey Lomas  wrote:
> Does someone have a contact name and number?


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Just adopt a pawn shop axe no one else wants...
As long as the neck is straight, you can always
shim, file or sand something down to where the
action is decent.  I've got an old Fender 12 string
acoustic that I string up as a 6 string.  The bridge
saddle pealed up one day and after that, kept
popping up taking more wood with it every
time I tried to glue it back down.  So I finally
bolted it on with some small brass machine
screws, washers, and nuts and it hangs out
in all sorts of torturous conditions in the back
of my car under a blanket.

I know there should be a law -- just like leaving
your kids in the car.  Just keep it out of direct
sunlight, especially if it gets wet.

With a little mangling, the neck could double
as a jack handle....
--
gary
@friendlyspider.com


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ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes:

>Perhaps this is a really stupid question, but how stable are
>Steinberger graphite instruments to heat? Could one be left in a hot
>car all day without being damaged?
.....depends on the temperature, but:
in the old days, i would leave mine in the trunk of a car for some very long 
tour-drives.....
i still have it. it still plays.
beastly,
dt / splattercell

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From: Mark Sottilaro 
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I forgot to post this, but tonight at 21 Grand (21grand.org) in Oakland 
CA there will be what's perhaps some of the best JamMan wrangling 
you'll ever see played by Fresno's very best: Brian Kenny.  Yes, songs 
of Secret Girlfriends, Mexican Resteraunt owners convicted of Insurance 
Fraud and Yngwie Fucking Malmstein (that's who!)  I'm going to try and 
get there, but if you've not seen this man, you should.

Mark

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    How good are the new Gibson Echolplexs? Any recommendations on where to 
purchase? Alto Music had them for about $750. Also anybody familiar with the 
Yamaha SU200? Is it a floor pedal?

                
                                Thanks, James

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> Steuart asked about CDR longevity:
>  
>  I've never had a single complaint, Steuart and I've been putting them out
>  for the last three years.
>  

Most CDRs have a guarantee of 20 years lifetime only.
So when i bring out my own CDs 
I'll be using specialist brands
with a 100year guarantee.

In UK these are available from HHB, and don't cost 
much more than the regular ones.

The other day I listened to the first album I ever bought,
on vinyl of course.
28 years ago.

andy butler


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Ciao James,
I got mine at Alto & it was a real good purchase. The folks there were real 
nice & sent it to me promptly too.
I'm actually going to buy the Digi Mbox from them soon, as they seem to have 
the lowest price & because of the positive experience w/ the EDP purchase

Cheers
Lou



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>Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 13:53:41 EDT
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>     How good are the new Gibson Echolplexs? Any recommendations on where 
>to
>purchase? Alto Music had them for about $750. Also anybody familiar with 
>the
>Yamaha SU200? Is it a floor pedal?
>
>
>                                 Thanks,




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For what it's worth, my first CD purchase (Prince's Around the World in 
a Day) is still playing fine.  I think I bought it in 1985.

Mark

On Sunday, September 8, 2002, at 11:12  AM, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote:

>> Steuart asked about CDR longevity:
>>
>>  I've never had a single complaint, Steuart and I've been putting 
>> them out
>>  for the last three years.
>>
>
> Most CDRs have a guarantee of 20 years lifetime only.
> So when i bring out my own CDs
> I'll be using specialist brands
> with a 100year guarantee.
>
> In UK these are available from HHB, and don't cost
> much more than the regular ones.
>
> The other day I listened to the first album I ever bought,
> on vinyl of course.
> 28 years ago.
>
> andy butler
>
>

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i own two and love them.  alto has them for $649.00 
and they're very prompt to ship and super-easy to deal 
with.  as far as i know, that's the cheapest deal for 
new units.  they usually have one or two on ebay or 
you can buy from their website, although they website 
quotes a large sum for shipping.  i'd call rather than 
order from the website.

-jim

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Hey.

More EDP woes for me.  I think I may have gotten a lemon.  Yesterday 
(after reseating the eproms) I booted it up to do some looping.  Upon 
hitting record for the second time to define the loop length, I got a 
big loud static/hiss sound that just sustained until I cleared the 
loop.  Imagine the sound of a radio between stations.  After clearing 
out the loop, it proceeded to work fine the rest of the night.

Has anyone else had this happen?  I searched the archives and found 
nothing exactly the same.  I've got two gigs coming up where I'd like 
to use the Echoplex, but frankly, I'm nervous about trying to use it 
live as it's been unreliable so far.

Mark Sottilaro

On Sunday, September 8, 2002, at 11:21  AM, Louis Rossi wrote:

> Ciao James,
> I got mine at Alto & it was a real good purchase. The folks there were 
> real nice & sent it to me promptly too.
> I'm actually going to buy the Digi Mbox from them soon, as they seem 
> to have the lowest price & because of the positive experience w/ the 
> EDP purchase
>
> Cheers
> Lou
>
>
>
>> From: Jhsidlo@aol.com
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>> To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com
>> Subject: Gibson Echoplex
>> Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 13:53:41 EDT
>>
>>     How good are the new Gibson Echolplexs? Any recommendations on 
>> where to
>> purchase? Alto Music had them for about $750. Also anybody familiar 
>> with the
>> Yamaha SU200? Is it a floor pedal?
>>
>>
>>                                 Thanks,
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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Jhsidlo@aol.com writes:

>How good are the new Gibson Echolplexs?
compared to what?
*-)
anyway:
very good, i think.
 
>Any recommendations on where to
>purchase?
alto music, definitely recommended.
dt / s-c 

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This thing is *so* going back.  It's defective, for sure.  I'm getting 
the infinite reboot sequence again.  Was working fine, then in the 
middle of a loop it crapped out.   I guess I won the defective EDP 
lottery.  Weeeee!  Oh wait, not infinite... in finally did reboot.  
Sorry little EDP.  You're going back.  I should have followed my 
instincts and taken it back the day I got it and it did this when I 
turned it on the first time.

Mark Sottilaro

On Sunday, September 8, 2002, at 11:52  AM, Mark Sottilaro wrote:

> Hey.
>
> More EDP woes for me.  I think I may have gotten a lemon.  Yesterday 
> (after reseating the eproms) I booted it up to do some looping.  Upon 
> hitting record for the second time to define the loop length, I got a 
> big loud static/hiss sound that just sustained until I cleared the 
> loop.  Imagine the sound of a radio between stations.  After clearing 
> out the loop, it proceeded to work fine the rest of the night.
>
> Has anyone else had this happen?  I searched the archives and found 
> nothing exactly the same.  I've got two gigs coming up where I'd like 
> to use the Echoplex, but frankly, I'm nervous about trying to use it 
> live as it's been unreliable so far.
>
> Mark Sottilaro
>
> On Sunday, September 8, 2002, at 11:21  AM, Louis Rossi wrote:
>
>> Ciao James,
>> I got mine at Alto & it was a real good purchase. The folks there 
>> were real nice & sent it to me promptly too.
>> I'm actually going to buy the Digi Mbox from them soon, as they seem 
>> to have the lowest price & because of the positive experience w/ the 
>> EDP purchase
>>
>> Cheers
>> Lou
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: Jhsidlo@aol.com
>>> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>> To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com
>>> Subject: Gibson Echoplex
>>> Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 13:53:41 EDT
>>>
>>>     How good are the new Gibson Echolplexs? Any recommendations on 
>>> where to
>>> purchase? Alto Music had them for about $750. Also anybody familiar 
>>> with the
>>> Yamaha SU200? Is it a floor pedal?
>>>
>>>
>>>                                 Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
>>
>

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Sounds similar to the result of EDP "overheating due to the old voltage 
regulator design"  - though that probably wouldn't stop happening unless it 
was moved or equipment near it got turned off.

http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199807/msg00036.html
http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200012/msg00235.html

You can determine if you have the old regulator or one of the newer ones by 
reading this:
http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200101/msg00074.html


At 11:52 AM 2002/09/08, Mark Sottilaro wrote:
>Hey.
>
>More EDP woes for me.  I think I may have gotten a lemon.  Yesterday 
>(after reseating the eproms) I booted it up to do some looping.  Upon 
>hitting record for the second time to define the loop length, I got a big 
>loud static/hiss sound that just sustained until I cleared the 
>loop.  Imagine the sound of a radio between stations.  After clearing out 
>the loop, it proceeded to work fine the rest of the night.
>
>Has anyone else had this happen?  I searched the archives and found 
>nothing exactly the same.  I've got two gigs coming up where I'd like to 
>use the Echoplex, but frankly, I'm nervous about trying to use it live as 
>it's been unreliable so far.
>
>Mark Sottilaro

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Mark,

Never seen what you mention, but I have, very rarely, had one of my EDPs
have a very high gain during overdub.  Straight record of a loop would be
fine, multiply, insert, etc.  But Overdub would be at very high gain
levels... producing a high-gain hiss.  Rebooting has always fixed it.

This only happens once a month or so.  I've learned to check the Overdub
situation right away when I power up to play.

Anyone else seen *that*?

P.S.
Mark - Probably because you're such a prolific list member, with great ideas
and a relatively positive attitude - I find myself wanting you to like the
EDP :)  I know you do, but I hate hearing that you may have a bum unit,
which is frustrating I'm sure!  Hope you get it all worked out.

Doug
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> Hey.
>
> More EDP woes for me.  I think I may have gotten a lemon.  Yesterday
> (after reseating the eproms) I booted it up to do some looping.  Upon
> hitting record for the second time to define the loop length, I got a
> big loud static/hiss sound that just sustained until I cleared the
> loop.  Imagine the sound of a radio between stations.  After clearing
> out the loop, it proceeded to work fine the rest of the night.
>
> Has anyone else had this happen?  I searched the archives and found
> nothing exactly the same.  I've got two gigs coming up where I'd like
> to use the Echoplex, but frankly, I'm nervous about trying to use it
> live as it's been unreliable so far.
>
> Mark Sottilaro
>
> On Sunday, September 8, 2002, at 11:21  AM, Louis Rossi wrote:
>
> > Ciao James,
> > I got mine at Alto & it was a real good purchase. The folks there were
> > real nice & sent it to me promptly too.
> > I'm actually going to buy the Digi Mbox from them soon, as they seem
> > to have the lowest price & because of the positive experience w/ the
> > EDP purchase
> >
> > Cheers
> > Lou
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: Jhsidlo@aol.com
> >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >> To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com
> >> Subject: Gibson Echoplex
> >> Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 13:53:41 EDT
> >>
> >>     How good are the new Gibson Echolplexs? Any recommendations on
> >> where to
> >> purchase? Alto Music had them for about $750. Also anybody familiar
> >> with the
> >> Yamaha SU200? Is it a floor pedal?
> >>
> >>
> >>                                 Thanks,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
> >
>

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this was sent from a few days ago, sorry I didn't get to it sooner:

At 10:19 AM 9/4/2002, Brother Sean wrote:
>Can the EDP send a midi start or stop command when sent a specific note value?
>
>I think this is possible but not sure. I m using Loop IV with my EDP but 
>haven t quite been able to get this to work.

Yes, there are several different ways to do that. Check the LoopIV manual 
under the Synchronization chapter, page 41. You have the sections 
"Commanding a StartSong when Sync=in", "QuantMIDIStartSong" command, and 
"MuteQuantMIDIStartSong" command.

http://www.aurisis.com/products/loopIV/LoopIVGuide.pdf

basically:
commanding a startsong when sync=in: While in reset with clock coming, 
press the Undo button. This will send a startsong immediately and reset the 
EDP's idea of where Beat 1 of the sequencer is to that point. You can also 
"press" the undo button by midi, using the midi command for undo.

QuantMIDIStartSong: midi command is source# + 40, or note 76 from default 
settings. When this command is received a StartSong message is sent at the 
next startpoint of the loop. (as determined by the 8ths/cycle parameter and 
the EDP's current understanding of where the downbeat in the midi clock is.)

MuteQuantMIDIStartSong: midi command is source# + 41, or note 77 from 
default settings. This is just like QuantMIDIStartSong, except the loop is 
muted first. At the startpoint it unmutes and sends the StartSong.


>THE REASON I NEED THIS FUNCTIONALITY IS BELOW:
>
>I use an akai MPC2000xl as my sequencer and it is driving an old roland 
>CR-78 drum machine. My problem is I want my CR-78 to be able to start and 
>stop in the middle of my mpc2000xl sequence. But no one knows how to get 
>the akai to send out midi start and stop commands in the middle of a 
>sequence. When I press start or stop on the akai that works great and 
>sends a midi start or stop command to the CR-78 but in the middle of a 
>sequence I have no control.
>
>So my plan is to have my midi clock run from my akai -> EDP -> CR78. I can 
>send note values all day long from the akai to anything. So if there are 
>note values that will make the EDP send midi start/stop messages that 
>should work cause then it will drive the CR78 rather than the akai. What 
>do you think?
>
>Any advice/help is much appreciated!

that should be easy with the new sync features in LoopIV.

kim


______________________________________________________________________
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just don't give up on the edp in general.  i was super-
pissed when i thought my first one was bad (the low 
input headroom issue...which i've since found a 
perfect work-around that brings everything back up to 
normal level) but now it's simply indispensable.  

it's a bummer that you got the bad one.  i think you 
must've gotten the one i was supposed to get because 
it seems like everything i buy breaks or doesn't work 
right.  

-jim

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I had a problem something like this when I first bought my EDP. I sent it
back to Gibson, and they said it was the memory, but they chose not to
replace it ! When it was returned, I opened it up and found that one of the
regulators was hot enough to burn eggs on, and if I used a fan to cool it
off, the Howling sound it would produce every now and then would go away.
So, I bought a small heatsink and attached it onto the regulator, and the
box has worked fine ever since....

John

----- Original Message -----
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> Hey.
>
> More EDP woes for me.  I think I may have gotten a lemon.  Yesterday
> (after reseating the eproms) I booted it up to do some looping.  Upon
> hitting record for the second time to define the loop length, I got a
> big loud static/hiss sound that just sustained until I cleared the
> loop.  Imagine the sound of a radio between stations.  After clearing
> out the loop, it proceeded to work fine the rest of the night.
>
> Has anyone else had this happen?  I searched the archives and found
> nothing exactly the same.  I've got two gigs coming up where I'd like
> to use the Echoplex, but frankly, I'm nervous about trying to use it
> live as it's been unreliable so far.
>
> Mark Sottilaro
>
> On Sunday, September 8, 2002, at 11:21  AM, Louis Rossi wrote:
>
> > Ciao James,
> > I got mine at Alto & it was a real good purchase. The folks there were
> > real nice & sent it to me promptly too.
> > I'm actually going to buy the Digi Mbox from them soon, as they seem
> > to have the lowest price & because of the positive experience w/ the
> > EDP purchase
> >
> > Cheers
> > Lou
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: Jhsidlo@aol.com
> >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >> To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com
> >> Subject: Gibson Echoplex
> >> Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 13:53:41 EDT
> >>
> >>     How good are the new Gibson Echolplexs? Any recommendations on
> >> where to
> >> purchase? Alto Music had them for about $750. Also anybody familiar
> >> with the
> >> Yamaha SU200? Is it a floor pedal?
> >>
> >>
> >>                                 Thanks,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
> >
>
>

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Has anyone tried this model? It's sort of a guitar workstation but also has
this 'Jamman'-mode which, if I'm correct, provides 8 tracks of loop
recording into smartmedia cards.
It looks interesting specially now that the repeater is discontinued.
Here's a link to it: http://www.digitech.com/products/gnx3.htm

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My EDP consistently has BIG static upon booting.  I've learned it needs to
warm up for a couple of minutes, and then it's not any longer a problem, it
works fine.

It has been suggested as sounding like bad memory.

-D
avid

"One sweet dream___
Pick up the bags and get in the limousine___
Soon we'll be away from here__
Step on the gas and wipe that tear away___
One sweet dream___came true__today
came true__today..."
(L/M)


=Mark Sottilaro said:


> Hey.
>
> More EDP woes for me.  I think I may have gotten a lemon.  Yesterday
> (after reseating the eproms) I booted it up to do some looping.  Upon
> hitting record for the second time to define the loop length, I got a
> big loud static/hiss sound that just sustained until I cleared the
> loop.  Imagine the sound of a radio between stations.  After clearing
> out the loop, it proceeded to work fine the rest of the night.
>
> Has anyone else had this happen?  I searched the archives and found
> nothing exactly the same.  I've got two gigs coming up where I'd like
> to use the Echoplex, but frankly, I'm nervous about trying to use it
> live as it's been unreliable so far.
>
> Mark Sottilaro

>

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I just had to zero out my computer and reinstall everything.
One thing I lost was a link to one of my favorite bands, that I found out
about through Loopers Delight several months ago.
I know this is a really vague inquiry, but does anyone remember mentioning a
band that I believe was based in SF that used loops plus live improv.  Style
was drum 'n' bass plus jazz, I believe, and the group included a live
guitarist, bassist, and a DJ.  I really loved their music and would love to
get that link back.
Thanks.

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> From: "U.Sastra" 
> Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 23:10:24 +0200
> To: 
> Subject: Has anyone tried the Digitech GNX3?
> 
> Has anyone tried this model? It's sort of a guitar workstation but also has
> this 'Jamman'-mode which, if I'm correct, provides 8 tracks of loop
> recording into smartmedia cards.
> It looks interesting specially now that the repeater is discontinued.
> Here's a link to it: http://www.digitech.com/products/gnx3.htm

I tried one briefly. From my experience it is more of a recorder than a
looper: fine to do the infinite 'solo over whatever' thing, or records parts
than you might want to transfer onto your DAW than a creative tool. I
couldn't find anything ressembling a feedback control...
Regards,
Laurent.

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Sorry to ask the same question again: anybody could recommend a mixer
(smallest possible form factor, possibly half 19" rack) that could blend
about 3 stereo (or 6 mono) sources, with 1 or 2 FX sends and /or router
possibilities? I tried most of the rack mixers such as the Rolls, Yamaha or
Kawai and find them quite hissy, I'd like something transparent and do not
need EQs or volumes. I'm a bit at loss... Thanks in advance!
Essentially I need to send whatever mix that comes from my guitar processor
and TiBook into 2 EDPs, keeping the original mix dry and having the
possibility to reduce the stereo image send to mono to feed the EDPs.
Regards,
Laurent.

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>> Most CDRs have a guarantee of 20 years lifetime only.
>> ...
>> andy butler

> For what it's worth, my first CD purchase (Prince's
> Around the World in a Day) is still playing fine.
> I think I bought it in 1985.
> Mark

FWIW - As I recall, real CDs have quite a long estimated lifespan.  CDRs use
a different technology and so I'd expect their lifespan to be different.
CD-RWs are even different yet.

- Dennis Leas


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Uhhh, that sounds like my band based here in SF ... "jump/cut"

http://www.jumpcut.net

If so, wow, thanks for the good words!

BTW, if you like this style of music (ambient/drum'n'bass/jazz), also check
out http://www.subnautic.net ... a little more on the Jazz tip, but really
great stuff.


----- Original Message -----
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To: 
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Subject: Re: Anyone remember this looping band from (I think) San Francisco


> I just had to zero out my computer and reinstall everything.
> One thing I lost was a link to one of my favorite bands, that I found out
> about through Loopers Delight several months ago.
> I know this is a really vague inquiry, but does anyone remember mentioning
a
> band that I believe was based in SF that used loops plus live improv.
Style
> was drum 'n' bass plus jazz, I believe, and the group included a live
> guitarist, bassist, and a DJ.  I really loved their music and would love
to
> get that link back.
> Thanks.
>

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Hi Mark,

I think I may have at least tied you on the defective front.  I played
my EDP for a grand total of 4 times, within a single week.  Then one day
I started it up and got the "ERR" message and that was the end of my
unit.  I sent it to Gibson for repair which subsequently took almost two
months to get back.  Personally, even though I am glad to have my unit
back now and everything seems to be working well, I believe a better
business decision that Gibson could have made for a brand new customer
would have been to send me a replacement immediately.  My other gear has
rarely acted up, especially when it was new, but in the cases when I
experienced something like this, the manufacturer promptly sent me a
brand new unit.  This is just plain good business in my opinion.  I hope
that you have a better experience than I did getting your unit
repaired/replaced in a very prompt manner.  I am not trying to slam the
EDP, but if a company thinks a customer should be at their mercy since
they are the only game in town, then I have a problem.

Regards,
Steve Ginn

> 
> This thing is *so* going back.  It's defective, for sure.  
> I'm getting 
> the infinite reboot sequence again.  Was working fine, then in the 
> middle of a loop it crapped out.   I guess I won the defective EDP 
> lottery.  Weeeee!  Oh wait, not infinite... in finally did reboot.  
> Sorry little EDP.  You're going back.  I should have followed my 
> instincts and taken it back the day I got it and it did this when I 
> turned it on the first time.
> 
> Mark Sottilaro
> 

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laurentbrondel@earthlink.net writes:

>Sorry to ask the same question again: anybody could recommend a mixer
>(smallest possible form factor, possibly half 19" rack) that could blend
>about 3 stereo (or 6 mono) sources, with 1 or 2 FX sends and /or router
>possibilities?

rane sm82.
best,
dt / splattercell

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Just curious....

What kinds of modeling amps are folks from this site using (where
applicable)?

I've bought (and sold) several different incarnations since I've 'arrived'
at using the Fender Cyber-twin and a Roland VG-88 (ok-not really an amp). I
did own, at one time, a Roland VGA-7 that I really liked for it's tuning, 12
string and capo capabilities. I also tried a VOX Valvetronix which I REALLY
wanted to like but it, again, seemed to be oriented towards lots of
distortion/headbanging sounds. Oh, I returned a Rocktron Replitone twin
speaker amp. A very nice amp, I might say. Very loud! Good effects, too. Too
lous for my home studio, though.

The Cyber Twin is an awesome amp, IMHO. It produces very nice-sounding
models, particularly of Fender models (duh!).

Anyhow, I was just curious of other folk's experiences from this website.

Regards, Paul

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At 02:21 PM 9/8/2002 -0400, Louis Rossi wrote:

>I'm actually going to buy the Digi Mbox from them soon, as they seem to 
>have the lowest price & because of the positive experience w/ the EDP purchase

Lou,

Just curious, but why the Mbox?  From everything I've heard, unless you're 
part of the cult of ProTools, just about everything else on the market 
beats it.

Of course, if you are a ProTools junkie, it makes perfect sense.  I just 
didn't want to see anybody potentially making a purchasing mistake.

         -c-

_____
"i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back"
                                                 -recoil

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Great show! It was a pleasure to hear the Brothers Walker together... :)

-cpr
>-- Original Message --
>From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" 
>To: 
>Subject: gig spam:   Looping Music at the FESTIVAL OF LIVE DIGITAL ANIMATION
>at the SJMA
>Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 03:54:23 -0700
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>
>
>I just wanted to let everyone whithin driving distance that
>my brother, Bill Walker and I are providing all of the live 
>music for the FESTIVAL OF LIVE DIGITAL ANIMATION
>at the SAN JOSE MUSEUM OF ART in SAN JOSE, CALIFORNIA
>this coming Sunday, September 8th from 2-5 p.m.
>
>David Tristram and Alan Peevers will be providing state of the art
>and cutting edge live digital animation based on our music.
>
>Alan's work may be familiar to some of you as he has done the
>Y2K2 LOOPFEST visuals and the Electron Salon visuals
>
>David has worked with artists as diverse as the Rolling Stones
>and Loop.pooL (tee hee hee----I just love writing that sentence)
>and provided this year's stunning visuals at the amazing
>WOODSTOCKHAUSEN EXPERIMENTAL MUSIC FESTIVAL.
>
>Hope to see some of you there.   Please come up and say hi and
>take a look at our antiquated ELECTRIX REPEATERS (;-)
>
>yours,  Rick Walker (aka, Loop.pooL)
>


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  Though not an amp, the Boss GT-6 works really well with my Steinberger
GL-2-T.   I'd set up a Brian May patch from Killer Queen, since I like the
tone quite alot, and last weekend, when playing with Brother Synch, or at
least two brothers from said arrangement, lol!  Bret said, "Hey!, -it's
Brian May!" -without my saying anything about the patch.  
  Anyway, I've tried the POD, Line-6 Veta, the Vox, the VGA-7, the GT-3,
Digitech RP-2000, VG-8, and VG-88, and actually prefer the 6 since it feels
the most like a tube so far, in one pedal  board processor.  I've not tried
either the Fender Cybertwin or the Marshall Modeling amp, and would like
to, but really would like a nice light little floor processor so I can
carry it and go direct so am really happy with the 6.  In addition to the
Vox AC-30 Brian May idea, I was able to get very close to a Fender Vibrolux
whose clean tone I really like.  
  Anyway, it also has some very musical synth tones which I also like, and
very nice effects, so depending on your tastes, it might be something worth
trying.  -just my thoughts.  -Best of luck...  


Smiles,

CQ

 At 09:01 PM 9/9/02 -0400, you wrote:
>Just curious....
>
>What kinds of modeling amps are folks from this site using (where
>applicable)?
>
>I've bought (and sold) several different incarnations since I've 'arrived'
>at using the Fender Cyber-twin and a Roland VG-88 (ok-not really an amp). I
>did own, at one time, a Roland VGA-7 that I really liked for it's tuning, 12
>string and capo capabilities. I also tried a VOX Valvetronix which I REALLY
>wanted to like but it, again, seemed to be oriented towards lots of
>distortion/headbanging sounds. Oh, I returned a Rocktron Replitone twin
>speaker amp. A very nice amp, I might say. Very loud! Good effects, too. Too
>lous for my home studio, though.
>
>The Cyber Twin is an awesome amp, IMHO. It produces very nice-sounding
>models, particularly of Fender models (duh!).
>
>Anyhow, I was just curious of other folk's experiences from this website.
>
>Regards, Paul
>
>


---

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-Then, anything is possible..."  

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<< when playing with Brother Synch>>

Hey, don't those guys have three Roland VG-8's in one band?

Regards, Paul

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>   Though not an amp, the Boss GT-6 works really well with my Steinberger
> GL-2-T.   I'd set up a Brian May patch from Killer Queen, since I like the
> tone quite alot, and last weekend, when playing with Brother Synch, or at
> least two brothers from said arrangement, lol!  Bret said, "Hey!, -it's
> Brian May!" -without my saying anything about the patch.
>   Anyway, I've tried the POD, Line-6 Veta, the Vox, the VGA-7, the GT-3,
> Digitech RP-2000, VG-8, and VG-88, and actually prefer the 6 since it
feels
> the most like a tube so far, in one pedal  board processor.  I've not
tried
> either the Fender Cybertwin or the Marshall Modeling amp, and would like
> to, but really would like a nice light little floor processor so I can
> carry it and go direct so am really happy with the 6.  In addition to the
> Vox AC-30 Brian May idea, I was able to get very close to a Fender
Vibrolux
> whose clean tone I really like.
>   Anyway, it also has some very musical synth tones which I also like, and
> very nice effects, so depending on your tastes, it might be something
worth
> trying.  -just my thoughts.  -Best of luck...
>
>
> Smiles,
>
> CQ
>
>  At 09:01 PM 9/9/02 -0400, you wrote:
> >Just curious....
> >
> >What kinds of modeling amps are folks from this site using (where
> >applicable)?
> >
> >I've bought (and sold) several different incarnations since I've
'arrived'
> >at using the Fender Cyber-twin and a Roland VG-88 (ok-not really an amp).
I
> >did own, at one time, a Roland VGA-7 that I really liked for it's tuning,
12
> >string and capo capabilities. I also tried a VOX Valvetronix which I
REALLY
> >wanted to like but it, again, seemed to be oriented towards lots of
> >distortion/headbanging sounds. Oh, I returned a Rocktron Replitone twin
> >speaker amp. A very nice amp, I might say. Very loud! Good effects, too.
Too
> >lous for my home studio, though.
> >
> >The Cyber Twin is an awesome amp, IMHO. It produces very nice-sounding
> >models, particularly of Fender models (duh!).
> >
> >Anyhow, I was just curious of other folk's experiences from this website.
> >
> >Regards, Paul
> >
> >
>
>
> ---
>
>   "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother.
> -Then, anything is possible..."
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates
>
> Please visit The Guitar Cafe.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe
>
>
>

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I really like the Yamaha DG Stomp.
I also have the AG Stomp, which is absolutely stellar
as an acoustic guitar preamp.
I hear the UD Stomp is capable of some seriously
cool modulation effects....I'd like to at least listen to it.
But the DG Stomp is capable of a very wide palette
of sounds....plus has the digital output and expression
pedal input.  This is coming from a real tube junkie --
I also have an old Kitty Hawk Quatro tube preamp
from Germany, an old 50's Ampeg Gemini 6, a Seymour
Duncan AC 30 clone, and an older Fender champ...
so I know tube tone.  The DG Stomp may not nail
tube tone, but it is very expressive and when I
record I have the option of using a plug-in to add
tube warmth...and these have gotten very sweet
recently.....
--
gary
@friendlyspider.com


Butch wrote:

> Just curious....
>
> What kinds of modeling amps are folks from this site using (where
> applicable)?
> Regards, Paul



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We have a new feature for PiNG list subscribers starting this week
- rik maclean's PiNG THiNGS' CD REViEWS. I won't be including
them with newslist posts to save some bandwidth - but if you're
interested, you can subscribe through the Ping website.
This week - "Interiors" by Sara Ayers.

THE AMBiENT PiNG   http://www.theambientping.com
Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30
  @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto
         3 blocks east of the Union Station subway.
         map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

This Tuesday September 10th - Wally Jericho with dreamSTATE

Ambient electronic soundscapers Scott M2 and Jamie Todd from
dreamSTATE join the mighty Wally Jericho (trumpet, bass, samples
& loops) on the Ping stage for the first time since this "ambient
power trio" launched dreamSTATE's year-long Drone Cycle in
January 2000. Expect a night of improvised soundscapes, both
light & dark, asynchronous loops, chillout grooves & floating ambience.

Wally Jericho - http://www.wallyjericho.com
dreamSTATE - http://www.dreamSTATE.to

Between Sets CD - "Linger" by James Johnson
Chicago artist James Johnson will be here tonight *virtually*
as we feature a CD recorded live in Toronto in 2000 at The
Ambient Ping, sound:escape & dreamSTATE's Sunspot Studio.
http://www.zeromusic.net
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's
finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus
performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia
(aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect
for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room
and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the
club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats
are on offer at the PiNG THiNGS ambient/experimental CD boutique.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

September 17th - Open and John Kameel Farah
Open - http://www.slowdrift.com
John Kameel Farah - http://webhome.idirect.com/~ffarah
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

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Steve, thanks for losing the link! I hadn't heard this yet. Good stuff,
Doug. Do you have a CD out?

Jim P

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Lawrence [mailto:dlawren@pacbell.net]
> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 3:46 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Anyone remember this looping band from (I think) San
> Francisco
>
>
> Uhhh, that sounds like my band based here in SF ... "jump/cut"
>
> http://www.jumpcut.net
>
> If so, wow, thanks for the good words!
>
> BTW, if you like this style of music (ambient/drum'n'bass/jazz),
> also check
> out http://www.subnautic.net ... a little more on the Jazz tip, but really
> great stuff.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Sandberg" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 3:05 PM
> Subject: Re: Anyone remember this looping band from (I think) San
> Francisco
>
>
> > I just had to zero out my computer and reinstall everything.
> > One thing I lost was a link to one of my favorite bands, that I
> found out
> > about through Loopers Delight several months ago.
> > I know this is a really vague inquiry, but does anyone remember
> mentioning
> a
> > band that I believe was based in SF that used loops plus live improv.
> Style
> > was drum 'n' bass plus jazz, I believe, and the group included a live
> > guitarist, bassist, and a DJ.  I really loved their music and would love
> to
> > get that link back.
> > Thanks.
> >
>

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on 9/9/02 6:01 PM, Butch at paulrichard10@attbi.com wrote:

> Just curious....
> 
> What kinds of modeling amps are folks from this site using (where
> applicable)?

Yamaha DG-Stomp primarily, mostly on the clean settings.

I used my Roland GP-100 at the Santa Cruz Y2K2 Loopfest because I decided I
wanted to reduce the number of items at my feet. It's a little long in the
tooth, but it's got pretty much the full range of Roland COSM modelling and
has some useful options for signal routing, a fairly rich complement of
effects, and even some dual amplifier capabilities. (Fripp still uses one as
of last report...)

(The GP-100 is more or less for sale since floor space usually isn't a
problem, I've got a mixer, I've got other effects boxes, and the DG Stomp
and my Klein like each other. I almost sold the GP-100 to someone on the
list a month ago, but he suddenly decided to pay his credit card bills. My
standard rate when selling is Prepal - 10% discount for loopers. A month
ago, that worked out to $284 + shipping.)

As for other amps...

My chief comment about the Vetta was that it was REALLY LOUD. The UI was
nice.

I want to try the zenAmp.

I'm interested in Gary's comments in praise of the AG Stomp. I played with
one recently at Guitar Center and I was annoyed at the sound of all of the
distant miked models. It sounded like I was playing in a very hard, small
room. (This was while wearing headphones to audition it.) I'd like to know
what I should be expecting out of the AG Stomp.

Mark

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I currently use the POD 2, a Boss VF-1(main rack) and a Boss GX700(backup
and live rack). What I found for me to be the best is the POD in parallel
with the VF-1 (I use this setup mainly for recording). I love the dynamics
of the POD, and the sounds I usually use on it (I don't use no preset except
the ones I have programmed for it) sound really much like the originals. The
VF-1 isn't that bad alone, but it is way less dynamic than the POD. Usually,
using them in parallel can give a very full tone. I have a Laney LC15R, have
had a Marshall JCM800 and currently have used a Fender The Twin and a 70's
Fender Silver Reverb, and I must say that for me the Pod comes pretty close
(even more if you use it on a valve power-amp). I'm looking forward to try
the Vox Valvetronix that is going to arrive to the musical instrument shop I
work now.
Have tried the DG-Stomp, and I like it, too, but I prefer the POD.

Peace
Luigi
----- Original Message -----
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> Just curious....
>
> What kinds of modeling amps are folks from this site using (where
> applicable)?
>
> I've bought (and sold) several different incarnations since I've 'arrived'
> at using the Fender Cyber-twin and a Roland VG-88 (ok-not really an amp).
I
> did own, at one time, a Roland VGA-7 that I really liked for it's tuning,
12
> string and capo capabilities. I also tried a VOX Valvetronix which I
REALLY
> wanted to like but it, again, seemed to be oriented towards lots of
> distortion/headbanging sounds. Oh, I returned a Rocktron Replitone twin
> speaker amp. A very nice amp, I might say. Very loud! Good effects, too.
Too
> lous for my home studio, though.
>
> The Cyber Twin is an awesome amp, IMHO. It produces very nice-sounding
> models, particularly of Fender models (duh!).
>
> Anyhow, I was just curious of other folk's experiences from this website.
>
> Regards, Paul
>


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I've used a Tech21 Trademark 60 for awhile- great amp- though can be a
little noisy- they also have a 120 watt 2x12- my current fav is the
Tech21 Tri AC stomp box- sounds great- simple to use- 3 presets- you set
the knobs then double click the switch and it is set.

Cliff

www.om-studios.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Goddess [mailto:thefates@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 7:27 PM
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  Though not an amp, the Boss GT-6 works really well with my Steinberger
GL-2-T.   I'd set up a Brian May patch from Killer Queen, since I like
the
tone quite alot, and last weekend, when playing with Brother Synch, or
at
least two brothers from said arrangement, lol!  Bret said, "Hey!, -it's
Brian May!" -without my saying anything about the patch.  
  Anyway, I've tried the POD, Line-6 Veta, the Vox, the VGA-7, the GT-3,
Digitech RP-2000, VG-8, and VG-88, and actually prefer the 6 since it
feels
the most like a tube so far, in one pedal  board processor.  I've not
tried
either the Fender Cybertwin or the Marshall Modeling amp, and would like
to, but really would like a nice light little floor processor so I can
carry it and go direct so am really happy with the 6.  In addition to
the
Vox AC-30 Brian May idea, I was able to get very close to a Fender
Vibrolux
whose clean tone I really like.  
  Anyway, it also has some very musical synth tones which I also like,
and
very nice effects, so depending on your tastes, it might be something
worth
trying.  -just my thoughts.  -Best of luck...  


Smiles,

CQ

 At 09:01 PM 9/9/02 -0400, you wrote:
>Just curious....
>
>What kinds of modeling amps are folks from this site using (where
>applicable)?
>
>I've bought (and sold) several different incarnations since I've
'arrived'
>at using the Fender Cyber-twin and a Roland VG-88 (ok-not really an
amp). I
>did own, at one time, a Roland VGA-7 that I really liked for it's
tuning, 12
>string and capo capabilities. I also tried a VOX Valvetronix which I
REALLY
>wanted to like but it, again, seemed to be oriented towards lots of
>distortion/headbanging sounds. Oh, I returned a Rocktron Replitone twin
>speaker amp. A very nice amp, I might say. Very loud! Good effects,
too. Too
>lous for my home studio, though.
>
>The Cyber Twin is an awesome amp, IMHO. It produces very nice-sounding
>models, particularly of Fender models (duh!).
>
>Anyhow, I was just curious of other folk's experiences from this
website.
>
>Regards, Paul
>
>


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Andre's show at the Crooked Bar was great- the tight rhythmic things he
did really were great- audience members were able to tap their feet to
the glitch o tronic beats. Good job. Is it the new software? The new
footpedal? Or simply choice? In any case I likes it and so did my
friend.

 

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Andre’s show at the Crooked Bar was great- the =
tight
rhythmic things he did really were great- audience members were able to =
tap
their feet to the glitch o tronic beats. Good job. Is it the new =
software? The
new footpedal? Or simply choice? In any case I likes it and so did my =
friend.



 



Cliff



 



www.om-studios.com



 









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Mark....
You are probably referring to the dual mic settings...
you can adjust the spread of the mics to avoid the
"early single reflection" sound you are probably referring
to.  When this is set too wide, the effect is a bit intense
on solo acoustic, though can work much better in a mix.
I find the sound very inspiring...  and it can make a dull
guitar sound so much better.  It makes my Martin DM,
which everyone who's hears it says it sounds wonderful,
(blows away Taylors and Guilds and others which cost
twice as much) sound even better....   Oh sure, a pair
of great mics in a great space with a good engineer to
help judge mic placement is better....  but for live use
feeding my JamMan or single-man recording, I love it,
and not just because my last name is Yamaha...
My acoustic setup:
Martin DM > AG Stomp > JamMan > Peavey Kosmos >
Hafler TA1600 > custom JBL and EV cabs > RCA subwoofer
(from Kosmos sub out)  Check out the reviews at Harmony
Central including my overly verbose pos-rant.....
http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Yamaha/AG_Stomp-01.html
--
gary
@friendlyspider.com

Mark Hamburg wrote:

> I'm interested in Gary's comments in praise of the AG Stomp. I played with
> one recently at Guitar Center and I was annoyed at the sound of all of the
> distant miked models. It sounded like I was playing in a very hard, small
> room. (This was while wearing headphones to audition it.) I'd like to know
> what I should be expecting out of the AG Stomp.
>
> Mark



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A Pod2 (w/ "looper set up") if going through a PA.
Or... A Flextone 2 Plus with extension speaker w/ "looper set up" in effects 
loop.
(For gigs with minimal/ no loopage a Gibson Goldtone GA15rv).

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Hello,

This is information of our series Internet broadcast live gig, it called 
"Live from Far East".

Vol.8 gig is 14th Sep. 2002.


You can see our gig via Real Player.
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Well, my EDP has just picked up the "infinite restart" thing Mark
Sottilaro was mentioning earlier today.  I just played a full gig with
it, without any obvious problems during the set.  But when I went to
switch it off after playing, the screen was in the "none more black" state.

Taking it home and powering it up to check it out, it was going back to
the sudden restart syndrome - sometiems several times in a row,
sometimes once.  Tapping the chassis caused it to freeze, requiring a
physical power-off.

I removed and re-seated both the EPROMS and the memory SIMMS, and right
now it seems OK, for the last few minutes at least... I'll leave it
running overnight, but just in case...

does anyone else have any additional suggestions as to things I could
try/test?  And has anyone else had recent experience with Gibson's
repair department to confirm or deny the two-month repair turnaround
time that was quoted here?  If that's the case, I'm going to have to
cancel and/or postpone quite a bit of activity indefinitely (including
the EDP tutorial video shooting, was was supposed to happen this month).

Thanks for any help,

--Andre

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- could it be Live Human (dj Quest)

>I just had to zero out my computer and reinstall everything.
>One thing I lost was a link to one of my favorite bands, that I found out
>about through Loopers Delight several months ago.
>I know this is a really vague inquiry, but does anyone remember mentioning
>a
>band that I believe was based in SF that used loops plus live improv. 
>Style
>was drum 'n' bass plus jazz, I believe, and the group included a live
>guitarist, bassist, and a DJ.  I really loved their music and would love
>to
>get that link back.
>Thanks.
>

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Thanks Doug -- love the music!  Am enjoying subnautic, too.  If I ever come
to California would love to hang or catch a show.

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On 9/9/02 2:59 AM, "Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com"
 wrote:

>> Sorry to ask the same question again: anybody could recommend a mixer
>> (smallest possible form factor, possibly half 19" rack) that could blend
>> about 3 stereo (or 6 mono) sources, with 1 or 2 FX sends and /or router
>> possibilities?
> 
> rane sm82.
> best,
> dt / splattercell

Thanks, seems like the best choice. Anybody knows the Roland M120? What do
you think? Noise, hiss?
Cheers,
Laurent.

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I feel for you man.  If Banana's doesn't help me out, I'm basically 
screwed with the upcoming gigs I have coming up.  I'm hoping because 
mine is so new, they'll just give me an exchange, but a loaner would be 
OK too.  If not, I will switch from shopping there and return to mail 
order.

Good luck,

Mark Sottilaro

On Monday, September 9, 2002, at 02:18  AM, Andre LaFosse wrote:

> Well, my EDP has just picked up the "infinite restart" thing Mark
> Sottilaro was mentioning earlier today.  I just played a full gig with
> it, without any obvious problems during the set.  But when I went to
> switch it off after playing, the screen was in the "none more black" 
> state.

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On Sunday, September 8, 2002, at 04:14  PM, M. Steven Ginn wrote:

> .  I sent it to Gibson for repair which subsequently took almost two
> months to get back.  Personally, even though I am glad to have my unit
> back now and everything seems to be working well, I believe a better
> business decision that Gibson could have made for a brand new customer
> would have been to send me a replacement immediately.

I totally agree.  If a unit is bad from the factory, you shouldn't have 
to deal with customer repair.  A good company should allow the retail 
store to give you a replacement, then take the defective unit, repair 
it and sell it as "B" stock.  This way, you get what you paid for, 
someone else gets a chance for a good deal, and the only party that has 
to pay for the poorly made gear is the party that made it.  There 
should be some sort of law that puts the full liability on the 
manufacturer and not on the consumer.

Mark Sottilaro

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http://www.fsfl.home.se/backspegel/allefex.html

Dennis Leas
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What what what?  You had to modify your EDP to get it to work?!!  
That's rediculous.  In California there's a lemon law that says, if you 
have to have a unit repaired 3 times for the same problem they have to 
give you a new one or refund.  My wife benefited from this when a 
Panasonic Car CD player I got her for Christmas was sent back 3 times 
for over heating problems. (it actually melted the edge of one of her 
disks!  WITH LOOPING ON IT, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!)

Mark Sottilaro


On Sunday, September 8, 2002, at 02:04  PM, John Mcleod wrote:

> I had a problem something like this when I first bought my EDP. I sent 
> it
> back to Gibson, and they said it was the memory, but they chose not to
> replace it ! When it was returned, I opened it up and found that one 
> of the
> regulators was hot enough to burn eggs on, and if I used a fan to cool 
> it
> off, the Howling sound it would produce every now and then would go 
> away.
> So, I bought a small heatsink and attached it onto the regulator, and 
> the
> box has worked fine ever since....
>
> John

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I installed Loop IV and things went well for a week.  Then it started
rebooting for no reason.   Things have progressed, or should I say
regressed, to where it now locks up in the boot sequence, with the letters
"LO" in the right side of my display.   And this occurs immediately after I
turn it on, with none of the usual streaming.   My plex is one of the old
Oberheims.

Kim, Is ther any reason I shouldn't try to reinstall LoopIII?

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Oh, and the really bad news is that Gibson informs me that new EDPs are
going to ship until december.   

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Interview with Robert Moog on "The Connection."
(Probably most of you heard this already...)

http://www.theconnection.org/shows/2002/09/20020905_b_main.asp

Dennis Leas
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Is this problem specific LoopIV?  I'm operating Loop3 with no problems. 
jeff

On Mon, 2002-09-09 at 11:46, Mark Sottilaro wrote:
> I feel for you man.  If Banana's doesn't help me out, I'm basically 
> screwed with the upcoming gigs I have coming up.  I'm hoping because 
> mine is so new, they'll just give me an exchange, but a loaner would be 
> OK too.  If not, I will switch from shopping there and return to mail 
> order.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Mark Sottilaro
> 
> On Monday, September 9, 2002, at 02:18  AM, Andre LaFosse wrote:
> 
> > Well, my EDP has just picked up the "infinite restart" thing Mark
> > Sottilaro was mentioning earlier today.  I just played a full gig with
> > it, without any obvious problems during the set.  But when I went to
> > switch it off after playing, the screen was in the "none more black" 
> > state.
> 
> 


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andre-

when i sent mine to shane at gibson, it was a week in transit, two weeks
until he got around to looking at it, found that no repairs were necessary
(which would've added more bench time) and a week getting back to me.  all
told, an edp-less month and that's with nothing wrong with the unit.

-jim


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"Kim, Is ther any reason I shouldn't try to reinstall LoopIII?"

question: are these problems only happening with LoopIV?  i never upgraded
and have had NO software or hardware problems at all from either unit, one
being 6 months old and the other just a few weeks.

-jim


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--- John Mcleod  wrote:
> I had a problem something like this when I first bought my EDP. I
> sent it
> back to Gibson, and they said it was the memory, but they chose not
> to
> replace it ! When it was returned, I opened it up and found that one
> of the
> regulators was hot enough to burn eggs on, and if I used a fan to
> cool it
> off, the Howling sound it would produce every now and then would go
> away.
> So, I bought a small heatsink and attached it onto the regulator, and
> the
> box has worked fine ever since....
> 
> John
The original 2 voltage regulators run hot. They had a large rectangular
block of metal as a heatsink between the regulator fin and the back of
the edp case.

The new regulator (1 reg replaces 2) runs very cool, no heatsink
required.  You can replace it yourself, or have a technician do this.
bret

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Loop 4-ites,

in loop 4 is it possible to come out of a multiply function with an
unrounded loop (like hitting record in Loop 3) but do so in overdub mode???

Steve
www.steve-lawson.co.uk


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My setup:

VG8 with guitar out into Adrenalinn (returns to VG8)
Roland switchbox for combining or separating the hex pickup to
GR33 with gtr out to J-Station returned to GR33. (Mostly trigger via midi
the JP8080).

To me mixing and matching is where its at. 3 simultaneous modeling amps
gives a lot of options for sound sculpture (and mud)!





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> -----Original Message-----
> From: PMimlitsch@aol.com [mailto:PMimlitsch@aol.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 12:43 AM
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>
>
> A Pod2 (w/ "looper set up") if going through a PA.
> Or... A Flextone 2 Plus with extension speaker w/ "looper set up"
> in effects
> loop.
> (For gigs with minimal/ no loopage a Gibson Goldtone GA15rv).
>
>

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the software isn't going to cause your hardware to fail. try reinstalling 
the roms, maybe a pin got bent when you put the new roms in. Also make sure 
you put the chassis back together right and nothing fell loose inside or 
anything like that.

The era of the echoplex doesn't matter for LoopIV.

kim

At 09:21 AM 9/9/2002, Rik Elswit wrote:
>I installed Loop IV and things went well for a week.  Then it started
>rebooting for no reason.   Things have progressed, or should I say
>regressed, to where it now locks up in the boot sequence, with the letters
>"LO" in the right side of my display.   And this occurs immediately after I
>turn it on, with none of the usual streaming.   My plex is one of the old
>Oberheims.
>
>Kim, Is ther any reason I shouldn't try to reinstall LoopIII?

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"try reinstalling 
the roms, maybe a pin got bent when you put the new roms in. Also make sure 
you put the chassis back together right and nothing fell loose inside or 
anything like that."


I'm off to the tool drawer.

Rik

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these are hardware issues, not software. almost always it turns out to be a 
dirty memory socket or something like that.
kim

At 03:42 AM 9/9/2002, Jimmy Fowler wrote:
>"Kim, Is ther any reason I shouldn't try to reinstall LoopIII?"
>
>question: are these problems only happening with LoopIV?  i never upgraded
>and have had NO software or hardware problems at all from either unit, one
>being 6 months old and the other just a few weeks.

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You can use delay mode to do this.

otherwise you can do it easily with a midi controller sending the two 
commands together.

It should work in LoopIII or LoopIV.

kim

At 09:19 AM 9/9/2002, Steve Lawson wrote:
>Loop 4-ites,
>
>in loop 4 is it possible to come out of a multiply function with an
>unrounded loop (like hitting record in Loop 3) but do so in overdub mode???
>
>Steve
>www.steve-lawson.co.uk

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Yes, during the 'Expect Delays' (mp3.com) days, BrotherSync used 3
roland vg-8, and 3 edp.  Currently we have 2 vg8, GT-6, 3 edp, 2
jamman, 2 repeaters, 1 dl4 available.

Now that CQ is recording with us a name change may be required:
Brother and Sister Sync
Sibling Sync
3 Men and a Goddess

bret
--- Butch  wrote:
> << when playing with Brother Synch>>
> 
> Hey, don't those guys have three Roland VG-8's in one band?
> 
> Regards, Paul
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Goddess" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:26 PM
> Subject: Re: Modeling Amps
> 
> 
> >   Though not an amp, the Boss GT-6 works really well with my
> Steinberger
> > GL-2-T.   I'd set up a Brian May patch from Killer Queen, since I
> like the
> > tone quite alot, and last weekend, when playing with Brother Synch,
> or at
> > least two brothers from said arrangement, lol!  Bret said, "Hey!,
> -it's
> > Brian May!" -without my saying anything about the patch.
> >   Anyway, I've tried the POD, Line-6 Veta, the Vox, the VGA-7, the
> GT-3,
> > Digitech RP-2000, VG-8, and VG-88, and actually prefer the 6 since
> it
> feels
> > the most like a tube so far, in one pedal  board processor.  I've
> not
> tried
> > either the Fender Cybertwin or the Marshall Modeling amp, and would
> like
> > to, but really would like a nice light little floor processor so I
> can
> > carry it and go direct so am really happy with the 6.  In addition
> to the
> > Vox AC-30 Brian May idea, I was able to get very close to a Fender
> Vibrolux
> > whose clean tone I really like.
> >   Anyway, it also has some very musical synth tones which I also
> like, and
> > very nice effects, so depending on your tastes, it might be
> something
> worth
> > trying.  -just my thoughts.  -Best of luck...
> >
> >
> > Smiles,
> >
> > CQ
> >


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I can't remember which regulator it was now (U2 ?). I talked to Shane Radke
at Gibson, and he said it was normal for this regulator to run that hot !
Anyway, with the heatsink on, it runs cool and I have not had any problem
with it in the last year.

John

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>
> --- John Mcleod  wrote:
> > I had a problem something like this when I first bought my EDP. I
> > sent it
> > back to Gibson, and they said it was the memory, but they chose not
> > to
> > replace it ! When it was returned, I opened it up and found that one
> > of the
> > regulators was hot enough to burn eggs on, and if I used a fan to
> > cool it
> > off, the Howling sound it would produce every now and then would go
> > away.
> > So, I bought a small heatsink and attached it onto the regulator, and
> > the
> > box has worked fine ever since....
> >
> > John
> The original 2 voltage regulators run hot. They had a large rectangular
> block of metal as a heatsink between the regulator fin and the back of
> the edp case.
>
> The new regulator (1 reg replaces 2) runs very cool, no heatsink
> required.  You can replace it yourself, or have a technician do this.
> bret
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Kim wrote:
> Try reinstalling 
> the roms, maybe a pin got bent when you put the new roms in. Also
> make sure 
> you put the chassis back together right and nothing fell loose inside
> or anything like that.

Just a minor point, but many electronic components are very sensitive
to static damage. I don't know how sensitive these particular things
are, but it would be a good precaution to make sure you're grounded to
the chassis of the unit (and preferably to a good ground) to prevent
damage from static discharge.

Greg

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   Howdy Listerz,
   Just wondering if there were any of you that live in or near
   Sacramento(California of course...)? I'm out in Woodland
   so the Bay Area isn't too far away, but Sacto is closer.
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  -All very good names, those...    How about The Big Scary Ambient
Band?!!!    lollollol!  -Well I suppose it's not quite as ambient with the
cool groovage going on...    lol!  The 505's gettin' more awesome and
scary!   woohoo!
  Thanks for answering about the VG-8s.  I wasn't sure... 
  

Laters,

C-Monster

At 10:46 AM 9/9/02 -0700, you wrote:
>Yes, during the 'Expect Delays' (mp3.com) days, BrotherSync used 3
>roland vg-8, and 3 edp.  Currently we have 2 vg8, GT-6, 3 edp, 2
>jamman, 2 repeaters, 1 dl4 available.
>
>Now that CQ is recording with us a name change may be required:
>Brother and Sister Sync
>Sibling Sync
>3 Men and a Goddess
>
>bret
>--- Butch  wrote:
>> << when playing with Brother Synch>>
>> 
>> Hey, don't those guys have three Roland VG-8's in one band?
>> 
>> Regards, Paul
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Goddess" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: Modeling Amps
>> 
>> 
>> >   Though not an amp, the Boss GT-6 works really well with my
>> Steinberger
>> > GL-2-T.   I'd set up a Brian May patch from Killer Queen, since I
>> like the
>> > tone quite alot, and last weekend, when playing with Brother Synch,
>> or at
>> > least two brothers from said arrangement, lol!  Bret said, "Hey!,
>> -it's
>> > Brian May!" -without my saying anything about the patch.
>> >   Anyway, I've tried the POD, Line-6 Veta, the Vox, the VGA-7, the
>> GT-3,
>> > Digitech RP-2000, VG-8, and VG-88, and actually prefer the 6 since
>> it
>> feels
>> > the most like a tube so far, in one pedal  board processor.  I've
>> not
>> tried
>> > either the Fender Cybertwin or the Marshall Modeling amp, and would
>> like
>> > to, but really would like a nice light little floor processor so I
>> can
>> > carry it and go direct so am really happy with the 6.  In addition
>> to the
>> > Vox AC-30 Brian May idea, I was able to get very close to a Fender
>> Vibrolux
>> > whose clean tone I really like.
>> >   Anyway, it also has some very musical synth tones which I also
>> like, and
>> > very nice effects, so depending on your tastes, it might be
>> something
>> worth
>> > trying.  -just my thoughts.  -Best of luck...
>> >
>> >
>> > Smiles,
>> >
>> > CQ
>> >
>
>
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Could it be a bad eprom itself?  I wonder if I could try another version of
loop3 to see if that fixes my woes before I send mine away for the big repair.

Kim?  Anyone?

Mark

Rik Elswit wrote:

> "try reinstalling
> the roms, maybe a pin got bent when you put the new roms in. Also make sure
> you put the chassis back together right and nothing fell loose inside or
> anything like that."
>
> I'm off to the tool drawer.
>
> Rik

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For the "starving musician" may I suggest the Behringer V-Amp?  I don't think
you could beat it for the price. ($129)  After my friend bought one to use with
her stick, I picked one up just to use for mini gigs when I don't feel like
dragging my rack around.  So far it's been great.

Usually I use a Digitech 2120 with cabinate modeling off right into a mixer
then a pair of Mackie 450s.  Sounds great in my opinion, though it uses
actually 12ax7 tubes in it's preamp.

Marklar

Butch wrote:

> Just curious....
>
> What kinds of modeling amps are folks from this site using (where
> applicable)?
>
> I've bought (and sold) several different incarnations since I've 'arrived'
> at using the Fender Cyber-twin and a Roland VG-88 (ok-not really an amp). I
> did own, at one time, a Roland VGA-7 that I really liked for it's tuning, 12
> string and capo capabilities. I also tried a VOX Valvetronix which I REALLY
> wanted to like but it, again, seemed to be oriented towards lots of
> distortion/headbanging sounds. Oh, I returned a Rocktron Replitone twin
> speaker amp. A very nice amp, I might say. Very loud! Good effects, too. Too
> lous for my home studio, though.
>
> The Cyber Twin is an awesome amp, IMHO. It produces very nice-sounding
> models, particularly of Fender models (duh!).
>
> Anyhow, I was just curious of other folk's experiences from this website.
>
> Regards, Paul

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OK, I'm willing to open up my EDP and hit it with some contact cleaner... but
why would a memory socket ship dirty?  Seems so odd to me, having worked with
so much computer and other electronic gear, and never having this happen.

I also notice LOTs of silicone goo on different parts of my EDP's circuit
board.  Is this normal?  I've never seen so much on any electronic device
before.  Weird.

Is there a recommened contact cleaner that I should look for?

Mark Sottilaro

Kim Flint wrote:

> these are hardware issues, not software. almost always it turns out to be a
> dirty memory socket or something like that.
> kim
>
> At 03:42 AM 9/9/2002, Jimmy Fowler wrote:
> >"Kim, Is ther any reason I shouldn't try to reinstall LoopIII?"
> >
> >question: are these problems only happening with LoopIV?  i never upgraded
> >and have had NO software or hardware problems at all from either unit, one
> >being 6 months old and the other just a few weeks.
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
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Wait... if no repairs were needed, what was wrong with it?

Mark

Jimmy Fowler wrote:

> andre-
>
> when i sent mine to shane at gibson, it was a week in transit, two weeks
> until he got around to looking at it, found that no repairs were necessary
> (which would've added more bench time) and a week getting back to me.  all
> told, an edp-less month and that's with nothing wrong with the unit.
>
> -jim

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No, I'm using factory installed loop3.

Mark

Jeffrey Lomas wrote:

> Is this problem specific LoopIV?  I'm operating Loop3 with no problems.
> jeff
>
> On Mon, 2002-09-09 at 11:46, Mark Sottilaro wrote:
> > I feel for you man.  If Banana's doesn't help me out, I'm basically
> > screwed with the upcoming gigs I have coming up.  I'm hoping because
> > mine is so new, they'll just give me an exchange, but a loaner would be
> > OK too.  If not, I will switch from shopping there and return to mail
> > order.
> >
> > Good luck,
> >
> > Mark Sottilaro
> >
> > On Monday, September 9, 2002, at 02:18  AM, Andre LaFosse wrote:
> >
> > > Well, my EDP has just picked up the "infinite restart" thing Mark
> > > Sottilaro was mentioning earlier today.  I just played a full gig with
> > > it, without any obvious problems during the set.  But when I went to
> > > switch it off after playing, the screen was in the "none more black"
> > > state.
> >
> >

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Oh... and by the way, how can you be sure it's hardware and not software?
Seems like the machine is crashing, as would any computer running software.
Getting stuck in a boot sequence seems like software, no?

Mark Sottilaro

Kim Flint wrote:

> these are hardware issues, not software. almost always it turns out to be a
> dirty memory socket or something like that.
> kim
>
> At 03:42 AM 9/9/2002, Jimmy Fowler wrote:
> >"Kim, Is ther any reason I shouldn't try to reinstall LoopIII?"
> >
> >question: are these problems only happening with LoopIV?  i never upgraded
> >and have had NO software or hardware problems at all from either unit, one
> >being 6 months old and the other just a few weeks.
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
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Yes, that is a good point. good ESD practice should always be followed when 
dealing with any electronics parts. The installation instructions that come 
with LoopIV explain this, hopefully everybody pays attention to it.
kim

At 10:34 AM 9/9/2002, Greg House wrote:
>Kim wrote:
> > Try reinstalling
> > the roms, maybe a pin got bent when you put the new roms in. Also
> > make sure
> > you put the chassis back together right and nothing fell loose inside
> > or anything like that.
>
>Just a minor point, but many electronic components are very sensitive
>to static damage. I don't know how sensitive these particular things
>are, but it would be a good precaution to make sure you're grounded to
>the chassis of the unit (and preferably to a good ground) to prevent
>damage from static discharge.

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I really doubt it. the roms are always tested before they are shipped. When 
they  fail they simply don't work at all, and usually they can't even be 
programmed in the first place. So far I've never seen a ROM fail after it 
was programmed and tested.

I've seen an awful lot of bent ROM pins though.

kim

At 12:58 PM 9/9/2002, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
>Could it be a bad eprom itself?  I wonder if I could try another version of
>loop3 to see if that fixes my woes before I send mine away for the big repair.
>
>Kim?  Anyone?
>
>Mark
>
>Rik Elswit wrote:
>
> > "try reinstalling
> > the roms, maybe a pin got bent when you put the new roms in. Also make sure
> > you put the chassis back together right and nothing fell loose inside or
> > anything like that."
> >
> > I'm off to the tool drawer.

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...still looking for midi controllers...

The biggest need is for a pedal that can send midi
cc messages.  My Behringer fcb1010 expression pedals
do this fine, but there are only two, with lots of
buttons I don't need.

The goal is to control both a repeater and fx processor.
The repeater and my fx mangler have some midi overlap, so 
_really_ wierd stuff occurs if I do things like vary my
LFO speed in the mangler.

Midi Solutions makes some cool interfaces that a
volume pedal or other pot can be plugged into,
but that combo would be twice the price of another
fcb1010.  Maybe the fcb1010 could be sawed in half?

Schematics for modifying a volume pedal also exist,
but my soldering skills are limited to figuring out
which end of the iron to hold(the one that doesn't
hurt.)

Any more midi pedal ideas?

Yours in rhythm,
Steve



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The EDP software is held in an Eprom, which does not, and cannot ever
get written to in the EDP, it is read only.   In a pc boot sectors can
get corrupted on hard drives, for various reasons like media Thermal
asperities, grown defects, contamination, or anything affecting the
track misregistration budget, or being overwritten accidentally by
offtrack or other reasons , but Eproms do not fail in this manner.

If this boot issue was in software (as a bug, or software design
defect), we would all see it, and it would be repeatable and
consistent.

I use Caig 100% liquid deoxIT (aka r5 power booster) to clean and
protect the contacts of the ram, rom and other socketed chips in the
edp.  This can be followed by using Caig preservIT if your equipment
where there is a high degree of humidity, sulfur, salts, acids, etc. in
the air. 
http://support.caig.com/

On a different but related note, I recently had an EDP with SEVERE
harmonic distortion, on both dry and delay signals.  Cleaning the input
pot resolved this completely.
bret
--- sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
> Oh... and by the way, how can you be sure it's hardware and not
> software?
> Seems like the machine is crashing, as would any computer running
> software.
> Getting stuck in a boot sequence seems like software, no?
> 
> Mark Sottilaro
> 
> Kim Flint wrote:
> 
> > these are hardware issues, not software. almost always it turns out
> to be a
> > dirty memory socket or something like that.
> > kim
> >
> > At 03:42 AM 9/9/2002, Jimmy Fowler wrote:
> > >"Kim, Is ther any reason I shouldn't try to reinstall LoopIII?"
> > >
> > >question: are these problems only happening with LoopIV?  i never
> upgraded
> > >and have had NO software or hardware problems at all from either
> unit, one
> > >being 6 months old and the other just a few weeks.
> >
> >
>
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> > kflint@loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-delight.com
> 


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> 
> Any more midi pedal ideas?
> 


Kind of overkill and definitely expensive, but the Doepfer Drehbank has 4
inputs for pedal to midi and 4 more for cv to midi. This will be my new fab
toy in about a year after I've saved up my pocket money - only problem for
non computer users is that there would be a whole lot of dials doing
nothing.


Www.doepfer.com

Cheers


Andrew

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If you know basic soldering, you can hack
into a J.L. Cooper Fadermaster like I did
and tap the fader leads to a guitar jack to
whcih you hook up an expression pedal
(volume pedals can usually do the job)
I had an older FaderMaster....you can
occassionally find these used...but they
have a newer model which may not be
too expensive.....  There are also MIDI
fader boxes by Peavey and others which
can be similarly hacked.....
--
gary
@friendlyspider.com


Andrew Pask wrote:

> >
> > Any more midi pedal ideas?
> >
>
> Kind of overkill and definitely expensive, but the Doepfer Drehbank has 4
> inputs for pedal to midi and 4 more for cv to midi. This will be my new fab
> toy in about a year after I've saved up my pocket money - only problem for
> non computer users is that there would be a whole lot of dials doing
> nothing.
>
> Www.doepfer.com
>
> Cheers
>
> Andrew




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--- sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
> OK, I'm willing to open up my EDP and hit it with some contact
> cleaner... but
> why would a memory socket ship dirty?  Seems so odd to me, having
> worked with
> so much computer and other electronic gear, and never having this
> happen.

Oxidation.  Also, the ram and/or contacts in the socket could have had
contamination on it from the manufacturer, or acquired contamination
during the handling/assembly process.  The components can shift and not
be seated properly with (mis)handling in shipment, or transit from gig
to gig.  Most of us handle and transport our computers much more gently
than most handle and transport music gear.

> I also notice LOTs of silicone goo on different parts of my EDP's
> circuit
> board.  Is this normal?  I've never seen so much on any electronic
> device
> before.  Weird.

Please elaborate.  Is this hardened silicone (feels like rubber)? 
Where is it, to keep components from moving (like caps)?  How much is
there?

I have used and seen silicone as a support or strain relief on tall
capacitors that are supported by their contact legs only.  This
prevents the legs from fatiguing and breaking after much vibration.
> 
> Is there a recommened contact cleaner that I should look for?

Caig industries 
http://support.caig.com/
DeoxIT (aka R5 power booster) is a good cleaner/lubricant/coating for
the legs of ICs (before insertion into sockets) or contacts like on
RAM.  If you get it in 100% form use it sparingly.  I use a swab to
wipe each IC leg, both sides.  If you get it in spray form don't wash
your entire PCBA with it.  The lubricant in DeoxIT will not evaporate
like a pure cleaner does.  It leaves an oily film, which is part of
it's protective qualities.

bret



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First, I want to thank you all for your excellent role as "Gibson customer
support" and for all the good information.  Tonight I shall (once again)
open up my EDP and this time attempt to clean all the contacts.  I only
reseated the eproms, and upon finding the bent pin, I figured that was
obviously my problem.  When it worked after that, I thought I was done.  I
didn't even bother with the memory becaues the fault seemed so obvious.

Bret wrote:

>
> > I also notice LOTs of silicone goo on different parts of my EDP's
> > circuit
> > board.  Is this normal?  I've never seen so much on any electronic
> > device
> > before.  Weird.
>
> Please elaborate.  Is this hardened silicone (feels like rubber)?
> Where is it, to keep components from moving (like caps)?  How much is
> there?
>
> I have used and seen silicone as a support or strain relief on tall
> capacitors that are supported by their contact legs only.  This
> prevents the legs from fatiguing and breaking after much vibration.

Yes, this seems like it could be the reason for the hardened silicone.  It
just seemed a little excessive.  I've never seen a device with as much as
this one has.  I wasn't saying this was a possible flaw, it just seemed
odd.

Thanks again kids.  You loopers never cease to amaze me.

Mark Sottilaro

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Hi Jim,

Jimmy Fowler wrote:

> when i sent mine to shane at gibson, it was a week in transit, two weeks
> until he got around to looking at it, found that no repairs were necessary
> (which would've added more bench time) and a week getting back to me.  all
> told, an edp-less month and that's with nothing wrong with the unit.

Let me ask: what was the problem you were having with the EDP that
prompted you to send it in, and have you experience this same problem
(whatever it is/was) since getting it back?

Sorry if this has already been covered and I missed it...  I'm becoming
notorious for being hideously behind in emailing, alas...

Thanks,

--Andre

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Mark-
over the years of dealing with this thing in excruciating detail I've 
gotten a pretty good idea of which sorts of failures are hardware and which 
are software. In this case, like Bret said, you have firmware that is 
booting up perfectly fine in a large number of units. Then you have one 
hardware unit out of many that develops a sporadic crashing problem. 
Chances are it is something specific with that hardware, since the software 
is the same as everywhere else. History has shown that this specific type 
of bootup crash is usually related to the memory or the ROMs not contacting 
properly for some reason. That could be due to a bent pin, dirty or 
oxidized contacts in a socket, or a broken solder joint. Those things are 
relatively easy to deal with, so they are a good place to start.

Also, I've designed a lot of computer hardware in my career. I've always 
rather enjoyed how computer users always think all crashes and problems 
with their systems are caused by windows crashing or bad drivers. It really 
takes the pressure off the hardware guys.

kim

At 01:17 PM 9/9/2002, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
>Oh... and by the way, how can you be sure it's hardware and not software?
>Seems like the machine is crashing, as would any computer running software.
>Getting stuck in a boot sequence seems like software, no?
>
>Mark Sottilaro
>
>Kim Flint wrote:
>
> > these are hardware issues, not software. almost always it turns out to be a
> > dirty memory socket or something like that.
> > kim
> >
> > At 03:42 AM 9/9/2002, Jimmy Fowler wrote:
> > >"Kim, Is ther any reason I shouldn't try to reinstall LoopIII?"
> > >
> > >question: are these problems only happening with LoopIV?  i never upgraded
> > >and have had NO software or hardware problems at all from either unit, one
> > >being 6 months old and the other just a few weeks.

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At 02:47 PM 9/9/2002, Bret wrote:
> > I also notice LOTs of silicone goo on different parts of my EDP's circuit
> > board.  Is this normal?  I've never seen so much on any electronic device
> > before.  Weird.
>
>Please elaborate.  Is this hardened silicone (feels like rubber)?
>Where is it, to keep components from moving (like caps)?  How much is
>there?
>
>I have used and seen silicone as a support or strain relief on tall
>capacitors that are supported by their contact legs only.  This
>prevents the legs from fatiguing and breaking after much vibration.

yes, on newer EDP productions this goo has been applied for exactly that 
reason. Components that are upright and large enough for mechanical 
vibration to potentially cause cracked solder joints or something, now have 
rubbery goo applied to better hold them in place.

kim


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In my case it was a similar type of situation, but had to wait for
several weeks just to get some part that was needed for the repair.
Still, for a brand new unit, they should have just arranged to send me a
replacement and deal with the other unit themselves.

Steve


> 
> andre-
> 
> when i sent mine to shane at gibson, it was a week in 
> transit, two weeks until he got around to looking at it, 
> found that no repairs were necessary (which would've added 
> more bench time) and a week getting back to me.  all told, an 
> edp-less month and that's with nothing wrong with the unit.
> 
> -jim
> 
> 

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At 03:09 PM 9/9/2002, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
>First, I want to thank you all for your excellent role as "Gibson customer
>support" and for all the good information.  Tonight I shall (once again)
>open up my EDP and this time attempt to clean all the contacts.  I only
>reseated the eproms, and upon finding the bent pin, I figured that was
>obviously my problem.  When it worked after that, I thought I was done.  I
>didn't even bother with the memory becaues the fault seemed so obvious.

You might also want to recheck the rom pins too. On occasion I've bent a 
rom pin back, but didn't do it very well and left a kink in it. Then when I 
pressed it into the socket I just bent it out all over again. It's worth it 
to take some care and make sure the are all really in there.

kim


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It is possible that they just didn't have any new ones in stock at Gibson. 
This isn't exactly a high-volume sort of product.

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>several weeks just to get some part that was needed for the repair.
>Still, for a brand new unit, they should have just arranged to send me a
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"It is possible that they just didn't have any new ones in stock at Gibson. 
This isn't exactly a high-volume sort of product."

My Gibson rep says that there won't be new ones available in the US until
December.  He had a reason, but it didn't make enough sense for me to
remember it.

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Kim, Matthias, et. al.

Recently, I needed to run the VCA DC offset trimmer test.  
I followed the archives listing: 
To get into the trimmer test, Start the unit while holding the
Parameter and Record buttons down. Keep them held while the startup
screen goes by, until the display shows all t's. Then let go. Should
say 7F. Press parameter so the "Keys" LED is lit, then press Insert to
start the trimmer test.  

This does not work as described, in Loop IV, so I put Loop III in the
edp and ran the test and set the trim pot.  It worked fine.

Is there a way to enter test modes in Loop IV? 
Are there other test modes that may be useful in Loop IV?
thanks,
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In a message dated 9/9/02 12:05:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
dennis@mail.worldserver.com writes:


> http://www.fsfl.home.se/backspegel/allefex.html
> 
<< it is so simple that little practice is demanded to make the operator 
expert in the art of mechanical mimicry.Source: Moving Pictures - How they 
are made and worked>>

dennis.....good stuff.....and there was just some talk at the CT COLLECTIVE 
about a CT-SOUNDTRAC PROJECT.....it is a small world after all.....michael  
    








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http://www.fsfl.home.se/backspegel/allefex.html




<< it is so simple that little practice is demanded to make the operator expert in the art of mechanical mimicry.Source: Moving Pictures - How they are made and worked>>



dennis.....good stuff.....and there was just some talk at the CT COLLECTIVE about a CT-SOUNDTRAC PROJECT.....it is a small world after all.....michael  

    
















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http://www.fsfl.home.se/backspegel/allefex.html

Dennis Leas
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> Wait... if no repairs were needed, what was wrong with it?

i thought there was something amiss with the input and output resistors (the
headroom issue) but shane verified that nothing was wrong and i've since
developed a method to circumvent the low input headroom.

-jim


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Hi Kim,

I understand that this could have been the case and I don't normally get
involved in pot stirring.  However, I still feel close to two months is
just too long to deal with a repair job for a brand new unit.  I
understand that Shane is the only guy at Gibson who does repairs on
EDP's; I understand this is a limited quantity item; and I understand
that Gibson probably didn't have any replacement units on hand that they
could have sent me.  But, if Gibson is in the business to keep satisfied
customers and provide high quality equipment and service, they really
should revisit their current policies because they are not adequate and
do not compare to any other manufacturer that I have had to deal with.
I don't want to create a flame war here, but I do hope that maybe some
of what I experienced and my suggestions make it back to the people who
can effect change so that someone after me will have a better experience
than I did.  

Steve Ginn

> 
> It is possible that they just didn't have any new ones in 
> stock at Gibson. 
> This isn't exactly a high-volume sort of product.
> 
> At 04:17 PM 9/9/2002, M. Steven Ginn wrote:
> >In my case it was a similar type of situation, but had to wait for 
> >several weeks just to get some part that was needed for the repair. 
> >Still, for a brand new unit, they should have just arranged 
> to send me 
> >a replacement and deal with the other unit themselves.
> 
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
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"Let me ask: what was the problem you were having with the EDP that prompted
you to send it in, and have you experience this same problem
 (whatever it is/was) since getting it back? Sorry if this has already been
covered and I missed it...  I'm becoming notorious for being hideously
behind in emailing, alas..."

i thought the input headroom was dramatically low and the output wasn't hot
enough to compensate, so i sent it to shane thinking that perhaps there was
something wrong.  shane said "nope, all's well...this is how it is supposed
to work".  now i use it with mix at 100% wet, output at 100%, and input as
hot as i can get it with breaking up.  this gets me pretty darn close to
normal operating volume.

-jim



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> the sony's are waaay too hyped for me, in both top and bottom: 
> i don't hear
> that low-end as extension, but as 'amping'.....

Yes, I agree, but I have a tendency toward "hyped" mixes, anyway,
so if I get them to sound just a little too hyped on my Sony's,
I know they'll sound just right on pretty much everything else.

But again, the most important thing, in my case, is that I already
know them, so they're fine for me mostly because of that.
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> Andre's show at the Crooked Bar was great- the tight rhythmic things he
>  did really were great- audience members were able to tap their feet to
>  the glitch o tronic beats. Good job. Is it the new software? The new
>  footpedal? Or simply choice? 

Well I guess "the dude" is using an 8th Quantise to do that.
That's a new thing in Loop4, intended to allow a connection
between the far out glitchy stuff  and the more straightforward type 
of looping. Which, from your description, seems to be what is happening.

which is good :-) 

the footpedal just makes it all much easier

andy butler

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> At 09:19 AM 9/9/2002, Steve Lawson wrote:
>  >Loop 4-ites,
>  >
>  >in loop 4 is it possible to come out of a multiply function with an
>  >unrounded loop (like hitting record in Loop 3) but do so in overdub 
mode???
>  >
>  >Steve
>  >www.steve-lawson.co.uk

Yes, even without a MIDI controller.
hit Overdub first then use Record during the "rounding" period to
define the end point of the loop.
In general a press of Record will finish the loop Unrounded if used during
the "000" period.

Or go into Overdub before you start the Mult.

andy butler 

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I thought most manufacturers expected the retailers to handle DOA units
rather then working them through their warranty repair dept. If that's
the case for Gibson, then they may not have any processes in place to
deal with an early failure for a new customer.

I know if I bought something and it failed in the first few days, I'd
take it back to the place I bought it from and request a replacement.
Virtually every retailer I've dealt with is accomodating in this
respect.

Greg


--- "M. Steven Ginn"  wrote:
> In my case it was a similar type of situation, but had to wait for
> several weeks just to get some part that was needed for the repair.
> Still, for a brand new unit, they should have just arranged to send
> me a
> replacement and deal with the other unit themselves.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> > 
> > andre-
> > 
> > when i sent mine to shane at gibson, it was a week in 
> > transit, two weeks until he got around to looking at it, 
> > found that no repairs were necessary (which would've added 
> > more bench time) and a week getting back to me.  all told, an 
> > edp-less month and that's with nothing wrong with the unit.
> > 
> > -jim
> > 
> > 
> 


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At 04:48 PM 9/9/2002, Bret wrote:
>Kim, Matthias, et. al.
>
>Recently, I needed to run the VCA DC offset trimmer test.
>I followed the archives listing:
>To get into the trimmer test, Start the unit while holding the
>Parameter and Record buttons down. Keep them held while the startup
>screen goes by, until the display shows all t's. Then let go. Should
>say 7F. Press parameter so the "Keys" LED is lit, then press Insert to
>start the trimmer test.
>
>This does not work as described, in Loop IV, so I put Loop III in the
>edp and ran the test and set the trim pot.  It worked fine.
>
>Is there a way to enter test modes in Loop IV?

hold down Parameter and Overdub at power up to get to that set of tests in 
LoopIV. you don't have to wait for the startup screen to finish anymore, it 
goes directly to the test.

>Are there other test modes that may be useful in Loop IV?

go to the midi row, press mute, turn feedback knob.

kim


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Thanks Kim
--- Kim Flint  wrote:
> At 04:48 PM 9/9/2002, Bret wrote:
> >Kim, Matthias, et. al.
> >
> >Recently, I needed to run the VCA DC offset trimmer test.
> >I followed the archives listing:
> >To get into the trimmer test, Start the unit while holding the
> >Parameter and Record buttons down. Keep them held while the startup
> >screen goes by, until the display shows all t's. Then let go. Should
> >say 7F. Press parameter so the "Keys" LED is lit, then press Insert
> to
> >start the trimmer test.
> >
> >This does not work as described, in Loop IV, so I put Loop III in
> the
> >edp and ran the test and set the trim pot.  It worked fine.
> >
> >Is there a way to enter test modes in Loop IV?
> 
> hold down Parameter and Overdub at power up to get to that set of
> tests in 
> LoopIV. you don't have to wait for the startup screen to finish
> anymore, it 
> goes directly to the test.
> 
> >Are there other test modes that may be useful in Loop IV?
> 
> go to the midi row, press mute, turn feedback knob.
> 
> kim
> 
> 
>
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Hey kids.

Again, I want to say thanks for all the info and help.  I didn't know enough
about the EPROM burning process to realize that it was probably not software.

So, what I did last night was take the whole thing apart (again) and clean
that baby up.  I took each EPROM and memory chip (which I had not previously
touched, upon finding the bent EPROM pin... yes Kim, it was in fact in there
after I fixed it) and scrubbed it all down with contact cleaner.  The EPROMs
seemed fine, but I did notice a fair amount of black on the cuetip after
cleaning off the memory chips.  I then put it all back together and, of
course, it worked fine.  Played with it for a few hours with no problem and
went to bed with a loop running and woke up with it still there.

I wouldn't call this a good test, but it was barely staying booted up for 5
minutes before I did the big clean.  I'm going to try and repeat this every
night to make sure everything's good.

I still feel this is kind of weird though.  I've got a Mac SE30 that still
runs with no problems.  I also had a Mac IIX that ran for years and years and
years.  In the hot humid summers and bitter cold winters of upstate NY.  I've
never had to clean a contact or reseat anything, yet this seems common with
the EDP.  Someone said it was because of the fact we take the EDP out and bang
it around a lot more than computer gear, but I used to take the SE30 around
with me to gigs as a MIDI sequencer, so it often went to gigs in sub 0
conditions, only to find itself in a heated enviornment moments later.  The
thing still boots up.  I still use it to run the "Fish" screensaver in leu of
a real fishtank.

Could it be the type/brand of ram Gibson uses?  Why not clean it with a
cleaner that protects it from oxididation before installing it?  My unit was a
newer Gibson unit that's probably been a San Rafael CA storeage room most of
it's life.  That can't be a bad climate for electronics gear.  Moderate and
dry all year.  I know shit happens, but something tells me that other forces
are at work in this case.  We need to tell those Brits to stay away from the
stout and start QC'n their gear before they ship it.

Mark Sottilaro

Kim Flint wrote:

> At 03:09 PM 9/9/2002, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
> >First, I want to thank you all for your excellent role as "Gibson customer
> >support" and for all the good information.  Tonight I shall (once again)
> >open up my EDP and this time attempt to clean all the contacts.  I only
> >reseated the eproms, and upon finding the bent pin, I figured that was
> >obviously my problem.  When it worked after that, I thought I was done.  I
> >didn't even bother with the memory becaues the fault seemed so obvious.
>
> You might also want to recheck the rom pins too. On occasion I've bent a
> rom pin back, but didn't do it very well and left a kink in it. Then when I
> pressed it into the socket I just bent it out all over again. It's worth it
> to take some care and make sure the are all really in there.
>
> kim
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
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Mark,
Glad things are starting to look better, hope the proper function
continues.
Hopefully the memory contact cleaning did the trick.  Time and testing
will tell.  If the problem repeats, it can be diagnosed and fixed.

I have 3 echoplex and have never had a boot issue with them.  1 of
these was made in 1995, another in 1996, the third I don't know.  I
installed most of the memory, as the edp used to come with only 4mb of
ram.  The ram I installed was used from old computers, so I cleaned
them before first installing.  Maybe that is a clue.

I have done electronic repair and modifications for over 35 years.  I
have been an engineer supporting high volume manufacturing of disk
drives for the past 16 years.  We build tens of millions of drives each
year, so I've seen many varities of ways that they can be built wrong,
or component problems, or handling problems that introduce malfunction.

Connectivity issues are probably the most common malfunctions I have
seen in electronics.  Poor connections happen, whether it be
contamination, oxidation, bad alignment, or wear to contacts.  I have
seen computers malfunction due to memory connectivity issues.

The stout is not the problem.
Have a pint, relax and test :-)

Keep us posted. 

bret

--- sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
> Hey kids.
> 
> Again, I want to say thanks for all the info and help.  I didn't know
> enough
> about the EPROM burning process to realize that it was probably not
> software.
> 
> So, what I did last night was take the whole thing apart (again) and
> clean
> that baby up.  I took each EPROM and memory chip (which I had not
> previously
> touched, upon finding the bent EPROM pin... yes Kim, it was in fact
> in there
> after I fixed it) and scrubbed it all down with contact cleaner.  The
> EPROMs
> seemed fine, but I did notice a fair amount of black on the cuetip
> after
> cleaning off the memory chips.  I then put it all back together and,
> of
> course, it worked fine.  Played with it for a few hours with no
> problem and
> went to bed with a loop running and woke up with it still there.
> 
> I wouldn't call this a good test, but it was barely staying booted up
> for 5
> minutes before I did the big clean.  I'm going to try and repeat this
> every
> night to make sure everything's good.
> 
> I still feel this is kind of weird though.  I've got a Mac SE30 that
> still
> runs with no problems.  I also had a Mac IIX that ran for years and
> years and
> years.  In the hot humid summers and bitter cold winters of upstate
> NY.  I've
> never had to clean a contact or reseat anything, yet this seems
> common with
> the EDP.  Someone said it was because of the fact we take the EDP out
> and bang
> it around a lot more than computer gear, but I used to take the SE30
> around
> with me to gigs as a MIDI sequencer, so it often went to gigs in sub
> 0
> conditions, only to find itself in a heated enviornment moments
> later.  The
> thing still boots up.  I still use it to run the "Fish" screensaver
> in leu of
> a real fishtank.
> 
> Could it be the type/brand of ram Gibson uses?  Why not clean it with
> a
> cleaner that protects it from oxididation before installing it?  My
> unit was a
> newer Gibson unit that's probably been a San Rafael CA storeage room
> most of
> it's life.  That can't be a bad climate for electronics gear. 
> Moderate and
> dry all year.  I know shit happens, but something tells me that other
> forces
> are at work in this case.  We need to tell those Brits to stay away
> from the
> stout and start QC'n their gear before they ship it.
> 
> Mark Sottilaro
> 
> Kim Flint wrote:
> 
> > At 03:09 PM 9/9/2002, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
> > >First, I want to thank you all for your excellent role as "Gibson
> customer
> > >support" and for all the good information.  Tonight I shall (once
> again)
> > >open up my EDP and this time attempt to clean all the contacts.  I
> only
> > >reseated the eproms, and upon finding the bent pin, I figured that
> was
> > >obviously my problem.  When it worked after that, I thought I was
> done.  I
> > >didn't even bother with the memory becaues the fault seemed so
> obvious.
> >
> > You might also want to recheck the rom pins too. On occasion I've
> bent a
> > rom pin back, but didn't do it very well and left a kink in it.
> Then when I
> > pressed it into the socket I just bent it out all over again. It's
> worth it
> > to take some care and make sure the are all really in there.
> >
> > kim
> >
> >
>
______________________________________________________________________
> > Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
> > kflint@loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-delight.com
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Sorry for the long rambling post, but I figured I'd better answer some of
the recent EDP complaints: -

It would appear that some of the memory in the last 200 or so EDPs that
Trace Elliot built has a problem with bad contacts. This was the same memory
bought from MemoryX in the US that was used in the previous 600 or so units.
It hadn't given much trouble at all for a couple of years so we figured it
was a safe bet; very few SIMMs actually fail at any of the test stages. We
also hadn't had any reports of failure in the field. However, I don't want
to spread panic; current failure figures are still a very small percentage
of the total number of SIMMs used. Still unacceptable, I know and we are
investigating the problem.
I am looking at memory from different sources at the moment but it is a
difficult commodity to get in quantity due to it being pretty much obsolete.
There are a few suppliers who make new stock, but they charge up to $20 per
SIMM. Many just supply re-furbished sticks pulled from old computer hardware
and you have no idea of the history. We have to find good quality new stock
for $4/SIMM to keep the current retail price. Any suggestions for suppliers
would be appreciated, but I'm sure I've tried most. Most suppliers laugh
when I give them the spec for the memory: You want what? How many? Good luck
mate. We currently need about 3000 pieces and I've got various samples on
the way to test.

'Gunk' around some of the components, mainly the power supply caps, was
added to reduce the risk of the component legs breaking through their solder
connection due to vibration. I had a couple of units back where the large
capacitor had a cracked joint and the unit kept re-booting as the leg warmed
up, cooled down, or moved through any vibration. One of these lived in a
rack on top of a bass stack so was subjected to massive vibration for hours
at a time. The hot-melt glue around these sensitive components now has
definitely helped this problem.

Our policy when I worked at Trace was immediate swap out if a faulty unit
was within a year of purchase and then 48hour turnaround on units outside
the first year. Having spent many years as the Service Manager, I helped
develop the company's repair/exchange policy and we had a very good
reputation because of it. The philosophy that we instilled in the service
engineers was that every fault was an opportunity. A customer who never has
a problem may promote your gear by playing it or quietly singing it's
praises when asked but an irate customer with a fault, (and boy did I have
some screamers!), can be turned into a friend of the company for life.
Invite him down, explain exactly what you're doing at every step, take him
out to the pub for a beer and give him a whole bag of swag when he leaves.
If it was a construction problem, report the fault to the production floor
immediately so that it doesn't happen again and if it's a design issue, go
see the R&D guys. I'm still in contact with bass players whose amps I fixed
15 years ago and this makes me feel that some of the things we did were
really worthwhile. This type of policy does cost money, (some of our amps
were $3000 a throw), but I hope it didn't contribute too much to our
eventual downfall, (that may have had more to do with uncle Henry:)). To get
to the point, Shane does a very difficult job; he's covering the whole US
pretty much on his own, has a product base of 25 years Trace Bass & Trace
Acoustic manufacture to look after and rarely has new units in stock to swap
out for faulty ones. Clearly Gibson needs to look at the requirements and
procedures of their EDP back up and I hope that things will change when we
build large quantities of the new version. They have never been as keen to
promote the EDP as they now have with Kevin Van Pamel at the controls and
things can only improve. I can only suggest things to them, as I am not an
employee anymore but he does genuinely listen. For diplomatic reasons I
won't comment anymore on policy at Gibson. It's a shame you guys with
problems are not in the UK; it would be a pleasure to meet you, swap your
units out or fix them for you over a stout or two, (I actually prefer
Belgium wheat beer for future reference). That's one benefit of being in
this a very small and often wet nation; where Trace was situated, you could
drive from pretty much anywhere in the country in a few hours to see us.

On to the quality control issue. The sequence of events that each Trace
Elliot built unit went through is as follows: -
PCB and parts assembled in Tunisia.
Completed PCB inspected for dry/bad joints and then tested with a
semi-automated test jig and software written by Matthias.
Board shipped to the UK, inspected and then re-tested with an identical test
jig.
Unit assembled and placed on a test rack where all foot control functions
are tested and noise levels checked with a TA100 reference amplifier.
Multiple short loops are entered with overdub by a guitarist with F/B on
100%
Unit gently banged on all sides while running to check for loose internal
connections.
Unit left to run the loops for 24 hours and then carefully listened to by
same guitarist to check for any addition noise, loop decay or distortion.
Unit packed & shipped.

All future Straight Edge production of the Echoplex will be in the UK but we
were very happy with the quality from Tunisia when Trace built them.

Some units can slip through the net for obscure reasons; I had few instances
of sales guys sneaking into the factory when the staff had gone for the day
and taking un-tested stock out but not any EDPs as far as I know. However,
this type of thing is very rare and so each product that left the factory
had been through some pretty rigorous testing. Much more in fact that many
other audio manufacturers do and I've seen a lot of production lines in my
time.
I'm not trying to make excuses but I'm confident that every EDP that we made
was working perfectly when it left. The bent pin on the EPROM is a bad
mistake on the part of two test engineers and I apologise on their behalf.
One of them now works for me at Straight Edge so I've already mentioned it
to him and he promises to be more vigilant in the future, (it may have been
the other guy). If anyone wants to suggest any further testing before
despatch, I'd be happy to consider it.

I hope some of this helps, (if you've read down this far). We always welcome
constructive criticism or ways to improve things.
Andy.


-----Original Message-----
From: sine@zerocrossing.net [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net]
Sent: 10 September 2002 19:13
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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Hey kids.

Again, I want to say thanks for all the info and help.  I didn't know enough
about the EPROM burning process to realize that it was probably not
software.

So, what I did last night was take the whole thing apart (again) and clean
that baby up.  I took each EPROM and memory chip (which I had not previously
touched, upon finding the bent EPROM pin... yes Kim, it was in fact in there
after I fixed it) and scrubbed it all down with contact cleaner.  The EPROMs
seemed fine, but I did notice a fair amount of black on the cuetip after
cleaning off the memory chips.  I then put it all back together and, of
course, it worked fine.  Played with it for a few hours with no problem and
went to bed with a loop running and woke up with it still there.

I wouldn't call this a good test, but it was barely staying booted up for 5
minutes before I did the big clean.  I'm going to try and repeat this every
night to make sure everything's good.

I still feel this is kind of weird though.  I've got a Mac SE30 that still
runs with no problems.  I also had a Mac IIX that ran for years and years
and
years.  In the hot humid summers and bitter cold winters of upstate NY.
I've
never had to clean a contact or reseat anything, yet this seems common with
the EDP.  Someone said it was because of the fact we take the EDP out and
bang
it around a lot more than computer gear, but I used to take the SE30 around
with me to gigs as a MIDI sequencer, so it often went to gigs in sub 0
conditions, only to find itself in a heated enviornment moments later.  The
thing still boots up.  I still use it to run the "Fish" screensaver in leu
of
a real fishtank.

Could it be the type/brand of ram Gibson uses?  Why not clean it with a
cleaner that protects it from oxididation before installing it?  My unit was
a
newer Gibson unit that's probably been a San Rafael CA storeage room most of
it's life.  That can't be a bad climate for electronics gear.  Moderate and
dry all year.  I know shit happens, but something tells me that other forces
are at work in this case.  We need to tell those Brits to stay away from the
stout and start QC'n their gear before they ship it.

Mark Sottilaro

Kim Flint wrote:

> At 03:09 PM 9/9/2002, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
> >First, I want to thank you all for your excellent role as "Gibson
customer
> >support" and for all the good information.  Tonight I shall (once again)
> >open up my EDP and this time attempt to clean all the contacts.  I only
> >reseated the eproms, and upon finding the bent pin, I figured that was
> >obviously my problem.  When it worked after that, I thought I was done.
I
> >didn't even bother with the memory becaues the fault seemed so obvious.
>
> You might also want to recheck the rom pins too. On occasion I've bent a
> rom pin back, but didn't do it very well and left a kink in it. Then when
I
> pressed it into the socket I just bent it out all over again. It's worth
it
> to take some care and make sure the are all really in there.
>
> kim
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
> kflint@loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-delight.com

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Thanks Bret, it's probably not the stout. Could however, be the Jack
Daniels/Tequila/Single
Malt/Absinth............................................etc.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 10 September 2002 19:40
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Mark,
Glad things are starting to look better, hope the proper function
continues.
Hopefully the memory contact cleaning did the trick.  Time and testing
will tell.  If the problem repeats, it can be diagnosed and fixed.

I have 3 echoplex and have never had a boot issue with them.  1 of
these was made in 1995, another in 1996, the third I don't know.  I
installed most of the memory, as the edp used to come with only 4mb of
ram.  The ram I installed was used from old computers, so I cleaned
them before first installing.  Maybe that is a clue.

I have done electronic repair and modifications for over 35 years.  I
have been an engineer supporting high volume manufacturing of disk
drives for the past 16 years.  We build tens of millions of drives each
year, so I've seen many varities of ways that they can be built wrong,
or component problems, or handling problems that introduce malfunction.

Connectivity issues are probably the most common malfunctions I have
seen in electronics.  Poor connections happen, whether it be
contamination, oxidation, bad alignment, or wear to contacts.  I have
seen computers malfunction due to memory connectivity issues.

The stout is not the problem.
Have a pint, relax and test :-)

Keep us posted.

bret

--- sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
> Hey kids.
>
> Again, I want to say thanks for all the info and help.  I didn't know
> enough
> about the EPROM burning process to realize that it was probably not
> software.
>
> So, what I did last night was take the whole thing apart (again) and
> clean
> that baby up.  I took each EPROM and memory chip (which I had not
> previously
> touched, upon finding the bent EPROM pin... yes Kim, it was in fact
> in there
> after I fixed it) and scrubbed it all down with contact cleaner.  The
> EPROMs
> seemed fine, but I did notice a fair amount of black on the cuetip
> after
> cleaning off the memory chips.  I then put it all back together and,
> of
> course, it worked fine.  Played with it for a few hours with no
> problem and
> went to bed with a loop running and woke up with it still there.
>
> I wouldn't call this a good test, but it was barely staying booted up
> for 5
> minutes before I did the big clean.  I'm going to try and repeat this
> every
> night to make sure everything's good.
>
> I still feel this is kind of weird though.  I've got a Mac SE30 that
> still
> runs with no problems.  I also had a Mac IIX that ran for years and
> years and
> years.  In the hot humid summers and bitter cold winters of upstate
> NY.  I've
> never had to clean a contact or reseat anything, yet this seems
> common with
> the EDP.  Someone said it was because of the fact we take the EDP out
> and bang
> it around a lot more than computer gear, but I used to take the SE30
> around
> with me to gigs as a MIDI sequencer, so it often went to gigs in sub
> 0
> conditions, only to find itself in a heated enviornment moments
> later.  The
> thing still boots up.  I still use it to run the "Fish" screensaver
> in leu of
> a real fishtank.
>
> Could it be the type/brand of ram Gibson uses?  Why not clean it with
> a
> cleaner that protects it from oxididation before installing it?  My
> unit was a
> newer Gibson unit that's probably been a San Rafael CA storeage room
> most of
> it's life.  That can't be a bad climate for electronics gear.
> Moderate and
> dry all year.  I know shit happens, but something tells me that other
> forces
> are at work in this case.  We need to tell those Brits to stay away
> from the
> stout and start QC'n their gear before they ship it.
>
> Mark Sottilaro
>
> Kim Flint wrote:
>
> > At 03:09 PM 9/9/2002, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
> > >First, I want to thank you all for your excellent role as "Gibson
> customer
> > >support" and for all the good information.  Tonight I shall (once
> again)
> > >open up my EDP and this time attempt to clean all the contacts.  I
> only
> > >reseated the eproms, and upon finding the bent pin, I figured that
> was
> > >obviously my problem.  When it worked after that, I thought I was
> done.  I
> > >didn't even bother with the memory becaues the fault seemed so
> obvious.
> >
> > You might also want to recheck the rom pins too. On occasion I've
> bent a
> > rom pin back, but didn't do it very well and left a kink in it.
> Then when I
> > pressed it into the socket I just bent it out all over again. It's
> worth it
> > to take some care and make sure the are all really in there.
> >
> > kim
> >
> >
>
______________________________________________________________________
> > Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
> > kflint@loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-delight.com
>


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Thanks so much whoever sent this out.

Each of my loops HAVE GROWN 3-4 inches because of my use of this
product.    It has been a challenge learning how to play in
17 and 3/8 time signature but heck, all I"ve ever done is grow since I
bought my
first looper.

Every looper should try this product (I can't wait to see the results of
some of the women loopers with it). It has my full endorsement.


yours,   Loop.tiny.pooL



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This is extremely funny!

On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 06:35 PM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL 
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> Thanks so much whoever sent this out.
>
> Each of my loops HAVE GROWN 3-4 inches because of my use of this
> product.
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This is extremely funny!


On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 06:35 PM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL
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Thanks so much whoever sent this out.


Each of my loops HAVE GROWN 3-4 inches because of my use of this

product.

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Hi Andy,

Yes that would be nice.  I remember enjoying a pint of Hougarten on tap
with a lemon wedge while at the Holiday Inn at the Brussels Int'l
airport with my wife getting ready to make our trek home.  It is still
one of my favorite brews!

Steve

> actually prefer Belgium wheat beer for future reference). 

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> So, what I did last night was take the whole thing apart (again) and
> clean that baby up.  


> I'm going to try and repeat this every
> night to make sure everything's good.

Kind of overkill cleaning the contacts every night, don't you think?

Greg

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Wow, that's a great insight into the behind the scenes world of the EDP.  Thank
you so much.  It's so nice to get the actual story and not some bit of
marketing propaganda. (Hello Electrix!...oh wait... you're dead, right...)
Anyway, I've worked in consumer electronics repair and I know how hard it is to
chase down intermittent problems.

Andre, have you given your memory a bath?  All that LA smog can't be good for
such things.  I'm going to go home and continue testing my unit to make sure
the fix holds.

I kind of wondered how you guys were still getting that RAM.  I used to use a
stick of it as a keychain.  HA!  That worries me.  I don't know of such things,
but how hard would it be to change to a different memory configuration?  How
are you doing on that processor?  Hell, I'm still waiting for the EDP Super +
with stereo looping.  Maybe I should track down some of these SIMMs now, while
they still exist, just in case...

Thanks again,

Mark Sottilaro

Andy Ewen wrote:

> It would appear that some of the memory in the last 200 or so EDPs that
> Trace Elliot built has a problem with bad contacts.

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I meant the test run process.

Greg House wrote:

> > So, what I did last night was take the whole thing apart (again) and
> > clean that baby up.
> 
>
> > I'm going to try and repeat this every
> > night to make sure everything's good.
>
> Kind of overkill cleaning the contacts every night, don't you think?
>
> Greg
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Of course, my luck last night could not last.  A little into my first loop,
I get a crazy stutter and I had to power cycle it to make it stop.  This
time, however, I noticed that tapping the unit slightly could make it
reboot.  First I thought it was the power jack, which seems a little shaky.
This might still be a factor, but a guitar pick used as a shim seems to make
the fit nice and tight.  Still the tap would reset it.  I opened it up and
rocked the ram in it's sockets a bunch and now it seems like I can shake and
tap the edp all I want and it's fine.

Cross your fingers for me.

Mark Sottilaro

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Cross your fingers for me.

Mark Sottilaro

Fighting for the right to loop.  Hang in there, Mark--It'll be worth the
effort.  Sorry you have to go to all this trouble!
Gary

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Greetings- 

I have been experimenting with using an Alesis SR-16 to control some EDP
functions and have run into a few issues. I want to use the EDP as
master clock but prevent the drum machine from starting until I want and
have it synced. I tried different ways to make the SR16 work - even
using a midi filter- with no success. If I filtered start/stop messages
only the machine would not sync if I hit play manually. Lame.

So now I am looking for a drum machine that is compact, easy to program
for both pads and patterns, and can easily be set NOT to respond to midi
start messages but will still sync itself to the EDP.

Any suggestions appreciated.

Cliff

 

www.om-studios.com

 


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Greetings- 



I have been experimenting with using an Alesis SR-16 =
to
control some EDP functions and have run into a few issues. I want to use =
the
EDP as master clock but prevent the drum machine from starting until I =
want and
have it synced. I tried different ways to make the SR16 work – =
even using
a midi filter- with no success. If I filtered start/stop messages only =
the
machine would not sync if I hit play manually. Lame.



So now I am looking for a drum machine that is =
compact, easy
to program for both pads and patterns, and can easily be set NOT to =
respond to
midi start messages but will still sync itself to the =
EDP.



Any suggestions appreciated.



Cliff



 



www.om-studios.com



 









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Cliff
I just tried it here with loop4 and the MMT8 wich is the sequencer brother of
the sr16 (almost same midi implementation)
in Loop4 you have to set sync to OUS wich "means" sync out user start
it sends clock but no start song so you can start it manually from the sr
or with a direct midi message like Quantized start song wich will send a start
song at end of the loop

very easy

calude



> Greetings-
>
> I have been experimenting with using an Alesis SR-16 to control some EDP
> functions and have run into a few issues. I want to use the EDP as
> master clock but prevent the drum machine from starting until I want and
> have it synced. I tried different ways to make the SR16 work - even
> using a midi filter- with no success. If I filtered start/stop messages
> only the machine would not sync if I hit play manually. Lame.
>
> So now I am looking for a drum machine that is compact, easy to program
> for both pads and patterns, and can easily be set NOT to respond to midi
> start messages but will still sync itself to the EDP.
>
> Any suggestions appreciated.
>
> Cliff
>
>
>
> www.om-studios.com
>
>
>
>

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Cliff, i use two KORG electribes, they function the way you are mentioning if 
i am understanding you correctly

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[ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ]

EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday
at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.

                    Show #285                    September 5, 2002.


RECAP:
On this show, I started a month-long focus on Rudy Adrian, a New Zealander who
is visiting the US this month and will be playing at The Gathering on the 21st.
The Featured CD at midnight was "Concerts in New Zealand" on the Quantum label.

The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Gandharva" by Beaver and Krause on the
Warner Brothers label.

Rudy Adrian    http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#sep
The Gathering  http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html

PLAYLIST:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:04 pm
Beaver and Krause       Nine Moons in Alaska     Gandharva (Warner Bros.)
Bjorn Lynne             Ruins of an Alien        Colony (none)
                          Civilization
Bjorn Lynne             Mind of the Visionary    Colony (none)
Ricochet Musos          Five Sisters             Okefenokee Dreams 2001 (Neu
                                                   Harmony and Quantum)
Steve Roach and         The Calling              Trance Spirits (Projekt)
  Jeffery Fayman
Robert Rich and         First Outpost            Outpost (DiN)
  Ian Boddy
Robert Rich and         Ice Fields               Outpost (DiN)
  Ian Boddy
Ian Boddy               Vox Lumina               Aurora (DiN)
Scott Petito            Afternoon in a Cloud     Sbass Music (Hudson Valley)

12:00 am
Rudy Adrian             Eclipse               Concerts in New Zealand (Quantum)
Rudy Adrian             Between Worlds        Concerts in New Zealand (Quantum)
Rudy Adrian             Digital Star Streams  Concerts in New Zealand (Quantum)
Rudy Adrian             Journey Through       Concerts in New Zealand (Quantum)
                          Haunted Lands
Rudy Adrian             Kaleidoscopic Imagery Concerts in New Zealand (Quantum)
Rudy Adrian             Magical Sunset        Concerts in New Zealand (Quantum)
Rudy Adrian             Sterrenhemel          Concerts in New Zealand (Quantum)
Rudy Adrian             Mechanismo            Concerts in New Zealand (Quantum)
Rudy Adrian             Sfumato               Concerts in New Zealand (Quantum)
Rudy Adrian             Thinking of Klemdag * Concerts in New Zealand (Quantum)

1:00 am

 * = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)


NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Rudy Adrian to
celebrate this New Zealander's visit to the US.  The Featured CD at Midnight
will be "Starfields (Sequencer Sketches Volume 3)" on the Groove label.

The vinyl show starter will be from the soundtrack LP "Forbidden Planet" by
Louis and Bebe Barron on the MGM/Planet Records label.

Bill
===============================================================================
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space  music  show.   Thursdays  at
11  pm  on  WDIY  88.1  FM,  Allentown  and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
Phillipsburg.     http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic
Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown  91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am.
Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30.
http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm          http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow
Radio Station Web Sites:    http://wdiy.org      http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh
Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill
To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to
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SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us

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  Wow Rick!, does this mean you'll now have higher feedback levels so your
loops will sustain longer for  better more extended performance too?  lol!
-and the audience will have heightened satisfaction?!   
  Woohoo!  -my effects mix is more wet just hearing this!   lol!  -and the
insert function too!!!!   lollollol!  ooh baby!   lol!   I shudder to
think!...      I can't wait to experience your new more vital loops!
  lollollol!  Catch ya laters...

Smiles,

CQ

At 03:35 PM 9/10/02 -0700, you wrote:
>Thanks so much whoever sent this out.
>
>Each of my loops HAVE GROWN 3-4 inches because of my use of this
>product.    It has been a challenge learning how to play in
>17 and 3/8 time signature but heck, all I"ve ever done is grow since I
>bought my
>first looper.
>
>Every looper should try this product (I can't wait to see the results of
>some of the women loopers with it). It has my full endorsement.
>
>
>yours,   Loop.tiny.pooL
>
>
>
>


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Well, at this point, I'm pretty damn sure it's not oxidized memory, or poorly
seated eproms.  I've been over and over those roads.  I left a loop running all
night, it was still going this morning, but a *gentle* tap brought the house of
cards down.  Could be a bad solder joint somewhere, but why speculate?  I can't
fix it.

My EDP is broken.

So, where do I go from here?  I guess I send it somewhere and wait.  I'm
pissed, but what am I going to do?  It mainly sucks because these things become
your instrument, and when they die it's hard not to get emotional about it.
Thanks to all of you who offered me your extra EDPs, but I'm going to distance
myself from the EDP for a while and just stick with my Repeater for now.

Mark Sottilaro



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In a message dated 9/11/2002 10:15:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
thefates@earthlink.net writes:

> Wow Rick!, does this mean you'll now have higher feedback levels so your
> loops will sustain longer for  better more extended performance too? 

                                        ROFL!

                                 Warmest Regards,
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In a message dated 9/11/2002 10:15:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, thefates@earthlink.net writes:




Wow Rick!, does this mean you'll now have higher feedback levels so your

loops will sustain longer for  better more extended performance too? 




                                        ROFL!



                                 Warmest Regards,

                             John Price/  "AKASH"

                        "The World's Most Erotic Band"  

                        http://www.akashmusic.com

                      http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic 




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My condolences. I can relate.

I have a sick Boomerang. I would like to get it fixed and get the upgrade at the same time. 

I'll pay.

I've left 5 messages on their answering machine over the past 2 weeks. No call back.

Maybe they're on holiday?

If anyone knows these guys, tell them to call me.

Henry Heine

henry@bagend.com

Bag End Loudspeakers
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fax 847 382 4551
http://www.bagend.com

sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
> 
> Well, at this point, I'm pretty damn sure it's not oxidized memory, or poorly
> seated eproms.  I've been over and over those roads.  I left a loop running all
> night, it was still going this morning, but a *gentle* tap brought the house of
> cards down.  Could be a bad solder joint somewhere, but why speculate?  I can't
> fix it.
> 
> My EDP is broken.
> 
> So, where do I go from here?  I guess I send it somewhere and wait.  I'm
> pissed, but what am I going to do?  It mainly sucks because these things become
> your instrument, and when they die it's hard not to get emotional about it.
> Thanks to all of you who offered me your extra EDPs, but I'm going to distance
> myself from the EDP for a while and just stick with my Repeater for now.
> 
> Mark Sottilaro

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"It mainly sucks because these things become
your instrument"

they do very much become such an integral part of what you/i do, that when
they're gone, you're left scratching your head.  at the same time, it's a
good opportunity to take care of non-edp programming and tone shaping.

-jim


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It just changes your way of playing, you'll find new aspect of your being a
musician.
I find it very reliable and with thousands of functions.
just try it
Aldo

-----Messaggio originale-----
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A: loopers-delight@annihilist.com
Oggetto: Gibson Echoplex


    How good are the new Gibson Echolplexs? Any recommendations on where to
purchase? Alto Music had them for about $750. Also anybody familiar with the
Yamaha SU200? Is it a floor pedal?


                                Thanks, James

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i have a friend (well, imagine that) who uses the 'rang and it went on the
fritz.  well, he lives in dallas and got it repaired and upgraded by mr.
boomerang himself.  plus, he got to sit down and chit-chat with mr.
boomerang about the design and use of the unit.  i guess proximity helps.

-jim


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Hi folks,
is it possible to do a loop copy with the next loop
button stopying automatically with the exact same
lenght as the original without sacrifying musical
content? Do i explain myself?
here is an example:
record 1 loop
end with loop copy
continue to play during loop copy 2 
end with loop copy before the cycle is over
the length of 2nd loop has been copied exactly but
everything i played after the second loop copy is not
there.It is of course complicated to stop loop copy
exactly when the cycle is over and play at the same
time, thats why i am ending with loop copy before the
cycle is over
Sorry if its not clear))
louie

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     As I was working with my Repeater last night, I came upon a workaround that many people here
on the LD list have complained about... the glitch at the end/beginning of a loop, especially
noticable with a sustained sound like a drone.

     This can be gotten rid of with the "trim" function.  One tap of the trim switch puts you in
"beats" mode, the second tap puts you in "seconds" mode.  It is this second mode that you want. 
The process looks like this:

     1) Record your loop, either stopping at the end or continuing in playback mode.

     2) Hit the "trim" button twice to enter "seconds" mode.

     3) Turn the "Loop" knob two clicks to the right, trimming .02 seconds off the beginning of
the loop (or whatever amount works best for you).

     4a) One more hit of the "trim" button gets your back into the regular screen.  This trim then
can be undone.

                 OR

     4b) Hold the "trim" button for 1/2 second to enter "Trim Cut" mode.  Hitting the button one
more time confirms the cut operation and the unnecessary tip is then forever circumsized.  At this
point, even the pills that make your loops grow 3-4 inches will be of no avail.  :)  In other
words, this is destructive editing, it cannot be undone.

     All this is detailed on page 26 of the Repeater manual.

     I tried this using a microphone and singing into it, the loop has a very obvious glitch in it
every time it loops around.  The trim function almost completely erases that glitch.  The only
glitch that I could detect was from the difference in my singing voice at the beginning vs. the
end of the loop.

     Even though this is a bit of a hassle, still I can complete this operation in less than one
second.  Unfortunately, there are currently no MIDI commands to control this aspect from a
pedalboard.  To those who would complain of having to do even this, perhaps this is a small price
to pay for other benefits that would otherwise not appear on the instrument.

      Cheers,

          SVG

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Found this software looper and thought it might interest someone on the
list:
http://www.tencrazy.com/Loopitch/

No time for checking it out myself, though.

Best wishes

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Hmmm interesting.  I bet/wonder that this might be done to a blank loop, so you'd be able to create
your drone on the fly.... I will try this for sure.

Mark Sottilaro

S V G wrote:

>      As I was working with my Repeater last night, I came upon a workaround that many people here
> on the LD list have complained about... the glitch at the end/beginning of a loop, especially
> noticable with a sustained sound like a drone.
>
>      This can be gotten rid of with the "trim" function.  One tap of the trim switch puts you in
> "beats" mode, the second tap puts you in "seconds" mode.  It is this second mode that you want.
> The process looks like this:
>
>      1) Record your loop, either stopping at the end or continuing in playback mode.
>
>      2) Hit the "trim" button twice to enter "seconds" mode.
>
>      3) Turn the "Loop" knob two clicks to the right, trimming .02 seconds off the beginning of
> the loop (or whatever amount works best for you).
>
>      4a) One more hit of the "trim" button gets your back into the regular screen.  This trim then
> can be undone.
>
>                  OR
>
>      4b) Hold the "trim" button for 1/2 second to enter "Trim Cut" mode.  Hitting the button one
> more time confirms the cut operation and the unnecessary tip is then forever circumsized.  At this
> point, even the pills that make your loops grow 3-4 inches will be of no avail.  :)  In other
> words, this is destructive editing, it cannot be undone.
>
>      All this is detailed on page 26 of the Repeater manual.
>
>      I tried this using a microphone and singing into it, the loop has a very obvious glitch in it
> every time it loops around.  The trim function almost completely erases that glitch.  The only
> glitch that I could detect was from the difference in my singing voice at the beginning vs. the
> end of the loop.
>
>      Even though this is a bit of a hassle, still I can complete this operation in less than one
> second.  Unfortunately, there are currently no MIDI commands to control this aspect from a
> pedalboard.  To those who would complain of having to do even this, perhaps this is a small price
> to pay for other benefits that would otherwise not appear on the instrument.
>
>       Cheers,
>
>           SVG
>
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Mike Nelson , Mr. Boomerang , returned my calls less than an hour after I posted the request. A testament to the awesome power of this list, or prolly a coincidence.

Thanks, Mike and all.

-Henry

Henry Heine wrote:
> 
> My condolences. I can relate.
> 
> I have a sick Boomerang. I would like to get it fixed and get the upgrade at the same time.
> 
> I'll pay.
> 
> I've left 5 messages on their answering machine over the past 2 weeks. No call back.
> 
> Maybe they're on holiday?
> 
> If anyone knows these guys, tell them to call me.
> 
> Henry Heine
> 
> henry@bagend.com
> 
> Bag End Loudspeakers
> vox 847 382 4550
> fax 847 382 4551
> http://www.bagend.com
> 
> sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
> >
> > Well, at this point, I'm pretty damn sure it's not oxidized memory, or poorly
> > seated eproms.  I've been over and over those roads.  I left a loop running all
> > night, it was still going this morning, but a *gentle* tap brought the house of
> > cards down.  Could be a bad solder joint somewhere, but why speculate?  I can't
> > fix it.
> >
> > My EDP is broken.
> >
> > So, where do I go from here?  I guess I send it somewhere and wait.  I'm
> > pissed, but what am I going to do?  It mainly sucks because these things become
> > your instrument, and when they die it's hard not to get emotional about it.
> > Thanks to all of you who offered me your extra EDPs, but I'm going to distance
> > myself from the EDP for a while and just stick with my Repeater for now.
> >
> > Mark Sottilaro

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Arg, what a frustrating experience.  Does sound like a broken or poor
solder joint.  You could try tapping some suspect components with a
plastic or wooden stick (non conductive) to see if you could identify
the region of problem.  This shouldn't be too hard to diagnose and fix.
Wish you were nearby so I could help.
I would still be interested to rule out RAM all together, by removing
the existing RAM, and installing other simms.  I believe I have some I
could test and send to you gratis if you want.
So, you can either find a good technician in your locality, or send it
to the UK.  
I know it is a real disappointment to have such a cool tool, and not be
able to use it.
bret
--- sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:
> Well, at this point, I'm pretty damn sure it's not oxidized
memory,
> or poorly
> seated eproms.  I've been over and over those roads.  I left a
loop
> running all
> night, it was still going this morning, but a *gentle* tap brought
> the house of
> cards down.  Could be a bad solder joint somewhere, but why
> speculate?  I can't
> fix it.
> 
> My EDP is broken.
> 
> So, where do I go from here?  I guess I send it somewhere and
wait. 
> I'm
> pissed, but what am I going to do?  It mainly sucks because these
> things become
> your instrument, and when they die it's hard not to get emotional
> about it.
> Thanks to all of you who offered me your extra EDPs, but I'm going
to
> distance
> myself from the EDP for a while and just stick with my Repeater
for
> now.
> 
> Mark Sottilaro
> 
> 
> 


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Mark,

If you are able to figure out how this might be done on the fly, would
you mind posting the instructions?

Thanks,
Steve
 
> 
> Hmmm interesting.  I bet/wonder that this might be done to a 
> blank loop, so you'd be able to create your drone on the 
> fly.... I will try this for sure.
> 
> Mark Sottilaro
> 
> S V G wrote:
> 
> >      As I was working with my Repeater last night, I came upon a 
> > workaround that many people here on the LD list have complained 
> > about... the glitch at the end/beginning of a loop, especially 
> > noticable with a sustained sound like a drone.
> >
> >      This can be gotten rid of with the "trim" function.  
> One tap of 
> > the trim switch puts you in "beats" mode, the second tap 
> puts you in 
> > "seconds" mode.  It is this second mode that you want. The process 
> > looks like this:
> >
> >      1) Record your loop, either stopping at the end or 
> continuing in 
> > playback mode.
> >
> >      2) Hit the "trim" button twice to enter "seconds" mode.
> >
> >      3) Turn the "Loop" knob two clicks to the right, trimming .02 
> > seconds off the beginning of the loop (or whatever amount 
> works best 
> > for you).
> >
> >      4a) One more hit of the "trim" button gets your back into the 
> > regular screen.  This trim then can be undone.
> >
> >                  OR
> >
> >      4b) Hold the "trim" button for 1/2 second to enter "Trim Cut" 
> > mode.  Hitting the button one more time confirms the cut 
> operation and 
> > the unnecessary tip is then forever circumsized.  At this 
> point, even 
> > the pills that make your loops grow 3-4 inches will be of 
> no avail.  
> > :)  In other words, this is destructive editing, it cannot 
> be undone.
> >
> >      All this is detailed on page 26 of the Repeater manual.
> >
> >      I tried this using a microphone and singing into it, 
> the loop has 
> > a very obvious glitch in it every time it loops around.  The trim 
> > function almost completely erases that glitch.  The only 
> glitch that I 
> > could detect was from the difference in my singing voice at the 
> > beginning vs. the end of the loop.
> >
> >      Even though this is a bit of a hassle, still I can 
> complete this 
> > operation in less than one second.  Unfortunately, there 
> are currently 
> > no MIDI commands to control this aspect from a pedalboard.  
> To those 
> > who would complain of having to do even this, perhaps this 
> is a small 
> > price to pay for other benefits that would otherwise not 
> appear on the 
> > instrument.
> >
> >       Cheers,
> >
> >           SVG
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com
> 

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Me too.  My boomerang is fine, but I want to get the upgrade...

   Kevin

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It'd be nice if the looping device could do a trim to zero crossings like in Cool Edit Pro...

How does the EDP handle it?  Does it force the loop points to be at zero crossings, or does it do a an auto fade in/out at the ends of the loop?

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dt,

I asked this question a while back.  You may have missed it, or I may =
have missed your reply.  I searched the archives to no avail....

So...

In reference to a question about using a drum machine or pattern =
sequencer to trigger loops in the Repeater, I asked:

David,

Is this how you accomplished the quickly repeating rhythmicly precise
stutters at the beginning of 'Sunday' on 'Heathen'?  Actually, as you =
know!,
those stutters continue throughout the tune, and are delicate and =
beautiful.
I likes it.

Just thought I'd ask.

Doug

Still wondering :)

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'Heathen'?  Actually, as you know!,
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Gentlmen and women,

I have one eight second Jam Man, and two 32 second units that I have not
used in quite some time and am cleaning up my studio. Make some offers of
list please.

Also thinking of parting with my h300D/se for $1100.

Korg A3 Best reasonable offer.

Manuals, poower supplies etc are intact.

Patrick

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record a loop silently and begin playback later? Canya record a set of
loops and cycle through them in any order you want? How does it perform
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Hey loopers:

This upcoming Friday (13 September) i'm having the
world premiere of my octophonic piece, Past Andromeda.

This work utilized looping using the Oberheim Echoplex DP,
Lexicon Jamman, and Lexicon Vortex.

Past Andromeda is being presented at the First Annual Music
Beyond Performance Concert at the University of the
Pacific's Conservatory of Music in Stockton, California.

Any of you Northern California loopers have a free evening
this Friday, i'd love to get your feedback.  Here's the info:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Music Beyond Performance: Octophonic Immersion

Friday, September 13, 7:30pm.
At University of the Pacific Conservatory Recital Hall,
3601 Pacific Avenue, Stockton, California.

The program features music by:

-Frank Niehusmann (Germany)
-Gareth Loy (San Rafael, CA)
-Todor Todoroff (Belgium)
-John Young (New Zealand)
-Elsa Justel (Argentina)
-Peter Koniuto (Boston, MA)

Tickets: $6 general admission / $4 students and seniors /
Free to UOP students. Info: (209) 946-2186 (phone).
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Thanks,
-peter


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right on!  hope it does well!!!

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> 
> 
> Hey loopers:
> 
> This upcoming Friday (13 September) i'm having the
> world premiere of my octophonic piece, Past Andromeda.
> 
> This work utilized looping using the Oberheim Echoplex DP,
> Lexicon Jamman, and Lexicon Vortex.
> 
> Past Andromeda is being presented at the First Annual Music
> Beyond Performance Concert at the University of the
> Pacific's Conservatory of Music in Stockton, California.
> 
> Any of you Northern California loopers have a free evening
> this Friday, i'd love to get your feedback.  Here's the info:
> 
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Music Beyond Performance: Octophonic Immersion
> 
> Friday, September 13, 7:30pm.
> At University of the Pacific Conservatory Recital Hall,
> 3601 Pacific Avenue, Stockton, California.
> 
> The program features music by:
> 
> -Frank Niehusmann (Germany)
> -Gareth Loy (San Rafael, CA)
> -Todor Todoroff (Belgium)
> -John Young (New Zealand)
> -Elsa Justel (Argentina)
> -Peter Koniuto (Boston, MA)
> 
> Tickets: $6 general admission / $4 students and seniors /
> Free to UOP students. Info: (209) 946-2186 (phone).
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 
> Thanks,
> -peter
> 
> 
> 

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>Canya record a loop silently and begin playback later?
yep
>Canya record a set of loops and cycle through them in any order you =
want?=20
i'm pretty sure
>How does it perform plugged into the front of a tube amp?=20
good, but you'll get a volume drop if you have to set the mix at 50%.  =
you can use the edp 100% wet and have two signals (a/b box) going in the =
edp and the amp directly to compensate for the volume loss.

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>Canya record a loop =
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yep


>Canya record a set of =
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i'm pretty =
sure


>How does it perform =
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good, but you'll get a =
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I thought you could do it by recording a blank loop, trimming it, then
putting something on it, but I just tried to do that and it did not
work.  In fact, I ended up with a hole instead, which seems worse.

Mark.

"M. Steven Ginn" wrote:

> Mark,
>
> If you are able to figure out how this might be done on the fly, would
> you mind posting the instructions?
>
> Thanks,
> Steve
>
> >
> > Hmmm interesting.  I bet/wonder that this might be done to a
> > blank loop, so you'd be able to create your drone on the
> > fly.... I will try this for sure.
> >
> > Mark Sottilaro
> >
> > S V G wrote:
> >
> > >      As I was working with my Repeater last night, I came upon a
> > > workaround that many people here on the LD list have complained
> > > about... the glitch at the end/beginning of a loop, especially
> > > noticable with a sustained sound like a drone.
> > >
> > >      This can be gotten rid of with the "trim" function.
> > One tap of
> > > the trim switch puts you in "beats" mode, the second tap
> > puts you in
> > > "seconds" mode.  It is this second mode that you want. The process
> > > looks like this:
> > >
> > >      1) Record your loop, either stopping at the end or
> > continuing in
> > > playback mode.
> > >
> > >      2) Hit the "trim" button twice to enter "seconds" mode.
> > >
> > >      3) Turn the "Loop" knob two clicks to the right, trimming .02
> > > seconds off the beginning of the loop (or whatever amount
> > works best
> > > for you).
> > >
> > >      4a) One more hit of the "trim" button gets your back into the
> > > regular screen.  This trim then can be undone.
> > >
> > >                  OR
> > >
> > >      4b) Hold the "trim" button for 1/2 second to enter "Trim Cut"
> > > mode.  Hitting the button one more time confirms the cut
> > operation and
> > > the unnecessary tip is then forever circumsized.  At this
> > point, even
> > > the pills that make your loops grow 3-4 inches will be of
> > no avail.
> > > :)  In other words, this is destructive editing, it cannot
> > be undone.
> > >
> > >      All this is detailed on page 26 of the Repeater manual.
> > >
> > >      I tried this using a microphone and singing into it,
> > the loop has
> > > a very obvious glitch in it every time it loops around.  The trim
> > > function almost completely erases that glitch.  The only
> > glitch that I
> > > could detect was from the difference in my singing voice at the
> > > beginning vs. the end of the loop.
> > >
> > >      Even though this is a bit of a hassle, still I can
> > complete this
> > > operation in less than one second.  Unfortunately, there
> > are currently
> > > no MIDI commands to control this aspect from a pedalboard.
> > To those
> > > who would complain of having to do even this, perhaps this
> > is a small
> > > price to pay for other benefits that would otherwise not
> > appear on the
> > > instrument.
> > >
> > >       Cheers,
> > >
> > >           SVG
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com
> >

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Hi Andy,

SoundFNR@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > Andre's show at the Crooked Bar was great- the tight rhythmic things he
> >  did really were great- audience members were able to tap their feet to
> >  the glitch o tronic beats. Good job. Is it the new software? The new
> >  footpedal? Or simply choice?
> 
> Well I guess "the dude" is using an 8th Quantise to do that.

Does this mean I'm the Big Lebowski of LoopIV?  ;)

Actually a lot of that show was using Replace in an UNquantized manner,
but executing it rhythmically - "riding bareback," so to speak.  But
there was certainly some 8th-quantization towards the end of the set.

> That's a new thing in Loop4, intended to allow a connection
> between the far out glitchy stuff  and the more straightforward type
> of looping.

Just out of curiosity, here: am I to understand from your comment that
one of the specific ideas behind 8th-quantization was to harness the
glitch stuff into a more overly rhythmic fashion?  And am I correct in
assuming that you were the main guy who brought 8th-quant to the table?

> the footpedal just makes it all much easier

Amen!

--Andre

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     Silly boy, if you record *any* blank loop, you don't need to use the trim function. 
Additional recording over that blank loop will not have the glitch in it.  It's only that first
recording pass that has the problem.

     Unless of course your Repeater doesn't work like mine does...  :)


>  Hmmm interesting.  I bet/wonder that this might be done to a blank loop, so
>  you'd be able to create your drone on the fly.... I will try this for sure.



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No, that's not true.  Try recording a blank loop.  Then open the loop back up and slowly fade in a
drone.  You'll notice a slight bump.  Tis true.  I've been down this road before.  I rarely notice
it because of how I play, but many complain about this bug.

Mark Sottilaro

S V G wrote:

>      Silly boy, if you record *any* blank loop, you don't need to use the trim function.
> Additional recording over that blank loop will not have the glitch in it.  It's only that first
> recording pass that has the problem.

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Hey,

I always thought that MOTU's POLAR looper was an aditional program you had to purchase for Digital
Performer.  Tonight, I realized it comes with it!  Lookee lookee, a looper under my nose and I had
no idea.  Has anyone worked with it?  Is it worth the time?  Claims to be a software Repeater.
I'm eager to try it.  I'm using Digital Performer 3 with a MOTU 828.

Mark Sottilaro

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> continue to play during loop copy 2 
>  end with loop copy before the cycle is over
>  the length of 2nd loop has been copied exactly but
>  everything i played after the second loop copy is not
>  there.It is of course complicated to stop loop copy
>  exactly when the cycle is over and play at the same
>  time, thats why i am ending with loop copy before the
>  cycle is over
>  Sorry if its not clear))
>  louie

hi there Louie

easy

change the RoundMode parameter to rnd

and all should work as you like it to.

andy butler

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Thanks for the tips!


On Wednesday, September 11, 2002, at 09:55 PM, S V G wrote:

>      As I was working with my Repeater last night, I came upon a 
> workaround that many people here
> on the LD list have complained about...
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Thank you Mark! :) Someone else who suffers from the same problem as 
myself. A pure wave created by a droned harmonic on the violin is 
impossible to record on the Repeater - yet I can get away with very 
fastly bowed stacatto drones (damn, I forgot the Italian word for 
that)... without a bump.

BTW: Two and a half weeks to wait for a Behringer 1010 that was posted 
from Germany... and its still not here. I cant wait to finally be able 
to control the Repeater properly :(


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> No, that's not true.  Try recording a blank loop.  Then open the loop 
> back up and slowly fade in a
> drone.  You'll notice a slight bump.  Tis true.  I've been down this 
> road before.  I rarely notice
> it because of how I play, but many complain about this bug.
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Hi Andy,
Yes i did try round mode but it doesn´t stop
automatically instead it keeps multiplying.
I´ll give it another shot
thanx a lot
Louie






> > continue to play during loop copy 2 
> >  end with loop copy before the cycle is over
> >  the length of 2nd loop has been copied exactly
> but
> >  everything i played after the second loop copy is
> not
> >  there.It is of course complicated to stop loop
> copy
> >  exactly when the cycle is over and play at the
> same
> >  time, thats why i am ending with loop copy before
> the
> >  cycle is over
> >  Sorry if its not clear))
> >  louie
> 
> hi there Louie
> 
> easy
> 
> change the RoundMode parameter to rnd
> 
> and all should work as you like it to.
> 
> andy butler
> 


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The behringer functions great with the repeater and
the EDP for the price there is nothing better!
Too bad you have to wait last year as i was in San
Diego there were BFC1010´s all over guitar center and
none here in Germany. Now is the other way around!
Good luck
Louie






> Thank you Mark! :) Someone else who suffers from the
> same problem as 
> myself. A pure wave created by a droned harmonic on
> the violin is 
> impossible to record on the Repeater - yet I can get
> away with very 
> fastly bowed stacatto drones (damn, I forgot the
> Italian word for 
> that)... without a bump.
 Then open the loop 
> > back up and slowly fade in a
> > drone.  You'll notice a slight bump.  Tis true. 
> I've been down this 
> > road before.  I rarely notice
> > it because of how I play, but many complain about
> this bug.
> --
> Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project
> http://www.solostring.com
> stuart@solostring.com
> 


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Hi Andre,
How do you save or document your loops from the EDP?
I heard a couple on your homepage and the live ones
also sound perfect!
cheers
Louie

> 
> Actually a lot of that show was using Replace in an
> UNquantized manner,
> but executing it rhythmically - "riding bareback,"
> so to speak.  But
> there was certainly some 8th-quantization towards
> the end of the set.
> 
> > That's a new thing in Loop4, intended to allow a
> connection
> > between the far out glitchy stuff  and the more
> straightforward type
> > of looping.
> 
> Just out of curiosity, here: am I to understand from
> your comment that
> one of the specific ideas behind 8th-quantization
> was to harness the
> glitch stuff into a more overly rhythmic fashion? 
> And am I correct in
> assuming that you were the main guy who brought
> 8th-quant to the table?
> 
> > the footpedal just makes it all much easier
> 
> Amen!
> 
> --Andre
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Hi Mark,

I have used Polar a few times when trying to get that perfect take for a
difficult part of a song.  It's very helpful to use where the audio
signal is what triggers a new take each time.

Steve

> 
> 
> Hey,
> 
> I always thought that MOTU's POLAR looper was an aditional 
> program you had to purchase for Digital Performer.  Tonight, 
> I realized it comes with it!  Lookee lookee, a looper under 
> my nose and I had no idea.  Has anyone worked with it?  Is it 
> worth the time?  Claims to be a software Repeater. I'm eager 
> to try it.  I'm using Digital Performer 3 with a MOTU 828.
> 
> Mark Sottilaro
> 

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Quick Repeater question on something I can't test myself.

If you control feedback with a CC pedal, can you get different feedback
effects over the course of a loop? So, if I wanted to fade half a loop,
I could reduce feedback to say 10% during that portion?

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was curious if anyone's used the boss dr sample (202 or 303)
w/ guitar and how successful it was (or unsuccessful)?

was looking at getting an inexpensive sampler to use
w/ guitar and my setup (dod d-12).

i know a few reviews of the original sp202 mentioned
using it with guitar (plugging into mic input),
but it was just a sentance, nothing in depth of what to expect.
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I don't think that anyone would deny the loop bump thing, it's just hard
to hear in most situations.  For someone like you, it's more important.
The only time I notice it is when I'm looking for it, so I wouldn't say
that I'm suffering from it.  I didn't even find it when I was beta testing
OS 1.1, until another beta tester found it and I duplicated the problem.

Mark Sottilaro

Stuart Wyatt wrote:

> Thank you Mark! :) Someone else who suffers from the same problem as
> myself. A pure wave created by a droned harmonic on the violin is
> impossible to record on the Repeater - yet I can get away with very
> fastly bowed stacatto drones (damn, I forgot the Italian word for
> that)... without a bump.
>
> BTW: Two and a half weeks to wait for a Behringer 1010 that was posted
> from Germany... and its still not here. I cant wait to finally be able
> to control the Repeater properly :(
>
> On Thursday, September 12, 2002, at 09:35 AM, Marklar wrote:
>
> > No, that's not true.  Try recording a blank loop.  Then open the loop
> > back up and slowly fade in a
> > drone.  You'll notice a slight bump.  Tis true.  I've been down this
> > road before.  I rarely notice
> > it because of how I play, but many complain about this bug.
> --
> Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project
> http://www.solostring.com
> stuart@solostring.com

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I am proud to announce the Call for Loopers for the Boston LoopFest to be held November 23rd and 24th of 2002.  

Looping Artists of all genres and mediums are welcome to submit their contact and setup information to loopme@randomsalt.com .  Deadline for submissions is 30 September 2002.



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bickleypunk@pdq.net writes:

>In reference to a question about using a drum machine or pattern sequencer
>to trigger loops in the Repeater, I asked:
>David,
>Is this how you accomplished the quickly repeating rhythmicly precise
>stutters at the beginning of 'Sunday' on 'Heathen'?

well, it's not as rhythmically precise as it might appear..... i did the 
re-triggers, manually, using 2 faders (peavey pc1600) sending restart msgs:
fader 1) set to send 6 re-start msgs, and
fader 2) set to send 127 re-start msgs

>stutters at the beginning of 'Sunday' on 'Heathen'?  Actually, as you know!,
>those stutters continue throughout the tune, and are delicate and beautiful.
>I likes it.
thanks!
best,
dt / s-c

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i believe you can if you want it to stay at 10% dont
forget to close the loop once it has been through the
cycle
cheers
Louie









--- Greg House  wrote:
> Quick Repeater question on something I can't test
> myself.
> 
> If you control feedback with a CC pedal, can you get
> different feedback
> effects over the course of a loop? So, if I wanted
> to fade half a loop,
> I could reduce feedback to say 10% during that
> portion?
> 
> Greg
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just saw that AMS has the DOD D-12
listed for $149.95

http://www.americanmusical.com/item.asp?UID=2002091211123633&menu=&keyword=&item=DOD+D12

not the most desired looper, but the 12 seconds of delay is fun to work with...
a good budget looper...
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     Okay, I was finally able to duplicate this "glitch" issue.  It really takes a smooth drone
like sound to notice it at all.  And like Mark just reported, prerecording a loop with the trim
that I suggested, does NOT take care of the problem.  Then you can then go ahead and trim that
track too, though it starts to get to be a bit of a pain for live use.

     Interestingly enough, when working with a pure drone like from a synthesizer, I have to tweak
the trim a bit more to get it to work well.  About .05 seconds from the beginning of the loop
(turning the LOOP knob to the right) and -.04 seconds from the end of the loop (turning the TEMPO
knob to the left).  And STILL, I get a mostly seamless loop which occassionally has a slight
glitch on only SOME of the repetitions.  (!!!!!)  

     One work around to this is to record your drone in stereo (or bounce it over to a second
track) and slip the two tracks out of time with each other.  This just puts that glitch in two
different places, thus tending to mask each other (as long as you have them panned the same).  You
could even resample them onto a single track.  This has an interesting side effect of adding some
slight rhythmic fluctuations to the drone which is great in my book.  Lots of imperfections in
this baby, start making use of them.  People need to know how to work around all these
imperfections, and in so doing, create something that might never have been created otherwise.  

     Right now I'm listening to the test drone that I recorded this morning.  It's a drone of a
perfect fifth, resampled to all four tracks, then pitch shifted T2 down an octave, T3 down a
fifth, and T4 up a minor third, all in just intonation.  I've slipped each track so that the
glitch is happening in four different places and what I've created is a non static drone which
holds up to extended listening.  Then resampled all four tracks onto one, doubled that onto
another track which has been sent down an octave, resampled that again, and then duplicated that
onto another track, then slipped them apart again to mess up the subtle rhythms some more and
panned them half right and half left.  (Confused yet?)  The result is quite glorious and only took
about 5 minutes to do.  This is where the intuitive front panel of the Repeater is such a
blessing.  At all times, I'm able to keep track of where I've come from and where I want to go
next.

     Again, this is not a very easy work around to do in a live context, though really pretty
quick once you get used to working in this mode.  If all your live drones can be prerecorded onto
one track, then it becomes a moot point.  For someone like Stuart, who records live violin on the
street, he would have to set up the initial drone, reach over and execute a few button presses and
knob twirls (about one second's worth total) and then get back to playing.

     In my own live looping process, I find that once I get something going, I then have time to
go twiddle dials to tweak the sound.  Another example of creative use of artifacts is done by
setting up a four channel loop or drone as mentioned above, then taking the machine out of overdub
mode and erasing short sections from a track.  Going back and doing this to all the tracks not
only gives you a very interesting rythmical interaction between the tracks, it also introduces
artifacts in the attack of the sound when it comes back in.  This slight unpredictable nature is
one of the things that I enjoy about the Repeater, much in the same way that I enjoy analog
synthesis.

     SVG  (Stephen with way too much time on his hands this morning).



> --- I thought you could do it by recording a blank loop, trimming it, then
> putting something on it, but I just tried to do that and it did not
> work.  In fact, I ended up with a hole instead, which seems worse.
------------------
> I don't think that anyone would deny the loop bump thing, it's just hard
> to hear in most situations.  For someone like you (Stuart), it's more important.
> The only time I notice it is when I'm looking for it, so I wouldn't say
> that I'm suffering from it.  I didn't even find it when I was beta testing
> OS 1.1, until another beta tester found it and I duplicated the problem.

> Mark Sottilaro



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I'd like to find out more.

FYI I'm writing on behalf of Second Sufis, a duo I am half of. We work with
multiple digital tapeloops, using source instruments such as guitar, chapman
stick, tabla, didgeridoo, oud. udo, tibetan singing bowls, exotic horns,
etc.

Our setup time is between 90 minutes and two hours including sound check.

Contact Mike Gorman
tcwriter@secondsufis.com

I'm moving next week so my address and phone will be changing. Meanwhile you
can call my current number 860 491-3041. We're from northwest Connecticut.

Mike


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> I am proud to announce the Call for Loopers for the Boston LoopFest to be
held November 23rd and 24th of 2002.
>
> Looping Artists of all genres and mediums are welcome to submit their
contact and setup information to loopme@randomsalt.com
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>
>
>

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>  > Andre's show at the Crooked Bar was great- the tight rhythmic things he
>>   did really were great- audience members were able to tap their feet to
>>   the glitch o tronic beats. Good job. Is it the new software? The new
>>   footpedal? Or simply choice?
>
>Well I guess "the dude" is using an 8th Quantise to do that.
>That's a new thing in Loop4, intended to allow a connection
>between the far out glitchy stuff  and the more straightforward type
>of looping. Which, from your description, seems to be what is happening.
>
>which is good :-)
>
>the footpedal just makes it all much easier
>
>andy butler

I passed a very good day at Andy in Norwich last week (wow, only a week ago!).
He played us some of this stuff and it sounded really beautifull.
I understood how the FlipMode which he created is related to that.
It gives you a soft way to replace with the pedal, better for cloudy 
sequences, while 8th quant + SUSsubstitute turns into precise 
rhythmic sequences.
He used it with the ebow and I was amazed how smartly he placed a 
little chunk of the actual note into the right spot of the "sequence" 
running rather quickly behind.
Sounds very pleasent to me, neither nervous nor boring, rather alive 
and gradually changing...

yep, its a new world, looping is not just what it used to be... I 
will have to tell more about the other meetings!
-- 


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Matthias - you're back with us!!! I was beginning to wonder if you'd got
lost on the way home, and they'd only sent your bags to Brazil... :o)

Great to meet you when you were over, hope to see you again soon, my friend

peace

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> Actually a lot of that show was using Replace in an UNquantized manner,
>  but executing it rhythmically - "riding bareback," so to speak.

Yes, it's actually easier unquantised.
I was just guessing at what you might be doing.

>  But
>  there was certainly some 8th-quantization towards the end of the set.

;-)

>  
>  > That's a new thing in Loop4, intended to allow a connection
>  > between the far out glitchy stuff  and the more straightforward type
>  > of looping.
>  
>  Just out of curiosity, here: am I to understand from your comment that
>  one of the specific ideas behind 8th-quantization was to harness the
>  glitch stuff into a more overly rhythmic fashion?  And am I correct in
>  assuming that you were the main guy who brought 8th-quant to the table?

Well one chain of events is that I suggested 8th Quantise to Matthias and
he programmed it in a couple of hours.
(then came the debugging)
...but I don't know if the idea had been brought up before.

The main reason for 8th Quant was to allow a way to divide the
loop time accuratly. Something that David Torn had long been asking
for. 
I also thought about how 8th Quant could be used with Replace(+Substitute)
to produce glitchy stuff within a rhythmic framework. A bit like using
v.small loops with Quant=CYC and then using Insert, but allows you
to keep the same time sig as defined by 8th/cycle.

The way that a short press of Replace (and some other SUS functions) works
with Quantise was specifically aimed at making it very easy to replace a 
single
beat. (just one tap, then EDP waits for the quant point, and just does one 
8th/cycle, (or Cycle, or Loop depending on Quant).
..and as that idea fixed a bug , Matthias made it happen.

So 8th Quant gives you rhythmic glitchy.

Also 8th Quant makes it easier to set up a polyrhythmic relationship
to an incoming MIDI clock or brothersync.
I was particularly pleased to make a loop a fifth of the length of
the beat I had going on the other plex.


andy butler

 
 

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> Hi Andy,
>  Yes i did try round mode but it doesn=B4t stop
>  automatically instead it keeps multiplying.
>  I=B4ll give it another shot
>  thanx a lot

hi Louie

no, sorry, it won't do that for you.
But will automatically overdub till the end of the cycle for you,
so you don't lose the stuff you play.

andy   

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Okay, who's got it now?  I got a notice from bucknell.edu with the following
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>Okay, who's got it now?  I got a notice from bucknell.edu with the following
>header:

I'm getting that one too!  I ignore them nowadays, I just get too many Klezes
to believe...

     /t
-- 

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I got it too.
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> Okay, who's got it now?  I got a notice from bucknell.edu with the
following
> header:
>
> Received: from marge.bucknell.edu (marge.bucknell.edu [134.82.9.1])
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> To: spgoodman@earthlight.net
> Subject: {VIRUS?} Support frames.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
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> Bucknell University E-Mail Virus Protection Service
> -----------------------------------------------------
> The e-mail message above contained an attachment
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> message.
>
> If you need this attachment, please contact the sender to request a
> virus-free copy of the file.
>
> If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact the ISR Tech
> Desk
> at x7-7777 or at techdesk@bucknell.edu.
>
> Thank you.
> ISR Tech Desk
>
> Not having sent anything to LD for a few days, as well as done a current
> Scan, I'm at a loss.  Whasssup?
>
> Stephen P. Goodman
> EarthLight Productions
> *
> http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front - Cartoons and Illustrations!
> http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine!
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Months ago I got that shit....
clean your machine here:
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.gibe@mm.remo
val.tool.html


best
Italoop


> >Okay, who's got it now?  I got a notice from bucknell.edu with the fo
llowing
> >header:
> 
> I'm getting that one too!  I ignore them nowadays, I just get too many
 Klezes
> to believe...
> 
>      /t
> -- 
> 
> http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Sa
turday!
> http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the ca
lendar.
> 
> 

___________________________________________
Italo De Angelis
Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division
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On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:46:39 +0200, "Stuart Wyatt"
 said:
> impossible to record on the Repeater - yet I can get away with very 
> fastly bowed stacatto drones (damn, I forgot the Italian word for 
> that)... without a bump.

tremolo?


-- 
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[ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ]

EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday
at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.

                    Show #286                    September 12, 2002.


RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Rudy Adrian, a New Zealander
who is visiting the US this month and will be playing at The Gathering on the
21st.  The Featured CD at midnight was "Starfields - Sequencer Sketches Volume
3" on the Groove label.

The Vinyl Starter was from the soundtrack LP "Forbidden Planet" by Louis and
Bebe Barron on the MGM/Planet Records label.

Rudy Adrian    http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#sep
The Gathering  http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html


PLAYLIST:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:04 pm
Louis and Bebe Barron   The Monster Pursues -    Forbidden Planet (MGM/Planet)
                          Morbius is Overcome
Paul Ellis              Sacred Ordinary          Live at the Alladin (none)
Navigator               Island of Silence        Oceanic Empire (Groove)
VA [Deep-Dive-Corp.]    Relaxer                  Voodoo Roux Deux (Waveform)
Brent A. Reiland and    Quasar Planes            Wormholes (Solarwind)
  John Lyell
James Johnson           House of Mist            The Butterfly Chamber (Hypnos)
Diatonis                Clouds and Mirrors       Edge of the Dream (none)
Oophoi                  Drifting Into Blank      Athlit (Hypnos)
                          Space *

12:00 am
Rudy Adrian             Space Border Patrol      Starfields (Groove)
Rudy Adrian             Mars - the Rusted        Starfields (Groove)
                          World
Rudy Adrian             Venus - the Clouded      Starfields (Groove)
                          Sphere
Rudy Adrian             Starfields               Starfields (Groove)
Rudy Adrian             Kuiper Belt              Starfields (Groove)

1:00 am

 * = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)


NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Rudy Adrian to
celebrate this New Zealander's visit to the US.  The Featured CD at Midnight
will be "Iridescence - Sequencer Sketches Volume 2" on the Groove label.

The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Music for Amplified Keyboard
Instruments" by David Borden on the Red Music label.


Bill
===============================================================================
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space  music  show.   Thursdays  at
11  pm  on  WDIY  88.1  FM,  Allentown  and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
Phillipsburg.     http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic
Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown  91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am.
Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30.
http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm          http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow
Radio Station Web Sites:    http://wdiy.org      http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh
Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill
To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to
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SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us

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Hi friends, I'm Todd Quincy and I'm a looperholic!

First of all, I'm glad to be back. Been in and out of the room since 1998 
with various names...at last i have a dedicated mailbox for all this great 
info. I'm very proud of this group and its growth. 12 months ago I lost my 
job In the MI indusry and left the room and looping to regroup. 

Here's my question. Why when I press record on my plex the recorded loop 
contains a high level of hiss..even if it's not connected to any input 
source...I run my looper through a AUX on my Mackie.. I've tried every 
combination of input/output levels - and still get this hiss ---anyone else. 
As I layer more loops to the first the Hiss goes away  (or is covered up)

What happen to the Repeater?

todd

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Please do Look for & download for - Free - 5 - AKASH - Web Videos in the 
"FILES" Section of our akashnewsgroup & also see new free pics in the 
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/akashmusicnewsgroup/

Warmest Regards,
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/akashmusicnewsgroup/



Warmest Regards,

John Price "AKASH"

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>> impossible to record on the Repeater - yet I can get away with very
>> fastly bowed stacatto drones (damn, I forgot the Italian word for
>> that)... without a bump.
>
> tremolo?

Thank you :)

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I thought some members of the list might enjoy this site, it is an
online exhibit 
by the San Francisco Museum of Art about Early Network Music Bands:
http://www.sfmoma.org/crossfade/
 
Very well done!
 
enjoy,
Kevin
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I thought some members of the list might enjoy this site, it is =
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Hi Todd,

Welcome back!  One of my EDPs (a new one) has what sounds like the exact 
same problem.  Do you notice that it changes pitch each time you record a 
new loop?

-Hans


At 07:54 13/09/2002, you wrote:
>Hi friends, I'm Todd Quincy and I'm a looperholic!
>
>First of all, I'm glad to be back. Been in and out of the room since 1998
>with various names...at last i have a dedicated mailbox for all this great
>info. I'm very proud of this group and its growth. 12 months ago I lost my
>job In the MI indusry and left the room and looping to regroup.
>
>Here's my question. Why when I press record on my plex the recorded loop
>contains a high level of hiss..even if it's not connected to any input
>source...I run my looper through a AUX on my Mackie.. I've tried every
>combination of input/output levels - and still get this hiss ---anyone else.
>As I layer more loops to the first the Hiss goes away  (or is covered up)
>
>What happen to the Repeater?
>
>todd


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>might be of interest.....no minimum order which is nice.....michael 
>Click here: Mixonic CD 
>Duplication Services

I was looking into them before.  Exactly how do they print on the CD??!

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might be of
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I was looking into them before.  Exactly how do they print
on the CD??!





    /t


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looping looping looping looping looping
as always looping on Saturday looping afternoons
looping between 4pm and 8pm, looping (of course, as always).

open loop is live looping of live and electronic
instruments, looped love live with instruments
looping and repeating and looping and voices
and guitars and laptops and sequencers and
instruments and looping of live music sound
looping music.

NEW:  instant CDs of the performances.
rare collector's editions as you wait!

    open loop is every Saturday afternoon from 4pm to 8pm
    at Chama, 332 east 4th street, between c & d,
    New York City.  http://loopNY.com, $2 suggested donation.

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CD Printer.  These are becoming quite cheap (except for the ink, of course).  Primera makes some good ones.

   Kevin

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>>might be of interest.....no minimum order which is nice.....michael 
>>Click here: Mixonic CD 
>>Duplication Services
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>I was looking into them before.  Exactly how do they print on the CD??!
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O list,

Warr guitar and JamMan freak of nature Brian Kenney Fresno is back in
Los Angeles this weekend for some gigs... the info below is forwarded
from his own inimitably-worded mailing list.  His show is one of the
most riotously entertaining I've ever seen, and I highly recommend
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howdy everbuddy!
just got back from a spectastic swing threw the pasific northwest- the axis
of evil tour 2002- phase 2 (devil's gotcher nose!), and it was waay two fun!
www.bonghitrecords.com

yup!
it's true, and i'm a headin back down their- 1st since my long ass absense!
i hope all y'alls can make it out to 4 or 5 of these shows- your attendants
is vital!
hear it is:

fri sept 13th mr t's bowlorama 5621 1/2 N. Figueroa Silverlake, CA (323)
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sat sept 14th 3:pm- LONG BEACH STREET FAIR

sat sept 14th 9:30 pm -CIA-11334 burbank blvd
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sun sept 15th 9:15 pm Dragonfly 6510 Santa Monica Blvd
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this show is a big extraveganza for "Breech", the band's cd relaese, and
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plaese let me no how your doing!
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Hans (ernie ball Hans?)

Yes it will shift in pitch. Perhaps the solution  is a balancing act of 
levels, but  I have had no such luck finding this balance...Another curious 
thought - assuming you change your sound or even instrument often has anyone 
been able to keep the levels of their EDP and AUX level controls the same for 
more than 1 week. I am always tinkering to combat distortion, or hiss, or 
wet/dry mix level....man, I just want to play! 

Todd (Davitt & Hanser Todd)

One of my EDPs (a new one) has what sounds like the exact 
same problem.  Do you notice that it changes pitch each time you record a 
new loop?

-Hans

Why when I press record on my plex the recorded loop
>contains a high level of hiss..even if it's not connected to any input
>source...I run my looper through a AUX on my Mackie.. I've tried every
>combination of input/output levels - and still get this hiss ---anyone else.
>As I layer more loops to the first the Hiss goes away  (or is covered up)
>todd




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>Hi folks,
>is it possible to do a loop copy with the next loop
>button stopying automatically with the exact same
>lenght as the original without sacrifying musical
>content? Do i explain myself?
>here is an example:
>record 1 loop
>end with loop copy
>continue to play during loop copy 2
>end with loop copy before the cycle is over
>the length of 2nd loop has been copied exactly but
>everything i played after the second loop copy is not
>there.It is of course complicated to stop loop copy
>exactly when the cycle is over and play at the same
>time, thats why i am ending with loop copy before the
>cycle is over
>Sorry if its not clear))
>louie

I wonder what you are looking for. LoopCopy is rather a parameter 
than a function...
Do you end the first record with Next with LoopCopy is set to snd?
Or do you use Next-Overdub which in Loop4 does a simple copy if the 
next loop is empty. This function should stop automatically and may 
be the one you need.

Then again the problem with stoping precisely can be solved with rnd 
as Andy said, but you say:
>   Yes i did try round mode but it doesn=B4t stop
>   automatically instead it keeps multiplying.
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>Matthias - you're back with us!!! I was beginning to wonder if you'd got
>lost on the way home, and they'd only sent your bags to Brazil... :o)
>
>Great to meet you when you were over, hope to see you again soon, my friend
>
>peace
>
>Steve
>www.steve-lawson.co.uk

Yes, I arrived with all bags and no problem. I had some minor battles 
against tropical effects in the house, but I am catching up.
Pinaple are very good now and down to 30p and the beach was packed on Sunday...

A pitty we could not play, I think it would work. I keep listening to 
your CDs... just wonderfull... was great to see you play, so smooth, 
one with the instrument...

I loved the talk about education and purpose of music, too, something 
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Andre:
>  >  Just out of curiosity, here: am I to understand from your comment that
>>   one of the specific ideas behind 8th-quantization was to harness the
>>   glitch stuff into a more overly rhythmic fashion?  And am I correct in
>  >  assuming that you were the main guy who brought 8th-quant to the table?

Andy:
>Well one chain of events is that I suggested 8th Quantise to Matthias and
>he programmed it in a couple of hours.
>(then came the debugging)
>...but I don't know if the idea had been brought up before.

Probably the idea was arround and you had the convincing application for it.

>The main reason for 8th Quant was to allow a way to divide the
>loop time accuratly. Something that David Torn had long been asking
>for.

right, but its not quite what he wanted... do you use it, David?


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At 13:27 13/09/2002, you wrote:
>Hans (ernie ball Hans?)

Yeah, that's me.

>Yes it will shift in pitch. Perhaps the solution  is a balancing act of
>levels, but  I have had no such luck finding this balance...Another curious
>thought - assuming you change your sound or even instrument often has anyone
>been able to keep the levels of their EDP and AUX level controls the same for
>more than 1 week. I am always tinkering to combat distortion, or hiss, or
>wet/dry mix level....man, I just want to play!

I'm pretty sure I've got my levels set right, but it still does it.  You 
can hear the noise pretty clearly in the left channel when the EDP kicks in 
on "Total Immersion" at http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/armatronix/ and 
also at the very end when I'm hitting replace.

It does basically disappear into the background after the loop gets built 
up enough, however.  I just don't trust my other EDP enough to send it in 
(it's had problems of its own), but I have spoken to Shane about it and 
he's willing to take a look.

I don't find that the levels of the EDP change so much as the knobs just 
tend to migrate during transit.  Somewhere on my list of projects is to try 
to find replacement trim pots for the input level that I can set and 
forget.  It sucks when there's no time for a sound check and you just have 
to pray that everything's right.

>Todd (Davitt & Hanser Todd)

Ah yes... How are those OLP instruments selling?  I don't get to hear much 
marketing-talk back in the engineering office.

-Hans


>One of my EDPs (a new one) has what sounds like the exact
>same problem.  Do you notice that it changes pitch each time you record a
>new loop?
>
>-Hans
>
>Why when I press record on my plex the recorded loop
> >contains a high level of hiss..even if it's not connected to any input
> >source...I run my looper through a AUX on my Mackie.. I've tried every
> >combination of input/output levels - and still get this hiss ---anyone else.
> >As I layer more loops to the first the Hiss goes away  (or is covered up)
> >todd
>
>
>
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Hi Louie,

Louie Angulo wrote:

> How do you save or document your loops from the EDP?

The LoopIV recordings from this past summer were done by taking a DI out
of my guitar amp into a portable DAT machine, and then transfering the
recordings into the computer for some EQing and minor mastering (some
limiting and the odd fade-in or fade-out).  The glitchier stuff from
December of last year was recorded direct into the computer (Logic
Audio), with no amp in sight, which is one reason why that material has
a "cleaner" sound to it.

Thanks for listening!

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Hi there,

FYI, Dotcom downsize is forcing me to dump some petals :(


Marshall Guv'nor			$90

Ibanez BCL- Bi-mode chorus 	$ 50

Boss CS3 w/ ACA adapter		$ 40

Ibanez DML20 Modulation Delay III (1024 ms)	 $150

Please contact me directly at: tarbit@hotmail.com


Thanks
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Hi-

I am interested in the DML20- is $150 the lowest you will go? I am in L.A-
where are you located? Thanks!
Cliff

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> Hi there,
>
> FYI, Dotcom downsize is forcing me to dump some petals :(
>
>
> Marshall Guv'nor $90
>
> Ibanez BCL- Bi-mode chorus $ 50
>
> Boss CS3 w/ ACA adapter $ 40
>
> Ibanez DML20 Modulation Delay III (1024 ms) $150
>
> Please contact me directly at: tarbit@hotmail.com
>
>
> Thanks
> LOU
>
>
>
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Argh- hate it when I do that- sorry.
c

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> Hi-
>
> I am interested in the DML20- is $150 the lowest you will go? I am in L.A-
> where are you located? Thanks!
> Cliff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Louis Rossi" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 5:58 PM
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>
>
> > Hi there,
> >
> > FYI, Dotcom downsize is forcing me to dump some petals :(
> >
> >
> > Marshall Guv'nor $90
> >
> > Ibanez BCL- Bi-mode chorus $ 50
> >
> > Boss CS3 w/ ACA adapter $ 40
> >
> > Ibanez DML20 Modulation Delay III (1024 ms) $150
> >
> > Please contact me directly at: tarbit@hotmail.com
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> > LOU
> >
> >
> >
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Hmmmm ... This does look interesting, but I notice they don't do
inserts.  Does anyone know where one can get small runs *with* inserts
done reasonably?

Thanks,
Elby


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> might be of interest.....no minimum order which is nice.....michael
> Click here: Mixonic CD Duplication Services

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http://www.shortrunmusic.com

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> Hmmmm ... This does look interesting, but I notice they don't do
> inserts.  Does anyone know where one can get small runs *with* inserts
> done reasonably?
> 
> Thanks,
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> >
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Thanks Andre you are really doing some wonderful
futuristic stuff there!
I am curious to know what amp you are using and if you
could recomend a DAt i´´m going to start shopping
around for this things.I am tired of unplugging the
output of my guitar input  into the comp. and getting
huming noises.I must admit that Electrix Pro did a
great job on that department.
That would be the EDP ultimate dream; stereo,loop
storing wav. tranferable,digital in and out,phono in
and perhaps a cool 2 tone deep water blue green color?
maybe someday...
Thanks for the tip!
take care
Louie





> Hi Louie,
> 
> Louie Angulo wrote:
> 
> > How do you save or document your loops from the
> EDP?
> 
> The LoopIV recordings from this past summer were
> done by taking a DI out
> of my guitar amp into a portable DAT machine, and
> then transfering the
> recordings into the computer for some EQing and
> minor mastering (some
> limiting and the odd fade-in or fade-out).  The
> glitchier stuff from
> December of last year was recorded direct into the
> computer (Logic
> Audio), with no amp in sight, which is one reason
> why that material has
> a "cleaner" sound to it.
> 
> Thanks for listening!
> 
> --Andre LaFosse
> The Echoplex Analysis Pages:
> http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP
> 


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Hi Matthias,
Sorry, what i mean is ending the loop copy with "next
loop".Since i have auto record on it jumps
automatically to the next loop and copies the content
of the previous one. Once i am in the second loop i
press next loop before is over to give me some time to
finish my arrangement.Since it will be jumping to the
3rd loop i want loop 2 to end with the exact same
lengt as loop one automatically before it jumps to 3.
I would like it to stop automatically so i could
concentrate more on my playing with the least amount
of button pushing.
I´ll give rnd mode another shot
I hope i am clear:-)
thanx
Lou




> >Hi folks,
> >is it possible to do a loop copy with the next loop
> >button stopying automatically with the exact same
> >lenght as the original without sacrifying musical
> >content? Do i explain myself?
> >here is an example:
> >record 1 loop
> >end with loop copy
> >continue to play during loop copy 2
> >end with loop copy before the cycle is over
> >the length of 2nd loop has been copied exactly but
> >everything i played after the second loop copy is
> not
> >there.It is of course complicated to stop loop copy
> >exactly when the cycle is over and play at the same
> >time, thats why i am ending with loop copy before
> the
> >cycle is over
> >Sorry if its not clear))
> >louie
> 
> I wonder what you are looking for. LoopCopy is
> rather a parameter 
> than a function...
> Do you end the first record with Next with LoopCopy
> is set to snd?
> Or do you use Next-Overdub which in Loop4 does a
> simple copy if the 
> next loop is empty. This function should stop
> automatically and may 
> be the one you need.
> 
> Then again the problem with stoping precisely can be
> solved with rnd 
> as Andy said, but you say:
> >   Yes i did try round mode but it doesn=B4t stop
> >   automatically instead it keeps multiplying.
> why would you need it to stop automatically?
> -- 
> 
> 
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> 


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Isn't that the Repeater?

Louie Angulo wrote:

> That would be the EDP ultimate dream; stereo,loop
> storing wav. tranferable,digital in and out,phono in
> and perhaps a cool 2 tone deep water blue green color?
> maybe someday...

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> I don't find that the levels of the EDP change so much as the knobs just 
>  tend to migrate during transit.  Somewhere on my list of projects is to 
try 
>  to find replacement trim pots for the input level that I can set and 
>  forget.  It sucks when there's no time for a sound check and you just have 
>  to pray that everything's right.

I've always got round that problem by marking the front panel
with a chinagraph pencil. 

andy butler

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That´s the repeater yes indeed but not the EDP
cheers
Lou



> Isn't that the Repeater?
> 
> Louie Angulo wrote:
> 
> > That would be the EDP ultimate dream; stereo,loop
> > storing wav. tranferable,digital in and out,phono
> in
> > and perhaps a cool 2 tone deep water blue green
> color?
> > maybe someday...
> 


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Oh and by the way (i forgot) high levels of Guitar
gain tolerance!
something both units lack
you could pick the color though













> 
> 
> 
> > Isn't that the Repeater?
> > 
> > Louie Angulo wrote:
> > 
> > > That would be the EDP ultimate dream;
> stereo,loop
> > > storing wav. tranferable,digital in and
> out,phono
> > in
> > > and perhaps a cool 2 tone deep water blue green
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At 09:11 PM 9/13/2002, Louie Angulo wrote:

>Thanks Andre you are really doing some wonderful
>futuristic stuff there!

I agree!

>That would be the EDP ultimate dream; stereo,loop
>storing wav. tranferable,digital in and out,phono in
>and perhaps a cool 2 tone deep water blue green color?
>maybe someday...

The "storing" part and the "transferable" part always seem like 
nice-to-have features. It would be a nice little check box to have there on 
the EDP brochure - You can save your loops and easily transfer them to PC! 
And yet, I increasingly don't find these features as things I have much 
need for. I'm not even sure how I would use them.

Listen to what Andre does, or what Matthias does, or what a lot of people 
do now with looping, and the real music is not in some singular "loop". 
These guys are constantly manipulating the loops, creating, evolving, 
deconstructing them, playing against them. Doing it live! The music is more 
about the process of interacting with the loops in various ways. Working 
with the repetitive elements, playing against them, changing them, keeping 
some elements repeating while fading or destroying others.

So what is the "loop" then? If you are going to save something that is a 
constant evolution, what do you save? If you are going to transfer it to 
the PC, do you transfer the thing left repeating at the end, or do you 
record the whole process? I think it's the latter. You do what Andre does, 
you plug a recording device in, press Record at the beginning, and Stop an 
hour later...

The lack of a saving capability in the EDP is a limitation, but at the same 
time I found it oddly liberating after a while. I used to hate it when I 
had created a really cool loop and then had to destroy it later. It seems 
really negative at first. But after a while this create-and-destroy process 
caused me to realize that if I created something good once I could create 
something good again. A feeling of confidence grew out of that - I could 
rely on myself rather than a hard disk. From an improvising standpoint it 
was a great learning experience. It's certainly not a concept you can 
easily market, yet I'm glad to have had it....

Lately I've been re-listening to a lot of old 90's industrial music that I 
loved back in it's time. Even filling out my collections of various bands 
to get all the stuff I missed back when I couldn't afford more than the 
occasional cd. Godflesh, Meat Beat Manifesto, Puppy, Ministry, FLA, etc. It 
is really interesting to hear some of these bands develop over time to 
their greatest moments. Much of what makes industrial music work is the 
thudding aggressive repetition of the loops. But oftentimes that's where it 
failed too. Some of it just goes nowhere with that.

For example today I listened to various Meat Beat albums. Early MBM just 
seems too repetitive and one-dimensional compared to their later albums. It 
has some moments, but overall it feels restricted by the sameness of the 
repetition. Whereas later albums really developed an ability to work with 
the repetitive elements more. Some things change while others don't, some 
elements mutate over time, some elements drop out and come back later. 
There's more song structure, and more depth. Did Jack just get better? or 
have better tools available? I don't know. Going from Storm the Studio to 
Satyricon to Actual Sounds and Voices it was really obvious, the music gets 
much more interesting for me. Yet even so, there is still a chunky feeling. 
"Ok, let's turn this chunk on!" "Now mute this chunk and sing over it". 
"Now let's fade in this other chunk and play a short wave radio 
sample!"  It feels very constructed. Don't get me wrong, it's brilliant, I 
can listen to it all day (and I did....)  but they never quite get the 
in-the-moment live feeling, and sometimes I really miss the energy of that.

And maybe that's the point of where I'm going with this. I enjoy listening 
to people like Andre, (or so many others here) because there's something 
alive about it. It's loops and repetition that I always like, but it's 
spontaneous and live and on the edge at the same time. Not the stiffly 
constructed loop music of the 90's. It never feels like, "well I recorded 
this loop 9 months ago, and I have to use it somewhere, so how about here!" 
boooorrrring. You can only do so much with an amen break, a tb-303, an old 
metal guitar loop, and samples from blade runner and a porno, and it was 
already done better than you're going to do it anyway. I think it's time to 
move on from that. play live!

kim



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> Från: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com]
//////.....
> already done better than you're going to do it anyway. I 
> think it's time to 
> move on from that. play live!
> 
> kim


Well put. Nice post, all of it ;-)

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excellent I agree 100 %

another way of storing or recalling is the DAW

If you consider that every midi or footcontroler command can be recorded by your
computer
at the same time you record the seperate audio streams, you finish the
improvised song with all the elements recorded and ready for further fine tuning
(the playing, the looping, the midi commands, etc each on its track )
then sit back and play back the song  again  thru your system all automated

Claude




KIM
> The "storing" part and the "transferable" part always seem like
> nice-to-have features. It would be a nice little check box to have there on
> the EDP brochure - You can save your loops and easily transfer them to PC!
> And yet, I increasingly don't find these features as things I have much
> need for. I'm not even sure how I would use them.
>
> Listen to what Andre does, or what Matthias does, or what a lot of people
> do now with looping, and the real music is not in some singular "loop".
> These guys are constantly manipulating the loops, creating, evolving,
> deconstructing them, playing against them. Doing it live! The music is more
> about the process of interacting with the loops in various ways. Working
> with the repetitive elements, playing against them, changing them, keeping
> some elements repeating while fading or destroying others.
>
> So what is the "loop" then? If you are going to save something that is a
> constant evolution, what do you save? If you are going to transfer it to
> the PC, do you transfer the thing left repeating at the end, or do you
> record the whole process? I think it's the latter. You do what Andre does,
> you plug a recording device in, press Record at the beginning, and Stop an
> hour later...
>
> The lack of a saving capability in the EDP is a limitation, but at the same
> time I found it oddly liberating after a while. I used to hate it when I
> had created a really cool loop and then had to destroy it later. It seems
> really negative at first. But after a while this create-and-destroy process
> caused me to realize that if I created something good once I could create
> something good again. A feeling of confidence grew out of that - I could
> rely on myself rather than a hard disk. From an improvising standpoint it
> was a great learning experience. It's certainly not a concept you can
> easily market, yet I'm glad to have had it....
>
> Lately I've been re-listening to a lot of old 90's industrial music that I
> loved back in it's time. Even filling out my collections of various bands
> to get all the stuff I missed back when I couldn't afford more than the
> occasional cd. Godflesh, Meat Beat Manifesto, Puppy, Ministry, FLA, etc. It
> is really interesting to hear some of these bands develop over time to
> their greatest moments. Much of what makes industrial music work is the
> thudding aggressive repetition of the loops. But oftentimes that's where it
> failed too. Some of it just goes nowhere with that.
>
> For example today I listened to various Meat Beat albums. Early MBM just
> seems too repetitive and one-dimensional compared to their later albums. It
> has some moments, but overall it feels restricted by the sameness of the
> repetition. Whereas later albums really developed an ability to work with
> the repetitive elements more. Some things change while others don't, some
> elements mutate over time, some elements drop out and come back later.
> There's more song structure, and more depth. Did Jack just get better? or
> have better tools available? I don't know. Going from Storm the Studio to
> Satyricon to Actual Sounds and Voices it was really obvious, the music gets
> much more interesting for me. Yet even so, there is still a chunky feeling.
> "Ok, let's turn this chunk on!" "Now mute this chunk and sing over it".
> "Now let's fade in this other chunk and play a short wave radio
> sample!"  It feels very constructed. Don't get me wrong, it's brilliant, I
> can listen to it all day (and I did....)  but they never quite get the
> in-the-moment live feeling, and sometimes I really miss the energy of that.
>
> And maybe that's the point of where I'm going with this. I enjoy listening
> to people like Andre, (or so many others here) because there's something
> alive about it. It's loops and repetition that I always like, but it's
> spontaneous and live and on the edge at the same time. Not the stiffly
> constructed loop music of the 90's. It never feels like, "well I recorded
> this loop 9 months ago, and I have to use it somewhere, so how about here!"
> boooorrrring. You can only do so much with an amen break, a tb-303, an old
> metal guitar loop, and samples from blade runner and a porno, and it was
> already done better than you're going to do it anyway. I think it's time to
> move on from that. play live!
>
> kim
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
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> The "storing" part and the "transferable" part always seem like
> nice-to-have features. It would be a nice little check box to have there
on
> the EDP brochure - You can save your loops and easily transfer them to PC!
> And yet, I increasingly don't find these features as things I have much
> need for. I'm not even sure how I would use them.

I have to say that at the moment I'd have no need of those features in an
EDP. I guess that for me was the biggest different between the EDP and the
Repeater - EDP is ostensibly a looper/mangler, Repeater seemed to be a
versatile real time sampler... valid distinction? probably not... :o)

As for saving loops, I'm far more interested in saving music, and as Kim so
eloquently said, the music isn't in the loop, just it features the loop...

Right now, I want a couple more EDPs... :o)

BTW - my tour opening for the 21st Century Schizoid Band round the UK starts
tomorrow - if you can get to any of the gigs (Wavendon, Wolverhampton,
Cambridge, Newcastle, Edinburgh, Croydon and London QEH), please come and
say hi after or during the break... dates are on my site, but they're all in
the next 16 days (and I've got three other gigs coming up - two at the
London Guitar Festival, and one in Perth, Scotland...)  Much looping will
take place at all gigs... :o)

cheers

Steve
www.steve-lawson.co.uk


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Very good point,nevertheless i am interested in
documenting the state of mind i am in when i play
because that´s what music represents.Storing your
compositions whether loops or music is more
interesting than a diary i would say :o)
cheers
Lou




 
> >Thanks Andre you are really doing some wonderful
> >futuristic stuff there!
> 
> I agree!
> 
> >That would be the EDP ultimate dream; stereo,loop
> >storing wav. tranferable,digital in and out,phono
> in
> >and perhaps a cool 2 tone deep water blue green
> color?
> >maybe someday...
> 
> The "storing" part and the "transferable" part
> always seem like 
> nice-to-have features. It would be a nice little
> check box to have there on 
> the EDP brochure - You can save your loops and
> easily transfer them to PC! 
> And yet, I increasingly don't find these features as
> things I have much 
> need for. I'm not even sure how I would use them.
> 
> Listen to what Andre does, or what Matthias does, or
> what a lot of people 
> do now with looping, and the real music is not in
> some singular "loop". 
> These guys are constantly manipulating the loops,
> creating, evolving, 
> deconstructing them, playing against them. Doing it
> live! The music is more 
> about the process of interacting with the loops in
> various ways. Working 
> with the repetitive elements, playing against them,
> changing them, keeping 
> some elements repeating while fading or destroying
> others.
> 
> So what is the "loop" then? If you are going to save
> something that is a 
> constant evolution, what do you save? If you are
> going to transfer it to 
> the PC, do you transfer the thing left repeating at
> the end, or do you 
> record the whole process? I think it's the latter.
> You do what Andre does, 
> you plug a recording device in, press Record at the
> beginning, and Stop an 
> hour later...
> 
> The lack of a saving capability in the EDP is a
> limitation, but at the same 
> time I found it oddly liberating after a while. I
> used to hate it when I 
> had created a really cool loop and then had to
> destroy it later. It seems 
> really negative at first. But after a while this
> create-and-destroy process 
> caused me to realize that if I created something
> good once I could create 
> something good again. A feeling of confidence grew
> out of that - I could 
> rely on myself rather than a hard disk. From an
> improvising standpoint it 
> was a great learning experience. It's certainly not
> a concept you can 
> easily market, yet I'm glad to have had it....
> 
> Lately I've been re-listening to a lot of old 90's
> industrial music that I 
> loved back in it's time. Even filling out my
> collections of various bands 
> to get all the stuff I missed back when I couldn't
> afford more than the 
> occasional cd. Godflesh, Meat Beat Manifesto, Puppy,
> Ministry, FLA, etc. It 
> is really interesting to hear some of these bands
> develop over time to 
> their greatest moments. Much of what makes
> industrial music work is the 
> thudding aggressive repetition of the loops. But
> oftentimes that's where it 
> failed too. Some of it just goes nowhere with that.
> 
> For example today I listened to various Meat Beat
> albums. Early MBM just 
> seems too repetitive and one-dimensional compared to
> their later albums. It 
> has some moments, but overall it feels restricted by
> the sameness of the 
> repetition. Whereas later albums really developed an
> ability to work with 
> the repetitive elements more. Some things change
> while others don't, some 
> elements mutate over time, some elements drop out
> and come back later. 
> There's more song structure, and more depth. Did
> Jack just get better? or 
> have better tools available? I don't know. Going
> from Storm the Studio to 
> Satyricon to Actual Sounds and Voices it was really
> obvious, the music gets 
> much more interesting for me. Yet even so, there is
> still a chunky feeling. 
> "Ok, let's turn this chunk on!" "Now mute this chunk
> and sing over it". 
> "Now let's fade in this other chunk and play a short
> wave radio 
> sample!"  It feels very constructed. Don't get me
> wrong, it's brilliant, I 
> can listen to it all day (and I did....)  but they
> never quite get the 
> in-the-moment live feeling, and sometimes I really
> miss the energy of that.
> 
> And maybe that's the point of where I'm going with
> this. I enjoy listening 
> to people like Andre, (or so many others here)
> because there's something 
> alive about it. It's loops and repetition that I
> always like, but it's 
> spontaneous and live and on the edge at the same
> time. Not the stiffly 
> constructed loop music of the 90's. It never feels
> like, "well I recorded 
> this loop 9 months ago, and I have to use it
> somewhere, so how about here!" 
> boooorrrring. You can only do so much with an amen
> break, a tb-303, an old 
> metal guitar loop, and samples from blade runner and
> a porno, and it was 
> already done better than you're going to do it
> anyway. I think it's time to 
> move on from that. play live!
> 
> kim
> 
> 
> 
>
______________________________________________________________________
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> kflint@loopers-delight.com    |
> http://www.loopers-delight.com
> 


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Thanks Matthias it worked.I don´t think there is
anything Loop IV can´t do 
great job!
P.s.(increasing the gain stage further for guitar
abuse would be nice in though. Digital clipping noise
is really crucifying for the human ear!)
Lou






--- Matthias Grob  wrote:
>> 
> Then again the problem with stoping precisely can be
> solved with rnd 
> as Andy said, but you say:
> >   Yes i did try round mode but it doesn=B4t stop
> >   automatically instead it keeps multiplying.
> why would you need it to stop automatically?
> -- 
> 
> 
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If anyone's interested, I have a Kaos Pad for sale.  It's in good condition
(less than 2 years old, works perfectly) and I'm asking $130 plus shipping.
It's the KP-1.

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In a message dated 9/14/02 4:45:20 AM, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes:

[Steve quoting Kim]

>> The "storing" part and the "transferable" part always seem like nice-
>> to-have features. It would be a nice little check box to have there on
>> the EDP brochure - You can save your loops and easily transfer them 
>> to PC!

[Steve's comment]

>I have to say that at the moment I'd have no need of those features in
>an EDP. I guess that for me was the biggest different between the EDP 
>and the Repeater - EDP is ostensibly a looper/mangler, Repeater seemed 
>to be a versatile real time sampler...valid distinction? probably not... :o)

I sort of agree with some of the above. But one of the things that is VERY 
"nice" about saving loops to reuse later is capturing the "How the hell 
did I do that? Gee, I wish I could save it." sort of event. The reuse
may or may not involve performance directly. It may be educational --
to disect the loop and determine what the heck is really going on in 
it -- finding out how and why it works. 

But, there are plenty of "work arounds" for this -- the most obvious being 
simply recording everything you do (not always possible). Beyond the use 
of my guitar and EDPs, my own practice of looping these days (actually 
for a long time now) does involve recording a whole lot of stuff on my Mac
quite a bit of the time -- and using the computer to save, edit/mangle it to 
death and a sampler to loop it later in performance (along with the EDP 
stuff).

When the Repeater came out I was really tempted . . . stereo, time-stretch,
file saving and more. But I opted to get a better, more compact phrase 
sampler (than my old Akai S-20) instead. An SP-303 saves to smart media 
and is a simple, bare-bones unit for adding that "save and play later" 
feature 
to my EDP setup. Plus, it does a little slicing and dicing of it's own and is
about the size of an average textbook.

I agree with Steve that the Repeater has a lot of "sampler" characteristics 
rolled into it's looper feature set. I guess that was what I eventually 
figured 
out and made my decision NOT to purchase one. Though I did actually talk 
Dr. Bob (my drummer at Loopstock in SLO) into getting one as his first 
hardware looper. He seems to be enjoying it too.

BTW -- those little, dinky phrase samplers that are out today are a vast
improvement on the days when I had to haul a couple of old Roland 
keyboard samplers around to gigs -- in addition to my guitar, rack, pedals
and cabs. I may be an almost semi-okay guitar picker but I am a miserable 
keyboardist. Put something as big as a keyboard (or 2) on stage with you 
and folks actually expect you to PLAY it. When it appears that you don't
really (and only diddle with a few keys every once in a while) they are 
often pretty darned disappointed. Oh well.

Looping along . . . 

Ted Killian

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I somewhat agree, but to be honest, I feel if you're a serious looper
you *really* should have an amp with a line level effects loop, or
better yet, a decent mixer.  For live loopage, I picked up a sweet
little Behringer 16 channel mixer for $139 US.  You can't beat that.
For loopers that use the EDP or Repeater, that should be the minimum
IMO.  Are units like the DL4 more guitar gain centric?  I'd imagine it
would be.

Mark Sottilaro

Louie Angulo wrote:

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> gain tolerance!
> something both units lack
> you could pick the color though
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> >
> >
> >
> > > Isn't that the Repeater?
> > >
> > > Louie Angulo wrote:
> > >
> > > > That would be the EDP ultimate dream;
> > stereo,loop
> > > > storing wav. tranferable,digital in and
> > out,phono
> > > in
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> > > color?
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I must say, that as a Repeater owner I pretty much *never* use this feature,
though I could see how a "DJ" type user would.  The Repeater is (was)
obviously going for that market, where the EDP seems more aligned to a general
instrumentalist.  No?  Of course, each can be used by either, but I'm talking
about general design philosophy.  Hell, the Repeater's got a built in phono
preamp.  Hell, if I were a company that was going to re-release the Repeater,
I'd put it in a DJ mixer and add a way to scratch loops.

Mark Sottilaro

Kim Flint wrote:

> The lack of a saving capability in the EDP is a limitation, but at the same
> time I found it oddly liberating after a while. I used to hate it when I
> had created a really cool loop and then had to destroy it later. It seems
> really negative at first. But after a while this create-and-destroy process
> caused me to realize that if I created something good once I could create
> something good again. A feeling of confidence grew out of that - I could
> rely on myself rather than a hard disk. From an improvising standpoint it
> was a great learning experience. It's certainly not a concept you can
> easily market, yet I'm glad to have had it....

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I spoke about Mark of the Unicorn's POLAR (not an add on to Digital
Performer 2.5 or higher, but a free part of the program itself.  It's a
RAM based real-time loop recorder) and I feel it's a good time to talk
about it in this light.  I've barely scratched the surface of it, but so
far it seems like an amazing tool for creating evolving loops Each pass
can be saved as a separate file, "printed" to the hard drive from the
loop that resides in RAM.  Now this is why I've got a gig and a half of
RAM!  You can control the volume of each pass in real time, but there's
no feedback control per say.  I'm going to go back and figure out if you
can automate the volume of each pass to simulate feedback, but with
having all the old passes still there, but eventually hitting a level of
0.  Has any POLAR user tried this?

If I can get it to work this way, I think POLAR will be one of the most
useful looping tools on the market and a great way to "save" your loops,
but to at the same time have the evolution that Kim spoke of.  I love the
Zen like nature of dispersing my little moving electrons back into chaos,
but my wife always says, "That was beautiful.  Did you record it?"
Consequently, I do not have much recorded material.  This might be a way
to get the best of both worlds.

So what I'm basically saying is this:  If you're a looper looking for a
Hard Disk recording system (mac only, sorry PC guys), take a serious look
at MOTU's Digital Performer 3.  I bought it because it seemed the only
game in town (for the Mac OS) where you could get robust software, high
end audio hardware and MIDI hardware all made by the same company.  I
still like it for that, but now, I've got a software based looping system
that could very well change the way I record music.  For no additional
cost!  They're also working on an OSX version, so it can only get better.

Mark Sottilaro


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Heh, I too used to haul around an Ensonic TS-10.  Aluminum chassie makes a
*heavy* keyboard.  For what?  I mainly used it to sequence beats and do some
synth drones.  My Roland MC-307 was a great replacement, and it's about the size
of a physics textbook. (our stick player Katrin has a book called Gravity that
we joke about.  I swear it's got it's own measurable gravity well!)

Anyway, I never felt that anyone was dissiponted when I rarely touched the
TS-10's keys, however I felt it was a waste.  It's got a good home now, so all
is well.  Part of it's replacement was with a Roland GR-30/XV-5050 setup.  I
kept telling myself that I'd start playing the keyboard, but in reality, I never
did.  Why be mediorcre on yet another instrument, I ask.  The guitar synth is a
great patch for me.  I don't have to learn another instrument and I get all the
cool sounds one could imagine.  Once, while lamenting on my inability to
purchase a GR-30, I had an idiot guitar sales man say to me, "Well, you've got
to ask yourself if you're a guitar player or a keyboard player."  Why?
Limitations can sometimes be useful, but if you've got the desire, the time and
the hardware, why not?

Mark Sottilaro

ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:

>
> BTW -- those little, dinky phrase samplers that are out today are a vast
> improvement on the days when I had to haul a couple of old Roland
> keyboard samplers around to gigs -- in addition to my guitar, rack, pedals
> and cabs. I may be an almost semi-okay guitar picker but I am a miserable
> keyboardist. Put something as big as a keyboard (or 2) on stage with you
> and folks actually expect you to PLAY it. When it appears that you don't
> really (and only diddle with a few keys every once in a while) they are
> often pretty darned disappointed. Oh well.
>
> Looping along . . .
>
> Ted Killian
>
> www.mp3.com/tedkillian
> http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html

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  I'm simulating a sort of scratch using the DBeam on the MC-505 to send
note messages to pitchshift tracks in the Repeater.   When done quickly, it
sounds like scratching.   Woohoo!   -lots of fun!   -and can be very
musical too...  

Smiles,

CQ

At 09:53 AM 9/14/02 -0700, you wrote:
>I must say, that as a Repeater owner I pretty much *never* use this feature,
>though I could see how a "DJ" type user would.  The Repeater is (was)
>obviously going for that market, where the EDP seems more aligned to a
general
>instrumentalist.  No?  Of course, each can be used by either, but I'm talking
>about general design philosophy.  Hell, the Repeater's got a built in phono
>preamp.  Hell, if I were a company that was going to re-release the Repeater,
>I'd put it in a DJ mixer and add a way to scratch loops.
>
>Mark Sottilaro
>
>Kim Flint wrote:
>
>> The lack of a saving capability in the EDP is a limitation, but at the same
>> time I found it oddly liberating after a while. I used to hate it when I
>> had created a really cool loop and then had to destroy it later. It seems
>> really negative at first. But after a while this create-and-destroy process
>> caused me to realize that if I created something good once I could create
>> something good again. A feeling of confidence grew out of that - I could
>> rely on myself rather than a hard disk. From an improvising standpoint it
>> was a great learning experience. It's certainly not a concept you can
>> easily market, yet I'm glad to have had it....
>
>


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Neat idea.  What about doing tempo along with pitch - faster tempo combined 
with higher pitch and slower tempo combined with lower pitch?  Throw in a 
way to switch directions (forward, reverse) and it seems like that would be 
an even closer approximation of scratching.

For example - you choose a midpoint of your control range.  The first value 
to either side of the midpoint changes direction of playback (mid + 1 == 
forward and mid - 1 == reverse).  Then as the control values get further 
away from the mid you increase/decrease pitch and tempo.

The difficulty would be establishing that mid point (and limiting the 
change of direction to only two single control values) via a typical 
controller.  Seems possible with a computer or maybe an outboard midi filter.

How configurable is the DBeam?


At 11:10 AM 2002/09/14, Goddess wrote:
>   I'm simulating a sort of scratch using the DBeam on the MC-505 to send
>note messages to pitchshift tracks in the Repeater.   When done quickly, it
>sounds like scratching.   Woohoo!   -lots of fun!   -and can be very
>musical too...

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  Hey Sean, -not sure how configurable the DBeam is.  I just got the 505 a
couple of weeks ago and am wildly assimilating the manual and practicing
with it.  You can associate pitch and speed, and I've done that, but
haven't played with that in a musical context as I was going for more of a
theremin-like idea, using a loop as the tone.  I found that in practice
though, the scratching idea was possible.  I also thought about sending
cc's to reverse the loop, and will investigate this but for now, I'm pretty
much almost exclusively working on material for the upcoming Women's
Looping festival in San Jose  in Oct.  -So we'll see what happens...   
  Anyway, we'll keep ya informed how it goes.     Have a great
day!...   

Smiles,

CQ

At 12:09 PM 9/14/02 -0700, you wrote:
>Neat idea.  What about doing tempo along with pitch - faster tempo combined 
>with higher pitch and slower tempo combined with lower pitch?  Throw in a 
>way to switch directions (forward, reverse) and it seems like that would be 
>an even closer approximation of scratching.
>
>For example - you choose a midpoint of your control range.  The first value 
>to either side of the midpoint changes direction of playback (mid + 1 == 
>forward and mid - 1 == reverse).  Then as the control values get further 
>away from the mid you increase/decrease pitch and tempo.
>
>The difficulty would be establishing that mid point (and limiting the 
>change of direction to only two single control values) via a typical 
>controller.  Seems possible with a computer or maybe an outboard midi filter.
>
>How configurable is the DBeam?
>
>
>At 11:10 AM 2002/09/14, Goddess wrote:
>>   I'm simulating a sort of scratch using the DBeam on the MC-505 to send
>>note messages to pitchshift tracks in the Repeater.   When done quickly, it
>>sounds like scratching.   Woohoo!   -lots of fun!   -and can be very
>>musical too...
>
>


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Steve Lawson wrote:

> BTW - my tour opening for the 21st Century Schizoid Band round the UK starts
> tomorrow 

Steve, I'd ordinarily tell you to "break a leg," but given your recent
ankle problems that's probably not the best idea.... :()

Seriously: very best wishes to you on the tour; I'm sure it'll be a grand
time.  And remember: if ever there was a gig with a justifiable mandate
for playing Frippertronics, this is it!  ;)  (Can't wait to read the 
reviews of your sets on Elephant Talk...)

UK folks: definitely check this tour out if you get the chance.  I've
been lucky enough to hear some outtakes from the sessions for Steve's
upcoming solo disc, and he's doing some very wonderful stuff with his
approach.  Listen and learn!

Woo hah,

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Yo Louie,

Louie Angulo wrote:

> I am curious to know what amp you are using and if you
> could recomend a DAt i´´m going to start shopping
> around for this things.

Be careful, man - you're one step away from asking what kind of strings
I use.  ;)

The amp is a Mesa/Boogie DC3, which I got back in '95.  I haven't been
following the world of DI amp recording since then, but I'm sure there
are all kinds of wonderful developments since then.

The DAT machine was a hand-me down from a few years back, and was
already a bit obsolete by that time anyway.  I've no idea what the
current market is like for those... I know a lot of folks also swear by
MiniDisc for live recording (though with MD there's always a bit of
lossy data compression).

> I am tired of unplugging the
> output of my guitar input  into the comp. and getting
> huming noises.

There'a actually a TON of hum and noise on the DAT tapes of the stuff on
my web site - I had to clean them up quite a bit to make them sound
presentable.  I could certainly take more care with my live amp
recordings than I have been.

Hum in general can be combatted by taking care that different components
are plugged into the same basic source - having the computer in one
outlet and the amp in another can be a surefire prescription for hum,
for instance... so you could likely record direct into the computer
without that nasty hum.  Do some experimenting with different wiring
(both in terms of power cables and audio cables), and also be careful of
things like monitors for introducing extraneous noise into the signal.

Thanks again for listening!

--Andre LaFosse
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At 09:27 AM 9/14/2002, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 9/14/02 4:45:20 AM, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes:
>[Steve quoting Kim]
>
> >> The "storing" part and the "transferable" part always seem like nice-
> >> to-have features. It would be a nice little check box to have there on
> >> the EDP brochure - You can save your loops and easily transfer them
> >> to PC!
>
>[Steve's comment]
>
> >I have to say that at the moment I'd have no need of those features in
> >an EDP. I guess that for me was the biggest different between the EDP
> >and the Repeater - EDP is ostensibly a looper/mangler, Repeater seemed
> >to be a versatile real time sampler...valid distinction? probably not... :o)
>
>I sort of agree with some of the above. But one of the things that is VERY
>"nice" about saving loops to reuse later is capturing the "How the hell
>did I do that? Gee, I wish I could save it." sort of event. The reuse
>may or may not involve performance directly. It may be educational --
>to disect the loop and determine what the heck is really going on in
>it -- finding out how and why it works.
>
>But, there are plenty of "work arounds" for this -- the most obvious being
>simply recording everything you do (not always possible).

How is that a "work around"? To me it sounds like the most obvious and 
useful way to do what you want. You want to be able to analyze a loop later 
to understand what you did to get the loop, to learn from the techniques 
and reuse them. So do as Claude suggested, Use a DAW of some sort, record a 
track of the audio going into the loop, a track of the resulting looper 
output audio, a track the midi commands that controlled everything the 
looper did, and a track of the midi time stamp output of the looper. Then 
you have a complete record of the *process* you went through to get the 
loop. That's what you want right? Then you can analyze every step of it. As 
source material for later sound creations you have a complete record to 
work with. You can even recreate it back in the looper up to a certain 
point in the middle of the process if you want, and then do something 
different from there. If you just saved the loop at the end, six months 
later you'll listen back to it and have no idea at all how you created it 
and no record at all of the evolutions it went through to get to that point.

>I agree with Steve that the Repeater has a lot of "sampler" characteristics
>rolled into it's looper feature set. I guess that was what I eventually
>figured
>out and made my decision NOT to purchase one.

I've seen several people refer the Repeater as "sampler" like, but I don't 
see that at all.

Samplers achieve multiple elements at once by having "voices", not tracks. 
Samplers can play x number of "voices" at once. Any of the loaded samples 
can be triggered instantly to fill one of those voices. You don't have to 
wait for the current sample to finish before triggering another. If you 
have all the voices playing and try to play another one, it will do some 
sort of "voice stealing" to allow the new one to play. You can even have 
the same sample triggered several times in different voices, overlapping 
itself. Samples can be varying in length. Samples can be triggered at 
different pitch, generally done by simply varying the sample rate of the 
playback which also changes the length and gives the munchkin/giant effect. 
Samples can be triggered at different volumes, by using the velocity 
sensitivity on a midi controller. "Loops" are generally created in and 
driven by sequencers, either built in or external, that trigger a 
collection of samples in a repetitive way according to a pre-planned rhythm.

The Repeater is not like that at all. The Repeater is like a "multi-track 
recorder". There is a big difference in design philosophy and user 
interface between that and a sampler.

kim


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Muso time!  :()

Kim Flint wrote:

> The lack of a saving capability in the EDP is a limitation, but at the same
> time I found it oddly liberating after a while. 

Me too, for the same basic reasons you describe.

> A feeling of confidence grew out of that - I could
> rely on myself rather than a hard disk. From an improvising standpoint it
> was a great learning experience. It's certainly not a concept you can
> easily market, 

True - though for people coming from a more "playerly" side of things, I
think it could help reinforce the idea that an EDP is something designed
to create evolving, developing, non-static *performances,* as opposed to
static, fixed things that just loop over and over again...

> Godflesh, Meat Beat Manifesto, Puppy, Ministry, FLA, etc. It
> is really interesting to hear some of these bands develop over time to
> their greatest moments. Much of what makes industrial music work is the
> thudding aggressive repetition of the loops. But oftentimes that's where it
> failed too. Some of it just goes nowhere with that.

I was never too into industrial as a genre, but I was a HUGE Skinny
Puppy fan for a while, and most of their stuff (certainly in the '88 -
'92 "golden era") was not particularly repetitive much of the time - you
never really knew when some new freakish event was going to ooze out of
the speaker, and the programming tended to be very meticulous and subtle
that way.

> there is still a chunky feeling.
> "Ok, let's turn this chunk on!" "Now mute this chunk and sing over it".
> "Now let's fade in this other chunk and play a short wave radio
> sample!"  It feels very constructed. 

Right, the whole "grid" - based sound.  I think this was popularized by
people like NIN and Garbage in the mid-'90s, and it was a cool sound -
the chorus suddenly has a completely different arrangement and texture,
and it slams you on the head right on the downbeat of a section.

But it became a HUGE cliche, and now you can practically smell that
stuff coming a mile away - "Ooooh, they're gonna have a big burst of
guitars and heavy beats four bars from now!"  It gets to the point where
you can visualize the way the computer screen looked when they were
assembling the songs, and you can hear the different sections being
telegraphed long before they show up.  It can still be used effectively,
I think, but I'm really burned out on it myself.

> Don't get me wrong, it's brilliant, I
> can listen to it all day (and I did....)  but they never quite get the
> in-the-moment live feeling, and sometimes I really miss the energy of that.

One of the things I like about good IDM, or hip-hop, or mid-'90s drum
and bass, is that there's an attention to subtle variation and detail
that keeps the stuff from sounding overly "sequencer-assembled"... and I
have to wonder if a certain amount of that doesn't come from the fact
that a lot of those guys didn't HAVE swanky software programs to run on
a G4.  

Squarepusher or Public Enemy were making records with tools that didn't
necessarily lend themselves to loop-based music fundamentally, and I
have to think that a certain amount of the subtlety and detail in their
music is there specifically because they HAD to do it in a fairly
meticulous, hands-on manner.

As cool as programs like ACID and Ableton Live! are, they still strike me
as being products of the "grid" paradigm in a way.  Yes, there are lots
of ways to use those tools to break out of these kinds of aesthetic
ruts, but I wonder if people will be inclined to dig into those areas.  

When there are that many options available at any one time, it can get
very hard to make a decision on any of them.  Whereas if you're having
to really construct the material in a deliberate (or real-time!) manner,
I think there's a tendency to work with an idea and SHAPE it into
something... instead of discarding it immediately if it doesn't happen to
instantly sound good next to the other 8 tracks of automatically 
beatmatched ACID or LIVE! loops...

Never mind me,

--Andre LaFosse
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At 06:36 AM 9/14/2002, Louie Angulo wrote:
>P.s.(increasing the gain stage further for guitar
>abuse would be nice in though. Digital clipping noise
>is really crucifying for the human ear!)
>Lou

that doesn't make sense. if you are clipping the input of the EDP, you want 
less gain on the EDP input, not more. Turn down the EDP input knob to where 
it doesn't clip. Or use normal line level outs from the guitar stuff. If 
you are running the loop output back into the same guitar amp you are 
otherwise playing through, expect it to sound like mush anyway. You are 
much better off running the loops through a clean PA type system.
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At 07:11 PM 9/11/2002, Kirkland Mack wrote:
>Hi folks, I'm new here.

hi, and welcome!

>I'm an inch away from buying an EDP but I want to know if certain things I 
>have in mind are possible with it. Canya record a loop silently and begin 
>playback later?

yes. for example, one method is by ending the Record with the Mute button. 
The loop goes immediately into Mute. You can then trigger it later to start 
from the beginning and continue playing, or unmute it from wherever it 
would have been, trigger stutters with it, etc.

>Canya record a set of loops and cycle through them in any order you want?

yes. If you don't use MIDI, you do this by using what is called 
SwitchQuantize. With SwitchQuantize on the loop doesn't change immediately 
when you press NextLoop. You can select which loop to go to next and then 
it will switch to there.

If you use MIDI, you can just directly trigger any loop you want. This can 
either be instantly triggered like a sampler, or Quantized so that it waits 
for the current loop to finish and then switches.

>How does it perform plugged into the front of a tube amp? Gracias.

I suppose it's fine, I've had a couple in my guitar rack in between a 
triaxis and simulclass 2:90 for years. The downside is that guitar amps are 
designed to make one guitar sound good. Trying to play multiple layers of 
guitar loops plus your direct guitar sound into most guitar amps can 
sometimes sound like mush. that's nothing to do with the EDP, just the 
nature of guitar amps, and it depends highly on the amp and what kind of 
loops you make. Some amps will be really clean and do ok, others won't. 
This is why a lot of guitar loopers end up using direct boxes and directing 
their loop output into PA systems that can cleanly reproduce the loop 
layers. Also, a lot of older tube amps have wildly varying ideas of what 
levels should be used in an effects loop, which can be a problem with any 
gear. An amp with a more standard line out effect send/return is good.

If you are a true guitar tube amp tone purist, you won't put anything other 
than the guitar in front of the tube amp. The guitar pickups loaded by the 
tube preamp input is part of that sound. Anything in the middle and you're 
a wanker. :-)

However, the EDP does have a high-impedance front end designed with guitars 
in mind, as well as line-level stuff. So if you aren't a tube amp nut, it 
sounds fine to plug a guitar directly into it.

kim


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I agree with what you're saying, *but* it's still nice to save loops. 
For me, a lot of late-night loopathons have generated ideas that i use
in other compositions, so it's nice to be able to save them easily. 
Also sometimes i have an idea, and use the repeater to jam with it, and
see if something else comes out of it.  Of course one could always just
record it, but for me that usually involves moving stuff around and
repatching a bunch of cables, which means that my laziness often wins
and i don't record anything.  With the repeater i can just plug in,
jam, and save it.   

Ernesto

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> The "storing" part and the "transferable" part always seem like 
> nice-to-have features. It would be a nice little check box to have
> there on 
> the EDP brochure - You can save your loops and easily transfer them to
> PC! 
> And yet, I increasingly don't find these features as things I have much 
> need for. I'm not even sure how I would use them.

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>
>> How does it perform plugged into the front of a tube amp? Gracias.
> 
> I suppose it's fine, I've had a couple in my guitar rack in between a
> triaxis and simulclass 2:90 for years. The downside is that guitar amps are
> designed to make one guitar sound good. Trying to play multiple layers of
> guitar loops plus your direct guitar sound into most guitar amps can
> sometimes sound like mush. that's nothing to do with the EDP, just the
> nature of guitar amps, and it depends highly on the amp and what kind of
> loops you make. Some amps will be really clean and do ok, others won't.
> This is why a lot of guitar loopers end up using direct boxes and directing
> their loop output into PA systems that can cleanly reproduce the loop
> layers. Also, a lot of older tube amps have wildly varying ideas of what
> levels should be used in an effects loop, which can be a problem with any
> gear. An amp with a more standard line out effect send/return is good.
> 
> If you are a true guitar tube amp tone purist, you won't put anything other
> than the guitar in front of the tube amp. The guitar pickups loaded by the
> tube preamp input is part of that sound. Anything in the middle and you're
> a wanker. :-)
> 
> However, the EDP does have a high-impedance front end designed with guitars
> in mind, as well as line-level stuff. So if you aren't a tube amp nut, it
> sounds fine to plug a guitar directly into it.
> 
> kim
> 
kim, kudos...
your last coupla posts have been so right on...
concerning loops-its all about real time. recording loops?? reminds me of
the george carlin line about one hour photo booths"ya just *took* the
picture,you were just there and you need the pictures in 60 minutes??"

also "godflesh"!!
what a killer band-all drum machines and guitar loops and thuddingness-i
still play 'streetcleaner'regularly. it 'alters' my neighbors ;-)

and finally as a tube/tone guy i appreciate your putting it straight that
anything but guitar to preamp you *will* have tone degredation.
after that weak signal is boosted then the manipulation and fun begins...
goinloopee
s

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Hi,

I've been experimenting with running a guitar signal from the amp's pre amp
out into a mixer and using the sends for the effects.

My problem is that the guitar signal (thru the mixer) sounds very different
from the signal that would be produced by the amp.  I know that I'm just
getting just the pre amp signal rather than both the pre and power amp
signal.  I'm using the guitar signal to feed the sends on the mixer.

But, the rack mount mixers I've tried so far, an early Mackie CR 1604 (not
the VLZ or Pro), and an Allen & Heath WZ 16:2  seem to color the sound in a
non musical way, IMO - at least in a non guitar friendly way.  My guess is
that it is the mixer channel pre amps.  Even the reverbs and delays sound
different than if I just threw them into the amp's effects loop - very
different - sort of harder, not as lush or as full.

Additionally, once I set unity gain in the mixer, the volume is Way louder
than it would be if just running straight from the amp(s).

Any ideas on mixers than are fairly true to the guitar tone, or are really
musical sounding?

And yes, I use an Oberheim EDP and a Repeater!  Love them both for
different reasons.  

Thanks!

M...

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In a message dated 9/14/02 5:03:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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> Women's
> Looping festival in San Jose  in Oct.  

what is the date of this event?.....michael

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Women's

Looping festival in San Jose  in Oct.  




what is the date of this event?.....michael

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> Whereas if you're having
> to really construct the material in a deliberate (or real-time!) manner,
> I think there's a tendency to work with an idea and SHAPE it into
> something..

yikes!.....go andre go!.....michael

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Whereas if you're having

to really construct the material in a deliberate (or real-time!) manner,

I think there's a tendency to work with an idea and SHAPE it into

something..




yikes!.....go andre go!.....michael

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Hi Michael,
I've been using an older Allen & Heath model...GL 12 ? I was very happy
about its sound result so that now, using a switchblade i miss it a little.
I was entering into the channels bypassing its preamps' section (using the
inserts), this allows you to avoid too many gain stages that would result in
a very difficult success in finding where, in the signal flow, you have
overloads (i was using auxes and groups sends a lot to feed the processors,
so there were 2 more gain stages there).
Consider headroom and, also, consider ergonomy.
To be able to switch sends on/off, to route a signal to another processor
and so on in an easy and fast way, is a very important thing when you start
using mixing as an instrument by itself.
Sound is a matter of taste, so the best to do is test each mixer with your
gear and monitors.
I didn't understand if you are comparing the sound with/without mixer in
between you amp's send/return or if you're using the mixer after the amp's
send and then you go to some monitors.
I agree with Kim when he says that deep-looping drives a lot of us gtr
player from classic amps to full range monitors - and when you do this step,
you find that gtr sound through a full range monitoring is a different
world, you have to start thinking to sounds in a complete new way.

hope this helps a little bit.
don''t give up trying with mixers.

luca



> But, the rack mount mixers I've tried so far, an early Mackie CR 1604 (not
> the VLZ or Pro), and an Allen & Heath WZ 16:2  seem to color the sound in
a
> non musical way, IMO - at least in a non guitar friendly way.  My guess is
> that it is the mixer channel pre amps.  Even the reverbs and delays sound
> different than if I just threw them into the amp's effects loop - very
> different - sort of harder, not as lush or as full.


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> I agree with Kim when he says that deep-looping drives a lot of us gtr
> player from classic amps to full range monitors 

i use the mackie srm 450s and a mackie 1202 mixer for my looping (mostly 
guitar), as of late i have been sending a third signal out to a fender 
"champ", it seems to "fatten" my sound a bit and gives me one more "dynamic" 
to play with.....michael

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I agree with Kim when he says that deep-looping drives a lot of us gtr

player from classic amps to full range monitors 




i use the mackie srm 450s and a mackie 1202 mixer for my looping (mostly guitar), as of late i have been sending a third signal out to a fender "champ", it seems to "fatten" my sound a bit and gives me one more "dynamic" to play with.....michael

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At 08:43 PM 9/14/2002, Stan Card wrote:
>also "godflesh"!!
>what a killer band-all drum machines and guitar loops and thuddingness-i
>still play 'streetcleaner'regularly. it 'alters' my neighbors ;-)

yes! I'm so into these guys lately. The heaviest, bleakest, non-wussy loop 
music ever. I checked them out after somebody on this list mentioned them 
years ago.  Justin Broadrick is a genius. I've had streetcleaner, selfless, 
and songs of love and hate for a while and really like all three. I was 
listening to them all again recently and then had to order all the rest of 
their albums a few days ago. been waiting eagerly by the mailbox everyday 
since.

kim


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sorry i meant increasing the tolerance of the input or
 decreasing the sensitivity
I am curious how  far do you have the input normally
set? i have it at about 11 o´clock and it still clips.
I am running a roland preamp into it but i also own a
boomerang which hardly ever clips.It is specially
sensitive with bright tones.
cheers
lou


 that doesn't make sense. if you are clipping the
> input of the EDP, you want 
> less gain on the EDP input, not more. Turn down the
> EDP input knob to where 
> it doesn't clip. Or use normal line level outs from
> the guitar stuff. If 
> you are running the loop output back into the same
> guitar amp you are 
> otherwise playing through, expect it to sound like
> mush anyway. You are 
> much better off running the loops through a clean PA
> type system.
> kim
> 
> 
>
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> 


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Andre thanks a million for your advice!
I am not picky about strings though:o)



> Yo Louie,
> 
> Louie Angulo wrote:
> 
> > I am curious to know what amp you are using and if
> you
> > could recomend a DAt i´´m going to start shopping
> > around for this things.
> 
> Be careful, man - you're one step away from asking
> what kind of strings
> I use.  ;)
> 
> The amp is a Mesa/Boogie DC3, which I got back in
> '95.  I haven't been
> following the world of DI amp recording since then,
> but I'm sure there
> are all kinds of wonderful developments since then.
> 
> The DAT machine was a hand-me down from a few years
> back, and was
> already a bit obsolete by that time anyway.  I've no
> idea what the
> current market is like for those... I know a lot of
> folks also swear by
> MiniDisc for live recording (though with MD there's
> always a bit of
> lossy data compression).
> 
> > I am tired of unplugging the
> > output of my guitar input  into the comp. and
> getting
> > huming noises.
> 
> There'a actually a TON of hum and noise on the DAT
> tapes of the stuff on
> my web site - I had to clean them up quite a bit to
> make them sound
> presentable.  I could certainly take more care with
> my live amp
> recordings than I have been.
> 
> Hum in general can be combatted by taking care that
> different components
> are plugged into the same basic source - having the
> computer in one
> outlet and the amp in another can be a surefire
> prescription for hum,
> for instance... so you could likely record direct
> into the computer
> without that nasty hum.  Do some experimenting with
> different wiring
> (both in terms of power cables and audio cables),
> and also be careful of
> things like monitors for introducing extraneous
> noise into the signal.
> 
> Thanks again for listening!
> 
> --Andre LaFosse
> http://www.altruistmusic.com
> 


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I"m firming up the last minute details and will mail them out 
next week about this groundbreaking festival.

stay tuned!!!!

yours,  rick

The date is Friday, October 4th (two days after my birthday, btw).


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I love this conversation!
Talking about live energy i would love to see 
somebody like jimmy page doing loop based music.There
was something very  addicting  and manipulative about
his riffs.Things like Kashmir or "when the leeve
breaks" sound very loopy to me!
lou

> > Don't get me wrong, it's brilliant, I
> > can listen to it all day (and I did....)  but they
> never quite get the
> > in-the-moment live feeling, and sometimes I really
> miss the energy of that.
>

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Thanks for the tip mark!
lou






> I somewhat agree, but to be honest, I feel if you're
> a serious looper
> you *really* should have an amp with a line level
> effects loop, or
> better yet, a decent mixer.  For live loopage, I
> picked up a sweet
> little Behringer 16 channel mixer for $139 US.  You
> can't beat that.
> For loopers that use the EDP or Repeater, that
> should be the minimum
> IMO.  Are units like the DL4 more guitar gain
> centric?  I'd imagine it
> would be.
> 
> Mark Sottilaro
> 
> Louie Angulo wrote:
> 
> > Oh and by the way (i forgot) high levels of Guitar
> > gain tolerance!
> > something both units lack
> > you could pick the color though
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Isn't that the Repeater?
> > > >
> > > > Louie Angulo wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > That would be the EDP ultimate dream;
> > > stereo,loop
> > > > > storing wav. tranferable,digital in and
> > > out,phono
> > > > in
> > > > > and perhaps a cool 2 tone deep water blue
> green
> > > > color?
> > > > > maybe someday...
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Asolutely i recently purchased the Line6 Echo pro
although i don´t use the loop features that much.But
it is very tolerance of hot signals







> > IMO.  Are units like the DL4 more guitar gain
> > centric?  I'd imagine it
> > would be.
> > 
> > Mark Sottilaro
> > 
> > Louie Angulo wrote:
> > 
> > > Oh and by the way (i forgot) high levels of
> Guitar
> > > gain tolerance!
> > > something both units lack
> > > you could pick the color though
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Isn't that the Repeater?
> > > > >
> > > > > Louie Angulo wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > That would be the EDP ultimate dream;
> > > > stereo,loop
> > > > > > storing wav. tranferable,digital in and
> > > > out,phono
> > > > > in
> > > > > > and perhaps a cool 2 tone deep water blue
> > green
> > > > > color?
> > > > > > maybe someday...
> > > > >
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I put one of my old Digitech Time machine's on ebay. Hopefully someone
will have a use for it. It seems so sad just sitting here now..;-(

here's the link if you're interested.

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Transfer your home movies to DVD!!!!

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I am a bit confused with the new long undo and short
undo direct comands functions of Loop IV.I am testing
them and it seems they do the same function as the
undo button. How do they differ?
Thanx
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hi all,

I haven't checked it out yet, but thought some might be interested in this
plugin, the Ellotronix, claiming to be an emulation of a frippertronics
setup.  only 8 seconds max though...

http://www.arrakis.es/%7Eelogoxa/principal.htm

-omjn

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Andy once said

> >If you connect the EDP midi out to a
>  >General Midi Module
>  >then set EDP midi channel to 10
>  >
>  >you get a bass drum at every cycle
>  >and a stick sound at every 8th note as
>  >set in the 8th/cycle param.
>  >
>  >so is this just chance that the MIDI sync notes
>  >fall on useful notes????
>  

Matthias said 
>  incredible coincidence!
>  
>  >
>  >Well this isn't really a useful feature,
>  >but useful for checking what's going on.
>  
>  is it so useless?
>  does the crowd know about this?


They do now

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>If you connect the EDP midi out to a
>General Midi Module
>then set EDP midi channel to 10
>
>you get a bass drum at every cycle
>and a stick sound at every 8th note as
>set in the 8th/cycle param.
>
>so is this just chance that the MIDI sync notes
>fall on useful notes????

incredible coincidence!

>
>Well this isn't really a useful feature,
>but useful for checking what's going on.

is it so useless?
does the crowd know about this?
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Hey Gang, just cleaning up my room getting rid of some stuff that I thought
I'd use more, but really don't.  It's all in great condition.  Buyer agrees to
pay shipping.  US and Canada. Email me OFF list if interested.

Digitech XP 300 Space Station $200

This box is NUTS.  No normal sounds here.  Backwards stuff, crazy Ring
Modulators, Pitch shifting and great Synth effects.  If you're looking for
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Korg AX30G $60

I was amp shopping and this happend to be hooked to the amp I wanted to listen
to.  I bought it and the amp!  It's got a *really* good "Tube Screamer" like
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Behringer V-Amp $75

Their version of Line6's POD at an amazing price.  I think the amp models
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if you want.  It's totally MIDI controllable.

Morley BVO Basic Volume. $30

What can be said?  It's a built like a tank Morley Volume pedal.

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>At 09:11 PM 9/13/2002, Louie Angulo wrote:

>>Thanks Andre you are really doing some wonderful
>>futuristic stuff there!

kim said:
>I agree!
me, too --- very much so.

then, someone said:
>>That would be the EDP ultimate dream; stereo,loop
>>storing wav. tranferable,digital in and out,phono in
>>and perhaps a cool 2 tone deep water blue green color?
>>maybe someday...

to which kim responded:
>The "storing" part and the "transferable" part always seem like 
>nice-to-have features. It would be a nice little check box to have there
>on 
>the EDP brochure - You can save your loops and easily transfer them to
>PC! 
>And yet, I increasingly don't find these features as things I have much
>need for. I'm not even sure how I would use them.
right.
but: importantly, to me:
if storage and *recall* were implemented in an edp which could take advantage 
of these features as *creative* opportunities --- and not merely as 
archivery, as in the paper i'd writ for the now-deceased electrix-repeater 
development team --- i believe you'd find some rather interesting ways to 
employ them.....

>Listen to what Andre does, or what Matthias does, or what a lot of people
>do now with looping, and the real music is not in some singular "loop".
..... but in ther manipulation thereof, yeah:
i gotcha.
see above.
storage and recall as FURTHER manipulation-capability.

>These guys are constantly manipulating the loops, creating, evolving, 
>deconstructing them, playing against them. Doing it live! The music is
>more 
>about the process of interacting with the loops in various ways.
..... and q-bert, spooky, et al are manipulating pre-recorded materials;
i just want those add'l materials to be ones that i made myself 
earlier-in-the-same performance, yesterday, last week, etc..... but from a 
loopV flying-edit perpective.
is that a 'wrong' approach, somehow?

>Working
>with the repetitive elements, playing against them, changing them, keeping
>some elements repeating while fading or destroying others.
i submit that there's still something further that might be done w/*fast* 
storage and recall.

>So what is the "loop" then? If you are going to save something that is
>a 
>constant evolution, what do you save? 
in my small corner of the world, there are some loops that are 'done', eg, 
'finished' elements that might be used in a 'compositional' process, and then 
there's the looping that is completely about the process.....
the integration of (at least these two) systems is what intrigues me, as a 
musician.

>If you are going to transfer it to
>the PC, do you transfer the thing left repeating at the end, or do you
>record the whole process?
personally, i do both things, and enjoy that.
 
>I think it's the latter. You do what Andre does,
>you plug a recording device in, press Record at the beginning, and Stop>an 
>hour later...
me, i like that, too, but --- as a system --- it's not the be-all and 
end-all, for me, as no system (beyond my own physical and conceptual 
limitations) seems to be.....

>The lack of a saving capability in the EDP is a limitation, but at the
>same 
>time I found it oddly liberating after a while. I used to hate it when
>I 
>had created a really cool loop and then had to destroy it later. It seems
>really negative at first. But after a while this create-and-destroy process
>caused me to realize that if I created something good once I could create
>something good again. A feeling of confidence grew out of that - I could
>rely on myself rather than a hard disk. From an improvising standpoint
>it 
>was a great learning experience. It's certainly not a concept you can 
>easily market, yet I'm glad to have had it....
totally understood.....



>For example today I listened to various Meat Beat albums. Early MBM just
>seems too repetitive and one-dimensional compared to their later albums.
>It 
>has some moments, but overall it feels restricted by the sameness of the
>repetition. Whereas later albums really developed an ability to work with
>the repetitive elements more. Some things change while others don't, some
>elements mutate over time, some elements drop out and come back later.
>There's more song structure, and more depth. Did Jack just get better?
>or 
>have better tools available? I don't know. Going from Storm the Studio
>to 
>Satyricon to Actual Sounds and Voices it was really obvious, the music
>gets 
>much more interesting for me. Yet even so, there is still a chunky feeling.
>"Ok, let's turn this chunk on!" "Now mute this chunk and sing over it".
>"Now let's fade in this other chunk and play a short wave radio 
>sample!"  It feels very constructed. Don't get me wrong, it's brilliant,
>I 
>can listen to it all day (and I did....)  but they never quite get the
>in-the-moment live feeling, and sometimes I really miss the energy of that.
understood.
it may be possible to incorporate live playing w/the loop-based-composition 
approach, though:
i'm know that i'm still trying to do that, w/my own music.

>And maybe that's the point of where I'm going with this. I enjoy listening
>to people like Andre, (or so many others here) because there's something
>alive about it. It's loops and repetition that I always like, but it's
>spontaneous and live and on the edge at the same time. Not the stiffly
>constructed loop music of the 90's. It never feels like, "well I recorded
>this loop 9 months ago, and I have to use it somewhere, so how about here!"
>boooorrrring. You can only do so much with an amen break, a tb-303, an
>old 
>metal guitar loop, and samples from blade runner and a porno, and it was
>already done better than you're going to do it anyway. I think it's time
>to move on from that. 
i thought that was worth seeing in-print, again.

>play live!
okay! i will, if you will!
*-)
best,
dt / splattercell

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I had a similar "want" in that I wanted the sound from my guitar amp to be
available to the effects boxes (ie : the sound from the power amp, clean or
unclean. I bought a small kit from Torres Engineering which connects up to
the amp speaker and produces a line output. What you end up with is the
sound you hear while from the amp going into your effects or echoplex or
whatever, which is really quite nice. I have a small tube amp which produces
a wide range of distorted sounds, now I don't need to simulate any of it, it
goes from the amp to the mixer+plex+effects -> near-field monitors. Works
for me, and it's only $15 !

http://www.torresengineering.com/lineoutkit.html

Good luck !

John



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> Hi,
>
> I've been experimenting with running a guitar signal from the amp's pre
amp
> out into a mixer and using the sends for the effects.
>
> My problem is that the guitar signal (thru the mixer) sounds very
different
> from the signal that would be produced by the amp.  I know that I'm just
> getting just the pre amp signal rather than both the pre and power amp
> signal.  I'm using the guitar signal to feed the sends on the mixer.
>
> But, the rack mount mixers I've tried so far, an early Mackie CR 1604 (not
> the VLZ or Pro), and an Allen & Heath WZ 16:2  seem to color the sound in
a
> non musical way, IMO - at least in a non guitar friendly way.  My guess is
> that it is the mixer channel pre amps.  Even the reverbs and delays sound
> different than if I just threw them into the amp's effects loop - very
> different - sort of harder, not as lush or as full.
>
> Additionally, once I set unity gain in the mixer, the volume is Way louder
> than it would be if just running straight from the amp(s).
>
> Any ideas on mixers than are fairly true to the guitar tone, or are really
> musical sounding?
>
> And yes, I use an Oberheim EDP and a Repeater!  Love them both for
> different reasons.
>
> Thanks!
>
> M...
>
>

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Hi Michael, 
I've been replying to your mail, but receive it bounced back.
Do you want me to reply to you on the list ?
Let me know,
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Hello -

a quick note to say Super-Cannes will be playing this Wednesday, =
September 18th @ Sky Bar, Cambridge, MA.

    Super-Cannes is Doug Vargas, Danny Lee and David Kirkdorffer.

The show will also feature special guest, Jon Wobesky on electric =
trumpet.

The historians among you may notice this line-up brings together half of =
CXEMA with half of Womb to Tomb -- two of Boston's better remembered =
experimental rock bands.  And maybe that helps place the sound of this =
too.

Wed Sept 18th
Sky Bar
Super-Cannes -9pm
Idiot Tom -10pm
Cambridge 213 Band -11pm

Bringing your consciousness however you will is very much encouraged.

David

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Hi Luca, Yes, I sent an email directly to you regarding a mixer insert
question.
I'll resend, but you can certainly post to the list - I'll just look
unusually ignorant - but it won't be the first time!  Ha!  Michael

 At 10:07 PM 9/15/02 +0200, you wrote:
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>I've been replying to your mail, but receive it bounced back.
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>Let me know,
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>
>
>

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I have to keep my EDP input at 9:00.  Mine is from 95 and awhile back I had 
the R10 and R30 resistors changed.  The mod definitely increased output 
level but I don't think it did anything for reducing input sensitivity.  I 
wonder if the shop didn't change the input gain resistor even though I paid 
for the work - I'd swear that before the mod I had to leave the input at 
about 9:00 as well.

Anyone else who has done the R10/R30 mod to an older EDP: do you recall it 
having an effect on where you set the input knob?



At 04:43 AM 2002/09/15, Louie Angulo wrote:
>sorry i meant increasing the tolerance of the input or
>  decreasing the sensitivity
>I am curious how  far do you have the input normally
>set? i have it at about 11 o´clock and it still clips.

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Hi Sean,
meine is also from 1996 and i changed the resistors as
well but like you say it did not do anything as far as
the sensitivity.I have the input from most of my
processors and loop devices set at twelve o´clock and
it takes a lot for them to distort.
I wonder if this has been changed in the new units
cu
Louie









> I have to keep my EDP input at 9:00.  Mine is from
> 95 and awhile back I had 
> the R10 and R30 resistors changed.  The mod
> definitely increased output 
> level but I don't think it did anything for reducing
> input sensitivity.  I 
> wonder if the shop didn't change the input gain
> resistor even though I paid 
> for the work - I'd swear that before the mod I had
> to leave the input at 
> about 9:00 as well.
> 
> Anyone else who has done the R10/R30 mod to an older
> EDP: do you recall it 
> having an effect on where you set the input knob?
> 
> 
> 
> At 04:43 AM 2002/09/15, Louie Angulo wrote:
> >sorry i meant increasing the tolerance of the input
> or
> >  decreasing the sensitivity
> >I am curious how  far do you have the input
> normally
> >set? i have it at about 11 o´clock and it still
> clips.
> 


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i keep my new gibson edp's input no higher than 11:00 and the output is
about 5:00.  what's odd is that the units are relatively the same age (both
gibsons bought new from altomusic within 4 months of each other) and they
both receive identical signals but one is just a touch more sensitive.  it's
not a problem at all, but i wonder about the consistency of the units.

-jim


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The EDP has more gain range available than most processors because it was 
designed to handle a wide range of input signals, not just line level. We 
wanted people to be able to plug a guitar or even a microphone directly 
into it without needing a preamp, in addition to directly supporting line 
level signals. (We considered this to be a plus over other devices, crazy 
us!) So if you are using line level signals, then yes, it is expected that 
the input would be turned down fairly far. We originally had much more gain 
on the early units, but people just couldn't understand it and clipped the 
inputs all the time. So we changed the gain structure. That's what the 
resistor mod for older units is all about.

Doing the calculations on changing R10 from 2.2k to 10k, the max input gain 
is reduced about 13dB with this mod. The amount reduced actually changes 
through the knob range due to the way the circuit works, so on the lower 
end of the range the mod reduces the gain by 4-6dB. Therefore, if you 
already had the knob in the lower range that isn't a huge change, but 
should be noticeably different.

If you really just can't sleep at night without your input knob exactly in 
the 12:00 position, you can try increasing the R10 resistor some more. For 
example, you might try changing R10 to 51Kohm. That should reduce the 12:00 
position by another 10dB.

Hopefully this will bring you peace and make you feel at one with your 
input knob. If not, there are more resistors out there. Your perfect gain 
setting lies among them. If you seek you shall find.

kim


At 10:45 PM 9/15/2002, Sean Echevarria wrote:
>I have to keep my EDP input at 9:00.  Mine is from 95 and awhile back I 
>had the R10 and R30 resistors changed.  The mod definitely increased 
>output level but I don't think it did anything for reducing input 
>sensitivity.  I wonder if the shop didn't change the input gain resistor 
>even though I paid for the work - I'd swear that before the mod I had to 
>leave the input at about 9:00 as well.
>
>Anyone else who has done the R10/R30 mod to an older EDP: do you recall it 
>having an effect on where you set the input knob?
>
>
>
>At 04:43 AM 2002/09/15, Louie Angulo wrote:
>>sorry i meant increasing the tolerance of the input or
>>  decreasing the sensitivity
>>I am curious how  far do you have the input normally
>>set? i have it at about 11 o´clock and it still clips.

______________________________________________________________________
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I'm reminded of days long ago when I worked at gibson and sometimes had to 
do odd things for famous people. The guitar tech of one famous user 
requested a sophisticated modification from me. This particular famous user 
had a habit of grabbing any convenient volume knob and turning it up 
anytime he didn't think the sound in his monitors was loud enough, and 
consequently screwing up the levels all through the system that his 
faithful tech had carefully set. So said tech requested that I modify all 
of his units in a way that challenged my engineering skills to their fullest.

So, I sawed off the input and output volume knobs completely, and gouged 
out the remaining nub of plastic such that it could only be adjusted with a 
screwdriver. The tech was happy, and the famous guy presumably found 
another knob to grab.

kim


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>Hi Sean,
>meine is also from 1996 and i changed the resistors as
>well but like you say it did not do anything as far as
>the sensitivity.I have the input from most of my
>processors and loop devices set at twelve o´clock and
>it takes a lot for them to distort.
>I wonder if this has been changed in the new units

______________________________________________________________________
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Howdy Fellow Loopers and Loopees,
                                                       Anyone try or buy one 
of these puppies? I got one a couple days ago and am having a blast w/ it in 
conjunction w/ my Line6 Dl4. It is basically a lo-fi looper that can loop up 
to 20 seconds of grungy analog audio. Very fun. Has depth and speed controls 
for added weirdness.                                          =-) PJ

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Howdy Fellow Loopers and Loopees,

                                                       Anyone try or buy one of these puppies? I got one a couple days ago and am having a blast w/ it in conjunction w/ my Line6 Dl4. It is basically a lo-fi looper that can loop up to 20 seconds of grungy analog audio. Very fun. Has depth and speed controls for added weirdness.                                          =-) PJ

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I have connected a BOSS FV-50L pedal with a mono cable coming from Out 1
to the Feedback jack on my EDP.  For some reason, I don't seem to get
any response or control of Feedback.  Is there some other configuration
item that I am missing?  Is this not a good choice for a pedal?  What am
I doing wrong?

Thanks,

M. Steven Ginn

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I think you might need an Expression pedal like the
boss EV5 
correct me if i am wrong but you are using a volume
pedal,right?
Another alternative is to get a midi pedal which has
expression pedals built in  like the Behringer 1010.
good luck
Louie




> I have connected a BOSS FV-50L pedal with a mono
> cable coming from Out 1
> to the Feedback jack on my EDP.  For some reason, I
> don't seem to get
> any response or control of Feedback.  Is there some
> other configuration
> item that I am missing?  Is this not a good choice
> for a pedal?  What am
> I doing wrong?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> M. Steven Ginn
> 
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> 
> Listen to the music.
> Purchase the CD
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> 9/11 Relief Fund
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> 


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At 8:23 AM -0500 9/16/02, M. Steven Ginn wrote:
>I have connected a BOSS FV-50L pedal with a mono cable coming from Out 1
>to the Feedback jack on my EDP.  For some reason, I don't seem to get
>any response or control of Feedback.  Is there some other configuration
>item that I am missing?  Is this not a good choice for a pedal?  What am
>I doing wrong?

You are not connecting the pedal properly. You either have to use an 
expression pedal, the kind with an attached TRS cable, or you have to 
use an "insert" cable with your FV-50L.

One end of the insert cable has a TRS (stereo) plug and the other end 
has a pair of mono plugs. Plug the TRS end into the feedback jack and 
plug the mono ends into the input and output jacks on the pedal.

To understand why this works, and why using a mono cable doesn't 
work, you must know that the feedback jack supplies a DC voltage to 
the ring of the plug that is plugged into it, and this voltage is 
scaled by the potentiometer in the pedal and then returned to the tip 
of the plug. You need to use a cable that will feed the signal from 
the ring through the pot and back to the tip. A mono cable won't do 
that.

You can also build a cable with an assortment of adapters, but this 
will be less reliable.
-- 

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i connect my fv-50L with a ono cable to the feedback jack and it works =
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> At 8:23 AM -0500 9/16/02, M. Steven Ginn wrote:
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On Mon, 16 Sep 2002 PJBMHB@aol.com wrote:

> Howdy Fellow Loopers and Loopees,
>                                                        Anyone try or buy one 
> of these puppies? I got one a couple days ago and am having a blast w/ it in 
> conjunction w/ my Line6 Dl4. It is basically a lo-fi looper that can loop up 
> to 20 seconds of grungy analog audio. Very fun. Has depth and speed controls 
> for added weirdness.                                          =-) PJ

Got one when it came out earlier this year: I found it interesting and 
cool. Doesn't do sound-on-sound looping, but it's the size of a cellphone 
and 20 seconds is long enough to do interesting rhythms with. The built-in 
tremelo is useful, and the tone control can be tweaked during playback 
from not altered much to an almost synth-like tone. I've found it useful. 
I pack it with my Stick & headphone amp for practice purposes if I'm 
travelling, and it's part of my effects I perform with (along with a 
Headrush: I haven't used the Repeater out yet although that's likely to 
change at the end of this month, and I'm saving for an EDP). 

(I'll forestall the almost inevitable "where do I find info on this?" and 
include the link now :) )

http://www.zvex.com/junky.html

best,
Steve Burnett


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At 4:13 PM +0100 9/16/02, one less than none wrote:
>i connect my fv-50L with a ono cable to the feedback jack and it works fine
>i also use out 1

In that case the EDP must be wired differently from most of the 
devices I'm familiar with. I know that there are expression pedals 
with 2-conductor cables and TS plugs, such as the Line6  EX1. In this 
case the CV would be attached to the sleeve and returned to the tip.

This dual wiring standard is one of the biggest small problems I've 
encountered recently, and there's much confusion about it. There has 
been an extensive discussion of this on the Eventide Helps list, 
since Harmonizers take the TRS type but many people are using mono 
volume pedals as controllers. In that case the wiring method I 
described works, but a mono pedal with a mono cable will not.

It would be helpful if people here would report what they know 
concerning which devices require which type of pedal/cable 
combination.
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> The EDP has more gain range available than most processors because it was
> designed to handle a wide range of input signals, not just line level. We
> wanted people to be able to plug a guitar or even a microphone directly
> into it without needing a preamp, in addition to directly supporting line
> level signals.

I have an old unit, and I really love having plenty of input gain available.
I don't see what problem everyone is having!  I frequently plug in a mic
directly into my echoplex, and then turn around and plug a line level signal
in.  Just figure out where to put the knob and leave it there, so what if
its at 7:00 and you don't think this is right - if it sounds good go for it.
This flexibility is nice.
Jon

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At 06:23 AM 9/16/2002, M. Steven Ginn wrote:
>I have connected a BOSS FV-50L pedal with a mono cable coming from Out 1
>to the Feedback jack on my EDP.  For some reason, I don't seem to get
>any response or control of Feedback.  Is there some other configuration
>item that I am missing?  Is this not a good choice for a pedal?  What am
>I doing wrong?

that pedal is a good choice. Make sure you adjust the little knob on the 
side of the pedal down to 0. there is more information here:
http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html

also, make sure you understand what feedback control does and how it works:
http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ8.html

the faq has more info on using a pedal at the bottom.

kim




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At 07:14 AM 9/16/2002, Louie Angulo wrote:

>I think you might need an Expression pedal like the
>boss EV5
>correct me if i am wrong

you are wrong.

>but you are using a volume
>pedal,right?

which is correct.

>Another alternative is to get a midi pedal which has
>expression pedals built in  like the Behringer 1010.

or any source of midi continuous controllers. However, there are some 
things that can only be done with the pedal, especially some of the new 
interface modes in LoopIV.

kim


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At 07:49 AM 9/16/2002, Richard Zvonar wrote:
>At 8:23 AM -0500 9/16/02, M. Steven Ginn wrote:
>>I have connected a BOSS FV-50L pedal with a mono cable coming from Out 1
>>to the Feedback jack on my EDP.  For some reason, I don't seem to get
>>any response or control of Feedback.  Is there some other configuration
>>item that I am missing?  Is this not a good choice for a pedal?  What am
>>I doing wrong?
>
>You are not connecting the pedal properly. You either have to use an 
>expression pedal, the kind with an attached TRS cable, or you have to use 
>an "insert" cable with your FV-50L.

no, that is not correct. Ha! caught Richard not checking his facts. :-)

The way Steven is connecting the pedal is correct. We used the volume pedal 
control method for two reasons: we figured many customers would be guitar 
players who would already own volume pedals, and because it allows you to 
use any available mono patch cord for convenience of replacement and 
convenience of cable length.

>One end of the insert cable has a TRS (stereo) plug and the other end has 
>a pair of mono plugs. Plug the TRS end into the feedback jack and plug the 
>mono ends into the input and output jacks on the pedal.
>
>To understand why this works, and why using a mono cable doesn't work, you 
>must know that the feedback jack supplies a DC voltage to the ring of the 
>plug that is plugged into it, and this voltage is scaled by the 
>potentiometer in the pedal and then returned to the tip of the plug. You 
>need to use a cable that will feed the signal from the ring through the 
>pot and back to the tip. A mono cable won't do that.

no, that is not how the EDP feedback jack works. It just uses the 
resistance between the sleeve and the tip on the output of a volume pedal. 
It only requires an ordinary mono cable.

kim


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San Francisco Found Object Festival

Please bring objects from home. Avant-garde, experimental and/or electronic 
musicians will spontaneously create music using only items submitted by the 
audience for sound sources.

2 nights - 2 venues:

Thursday, 9/19 8pm
509 Cultural Center
509 Ellis Street (at Leavenworth)
415-440-5090
San Francisco
$6-10

Featuring local experimental music hero Ernesto Diaz-Infante, the improv 
ensemble SKIZMZ, Avant-garde percussionist Moe! Staiano, thoughtful noise 
musician v.v., and Audiosports, an electronic music project.


Friday, 9/20 8pm
964 Natoma Street (between 10th and 11th)
San Francisco
415-487-9439
$6-10

Featuring found object looping pioneer Rick Walker (Loop.pooL), percussion 
prodigy Jon Wagner, sonic structuralist Jeremiah Moore, improvising 
electronic musician Mark Sottilaro, and the organizer, Matt Davignon.


For more information, contact Matt Davignon at 510-268-8213.

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My god, that sounds like an amazing gig!! Can you bring the show to
London??? :o)

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see website for dates.

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> San Francisco Found Object Festival
>
> Please bring objects from home. Avant-garde, experimental and/or
electronic
> musicians will spontaneously create music using only items submitted by
the
> audience for sound sources.
>
> 2 nights - 2 venues:
>
> Thursday, 9/19 8pm
> 509 Cultural Center
> 509 Ellis Street (at Leavenworth)
> 415-440-5090
> San Francisco
> $6-10
>
> Featuring local experimental music hero Ernesto Diaz-Infante, the improv
> ensemble SKIZMZ, Avant-garde percussionist Moe! Staiano, thoughtful noise
> musician v.v., and Audiosports, an electronic music project.
>
>
> Friday, 9/20 8pm
> 964 Natoma Street (between 10th and 11th)
> San Francisco
> 415-487-9439
> $6-10
>
> Featuring found object looping pioneer Rick Walker (Loop.pooL), percussion
> prodigy Jon Wagner, sonic structuralist Jeremiah Moore, improvising
> electronic musician Mark Sottilaro, and the organizer, Matt Davignon.
>
>
> For more information, contact Matt Davignon at 510-268-8213.
>
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Friday, September 20. 8pm-12am. FREE. All Ages.The Rotunda: 4012 Walnut
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Hey All: On Friday, September 20, the experimental/ambient/ethereal music
& 

performance series 


Gate to Moonbase Alpha(GTMBA), returns from its summer sleep. Please
attend!


Friday, September 20. 8pm-12am. FREE. All Ages.The Rotunda: 4012 Walnut


Street, Philadelphia 

http://www.foundationarts.org


215-573-3234


*The performers are: *Arco Flute Foundation, The Complex, Anti:Clockwise, and 

Krimpets[puppet show].


ARCO FLUTE FOUNDATION is a collective of ambient/noise/spacerock weirdos. 

Electronics, tuned percussion + atmospheric stringed instruments combine over 

an edgy rock foundation that builds slowly evolving melodies, soars to the 

nose bleed section, & then plummets quickly through the floor. 

http://www.cenotaph.org


THE COMPLEX: Swirly, psychedelic, ethereal, art noise. drum + guitars, 

sampling modules, processors, numerous effects & expression 

pedals...Influences incl. Aphex Twin, My Bloody Valentine, Air, & the Flaming 

Lips. http://www.mp3.com/thecomplexinc.


ANTI:CLOCKWISE: Guitar, bass, a turntable, a cassette machine, a CD player, + 

9-volt stompboxes make sound collages in a style the artist calls "uglient," 

which is the melding of the carefully chosen & wantonly blurted out, thrown 

together by misshapen fate or lackluster luck. Lead by Robert of Tono 

Bungay. http://www.tensionheadache.org


KRIMPETS: Lost in Space Movies. Join the Krimpet Puppets as they are joined 

by Ken Gregory (Guitar) + Lear Blitstein(Sax). This starts with video 

projections (of mostly bad space movies) & improv music + dialogue. (Imagine 

Mystery Science Theater 3000 w/live musicians). http://www.gypsyboots.org 

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At 10:22 AM -0700 9/16/02, Kim Flint wrote:

>no, that is not correct. Ha! caught Richard not checking his facts. :-)

Yep.

>no, that is not how the EDP feedback jack works. It just uses the 
>resistance between the sleeve and the tip on the output of a volume 
>pedal. It only requires an ordinary mono cable.

I've just been through an enormous hassle on this topic. It started 
when an Eventide DSP4000 owner I know bought a volume pedal and a 
Digitech FS300 in order to control her Harmonizer. She bought them 
mail order after consulting with that vendors "sales tech." Neither 
controller worked. Since I'm an Eventide user I loaned her a couple 
of my controllers (an Ensoniq CV pedal and a Lexicon dual foot 
switch) and I started researching what was available.

I found that there is almost no product information that specifies 
whether a pedal or a device to be controlled uses a TRS or a TS 
connection. What I ended up doing, at least for on-line research) was 
to find hi-rez pictures of the pedals in order to look at the 1/4" 
plug. In many cases I could then determine whether the pedal was 
wired with two or three conductors.

I've now learned that it's always wrong to assume anything. I don't 
have an EDP so I couldn't check it out directly. I assumed it was 
designed similarly to the equipment I do have. Wrong!

I think it  would be generally useful to compile a list of which 
common pedals and which common devices are TS and which are TRS.

Here's my (hastily compiled) list. For those pieces of gear I have on 
hand I checked the voltage between ring and sleeve by plugging a TRS 
cable into the pedal jack on a number of devices. Otherwise I went by 
(minimally available) company-provided specs, hearsay, and pictures 
of the 1/4" jacks.

TRS:
Eventide, Roland, Kurzweil, Yamaha, Big Briar, E-mu, Lexicon

TS:
Gibson EDP, Line6, Rolls, Lake Butler, Digitech, Digital Music, E-mu
-- 

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Kim,

Can the EDP Feedback be controlled via midi such as an Expression
connected to PMC10 (under Loop III), or is it strictly through the jack
on the back of the EDP?  If it can be controlled via midi, is the
response any different between analog or midi control?

Thanks,
Steve

> or any source of midi continuous controllers. However, there are some 
> things that can only be done with the pedal, especially some 
> of the new 
> interface modes in LoopIV.
> 
> kim

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actually, i've been wondering about this too.
matthias has said in past messages that the edp uses an 8-bit (0-256) value for the feedback pedal,
but the midi continuous controller for feedback on the edp is 7-bit (0-127).

also, the some of the new features treat the front panel separately from the pedal.
which one does midi control in these cases?  it seems like you (kim) might be saying that 
midi feedback control always directly sets feedback regardless of mode.



> Kim,
> 
> Can the EDP Feedback be controlled via midi such as an Expression
> connected to PMC10 (under Loop III), or is it strictly through the jack
> on the back of the EDP?  If it can be controlled via midi, is the
> response any different between analog or midi control?
> 
> Thanks,
> Steve
> 
> > or any source of midi continuous controllers. However, there are some 
> > things that can only be done with the pedal, especially some 
> > of the new 
> > interface modes in LoopIV.
> > 
> > kim
> 

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Hi all--
I have been using MIDI with the PMC to control feedback for quite some time
and notice no discrepancy--however, I have not ventured into the other Loop
IV modes that require the pedal to be plugged in directly either.  What I
have found with Loop IV is that I was already employing some of its features
using the advanced MIDI features of the PMC with Loop III.  There are some
really cool things, however, that are only available with Loop IV.  BTW, I
am using Boss FV-60 pedals (two of 'em ) with the PMC, and still have a
FV-50 to use directly with the EDP (should the need arise).
Gary
PS  I have recently upgraded my Ztar with the new ZPC software; it includes
a looping sequencer--sends clock too, although the BPM is fixed, not
"dynamically allocated" according to loop length (fuck!).  I will share more
as I discover more; but I took it to a gig and everything seemed to work
fine, so I am happy to publicly announce its existence.  I assume all new
units are shipping with it.
G
PPS  Hey I just thought of something!  I can automate the EDP recording by
playing back a drum sequence in the Ztar, and adding note on commands for
the EDP, then play 'em back from the Ztar.  I'll try that soon and see if
that pops any chakras.
Gary

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Kim,

Can the EDP Feedback be controlled via midi such as an Expression
connected to PMC10 (under Loop III), or is it strictly through the jack
on the back of the EDP?  If it can be controlled via midi, is the
response any different between analog or midi control?

Thanks,
Steve

> or any source of midi continuous controllers. However, there are some
> things that can only be done with the pedal, especially some
> of the new
> interface modes in LoopIV.
>
> kim

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i used the boss pedal for a few days before i got fed up with its unnatural
feel and very small travel.  plus i have size 13 feet and that pedal is
tiny.  i now use ernie ball pedals exclusively.

i think the parameter you'll want to watch is "feedback cont" on the front
panel.

-jim


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Hey y'all,

Come experience sserendipity.

I'm playing tonight, starting at 10pmm, at 26mix (26th and mission). Chapman
stick, Sequencizer, Loops, all accompanied by the genuine analog synth
stylings of my keyboardmate: JON.

http://www.26mix.com

bIz

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It's probably just where the knobs have been put onto the pots. This is done
by eye, as there are no 'flats' on the pots. Check to see if the knobs on
both units are in exactly the same position when at zero. If they are not,
just pull one set off and align with the other unit.
The resistors used in the Gibson EDPs are 1% tolerance, unlike all previous
manufacture that used 5% tolerance so there should be very little difference
in input/output sensitivity between any that were made in the UK.
I mentioned before that a UK customer brought in a '95 Oberheim and a '01
Gibson EDP as they had vastly different input signals, (I'm talking nearly
90 degrees). Turned out to be wrong value pots in the original '95 unit and
this went unnoticed until he bought a second unit years later. I've only
seen this problem with one unit, but there maybe more, circa 1995.


---Original Message-----
From: jimfowler [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net]
Sent: 16 September 2002 02:36
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Subject: Re: EDP Input (was: Re: Next loop copy question)

i keep my new gibson edp's input no higher than 11:00 and the output is
about 5:00.  what's odd is that the units are relatively the same age (both
gibsons bought new from altomusic within 4 months of each other) and they
both receive identical signals but one is just a touch more sensitive.  it's
not a problem at all, but i wonder about the consistency of the units.

-jim

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Hello folks,

Does Matthias Grob' last name rhyme with "Robe" or "Rob"?

Asking so I don't mis-pronounce his name for potential posterity...

Thanks,

--On Draye Laugh Auce

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This info is very welcome--I introduced Andre to Candy as "lah foss say".
Oh well . . .
Gay Relay Man

-----Original Message-----
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Hello folks,

Does Matthias Grob' last name rhyme with "Robe" or "Rob"?

Asking so I don't mis-pronounce his name for potential posterity...

Thanks,

--On Draye Laugh Auce

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High frequencies clip easier on the EDP.  Turn the input gain down
until the distortion goes away.  Changing the resistors on the input
will only change the position of the knop required to get the proper
signal to the edp.  If you turn your input knob down, it can reduce the
input signal to an appropriate level.  Resistor change is not
necessary, but it may make you feel better about the knob position. 
You can also reposition the know on the potentiometer shaft to point
however you want, if that matters to you.  This input control is just a
voltage divider, absolute position should not matter as long as you
have the range you need for your inputs.
bret
--- Louie Angulo  wrote:
> sorry i meant increasing the tolerance of the input or
>  decreasing the sensitivity
> I am curious how  far do you have the input normally
> set? i have it at about 11 o´clock and it still clips.
> I am running a roland preamp into it but i also own a
> boomerang which hardly ever clips.It is specially
> sensitive with bright tones.
> cheers
> lou
> 
> 
>  that doesn't make sense. if you are clipping the
> > input of the EDP, you want 
> > less gain on the EDP input, not more. Turn down the
> > EDP input knob to where 
> > it doesn't clip. Or use normal line level outs from
> > the guitar stuff. If 
> > you are running the loop output back into the same
> > guitar amp you are 
> > otherwise playing through, expect it to sound like
> > mush anyway. You are 
> > much better off running the loops through a clean PA
> > type system.
> > kim
> > 
> > 
> >
>
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Test

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Test.. Test...

-see pee are
>-- Original Message --
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>Test
>


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<< However, there are some things that can only be done with the pedal,
especially some of the new interface modes in LoopIV.>>

i was wondering about this.  why did you guys make it so the feedback pedal
is necessary for some of the new modes in loopIV?  shouldn't there be a way
to do it with two pedals thru midi?  for instance, there are two pedals on
the fcb1010; it would be nice if i could just use these two instead of
having to go get another pedal for the feedback jack.  ya know?

dp




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dp wrote:

> why did you guys make it so the feedback pedal
> is necessary for some of the new modes in loopIV?  shouldn't there be a way
> to do it with two pedals thru midi? 

My guess (and only a guess, I hasten to add) would be: there's no
parameter available for assigning Input volume (crucial to Input and
Flip modes, among others) to a MIDI CC number, as there is for Feedback
and Output volume...

--Andre

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altruist@earthlink.net writes:

>Does Matthias Grob' last name rhyme with "Robe" or "Rob"?
..... i think it's more like 'robe', but with a slightly softened 'o' --- 
kinda between 'robe' and 'strawb'.
tschuss,
herr schplattercel

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<>

ya, but check out replaceMode.  the external pedal controls both output
volume and feedback.  i tried to do this via midi by setting the VolumeCont
and FeedBkCont to the same cc value, but i couldn't get it to work.  maybe
i'm doing something wrong.  maybe i'm asking for too much.


dp


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     Sounds like a tour should be scehduled! Maybe you can record these 
performances and sell CDs. If it wasn't for the little matter of about 3000 
miles, I would definitely attend. 
     Marc

In a message dated 9/16/2002 2:49:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes:


> My god, that sounds like an amazing gig!! Can you bring the show to
> London??? :o)
> 
> Steve
> www.steve-lawson.co.uk - currently on tour with 21st Century Schizoid Band 
> -
> see website for dates.


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     Sounds like a tour should be scehduled! Maybe you can record these performances and sell CDs. If it wasn't for the little matter of about 3000 miles, I would definitely attend. 

     Marc



In a message dated 9/16/2002 2:49:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes:






My god, that sounds like an amazing gig!! Can you bring the show to

London??? :o)



Steve

www.steve-lawson.co.uk - currently on tour with 21st Century Schizoid Band -

see website for dates.





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Ohboy am I slow, but I did get my chips (definitely what Zachary uses) from
Digi-Key recently and will be (slowly) trying to work these things into a
Low Fi Looper Something Or Other.

Have searched the web hoping for a Z-Vex Lo Fi Looper schematic, to no
avail.  Am wondering how he gets the modulation.  Anyone with a clue please
drop me a line?

BTW, any LFL owner just *may* be able to increase their fidelity a hair by
replacing the 2.7 kHz chip with a 3.2 kHz version (*way* longer sample times
available, too), if Z. has used a socket--though that may be unlikely...


David Lee Myers
http://www.pulsewidth.com


on 9/16/02 11:31 AM, burnett@pobox.com at burnett@pobox.com wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Sep 2002 PJBMHB@aol.com wrote:
> 
>> Howdy Fellow Loopers and Loopees,
>> Anyone try or buy one
>> of these puppies? I got one a couple days ago and am having a blast w/ it in
>> conjunction w/ my Line6 Dl4. It is basically a lo-fi looper that can loop up
>> to 20 seconds of grungy analog audio. Very fun. Has depth and speed controls
>> for added weirdness.                                          =-) PJ
> 
> Got one when it came out earlier this year: I found it interesting and
> cool. Doesn't do sound-on-sound looping, but it's the size of a cellphone
> and 20 seconds is long enough to do interesting rhythms with. The built-in
> tremelo is useful, and the tone control can be tweaked during playback
> from not altered much to an almost synth-like tone. I've found it useful.
> I pack it with my Stick & headphone amp for practice purposes if I'm
> travelling, and it's part of my effects I perform with (along with a
> Headrush: I haven't used the Repeater out yet although that's likely to
> change at the end of this month, and I'm saving for an EDP).
> 
> (I'll forestall the almost inevitable "where do I find info on this?" and
> include the link now :) )
> 
> http://www.zvex.com/junky.html
> 
> best,
> Steve Burnett
> 
> 

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Hey Gang,

If you're still looking for the coveted Repeater, I saw one over the weekend
at Bananas At Large in San Rafael, CA over the weekend.  I think they want
$575 for it.  Talk to our list member Rik, who's a very loop savy salesman.

for more info:

http://bananas.com/bananas/jsp/sp0.jsp

Mark Sottilaro

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Yeah, that's the way I was doing it in Loop III--PMC-10 sending CCs for FB
and Volume--
Gary

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the external pedal controls both output volume and feedback.  i tried to do
this via midi by setting the VolumeCont
and FeedBkCont to the same cc value, but i couldn't get it to work.  maybe
i'm doing something wrong.  maybe i'm asking for too much.


dp


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In a message dated 9/16/02 2:49:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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> My god, that sounds like an amazing gig!! 

matt.....are you going to record these events? it should be 
wonderful!.....wiwt.....michael

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In a message dated 9/16/02 2:49:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes:






My god, that sounds like an amazing gig!! 




matt.....are you going to record these events? it should be wonderful!.....wiwt.....michael

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  But Bret, we made such an insanely mind-numbingly earth-shattering noise
yesterday that ya couldn't tell that it was distorted sometimes!
lollollol!  

Smiles,

CQ

At 02:49 PM 9/16/02 -0700, you wrote:
>High frequencies clip easier on the EDP.  Turn the input gain down
>until the distortion goes away.  Changing the resistors on the input
>will only change the position of the knop required to get the proper
>signal to the edp.  If you turn your input knob down, it can reduce the
>input signal to an appropriate level.  Resistor change is not
>necessary, but it may make you feel better about the knob position. 
>You can also reposition the know on the potentiometer shaft to point
>however you want, if that matters to you.  This input control is just a
>voltage divider, absolute position should not matter as long as you
>have the range you need for your inputs.
>bret
>--- Louie Angulo  wrote:
>> sorry i meant increasing the tolerance of the input or
>>  decreasing the sensitivity
>> I am curious how  far do you have the input normally
>> set? i have it at about 11 o´clock and it still clips.
>> I am running a roland preamp into it but i also own a
>> boomerang which hardly ever clips.It is specially
>> sensitive with bright tones.
>> cheers
>> lou
>> 
>> 
>>  that doesn't make sense. if you are clipping the
>> > input of the EDP, you want 
>> > less gain on the EDP input, not more. Turn down the
>> > EDP input knob to where 
>> > it doesn't clip. Or use normal line level outs from
>> > the guitar stuff. If 
>> > you are running the loop output back into the same
>> > guitar amp you are 
>> > otherwise playing through, expect it to sound like
>> > mush anyway. You are 
>> > much better off running the loops through a clean PA
>> > type system.
>> > kim
>> > 
>> > 
>> >
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 Hi,

 
here are some gigs I am playing using loops!!! now if I could only play somewhere else besides my hometown of Bloomington,IN hah.........groan......... by the way, anyone on the list in the Chicago area? I will be there OCT 1 to Oct 10 and am ligning up gigs there. Any loopers on the list in or near Chicago,IL? Maybe come out and play or can recommend some places to play?
Let me know.
thanks
Denis

Denis taaffe
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Newly Listed on short notice!!! Runciple Spoon, Bloomington, IN Saturday September 21th,2002 7:00pm

Denis will play regular guitar and guitar loops done on the fly at this venue. This is a small Low Key outdoor show, Denis will play regular guitar and guitar loops done on the fly. Denis will play more atmospheric guitar and loops at this show. It was added on very short notice !!!

Newly Listed on short notice!!! Soma, Bloomington, IN Friday September 27th,2002 8:00pm

this concert will take place outdoors and Denis will perform material from his upcoming CD and improvised compositions using guitar and guitar loops done on the fly. Due to a street festival in front of this venue this gig was rescheduled. It was to take place in August, but is now moved to September 27th!!!. 

Runciple Spoon, Bloomington, IN Saturday September 28th,2002 7:00pm

Denis will play regular guitar and guitar loops done on the fly at this venue. This is a small Low Key outdoor show, Denis will play regular guitar and guitar loops done on the fly. Denis will play more atmospheric guitar and loops at this show. 

Runciple Spoon, Bloomington, IN Friday October 11th,2002 7:00pm

Denis will play regular guitar and guitar loops done on the fly at this venue. This is a small Low Key outdoor show, Denis will play regular guitar and guitar loops done on the fly. Denis will play more atmospheric guitar and loops at this show. 

 

Soma, Bloomington, IN Friday October 19th, 2002 8:00pm

The last of a series,  this concert will take place outdoors and Denis will perform material from his upcoming CD and improvised compositions using guitar and guitar loops done on the fly. 

Runciple Spoon, Bloomington, IN Friday October 25th,2002 7:00pm

Denis will play regular guitar and guitar loops done on the fly at this venue. This is a small Low Key outdoor show, Denis will play regular guitar and guitar loops done on the fly. Denis will play more atmostpheric guitar and loops at this show. 

  Buskirk Chumbley Theatre, November 22,2002, Bloomington,IN 

Denis will assume guitar duties for the Band Megasphere  as well as open the show with his own solo looping material. As is customary  with Megasphere shows, these shows  are big productions including laser & light show, giant video screens and so on.  

 Buskirk Chumbley Theatre, November 23,2002, Bloomington, IN 

Denis will assume guitar duties for the Band Megasphere  as well as open the show with his own solo looping material. As is customary  with Megasphere shows, these shows  are big productions including laser & light show, giant video screens and so on.  
 

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Dear All,

It's nice to be back on the list after a couple of years with too much other 
stuff to do...  I'm posting to mention to UK-based loopers that anyone 
needing a fully-featured, programmable (to send CCs, patch changes or notes) 
MIDI controller pedal with two CC controllers and 10 selections per bank 
should act NOW as there are a slew of (discontinued) Behringer 1010* floor 
units for about the £100 mark; they have loads in the little shop on Charing 
Cross Road in London (between Denmark St and Oxford St, can't remember the 
name) and I believe a few are being sold in the magazines.

I can confirm that it is tap-compatible, in that hitting button 1 twice will 
produce two MIDI 1 Sends, at least on my JamMan.  Which means I am at last 
freed from the tyranny of the 2-button footswitch, and can actually use the 
damn thing properly at last!

Mike

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Where do I find in the manual, how to set up the EDP so that FB and
Volume are controlled via Midi CC's?

Thanks,
Steve
 
> 
> Yeah, that's the way I was doing it in Loop III--PMC-10 
> sending CCs for FB and Volume-- Gary
> 

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--- Mike Hughes  wrote:

> It's nice to be back on the list after a couple of years with too much other 
> stuff to do...  I'm posting to mention to UK-based loopers that anyone 
> needing a fully-featured, programmable (to send CCs, patch changes or notes) 
> MIDI controller pedal with two CC controllers and 10 selections per bank 
> should act NOW as there are a slew of (discontinued) Behringer 1010* floor 
> units for about the £100 mark; they have loads in the little shop on Charing 
> Cross Road in London (between Denmark St and Oxford St, can't remember the 
> name) and I believe a few are being sold in the magazines.

Woah! Has anyone else heard about this pedal being discontinued? I've been hoping to
get one to control some of my gear, since it seems to offer the most functionality
at the best price of any midi foot controller available today. If it's discontinued,
I'd better jump on it right away.

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Hey gang....
I need a vibrato pedal, possibly with
external control, for a unique purpose.
I'm a guitarist, but I recently purchased
an electric cello.  It is going to be a while
before I learn decent vibrato technique
and I've had this idea that could get me
utilizing the cello in recording a lot sooner.

I want to run the cello's output to a vibrato
pedal that I can control with a small lever
attached to the bow.  I don't know whether
I can get away with controlling only speed
or whether I'd need to control depth as well.
But I was wondering if there might be a pedal
out there that could do the job.  I could even
hack into the rate knob of the pedal and use
a small potentiometer rigged to a lever on
the bow....  or just use the pot/lever as the
pedal for a MIDI controller.  Any ideas
would be appreciated.  I am looking for a
pedal that will give me the most realistic
vibrato effect.
--
gary
@friendlyspider.com

PS:  Ever heard of Hans Reichel ?
Luthier, musician, animator....
This guy is way cool:
http://www.daxo.de/
http://www.yuxo.de/


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have you tried using midi data wheel? ( cc #6)
i haven't, but the manual says the feedback knob value is sent and received as #6...

> < parameter available for assigning Input volume (crucial to Input and Flip
> modes, among others) to a MIDI CC number, as there is for Feedback and
> Output volume...>>
> 
> ya, but check out replaceMode.  the external pedal controls both output
> volume and feedback.  i tried to do this via midi by setting the VolumeCont
> and FeedBkCont to the same cc value, but i couldn't get it to work.  maybe
> i'm doing something wrong.  maybe i'm asking for too much.
> 
> 
> dp
> 
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Thanks my friend that was the explanation i was
looking for
cheers
Lu



>> >High frequencies clip easier on the EDP.  Turn the
> input gain down
> >until the distortion goes away.  Changing the
> resistors on the input
> >will only change the position of the knop required
> to get the proper
> >signal to the edp.  If you turn your input knob
> down, it can reduce the
> >input signal to an appropriate level.  Resistor
> change is not
> >necessary, but it may make you feel better about
> the knob position. 
> >You can also reposition the know on the
> potentiometer shaft to point
> >however you want, if that matters to you.  This
> input control is just a
> >voltage divider, absolute position should not
> matter as long as you
> >have the range you need for your inputs.
> >bret
> >--- Louie Angulo  wrote:
> >> sorry i meant increasing the tolerance of the
> input or
> >>  decreasing the sensitivity
> >> I am curious how  far do you have the input
> normally
> >> set? i have it at about 11 o´clock and it still
> clips.
> >> I am running a roland preamp into it but i also
> own a
> >> boomerang which hardly ever clips.It is specially
> >> sensitive with bright tones.
> >> cheers
> >> lou


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At 12:24 PM 9/16/2002, M. Steven Ginn wrote:
>Kim,
>
>Can the EDP Feedback be controlled via midi such as an Expression
>connected to PMC10 (under Loop III), or is it strictly through the jack
>on the back of the EDP?

I think I answered that in the text you quoted from me below... yes, 
feedback can be controlled by midi continuous controller. See the Midi 
parameters on the front panel of the EDP? there is one called "FeedBkCont" 
which means "FeedBack Controller". This sets the cc number that controls 
feedback. It is also explained in the manual.

>If it can be controlled via midi, is the
>response any different between analog or midi control?

no. well theoretically you should get slightly better resolution from the 
analog control versus midi, since midi has 7 bits of resolution and the 
analog has 8. But in practice I've never been able to tell the difference.

kim

> > or any source of midi continuous controllers. However, there are some
> > things that can only be done with the pedal, especially some
> > of the new
> > interface modes in LoopIV.
> >
> > kim

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the FeedBkCont section is on page 4-18.

At 05:17 AM 9/17/2002, M. Steven Ginn wrote:
>Where do I find in the manual, how to set up the EDP so that FB and
>Volume are controlled via Midi CC's?
>
>Thanks,
>Steve
>
> >
> > Yeah, that's the way I was doing it in Loop III--PMC-10
> > sending CCs for FB and Volume-- Gary
> >

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With all due respect, I'd suggest practicing wiggling your wrist.

I don't say this from any sort of acoustic chastity, at all. In fact, 
some of my best friends are bowed strings played through pitch 
shifters. I built an electric 'cello in 1979 and still play the 
electric contrabass I made in 1977, through every Harmonizer(tm)-like 
device I can lay my clumsy hands on. I've programmed triggerable, 
randomized envelopes for depth and rate, and used weird MIDI pedals 
that output their rate of change as well as their x-y position to 
control the best Eventide algorithms.

I love the variety of textures and timbres that can be discovered 
down this instrumentation avenue, but I have never achieved a 
"realistic" vibrato effect. Maybe I'm a little picky, having spent a 
few years as sound guy for the Kronos Quartet, but for what it's 
worth, my advice is use the effects for what they are, not for what 
they might be like.

-Alex S.


At 9:27 AM -0500 9/17/02, Gary Phillips wrote:
>Hey gang....
>I need a vibrato pedal, possibly with
>external control, for a unique purpose.
>I'm a guitarist, but I recently purchased
>an electric cello.  It is going to be a while
>before I learn decent vibrato technique
>and I've had this idea that could get me
>utilizing the cello in recording a lot sooner.
>
>I want to run the cello's output to a vibrato
>pedal that I can control with a small lever
>attached to the bow.  I don't know whether
>I can get away with controlling only speed
>or whether I'd need to control depth as well.
>But I was wondering if there might be a pedal
>out there that could do the job.  I could even
>hack into the rate knob of the pedal and use
>a small potentiometer rigged to a lever on
>the bow....  or just use the pot/lever as the
>pedal for a MIDI controller.  Any ideas
>would be appreciated.  I am looking for a
>pedal that will give me the most realistic
>vibrato effect.
>--
>gary
>@friendlyspider.com
>
>PS:  Ever heard of Hans Reichel ?
>Luthier, musician, animator....
>This guy is way cool:
>http://www.daxo.de/
>http://www.yuxo.de/

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At 05:06 PM 9/16/2002, dp wrote:

andre wrote:
><parameter available for assigning Input volume (crucial to Input and Flip
>modes, among others) to a MIDI CC number, as there is for Feedback and
>Output volume...>>

that is correct. the input volume to the loop happens to be only an analog 
control, although the control routing can be configured from the digital 
side. That's how the hardware was designed long ago when we only used this 
for delay mode and figured the analog control gave better volume swells 
then the zippery digital control.

In LoopIV we came up with these nifty ideas for how the front panel 
feedback knob and the rear feedback pedal control could be routed in 
different ways. These resulted in the cool InterfaceModes. In some cases 
you could duplicate them with clever midi programming. But unfortunately in 
cases where input volume to the loop is controlled, you cannot.

Midi control is independent of interface mode. A midi cc for feedback will 
always control feedback the same way.

>ya, but check out replaceMode.  the external pedal controls both output
>volume and feedback.  i tried to do this via midi by setting the VolumeCont
>and FeedBkCont to the same cc value, but i couldn't get it to work.  maybe
>i'm doing something wrong.  maybe i'm asking for too much.

Set them to two different cc numbers, and then have your expression pedal 
send both cc's. That will let you do the same thing ReplaceMode does.

It doesn't work to set FeedBkCont and VolumeCont parameters on the Echoplex 
to the same value. The incoming cc will only be applied to one, and for the 
Echoplex feedback will override loop volume.

kim



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Hi Michael,
sorry, but I still can't post it directly to your address, so i make it
public:

this was the reply couldn't get through...


Hi Michael,
> > Hi Luca!  Thanks for the great info.  I have a question, though.  I'm
not
> > sure how to use the inserts to get a signal w/o having a signal going
into
> > the channel of the insert, first.  Something has to provide signal to
the
> > insert, yes/no?
the inset you find in these mixers (i'm sure about the allen&heath, don't
know about mackies, but it is a very common feature) is designed to put a
stereo cable in it: the end of this stereo cable is divided into two mono
jacks: one is a "send" and the other one a "return". This is done to allow
you to put a dedicated compressor/eq into each single channel, after its
preamp.
BUT, if you put a mono jack with your signal coming from the preamp and you
insert it NOT completely, you are using it just as return. In other words,
you are going into that channel strip bypassing its preamp; this is exactly
what i've been doing for a lot of time and should solve your tone preserving
needs.

> > What i want to do is use the guitar amp's pre amp (effects) send,  and
go
> > into the mixer while bypassing the mixer preamps. Then, somehow send
signal
> > to various effects after/bypassing the mixer preamp stages.
> >
> > Then, return the mixer outputs into the effects loop returns of two
amps,
> > thus creating a stereo spread.
A very important thing is: you have your "dry" mother signal on channel 1,
then you have different auxes to work on (i choosed allen & heath because it
is having 6 auxes that can be switched pre/post fader).
Use each aux couple to feed each stereo processor inputs.
BUT, don't put these effects' outputs into the aux returns: their outputs
should go into different channels.
Why ?
Because in this way you can send effects outputs into other effects' inputs.
This opens up a wide range of possibilities.... did you follow me ?
I know it is sometimes difficult to explane this routings in words, tell me
if i haven't been clear enough.
Plus, if you run out of auxes,you can start using the groups' sends to act
as semi-auxes.

Let me know if it works,
my best,
luca

>

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as the fdb ped is a control voltage type  may it be possible to use some midi to
CV converter ????

just guessing


CV




> At 05:06 PM 9/16/2002, dp wrote:
>
> andre wrote:
> >< >parameter available for assigning Input volume (crucial to Input and Flip
> >modes, among others) to a MIDI CC number, as there is for Feedback and
> >Output volume...>>
>
> that is correct. the input volume to the loop happens to be only an analog
> control, although the control routing can be configured from the digital
> side. That's how the hardware was designed long ago when we only used this
> for delay mode and figured the analog control gave better volume swells
> then the zippery digital control.
>
> In LoopIV we came up with these nifty ideas for how the front panel
> feedback knob and the rear feedback pedal control could be routed in
> different ways. These resulted in the cool InterfaceModes. In some cases
> you could duplicate them with clever midi programming. But unfortunately in
> cases where input volume to the loop is controlled, you cannot.
>
> Midi control is independent of interface mode. A midi cc for feedback will
> always control feedback the same way.
>
> >ya, but check out replaceMode.  the external pedal controls both output
> >volume and feedback.  i tried to do this via midi by setting the VolumeCont
> >and FeedBkCont to the same cc value, but i couldn't get it to work.  maybe
> >i'm doing something wrong.  maybe i'm asking for too much.
>
> Set them to two different cc numbers, and then have your expression pedal
> send both cc's. That will let you do the same thing ReplaceMode does.
>
> It doesn't work to set FeedBkCont and VolumeCont parameters on the Echoplex
> to the same value. The incoming cc will only be applied to one, and for the
> Echoplex feedback will override loop volume.
>
> kim
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
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>
>

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The datawheel function in LoopIV is only meaningful in parameter editing. 
In other words, the datawheel midi cc is sent from the knob only when you 
are actually editing a parameter that let's you use the knob to set it's 
value, and it is only received when editing such a parameter. It isn't sent 
or received in play mode. It is mainly useful when two units are paired 
together and you are using one of them to set parameters on both. This cc 
let's the parameter editing be completely identical.
kim


At 08:55 AM 9/17/2002, jim palmer wrote:
>have you tried using midi data wheel? ( cc #6)
>i haven't, but the manual says the feedback knob value is sent and 
>received as #6...
>
> > < > parameter available for assigning Input volume (crucial to Input and Flip
> > modes, among others) to a MIDI CC number, as there is for Feedback and
> > Output volume...>>
> >
> > ya, but check out replaceMode.  the external pedal controls both output
> > volume and feedback.  i tried to do this via midi by setting the VolumeCont
> > and FeedBkCont to the same cc value, but i couldn't get it to work.  maybe
> > i'm doing something wrong.  maybe i'm asking for too much.

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I'm biased, because I'm a cellist, but I'm sure that no vibrato pedal will really duplicate the sound of real vibrato.  Part of the sound of the vibrato is that the rate and depth isn't constant.  It's changing constantly, based on a myriad of factors.  You could spend a ton of effort and time trying to duplicate this effect, or you could just practice doing it the right way and come up with something that sounds a lot better pretty quickly.

Just curious, which cello did you buy?

   Kevin


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> >If it can be controlled via midi, is the
>  >response any different between analog or midi control?
>  
>  no. well theoretically you should get slightly better resolution from the 
>  analog control versus midi, since midi has 7 bits of resolution and the 
>  analog has 8. But in practice I've never been able to tell the difference.
>  
>  kim
> 

actually the MIDI control of feedback seems smoother.
The analog feedback is only checked every so often, so
you get stepping with a quick change.
(Less in Loop4, since Matthias did some extra smoothing)
With a MIDI controller the FB is changed with every instruction
sent/received, which seems to be more often, so the result
can actually be better.


The reason you "need" an analog FB pedal for the EDP is indeed
(as someone said I think) is that the Input Volume only 
works on analog. This is a restriction of the hardware, but you
get analog swells which is nice.

Using MIDI controllers:-
when you  set FeedbkCont and VolumeCont params to the 
same CC you lose the volume control.

To emulate ReplaceMode in Loop3 use 2 midi pedals 
close together (like on the FCB1010) and place your
foot to work both at the same time.(different CCs)

Using 2 midi pedals and one analog with Loop4 in InputMode you have all
possibilities available.

andy butler
  





 

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> I can confirm that it is tap-compatible, in that hitting button 1 twice w=
>  ill=20
>  produce two MIDI 1 Sends, at least on my JamMan.  Which means I am at las=
>  t=20
>  freed from the tyranny of the 2-button footswitch, and can actually use t=
>  he=20

Hi Mike,
How'd ya know the FCB1010 is discontinued?

...and beware using MIDI control on a JamMan, there's
a delay.
(you'll be back to the 2-button when you find it)

andy butler 

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Its ashame that the Behringer is being discontinued
that was the only alternative to the early Digitech
PMC10 or the Lake buttler.So much effort into building
such great devices like this one and the repeater at a
fair price only to see them dissapear.Yet again a lot
of crap remains in the market.Congratulations after
all the trouble for keeping the EDP alive!
Louie

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i just traded posts with mike nelson at boomerang.....he said to tell 
everyone that all is well in ranglandia.....he no longer has time to review 
posts at LD so he hasnt been around for awhile.....here is a list of rang 
info: 

Mike Nelson (da main dude)

Shipping address for repairs & upgrades:
3704 Oakwood
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Boomerang Musical Products
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800-530-4699 * 817-251-8737, Outside USA * 817-251-8509, Fax

http://www.boomerangmusic.com

"Some products make you sound better;
  the Boomerang Plus Phrase Sampler makes you play better."

mike also said to say hello to everyone at LD.....there ya go!.....michael

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--- luca  wrote:
> BUT, if you put a mono jack with your signal coming from the preamp and you
> insert it NOT completely, you are using it just as return. 

This won't work on all channel inserts, it depends on whether the mixer return is on
the tip or the ring. It's easy to make an "channel insert input" cable though, use a
TS plug on one end and a TRS on the other end, with only the return & ground wired.

> A very important thing is: you have your "dry" mother signal on channel 1,
> then you have different auxes to work on (i choosed allen & heath because it
> is having 6 auxes that can be switched pre/post fader).
> Use each aux couple to feed each stereo processor inputs.
> BUT, don't put these effects' outputs into the aux returns: their outputs
> should go into different channels.
> Why ?
> Because in this way you can send effects outputs into other effects' inputs.

...and you can also create a nasty feedback loop if you feed the effect's returns to
it's input. But yeah, definitely nice to have the other possibhilities too. It's
nice to EQ the output of some processors too.

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Please excuse my long silence here on this list...been working long and
hard on a new production with the Plasticene Physical Theater Company... 

If there are any Chicago loopers beside me on the list, I hope you can attend...

THE PALMER RAIDS: A THEATRICAL CONSTRUCTION

This performance departs from Plasticene's signature approach in a
couple ways. All sounds are created live, no pre-recorded sounds. Four
actors speaking and sounding through wireless microphones provide the
source material. I sample and process this in real-time via the Echoplex
DP (still running Loop III at this time), a G4 PowerBook w/ Max/MSP and
Digital Performer, in some sections creating entirely new sounds out of their
voices. 

The audio I/O for the G4 is the Tascam US-428. There's no latency using
Max, though w/ Digtal Performer it's quite noticeable. I'm a novice with
Max, but have learned a lot in the past several weeks (it helps to have
a deadline).

Aside from using voice and text, the other departure is our use of an
actual historical event to base and build a performance. Though the
events that lead to the Palmer Raids of 1919-20 are nearly forgotten,
however they parallel current events in many ways... In every major US
city bombings, mass arrests, and deportations, the US Attorney General
considered one out of four Americans as suspects.

We opened this past weekend and the performances run each week until the
beginning of October. Each performance is one hour and twenty minutes
long, no stops. Here's the rest of the data: 

National Pastime Theater
4139 North Broadway in Chicago
Parking available at Buena and Sheridan two blocks from the theater

Performances:     Thursdays at 8pm, $15
                  Fridays at 8pm, $20
                  Saturdays at 8pm, $20 AND 11pm, $15
                  Sundays at 8pm, $15

                  Must close Sunday, October 6th at 8pm

                  Hour-Before-Curtain Student Rush Tickets are $10

*Post-Show Party until 2am after Saturday 11pm performance on October 5th.

For info and reservations call: 312.409.0400

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Info & reservations: 312-409-0900

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At 1:49 PM -0700 9/17/02, Greg House wrote:

>This won't work on all channel inserts, it depends on whether the 
>mixer return It's easy to make an "channel insert input" cable 
>though, use a TS plug on one end and a TRS on the other end, with 
>only the return & ground wired.

Similarly you can make a "direct output" cable by wiring just the 
ring and sleeve. I made a bunch of these with a male RS and a female 
TS connector, so I'm not limited by cable length. They're useful for 
all sorts of interesting kludges.
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WE WANT YOU!!!


that is, if you're GBLT, committed and looking to tell the world, in front of 
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The Rev. Johnny Hell,  in conjunction with PHILADELPHIA's SEXBOMB: AKASH ( 
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is planning to perform commitment ceremonies en masse every Saturday in 
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*NOTE: & for all the "Loopers", out there, expect that there will be plenty 
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is planning to perform commitment ceremonies en masse every Saturday in October, right in front of the Liberty Bell (weather permitting). While the focus is on gay commitment ceremonies, we will be more than happy to perform your 'straight' wedding ( The good Reverend is really & truly and Ordained Minister ) RSVP please to AKASHMUSIC@aol.com ASAP!!! The more people we get involved, the more Harrisburg ( PA's State Cap & Legislative HQ ) will have to notice! TELL YOUR FRIENDS, STRAIGHT, GAY, BI, TS/TV, WHATEVER! There is some seriously backwards stuff going on now that we ALL need to FIGHT AGAINST.



*NOTE: & for all the "Loopers", out there, expect that there will be plenty of loops with 3 DL/4's goin @ once.



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--- Richard Zvonar  wrote:
> At 1:49 PM -0700 9/17/02, Greg House wrote:
> 
> >This won't work on all channel inserts, it depends on whether the 
> >mixer return It's easy to make an "channel insert input" cable 
> >though, use a TS plug on one end and a TRS on the other end, with 
> >only the return & ground wired.
> 
> Similarly you can make a "direct output" cable by wiring just the 
> ring and sleeve. I made a bunch of these with a male RS and a female 
> TS connector, so I'm not limited by cable length. They're useful for 
> all sorts of interesting kludges.

You also have to wire tip to ring within the TRS connector for the insert, or
you'll mute the channel when you insert it. Not always what you want.

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At 2:23 PM -0700 9/17/02, Greg House wrote:

>You also have to wire tip to ring within the TRS connector for the insert, or
>you'll mute the channel when you insert it. Not always what you want.

Thanks. I forgot to mention that.

In one set of those I actually removed the tips!
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any suggestions for insert cables?  brand and where to buy?  i'd prefer
angled ends, but that's not vital.  i built my own but for cleanliness'
sake, i'd rather go with something commercially available.

-jim


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Hi Luca,

Yes!  Thanks very much for the info.

One question, though.  I want to go out of the amp's pre amp out into the
mixer, feed the effects via mixer sends and return the effects to the
various mixer channels.  Then, take the L/R mixer outputs into the returns
of two guitar amps - the one in which I took the original pre amp out
signal and another guitar amp - to get a stereo spread.  Here's the big
deal though, I want my original guitar signal (post mixer preamp and pre
fader) to go out the L/R mixer outs back into the amps.  I want to blend
the original, uneffectd guitar signal with the effects, thus keeping the
integrity of the original guitar sound.  How do I do this?

I've experimented with using a stereo jack coming out the "guitar" insert
and running into a reverb, but my guitar signal goes away as soon as I turn
up the "mix" control on the amp - thus feeding more of the effects signal
into the amp's effects loop.  the guitar signal is fine over at the other
amp.  

Anyway, I hope this isn't too confusing.  Additonal help is greatly
appreciated!  3 cheers for Luca and the group!

Thanks,

Michael

At 10:34 AM 1/1/01 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi Michael,
>sorry, but I still can't post it directly to your address, so i make it
>public:
>
>this was the reply couldn't get through...
>
>
>Hi Michael,
>> > Hi Luca!  Thanks for the great info.  I have a question, though.  I'm
>not
>> > sure how to use the inserts to get a signal w/o having a signal going
>into
>> > the channel of the insert, first.  Something has to provide signal to
>the
>> > insert, yes/no?
>the inset you find in these mixers (i'm sure about the allen&heath, don't
>know about mackies, but it is a very common feature) is designed to put a
>stereo cable in it: the end of this stereo cable is divided into two mono
>jacks: one is a "send" and the other one a "return". This is done to allow
>you to put a dedicated compressor/eq into each single channel, after its
>preamp.
>BUT, if you put a mono jack with your signal coming from the preamp and you
>insert it NOT completely, you are using it just as return. In other words,
>you are going into that channel strip bypassing its preamp; this is exactly
>what i've been doing for a lot of time and should solve your tone preserving
>needs.
>
>> > What i want to do is use the guitar amp's pre amp (effects) send,  and
>go
>> > into the mixer while bypassing the mixer preamps. Then, somehow send
>signal
>> > to various effects after/bypassing the mixer preamp stages.
>> >
>> > Then, return the mixer outputs into the effects loop returns of two
>amps,
>> > thus creating a stereo spread.
>A very important thing is: you have your "dry" mother signal on channel 1,
>then you have different auxes to work on (i choosed allen & heath because it
>is having 6 auxes that can be switched pre/post fader).
>Use each aux couple to feed each stereo processor inputs.
>BUT, don't put these effects' outputs into the aux returns: their outputs
>should go into different channels.
>Why ?
>Because in this way you can send effects outputs into other effects' inputs.
>This opens up a wide range of possibilities.... did you follow me ?
>I know it is sometimes difficult to explane this routings in words, tell me
>if i haven't been clear enough.
>Plus, if you run out of auxes,you can start using the groups' sends to act
>as semi-auxes.
>
>Let me know if it works,
>my best,
>luca
>
>>
>
>

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--- jimfowler  wrote:
> any suggestions for insert cables?  brand and where to buy?  i'd prefer
> angled ends, but that's not vital.  i built my own but for cleanliness'
> sake, i'd rather go with something commercially available.

If you want inexpensive ones, Hosa makes 'em. Available through a big array of
dealers.

If you want higher quality, Markertek has a line of custom cables which I believe
includes insert cables. They're not too expensive and look to be well made. I
believe they use Canare cable in 'em.

Greg

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     Hello. Interesting that you mention Lake Butler Sound. I have a MIDI 
Mitigator and have recently considered selling it. Is this something that 
some EDP/Repeater owners might be interested in? If so, What price are they 
going for these days?     
     Marc

In a message dated 9/17/2002 4:29:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
laab2000us@yahoo.com writes:


> Its ashame that the Behringer is being discontinued
> that was the only alternative to the early Digitech
> PMC10 or the Lake buttler.So much effort into building
> such great devices like this one and the repeater at a
> fair price only to see them dissapear.Yet again a lot
> of crap remains in the market.Congratulations after
> all the trouble for keeping the EDP alive!
> Louie
> 

     

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     Hello. Interesting that you mention Lake Butler Sound. I have a MIDI Mitigator and have recently considered selling it. Is this something that some EDP/Repeater owners might be interested in? If so, What price are they going for these days?     

     Marc



In a message dated 9/17/2002 4:29:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, laab2000us@yahoo.com writes:






Its ashame that the Behringer is being discontinued

that was the only alternative to the early Digitech

PMC10 or the Lake buttler.So much effort into building

such great devices like this one and the repeater at a

fair price only to see them dissapear.Yet again a lot

of crap remains in the market.Congratulations after

all the trouble for keeping the EDP alive!

Louie






     

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I haven't seen a response to this hiss question.  
I have recorded many of the popular looping devices, EH16, Jamman,
Repeater, EDP, DL4.  They all have hiss.  With each of these it is
important to have the maximum input level possible that is just below
clip/overload/distortion.  This will insure the noise floor is well
below the signal level.  Try increasing the input level to the edp
until you hear distortion in the loop, then back the level down 'just a
hair' until the distortion goes away.
bret
--- Looptalk@aol.com wrote:
> Here's my question. Why when I press record on my plex the recorded
> loop 
> contains a high level of hiss..even if it's not connected to any
> input 
> source...I run my looper through a AUX on my Mackie.. I've tried
> every 
> combination of input/output levels - and still get this hiss
> ---anyone else. 
> As I layer more loops to the first the Hiss goes away  (or is covered
> up)
> 
> What happen to the Repeater?
> 
> todd
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     It's a very sad thing that in America, Land of the Free, a same sex 
couple can't just go out and get married, or generally be recognized as truly 
a couple (well, in the eyes of the state and church anyway). Something that 
we definitely need to change. In the mean time, I wish you the best in 
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     Marc

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O folks,

I called Behringer's USA distribution phone number today (listed on
their web site), and also stopped by a Guitar Center to ask an employee
to do a check in their system.  Both sources claimed that the FBC1010 is
still very much in production... so take that for whatever it may be worth.

--Andre

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I emailed Behringer directly and will post their response- I think it
highly unlikely they discontinued it esp if you notice much of their
gear now has "FCB1010" compatible labeling.
Cliff

www.om-studios.com


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O folks,

I called Behringer's USA distribution phone number today (listed on
their web site), and also stopped by a Guitar Center to ask an employee
to do a check in their system.  Both sources claimed that the FBC1010 is
still very much in production... so take that for whatever it may be
worth.

--Andre



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Does anyone have/or know where I can find a schematic for a looping guitar 
fx pedal? I have seen a lot of looping type pedals lately, and I would like 
to build one.
Please help,
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  In a message dated 9/17/2002 4:29:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, =
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    PMC10 or the Lake buttler.So much effort into building
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    Louie



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If the idea is to do something unorthodox with a cello -- I cheer "Yeah!  A
wonderful thing!"

Try some of these on:

Perhaps something that would combine perfectly with your cello concept --
Z. Vex Tremolo Probe - controllable "a la theremin" so your body proximity
controls the effect.  Look! No wires!
A nice visual thing too.
http://www.stevesmusiccenter.com/zvextremprobe.html

Very flexible, but no midi/
http://www.sospubs.co.uk/sos/mar00/articles/line6.htm

"The Wiggler" - and guitar-y
Near the bottom of this page --
http://www.gtrheaven.com/new_pedals.asp?ven=310&m=none

And one more...
http://www.stevesmusiccenter.com/PEThrob.html


I hope you get wacky with it.

David




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> With all due respect, I'd suggest practicing wiggling your wrist.
>
> I don't say this from any sort of acoustic chastity, at all. In fact,
> some of my best friends are bowed strings played through pitch
> shifters. I built an electric 'cello in 1979 and still play the
> electric contrabass I made in 1977, through every Harmonizer(tm)-like
> device I can lay my clumsy hands on. I've programmed triggerable,
> randomized envelopes for depth and rate, and used weird MIDI pedals
> that output their rate of change as well as their x-y position to
> control the best Eventide algorithms.
>
> I love the variety of textures and timbres that can be discovered
> down this instrumentation avenue, but I have never achieved a
> "realistic" vibrato effect. Maybe I'm a little picky, having spent a
> few years as sound guy for the Kronos Quartet, but for what it's
> worth, my advice is use the effects for what they are, not for what
> they might be like.
>
> -Alex S.
>
>
> At 9:27 AM -0500 9/17/02, Gary Phillips wrote:
> >Hey gang....
> >I need a vibrato pedal, possibly with
> >external control, for a unique purpose.
> >I'm a guitarist, but I recently purchased
> >an electric cello.  It is going to be a while
> >before I learn decent vibrato technique
> >and I've had this idea that could get me
> >utilizing the cello in recording a lot sooner.
> >
> >I want to run the cello's output to a vibrato
> >pedal that I can control with a small lever
> >attached to the bow.  I don't know whether
> >I can get away with controlling only speed
> >or whether I'd need to control depth as well.
> >But I was wondering if there might be a pedal
> >out there that could do the job.  I could even
> >hack into the rate knob of the pedal and use
> >a small potentiometer rigged to a lever on
> >the bow....  or just use the pot/lever as the
> >pedal for a MIDI controller.  Any ideas
> >would be appreciated.  I am looking for a
> >pedal that will give me the most realistic
> >vibrato effect.
> >--
> >gary
> >@friendlyspider.com
> >
> >PS:  Ever heard of Hans Reichel ?
> >Luthier, musician, animator....
> >This guy is way cool:
> >http://www.daxo.de/
> >http://www.yuxo.de/
>
>

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oh and one more...this one is worth it -- very very cool pedal: Dunlop TS-1
Tremolo Stereo Pan

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/search/detail/base_pid/151012/sourceid=0
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> If the idea is to do something unorthodox with a cello -- I cheer "Yeah!
A
> wonderful thing!"
>
> Try some of these on:
>
> Perhaps something that would combine perfectly with your cello concept --
> Z. Vex Tremolo Probe - controllable "a la theremin" so your body proximity
> controls the effect.  Look! No wires!
> A nice visual thing too.
> http://www.stevesmusiccenter.com/zvextremprobe.html
>
> Very flexible, but no midi/
> http://www.sospubs.co.uk/sos/mar00/articles/line6.htm
>
> "The Wiggler" - and guitar-y
> Near the bottom of this page --
> http://www.gtrheaven.com/new_pedals.asp?ven=310&m=none
>
> And one more...
> http://www.stevesmusiccenter.com/PEThrob.html
>
>
> I hope you get wacky with it.
>
> David
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Stahl" 
> To: ; 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 1:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Vibrato pedal for a cello..
>
>
> > With all due respect, I'd suggest practicing wiggling your wrist.
> >
> > I don't say this from any sort of acoustic chastity, at all. In fact,
> > some of my best friends are bowed strings played through pitch
> > shifters. I built an electric 'cello in 1979 and still play the
> > electric contrabass I made in 1977, through every Harmonizer(tm)-like
> > device I can lay my clumsy hands on. I've programmed triggerable,
> > randomized envelopes for depth and rate, and used weird MIDI pedals
> > that output their rate of change as well as their x-y position to
> > control the best Eventide algorithms.
> >
> > I love the variety of textures and timbres that can be discovered
> > down this instrumentation avenue, but I have never achieved a
> > "realistic" vibrato effect. Maybe I'm a little picky, having spent a
> > few years as sound guy for the Kronos Quartet, but for what it's
> > worth, my advice is use the effects for what they are, not for what
> > they might be like.
> >
> > -Alex S.
> >
> >
> > At 9:27 AM -0500 9/17/02, Gary Phillips wrote:
> > >Hey gang....
> > >I need a vibrato pedal, possibly with
> > >external control, for a unique purpose.
> > >I'm a guitarist, but I recently purchased
> > >an electric cello.  It is going to be a while
> > >before I learn decent vibrato technique
> > >and I've had this idea that could get me
> > >utilizing the cello in recording a lot sooner.
> > >
> > >I want to run the cello's output to a vibrato
> > >pedal that I can control with a small lever
> > >attached to the bow.  I don't know whether
> > >I can get away with controlling only speed
> > >or whether I'd need to control depth as well.
> > >But I was wondering if there might be a pedal
> > >out there that could do the job.  I could even
> > >hack into the rate knob of the pedal and use
> > >a small potentiometer rigged to a lever on
> > >the bow....  or just use the pot/lever as the
> > >pedal for a MIDI controller.  Any ideas
> > >would be appreciated.  I am looking for a
> > >pedal that will give me the most realistic
> > >vibrato effect.
> > >--
> > >gary
> > >@friendlyspider.com
> > >
> > >PS:  Ever heard of Hans Reichel ?
> > >Luthier, musician, animator....
> > >This guy is way cool:
> > >http://www.daxo.de/
> > >http://www.yuxo.de/
> >
> >
>

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From: "David" 
> If the idea is to do something unorthodox with a cello -- I cheer "Yeah!
A
> wonderful thing!"

Why not also try something extremely unorthodox with a cello -- no vibrato
at all?

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I think Gary's question was polling this audience for an electronic effect
to achieve something he is aiming for -- seems everyone's trying to tell the
poor guy what he SHOULD do instead.

David

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> From: "David" 
> > If the idea is to do something unorthodox with a cello -- I cheer "Yeah!
> A
> > wonderful thing!"
>
> Why not also try something extremely unorthodox with a cello -- no vibrato
> at all?
>

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Now, by a Vibrato pedal, do you mean a Tremolo pedal? That is, a
modulation in volume, or do you want a modulation of pitch? Just
wondering because those two names are used interchangeably by
guitarists for volume modulation, which doesn't really sound like
finger vibrato.

Ernesto

On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:27:39 -0500, "Gary Phillips"
 said:
> Hey gang....
> I need a vibrato pedal, possibly with
> external control, for a unique purpose.
> I'm a guitarist, but I recently purchased
> an electric cello.  It is going to be a while
> before I learn decent vibrato technique
> and I've had this idea that could get me
> utilizing the cello in recording a lot sooner.
> 

-- 
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ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes:

>...and you can also create a nasty feedback loop if you feed the effect's
>returns to
>it's input. But yeah, definitely nice to have the other possibhilities
>too. It's
>nice to EQ the output of some processors too.

for a nice exploration of this 'flaw', see (hear) 'scope' by nobukazu 
takemura (sp).
on thrill jockey records, i think.
best,
dt / splattercell

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"those two names are used interchangeably by
guitarists for volume modulation"

this is something that always bothered me.  attention guitarists: these two
are not the same thing!

-jim


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Definitely a vibrato effect...  which sounds less like what it does
than tremelo....  maybe it "vibrates" the pitch.
I want roughly the same sound the finger makes as it rocks on
the string, thus dropping and raising the pitch at varying speeds.
Of course I'll want to be able to whack it out as well.....
I'll just have to try some pedals out....
Electro Harmonix Wiggler or Worm
or Yamaha UD Stomp, which has the expression pedal input.
--
gary
@friendlyspider.com


ernesto schnack wrote:

> Now, by a Vibrato pedal, do you mean a Tremolo pedal? That is, a
> modulation in volume, or do you want a modulation of pitch? Just
> wondering because those two names are used interchangeably by
> guitarists for volume modulation, which doesn't really sound like
> finger vibrato.
>
> Ernesto



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you want vibrato and a little bit more?

try these:

http://www.lovetone.com 
http://3mspedals.com

not a vibrato, but since i'm browsing:

robotalk http://www.musictoyz.com/robo.htm

-jim


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>      It's a very sad thing that in America, Land of the Free, a same sex
> couple can't just go out and get married, or generally be recognized as
truly
> a couple (well, in the eyes of the state and church anyway). Something
that
> we definitely need to change. In the mean time, I wish you the best in
> drawing attention to this strange unreality (Yes, oddly we also live in
the
> land of Reality TV). Best wishes for your commitment ceremonies!

It's the same here in the UK - the London Mayor has started pushing for
equal rights for gay couples as straight couples... we'll see what happens.

The vicar at my church has done a lot of blessings of gay couples, so there
are a few enlightened ones around - we've got a lot of gay people (single
and attached) at our church...

Loop content - my gig at the London Guitar Festival last night went
swimmingly well, and a few guys afterwards were drooling over the EDP saying
'where can I get one??????' :o)  Despite my dead DL4, the gig went really
well, though it was odd not having it there for the double speed stuff...

Steve
www.steve-lawson.co.uk


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At 06:48 AM 9/15/2002, Louie Angulo wrote:
>I am a bit confused with the new long undo and short
>undo direct comands functions of Loop IV.I am testing
>them and it seems they do the same function as the
>undo button. How do they differ?

Hi Louie-

do you understand what is different between a long-press of Undo and 
short-press of Undo? That is exactly what these two midi commands are 
doing. This allows you to directly access the "long-press" version of Undo, 
without actually doing a long-press.

If you want to know more about Undo, I found this post in the archives that 
links to many other good undo related posts:

http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200112/msg00392.html

kim


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>> I called Behringer's USA distribution phone number today (listed on
>> their web site), and also stopped by a Guitar Center to ask an employee
>> to do a check in their system.  Both sources claimed that the FBC1010 is
>> still very much in production... so take that for whatever it may be
>> worth.
> I emailed Behringer directly and will post their response- I think it
> highly unlikely they discontinued it esp if you notice much of their
> gear now has "FCB1010" compatible labeling.
> Cliff

I think you guys might be right.  I looked up the Behringer webpage before
posting, clicked on the "discontinued products" page and found the FBC1010 -
however, checking the site again, I see that it's listed on *every* page;
the page navigation is screwed up, I think.

Anyhoo, whatever the reason, they're cheap right now.

Mike

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Another thing I've noticed is that if you feed a noisy signal into a looper, the
noise will build up as you add more layers to your loop. So starting with a
signal that's as clean as possible is important.

Greg

--- Bret  wrote:
> I haven't seen a response to this hiss question.  
> I have recorded many of the popular looping devices, EH16, Jamman,
> Repeater, EDP, DL4.  They all have hiss.  With each of these it is
> important to have the maximum input level possible that is just below
> clip/overload/distortion.  This will insure the noise floor is well
> below the signal level.  Try increasing the input level to the edp
> until you hear distortion in the loop, then back the level down 'just a
> hair' until the distortion goes away.
> bret
> --- Looptalk@aol.com wrote:
> > Here's my question. Why when I press record on my plex the recorded
> > loop 
> > contains a high level of hiss..even if it's not connected to any
> > input 
> > source...I run my looper through a AUX on my Mackie.. I've tried
> > every 
> > combination of input/output levels - and still get this hiss
> > ---anyone else. 
> > As I layer more loops to the first the Hiss goes away  (or is covered
> > up)
> > 
> > What happen to the Repeater?
> > 
> > todd
> > 
> 
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Are we sure it's being discontinued, or has a newer model just replaced
it?  How do we know this information?

Mark Sottilaro


>> Its ashame that the Behringer is being discontinued
>

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As a person who's owned all of these devices, I don't find any of them to
be very noisey.  Could it be the amp you're going to?  Do you have a
compressor after them?

Mark Sottilaro

Bret wrote:

> I haven't seen a response to this hiss question.
> I have recorded many of the popular looping devices, EH16, Jamman,
> Repeater, EDP, DL4.  They all have hiss.

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you can make a nice vibrato with a ring modulator.
moogerfooger is a good one with cv inputs...

the tc electronic chorus/flanger can do vibrato as well, but doesn't have control inputs.

good luck...


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Hi,

after a few hours of experimentation last night, and some new learnings!, I
have a bit a dilemma that I would like some input in solving.

I'm basically using 2 guitar amps.  One outputs the guitar signal thru the
send into ch 1 of the mixer.  The L/R outputs of the mixer are returned to
amp 1 (the original signal) and amp 2 (into the amp's return).

The effected sound thru amp 2 is great.  Amp 1 is the problem.  It is a
fender twin with a Mix control on the front - mixing amp signal with the
effects signal.  The more i turn the Mix control, the more the effected
signal comes into the amp, but there goes my guitar tone which I want/must
preserve.  As an experiment, I ran an insert from the guitar's mixer
channel into the amp's return and turned up the Mix knob.  The guitar tone
maintained it's integrity even at a setting of 10 (max) on the Mix knob.
So, the mixer insert stays pretty true to the original guitar tone.

Now, I wonder how I can get the effected signal into amp 1's return without
sacrificing the guitar tone?  That's the big problem.  I want effects
coming thru both amp 1 and amp 2 And my true guitar signal.

I'll experiment more today/this evening.  Any help is greatly appreciated!

Thanks!

Michael

At 10:34 AM 1/1/01 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi Michael,
>sorry, but I still can't post it directly to your address, so i make it
>public:
>
>this was the reply couldn't get through...
>
>
>Hi Michael,
>> > Hi Luca!  Thanks for the great info.  I have a question, though.  I'm
>not
>> > sure how to use the inserts to get a signal w/o having a signal going
>into
>> > the channel of the insert, first.  Something has to provide signal to
>the
>> > insert, yes/no?
>the inset you find in these mixers (i'm sure about the allen&heath, don't
>know about mackies, but it is a very common feature) is designed to put a
>stereo cable in it: the end of this stereo cable is divided into two mono
>jacks: one is a "send" and the other one a "return". This is done to allow
>you to put a dedicated compressor/eq into each single channel, after its
>preamp.
>BUT, if you put a mono jack with your signal coming from the preamp and you
>insert it NOT completely, you are using it just as return. In other words,
>you are going into that channel strip bypassing its preamp; this is exactly
>what i've been doing for a lot of time and should solve your tone preserving
>needs.
>
>> > What i want to do is use the guitar amp's pre amp (effects) send,  and
>go
>> > into the mixer while bypassing the mixer preamps. Then, somehow send
>signal
>> > to various effects after/bypassing the mixer preamp stages.
>> >
>> > Then, return the mixer outputs into the effects loop returns of two
>amps,
>> > thus creating a stereo spread.
>A very important thing is: you have your "dry" mother signal on channel 1,
>then you have different auxes to work on (i choosed allen & heath because it
>is having 6 auxes that can be switched pre/post fader).
>Use each aux couple to feed each stereo processor inputs.
>BUT, don't put these effects' outputs into the aux returns: their outputs
>should go into different channels.
>Why ?
>Because in this way you can send effects outputs into other effects' inputs.
>This opens up a wide range of possibilities.... did you follow me ?
>I know it is sometimes difficult to explane this routings in words, tell me
>if i haven't been clear enough.
>Plus, if you run out of auxes,you can start using the groups' sends to act
>as semi-auxes.
>
>Let me know if it works,
>my best,
>luca
>
>>
>
>

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Mark,
I didn't say they are very noisey.  I said they all have hiss.  We do
not use amplifiers, we record direct into a roland VS2480, no
compressors.  
All these looping devices are usable, but they have hiss.  Analog tape
recording is usable, but it has hiss.  All amplifiers generate noise. 
All preamps generate noise.  Whether this noise is noticable or not
depends on the signal to noise ratio, which is a function of the
design, the components, and how high you set your input signal with
respect to the noise floor.  That was the point I was attempting to
make, set your levels as high as possible without clipping.  This
maximizes the signal and minimizes the noise.

Perhaps I should have said 'all these devices have hiss, but if the
input levels are set appropriately the hiss will be well below the
signal'.  Since the user noted 
>As I layer more loops to the first the Hiss goes away  (or is covered
>up)  
this sounded like the edp is working fine, that the noise is not
noticable when the signal is high enough, so I suggested raising the
input level.
bret  
--- Marklar  wrote:
> As a person who's owned all of these devices, I don't find any of
> them to
> be very noisey.  Could it be the amp you're going to?  Do you have a
> compressor after them?
> 
> Mark Sottilaro
> 
> Bret wrote:
> 
> > I haven't seen a response to this hiss question.
> > I have recorded many of the popular looping devices, EH16, Jamman,
> > Repeater, EDP, DL4.  They all have hiss.
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The noise I originally brought up is hiss..sometimes a lot - most likely a poor gain structure that I have never mastered using the AUX of a board..sometimes I'll get a level that is beautiful- other times it destroys my mood to play. When I do push the input level to the pre distorition threshhold i find I can't layer as much without suffering distorion. 

ALSO Hans grabbed on to the point that this happens at times with out any input...a system hiss of sorts, that changes pitch as you add? It only happens sometimes without prediction. 

Thanks for the input. (pun intended) 
tq

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i concur

> As a person who's owned all of these devices, I don't find any of them to
> be very noisey.  Could it be the amp you're going to?  Do you have a
> compressor after them?
> 
> Mark Sottilaro
> 
> Bret wrote:
> 
>> I haven't seen a response to this hiss question.
>> I have recorded many of the popular looping devices, EH16, Jamman,
>> Repeater, EDP, DL4.  They all have hiss.
> 

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Right.  I totally agree.  No device is perfect.   You should have seen
the 14 year old version of me with two table top cassette decks and a Vox
Buckingham amp making multi dub recordings by making a recording in deck
A, then putting the tape in deck B which fed back into the guitar amp.
While that was going, I'd be playing over it and recording that on deck
A.  Repeat several times until is sounds like you're playing behind
Niagra falls.  FUN!

Mark

Bret wrote:

> Mark,
> I didn't say they are very noisey.  I said they all have hiss.  We do
> not use amplifiers, we record direct into a roland VS2480, no
> compressors.

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I CAN"T HEAR YOU!  DID YOU SAY SOMETHING?  HISS, WHAT HISS?
bret
--- Goddess  wrote:
>   But Bret, we made such an insanely mind-numbingly earth-shattering
> noise
> yesterday that ya couldn't tell that it was distorted sometimes!
> lollollol!  
> 
> Smiles,
> 
> CQ
> 
> At 02:49 PM 9/16/02 -0700, you wrote:
> >High frequencies clip easier on the EDP.  Turn the input gain down
> >until the distortion goes away.  Changing the resistors on the input
> >will only change the position of the knop required to get the proper
> >signal to the edp.  If you turn your input knob down, it can reduce
> the
> >input signal to an appropriate level.  Resistor change is not
> >necessary, but it may make you feel better about the knob position. 
> >You can also reposition the know on the potentiometer shaft to point
> >however you want, if that matters to you.  This input control is
> just a
> >voltage divider, absolute position should not matter as long as you
> >have the range you need for your inputs.
> >bret
> >--- Louie Angulo  wrote:
> >> sorry i meant increasing the tolerance of the input or
> >>  decreasing the sensitivity
> >> I am curious how  far do you have the input normally
> >> set? i have it at about 11 o´clock and it still clips.
> >> I am running a roland preamp into it but i also own a
> >> boomerang which hardly ever clips.It is specially
> >> sensitive with bright tones.
> >> cheers
> >> lou
> >> 
> >> 
> >>  that doesn't make sense. if you are clipping the
> >> > input of the EDP, you want 
> >> > less gain on the EDP input, not more. Turn down the
> >> > EDP input knob to where 
> >> > it doesn't clip. Or use normal line level outs from
> >> > the guitar stuff. If 
> >> > you are running the loop output back into the same
> >> > guitar amp you are 
> >> > otherwise playing through, expect it to sound like
> >> > mush anyway. You are 
> >> > much better off running the loops through a clean PA
> >> > type system.
> >> > kim
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> >
> >>
>
>______________________________________________________________________
> >> > Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
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> >> > http://www.loopers-delight.com
> >> > 
> >> 
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I have multiple loops each with multiple cycles running and I want to change
between them, but when the EDP switches to the next loop, the loop doesn´t
start from the cycle, i want him to (normally cycle nr.1).  What did i do
wrong?
Thanks
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Response from Behringer directly.

 

www.om-studios.com

 

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Hello Clifford,

This rumor is not true.  If you would like help with operation of the
unit and/or a copy of the course we assembled, please let us know.

Thanks,

Richard

 

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There is a rumor on the Loopers Delight mailing list that the FCB1010
midi controller pedal is being discontinued- is this true?

Cliff

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-----Original Message-----

From: Paulsen, Richard
[mailto:R.Paulsen@behringer.com] 

Sent: Wednesday,
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To: 'Clifford Novey'

Subject: RE: FCB1010 midi
controller discontinued?



 






Hello Clifford,









This rumor is not true.  If =
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please let us know.









Thanks,









Richard









 









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From: Clifford Novey
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Sent: Tuesday,
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To: Support DE

Subject: FCB1010 midi =
controller
discontinued?






There is a rumor on the Loopers Delight mailing list that the =
FCB1010
midi controller pedal is being discontinued- is this =
true?









Cliff









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Hi Kim,
No i don´t, in the manual under new direct comands it
only says
short undo = inmediately executes the short undo
function(Undo to end)
But what exactly does undo to end mean? In both
manuals i didn´t seem to find a clear explanation of
this so i will check out this archives
thanx
Louie 





 
> At 06:48 AM 9/15/2002, Louie Angulo wrote:
> >I am a bit confused with the new long undo and
> short
> >undo direct comands functions of Loop IV.I am
> testing
> >them and it seems they do the same function as the
> >undo button. How do they differ?
> 
> Hi Louie-
> 
> do you understand what is different between a
> long-press of Undo and 
> short-press of Undo? That is exactly what these two
> midi commands are 
> doing. This allows you to directly access the
> "long-press" version of Undo, 
> without actually doing a long-press.
> 
> If you want to know more about Undo, I found this
> post in the archives that 
> links to many other good undo related posts:
> 
>
http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200112/msg00392.html
> 
> kim
> 
> 
>
______________________________________________________________________
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> 


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Kim,
i take it back i found the answer i guess i never gave
undo too much attention until i got into all the MIDI
functions!
cheers
Louie




> Hi Louie-
> 
> do you understand what is different between a
> long-press of Undo and 
> short-press of Undo? That is exactly what these two
> midi commands are 
> doing. This allows you to directly access the
> "long-press" version of Undo, 
> without actually doing a long-press.
> 
> If you want to know more about Undo, I found this
> post in the archives that 
> links to many other good undo related posts:
> 
>
http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200112/msg00392.html
> 
> kim
> 
> 
>
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Thanks for posting their response!

What's "a copy of the course we assembled" mean?

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----- Original Message -----
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Response from Behringer directly.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Paulsen, Richard [mailto:R.Paulsen@behringer.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 11:53 AM
To: 'Clifford Novey'
Subject: RE: FCB1010 midi controller discontinued?

Hello Clifford,
This rumor is not true.  If you would like help with operation of the unit
and/or a copy of the course we assembled, please let us know.
Thanks,
Richard

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 1:39 PM
To: Support DE
Subject: FCB1010 midi controller discontinued?
There is a rumor on the Loopers Delight mailing list that the FCB1010 midi
controller pedal is being discontinued- is this true?
Cliff
Los Angeles
http://www.om-studios.com

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Kim wrote:
> If you want to know more about Undo, I found this post in the archives

Thanks for that post, Kim!  I found this particular one extremely helpful to
my understanding of the undo function.  Matthias explains how the EDP works
just like a tape loop and the undo button just instantly "rewinds" the tape
exactly one distance between record and read head.  I suddenly fully
understand how undo works and why I have to press it twice sometimes!

http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200005/msg00270.html

Jon

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i would aslo suggest anyone interested in the alesesis airfx or airsynth
to get them now as they aslo seem to be endangered.
the company has changed owners, the infra-red instruments were a special
fasination of the
old owner and i noticed they have been dropping off catalogs lately.
and when found they are on sale.

-das
www.ubuibi.org


>  found the FBC1010 -
> however, checking the site again, I see that it's listed on *every* page;
> the page navigation is screwed up, I think.
>
> Anyhoo, whatever the reason, they're cheap right now.
>
> Mike

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The FCB1010 looks great. Has anyone completely replaced the EDP foot board
with the FCB1010? I can't think of any reason why this wouldn't work, but
before I buy one, I'd like to know for sure.

Thanks,

klowy (aka wrinklemuzik)

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> > As a person who's owned all of these devices, I don't find any of them
to
> > be very noisey.  Could it be the amp you're going to?  Do you have a
> > compressor after them?
> >

I don't want to start any crazy rumours, but didn't amps and compressors
just get discontinued, again?

bIz

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I guess this is why the vibrato bar is mostly referred to as a "tremolo
bar" even though it has nothing to do with tremolo.  Even Steinberger
refers to theirs as the Trans-TREM. Funny how names stick.

Ernesto

On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 01:32:30 +0100, "jimfowler" 
said:
> "those two names are used interchangeably by
> guitarists for volume modulation"
> 
> this is something that always bothered me.  attention guitarists: these
> two
> are not the same thing!
> 
> -jim

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At 11:04 PM +0000 9/18/02, ernesto schnack wrote:
>I guess this is why the vibrato bar is mostly referred to as a "tremolo
>bar" even though it has nothing to do with tremolo.  Even Steinberger
>refers to theirs as the Trans-TREM. Funny how names stick.


It's probably a good idea to avoid the term "tremolo" altogether 
because it has several different definitions depending on musical 
context. Here's a pretty good explication:

 From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/Tremolo

Tremolo is a musical term with two meanings:


*	A rapid repetition of the same note, or an alternation 
between two or more notes.
*	A rapid and repetitive variation in pitch for the duration of 
a note. This is more usually called vibrato.

A fuller discussion of the second sense given above can be found at 
vibrato. The rest of this article is concerned with the first meaning.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Tremolo is the rapid repetition of one note in music or a rapid 
alternation between two or more notes. It is sometimes called 
tremolando, especially when referring to a rapid repetition on a 
bowed string instrument, one of the most commonly seen uses of the 
technique. Tremolo on a violin or similar instrument is sometimes 
combined with playing sul ponticello (over the bridge of the 
instrument), which gives a thin and reedy effect, often perceived to 
be "ghostly."

Another common use of the technique on one note is in the playing of 
the mandolin. Once a mandolin string is plucked, the note decays very 
rapidly, and by playing the same note many times very rapidly, the 
illusion of a sustained note can be created.

Tremolo on two or more notes is most frequently seen on the piano or 
other keyboard instruments. The composer Franz Liszt often calls for 
the technique to be used in his piano pieces. When used on the piano, 
tremolo can create a seemingly louder and larger sound, which can be 
sustained indefinitely. Historically, its use on keyboard instruments 
can be traced back to a time before the invention of the piano? when 
harpsichords and similar instruments such as the spinet? were 
standard. These instruments could not sustain notes for nearly as 
long as a modern piano, and so tremolo was used to simulate a longer 
sustain, as well as being used as an independent effect.

Here are some other definitions:

 From Georgia Tech

Tremolo
The art of performing or singing the same note over and over very 
quickly, executed most commonly but not exclusively on bowed string 
instruments. Tremolo may be measured or unmeasured and has the effect 
of adding motion to the sound.

Vibrato
The pulsating or vibrating element of some sounds that is produced by 
a full, resonant quality of tone. Vibrato is a very slight 
fluctuation of the pitch of a note; it was known as early as the 16th 
century, but until the 19th century it was used mainly as 
ornamentation. Since the 19th century, vibrato has been used almost 
constantly because of its enhancement of tone.


 From Simon Frasier U.

Tremolo
A periodic fluctuation or oscillation in the amplitude of a tone, 
thereby being a type of amplitude modulation, and a limited version 
of a vibrato. It is used in various forms by instrumentalists but the 
optimum speed is usually regarded as being seven cycles per second. 
Tremolo is often heard with the vibraphone and certain types of 
electronic organ sounds.

Vibrato
A periodic fluctuation or oscillation in the frequency of a tone, 
thereby being a type of frequency modulation. It is also usually 
accompanied by a pulsation of intensity which affects the timbre or 
colour of the tone. Instrumentalists and singers use the effect to 
enrich their tone, and usually regulate the speed of the vibrato to 
the range of seven cycles per second.

And here are a few URLs to help you get REALLY confused:

http://www.vibroworld.com/magnatone/vibrato.html

http://members.iinet.net.au/~nickl/vibrato.html

http://www.wfg.woodwind.org/fl_tr3_1.html
http://www.wfg.woodwind.org/fl_tr3_2.html
http://www.wfg.woodwind.org/fl_tr3_3.html


http://www.co-mando.com/techniques/technique/tremolo.htm

http://www.jaybuckey.com/Mandolin%20Tremolo.htm

http://philiphii.com/articles/tremolo.html

http://www.guitarsite.com/tab/Classical/Tarrega/exercise.htm

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Well, at least we haven't digressed into the "vibrato (pitch) vs. tremolo (amplitude)" semantic debate again (yet)! :^)
-t-
(ps: I too think practicing the wrist wiggle would be the way to go, but I'll bet a cello would sound very cool through a UniVibe!)
 David wrote:I think Gary's question was polling this audience for an electronic effect
to achieve something he is aiming for -- seems everyone's trying to tell the
poor guy what he SHOULD do instead.



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Well, at least we haven't digressed into the "vibrato (pitch) vs. tremolo (amplitude)" semantic debate again (yet)! :^)

-t-

(ps: I too think practicing the wrist wiggle would be the way to go, but I'll bet a cello would sound very cool through a UniVibe!)

 David wrote:

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Well, not discontinued, but upgraded to amp and compressor "modelers" that do
most of the same thing...kind of...

Jonathan El-Bizri wrote:

> > > As a person who's owned all of these devices, I don't find any of them
> to
> > > be very noisey.  Could it be the amp you're going to?  Do you have a
> > > compressor after them?
> > >
>
> I don't want to start any crazy rumours, but didn't amps and compressors
> just get discontinued, again?
>
> bIz

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Does anyone have/or know where I can find a schematic for a looping guitar 
fx pedal? I have seen a lot of looping type pedals lately, and I would like 
to build one.
Please help,
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i thought that a "rapid repetition" of two or more notes was generally
referred to as a "trill"

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From: "jimfowler" 

> i thought that a "rapid repetition" of two or more notes was generally
> referred to as a "trill"

That's correct.  Also sometimes called a "mordent" or even a "pralltriller."
My general understanding is that one note rapid repetition = tremolo, and
alternating note rapid repetition = "trill."  Many note numerous repetitions
= "looping."

Now for some mordant humor:  The great American blues vocalist Janis Joplin
was quite fond of vocal effects such as vibrato, tremolo, etc.  She even
named one of her records "Cheap Trills."  ;-)

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Excellent!

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> http://www.yesmag.bc.ca/projects/looper.html
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the repetition of 2 notes can be called a trill, but has to do with
context.  A trill is condidered more of a decoration on a melody, so i
guess you could say it's a name for a specific type of tremolo...then
again, on a string instrument, a trill would be played legato, but on a
two-note tremolo each note would be attacked seperately, so i guess it
isn't the same thing.

Ernesto

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> 
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Ha! Matthias, nice link, I LOVE it...
I mean, why buy all this silly equipment when you can just make your own looper?!!!!
Bradley Fish
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Ha! Matthias, nice link, I LOVE it...

I mean, why buy all this silly equipment when you can just make your own looper?!!!!

Bradley Fish

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     Wow! I'm impressed. Has anyone acquired on of these yet? What does 
happen if the big loop is in front? What about the small loop? What happens 
if you put a twsit in the loop(s)??? I just need to know! I bet they could 
make a great flanger!
     Loopy Marc

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> Ha! Matthias, nice link, I LOVE it... I mean, why buy all this silly 
> equipment when you can just make your own looper?!!!! Bradley Fish 
> 
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     Wow! I'm impressed. Has anyone acquired on of these yet? What does happen if the big loop is in front? What about the small loop? What happens if you put a twsit in the loop(s)??? I just need to know! I bet they could make a great flanger!

     Loopy Marc



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Ha! Matthias, nice link, I LOVE it... I mean, why buy all this silly equipment when you can just make your own looper?!!!! Bradley Fish 









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I've heard these things have a pretty high crash rate.

On the other hand, you don't see many loopers with a
glide parameter.

John


--- RandomLFO@aol.com wrote:
>      Wow! I'm impressed. Has anyone acquired on of
> these yet? What does 
> happen if the big loop is in front? What about the
> small loop? What happens 
> if you put a twsit in the loop(s)??? I just need to
> know! I bet they could 
> make a great flanger!
>      Loopy Marc
> 
> In a message dated 9/19/2002 2:14:21 AM Eastern
> Daylight Time, 
> bradleyfishmusic@yahoo.com writes:
> 
> 
> > Ha! Matthias, nice link, I LOVE it... I mean, why
> buy all this silly 
> > equipment when you can just make your own
> looper?!!!! Bradley Fish 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 


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Very retro design - It uses tape.

Cheers,
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> I've heard these things have a pretty high crash rate.
> 
> On the other hand, you don't see many loopers with a
> glide parameter.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> --- RandomLFO@aol.com wrote:
> >      Wow! I'm impressed. Has anyone acquired on of
> > these yet? What does 
> > happen if the big loop is in front? What about the
> > small loop? What happens 
> > if you put a twsit in the loop(s)??? I just need to
> > know! I bet they could 
> > make a great flanger!
> >      Loopy Marc
> > 
> > In a message dated 9/19/2002 2:14:21 AM Eastern
> > Daylight Time, 
> > bradleyfishmusic@yahoo.com writes:
> > 
> > 
> > > Ha! Matthias, nice link, I LOVE it... I mean, why
> > buy all this silly 
> > > equipment when you can just make your own
> > looper?!!!! Bradley Fish 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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--- kenn lowy  wrote:
> The FCB1010 looks great. Has anyone completely
> replaced the EDP foot board
> with the FCB1010? I can't think of any reason why
> this wouldn't work, but
> before I buy one, I'd like to know for sure.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> klowy (aka wrinklemuzik)
> 
it works great with the EDP
buy it!
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Does anyone have/or know where I can find a schematic for a looping guitar 
fx pedal? I have seen a lot of looping type pedals lately, and I would like 
to build one.
Please help,
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Yes, Reverse Mode is very unreliable.

>--- Original Message ---
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>I've heard these things have a pretty high crash rate.
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Yes, Reverse Mode is very unreliable.

>--- Original Message ---
>From: John Tidwell 
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Date: 9/18/02 9:42:36 PM
>

>I've heard these things have a pretty high crash rate.
>




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>From a keyboard perspective, trills are two adjacent notes in repetition,
whereas tremolos are two or more notes further apart, thereby a shake of
harmony rather than scale steps.

Davdi


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> the repetition of 2 notes can be called a trill, but has to do with
> context.  A trill is condidered more of a decoration on a melody, so i
> guess you could say it's a name for a specific type of tremolo...then
> again, on a string instrument, a trill would be played legato, but on a
> two-note tremolo each note would be attacked seperately, so i guess it
> isn't the same thing.
>
> Ernesto
>
> On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:03:11 +0100, "jimfowler" 
> said:
> > i thought that a "rapid repetition" of two or more notes was generally
> > referred to as a "trill"
> >
> > -jim
> >
> >
> >
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cool, works well with double sided tape.
best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002
 
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DAVID BEARDSLEY
Microtonal Just Intonation guitar, 
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Saturday September 21st, 2002
9:30 p.m., $3.00
  Chama
  332 East 4th Street, between Aves C & D
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  646-654-6472
"Phenomenal is one thought. Deep modern meditational tool is another." 
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maybe

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=fr&q=looper+schematic

maybe in 10 years when looping will be soo mainstream you'll find DIY schematics
all over the net

till then you'll have to buy one

Cheers

Claude



>
> Does anyone have/or know where I can find a schematic for a looping guitar
> fx pedal? I have seen a lot of looping type pedals lately, and I would like
> to build one.
> Please help,
> Dick
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Boomerang Phrase Sampler / Looper UPGRADED

Original Boomerang Looper/ Phrase Sampler, recently UPGRADED to current 
(Boomerang Plus..version 2) specs and features..........loaded  with 4 
Minutes of loop time. In basically unused condition, with box, papers and 
adaptor.......sounds and works great!
$275, INCLUDING shipping in the US
PayPal ( prefered) or USPS Postal Money Order accepted.
thanks,
 Jim

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I believe some LD members have instituted a DIY looper project.  Search the
archives for "Lo Fi Looping" for some more info.  This should get you
started:
http://www.loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/200208/msg01193.html

I think David Lee Myers was working on this some but I don't know what
progress he's made so far.

Dennis Leas
-------------------
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>
> Does anyone have/or know where I can find a schematic for a looping guitar
> fx pedal? I have seen a lot of looping type pedals lately, and I would
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> to build one.
> Please help,
> Dick


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i was just wondering what recording equipment people use
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Hi guys,
Anyone who's using asio compatible audio stuff might be interested in this
plug-in. Its very nice!

Cheers,

Gareth


We have just upped to our website a new VST effect made with 
SynthEdit, called Elottronix. It's an emulation of the famous Robert 
Fripp's effect commonly known as "Fripptronix", which consisted in 
two Revox b-77 that were connected one to each other making an 
infinite loop, so you could record a riff and then record again over 
that, and again so many times as you desired.

Our emulation covers a delay range from 2 to 8 seconds, and has two 
delay lines which control over decay and loop times, end of the loop, 
1 oscillator by line with 7 selectable waveforms and pitch, and 
autopan. It also features presets for using the Elottronix at 
different bar measures and bpm.

Download it from http://elogoxa.da.ru
In the same web site you also can find several synths maybe 
interesting for you...

Hope you find something useful for you...
Enjoy!

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i dunno, this thing seems overly complicated.
why not just use a regular glider?
maybe a video would help make this more marketable...


> http://www.yesmag.bc.ca/projects/looper.html
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> 
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Yess a video and btw this thing as a lot of hiss for a 2002 looper

Claude


> i dunno, this thing seems overly complicated.
> why not just use a regular glider?
> maybe a video would help make this more marketable...
> 
> 
> > http://www.yesmag.bc.ca/projects/looper.html
> > -- 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> 
> 

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Nice, Gareth!

Eventide Eclipse, DSP7000/7500/Orville do that from 40seconds up to 4 
minutes and 20 seconds.


Greetings
Italoop


> Hi guys,
> Anyone who's using asio compatible audio stuff might be interested in 
this
> plug-in. Its very nice!
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Gareth
> 
> 
> We have just upped to our website a new VST effect made with 
> SynthEdit, called Elottronix. It's an emulation of the famous Robert 
> Fripp's effect commonly known as "Fripptronix", which consisted in 
> two Revox b-77 that were connected one to each other making an 
> infinite loop, so you could record a riff and then record again over 
> that, and again so many times as you desired.
> 
> Our emulation covers a delay range from 2 to 8 seconds, and has two 
> delay lines which control over decay and loop times, end of the loop, 
> 1 oscillator by line with 7 selectable waveforms and pitch, and 
> autopan. It also features presets for using the Elottronix at 
> different bar measures and bpm.
> 
> Download it from http://elogoxa.da.ru
> In the same web site you also can find several synths maybe 
> interesting for you...
> 
> Hope you find something useful for you...
> Enjoy!
> 
> 

___________________________________________
Italo De Angelis
Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division
italo@eventide.com
EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT
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> > http://www.yesmag.bc.ca/projects/looper.html

Surely this is only for the more ... avant-garde end of the looping
spectrum?

Mike

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Hi,
I have a drum loop recorded on the repeater and want
to sync it with the EDP,the EDP being the master.When
i record a guitar loop on the EDP the sample doesn´t
exactly sync like my drum computer does,it is too slow
or too fast.I have to manually mess around with the
EDP´s 8th/beat untill i find the right value for them
to sync well.My question is how do you determine the
correct value? (ex.when the EDP reads 3.0 seconds the
repeater reads 161.3 BPM)
thanx
Louie

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At 12:56 AM -0400 9/19/02, Cino wrote:

>My general understanding is that one note rapid repetition = tremolo, and
>alternating note rapid repetition = "trill."

It's a "trill" if the pitches are within a second. A rapidly 
alternating interval of a minor third or greater is called a 
"tremelo" or a "tremelando."

>Many note numerous repetitions = "looping."

Classical musicians call this an "ostinato."
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Well, I've got the chips and have drawn up a little test circuit.  Very far
from actual results, I must admit.  Life has encroached lately.  It will
happen, but not very soon.

Dick: you will not be able to build anything like what's on the
market--except perhaps the Z-Vex Lo Fi Looper, which is in the ballpark of
what I'm looking at doing.  Do you know what a 3kHz bandwidth sounds like?
No competition for Line 6 or Boss, to say the least.  But if this is no
problem and you're impatient and want to fool around with the same stuff I
am, check out

http://www.winbond-usa.com/products/isd_products/chipcorder/

Simple application layouts are shown...


David Lee Myers
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on 9/19/02 12:15 PM, Dennis Leas at dennis@mail.worldserver.com wrote:

> I think David Lee Myers was working on this some but I don't know what
> progress he's made so far.
> 
> Dennis Leas
> -------------------
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> 
>> 
>> Does anyone have/or know where I can find a schematic for a looping guitar
>> fx pedal? I have seen a lot of looping type pedals lately, and I would
> like
>> to build one.
>> Please help,
>> Dick
> 
> 

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An Eventide would be better, with less hiss but with a serious bump at the end of the loop.  Just be prepared to get a new one after each use.


At 06:40 AM 2002/09/19 -0700, p koniuto wrote:


>Yes, Reverse Mode is very unreliable.
>
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>
>>I've heard these things have a pretty high crash rate.
>>

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It's a good thing I didn't ask about a pedal
effect to alter the cello's timbre......

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Just make sure you concentrate on your technique in order to achieve
authentic gelato and disco.

-K

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It's a good thing I didn't ask about a pedal
effect to alter the cello's timbre......

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I agree,
it works great.
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Hey,
   I still have that Buckingham amp but I broke my two tape decks doing 
loops back in the late 70's, that's when I decided to get a four track reel 
to reel.  I still use the Buckingham occasionally for some old sounds, it's 
lovely!

Weg


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>Right.  I totally agree.  No device is perfect.   You should have seen
>the 14 year old version of me with two table top cassette decks and a Vox
>Buckingham amp making multi dub recordings by making a recording in deck
>A, then putting the tape in deck B which fed back into the guitar amp.
>While that was going, I'd be playing over it and recording that on deck
>A.  Repeat several times until is sounds like you're playing behind
>Niagra falls.  FUN!
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> > I didn't say they are very noisey.  I said they all have hiss.  We do
> > not use amplifiers, we record direct into a roland VS2480, no
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Sorry to here that man.  Hope it was insured.

Mac G4 with a Mark of the Unicorn 828 firewire interface and Digital
Performer software.  It's got a great built in looper which is pretty
useful.

Mark Sottilaro

one less than none wrote:

> i was just wondering what recording equipment people usesince the
> robbery i have nothing, but i hope to get something soon ! David
> Swain d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk
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If you're running the latest OS, chances are you're going to want to the
foot board around, so you can use the FCB for all the new commands.

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> The FCB1010 looks great. Has anyone completely replaced the EDP foot board
> with the FCB1010? I can't think of any reason why this wouldn't work, but
> before I buy one, I'd like to know for sure.
>
> Thanks,
>
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From: "Richard Zvonar" 

> >Many note numerous repetitions = "looping."
> 
> Classical musicians call this an "ostinato."

Only the "obstinate" ones ;-)

Thanks for the clarifications!


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>as the fdb ped is a control voltage type  may it be possible to use 
>some midi to
>CV converter ????

decent idea!
the input can just as well take 0...5V, so it should be compatible, 
unless it would not go fully to 0 or 127 for some reason of 
adjustment...

>
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>actually, i've been wondering about this too.
>matthias has said in past messages that the edp uses an 8-bit 
>(0-256) value for the feedback pedal,
>but the midi continuous controller for feedback on the edp is 7-bit (0-127).

in Loop III, I made this separate treatement of pedal and MIDI, but 
since no one noticed the difference and I could save some precious 
cycles to program more interesting stuff, I reduced the whole FB 
control to 7 bits in Loop IV

also in this thread it was about the MIDI control of input and output.
Kim explained well about the input, which is not MIDI controllable at all.
The case of output is a little more complicated:
We can control the output volume of the CODEC by MIDI. Its only 6 
bits though. We use that for Velocity and Volume CC. The analog pedal 
controls a VCA, though, totally independent. Thats why the 
InterfaceModes that use the analog pedal for output volume control 
cannot be used with a MIDI pedal either.


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From: "Gary Phillips" 



> It's a good thing I didn't ask about a pedal
> effect to alter the cello's timbre......

You might wanna try a Digitech Whammy pedal.....




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     We used to make these paper airplanes when I was a kid.  Instead of a straw, we did it the
hard way, by folding a thin strip of paper into a triangle (3 folds) and gluing it into a
triangular straw shape.  They definitely fly best with the small loop in front.  They have a very
beautiful flight pattern, though the best thing about them is that they are all analog.  

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hmmm,

while gareth is receiving tahnks for posting info about a plugin that was
posted a week earlier by myself (who me bitter? :) you might also want to
thank him for posting the link to this plugin which looks a bit more
promising.  from the blurb:

Loopitch is a long-period high-feeback looping machine, akin to continuous
tape loops in "the old days" or digital Jam Man or Echoplex of today. Now
all the Fripp and Torn wannabes out there can have fun with a MIDI
controllable looper within a sequencing host!

http://www.tencrazy.com/Loopitch/



all in good humour
the invisible michael

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Try: SamplerStyle = Sta (LoopIV)

Mark

on 9/18/02 11:31 AM, Carsten Wegener at carsten@tyfoo.de wrote:

> I have multiple loops each with multiple cycles running and I want to change
> between them, but when the EDP switches to the next loop, the loop doesn´t
> start from the cycle, i want him to (normally cycle nr.1).  What did i do
> wrong?
> Thanks
> Carsten Wegener
> 
> 

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> It's a good thing I didn't ask about a pedal
> effect to alter the cello's timbre......
> 
> --
> gary

Here's a fairly popular device for altering timbre...

http://www.bltn.com/epona/images/chainsaw.jpg

I don't know if they make a pedal version though.

John




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Sorry mate - I missed your post.
It's all grist to the looping mill anyway eh?

Gareth


>
> hmmm,
>
> while gareth is receiving tahnks for posting info about a plugin that was
> posted a week earlier by myself (who me bitter? :) you might also want to
> thank him for posting the link to this plugin which looks a bit more
> promising.  from the blurb:
>
> Loopitch is a long-period high-feeback looping machine, akin to continuous
> tape loops in "the old days" or digital Jam Man or Echoplex of today. Now
> all the Fripp and Torn wannabes out there can have fun with a MIDI
> controllable looper within a sequencing host!
>
> http://www.tencrazy.com/Loopitch/
>
>
>
> all in good humour
> the invisible michael
>
>

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I have some shame-less self promotion.
Review attatched.

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   "Out of the Earth"
review.



Cameron J. Street : "Out of
the Earth" (self-released).

Dark Ambient/Isolationist.

Yum. If you're after luscious warm and eerie drones
of atmospheric

ambience, this is that. Cameron J Street's (CJS) 
music is of a very

similar ilk to and just as good as Brian Eno at
his ambient best (ie.

"Ambient on Land", "Thursday Afternoon").

Remarkably, the diverse sounds on this CD were apparently
made on the

bass guitar (in conjunction with effects devices
and objects like hair

rollers, marbles, squeeze toys, crash cymbals and
cellophane paper.

You'd never guess it was a bass guitar though (unless
you'd been tipped

off) as the sounds are quite unlike what you would
expect. This leads to

probably my only piece of criticism of CJS, that
his imagery is probably

going to hamper him. The front cover of the CD features
a picture of a

bass guitar in the soil. Unfortunately, many of
us remember the 1970s

and 80s and have been badly scarred by guitar iconography.
I imagine

many people might, on glance at the cover of this
CD, assume that it’s a

festival of fancy bass licks (which it thankfully
and certainly isn’t)

and they'd miss out big-time. A neutral CD cover,
and keeping the fact

this is made on a bass guitar for the inner sleeve,
would bypass most

ambient and isolationist music lovers prejudices
and greatly increase

the chances of this wonderful music being noticed.
Contact:c.jas@optusnet.com.au

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Wow that looks great can i order one?
bests
Louie







> 
> Here's a fairly popular device for altering
> timbre...
> 
> http://www.bltn.com/epona/images/chainsaw.jpg
> 
> I don't know if they make a pedal version though.
> 
> John
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The FCB1010 will do everything for you is great you
don´t need the EDP´s switch board anymore!
>
> 
> > The FCB1010 looks great. Has anyone completely
> replaced the EDP foot board
> > with the FCB1010? I can't think of any reason why
> this wouldn't work, but
> > before I buy one, I'd like to know for sure.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > klowy (aka wrinklemuzik)
> >
> 


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Matthias said

> since no one noticed the difference 

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
andy

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In all cultures people danced to music and music was needed to dance.
There are many ways it can happen though:

Most frequently the musician plays in a place where anyone can dance.
I hardly did that, so I will not talk about it.

In African religions, each Saint can be called with a specific rhythm 
and incorporates in a dancer. Although I admire such "radical" use of 
music, I keep rather distant from it. Still, we have to consider the 
trance nature of dancing! It may also happen if we are not quite 
aware of the Saints we call "by accident"...

Sometimes we manage a job to compose music for a given scene and movement.
I have done this, and found it very interesting, but its rather work 
for the computer than for real time looping.

I want to talk about what I know reasonably well: Improv with dancers
Looping is perfect for that, because it provides a precise repetitive 
part they can rely on and the freedom for the musician to illustrate 
the interpretations of the dancers.
It starts at the dancing lessons. I think many musicians could do 
that. Its not so demanding in the details and a brilliant way to 
practice, since you immediately see what you do! ** You have a public 
of artists ** ! Dancers are used to understand music and will extract 
the useful part of what you do.

Even if you dont play very well, as soon as you manage to follow the 
instructions of the leader of the group, setup some rhythm at the 
right speed and start and stop decently when its needed, you are more 
useful than CDs.
If you can also interpret some of the details of the movement, they 
love you! Just put some accent where arms flow in the air, a quick 
line where they run, a dark sound when they are on the floor... with 
time you go deeper...
If you can also feel the mood of the movement and put the right sound 
and can do smooth changes from one mood to the other to create a 
story, you deserve payment :-)
Then the real improv starts: Interaction as you know it from playing 
with other musicians, only that you are free to change harmonies and 
themes as you please. Suddenly the feeling comes up that no one 
follows the others yet all are together in one story!

I played for contact improvisation off and on for over a year now. 
More and more it turns into a ritual, the story becomes more dynamic, 
people let go their craziness. Its incredible refreshing also for me!

Now I have been called again to improve a modern dance piece about 
Peace I recorded the music for a while ago. The choreographer, former 
diva at the city theater for 15 years, started to become interested 
in improv. Before, she symbolized Peace as a flower, a mandala, a 
complex circular arrangement of the dancers with a complex loop I 
built according the form. It was beautiful, but now she sees Peace 
not so organized and "heavy" any more, rather free, happy, light... I 
could not agree more and supported her impression that this was best 
expressed through improvisation. Now, what surprised all of us: The 
dancers that were almost afraid of the improvisation learned to let 
go in only 10 minutes!

There is a trick to it: Start with some nicely educated loop and let 
them all show how good they are. After a while they feel that this 
does not lead anywhere, and you can follow this feeling by letting 
the music fall down into some strange chaos which leaves space for 
their unwill and depression. So there they start to let go. From 
there the real thing can grow and usually most participants come 
syncronized out of the chaos!

Respectfully slowly abandon the original directions and restrictions 
more and more while they like it, until you are totally free to fool 
around. At the end of the second session they all built a pile in the 
center and burst out in laughter!
Then they started saying that they dont want to study anything fixed 
any more, just enjoy...

And you feel reeeealy useful ! :-)
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Hey everyone, just got back from night one at the Found Object festival. I 
think it was a big success - well worth the sacrifice of a microphone, a 
microphone holding device and several exploded cans of coke.

Moe! opened up with a very energetic set of unaltered sounds run directly 
through the microphone. He banged it on stuff, smacked things together, 
broke somebody's hot dog, and in general gave us an excellent opening packed 
full of non-stop excitement. Bitchin!

Ven Voisey then followed, utlizing an edp, a tape machine, and several 
homemade contact mics. For the major musical element, he brought in a 
contraption with spinning motor brushes that he operated against several of 
the objects (bike frame, coke cans, large metal pipe) to create sustained 
noisy drones. This was interspersed with the sounds of a contact miked San 
Francisco Chronicle. At one point, he handed out several of the louder 
objects to audience members to contribute. I was coerced into riding the 
pogo stick, and ride it I did.

Ernesto's set consisted specifically of the textures specifically created by 
rubbing the microphone against the rough surfaces strewn about him. Some 
really interesting circular patterns came up with the 6 pack (now a 4 pack) 
of coke, the springy kitty toy, and pizza box.

Then a couple guys came off the street and gave us free Red Bulls just for 
the heck of it. Thanks guys.

SKIZMZ (pronounced "Skiz'ums" rather than "Skiz Mizz") was a group of four 
musicians from the "Friday Night Music" recording sessions down in the Menlo 
Park area. They created some rather musical rhythms by combining percussion 
on louder metal objects with microphoned plastic bottles and scruncing small 
things. (Think of Einsturzende Neubauten and Stomp holding hands, only 
without Blixa jumping in the air doing spin kicks.) At one point, the 
smashing of several cans of soft drink occurred. My looks of horror were 
pretty much an overreaction. The mess was surprisingly easy to clean up. My 
apologies and thanks to the audience members who were willing to get their 
object submissions back sticky for the cause of music making. Also thanks to 
the store across the street for their unbeatable prices on quality mops. In 
the end, I felt guilty for stressing about the mess. 10 minutes later it was 
just "the funny thing that happened that night". It was quite good to have 
them play, and they bought me a cheeseburger. (Thanks guys.)

Audiosports (Alberto Forero) prepared for his set by loading sounds of the 
remaining dry objects while the rest of us were de-stickifying the main 
stage area. By the time he started, he already had a supply of the object 
sounds loaded into his two sequencers, and he turned out a fine set of 
rhythmic musique concrete by using the rhythmic & pitch changing 
capabilities of those, as well as some guitar squashboxes. Way to go 
Alberto!

We had a decent crowd of people (25-30) show up. Some great object 
submissions, too.

Tomorrow (Friday) night we have Jon Wagner, Mark Sottilaro, myself, Jeremiah 
Moore and Rick Walker (in that order). As a whole, the show is probably 
going to have a lot more electronic manipulation and real-time 
sampling/looping than tonight's. 964 Natoma is a great space too. It's a big 
warehouse space with lots of futon seating, and the servingment of drinks. 
If you need directions, drop me an email, or since I'll be in and out most 
of the day, type the address into maps.yahoo.com. It's about 1.5 blocks from 
Market and Van Ness. (That's in San Francisco, at 8:00.)

Matt Davignon

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beatiful snip
 
> Respectfully slowly abandon the original directions and restrictions 
> more and more while they like it, until you are totally free to fool 
> around. At the end of the second session they all built a pile in the 
> center and burst out in laughter!
> Then they started saying that they dont want to study anything fixed 
> any more, just enjoy...
> 
> And you feel reeeealy useful ! :-)

falling in love again ?

<:=)

Claude

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>
>Dick: you will not be able to build anything like what's on the
>market--except perhaps the Z-Vex Lo Fi Looper, which is in the ballpark of
>what I'm looking at doing.  Do you know what a 3kHz bandwidth sounds like?
>No competition for Line 6 or Boss, to say the least.

hm... I would say you can do better, in some ways, just with 74HC 
chips. The most dificult probably is to find a CODEC that does not 
need a processor to start...
But you definitally need to know a little more than just soldering...
Why dont you contact that guy from uruguay who recently appeard on 
this list, he seems to have something going...

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>Matthias said
>
>>  since no one noticed the difference
>
>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>andy

well, you said the Loop III version had steps in the pedal input, wasnt it?
But that was due to the update detection, not resolution...
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>beatiful snip
>
>>  Respectfully slowly abandon the original directions and restrictions
>>  more and more while they like it, until you are totally free to fool
>>  around. At the end of the second session they all built a pile in the
>>  center and burst out in laughter!
>>  Then they started saying that they dont want to study anything fixed
>>  any more, just enjoy...
>>
>>  And you feel reeeealy useful ! :-)
>
>falling in love again ?
>
><:=)
>
>Claude

well, not yet, but really, I did not mention this nice side of the "work" ;-)
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Last minute for those who are in geneva switzerland tonight beguins at 9 Ill be
on at 10h30

in solo with loopers and toys
more
there
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hi,i've done a couple of more or less clones of the eh 16seconds delay,but 
with more memory...
you have to know what you're doing,but it's possible,i plan to post 
schematics,and if you love wire wrapping soldering,it's really fun

btw Mathias,i'm starting to work with cop8 family from national,my goal it's 
to design a looper just with this processor(cop8cdr9) and some supporting 
chips,i've seen a recorder project for voice messages with it,i got some 
free samples from them,and you don't need a developement system,just 4 wires 
connected to the printer port and the software they provide for free,once 
the hard part(the firmware)is ready,it's just a matter of flashing the 
memory ,so anyone could build it....and if someone in the list is skilled in 
micro programming,we could do a shared design...

curta,rapaz
>From: Matthias Grob 
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>Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 07:15:00 -0300
>
>>
>>Dick: you will not be able to build anything like what's on the
>>market--except perhaps the Z-Vex Lo Fi Looper, which is in the ballpark of
>>what I'm looking at doing.  Do you know what a 3kHz bandwidth sounds like?
>>No competition for Line 6 or Boss, to say the least.
>
>hm... I would say you can do better, in some ways, just with 74HC chips. 
>The most dificult probably is to find a CODEC that does not need a 
>processor to start...
>But you definitally need to know a little more than just soldering...
>Why dont you contact that guy from uruguay who recently appeard on this 
>list, he seems to have something going...
>
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It's not the Repeater....It's the Multiplier  !
...a type of random sample generator....!
(that dude could use a comb filter..)
or was that you, John...sorry....
I really do like artistic expresion...
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Louie Angulo wrote:

> Wow that looks great can i order one?
> bests
> Louie
>
> >
> > Here's a fairly popular device for altering
> > timbre...
> >
> > http://www.bltn.com/epona/images/chainsaw.jpg
> >
> > I don't know if they make a pedal version though.
> >
> > John

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Does anyone know if the looping thing is going on at Chama  tommorrow? 4pm-8pm?

I've never been...
Would like to hear how it is from  others who have gone.
Do things get going as early as 4pm or should I go a little later?
Crowded? Quiet?

TIA

Mike Berman
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This brings up a question I've been thinking about, sparked by someone at
Gibson telling me that getting 30 pin simms is hard.  I know that chip design
changes all the time, and OSs and apps are rewritten to use them and new
processors as well.  Why is Gibson/Aurisis struggeling with using old
hardware?  (Gibson expressed problems with availability and quality) Is the
port to new hardware that big an undertaking?

Mark

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> btw Mathias,i'm starting to work with cop8 family from national,my goal it's
> to design a looper just with this processor(cop8cdr9) and some supporting
> chips,i've seen a recorder project for voice messages with it,i got some
> free samples from them,and you don't need a developement system,just 4 wires
> connected to the printer port and the software they provide for free,once
> the hard part(the firmware)is ready,it's just a matter of flashing the
> memory ,so anyone could build it....and if someone in the list is skilled in
> micro programming,we could do a shared design...

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i'm using 2m x 8 bit static rams

best regards....


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>Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:51:46 -0700
>
>This brings up a question I've been thinking about, sparked by someone at
>Gibson telling me that getting 30 pin simms is hard.  I know that chip 
>design
>changes all the time, and OSs and apps are rewritten to use them and new
>processors as well.  Why is Gibson/Aurisis struggeling with using old
>hardware?  (Gibson expressed problems with availability and quality) Is the
>port to new hardware that big an undertaking?
>
>Mark
>
>juan darkness wrote:
>
> > btw Mathias,i'm starting to work with cop8 family from national,my goal 
>it's
> > to design a looper just with this processor(cop8cdr9) and some 
>supporting
> > chips,i've seen a recorder project for voice messages with it,i got some
> > free samples from them,and you don't need a developement system,just 4 
>wires
> > connected to the printer port and the software they provide for 
>free,once
> > the hard part(the firmware)is ready,it's just a matter of flashing the
> > memory ,so anyone could build it....and if someone in the list is 
>skilled in
> > micro programming,we could do a shared design...




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     Hi Mathias. I am glad to hear that you are playing for dance.You have 
some great insights in regards to working with dancers. As a professional 
Dance accompaniest (VCU Dance Dept./Richmond Ballet/Henrico HS/Latin Ballet 
of VA/ Yoga classes...), I greatly encourage all musicians to at least try 
working with dancers. For Loopers, Improv would be the best place to start. 
However, someone that was very adept a adjusting tempos and meters on the 
fly, may consider playing for technique classes as well. Mixed meter phrases 
would be very difficult to work with on a looping device though. 
     Along with technique classes, I have played for many Improv classes over 
the years. For some time I incorporated a Digitech RDS 7.6, then added a 
Jamman. The RDS 7.6 was great because it's delay time knob, of course, also 
changed the pitch of the loop. I could start with an approximately 2 or 4 
second loop, then take it down to 7.6 seconds. This usually gave me a good, 
dark bed of ambient sound to layer over, or fade in and out of. With 2 
loopers, asynchronous looping is particulary great for dance Improv. In most 
cases though, Improv likes to have a lot of change. Contact Improv is a 
somewhat different animal. In contact Improv you generally will find that you 
can change your soundscapes more gradually. 
     Live performance is of course very different than a classroom situation. 
Live Improv is where the most joy is. It is also the most challenging. 
     I will be doing a live improv with dancers and 2 other percussionists 
early next month. I don't know yet if we will be adding any looping into it. 
If we do, I will bring along my H3500DFX. 
     Take care, Marc  

In a message dated 9/20/2002 4:27:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
matthias@grob.org writes:


> I want to talk about what I know reasonably well: Improv with dancers
> Looping is perfect for that, because it provides a precise repetitive 
> part they can rely on and the freedom for the musician to illustrate 
> the interpretations of the dancers.
> It starts at the dancing lessons. I think many musicians could do 
> that. Its not so demanding in the details and a brilliant way to 
> practice, since you immediately see what you do! ** You have a public 
> of artists ** ! Dancers are used to understand music and will extract 
> the useful part of what you do.
> 
> Even if you dont play very well, as soon as you manage to follow the 
> instructions of the leader of the group, setup some rhythm at the 
> right speed and start and stop decently when its needed, you are more 
> useful than CDs.
> If you can also interpret some of the details of the movement, they 
> love you! Just put some accent where arms flow in the air, a quick 
> line where they run, a dark sound when they are on the floor... with 
> time you go deeper...
> If you can also feel the mood of the movement and put the right sound 
> and can do smooth changes from one mood to the other to create a 
> story, you deserve payment :-)
> Then the real improv starts: Interaction as you know it from playing 
> with other musicians, only that you are free to change harmonies and 
> themes as you please. Suddenly the feeling comes up that no one 
> follows the others yet all are together in one story!
> 
> I played for contact improvisation off and on for over a year now. 
> More and more it turns into a ritual, the story becomes more dynamic, 
> people let go their craziness. Its incredible refreshing also for me!
> 
> Now I have been called again to improve a modern dance piece about 
> Peace I recorded the music for a while ago. The choreographer, former 
> diva at the city theater for 15 years, started to become interested 
> in improv. Before, she symbolized Peace as a flower, a mandala, a 
> complex circular arrangement of the dancers with a complex loop I 
> built according the form. It was beautiful, but now she sees Peace 
> not so organized and "heavy" any more, rather free, happy, light... I 
> could not agree more and supported her impression that this was best 
> expressed through improvisation. Now, what surprised all of us: The 
> dancers that were almost afraid of the improvisation learned to let 
> go in only 10 minutes!
> 
> There is a trick to it: Start with some nicely educated loop and let 
> them all show how good they are. After a while they feel that this 
> does not lead anywhere, and you can follow this feeling by letting 
> the music fall down into some strange chaos which leaves space for 
> their unwill and depression. So there they start to let go. From 
> there the real thing can grow and usually most participants come 
> syncronized out of the chaos!
> 
> Respectfully slowly abandon the original directions and restrictions 
> more and more while they like it, until you are totally free to fool 
> around. At the end of the second session they all built a pile in the 
> center and burst out in laughter!
> Then they started saying that they dont want to study anything fixed 
> any more, just enjoy...
> 
> And you feel reeeealy useful ! :-)
> 


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     Hi Mathias. I am glad to hear that you are playing for dance.You have some great insights in regards to working with dancers. As a professional Dance accompaniest (VCU Dance Dept./Richmond Ballet/Henrico HS/Latin Ballet of VA/ Yoga classes...), I greatly encourage all musicians to at least try working with dancers. For Loopers, Improv would be the best place to start. However, someone that was very adept a adjusting tempos and meters on the fly, may consider playing for technique classes as well. Mixed meter phrases would be very difficult to work with on a looping device though. 

     Along with technique classes, I have played for many Improv classes over the years. For some time I incorporated a Digitech RDS 7.6, then added a Jamman. The RDS 7.6 was great because it's delay time knob, of course, also changed the pitch of the loop. I could start with an approximately 2 or 4 second loop, then take it down to 7.6 seconds. This usually gave me a good, dark bed of ambient sound to layer over, or fade in and out of. With 2 loopers, asynchronous looping is particulary great for dance Improv. In most cases though, Improv likes to have a lot of change. Contact Improv is a somewhat different animal. In contact Improv you generally will find that you can change your soundscapes more gradually. 

     Live performance is of course very different than a classroom situation. Live Improv is where the most joy is. It is also the most challenging. 

     I will be doing a live improv with dancers and 2 other percussionists early next month. I don't know yet if we will be adding any looping into it. If we do, I will bring along my H3500DFX. 

     Take care, Marc  



In a message dated 9/20/2002 4:27:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, matthias@grob.org writes:






I want to talk about what I know reasonably well: Improv with dancers

Looping is perfect for that, because it provides a precise repetitive 

part they can rely on and the freedom for the musician to illustrate 

the interpretations of the dancers.

It starts at the dancing lessons. I think many musicians could do 

that. Its not so demanding in the details and a brilliant way to 

practice, since you immediately see what you do! ** You have a public 

of artists ** ! Dancers are used to understand music and will extract 

the useful part of what you do.



Even if you dont play very well, as soon as you manage to follow the 

instructions of the leader of the group, setup some rhythm at the 

right speed and start and stop decently when its needed, you are more 

useful than CDs.

If you can also interpret some of the details of the movement, they 

love you! Just put some accent where arms flow in the air, a quick 

line where they run, a dark sound when they are on the floor... with 

time you go deeper...

If you can also feel the mood of the movement and put the right sound 

and can do smooth changes from one mood to the other to create a 

story, you deserve payment :-)

Then the real improv starts: Interaction as you know it from playing 

with other musicians, only that you are free to change harmonies and 

themes as you please. Suddenly the feeling comes up that no one 

follows the others yet all are together in one story!



I played for contact improvisation off and on for over a year now. 

More and more it turns into a ritual, the story becomes more dynamic, 

people let go their craziness. Its incredible refreshing also for me!



Now I have been called again to improve a modern dance piece about 

Peace I recorded the music for a while ago. The choreographer, former 

diva at the city theater for 15 years, started to become interested 

in improv. Before, she symbolized Peace as a flower, a mandala, a 

complex circular arrangement of the dancers with a complex loop I 

built according the form. It was beautiful, but now she sees Peace 

not so organized and "heavy" any more, rather free, happy, light... I 

could not agree more and supported her impression that this was best 

expressed through improvisation. Now, what surprised all of us: The 

dancers that were almost afraid of the improvisation learned to let 

go in only 10 minutes!



There is a trick to it: Start with some nicely educated loop and let 

them all show how good they are. After a while they feel that this 

does not lead anywhere, and you can follow this feeling by letting 

the music fall down into some strange chaos which leaves space for 

their unwill and depression. So there they start to let go. From 

there the real thing can grow and usually most participants come 

syncronized out of the chaos!



Respectfully slowly abandon the original directions and restrictions 

more and more while they like it, until you are totally free to fool 

around. At the end of the second session they all built a pile in the 

center and burst out in laughter!

Then they started saying that they dont want to study anything fixed 

any more, just enjoy...



And you feel reeeealy useful ! :-)







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  Matthias, excellent post!   -I like contact improv, but on the dancers'
side of it.  I've not played for one, but have thought for some time of
incorporating it into my own live performance, in the form of interpretive
dance and such, but being teathered to guitar, mic, controllers and such is
not real conducive to it.   ICK!!!  lol!  
  In your case, have you thought possibly of giving the dancers noise-maky
thingies and sampling them as they move?   It might be nice to loop what
comes out of that.  I like moving in rhythm with noisy bracelets or bells
or such.   It's a lot of fun, and can be quite musical.  
  Anyway, -just some thoughts, and again, wonderful post, thanks for
sharing it.   Have a wonderful weekend!...  

Smiles,

CQ

At 07:55 PM 9/19/02 -0300, you wrote:
>In all cultures people danced to music and music was needed to dance.
>There are many ways it can happen though:
>
>Most frequently the musician plays in a place where anyone can dance.
>I hardly did that, so I will not talk about it.
>
>In African religions, each Saint can be called with a specific rhythm 
>and incorporates in a dancer. Although I admire such "radical" use of 
>music, I keep rather distant from it. Still, we have to consider the 
>trance nature of dancing! It may also happen if we are not quite 
>aware of the Saints we call "by accident"...
>
>Sometimes we manage a job to compose music for a given scene and movement.
>I have done this, and found it very interesting, but its rather work 
>for the computer than for real time looping.
>
>I want to talk about what I know reasonably well: Improv with dancers
>Looping is perfect for that, because it provides a precise repetitive 
>part they can rely on and the freedom for the musician to illustrate 
>the interpretations of the dancers.
>It starts at the dancing lessons. I think many musicians could do 
>that. Its not so demanding in the details and a brilliant way to 
>practice, since you immediately see what you do! ** You have a public 
>of artists ** ! Dancers are used to understand music and will extract 
>the useful part of what you do.
>
>Even if you dont play very well, as soon as you manage to follow the 
>instructions of the leader of the group, setup some rhythm at the 
>right speed and start and stop decently when its needed, you are more 
>useful than CDs.
>If you can also interpret some of the details of the movement, they 
>love you! Just put some accent where arms flow in the air, a quick 
>line where they run, a dark sound when they are on the floor... with 
>time you go deeper...
>If you can also feel the mood of the movement and put the right sound 
>and can do smooth changes from one mood to the other to create a 
>story, you deserve payment :-)
>Then the real improv starts: Interaction as you know it from playing 
>with other musicians, only that you are free to change harmonies and 
>themes as you please. Suddenly the feeling comes up that no one 
>follows the others yet all are together in one story!
>
>I played for contact improvisation off and on for over a year now. 
>More and more it turns into a ritual, the story becomes more dynamic, 
>people let go their craziness. Its incredible refreshing also for me!
>
>Now I have been called again to improve a modern dance piece about 
>Peace I recorded the music for a while ago. The choreographer, former 
>diva at the city theater for 15 years, started to become interested 
>in improv. Before, she symbolized Peace as a flower, a mandala, a 
>complex circular arrangement of the dancers with a complex loop I 
>built according the form. It was beautiful, but now she sees Peace 
>not so organized and "heavy" any more, rather free, happy, light... I 
>could not agree more and supported her impression that this was best 
>expressed through improvisation. Now, what surprised all of us: The 
>dancers that were almost afraid of the improvisation learned to let 
>go in only 10 minutes!
>
>There is a trick to it: Start with some nicely educated loop and let 
>them all show how good they are. After a while they feel that this 
>does not lead anywhere, and you can follow this feeling by letting 
>the music fall down into some strange chaos which leaves space for 
>their unwill and depression. So there they start to let go. From 
>there the real thing can grow and usually most participants come 
>syncronized out of the chaos!
>
>Respectfully slowly abandon the original directions and restrictions 
>more and more while they like it, until you are totally free to fool 
>around. At the end of the second session they all built a pile in the 
>center and burst out in laughter!
>Then they started saying that they dont want to study anything fixed 
>any more, just enjoy...
>
>And you feel reeeealy useful ! :-)
>-- 
>
>
>          ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
>
>


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike B (digiboy)" 

> Does anyone know if the looping thing is going on at Chama  tommorrow?
4pm-8pm?

I think so. Check with


> I've never been...
> Would like to hear how it is from  others who have gone.

I used to go last Spring. It's fun, you can loop alone
or with others. I like to set up on the floor instead of
the stage so I can hear myself better.

Tomorrow, I'll be doing a solo show after open loop at 9:30.
Stick around and check it out.

> Do things get going as early as 4pm or should I go a little later?

It gets rolling around 4, show up at the begining, it might get busy
later on. I would usually play at least twice.

> Crowded?

I've never seen it too crowded.

> Quiet?

Depends. Most of the time everybody quieted down,
but not all the performers there get that response.

* David Beardsley
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>----- Original Message -----
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>
>>  Does anyone know if the looping thing is going on at Chama  tommorrow?
>4pm-8pm?

it certainly is, every Saturday in perpetuum.

I just sometimes forget to send out an announcement, is all....

     /t
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Michael, try this as a check up:
use your amps as they were monitors.
L+R outputs of the mixer have to go in the return inputs of both your amps.
I don't know your amps and where the dry/mix knob operates in the signal
flow.
The concept is you have to listen JUST to the signal coming from the mixer.
The impedance should be ok, cause the return input should be accepting a
preamplified signal (on this regard a suggestion from someone knowing your
amps would be a nice help).
You control the dry signal of your gtr by its channel's fader in the mixer,
the same way as you control the amount of effects.
If you need to have control on your clean signal to set its level by pedal,
we can come up to several solutions, but first I think you should check this
set up.
Basically you have to start thinking to your amp as composed by two separate
devices: one is the preamp section which drives your gtr signal to the mixer
and the other is the amplification section, which has to be fed JUST from
the mixer output, not in parallel with your gtr sound coming from the preamp
section.
Hope it works!
let me know.

luca


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Goddess said:

>Matthias, excellent post!

thank you!

>  -I like contact improv, but on the dancers' side of it.

hmm... I suspected...

>I've not played for one, but have thought for some time of
>incorporating it into my own live performance, in the form of interpretive
>dance and such, but being teathered to guitar, mic, controllers and such is
>not real conducive to it.   ICK!!!  lol!

I dont understand ICK...
Right, you can put the guitar down and dance to your loop! Especially 
interesting if you dont play alone, so another musician can play with 
your dancing...

It seems to me that contact improv is rather a set of roules and 
exercises to make people aware than a style to be shown on stage. 
Someone who went through such school can just improvise free, no?

>   In your case, have you thought possibly of giving the dancers noise-maky
>thingies and sampling them as they move?   It might be nice to loop what
>comes out of that.  I like moving in rhythm with noisy bracelets or bells
>or such.   It's a lot of fun, and can be quite musical.

good idea!
they do participate with stepping, clapping, even singing sometimes, 
but I did not think of looping that. But: how would you do it without 
creating feed back?
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Mark  said:

>As a professional Dance accompaniest (VCU Dance Dept./Richmond 
>Ballet/Henrico HS/Latin Ballet of VA/ Yoga classes...), I greatly 
>encourage all musicians to at least try working with dancers.

wow... how did you learn? Are there specific courses, a site...?

>Mixed meter phrases would be very difficult to work with on a 
>looping device though.

is that needed for techique classes? well, EDP has Next functions for this ;-)

>With 2 loopers, asynchronous looping is particulary great for dance Improv.

even more chaotic?!

>In most cases though, Improv likes to have a lot of change.

true, I switch the loop off pretty often to freely follow the 
movements until a new rhythm becomes stable.

>Contact Improv is a somewhat different animal. In contact Improv you 
>generally will find that you can change your soundscapes more 
>gradually.

true!

>      Live performance is of course very different than a classroom 
>situation. Live Improv is where the most joy is. It is also the most 
>challenging.

are there groups doing that for public? with rules? O does it look rather wild?

I have seen the video of our last impro and it did not look good. 
Seems that doing it, you have a better perception of what the idea is 
and rather concentrate on only one person or couple of the group and 
on TV you get the total picture which is pretty chaotic...
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>This brings up a question I've been thinking about, sparked by someone at
>Gibson telling me that getting 30 pin simms is hard.

no, its not!

>I know that chip design
>changes all the time, and OSs and apps are rewritten to use them and new
>processors as well.  Why is Gibson/Aurisis struggeling with using old
>hardware?  (Gibson expressed problems with availability and quality) Is the
>port to new hardware that big an undertaking?

You are right, Mark, it would be nice to have new HW
it takes time and we want the unit to be available ASAP
it takes money which has not been earned yet. I hope Gibson invests 
it at some point...

Boomerrang never updated either, by the way...


>juan darkness wrote:
>
>>  btw Mathias,i'm starting to work with cop8 family from national,my goal it's
>>  to design a looper just with this processor(cop8cdr9) and some supporting
>>  chips,i've seen a recorder project for voice messages with it,i got some
>>  free samples from them,and you don't need a developement system,just 4 wires
>>  connected to the printer port and the software they provide for free,once

what kind of software... does it loop?

>  > the hard part(the firmware)is ready,it's just a matter of flashing the
>>  memory ,so anyone could build it....and if someone in the list is skilled in
>>  micro programming,we could do a shared design...

well, I try to make a living out of it :-(
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Its full moon, my friends... did you live the animalistic procreation ritual?

this is not OT, sex is the primal form of improvisation!

How do you do it:
- without music?
- with any kind of music? please...
- ambient music? dance music?
- latest recordings of yours?
- you create a specific collection of appropriate pieces?
- you create the loop and let it run
- you keep coming back to the instruments to change the loop a little
- you play while she seduces you and then repeat...
- you play all the time. (wow!)
- you just sing or whisper ;-)

Any kind of music can be quite distracting. Specific music can be 
stimulating, syncronizing, conducting...
For me, it must have a lot of dynamic. And I always confirm we end up 
following it, even without listening to the music at all.
So it is interesting to create the music in the mood! ;-)

I met erotic films with quite good sound tracks, probably because the 
producer does not care, so the musician just improvises as he likes. 
Especially interesting with a DVD because the camera mic is the 
center channel, so you can unplug that and just get a 4 ch mix of the 
music...
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> Boomerrang never updated either, by the way...
> 

matthias.....in what way did boomerang not upgrade?.....michael

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Boomerrang never updated either, by the way...






matthias.....in what way did boomerang not upgrade?.....michael

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Hardware, I suppose.
BTW here in Italy trying to get my hands on 4mb 30pin simms has been a =
real loss of time. Every computer/electronics shop I've managed to =
contact has told me that the only way to find them was to find some old =
computer at pawn shops and look inside it. God, I've got a closet full =
of 1mb 30pin simms (all from old computers), and no 4mb for my oberheim =
edp. The only shop I found them in asked to me more than the price of a =
new 256Mb DDR400 for one.

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    Boomerrang never updated either, by the way...



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Hardware, I suppose.


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LOL. Never thought about this. One of the cds I've played more with an
ex-girlfriend has been the Hair soundtrack. Maybe the funky rhythm...
dunno...:-)
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> Its full moon, my friends... did you live the animalistic procreation
ritual?
>
> this is not OT, sex is the primal form of improvisation!
>
> How do you do it:
> - without music?
> - with any kind of music? please...
> - ambient music? dance music?
> - latest recordings of yours?
> - you create a specific collection of appropriate pieces?
> - you create the loop and let it run
> - you keep coming back to the instruments to change the loop a little
> - you play while she seduces you and then repeat...
> - you play all the time. (wow!)
> - you just sing or whisper ;-)
>
> Any kind of music can be quite distracting. Specific music can be
> stimulating, syncronizing, conducting...
> For me, it must have a lot of dynamic. And I always confirm we end up
> following it, even without listening to the music at all.
> So it is interesting to create the music in the mood! ;-)
>
> I met erotic films with quite good sound tracks, probably because the
> producer does not care, so the musician just improvises as he likes.
> Especially interesting with a DVD because the camera mic is the
> center channel, so you can unplug that and just get a 4 ch mix of the
> music...
> --
>
>
>           ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
>


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>>>  btw Mathias,i'm starting to work with cop8 family from national,my goal 
>>>it's
>>>  to design a looper just with this processor(cop8cdr9) and some 
>>>supporting
>>>  chips,i've seen a recorder project for voice messages with it,i got 
>>>some
>>>  free samples from them,and you don't need a developement system,just 4 
>>>wires
>>>  connected to the printer port and the software they provide for 
>>>free,once
>
>what kind of software... does it loop?

i was speaking of the developement software,the assembler,simulator...


>
>>  > the hard part(the firmware)is ready,it's just a matter of flashing the
>>>  memory ,so anyone could build it....and if someone in the list is 
>>>skilled in
>>>  micro programming,we could do a shared design...
>
>well, I try to make a living out of it :-(


i don't think this kind of design could even shade what your machine 
does,remenber it's still a lo fi design,with limitations...

thanks for your help


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Matthias:
> I met erotic films with quite good sound tracks, probably because the
> producer does not care, so the musician just improvises as he likes.
> Especially interesting with a DVD because the camera mic is the
> center channel, so you can unplug that and just get a 4 ch mix of the
> music...

"I'm only buying this DVD for the soundtrack?"  That's got to be the lamest
excuse since "I only buy Playboy for the articles"!!!

;)

~Mike

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Is there a chance to change the pitch of a loop with the EDP?
Do i need another tool to achieve this?
Carsten

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Since it seems I'm in such good company, I'll chime in that I
also dance Contact Improv.  Haven't played for a class yet,
but I keep it in mind as I work on my music chops.

One thing which I think will be possible with looping is to
get up for a minute and dance will the looper plays away...
Including the dancers in the music, putting the musician(s)
into
the dance, these things should be very possible with the
technology(nothing new of course).  This is part of my search 
for midi twiddlers.

Apparently there is some correlation between people who loop
and improvisational dancers.  Both are very free-form, with
some
structure to follow, and break when needed.

Yours in rhythm,
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i'm pretty sure you'll be needing an external device to alter the pitch.  something like the digitech whammy placed after the edp would do the trick.  i use my eventide processor to alter pitch, both pre- and post-loop.
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Carsten

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i'm pretty sure you'll be needing an external device to alter the pitch.  something like the digitech whammy placed after the edp would do the trick.  i use my eventide processor to alter pitch, both pre- and post-loop.

-jim

 Carsten Wegener wrote:

Is there a chance to change the pitch of a loop with the EDP?
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I offer this challenge to the Loopers of the world!

I defy ANY couple to successfully get freeky while The Carl Stalling
Project: Music From Warner Bros. Cartoons, 1936-1958 plays audibly in the
background.

And it you think you're up to the challenge, here's a link:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000002LJE/qid=1032640757/sr=1
-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-2873260-8271251?v=glance&s=music

Let the games begin!

:-)

David

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What an interesting thread!  I recently rec'd an e-mail from someone who had 
a copy of my CD, "A Caravan Of Dreams".  Seems he found it quite appropriate 
music for intimate evenings with his girlfriend.  She apparently enjoyed it 
quite a bit, too!  So much, in fact, that she borrowed it from him, only to 
return it a few days later stating that she could not listen to anymore 
without having a type of Pavlovian response!  Seems she was playing it in 
the car during the morning commute an the ensuing "Pavlovian orgasm" almost 
caused her to have an accident!

...somhow I need to quote this as a "review" of my CD (can't really think of 
a much better review :)

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At 12:54 PM 9/21/2002, Carsten Wegener wrote:
>Is there a chance to change the pitch of a loop with the EDP?
>Do i need another tool to achieve this?
>Carsten

with LoopIV installed you have the halfspeed function, which changes by an 
octave. But otherwise no.
kim


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At 12:13 PM 9/21/2002, Luigi Meloni wrote:
>BTW here in Italy trying to get my hands on 4mb 30pin simms has been a 
>real loss of time. Every computer/electronics shop I've managed to contact 
>has told me that the only way to find them was to find some old computer 
>at pawn shops and look inside it. God, I've got a closet full of 1mb 30pin 
>simms (all from old computers), and no 4mb for my oberheim edp. The only 
>shop I found them in asked to me more than the price of a new 256Mb DDR400 
>for one.

you can easily find them new at any online memory dealer. They cost less 
than $5.

kim


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Wow, great topic!

Anyone who's into "scening", role-play, or BDSM, can tell you that choice 
of music can become an absolutely integral part of the overall mood.  For 
some reason, our usual default has been having some or other CD by Dead Can 
Dance playing in the background.  Dunno if that's been because it's 
generally handy, or because they're pretty good at setting a dark, gothic 
mood behind our activities.

For straight sex, we usually end up using something about 110-120bpm with a 
beat.  Old eighties dance-cheeze is cool (Depeche Mode, Blancmange, etc.), 
or non-distracting Techno can do as well.  Or if we're in a more laid-back 
mood, Trip-Hop can get things moving, although I'm not too crazy about 
using Portishead in particular -- preferring instead Massive Attack, or the 
first Sneaker Pimps album.

Hrm, I'm listening to Skinny Puppy's "Last Rights" in the background as I'm 
typing this.  Now you guys have got me wondering what kind of sick & 
twisted scene I could put together with that... <*evil grin*>

         -c-


At 09:17 PM 9/21/2002 +0200, Luigi Meloni wrote:
>LOL. Never thought about this. One of the cds I've played more with an
>ex-girlfriend has been the Hair soundtrack. Maybe the funky rhythm...
>dunno...:-)
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Matthias Grob" 
>To: 
>Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 8:13 PM
>Subject: adult only loops
>
>
> > Its full moon, my friends... did you live the animalistic procreation
>ritual?
> >
> > this is not OT, sex is the primal form of improvisation!
> >
> > How do you do it:
> > - without music?
> > - with any kind of music? please...
> > - ambient music? dance music?
> > - latest recordings of yours?
> > - you create a specific collection of appropriate pieces?
> > - you create the loop and let it run
> > - you keep coming back to the instruments to change the loop a little
> > - you play while she seduces you and then repeat...
> > - you play all the time. (wow!)
> > - you just sing or whisper ;-)
> >
> > Any kind of music can be quite distracting. Specific music can be
> > stimulating, syncronizing, conducting...
> > For me, it must have a lot of dynamic. And I always confirm we end up
> > following it, even without listening to the music at all.
> > So it is interesting to create the music in the mood! ;-)
> >
> > I met erotic films with quite good sound tracks, probably because the
> > producer does not care, so the musician just improvises as he likes.
> > Especially interesting with a DVD because the camera mic is the
> > center channel, so you can unplug that and just get a 4 ch mix of the
> > music...
> > --
> >
> >
> >           ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
> >

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Sorry David!

As a cartoonist I have absolutely no problem having fun during (Raymond
Scott's) "Powerhouse", or (I think it's called) "Suite for a Group of Hungry
Cannibals".  I've had the "Carl Stalling Project" for some time anyway...
though I'd never get caught with it on 'during' on purpose, of course.

S.P. Goodman
EarthLight Productions
*
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http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine!

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> I offer this challenge to the Loopers of the world!
>
> I defy ANY couple to successfully get freeky while The Carl Stalling
> Project: Music From Warner Bros. Cartoons, 1936-1958 plays audibly in the
> background.
>
> And it you think you're up to the challenge, here's a link:
>
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000002LJE/qid=1032640757/sr=1
> -1/ref=sr_1_1/002-2873260-8271251?v=glance&s=music
>
> Let the games begin!
>
> :-)
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>

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I think Adult only Loops are possibly the hands down the niche of AKASH and 
say one other group which I can think & know of at present 

But in addition to our having over 4 years of ...hehehehe "hands on" 
experience delivering loops LIVE in the most provocative and decadent - group 
sexual situations imaginable and also from a perspective including numerous 
GRIN pleasurable &/or painful ways to engage arousal, we can certainly tell 
ya a few stories about Loops, sexuality - rituals or out n out animal 
pairings of libidos between consenting adults where a certain type of 
moodmusic and loops in abundance have been employed to great effect :)


Warmest Regards,
"AKASH"
"The World's Most Erotic Band"
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic
REMEMBER TO ALWAYS KILL YOUR EXPECTATIONS






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I think Adult only Loops are possibly the hands down the niche of AKASH and say one other group which I can think & know of at present 



But in addition to our having over 4 years of ...hehehehe "hands on" experience delivering loops LIVE in the most provocative and decadent - group sexual situations imaginable and also from a perspective including numerous GRIN pleasurable &/or painful ways to engage arousal, we can certainly tell ya a few stories about Loops, sexuality - rituals or out n out animal pairings of libidos between consenting adults where a certain type of moodmusic and loops in abundance have been employed to great effect :)





Warmest Regards,

"AKASH"

"The World's Most Erotic Band"

http://www.akashmusic.com

http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic

REMEMBER TO ALWAYS KILL YOUR EXPECTATIONS












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Hi folks-

It has been brought to my attention that a few of the recent Looper's 
Delight digests were unviewable for some subscribers due to people posting 
in HTML from Microsoft Outlook Express 6.0.

Apparently this new version of Outlook uses HTML 4.0, which some browsers 
and mail clients are not compatible with. It may also be that Outlook is 
generating buggy or non-standard html code, since that has been a problem 
with some Microsoft products in the past. It sure is ugly looking html, in 
any case.

Please be a good list citizen and post to the list in plain text. Turn off 
the HTML option in your mail program. The HTML doesn't add anything useful 
to your posts and just wastes a lot of bandwidth on the server. And now it 
seems it is ruining entire digests for some people.

Most people do post in plain text, and I'm hoping that this reminder is 
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to the list server that simply reject your posts.

thanks,
kim



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>I think Adult only Loops are possibly the hands down the niche of 
>AKASH and say one other group which I can think & know of at present

I sure expected you to react here...

>But in addition to our having over 4 years of ...hehehehe "hands on" 
>experience delivering loops LIVE in the most provocative and 
>decadent - group sexual situations imaginable and also from a 
>perspective including numerous GRIN pleasurable &/or painful ways to 
>engage arousal, we can certainly tell ya a few stories about Loops, 
>sexuality - rituals or out n out animal pairings of libidos between 
>consenting adults where a certain type of moodmusic and loops in 
>abundance have been employed to great effect :)

thats nice. tell one, at least!


-- 


          ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org

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The music is a hoot.  Expressive and joyous!

But it's a different affaire in bed -- and it does take two to get freeky.
While perhaps you may have an ability to keep focused with Carl Stalling
audibly heard in the room, can your partner?  :-)

david

----- Original Message -----
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> Sorry David!
>
> As a cartoonist I have absolutely no problem having fun during (Raymond
> Scott's) "Powerhouse", or (I think it's called) "Suite for a Group of
Hungry
> Cannibals".  I've had the "Carl Stalling Project" for some time anyway...
> though I'd never get caught with it on 'during' on purpose, of course.
>
> S.P. Goodman
> EarthLight Productions
> *
> http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations!
> http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 21:49:PM
> Subject: Re: adult only loops - sex is impossible w/Carl Stalling
playing...
>
>
> > I offer this challenge to the Loopers of the world!
> >
> > I defy ANY couple to successfully get freeky while The Carl Stalling
> > Project: Music From Warner Bros. Cartoons, 1936-1958 plays audibly in
the
> > background.
> >
> > And it you think you're up to the challenge, here's a link:
> >
>
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000002LJE/qid=1032640757/sr=1
> > -1/ref=sr_1_1/002-2873260-8271251?v=glance&s=music
> >
> > Let the games begin!
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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Hi, all:

I know there was a lot of discussion about this in the past, but does the
FCB1010 adequately support the Repeater?

I was just going to pop for one as there were some anomalies with my current
pedal and the Repeater.

Regards, Paul

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Hey kids,

After seeing Matt D's amazing found object set, my wife started talking 
about using field recordings in her music.  I figure a MD 
player/recorder would be the way to go, but which one?  What's the best 
model currently made?  Do they all have mic inputs?  CNET didn't seem 
to mention this feature on any of them.  A recommendation for a decent 
stereo mic would be useful too.

thanks,

Mark Sottilaro

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I went through a bunch of MIDI control pedals, some as much as 2.5x as 
expensive than the Behringer.  It is by far the best of the bunch.

Mark Sottilaro

On Sunday, September 22, 2002, at 06:38  PM, Butch wrote:

> Hi, all:
>
> I know there was a lot of discussion about this in the past, but does 
> the
> FCB1010 adequately support the Repeater?
>
> I was just going to pop for one as there were some anomalies with my 
> current
> pedal and the Repeater.
>
> Regards, Paul
>

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At 10:11 AM 9/19/2002, Louie Angulo wrote:
>I have a drum loop recorded on the repeater and want
>to sync it with the EDP,the EDP being the master.When
>i record a guitar loop on the EDP the sample doesn´t
>exactly sync like my drum computer does,it is too slow
>or too fast.I have to manually mess around with the
>EDP´s 8th/beat untill i find the right value for them
>to sync well.My question is how do you determine the
>correct value? (ex.when the EDP reads 3.0 seconds the
>repeater reads 161.3 BPM)

Hi Louie-
8ths/cycle (or 8ths/beat as it used to be called on older units) is the 
number of 8th notes in a cycle on the Echoplex. This number is used to 
determine how the tempo of the midi clock relates to the length of your loop.

So for example, if you set 8ths/cycle to 8, and record a 3.0 second loop, 
that means eight 8th notes occur during 3 seconds. This would be equal to 
80 BPM, and that is the tempo of the midi clock that the Echoplex will 
send. Similarly, if you set 8ths/cycle to 16, your 3 second loop would 
correspond to 160 BPM.

If the drum loop you have in your repeater is a 2 bar loop in 4/4 time, 
that is 16 eighth notes. If you set the 8th/cycle parameter to 16 and 
record a two bar loop on the Echoplex, the drum loop should play in time 
with your echoplex loop.

kim




______________________________________________________________________
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> After seeing Matt D's amazing found object set, my wife started talking 
> about using field recordings in her music.  I figure a MD 
> player/recorder would be the way to go, but which one?  What's the best 
> model currently made?  Do they all have mic inputs?  CNET didn't seem 
> to mention this feature on any of them.  A recommendation for a decent 
> stereo mic would be useful too.
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Mark Sottilaro

Some useful MD links:
http://www.minidisco.com/
http://www.minidisc.org/

Cheers,
Scott M2

http://www.dreamSTATE.to
ambientelectronicsoundscapes
http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com

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I'm currently using a Sony MZ-N1 with a MS-stereo electret condenser mic,
Sony ECM-MS907.  It provides 12 hours recording with internal Ni-MH battery,
or 30 hours with additional AA battery attached.

I just got this set-up about 6 months ago and I've been very pleased with
the results and have found it to be pretty forgiving of the range of input
levels I use the record.

The Sony MZ-N1 comes with a USB cradle that hooks up to your PC to
high-speed ~upload~ files to MD using the NetMD software (PC ONLY!).
Unfortunately, this software does not support song download from MD, which
is a *HUGE* bummer. So you either have to download from the MD digitally or
using analog audio and some other software. . I can't tell you how many
people buy these units expecting to drag 'n drop material they recorded on
the MD to their PC using NetMD ... it just isn't going to happen. I use
analog audio into a Creative Labs SoundBlaster Audigy Platinum with Sound
Forge 6.0

The NetMD software is at least nice to help manage files on a MD using your
PC ... reorganizing songs, naming them, remote control from PC, etc ... but
there are many limitations.I would definitely check into the NetMD software
some more and reach your own conclusion whether it add value for you ... you
either like it or hate it.

Here's more details on this unit and NetMD software:
http://www.minidisc.org/brian_youn/mzn1/

Ohhh, the only other thing I hate is that almost all vendors don't provide
some sort of protective case with these players, so plan on spening a little
more money on a case. I ended up getting a small Case Logic deal the fit my
MD, mic, spare battery, and a few extra MDs.



----- Original Message -----
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> Hey kids,
>
> After seeing Matt D's amazing found object set, my wife started talking
> about using field recordings in her music.  I figure a MD
> player/recorder would be the way to go, but which one?  What's the best
> model currently made?  Do they all have mic inputs?  CNET didn't seem
> to mention this feature on any of them.  A recommendation for a decent
> stereo mic would be useful too.
>
> thanks,
>
> Mark Sottilaro
>

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too late, we do all the time and
elsa popping
and jj perry

David wrote:

> I offer this challenge to the Loopers of the world!
>
> I defy ANY couple to successfully get freeky while The Carl Stalling
> Project: Music From Warner Bros. Cartoons, 1936-1958 plays audibly in the
> background.
>
> And it you think you're up to the challenge, here's a link:
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000002LJE/qid=1032640757/sr=1
> -1/ref=sr_1_1/002-2873260-8271251?v=glance&s=music
>
> Let the games begin!
>
> :-)
>
> David

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i'll show you sunday

Mark Sottilaro wrote:

> Hey kids,
>
> After seeing Matt D's amazing found object set, my wife started talking
> about using field recordings in her music.  I figure a MD
> player/recorder would be the way to go, but which one?  What's the best
> model currently made?  Do they all have mic inputs?  CNET didn't seem
> to mention this feature on any of them.  A recommendation for a decent
> stereo mic would be useful too.
>
> thanks,
>
> Mark Sottilaro

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In a message dated 9/21/02 4:23:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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> Apparently there is some correlation between people who loop
> and improvisational dancers

the music i truely like is that to which i can tap my toes.....i have never 
danced in my life and im ready to take danz lessons at this point in 
time.....good good stuff.....it coincides with my thoughts on "looping 
naked".....matthias, you're right!.....its da moon!!!.....michael

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Apparently there is some correlation between people who loop

and improvisational dancers




the music i truely like is that to which i can tap my toes.....i have never danced in my life and im ready to take danz lessons at this point in time.....good good stuff.....it coincides with my thoughts on "looping naked".....matthias, you're right!.....its da moon!!!.....michael

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In a message dated 9/21/02 5:30:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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> Seems she was playing it in 
> the car during the morning commute 

wow.....what did i just listen to wed. while scootin around, the mighty MAX 
VALENTINO "A CARAVAN OF DREAMS" cd.....its a small world 
afterall!.....michael

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Seems she was playing it in 

the car during the morning commute 




wow.....what did i just listen to wed. while scootin around, the mighty MAX VALENTINO "A CARAVAN OF DREAMS" cd.....its a small world afterall!.....michael

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In a message dated 9/21/02 6:13:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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> you can easily find them new at any online memory dealer

why do i shiver at lines like that?.....omd's huh?.....michael

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you can easily find them new at any online memory dealer




why do i shiver at lines like that?.....omd's huh?.....michael

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In a message dated 9/21/2002 5:25:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time,=20
matthias@grob.org writes:


> thats nice. tell one, at least!
>=20
OK Matthias - U asked so here goes=E2=80=A6:)

This is actually a true story, I kid u not. hehehe a la penthouse forum=20
letters=20

*warning sexually explicit subject matter*

AKASH has been playing Swingers & BDSM Clubs all across America and in The=20
UK, France and in Germany since late 98.

AKASH actually began as a joke where me and a few friends were talking about=
=20
Fripp and his Pizza Hut tour and what could possibly be more unusual in term=
s=20
of venues to perform at....and I began to think what if someone were to take=
=20
that whole Frippian view point but in select bits and pieces and apply it in=
=20
a more commercial extreme of sorts and invert it/subvert it without the=20
reverence for Fripp & by not even remotely sounding like Fripp

Hence I went on tour playing in Adult Bookstores in NJ - Admiral Wilson Blvd=
,=20
NYC and Philly...AKASH ( which means Endless Sky or Sky ) the name of a=20
friend I had known from India and it just popped into my mind as bein the=20
perfect name for this project: AKASH was oficially born...that was an=20
experience in and of it self too.

AKASH has now grown and evolved considerably and run a lot longer than I eve=
r=20
imaginged it could or would with some of the worlds best musicians/ IMHO  (=20
G. Calvin Weston of Ornette Coleman, James Blood, Elliot Levin - Cecil=20
taylor, GONG, Teddy Pendergrass, Josh Wink, Charles Duquesne from God Lives=20
Underwater and many many others who are all fantastic=20
performers/musicians/artists/script writers etc )

On a related tangent to another post I caught earlier, I actually believe=20
humor is an integral part of sex and also key to selling sex here in America=
.

and IMHO in terms of guys ability to win chicks over - a sense of humor=20
usually works very well with good listening skills and sometimes supplants=20
looks and money..

& why not get freaky with Looney Tunes playing as laughter definitely=20
lightens inhibitions more than drugs or alcohol IMHO and allows people to be=
=20
more honest than ever about their own desires, curiousities if used=20
skillfully and with sincerity.=20

But i can tell ya, Matthias one particular story that stands out in my mind.

This story is about being in the middle of an orgy room where im playin a=20
solo over a what I believe was the ultimate loop i ever cooked up in all my=20
life, while also watching/visually and emotionally connecting to a beautiful=
=20
naked woman who was riding a fully naked man whose face was obscured because=
=20
another woman was sitting on his face while she was orally servicing another=
=20
man who was extremely well endowed.

and then in the same instant, seeing Loralai of AKASH who was supposed ot be=
=20
playing guitar that nite, but instead, I see Loralai with her Ass spread wid=
e=20
and a man I've never seen before licking deeply into her posterior while at=20
the same time a beautiful leather clad black woman with a rubber gloved hand=
=20
is slowly and almost completely fisting Loralai's other self lubricating=20
orifice=E2=80=A6

and all of this while the music is building to a fever pitch... the eye=20
contact is intense ...and we are all pushing our energy higher & together...

and what we feel and see going into each other is what we are all doing=20
toward raising the intensity up a notch from where we receive it...=20

and the energy is being fed now completely at this point by the music and=20
with each other thru every glance... every repetition of the loop and =20
specific notes which are highlighting and accentuating the points where we=20
all can get inside the groove way deep in the "hole"...

I then start to do a John Mclaughlin-esque bend slowly @ 1st...
&
then more hurriedly ...

bending the high E string to where I think it will break ( but it doesn't )=20
...

I ascend chromatically up & up and Up and Upppppppppppppppppp=E2=80=A6

and well ...

LOL I am certain y'all get the picture by now.

But Sex play is no different than playing music...same dymanimcs of group=20
interplay come into play and IMHO the 1st ever energy anywhere was that=20
sexual energy.

But that one nite I just mentioned - in particular - stands as one of the=20
most memorable ever in terms of the music AKASH has played and the connectio=
n=20
made with the audience.

BDSM shows are also a lot of fun too ( and the majority of the shows we play=
=20
as AKASH are in BDSM clubs or BDSM themed ) and all about psychology and=20
ambience and less animated in most cases ( usually solo guitar or situations=
=20
where we have installed music in place and also have Loralai, Iris senseles,=
=20
RC Horsch or The Rev Johnny Hell present to provide Fire, Torture, Ropeplay,=
=20
Piercing, Candlewax etc  ).

But the main idea for BDSM shows is not to be as obviously there and present=
=20
as much as we are there to open up imaginations and add to the intense=20
psychological exchanges of power and not get in the middle of activities lik=
e=20
we do with Swingers Clubs.

The beauty of the sex club route in general wasthat it was a way to play=20
music which we enjoyed without having restrictions or limitations.

Sex Clubs were and still are a niche which at 1st helped us brand ourselves=20
and also get paid decent wages with an audience that was tanghible,=20
consistent and loyal.

& theres just sooooooooooo many AKASH stories ( the shows are not the wildes=
t=20
affairs - its the after parties ) which are not just from my perspective=20
alone as you name it or if u can imagine it, it is there in the evolving=20
AKASH story

But looping and sex are the most natural combinations IMHO as that repetitio=
n=20
and variations on that in the moment thru improvising and embellishing &=20
being in a state of mind open to all possibilities, based upon listening and=
=20
hearing others and then playing music that plays you...sex and music are=20
indistinguishable.

Warmest Regards,
John Price/ "AKASH"
"The World's Most Erotic Band"
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic
"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"

.


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In a message dated 9/21/2002 5:25:36 PM Pacific Daylig=
ht Time, matthias@grob.org writes:






thats nice. tell one, at least!=





OK Matthias - U asked so her=
e goes=E2=80=A6:)



This is actually a true story, I kid u not. hehehe a la penthouse forum lett=
ers 



*warning sexually explicit subject matter*



AKASH has been playing Swingers & BDSM Clubs all across America and in T=
he UK, France and in Germany since late 98.



AKASH actually began as a joke where me and a few friends were talking about=
 Fripp and his Pizza Hut tour and what could possibly be more unusual in ter=
ms of venues to perform at....and I began to think what if someone were to t=
ake that whole Frippian view point but in select bits and pieces and apply i=
t in a more commercial extreme of sorts and invert it/subvert it without the=
 reverence for Fripp & by not even remotely sounding like Fripp



Hence I went on tour playing in Adult Bookstores in NJ - Admiral Wilson Blvd=
, NYC and Philly...AKASH ( which means Endless Sky or Sky ) the name of a fr=
iend I had known from India and it just popped into my mind as bein the perf=
ect name for this project: AKASH was oficially born...that was an experience=
 in and of it self too.



AKASH has now grown and evolved considerably and run a lot longer than I eve=
r imaginged it could or would with some of the worlds best musicians/ IMHO&n=
bsp; ( G. Calvin Weston of Ornette Coleman, James Blood, Elliot Levin - Ceci=
l taylor, GONG, Teddy Pendergrass, Josh Wink, Charles Duquesne from God Live=
s Underwater and many many others who are all fantastic performers/musicians=
/artists/script writers etc )



On a related tangent to another post I caught earlier, I actually believe hu=
mor is an integral part of sex and also key to selling sex here in America.<=
BR>


and IMHO in terms of guys ability to win chicks over - a sense of humor usua=
lly works very well with good listening skills and sometimes supplants looks=
 and money..



& why not get freaky with Looney Tunes playing as laughter definitely li=
ghtens inhibitions more than drugs or alcohol IMHO and allows people to be m=
ore honest than ever about their own desires, curiousities if used skillfull=
y and with sincerity. 



But i can tell ya, Matthias one particular story that stands out in my mind.=




This story is about being in the middle of an orgy room where im playin a so=
lo over a what I believe was the ultimate loop i ever cooked up in all my li=
fe, while also watching/visually and emotionally connecting to a beautiful n=
aked woman who was riding a fully naked man whose face was obscured because=20=
another woman was sitting on his face while she was orally servicing another=
 man who was extremely well endowed.



and then in the same instant, seeing Loralai of AKASH who was supposed ot be=
 playing guitar that nite, but instead, I see Loralai with her Ass spread wi=
de and a man I've never seen before licking deeply into her posterior while=20=
at the same time a beautiful leather clad black woman with a rubber gloved h=
and is slowly and almost completely fisting Loralai's other self lubricating=
 orifice=E2=80=A6



and all of this while the music is building to a fever pitch... the eye cont=
act is intense ...and we are all pushing our energy higher & together...=




and what we feel and see going into each other is what we are all doing towa=
rd raising the intensity up a notch from where we receive it... 



and the energy is being fed now completely at this point by the music and wi=
th each other thru every glance... every repetition of the loop and  sp=
ecific notes which are highlighting and accentuating the points where we all=
 can get inside the groove way deep in the "hole"...



I then start to do a John Mclaughlin-esque bend slowly @ 1st...

&

then more hurriedly ...



bending the high E string to where I think it will break ( but it doesn't )=20=
...



I ascend chromatically up & up and Up and Upppppppppppppppppp=E2=80=A6


and well ...



LOL I am certain y'all get the picture by now.



But Sex play is no different than playing music...same dymanimcs of group in=
terplay come into play and IMHO the 1st ever energy anywhere was that sexual=
 energy.



But that one nite I just mentioned - in particular - stands as one of the mo=
st memorable ever in terms of the music AKASH has played and the connection=20=
made with the audience.



BDSM shows are also a lot of fun too ( and the majority of the shows we play=
 as AKASH are in BDSM clubs or BDSM themed ) and all about psychology and am=
bience and less animated in most cases ( usually solo guitar or situations w=
here we have installed music in place and also have Loralai, Iris senseles,=20=
RC Horsch or The Rev Johnny Hell present to provide Fire, Torture, Ropeplay,=
 Piercing, Candlewax etc  ).



But the main idea for BDSM shows is not to be as obviously there and present=
 as much as we are there to open up imaginations and add to the intense psyc=
hological exchanges of power and not get in the middle of activities like we=
 do with Swingers Clubs.



The beauty of the sex club route in general wasthat it was a way to play mus=
ic which we enjoyed without having restrictions or limitations.



Sex Clubs were and still are a niche which at 1st helped us brand ourselves=20=
and also get paid decent wages with an audience that was tanghible, consiste=
nt and loyal.



& theres just sooooooooooo many AKASH stories ( the shows are not the wi=
ldest affairs - its the after parties ) which are not just from my perspecti=
ve alone as you name it or if u can imagine it, it is there in the evolving=20=
AKASH story



But looping and sex are the most natural combinations IMHO as that repetitio=
n and variations on that in the moment thru improvising and embellishing &am=
p; being in a state of mind open to all possibilities, based upon listening=20=
and hearing others and then playing music that plays you...sex and music are=
 indistinguishable.



Warmest Regards,

John Price/ "AKASH"

"The World's Most Erotic Band"

http://www.akashmusic.com

http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic<=
BR>
"Remember To Always Kill You=
r Expectations"



.




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--- AKASHMUSIC@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 9/21/2002 5:25:36 PM Pacific
> Daylight Time, 
> 
> This is actually a true story, I kid u not. hehehe a
> la penthouse forum 
> letters 
> 
> *warning sexually explicit subject matter*
>

Do your roadies drop a lot of equipment during the
load-out? It seems like that stuff would get awful
slippery.

John 



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  I'll reply below, K?  

CQ

At 03:09 PM 9/21/02 -0300, you wrote:
>Goddess said:
>
>>Matthias, excellent post!
>
>thank you!
>
>>  -I like contact improv, but on the dancers' side of it.
>
>hmm... I suspected...
>
>>I've not played for one, but have thought for some time of
>>incorporating it into my own live performance, in the form of interpretive
>>dance and such, but being teathered to guitar, mic, controllers and such is
>>not real conducive to it.   ICK!!!  lol!
>
>I dont understand ICK...

  I just meant some expression like Yuck, or  something similar.   I
sometimes say "Ick!..."  
>Right, you can put the guitar down and dance to your loop! Especially 
>interesting if you dont play alone, so another musician can play with 
>your dancing...

  I tend to play solo when looping live, save recently.  -and since that's
the case, I'm always adding music to a loop almost constantly>
>It seems to me that contact improv is rather a set of roules and 
>exercises to make people aware than a style to be shown on stage.

  I'm thinking more of the idea of improv itself in the form of a more
physical expression in movement along with the music.  -Basing it on what I
might do in contact...  
   
>Someone who went through such school can just improvise free, no?  

  Yes, I do anyway to an extent, but not nearly as much as I'd like to, for
my previous reasons.  


>
>>   In your case, have you thought possibly of giving the dancers noise-maky
>>thingies and sampling them as they move?   It might be nice to loop what
>>comes out of that.  I like moving in rhythm with noisy bracelets or bells
>>or such.   It's a lot of fun, and can be quite musical.
>
>good idea!
>they do participate with stepping, clapping, even singing sometimes, 
>but I did not think of looping that. But: how would you do it without 
>creating feed back?  

  Simple, eliminate the dry signal, and then simply keep the delayed or
looped signal.   -or, use two shotgun mics or very directional mics, and
place the speakers right behind them.  I'd prefer eliminating the direct
signal though.  

  Have a wonderful weekend!  

Smiles,

CQ


>-- 
>
>
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>
>


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     -Well SPILL IT THEN!!!   lol!  -do tell...  -go a little
further than light flirtation...   lol!    

Smiles,

CQ

At 07:31 PM 9/21/02 EDT, you wrote:
>& know of at present 
> 
>&/or painful ways to engage arousal, we can certainly tell ya a few stories
>about Loops, sexuality - rituals or out n out animal pairings of libidos
>between consenting adults where a certain type of moodmusic and loops in
>abundance have been employed to great effect :)
> 
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> "AKASH"
> "The World's Most Erotic Band"
> http://www.akashmusic.com
> http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic
> REMEMBER TO ALWAYS KILL YOUR EXPECTATIONS
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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  Wow!, would you care to send one my way?!   lol!  

Smiles,

CQ

At 09:29 PM 9/21/02 +0000, you wrote:
>What an interesting thread!  I recently rec'd an e-mail from someone who had 
>a copy of my CD, "A Caravan Of Dreams".  Seems he found it quite appropriate 
>music for intimate evenings with his girlfriend.  She apparently enjoyed it 
>quite a bit, too!  So much, in fact, that she borrowed it from him, only to 
>return it a few days later stating that she could not listen to anymore 
>without having a type of Pavlovian response!  Seems she was playing it in 
>the car during the morning commute an the ensuing "Pavlovian orgasm" almost 
>caused her to have an accident!
>
>...somhow I need to quote this as a "review" of my CD (can't really think of 
>a much better review :)
>
>Max
>
>
>
>
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  Thanks for bringing this up, it's funny, I was just saying to Bret of
Brother Sync the other day, that the list lacked sex.    I also
brought up the idea of looping naked, for a rehearsal or at one of my gigs,
so we'll see what happens.  lol!  Perhaps at the San Jose gig!  lol!
Whadaya think, rick?!!!   lollollol!  
  We also talked about a naked loopers page!   lollololol! 

  Regarding music or looping and sex, I like Brian Eno, The Pearl alot,
when I intentionally listen to music.  There are other very good albums not
related to looping as such as well.    some of the most fun I've
had, was to some rather obscure disco of all things!  lol!  I tend to make
alot of my own sounds though, so perhaps I'll loop them!   
  As far as music relating to sex, I agree.  There's an important and
definite exchange of energy in both.   -and in everything we do wonderfully.  
  A friend was recently playing me an Indian piece of music which I really
enjoyed.   So much so, that I had to say, "you may think this is odd, but
this piece is getting me hot":   -to which he replied that it's subject
matter dealt with erotic love, and I was definitely picking up on it.  It
was wonderful!, and a very beautiful piece of music...  
  Regarding humor, I tend to be very verbal during sex, and also enjoy
laughing when the spirit moves.   It's wonderful to communicate in all
those ways at once with someone who's comfortable.  
  *laughing*  As for the cartoon music, if I can get wild in the center of
a room full of people watching me, I bet I can  enjoy that music as well.
  David, if you buy me a copy, I'll try, K?   lollollol!  
-not saying I'd choose it on purpose, lol!   but the stereotypical
juxtaposition might really be something!!!  lol!   
 
  -Hope you all have a wonderful evening...   Catch ya laters...   

Smiles,

CQ




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John Price:

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The beauty of the sex club route in general wasthat it was a way to play =
music which we enjoyed without having restrictions or limitations.  Sex =
Clubs were and still are a niche which at 1st helped us brand ourselves =
and also get paid decent wages with an audience that was tanghible, =
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Of course, without musicians being hired to play at brothels, we might =
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Yes it does you can control everything with it!







> Hi, all:
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> 
> I was just going to pop for one as there were some
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> Regards, Paul
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Mark...
I know it is a tad bigger and a tad more expensive,
but the Roland BR532 4 track will give you field
recording, has an XLR mic input, and lets you
overdub 4 tracks along with 24 virtual tracks.
And there are no moving parts so it is great
for silent recording without the whir of a hard drive.
And...  there is software for the Mac and PC to
transfer files to and from the smart media it records to.
It all depends on how stealthy you need to be.
--
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Mark Sottilaro wrote:

> Hey kids,
>
> After seeing Matt D's amazing found object set, my wife started talking
> about using field recordings in her music.  I figure a MD
> player/recorder would be the way to go, but which one?  What's the best
> model currently made?  Do they all have mic inputs?  CNET didn't seem
> to mention this feature on any of them.  A recommendation for a decent
> stereo mic would be useful too.
>
> thanks,
>
> Mark Sottilaro





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Michael...I hope you didn't experience the same effect as she did....
as according the the AAA Good Driver's Handbook, coming and going don't mix.
Max

>
>wow.....what did i just listen to wed. while scootin around, the mighty MAX
>VALENTINO "A CARAVAN OF DREAMS" cd.....its a small world
>afterall!.....michael




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Gratzie

Mark Sottilaro

On Saturday, September 21, 2002, at 07:51  PM, das wrote:

> i'll show you sunday
>
> Mark Sottilaro wrote:
>
>> Hey kids,
>>
>> After seeing Matt D's amazing found object set, my wife started 
>> talking
>> about using field recordings in her music.  I figure a MD
>> player/recorder would be the way to go, but which one?  What's the 
>> best
>> model currently made?  Do they all have mic inputs?  CNET didn't seem
>> to mention this feature on any of them.  A recommendation for a decent
>> stereo mic would be useful too.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Mark Sottilaro
>

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Ah, that is good advise, as I'm mainly a Mac user.  We do have a Wintel 
laptop with a USB jack that could help with this.

Mark Sottilaro

On Saturday, September 21, 2002, at 07:52  PM, Doug Lawrence wrote:

> I'm currently using a Sony MZ-N1 with a MS-stereo electret condenser 
> mic,
> Sony ECM-MS907.  It provides 12 hours recording with internal Ni-MH 
> battery,
> or 30 hours with additional AA battery attached.

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>In a message dated 9/21/02 2:10:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
>matthias@grob.org writes:
>
>>Boomerrang never updated either, by the way...
>>
>
>
>matthias.....in what way did boomerang not upgrade?.....michael

we were talking about HW and as far as I know the Rang is still the 
same as when it came out, no? With todays HW, here is no reason to 
build things with limited frequency range...
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I couldn't find that model anywhere, but I am starting to think that 
some of these "Palm 4 Tracks" like Korg's or Zoom's might be better.  
Zoom makes a 3 track device that's not much bigger or costly than a MD 
and everything is nicely put on a solid state compact media card.  
Sure, recording time is more limited, but that's not terribly important 
to what she wants to do.

Anyone had any experience with the Zoom PS-2?

Mark Sottilaro

On Sunday, September 22, 2002, at 08:33  AM, Gary Phillips wrote:

> Mark...
> I know it is a tad bigger and a tad more expensive,
> but the Roland BR532 4 track will give you field
> recording,

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> I couldn't find that model anywhere, 

> > Mark...
> > I know it is a tad bigger and a tad more expensive,
> > but the Roland BR532 4 track will give you field
> > recording,

http://www.rolandus.com/products/details.asp?catid=12&subcatid=48&prodid=BR%2D532

I was checking to see if it had 4 track simultaneous recording
for quad purposes - but alas, no.

Cheers,
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Maybe it's the performer in me, but I've always found most non ambient 
music, especially music with lyrics, to be very distracting during sex. 
  I want to be making the soundtrack, I guess.

Mark Sottilaro

On Saturday, September 21, 2002, at 03:12  PM, Duke Sexton wrote:

> Wow, great topic!
>
> Anyone who's into "scening", role-play, or BDSM, can tell you that 
> choice of music can become an absolutely integral part of the overall 
> mood.  For some reason, our usual default has been having some or 
> other CD by Dead Can Dance playing in the background.  Dunno if that's 
> been because it's generally handy, or because they're pretty good at 
> setting a dark, gothic mood behind our activities.
>
> For straight sex, we usually end up using something about 110-120bpm 
> with a beat.  Old eighties dance-cheeze is cool (Depeche Mode, 
> Blancmange, etc.), or non-distracting Techno can do as well.  Or if 
> we're in a more laid-back mood, Trip-Hop can get things moving, 
> although I'm not too crazy about using Portishead in particular -- 
> preferring instead Massive Attack, or the first Sneaker Pimps album.
>
> Hrm, I'm listening to Skinny Puppy's "Last Rights" in the background 
> as I'm typing this.  Now you guys have got me wondering what kind of 
> sick & twisted scene I could put together with that... <*evil grin*>
>
>         -c-
>
>
> At 09:17 PM 9/21/2002 +0200, Luigi Meloni wrote:
>> LOL. Never thought about this. One of the cds I've played more with an
>> ex-girlfriend has been the Hair soundtrack. Maybe the funky rhythm...
>> dunno...:-)
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Matthias Grob" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 8:13 PM
>> Subject: adult only loops
>>
>>
>> > Its full moon, my friends... did you live the animalistic 
>> procreation
>> ritual?
>> >
>> > this is not OT, sex is the primal form of improvisation!
>> >
>> > How do you do it:
>> > - without music?
>> > - with any kind of music? please...
>> > - ambient music? dance music?
>> > - latest recordings of yours?
>> > - you create a specific collection of appropriate pieces?
>> > - you create the loop and let it run
>> > - you keep coming back to the instruments to change the loop a 
>> little
>> > - you play while she seduces you and then repeat...
>> > - you play all the time. (wow!)
>> > - you just sing or whisper ;-)
>> >
>> > Any kind of music can be quite distracting. Specific music can be
>> > stimulating, syncronizing, conducting...
>> > For me, it must have a lot of dynamic. And I always confirm we end 
>> up
>> > following it, even without listening to the music at all.
>> > So it is interesting to create the music in the mood! ;-)
>> >
>> > I met erotic films with quite good sound tracks, probably because 
>> the
>> > producer does not care, so the musician just improvises as he likes.
>> > Especially interesting with a DVD because the camera mic is the
>> > center channel, so you can unplug that and just get a 4 ch mix of 
>> the
>> > music...
>> > --
>> >
>> >
>> >           ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
>> >
>

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Ah, yet another amazing feature lost in the death of the Repeater.  
Great MIDI controlled pitch shifting in that box for sure.

Mark Sottilaro

>
> Is there a chance to change the pitch of a loop with the EDP?
> Do i need another tool to achieve this?
> Carsten
>

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Ah, I see.  Too big.  I know it's not that big, but IMO, sometimes the  
difference between using something like this and not using it, is  
whether or not it fits in your pocket.  I *love* my old Nikon 35mm, but  
it most often stays home while my little Olympus digital model gets  
nicely shoved into my cargo pants pocket.  Stealth is key.

Mark Sottilaro

On Sunday, September 22, 2002, at 10:17  AM, Scott McGregor Moore wrote:

>> I couldn't find that model anywhere,
>
>>> Mark...
>>> I know it is a tad bigger and a tad more expensive,
>>> but the Roland BR532 4 track will give you field
>>> recording,
>
> http://www.rolandus.com/products/ 
> details.asp?catid=12&subcatid=48&prodid=BR%2D532
>
> I was checking to see if it had 4 track simultaneous recording
> for quad purposes - but alas, no.

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In a message dated 9/22/2002 1:19:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
pycraft@hotmail.com writes:


> Of course, without musicians being hired to play at brothels, we might never 
> have had jazz evolve...
>  

Ya know the past is always prologue to the future.

It is the same thing all over again today and moreover these days, sex clubs 
and BDSM clubs are perhaps a newer breeding grounds/places for art.

IMHO it is where upper to middle income-people who already have considerable 
disposable income are present in abundance and likewise where we saw a chance 
to get outta bein in a herd of very crowded resources for talent in the 
mainstream bar/club scene.

Musicians these days are always reduced to playing and competing for free 
especially if the music you play is outside the conventional style of 
performance or sound which is more and more herdlike 

But AKASH delightfully claims not to be in pursuit of anything new.

& it is not entirely a cakewalk as it may sound here going this sex club 
route.

The challenge with the sex clubs & especially BDSM clubs, is that they tend 
to ALL be very cliquey and ALL about fashions/ poltics etc ( we came ready 
loaded with some Luminary names in the National BDSM Community and our 1st 
singer was Kali Morgan, a well connected Sex Shoppe owner/ Pro Domme here in 
Philly who with her name and presence alone set us up for easy-quick 
acceptance into that BDSM Alt Lifestyles Clique/Community from a National - 
USA/ UK perspective ).

The other challenge in the Sex CLub route is that AKASH has many people 
coming and going all the time and keeping old and new material fresh and 
compelling for the audiences and performers but essentially keeping a certain 
level of familiarity - we are also a lot like Rocky HOrror in that regard.

& everyone with AKASH is involved in multiple side projects ( plus all people 
in AKASH are brilliant with some pretty impressive credentials thoug  all of 
em' with different styles/backgrounds - its amazing it all works internally ) 
so even scheduling gigs is always an acrobatic act as well as maintaining 
consistency in the performances and matriculating people into the 
characters/roles which are already established and maintaining a space where 
everyone can feel they are a part of the whole package and are appreciated 
for the work they bring to AKASH.

But The Sex Clubs usually charge a premium for entry and have no problems 
sharing a significant chunk of change for work rendered and appreciate music 
that is different, Live and dynamic but with a visual element to engage the 
audience and encourage the audiences participation as an added value feature 
that other venues dont or have not offerd - AKASH meets that criteria.

& we are also a walking billboard for sex toy vendors BDSM skin fliks and 
other misc sex products and sex industry tie ins.

However, as a consequence, AKASH is usually ( when perceived ), we are seen 
more or less seen as a sorta Experimental ( But acceptable "experimental"  to 
the masses ) and way more Bizarre Lords of Acid.

or we are just simply seen as Joke-Gag/Porn Band with T&A to 
gawk at - which is just part of the territory for us - and also very true 
to a large extent, but not necessarily the whole picture from start to finish 
( we are more of a live action cartoon-anime which rips off vaudeville/burns &
 allen/Lucille Ball with kinky inverted black humor twists)

& we certainly are not in the business of correcting peoples perceptions - 
rather we amplify them. 

But the Sex Club route is the most fun I can say I have ever had playing 
music.

& as I think about it, we are essentially more or less playing jazz or 
perhaps variations on jazz ...

but I've never been to a Brothel...gotta get a gig in Vegas :)

Warmest Regards,
John Price/ "AKASH"
"The World's Most Erotic Band"
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic
"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"



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In a message dated 9/22/2002 1:19:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time, pycraft@hotmail.com writes:






Of course, without musicians being hired to play at brothels, we might never have had jazz evolve...

 




Ya know the past is always prologue to the future.



It is the same thing all over again today and moreover these days, sex clubs and BDSM clubs are perhaps a newer breeding grounds/places for art.



IMHO it is where upper to middle income-people who already have considerable disposable income are present in abundance and likewise where we saw a chance to get outta bein in a herd of very crowded resources for talent in the mainstream bar/club scene.



Musicians these days are always reduced to playing and competing for free especially if the music you play is outside the conventional style of performance or sound which is more and more herdlike 



But AKASH delightfully claims not to be in pursuit of anything new.



& it is not entirely a cakewalk as it may sound here going this sex club route.



The challenge with the sex clubs & especially BDSM clubs, is that they tend to ALL be very cliquey and ALL about fashions/ poltics etc ( we came ready loaded with some Luminary names in the National BDSM Community and our 1st singer was Kali Morgan, a well connected Sex Shoppe owner/ Pro Domme here in Philly who with her name and presence alone set us up for easy-quick acceptance into that BDSM Alt Lifestyles Clique/Community from a National - USA/ UK perspective ).



The other challenge in the Sex CLub route is that AKASH has many people coming and going all the time and keeping old and new material fresh and compelling for the audiences and performers but essentially keeping a certain level of familiarity - we are also a lot like Rocky HOrror in that regard.



& everyone with AKASH is involved in multiple side projects ( plus all people in AKASH are brilliant with some pretty impressive credentials thoug  all of em' with different styles/backgrounds - its amazing it all works internally ) so even scheduling gigs is always an acrobatic act as well as maintaining consistency in the performances and matriculating people into the characters/roles which are already established and maintaining a space where everyone can feel they are a part of the whole package and are appreciated for the work they bring to AKASH.



But The Sex Clubs usually charge a premium for entry and have no problems sharing a significant chunk of change for work rendered and appreciate music that is different, Live and dynamic but with a visual element to engage the audience and encourage the audiences participation as an added value feature that other venues dont or have not offerd - AKASH meets that criteria.



& we are also a walking billboard for sex toy vendors BDSM skin fliks and other misc sex products and sex industry tie ins.



However, as a consequence, AKASH is usually ( when perceived ), we are seen more or less seen as a sorta Experimental ( But acceptable "experimental"  to the masses ) and way more Bizarre Lords of Acid.



or we are just simply seen as Joke-Gag/Porn Band with T&A to 

gawk at - which is just part of the territory for us - and also very true 

to a large extent, but not necessarily the whole picture from start to finish ( we are more of a live action cartoon-anime which rips off vaudeville/burns & allen/Lucille Ball with kinky inverted black humor twists)



& we certainly are not in the business of correcting peoples perceptions - rather we amplify them. 



But the Sex Club route is the most fun I can say I have ever had playing music.



& as I think about it, we are essentially more or less playing jazz or perhaps variations on jazz ...



but I've never been to a Brothel...gotta get a gig in Vegas :)



Warmest Regards,

John Price/ "AKASH"

"The World's Most Erotic Band"

http://www.akashmusic.com

http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic

"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"






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Hi  -=20

Just a quick note. I've been invited to sit-in --

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Monday 23 September.


 


Come if you can.


 


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It isn't?!  I can't remember his name, but I got an email from someone 
at Gibson who was complaining about the problem with getting those 
simms.  It stuck in my mind because I thought a lot about a time in the 
future when hardware becomes obsolete even though it provides a valid 
use and runs good software.

Mark Sottilaro

On Saturday, September 21, 2002, at 11:11  AM, Matthias Grob wrote:

>
>> This brings up a question I've been thinking about, sparked by 
>> someone at
>> Gibson telling me that getting 30 pin simms is hard.
>
> no, its not!

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divine Cara said:
>  >>I've not played for one, but have thought for some time of
>>>incorporating it into my own live performance, in the form of interpretive
>>>dance and such, but being teathered to guitar, mic, controllers and such is
>>>not real conducive to it.   ICK!!!  lol!
>>
>>I dont understand ICK...
>
>   I just meant some expression like Yuck, or  something similar.   I
>sometimes say "Ick!..."

oh, I see, I expected another short like lol... :-)

>  >Right, you can put the guitar down and dance to your loop! Especially
>>interesting if you dont play alone, so another musician can play with
>>your dancing...
>
>   I tend to play solo when looping live, save recently.  -and since that's
>the case, I'm always adding music to a loop almost constantly

I feel that necessity, too, but if you imagine the public 
concentrated on your dancing, maybe they would not mind, the dance 
would be like the solo over the boring loop :-)

>  >It seems to me that contact improv is rather a set of roules and
>  >exercises to make people aware than a style to be shown on stage.
>
>   I'm thinking more of the idea of improv itself in the form of a more
>physical expression in movement along with the music.  - Basing it on what I
>might do in contact...

right, that what I meant!

>  >Someone who went through such school can just improvise free, no?
>
>   Yes, I do anyway to an extent, but not nearly as much as I'd like to, for
>my previous reasons.

dont you play a Steinberger? Wireless?

>  >>   In your case, have you thought possibly of giving the dancers noise-maky
>>>thingies and sampling them as they move?   It might be nice to loop what
>>>comes out of that.  I like moving in rhythm with noisy bracelets or bells
>>>or such.   It's a lot of fun, and can be quite musical.
>>
>>good idea!
>>they do participate with stepping, clapping, even singing sometimes,
>>but I did not think of looping that. But: how would you do it without
>>creating feed back? 
>
>   Simple, eliminate the dry signal, and then simply keep the delayed or
>looped signal.   -or, use two shotgun mics or very directional mics, and
>place the speakers right behind them.  I'd prefer eliminating the direct
>signal though.

ah, right, I could monitor with headphones... but I still would be 
resampling my own ongoing loop that comes from the speakers... maybe 
the shotgun would improve that... so I will have to try with both of 
your hints...

Thank you!
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Re: dancing (adult) loops

In a message
dated 9/21/02 4:23:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, srice44@yahoo.com
writes:



Apparently
there is some correlation between people who loop

and improvisational dancers










the music i truely like is that to which i can tap my toes.....i have
never danced in my life and im ready to take danz lessons at this
point in time.....





no need for dance lessons. I learned it when I got to Brasil.
Just let that same energy that makes your toes tap take over the whole
body. Every bone may resonate to a different subdivision of the
rhythm... it may look strange, but you will feel great!





good good
stuff.....it coincides with my thoughts on "looping
naked".....matthias, you're right!.....its da
moon!!!.....michael





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>What an interesting thread!  I recently rec'd an e-mail from someone 
>who had a copy of my CD, "A Caravan Of Dreams".  Seems he found it 
>quite appropriate music for intimate evenings with his girlfriend. 
>She apparently enjoyed it quite a bit, too!  So much, in fact, that 
>she borrowed it from him, only to return it a few days later stating 
>that she could not listen to anymore without having a type of 
>Pavlovian response!  Seems she was playing it in the car during the 
>morning commute an the ensuing "Pavlovian orgasm" almost caused her 
>to have an accident!
>
>...somhow I need to quote this as a "review" of my CD (can't really 
>think of a much better review :)

beautifull story.
An ex partner (so I dont se why she would be lying...:-) once told me 
that she had an orgasm just by concentration on sundown...
In '82, when I had an improvizing rockband, no loops but intese solos 
with lot of echo kind of delay... we had a powerfull little blond 
singer that sounded like Tina Turner (well, almost ;-). I was in love 
with her for year, but she used to say: "lets keep it in the music". 
I did not quite understand... especially as she was fighting all the 
time with her jelous partner. So once we did a show just before the 
band where her partner was the singer, so he probably was arround and 
angry because she prefered to sing in my band than doing the 
background in his band (more similarities with the Turners!). At one 
point we built a solo together (as we liked to do) and went higher 
and higher in pitch (she goes why higher than Tina! :-) and when we 
finally reached the end of the necks, the whole sound broke together 
somehow and the public burst into screams... long later she told me 
she once the exact feeling of an orgasm during a show of ours, and I 
immediately remembered when it was... I have it on tape!
...so all is possible, but you may have to talk to her and verify her 
strategy toards your client... :-)
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>Hey kids,
>
>After seeing Matt D's amazing found object set, my wife started 
>talking about using field recordings in her music.  I figure a MD 
>player/recorder would be the way to go, but which one?  What's the 
>best model currently made?  Do they all have mic inputs?  CNET 
>didn't seem to mention this feature on any of them.  A 
>recommendation for a decent stereo mic would be useful too.
>
>thanks,
>
>Mark Sottilaro

how about a Nomad Jukebox? you can record to PCM and transfer 
directly to PC and you get a mp3 player and dont need any new media...
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>On a related tangent to another post I caught earlier, I actually 
>believe humor is an integral part of sex and also key to selling sex 
>here in America.

interesting point... doesnt the energy of laughter somehow cut any 
tense situation, just as a spark discharges a tension?
So it can be helpfull to overcome some inhibition, but it can also 
cut a growing envolvement?

>and IMHO in terms of guys ability to win chicks over - a sense of 
>humor usually works very well with good listening skills and 
>sometimes supplants looks and money..

>& why not get freaky with Looney Tunes playing as laughter 
>definitely lightens inhibitions more than drugs or alcohol IMHO and 
>allows people to be more honest than ever about their own desires, 
>curiousities if used skillfully and with sincerity.

ok...



>seeing Loralai of AKASH who was supposed ot be playing guitar that 
>nite, but instead... licking...

couldnt she have continued to play?

>and all of this while the music is building to a fever pitch... the 
>eye contact is intense ...and we are all pushing our energy higher & 
>together...
>
>and what we feel and see going into each other is what we are all 
>doing toward raising the intensity up a notch from where we receive 
>it...

a nice way to say: spiral?

>and the energy is being fed now completely at this point by the 
>music and with each other thru every glance... every repetition of 
>the loop and  specific notes which are highlighting and accentuating 
>the points where we all can get inside the groove way deep in the 
>"hole"...

so the movents are synced to the loop, right? Did you set it up 
seeing them or did you imagine them and thus provoke them?

>I then start to do a John Mclaughlin-esque bend slowly @ 1st...
>&
>then more hurriedly ...
>
>bending the high E string to where I think it will break ( but it 
>doesn't ) ...
>
>I ascend chromatically up & up and Up and UppppppppppppppppppŠ

yes, its incredible... this bending is so simple and can make you 
sweat such a lot... its clearly the musical archetype of exitement...
would the pitch knob on a synth do the same thin or does it take the 
force of the hand on the guitar neck and the risk that the string 
does not support...?

>and well ...
>
>LOL I am certain y'all get the picture by now.

hm... nearly... you did not say how the accumulated energy finally discharged!
Did you induce everybodys orgasm simultaneously through the music? How?

Its actually interesting to provoke the discharge before nature does 
it with the ejaculation because :
- its easier to go on later
- you save a lot of a mess with sperms and decendents and deseases
- the effect is almost as strong and sometimes more interesting, like "purer"
- after doing it for some hours, the desire goes smoothly away.

>But Sex play is no different than playing music...same dymanimcs of 
>group interplay come into play and IMHO the 1st ever energy anywhere 
>was that sexual energy.

oh, thats a heavy simplification!
maybe its the first one that humans (or animals) became aware of.

>BDSM shows are also a lot of fun too ( and the majority of the shows 
>we play as AKASH are in BDSM clubs or BDSM themed ) and all about 
>psychology and ambience and less animated in most cases ( usually 
>solo guitar or situations where we have installed music in place and 
>also have Loralai, Iris senseles, RC Horsch or The Rev Johnny Hell 
>present to provide Fire, Torture, Ropeplay, Piercing, Candlewax etc 
>).

yeah, but thats just a show, right?
what means BDSM?

>But the main idea for BDSM shows is not to be as obviously there and 
>present as much as we are there to open up imaginations and add to 
>the intense psychological exchanges of power and not get in the 
>middle of activities like we do with Swingers Clubs.

are you saying: make people feel at ease so they end up doing it later?
do they buy your CDs then?
Did you design a CD to have the right sequence of moods for this?

>& theres just sooooooooooo many AKASH stories ( the shows are not 
>the wildest affairs - its the after parties ) which are not just 
>from my perspective alone as you name it or if u can imagine it, it 
>is there in the evolving AKASH story
>
>But looping and sex are the most natural combinations IMHO as that 
>repetition and variations on that in the moment thru improvising and 
>embellishing & being in a state of mind open to all possibilities, 
>based upon listening and hearing others and then playing music that 
>plays you...sex and music are indistinguishable.
>
Nice!
How  about you personally? Do you use your recordings for love? Could 
you recommend one specially?
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Steve Rice said:
>Since it seems I'm in such good company, I'll chime in that I
>also dance Contact Improv.  Haven't played for a class yet,
>but I keep it in mind as I work on my music chops.

oh, just try it, you will love it!

>One thing which I think will be possible with looping is to
>get up for a minute and dance will the looper plays away...
>Including the dancers in the music, putting the musician(s)
>into
>the dance, these things should be very possible with the
>technology (nothing new of course).  This is part of my search
>for midi twiddlers.

I dont quite understand this part... do you suggest that the music is 
built automatically by sensors controlled by the dancers?
Somehow I doubt this will turn out nice, and I dont see the necessity 
since there are some many loopers that want to play...

>Apparently there is some correlation between people who loop
>and improvisational dancers.  Both are very free-form, with
>some structure to follow, and break when needed.

right, a joint art form...
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>I've been invited to sit-in -- >w/ Skysaw

Curious: "Skysaw" after the Brian Eno track of the same name, that starts
off the album "Another Green World"?



"All the clouds turn to words ... All the words float in sequence ... No
one knows what they mean ... Everyone just ignores them"



I love that track!



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At 10:32 AM 9/22/2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote:
>It isn't?!  I can't remember his name, but I got an email from someone at 
>Gibson who was complaining about the problem with getting those simms.

No, it really isn't a big problem. Gibson has to find a vendor that has a 
large stock of them so supply a whole production and is willing to sell 
them at the low price they want to pay. There are many to choose from, the 
problem is more in getting the price low enough. But they are available. 
And when you look at the prices, using any other type of "new" memory would 
actually result in a much higher list price for the EDP.

>  It stuck in my mind because I thought a lot about a time in the future 
> when hardware becomes obsolete even though it provides a valid use and 
> runs good software.

It is a very real problem for music products to manage component 
obsolescence. The cost to develop a product like this is the same whether 
you are going to sell 100 or 1 million. But with niche music products, the 
volumes will be really low compared to practically any other type of 
product. This isn't like networking appliances, where the volumes are 
relatively low but the exact same type of hardware could be sold for 
$5-10k. So the price is pretty low too. The only way to make back the 
investment in the development is for the product to last in the market for 
a long time. Many years in fact. It simply is not economically viable to 
put out new hardware versions of niche music gear every year like with 
consumer PC products. So you really have to be careful about the components 
used, and cross your fingers a bit. It is a serious disaster if a part is 
used that is too closely tied otherwise to the PC industry. They will stop 
using it within a year, and the manufacturer will likely stop making it. 
Then you are screwed. Just the cost to do a minor change in the hardware to 
replace such a part can wipe out the profits of the whole product.

kim


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 Starting to post to Mp3..regularly use my loopers for "straightforward"
music..

Don't worry..there's nothing for sale..

www.mp3.com/Jehn_Cerron

Just had to jump back in... hello again..

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>
> At 10:32 AM 9/22/2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote:
> >It isn't?!  I can't remember his name, but I got an email from someone at
> >Gibson who was complaining about the problem with getting those simms.
>
> No, it really isn't a big problem. Gibson has to find a vendor that has a
> large stock of them so supply a whole production and is willing to sell
> them at the low price they want to pay. There are many to choose from, the
> problem is more in getting the price low enough. But they are available.
> And when you look at the prices, using any other type of "new" memory
would
> actually result in a much higher list price for the EDP.
>
> >  It stuck in my mind because I thought a lot about a time in the future
> > when hardware becomes obsolete even though it provides a valid use and
> > runs good software.
>
> It is a very real problem for music products to manage component
> obsolescence. The cost to develop a product like this is the same whether
> you are going to sell 100 or 1 million. But with niche music products, the
> volumes will be really low compared to practically any other type of
> product. This isn't like networking appliances, where the volumes are
> relatively low but the exact same type of hardware could be sold for
> $5-10k. So the price is pretty low too. The only way to make back the
> investment in the development is for the product to last in the market for
> a long time. Many years in fact. It simply is not economically viable to
> put out new hardware versions of niche music gear every year like with
> consumer PC products. So you really have to be careful about the
components
> used, and cross your fingers a bit. It is a serious disaster if a part is
> used that is too closely tied otherwise to the PC industry. They will stop
> using it within a year, and the manufacturer will likely stop making it.
> Then you are screwed. Just the cost to do a minor change in the hardware
to
> replace such a part can wipe out the profits of the whole product.
>
> kim
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
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>
>

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Hey gang- 

 

Just got the FCB1010 and after assigning ExpA to Feedback control it
only works over a very short range of the pedal- I tried reversing the
Min and Max values to no avail- any ideas? Also- has anyone created a
sysex dump of their FCB1010 to control EDP and/or Repeater they could
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At 11:31 AM 9/18/2002, Carsten Wegener wrote:
>I have multiple loops each with multiple cycles running and I want to change
>between them, but when the EDP switches to the next loop, the loop doesn´t
>start from the cycle, i want him to (normally cycle nr.1).  What did i do
>wrong?

nothing wrong, the default setting is for it to return to loops at the 
exact point where you last left it. So if you switch out of a loop 
somewhere in the middle, when you come back to it you will begin at that 
same point in the middle. The reason for this is an assumption that if you 
are switching out of the loop at that point, it must be the point you 
perceive to be the end, whether or not it is where the actual startpoint 
is. So the EDP respects that and returns you there. This is in keeping with 
the whole philosophy underlying unquantized operation.

If you really want it to start on the actual StartPoint, you have a few 
options.

One way is to set the SwitchQuant option on to "Loop" ("LOP" on the 
display). This way, when you press NextLoop, the EDP will wait until the 
end of the current loop before switching. And therefore, it will return to 
that loop at the StartPoint. This quantizing function is also useful since 
you can select which loop you want to go to during the waiting time by 
continuing to press Next before it switches.

Another way is to use the SamplerStyle parameter. This determines how 
multiple loops are triggered. The default setting is "run" which is this 
effect of always returning to the loop where you left it and then 
continuing from there. If you set it to Start ("StA" on the display), it 
will always start a loop at the StartPoint no matter where you left and 
continue playing it from there.

kim


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Really the OT means ON topic :-)

You *must* see this movie when it comes to your town. Just saw it this
afternoon, and it is mind boggling, and real, and connects with our
zeitgeist as loopers in a deep way. This is a phenomena I hadn't tuned into
before, but the stuff shown in this film sure grabbed my attention...and
heart.

www.cropcirclesthemovie.com

Onward...



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I hope this post isnt in HTML as others have been.


>On a related tangent to another post I caught earlier, I actually 
>believe humor is an integral part of sex and also key to selling sex 
>here in America.

interesting point... doesnt the energy of laughter somehow cut any 
tense situation, just as a spark discharges a tension?
So it can be helpfull to overcome some inhibition, but it can also 
cut a growing envolvement?


Laughter is wonderful and its invocation and power should IMHO be used in the appropriate situations & always w/ sincerity or to make a good point.

but laughter's true effectiveness is in how u choose to use it as that choice/judgement matters most in its application



>and IMHO in terms of guys ability to win chicks over - a sense of 
>humor usually works very well with good listening skills and 
>sometimes supplants looks and money..

>& why not get freaky with Looney Tunes playing as laughter 
>definitely lightens inhibitions more than drugs or alcohol IMHO and 
>allows people to be more honest than ever about their own desires, 
>curiousities if used skillfully and with sincerity.

ok...



>seeing Loralai of AKASH who was supposed ot be playing guitar that 
>nite, but instead... licking...

couldnt she have continued to play?



LOL - There really was no way possible with what I saw her/Loralai doing that she was gonna be able to concentrate on playing the guitar and remain composed as she was using both hands to spread her posterior and that other woman I mentioned had Loralai's most delicate parts firmly in her rubberhanded grasp.


>and all of this while the music is building to a fever pitch... the 
>eye contact is intense ...and we are all pushing our energy higher & 
>together...
>
>and what we feel and see going into each other is what we are all 
>doing toward raising the intensity up a notch from where we receive 
>it...

a nice way to say: spiral?



BIG Nod :)


>and the energy is being fed now completely at this point by the 
>music and with each other thru every glance... every repetition of 
>the loop and  specific notes which are highlighting and accentuating 
>the points where we all can get inside the groove way deep in the 
>"hole"...

so the movents are synced to the loop, right? Did you set it up 
seeing them or did you imagine them and thus provoke them?


These moments were Imagined & synched freely on their own.

And the moment kinda spoke for the music and the sex play as it all informed everyone else more so than any intended sync i tried to impose or consciously match up. It all came about on its own and just appeared &/or was always meant to be the way it played out



>I then start to do a John Mclaughlin-esque bend slowly @ 1st...
>&
>then more hurriedly ...
>
>bending the high E string to where I think it will break ( but it 
>doesn't ) ...
>
>I ascend chromatically up & up and Up and UppppppppppppppppppÅ 

yes, its incredible... this bending is so simple and can make you 
sweat such a lot... its clearly the musical archetype of exitement...
would the pitch knob on a synth do the same thin or does it take the 
force of the hand on the guitar neck and the risk that the string 
does not support...? 


Its a guitar thang IMHO and cant be done on exclusively on a synth as the expressiveness IMHO isnt there... though I did have the pat metheney sounding guitar synth pad on a gr-30 running underneath the bends...

there was also a point where the synth misfires and the dissonace and atonality were kinda cool in this situation.

but the emotional aspects and expressiveness was more or less from my fingers and the guitars direct overdriven output and the synth was more of an effect.



>and well ...
>
>LOL I am certain y'all get the picture by now.

hm... nearly... you did not say how the accumulated energy finally discharged!
Did you induce everybodys orgasm simultaneously through the music? How?




I cant say I ever induced orgasm here but everyone "came" in the end ( i did emotionally - thats osunds cheesey - i know bu thtis is all true ) and we are all very close friends now as the realtionship didnt just end with the performance.

But I really think what was special about this particular moment was the level of communication intuition, impovisation and comfort which was quickly established allowing all of us to reach intimacy ( in my case ) without even having physical intercourse or "sexual relations"

& I had never been part of anything like that b4. 


Its actually interesting to provoke the discharge before nature does 
it with the ejaculation because :
- its easier to go on later
- you save a lot of a mess with sperms and decendents and deseases
- the effect is almost as strong and sometimes more interesting, like "purer"
- after doing it for some hours, the desire goes smoothly away


Are you referring to Tantra here? Im not certain. But i wasnt thinking in that direction 

AKASH is a catalyst only to a certain point where we dont make judgements or decisions for an audience but rather we only bring out what is already there inside of them by not really adding anything but by amplifying their own energy.

AKASH as a hired act for sex clubs is meant to entice, encourage and tease ( that is also a contradiction of sorts when i say we only go to a certain point when considering what it is we in AKASH are already doing just by our image alone. but it is just a certian space which I imagine that I dont wish to inhabit for the music as I prefer to let the audience/ patrons of these places have that space for their own intentions regardless as to our own desires.

& ultimately, that space we dont touch is really there IMHO for us to keep track of where we are with the performance and audience as it can be read quite easilly IMHO after u enage performacnes such as what we do over time where there is a certain pattern that emerges that can tell u real fast how well u are doing ).


>But Sex play is no different than playing music...same dymanimcs of 
>group interplay come into play and IMHO the 1st ever energy anywhere 
>was that sexual energy.

oh, thats a heavy simplification!
maybe its the first one that humans (or animals) became aware of.


definitely u nailed it!



>BDSM shows are also a lot of fun too ( and the majority of the shows 
>we play as AKASH are in BDSM clubs or BDSM themed ) and all about 
>psychology and ambience and less animated in most cases ( usually 
>solo guitar or situations where we have installed music in place and 
>also have Loralai, Iris senseles, RC Horsch or The Rev Johnny Hell 
>present to provide Fire, Torture, Ropeplay, Piercing, Candlewax etc 
>).

yeah, but thats just a show, right?
what means BDSM?



BDSM = Bondage Discipline & Sado Masochism.

& for the most part AKASH is more or less a show of make believe and is a mirror.

but with AKASH we never tell anybody which AKASH to like or respond to as there are many layers to AKASH just as there are in a loop which is interesting.

both on the surface and way deeper in the mix and subliminally too:there are stories within a good loop that are infinite.


that is the beauty of loping fo me..direct placement and views into infinite joy and infinite incarnations all at your fingertips with an immediacy not foud anywhere else in other mediums as ot is like anyy significant journey ot looks inward to see its joy, love and power. 

& really it may surprise many out there that my own sexual tastes are nowhere near as adventurous as what AKASH engages or what an AKASH audience will be into, ya know?.


>But the main idea for BDSM shows is not to be as obviously there and 
>present as much as we are there to open up imaginations and add to 
>the intense psychological exchanges of power and not get in the 
>middle of activities like we do with Swingers Clubs.

are you saying: make people feel at ease so they end up doing it later?
do they buy your CDs then?
Did you design a CD to have the right sequence of moods for this?


There is no doing "it" later at an AKASH show cuz chances are u are doing it while we are there and ideally u are buying our CD's tee shirts and misc merchandise afterward. 

But our hired presence at these sex clubs is meant to break the ice and to encourage people to be naked, to be open, to be free and to clear inhibitions and whatever stresses or distractions folks may have from outside influences...kinda like a wacky form of feng shui (spelling?).

We also do sound installations with sounds/noises and music but no Viisual representation which is designed for specific BDSM themed rooms ( specific BDSM acts...Humiliation, Pain Submission, Ropeplay, Leather, etc ) meant to encourage play - again BDSM spanking, pain, peircing, Whips, Chains, Flogging, Electric Tens, Ropeplay etc ( & likewise we have sound installations for Chill out rooms or less intense sex play rooms for people lookinmg to rest or break the ice with each other in Swingers Clubs).

The AKASH CD's are meant to be stories and documents of crafted performanmces which are adapted into a larger story which has to be told and have a lyrical flow, collective reason and a story behind it that has a level of intimcay and infinity dripped thruout the entire production.

Songs which are Albumless and or were used as one off sound installations are uploaded to mp3.com.

All AKASH music is available for free @ no charge on mp3.com.


>& theres just sooooooooooo many AKASH stories ( the shows are not 
>the wildest affairs - its the after parties ) which are not just 
>from my perspective alone as you name it or if u can imagine it, it 
>is there in the evolving AKASH story
>
>But looping and sex are the most natural combinations IMHO as that 
>repetition and variations on that in the moment thru improvising and 
>embellishing & being in a state of mind open to all possibilities, 
>based upon listening and hearing others and then playing music that 
>plays you...sex and music are indistinguishable.
>
Nice!
How  about you personally? Do you use your recordings for love? Could 
you recommend one specially?
-- 


This is the best question anyone has ever asked me about AKASH in 4 years.

I tend to not use AKASH's music in my private lovemaking becasue again my own sex life is so normal and typically I just dont listen to my own music that often.

Most times for me & my own lovemaking it is always gonna be reggae or Peter Gabriel's PAssion that always does the trick

However, AKASH songs that are my faves: Expectation ( most sexy IMHO ), In The name of Passion Flowers, Ropeburn, Amniotic Submission, Fwd March 2 Starlust Moistened Part 7, Karma Flood, Make a Wish, Reunion2 - ( Has my Best Melodic Guitar work ) , Buckle Lips, A Lisp In Thy Melancholy Heartbeat, Young Lovers Parade ( my best free jazz piano work ), Another Scorpions's Sting,  
   
Warmest Regards,
John Price/ "AKASH"
"The World's Most Erotic Band"
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic
"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" 

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At 06:53 PM 9/21/2002 -0700, Mark Sottilaro wrote:

>After seeing Matt D's amazing found object set, my wife started talking 
>about using field recordings in her music.  I figure a MD player/recorder 
>would be the way to go, but which one?  What's the best model currently 
>made?  Do they all have mic inputs?  CNET didn't seem to mention this 
>feature on any of them.  A recommendation for a decent stereo mic would be 
>useful too.

Pardon me for asking what may seem an obvious question but why Minidisc in 
particular, as opposed to something like portable DAT?

Granted, it's been a looooong time since I seriously looked at MD, but I 
always had the impression that it was natively low-fidelity -- crippled 
sample- or bit-rate (I forget which), and lossy compression that kicks in 
every pass/transfer it touches.  Of course, I'm a bit of a vinyl junkie so 
I even tend to find full16-bit/44.1khz substandard in many cases.  But has 
the Minidisc as a medium improved that much since its inception?

         -c-

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I think the duo get's it's name from the Eno-track, yes.

One of them has been part of the Boston Blue Man musical team.  He's a
looping whiz with EDP's and Repeaters in use extensively...

Skybar - Somerville, MA Monday night.


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> >I've been invited to sit-in -- >w/ Skysaw
>
> Curious: "Skysaw" after the Brian Eno track of the same name, that starts
> off the album "Another Green World"?
>
>
>
> "All the clouds turn to words ... All the words float in sequence ... No
> one knows what they mean ... Everyone just ignores them"
>
>
>
> I love that track!
>
>
>
> ---
> * just-john@just-john.com  http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml *
>
>

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     Hi Mathias. Thanks for your reply. So I don't write an email that's too 
long, I am going respond to most of your questions with individual emails. I 
will also encourage all of you loopers to see if you can sit-in on some 
Improv and modern dance classes.

In a message dated 9/21/2002 2:08:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
matthias@grob.org writes:


> >Mark  said:
> 
> >>As a professional Dance accompaniest (VCU Dance Dept./Richmond 
> >>Ballet/Henrico HS/Latin Ballet of VA/ Yoga classes...), I greatly 
> >>encourage all musicians to at least try working with dancers.
> 
> >wow... how did you learn? Are there specific courses, a site...?

    Here's how I got started: When I was a music student, I was doing some 
electronic music performances using my Bass, a couple of DeltaLab delays 
(1024 and 4096), and an EML101 (Unfortunately the EML belonged to the school, 
not me - It was extremely nice of them to let me borrow it). The DeltaLab 
1024 had an input to modulate it's internal LFO. I would use the EML to 
modulate the delay. By processing either my Bass, or my voice, this gave me 
some great sounds! The EML101 was a real powerhouse for experimental sounds. 
Of course, either delay could Loop. Come to think of it, I also used a Boss 
800MS delay pedal that had infite repeat as well. Anyway, I had plenty of 
looping/delay potential to utilize. 
     A dance student heard one of my performances and asked me to write a 
couple of electronic music pieces for her choreography. Next, a music grad 
student asked me to join him in playing for the improv classes at the Dance 
Dept. (this was 1985 - I am still playing those Improv classes, along with 
many other classes) For about 5 years, I always had at least one other 
musician playing with me at these Improv classes. Two guitar players (one of 
them, Ed Drake is actually on this list) who both are into looping, and 
another drummer. During this time I started utilizing gongs, cymbals, and 
borrowing a drum or two for more variety. 
     I eventually purchased a pair of Congas (1994?) and started learning to 
play hand drums. One day the music director for the dance dept. asked me to 
sub a modern technique class for a drummer who was out sick. Although I 
thought that I played rather poorly, they asked me back. I also made the 
effort to sit in with the other drummers at technique classes. I certainly 
was no virtuoso on drums. I believe that the dance instructors liked me 
because I was trying very hard to try and blend my drumming with their 
movement combinations, and generally learn a lot more about playing for 
dance. In other words, I was trying very hard, and they knew it. 
     Eventually I got put on the weekly schedule. Now I have 18 classes a 
week on my regular schedule along with some guest playing that I will be 
doing. I have played as many as 22 classes a week. I won't get rich doing it, 
but it's a steady day gig. 
     I also usually get at least one commission a year from dance faculty. 
The piece I am working on right now is in collaberation with Chris Burnside, 
one of the VCU Dance Faculty. We will have a showing of this piece in early 
November.
     There are very few schools (in the US anyway) that actually have any 
course of study for Dance accompaniment. From what I can tell this is only 
available as graduate work. There is a guild though, The international Guild 
for Musicians In Dance (IGMID). For the most part, it is going to be up to 
the individual musician to pursue this wonderful collaberation.
     Marc

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     Hi Mathias. Thanks for your reply. So I don't write an email that's too long, I am going respond to most of your questions with individual emails. I will also encourage all of you loopers to see if you can sit-in on some Improv and modern dance classes.



In a message dated 9/21/2002 2:08:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, matthias@grob.org writes:






>Mark <RandomLFO@aol.com> said:



>>As a professional Dance accompaniest (VCU Dance Dept./Richmond 

>>Ballet/Henrico HS/Latin Ballet of VA/ Yoga classes...), I greatly 

>>encourage all musicians to at least try working with dancers.



>wow... how did you learn? Are there specific courses, a site...?




    Here's how I got started: When I was a music student, I was doing some electronic music performances using my Bass, a couple of DeltaLab delays (1024 and 4096), and an EML101 (Unfortunately the EML belonged to the school, not me - It was extremely nice of them to let me borrow it). The DeltaLab 1024 had an input to modulate it's internal LFO. I would use the EML to modulate the delay. By processing either my Bass, or my voice, this gave me some great sounds! The EML101 was a real powerhouse for experimental sounds. Of course, either delay could Loop. Come to think of it, I also used a Boss 800MS delay pedal that had infite repeat as well. Anyway, I had plenty of looping/delay potential to utilize. 

     A dance student heard one of my performances and asked me to write a couple of electronic music pieces for her choreography. Next, a music grad student asked me to join him in playing for the improv classes at the Dance Dept. (this was 1985 - I am still playing those Improv classes, along with many other classes) For about 5 years, I always had at least one other musician playing with me at these Improv classes. Two guitar players (one of them, Ed Drake is actually on this list) who both are into looping, and another drummer. During this time I started utilizing gongs, cymbals, and borrowing a drum or two for more variety. 

     I eventually purchased a pair of Congas (1994?) and started learning to play hand drums. One day the music director for the dance dept. asked me to sub a modern technique class for a drummer who was out sick. Although I thought that I played rather poorly, they asked me back. I also made the effort to sit in with the other drummers at technique classes. I certainly was no virtuoso on drums. I believe that the dance instructors liked me because I was trying very hard to try and blend my drumming with their movement combinations, and generally learn a lot more about playing for dance. In other words, I was trying very hard, and they knew it. 

     Eventually I got put on the weekly schedule. Now I have 18 classes a week on my regular schedule along with some guest playing that I will be doing. I have played as many as 22 classes a week. I won't get rich doing it, but it's a steady day gig. 

     I also usually get at least one commission a year from dance faculty. The piece I am working on right now is in collaberation with Chris Burnside, one of the VCU Dance Faculty. We will have a showing of this piece in early November.

     There are very few schools (in the US anyway) that actually have any course of study for Dance accompaniment. From what I can tell this is only available as graduate work. There is a guild though, The international Guild for Musicians In Dance (IGMID). For the most part, it is going to be up to the individual musician to pursue this wonderful collaberation.

     Marc

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I thought the MDs were pretty obsolete at this point..the availability of
the medium itself..

Whatever you do..get yourself  a good wind sock
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> At 06:53 PM 9/21/2002 -0700, Mark Sottilaro wrote:
>
> >After seeing Matt D's amazing found object set, my wife started talking
> >about using field recordings in her music.  I figure a MD player/recorder
> >would be the way to go, but which one?  What's the best model currently
> >made?  Do they all have mic inputs?  CNET didn't seem to mention this
> >feature on any of them.  A recommendation for a decent stereo mic would
be
> >useful too.
>
> Pardon me for asking what may seem an obvious question but why Minidisc in
> particular, as opposed to something like portable DAT?
>
> Granted, it's been a looooong time since I seriously looked at MD, but I
> always had the impression that it was natively low-fidelity -- crippled
> sample- or bit-rate (I forget which), and lossy compression that kicks in
> every pass/transfer it touches.  Of course, I'm a bit of a vinyl junkie so
> I even tend to find full16-bit/44.1khz substandard in many cases.  But has
> the Minidisc as a medium improved that much since its inception?
>
>          -c-
>
> _____
> "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back"
>                                                  -recoil
>

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hi,

if you want small then check out the panasonic sj-mr220.  
I've had mine about six months now and love it. it's really 
not much bigger than the discs themselves - just a bit 
fatter.  battery life for the size is copious for most uses, and 
i find the mic compressor feels quite dynamic.  only gripe i 
have is the same for most md recorders - no digital out.

-omjn

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I'm a bass player trying to get into solo bass and looping and things =
like that but my current multieffects unit (Korg Ax1000G) only has 8 =
seconds of looping time which isn't really that useful.
I like guitar effects on bass most work very well so thats not an issue. =

I understand that this pedal has a built in 8 track recorder and/or the =
jamman looper would this unit make a good all in one looper. I was =
thinking of gettinga dl4 and a rc20 which in the end will end up with me =
doing a little dance on stage to mess with all the other effects =
processors where as the digitech would allow me to loop/record and use =
effects wouldn't it?

Any one have any experiance with this unit, or know where I can read =
some good reviews
Thanks in advance.

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useful.


I like guitar effects on bass most work =
very well=20
so thats not an issue. 


I understand that this pedal has a =
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track recorder and/or the jamman looper would this unit make a good all =
in one=20
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end up=20
with me doing a little dance on stage to mess with all the other effects =

processors where as the digitech would allow me to loop/record and use =
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Any one have any experiance with this =
unit, or know=20
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In a message dated 9/21/2002 2:08:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
matthias@grob.org writes:
 
> 
> >Mark  said:
> 
> >>Mixed meter phrases would be very difficult to work with on a 
> >>looping device though.
> 
> >is that needed for techique classes? well, EDP has Next functions for this 
> ;-)

     Well, you never really know what a dance instructor is going to throw at 
you. One week, all the instructors may be very conventional rhythmically. The 
next thing you know, you could have a 12 measure phrase that is 4 measures of 
3/4, 4 measures of 4/4, and 4 measures of 5/4. Then you could have 9 measures 
of 3/4 + 3 measures of 2/4 + 11 measures of 3/4 + 2 measures of 2/4. Then you 
could have a 7 measure phrase that is 8/8, 7/8, 6/8, 5/8, 4/8, 3/8, 2/8. -
     I remember a combined class that I played with the current music 
director of VCU dance. In this class the instructor developed a mixed meter 
phrase like the 7 measure one mentioned above. She added an 8th measure of 1 
beat to it. Then she paired the students up, and had them face each other so 
that one student was dancing backwards. The student dancing forwards did the 
combination from 8/8 down to 1/8, the student dancing backwards did the 
combination in the opposite order (from 1/8 up to 8/8). The music director 
followed the forward dancing group of students, and I followed the backward 
dancing students. 
     This past Friday, I had a pretty basic mixed meter phrase. It was 2 
measures of 5/8, followed by 2 measures of 6/8. One of my favorite phrases 
was actually thought up by a student. It was only a 3 measure phrase 
6/8,7/8,6/8, but there was something about the flow of that phrase that was 
really beautiful. Any combination can come your way though. It could be 3 
measures of 5/4, + 2 measures of 7/4, + 4 measures of 3/4. Sometimes the 
instructor is just trying to get the students to really concentrate on 
complex music structures, other times they will give them something odd just 
to get them to let go, and not think about counting.
     The challenge that this presents to loopers is that you will have very 
little time, if any, to prepare for this. On top of this the instructor may 
show the combination at one tempo, but then start it at a faster tempo. The 
instructors also tend to repeat combinations at faster speeds (without 
warning), or sometimes they will even slow it down. I have played for one 
instructor that would speed-up a combination with every repeat to a very fast 
tempo, then gradually slow it back down. Again, this is all done on-the-fly. 
Another catch is that you could have a phrase like the 12 measure phrase 
mentioned above, (3/4 - 4/4 - 5/4). The instructor could demonstrate it at a 
moderate tempo with a triplet feel to it, and have you perform it with the 
class that way. The next thing you know, they are giving you a 2 measure 
count-in to a faster version with a duple feel to it. Very rarely will you 
ever have an instructor mention anything about a mixed meter phrase, much 
less anything else, to you before class starts. They walk in with a plan 
(most of the time anyway), and expect you to follow along immediately. 
     I recommend that anyone interested in this arrange to sit-in on some 
modern dance classes, at a local university, with an accomplished modern 
dance drummer. This will give you time to think about how you might approach 
some of these situations with the safety of knowing that you can 
sit-this-one-out until you come up with something that you think might work.
     Marc

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In a message dated 9/21/2002 2:08:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, matthias@grob.org writes:

 




>Mark <RandomLFO@aol.com> said:



>>Mixed meter phrases would be very difficult to work with on a 

>>looping device though.



>is that needed for techique classes? well, EDP has Next functions for this ;-)




     Well, you never really know what a dance instructor is going to throw at you. One week, all the instructors may be very conventional rhythmically. The next thing you know, you could have a 12 measure phrase that is 4 measures of 3/4, 4 measures of 4/4, and 4 measures of 5/4. Then you could have 9 measures of 3/4 + 3 measures of 2/4 + 11 measures of 3/4 + 2 measures of 2/4. Then you could have a 7 measure phrase that is 8/8, 7/8, 6/8, 5/8, 4/8, 3/8, 2/8. -

     I remember a combined class that I played with the current music director of VCU dance. In this class the instructor developed a mixed meter phrase like the 7 measure one mentioned above. She added an 8th measure of 1 beat to it. Then she paired the students up, and had them face each other so that one student was dancing backwards. The student dancing forwards did the combination from 8/8 down to 1/8, the student dancing backwards did the combination in the opposite order (from 1/8 up to 8/8). The music director followed the forward dancing group of students, and I followed the backward dancing students. 

     This past Friday, I had a pretty basic mixed meter phrase. It was 2 measures of 5/8, followed by 2 measures of 6/8. One of my favorite phrases was actually thought up by a student. It was only a 3 measure phrase 6/8,7/8,6/8, but there was something about the flow of that phrase that was really beautiful. Any combination can come your way though. It could be 3 measures of 5/4, + 2 measures of 7/4, + 4 measures of 3/4. Sometimes the instructor is just trying to get the students to really concentrate on complex music structures, other times they will give them something odd just to get them to let go, and not think about counting.

     The challenge that this presents to loopers is that you will have very little time, if any, to prepare for this. On top of this the instructor may show the combination at one tempo, but then start it at a faster tempo. The instructors also tend to repeat combinations at faster speeds (without warning), or sometimes they will even slow it down. I have played for one instructor that would speed-up a combination with every repeat to a very fast tempo, then gradually slow it back down. Again, this is all done on-the-fly. Another catch is that you could have a phrase like the 12 measure phrase mentioned above, (3/4 - 4/4 - 5/4). The instructor could demonstrate it at a moderate tempo with a triplet feel to it, and have you perform it with the class that way. The next thing you know, they are giving you a 2 measure count-in to a faster version with a duple feel to it. Very rarely will you ever have an instructor mention anything about a mixed meter phrase, much less anything else, to you before class starts. They walk in with a plan (most of the time anyway), and expect you to follow along immediately. 

     I recommend that anyone interested in this arrange to sit-in on some modern dance classes, at a local university, with an accomplished modern dance drummer. This will give you time to think about how you might approach some of these situations with the safety of knowing that you can sit-this-one-out until you come up with something that you think might work.

     Marc

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> I thought the MDs were pretty obsolete at this point..the availability of
> the medium itself..

I really love my MD.  I can carry it (and use it) like a little snapshot
camera.  Although I, too, wonder about the long term availability of MD
media, I can now buy them at my local Wal-Mart and Meijer, FWIW.  A few
years ago I had to mail order them.

- Dennis Leas


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At 09:30 PM 9/22/2002 -0400, akashmusic@aol.com wrote:
>>what means BDSM?
>
>BDSM = Bondage Discipline & Sado Masochism.

Not to nitpick (erm, much), but you forgot the third area:

         BDSM -
                 Bondage/Discipline
                         Dominance/Submission
                                 Sado-Masochism

Sorry, but you just happened to omit the one subject that's "nearest & 
dearest" to many of us.  ;)

And thanks for the discussion thusfar.  This is great stuff!!!

         -c-

_____
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No- I get my discs at Best Buy- 
As for the previous post regarding fidelity- they sound great- the
algorhythms are improved over the early days-  I have a Sharp and a set
of binaural mics- works really well, and has other compressions that
allow 160 to 320 min of rec time at lower fidelity- battery life is good
and an little added AA adapter eliminates any compatibility/adapter
issues.

In any event I think MD recorders are an excellent value. I use it to
record rehearsals and can divide and edit out unwanted portions easily.
You can title recordings, group tracks and perform many other editing
functions. The access time to any track is quick unlike DAT- 

If you think you will need to adjust the Rec level on the fly then Sony
are not the best bet as you have to go into sub menus. Sharp have direct
Rec level adj on all models.

Cliff

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It was written:
I thought the MDs were pretty obsolete at this point..the availability
of
the medium itself..

Whatever you do..get yourself  a good wind sock
>
> Granted, it's been a looooong time since I seriously looked at MD, but
I
> always had the impression that it was natively low-fidelity --
crippled
> sample- or bit-rate (I forget which), and lossy compression that kicks
in
> every pass/transfer it touches.  Of course, I'm a bit of a vinyl
junkie so
> I even tend to find full16-bit/44.1khz substandard in many cases.  But
has
> the Minidisc as a medium improved that much since its inception?
>



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>Forwarded Message  
>Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 17:19:20 -0300 
>From: "Matthias Grob"  
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>Subject: Re: dancing loops 


>Steve Rice said:
>>Since it seems I'm in such good company, I'll chime in that I
>>also dance Contact Improv.  Haven't played for a class yet,
>>but I keep it in mind as I work on my music chops.
>
>oh, just try it, you will love it!
>

Thanks, I'm sure I would.  I want to be sure they will love it
too.  Also, I will probably need to hand the teacher a sample
CD of my music, and that CD doesn't yet exist.

>>One thing which I think will be possible with looping is to
>>get up for a minute and dance will the looper plays away...
>>Including the dancers in the music, putting the musician(s)
>>into
>>the dance, these things should be very possible with the
>>technology (nothing new of course).  This is part of my
search
>>for midi twiddlers.
>
>I dont quite understand this part... do you suggest that the 
>music is 
>built automatically by sensors controlled by the dancers?
>Somehow I doubt this will turn out nice, and I dont see the 
>necessity 
>since there are some many loopers that want to play...

I have in mind one parameter on one Repeater track or in the
effects processor.  Everything else would be played and 
controlled by me.  The parameter could be pitch of one
supporting instrument, or LFO speed somewhere. This could be
done with a single midi cc controller.  From what I've found so
far, I can buy a MidiSolutions brand gizmo into which a
potentiometer can be plugged, and which will transmit 
programmable cc commands.
 

>>Apparently there is some correlation between people who loop
>>and improvisational dancers.  Both are very free-form, with
>>some structure to follow, and break when needed.
>
>right, a joint art form...
 
I've played(in ensemble) for African and Middle Eastern
dancers,
and there is absolutely nothing better than when musicians and
dancers perform in sync.  (At least outside the "Adult"
thread in this forum ;-) Such parallels.)  They dance what you 
play, you play what they dance...

Perhaps next year will be the first Looping and Improvisational
Dance Festival!  And if AKASH plays, we can double our
audience!!!

Yours in Rhythm,
Steve





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In a message dated Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:23:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, catilyne@icicle.net writes:

> 
> Not to nitpick (erm, much), but you forgot the third area:
> 
>          BDSM -
>                  Bondage/Discipline
>                          Dominance/Submission
>                                  Sado-Masochism
> 
> Sorry, but you just happened to omit the one subject that's 
> "nearest & 
> dearest" to many of us.  ;)

You are not nit picking but certainly emphasizing a key component of BDSM.

and it is nice to know there are people on LD who are Sex Positive and aware of BDSM realtionships & intimately aware of its finest points.

& it is so noted here as that Sub Play and perspectives are essential to any effective power exchange where not only is there an experienced Domme but there has to be a Good, experienced and well trained Sub alongwith trust established between the 2 parties/perspectives.

& the keys to Domme Sub realtionships working and inspiring both individual(s)IMHO is more or less about the quality of the relationship established and the presence of an intimacy that usually comes with time & always with consideration, imagination & respect.

I kinda alluded to it before, but Loralai is possibly the most brilliant Sub I have ever seen who paired with the right domme is absolutely mind blowing in where they both can go in terms of power exchange.

Iris Senseless is also a great Sub alongwith The Rev. Johnny Hell & RC Horsch being very effective Doms.

But the energy, trust and total immersion in cooperation Loralai exhibits is something to witness as her training and experience make her very much a stellar and stunning (looks, intuition & libido) sub-slut.

But looping and BDSM go together very well as BDSM rituals/ relationships are absolutely perfect for dark ambient to even peaceful & pastoral soundscapes as the music has such added power in these BDSM settings & especially so where & when the people present have deep and well established realtionships already in place IMHO.

Warmest Regards,
John Price/ "AKASH"
"The World's Most Erotic Band"
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic
"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" 



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Hmmmm ... I wonder *how* many of us? :)   Dominance/Submission loopers:
"You will kneel at my feet when the loop comes around again"  Yes, yes,
YES !!!  

Elby  (who's very serious about his "trance" music)


> Subject: Re: adult only loops = AKASH
> Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 22:23:19 -0500
> From: Catilyne 
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
> At 09:30 PM 9/22/2002 -0400, akashmusic@aol.com wrote:
> >>what means BDSM?
> >
> >BDSM = Bondage Discipline & Sado Masochism.
>
> Not to nitpick (erm, much), but you forgot the third area:
>
>          BDSM -
>                  Bondage/Discipline
>                          Dominance/Submission
>                                  Sado-Masochism
>
> Sorry, but you just happened to omit the one subject that's "nearest
> &
> dearest" to many of us.  ;)
>
> And thanks for the discussion thusfar.  This is great stuff!!!
>
>          -c-
>

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I enjoyed playing modern and jazz and dance classes for a decade before I ever got into looping. It really helped me build my solo acoustic chops. I would play guitar and ankle bells+footshaker, while singing, some congas, and some occasional exotic strings like Chinese Zither, etc...Tough gig-jamming original improvised music in odd time signatures (sometimes) for college chicks bending over in their leotards... 
 I eventually quit when I realized I was making more $ on a single college gig than an entire semester of dance classes...but the classes helped me get there...
Last semester, I did a single class again as an experiment to try to build chops with my new EDP and guitar synth/drum machine set up...
It was pretty bad... I could not keep up with tempo changes and the teacher kept stopping and starting before I could get things going...Sometimes the teacher would count off at a tempo where I would start my loop and then immediately (unconsciously) rush the beat when the dancers started...Playing a drum you can flow with those insconsistencies...my EDP chops were not tight enough to nail most of it...
I could see how you could blend some looping in with a lot of live stuff, but to do it totally with looping would be a trick.
Maybe there is some software for laptop looping that lets you change tempos on the fly?
Bradley Fish
 
 
 
 
 
  
 RandomLFO@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 9/21/2002 2:08:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, matthias@grob.org writes:


>Mark  said:

>>Mixed meter phrases would be very difficult to work with on a 
>>looping device though.

>is that needed for techique classes? well, EDP has Next functions for this ;-)

     Well, you never really know what a dance instructor is going to throw at you. One week, all the instructors may be very conventional rhythmically. The next thing you know, you could have a 12 measure phrase that is 4 measures of 3/4, 4 measures of 4/4, and 4 measures of 5/4. Then you could have 9 measures of 3/4 + 3 measures of 2/4 + 11 measures of 3/4 + 2 measures of 2/4. Then you could have a 7 measure phrase that is 8/8, 7/8, 6/8, 5/8, 4/8, 3/8, 2/8. -
     I remember a combined class that I played with the current music director of VCU dance. In this class the instructor developed a mixed meter phrase like the 7 measure one mentioned above. She added an 8th measure of 1 beat to it. Then she paired the students up, and had them face each other so that one student was dancing backwards. The student dancing forwards did the combination from 8/8 down to 1/8, the student dancing backwards did the combination in the opposite order (from 1/8 up to 8/8). The music director followed the forward dancing group of students, and I followed the backward dancing students. 
     This past Friday, I had a pretty basic mixed meter phrase. It was 2 measures of 5/8, followed by 2 measures of 6/8. One of my favorite phrases was actually thought up by a student. It was only a 3 measure phrase 6/8,7/8,6/8, but there was something about the flow of that phrase that was really beautiful. Any combination can come your way though. It could be 3 measures of 5/4, + 2 measures of 7/4, + 4 measures of 3/4. Sometimes the instructor is just trying to get the students to really concentrate on complex music structures, other times they will give them something odd just to get them to let go, and not think about counting.
     The challenge that this presents to loopers is that you will have very little time, if any, to prepare for this. On top of this the instructor may show the combination at one tempo, but then start it at a faster tempo. The instructors also tend to repeat combinations at faster speeds (without warning), or sometimes they will even slow it down. I have played for one instructor that would speed-up a combination with every repeat to a very fast tempo, then gradually slow it back down. Again, this is all done on-the-fly. Another catch is that you could have a phrase like the 12 measure phrase mentioned above, (3/4 - 4/4 - 5/4). The instructor could demonstrate it at a moderate tempo with a triplet feel to it, and have you perform it with the class that way. The next thing you know, they are giving you a 2 measure count-in to a faster version with a duple feel to it. Very rarely will you ever have an instructor mention anything about a mixed meter phrase, m! uch less anything else, to you before class starts. They walk in with a plan (most of the time anyway), and expect you to follow along immediately. 
     I recommend that anyone interested in this arrange to sit-in on some modern dance classes, at a local university, with an accomplished modern dance drummer. This will give you time to think about how you might approach some of these situations with the safety of knowing that you can sit-this-one-out until you come up with something that you think might work.
     Marc 


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I enjoyed playing modern and jazz and dance classes for a decade before I ever got into looping. It really helped me build my solo acoustic chops. I would play guitar and ankle bells+footshaker, while singing, some congas, and some occasional exotic strings like Chinese Zither, etc...Tough gig-jamming original improvised music in odd time signatures (sometimes) for college chicks bending over in their leotards... 

 I eventually quit when I realized I was making more $ on a single college gig than an entire semester of dance classes...but the classes helped me get there...

Last semester, I did a single class again as an experiment to try to build chops with my new EDP and guitar synth/drum machine set up...

It was pretty bad... I could not keep up with tempo changes and the teacher kept stopping and starting before I could get things going...Sometimes the teacher would count off at a tempo where I would start my loop and then immediately (unconsciously) rush the beat when the dancers started...Playing a drum you can flow with those insconsistencies...my EDP chops were not tight enough to nail most of it...

I could see how you could blend some looping in with a lot of live stuff, but to do it totally with looping would be a trick.

Maybe there is some software for laptop looping that lets you change tempos on the fly?

Bradley Fish

 

 

 

 

 

  

 RandomLFO@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 9/21/2002 2:08:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, matthias@grob.org writes:




>Mark <RandomLFO@aol.com> said:

>>Mixed meter phrases would be very difficult to work with on a 
>>looping device though.

>is that needed for techique classes? well, EDP has Next functions for this ;-)






     Well, you never really know what a dance instructor is going to throw at you. One week, all the instructors may be very conventional rhythmically. The next thing you know, you could have a 12 measure phrase that is 4 measures of 3/4, 4 measures of 4/4, and 4 measures of 5/4. Then you could have 9 measures of 3/4 + 3 measures of 2/4 + 11 measures of 3/4 + 2 measures of 2/4. Then you could have a 7 measure phrase that is 8/8, 7/8, 6/8, 5/8, 4/8, 3/8, 2/8. -
     I remember a combined class that I played with the current music director of VCU dance. In this class the instructor developed a mixed meter phrase like the 7 measure one mentioned above. She added an 8th measure of 1 beat to it. Then she paired the students up, and had them face each other so that one student was dancing backwards. The student dancing forwards did the combination from 8/8 down to 1/8, the student dancing backwards did the combination in the opposite order (from 1/8 up to 8/8). The music director followed the forward dancing group of students, and I followed the backward dancing students. 
     This past Friday, I had a pretty basic mixed meter phrase. It was 2 measures of 5/8, followed by 2 measures of 6/8. One of my favorite phrases was actually thought up by a student. It was only a 3 measure phrase 6/8,7/8,6/8, but there was something about the flow of that phrase that was really beautiful. Any combination can come your way though. It could be 3 measures of 5/4, + 2 measures of 7/4, + 4 measures of 3/4. Sometimes the instructor is just trying to get the students to really concentrate on complex music structures, other times they will give them something odd just to get them to let go, and not think about counting.
     The challenge that this presents to loopers is that you will have very little time, if any, to prepare for this. On top of this the instructor may show the combination at one tempo, but then start it at a faster tempo. The instructors also tend to repeat combinations at faster speeds (without warning), or sometimes they will even slow it down. I have played for one instructor that would speed-up a combination with every repeat to a very fast tempo, then gradually slow it back down. Again, this is all done on-the-fly. Another catch is that you could have a phrase like the 12 measure phrase mentioned above, (3/4 - 4/4 - 5/4). The instructor could demonstrate it at a moderate tempo with a triplet feel to it, and have you perform it with the class that way. The next thing you know, they are giving you a 2 measure count-in to a faster version with a duple feel to it. Very rarely will you ever have an instructor mention anything about a mixed meter phrase, m! uch less anything else, to you before class starts. They walk in with a plan (most of the time anyway), and expect you to follow along immediately. 
     I recommend that anyone interested in this arrange to sit-in on some modern dance classes, at a local university, with an accomplished modern dance drummer. This will give you time to think about how you might approach some of these situations with the safety of knowing that you can sit-this-one-out until you come up with something that you think might work.
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The quality of the codec is much higher now
and here, in Toronto, it's very easy to get discs.
More and more of my friends use them too
so it's easy to exchange discs with our music.
A good portable DAT is better quality (you
just have to think about how much room is
left in the MD for the mic preamp) but the
MD quality is still very good - and I know
several people who have made very good
CDs from master recordings on MD.
Their size makes them good for spontaneous
field recordings.

Cheers,
Scott M2

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> I thought the MDs were pretty obsolete at this point..the availability of
> the medium itself..
> 
> Whatever you do..get yourself  a good wind sock
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Duke Sexton" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 9:20 PM
> Subject: Re: MiniDisc for field recording
> 
> 
> > At 06:53 PM 9/21/2002 -0700, Mark Sottilaro wrote:
> >
> > >After seeing Matt D's amazing found object set, my wife started talking
> > >about using field recordings in her music.  I figure a MD player/recorder
> > >would be the way to go, but which one?  What's the best model currently
> > >made?  Do they all have mic inputs?  CNET didn't seem to mention this
> > >feature on any of them.  A recommendation for a decent stereo mic would
> be
> > >useful too.
> >
> > Pardon me for asking what may seem an obvious question but why Minidisc in
> > particular, as opposed to something like portable DAT?
> >
> > Granted, it's been a looooong time since I seriously looked at MD, but I
> > always had the impression that it was natively low-fidelity -- crippled
> > sample- or bit-rate (I forget which), and lossy compression that kicks in
> > every pass/transfer it touches.  Of course, I'm a bit of a vinyl junkie so
> > I even tend to find full16-bit/44.1khz substandard in many cases.  But has
> > the Minidisc as a medium improved that much since its inception?
> >
> >          -c-
> >
> > _____
> > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back"
> >                                                  -recoil
> >
> 
> 

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Hi Clifford,
   There is a way to recalibrate the footpedal on the behringer web site, 
give it a try, it worked for mine.

weg


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hi,
I played a low key outdoor show in bloomington,IN using guitar and guitar loops. I use a couple of boomerangs and a couple of jammans. Well,  if you want to check out an audio clip form the show, I have one at http://www.dtguitar.com/spponsept21.mp3 .Let me know what you think. thiswas near the end of the show, second set, so it was pretty laid back.fun!!
thanks
Denis

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    The bad thing about the GNX3 "Jamman mode" is there's no reverse or loop 
decay control. I'd rather have had that than a drum machine.
    The good side is you can layer seven separate tracks and "undo" each one 
by using the "delete." You can layer on a single track, but you'll loose 
everything when you "delete." This is all built on the "record mode." The 
internal memory allows you to store loops. The "smart card" expands your 
storage. 
    Supposedly DigiTech wants to release a BNX3 (obviously for bass). But the 
present economy is probably a factor. 


                                    Ciao, James 

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Apparently Minidisc is huge in japan, with many makes and models

Here's a some great pages for minidisc....there's even info on hacking the
protection codes if you're so inclined

also look for their holophonic microphones, in ear or on sunglasses, cool for
collecting enviro sounds incognito

kirby

http://www.minidisc.org/
http://www.minidisco.com/

"Dennis W. Leas" wrote:

> > I thought the MDs were pretty obsolete at this point..the availability of
> > the medium itself..
>
> I really love my MD.  I can carry it (and use it) like a little snapshot
> camera.  Although I, too, wonder about the long term availability of MD
> media, I can now buy them at my local Wal-Mart and Meijer, FWIW.  A few
> years ago I had to mail order them.
>
> - Dennis Leas

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oops, typos in url, the correct link is http://www.dtguitar.com/spoonsept21.mp3
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Denis

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hi,
I played a low key outdoor show in bloomington,IN using guitar and guitar loops. I use a couple of boomerangs and a couple of jammans. Well,  if you want to check out an audio clip form the show, I have one at http://www.dtguitar.com/spponsept21.mp3 .Let me know what you think. thiswas near the end of the show, second set, so it was pretty laid back.fun!!
thanks
Denis

Denis Taaffe
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Hi Steven
I'm a lurker on L-D. Not really what you asked, but if you want get into =
solo bass & looping, you HAVE to listen to Steve Lawson ... =
www.steve-lawson.co.uk  He also reads the list and posts sometimes.
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Matthew Wilson.
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  I'm a bass player trying to get into solo bass and looping and things =
like that but my current multieffects unit (Korg Ax1000G) only has 8 =
seconds of looping time which isn't really that useful.
  I like guitar effects on bass most work very well so thats not an =
issue.=20
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the jamman looper would this unit make a good all in one looper. I was =
thinking of gettinga dl4 and a rc20 which in the end will end up with me =
doing a little dance on stage to mess with all the other effects =
processors where as the digitech would allow me to loop/record and use =
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  Any one have any experiance with this unit, or know where I can read =
some good reviews
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Hi Steven


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Matthew Wilson.


  
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>.Let me > know what you 
> think. thiswas near the end of the show, second set, so it 
> was pretty laid back.fun!! thanks Denis
> 
> Denis Taaffe
> denis@dtguitar.com
> http://www.dtguitar.com


Beautiful music. Thanks! :-)

Best wishes

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Does anyone know where to find a new or like-new roland a90/a90ex?  thanks Louis
 



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Does anyone know where to find a new or like-new roland a90/a90ex?  thanks Louis

 

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I've read that with a 128meg smart card you can get 24 mins at cd quality
and you divide this between the 8 tracks can you imagine having 8 3minute
tracks at you feet not including doing the track bouncing and overdubbing
you could do. It looks very good to me but I'm not sure I'm very new to
looping all I know that allot of loopers are still hanging on to there now
discontinued jammans and this things got one built in with lots of memory.
Are there not any reverse delays or effects in the processor that you could
maybe use I want to d/l the booklet but on a 28.8 kbps modem 8meg is rather
large maybe some one with broad band could d/l it and tell me about the
jamman features if the wouldn't mind.
I don't understand the importance of a loop decay control what do these do
exactly?

Thanks for the help James and anyone else that replies.
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>     The bad thing about the GNX3 "Jamman mode" is there's no reverse or
loop
> decay control. I'd rather have had that than a drum machine.
>     The good side is you can layer seven separate tracks and "undo" each
one
> by using the "delete." You can layer on a single track, but you'll loose
> everything when you "delete." This is all built on the "record mode." The
> internal memory allows you to store loops. The "smart card" expands your
> storage.
>     Supposedly DigiTech wants to release a BNX3 (obviously for bass). But
the
> present economy is probably a factor.
>
>
>                                     Ciao, James
>

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It's nice to be able to have a loop decay into the background,
as opposed to just abruptly killing it from the mix.  Without
separate outputs, I'm wandering if there is MIDI control or
expression pedal control to lower the volume on a track on
the GNX3...? ....and in the JamMan mode.....
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Steven Taylor wrote:

>
> I don't understand the importance of a loop decay control what do these do
> exactly?
>




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There was documentary made >by< the crop circlers on BBC in england a while
back. They weren't green, and didn't come from Mars. I think they came from
Corby.

I do agree, there's definitely a looper connection however - they're geeky,
like playing with the effects of technology and math on nature, and most
people don't quite understand them. :>

bIz

----- Original Message -----

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> Really the OT means ON topic :-)
>
> You *must* see this movie when it comes to your town. Just saw it this
> afternoon, and it is mind boggling, and real, and connects with our
> zeitgeist as loopers in a deep way. This is a phenomena I hadn't tuned
into
> before, but the stuff shown in this film sure grabbed my attention...and
> heart.
>
> www.cropcirclesthemovie.com
>
> Onward...
>
>
>
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>   _/  _/  _/  _/_/    _/  _/
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Can you please Email me the SP 808ex OS, for me to update my sp 808 OS =
through the zip driver, (not through Midi)?

Thank you very much

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Can you please Email me the SP 808ex =
OS, for me to=20
update my sp 808 OS through the zip driver, (not through =
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Thank you very much


 


Mario


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Thanks Kim!  That's what I suspected.  Every time we have a thread like 
this I always think one thing: Why the hell are loopers a nitch market? 
  Please, let's not start a new thread on this one, as the question has 
no real answer.  My question is rhetorical.

Mark Sottilaro

On Sunday, September 22, 2002, at 03:47  PM, Kim Flint wrote:
> . So you really have to be careful about the components used, and 
> cross your fingers a bit. It is a serious disaster if a part is used 
> that is too closely tied otherwise to the PC industry. They will stop 
> using it within a year, and the manufacturer will likely stop making 
> it. Then you are screwed. Just the cost to do a minor change in the 
> hardware to replace such a part can wipe out the profits of the whole 
> product.
>
> kim
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
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Hi folks,

Come one, come all:

Labyrinth Inauguration, Noe Valley Ministry, San Francisco, CA  (9/25)
Arts Center, Troy, NY  www.ir-music.com (10/3)
Kalvos & Damian New Music Bazaar, Plainfield, VT  http://kalvos.org/ (10/5)
Knitting Factory, New York, NY  www.knittingfactory.com (10/9)
Roulette, New York, NY  www.roulette.org (10/12)
John Schaefer's New Sounds, WNYC, New York, NY  http://www.wnyc.org/ (10/16)
CBGB's 313 Gallery, New York, NY  www.cbgb.com/ (10/17)
Zeitgeist Gallery, Cambridge, MA http://www.zeitgeist-gallery.org (10/19)
Line Space Line, Los Angeles, CA  (11/4)
Trilogy, KXLU, Long Beach, CA  (11/6)  www.kxlu.com

See ya,

Tom Heasley

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Hi folks,


Come one, come all:



Labyrinth Inauguration, Noe Valley Ministry, San Francisco, CA 
(9/25)

Arts Center, Troy, NY 
www.ir-music.com
(10/3)

Kalvos & Damian New Music Bazaar, Plainfield, VT  http://kalvos.org/ (10/5)

Knitting Factory, New York, NY  www.knittingfactory.com (10/9)

Roulette, New York, NY  www.roulette.org (10/12)

John Schaefer's New Sounds, WNYC, New York, NY  http://www.wnyc.org/ (10/16)

CBGB's 313 Gallery, New York, NY  www.cbgb.com/ (10/17)

Zeitgeist Gallery, Cambridge, MA http://www.zeitgeist-gallery.org (10/19)

Line Space Line, Los Angeles, CA  (11/4)

Trilogy, KXLU, Long Beach, CA  (11/6)  www.kxlu.com 


See ya,


Tom Heasley



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Well, size and price were the main consideration.  DAT is nice but 
expensive, bigger and not random access, which is nice.  I've got a 
friend who uses a MD to record Irish Music sessions she plays at, and 
it seems to do a decent job.  For sure good enough for her needs.  
Again, I'll point out my post about my Nikon 35mm vs my Olympus 360 
digital camera.  I can get really nice results from my Nikon, but it's 
size and material cost and complexity (of processing) keep it stashed 
away most of the time.  My Olympus gives me fair quality at best, but 
the ability to stuff it into my cargo shorts pocket, whip out it's 
smartmedia card and pop it into my Mac's USB reader makes it my most 
used camera.  Stealth is often the difference between use and not use.

Mark Sottilaro

On Sunday, September 22, 2002, at 06:20  PM, Duke Sexton wrote:

> Pardon me for asking what may seem an obvious question but why 
> Minidisc in particular, as opposed to something like portable DAT?

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That sounded very nice! Good work!

weg




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Yeah, I bought one this summer, to use for a week, while I was visiting my
parents, with the intention of returning it, at the end of the week. --
(Come on, be honest!! I can't be the only one who does this!! ;-)

Anyways, for the price, the unit was quite amazing.  The smart media cards
do hold a lot of loop time, and it was nicely laid out for creating one
loop after another, up to 8...and the ability to store many banks of 8
loops. The sound quality was pretty good - the amp models were ok -- better
than many of the other modelers I ahve heard -- the effects were just
OK....but considering you get all that for $479, it is not bad.  I did not
end up keeping the unit, but was tempted....if I did not have Echoplex DP's
already, and I was just getting into guitar and looping, it would be a good
deal.

- Chris



>It's nice to be able to have a loop decay into the background,
>as opposed to just abruptly killing it from the mix.  Without
>separate outputs, I'm wandering if there is MIDI control or
>expression pedal control to lower the volume on a track on
>the GNX3...? ....and in the JamMan mode.....
>--
>gary
>@friendlyspider.com
>
>Steven Taylor wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't understand the importance of a loop decay control what do these do
>> exactly?
>>

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Denis,

Very Nice. I like it. Post more.

Best,

T. Killian

www.mp3.com/tedkillian
http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html

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So when dya think they'll come out with the "Pocket-peater" ?
LOL

Mark Sottilaro wrote:

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> the ability to stuff it into my cargo shorts pocket, ..... makes it my
> most
> used .....  Stealth is often the difference between use and not use.
>
> Mark Sottilaro



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The GNX3 actually as 3 Bass amp models included.  I actually got rid of 
a bunch of stuff recently to get a GNX2, for portability issues.  I 
looked at the GNX3 for it's looping ability, but felt it to be much too 
limited.  I don't think you're going to find an all in one solution.  
Maybe a Boomerang, Line6 DL4 or RC20 are the ticket for you if you want 
to keep it on the floor.

As for me, I did my first gig with my "micro rig"  I was able to carry 
it all in one trip and set it up in 6 min.  AMAZING.. for me.  
Guitar-GNX2 - Repeater - (Alesis AirFX in effects loop) - PA

The venue supplied the PA, as it was part of the NorCal Noisefest 2002. 
  One of the other guitarists in our band (Big City Orchestra) was 
looping with the DL4, and that seemed to do a nice job if you don't 
care about synching to a MIDI clock.  I'm not sure what the max loop 
length is, though.

Mark Sottilaro

On Monday, September 23, 2002, at 08:16  AM, Jhsidlo@aol.com wrote:
>
>     Supposedly DigiTech wants to release a BNX3 (obviously for bass). 
> But the
> present economy is probably a factor.
>
>
>                                     Ciao, James
>

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Another thing:

One BIG oversight with the GNX-3, in my opinion, is that, in Jam Man mode
(the looping mode), you cannot  sync to MIDI, OR send out a MIDI beat
cloak, to sync other units to it.  Makes it hard to integrate into another
looping setup...

- Chris




>The GNX3 actually as 3 Bass amp models included.  I actually got rid of
>a bunch of stuff recently to get a GNX2, for portability issues.  I
>looked at the GNX3 for it's looping ability, but felt it to be much too
>limited.  I don't think you're going to find an all in one solution.
>Maybe a Boomerang, Line6 DL4 or RC20 are the ticket for you if you want
>to keep it on the floor.
>
>As for me, I did my first gig with my "micro rig"  I was able to carry
>it all in one trip and set it up in 6 min.  AMAZING.. for me.
>Guitar-GNX2 - Repeater - (Alesis AirFX in effects loop) - PA
>
>The venue supplied the PA, as it was part of the NorCal Noisefest 2002.
>  One of the other guitarists in our band (Big City Orchestra) was
>looping with the DL4, and that seemed to do a nice job if you don't
>care about synching to a MIDI clock.  I'm not sure what the max loop
>length is, though.
>
>Mark Sottilaro
>
>On Monday, September 23, 2002, at 08:16  AM, Jhsidlo@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>     Supposedly DigiTech wants to release a BNX3 (obviously for bass).
>> But the
>> present economy is probably a factor.
>>
>>
>>                                     Ciao, James
>>

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Hi everybody,
I use the EDP Loop III and the FCB 1010. I’ve got each button on my 
footpedal, but I can’t delete a loop. How does it work? On the EDP it is a 
long press on the record button, and on the FCB 1010?
thanks
Dirk

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I know proper looping devices would be better but the GNX can act as an 8
track looper as I can turn loops on and off where as the line 6 and the boss
can't do this.
My first thought for a looping rig was bass--effects--dl4--rc20--amp
But this would only allow me to have 2 loops yes I can overdub but I can't
get rid of the overdub and introduce something else with the touch of a
button like you guys with the repeaters and echoplexs can.
It wouldn't really matter if the effects and amp modelling weren't amazing
because I have other things that can handle those but as a kind of repeater
on the floor I think this is the best option unless some one can wow me with
the features of the RC-20.

Thanks for the help.
----- Original Message -----
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> The GNX3 actually as 3 Bass amp models included.  I actually got rid of
> a bunch of stuff recently to get a GNX2, for portability issues.  I
> looked at the GNX3 for it's looping ability, but felt it to be much too
> limited.  I don't think you're going to find an all in one solution.
> Maybe a Boomerang, Line6 DL4 or RC20 are the ticket for you if you want
> to keep it on the floor.
>
> As for me, I did my first gig with my "micro rig"  I was able to carry
> it all in one trip and set it up in 6 min.  AMAZING.. for me.
> Guitar-GNX2 - Repeater - (Alesis AirFX in effects loop) - PA
>
> The venue supplied the PA, as it was part of the NorCal Noisefest 2002.
>   One of the other guitarists in our band (Big City Orchestra) was
> looping with the DL4, and that seemed to do a nice job if you don't
> care about synching to a MIDI clock.  I'm not sure what the max loop
> length is, though.
>
> Mark Sottilaro
>
> On Monday, September 23, 2002, at 08:16  AM, Jhsidlo@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >     Supposedly DigiTech wants to release a BNX3 (obviously for bass).
> > But the
> > present economy is probably a factor.
> >
> >
> >                                     Ciao, James
> >
>

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Hi Louis-
Thanks for the prompt shipment- I just recieved the pedal. It looks like it
will be fun- I'll try it as soon as I get home from work- thanks again for a
smooth transaction!
Cliff


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Thanks Jon, that's great info.  What I decided to do was something all 
together different and get her a Zoom Palm Recorder.  None of this 
compression stuff.  Solid state, none of this silly tape thing.  
Compact flash cards.  It only gives you 17 minutes with the supplied 
card, but for the stuff she wants to do it's plenty and we can always 
get more/bigger cards.

Mark Sottilaro

On Monday, September 23, 2002, at 03:07  PM, Jon Wagner wrote:

> Mark-
>   I did a head to head comparison of MD and DAT recording (same room, 
> band,
> and mic) and I can REALLY hear the difference between MD and DAT 
> recordings.

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Are you using notes or CC in your presets Mark? I am using CC and it does
not seem to work- I am also not having any luck with cc 61 for reset-

Cliff
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> Same thing.  Just hold it down longer.
>
> On Monday, September 23, 2002, at 03:05  PM, Dirkstrakhof@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Hi everybody,
> > I use the EDP Loop III and the FCB 1010. I’ve got each button on my
> > footpedal, but I can’t delete a loop. How does it work? On the EDP it
> > is a
> > long press on the record button, and on the FCB 1010?
> > thanks
> > Dirk
> >
>
>


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Same thing.  Just hold it down longer.

On Monday, September 23, 2002, at 03:05  PM, Dirkstrakhof@aol.com wrote:

> Hi everybody,
> I use the EDP Loop III and the FCB 1010. I’ve got each button on my
> footpedal, but I can’t delete a loop. How does it work? On the EDP it 
> is a
> long press on the record button, and on the FCB 1010?
> thanks
> Dirk
>

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Oh, I'm using notes, as I'm using cc to control the Repeater.  Don't 
know if that is posible.

Mark

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> Are you using notes or CC in your presets Mark? I am using CC and it 
> does
> not seem to work- I am also not having any luck with cc 61 for reset-
>
> Cliff
> ----- Original Message -----
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>
>
>> Same thing.  Just hold it down longer.
>>
>> On Monday, September 23, 2002, at 03:05  PM, Dirkstrakhof@aol.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everybody,
>>> I use the EDP Loop III and the FCB 1010. I’ve got each button on my
>>> footpedal, but I can’t delete a loop. How does it work? On the EDP it
>>> is a
>>> long press on the record button, and on the FCB 1010?
>>> thanks
>>> Dirk
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

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I was wondering if there are any "black boxes" on the market that will
convert MIDI CC data to MIDI Program Change data.  Thanks!

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In a message dated 9/22/2002 4:19:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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> >One thing which I think will be possible with looping is to
> >get up for a minute and dance will the looper plays away...
> >Including the dancers in the music, putting the musician(s)
> >into
> >the dance, these things should be very possible with the
> >technology (nothing new of course).  This is part of my search
> >for midi twiddlers.
> 
> I dont quite understand this part... do you suggest that the music is 
> built automatically by sensors controlled by the dancers?
> Somehow I doubt this will turn out nice, and I dont see the necessity 
> since there are some many loopers that want to play...

     FWIW, there is the I-Cube system by Infusion Systems. 
(www.infusionsystems.com) The I-Cube has a lot of sensors (Like tilt and tap) 
designed to allow the dancers to either trigger MIDI events, or send CC 
messages. there is also the BodySynth (www.synthzone.com/bsynth.html), and 
various gloves designed for MIDI (I-cube also has gloves). The ControllerZone 
has an interesting collection of controllers (www.synthzone.com/ctrlr.htm). 
Some of these may provide some nice options for Loopers.
     Marc

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In a message dated 9/22/2002 4:19:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, matthias@grob.org writes:






>One thing which I think will be possible with looping is to

>get up for a minute and dance will the looper plays away...

>Including the dancers in the music, putting the musician(s)

>into

>the dance, these things should be very possible with the

>technology (nothing new of course).  This is part of my search

>for midi twiddlers.



I dont quite understand this part... do you suggest that the music is 

built automatically by sensors controlled by the dancers?

Somehow I doubt this will turn out nice, and I dont see the necessity 

since there are some many loopers that want to play...




     FWIW, there is the I-Cube system by Infusion Systems. (www.infusionsystems.com) The I-Cube has a lot of sensors (Like tilt and tap) designed to allow the dancers to either trigger MIDI events, or send CC messages. there is also the BodySynth (www.synthzone.com/bsynth.html), and various gloves designed for MIDI (I-cube also has gloves). The ControllerZone has an interesting collection of controllers (www.synthzone.com/ctrlr.htm). Some of these may provide some nice options for Loopers.

     Marc


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I could be mistaken, but I believe I read one of their ads where the
mentioned that the Zoom Palm recorder also uses some kind of ATRAC
compression.

1 minute stereo @ 32khz/16bit = ~ 7.25 megs
7.25 * 17 minutes = 123 megs

They are definitely doing some kind of compression to get the files to be
half the size. At 2 to 1 however, chances are it's lossless, unless I was
correct about the use of the ATRAC codec. It's also only 32khz in
bandwidth....

Check out the Nomad Jukebox from Creative Labs. It will capture to wav, and
depending on your budget, give you up to 40 gigs of space, and firewire, as
well as doubling as a mp3 player. One of the show producers I've worked with
uses one to archive all the live shows he does.

bIz

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> Thanks Jon, that's great info.  What I decided to do was something all
> together different and get her a Zoom Palm Recorder.  None of this
> compression stuff.  Solid state, none of this silly tape thing.
> Compact flash cards.  It only gives you 17 minutes with the supplied
> card, but for the stuff she wants to do it's plenty and we can always
> get more/bigger cards.
>
> Mark Sottilaro
>
> On Monday, September 23, 2002, at 03:07  PM, Jon Wagner wrote:
>
> > Mark-
> >   I did a head to head comparison of MD and DAT recording (same room,
> > band,
> > and mic) and I can REALLY hear the difference between MD and DAT
> > recordings.
>

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In a message dated 9/23/2002 1:45:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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> >Steve Rice said:
> >>Since it seems I'm in such good company, I'll chime in that I
> >>also dance Contact Improv.  Haven't played for a class yet,
> >>but I keep it in mind as I work on my music chops.
> >
> >oh, just try it, you will love it!
> >
> 
> Thanks, I'm sure I would.  I want to be sure they will love it
> too.  Also, I will probably need to hand the teacher a sample
> CD of my music, and that CD doesn't yet exist.
> 
> 

     Actually, just call the local dance dept, and get in touch with the 
music director. Tell him/her about yourself, and that you are interested in 
playing for classes. If you add that you are willing to sit-in (for free), 
there's a good chance they will ask you to come try it. There may also be a 
group of dancers in your locale that get together for Contact Improv. If you 
play for a dance class, ask some of the dancers about this too.
     Marc

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In a message dated 9/23/2002 1:45:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, srice44@yahoo.com writes:






>Steve Rice said:

>>Since it seems I'm in such good company, I'll chime in that I

>>also dance Contact Improv.  Haven't played for a class yet,

>>but I keep it in mind as I work on my music chops.

>

>oh, just try it, you will love it!

>



Thanks, I'm sure I would.  I want to be sure they will love it

too.  Also, I will probably need to hand the teacher a sample

CD of my music, and that CD doesn't yet exist.








     Actually, just call the local dance dept, and get in touch with the music director. Tell him/her about yourself, and that you are interested in playing for classes. If you add that you are willing to sit-in (for free), there's a good chance they will ask you to come try it. There may also be a group of dancers in your locale that get together for Contact Improv. If you play for a dance class, ask some of the dancers about this too.

     Marc

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www.midisoloutions.com

c
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> I was wondering if there are any "black boxes" on the market that will
> convert MIDI CC data to MIDI Program Change data.  Thanks!
> 
> 
> 

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In a message dated 9/23/02 9:48:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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> get together for Contact Improv

i have an idea but im not totally hip to this "CONTACT IMPROV" which we have 
been talking about for the past few days.....kinda like kims 
"omd's".....please help out an old guy that dont get out much!.....is ci with 
dancers only or is it bigger than that?.....and have no fear, with that 3/4 
2/4 1/4 16/95 time suff im completely out of that playground.....if it aint 
4/4 or 3/4  its a sin!!!!.....michael 

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get together for Contact Improv




i have an idea but im not totally hip to this "CONTACT IMPROV" which we have been talking about for the past few days.....kinda like kims "omd's".....please help out an old guy that dont get out much!.....is ci with dancers only or is it bigger than that?.....and have no fear, with that 3/4 2/4 1/4 16/95 time suff im completely out of that playground.....if it aint 4/4 or 3/4  its a sin!!!!.....michael 

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Thanks...just what I was looking for!

Clifford Novey wrote:

> www.midisoloutions.com
>
> c
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: 
> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 6:36 PM
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>
> > I was wondering if there are any "black boxes" on the market that will
> > convert MIDI CC data to MIDI Program Change data.  Thanks!
> >
> >
> >

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Hi--

I'm a novice at live looping-- used the sound on sound with my old
digitech rp10, but that's about it.  Can anyone tell me if they'd
recommend the Boss RC20 to someone like me?

I play electric violin-- my stuff is posted on http://www.ritsu.com
I want to try looping some rhythmic riffs, maybe 2 or 3 tracks, and
play a lead line over it.

Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks,

Ritsu

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I don't knok how the EDP works, but a Note On has a corresponding Note Off
message, which I assume is what makes it work. Control Change (sometimes
called Continuous Controller, as well) messages are single messages, so
this is probably why it doesn't work. Although, if the Loop III software
allowed, and the FCB 1010 would do it, you could have the FCB 1010 deliver
one CC message when you pressed the button, and a different one when you
released, but again, either of th devices might not be able to do this...
just my two cents... :)

peace
-cpr
>-- Original Message --
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>
>Oh, I'm using notes, as I'm using cc to control the Repeater.  Don't 
>know if that is posible.
>
>Mark
>
>On Monday, September 23, 2002, at 05:11  PM, Clifford Novey wrote:
>
>> Are you using notes or CC in your presets Mark? I am using CC and it

>> does
>> not seem to work- I am also not having any luck with cc 61 for reset-
>>
>> Cliff
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mark Sottilaro" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 5:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: FCB 1010 delete button
>>
>>
>>> Same thing.  Just hold it down longer.
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 23, 2002, at 03:05  PM, Dirkstrakhof@aol.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everybody,
>>>> I use the EDP Loop III and the FCB 1010. I?ve got each button on my
>>>> footpedal, but I can?t delete a loop. How does it work? On the EDP
it
>>>> is a
>>>> long press on the record button, and on the FCB 1010?
>>>> thanks
>>>> Dirk
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>


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Yo Cliff -

The "loop delete" (aka reset) thing is dependant on a long press of
Record, and I don't believe the Behringer will send momentary CC
commands (it would need to send a CC value of 0 on the pedal release). 
If you use note-ons to trigger the EDP, it should be cool, as it DOES
handle note data in a momentary fashion...

--Andre

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>The quality of the codec is much higher now
>and here, in Toronto, it's very easy to get discs.
>More and more of my friends use them too
>so it's easy to exchange discs with our music.
>A good portable DAT is better quality (you
>just have to think about how much room is
>left in the MD for the mic preamp) but the
>MD quality is still very good - and I know
>several people who have made very good
>CDs from master recordings on MD.
>Their size makes them good for spontaneous
>field recordings.
>
>Cheers,
>Scott M2

a portable HD recorder like the Jukebox should have the same quality 
as a DAT, if the converter is sufficiently good (I dont know), and 
its smaller and less sensitive to humidity and such, since the 
mechanics (the HD) is totally sealed. Its pretty small too, although 
not quite as small as an MD.

I think the quality of the MD depends more on the recording level and 
you tend to give a lot of headroom when field recording because the 
volume can change suddenly, so there the uncompressed audio certainly 
is an advantage.
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MaSo said:
>Maybe it's the performer in me, but I've always found most non 
>ambient music, especially music with lyrics, to be very distracting 
>during sex.  I want to be making the soundtrack, I guess.

good point!
So how do you make your soundtrack?
Since you play with your partner anyway, it easy and fun, no?
I found the AKASHAs experience interesting, but what I am really 
interested is to create the right music for home, discretely but 
truely.

I think it takes music that involves inconsciously, as ambient does, 
mostly, but with a dynamic that guides...
For me, lyrics are terrible, too. Moaning of someone else as they 
suggest on some "romantic" CDs even worse.
For a long time, I did not put any music either, but recently I 
remembered that the best experiences I had with music.
"Beats of Peace" of mine with David Hoppkins is pretty good.
A few years ago, it made a not totally young woman experience her 
first vaginal orgasm at all! Ok, there were other circumstances, but 
I could feel how the *music* carried us away.
My first reaction was to suggest to David to commercialize the 
product as such. He thought I was crazy. Now I must say, he is right, 
its delicate, it was a singular event, maybe the energy of the music 
rather flew through me to her... a lot more investigation would be 
necessary... so I pretty much forgot about it... until this fool moon 
coincides with the start of spring...

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>  >Steve Rice said:
>>>Since it seems I'm in such good company, I'll chime in that I
>>>also dance Contact Improv.  Haven't played for a class yet,
>>>but I keep it in mind as I work on my music chops.
>>
>>oh, just try it, you will love it!
>>
>
>Thanks, I'm sure I would.  I want to be sure they will love it
>too.  Also, I will probably need to hand the teacher a sample
>CD of my music, and that CD doesn't yet exist.

I would not recomment CD at all. They may have others that are just 
as good, but what you can offer reallly is the improv, so you better 
invite a couple and really do it.
I met two woman dancing at an artist meeting and naturally it happend 
and all liked it and they invited me... but it took 8 years for this 
coincidence!

>  >>One thing which I think will be possible with looping is to
>>>get up for a minute and dance will the looper plays away...
>>>Including the dancers in the music, putting the musician(s)
>>>into
>>>the dance, these things should be very possible with the
>  >>technology (nothing new of course).  This is part of my
>>>search for midi twiddlers.
>>
>>I dont quite understand this part... do you suggest that the
>>music is
>>built automatically by sensors controlled by the dancers?
>>Somehow I doubt this will turn out nice, and I dont see the
>>necessity
>>since there are some many loopers that want to play...
>
>I have in mind one parameter on one Repeater track or in the
>effects processor.  Everything else would be played and
>controlled by me.  The parameter could be pitch of one
>supporting instrument, or LFO speed somewhere. This could be
>done with a single midi cc controller.  From what I've found so
>far, I can buy a MidiSolutions brand gizmo into which a
>potentiometer can be plugged, and which will transmit
>programmable cc commands.

I see, and what would be the sensor/movement that controls this parameter?

>  >>Apparently there is some correlation between people who loop
>>>and improvisational dancers.  Both are very free-form, with
>>>some structure to follow, and break when needed.
>>
>>right, a joint art form...
>
>I've played(in ensemble) for African and Middle Eastern
>dancers,
>and there is absolutely nothing better than when musicians and
>dancers perform in sync.  (At least outside the "Adult"
>thread in this forum ;-) Such parallels.)  They dance what you
>play, you play what they dance...
>
>Perhaps next year will be the first Looping and Improvisational
>Dance Festival!  And if AKASH plays, we can double our
>audience!!!

that could be really nice...
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>
>Last semester, I did a single class again as an experiment to try to 
>build chops with my new EDP and guitar synth/drum machine set up...
>
>It was pretty bad... I could not keep up with tempo changes and the 
>teacher kept stopping and starting before I could get things 
>going...Sometimes the teacher would count off at a tempo where I 
>would start my loop and then immediately (unconsciously) rush the 
>beat when the dancers started...Playing a drum you can flow with 
>those insconsistencies...my EDP chops were not tight enough to nail 
>most of it...

Yes, I never felt the lack of speed adaption as strongly as in those 
dance sessions. We just naturally want to speed up and down.
But you can change quickly with Record-Multiply, if your loop is 
simple enough. The resulting rhythm may be temporarily strange, but 
you fix that quickly.

>I could see how you could blend some looping in with a lot of live 
>stuff, but to do it totally with looping would be a trick.

dont quite understand... is that what I call "to switch the loop off" ? :-)

>Maybe there is some software for laptop looping that lets you change 
>tempos on the fly?
>
LIVE
but you cannot load the loops quickly enough, probably...

The solution would rather be the Repeater, although I dont know 
whether the speed adaption would happen as exactly as we would like, 
since turning on the speed knob is probably not appropriate and retap 
a new speed woud change too quickly...
Repeater users: Can you keep taping tempo and it follows smoothly?
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The strangest but most memorable mood music I ended up (inadvertently) using 
was Charlie Haden and Hank Jones 'Steal Away-Sprituals, Hymns, and Folk 
Songs'.
-does this mean I'm going to Hell?  -Todd

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The strangest but most memorable mood music I ended up (inadvertently) using was Charlie Haden and Hank Jones 'Steal Away-Sprituals, Hymns, and Folk Songs'.

-does this mean I'm going to Hell?  -Todd

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>I'm a bass player trying to get into solo bass and looping and 
>things like that but my current multieffects unit (Korg Ax1000G) 
>only has 8 seconds of looping time which isn't really that useful.
>I like guitar effects on bass most work very well so thats not an issue.
>I understand that this pedal has a built in 8 track recorder and/or 
>the jamman looper would this unit make a good all in one looper. I 
>was thinking of gettinga dl4 and a rc20 which in the end will end up 
>with me doing a little dance on stage to mess with all the other 
>effects processors where as the digitech would allow me to 
>loop/record and use effects wouldn't it?
>
>Any one have any experiance with this unit, or know where I can read 
>some good reviews
>Thanks in advance.

It seems little handy to have all this functionality on the floor, no?
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I could see how you could blend some looping in with a lot of live 
>stuff, but to do it totally with looping would be a trick.

dont quite understand... is that what I call "to switch the loop off" ? 
:-)
----
I was thinking just to play the classes in the old fashioned live approach (no looping), and occasionally throw in some simple looping when the class is getting into a groove for a while...(otherwise I would get frustrated when the teacher stopped every 30 seconds!)

Matthias, your EDP chops are superior to where you should be able to pull off a lot..I just kept stumbling over myself, but I could immediately see how setting up a simple backbeat loop, etc could be really helpful...

So is there a good Live PC laptop looping program that would let you change tempos on the fly, anyone?

 



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I could see how you could blend some looping in with a lot of live 
>stuff, but to do it totally with looping would be a trick.

dont quite understand... is that what I call "to switch the loop off" ? 
:-)
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I was thinking just to play the classes in the old fashioned live approach (no looping), and occasionally throw in some simple looping when the class is getting into a groove for a while...(otherwise I would get frustrated when the teacher stopped every 30 seconds!)


Matthias, your EDP chops are superior to where you should be able to pull off a lot..I just kept stumbling over myself, but I could immediately see how setting up a simple backbeat loop, etc could be really helpful...


So is there a good Live PC laptop looping program that would let you change tempos on the fly, anyone?


 

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Notes seem to work fine- and programming all with my feet is quite easy
with this unit once you grasp the architecture- I have 1 bank set so
far: Rec, OD, Mult, Ins, Mute, Undo, Next, speed, rev, and Parameter
(which I have found myself using live quite a lot!)

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Yo Cliff -

The "loop delete" (aka reset) thing is dependant on a long press of
Record, and I don't believe the Behringer will send momentary CC
commands (it would need to send a CC value of 0 on the pedal release). 
If you use note-ons to trigger the EDP, it should be cool, as it DOES
handle note data in a momentary fashion...

--Andre



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> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Från: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] 

> The solution would rather be the Repeater, although I dont know 
> whether the speed adaption would happen as exactly as we would like, 
> since turning on the speed knob is probably not appropriate and retap 
> a new speed woud change too quickly...
> Repeater users: Can you keep taping tempo and it follows smoothly?


I find the tapping the Repeater hard to perform while playing as the tap
function is too exact for my sloppy foot tapping. When I was playing a
repeater gig last Saturday (live-sampling two Theremin players) I
operated it with my hands but even then the tempo changed too much with
each of my taps.

However I know a method for tempo changing that works fine for me. That
is slaving Repeater to the EDP. Then I can slam anything into the EDP
and end it with "Rec" to cut the loop for a new tempo. And the repeater
catches up with a very nice, IMO, accelerando/ritardando. If you do
dance classes you could as well have the Repeater preloaded with
material. You don't even have to record anything into the EDP, if it
gets tough. Just record silence to kick the repeater into the new tempo,
and then start adding stuff into the EDP.

Best wishes

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It's easy: use notes in the EDP (midi control source). Source to 36.  In the 
footpedal 38 for record, the long press will delete the loop.
Thanks everybody
Dirk

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In a message dated 9/23/2002 10:24:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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> i have an idea but im not totally hip to this "CONTACT IMPROV" which we have 
> been talking about for the past few days.....kinda like kims 
> "omd's".....please help out an old guy that dont get out much!.....is ci 
> with dancers only or is it bigger than that?.....and have no fear, with 
> that 3/4 2/4 1/4 16/95 time suff im completely out of that 
> playground.....if it aint 4/4 or 3/4  its a sin!!!!.....michael 

     Oh, but it's a sin to limit yourself to 4/4 & 3/4 ;-). Actually it's not 
very hard to play odd meters or mixed meters. The only thing to do is to get 
familar with them. The music of many other cultures is full of odd meter 
structures. For some reason people in the US just haven't been dancing in 
7/4, or 5/8 (unless of course you are a professional dancer). Odd meters, and 
even a little mixed meter has made it into Pop over the years (Peter 
Gabriel's Salisbury Hill - 7/4, the intro to the Allman Bros Whipping Post - 
11/8, etc., etc., etc.).
     In dance, Contact Improv is really focused on a lot of, well, contact 
and weight sharing. For the dancer, it actually takes a lot of practice and 
trust. You have to learn how to safely give your weight to another person 
without overwhelming them or possibly injuring them. You also have be to 
prepared to take the weight of another dancer at any time. I guess you could 
say that the experienced dancer develops a certain sixth-sense about it. I 
will say that I am not a dancer. While I have seen a lot of Contact Improv, 
and I have done some dance improv, I haven't really done Contact Improv. So, 
someone that has more personnal experience with it can give you more details. 
Dance Improv tends to be more theatrical, while Contact Improv tends to have 
more of a spiritual flow to it. 
     It's one thing to improvise with other musicians. It's a totally 
different thing to add dancers into it. I guess you could say that when the 
dancers get added it's like putting on 3D glasses.
     Marc  

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i have an idea but im not totally hip to this "CONTACT IMPROV" which we have been talking about for the past few days.....kinda like kims "omd's".....please help out an old guy that dont get out much!.....is ci with dancers only or is it bigger than that?.....and have no fear, with that 3/4 2/4 1/4 16/95 time suff im completely out of that playground.....if it aint 4/4 or 3/4  its a sin!!!!.....michael 




     Oh, but it's a sin to limit yourself to 4/4 & 3/4 ;-). Actually it's not very hard to play odd meters or mixed meters. The only thing to do is to get familar with them. The music of many other cultures is full of odd meter structures. For some reason people in the US just haven't been dancing in 7/4, or 5/8 (unless of course you are a professional dancer). Odd meters, and even a little mixed meter has made it into Pop over the years (Peter Gabriel's Salisbury Hill - 7/4, the intro to the Allman Bros Whipping Post - 11/8, etc., etc., etc.).

     In dance, Contact Improv is really focused on a lot of, well, contact and weight sharing. For the dancer, it actually takes a lot of practice and trust. You have to learn how to safely give your weight to another person without overwhelming them or possibly injuring them. You also have be to prepared to take the weight of another dancer at any time. I guess you could say that the experienced dancer develops a certain sixth-sense about it. I will say that I am not a dancer. While I have seen a lot of Contact Improv, and I have done some dance improv, I haven't really done Contact Improv. So, someone that has more personnal experience with it can give you more details. Dance Improv tends to be more theatrical, while Contact Improv tends to have more of a spiritual flow to it. 

     It's one thing to improvise with other musicians. It's a totally different thing to add dancers into it. I guess you could say that when the dancers get added it's like putting on 3D glasses.

     Marc  

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In a message dated 9/24/02 9:01:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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> 
>      In dance, Contact Improv is really focused on a lot of, well, contact 
> and weight sharing

thanks marc.....someone sees me skippin across the floor they 
run!.....michael

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     In dance, Contact Improv is really focused on a lot of, well, contact and weight sharing




thanks marc.....someone sees me skippin across the floor they run!.....michael

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> hi everybody - i'm looking for some advice
> 
> i'd like to use a small hardware sequencer to control my Repeater
> 
> it must be able to output Program Change and Control Change messages,
> which i'd like to be able to program in as a sequence and then loop
> 
> i've seen the Alesis MMT-8, but it doesn't look as if you can program MIDI
> info into it - only record MIDI from another source - and i had a look at
> the Peavey PC-1600, but it's a bit big and complicated for what i need.
> 
> anybody have any other suggestions?
> 
> many thanks
> 
> sim


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This portable CD recorder is on my wish list.

http://www.superscope-marantzpro.com/Superscope/PSD300.htm

Check out these mics. I'm going to get a pair of the large diaphram handheld mics.
Not stereo, but a great deal.

http://www.Superlux.US/


cheers,
Henry

Mark Sottilaro wrote:
> 
> Hey kids,
> 
> After seeing Matt D's amazing found object set, my wife started talking
> about using field recordings in her music.  I figure a MD
> player/recorder would be the way to go, but which one?  What's the best
> model currently made?  Do they all have mic inputs?  CNET didn't seem
> to mention this feature on any of them.  A recommendation for a decent
> stereo mic would be useful too.
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Mark Sottilaro

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  Matthias, if  you would like to investigate creating a sort of sound
track for yourself, one excercise which might be worth while would be to
open to the mood or emotion you have in mind, and then think of all of it's
aspects, touch, taste, scent, sight, and sound.   How does it make you
feel?   think of all of the aspects you can of that feeling.  As far as
music, how would it sound, if it could sound like anything?   What
instruments would be used?   Would it just be a human sound?   Would there
be chords?  -scales?   melody?   Harmony?  Would the pitch or pitches be
high?   low?   both?  Would the quality and timbre of the sound or sounds
be something you are already familiar with?, or something you can only hear
in your mind and heart for the moment?  Would there be a perceivable
rhythm?   Would it be fast?  -slow?  or  arhythmic?  -more like a
soundscape?  


  Also, do you see pictures or colors?     -Would they have a sound?  If
they do, what would they sound like if they could sound like anything?...
You might also try thinking of other senses in this context as well, scent,
touch, taste...  
     
  Thinking of these ideas might help to bring your perception into a
tangible form.  

  Have a great day!...  

Smiles,

CQ

  At 02:32 AM 9/24/02 -0300, you wrote:
>MaSo said:
>>Maybe it's the performer in me, but I've always found most non 
>>ambient music, especially music with lyrics, to be very distracting 
>>during sex.  I want to be making the soundtrack, I guess.
>
>good point!
>So how do you make your soundtrack?
>Since you play with your partner anyway, it easy and fun, no?
>I found the AKASHAs experience interesting, but what I am really 
>interested is to create the right music for home, discretely but 
>truely.
>
>I think it takes music that involves inconsciously, as ambient does, 
>mostly, but with a dynamic that guides...
>For me, lyrics are terrible, too. Moaning of someone else as they 
>suggest on some "romantic" CDs even worse.
>For a long time, I did not put any music either, but recently I 
>remembered that the best experiences I had with music.
>"Beats of Peace" of mine with David Hoppkins is pretty good.
>A few years ago, it made a not totally young woman experience her 
>first vaginal orgasm at all! Ok, there were other circumstances, but 
>I could feel how the *music* carried us away.
>My first reaction was to suggest to David to commercialize the 
>product as such. He thought I was crazy. Now I must say, he is right, 
>its delicate, it was a singular event, maybe the energy of the music 
>rather flew through me to her... a lot more investigation would be 
>necessary... so I pretty much forgot about it... until this fool moon 
>coincides with the start of spring...
>
>-- 
>
>
>          ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
>
>


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   I can move smoothly up and down tempos with the Repeater.   I use midi
clock mostly though, but it does tend to glide from tempo to tempo using
the tap feature as well.   

Smiles,

CQ

At 02:32 AM 9/24/02 -0300, you wrote:
>>
>>Last semester, I did a single class again as an experiment to try to 
>>build chops with my new EDP and guitar synth/drum machine set up...
>>
>>It was pretty bad... I could not keep up with tempo changes and the 
>>teacher kept stopping and starting before I could get things 
>>going...Sometimes the teacher would count off at a tempo where I 
>>would start my loop and then immediately (unconsciously) rush the 
>>beat when the dancers started...Playing a drum you can flow with 
>>those insconsistencies...my EDP chops were not tight enough to nail 
>>most of it...
>
>Yes, I never felt the lack of speed adaption as strongly as in those 
>dance sessions. We just naturally want to speed up and down.
>But you can change quickly with Record-Multiply, if your loop is 
>simple enough. The resulting rhythm may be temporarily strange, but 
>you fix that quickly.
>
>>I could see how you could blend some looping in with a lot of live 
>>stuff, but to do it totally with looping would be a trick.
>
>dont quite understand... is that what I call "to switch the loop off" ? :-)
>
>>Maybe there is some software for laptop looping that lets you change 
>>tempos on the fly?
>>
>LIVE
>but you cannot load the loops quickly enough, probably...
>
>The solution would rather be the Repeater, although I dont know 
>whether the speed adaption would happen as exactly as we would like, 
>since turning on the speed knob is probably not appropriate and retap 
>a new speed woud change too quickly...
>Repeater users: Can you keep taping tempo and it follows smoothly?
>-- 
>
>
>          ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
>
>


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  You can program midi messages with the MMT-8, but it's not necessarily
the easiest and most intuitive process in the world.   lol!   I certainly
wouldn't want to try it live.   
  I use the MC-505 which is neither small nor simple, but is incredibly
intuitive and powerful, with many  live-oriented features including the
ability to go in and out of record mode on the fly while playing a sequence
live.  I just used this feature the other day during a rehearsal to develop
a loop by changing it's pitch with a sequenced pattern which I recorded
live as a developing midi loop, to create a very cool groove.  It's way
awesome!     
  anyway, I can't recomend this high enough, since though it's quite
complex, it's also extremely easy to use once you understand it's
architecture.  It's alot more than a sequencer, but the sequencer section
is very friendly.  

  Have a nice day!...   

Smiles,

CQ

At 04:12 PM 9/24/02 +0100, you wrote:
>> hi everybody - i'm looking for some advice
>> 
>> i'd like to use a small hardware sequencer to control my Repeater
>> 
>> it must be able to output Program Change and Control Change messages,
>> which i'd like to be able to program in as a sequence and then loop
>> 
>> i've seen the Alesis MMT-8, but it doesn't look as if you can program MIDI
>> info into it - only record MIDI from another source - and i had a look at
>> the Peavey PC-1600, but it's a bit big and complicated for what i need.
>> 
>> anybody have any other suggestions?
>> 
>> many thanks
>> 
>> sim
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There are 3 Yamaha QX21 sequencers on Ebay right now....
I own the QX21 and the QX5, its bigger brother.  But have
been out of production a long time, but are very capable of
handling your needs.  The QX21 only has 2 tracks with one
extra "swap" buffer track.  The QX5 has 8 tracks with a bunch
of swap tracks.  'Course, both will handle all 16 MIDI channels
and allow bouncing, etc.  I know the QX5 has a step entry mode
for entering data...  I'm not sure about the QX21 -- I've loaned
it to a friend.....but I think it does.  The QX21, though not nearly
as capable as the QX5, does have a jog wheel for tempo.
Both can be Master or Slave in a MIDI system.
If you can get one of these guys cheap, I'd go fer it......

By the way...I emailed one of the QX21 sellers on Ebay to
correct him regarding his description of the product.  He claims
it to have 8 tracks whereas I know for a fact it has the 2 plus buffer.
....Got to keep these guys honest...!
(yeah, like he's going to change his copy !...get real, Gary)
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Simeon Harris wrote:

> > hi everybody - i'm looking for some advice
> >
> > i'd like to use a small hardware sequencer to control my Repeater
> >
> > it must be able to output Program Change and Control Change messages,
> > which i'd like to be able to program in as a sequence and then loop
> >
> > i've seen the Alesis MMT-8, but it doesn't look as if you can program MIDI
> > info into it - only record MIDI from another source - and i had a look at
> > the Peavey PC-1600, but it's a bit big and complicated for what i need.
> >
> > anybody have any other suggestions?
> >
> > many thanks
> >
> > sim
>
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On Sunday, September 22, 2002, at 03:53 AM, Mark Sottilaro wrote:

> After seeing Matt D's amazing found object set, my wife started talking 
> about using field recordings in her music.  I figure a MD 
> player/recorder would be the way to go, but which one?  What's the best 
> model currently made?  Do they all have mic inputs?  CNET didn't seem 
> to mention this feature on any of them.  A recommendation for a decent 
> stereo mic would be useful too.

I've been away for a week, so have some catching up to do. Re: minidisc 
recorders, I basically use anything that I can get hold of. Using them 
in hot/cold/damp/dusty climates certainly reduces their life - so I'm 
not sure if I would purchase a hugely expensive one if I were you. I 
currently have an old Sony MZR35 (I think thats the model number) and 
use a brand new Sony ECM-MS907 stereo condenser mic to record live 
ambience. The mic cost about 100$ new in France, and I've been pretty 
happy with the results. They do a bigger model at about double the 
price, but I have not had the chance to get my hands on one yet.

IMHO, I think minidiscs are minidiscs are minidiscs. I have tried cheap 
models and expensive models in my time, and apart from size/battery 
benefits of the top of the range models, the actual sound quality is not 
noticable between the models. They all (to my knowledge) have mic 
inputs, and most have digital in, but only the top of the range have 
digital out.

If you want to hear what my setup sounds like, I have a load of mp3's 
that I've just uploaded to my site (check todays news section) from the 
Paris Plage sessions. There are 3 listed there now, but I'm going to 
upload another 2 or 3 later today. The sound quality is a bit crap, but 
that was due to bad mic positioning and also a crappy overloaded Crate 
Acoustic amp - but you can hear the stereo ambience of 
people/bikes/rollerbladers going past.... as well as the audience...


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Contact Improvision is a free-form dance method where two
(or more) people are in constant contact with each other.
The "point of contact" can be anywhere on the body, eg
arm against neck, hip to back, etc.  A large part of the
practice is to keep this point(s) flowing between the
dancers organically.  Breaking the bounds between 
leading and following, upright and floor work, and
generally ignoring gravity also are standard.

Traditional, "pure" Contact is done without any music
at all, the idea being that music would cause the
dancers to move with it instead of each other.  A very
high degree of synchronisation and feedback is 
essential for Contact to work.

The compromise between silent Contact Improv and a
musically lead dance is to play such that the dancers
do not entrain with you.  This might mean playing
without a compelling rhythm, or shifting rhythms, and
so on.  Definitely ambient and not attention-getting.

In a community dance class or jam there is much more
likely to be music, and for it to be "danceable" since
the non-purist enthusists prefer this.  This is the
environment in which I'd like to play.  I'm a bit in
awe of the gentlemen describing their experiences
accompanying academic dance classes, which sound more
like modern dance than any Contact I've seen.  Not my
goal though.


For midi input from the dancers or myself as I dance,
I have the fairly simple idea of putting a potentiometer
in some hand-held wrapper(how about a Nerf ball!) and using
the MidiSolutions pedal-to-cc gizmo to tweak the looper or
effects processor.  This would require only the midi
converter box, pot, and some wire to do(I think.  Maybe
also a six-pack to bribe some local electrical engineer.
JW, what's your favorite brew? ;-)  )  This would
definitely _not_ be traditional Contact, but lots of fun!

Yours in rhythm,
Steve



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> Just got the FCB1010 and after assigning ExpA to Feedback control it
>  only works over a very short range of the pedal- I tried reversing the
>  Min and Max values to no avail- any ideas? Also- has anyone created a
>  sysex dump of their FCB1010 to control EDP and/or Repeater they could
>  send me? Thanks- 
>

Hi Cliff
a guy called Bruce had the exact same problem, 
Get you sorted in about 5mins. :-)

andy



OK Bruce, sounds like you're pedals need recalibrating.
So here's the recalibration procedure, it's not on the Behringer site.

I found it best to use "not quite" the full range of the pedal when
calibrating, as following the instructions exactly
can  give you a slightly reduced range. 


Behringer FCB1010 POST/recalibration HOWTO
The original text is from Behringer support, posted to uk.music.guitar on 
11th Dec 2001. I (Mike) have edited it a bit for clarity. 
Keep footswitches 1 and 3 pressed while switching on the unit (This bit you 
can't do standing up!). Release the switches when the display blanks. The 
LEDs on the footswitches, the ones on the display and each segment of the two 
numeric displays will turn on and off in sequence. 
Wait untill all footswitch LEDs are on. Depress all footswitches one at a 
time, including UP and DOWN, untill all LEDs are off. 
Wait untill relay switch test is finished. (There will be a couple of 
mechanical clicks, and the display will end up reading "F1" (at least, it did 
on mine)). [Also, if you have connected a MIDI cable between the MIDI in and 
out, the display will show "A1" before this, meaning the midi ports work 
correctly.] 
Press DOWN once. 
Adjust the left expression pedal (A) to the lowest value. Once adjusted press 
UP. 
Adjust the left expression pedal (A) to the highest value. Once adjusted 
press UP. 
Adjust the right expression pedal (B) to the lowest value. Once adjusted 
press UP. 
Adjust the right expression pedal (B) to the highest value. Once adjusted 
press UP. 
Select a patch which has both pedals set to their full range, and check the 
expression pedals now send 0-127 (0x00-0x7F)   

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In a message dated 9/24/2002 3:08:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
srice44@yahoo.com writes:

....edited....
> In a community dance class or jam there is much more
> likely to be music, and for it to be "danceable" since
> the non-purist enthusists prefer this.  This is the
> environment in which I'd like to play.  I'm a bit in
> awe of the gentlemen describing their experiences
> accompanying academic dance classes, which sound more
> like modern dance than any Contact I've seen.  Not my
> goal though.
> 
     Excellent description of contact Steve! You are also very right in your 
perception. When I play for an Improv class, it is Dance Improv, not Contact 
Improv. Dance Improv is mostly a class for 1st year dance students and 
theater students, and does use live music. Improv is also incorporated into 
technique classes of all levels. Contact Improv is a class for advanced 
students, and is in silence mostly. However, I have seen a lot of Contact 
Improv with recorded music.
     If you are on the East Coast of the US, there is an annual Contact Jam 
coming up soon (In October I believe). In the past, this has been held in 
W.VA. The music director for VCU Dance usually attends this Contact Jam (as a 
dancer - not as a musician). I will ask him about it, and mention that there 
has been talk about this on Loopers Delight. If anyone on this list is near 
Richmond, VA., and is interested on sitting-in on a Modern Dance Class, send 
me an email (RandomLFO@aol.com).
     Hey Ed Drake, I know that your days are pretty full with teaching and 
the kids, but if you have a free day, bring the EDP, Repeater, and Jamman to 
the Dance Dept. 

 
> For midi input from the dancers or myself as I dance,
> I have the fairly simple idea of putting a potentiometer
> in some hand-held wrapper(how about a Nerf ball!) and using
> the MidiSolutions pedal-to-cc gizmo to tweak the looper or
> effects processor.  This would require only the midi
> converter box, pot, and some wire to do(I think.  Maybe
> also a six-pack to bribe some local electrical engineer.
> JW, what's your favorite brew? ;-)  )  This would
> definitely _not_ be traditional Contact, but lots of fun!
> 

     I remember seeing an article in Electronic Musician some years ago about 
a band Named D'Cuckoo (please excuse spelling). They had a large ball that 
they called the MIDI Ball. It was wired with MIDI sensors and was thrown out 
to the crowd. Each time the crowd hit back up into the air they would trigger 
various MIDI events. That would be very interesting to have at a Contact Jam.
     Marc

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In a message dated 9/24/2002 3:08:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, srice44@yahoo.com writes:



....edited....


In a community dance class or jam there is much more

likely to be music, and for it to be "danceable" since

the non-purist enthusists prefer this.  This is the

environment in which I'd like to play.  I'm a bit in

awe of the gentlemen describing their experiences

accompanying academic dance classes, which sound more

like modern dance than any Contact I've seen.  Not my

goal though.




     Excellent description of contact Steve! You are also very right in your perception. When I play for an Improv class, it is Dance Improv, not Contact Improv. Dance Improv is mostly a class for 1st year dance students and theater students, and does use live music. Improv is also incorporated into technique classes of all levels. Contact Improv is a class for advanced students, and is in silence mostly. However, I have seen a lot of Contact Improv with recorded music.

     If you are on the East Coast of the US, there is an annual Contact Jam coming up soon (In October I believe). In the past, this has been held in W.VA. The music director for VCU Dance usually attends this Contact Jam (as a dancer - not as a musician). I will ask him about it, and mention that there has been talk about this on Loopers Delight. If anyone on this list is near Richmond, VA., and is interested on sitting-in on a Modern Dance Class, send me an email (RandomLFO@aol.com).

     Hey Ed Drake, I know that your days are pretty full with teaching and the kids, but if you have a free day, bring the EDP, Repeater, and Jamman to the Dance Dept. 



 


For midi input from the dancers or myself as I dance,

I have the fairly simple idea of putting a potentiometer

in some hand-held wrapper(how about a Nerf ball!) and using

the MidiSolutions pedal-to-cc gizmo to tweak the looper or

effects processor.  This would require only the midi

converter box, pot, and some wire to do(I think.  Maybe

also a six-pack to bribe some local electrical engineer.

JW, what's your favorite brew? ;-)  )  This would

definitely _not_ be traditional Contact, but lots of fun!






     I remember seeing an article in Electronic Musician some years ago about a band Named D'Cuckoo (please excuse spelling). They had a large ball that they called the MIDI Ball. It was wired with MIDI sensors and was thrown out to the crowd. Each time the crowd hit back up into the air they would trigger various MIDI events. That would be very interesting to have at a Contact Jam.

     Marc

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am 24.09.2002 7:32 Uhr schrieb Matthias Grob unter matthias@grob.org:

>> The quality of the codec is much higher now
>> and here, in Toronto, it's very easy to get discs.
>> More and more of my friends use them too
>> so it's easy to exchange discs with our music.
>> A good portable DAT is better quality (you
>> just have to think about how much room is
>> left in the MD for the mic preamp) but the
>> MD quality is still very good - and I know
>> several people who have made very good
>> CDs from master recordings on MD.
>> Their size makes them good for spontaneous
>> field recordings.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Scott M2
> 
> a portable HD recorder like the Jukebox should have the same quality
> as a DAT, if the converter is sufficiently good (I dont know), and
> its smaller and less sensitive to humidity and such, since the
> mechanics (the HD) is totally sealed. Its pretty small too, although
> not quite as small as an MD.
> 
> I think the quality of the MD depends more on the recording level and
> you tend to give a lot of headroom when field recording because the
> volume can change suddenly, so there the uncompressed audio certainly
> is an advantage.
I´d like to know, what´s the diffrence between the compression in MD and
mp3-players. Same with the AD-converter in MD,DAT and mp3. I read that the
Archos Jukebox had better quality than most other mp3-recorder. Has someone
Experience with it? Also: Is the something like a Sampling-Rate(16 bit) in
mp3-machines?
Carsten

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In a message dated 9/24/02 3:08:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
srice44@yahoo.com writes:


> Contact Improvision is a free-form dance method where two
> (or more) people are in constant contact with each other.
> 

very cool.....thanks steve.....michael

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Contact Improvision is a free-form dance method where two

(or more) people are in constant contact with each other.






very cool.....thanks steve.....michael


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I have a gig coming up as a member of "Palace of Love". It's unclear if there will be any looping involved, but several members have confessed to looping in the past.


Saturday, October 19, 2002
Great American Music Hall

Triple Bill:

Mike Keneally Band 

Palace Of Love 

Telepathy 


This incarnation of Palace Of Love is:
   Chris Cutler - drums
   Henry Kaiser - guitar
  Mike Keneally - keys
   Lukas Ligeti - drums
Michael Manring - electric bass
     Chris Muir - guitar
    Damon Smith - acoustic bass

Checkout the Palace of Love website for links to bio's:


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>I have a gig coming up as a member of "Palace of Love". It's unclear if
>there will be any looping involved, but several members have confessed to
>looping in the past.
>
>
>Saturday, October 19, 2002
>Great American Music Hall

The one in Peoria?  St. Louis?   Padukah?  Takoma?  WHERE??


(Some day I'll see Mike Keneally, honest!)
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> >I have a gig coming up as a member of "Palace of Love". It's unclear if
> >there will be any looping involved, but several members have confessed to
> >looping in the past.
> >
> >
> >Saturday, October 19, 2002
> >Great American Music Hall
>
> The one in Peoria?  St. Louis?   Padukah?  Takoma?  WHERE??

I wage a guess. San Francisco?


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Tomorrow - SIL2K, transAtlantic iceFloe and Spaceboat.TV are opening
ConWorks' music series, Second Coming.  Doors at 7:30, music at 8:00, ALL
AGES.

SIL2K
presents
opening the Second Coming music series
Return of the Night of Games
featuring the SIL2K Ensemble and Spaceboat.TV
with James Drage (video art)
pieces by Stuart McLeod, James Drage, Carl Farrow, Sean Osborn and Brian En=
o
and a special performance by transAlantic iceFloe

Wednesday September 25, 2002	  7:30PM
At Consolidated Works  500 Boren Ave N
$5 for the public / $2 for members  All Ages

Two years after the highly successful Night of Games at Consolidated Works,=

Strategic Improv Labs (SIL2K) returns to ConWorks in its new location to
open its music series Second Coming. http://conworks.org/music/index.php3

Return of the Night of Games feature six interactive works specially writte=
n
for this event. Carl Farrow's Drag: High-octane music racing with random
crashes! Sean Osborn's Graphic Piece: A distillation of previous SIL2K
pieces - boiling the graphic ideas down to the basic essentials. Stuart
McLeod's Alchemy: There is Alchemy in the transposition of sound blocks fro=
m
one set of musicians to another. Add two unlike things to get a third. Jame=
s
Drage's Grideo: Explores the relationship of visual location and motion to
music, with the role of a videographer as the conductor of the piece. Brian=

Eno's Oblique Strategies:  Originally created as a tool for breaking throug=
h
creative blocks, Brian Eno's Oblique Strategies has been retooled as
inspiration for live video and musical improvisation. Carl Farrow's Sign
Shop: A complex system of gestures allowing musicians to create new signals=

and send messages secretly to team members.

The SIL2K Ensemble is a Seattle-based collective dedicated to the research
and development of improvisation strategies for music.  SIL2K uses a variet=
y
of instrumentation, including but not limited to traditional acoustic
instruments, found-object percussion, turntable manipulation, experimental
vocalization and electronic gadgetry.  Performances are cross-disciplinary
explorations that often incorporate elements of dance, film and poetry.  Th=
e
SIL2K Ensemble has played at EMP, Consolidated Works, Seattle, Portland and=

Bellevue Art Museums, at clubs in Seattle and Portland such as I-Spy, OK
Hotel, Rainbow and Medicine Hat, on KEXP's Sonarchy Radio, in the Seattle
Public Schools, aboard the Kalakala and even in the Metro tunnel.
http://www.sil2k.org

Spaceboat.TV is a Seattle-based new-media team devoted to the exploration o=
f
digital culture. Spaceboat.TV specializes in the production of advanced
streaming content, and the design of new-style theatrical shows for the
digital generation. 	

"I was watching [the audience] watch the screen and they were hypnotized."
-DJ Spooky

"No one knows what Spaceboat.TV is, not even Spaceboat.TV. People generally=

agree however, that whatever it is (some kind of hyper-original multimedia
m=E9lange that combines technology and performance, music and video, art an=
d
craft), it's pretty $%@#'in spectacular, and clearly, must be seen not just=

to be believed, but even to be described. Featuring a heavenly host of loca=
l
talent and more fancy electronic gear than you can even imagine." 
-Sean Nelson, The Stranger

The evening will end with a special performance by transAtlantic iceFloe,
that method-core, instrumental rock band formed by members of the SIL2K
Ensemble.  transAtlantic iceFloe is: Robert Henson - Guitar, Kevin Goldsmit=
h
- Bass, Stuart McLeod - Drums.  transAtlantic iceFloe has been performing
regularly in Seattle at venues such as I-Spy, the ReBar, the Sunset Tavern,=

The Rainbow, The Sky Church at EMP and at The Capitol Theater in Olympia.
transAtlantic iceFloe has been described as "music designed for
reprogramming and breaking wills". They have been favorably compared to The=

Swans, Mogwai, Godspeed You Black Emperor and Radiohead.




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Wed 9/25 SIL2K opens ConWorks music series







Tomorrow - SIL2K, transAtlantic iceFloe and Spaceboat.TV are opening ConWorks' music series, Second Coming.  Doors at 7:30, music at 8:00, ALL AGES.



SIL2K



presents



opening the Second Coming music series



Return of the Night of Games



featuring the SIL2K Ensemble and Spaceboat.TV



with James Drage (video art)



pieces by Stuart McLeod, James Drage, Carl Farrow, Sean Osborn and Brian Eno



and a special performance by transAlantic iceFloe



Wednesday September 25, 2002      7:30PM



At Consolidated Works  500 Boren Ave N



$5 for the public / $2 for members  All Ages



Two years after the highly successful Night of Games at Consolidated Works, Strategic Improv Labs (SIL2K) returns to ConWorks in its new location to open its music series Second Coming. http://conworks.org/music/index.php3



Return of the Night of Games feature six interactive works specially written for this event. Carl Farrow's Drag: High-octane music racing with random crashes! Sean Osborn's Graphic Piece: A distillation of previous SIL2K pieces - boiling the graphic ideas down to the basic essentials. Stuart McLeod's Alchemy: There is Alchemy!
 in the transposition of sound blocks from one set of musicians to another. Add two unlike things to get a third. James Drage's Grideo: Explores the relationship of visual location and motion to music, with the role of a videographer as the conductor of the piece. Brian Eno's Oblique Strategies:  Originally created as a tool for breaking through creative blocks, Brian Eno's Oblique Strategies has been retooled as inspiration for live video and musical improvisation. Carl Farrow's Sign Shop: A complex system of gestures allowing musicians to create new signals and send messages secretly to team members.



The SIL2K Ensemble is a Seattle-based collective dedicated to the research and development of improvisation strategies for music.  SIL2K uses a variety of instrumentation, including but not limited to traditional acoustic instruments, found-object percussion, turntable manipulation, experimental vocalization and electronic gadgetry.  Performances are cross-disciplinary explorations that often incorporate elements of dance, film and poetry.  The SIL2K Ensemble has played at EMP, Consolidated Works, Seattle, Portland and Bellevue Art Museums, at clubs in Seattle and Portland such as I-Spy, OK Hotel, Rainbow a!
nd Medicine Hat, on KEXP's Sonarchy Radio, in the Seattle Public Schools, aboard the Kalakala and even in the Metro tunnel.



http://www.sil2k.org




Spaceboat.TV is a Seattle-based new-media team devoted to the exploration of digital culture. Spaceboat.TV specializes in the production of advanced streaming content, and the design of new-style theatrical shows for the digital generation.        <http://www.spaceboat.tv/>



"I was watching [the audience] watch the screen and they were hypnotized."

-DJ Spooky



"No one knows what Spaceboat.TV is, not even Spaceboat.TV. People generally agree however, that whatever it is (some kind of hyper-original multimedia mélange that combines technology and performance, music and video, art and craft), it's pretty $%@#'in spectacular, and clearly, must be seen not just to be believed, but even to be described. Featuring a heavenly host of local talent and more fancy electronic gear than you can even imagine." 



-Sean Nelson, The Stranger




The evening will end with a special performance by transAtlantic iceFloe, that method-core, instrumental rock band formed by members of the SIL2K Ensemble.  transAtlantic iceFloe is: Robert Henson - Guitar, Kevin Goldsmith - Bass, Stuart McLeod - Drums.  transAtlantic iceFloe has been performing regularly in Seattle at venues such as I-Spy, the ReBar, the Sunset Tavern, The Rainbow, The Sky Church at EMP and at The Capitol Theater in Olympia.  transAtlantic iceFloe has been described as "music designed for reprogramming and breaking wills". They have been favorably comp!
ared to The Swans, Mogwai, Godspeed You Black Emperor and Radiohead.    <http://taif.net/>






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Thanks Andy- I actually did this last night- found an unofficial 1010 page
with instructions- and I did notice that sometimes the lower value may stop
at 1 (amazing how much volume the EDP emits at 1) so I tried what you
suggested using less than the full range during calibration- Thanks again-

Cliff

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> > Just got the FCB1010 and after assigning ExpA to Feedback control it
> >  only works over a very short range of the pedal- I tried reversing the
> >  Min and Max values to no avail- any ideas? Also- has anyone created a
> >  sysex dump of their FCB1010 to control EDP and/or Repeater they could
> >  send me? Thanks-
> >
>
> Hi Cliff
> a guy called Bruce had the exact same problem,
> Get you sorted in about 5mins. :-)
>
> andy
>
>
>
> OK Bruce, sounds like you're pedals need recalibrating.
> So here's the recalibration procedure, it's not on the Behringer site.
>
> I found it best to use "not quite" the full range of the pedal when
> calibrating, as following the instructions exactly
> can  give you a slightly reduced range.
>
>
> Behringer FCB1010 POST/recalibration HOWTO
> The original text is from Behringer support, posted to uk.music.guitar on
> 11th Dec 2001. I (Mike) have edited it a bit for clarity.
> Keep footswitches 1 and 3 pressed while switching on the unit (This bit
you
> can't do standing up!). Release the switches when the display blanks. The
> LEDs on the footswitches, the ones on the display and each segment of the
two
> numeric displays will turn on and off in sequence.
> Wait untill all footswitch LEDs are on. Depress all footswitches one at a
> time, including UP and DOWN, untill all LEDs are off.
> Wait untill relay switch test is finished. (There will be a couple of
> mechanical clicks, and the display will end up reading "F1" (at least, it
did
> on mine)). [Also, if you have connected a MIDI cable between the MIDI in
and
> out, the display will show "A1" before this, meaning the midi ports work
> correctly.]
> Press DOWN once.
> Adjust the left expression pedal (A) to the lowest value. Once adjusted
press
> UP.
> Adjust the left expression pedal (A) to the highest value. Once adjusted
> press UP.
> Adjust the right expression pedal (B) to the lowest value. Once adjusted
> press UP.
> Adjust the right expression pedal (B) to the highest value. Once adjusted
> press UP.
> Select a patch which has both pedals set to their full range, and check
the
> expression pedals now send 0-127 (0x00-0x7F)
>
>


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Really cool mp3s on your site!

I'm pretty sure the RC20 doesn't let you do multipal tracks, but it does
permit overdubs on one (mono) track.  The only the Hardware looper that
would allow multipal tracks was the Repeater, but I guess people are now
talking about the Digitech GNX3.  The Repeater has been discontinued,
but you can still find them around.  Check out the "tools of the trade"
section on the Loopers Delight site and it will give you a pretty good
idea of what's out there and what can be done.

Mark Sottilaro

Ritsu Katsumata wrote:

> Hi--
>
> I'm a novice at live looping-- used the sound on sound with my old
> digitech rp10, but that's about it.  Can anyone tell me if they'd
> recommend the Boss RC20 to someone like me?
>
> I play electric violin-- my stuff is posted on http://www.ritsu.com
> I want to try looping some rhythmic riffs, maybe 2 or 3 tracks, and
> play a lead line over it.
>
> Any advice is appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ritsu

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Don't know if this has been covered but Behringer will send a free chip =
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Cliff

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At 7:37 PM -0400 9/24/02, just john wrote:
> >Saturday, October 19, 2002
>>Great American Music Hall
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>The one in Peoria?  St. Louis?   Padukah?  Takoma?  WHERE??

D'oh! I hate it when people can't even spam properly.

San Francisco (the one in California, USA)


>(Some day I'll see Mike Keneally, honest!)

Do. He always manages to be amusing and inspiring at the same time.

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>The one in Peoria?  St. Louis?   Padukah?  Takoma?  WHERE??

I'm amazed I'm correcting this -- it's Paducah, not Padukah -- but I grew 
up not far from there.

Actually, I'm even more amazed that there's somebody else that's even heard 
of the frickin' place...

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At 9:36 PM -0400 9/23/02, RandomLFO@aol.com wrote:

>FWIW, there is the I-Cube system by Infusion Systems. 
>(www.infusionsystems.com) The I-Cube has a lot of sensors (Like tilt 
>and tap) designed to allow the dancers to either trigger MIDI 
>events, or send CC messages. there is also the BodySynth 
>(www.synthzone.com/bsynth.html), and various gloves designed for 
>MIDI (I-cube also has gloves). The ControllerZone has an interesting 
>collection of controllers (www.synthzone.com/ctrlr.htm). Some of 
>these may provide some nice options for Loopers.

At 12:07 PM -0700 9/24/02, SRice wrote:

>For midi input from the dancers or myself as I dance,
>I have the fairly simple idea of putting a potentiometer
>in some hand-held wrapper(how about a Nerf ball!) and using
>the MidiSolutions pedal-to-cc gizmo to tweak the looper or
>effects processor.  This would require only the midi
>converter box, pot, and some wire to do(I think.  Maybe
>also a six-pack to bribe some local electrical engineer.
>JW, what's your favorite brew? ;-)  )  This would
>definitely _not_ be traditional Contact, but lots of fun!


For those in the Los Angeles area, we'll be having an American 
Composers Forum Technology Salon on October 15th, devoted to 
Interactive Media Performance and featuring Mark Coniglio and his 
partner Dawn Stoppiello, along with Clay Chaplin. Mark is the 
inventor of the MidiDancer hardware and Isadora software used by 
their dance theater company Troika Ranch.






There are many composers, dancers, and choreographers working in 
various forms of dance technology. There is even a dance technology 
mailing list  and an 
International Dance and Technology organization 
. I don't know how active this organization 
is, since their Web site is a bit out of date, but they do have a 
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At 9:36 PM -0400 9/23/02, RandomLFO@aol.com wrote:





FWIW, there
is the I-Cube system by Infusion Systems. (www.infusionsystems.com)
The I-Cube has a lot of sensors (Like tilt and tap) designed to allow
the dancers to either trigger MIDI events, or send CC messages. there
is also the BodySynth (www.synthzone.com/bsynth.html), and various
gloves designed for MIDI (I-cube also has gloves). The ControllerZone
has an interesting collection of controllers
(www.synthzone.com/ctrlr.htm). Some of these may provide some nice
options for Loopers.





At 12:07 PM -0700 9/24/02, SRice wrote:





For midi input from the dancers or myself
as I dance,

I have the fairly simple idea of putting a potentiometer

in some hand-held wrapper(how about a Nerf ball!) and using

the MidiSolutions pedal-to-cc gizmo to tweak the looper or

effects processor.  This would require only the midi

converter box, pot, and some wire to do(I think.  Maybe

also a six-pack to bribe some local electrical engineer.

JW, what's your favorite brew? ;-)  )  This
would


definitely _not_ be traditional Contact,
but lots of fun!









For those in the Los Angeles area, we'll be having an American
Composers Forum Technology Salon on October 15th, devoted to
Interactive Media Performance and featuring Mark Coniglio and his
partner Dawn Stoppiello, along with Clay Chaplin. Mark is the inventor
of the MidiDancer hardware and Isadora software used by their dance
theater company Troika Ranch.





<http://www.troikaranch.org>


<http://www.troikaranch.org/technology.html>


<http://www.troikaranch.org/mididancer.html>


<http://www.troikatronix.com/isadora.html>





There are many composers, dancers, and choreographers working in
various forms of dance technology. There is even a dance technology
mailing list <http://art.net/%7Edtz/maillist.html> and an
International Dance and Technology organization
<http://idat.org/idat/>. I don't know how active this
organization is, since their Web site is a bit out of date, but they
do have a useful set of links at
<http://art.net/%7Edtz/links.html>



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>a portable HD recorder like the Jukebox should have the same quality 
>as a DAT, if the converter is sufficiently good (I dont know), and 
>its smaller and less sensitive to humidity and such, since the 
>mechanics (the HD) is totally sealed. Its pretty small too, although 
>not quite as small as an MD.
>
I would think (but I do not know) that a portable DAT would have much better A/D chips than a Nomad, since recording is it's Raison d'Etre, where the Nomad is really about playing music and having the recording is "bonus."  I looked on the creative site, but I didn't see anything about which WAV formats it records in or what it's sampling and bit depth are.

I do most of my field recording on a MiniDisc, it's size, battery life and ease of use are pretty key for me.  I record my gigs either on the portable DAT or the MD.  My portable DAT ate a tape on Saturday night, so there you have the downside.

      Kevin

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     Richard, thanks very much for these links. I will forward these to the 
VCU Dance Dept's music director. The use of these kinds of technology is the 
one thing that is really lacking in VCU's Dance program.
     I will also pass this info on to the faculty and students. We do have a 
videography class, and many of the students have been using video, etc. in 
their performances. Isadora may be something that the students will want to 
work with. 
     For Looping and delays in conjunction with dance, I wonder if the TC 
Electronic D2 has the necessary flexilbility. Since one can tap in a rhythm 
to be used by the delay(s), I would think that this would be a very useful 
device. 
     Ambiloop? KYMA? how responsive are these to tap tempo? Can either allow 
you to start a loop, then tap in a new tempo for the loop? I will check out 
Ambiloop very soon. If all goes well I can get a chance to work with KYMA as 
well.
     Marc

In a message dated 9/24/2002 9:19:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
zvonar@zvonar.com writes:


> For those in the Los Angeles area, we'll be having an American Composers 
> Forum Technology Salon on October 15th, devoted to Interactive Media 
> Performance and featuring Mark Coniglio and his partner Dawn Stoppiello, 
> along with Clay Chaplin. Mark is the inventor of the MidiDancer hardware 
> and Isadora software used by their dance theater company Troika Ranch.
> 
> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> 
> 
> There are many composers, dancers, and choreographers working in various 
> forms of dance technology. There is even a dance technology mailing list <
> http://art.net/%7Edtz/maillist.html> and an International Dance and 
> Technology organization . I don't know how active 
> this organization is, since their Web site is a bit out of date, but they 
> do have a useful set of links at 
> 


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     Richard, thanks very much for these links. I will forward these to the VCU Dance Dept's music director. The use of these kinds of technology is the one thing that is really lacking in VCU's Dance program.

     I will also pass this info on to the faculty and students. We do have a videography class, and many of the students have been using video, etc. in their performances. Isadora may be something that the students will want to work with. 

     For Looping and delays in conjunction with dance, I wonder if the TC Electronic D2 has the necessary flexilbility. Since one can tap in a rhythm to be used by the delay(s), I would think that this would be a very useful device. 

     Ambiloop? KYMA? how responsive are these to tap tempo? Can either allow you to start a loop, then tap in a new tempo for the loop? I will check out Ambiloop very soon. If all goes well I can get a chance to work with KYMA as well.

     Marc



In a message dated 9/24/2002 9:19:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, zvonar@zvonar.com writes:






For those in the Los Angeles area, we'll be having an American Composers Forum Technology Salon on October 15th, devoted to Interactive Media Performance and featuring Mark Coniglio and his partner Dawn Stoppiello, along with Clay Chaplin. Mark is the inventor of the MidiDancer hardware and Isadora software used by their dance theater company Troika Ranch.






<http://www.troikaranch.org>



<http://www.troikaranch.org/technology.html>



<http://www.troikaranch.org/mididancer.html>



<http://www.troikatronix.com/isadora.html>






There are many composers, dancers, and choreographers working in various forms of dance technology. There is even a dance technology mailing list <http://art.net/%7Edtz/maillist.html> and an International Dance and Technology organization <http://idat.org/idat/>. I don't know how active this organization is, since their Web site is a bit out of date, but they do have a useful set of links at <http://art.net/%7Edtz/links.html>







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At 8:11 PM -0500 9/24/02, Duke Sexton wrote:
>At 07:37 PM 9/24/2002 -0400, just john wrote:
>Actually, I'm even more amazed that there's somebody else that's even heard of the frickin' place...

"You can't poo-poo Paducah, it's another word for paradise."

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Actually, I grew up pretty close to there as well, across the river in 
southern Illinois.

-Hans


At 18:11 24/09/2002, you wrote:
>At 07:37 PM 9/24/2002 -0400, just john wrote:
>
>>The one in Peoria?  St. Louis?   Padukah?  Takoma?  WHERE??
>
>I'm amazed I'm correcting this -- it's Paducah, not Padukah -- but I grew 
>up not far from there.
>
>Actually, I'm even more amazed that there's somebody else that's even 
>heard of the frickin' place...
>
>         -c-
>
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Hey Gang; I just picked up the new Peter Gabriel CD "UP", and thought I 
wmight pass on to you something of interest.  In addition to this being 
(another) breath-taking recording, it has some incredible, and most creative 
use of loops throughout.  Quite "loop-intensive" actually.  So much so that 
Mr. Gabriel is credited as playing a JamMan on quite a few tracks and 
Richard Chappell credited with loop treatments and manipulations....
...some really cool loopage.
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Hi Marc!

Some researchers use Kyma for data sonification.  The idea is to take huge
amounts of data and transform it into an immersive sound field.  By
navigating through the field you can perceive patterns.

By picking up telemetry from dancers, you could use similar techniques.
Kyma is quite good at analyzing data and sonifying it.  Probably something
like MAX/MSP will also do a good job.

Something more on my list to have fun with!

- Dennis Leas



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     Richard, thanks very much for these links. I will forward these to the
VCU Dance Dept's music director. The use of these kinds of technology is the
one thing that is really lacking in VCU's Dance program.
     I will also pass this info on to the faculty and students. We do have a
videography class, and many of the students have been using video, etc. in
their performances. Isadora may be something that the students will want to
work with.
     For Looping and delays in conjunction with dance, I wonder if the TC
Electronic D2 has the necessary flexilbility. Since one can tap in a rhythm
to be used by the delay(s), I would think that this would be a very useful
device.
     Ambiloop? KYMA? how responsive are these to tap tempo? Can either allow
you to start a loop, then tap in a new tempo for the loop? I will check out
Ambiloop very soon. If all goes well I can get a chance to work with KYMA as
well.
     Marc

In a message dated 9/24/2002 9:19:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
zvonar@zvonar.com writes:



For those in the Los Angeles area, we'll be having an American Composers
Forum Technology Salon on October 15th, devoted to Interactive Media
Performance and featuring Mark Coniglio and his partner Dawn Stoppiello,
along with Clay Chaplin. Mark is the inventor of the MidiDancer hardware and
Isadora software used by their dance theater company Troika Ranch.
















There are many composers, dancers, and choreographers working in various
forms of dance technology. There is even a dance technology mailing list
 and an International Dance and
Technology organization . I don't know how active
this organization is, since their Web site is a bit out of date, but they do
have a useful set of links at 


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At 07:47 PM 9/24/2002 -0700, armatronix wrote:
>Actually, I grew up pretty close to there as well, across the river in 
>southern Illinois.

Uh-oh...  I grew up east of Paducah, on the shores of beautiful [sic] Lake 
Barkley over by the LBL.

However, I went to school and (finally) graduated from SIU, so I know 
southern Illinois pretty well.  (Where did you grow up, BTW...?)

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It's interesting to read that folks are exploring this realm of dancers,
actors, and I hope the use of the EDP, in order to make the sonics of
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I hoped to receive some feedback on whays to make Max/MSP work with the
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In any case, for those on the the list who wish to receive my very basic
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  Hi Dennis. Thanks for your reply. Does Data Sonification utilize Granular 
Synthesis to achieve this? Can you set this data sonification technique to 
respond to tempo in anyway? If you can navigate thru the field, what 
parameters can you set in relation to that? I have been working with Reaktor 
for a while now. Of course with the granular module in Reaktor you can adjust 
the size of the piece of the sound file you are granulizing in realtime, 
along with grain size, etc. I'm sure KYMA must allow some incredible realtime 
control capabilities. I guess that you could have a loop going, and perform 
this Data Sonification technique on it as you go. Maybe one could even morph 
between the original loop and new ambiences you could create via this Data 
Sonification technique. 
     Do you think that KYMA could adjust the tempo of loops, without 
glitching the audio, on the fly? It probably could.
     Thanks, Marc

In a message dated 9/24/2002 11:37:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
dennis@mail.worldserver.com writes:


> Hi Marc!
> 
> Some researchers use Kyma for data sonification.  The idea is to take huge
> amounts of data and transform it into an immersive sound field.  By
> navigating through the field you can perceive patterns.
> 
> By picking up telemetry from dancers, you could use similar techniques.
> Kyma is quite good at analyzing data and sonifying it.  Probably something
> like MAX/MSP will also do a good job.
> 
> Something more on my list to have fun with!
> 
> - Dennis Leas
> 


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  Hi Dennis. Thanks for your reply. Does Data Sonification utilize Granular Synthesis to achieve this? Can you set this data sonification technique to respond to tempo in anyway? If you can navigate thru the field, what parameters can you set in relation to that? I have been working with Reaktor for a while now. Of course with the granular module in Reaktor you can adjust the size of the piece of the sound file you are granulizing in realtime, along with grain size, etc. I'm sure KYMA must allow some incredible realtime control capabilities. I guess that you could have a loop going, and perform this Data Sonification technique on it as you go. Maybe one could even morph between the original loop and new ambiences you could create via this Data Sonification technique. 

     Do you think that KYMA could adjust the tempo of loops, without glitching the audio, on the fly? It probably could.

     Thanks, Marc



In a message dated 9/24/2002 11:37:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dennis@mail.worldserver.com writes:






Hi Marc!



Some researchers use Kyma for data sonification.  The idea is to take huge

amounts of data and transform it into an immersive sound field.  By

navigating through the field you can perceive patterns.



By picking up telemetry from dancers, you could use similar techniques.

Kyma is quite good at analyzing data and sonifying it.  Probably something

like MAX/MSP will also do a good job.



Something more on my list to have fun with!



- Dennis Leas







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> At 07:37 PM 9/24/2002 -0400, just john wrote:
>
> >The one in Peoria?  St. Louis?   Padukah?  Takoma?  WHERE??
>
> I'm amazed I'm correcting this -- it's Paducah, not Padukah -- but I grew
> up not far from there.
>
> Actually, I'm even more amazed that there's somebody else that's even
heard
> of the frickin' place...

Hey, my Dad's aunt lived in Paducah.  Never been there though. :)

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Agreed.  This album is amazing.  It is making me want to do pop music again.

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> Hey Gang; I just picked up the new Peter Gabriel CD "UP", and thought I
> wmight pass on to you something of interest.  In addition to this being
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> use of loops throughout.  Quite "loop-intensive" actually.  So much so that
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>Does Data Sonification utilize Granular Synthesis to achieve this?

It's worth pointing out that "data sonification" isn't a particular 
technique. It better to think of it as a more general practice of 
using sound to represent data, rather than the more traditional 
method of using such visual representations as graphs and charts.

For those interested in knowing more about sonification, there is an 
organization called the International Community for Auditory Display 
(ICAD), with an annual conference, a Web site, and an e-mail list.

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KYMA?

At 2:07 AM -0400 9/25/02, RandomLFO@aol.com wrote:


Does Data
Sonification utilize Granular Synthesis to achieve
this?





It's worth pointing out that "data sonification"
isn't a particular technique. It better to think of it as a more
general practice of using sound to represent data, rather than
the more traditional method of using such visual representations as
graphs and charts.





For those interested in knowing more about sonification, there is
an organization called the International Community for Auditory
Display (ICAD), with an annual conference, a Web site, and an e-mail
list.





http://www.icad.org/



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We lived in Energy until I was eleven.  My dad was a professor at SIU, and 
my mom worked there as well.  Small world.

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At 20:50 24/09/2002, you wrote:
>At 07:47 PM 9/24/2002 -0700, armatronix wrote:
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>>southern Illinois.
>
>Uh-oh...  I grew up east of Paducah, on the shores of beautiful [sic] Lake 
>Barkley over by the LBL.
>
>However, I went to school and (finally) graduated from SIU, so I know 
>southern Illinois pretty well.  (Where did you grow up, BTW...?)
>
>         -c-
>
>_____
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>                                                 -recoil


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Odd.

I attended SIU as well.  Pruned away all of my weaker brain cells there.
Actually going camping in Shawnee in two weeks.

In the early nineties, it was a real fiesta for collectors of bizarre
effects pedals such as myself. 

-K

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We lived in Energy until I was eleven.  My dad was a professor at SIU, and 
my mom worked there as well.  Small world.

-Hans


At 20:50 24/09/2002, you wrote:
>At 07:47 PM 9/24/2002 -0700, armatronix wrote:
>>Actually, I grew up pretty close to there as well, across the river in 
>>southern Illinois.
>
>Uh-oh...  I grew up east of Paducah, on the shores of beautiful [sic] Lake 
>Barkley over by the LBL.
>
>However, I went to school and (finally) graduated from SIU, so I know 
>southern Illinois pretty well.  (Where did you grow up, BTW...?)
>
>         -c-
>
>_____
>"i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back"
>                                                 -recoil

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Hi Marc!

> Does Data Sonification utilize Granular Synthesis to achieve this?

You can certainly use Granular Synthesis to do sonification.  A lot of other
number->sound transformations would work too.  The Algorithm Arts Software
folks ( http://algoart.com/ ) have some DNA->MIDI tools, for instance.

> Can you set this data sonification technique to respond to tempo in
anyway?

Yes!  Decoding a tap tempo is really easy in Kyma.  Automatic beat detection
is harder, especially depending on how sophisticated you need to be.

> If you can navigate thru the field, what parameters can you set in
relation to that?

Just about anything.  Kyma provides a large number of real-time controls in
its modules.  And you can easily combine the parameters.  For instance, I
experimented with mapping the X-Y mouse position into 5 parameters.  As you
roll the mouse around, you're actually varying five real-time controls.

Dennis Leas
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Hi Marc!

> Does Data Sonification utilize Granular Synthesis to achieve this?

You can certainly use Granular Synthesis to do sonification.  A lot of other
number->sound transformations would work too.  The Algorithm Arts Software
folks ( http://algoart.com/ ) have some DNA->MIDI tools, for instance.

> Can you set this data sonification technique to respond to tempo in
anyway?

Yes!  Decoding a tap tempo is really easy in Kyma.  Automatic beat detection
is harder, especially depending on how sophisticated you need to be.

> If you can navigate thru the field, what parameters can you set in
relation to that?

Just about anything.  Kyma provides a large number of real-time controls in
its modules.  And you can easily combine the parameters.  For instance, I
experimented with mapping the X-Y mouse position into 5 parameters.  As you
roll the mouse around, you're actually varying five real-time controls.

Dennis Leas
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> >
> I would think (but I do not know) that a portable DAT would have much
better A/D chips than a Nomad, since recording is it's Raison d'Etre, where
the Nomad is really about playing music and having the recording is "bonus."
I looked on the creative site, but I didn't see anything about which WAV
formats it records in or what it's sampling and bit depth are.
>

It recordsa at a least 44.1/16 bit. I'm not sure if there are downsampled
options, or ones for better performance.

I would also assume that a DAT machine would have better A/D converters, but
a minidisc's converters would be probably be comparable.

While I've had no opportunity to do any critical comparisons, I've been
happy with the quality of the stuff I have heard from the unit.

> I do most of my field recording on a MiniDisc, it's size, battery life and
ease of use are pretty key for me.  I record my gigs either on the portable
DAT or the MD.  My portable DAT ate a tape on Saturday night, so there you
have the downside.
>

Yes, DATs are limited lifespan instruments. I don't trust them any more,
myself.

bIz

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CQ suggests nicely:

>   Matthias, if  you would like to investigate creating a sort of sound
>track for yourself, one excercise which might be worth while would be to
>open to the mood or emotion you have in mind, and then think of all of it's
>aspects, touch, taste, scent, sight, and sound.   How does it make you
>feel?   think of all of the aspects you can of that feeling.  As far as
>music, how would it sound, if it could sound like anything?   What
>instruments would be used?   Would it just be a human sound?   Would there
>be chords?  -scales?   melody?   Harmony?  Would the pitch or pitches be
>high?   low?   both?  Would the quality and timbre of the sound or sounds
>be something you are already familiar with?, or something you can only hear
>in your mind and heart for the moment?  Would there be a perceivable
>rhythm?   Would it be fast?  -slow?  or  arhythmic?  -more like a
>soundscape? 
>
>
>   Also, do you see pictures or colors?     -Would they have a sound?  If
>they do, what would they sound like if they could sound like anything?...
>You might also try thinking of other senses in this context as well, scent,
>touch, taste... 
>     
>   Thinking of these ideas might help to bring your perception into a
>tangible form.

Strange, I never managed to imagine picture and sound simultaneously.
If I close my eyes and go into playing, there is no picture, just sound.
If I watch something while playing, it immediately manifests in the 
music, but I cannot "direct" that somehow...

Maybe if I want enough, I can learn that?

Most people that love music see pictures while listening. I dont either :-(
-- 


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>
>  > a portable HD recorder like the Jukebox should have the same quality
>>  as a DAT, if the converter is sufficiently good (I dont know), and
>>  its smaller and less sensitive to humidity and such, since the
>>  mechanics (the HD) is totally sealed. Its pretty small too, although
>>  not quite as small as an MD.
>>
>>  I think the quality of the MD depends more on the recording level and
>>  you tend to give a lot of headroom when field recording because the
>>  volume can change suddenly, so there the uncompressed audio certainly
>  > is an advantage.


>I´d like to know, what´s the diffrence between the compression in MD and
>mp3-players. Same with the AD-converter in MD,DAT and mp3. I read that the
>Archos Jukebox had better quality than most other mp3-recorder. Has someone
>Experience with it? Also: Is the something like a Sampling-Rate(16 bit) in
>mp3-machines?
>Carsten

MD and mp3 use a similar kind of compression.
DAT has no compression.
The Jukebox can record directly to mp3 or without compression (using 
10 times more memory, but you have plenty on the HD)
As far as I know, the quality of the ADC (and the analog input 
circuit!) is independent on posterior compression or not and 
influences the sound in a different way.
-- 


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Matthias Grob wrote:

> MaSo said:
> >Maybe it's the performer in me, but I've always found most non
> >ambient music, especially music with lyrics, to be very distracting
> >during sex.  I want to be making the soundtrack, I guess.
>
> good point!
> So how do you make your soundtrack?
> Since you play with your partner anyway, it easy and fun, no?

It's weird but when I try to think about sounds made during sex, it's
like trying to remember a dream.  I'm sure it exists... I just can't put
my finger on it.  It's a different state of consciousness for sure.
Getting to that state is usually blocked by someone else's music, which
is probably why I don't like it.

>
> I found the AKASHAs experience interesting, but what I am really
> interested is to create the right music for home, discretely but
> truely.

To be honest, that sounds interesting but I can't say I feel the need
for that in my world.  Sure, to use it as a preamble for lovemaking, but
when the "show" starts, I want the stage cleared sonically.  I could be
totally wrong.  I'm sure experimentation is in order.  Perhaps I've just
not found the appropriate music.

>
>
> I think it takes music that involves inconsciously, as ambient does,
> mostly, but with a dynamic that guides...
> For me, lyrics are terrible, too. Moaning of someone else as they
> suggest on some "romantic" CDs even worse.
> For a long time, I did not put any music either, but recently I
> remembered that the best experiences I had with music.
> "Beats of Peace" of mine with David Hoppkins is pretty good.

I'll have to check that out.

>
> A few years ago, it made a not totally young woman experience her
> first vaginal orgasm at all! Ok, there were other circumstances, but
> I could feel how the *music* carried us away.

You are evidently all that and a bag of chips.


>
> My first reaction was to suggest to David to commercialize the
> product as such. He thought I was crazy. Now I must say, he is right,
> its delicate, it was a singular event, maybe the energy of the music
> rather flew through me to her... a lot more investigation would be
> necessary... so I pretty much forgot about it... until this fool moon
> coincides with the start of spring...

I'll start howling now!

Mark Sottilaro

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At 10:00 AM -0700 9/22/02, Mark Sottilaro wrote:
>I couldn't find that model anywhere, but I am starting to think that 
>some of these "Palm 4 Tracks" like Korg's or Zoom's might be better. 
>Zoom makes a 3 track device that's not much bigger or costly than a 
>MD and everything is nicely put on a solid state compact media card. 
>Sure, recording time is more limited, but that's not terribly 
>important to what she wants to do.
>
>Anyone had any experience with the Zoom PS-2?
>

I got one as a gift and it's cute. I thought it would be perfect for 
capturing spur of the moment ideas in the studio without having to 
boot up the whole darn room. It is pretty good for that, but even so 
it is not an instant-on device and the battery life is kinda short.

Perhaps the most fun I've had with it was late at night at my 
mother-in-law's apartment during a holiday-- tapping on the built-in 
mic with all the effects processing cranked up, overdubbing against 
the built-in rhythm box, then automating a mix without the beat and 
with crazy panning. I felt like a kid up past bedtime with a crystal 
radio headset under the covers, tuned in to the little green men 
instead of the BBC. Must have been something in the meat loaf.

I can't say I've tried the PS-2 for any serious field recording. I'm 
quality-obsessed after some tests which convinced me 24-bit is worth 
it for nature sounds. I used to carry a DAT Walkman on the road like 
a camera, but after wearing two of them into the ground I gave up.

The Archos Jukebox doesn't record in real-time with less than about 
10:1 compression, according to this site: 
http://www.archos.com/us/products/product_jbrecorders.html

The Nomad Jukebox, if I remember correctly from a thread here a year 
or two ago, will record 16/44 uncompressed WAV files but it goes to 
sleep or something every 20 minutes and drops out of record. If 
anyone has worked around this with a recent model, I'd like to hear 
about it.

-Alex S.

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> The Nomad Jukebox, if I remember correctly from a thread here a year 
> or two ago, will record 16/44 uncompressed WAV files but it goes to 
> sleep or something every 20 minutes and drops out of record. If 
> anyone has worked around this with a recent model, I'd like to hear 
> about it.
> 

There was an OS upgrade that fixed this - even for older models.

bIz

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Is this like when I tell my band members to show up at a certain time, and then they come late and I yell at them?

Mark Sottilaro

AKASHMUSIC@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:23:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, catilyne@icicle.net writes:
>
> >
> > Not to nitpick (erm, much), but you forgot the third area:
> >
> >          BDSM -
> >                  Bondage/Discipline
> >                          Dominance/Submission
> >                                  Sado-Masochism

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Thanks for the info!

Mark Sottilaro

Alex Stahl wrote:

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> >Anyone had any experience with the Zoom PS-2?
> >
>
> I got one as a gift and it's cute. I thought it would be perfect for
> capturing spur of the moment ideas in the studio without having to
> boot up the whole darn room. It is pretty good for that, but even so
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> Strange, I never managed to imagine picture and sound simultaneously.

I sometimes do if I am in a trance-like state - it is very much like 
what you get if you are in a deep meditative state (helped with yoga) or 
take the easy option and cheat and use natural herbal substances. They 
are visions, just like day dreaming. The Place des Vosges improvisations 
were all recorded whilst in this state (natural, and herbal)... I can 
picture people, places, scents, touch....

Alas, it does not happen as much as it used to...

Lately, I have been feeling a kind of musical schizophrenia whereby it 
feels as though there are a number of performers inside me. The 
spiritual side of me believes that at times, my body is acting as a 
medium for dead musicians whereas my analitical mind just assumes that I 
am a natural headchase and am just playing things that I have 
subconciously heard or worked out beforehand. I play in styles I have 
never studied or have played before... to this day, I dont know where 
they are coming from.

Its a bizarre sensation... feeling away from your physical body and 
conducting your own small string orchestra....

Its great, as they work for free, dont have drinking problems and rarely 
argue with each other. :)

--
Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project
http://www.solostring.com
stuart@solostring.com

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Hi guys,
I was about to send you my next gig-spam but, unfortunately, I first have to
ask this oracle about a strange behaviour of my edp.
A loud hiss (white noise) is coming out from my edp after record.
Switched everything off in my rack, record silence, and still there it is.
input volume to zero, record silence, there again.
it is just increasing if I record with higher input vol.
:-(
I know when doing a gig for Cage's birthday, this can pass as something
conceptual, but i'd prefer to have the chance to choose it.....
thanks for rescueing me.

anyway, info about the gig are here:

http://www.mmt.it/cage.htm

thanks a lot,
luca

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> "do you imagine pictures while playing?"

With me it has always been the other way around: 
I play the "pictures" I see. 

But "pictures" is not the right word for it. It's more like geometrical
3D shapes of different color and density. I have experienced sound and
pitch this way even long before I started making music and I think it's
just natural. As a child I was almost never exposed to music so maybe
the "shapes" became a conscious part of my mind since I had no words to
describe sound and pitch? 

Best wishes

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This is an interesting topic.

Not that I'm a big fan of LSD (anymore, at least!)...
Still, I have experienced, and then read observations from a wide variety of
sources, that sound can often manifest itself as shapes and colors while
under the influence of a hallucinogen.  I have often wondered if this is
some chemical effect of the drug, or if it is simply a heightened
sensitivity to something that's always there - a basic relationship in the
human mind between sound and shape.

I'm also reminded of a Peter Gabriel lyric, from "Humdrum", on the 1st solo
album:
"Lost among echoes of things not there
Watching the sounds forming shapes in the air"

Doug

PS - gotta go get that PG "Up" CD soon!

----- Original Message -----
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>
> > Strange, I never managed to imagine picture and sound simultaneously.
>
> I sometimes do if I am in a trance-like state - it is very much like
> what you get if you are in a deep meditative state (helped with yoga) or
> take the easy option and cheat and use natural herbal substances. They
> are visions, just like day dreaming. The Place des Vosges improvisations
> were all recorded whilst in this state (natural, and herbal)... I can
> picture people, places, scents, touch....
>
> Alas, it does not happen as much as it used to...
>
> Lately, I have been feeling a kind of musical schizophrenia whereby it
> feels as though there are a number of performers inside me. The
> spiritual side of me believes that at times, my body is acting as a
> medium for dead musicians whereas my analitical mind just assumes that I
> am a natural headchase and am just playing things that I have
> subconciously heard or worked out beforehand. I play in styles I have
> never studied or have played before... to this day, I dont know where
> they are coming from.
>
> Its a bizarre sensation... feeling away from your physical body and
> conducting your own small string orchestra....
>
> Its great, as they work for free, dont have drinking problems and rarely
> argue with each other. :)
>
> --
> Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project
> http://www.solostring.com
> stuart@solostring.com
>

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Sound is a metaphoric expression of things seldom said. Whether seen or 
unseen it is in the eye of the beholder.

jeff

Doug Cox wrote:

>This is an interesting topic.
>
>Not that I'm a big fan of LSD (anymore, at least!)...
>Still, I have experienced, and then read observations from a wide variety of
>sources, that sound can often manifest itself as shapes and colors while
>under the influence of a hallucinogen.  I have often wondered if this is
>some chemical effect of the drug, or if it is simply a heightened
>sensitivity to something that's always there - a basic relationship in the
>human mind between sound and shape.
>
>I'm also reminded of a Peter Gabriel lyric, from "Humdrum", on the 1st solo
>album:
>"Lost among echoes of things not there
>Watching the sounds forming shapes in the air"
>
>Doug
>
>PS - gotta go get that PG "Up" CD soon!
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Stuart Wyatt" 
>To: 
>Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 3:33 PM
>Subject: Re: do you imagine pictures while playing?
>
>
>>>Strange, I never managed to imagine picture and sound simultaneously.
>>>
>>I sometimes do if I am in a trance-like state - it is very much like
>>what you get if you are in a deep meditative state (helped with yoga) or
>>take the easy option and cheat and use natural herbal substances. They
>>are visions, just like day dreaming. The Place des Vosges improvisations
>>were all recorded whilst in this state (natural, and herbal)... I can
>>picture people, places, scents, touch....
>>
>>Alas, it does not happen as much as it used to...
>>
>>Lately, I have been feeling a kind of musical schizophrenia whereby it
>>feels as though there are a number of performers inside me. The
>>spiritual side of me believes that at times, my body is acting as a
>>medium for dead musicians whereas my analitical mind just assumes that I
>>am a natural headchase and am just playing things that I have
>>subconciously heard or worked out beforehand. I play in styles I have
>>never studied or have played before... to this day, I dont know where
>>they are coming from.
>>
>>Its a bizarre sensation... feeling away from your physical body and
>>conducting your own small string orchestra....
>>
>>Its great, as they work for free, dont have drinking problems and rarely
>>argue with each other. :)
>>
>>--
>>Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project
>>http://www.solostring.com
>>stuart@solostring.com
>>
>
>
>


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jeff



Doug Cox wrote:



  
This is an interesting topic.

Not that I'm a big fan of LSD (anymore, at least!)...
Still, I have experienced, and then read observations from a wide variety of
sources, that sound can often manifest itself as shapes and colors while
under the influence of a hallucinogen.  I have often wondered if this is
some chemical effect of the drug, or if it is simply a heightened
sensitivity to something that's always there - a basic relationship in the
human mind between sound and shape.

I'm also reminded of a Peter Gabriel lyric, from "Humdrum", on the 1st solo
album:
"Lost among echoes of things not there
Watching the sounds forming shapes in the air"

Doug

PS - gotta go get that PG "Up" CD soon!

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 3:33 PM
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Strange, I never managed to imagine picture and sound simultaneously.

      

      
I sometimes do if I am in a trance-like state - it is very much like
what you get if you are in a deep meditative state (helped with yoga) or
take the easy option and cheat and use natural herbal substances. They
are visions, just like day dreaming. The Place des Vosges improvisations
were all recorded whilst in this state (natural, and herbal)... I can
picture people, places, scents, touch....

Alas, it does not happen as much as it used to...

Lately, I have been feeling a kind of musical schizophrenia whereby it
feels as though there are a number of performers inside me. The
spiritual side of me believes that at times, my body is acting as a
medium for dead musicians whereas my analitical mind just assumes that I
am a natural headchase and am just playing things that I have
subconciously heard or worked out beforehand. I play in styles I have
never studied or have played before... to this day, I dont know whe
re
they are coming from.

Its a bizarre sensation... feeling away from your physical body and
conducting your own small string orchestra....

Its great, as they work for free, dont have drinking problems and rarely
argue with each other. :)

--
Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project
http://www.solostring.com
stuart@solostring.com


      

      




      

      

      
      

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It's called synesthesia and I experienced it when I was in college.  I was
rubbing a blanket and could see stripes of light that moved and lengthened
on concert (so to speak) with my fingers as they slid along the blanket.

-----Original Message-----
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This is an interesting topic.

Not that I'm a big fan of LSD (anymore, at least!)...
Still, I have experienced, and then read observations from a wide variety of
sources, that sound can often manifest itself as shapes and colors while
under the influence of a hallucinogen.  I have often wondered if this is
some chemical effect of the drug, or if it is simply a heightened
sensitivity to something that's always there - a basic relationship in the
human mind between sound and shape.

I'm also reminded of a Peter Gabriel lyric, from "Humdrum", on the 1st solo
album:
"Lost among echoes of things not there
Watching the sounds forming shapes in the air"

Doug

PS - gotta go get that PG "Up" CD soon!

----- Original Message -----
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>
> > Strange, I never managed to imagine picture and sound simultaneously.
>
> I sometimes do if I am in a trance-like state - it is very much like
> what you get if you are in a deep meditative state (helped with yoga) or
> take the easy option and cheat and use natural herbal substances. They
> are visions, just like day dreaming. The Place des Vosges improvisations
> were all recorded whilst in this state (natural, and herbal)... I can
> picture people, places, scents, touch....
>
> Alas, it does not happen as much as it used to...
>
> Lately, I have been feeling a kind of musical schizophrenia whereby it
> feels as though there are a number of performers inside me. The
> spiritual side of me believes that at times, my body is acting as a
> medium for dead musicians whereas my analitical mind just assumes that I
> am a natural headchase and am just playing things that I have
> subconciously heard or worked out beforehand. I play in styles I have
> never studied or have played before... to this day, I dont know where
> they are coming from.
>
> Its a bizarre sensation... feeling away from your physical body and
> conducting your own small string orchestra....
>
> Its great, as they work for free, dont have drinking problems and rarely
> argue with each other. :)
>
> --
> Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project
> http://www.solostring.com
> stuart@solostring.com
>


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     Hi Dennis. Thanks again for all of the great info! Will I be able to do 
Data Sonification, etc., with the Capybara66?
     Take care, Marc

In a message dated 9/25/2002 11:52:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
dennis@mail.worldserver.com writes:


> Hi Marc!
> 
> > Does Data Sonification utilize Granular Synthesis to achieve this?
> 
> You can certainly use Granular Synthesis to do sonification.  A lot of 
> other
> number->sound transformations would work too.  The Algorithm Arts Software
> folks ( http://algoart.com/ ) have some DNA->MIDI tools, for instance.
> 
> > Can you set this data sonification technique to respond to tempo in
> anyway?
> 
> Yes!  Decoding a tap tempo is really easy in Kyma.  Automatic beat 
> detection
> is harder, especially depending on how sophisticated you need to be.
> 
> > If you can navigate thru the field, what parameters can you set in
> relation to that?
> 
> Just about anything.  Kyma provides a large number of real-time controls in
> its modules.  And you can easily combine the parameters.  For instance, I
> experimented with mapping the X-Y mouse position into 5 parameters.  As you
> roll the mouse around, you're actually varying five real-time controls.
> 
> Dennis Leas
> -------------------
> dennis@mail.worldserver.com
> 


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     Hi Dennis. Thanks again for all of the great info! Will I be able to do Data Sonification, etc., with the Capybara66?

     Take care, Marc



In a message dated 9/25/2002 11:52:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dennis@mail.worldserver.com writes:






Hi Marc!



> Does Data Sonification utilize Granular Synthesis to achieve this?



You can certainly use Granular Synthesis to do sonification.  A lot of other

number->sound transformations would work too.  The Algorithm Arts Software

folks ( http://algoart.com/ ) have some DNA->MIDI tools, for instance.



> Can you set this data sonification technique to respond to tempo in

anyway?



Yes!  Decoding a tap tempo is really easy in Kyma.  Automatic beat detection

is harder, especially depending on how sophisticated you need to be.



> If you can navigate thru the field, what parameters can you set in

relation to that?



Just about anything.  Kyma provides a large number of real-time controls in

its modules.  And you can easily combine the parameters.  For instance, I

experimented with mapping the X-Y mouse position into 5 parameters.  As you

roll the mouse around, you're actually varying five real-time controls.



Dennis Leas

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dennis@mail.worldserver.com







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the AKASH John said, midst in that other mail:
>but with AKASH we never tell anybody which AKASH to like or respond 
>to as there are many layers to AKASH just as there are in a loop 
>which is interesting.
>
>both on the surface and way deeper in the mix and subliminally 
>too:there are stories within a good loop that are infinite.
>
>that is the beauty of loping fo me..direct placement and views into 
>infinite joy and infinite incarnations all at your fingertips with 
>an immediacy not foud anywhere else in other mediums as ot is like 
>any significant journey ot looks inward to see its joy, love and 
>power.

this sounds really serious to me.
but since I reduce FB sometimes, maybe not the case with me?
or does every loop suggest somehow, that its going on forever, 
because it easily could, just as well... then again, when you are in 
the rain, can you feel infinity, because it keeps going on the same 
and it could just as well rain forever?
-- 


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Hi Marc!

> . . .
> Will I be able to do Data Sonification, etc., with the Capybara66?

Oh yes.  There are a lot of Capybara-66s out there doing great stuff.  Pete
Johnston at the Tape Gallery in the U.K. has a Capy66, for instance, and he
does marvelous stuff with it.  He won the 2001 Aerial award for best Sound
Design for a radio broadcast for instance.  All of the standard Kyma
modules, including the granulators, work the same on a Capy-66 and -320,
with the exception of two or three new ones.  The maximum number that you
can use simultaneously is lower on the -66 than the -320, howeever.

Dennis Leas
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>i have an idea but im not totally hip to this "CONTACT IMPROV" which 
>we have been talking about for the past few days.....kinda like kims 
>"omd's".....please help out an old guy that dont get out 
>much!.....is ci with dancers only or is it bigger than that?.....and 
>have no fear, with that 3/4 2/4 1/4 16/95 time suff im completely 
>out of that playground.....if it aint 4/4 or 3/4  its a 
>sin!!!!.....michael

if i dont do 4/4 or 3/4 its inconsciously or because of a failure ;-)
the CI people never even talked about this.
I like to change the rhythm by playin a different subdivision into 
the same looplenght, too, this sometimes turns into odd times.
It seems more important to be able to do non rhythmic things or 
quickly adapt to any accents that may come up (often without loop or 
just drone).
The most important is to floowww...

RandomLFO said:
>Dance Improv tends to be more theatrical, while Contact Improv tends 
>to have more of a spiritual flow to it.
>      It's one thing to improvise with other musicians. It's a 
>totally different thing to add dancers into it. I guess you could 
>say that when the dancers get added it's like putting on 3D glasses.
>      Marc

very nicely put!
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This is a very interesting topic, and quite personal ... sorry if I 
start rambling.

What I feel when I loop is better than any drug/experience/feeling, 
which is why I have and am sacrificing everything to continue doing what 
I'm doing full-time. It is deeply spiritual, and a high state of 
conciousness.

If you want an example of myself in this state, I have an mp3 of a jam 
with a friend (he used 2 laptops, Live and Reason), and myself on 
DL4/Repeater... its a rough mix and a total unrehearsed, improvised and 
uneditded live jam. Its total freeform music/soundcape/subconcious 
trance music.... Its the first time we played with each other for about 
a year. Just one evening where we were in the same city, and spent a few 
hours connecting everything up.

http://mapage.noos.fr/solostring2/zolstu1.mp3

I have other tracks - 8.6MB and 21MB which I'm trying to find webspace 
for if anyone is interested in how this jam went....

Anyway, we were both completely stoned.... celebrating our reunion, and 
decided to jam.... and both of us trust and know each other, and feel 
comfortable being able to completely freak out in each others 
company.....

....I'd be willing to try and explain some of what I feel when I'm in 
this state, and would very much like to hear how other people deeply 
feel when looping. We all feel something.... hell, we would not be on 
this list if it were not so.... Talking about how we feel might allow us 
to understand what it is that goes on inside our heads when we are in 
this state....

Anyone interested in 'opening up'? :)

--
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http://www.solostring.com
stuart@solostring.com

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"Matthias Grob"  put forth:

> the AKASH John said, midst in that other mail:
> >but with AKASH we never tell anybody which AKASH to like or respond
> >to as there are many layers to AKASH just as there are in a loop
> >which is interesting.
> >
> >both on the surface and way deeper in the mix and subliminally
> >too:there are stories within a good loop that are infinite.
> >
> >that is the beauty of loping fo me..direct placement and views into
> >infinite joy and infinite incarnations all at your fingertips with
> >an immediacy not foud anywhere else in other mediums as ot is like
> >any significant journey ot looks inward to see its joy, love and
> >power.
>
> this sounds really serious to me.
> but since I reduce FB sometimes, maybe not the case with me?
> or does every loop suggest somehow, that its going on forever,
> because it easily could, just as well... then again, when you are in
> the rain, can you feel infinity, because it keeps going on the same
> and it could just as well rain forever?

Tears, humidity, rain, rivers, lakes, oceans...  Perhaps we are immersed in
a process that because of our own water content, mimics nature as a side
effect.

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But we *are* nature.  We don't *mimic* nature.

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"Matthias Grob"  put forth:

> the AKASH John said, midst in that other mail:
> >but with AKASH we never tell anybody which AKASH to like or respond 
> >to as there are many layers to AKASH just as there are in a loop 
> >which is interesting.
> >
> >both on the surface and way deeper in the mix and subliminally 
> >too:there are stories within a good loop that are infinite.
> >
> >that is the beauty of loping fo me..direct placement and views into 
> >infinite joy and infinite incarnations all at your fingertips with an

> >immediacy not foud anywhere else in other mediums as ot is like any 
> >significant journey ot looks inward to see its joy, love and power.
>
> this sounds really serious to me.
> but since I reduce FB sometimes, maybe not the case with me? or does 
> every loop suggest somehow, that its going on forever, because it 
> easily could, just as well... then again, when you are in the rain, 
> can you feel infinity, because it keeps going on the same and it could

> just as well rain forever?

Tears, humidity, rain, rivers, lakes, oceans...  Perhaps we are immersed
in a process that because of our own water content, mimics nature as a
side effect.


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>
> this sounds really serious to me.
> but since I reduce FB sometimes, maybe not the case with me?
> or does every loop suggest somehow, that its going on forever, because 
> it easily could, just as well... then again, when you are in the rain, 
> can you feel infinity, because it keeps going on the same and it could 
> just as well rain forever?

For me, I never think about feedback, I just create the loops and they 
adjust themselves to whatever settings my equipment happen to be on... I 
overdub a lot, so I rarely think of individual loops being infinite, but 
the ambience of the piece and the piece itself could be infinite - the 
actual musical trip....story or whatever it is.

I often see the concept of 3 dimensional structures when I play my 
music... almost like DNA... I play better and become more technically 
analytical when I have a clear head and an empty stomach. Mr. 
Computerman. However, it starts to beautifully malfunction when I am 
stoned... sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt.

But nothing of what I see/feel/think is infinite... it is in fact 
normally contained around a 1/2/4/8/16 bar phrase in its entirity... but 
the space is constantly evolving and changing.

--
Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project
http://www.solostring.com
stuart@solostring.com

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So true- and so easily overlooked!
Thanks- 
Cliff

www.om-studios.com


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But we *are* nature.  We don't *mimic* nature.



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On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 09:26 AM, Stephen P. Goodman wrote:

> Tears, humidity, rain, rivers, lakes, oceans...  Perhaps we are 
> immersed in
> a process that because of our own water content, mimics nature as a side
> effect.

Thank you. :) That was beautiful :)

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On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 09:39 AM, Looper in delight wrote:

> But we *are* nature.  We don't *mimic* nature.

I'm not 100% convinced that we are nature.

Mankind works against nature. You only have to look at how we fight 
amongst ourselves and slowly suffocate the planet and kill off all the 
other species of living matter and natural resources. We are almost like 
viruses - consume, spread, consume, spread....

Certainly there are core elements of the human body that are made up of 
elements of nature, but there is something coherantly very wrong with 
the human psyche.

Maybe the 'buzz' comes from this psyche actually taping back into 
nature.... its a different natural state to be in, thus is a trip.... 
Damn... I'm rambing. :)
--
Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project
http://www.solostring.com
stuart@solostring.com

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The quality of MiniDisc recordings was much discussed 
on this list at one time.
The conclusion seemed to be that it depended on the 
type of sound to be recorded.
Simpler sounds come out well, but complex
ones get mushed up, especially if there's a
strong 'noise' element.
I recorded turkish saz players and it came out great.
...but a recording of a waterfall was unimpressive.

I noticed quite a large difference in the quality of the 
mic pre-amps in the portable MDs that I've tried.
(enough to make a lot of difference)

Best to get a player which allows you to manually set
the record volume, the default is always auto-volume control
which is handy (or essential) sometimes, but doesn't sound as good.
(more noticeable on percussion instruments)

mp3 can be made on various quality settings, but the 
commonly used settings degrade the sound a lot. 

For a DAT recorder, the mic pre-amps are probably
going to be the thing that most effects quality. 

andy butler

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Does anyone know if there is a way to have the Multiply function quantize to
odd bar multiples?
E.G. Say you have a 2 bar drum loop and you use the multiply function for a
song that is, say, 19 bars long. Is there a way you can get the Multiply to
quantize the extra bar (since it's not a multiple of 2) so you don't have a
bar of silence until the next multiple of 2 cycles around?

I would be one happy camper if it could pull that off!

-Arthur Lee

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On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 09:39 AM, Looper in delight wrote:

> But we *are* nature.  We don't *mimic* nature.

Then S. Wyatt stated:  I'm not 100% convinced that we are nature.

**I am--
And here's more--I think the magic of looping is that it captures the raw
animal part (sound) in a clinical digital (or equally unnatural analog)
form, freezing the moment.
I have a few different performance situations these days--I've been mostly
playing live with other humans, doing rock and pop covers in a unrehearsed
situation with shifting personnel.  And then, of course, jamming out with
the looping OMB (acoustic mostly, and lately the Ztar doubleneck--the new OS
is ready to ship!).  I have a gig on Friday, tho, where I need the (mostly
mothballed) laptop OMB.  So I bumped up the memory on the new Dell and
opened a few dozen of my Cakewalk files in Sonar 2 to use for that (Beach
Boys, Buffett, tropical).  Got it done tonight and decided to jam out a
little bit on the EDP with a regular solid body electric.
Wow, what a difference!  Instead of the stricture of structure, the
serendipity of allowing the "now".  I still haven't figured out how to sell
that part to an audience, but when it comes to solo performance, so much
more of the animal magic is manifested--probably due to the absence of
backing tracks to mask it, but also because of the nuance.
I will, however, drag the EDP to the gig and (hopefully) sneak a little
looping in on 'em.  Renaissance Hotel at Hollywood and Highland--anybody
playing Friday night in LA?
Gary

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Perhaps the word "mimic" is too confusing - but you can't necessarily say
that a Zoom 2100 or an EDP is nature.  Perhaps the manner in which we use it
would be described as mimicry to an extent.  That doesn't make it less than
it is though.  I think of it in the manner that I consider the binary nature
of our own thinking, and how this has become a pattern that shows itself in
behavior, as well as computers.  We know that, in nature, there are often
not two-sided situations, "black and white", but rather a full spectrum from
one end to another.

"I see technology as an extension of the human body...it's inevitable it
should come home to roost. Technology is us. There is no separation. It's a
pure expression of human creative will."
- David Cronenberg

S.

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> But we *are* nature.  We don't *mimic* nature.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen P. Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net]
> Sent: Thursday 26 September 2002 12:27 AM
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>
>
> "Matthias Grob"  put forth:
>
> > the AKASH John said, midst in that other mail:
> > >but with AKASH we never tell anybody which AKASH to like or respond
> > >to as there are many layers to AKASH just as there are in a loop
> > >which is interesting.
> > >
> > >both on the surface and way deeper in the mix and subliminally
> > >too:there are stories within a good loop that are infinite.
> > >
> > >that is the beauty of loping fo me..direct placement and views into
> > >infinite joy and infinite incarnations all at your fingertips with an
>
> > >immediacy not foud anywhere else in other mediums as ot is like any
> > >significant journey ot looks inward to see its joy, love and power.
> >
> > this sounds really serious to me.
> > but since I reduce FB sometimes, maybe not the case with me? or does
> > every loop suggest somehow, that its going on forever, because it
> > easily could, just as well... then again, when you are in the rain,
> > can you feel infinity, because it keeps going on the same and it could
>
> > just as well rain forever?
>
> Tears, humidity, rain, rivers, lakes, oceans...  Perhaps we are immersed
> in a process that because of our own water content, mimics nature as a
> side effect.
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Mark Sottilaro wrote:

"Agreed.  This album is amazing.  It is making me want to do pop music
again."


Man, oh man, it must be in the air..........I am suddenly so in the mood to
play pop again.

Not really loop oriented per se (except in the minimalistic discipline of
the rhythm section which is really into reproducing their parts)but I am in
love with the new
COLDPLAY CD and tonight, just purchased the new BECK and the new PETER
GABRIEL (which I will deliciously wait until tomorrow to listen to).

Uh oh.............he's not going to start playing trapset again is he?

He he he!!!!!


Rock On, Loopers!

yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool)



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In a message dated 9/26/2002 12:29:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
spgoodman@earthlight.net writes:


> Tears, humidity, rain, rivers, lakes, oceans...  Perhaps we are immersed in
> a process that because of our own water content, mimics nature as a side
> effect.
> 

AMEN - thats all we ever do more or less IMHO.

and that was better put than I could put it :)

and I would also add a quote: "U can not go against nature...becasue when u 
do...its part of nature too." LOVE & ROCKETS

Warmest Regards,
John Price/ "AKASH"
"The World's Most Erotic Band"
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic
"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"




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In a message dated 9/26/2002 12:29:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, spgoodman@earthlight.net writes:






Tears, humidity, rain, rivers, lakes, oceans...  Perhaps we are immersed in

a process that because of our own water content, mimics nature as a side

effect.






AMEN - thats all we ever do more or less IMHO.



and that was better put than I could put it :)



and I would also add a quote: "U can not go against nature...becasue when u do...its part of nature too." LOVE & ROCKETS



Warmest Regards,

John Price/ "AKASH"

"The World's Most Erotic Band"

http://www.akashmusic.com

http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic

"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"








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    I have several looping jams I've used while making love, but no more. I
found it too distracting - I kept going "into the recording," finding myself
being where the recording took place and not in the moment with my partner.
On the other hand, I sent one C90 cassette of sexy loops to my nephew who
said it was really good for him - he had no "other experience" to distract
him.
    I visualize loops as painting. Frippy violin-like slow-rise slow-decay
sounds are water colors; precise rhythmic Steve Reich stuff is Mondrian;
non-sync'd rhythmic stuff is Cubism; bright tones are yellow; G major is a
healing green. And I visualize loops as traveling. High feedback is like
rising over a landscape, low feedback is like travelling along a road. Fast
repetition is like fast motion; slow is like slow motion. Deliberately
overlaying a new sound upon an old sound is like turning a corner and having
a tree obscure the view of a lake...
    ...and the Reel Echo from Danelectro might be a fun toy for loopers of
all stripe. I just reviewed it for the December issue of GuitarOne. It
really does the "tape echo" tone excellently, although the "warble" is more
like a chorus effect than a wobbly motor. Increase the speed range and,
instead of getting slowed and dropped pitch, it leaves a hole in the sound.
Decrease it and the end of your echoed sound gets cut off. Decrease it
enough and you get a tiny fragment of noise like a motorboat stutter. Max
out enough knobs and it will generate internal feedback. Built like a tank.
All in all, lots of hands-on fun and lots of Stockhausen fifties sci-fi
tones for $199 list.

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Great Job Stuart,
   I understand and feel what you say.  When I get into looping I find 
myself in a space that feels alive.  It breathes and reacts to my thoughts 
to a point that emotions roll off my fingers onto the guitar travelling from 
deep inside to the exterior sounds.  Sometimes it overwhelms me to a point 
that I fear doing it "full time" but also crave it.  It is more than a drug, 
it has become an essential passion that must be fulfilled constantly.  I 
have a hard time explaining it but it still feels bigger and I feel it is 
still growing in me.  I hope it never ends

Weg


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>This is a very interesting topic, and quite personal ... sorry if I start 
>rambling.
>
>What I feel when I loop is better than any drug/experience/feeling, which 
>is why I have and am sacrificing everything to continue doing what I'm 
>doing full-time. It is deeply spiritual, and a high state of conciousness.
>
>If you want an example of myself in this state, I have an mp3 of a jam with 
>a friend (he used 2 laptops, Live and Reason), and myself on 
>DL4/Repeater... its a rough mix and a total unrehearsed, improvised and 
>uneditded live jam. Its total freeform music/soundcape/subconcious trance 
>music.... Its the first time we played with each other for about a year. 
>Just one evening where we were in the same city, and spent a few hours 
>connecting everything up.
>
>http://mapage.noos.fr/solostring2/zolstu1.mp3
>
>I have other tracks - 8.6MB and 21MB which I'm trying to find webspace for 
>if anyone is interested in how this jam went....
>
>Anyway, we were both completely stoned.... celebrating our reunion, and 
>decided to jam.... and both of us trust and know each other, and feel 
>comfortable being able to completely freak out in each others company.....
>
>....I'd be willing to try and explain some of what I feel when I'm in this 
>state, and would very much like to hear how other people deeply feel when 
>looping. We all feel something.... hell, we would not be on this list if it 
>were not so.... Talking about how we feel might allow us to understand what 
>it is that goes on inside our heads when we are in this state....
>
>Anyone interested in 'opening up'? :)
>
>--
>Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project
>http://www.solostring.com
>stuart@solostring.com







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Your assumption seems to be that nature is only constructive and
positive (in whatever shades of meaning we derive from our particular
culture).  "Viruses" are nature themselves.  A giant volcanic explosion
is nature.  A giant meteor or comet hitting the Earth and killing off
all the dinosaurs is nature.  Are you aware that more than 90% of all
species that have ever lived are now extinct?  And if that is the
pattern (loop?) of nature on Earth, guess what's our (humans') most
probable destiny?  

All loops vanish away.

We *are* biochemical loops.  It's natural.  It's delightful!

-----Original Message-----
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On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 09:39 AM, Looper in delight wrote:

> But we *are* nature.  We don't *mimic* nature.

I'm not 100% convinced that we are nature.

Mankind works against nature. You only have to look at how we fight 
amongst ourselves and slowly suffocate the planet and kill off all the 
other species of living matter and natural resources. We are almost like

viruses - consume, spread, consume, spread....

Certainly there are core elements of the human body that are made up of 
elements of nature, but there is something coherantly very wrong with 
the human psyche.

Maybe the 'buzz' comes from this psyche actually taping back into 
nature.... its a different natural state to be in, thus is a trip.... 
Damn... I'm rambing. :)
--
Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project
http://www.solostring.com
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My MP3's just got approved this week. So here they are:

http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/452/hsacnostetn.html

An official review is here:

http://www.indiemusicreview.com/scotthansen


There are 4 songs on the mp3 site. 1st 3 are acoustic/
singer/songwriter/folk/pop (and a bit of DIY/LO-FI/Independant)
The 4th song is one of my electronic/loop/abstract/
noise/interludes. I'm waiting for a 5th song (in same
"loop" vein as the 4th song) to be
approved, it had in the title "Lucasfilm", guess that
is a copyrighted name, had to remove it.

end of shameless, self-promotion...
s---
ps-cd is 79 min long, 38 tracks, about 1/2 are acoustic vocal
songs, other half are my loop/noise instrumental interludes...

Image of my album cover is here, w/ review coming...

http://www.gajoob.com/reviews/h/3467.html

I'm listed in "Dirty Linen" as a new release, (no review):

http://www.futuris.net/linen/newrel.html

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> > But we *are* nature.  We don't *mimic* nature.
>
> I'm not 100% convinced that we are nature.
>
> Mankind works against nature. You only have to look at how we fight
> amongst ourselves and slowly suffocate the planet and kill off all the
> other species of living matter and natural resources. We are almost like
> viruses - consume, spread, consume, spread....

But isn't that what living organisms do?  Viruses are part of nature.
Animals also fight each other for resources, and deplete their environment,
kill off other species and so on.  Plants do the same.  Other forces
generally counteract them--or else they succeed until their success limits
them.  It only seems harmonious and balanced and tranquil when
generalized....

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  Thanks for posting this.  I'm Synesthetic and  have been all my life.
With me, all of my senses intertwine, to the point where I'll sometimes use
words for a sense other than the one I'm thinking of, I.E. "listen to
that,"  when referring to a scent or such.  I also see colors and images
for scents and tastes and sounds and such.  Like the sent of Poison, which
is one of my favs, looks purple to me.   This was before I knew that the
liquid itself is dyed a purple color, -somebody keyed in...   lol!  I
think the  shade is a bit different from the one I see though.  
  It's pretty funny, and I and my friends often get a good laugh out of it.  
 It's also very inspiring though, as I get ideas which can translate into
other mediums very very easily.   I love it!  It also helps me in teaching,
as I give excercises to students based on ideas of translating one sense
into another creatively.  
  

  So Yes, I do see images and colors while playing, and listening and such.
 Have a great day!...  

Smiles,

CQ

  
  At 06:04 PM 9/25/02 -0700, you wrote:
>It's called synesthesia and I experienced it when I was in college.  I was
>rubbing a blanket and could see stripes of light that moved and lengthened
>on concert (so to speak) with my fingers as they slid along the blanket.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Doug Cox [mailto:bickleypunk@pdq.net]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 5:40 PM
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject: Re: do you imagine pictures while playing?
>
>
>This is an interesting topic.
>
>Not that I'm a big fan of LSD (anymore, at least!)...
>Still, I have experienced, and then read observations from a wide variety of
>sources, that sound can often manifest itself as shapes and colors while
>under the influence of a hallucinogen.  I have often wondered if this is
>some chemical effect of the drug, or if it is simply a heightened
>sensitivity to something that's always there - a basic relationship in the
>human mind between sound and shape.
>
>I'm also reminded of a Peter Gabriel lyric, from "Humdrum", on the 1st solo
>album:
>"Lost among echoes of things not there
>Watching the sounds forming shapes in the air"
>
>Doug
>
>PS - gotta go get that PG "Up" CD soon!
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Stuart Wyatt" 
>To: 
>Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 3:33 PM
>Subject: Re: do you imagine pictures while playing?
>
>
>>
>> > Strange, I never managed to imagine picture and sound simultaneously.
>>
>> I sometimes do if I am in a trance-like state - it is very much like
>> what you get if you are in a deep meditative state (helped with yoga) or
>> take the easy option and cheat and use natural herbal substances. They
>> are visions, just like day dreaming. The Place des Vosges improvisations
>> were all recorded whilst in this state (natural, and herbal)... I can
>> picture people, places, scents, touch....
>>
>> Alas, it does not happen as much as it used to...
>>
>> Lately, I have been feeling a kind of musical schizophrenia whereby it
>> feels as though there are a number of performers inside me. The
>> spiritual side of me believes that at times, my body is acting as a
>> medium for dead musicians whereas my analitical mind just assumes that I
>> am a natural headchase and am just playing things that I have
>> subconciously heard or worked out beforehand. I play in styles I have
>> never studied or have played before... to this day, I dont know where
>> they are coming from.
>>
>> Its a bizarre sensation... feeling away from your physical body and
>> conducting your own small string orchestra....
>>
>> Its great, as they work for free, dont have drinking problems and rarely
>> argue with each other. :)
>>
>> --
>> Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project
>> http://www.solostring.com
>> stuart@solostring.com
>>
>
>
>


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Uh... a virus is part of nature too.  You're thoughts that humans are 
apart from nature (as the Bible heavily advertises) are a big reason 
we're in the mess we've created.  Sorry to go so off topic, but this is 
a big thorn in my side.  We are part of nature, we're just a bad part.  
We need to start doing better.

Mark Sottilaro

On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 12:57  AM, Stuart Wyatt wrote:

>
> On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 09:39 AM, Looper in delight wrote:
>
>> But we *are* nature.  We don't *mimic* nature.
>
> I'm not 100% convinced that we are nature.
>
> Mankind works against nature. You only have to look at how we fight 
> amongst ourselves and slowly suffocate the planet and kill off all the 
> other species of living matter and natural resources. We are almost 
> like viruses - consume, spread, consume, spread....

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Agreed.  The goal is to return?  To create a sustainable circle/cycle?

M...


At 09:57 AM 9/26/02 +0200, you wrote:
>
>On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 09:39 AM, Looper in delight wrote:
>
>> But we *are* nature.  We don't *mimic* nature.
>
>I'm not 100% convinced that we are nature.
>
>Mankind works against nature. You only have to look at how we fight 
>amongst ourselves and slowly suffocate the planet and kill off all the 
>other species of living matter and natural resources. We are almost like 
>viruses - consume, spread, consume, spread....
>
>Certainly there are core elements of the human body that are made up of 
>elements of nature, but there is something coherantly very wrong with 
>the human psyche.
>
>Maybe the 'buzz' comes from this psyche actually taping back into 
>nature.... its a different natural state to be in, thus is a trip.... 
>Damn... I'm rambing. :)
>--
>Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project
>http://www.solostring.com
>stuart@solostring.com
>
>

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>>Strange, I never managed to imagine picture and sound simultaneously.
>
>I sometimes do if I am in a trance-like state - it is very much like 
>what you get if you are in a deep meditative state (helped with 
>yoga) or take the easy option and cheat and use natural herbal 
>substances. They are visions, just like day dreaming. The Place des 
>Vosges improvisations were all recorded whilst in this state 
>(natural, and herbal)... I can picture people, places, scents, 
>touch....
>
>Alas, it does not happen as much as it used to...
>
>Lately, I have been feeling a kind of musical schizophrenia whereby 
>it feels as though there are a number of performers inside me. The 
>spiritual side of me believes that at times, my body is acting as a 
>medium for dead musicians whereas my analitical mind just assumes 
>that I am a natural headchase and am just playing things that I have 
>subconciously heard or worked out beforehand. I play in styles I 
>have never studied or have played before... to this day, I dont know 
>where they are coming from.
>
>Its a bizarre sensation... feeling away from your physical body and 
>conducting your own small string orchestra....
>
>Its great, as they work for free, dont have drinking problems and 
>rarely argue with each other. :)

thats cute!
I have this sensation often with one spirit, which I feel can change 
along the music. Maybe you are in a different situation because the 
violin is so typically an orchester instrument?
When I play with someone else, it seems that this partners spirits 
plays my instrument to some extent, so the influence may not 
necessarily come from a dead musician... :-)

Just like you I always look at it from both, the spiritual and the 
mental point of view and both dont convince me totally. Probably they 
are just models to explain something we may not be able to understand 
the way it really works?
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Our dance specialist Mark "RandomLFO" said:

>      Hi Mathias. Thanks for your reply. So I don't write an email 
>that's too long, I am going respond to most of your questions with 
>individual emails. I will also encourage all of you loopers to see 
>if you can sit-in on some Improv and modern dance classes.

... and sent two long mails, explaining very well the complexity of the job.
Thank you!

I hate drum machines, personally, but from all the demands by the 
instructors for quickly changing times and speeds it seems to me that 
for a begginner at least, the easiest would be to take a notebook 
along with a library of drum patterns that can be mounted as the 
instructor explains what he wants and then freely adapted as he 
changes his mind. The advantage for the dancers would be that each 
repetition is exactly the same and for the musician it would be an 
oportunity to learn to play along and for the overall sound you would 
have a exact drum with someone playing more or less colorfull 
along... did you try that or am I completely wrong here?

And to bring back the looping side: once such a combination of 
patterns is established and repeated (if it is), you can place 
command notes for a loop tool into the MIDI sequence and such have it 
repeat automatically what is needed!
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>In a message dated 9/22/2002 4:19:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
>matthias@grob.org writes:
>
>>  >One thing which I think will be possible with looping is to
>>>get up for a minute and dance will the looper plays away...
>>>Including the dancers in the music, putting the musician(s)
>>>into
>>>the dance, these things should be very possible with the
>>>technology (nothing new of course).  This is part of my search
>>>for midi twiddlers.
>>
>>I dont quite understand this part... do you suggest that the music is
>>built automatically by sensors controlled by the dancers?
>>Somehow I doubt this will turn out nice, and I dont see the necessity
>>since there are some many loopers that want to play...
>>
>
>
>      FWIW,

whtat does that say? Is there a list somewhere of those, so I dont 
have to ask over and over?
Sorry

>  there is the I-Cube system by Infusion Systems. 
>(www.infusionsystems.com) The I-Cube has a lot of sensors (Like tilt 
>and tap) designed to allow the dancers to either trigger MIDI 
>events, or send CC messages. there is also the BodySynth 
>(www.synthzone.com/bsynth.html), and various gloves designed for 
>MIDI (I-cube also has gloves). The ControllerZone has an interesting 
>collection of controllers (www.synthzone.com/ctrlr.htm). Some of 
>these may provide some nice options for Loopers.
>      Marc

I have seen such glove
but they are not wireless, are they?
There is also a system that interprets camera pictures, from two 
angles I guess...

But is this stuff really sensitive and intuitive enough to let art alive?

SRice:
>For midi input from the dancers or myself as I dance,
>I have the fairly simple idea of putting a potentiometer
>in some hand-held wrapper(how about a Nerf ball!) and using
>the MidiSolutions pedal-to-cc gizmo to tweak the looper or
>effects processor.  This would require only the midi
>converter box, pot, and some wire to do (I think. Maybe
>also a six-pack to bribe some local electrical engineer.

sounds simple and effective...
again, would be nice to be wireless... there must be wireless MIDI 
stuff arround...

Random Mark:
>      I remember seeing an article in Electronic Musician some years 
>ago about a band Named D'Cuckoo (please excuse spelling). They had a 
>large ball that they called the MIDI Ball. It was wired with MIDI 
>sensors and was thrown out to the crowd. Each time the crowd hit 
>back up into the air they would trigger various MIDI events. That 
>would be very interesting to have at a Contact Jam.

now this is impressive! and must be wireless, so the ball could 
probably be "abused" in other ways! I want one! Is it a commercial 
product? I could not google it.
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Arthur,

I'll assume that you're not syncing to a drum machine, since in that
case what you want to do would be automatic with Loop4.

One simple way, which would work with any version of the Loop software,
would be to end Record with Multiply after the first bar, and then to
close the loop with Multiply (Roundmode=ON) at the end of the second
bar.  This will create the loop as two cycles.  Then just multiply it
out to 19.  This should also work if you're synced to a drum machine but
using Loop3.

In Loop4, you could set 8ths/Cycle to 2 with Quantize=8ths, record it as
a two-bar cycle, and then when you multiply it out end Multiply with
Record during the 19th cycle (the cycle count will read 9).  This will
redefine the loop as a single cycle, so you would then have to change
8ths/cycle to 19 to be able to quantize to the end of each bar.  I'd
probably go with the first method.


Happy Camping,

-Hans


P.S. Thanks Andre :)


> Does anyone know if there is a way to have the Multiply function
> quantize to
> odd bar multiples?
> E.G. Say you have a 2 bar drum loop and you use the multiply function
> for a
> song that is, say, 19 bars long. Is there a way you can get the
> Multiply to
> quantize the extra bar (since it's not a multiple of 2) so you don't
> have a
> bar of silence until the next multiple of 2 cycles around?
> 
> I would be one happy camper if it could pull that off!
> 
> -Arthur Lee

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start.....that sounds nice, i hope i close this loop at the right time.....ah 
thank goodness, no "bump" another perfect loop, i am a monster.....now lets 
add something here.....and here.....and here.....ah, getting better.....who 
needs a drummer.....wow a drummer whould be nice, in fact anyone else would 
be nice.....forget it, you're a freak.....only that old lady in the back of 
the room likes you and your music (meanwhile, im all alone in my 
studio).....shit! is it c# or c natural.....ahhh i forgot what key im 
in.....ahhh i have no idea what i got as chords on the loop.....chaos.....why 
do i do this?.....why dont i see things when i play?.....ohh that sounded 
pretty i guess it is c#.....i like playing things that sound "pretty" thats 
why i play.....i imagine that i imagine that i see pictures when i 
play.....time to fade this puppy out.....whats my feedback set to.....i hope 
people relize that the 100% feedback on my tea shirt is just an 
expression.....damn they will get me for false advertising....."TURN IT DOWN 
DAD!".....ahh pearls before swine.....stop.....michael

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Oops, the cycle count will probably have to be 10 (ending Multiply
during the first half of the cycle) to get 19 cycles for method #2.

-Hans


> Engineering wrote:
> >
> > Arthur,
> >
> > I'll assume that you're not syncing to a drum machine, since in that
> > case what you want to do would be automatic with Loop4.
> >
> > One simple way, which would work with any version of the Loop software,
> > would be to end Record with Multiply after the first bar, and then to
> > close the loop with Multiply (Roundmode=ON) at the end of the second
> > bar.  This will create the loop as two cycles.  Then just multiply it
> > out to 19.  This should also work if you're synced to a drum machine but
> > using Loop3.
> >
> > In Loop4, you could set 8ths/Cycle to 2 with Quantize=8ths, record it as
> > a two-bar cycle, and then when you multiply it out end Multiply with
> > Record during the 19th cycle (the cycle count will read 9).  This will
> > redefine the loop as a single cycle, so you would then have to change
> > 8ths/cycle to 19 to be able to quantize to the end of each bar.  I'd
> > probably go with the first method.
> >
> > Happy Camping,
> >
> > -Hans
> >
> > P.S. Thanks Andre :)
> >
> > > Does anyone know if there is a way to have the Multiply function
> > > quantize to
> > > odd bar multiples?
> > > E.G. Say you have a 2 bar drum loop and you use the multiply function
> > > for a
> > > song that is, say, 19 bars long. Is there a way you can get the
> > > Multiply to
> > > quantize the extra bar (since it's not a multiple of 2) so you don't
> > > have a
> > > bar of silence until the next multiple of 2 cycles around?
> > >
> > > I would be one happy camper if it could pull that off!
> > >
> > > -Arthur Lee

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Here ya go Matthias: http://www.atxta.co.uk/acroouter.asp

> -----Original Message-----
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> >      FWIW,
> 
> whtat does that say? Is there a list somewhere of those, so I dont 
> have to ask over and over?

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On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 11:10 AM, Bruce Comens wrote:

> But isn't that what living organisms do?

I stand corrected. Everytime I think of nature, I think of Bamby....
--
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stuart Wyatt [mailto:stuart@solostring.com] 
> Sent: Thursday 26 September 2002 12:57 AM
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> On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 09:39 AM, Looper in delight wrote:
> 
> > But we *are* nature.  We don't *mimic* nature.
> 
> I'm not 100% convinced that we are nature.
> 
> Mankind works against nature. You only have to look at how we fight 
> amongst ourselves and slowly suffocate the planet and kill off all the 
> other species of living matter and natural resources. We are almost like
> 
> viruses - consume, spread, consume, spread....

"You cannot go against nature, because when you do/Going against nature is 
part of nature too"

Sorry, I was a big Love & Rockets fan. :) In more on-topic commentary, 
if you put a looping device in the effects loop of a looping device, can 
we call that fractal looping?

best,
Steve Burnett



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From: burnett@pobox.com [mailto:burnett@pobox.com]
"In more on-topic commentary, 
if you put a looping device in the effects loop of a looping device, can 
we call that fractal looping?"

No, it would be called nested looping.

-Nathan

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> I think of Bamby....

Bambi even... I should stop typing and get some sleep... :-)

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No, we call that Brian-Eno-In-A-Can.

or not.

-k

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From: burnett@pobox.com [mailto:burnett@pobox.com]
"In more on-topic commentary, 
if you put a looping device in the effects loop of a looping device, can 
we call that fractal looping?"

No, it would be called nested looping.

-Nathan

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The Roland family of drum machines are really good in terms of having realtime
ways to tweak tempo.  Either via "Tap", slider or even the IR "D" beam
controller.  These are totally useful when trying to synch to recordings or
live musicians.  They also have a wide complement of synth sounds and samples
making them much more than a drum machine.

Mark Sottilaro

Matthias Grob wrote:

>
> I hate drum machines, personally, but from all the demands by the
> instructors for quickly changing times and speeds it seems to me that
> for a begginner at least, the easiest would be to take a notebook
> along with a library of drum patterns that can be mounted as the
> instructor explains what he wants and then freely adapted as he
> changes his mind.

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Fractal looping would be putting the looping device in a feedback loop,
playing back at  a half speed.

bIz

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> From: burnett@pobox.com [mailto:burnett@pobox.com]
> "In more on-topic commentary,
> if you put a looping device in the effects loop of a looping device, can
> we call that fractal looping?"
>
> No, it would be called nested looping.
>
> -Nathan
>

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>On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 09:39 AM, Looper in delight wrote:
>
>>But we *are* nature.  We don't *mimic* nature.
>
>I'm not 100% convinced that we are nature.

we may do things that dont quite fit in to as it used to be.
but it did several leaps before and continued beeing nature.

>Mankind works against nature.

just like any other member of nature. look what they do to each 
other, its one big competition.

>You only have to look at how we fight amongst ourselves and slowly 
>suffocate the planet and kill off all the other species of living 
>matter and natural resources. We are almost like viruses - consume, 
>spread, consume, spread....

here you say it: like viruses - a very old natural thing :-)

>Certainly there are core elements of the human body that are made up 
>of elements of nature, but there is something coherantly very wrong 
>with the human psyche.

Yes, there is something very fascinating emersing. I have the 
impression that even the dogs can feel it when they look at us ;-)

>
>Maybe the 'buzz' comes from this psyche actually taping back into 
>nature.... its a different natural state to be in, thus is a 
>trip.... Damn... I'm rambing. :)

we got a pile of different brains of different phases of evolutions 
and they dont colaborate perfectly, but pretty amazing well. The 
biggest and most recent one is the one that types this and thinks 
that everything is wrong and our fault. The others just go on they 
way they did the other millions of years and laugh about the newbie 
;-)
-- 


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I am probably the only one here who saves old messages for a time I 
have more time and then really read them, or finish my writing and 
post them. Some dont like that, but most of the subjects dont really 
outdate, so I do it anyway :-)

A while ago Dr. Z said something important in an ambience where most 
type their native language but many dont:

>I think most people don't even think about what words literally 
>mean; they just mimic what they hear other people say. Even those 
>who give some thought to the matter generally do so by assumption 
>rather than actual knowledge.

This is especially true for foreign languages. There is no way I 
could do all I do and still look up every word I ever use in 
Portuguese or English. So I learn its meaning by observation - and 
may get it wrong. It gets worse because in the 4 languages I know, 
there are similar sounding words that may even come from the same 
root but do not mean the same (any more).
This is terrible sometimes, because I speak good enough that most 
listeners dont think that I may not exactly say what I want and this 
can cost friendships!

Steve Lawsom also said then:
>The other thing to factor in with the net is how many people contribute for
>whom english is a second language. I think the world is a poorer place due
>to the tyranny of english on the net - it makes those of us who do speak it
>as a first language lazy, and can lead to ludicrous bouts of prejudice (I
>saw one ego-maniac hosting a bass discussion page ball someone out saying
>'come back when you're learned to type in english, BUDDY' - mmm, that was
>friendly.

Its worse than that: quite some people do not participate, because 
they think they dont type good enough or they dont read the sometime 
too elaborate or too slangy good enough to follow on a list. We are 
missing the contribution of good friends of mine in Switzerland who 
confirm that and of many more we dont even know about :-(
-- 


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Every now and then I check LD member Zoe Keating's web page (
http://www.zoekeating.com/ )for news of shows and new releases.  I hadn't
for a while, so when I went there today, I saw the news page had been
updated for the first time in maybe a year, and that she's playing with
Rasputina at the Bowery Ballroom on Delancey Street in NYC, TONIGHT.

If I'd known that, say, two days in advance, I could have made it to the show.

Gee, Zoe, your mailing list was one of the other few I've ever subscribed
to -- even before I came to this one.  I wish you'da mentioned this tour.



Now I'm up for A Night of Serious Moping ...
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>Does anyone know if there is a way to have the Multiply function quantize to
>odd bar multiples?

do you mean rounding or quantizing?
rounding is allways to cycles, so independent of the number of the cycle.
quantizing can be set to off/cycle/loop

>E.G. Say you have a 2 bar drum loop and you use the multiply function for a
>song that is, say, 19 bars long. Is there a way you can get the Multiply to
>quantize the extra bar (since it's not a multiple of 2) so you don't have a
>bar of silence until the next multiple of 2 cycles around?

Multiply never introduces silence if there was none before.

As I understand you, the original 2 bars are in one cycle, so you 
would multiply it by 10 you would get the 20 bars?

Options:
- If you end the multiplication by Record, you define a new cycle of 
any lenght. So if you press it exactly where bar 19 ends, you get the 
loop you want, but with the disadvantage that its one cycle, so to 
change the number of bars again, you would have to do it with 
Multiply-Record again. And it may not be precise and throw you out of 
sync to anything.
- (InsertMode=Insert) Record the origninal 2 bar drum loop by 
pressing Record to start, then Insert after the first bar and Insert 
again during the second bar. By this you have your original loop in 2 
cycles and you can just multiply to any number of bars.

>
>I would be one happy camper if it could pull that off!
>
>-Arthur Lee


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Yeah, I bugged her about this too.  On the 22nd I visited only to find out that I missed her on the 19th in SF :(  



At 06:20 PM 2002/09/26 -0400, just john wrote:
>Every now and then I check LD member Zoe Keating's web page (
>http://www.zoekeating.com/ )for news of shows and new releases.  I hadn't
>for a while, so when I went there today, I saw the news page had been
>updated for the first time in maybe a year, and that she's playing with
>Rasputina at the Bowery Ballroom on Delancey Street in NYC, TONIGHT.
>
>If I'd known that, say, two days in advance, I could have made it to the show.
>
>Gee, Zoe, your mailing list was one of the other few I've ever subscribed
>to -- even before I came to this one.  I wish you'da mentioned this tour.

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Yeah!  That show with Jhno sounded wonderful!   I've had waaaay too much
fun with his Looper freeware and have been waiting for his radiaL software
to be released (tho I'll have to get a job before I can buy it.)

I hope somebody recorded it.

Add to that missing Keneally, Kaiser, Muir et al ...  Well, I just applied
for a day job in San Fran.

(And then they'll all move over here to Connecticut.  Well, at least
Cellobop plays around here.)


>Yeah, I bugged her about this too.  On the 22nd I visited only to find out
>that I missed her on the 19th in SF :(
>
>
>
>At 06:20 PM 2002/09/26 -0400, just john wrote:
>>Every now and then I check LD member Zoe Keating's web page (
>>http://www.zoekeating.com/ )for news of shows and new releases.  I hadn't
>>for a while, so when I went there today, I saw the news page had been
>>updated for the first time in maybe a year, and that she's playing with
>>Rasputina at the Bowery Ballroom on Delancey Street in NYC, TONIGHT.
>>
>>If I'd known that, say, two days in advance, I could have made it to the
>>show.
>>
>>Gee, Zoe, your mailing list was one of the other few I've ever subscribed
>>to -- even before I came to this one.  I wish you'da mentioned this tour.

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     Behringer has finally gotten their new batch of EPROM's manufactured and are sending them out
free to any who request them.  Mine came today.  You can go to Behringer's website to find their
contact information.  Either call them or email them.

     As people have been asking what these EPROMS actually do, I'll paraphrase from the Upgrade
Manual:

     New Preset Copy Function.  This allows you to copy one entire preset and send it to a new
location.  User must first identify the source preset, then the target location.  Pretty
straightforward and basic stuff...

     New Controller Switch-over Function.  Allows one controller to be configured to alternately
send two different values.  Hit the switch once to send one group of commands, hit it again to
send a different group.  The switch toggles back and forth between these two commands.

     SVG

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Dr. Z said...
>I think most people don't even think about what words literally 
>mean; they just mimic what they hear other people say.

At 7:18 PM -0300 9/26/02, Matthias Grob wrote:
>This is especially true for foreign languages.

When I wrote that I wasn't even thinking of it as a second-language 
problem. I know many native speakers of American English who misuse 
words because they hear others misuse them or because they make an 
assumption about the meaning. But you are so right about the problems 
that arise when trying to muddle through in a foreign language. I 
myself, regrettably, have no facility with other than my native 
tongue, but I've taken the equivalent of first-semester courses in 
German, French, and Spanish and I had three years of Latin in high 
school. I've also traveled enough to hear English spoken with a wide 
range of competency. In these cases is works fine because we're just 
trying to muddle through and get some work done or enjoy a social 
situation. One thing I find myself doing is to fall into the cadence 
of the other person's language, so I end up speaking English with the 
other person's accent. It's quite unintentional!

But when the conversation is in ASCII most of the time there IS no 
cultural context, and there is certainly no aural sense of an accent. 
What might in person be a charming "flavor" to the conversation seems 
in plain text to be a bit clumsy. This is sometimes misinterpreted, 
and proper respect isn't always given to the foreign writer of 
English. I've been guilty of it. Most of the time there's an easy way 
to avoid making that anglocentric mistake - just look at the return 
address.
-- 

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I ran into Zoe on the morning she left San Francsico. (She lives at the 
place where the second night of the Found Object Festival was, and I wound 
up spending the night in a guest bed.) It turns out that the collective 
she's a part of decided to do the tour only a few days before it happened. 
Between that and the Ziegler show she did on the 19th, she probably didn't 
have a spare moment to update her site.

Matt Davignon

At 06:20 PM 2002/09/26 -0400, just john wrote:
>Every now and then I check LD member Zoe Keating's web page (
>http://www.zoekeating.com/ )for news of shows and new releases.  I hadn't
>for a while, so when I went there today, I saw the news page had been
>updated for the first time in maybe a year, and that she's playing with
>Rasputina at the Bowery Ballroom on Delancey Street in NYC, TONIGHT.
>
>If I'd known that, say, two days in advance, I could have made it to the 
>show.
>
>Gee, Zoe, your mailing list was one of the other few I've ever subscribed
>to -- even before I came to this one.  I wish you'da mentioned this tour.



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Actually, the site IS updated.  It's how I found out.

What I'm moaning about is she didn't relay the info to the email lists we
have in common.



>I ran into Zoe on the morning she left San Francsico. (She lives at the
>place where the second night of the Found Object Festival was, and I wound
>up spending the night in a guest bed.) It turns out that the collective
>she's a part of decided to do the tour only a few days before it happened.
>Between that and the Ziegler show she did on the 19th, she probably didn't
>have a spare moment to update her site.
>
>Matt Davignon
>
>At 06:20 PM 2002/09/26 -0400, just john wrote:
>>Every now and then I check LD member Zoe Keating's web page (
>>http://www.zoekeating.com/ )for news of shows and new releases.  I hadn't
>>for a while, so when I went there today, I saw the news page had been
>>updated for the first time in maybe a year, and that she's playing with
>>Rasputina at the Bowery Ballroom on Delancey Street in NYC, TONIGHT.
>>
>>If I'd known that, say, two days in advance, I could have made it to the
>>show.
>>
>>Gee, Zoe, your mailing list was one of the other few I've ever subscribed
>>to -- even before I came to this one.  I wish you'da mentioned this tour.
>
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     After just posting that last bit on the FCB1010 MIDI pedal, I started ruminating a bit on the
process that I go through as a musician in developing a relationship to my gear.  Someone on
another list recently made an excellent observation comparing physical patchcords (like with the
old style modular synthesizers) to LCD menu screens.  He said that the patchcords are more "right
brain", you can see at a glance what is going on and take actions from an intuitive part of
yourself in the patching process.  What Brian Eno refers to as "rapport" with ones chosen gear. 
LCD screens are more "left brain" and require you to enter a different way of thinking in order to
alter a patch.  Perhaps this way of thinking doesn't come easy for some people (like myself).

     I don't know if the "left brain/right brain" analogy is accurate, though his words spoke
volumes to me.  The FCB1010 is a difficult beast for me to wrap my brain around and it isn't
getting any easier for me as the years roll on.  There's not even an LCD screen...  Also for me,
MIDI (the way it is currently applied), is non-intuitive, non-"right brain" if you will.  One of
the greatest things to come out in the last ten years of gear is the entire Electrix line.  Or at
least for those of us who relate well to this style of gear interaction.  Though I have never
tried using the EDP, the discussions that ensue here on this list push me further away from it as
they seem to speak of a way to approach the pedal that runs counter to what feels good to me.  I
wish this wasn't so, as the EDP seems so powerful.  Perhaps someday I will come across one of
these little hummers and my thoughts about it will be proved incorrect.  I have to limit the
amount of gear that I buy based on how accessable it is to me to understand and utilize.  So much
of what has been produced over the last 20 years seems "unfriendly" to me and my way of working.

     I don't want to start any flame wars here, rather the FCB1010 and its awkward programming
style led me to ruminate a bit.  I put it in the "left brain" camp.  I would imagine that for some
"left brain" oriented people, the LCD screen actually works more fluidly in their music making
process.  To those who easily understand computer software and programming, certain pathways have
been etched into their brain and the way they relate to these things.  Or so it seems to me.  Once
the FCB1010 is well programmed, it may move itself over to the "right brain" camp.  Maybe.  Same
goes for the EDP.  It may serve as an unusually intuitive tool for me, if I am ever able to get
past the user interface.  Once my feet start dancing on the pedals, who knows how easy it will be?
 My sense is that Andre and others on this list already have this relationship to the EDP, perhaps
even the FCB1010...

     Another analogy comes to mind with the generic stomp box vs. the Line 6 stomp box modeler.  I
have owned all 4 of their effect modelers and have felt myself not able to relate to them
intuitively (programming them that is).  The resultant effects don't seem to do what they are
supposed to do.  Other stomp boxes seem so intuitive on the other hand, even the complex ones.  I
suppose it all has to do with how the boxes are set up internally, how their logic is constructed.
 On the plus side, in the process of owning these effect modelers, I have come across other gear
that does the job much more simply and directly, not to mention sounding better to boot.  So I
have a debt of gratitude for those humble Line 6 boxes.  They taught me that there are ways to
achieve what I want, in ways that work for me, and with some patience I will find that way for
myself.  (anyone interested in a used FM-4 or MM-4?)

     I am still struggling with my Roland GR-33 and my Axon AX100-SB guitar synths.  The Axon is
far more powerful and far more difficult for me to work with.  The Roland is more of a Plug'n'Play
module, with crappier tracking and sounds, yet the footboard controls make parts of it more
accessable.  They both rely on small LCD screens and way too many menus to scroll through, not to
mention Owner's Manuals that were written by aliens...  The bottom line may turn out that they are
not worth the trouble for me.  The jury is not out yet.

     And with all that Electrix has gone through in the last few years, the bugs and
inconsistencies and ultimate demise that is their legacy, ya still gotta love 'em.  I have all 6
of the Electrix modules, (indeed it seems like a modular synthesizer from the old days), and I
wouldn't trade them for anything.  One quick look at the rack and I know intimately what is
happening to my sound.

     In none of this discussion do I mean to imply that either right or left brain approaches are
superior to one another, or that one way of working is mo bettah than another way.  I'm interested
in hearing from people what works for them.

     Cheers,

          SVG


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Hey everyone,

I'm going to be in Chicago on a business trip from wednesday 10/2 to 
tuesday, 10/8. Are there any evening music events that I shouldn't miss that 
are somewhere near downtown? (This'll be my first time in the city, and I'll 
be staying somewhat near the Navy Pier.

I found the "Chicago NOW" list, and found there's an experimental/noise show 
on sunday, but alas it's during the daytime.

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Matthias escreveu:
> This is especially true for foreign languages. There is no way I
> could do all I do and still look up every word I ever use in
> Portuguese or English.
 --snip-- .
> This is terrible sometimes, because I speak good enough that most
> listeners dont think that I may not exactly say what I want and this
> can cost friendships!

> Steve Lawsom also said then:

I hope the Portuguesation of Steve's surname won't cost his friendship!  ;-)

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Thanks for opening my mind up, i just learnt something huge about myself.
cam

S V G  wrote:

>
>     After just posting that last bit on the FCB1010 MIDI pedal, I started ruminating a bit on the
>process that I go through as a musician in developing a relationship to my gear.  Someone on
>another list recently made an excellent observation comparing physical patchcords (like with the
>old style modular synthesizers) to LCD menu screens.  He said that the patchcords are more "right
>brain", you can see at a glance what is going on and take actions from an intuitive part of
>yourself in the patching process.  What Brian Eno refers to as "rapport" with ones chosen gear. 
>LCD screens are more "left brain" and require you to enter a different way of thinking in order to
>alter a patch.  Perhaps this way of thinking doesn't come easy for some people (like myself).
>
>     I don't know if the "left brain/right brain" analogy is accurate, though his words spoke
>volumes to me.  The FCB1010 is a difficult beast for me to wrap my brain around and it isn't
>getting any easier for me as the years roll on.  There's not even an LCD screen...  Also for me,
>MIDI (the way it is currently applied), is non-intuitive, non-"right brain" if you will.  One of
>the greatest things to come out in the last ten years of gear is the entire Electrix line.  Or at
>least for those of us who relate well to this style of gear interaction.  Though I have never
>tried using the EDP, the discussions that ensue here on this list push me further away from it as
>they seem to speak of a way to approach the pedal that runs counter to what feels good to me.  I
>wish this wasn't so, as the EDP seems so powerful.  Perhaps someday I will come across one of
>these little hummers and my thoughts about it will be proved incorrect.  I have to limit the
>amount of gear that I buy based on how accessable it is to me to understand and utilize.  So much
>of what has been produced over the last 20 years seems "unfriendly" to me and my way of working.
>
>     I don't want to start any flame wars here, rather the FCB1010 and its awkward programming
>style led me to ruminate a bit.  I put it in the "left brain" camp.  I would imagine that for some
>"left brain" oriented people, the LCD screen actually works more fluidly in their music making
>process.  To those who easily understand computer software and programming, certain pathways have
>been etched into their brain and the way they relate to these things.  Or so it seems to me.  Once
>the FCB1010 is well programmed, it may move itself over to the "right brain" camp.  Maybe.  Same
>goes for the EDP.  It may serve as an unusually intuitive tool for me, if I am ever able to get
>past the user interface.  Once my feet start dancing on the pedals, who knows how easy it will be?
> My sense is that Andre and others on this list already have this relationship to the EDP, perhaps
>even the FCB1010...
>
>     Another analogy comes to mind with the generic stomp box vs. the Line 6 stomp box modeler.  I
>have owned all 4 of their effect modelers and have felt myself not able to relate to them
>intuitively (programming them that is).  The resultant effects don't seem to do what they are
>supposed to do.  Other stomp boxes seem so intuitive on the other hand, even the complex ones.  I
>suppose it all has to do with how the boxes are set up internally, how their logic is constructed.
> On the plus side, in the process of owning these effect modelers, I have come across other gear
>that does the job much more simply and directly, not to mention sounding better to boot.  So I
>have a debt of gratitude for those humble Line 6 boxes.  They taught me that there are ways to
>achieve what I want, in ways that work for me, and with some patience I will find that way for
>myself.  (anyone interested in a used FM-4 or MM-4?)
>
>     I am still struggling with my Roland GR-33 and my Axon AX100-SB guitar synths.  The Axon is
>far more powerful and far more difficult for me to work with.  The Roland is more of a Plug'n'Play
>module, with crappier tracking and sounds, yet the footboard controls make parts of it more
>accessable.  They both rely on small LCD screens and way too many menus to scroll through, not to
>mention Owner's Manuals that were written by aliens...  The bottom line may turn out that they are
>not worth the trouble for me.  The jury is not out yet.
>
>     And with all that Electrix has gone through in the last few years, the bugs and
>inconsistencies and ultimate demise that is their legacy, ya still gotta love 'em.  I have all 6
>of the Electrix modules, (indeed it seems like a modular synthesizer from the old days), and I
>wouldn't trade them for anything.  One quick look at the rack and I know intimately what is
>happening to my sound.
>
>     In none of this discussion do I mean to imply that either right or left brain approaches are
>superior to one another, or that one way of working is mo bettah than another way.  I'm interested
>in hearing from people what works for them.
>
>     Cheers,
>
>          SVG
>
>
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After having met Matthias, I find myself reading his e-mails with my best 
impersonation of his accent, and now they all make perfect sense!

I know that I'm guilty of assuming the meanings of and/or misusing musical 
terminology, having not been classically trained.

-Hans


At 16:09 26/09/2002, you wrote:
>Dr. Z said...
>>I think most people don't even think about what words literally mean; 
>>they just mimic what they hear other people say.
>
>At 7:18 PM -0300 9/26/02, Matthias Grob wrote:
>>This is especially true for foreign languages.
>
>When I wrote that I wasn't even thinking of it as a second-language 
>problem. I know many native speakers of American English who misuse words 
>because they hear others misuse them or because they make an assumption 
>about the meaning. But you are so right about the problems that arise when 
>trying to muddle through in a foreign language. I myself, regrettably, 
>have no facility with other than my native tongue, but I've taken the 
>equivalent of first-semester courses in German, French, and Spanish and I 
>had three years of Latin in high school. I've also traveled enough to hear 
>English spoken with a wide range of competency. In these cases is works 
>fine because we're just trying to muddle through and get some work done or 
>enjoy a social situation. One thing I find myself doing is to fall into 
>the cadence of the other person's language, so I end up speaking English 
>with the other person's accent. It's quite unintentional!
>
>But when the conversation is in ASCII most of the time there IS no 
>cultural context, and there is certainly no aural sense of an accent. What 
>might in person be a charming "flavor" to the conversation seems in plain 
>text to be a bit clumsy. This is sometimes misinterpreted, and proper 
>respect isn't always given to the foreign writer of English. I've been 
>guilty of it. Most of the time there's an easy way to avoid making that 
>anglocentric mistake - just look at the return address.
>--
>
>______________________________________________________________
>Richard Zvonar, PhD
>(818) 788-2202
>http://www.zvonar.com
>http://RZCybernetics.com


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     I use the Roland Handsonic quite a bit in dance classes. It does some 
wonderful things, and some cheesy things. I guess cheesy can be useful too. 
Although I have not been using the sequencer in it for classes, I can see how 
it may be able to be utilized. You can assign sequences to be triggered by 
pads. You can control the tempo either by the dial, or one of the ribbon 
controllers. Although you can use the DBeam for this as well, you would have 
to hold your hand there. I don't think that there is any other way to hold 
the DBeam's value. 
     Marc

In a message dated 9/26/2002 5:21:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
sine@zerocrossing.net writes:


> 
> The Roland family of drum machines are really good in terms of having 
> realtime
> ways to tweak tempo.  Either via "Tap", slider or even the IR "D" beam
> controller.  These are totally useful when trying to synch to recordings or
> live musicians.  They also have a wide complement of synth sounds and 
> samples
> making them much more than a drum machine.
> 
> Mark Sottilaro
> 
> Matthias Grob wrote:
> 
> >
> > I hate drum machines, personally, but from all the demands by the
> > instructors for quickly changing times and speeds it seems to me that
> > for a begginner at least, the easiest would be to take a notebook
> > along with a library of drum patterns that can be mounted as the
> > instructor explains what he wants and then freely adapted as he
> > changes his mind.


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     I use the Roland Handsonic quite a bit in dance classes. It does some wonderful things, and some cheesy things. I guess cheesy can be useful too. Although I have not been using the sequencer in it for classes, I can see how it may be able to be utilized. You can assign sequences to be triggered by pads. You can control the tempo either by the dial, or one of the ribbon controllers. Although you can use the DBeam for this as well, you would have to hold your hand there. I don't think that there is any other way to hold the DBeam's value. 

     Marc



In a message dated 9/26/2002 5:21:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes:








The Roland family of drum machines are really good in terms of having realtime

ways to tweak tempo.  Either via "Tap", slider or even the IR "D" beam

controller.  These are totally useful when trying to synch to recordings or

live musicians.  They also have a wide complement of synth sounds and samples

making them much more than a drum machine.



Mark Sottilaro



Matthias Grob wrote:



>

> I hate drum machines, personally, but from all the demands by the

> instructors for quickly changing times and speeds it seems to me that

> for a begginner at least, the easiest would be to take a notebook

> along with a library of drum patterns that can be mounted as the

> instructor explains what he wants and then freely adapted as he

> changes his mind.





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Thanks to all who wrote back to advise me, total novice, on the pros 
and cons of looping gear...
At the moment, the favorite seems to be the Electrix Repeater, and I 
have a couple of questions:

1) is this the only one that can loop more than one track at a time 
(live) -- so, if I want to do a 4 beat loop on 1 track, then an 8 
beat loop on track 2, etc.--  or are there others that can do this 
(easily)?

2) what's the best foot control to get for it?  I'm going to be using 
it live, so there's no time to fuss with buttons and knobs.

Thanks again--

Ritsu
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In a message dated 9/26/2002 1:55:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, zebu@cox.net 
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> > >      FWIW,
> > 
> > whtat does that say? Is there a list somewhere of those, so I dont 
> > have to ask over and over?
> 

     Oh, sorry, that's ...For What Its Worth...
     Marc

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> >      FWIW,

> 

> whtat does that say? Is there a list somewhere of those, so I dont 

> have to ask over and over?






     Oh, sorry, that's ...For What Its Worth...

     Marc

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     Hello Mathias. The more we talk about this, and the more I think about 
it, the more I would like to find a way to incorporate some live looping in 
the technique classes. Really responsive tap tempo control would be the first 
criteria. Someone (I apologize for forgetting who) had mentioned success with 
the Repeater in responding to tap tempo. 
     At VCU, we rotate playing for the different classes. Today I played for 
the Level 4 students (the Seniors and a few exceptional lower classmates). We 
had three mixed-meter combinations. The first was 3/4, two measures of 4/4, 
5/4, 6/4, 7/4. The second was 6/8, 5/8, 7/8. The third was 3/8, 5/8 (2+3), 
9/8 (2+2+2+3), and three measures of 3/8 - I made the decision to subdivide 
the 5/8 & 9/8 based on their movement, but also in the case of the 9/8 to 
differentiate between that and the three measures of 3/8 following it. The 
teacher took a couple of minutes to demonstrate each of these combinations to 
the students before she had me play. 
     For anyone who is interested, let's create a scenario for 
experimentation. Take the 6/8, 5/8, 7/8 phrase. Set a timer for 5 minutes. 
How quickly can you create these three successive loops? Can you set the EDP, 
or a Repeater for that matter, to cycle thru several loops continuously? The 
other possibility would be to create one loop that is the entire phrase. 
Experiment with adjusting the tempo. How quickly, and consistently, can you 
do this? 
     On the other side of this, it is important to note that not all classes 
use mixed-meter combinations. Who knows what the Level 4 students will be 
doing next week? I even think that there is a teacher at VCU that I have 
never even played an odd meter for (Freshman and non-major classes), much 
less a mixed meter. 
     I think that your thought of using a notebook full of prerecorded 
rhythms has possibilities.You would have to have a wide range of rhythmic 
"flavors" though. There is also the possibility of having more communication 
between teachers and accompaniests. If you knew what expect before you got to 
class (well mostly anyway), you would be in a better position to try this.
     Marc 
     

In a message dated 9/26/2002 12:40:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
matthias@grob.org writes:


> 
> Our dance specialist Mark "RandomLFO" said:
> 
> >      Hi Mathias. Thanks for your reply. So I don't write an email 
> >that's too long, I am going respond to most of your questions with 
> >individual emails. I will also encourage all of you loopers to see 
> >if you can sit-in on some Improv and modern dance classes.
> 
> ... and sent two long mails, explaining very well the complexity of the 
> job.
> Thank you!
> 
> I hate drum machines, personally, but from all the demands by the 
> instructors for quickly changing times and speeds it seems to me that 
> for a begginner at least, the easiest would be to take a notebook 
> along with a library of drum patterns that can be mounted as the 
> instructor explains what he wants and then freely adapted as he 
> changes his mind. The advantage for the dancers would be that each 
> repetition is exactly the same and for the musician it would be an 
> oportunity to learn to play along and for the overall sound you would 
> have a exact drum with someone playing more or less colorfull 
> along... did you try that or am I completely wrong here?


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     Hello Mathias. The more we talk about this, and the more I think about it, the more I would like to find a way to incorporate some live looping in the technique classes. Really responsive tap tempo control would be the first criteria. Someone (I apologize for forgetting who) had mentioned success with the Repeater in responding to tap tempo. 

     At VCU, we rotate playing for the different classes. Today I played for the Level 4 students (the Seniors and a few exceptional lower classmates). We had three mixed-meter combinations. The first was 3/4, two measures of 4/4, 5/4, 6/4, 7/4. The second was 6/8, 5/8, 7/8. The third was 3/8, 5/8 (2+3), 9/8 (2+2+2+3), and three measures of 3/8 - I made the decision to subdivide the 5/8 & 9/8 based on their movement, but also in the case of the 9/8 to differentiate between that and the three measures of 3/8 following it. The teacher took a couple of minutes to demonstrate each of these combinations to the students before she had me play. 

     For anyone who is interested, let's create a scenario for experimentation. Take the 6/8, 5/8, 7/8 phrase. Set a timer for 5 minutes. How quickly can you create these three successive loops? Can you set the EDP, or a Repeater for that matter, to cycle thru several loops continuously? The other possibility would be to create one loop that is the entire phrase. Experiment with adjusting the tempo. How quickly, and consistently, can you do this? 

     On the other side of this, it is important to note that not all classes use mixed-meter combinations. Who knows what the Level 4 students will be doing next week? I even think that there is a teacher at VCU that I have never even played an odd meter for (Freshman and non-major classes), much less a mixed meter. 

     I think that your thought of using a notebook full of prerecorded rhythms has possibilities.You would have to have a wide range of rhythmic "flavors" though. There is also the possibility of having more communication between teachers and accompaniests. If you knew what expect before you got to class (well mostly anyway), you would be in a better position to try this.

     Marc 

     



In a message dated 9/26/2002 12:40:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, matthias@grob.org writes:








Our dance specialist Mark "RandomLFO" said:



>      Hi Mathias. Thanks for your reply. So I don't write an email 

>that's too long, I am going respond to most of your questions with 

>individual emails. I will also encourage all of you loopers to see 

>if you can sit-in on some Improv and modern dance classes.



... and sent two long mails, explaining very well the complexity of the job.

Thank you!



I hate drum machines, personally, but from all the demands by the 

instructors for quickly changing times and speeds it seems to me that 

for a begginner at least, the easiest would be to take a notebook 

along with a library of drum patterns that can be mounted as the 

instructor explains what he wants and then freely adapted as he 

changes his mind. The advantage for the dancers would be that each 

repetition is exactly the same and for the musician it would be an 

oportunity to learn to play along and for the overall sound you would 

have a exact drum with someone playing more or less colorfull 

along... did you try that or am I completely wrong here?





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I am extremely pleased to announce the
1st WOMAN's LOOPING FESTIVAL

(produced by myself with funds from the SJMA)

to be held at the
SAN JOSE MUSEUM of ART
http://www.sjmusart.org/index.phtml

110 South Market Street
San Jose, CA 95113
408-271-6840


FRIDAY,  OCTOBER 4th   at 8 p.m.


Special guest artist will be one of the most talked about loopers at
the recent Y2K2 LOOPFEST in Santa Cruz earlier this summer:

AMY X NEUBURG

with:

Loopers Delight regular contributor
GODDESS  (guitar looper from Colorado)

UNITY NGUYEN (West African/Vietnamese fusion looper)

DARK MUSE (aka Phyll Smith)
(dark ambient/found sound multi-instrumentalist/singer)
  also a big hit at the Y2K2 LOOPFEST

and

JESSIE ROSE (aka Audio Goddess)(Audio Madness)



contact the musuem for further information.

Thanks a lot............please come support this historic event!!

yours,  Rick Walker (aka Loop.pooL)

Woman looping artists interested in getting involved with next years
festival should
send a CD/dat/minidisc or cassette recording to:

Purple Hand Productions:
c/o Rick Walker (aka, loop.pool)
412 Darwin Street
Santa Cruz, California
USA      95062-2629


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     Here's the link to the MIDI Ball: Click here: Performance Innovations  
If the clickable link doesn't work, the URL is:
              http://home.earthlink.net/~sabean2/performance.html
     There's a good picture of the MIDI Ball on this page. Take care, Marc

In a message dated 9/26/2002 12:40:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
matthias@grob.org writes:


> Random Mark:
> >      I remember seeing an article in Electronic Musician some years 
> >ago about a band Named D'Cuckoo (please excuse spelling). They had a 
> >large ball that they called the MIDI Ball. It was wired with MIDI 
> >sensors and was thrown out to the crowd. Each time the crowd hit 
> >back up into the air they would trigger various MIDI events. That 
> >would be very interesting to have at a Contact Jam.
> 
> now this is impressive! and must be wireless, so the ball could 
> probably be "abused" in other ways! I want one! Is it a commercial 
> product? I could not google it.
> -- 
> 


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     Here's the link to the MIDI Ball: Click here: Performance Innovations  If the clickable link doesn't work, the URL is:

              http://home.earthlink.net/~sabean2/performance.html

     There's a good picture of the MIDI Ball on this page. Take care, Marc



In a message dated 9/26/2002 12:40:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, matthias@grob.org writes:






Random Mark:

>      I remember seeing an article in Electronic Musician some years 

>ago about a band Named D'Cuckoo (please excuse spelling). They had a 

>large ball that they called the MIDI Ball. It was wired with MIDI 

>sensors and was thrown out to the crowd. Each time the crowd hit 

>back up into the air they would trigger various MIDI events. That 

>would be very interesting to have at a Contact Jam.



now this is impressive! and must be wireless, so the ball could 

probably be "abused" in other ways! I want one! Is it a commercial 

product? I could not google it.

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Hello

Does anyone know if there is a midi pedal board that works as a MOMENTARY 
switch instead of a TOGGLE?  I have a Korg KARMA that has 4 chord buttons 
that respond to CC # 87 - 90. I am looking for a pedal board that will 
trigger as a momentary switch. EX.  when you press the pedal it starts chord. 
When you release pedal the chord stops ( Most midi boards work as toggle, 
meaning you must press once to engage and another time to release chord.).

Many Thanks

Paul Adams

MP3.com/PaulAdams


MP3.com/DavidHoffman

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for all you PC looping composers out there:


Because I love this software so much I wanted to
alert L.D.ers to the fact the Sonic Foundry is
offering $99 upgrades (to anyone who already
owns 2.0 or 3.0) to their latest version of
ACID (4.0)plus a free version of Sound Forge Studio 6)
 for the next four or five days only.
I believe that first time users are offered the
price of $199 which is way, way below their normal
price of $499.

I just love the software.  I used it extensively on
my first CD and used it for editing on my live CD.
It is the most intuitive and easy to use software
available on the market IMHO

Also, I have no affiliation
at all with Sonic Foundry.

I have heard, however that they
have had capitalization problems in the last year so they can use
our support.

Just thinking about how sad I am that ELECTRIX went out of
business, I only wish that more people who had considered buying
that unit had.

This is a killer price for an incredible piece of software (available,
regretfully on WINDOWS platfrom only).

I just bought it.

yours,   Rick Walker


the info if you are interested:

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one of the following:

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   faster results.
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   controls let you create a wide range of sounds.
· Alternate time signatures:  explore new
   musical genres
· 5.1 Surround Mixing:  The perfect mixing environment for scoring
   your digital video productions and other surround sound projects.
· MIDI piano roll editing:  display and edit MIDI
   tracks just like in a sequencer.
· MIDI step recording:  record MIDI notes and add
   events in ACID:  gain complete control.
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   parameters directly inside ACID!
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   track effect parameters, volume, and panning for
   your entire ACID project via additional track enhancements

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I'm in the same boat.  I curl up in the fetal position after about a minute of trying to program a multieffects unit or something similar.  I'm definitely a stompbox guy.  However I recently got an EDP.  I realize in order to get the most out of the machine I'll have to do some major reading and experimenting and will have to go against my current way of thinking. But I've found out the that you can do amazing things with the EDP right away with very basic knowledge of the functions. So right now while I procrastinate reading the complete manual and figuring everything out, I'm having tons of fun with the basic functions.  I'm looking forward to develing deep into the EDP too.  

PS.  Hello everyone. I'm new here. Mark
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: S V G 
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>
>     After just posting that last bit on the FCB1010 MIDI pedal, I started ruminating a bit on the
>process that I go through as a musician in developing a relationship to my gear.  Someone on
>another list recently made an excellent observation comparing physical patchcords (like with the
>old style modular synthesizers) to LCD menu screens.  He said that the patchcords are more "right
>brain", you can see at a glance what is going on and take actions from an intuitive part of
>yourself in the patching process.  What Brian Eno refers to as "rapport" with ones chosen gear. 
>LCD screens are more "left brain" and require you to enter a different way of thinking in order to
>alter a patch.  Perhaps this way of thinking doesn't come easy for some people (like myself).
>
>     I don't know if the "left brain/right brain" analogy is accurate, though his words spoke
>volumes to me.  The FCB1010 is a difficult beast for me to wrap my brain around and it isn't
>getting any easier for me as the years roll on.  There's not even an LCD screen...  Also for me,
>MIDI (the way it is currently applied), is non-intuitive, non-"right brain" if you will.  One of
>the greatest things to come out in the last ten years of gear is the entire Electrix line.  Or at
>least for those of us who relate well to this style of gear interaction.  Though I have never
>tried using the EDP, the discussions that ensue here on this list push me further away from it as
>they seem to speak of a way to approach the pedal that runs counter to what feels good to me.  I
>wish this wasn't so, as the EDP seems so powerful.  Perhaps someday I will come across one of
>these little hummers and my thoughts about it will be proved incorrect.  I have to limit the
>amount of gear that I buy based on how accessable it is to me to understand and utilize.  So much
>of what has been produced over the last 20 years seems "unfriendly" to me and my way of working.
>
>     I don't want to start any flame wars here, rather the FCB1010 and its awkward programming
>style led me to ruminate a bit.  I put it in the "left brain" camp.  I would imagine that for some
>"left brain" oriented people, the LCD screen actually works more fluidly in their music making
>process.  To those who easily understand computer software and programming, certain pathways have
>been etched into their brain and the way they relate to these things.  Or so it seems to me.  Once
>the FCB1010 is well programmed, it may move itself over to the "right brain" camp.  Maybe.  Same
>goes for the EDP.  It may serve as an unusually intuitive tool for me, if I am ever able to get
>past the user interface.  Once my feet start dancing on the pedals, who knows how easy it will be?
> My sense is that Andre and others on this list already have this relationship to the EDP, perhaps
>even the FCB1010...
>
>     Another analogy comes to mind with the generic stomp box vs. the Line 6 stomp box modeler.  I
>have owned all 4 of their effect modelers and have felt myself not able to relate to them
>intuitively (programming them that is).  The resultant effects don't seem to do what they are
>supposed to do.  Other stomp boxes seem so intuitive on the other hand, even the complex ones.  I
>suppose it all has to do with how the boxes are set up internally, how their logic is constructed.
> On the plus side, in the process of owning these effect modelers, I have come across other gear
>that does the job much more simply and directly, not to mention sounding better to boot.  So I
>have a debt of gratitude for those humble Line 6 boxes.  They taught me that there are ways to
>achieve what I want, in ways that work for me, and with some patience I will find that way for
>myself.  (anyone interested in a used FM-4 or MM-4?)
>
>     I am still struggling with my Roland GR-33 and my Axon AX100-SB guitar synths.  The Axon is
>far more powerful and far more difficult for me to work with.  The Roland is more of a Plug'n'Play
>module, with crappier tracking and sounds, yet the footboard controls make parts of it more
>accessable.  They both rely on small LCD screens and way too many menus to scroll through, not to
>mention Owner's Manuals that were written by aliens...  The bottom line may turn out that they are
>not worth the trouble for me.  The jury is not out yet.
>
>     And with all that Electrix has gone through in the last few years, the bugs and
>inconsistencies and ultimate demise that is their legacy, ya still gotta love 'em.  I have all 6
>of the Electrix modules, (indeed it seems like a modular synthesizer from the old days), and I
>wouldn't trade them for anything.  One quick look at the rack and I know intimately what is
>happening to my sound.
>
>     In none of this discussion do I mean to imply that either right or left brain approaches are
>superior to one another, or that one way of working is mo bettah than another way.  I'm interested
>in hearing from people what works for them.
>
>     Cheers,
>
>          SVG
>
>
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Matt check out www.chicagoreader.com this is the website for the Chicago
Reader probably the best known weekly entertainment publication in town.

A great club near downtown is The Hot House, I've heard some great Jazz
there. They should have an ad in the reader.

welcome to chicago!

kevin
Brother Sean
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> Hey everyone,
>
> I'm going to be in Chicago on a business trip from wednesday 10/2 to
> tuesday, 10/8. Are there any evening music events that I shouldn't miss
that
> are somewhere near downtown? (This'll be my first time in the city, and
I'll
> be staying somewhat near the Navy Pier.
>
> I found the "Chicago NOW" list, and found there's an experimental/noise
show
> on sunday, but alas it's during the daytime.
>
> Matt Davignon
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> Does anyone know if there is a midi pedal board that works as a MOMENTARY
> switch instead of a TOGGLE?  I have a Korg KARMA that has 4 chord buttons
> that respond to CC # 87 - 90. I am looking for a pedal board that will
> trigger as a momentary switch. EX.  when you press the pedal it
> starts chord.
> When you release pedal the chord stops ( Most midi boards work as toggle,
> meaning you must press once to engage and another time to release chord.).

(I'll speak somewhat out of turn, here, since I don't have either of these
devices...)

I assume that the KARMA chord buttons are triggered ON with a CC above a
threshold value and OFF when the same CC's value falls below a given
threshold.  In other words, it works just like a note-on/-off pair except
that it's a CC message instead.

I'd think the Behringer FCB0101 set for note-on/-off operation coupled to a
MIDI Solutions Mapper would work.

The FCB0101 sends a note-on on press and a note-off on release.  The Mapper
converts the note-on/-off to CC messages.

Behringer FCB0101:
http://www.behringer.com/02_products/prodindex.cfm?id=FCB1010&lang=eng

MIDI Solutions Mapper:
http://www.midisolutions.com/prodmap.htm


- Dennis Leas



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Paul,

The Rocktron All Access pedal can be programmed so such.  When the footswitch is
pressed the "on" control value is sent, when released, the "off" value is sent.

Matt

Ppaulpadam@aol.com wrote:

> Hello
>
> Does anyone know if there is a midi pedal board that works as a MOMENTARY
> switch instead of a TOGGLE?  I have a Korg KARMA that has 4 chord buttons
> that respond to CC # 87 - 90. I am looking for a pedal board that will
> trigger as a momentary switch. EX.  when you press the pedal it starts chord.
> When you release pedal the chord stops ( Most midi boards work as toggle,
> meaning you must press once to engage and another time to release chord.).
>
> Many Thanks
>
> Paul Adams
>
> MP3.com/PaulAdams
> 
> 
> MP3.com/DavidHoffman

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Hey...can men attend the Women's Looping Festival?  Perhaps my wife can
smuggle me in.

"Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote:

> I am extremely pleased to announce the
> 1st WOMAN's LOOPING FESTIVAL
>
> (produced by myself with funds from the SJMA)
>
> to be held at the
> SAN JOSE MUSEUM of ART
> http://www.sjmusart.org/index.phtml
>
> 110 South Market Street
> San Jose, CA 95113
> 408-271-6840
>
> FRIDAY,  OCTOBER 4th   at 8 p.m.
>
> Special guest artist will be one of the most talked about loopers at
> the recent Y2K2 LOOPFEST in Santa Cruz earlier this summer:
>
> AMY X NEUBURG
>
> with:
>
> Loopers Delight regular contributor
> GODDESS  (guitar looper from Colorado)
>
> UNITY NGUYEN (West African/Vietnamese fusion looper)
>
> DARK MUSE (aka Phyll Smith)
> (dark ambient/found sound multi-instrumentalist/singer)
>   also a big hit at the Y2K2 LOOPFEST
>
> and
>
> JESSIE ROSE (aka Audio Goddess)(Audio Madness)
>
> contact the musuem for further information.
>
> Thanks a lot............please come support this historic event!!
>
> yours,  Rick Walker (aka Loop.pooL)
>
> Woman looping artists interested in getting involved with next years
> festival should
> send a CD/dat/minidisc or cassette recording to:
>
> Purple Hand Productions:
> c/o Rick Walker (aka, loop.pool)
> 412 Darwin Street
> Santa Cruz, California
> USA      95062-2629

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Paul,

The Rocktron All Access pedal can be programmed so such.  When the
footswitch is
pressed the "on" control value is sent, when released, the "off" value
is sent.

Matt

Ppaulpadam@aol.com wrote:

> Hello
>
> Does anyone know if there is a midi pedal board that works as a MOMENTARY
> switch instead of a TOGGLE?  I have a Korg KARMA that has 4 chord buttons
> that respond to CC # 87 - 90. I am looking for a pedal board that will
> trigger as a momentary switch. EX.  when you press the pedal it starts chord.
> When you release pedal the chord stops ( Most midi boards work as toggle,
> meaning you must press once to engage and another time to release chord.).
>
> Many Thanks
>
> Paul Adams
>
> MP3.com/PaulAdams
> 
> 
> MP3.com/DavidHoffman

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In a message dated 9/26/02 11:03:19 PM, finleysound@earthlink.net writes:

<< Paul,

The Rocktron All Access pedal can be programmed so such.  When the
footswitch is
pressed the "on" control value is sent, when released, the "off" value
is sent. >>

Many Thanks!!!  Will investigate!

PA

MP3.com/PaulAdams


MP3.com/DavidHoffman(Ray Charles)

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I forwarded Per Boysen's response to the "Pictures While Playing"
thread to my friend cheryl o and she tried to respond - but it was
rejected as she's not a LD subscriber - so I thought I'd pass her
remarks along. BTW - here's a link to the "Sounds Assembling"
piece she mentions: http://www.mala.bc.ca/~mcneil/gal096.htm

Cheers,
Scott M2

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----- Original Message ----- 
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Subject: Playing the Pictures


I have never corresponded with your site before, but I just had to 
respond to the comment that Per Boysen made about playing the 
pictures he sees.  This is cheryl o of cellojuice.com, and I was 
really blown away with Per's description of what he sees when he 
plays his music.  I, too, play what I see, not the other way around, 
and his line about geometrical shapes and colours was exactly like 
mine.  Sometimes I see jagged shapes, sometimes round, but
always I find that I am striving to recreate what I have already seen. 
Interestingly, I too was not exposed to music (or television) as a 
child.  Any relationship?

I once described my visions to my good friend and colleague Scott M2 
of Dreamstate, and he fished out a clipping of artist Bertram 
Brooker, and pointed me towards his paintings. You can see some of 
his paintings online,  check out particularly Alleluiah, and Sounds 
Assembling. Even the titles made me gasp.  These are my visions. 
This is what I play.
 
 cheryl_o@cellojuice.com
http://www.cellojuice.com



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Hi All,

I recently posted a new version of Ambiloop.  New
features include MIDI control, session and
configuration load/save, mix-to-track, reverb, and
metronome count-off and auto-mute.  Chris Roberts
contributed quite a lot to the new release, writing
the MIDI control code and more.  It's available for
download here:

http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/download.html

Thanks,

-Chris MacDonald

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On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 04:58  PM, S V G wrote:

>
>      After just posting that last bit on the FCB1010 MIDI pedal, I 
> started ruminating a bit on the
> process that I go through as a musician in developing a relationship 
> to my gear.

I used to totally be a "stomp box guy" until I started playing/singing 
in a pop band.  I quickly realized that the "dance" I had to do to go 
from a clean chorus sound to a heavily distorted lead sound with delay 
was too much to deal with.  I ended up buying my first rack mounted 
multi effects processor then.  My lack of money caused me to sell my 
stomp boxes to buy the ART SGX2000.  I guess it was OK, and it did, in 
fact, do things that my current boxes don't do, but I missed my boxes 
when ever I was home alone just playing or doing some loose improv 
stuff with friends.  I still do!

On the other hand, I don't miss the noise and large floor board the 
stomp boxes are famous for.  It's all a trade off for sure.  I couldn't 
do what I need to do with stomp boxes anymore.  Most had no easy way to 
control settings with your foot.  Unless you bought an expensive 
router, you were stuck with the configuration you set up unless you 
were  going to start pulling cables in the middle of a show.  Now I 
have stuff that does all this in software.  I press a foot switch and 
I've got a new amp, and a half a dozen stomp boxes all configured 
exactly as I like, AND I can control any of the parameters with a 
pedal.  That's right *ANY* parameter.  Often multiple parameters at a 
time with one pedal.  Try that with a bunch of stomp boxes.  WHERE IS 
YOUR GOD NOW?

And some multi effects processors are for sure better than others.  My 
Digitech 2120 SUCKS to program, though I now know it intimately.  I 
wouldn't have designed it the way they did.  Judging by the new stuff 
Digitech is putting out (GNX line) they wouldn't either.  All their new 
stuff uses a "matrix" editor, like the EDP and AdrenaLinn.  This makes 
it way easier to program on the fly, even with a tiny LED display.  
Electrix got it right, but I think the world is going toward better UI 
in the world of audio gear.  It can only get better!

My advise is to spend some time getting to know your clunky Roland 
interfaces.  Once you start understanding their nature, it will all get 
a lot easier.  It just takes some time.

Mark Sottilaro

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Hi Guys,
I managed to cadge a projector which I used in a gig last night running
cthuga, (an oscilloscope on acid) - now while cthuga is an excellent prog,
it's very old so I was wondering if antone here is aware of a modern
equivalent - pereferably one that responds to music.
ps
the visuals went down a storm with the, (miniscule) audience!

Gareth

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On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 07:30  PM, Ritsu Katsumata wrote:
>
> 1) is this the only one that can loop more than one track at a time 
> (live) -- so, if I want to do a 4 beat loop on 1 track, then an 8 beat 
> loop on track 2, etc.--  or are there others that can do this > (easily)?

Uh, the Repeater can't do that either.  It's got 4 tracks per loop, but 
they all have to be exactly the same length.  Of course, you can make 
and store up to 99 loops of different sizes and toggle between them if 
you want.  You can do a bunch on the EDP this way too.

>
> 2) what's the best foot control to get for it?  I'm going to be using 
> it live, so there's no time to fuss with buttons and knobs.

Looks like the Behringer FCP1010 is the best thing on the market for 
the price right now.  There are better MIDI controllers out there, but 
they cost as much or more than the things they're controlling!

>
> Thanks again--
>
> Ritsu
> http://www.ritsu.com
>

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I KNOW!  LET'S form a BOY BAND!  I'm sure with all this dance/loop talk 
we could come up with great choreography!  Maybe some pyro too!  I'm be 
the quiet one!

Mark Sottilaro

On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 02:48  AM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL 
wrote:

> Mark Sottilaro wrote:
>
> "Agreed.  This album is amazing.  It is making me want to do pop music
> again."
>
>
> Man, oh man, it must be in the air..........I am suddenly so in the 
> mood to
> play pop again.
>
> Not really loop oriented per se (except in the minimalistic discipline 
> of
> the rhythm section which is really into reproducing their parts)but I 
> am in
> love with the new
> COLDPLAY CD and tonight, just purchased the new BECK and the new PETER
> GABRIEL (which I will deliciously wait until tomorrow to listen to).
>
> Uh oh.............he's not going to start playing trapset again is he?
>
> He he he!!!!!
>
>
> Rock On, Loopers!
>
> yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool)
>
>
>

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Paul Adams wondered:
Does anyone know if there is a midi pedal board that works as a MOMENTARY
switch instead of a TOGGLE?  I have a Korg KARMA that has 4 chord buttons
that respond to CC # 87 - 90. I am looking for a pedal board that will
trigger as a momentary switch. EX.  when you press the pedal it starts
chord.
When you release pedal the chord stops ( Most midi boards work as toggle,
meaning you must press once to engage and another time to release chord.).

>>It's gotta be:
The fabulous PMC-10 by Digitech, long discontinued but still available
occasionally on eBay etc.
Andre's got one--
I use the momentary function to start record, then end record with overdub
on the EDP--also for setting the length of the loop in quantized mode--and
the stupid reverse guitar thing I should have demonstrated in Santa
Cruz--hey maybe I'll throw that into Margaritaville tomorrow night :)
Still however haven't figured out what to use enhanced mode for--

Come to think of it, the Roland PK-5 will do it too--
And you get a set of bass pedals for free!
Gary

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i thought we WERE playing pop music ??

Mark Sottilaro wrote:

> I KNOW!  LET'S form a BOY BAND!  I'm sure with all this dance/loop talk
> we could come up with great choreography!  Maybe some pyro too!  I'm be
> the quiet one!
>
> Mark Sottilaro
>
> On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 02:48  AM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL
> wrote:
>
> > Mark Sottilaro wrote:
> >
> > "Agreed.  This album is amazing.  It is making me want to do pop music
> > again."
> >
> >
> > Man, oh man, it must be in the air..........I am suddenly so in the
> > mood to
> > play pop again.
> >
> > Not really loop oriented per se (except in the minimalistic discipline
> > of
> > the rhythm section which is really into reproducing their parts)but I
> > am in
> > love with the new
> > COLDPLAY CD and tonight, just purchased the new BECK and the new PETER
> > GABRIEL (which I will deliciously wait until tomorrow to listen to).
> >
> > Uh oh.............he's not going to start playing trapset again is he?
> >
> > He he he!!!!!
> >
> >
> > Rock On, Loopers!
> >
> > yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool)
> >
> >
> >

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The Roland FC-200 will work as a momentary controller. I was surprised when
a survey of controllers revealed how few had this feature.

Mark

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Matthias said

> we got a pile of different brains of different phases of evolutions 
>  and they dont colaborate perfectly,

Amazing,
and in different people (&at different times) one or
other of these 'different brains' dominates.
(which explains a lot)

We should make music that appeals to
the 'rational/compassionate brain'.
(or what should it be called)

andy butler 

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  Not exactly sure how the DBeam is laid out on the Handsonic, but on the
505 I can keep the value at a particular spot by sswitching the mode and
then turning the  controller off.  The MC-505 has the on/off button for the
DBeam, and a button which cycles through three modes from the front panel.
so I'll first find the position I want, and then press the mode button,
followed by the on/off button to disengage the controller.  -Best of luck...  

Smiles,

CQ

At 10:09 PM 9/26/02 EDT, you wrote:
>     I use the Roland Handsonic quite a bit in dance classes. It does some
>wonderful things, and some cheesy things. I guess cheesy can be useful too.
>Although I have not been using the sequencer in it for classes, I can see
>how it may be able to be utilized. You can assign sequences to be triggered
>by pads. You can control the tempo either by the dial, or one of the ribbon
>controllers. Although you can use the DBeam for this as well, you would
>have to hold your hand there. I don't think that there is any other way to
>hold the DBeam's value. 
>     Marc
> 
> In a message dated 9/26/2002 5:21:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>sine@zerocrossing.net writes:
> 
> 
> 
> The Roland family of drum machines are really good in terms of having
realtime
>  Either via "Tap", slider or even the IR "D" beam
>  These are totally useful when trying to synch to recordings or
>  They also have a wide complement of synth sounds and samples
> making them much more than a drum machine.
> 
> Mark Sottilaro
> 
> Matthias Grob wrote:
> 
>>
>> I hate drum machines, personally, but from all the demands by the
>> instructors for quickly changing times and speeds it seems to me that
>> for a begginner at least, the easiest would be to take a notebook
>> along with a library of drum patterns that can be mounted as the
>> instructor explains what he wants and then freely adapted as he
>> changes his mind.
>
> 
> 


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I'm discovering that Vegas Video is really cool, too.  If you buy it  as an 
upgrade from Video Factory (wink,wink - nudge, nudge) or another Sonic 
Foundry product, you can save $150 or so.

Those cats do good work.  I'd hate to see them go the way of Electrix.

-Hans


At 20:45 26/09/2002, you wrote:
>for all you PC looping composers out there:
>
>
>Because I love this software so much I wanted to
>alert L.D.ers to the fact the Sonic Foundry is
>offering $99 upgrades (to anyone who already
>owns 2.0 or 3.0) to their latest version of
>ACID (4.0)plus a free version of Sound Forge Studio 6)
>  for the next four or five days only.
>I believe that first time users are offered the
>price of $199 which is way, way below their normal
>price of $499.
>
>I just love the software.  I used it extensively on
>my first CD and used it for editing on my live CD.
>It is the most intuitive and easy to use software
>available on the market IMHO
>
>Also, I have no affiliation
>at all with Sonic Foundry.
>
>I have heard, however that they
>have had capitalization problems in the last year so they can use
>our support.
>
>Just thinking about how sad I am that ELECTRIX went out of
>business, I only wish that more people who had considered buying
>that unit had.
>
>This is a killer price for an incredible piece of software (available,
>regretfully on WINDOWS platfrom only).
>
>I just bought it.
>
>yours,   Rick Walker
>
>
>the info if you are interested:
>
>+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
>Upgrade any version of ACID PRO to ACID PRO 4.0!
>Download the upgrade for only $99.95 (now version 4.0a).
>http://www.sonicfoundry.com/promo.asp?keycode=6949
>
>Order the boxed version of ACID PRO 4.0 for $99.95 and choose
>one of the following:
>
>FREE!
>
>· Sound Forge Studio 6, a $99 value!
>· Classic 8Packs Loops for ACID loop library, a $59 value!
>
>http://www.sonicfoundry.com/promo.asp?keycode=6950
>
>ALL OFFERS EXPIRE SEPTEMBER 30.  Don't delay.
>Get ACID PRO 4.0 now.
>
>+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
>
>New features in ACID PRO 4.0 include:
>
>· VST Instrument support:  play back your MIDI tracks through
>    classic synths, filters, and effects.
>· ASIO driver support:  get lower latency for
>    faster results.
>· Plug-In Effects Automation:  new parameters and
>    controls let you create a wide range of sounds.
>· Alternate time signatures:  explore new
>    musical genres
>· 5.1 Surround Mixing:  The perfect mixing environment for scoring
>    your digital video productions and other surround sound projects.
>· MIDI piano roll editing:  display and edit MIDI
>    tracks just like in a sequencer.
>· MIDI step recording:  record MIDI notes and add
>    events in ACID:  gain complete control.
>· MIDI event list editing:  view, filter, and edit
>    parameters directly inside ACID!
>· Master, auxiliary, and effects bus tracks: set
>    track effect parameters, volume, and panning for
>    your entire ACID project via additional track enhancements


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> I KNOW!  LET'S form a BOY BAND!  I'm sure with all this dance/loop talk
> we could come up with great choreography!  Maybe some pyro too!  I'm be
> the quiet one!
>

Can I pretend to be the rough, one-step-from-a-fight "EastEnders" type?
[snicker]


> On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 02:48  AM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL
> wrote:
>
> > Mark Sottilaro wrote:
> >
> > "Agreed.  This album is amazing.  It is making me want to do pop music
> > again."
> >
> >
> > Man, oh man, it must be in the air..........I am suddenly so in the
> > mood to
> > play pop again.
> >
> > Not really loop oriented per se (except in the minimalistic discipline
> > of
> > the rhythm section which is really into reproducing their parts)but I
> > am in
> > love with the new
> > COLDPLAY CD and tonight, just purchased the new BECK and the new PETER
> > GABRIEL (which I will deliciously wait until tomorrow to listen to).
> >
> > Uh oh.............he's not going to start playing trapset again is he?
> >
> > He he he!!!!!
> >
> >
> > Rock On, Loopers!
> >
> > yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool)
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

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"Gareth Whittock"  opined:

> Hi Guys,
> I managed to cadge a projector which I used in a gig last night running
> cthuga, (an oscilloscope on acid) - now while cthuga is an excellent prog,
> it's very old so I was wondering if antone here is aware of a modern
> equivalent - pereferably one that responds to music.
> ps
> the visuals went down a storm with the, (miniscule) audience!

I started out with the good old Psychedelic Screen Saver - and marvelled at
the graphics however primitive at the time (1998?) - later seeing a
performance by Blur at the MTTV (as in "Empty TV") Music Awards where one
could see it obviously running on the displays surrounding the stage.  I
all-too-briefly adopted the use of it in several performances before leaving
(snif! pout) the LA area in 2000, but decided that at some stage I'd need a
laptop instead of lugging my entire &#$ system around each time (it's just a
matter of time before your monitor gets fragged, eh?).  I also decided that
I needed a good projector to pull this off, but at $3000 a pop for a good
one, well, it's tempting to just hope wherever you're playing has one
instead.  THEY'VE usually got that kind of lettuce to spend.

After coming to the UK, of course, the sound-reactive screen effects program
biz seems to have expanded a bit.  (whine) much like the looping/ambient
music scene where I used to live.  First the Hypnogenic version of the
Psychedelic Screen Saver started popping up on OEM PCs in some stores.  This
one was much better, with TRAILS, man. :)

After Winamp started producing their AVS plugins, it upped the stakes I
think.  The graphics were very much like the Hypnogenic SS, flowing and very
sound-reactive.  Within months both Windows Media Player and Real's Player
were sporting "graphic displays" that were optionally sound-reactive.

Winamp and the Synthesoft (Psych, Hypno) products had something on both the
big boys though.  You could have your line in used for the source signal,
instead of whatever media file/CD you were playing.  I wouldn't touch Real's
product with a twenty-meter cattle prod, nor the Win Media Player in its
current revision (it doesn't loop, but instead repeat with an awful gap!
ugh!).

To their detriment, Winamp's current installation places a whole load of AOL
spam links on your machine.  One can remove them, though.  To their credit,
the graphics are quite advanced, though I'm not too sure they've gotten the
bugs out of the sound-reactive "beat detection" module.  I also get the
impression that Winamp is joining in the turf war for your desktop with the
WM and Real players, which IMNSHO lowers my opinion of the product.  I still
use it to play CDs and some media files though, and some of the included
plugin graphics are superb in version 3.

On Synthesoft's side - and I think theirs is still the only one to do this -
one can easily program sound reactivity with respect to specific areas of
the audio spectrum, in a huge variety of ways.  Also, you don't have to
bring on all this overhead just to have the graphics running in
sound-reactive mode.

http://www.synthesoft.com is where this one is.  I don't think I need to
tell you where Winamp and the rest are, do I? :)  I'll always champion the
individual developer in this regard.  Tell 'em I sentcha!

(By the way, as a self-plug, I've just about finished my first CD cover work
for a pal of mine, who operates under the name El Queso Allstars.  Warning!
It's material designed to "enturbulate" certain members of a nazi
mind-control cult, and also contains uh, explicit lyrics.  But I like the
opportunity to strut my stuff graphically, and when I have permission to do
so I'll post a URL where you can see it.)

S.P. Goodman
EarthLight Productions
*
http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations!
http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine!

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cheryl o" 
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Sent: Thursday, 26 September, 2002 12:04 PM
Subject: Playing the Pictures


> I have never corresponded with your site before, but I just had to 
> respond to the comment that Per Boysen made about playing the 
> pictures he sees.  This is cheryl o of cellojuice.com, and I was 
> really blown away with Per's description of what he sees when he 
> plays his music.  I, too, play what I see, not the other way around, 
> and his line about geometrical shapes and colours was exactly like 
> mine.  Sometimes I see jagged shapes, sometimes round, but always I
find that I > am striving to recreate what I have already seen. 
> Interestingly, I too was not exposed to music (or television) as a 
> child.  Any relationship?


Ahh, very interesting! How could I forget about television! Truth is I
never saw a telly until I was six. 

Once I read about the "archetypes of Jung" and I was thinking that
knowing sound and harmony as 3d shapes/colors may be built into the
human operating system ("brain" or whatever there is that keeps us
going). I have also been thinking about how easy it would be to teach
people to play instruments if you start out from these common archetypes
instead of starting with scores, notes and scales. How about that? ;-)

Best wishes

Per Boysen
__________________________________
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CYCLOOPS Sampler 3
http://perso.club-internet.fr/perille

Mark Sottilaro a écrit :

> On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 07:30  PM, Ritsu Katsumata wrote:
> >
> > 1) is this the only one that can loop more than one track at a time
> > (live) -- so, if I want to do a 4 beat loop on 1 track, then an 8 beat
> > loop on track 2, etc.--  or are there others that can do this > (easily)?
>
> Uh, the Repeater can't do that either.  It's got 4 tracks per loop, but
> they all have to be exactly the same length.  Of course, you can make
> and store up to 99 loops of different sizes and toggle between them if
> you want.  You can do a bunch on the EDP this way too.
>
> >
> > 2) what's the best foot control to get for it?  I'm going to be using
> > it live, so there's no time to fuss with buttons and knobs.
>
> Looks like the Behringer FCP1010 is the best thing on the market for
> the price right now.  There are better MIDI controllers out there, but
> they cost as much or more than the things they're controlling!
>
> >
> > Thanks again--
> >
> > Ritsu
> > http://www.ritsu.com
> >

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> The Roland FC-200 will work as a momentary controller. I was surprised when
>  a survey of controllers revealed how few had this feature.
> 




Beware though, if you want to send Note-Ons 
then you can only do it from a keyboard type layout
of buttons, you can't program which note number you want.

...and it seems to only work on one MIDI channel !!!! 

Won't send a mixture of Prog Change, CC, Noteon
from the same bank
as it has a separate Mode to send each of these independently.

Only got this info by pestering the poor 'guy in the shop'
so maybe not 100% accurate, though we did get the manual out.

Costs more than Twice the Behringer FCB1010,
(which it resembles in appearance)

...but it has about six programmable expression pedal inputs, 
(and one ped onboard) 
(but remember these are probably all on the same channel)

Matthias tells me that MIDI pedals made by big companies
are designed by the apprentices and the idiots.


 

andy butler

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Kim mentionned a mod for the old Oberheim branded EDPs where 2 resistors
need to be changed in order to improve the I/O gain, does anybody know where
I could find those resistors? Radio shack has some, but only 5%, and not
metal. Also the front knobs are missing on my unit, anybody knows a source
to find the original knobs, or at least ressembling ones?
Thanks in advance!

-- 
Laurent Brondel
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[ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ]

EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday
at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton,
PA and Phillipsburg, NJ.

                    Show #288                    September 26, 2002.


RECAP:
On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Rudy Adrian, a New Zealander
who visited the US this month and played at The Gathering on the 21st.  The
Featured CD at midnight was "Kinetic Flow - Sequencer Sketches Volume 1" on the
Groove label.

The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Mosaique" by Robert Schroder on the Racket
Records label.

I played the music of artists who will be performing at the next Gathering,
which will feature Jeff Pearce with Mike Griffin and Dave Fulton.

Rudy Adrian    http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#sep
The Gathering  http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html


PLAYLIST:

ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
======================= ======================== ==============================
11:04 pm
Robert Schroder         Utopia                   Mosaique (Racket Records)
Jeff Pearce             Opening                  Songs for the Gathering (none)
Mike Griffin and        Opposite Horizon         The Most Distant Point Known
  Dave Fulton                                      (Hypnos)
Syn                     Freefall                 Soundwave Traveller (Spheric)
Orbital Decay           exerpt from the 12-27-01 Lice on EMUSIC (none)
                        broadcast of EMUSIC
Paul Ellis and          Sequencer Fest *         Various Cuts (none)
 Craig Padilla

12:00 am
Rudy Adrian             Coming Home              Iridescence (Groove)
Rudy Adrian             The Legacy of Luxor      Iridescence (Groove)
Rudy Adrian             Turquoise                Iridescence (Groove)
Rudy Adrian             Le Songe du Singe        Iridescence (Groove)
Rudy Adrian             Happy Memories           Iridescence (Groove)
Rudy Adrian             Luxor Revisited *        Iridescence (Groove)

1:00 am

 * = exerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)


NEXT SHOW:
On the next EMUSIC, I'll start a month-long focus on Jeff Pearce who uses the
guitar to create synth-like soundscapes.  The Featured CD at Midnight will be
"The Light Beyond" on the Hypnos label.

The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "White Noise 2" by David Vorhaus on
the Virgin label.

I will play the music of artists who will be performing at the next Gathering,
which will feature Jeff Pearce with Mike Griffin and Dave Fulton.


Bill
===============================================================================
Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space  music  show.   Thursdays  at
11  pm  on  WDIY  88.1  FM,  Allentown  and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
Phillipsburg.     http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic
Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown  91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am.
Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30.
http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm          http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow
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Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill
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SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Fox" 
> [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ]
>                     Show #288                    September 26, 2002.
>
> ARTIST                  TRACK                    ALBUM (label)
> ======================= ========================
==============================
> Orbital Decay           exerpt from the 12-27-01 Lice on EMUSIC (none)
>                         broadcast of EMUSIC

Er, um...  That's LIVE.  WDIY is a very clean place and EMUSIC is a clean
show...   REALLY!  Trust me!  They are!  We have no lice.  HONEST...   :-)

Cheers,

Bill

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WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 report to
New Age Voice and CD Revolutions for September, 2002.
Shows #285 to #288; 5-September-2002 to 26-September-2002
Reported in non-ranked order.
Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net

CONTACT:   billfox@fast.net
           http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic


ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL
============================
Bjorn Lynne - Colony - none
Brent A. Reiland and John Lyell - Wormholes - Solarwind
Diatonis - Edge of the Dream - none
James Johnson - The Butterfly Chamber - Hypnos
Mike Griffin and Dave Fulton - The Most Distant Point Known - Hypnos
Navigator - Oceanic Empire - Groove
Omnimotion - Omnimotion - Waveform
Oophoi - Athlit - Hypnos
Paul Ellis - Live at the Alladin - none
Paul Ellis and Craig Padilla - Various Cuts - none
Paul Nagle - Red Book/Blue Book - Neu Harmony
Ricochet Musos - Okefenokee Dreams 2001 - Neu Harmony and Quantum
Robert Rich and Ian Boddy - Outpost - DiN
Rudy Adrian - Concerts in New Zealand - Quantum
Rudy Adrian - Iridescence - Groove
Rudy Adrian - Starfields - Groove
Steve Roach and Jeffery Fayman - Trance Spirits - Projekt
Syn - Soundwave Traveller - Spheric
Various Artists - Voodoo Roux Deux - Waveform
vidnaObmana and Joris De Backer - The Oblique Fusion - none

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No, I mean music that's popular, not music that's got popping sounds.

You can be the cute one.

Mark Sottilaro

On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 11:56  PM, das wrote:

> i thought we WERE playing pop music ??
>
> Mark Sottilaro wrote:
>
>> I KNOW!  LET'S form a BOY BAND!  I'm sure with all this dance/loop 
>> talk
>> we could come up with great choreography!  Maybe some pyro too!  I'll 
>> be
>> the quiet one!
>>
>> Mark Sottilaro
>>
>> On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 02:48  AM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mark Sottilaro wrote:
>>>
>>> "Agreed.  This album is amazing.  It is making me want to do pop 
>>> music
>>> again."
>>>
>>>
>>> Man, oh man, it must be in the air..........I am suddenly so in the
>>> mood to
>>> play pop again.
>>>
>>> Not really loop oriented per se (except in the minimalistic 
>>> discipline
>>> of
>>> the rhythm section which is really into reproducing their parts)but I
>>> am in
>>> love with the new
>>> COLDPLAY CD and tonight, just purchased the new BECK and the new 
>>> PETER
>>> GABRIEL (which I will deliciously wait until tomorrow to listen to).
>>>
>>> Uh oh.............he's not going to start playing trapset again is 
>>> he?
>>>
>>> He he he!!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> Rock On, Loopers!
>>>
>>> yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

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Do you think it's because Abelton's Live is gaining popularity?

Mark Sottilaro

On Friday, September 27, 2002, at 01:02  AM, armatronix wrote:
>
> Those cats do good work.  I'd hate to see them go the way of Electrix.
>
> -Hans

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We've found that audiences seem to love the movie "rescore".  Lately 
we've been using Tron.  Great eye candy, no dialog for people to miss.  
Easy to play electronica too.

Mark Sottilaro

On Friday, September 27, 2002, at 02:12  AM, Per Boysen wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
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>
>
>> I have never corresponded with your site before, but I just had to
>> respond to the comment that Per Boysen made about playing the
>> pictures he sees. 

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>I KNOW!  LET'S form a BOY BAND!  I'm sure with all this dance/loop talk
>we could come up with great choreography!  Maybe some pyro too!  I'm be
>the quiet one!
>
>Mark Sottilaro
>

I've long thought it might be fun to get a boy band that was a couple years
past their peak popularity and give them interesting music to do.  Sell the
notion to them as something to boost their respect among the critics and
describe it as their chance for immortality.

They generally ARE good singers; our problem with them is usually the
material and the packaging.

I've always loved a capella.  Maybe 'cuz I was in such a group in high
school.  (Tho we weren't pretty and didn't have sophisticated stage moves.)
---
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> > i thought we WERE playing pop music ??

dunno about you lot, I certainly am (most of the time - gig last night with
Franck Vigroux at the London Guitar Fest was about as pop as Derek Bailey,
but still...) - though a guy did come up to me at the 21st Century Schizoid
Band in Wolverhampton and say that he thought my stuff was a little
inaccessable - AT A KING CRIMSON GIG!!!!! What on earth was this guy on?
it's nearly all in 4/4, melody-led, diatonic to a fault - methinks he was
listening with his eyes not his ears... :o)

Last night of the Schizoid Tour is Monday at the QEH here  in London - come
and say hi if you're going. Great to meet some of you round the country...

Steve
www.steve-lawson.co.uk


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Re: linguistic abuse
Beautifully commented upon, Matthias. I have been suspicious of e-language
for a while; certain changes in language can be seen as evolutionary, but
culture prejudice seems so sad. Perhaps you (and other Loopers using English
as a second language) can comment upon the proliferation of u, b, 2, cuz,
wuz, etc. and how it makes you feel?
dB
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
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S V G wrote:
>Someone on
> another list recently made an excellent observation comparing physical
patchcords (like with the
> old style modular synthesizers) to LCD menu screens.  He said that the
patchcords are more "right
> brain", you can see at a glance what is going on and take actions from an
intuitive part of
> yourself in the patching process.
> LCD screens are more "left brain" and require you to enter a different way
of thinking in order to
> alter a patch.  Perhaps this way of thinking doesn't come easy for some
people (like myself).
    Absolutely agreed. Consider the quantity of "connections" in a
moderately complex multi-FX unit (dozens, if not hundreds), and how many
connections are actually available to the senses/hands at any one time
(perhaps as few as one!). It's very hard to make a decision about a complex
patch when an aspect of that patch exists beneath layers of LCD screens and
multi-function buttons. I end up drawing out maps of a unit's patch
structure just so I can get the "big picture." Good, versatile patches are
similarly drawn up so I can get a "feel" for their connections. I wonder if
others use this approach, and if such maps could be posted somewhere...
dB
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
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What country are you in?  Look in the phone book yellow pages under
'electronic parts'.
A search on google for 1/4 watt, 1% metal film resistor shows these
sources:
http://www.action-electronics.com/resist1p.htm
http://www.mouser.com/catalog/611/193.pdf
http://www.web-tronics.com/metfilres14w1.html
http://www.futurlec.com/Res14WMF.html

For knobs, contact Gibson, or again look at electronic parts houses
like mouser (listed above).
bret
--- Laurent Brondel  wrote:
> Kim mentionned a mod for the old Oberheim branded EDPs where 2
> resistors
> need to be changed in order to improve the I/O gain, does anybody
> know where
> I could find those resistors? Radio shack has some, but only 5%, and
> not
> metal. Also the front knobs are missing on my unit, anybody knows a
> source
> to find the original knobs, or at least ressembling ones?
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> -- 
> Laurent Brondel
> laurentbrondel@earthlink.net
> http://www.laurentbrondel.com
> 
> 


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Greetings Loopers,

  I am considering integrating a line mixer into my guitar rig,
  a-la the David Torn videos.   What is the going rate for the
  Passac Unity 8 mixer?  

  Does anyone have one they are looking to get rid of?

Thanks!

-jas
Albuquerque



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It might have more to do with the availability of cracked versions of their 
software.

-Hans


At 08:38 27/09/2002, you wrote:
>Do you think it's because Abelton's Live is gaining popularity?
>
>Mark Sottilaro
>
>On Friday, September 27, 2002, at 01:02  AM, armatronix wrote:
>>
>>Those cats do good work.  I'd hate to see them go the way of Electrix.
>>
>>-Hans


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Great, Rick!


>
>Loopers Delight regular contributor
>GODDESS  (guitar looper from Colorado)
>
>
>JESSIE ROSE (aka Audio Goddess)(Audio Madness)

in the past, the ladies were satisfied with being princess or saint
then in the 70ies the feminists wanted to be witches
and in the 80ies they rather were sacerdotizes... :-)

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Sorry, I did not see that when I posted my answer (because you 
screwed the subject, Hans ;-)

Amazing different answers. It seems that Hans understands that the 
two bars of the original loop are equal... are they, Arthur?

>Arthur,
>
>I'll assume that you're not syncing to a drum machine, since in that
>case what you want to do would be automatic with Loop4.
>
>One simple way, which would work with any version of the Loop software,
>would be to end Record with Multiply after the first bar, and then to
>close the loop with Multiply (Roundmode=ON) at the end of the second
>bar.  This will create the loop as two cycles.  Then just multiply it
>out to 19.  This should also work if you're synced to a drum machine but
>using Loop3.
>
>In Loop4, you could set 8ths/Cycle to 2 with Quantize=8ths, record it as
>a two-bar cycle, and then when you multiply it out end Multiply with
>Record during the 19th cycle (the cycle count will read 9).  This will
>redefine the loop as a single cycle, so you would then have to change
>8ths/cycle to 19 to be able to quantize to the end of each bar.  I'd
>probably go with the first method.
>
>
>Happy Camping,
>
>-Hans
>
>
>P.S. Thanks Andre :)
>
>
>>  Does anyone know if there is a way to have the Multiply function
>>  quantize to
>>  odd bar multiples?
>>  E.G. Say you have a 2 bar drum loop and you use the multiply function
>>  for a
>>  song that is, say, 19 bars long. Is there a way you can get the
>>  Multiply to
>>  quantize the extra bar (since it's not a multiple of 2) so you don't
>>  have a
>>  bar of silence until the next multiple of 2 cycles around?
>>
>>  I would be one happy camper if it could pull that off!
>>
>>  -Arthur Lee


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>Dr. Z said...
>>I think most people don't even think about what words literally 
>>mean; they just mimic what they hear other people say.
>
>At 7:18 PM -0300 9/26/02, Matthias Grob wrote:
>>This is especially true for foreign languages.

Dr. Z again:
>...One thing I find myself doing is to fall into the cadence of the 
>other person's language, so I end up speaking English with the other 
>person's accent. It's quite unintentional!

someone once explained me that they call this a disease!
I have that too, especially with the swiss accents, and sometime 
people become offended because they feel we are joking, while its 
basically a nice approach effort, no?

>
>But when the conversation is in ASCII most of the time there IS no 
>cultural context, and there is certainly no aural sense of an 
>accent. What might in person be a charming "flavor" to the 
>conversation seems in plain text to be a bit clumsy. This is 
>sometimes misinterpreted, and proper respect isn't always given to 
>the foreign writer of English. I've been guilty of it. Most of the 
>time there's an easy way to avoid making that anglocentric mistake - 
>just look at the return address.

you, guilty? exactly you? No...

Hans then:
>After having met Matthias, I find myself reading his e-mails with my 
>best impersonation of his accent, and now they all make perfect 
>sense!
>
>I know that I'm guilty of assuming the meanings of and/or misusing 
>musical terminology, having not been classically trained.

And I am guilty of not beeing understood by those who have not met me? :-)
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>     I have several looping jams I've used while making love, but no more. I
>found it too distracting - I kept going "into the recording," finding myself
>being where the recording took place and not in the moment with my partner.

I know what you mean! It depends a lot on the age of the recording, though.
Listen to it more, so the thoughts related to its creation come and 
go and then try it again!

>On the other hand, I sent one C90 cassette of sexy loops to my nephew who
>said it was really good for him - he had no "other experience" to distract
>him.

lucky one... and the rest of the world? How about some CD-Rs :-) ?

>     I visualize loops as painting. Frippy violin-like slow-rise slow-decay
>sounds are water colors; precise rhythmic Steve Reich stuff is Mondrian;
>non-sync'd rhythmic stuff is Cubism; bright tones are yellow; G major is a
>healing green. And I visualize loops as traveling. High feedback is like
>rising over a landscape, low feedback is like travelling along a road. Fast
>repetition is like fast motion; slow is like slow motion. Deliberately
>overlaying a new sound upon an old sound is like turning a corner and having
>a tree obscure the view of a lake...

right, this all sounds familiar to me. Its not that I could not feel 
it, but I dont *see* it.

[  Hm. Now I realize that Goddess got me. To imagine the feeling is 
enough to create couple music. So I was rather interested in the 
voyeristic satisfaction than the music 
I will have to pay for that - just wait, I will come up with 
something. LOL... ]

Besides, I am rather looking for another kinds of associations:

God: a deep drone
The Healing Energy: quirling mixture of rather high pitched quick melodies
to Give is a melody down
to Grow: a melody up
to Work: steady beat
Love: romantic melodic
Tension: disharmony
Hate: free tonal melody
Domination: a fat harmony
...

Recently someone wanted music for a war story. I felt the phases:
- the reason: some disharmonic clusters growing
- the motivation: Marsh music, a heavy pulse with euphoric brass
- the act: maybe still the same rhythm but different wild melodies 
and screaming dist.
- the result: some muddy drone and shrieking sounds

I mean: Anyone could come up with something similar, because the 
music has some absolute meanings to it. We got global musical 
archetypes. Lets use them to communicate!

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Funny: I wrote this one about a month ago and suddenly had doubts 
whether it is just a point of vew, but now suddenly you talk about 
water, too, so I throw it in.
As to the observation to the elements, sex would rather be associated 
with fire...
Do the loops extinguish fire? ;-) - nono, we can easily go too far 
with this, but some observations may be interesting...

What does it so much have to do with water?

Fripp called an early family of (classic?) loop pieces watermusic...

A big part of my listeners kept relating my music to water, so I 
created some more clearly water related sounds and gave it the name 
AguArianA, mainly "para pensar" which is recorded near the San 
Francisco river...

Last year I came to Switzerland with the idea to play at a lake side 
for sundown - and I managed to do it a few times (although its in 
general against the law to play any amplified music outdoors!) and 
repeated this year. I hope it slowly turns into a ritual (recently I 
am only interested in doing things that have some of this energy).
Then i realzed that Mich Gerber, the contrabassist that makes most 
success with looping did a tour through the lake sides, after 
sundown, though. Fits. Nice fragile music...

Also Stefan Keller had mounted a show with his flutes in a almost empty pool.
I also visited him this year and we had a laugh when we both played 
similar water sounds on totally different instruments with different 
processing...

Rick Walker also played water nicely in Berkeley last year...

Ok, some musicians play with air all the time ;-)
Do we play earth when we hit a skin?
Firy music does not sound like fire to me. I rather hear distorted chords...

Either I simply tend to the watery wing of the loopers family
or the loopy structures remind of water because its the element that 
creates visible waves most obviously.
the whind is not repetitive easily, is it? But it creates dunes...
actually I did associate loops to desert before, I named a piece "hot 
sand" (is on my site) and another "deserto"...
Sound is a wave in air... but not seen
a small fire sounds somehow similar to a small waterfall...

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Stephan:
>Perhaps the word "mimic" is too confusing - but you can't necessarily say
>that a Zoom 2100 or an EDP is nature.  Perhaps the manner in which we use it
>would be described as mimicry to an extent.  That doesn't make it less than
>it is though.  I think of it in the manner that I consider the binary nature
>of our own thinking, and how this has become a pattern that shows itself in
>behavior, as well as computers.  We know that, in nature, there are often
>not two-sided situations, "black and white", but rather a full spectrum from
>one end to another.

and there is no 100% FeedBack in nature as far as I know!

Then again, the delighted Looper (thats not very specific here, would 
you mind to give us a name we could call you?) seems to be another 
good poet:
>Your assumption seems to be that nature is only constructive and
>positive (in whatever shades of meaning we derive from our particular
>culture).  "Viruses" are nature themselves.  A giant volcanic explosion
>is nature.  A giant meteor or comet hitting the Earth and killing off
>all the dinosaurs is nature.  Are you aware that more than 90% of all
>species that have ever lived are now extinct?  And if that is the
>pattern (loop?) of nature on Earth, guess what's our (humans') most
>probable destiny? 
>
>All loops vanish away.
>
>We *are* biochemical loops.  It's natural.  It's delightful!

I love that one!
So, to reduce FB means to turn loops natural!

To come back to topic: Everything in Nature seems to be finite, but 
the Nature itself may not be... and it seems to produce some kinds of 
energies that are infinite and loops may help to create them.
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Weg (engl.: way, track) said really beautifully:
>When I get into looping I find myself in a space that feels alive. 
>It breathes and reacts to my thoughts to a point that emotions roll 
>off my fingers onto the guitar travelling from deep inside to the 
>exterior sounds.  Sometimes it overwhelms me to a point that I fear 
>doing it "full time" but also crave it.  It is more than a drug, it 
>has become an essential passion that must be fulfilled constantly. 
>I have a hard time explaining it but it still feels bigger and I 
>feel it is still growing in me.  I hope it never ends

forget that worries, there is always something better waiting ;-)

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hi i finished a lo fi looper based in the tms3478nl voice recording chip,and 
a 41256 dram,used the schematic from the datasheet,i've found this chip in a 
local electronics shop here in Montevideo,where they xeroxed tge datasheet 
for me,couldn't find anithing in google about it,it's capable of up to 4 
minutes recording with four 1mb x 1 bit drams,16,32 or 64 khz sampling 
rate...sounds great...
i hope we can find those chips somewhere else in the world,because i bought 
the only three they had left...



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Whoopee!!!  I finally got my Repeater out of layaway last night!

I also got a very good deal on it that I thought I'd pass along to the 
list.  Here are the details:

I picked up my Repeater from Guitar Center here in Chicago, for $449.95 + 
tax.  The only way I got that deal was to point the guys at GC to 
http://www.musictoyz.com/electrix.htm where there are a very limited number 
(like, one) at that price.  Guitar Center will then honor a price-match for 
$449.95.  Otherwise the price at GC is $599.

I got my salesguy, Toby, to do a check and there are six Repeaters in the 
area available to him for store-to-store transfer.  These appear to be 
older units from backstock (mine booted up to OS 1.0, so now I need to get 
a card reader and upgrade) but are still new in the box.

If you're interested, call the Chicago Guitar Center @ 773-248-2808, and 
ask for Toby in Keyboards.  He should be able to get you a mail-order deal 
set up.  I'd hurry, though, because once those units are de-listed from 
Musictoyz, I don't think GC are under any obligation to price-match.

Good luck!  Now I'm off to figure out how to integrate my new toy into my 
rig.  Wheeee!

         -c-

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--- Steve Lawson  wrote:

> though a guy did come up to me at the 21st Century Schizoid
> Band in Wolverhampton and say that he thought my stuff was a little
> inaccessable - AT A KING CRIMSON GIG!!!!! What on earth was this guy on?
> it's nearly all in 4/4, melody-led, diatonic to a fault - methinks he was
> listening with his eyes not his ears... :o)

That's the problem! 4/4 IS inaccessable to the hardcore Crim affectionado.

Greg

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>>I sent one C90 cassette of sexy loops to my nephew ...
> lucky one... and the rest of the world? How about some CD-Rs :-) ?

I have made a promise to myself and others: I am working on a book ("Play
Guitar By Ear," which is a story in itself) and as soon as I am done with
it, I am going to return to playing in public, including looping. Once I
start that up, I will undoubtedly assemble some CD's. And you folks at LD
will hear about it as soon as it happens!
>
> Besides, I am rather looking for another kinds of associations:
>
> God: a deep drone [agreed! Perhaps natural overtone series brought forward
a bit]
> The Healing Energy: quirling mixture of rather high pitched quick melodies
[I like this!]
> to Give is a melody down [thought-provoking. I will try and see how it
feels]
> to Grow: a melody up [also thought-provoking. Must try]
> to Work: steady beat [I like to focus on a heartbeat-related pulse.
Internal, focused work at 60 bpm; brain work at 80-92 with lots of sixteenth
note activity; physical work/dance at 120-140; etc.]
> Love: romantic melodic
> Tension: disharmony
> Hate: free tonal melody [i disagree. Only if it "upsets" a tonality, and
even then, one of my favorite loop strategies is to build a tonality and
shift to another right on top of it. Moments of atonal wandering feel like a
kind of questioning, not hate]
> Domination: a fat harmony
the music has some absolute meanings to it. We got global musical
> archetypes. Lets use them to communicate!
Can't wait to hear from others on this!
dB
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
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ok, since pop music is being discussed and the linguistic thread
resurfaced, i wanted to know what you guys thought about what people
describe as pop music.  Of course, it's really short for popular music,
which is pretty much any music that is not "art" or "serious." However,
I think most people think of pop as a style of music or certain type of
artist.  In part, it has to do more with the type of person that is
singing and the way the music is presented.  Kylie Minogue, NSync, and
Madonna are all pop, even though they have different styles of music.   

But also, people refer to what I call "watered-down rock" as pop.  That
is, what is basically rock, but with a less abrasive sound where
guitars aren't as dominating.  This would also include people who's
music doesn't fall into a clear genre because they use a wide variety
of musical styles yet their music is still within the song format.  So,
anyways, I'm kinda rambling, but i wanted to see what people thought of
this.  I'm guessing it's something to with generations, where younger
people (including my generation) don't really think about where the
word pop comes from, and just use it based on how other people use
it...

On a somewhat related note, I recently saw the VMA's and noticed they
had an award for best rap video and another one for best hip-hop video.
 Maybe i missed something, but aren't these supposed to be the same
thing?

Ernesto

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They are close but they are not exact. It'll be a persussion part that's
just a groove so if it were only to take half of the phrase for the last one
it would be fine but not for the entire song so I guess Hans' first method
wouldn't work and the second one is too much to deal with when I don't
really know how many bars they song really is when I start the loop.
I used the number 19 as a random number for getting my point across.
I run into this problem when I loop a long Dylan song that has odd measures.
I know I'm taking a chance when I do it cuz I'm doing it on the fly but it
would be nice if it would just quantize itself.

Thanks for pointing this Matthias. Any other ideas? Maybe this could be a
change for the next software edition.

-Arthur Lee
www.arthurleemusic.com

-----Original Message-----
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Sorry, I did not see that when I posted my answer (because you
screwed the subject, Hans ;-)

Amazing different answers. It seems that Hans understands that the
two bars of the original loop are equal... are they, Arthur?

>Arthur,
>
>I'll assume that you're not syncing to a drum machine, since in that
>case what you want to do would be automatic with Loop4.
>
>One simple way, which would work with any version of the Loop software,
>would be to end Record with Multiply after the first bar, and then to
>close the loop with Multiply (Roundmode=ON) at the end of the second
>bar.  This will create the loop as two cycles.  Then just multiply it
>out to 19.  This should also work if you're synced to a drum machine but
>using Loop3.
>
>In Loop4, you could set 8ths/Cycle to 2 with Quantize=8ths, record it as
>a two-bar cycle, and then when you multiply it out end Multiply with
>Record during the 19th cycle (the cycle count will read 9).  This will
>redefine the loop as a single cycle, so you would then have to change
>8ths/cycle to 19 to be able to quantize to the end of each bar.  I'd
>probably go with the first method.
>
>
>Happy Camping,
>
>-Hans
>
>
>P.S. Thanks Andre :)
>
>
>>  Does anyone know if there is a way to have the Multiply function
>>  quantize to
>>  odd bar multiples?
>>  E.G. Say you have a 2 bar drum loop and you use the multiply function
>>  for a
>>  song that is, say, 19 bars long. Is there a way you can get the
>>  Multiply to
>>  quantize the extra bar (since it's not a multiple of 2) so you don't
>>  have a
>>  bar of silence until the next multiple of 2 cycles around?
>>
>>  I would be one happy camper if it could pull that off!
>>
>>  -Arthur Lee


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  For those of you who are interested in a good overview of synethesia

http://psyche.cs.monash.edu.au/v2/psyche-2-10-cytowic.html

What I find most fascinating is the idea that synesthesia may be the 
primary form of perception and its just that for most of us, the brain 
takes the different sensory feeds (eyes, ears, touch, etc) and directs 
them to the appropriate expression but for the synesthete, that 
differentiation doesn't quite happen.

Kevin

-- 
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The sermon of the inanimate is inconceivable
If you try to hear it with your ears
You'll hardly understand
Only when you hear it in your eyes 
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Tell us more, Juan!

Dennis Leas
-------------------
dennis@mail.worldserver.com


----- Original Message -----
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>
> hi i finished a lo fi looper based in the tms3478nl voice recording
chip,and
> a 41256 dram,used the schematic from the datasheet,i've found this chip in
a
> local electronics shop here in Montevideo,where they xeroxed tge datasheet
> for me,couldn't find anithing in google about it,it's capable of up to 4
> minutes recording with four 1mb x 1 bit drams,16,32 or 64 khz sampling
> rate...sounds great...
> i hope we can find those chips somewhere else in the world,because i
bought
> the only three they had left...
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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     Thanks for that tip CQ. The Handsonic does have switches to turn 
controller, and sound for the DBeam on/off. I had not thought of trying that. 
I guess that I thought that if I turned the controller button off, it would 
just jump to a default value. Now I will have to try this.
     Thanks, Marc

In a message dated 9/27/2002 3:54:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
thefates@earthlink.net writes:


>   Not exactly sure how the DBeam is laid out on the Handsonic, but on the
> 505 I can keep the value at a particular spot by sswitching the mode and
> then turning the  controller off.  The MC-505 has the on/off button for the
> DBeam, and a button which cycles through three modes from the front panel.
> so I'll first find the position I want, and then press the mode button,
> followed by the on/off button to disengage the controller.  -Best of 
> luck...  
> 
> Smiles,
> 
> CQ
> 


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     Thanks for that tip CQ. The Handsonic does have switches to turn controller, and sound for the DBeam on/off. I had not thought of trying that. I guess that I thought that if I turned the controller button off, it would just jump to a default value. Now I will have to try this.

     Thanks, Marc



In a message dated 9/27/2002 3:54:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, thefates@earthlink.net writes:






  Not exactly sure how the DBeam is laid out on the Handsonic, but on the

505 I can keep the value at a particular spot by sswitching the mode and

then turning the  controller off.  The MC-505 has the on/off button for the

DBeam, and a button which cycles through three modes from the front panel.

so I'll first find the position I want, and then press the mode button,

followed by the on/off button to disengage the controller.  -Best of luck...  



Smiles,



CQ







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Why wouldn't you call these nature?  Would you call a bird's nest nature?  Is a
monkey's ant stick nature?  Animals use tools.  The EDP happens to be a tool
that this species uses for a specialized form of communication.  Where would
you draw the line?  You can't.  Sure, we're monkeys that have figured out how
to make VCRs and Salad Shakers, but monkeys none the less.

If anyone has relegious issues with this, I'll post the nude pict of me in a
tree eating a banana.  DON'T MAKE ME!

Mark Sottilaro

"Stephen P. Goodman" wrote:

> Perhaps the word "mimic" is too confusing - but you can't necessarily say
> that a Zoom 2100 or an EDP is nature.

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The stuff I posted on Mp3 I consider "pop"..as opposed to "cerebral". I view
pop as easily digestable and overall accessible..I'm interested in the
crossover perspective (hence looping/layering a la Brian Wilson). While I
normally listen to things like Jim O'Rourke and the like,  when I first
heard that Kylie Minogue single with the "la-la-la" chorus..my first thought
was..damn! What a catchy hook!  There's that contagion factor. So I thought,
hmmmm..let's see if I can actually write a pop song and get off the
soundtrack train for a little while..
www.mp3.com/Jehn_Cerron

Jehn
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> ok, since pop music is being discussed and the linguistic thread
> resurfaced, i wanted to know what you guys thought about what people
> describe as pop music.  Of course, it's really short for popular music,
> which is pretty much any music that is not "art" or "serious." However,
> I think most people think of pop as a style of music or certain type of
> artist.  In part, it has to do more with the type of person that is
> singing and the way the music is presented.  Kylie Minogue, NSync, and
> Madonna are all pop, even though they have different styles of music.
>
> But also, people refer to what I call "watered-down rock" as pop.  That
> is, what is basically rock, but with a less abrasive sound where
> guitars aren't as dominating.  This would also include people who's
> music doesn't fall into a clear genre because they use a wide variety
> of musical styles yet their music is still within the song format.  So,
> anyways, I'm kinda rambling, but i wanted to see what people thought of
> this.  I'm guessing it's something to with generations, where younger
> people (including my generation) don't really think about where the
> word pop comes from, and just use it based on how other people use
> it...
>
> On a somewhat related note, I recently saw the VMA's and noticed they
> had an award for best rap video and another one for best hip-hop video.
>  Maybe i missed something, but aren't these supposed to be the same
> thing?
>
> Ernesto
>
> --
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jfink@cabq.gov writes:

>I am considering integrating a line mixer into my guitar rig,
>  a-la the David Torn videos.   What is the going rate for the
>  Passac Unity 8 mixer?  
see a more current range:
rane mixers, mackie, behringer, ashly, etc.
best,
dt / s-c

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matthias@grob.org writes:

>Fripp called an early family of (classic?) loop pieces watermusic...
a propos, haydn.
also: the novel of same name, by t. coraghessan boyle.
dt / s-c

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Just thought folks might like to know, I just called Behringer tech 
support today and was told that they have been mandated by the company 
NOT to give these away free any longer.  You can still download the 
software if you can get it on an eprom, otherwise, you'll have to buy 
one somewhere else (the guy I talked to suggested their tech people at 
206-633-5190 or search for the Behringer group on Yahoo).

:-(

Please feel free to correct me if I was misinformed

Kevin

Clifford Novey wrote:

> Don't know if this has been covered but Behringer will send a free 
> chip to those who call-
>
>  Call their tech support or parts dept at (425) 672-0816
>
> Cliff
>
> http://www.om-studios.com
>

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> Just thought folks might like to know, I just called Behringer tech 
> support today and was told that they have been mandated by the company 
> NOT to give these away free any longer.

Thats a shame. I still haven't received my 1010 yet. It got lost in the 
post for one month before returning back to Germany. Its on its way by 
UPS this time... the wonders of buying online. I still dont know which 
version it is... praying and hoping its one with the new chip. :)
--
Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project
http://www.solostring.com
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am 27.09.2002 8:04 Uhr schrieb Mark Sottilaro unter sine@zerocrossing.net:

> On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 07:30  PM, Ritsu Katsumata wrote:
>> 
>> 1) is this the only one that can loop more than one track at a time
>> (live) -- so, if I want to do a 4 beat loop on 1 track, then an 8 beat
>> loop on track 2, etc.--  or are there others that can do this > (easily)?
> 
> Uh, the Repeater can't do that either.  It's got 4 tracks per loop, but
> they all have to be exactly the same length.  Of course, you can make
> and store up to 99 loops of different sizes and toggle between them if
> you want.  You can do a bunch on the EDP this way too.
> 
>> 
>> 2) what's the best foot control to get for it?  I'm going to be using
>> it live, so there's no time to fuss with buttons and knobs.
> 
> Looks like the Behringer FCP1010 is the best thing on the market for
> the price right now.  There are better MIDI controllers out there, but
> they cost as much or more than the things they're controlling!
> 
>> 
>> Thanks again--
>> 
>> Ritsu
>> http://www.ritsu.com
>> 
> 
I love my EDP, but sometimes when I´d like to work out a nice idea, I regret
that it´s imposible to record each new layer on a separate track of a
harddisk-recorder like Logic audio without loosing the spontanity and
intuitve handling of the EDP. Does anyone know if there´s some software out
(for mac) that can do this?
Thanks Carsten

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am 27.09.2002 7:43 Uhr schrieb Mark Sottilaro unter sine@zerocrossing.net:

> On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 04:58  PM, S V G wrote:
> 
>> 
>>      After just posting that last bit on the FCB1010 MIDI pedal, I
>> started ruminating a bit on the
>> process that I go through as a musician in developing a relationship
>> to my gear.
> 
> I used to totally be a "stomp box guy" until I started playing/singing
> in a pop band.  I quickly realized that the "dance" I had to do to go
> from a clean chorus sound to a heavily distorted lead sound with delay
> was too much to deal with.  I ended up buying my first rack mounted
> multi effects processor then.  My lack of money caused me to sell my
> stomp boxes to buy the ART SGX2000.  I guess it was OK, and it did, in
> fact, do things that my current boxes don't do, but I missed my boxes
> when ever I was home alone just playing or doing some loose improv
> stuff with friends.  I still do!
> 
> On the other hand, I don't miss the noise and large floor board the
> stomp boxes are famous for.  It's all a trade off for sure.  I couldn't
> do what I need to do with stomp boxes anymore.  Most had no easy way to
> control settings with your foot.  Unless you bought an expensive
> router, you were stuck with the configuration you set up unless you
> were  going to start pulling cables in the middle of a show.  Now I
> have stuff that does all this in software.  I press a foot switch and
> I've got a new amp, and a half a dozen stomp boxes all configured
> exactly as I like, AND I can control any of the parameters with a
> pedal.  That's right *ANY* parameter.  Often multiple parameters at a
> time with one pedal.  Try that with a bunch of stomp boxes.  WHERE IS
> YOUR GOD NOW?
> 
> And some multi effects processors are for sure better than others.  My
> Digitech 2120 SUCKS to program, though I now know it intimately.  I
> wouldn't have designed it the way they did.  Judging by the new stuff
> Digitech is putting out (GNX line) they wouldn't either.  All their new
> stuff uses a "matrix" editor, like the EDP and AdrenaLinn.  This makes
> it way easier to program on the fly, even with a tiny LED display.
> Electrix got it right, but I think the world is going toward better UI
> in the world of audio gear.  It can only get better!
> 
> My advise is to spend some time getting to know your clunky Roland
> interfaces.  Once you start understanding their nature, it will all get
> a lot easier.  It just takes some time.
> 
> Mark Sottilaro
> 
I want to buy a multi-effects processor for my rack. There is so much gear,
I have no idea, which one I should get. good sounding reverbs, good Pitch
shhifter, easy programming and intuitive performance are important for me.
Also I prefer a tool with less functions, I don´t need every effect I ever
heard of in this box. Anyone who can help me?
Thanks Carsten

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At 05:45 PM 9/27/2002 -0400, ernesto wrote:

>Subject: what is pop?


i have a 7 inch at home on which xtc answer this question rather 
definitively...

;-}

a:c


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"Matthias Grob" :


> Stephan:
> >Perhaps the word "mimic" is too confusing - but you can't necessarily say
> >that a Zoom 2100 or an EDP is nature.  Perhaps the manner in which we use
it
> >would be described as mimicry to an extent.  That doesn't make it less
than
> >it is though.  I think of it in the manner that I consider the binary
nature
> >of our own thinking, and how this has become a pattern that shows itself
in
> >behavior, as well as computers.  We know that, in nature, there are often
> >not two-sided situations, "black and white", but rather a full spectrum
from
> >one end to another.
>
> and there is no 100% FeedBack in nature as far as I know!

I suppose that since Energy always goes someplace else, no matter what we
do, one should rejoice in its movement, and even more when we have something
to do with its guidance...?  It's late.

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I have uploaded a cool example we recorded this past weekend of Goddess
using the repeater as she describes below.  She can elaborate, but it
is a guitar loop she constructed on the Repeater, used the MC-505 to
control pitch of this loop, and real time created a sequence of the
pitch control on the MC-505.  Is that about right, CQ?
You can find this sound sample at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LoopMusic/files/Guitar_Repeater.mp3
which is the file section of loopmusic yahoo group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LoopMusic/
It sounds way cool.
brother bret
--- Goddess  wrote:
>   I use the MC-505 which is neither small nor simple, but is
> incredibly
> intuitive and powerful, with many  live-oriented features including
> the
> ability to go in and out of record mode on the fly while playing a
> sequence
> live.  I just used this feature the other day during a rehearsal to
> develop
> a loop by changing it's pitch with a sequenced pattern which I
> recorded
> live as a developing midi loop, to create a very cool groove.  It's
> way
> awesome!     
>   anyway, I can't recomend this high enough, since though it's quite
> complex, it's also extremely easy to use once you understand it's
> architecture.  It's alot more than a sequencer, but the sequencer
> section
> is very friendly.  
> 
>   Have a nice day!...   
> 
> Smiles,
> 
> CQ


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Carsten Wegener wrote:

> I want to buy a multi-effects processor for my rack. There is so much gear,
> I have no idea, which one I should get. good sounding reverbs, good Pitch
> shhifter, easy programming and intuitive performance are important for me.
> Also I prefer a tool with less functions, I don´t need every effect I ever
> heard of in this box. Anyone who can help me?

Why a rack mounted multi-effects?  Although, that's what I use, I find it
takes up 2 rack spaces (some do only one) AND need a floor pedal to control
them.  The Korg Toneworks series and the Digitech GNX series both have a
decent complement of effects all in nice floor pedal configurations.

If you really need a rack unit, there's the TC Electronics G Major and G
Force.  Roland's got the GP-100 (List member Mark Hamburg was selling one
really cheap recently) and if you've got a lot of cash, Lexicon makes the
MPX-G2.  If you don't care about distortion, there are a ton more on the
market, like Lexicon's MPX100.

You should really get yourself over to a music shop where you can listen to a
bunch of these products with your guitar and amp if possible.  Lot's of stores
have a 30 day return policy, so you can really dig deep.  No one will be able
to tell you which one is right for you.

Mark Sottilaro


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The "good pitch shifter" part will be the killer IMO- only thing I can think
of is like the Eventide Eclipse- I have no experience with floor multi
effects- I have TC M-One which I love but for the awful pitch shifting.
Anyone know how well the Lexicon pitch shifting is on the budget rack boxes?
Cliff

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> am 27.09.2002 7:43 Uhr schrieb Mark Sottilaro unter sine@zerocrossing.net:
>
> > On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 04:58  PM, S V G wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>      After just posting that last bit on the FCB1010 MIDI pedal, I
> >> started ruminating a bit on the
> >> process that I go through as a musician in developing a relationship
> >> to my gear.
> >
> > I used to totally be a "stomp box guy" until I started playing/singing
> > in a pop band.  I quickly realized that the "dance" I had to do to go
> > from a clean chorus sound to a heavily distorted lead sound with delay
> > was too much to deal with.  I ended up buying my first rack mounted
> > multi effects processor then.  My lack of money caused me to sell my
> > stomp boxes to buy the ART SGX2000.  I guess it was OK, and it did, in
> > fact, do things that my current boxes don't do, but I missed my boxes
> > when ever I was home alone just playing or doing some loose improv
> > stuff with friends.  I still do!
> >
> > On the other hand, I don't miss the noise and large floor board the
> > stomp boxes are famous for.  It's all a trade off for sure.  I couldn't
> > do what I need to do with stomp boxes anymore.  Most had no easy way to
> > control settings with your foot.  Unless you bought an expensive
> > router, you were stuck with the configuration you set up unless you
> > were  going to start pulling cables in the middle of a show.  Now I
> > have stuff that does all this in software.  I press a foot switch and
> > I've got a new amp, and a half a dozen stomp boxes all configured
> > exactly as I like, AND I can control any of the parameters with a
> > pedal.  That's right *ANY* parameter.  Often multiple parameters at a
> > time with one pedal.  Try that with a bunch of stomp boxes.  WHERE IS
> > YOUR GOD NOW?
> >
> > And some multi effects processors are for sure better than others.  My
> > Digitech 2120 SUCKS to program, though I now know it intimately.  I
> > wouldn't have designed it the way they did.  Judging by the new stuff
> > Digitech is putting out (GNX line) they wouldn't either.  All their new
> > stuff uses a "matrix" editor, like the EDP and AdrenaLinn.  This makes
> > it way easier to program on the fly, even with a tiny LED display.
> > Electrix got it right, but I think the world is going toward better UI
> > in the world of audio gear.  It can only get better!
> >
> > My advise is to spend some time getting to know your clunky Roland
> > interfaces.  Once you start understanding their nature, it will all get
> > a lot easier.  It just takes some time.
> >
> > Mark Sottilaro
> >
> I want to buy a multi-effects processor for my rack. There is so much
gear,
> I have no idea, which one I should get. good sounding reverbs, good Pitch
> shhifter, easy programming and intuitive performance are important for me.
> Also I prefer a tool with less functions, I don´t need every effect I ever
> heard of in this box. Anyone who can help me?
> Thanks Carsten
>
>
>


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Hi there,

FYI, Dotcom downsize is forcing me to dump some petals :(


Marshall Guv'nor original Distortion petal $80

Ibanez BCL- Bi-mode chorus $ 40

Vintage MXR Dyna Comp block letters $ 80


Please contact me directly at: tarbit@hotmail.com

Thanks

LOU

Ps. Below please find a link to my "cut" up online demo of NS & Chapman 
Stick textures.
       FYI, only 2 loops in the lot though. Thanks for listening


http://www.yourwebeddy.com/lou/


Track description:

1.  Ambient Loop :51
2.  Pads :23
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On Friday, September 27, 2002, at 08:07  PM, Ritsu Katsumata wrote:

>> On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 07:30  PM, Ritsu Katsumata wrote:
>>>
>>> 1) is this the only one that can loop more than one track at a time 
>>> (live) -- so, if I want to do a 4 beat loop on 1 track, then an 8 
>>> beat loop on track 2, etc.--  or are there others that can do this > 
>>> (easily)?
>>
>> Uh, the Repeater can't do that either.  It's got 4 tracks per loop, 
>> but they all have to be exactly the same length.  Of course, you can 
>> make and store up to 99 loops of different sizes and toggle between 
>> them if you want.  You can do a bunch on the EDP this way too.
>
>
> I realized as soon as I posted this that the way to do that is to play 
> the 4 beat loop twice, then do the 8 beat-- so I felt kind of stupid--

There's also a multiply function on the Repeater that lets you multiply 
a track, then make a longer track looped next to it.  Saves on memory, 
but I seem to never use it.

>
> but I guess you can't loop an 8 bar progression (live) without being 
> really tedious, can you?

Good question.  I'm always surprised at what an audience will like.  
Including myself.  I've looped 8 bar progressions many times, while 
running the loop through some kind of processor (usually a Lexicon 
MPX1) that I can control via MIDI.  The content of the loop stays the 
same, but it can be "played" via external devices.  Change the pitch a 
few times and you can get a lot of mileage out of a good loop.  The 
great thing about the Repeater is that you can set the feedback to 70% 
or so (any value actually up to 100%) and slowly change your loop over 
time.  This is when things get really interesting.

> I use a Roland MC 300 sequencer with stored midi files-- but I can't 
> toggle, so it sounds like from what you're saying here that the 
> Repeater would be like an improvement over the sequencer.

I'm not sure what you mean by "I can't toggle..."  I imagine you could 
make different patterns and switch between them no?  I usually make a 
very dense pattern, and then pare it down, adding drums and taking them 
away to create variety.  Seems to work well.  Again, the Roland Famly 
of sequencers seem to be good for that, at least the current batch.
>
> I'm starting to get cold feet about the repeater-- scared that I won't 
> be able to handle the learning curve.  Thanks (again) for all your 
> help!
>
Don't let them get too cold!  They'll soon be gone, only to be found 
way overpriced on eBay.  Actually, when it comes to loopers, I've found 
the front panel interface to be by far the best.  There's almost no 
learning curve, but I did find that after getting the FCP1010 and 
spending some quality time with it, it got smoother and smoother to 
use.  Now it's second nature.

Mark Sottilaro

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I'm wondering if it's possible to use a MIDI to CVI converter, like the one Frostwave sells, with guitar to control analog synth modules.  More detail:  A guitar with a MIDI pick up going into a guitar synth(probably Roland I guess) then to the MIDI to CV converter which would control an analog synth, that is CV controllable.   The end result would be playing a note on the guitar would trigger the same note on the synth.  Is this possible?

I don't currently have a MIDI pick up or any MIDI gear at all but I have some moogerfooger pedals and I've been exploring their CV capabilties.  I'm very interested in finding out more about CV and it's applications with guitar.


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The Roland & Yamaha pickups don't actually do midi
conversion by themselves. They are really just
providing a separate pickup for each guitar string.
The actual pitch-to-midi conversion takes place
within the guitar synth that the pup connects to via
a 13 pin cable. I suppose you could connect a midi
cable from the midi out of the guitar synth to a midi/
cv converter, then to an analog synth, but the
tracking would probably suffer.

Roland used to make a stand alone pitch-to-midi
converter called the GI-10. Since it was designed to
work with a separate synth, it might work better with
the midi/cv to analog setup.

I wish I could test it for you. I have a GI-10 & a
JKJ midi/cv converter. I just don't have an analog
synth at this time.

John


--- mark penner  wrote:
> I'm wondering if it's possible to use a MIDI to CVI
> converter, like the one Frostwave sells, with guitar
> to control analog synth modules.  More detail:  A
> guitar with a MIDI pick up going into a guitar
> synth(probably Roland I guess) then to the MIDI to
> CV converter which would control an analog synth,
> that is CV controllable.   The end result would be
> playing a note on the guitar would trigger the same
> note on the synth.  Is this possible?
> 
> I don't currently have a MIDI pick up or any MIDI
> gear at all but I have some moogerfooger pedals and
> I've been exploring their CV capabilties.  I'm very
> interested in finding out more about CV and it's
> applications with guitar.
> 
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Hoi there,
I was used to playing with a guitar, a couple of stomp
boxes and an amp, but since i got the EDP,repeater and
Roland GP100 ,well, is turned into a rack.I am still
using all of this with my tube amp but i am debating
on replacing it with a power amp and 2 speakers.What
are the pros and cons or trade offs in terms of sound
and do you have any suggestions on specific brands?I
wanna keep having the punch of my tube amp of course!
thanx
Louie

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The matter of perceptive capabalities ("primary form of perception") has
come up recently in conjunction with closed adoption aka surrendering a
child at birth with no contact with the mother.  When a child at birth is
rendered "unattached", the senses go into overdrive in an attempt to
preserve the life of the individual which without the mother is felt as
imminent death.  The senses then integrate as many tangential experiences as
possible to make sense of a foreign environment. The matter of absolute
pitch has also come up as something all individuals are born with,  but from
whatever lack of necessity is not usually kept. In the case of the "free
fall" child, this is usually kept as well.
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>   For those of you who are interested in a good overview of synethesia
>
> http://psyche.cs.monash.edu.au/v2/psyche-2-10-cytowic.html
>
> What I find most fascinating is the idea that synesthesia may be the
> primary form of perception and its just that for most of us, the brain
> takes the different sensory feeds (eyes, ears, touch, etc) and directs
> them to the appropriate expression but for the synesthete, that
> differentiation doesn't quite happen.
>
> Kevin
>
> --
> Wonderful!  Wonderful!
> The sermon of the inanimate is inconceivable
> If you try to hear it with your ears
> You'll hardly understand
> Only when you hear it in your eyes
> Will you be able to know.
> - Dongshan Liangjie
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Hope someone can help ! 
My EDP seems to have got a ghostly midi sync inside. Recently I was using it

synced up to various devices, and it was working fine. All MIDI devices were
disconnected from the EDP, but...

Problem is when I now tap RECORD three 000's are displayed and it doesn't go
into record until I tap record *again*. 
As a test, I connected the old Alesis HR16 up, it's displaying the 'beat
dot' but ignores any kind of sync. 
I've got Quantize OFF, Sync OFF etc.

What ails it atall ? I'd do a factory default to try and to exorcize it but 
there's no mention in the manual of such a thng and the parish priest is 
away. 

Much obliged,
Andrew

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you changed the thresh params by error so its waiting for you, a second press in
loop means i dont want to wait do it now

to reset power the edp with the params button pressed

hop this helps

Claude
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> Hope someone can help !
> My EDP seems to have got a ghostly midi sync inside. Recently I was using it
>
> synced up to various devices, and it was working fine. All MIDI devices were
> disconnected from the EDP, but...
>
> Problem is when I now tap RECORD three 000's are displayed and it doesn't go
> into record until I tap record *again*.
> As a test, I connected the old Alesis HR16 up, it's displaying the 'beat
> dot' but ignores any kind of sync.
> I've got Quantize OFF, Sync OFF etc.
>
> What ails it atall ? I'd do a factory default to try and to exorcize it but
> there's no mention in the manual of such a thng and the parish priest is
> away.
>
> Much obliged,
> Andrew
>
>

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> Från: Andrew Taylor [mailto:Andrew@bocs.com] 

> 
> Problem is when I now tap RECORD three 000's are displayed 
> and it doesn't go into record until I tap record *again*. 

That's exactly the problems I have had since upgrading to loop4! Maybe
there is a solution but my workaround is to use midi commands (FCB1010)
intstead of the EDP analog foot controller. With midi I never get these
problems.

Best wishes

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 Ah, merci Claude !
You must be practicing withcraft, as yes indeed my Threshold had got itself
set to 6 somehow ( probably happened when I was pressing buttons on the EDP
while simultaneously learning more about the letter 'T' from Sesame Street )
I've changed threshold to 0 now, all is well. Will keep the factory reset
bad ju-ju for non self-inflicted mishaps, thanks for passing it on.

Hope the weather is fair,
Andrew

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you changed the thresh params by error so its waiting for you, a second
press in
loop means i dont want to wait do it now

to reset power the edp with the params button pressed

hop this helps

Claude
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Subject: EDP Loop3 problem - '000' displayed when tap RECORD


> Hope someone can help !
> My EDP seems to have got a ghostly midi sync inside. Recently I was
using it
>
> synced up to various devices, and it was working fine. All MIDI
devices were
> disconnected from the EDP, but...
>
> Problem is when I now tap RECORD three 000's are displayed and it
doesn't go
> into record until I tap record *again*.
> As a test, I connected the old Alesis HR16 up, it's displaying the
'beat
> dot' but ignores any kind of sync.
> I've got Quantize OFF, Sync OFF etc.
>
> What ails it atall ? I'd do a factory default to try and to exorcize
it but
> there's no mention in the manual of such a thng and the parish priest
is
> away.
>
> Much obliged,
> Andrew
>
>

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yes beatiful weather on the Geneva lake today
glad it helped that was a common one

Claude


> Ah, merci Claude !
> You must be practicing withcraft, as yes indeed my Threshold had got itself
> set to 6 somehow ( probably happened when I was pressing buttons on the EDP
> while simultaneously learning more about the letter 'T' from Sesame Street )
> I've changed threshold to 0 now, all is well. Will keep the factory reset
> bad ju-ju for non self-inflicted mishaps, thanks for passing it on.
> 
> Hope the weather is fair,
> Andrew
> 


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Brilliant website career and future...

Bravo

Claude


If anyone is interested, i finally finished updating my website to include my
music (was just biz and cv etc)
I have a demo doing the label rounds at the mo, called the last vestiges of
taste, plenty of loopage. Many of the tracks are on the site not downloadable
tho, is flash! On my connection is not a prob, hope you like...

to get to demo, just click on the cd cover image at top...
...............................
m  a  r  k        r  e  d
www.mark-red.com
...............................



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                Baltimore Progressive Rock Showcase Series
                          Orion Sound Studios
                         2903 Whittington Ave
                            Baltimore MD
                   Saturday, Oct 26th, 2002 8pm

French guitarist, electronic musician, and composer Richard Pinhas is
internationally recognized as one of France's major experimental
musicians: the 'father' of French electronic music. He was the founder of
Heldon, a band whose violent fusion of electronics and guitar in the 1970s
rivaled the German electronic school and was a precursor to today's
industrial music. As a guitar player, his sound has been compared that of
guitar icon Robert Fripp.

Over the past decade, working solo and with other artists such as Pascal
Comelade and Maurice Dantec (for Schizotrope), Pinhas has been developing a
system of electronic processing to use in performing live solo guitar
concerts.

Pinhas will perform in Baltimore, Maryland on October 26th at Orion
Studios as part of the ongoing Baltimore Progressive Rock Showcase Series
Fall 2002 schedule. Performing on guitar and accompanied by French
electronic musician Jérôme Schmidt, Pinhas will play music from hisew
instrumental release on Cuneiform, *Event and Repetitions*, and possibly
some new pieces that fuse electronics, sampling and guitar and incorporate
spoken-word from writings by Phil K. Dick, William Burroughs, Hunter S.
Thompson, and others.

*Event and Repetitions* marks a progression in Pinhas' ongoing experiments
with sound. Created using only guitar and processing systems and recorded
live, it is an arresting sensory assault, a river of sound that is rich in
depth, detail and texture. Pinhas has released approximately 20 solo and
Heldon CDs, many of released by or reissued on Cuneiform; this newest may
be his best solo guitar work to date.

Tickets for this all ages show are $15 in advance via Ticketweb at
http://www.ticketweb.com/

For directions and more information, please visit The Progressive Rock Web
Site at http://www.progrock.net/

-Adam

----
             T h e   D a r k   A e t h e r   P r o j e c t
                      http://www.darkaether.net/

** The new CD "The Gentle Art of Firewalking" is available from:
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>                 Baltimore Progressive Rock Showcase Series
>                           Orion Sound Studios
>                          2903 Whittington Ave
>                             Baltimore MD
>                    Saturday, Oct 26th, 2002 8pm

Wow!  I tried to find a tour schedule for him, with no luck -- any leads?

     /t

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At 01:14 PM 9/28/2002 -0400, Tom Ritchford wrote:

>Wow!  I tried to find a tour schedule for him, with no luck -- any leads?

Try http://www.webdeleuze.com/index2.html.  It's au Francais, but there's a 
mini-itinerary under "Tournée US" about halfway down the page.

         -c-

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>At 01:14 PM 9/28/2002 -0400, Tom Ritchford wrote:
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>>Wow!  I tried to find a tour schedule for him, with no luck -- any leads?
>
>Try http://www.webdeleuze.com/index2.html.  It's au Francais, but 
>there's a mini-itinerary under "Tournée US" about halfway down the 
>page.

drat, he doesn't get any closer than PA, and on a Sunday night too.

a shame he isn't coming to New York, his last show here (with Norman Spinrad)
was SO good.

      /t
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http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar.

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personally, i prefer the component arrangement that a rack allows.  it's like customizing an amp head...getting to pick the preamp section and the power section.  
as far as power amps go, i strongly recommend VHT.  i love my 2/90/2.  plenty of punch and loud enough to hurt.
-jim

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personally, i prefer the component arrangement that a rack allows.  it's like customizing an amp head...getting to pick the preamp section and the power section.  

as far as power amps go, i strongly recommend VHT.  i love my 2/90/2.  plenty of punch and loud enough to hurt.

-jim

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Hi all, I have a Pocket pedal, want to use it and a CV pedal with EDP.
(loop III ver 5.)

When hooking it up to in and out of EDP, it missbehaves as if it's
getting in a feedback loop with the same data. Sometimes the EDP locks
up (won't record)(sometimes in this state the EDP goes into next
loop/multiplywith just a press of "record") and the PPedal's light goes
out meaning it needs a reset. 

Sometimes the Ppedal doesn't need the reset but the EDP sounds super
grainy and very distorted.

The PP works if I hook another midi device to it's midi in to give it
the power it needs, this however goes against my setup desire to to have
only the EDP as the only midi device. This takes the EDP out of a
possible feedback loop which is what I believe is the problem. 

I have midi footpedals but I am using a large pedal board and wanted not
to have another midi pedal board on the ground.

How can I get the EDP to "power" my Ppedal and also "recieve" the midi
vol messages I need? Is there a way to turn off the midi tranmision of
data from the EDP??
Or, is there a way to modify a midi cable to carry only the phantom
power on pins 5 & 3  and not to carry other messages out?( I tried
breaking off pins other than 5 & 3 , but then it wouldn't power the
Ppedal.)

Any Ideas? I would figure the getting the EDP to not send out data would
be the easiest but don't know how. 

Would loop IV do this? I 'd rather not spend the cash on it as I haven't
reallly seen how I'd use the features in LoopIV.

Any help would be appreciated :-)

Thanks,

Kevinlane

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At 01:43 PM 9/28/2002 -0400, Tom Ritchford wrote:
>>At 01:14 PM 9/28/2002 -0400, Tom Ritchford wrote:
>>
>>>Wow!  I tried to find a tour schedule for him, with no luck -- any leads?
>>
>>Try http://www.webdeleuze.com/index2.html.  It's au Francais, but there's 
>>a mini-itinerary under "Tournée US" about halfway down the page.
>
>drat, he doesn't get any closer than PA, and on a Sunday night too.
>
>a shame he isn't coming to New York, his last show here (with Norman Spinrad)
>was SO good.

I can feel your pain.  I'm going to be out of town the last week of October 
(okay, I'll be at Disneyworld, so I can't complain too much).  Pinhas is 
going to be here in Chicago the 30th, then the Legendary Pink Dots finally 
come back in town the very next night (and it's the Dots doing a show on 
Samhain; I just know it's going to kick ass).  Aargh!  I'm going to have to 
miss both shows.

Talk about lousy timing for a vacation.  ;)

         -c-

_____
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                                                 -recoil

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here is the person setting up the tour
and he wants to get more gigs together
"Jerome Schmidt" 


-das

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Duke Sexton wrote:

> At 01:43 PM 9/28/2002 -0400, Tom Ritchford wrote:
> >>At 01:14 PM 9/28/2002 -0400, Tom Ritchford wrote:
> >>
> >>>Wow!  I tried to find a tour schedule for him, with no luck -- any leads?
> >>
> >>Try http://www.webdeleuze.com/index2.html.  It's au Francais, but there's
> >>a mini-itinerary under "Tournée US" about halfway down the page.
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here is the person setting up the tour

and he wants to get more gigs together

"Jerome Schmidt" <jschmidt@chronicart.com>

 

 

-das



Duke Sexton wrote:

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>>At 01:14 PM 9/28/2002 -0400, Tom Ritchford wrote:

>>

>>>Wow!  I tried to find a tour schedule for him, with no luck
-- any leads?

>>

>>Try http://www.webdeleuze.com/index2.html. 
It's au Francais, but there's

>>a mini-itinerary under "Tournée US" about halfway down the
page.

>

 



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Question for those of you out there who have integrated either automated 
patch bays (like the Switchblade) or manual patch panels into your looping rig.

I've got an old 360 Systems AudioMatrix sitting in the studio, and enough 
space in my new rack to integrate it if I wish to do so.  My question for 
those using similar devices is: how many of you actually take advantage of 
the flexible patching functionality during performance, versus merely 
coming up with an overall "set it & forget it" configuration?

TIA!!!

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>Re: linguistic abuse
>Beautifully commented upon, Matthias. I have been suspicious of e-language
>for a while; certain changes in language can be seen as evolutionary, but
>culture prejudice seems so sad. Perhaps you (and other Loopers using English
>as a second language) can comment upon the proliferation of u, b, 2, cuz,
>wuz, etc. and how it makes you feel?

those are not so difficult for me, because I can hear the sound and interprete.
Its rather the strange phrases and acumulation of "smart" 
expressions. In other words I probably would not understand those 
guys speaking, unless they would maybe speak differently to me, aware 
of the problem...

btw: I was not complaining about this list, this time. In the past I 
had serious problems, now I feel fine. Maybe because I got used to 
some expressions, but also because you guys behave!
:-)

>dB
>Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
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>  >>I sent one C90 cassette of sexy loops to my nephew ...
>>  lucky one... and the rest of the world? How about some CD-Rs :-) ?
>
>I have made a promise to myself and others: I am working on a book ("Play
>Guitar By Ear," which is a story in itself) and as soon as I am done with
>it, I am going to return to playing in public, including looping. Once I
>start that up, I will undoubtedly assemble some CD's. And you folks at LD
>will hear about it as soon as it happens!
>>
>>  Besides, I am rather looking for another kinds of associations:
>>
>  > God: a deep drone
>[agreed! Perhaps natural overtone series brought forward a bit]

exactly! all the richness in one

>  > The Healing Energy: quirling mixture of rather high pitched quick melodies
>[I like this!]

This was an inspiration I had once during giving Reiki. Since then I 
am trying to reproduce it. Simultaneously I saw two snakes winding 
(Spiral!) arround a post.

>  > to Give is a melody down
>[thought-provoking. I will try and see how it feels]

This one I discovered during piece meditations of Brahma Kumaris. I 
observed I used to play it when the lady was speaking abou it...

>  > to Grow: a melody up [also thought-provoking. Must try]
>  > to Work: steady beat
>[I like to focus on a heartbeat-related pulse. Internal, focused 
>work at 60 bpm; brain work at 80-92 with lots of sixteenth note 
>activity; physical work/dance at 120-140; etc.]

right. not every beat means work.
Lightness: rather quick and light beat, often 3/4
Brutality: slow heavy beat


>  > Love: romantic melodic
>>  Tension: disharmony
>>  Hate: free tonal melody [i disagree. Only if it "upsets" a tonality, and
>even then, one of my favorite loop strategies is to build a tonality and
>shift to another right on top of it. Moments of atonal wandering feel like a
>kind of questioning, not hate]

true!
Doubt: atonal wandering

Fun: staccato melody with mixed narow and big jumps in it

>  > Domination: a fat harmony

>the music has some absolute meanings to it. We got global musical
>>  archetypes. Lets use them to communicate!
>Can't wait to hear from others on this!

yes, we can collect a "dictionary" :-)

Serious: the more concrete the subject become, the more dificult the 
discriptions.
To prevent from somone saying: "this is bull shit, I can express that 
in a completely different way": there certainly are many ways. To 
list up some may help some musicians to broaden their expressions, 
maybe more efficiently than scores would...

>dB
>Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
>coyotelk@optonline.net


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>matthias@grob.org writes:
>
>>Fripp called an early family of (classic?) loop pieces watermusic...
>a propos, haydn.

hm.. but thats not loopy, is it?
there is also Moldau...
Patrick Moraz had a band called Refugee before he joined Yes and 
there is a great composition about the Grand Canyon...

when I was in Juazeiro, the native town of Joao Gilberto (pioneer of 
Bossa Nova), situated at the boarder of the big San Francisco River, 
I was impressed by it and such was the concert and then they told me 
that every musician that visits the city writes a song about the 
river :-)

But my point was rather whether loops had to do with water...

>also: the novel of same name, by t. coraghessan boyle.
>dt / s-c


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>hi i finished a lo fi looper based in the tms3478nl voice recording 
>chip,and a 41256 dram,used the schematic from the datasheet,i've 
>found this chip in a local electronics shop here in Montevideo,where 
>they xeroxed tge datasheet for me,couldn't find anithing in google 
>about it,it's capable of up to 4 minutes recording with four 1mb x 1 
>bit drams,16,32 or 64 khz sampling rate...sounds great...
>i hope we can find those chips somewhere else in the world,because i 
>bought the only three they had left...
>

great!
so you managed to program the thing... does it do Multiply?
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>Kim mentionned a mod for the old Oberheim branded EDPs where 2 resistors
>need to be changed in order to improve the I/O gain, does anybody know where
>I could find those resistors? Radio shack has some, but only 5%, and not
>metal.

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>Matthias said
>
>>  we got a pile of different brains of different phases of evolutions
>>   and they dont colaborate perfectly,
>
>Amazing,
>and in different people (&at different times) one or
>other of these 'different brains' dominates.
>(which explains a lot)
>
>We should make music that appeals to
>the 'rational/compassionate brain'.
>(or what should it be called)
>
>andy butler

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>They are close but they are not exact. It'll be a persussion part that's
>just a groove so if it were only to take half of the phrase for the last one
>it would be fine but not for the entire song so I guess Hans' first method
>wouldn't work and the second one is too much to deal with when I don't
>really know how many bars they song really is when I start the loop.
>I used the number 19 as a random number for getting my point across.
>I run into this problem when I loop a long Dylan song that has odd measures.
>I know I'm taking a chance when I do it cuz I'm doing it on the fly but it
>would be nice if it would just quantize itself.

well, its not that easy, if you think about it: when executing that 
function, the whole cycle structure has to be changed to half as long 
cycles, or we would have to allow half cycles which then turns the 
whole display and understanding more complex.

>Thanks for pointing this Matthias. Any other ideas? Maybe this could be a
>change for the next software edition.

I hope we make it!


>
>-Arthur Lee
>www.arthurleemusic.com
>
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>From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org]
>Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 12:28 PM
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>
>
>Sorry, I did not see that when I posted my answer (because you
>screwed the subject, Hans ;-)
>
>Amazing different answers. It seems that Hans understands that the
>two bars of the original loop are equal... are they, Arthur?
>
>>Arthur,
>>
>>I'll assume that you're not syncing to a drum machine, since in that
>>case what you want to do would be automatic with Loop4.
>>
>>One simple way, which would work with any version of the Loop software,
>>would be to end Record with Multiply after the first bar, and then to
>>close the loop with Multiply (Roundmode=ON) at the end of the second
>>bar.  This will create the loop as two cycles.  Then just multiply it
>>out to 19.  This should also work if you're synced to a drum machine but
>>using Loop3.
>>
>>In Loop4, you could set 8ths/Cycle to 2 with Quantize=8ths, record it as
>>a two-bar cycle, and then when you multiply it out end Multiply with
>>Record during the 19th cycle (the cycle count will read 9).  This will
>>redefine the loop as a single cycle, so you would then have to change
>>8ths/cycle to 19 to be able to quantize to the end of each bar.  I'd
>>probably go with the first method.
>>
>>
>>Happy Camping,
>>
>>-Hans
>>
>>
>>P.S. Thanks Andre :)
>>
>>
>>>   Does anyone know if there is a way to have the Multiply function
>>>   quantize to
>>>   odd bar multiples?
>>>   E.G. Say you have a 2 bar drum loop and you use the multiply function
>>>   for a
>>>   song that is, say, 19 bars long. Is there a way you can get the
>>>   Multiply to
>>>   quantize the extra bar (since it's not a multiple of 2) so you don't
>>>   have a
>>>   bar of silence until the next multiple of 2 cycles around?
>>>
>>>   I would be one happy camper if it could pull that off!
>>>
>>>   -Arthur Lee
>
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"how many of you actually take advantage of the flexible patching functionality during performance, versus merely coming up with an overall "set it & forget it" configuration?"

what exactly do you mean by "flexible patching functionality"?  are you talking about continuous control within presets (panning, gain inc/dec, etc.)?  the switchblade offers a whole slew of options other than basic patching.

-jim (switchblade 8B user)

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"how many of you actually take advantage of the flexible patching functionality during performance, versus merely coming up with an overall "set it & forget it" configuration?"


what exactly do you mean by "flexible patching functionality"?  are you talking about continuous control within presets (panning, gain inc/dec, etc.)?  the switchblade offers a whole slew of options other than basic patching.


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At 03:01 PM 9/28/2002 -0700, JAMES FOWLER, III wrote:

>what exactly do you mean by "flexible patching functionality"?  are you 
>talking about continuous control within presets (panning, gain inc/dec, 
>etc.)?  the switchblade offers a whole slew of options other than basic 
>patching.

Sorry.  From the other posts here, I was thinking the Switchblade was 
merely an automated patchbay and didn't realize it was more 
fully-featured.  In particular, I'm curious about the ability to change the 
order of different modules, switch source/destination paths, etc.  The type 
of things you would do on a regular basis with your typical patch-panel in 
the studio.

I'm curious if, during performance, people find that kind of flexibility to 
be a real boon or more confusing than it's worth.

         -c-

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Matthias,

> btw: I was not complaining about this list, this time. In the past I
> had serious problems, now I feel fine. Maybe because I got used to
> some expressions, but also because you guys behave!
> :-)


One of your "problems" is Spring's in the air in Brazil?  :-)
I'm going to assume that more than 1/2 of this list is northern hemisphere.
Fall's groovy, but Spring is ooh, la-lala...?

A recent talk of Nature and Water Music leads naturally into Music of the
Seasons...

Fall to me is a quickening of time, days shorter, needing more punch and
tempo compression.  On the other hand, the evenings are longer, and that is
a sweet and mellow lengthening of a little night music.

-David
45.60 N.  122.60 W.



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"I'm curious about the ability to change the order of different modules, switch source/destination paths, etc."

if by "modules" you mean effects units and how and to where they are routed, then the switchblade is a great unit.  it's very intuitive.  it really is an "anything to anything" routing unit.  i currently have 10 very different routing paths programmed and i can switch freely and easily between them in live performance and i'm always building more as the opportunity/need presents itself.  

"I'm curious if, during performance, people find that kind of flexibility to 
be a real boon or more confusing than it's worth."

no, i don't consider it a boon at all; rather, the device is quite easy to operate.  nearly every aspect of the switching is adjustable (input/output gain...even the time it takes to switch from one preset to another is adjustable...you can pan and control gain in realtime).  it really depends on what you're looking for as far as flexibility goes.  needless to say, in a studio time is not quite so pressing so a normal patchbay would work fine but in a live situation, the switchblade gracefully introduces itself into the mix (pun fully intended) and actually offers a lot more than your average patchbay.

if you'd like some in-depth user experience, please feel free to email me privately so as not to take up bandwidth with my lengthy explanations.

-jim 

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"I'm curious about the ability to change the order of different modules, switch source/destination paths, etc."


if by "modules" you mean effects units and how and to where they are routed, then the switchblade is a great unit.  it's very intuitive.  it really is an "anything to anything" routing unit.  i currently have 10 very different routing paths programmed and i can switch freely and easily between them in live performance and i'm always building more as the opportunity/need presents itself.  


"I'm curious if, during performance, people find that kind of flexibility to 
be a real boon or more confusing than it's worth."

no, i don't consider it a boon at all; rather, the device is quite easy to operate.  nearly every aspect of the switching is adjustable (input/output gain...even the time it takes to switch from one preset to another is adjustable...you can pan and control gain in realtime).  it really depends on what you're looking for as far as flexibility goes.  needless to say, in a studio time is not quite so pressing so a normal patchbay would work fine but in a live situation, the switchblade gracefully introduces itself into the mix (pun fully intended) and actually offers a lot more than your average patchbay.


if you'd like some in-depth user experience, please feel free to email me privately so as not to take up bandwidth with my lengthy explanations.


-jim 


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At 12:13 PM 9/27/2002, ARTHUR LEE MUSIC wrote:
>They are close but they are not exact. It'll be a persussion part that's
>just a groove so if it were only to take half of the phrase for the last one
>it would be fine but not for the entire song so I guess Hans' first method
>wouldn't work

sure it works, you just have to use whatever common denominator makes 
sense. (Also, where Hans is saying "multiply", you probably really want 
"insert", although there are similar techniques using record-multiply.)

The idea is that instead of recording your initial loop as one cycle, you 
break it up into several cycles as you record it. This can be done 
seamlessly using the Record-Insert technique. You tap Record at the 
beginning as you normally would. Then tap Insert at the point you want to 
be your rhythmic or cycle base, then tap Insert again at the end of the 
part you are recording. You will now have a loop that consists of several 
cycles, but sounds like a seamless loop of what you just played.

If recording loops with the cycle length equal to the bar length doesn't 
work (because your bars are not equal in length), then record with the 
cycles equal to one beat, or even one eighth note. As Matthias noted, you 
do this be starting the loop with a tap of record, then tapping Insert at 
whatever point you want to represent a cycle. (one bar, one beat, one 
eighth note, etc.)

Then it is easier to multiply this loop to the fractions you want.

This is also the way to easily set midi clock tempos based on shorter 
fragments when you are recording a long phrase. If your initial loop is 
going to be 32 bars long, you might prefer to have the midi clock defined 
from one bar at the beginning rather than after you played the whole 32 bar 
section. Using Record-Insert or Record-Multiply techniques makes this a lot 
easier to accomplish in real-time.


>and the second one is too much to deal with when I don't
>really know how many bars they song really is when I start the loop.

Hans' second method doesn't require you to know anything about the eventual 
length of the song. That's the whole point in fact, and the beauty of the 
idea. That method is just giving you quantizing points in the middle of the 
cycles, which you can setup with the 8ths/cycle parameter and the 
Quantize=8ths feature of LoopIV. Then you can do an "Unrounded Multiply", 
but with the new loop length quantized to the next beat. (or whatever 
subdivision of the loop you want to set up.)

Unrounded Multiply is the technique that lets you multiply a loop and cut 
it off at any point, instead of automatically rounding off to the next 
cycle. In this way if you have a 2 second loop, you can multiply it to 9 
seconds, or 1.7 seconds, or 19 seconds, or wherever you want. You do this 
by tapping Multiply to begin the Multiply, and then instead of ending with 
Multiply again, you tap Record at the point you want to be the end, and it 
immediately begins looping from there. The loop will then consist of 
complete repetitions of the original with a fraction of it filling whatever 
space is at the end before it all repeats again.

The technique Hans is talking about adds quantization to this, so when you 
tap Record to end the multiply, the EDP waits to the next quantize point to 
actually execute it. If you've set up the quantizing to match the beat, you 
can easily maintain a rhythmic groove. Your new loop will consist of an 
integer number of beats, even though it doesn't consist of an integer 
number of cycles.

These are some of the various Echoplex techniques that let you modify the 
rhythm of loops on the fly to match changing grooves, rhythmic patterns, 
and tempos.

>I used the number 19 as a random number for getting my point across.
>I run into this problem when I loop a long Dylan song that has odd measures.
>I know I'm taking a chance when I do it cuz I'm doing it on the fly but it
>would be nice if it would just quantize itself.

Well, as noted above, it can.

Another function in LoopIV that may be interesting here is the 
MultiIncrease feature. This lets you pre-tap the final number of cycles you 
will get when doing a multiply or insert. Once the Multiply has begun, you 
can repeatedly tap multiply to set the final number of cycles it will go 
to. The display shows how many you are doing. So if your cycle is equal to 
one bar and you want to multiply to 19, you would quickly tap the Multiply 
until it shows 19 cycles, and then go on playing. It will end automatically 
after the 19th one, and you don't have to worry about it. This is really 
nice when doing a big multiply, since it can be easy to forget about it 
while you play and not end in the right place.

>Thanks for pointing this Matthias. Any other ideas? Maybe this could be a
>change for the next software edition.

I guess I don't see the need. It seems to me the current software does 
everything you want! Practice the techniques explained here and you will 
get it.

kim

Hans said:
> >Arthur,
> >
> >I'll assume that you're not syncing to a drum machine, since in that
> >case what you want to do would be automatic with Loop4.
> >
> >One simple way, which would work with any version of the Loop software,
> >would be to end Record with Multiply after the first bar, and then to
> >close the loop with Multiply (Roundmode=ON) at the end of the second
> >bar.  This will create the loop as two cycles.  Then just multiply it
> >out to 19.  This should also work if you're synced to a drum machine but
> >using Loop3.
> >
> >In Loop4, you could set 8ths/Cycle to 2 with Quantize=8ths, record it as
> >a two-bar cycle, and then when you multiply it out end Multiply with
> >Record during the 19th cycle (the cycle count will read 9).  This will
> >redefine the loop as a single cycle, so you would then have to change
> >8ths/cycle to 19 to be able to quantize to the end of each bar.  I'd
> >probably go with the first method.
> >
> >
> >Happy Camping,
> >
> >-Hans
> >
> >
> >P.S. Thanks Andre :)
> >
> >
> >>  Does anyone know if there is a way to have the Multiply function
> >>  quantize to odd bar multiples?
> >>  E.G. Say you have a 2 bar drum loop and you use the multiply function
> >>  for a song that is, say, 19 bars long. Is there a way you can get the
> >>  Multiply to
> >>  quantize the extra bar (since it's not a multiple of 2) so you don't
> >>  have a bar of silence until the next multiple of 2 cycles around?
> >>
> >>  I would be one happy camper if it could pull that off!
> >>
> >>  -Arthur Lee

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When the mix knob is set at twelve o'clock I get a high pitched whine but not when I turn all the way right or left.  Also when I press mute there seems to be some digital sounding noise happening in the rhythm of the loop I'm muting.  Anybody experience similar problems? Thanks.


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Hi gang,  Here is an important addendum for this gig:

The Festival is from 7 p.m. until 10 p.m. this
Friday, October 4th at the San Jose Museum of Art

 NOT   8 p.m. as I posted earlier.
Sorry!!!

Here is our excellent lineup:

JESSE ROSE (aka AUDIO GODDESS)  7:15 -  7:35
UNITY NGUYEN                    7:40 -  8:00
DARK MUSE                       8:05 -  8:25
CQ                              8:30 -  8:50

AMY X NEUBERG   (SF)            9:05 -  9:45



also, this is the address of the Museum.

Just put this into MapQuest to get your directions if you are driving in.


110 S Market St
San Jose, CA
95113-2307 US


Thanks so much.   I look forward to seeing a lot of loopers there (Men and
Women..................LOL).

yours,   Rick



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Duke Sexton wrote:

> space in my new rack to integrate it if I wish to do so.  My question for
> those using similar devices is: how many of you actually take advantage of
> the flexible patching functionality during performance, versus merely
> coming up with an overall "set it & forget it" configuration?

I'm using the Switchblade in my guitar rig.  I find the flexibility both
frustrating and liberating at times.  I've programmed 10 basic "utility" patches
that I use most frequently for live performances (clean w/ delay, clean w/o delay,
distortion w/ delay, etc.)  Then I have more complicated routing configurations
for when looping is involved.  Even though the Switchblade is incredibly flexible,
there are times when I wish it had more than two continuous controllers, didn't
effect my tone as much, had a programming interface for the Mac, etc.

Matt

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Speaking of water music,   I love to do a short piece in my live show that
only uses me looping and manipulation of bubbles blown into waterbottles
of different sizes (of course, they are all dayglo translucent lime green
plastic------------I'm nothing if not consistent........LOL).

Also, I love a CD of music of the Baka Forest People of Southeast Cameroon
(they have been called Pygmies, but apparently they dislike that term ----
and for that matter, the Inuit are NOT Eskimos,  the Sami are NOT
laplanders)
where the women of the tribe play rhythmic games by splashing in the water.
The sounds are AMAZING and very tonal and, of course, liquid.

Check it out.

Also, on my last CD I used a piece where I sample raindrops on different
resonant
surfaces (umbrella, drum head, piece of vinyl) and then turned it into a
rhythmic
melody.

Water rules!!!!

yours, Rick Walker (aka Loop.pooL)



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At 11:06 AM 9/28/2002, Kevin L. Breshears wrote:
>Hi all, I have a Pocket pedal, want to use it and a CV pedal with EDP.
>(loop III ver 5.)
>
>When hooking it up to in and out of EDP, it missbehaves as if it's
>getting in a feedback loop with the same data. Sometimes the EDP locks
>up (won't record)(sometimes in this state the EDP goes into next
>loop/multiplywith just a press of "record") and the PPedal's light goes
>out meaning it needs a reset.

yes, it sounds like you are creating a midi infinite-loop. Why do you need 
to connect to the midi-out of the EDP? is that for powering the pocket 
pedal by sucking power off the midi interface?

It sounds like the pocket pedal just sends everything at the midi in 
directly to the out, so connecting it to both the midi in and midi out of 
the same device definitely risks this sort of infinite-loop problem.

>How can I get the EDP to "power" my Ppedal and also "recieve" the midi
>vol messages I need? Is there a way to turn off the midi tranmision of
>data from the EDP??

no, when midi is on it is on for both in and out, so you can't break the 
loop that way.

>Or, is there a way to modify a midi cable to carry only the phantom
>power on pins 5 & 3  and not to carry other messages out?( I tried
>breaking off pins other than 5 & 3 , but then it wouldn't power the
>Ppedal.)

yes, that is simple, and probably your best solution. You should only be 
cutting one line off the cable, the one that carries the data out. The pin 
with +5V and the pin with ground you want to be sure to keep. I'm not sure 
how you are numbering the pins, but anyway, looking into the end of the 
cable, the pins are:

      ____________
     /             \
    /               \
   | (NC)       (NC) |
    \  (5V)  (dat)  /
     \____(GND)____/


cut off the data pin and I think it would work to supply power only.

kim


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>
> Also, I love a CD of music of the Baka Forest People of Southeast Cameroon
> (they have been called Pygmies, but apparently they dislike that term ----
> and for that matter, the Inuit are NOT Eskimos,  the Sami are NOT
> laplanders)
> where the women of the tribe play rhythmic games by splashing in
> the water.
> The sounds are AMAZING and very tonal and, of course, liquid.

There's a recording of this included on a remarkable book/CD set called
Pulse of the Planet by Jim Metzner.

Quick search revealed its now available on CD only:

http://www.earthear.com/catalog/pulse.html



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"didn't effect my tone as much"

how so?  i've not experienced any tone degradation, if that's what you're
insinuating.

by the way, which model are you using and how are you connected (i.e. -
bal/unbal, cable, plugs, etc.)?

-jim


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At 5:08 PM -0700 9/28/02, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote:
>where the women of the tribe play rhythmic games by splashing in the water.

Also  done by the Semelai,  who live in the largest swamp area of 
Malaysia. Jon Hassell used this as a backing loop on "Malay" on Dream 
Theory in Malaya (1981).


>Also, on my last CD I used a piece where I sample raindrops on different
>resonant surfaces (umbrella, drum head, piece of vinyl) and then 
>turned it into a rhythmic melody.

Check out "Dripsody" (1955) by Hugh LeCaine. 
http://www.hughlecaine.com/sounds/dripsody.mp3

>Water rules!!!!

Robert Erickson used recordings of surf in "Pacific Sirens (1969)" 
and babbling brooks in (I think) "Summer Music" (1974), in 
combination with acoustic instruments.

I love water sounds myself and often use recordings of surf and rain.

My first piece for tape alone was a processed recording of the 
plumbing in the men's toilet at the Cabrillo College theater (1975). 
That piece went by several titles, including "Royal Flush" and "The 
Deliverance of Israel."

I think most tape composers have used toilet and washing machine 
sounds at some point in their early careers.
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re:  Water Music

At 5:08 PM -0700 9/28/02, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote:


where the women of the tribe play
rhythmic games by splashing in the water.





Also  done by
the Semelai,  who live in the largest swamp area of
Malaysia. Jon Hassell used this as a backing loop on
"Malay" on Dream Theory in Malaya (1981).








Also, on my last CD I used a piece where
I sample raindrops on different


resonant surfaces (umbrella, drum head,
piece of vinyl) and then turned it into a rhythmic
melody.





Check out "Dripsody" (1955) by Hugh LeCaine.
http://www.hughlecaine.com/sounds/dripsody.mp3





Water rules!!!!





Robert Erickson used recordings of surf in "Pacific Sirens
(1969)" and babbling brooks in (I think) "Summer Music"
(1974), in combination with acoustic instruments.





I love water sounds myself and often use recordings of surf and
rain.





My first piece for tape alone was a processed recording of the
plumbing in the men's toilet at the Cabrillo College theater (1975).
That piece went by several titles, including "Royal Flush"
and "The Deliverance of Israel."





I think most tape composers have used toilet and washing machine
sounds at some point in their early careers.



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Jim,

> "didn't effect my tone as much"
>
> how so?  i've not experienced any tone degradation, if that's what you're
> insinuating.

The Switchblade tends to "thin out" my tone.  My guitar doesn't sound quite
as full when it is in my signal path...which is to be expected.

> by the way, which model are you using and how are you connected (i.e. -
> bal/unbal, cable, plugs, etc.)?

I have the GL.  Everything is hooked up with good quality unbalanced cables.

Matt

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Aidan Baker - http://listen.to/aidan
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. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Oct. 1st - Aidan Baker with Pholde & Thomas Baker

Guitarist Aidan Baker (of improv trio ARC) returns after last weeks'
improvisations with cellist cheryl o, for two completely different sets:

Aidan Baker & Pholde (aka Knurl)
The two ambient artists combine their respective sounds,
(Pholde's is created from circular saw blades, car springs,
iron meshing & fan blades, bowed and scraped with hand files,
smooth & threaded metal rods, angle iron and blocks of steel)
to create vast walls of cascading, enveloping, ambient noise.

Thomas Baker & Aidan Baker
Father (piano) & son (guitar) unite for a set of improvised,
avant-garde music, creating fractured experimental jazz tunes
via the deconstruction of their respective instruments.

Aidan Baker - http://listen.to/aidan
Pholde - http://www.pholde.com

Between Sets CD - "Ambient Landscapes 2" by VA (Dark Duck)
This outstanding compilation of deep ambient works features
several artists who have performed at the Ping: James Johnson,
Stephen Philips/Deep Chill Network & dreamSTATE, plus tracks
by Twine, e.Voice p., Alan Imberg & Subspace (Jonathan Hughes).
( Available @ PiNGTHiNGS & http://www.darkduck.net )
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's
finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus
performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia
(aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect
for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room
and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the
club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats
are on offer at the PiNG THiNGS ambient/experimental CD boutique.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Coming Tuesday October 8th - Altitude and Sedative
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. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

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         map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Oct. 1st - Aidan Baker with Pholde & Thomas Baker

Guitarist Aidan Baker (of improv trio ARC) returns after last weeks'
improvisations with cellist cheryl o, for two completely different sets:

Aidan Baker & Pholde (aka Knurl)
The two ambient artists combine their respective sounds,
(Pholde's is created from circular saw blades, car springs,
iron meshing & fan blades, bowed and scraped with hand files,
smooth & threaded metal rods, angle iron and blocks of steel)
to create vast walls of cascading, enveloping, ambient noise.

Thomas Baker & Aidan Baker
Father (piano) & son (guitar) unite for a set of improvised,
avant-garde music, creating fractured experimental jazz tunes
via the deconstruction of their respective instruments.

Aidan Baker - http://listen.to/aidan
Pholde - http://www.pholde.com

Between Sets CD - "Ambient Landscapes 2" by VA (Dark Duck)
This outstanding compilation of deep ambient works features
several artists who have performed at the Ping: James Johnson,
Stephen Philips/Deep Chill Network & dreamSTATE, plus tracks
by Twine, e.Voice p., Alan Imberg & Subspace (Jonathan Hughes).
( Available @ PiNGTHiNGS & http://www.darkduck.net )
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's
finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus
performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia
(aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect
for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room
and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the
club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats
are on offer at the PiNG THiNGS ambient/experimental CD boutique.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Coming Tuesday October 8th - Altitude and Sedative
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. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

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I will modestly mention that for one piece at the Y2K2 Loop
Festival in Santa Cruz, I played a long "water music" loop.
It was a long mix of thunder samples and rain playing on my
Boss RC-20, as I played and looped on a Repeater.

I'm not at all sure the house mix included it ;-( but it
sounded really cool to me with frame drums and overdubbed
didjeridu chords.

Yours in rhythm,
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this exchange occurred previously:

me:
Also, on my last CD I used a piece where I sample raindrops on different
resonant surfaces (umbrella, drum head, piece of vinyl) and then turned it
into a rhythmic melody.

richard zvonar:
Check out "Dripsody" (1955) by Hugh LeCaine.
http://www.hughlecaine.com/sounds/dripsody.mp3


LOL,  and I thought I was being so clever and original..........it just goes
to show you.

Well, at least I can say that I never knew that I was using a 'tried and
true' concept
because I have never heard of Hugh LeCaine.

Thanks for another enlightening post,  Richard.

yours,  Rick Walker

PS  watch for NOH MUSIC FOR PEARL HARBOR  an evening of experimental
electronica
on NOVEMBER 7th (Pearl Harbor Day) at the CAYUGA VAULT in Santa Cruz.

It will feature Dr. Zvonar (up from the southlands)
myself and the venerable Beede,  Bob Beede, who has had a hand in
influencing
countless people in the electronic music world in these parts for many
years.

This will be the first time we have played together on the same bill (at the
last
NOH MUSIC FOR PEARL HARBOR)  in over 20 years!!!!

PPS  I even own that John Hassel CD and never realized that there were water
samples on it.




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I use the gl also and i haven't noticed any tone degradation
i agree that more than 2 CC's would be good and i would also like it to =
be able to transmit more types of midi messages and have fade in not a =
global option but on a per patch basis.

apart from that it's fantastic i toughly recommend them !

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From: "Matt McCabe" 
To: 
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>=20
> Jim,
>=20
> > "didn't effect my tone as much"
> >
> > how so?  i've not experienced any tone degradation, if that's what =
you're
> > insinuating.
>=20
> The Switchblade tends to "thin out" my tone.  My guitar doesn't sound =
quite
> as full when it is in my signal path...which is to be expected.
>=20
> > by the way, which model are you using and how are you connected =
(i.e. -
> > bal/unbal, cable, plugs, etc.)?
>=20
> I have the GL.  Everything is hooked up with good quality unbalanced =
cables.
>=20
> Matt
> 
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I use the gl also and i haven't =
noticed any tone=20
degradation


i agree that more than 2 CC's would =
be good and i=20
would also like it to be able to transmit more types of midi messages =
and have=20
fade in not a global option but on a per patch basis.


 


apart from that it's fantastic i =
toughly=20
recommend them !


 


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To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>


Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 5:05 =

AM


Subject: Re: Patch Bay=20
Question...



> 
> Jim,
> 
> > "didn't effect my tone =
as=20
much"
> >
> > how so?  i've not experienced any =
tone=20
degradation, if that's what you're
> > insinuating.
> =

>=20
The Switchblade tends to "thin out" my tone.  My guitar doesn't =
sound=20
quite
> as full when it is in my signal path...which is to be=20
expected.
> 
> > by the way, which model are you using =
and how=20
are you connected (i.e. -
> > bal/unbal, cable, plugs, =
etc.)?
>=20

> I have the GL.  Everything is hooked up with good quality=20
unbalanced cables.
> 
> Matt
> 

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Interesting topic.  For a really long time, I was basically studio 
bound.  Racks and floor pedals and everything.  Crazy.  Since it was 
all in my hermetically sealed world, it was fine.

Then I tried to play out.

It was a disaster.  I basically tried to move my studio into someone's 
living room to play a party.  It was overwhelming.  Also, I was not 
used to the tear down/set up deal.  I used to play out all the time, 
but all I had was a double rack, amp and a foot controller.  Set up was 
simple.  I realized I had to go back to that, or something in between.  
So I began the big "thinning."  What did I use?  What could go away and 
not be missed?  Did I need everything at every gig?  I noticed that 
with the addition of a real synth (not the shit sounds that the GR-30 
comes with. I could get rid of things like the Spacestation.  Did I 
need to make my guitar sound like a synth when I had a synth?  Slowly 
but surely I got it down to one 6 space rack (Digitech 2120, Repeater, 
MPX1, and a XV-5050 synth module) , a controller for the guitar 
multieffects, and a midi controller for the Repeater.  Two expression 
pedals, one for the GR-30, one for the Lexicon MPX1.  Oh yeah, and an 
FS300 for the Repeater.  Throw in the Alesis Air FX and Air Synth and...

I still had TOO FUCKING MUCH!

But I could deal with it, if I had the 30 min I needed to set up.  
Lights help.  I suck at setting up in the dark.  Problem was I'm just 
not willing to put in the 2 hours it takes to do all the break down and 
set up (add a half hour or so for good measure) to play an hour or so.  
Definitely NOT appropriate for a festival where you have 5 min to set 
up.

So I've now kind of reverted.  I still will drag the big rig out to big 
gigs.  However, when I'm going to jam with a friend, or play a 
festival, the rack and it's pals stay home.  Guitar, GNX2, Repeater, 
AirFX, Amp.  Maybe the GR-30 from time to time, but probably not.  My 
set up is great.  Last Sunday I played with Big City Orchestra at the 
NorCal Noise Fest.  I was up and running in under 10 minutes.  One of 
our bandmates, decided that no amount of pleading was going to get him 
to pare down his rig.  He brought it all and tried to set it up on a 
table outside the dinky cafe and then bring it all in pre set up.  Of 
course, we all had so sit and wait 15 min while he figured out why we 
weren't getting any signal from him.  I internally smiled and thought, 
"that used to be me.  I'm such a smug bastard."  Lucky for all of us, a 
band dropped out and we had extra setup time, so it didn't really 
effect us.  If it had, he would have taken half of our playing time 
with is routing problem.

So... moral of this story? Bring what is appropriate for each gig.  I 
can now go to a cafe and set up in under 10 minutes and take up the 
space of a twotop.  Size matters.  I can also pull out the big guns if 
I know I have 2 hours to fill.  If you can get your rig to 4 things, 
not including your instrument, I'd say your golden in either situation. 
  One of those "things" could be a rack of gear including a poweramp.  
Remember, that means you can have less effects in your rack, and need 
to still have a speaker cab.  (or two if you're stereo)  Same goes for 
my Digitech 2120.  It does a lot more then the GNX2, but it takes the 
same floor space AND two rack spaces.  Same for the Repeater.  It would 
rock if the Repeater was in a box like the Boomerang, but I think they 
were thinking of the DJ/Electronica market.  As a bonus for me, I'm 
finding that my Hartke Kickback Bass amp sounds great for guitar after 
the GNX2 and great for my bass.  Little A/B switch and I'm doing double 
duty and I've only tacked on another 5 min max for set up time.

Mark Sottilaro

On Saturday, September 28, 2002, at 02:11  AM, Louie Angulo wrote:

> Hoi there,
> I was used to playing with a guitar, a couple of stomp
> boxes and an amp, but since i got the EDP,repeater and
> Roland GP100 ,well, is turned into a rack.I am still
> using all of this with my tube amp but i am debating
> on replacing it with a power amp and 2 speakers.What
> are the pros and cons or trade offs in terms of sound
> and do you have any suggestions on specific brands?I
> wanna keep having the punch of my tube amp of course!
> thanx
> Louie
>
> =====
>
>
> __________________________________________________
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> http://sbc.yahoo.com
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At 11:44 PM -0700 9/28/02, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote:

>I thought I was being so clever and original

You WERE being clever and original. Many people are clever and 
original without any knowledge of each other's activities. Sometimes 
people influence each other and sometimes it's just independent 
discovery.

One of my favorite water pieces was an installation by Trimpin that I 
saw at New Langton Arts in San Francisco some time in the '80s. A 
large number of glass containers of various sizes were arranged on a 
low platform (probably designed as a resonator) and on the ceiling 
above each was a computer controlled valve that allowed a single drop 
of water to fall into the container below. The release of the drops 
was precisely controlled to form complex patterns, with pitch and 
timbral qualities determined by the nature of the containers. The 
sounds changed gradually over time as the containers began to fill 
with water.

This was my first exposure to Trimpin's work. I became a fan immediately.
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hmmm...maybe my ears are lying, but my signal is still beefy as hell.  i =
double-checked by plugging the preamp into the poweramp directly.  =
sounds the same...but i am slowly losing my hearing...huh?  wha' d'you =
say?  somebody get that phone.

-jim

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hmmm...maybe my ears are lying, but my signal is =
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directly.  sounds the same...but i am slowly losing my =
hearing...huh? =20
wha' d'you say?  somebody get that phone.


 


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am i the only one who thinks peter gabriel's new album is gorgeous?  i =
see he's credited not only with "jamman" but with (mutronics?) =
"mutator".  and then there's tony levin...

-jim

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am i the only one who thinks peter gabriel's new =
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Not even remotely!  LOL!  Been very happy with the work that he did for
"Rabbit-Proof Fence," too.  Looking forward to seeing the live show in
November.

Peas,


    Lee
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  am i the only one who thinks peter gabriel's new album is gorgeous?  i see
he's credited not only with "jamman" but with (mutronics?) "mutator".  and
then there's tony levin...

  -jim

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Not 
even remotely!  LOL!  Been very happy with the work that he did for 
"Rabbit-Proof Fence," too.  Looking forward to seeing the live show in 
November.


 


Peas,


 


 


    Lee



  
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  new peter gabriel album


  
am i the only one who thinks peter gabriel's new album is 
  gorgeous?  i see he's credited not only with "jamman" but with 
  (mutronics?) "mutator".  and then there's tony levin...

  
 

  
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I picked one up last spring for about $50 or $60. I'd have to go look. That
was without a power adapter and it's power needs are a little odd.
Fortunately, I already had a sufficiently switchable adapter.

It certainly doesn't take the place of my Mackie 1642, but it works when I'm
trying to organize a small-ish rack to take somewhere.

Does anyone have any experience with Digital Music Corp audio routing/mixing
boxes?

Mark

on 9/27/02 10:03 AM, Jason Fink at jfink@cabq.gov wrote:

> 
> Greetings Loopers,
> 
> I am considering integrating a line mixer into my guitar rig,
> a-la the David Torn videos.   What is the going rate for the
> Passac Unity 8 mixer?
> 
> Does anyone have one they are looking to get rid of?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -jas
> Albuquerque
> 
> 
> 
> 

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on 9/26/02 3:23 PM, Matthias Grob at matthias@grob.org wrote:

> - (InsertMode=Insert) Record the origninal 2 bar drum loop by
> pressing Record to start, then Insert after the first bar and Insert
> again during the second bar. By this you have your original loop in 2
> cycles and you can just multiply to any number of bars.

Cool. That's one of the most "accessible" uses of insert that I've
encountered. I generally find insert to be a bit tricky when dealing with an
existing loop, but it's a cool technique to use it to define bar boundaries
during the initial recording.

Mark

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You are not the only one!

I love it.  I won't do a review here, because that would be OT =
bandwidth, and more to the point - it would be "dancing about =
architecture".  Still, I find myself wanting to tell everyone about it, =
and encourage them to go get it.  I know he didn't work on it =
continuously for 10 years, but it's a masterpiece that sounds like he =
could have.  So many intricate layers, subtle and intense all at once... =
and his voice!  Wow, it ages like fine wine.

If there's a Texas show on his tour - I *will* be there :) =20

Doug
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see he's credited not only with "jamman" but with (mutronics?) =
"mutator".  and then there's tony levin...

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You are not the only one!


 


I love it.  I won't do a review =
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about=20
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it, and=20
encourage them to go get it.  I know he didn't work on it =
continuously for=20
10 years, but it's a masterpiece that sounds like he could have.  =
So many=20
intricate layers, subtle and intense all at once... and his voice!  =
Wow, it=20
ages like fine wine.


 


If there's a Texas show on his tour - I =
*will* be=20
there :)  


 


Doug



  
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  jimfowler 
  
To: Loopers-Delight@loope=
rs-delight.com=20
  

  
Sent: Saturday, September 28, =
2002 10:18=20
  PM

  
Subject: new peter gabriel =
album

  


  
am i the only one who thinks peter gabriel's new =
album is=20
  gorgeous?  i see he's credited not only with "jamman" but with=20
  (mutronics?) "mutator".  and then there's tony =
levin...

  
 

  
-jim


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At 05:09 PM 9/28/02 -0700, you wrote:
  Even though the Switchblade is incredibly flexible,
>there are times when I wish it had more than two continuous controllers,
didn't
>effect my tone as much, had a programming interface for the Mac, etc.
>
>Matt

Do you find that the Switchblade does water down the tone a bit?

Thanks,

M....

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CALL for WATER SOUNDS

on Tuesday October 8th 2002, several Finnish associations [nature, acoustic
ecology... etc] together are organizing *the Silence Day*.

One of the silence projects during the day is the Water Concert at the
cinema theatre Orion. The theatre is at the center of the Helsinki City, it
is acoustically ideal place for this kind of concert, and also close enough
for the city people to drop in.

At the Water Concert we are going play
- sounds created by fishes,
- plain water sounds, as well as
- sound works based on water.

We have an idea about ca. 2-hour long program, which will be played two
times during the day, between 11am - 3pm. [OR 1-hour program x 4 times].
We'll also show some video works about the effects of low sound waves on
water/liquid.

If you have
- sound works closely based on the element of WATER, or you have
- pure water sounds or
- fish sounds or
- other sounds dealing with the subject

...please send me asap for consideration.

Formats: CD, DAT, MD. If you're planning to send me your sound by email,
please contact me first.

All the best,

petri

/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_
Petri Kuljuntausta
Niittylanpolku 14
Fin-00620 Helsinki
Finland.

petriear@nic.fi
tel. +358-9-7545407
GSM +358-40-7206149
www.nic.fi/~petriear
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I'm looking for a Firewire CD-RW drive to use with my Mac G4 Cube (running
10.1.5 soon 10.2) primarily to burn audio CDs. Any recommendations on things
to look at or stay away from?

Thanks.
Mark

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On 9/29/02 at 10:20 AM, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com (Mark Hamburg) wrote:

> I'm looking for a Firewire CD-RW drive to use with my Mac G4 Cube (running
> 10.1.5 soon 10.2) primarily to burn audio CDs. Any recommendations on things
> to look at or stay away from?
> 
> Thanks.
> Mark
> 
> 


Plextor , Yamaha, LaCie ,  would be the brand names which jump to mind to get.
I've had various troubles with QPS over the years - their drivers somtimes don't
work and support sucks, but you never know....

Cheers


A

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Thanks for quick response.
Yes you need the midi out to supply power to the pocket pedal.

I got the midi pin config from this site
<>
I also got out my multi meter and found the voltage+ to be on the pin
that your diagram is showing as data.?????(this would seem to confirm
this site's pin config)
However, my pin breaking experiment didn't work, I broke ALL BUT the
pins you designated as DAT , GRN
(wouldn't power the Ppedal)

so I'll try your pin config and break just the DAT, will repost results.
If you would, can you check the site I listed and see if it's labels are
correct/incorrect?

Thanks,
 
Kevinlane


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At 11:06 AM 9/28/2002, Kevin L. Breshears wrote:
>Hi all, I have a Pocket pedal, want to use it and a CV pedal with EDP. 
>(loop III ver 5.)
>
>When hooking it up to in and out of EDP, it missbehaves as if it's 
>getting in a feedback loop with the same data. Sometimes the EDP locks 
>up (won't record)(sometimes in this state the EDP goes into next 
>loop/multiplywith just a press of "record") and the PPedal's light goes

>out meaning it needs a reset.

yes, it sounds like you are creating a midi infinite-loop. Why do you
need 
to connect to the midi-out of the EDP? is that for powering the pocket 
pedal by sucking power off the midi interface?

It sounds like the pocket pedal just sends everything at the midi in 
directly to the out, so connecting it to both the midi in and midi out
of 
the same device definitely risks this sort of infinite-loop problem.

>How can I get the EDP to "power" my Ppedal and also "recieve" the midi 
>vol messages I need? Is there a way to turn off the midi tranmision of 
>data from the EDP??

no, when midi is on it is on for both in and out, so you can't break the

loop that way.

>Or, is there a way to modify a midi cable to carry only the phantom 
>power on pins 5 & 3  and not to carry other messages out?( I tried 
>breaking off pins other than 5 & 3 , but then it wouldn't power the
>Ppedal.)

yes, that is simple, and probably your best solution. You should only be

cutting one line off the cable, the one that carries the data out. The
pin 
with +5V and the pin with ground you want to be sure to keep. I'm not
sure 
how you are numbering the pins, but anyway, looking into the end of the 
cable, the pins are:

      ____________
     /             \
    /               \
   | (NC)       (NC) |
    \  (5V)  (dat)  /
     \____(GND)____/


cut off the data pin and I think it would work to supply power only.

kim


______________________________________________________________________
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SEEYA there if local to Center City Philadelphia :)

"official Rotunda press release" pasted below.
________________________________________________________________
Producer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Remixologist, John Price
from The Legendary Experimental - Sexbomb - AKASH, will be performing Very
Dark Ambient Soundscapes/Space Music on Electric Guitar
(approx. 30 minute set ) @ The ROTUNDA in
West Philadelphia - more details on the nature of the event
and other acts are pasted below:
______________________________________________________________

Today, Sunday, September 29th, The Rotunda will host a punk/emo/indie
show from which ALL money collected will be donated to the
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right to needy families. This includes widows, widowers, unemployed,
injured, etc.
*(More info about the PA Sept. 11th Fund: http://www.pasept11.org)

*Bands/Artists [in order of appearance]*:

Army of Me (formerly Cactus Patch) http://www.armyofmeonline.com
The Ex Jean Jackets
The Oval Portrait http://www.theovalportrait.com
Myles of Destruction http://www.heartcorerecords.net/bands/mylesofdestruction
John Price ( of AKASH ) http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic
This Radiant Boy http://www.thisradiantboy.com

The Rotunda: 4012 Walnut Street, Philadelphia
5pm-11pm. All Ages. $5 minimum
http://www.foundationarts.org
215.573.3234
Even more info: 215.806.5860
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"official Rotunda press release" pasted below.

________________________________________________________________

Producer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Remixologist, John Price

from The Legendary Experimental - Sexbomb - AKASH, will be performing Very

Dark Ambient Soundscapes/Space Music on Electric Guitar

(approx. 30 minute set ) @ The ROTUNDA in

West Philadelphia - more details on the nature of the event

and other acts are pasted below:

______________________________________________________________



Today, Sunday, September 29th, The Rotunda will host a punk/emo/indie

show from which ALL money collected will be donated to the

Pennsylvania September 11th Fund, an organization that supports PA

families directly affected by 9/11. Again-ALL money collected will go

right to needy families. This includes widows, widowers, unemployed,

injured, etc.

*(More info about the PA Sept. 11th Fund: http://www.pasept11.org)



*Bands/Artists [in order of appearance]*:



Army of Me (formerly Cactus Patch) http://www.armyofmeonline.com

The Ex Jean Jackets

The Oval Portrait http://www.theovalportrait.com

Myles of Destruction http://www.heartcorerecords.net/bands/mylesofdestruction

John Price ( of AKASH ) http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic

This Radiant Boy http://www.thisradiantboy.com



The Rotunda: 4012 Walnut Street, Philadelphia

5pm-11pm. All Ages. $5 minimum

http://www.foundationarts.org

215.573.3234

Even more info: 215.806.5860

We'd appreciate if anyone could bring food and drinks for the crowd.

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Hey Rick, why is November 7th known as Pearl Harbor Day?  Some sort of 
revisionist history type thing?


At 11:44 PM 2002/09/28, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote:
>PS  watch for NOH MUSIC FOR PEARL HARBOR  an evening of experimental
>electronica
>on NOVEMBER 7th (Pearl Harbor Day) at the CAYUGA VAULT in Santa Cruz.

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> Hey Rick, why is November 7th known as Pearl Harbor Day?  Some sort of 
> revisionist history type thing?
> 
>> At 11:44 PM 2002/09/28, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote:
>> PS  watch for NOH MUSIC FOR PEARL HARBOR  an evening of experimental
>> electronica
>> on NOVEMBER 7th (Pearl Harbor Day) at the CAYUGA VAULT in Santa Cruz.

Yes, isn't Pearl Harbor Day the 7th of December?

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At 04:30 PM 9/28/2002 -0700, JAMES FOWLER, III wrote:

>   i currently have 10 very different routing paths programmed and i can 
> switch freely and easily between them in live performance and i'm always 
> building more as the opportunity/need presents itself.

And...

At 05:09 PM 9/28/2002 -0700, Matt McCabe wrote:

>I find the flexibility both
>frustrating and liberating at times.  I've programmed 10 basic "utility" 
>patches
>that I use most frequently for live performances (clean w/ delay, clean 
>w/o delay,
>distortion w/ delay, etc.)  Then I have more complicated routing 
>configurations
>for when looping is involved.

Okay, this is a bit more like what I was asking about.  In a nutshell, my 
AudioMatrix will perform the same functions as the Switchblade (okay, it's 
not really as cool as the Switchblade, but since this is a question 
regarding design philosophy rather than the functionality of any particular 
unit, let's assume it is).

So, I'm in a situation where I *could* integrate flexible patching into my 
architecture.  The real question I'm trying to answer for myself is 
*should* I integrate that level of flexibility.

On the positive side, flexible routing would mean that I could patch any 
sound source through any combination of effects/loopers in any order (I'm 
currently working with four different sound sources and five different 
effect units, not to mention the Repeater).

On the negative side, I currently spend too bloody much time as it is 
engineering and managing the gear in the rack, as opposed to actually 
making music with it.  Integrating a non-hardwired routing scheme would add 
yet another level of complexity to the setup, when the purpose of 
stripping-down to a smaller amount of gear was to simplify the setup and 
actually get some work done.

So, the real crux of the matter comes down to the question, "is it really 
worth it?".

If I'm eventually just going to settle on only one routing scheme because 
playing around with this stuff during performance is too confusing, then 
obviously it's not worth speccing it into the rig.  But if you guys are 
finding value in, for instance, putting a line through one set of effects 
on one looping pass, then perhaps adding distortion for the second pass, 
and maybe only sampling the echoes of a reverb for the next pass, it then 
becomes something that's got some real value behind it.

Matt, I'm going to assume that for you it definitely is worth it, because 
it sounds as if you're even willing to give up some of your instrument's 
fullness of tone in order to gain this sort of flexibility.  Would I be 
correct in that assumption?  And John, do you ever feel as if you're bogged 
down in patching configurations to the point that you'd just as soon chuck 
the unit, wire everything up once then be done with it?

Thanks again, guys!!!

         -c-

_____
"i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back"
                                                 -recoil

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At 03:59 PM 9/29/2002 -0500, Duke Sexton wrote:
   And John...

Ack, that should be "And JAMES..."

Sorry, typo.

         -c-

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> So, the real crux of the matter comes down to the question, "is it really
> worth it?".
Duke,
I use a switchblade and have 4 stereo effects processor, a preamp and an
edp.
I have set up different presets: preamp in all 4 efx and edp, preamp in 3
efx and edp and edp's out in the 4th efx, preamp in each single efx (one
preset for each),
preamp to efx 1 and its out to efx 2, and many others i am trying.
I am using this feature a lot, live or home while composing.
I am controlling it with a midi pedal board which is dedicated to the
switchblade.
I have been using mixers for a lot of time, but always missed the chance to
switch from a routing to another one.
Doing it on the fly was very time absorbing and needful of concentration on
the routing rather than on what i was playing.
The "physical" mixer allows you to blend, fade in/out more easily than with
a preprogrammed router, but this was my choice.

Hope this is useful,
luca



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Halo Michael!

Wie du auf LD gelesen hast, sollten wir die Loopsache dem Publilkum 
näher bringen.
Ich habe schon vor einer Weile Looppool.org dafür reserviert, aber es 
könnte auch anders heissen.
Was neu is: Gibson sieht die Notwendigkeit ein und ist bereit 
mindestens den Server und Links von der Gibson Site zur Verfügung zu 
stellen, ohne dass es eine Gibson abhängige Site werden soll, sonder 
eine Kulturseite, von der natürlich dann die Leute irgendwie auch zum 
Echoplex finden...

Nun brauchen wir jemanden, der neutral ist und die Sache organisiert.
Ich dachte zuerst and Rick, der ja der aktivste Festival organisierer 
ist und auch Looppool schon für sich benutzt. Er will aber nicht, und 
ich finde es eigentlich richtig, dass er sich auf das organisieren 
konzentriert, und dann die Daten und Dokumentation an die Site abgibt.

Nun habe ich den Eindruck, dass ein Europäer eigentlich angezeigter 
wäre, wir sind schon genug US lastig und alles hat in Europa begonnen 
und jetzt kommt ja die CE Version des Echoplex, also ist auch Gibson 
speziell an Europa interessiert. Der Hauptvertrieb ist M+M, bist du 
dort bekannt?

Ich habe sofort an dich gedacht, weil du:
- irgenwie vertrauensvoll wirkst ;-)
- seit allem Anfang dabei bist
- sowohl musikalisch als graphisch Initiative und Geschmack gezeigt hast
- offenbar die Web technologie beherrschst
- offenbar ein Team organisieren kannst.

Bevor du sagst, du hättest keine Zeit:
Es geht vorallem darum, dass jemand die Verantwortung übernimmt und 
sowohl ich als auch Gibson vertrauen kann, dass die Idee nicht 
irgenwie ausartet. Dass du irgenwie von dieser Site Kundschaft auf 
deine Mühle ablenken kannst ist ja klar, und ich glaube nicht, dass 
du es plump machen wirst ;-)
Ich hoffe, die Arbeit daran verteilt sich über die LD Mitglieder und 
vielleicht auch Profis von Gibson. Deine Arbeit wäre das 
selektionieren der Vorschläge, Anstösse, Synthese...

Bin ich ganz daneben?
Matthias

Hier Kevin@Gibson:
>  >This almost certainly needs to be approached separate from the goals we
>  >have for the EDP.  If we can grow the size of the entire looper market,
>  >EDP will succeed or fail based on its merits as a tool for artists.
>
>  >Areas I see as a place for Gibson to contribute include our very highly
>>trafficked web site.  I can feature artists, videos, host a forum for
>>loopers (even though loopers delight probably has this well covered)
>>and as a general platform from which to support the looping community.
>>Perhaps loopers delight can partner with us in a two way support
>  >relationship.  I'm not sure whether or not this compromises their place
>>as an objective place for loopers to gather and learn but perhaps it
>>can exist in some form without compromising them.

Hier einige Ideen von mir:
>The main contents of the site would be:
>- festivals/meetings of the past
>- shows/festivals to be announced
>- clinics and workshops
>- links to musicians and performance places
>- space for uploading mp3 samples
>- non music looping
>- psicology, chemistry and mystery of repetion (brain research,
>religion, curing...)
>
>I think the show announcement and mp3 space could be rather automatic
>to minimize the maintenance effort.
>The delicate side is the filtering of the material. Many musicians
>have no space to offer their music and we need to show the public
>what the music sounds like. But its probably not possible to accept
>anyone, any music, any event.
>Maybe we should have some voting system to make the most popular
>music first visible to new visitors of the site.

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"The real question I'm trying to answer for myself is *should* I integrate that level of flexibility."

-i will suggest you do integrate to "this level" of flexibility...see below for details.

"On the positive side, flexible routing would mean that I could patch any sound source through any combination of effects/loopers in any order"

-currently i have the following items routed through the 'blade (any combination at any given time): lexicon pcm70 (mono in, stereo out), eventide dsp7k (stereo in/out), chandler tube driver (mono), a pair of edps, all fed by preamp + eq and feeding either side of my vht 2/90/2 poweramp.

"On the negative side, I currently spend too bloody much time as it is engineering and managing the gear in the rack, as opposed to actually making music with it."

-i know the feeling.  if i spend 3 hours with my amp, i'll spend at least an hour programming and 2 hours playing.  it does pay off in the end, in my opinion.

"Integrating a non-hardwired routing scheme would add yet another level of complexity to the setup, when the purpose of stripping-down to a smaller amount of gear was to simplify the setup and actually get some work done."

-yes and no.  as i believe i mentioned, the switchblade is remarkably intuitive.  once you have everything setup (which doesn't take too terribly long anyhow), getting around and programming is quick and painless.  the actual complexity is masked by a well-designed product.

"But if you guys are finding value in, for instance, putting a line through one set of effects on one looping pass, then perhaps adding distortion for the second pass, 
and maybe only sampling the echoes of a reverb for the next pass, it then becomes something that's got some real value behind it."

-finding infinite value...

"And John, do you ever feel as if you're bogged down in patching configurations to the point that you'd just as soon chuck the unit, wire everything up once then be done with it?"

-er...jim...but who's counting?  honestly, when using multiple effects units, the time invested is well worth it.  i can't imagine the stagnant and inflexible situation that i would be left with where it not for the 'blade.  in a way, i have "wired everyting up once"...within 3 minutes, i can program a new (and relatively complex) signal path...with a few button-pushes on the front panel or a few click-and-drags on the ole' pc.

-jim

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"The real question I'm trying to answer for myself is *should* I integrate that level of flexibility."


-i will suggest you do integrate to "this level" of flexibility...see below for details.


"On the positive side, flexible routing would mean that I could patch any sound source through any combination of effects/loopers in any order"


-currently i have the following items routed through the 'blade (any combination at any given time): lexicon pcm70 (mono in, stereo out), eventide dsp7k (stereo in/out), chandler tube driver (mono), a pair of edps, all fed by preamp + eq and feeding either side of my vht 2/90/2 poweramp.


"On the negative side, I currently spend too bloody much time as it is engineering and managing the gear in the rack, as opposed to actually making music with it."


-i know the feeling.  if i spend 3 hours with my amp, i'll spend at least an hour programming and 2 hours playing.  it does pay off in the end, in my opinion.


"Integrating a non-hardwired routing scheme would add yet another level of complexity to the setup, when the purpose of stripping-down to a smaller amount of gear was to simplify the setup and actually get some work done."


-yes and no.  as i believe i mentioned, the switchblade is remarkably intuitive.  once you have everything setup (which doesn't take too terribly long anyhow), getting around and programming is quick and painless.  the actual complexity is masked by a well-designed product.

"But if you guys are finding value in, for instance, putting a line through one set of effects on one looping pass, then perhaps adding distortion for the second pass, 
and maybe only sampling the echoes of a reverb for the next pass, it then becomes something that's got some real value behind it."


-finding infinite value...

"And John, do you ever feel as if you're bogged down in patching configurations to the point that you'd just as soon chuck the unit, wire everything up once then be done with it?"

-er...jim...but who's counting?  honestly, when using multiple effects units, the time invested is well worth it.  i can't imagine the stagnant and inflexible situation that i would be left with where it not for the 'blade.  in a way, i have "wired everyting up once"...within 3 minutes, i can program a new (and relatively complex) signal path...with a few button-pushes on the front panel or a few click-and-drags on the ole' pc.


-jim

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>Matthias,
>
>>  btw: I was not complaining about this list, this time. In the past I
>>  had serious problems, now I feel fine. Maybe because I got used to
>>  some expressions, but also because you guys behave!
>>  :-)
>
>
>One of your "problems" is Spring's in the air in Brazil?  :-)
>I'm going to assume that more than 1/2 of this list is northern hemisphere.

have we got anyone from Africa?
some from Australia
anyone from NewZealand?

>Fall's groovy, but Spring is ooh, la-lala...?

you are right, we are out of phase, I will bring some subject again 
in 6 months ;-)

>A recent talk of Nature and Water Music leads naturally into Music of the
>Seasons...

right, go ahead...

>Fall to me is a quickening of time, days shorter, needing more punch and
>tempo compression.  On the other hand, the evenings are longer, and that is
>a sweet and mellow lengthening of a little night music.
>
>-David
>45.60 N.  122.60 W.

Matthias
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At 11:48 AM 9/29/2002, Kevin L. Breshears wrote:
>I got the midi pin config from this site
><>

like so many such diagrams, they don't really say if they are talking about 
the male or female connector, or which orientation. that makes it confusing.

>I also got out my multi meter and found the voltage+ to be on the pin
>that your diagram is showing as data.?????(this would seem to confirm
>this site's pin config)

both the data and the power pins will show 5V on the meter. The data is 
active low, so it normally sits at 5V, then only toggles low when sending a 
bit. The power stays at 5V always, and I assume that is the one the pocket 
pedal uses for power so you want to keep that one.

>However, my pin breaking experiment didn't work, I broke ALL BUT the
>pins you designated as DAT , GRN
>(wouldn't power the Ppedal)
>
>so I'll try your pin config and break just the DAT, will repost results.
>If you would, can you check the site I listed and see if it's labels are
>correct/incorrect?

it is right if they are talking about the backside of the male DIN 
connector, where the cable is soldered on to it. It is backwards if they 
are talking about looking into the pin side of the connector. They aren't 
clear which orientation they are describing.

kim



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>From: Matthias Grob 
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>Subject: Re: lo fi looper ready
>Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 18:17:14 -0300
>
>>hi i finished a lo fi looper based in the tms3478nl voice recording 
>>chip,and a 41256 dram,used the schematic from the datasheet,i've found 
>>this chip in a local electronics shop here in Montevideo,where they 
>>xeroxed tge datasheet for me,couldn't find anithing in google about 
>>it,it's capable of up to 4 minutes recording with four 1mb x 1 bit 
>>drams,16,32 or 64 khz sampling rate...sounds great...
>>i hope we can find those chips somewhere else in the world,because i 
>>bought the only three they had left...
>>
>
>great!
>so you managed to program the thing... does it do Multiply?

well,the funny thing is that this chip i found can operate stand 
alone,without a microprocessor,which is the other mode...
i doestn`t do multiply for now,just start,stop recording and play...reverse 
is done with bob sellon's reverse mod(the xor gates trick,the same as the eh 
16,) and double/half speed is easy,just wire a switch to the frequency 
selector...multiply is not ready,needs microcontroller control,and sound on 
sound will need an external a/d and d/a converter,cos this chip is not full 
duplex...but what it really is,it's a great alternative to the zvex lo fi 
junkie,better sounding and with more functions,if you find the tms 3478 nl 
it's really easy to build,just this chip,one or more dram,41256 or 
511000,can be modified to static rams adding a latch driven by the ras 
signal,could sound better with some companding and filtering..i'm really 
happy,i've been trying to build something like this for some time ago and 
now it's working in my pedalboard.... :-))))



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Be careful.  I think you might have to get a Yamaha of a certain model 
if you want to use both Toast and iTunes to burn CDs.  This information 
is coming second hand from a friend of mine who just got one.  I'm not 
sure it was Yamaha, but I do remember there were issues with many 
burners if you want to use both apps.  I'll try and hunt him down for 
specifics.

Mark Sottilaro

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> I'm looking for a Firewire CD-RW drive to use with my Mac G4 Cube 
> (running
> 10.1.5 soon 10.2) primarily to burn audio CDs. Any recommendations on 
> things
> to look at or stay away from?
>
> Thanks.
> Mark
>

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Welcome, Ritsu!

I just had a look and listen... and was a mazed! First I saw a 
delicate lady and then heard Hendrix scream, and then soft then 
etheric moods... beautifull, thank you!

>I'm a novice at live looping-- used the sound on sound with my old
>digitech rp10, but that's about it.  Can anyone tell me if they'd
>recommend the Boss RC20 to someone like me?
>
>I play electric violin-- my stuff is posted on http://www.ritsu.com
>I want to try looping some rhythmic riffs, maybe 2 or 3 tracks, and
>play a lead line over it.

I feel you will do more than that, once you get hold of an EDP ;-)
There seems to be a lot of evolution in your pieces... and it does 
not sound like you will want to bring them prerecorded to stage... 
but I may be wrong.

Do you improvise on stage?

How do you distort?
Do you really use a Marshall on Stage? Are you aware it may not bring 
the several "tracks" clearly enough separated?

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>      Here's the link to the MIDI Ball: 
>Click here: 
>Performance Innovations  If the clickable link doesn't work, the URL 
>is:
>               http://home.earthlink.net/~sabean2/performance.html
>      There's a good picture of the MIDI Ball on this page. Take care, Marc

looks nice... probably the triggers are wireless, not the MIDI 
signal... and it does not seem to be a comercial product.
do you think this is artistically interesting? I guess the public 
just grabs on it as soon as it reaches it, so there is no expression 
exept eager... no?
I had rather imagined the size of a hand ball, so a dancer can play 
with it and create rhythms, maybe melodic things by squeezing it...

thank you for that inspiration anyway!


>
>In a message dated 9/26/2002 12:40:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
>matthias@grob.org writes:
>
>>Random Mark:
>>>       I remember seeing an article in Electronic Musician some years
>>>ago about a band Named D'Cuckoo (please excuse spelling). They had a
>>>large ball that they called the MIDI Ball. It was wired with MIDI
>>>sensors and was thrown out to the crowd. Each time the crowd hit
>>>back up into the air they would trigger various MIDI events. That
>>>would be very interesting to have at a Contact Jam.
>>
>>now this is impressive! and must be wireless, so the ball could
>>probably be "abused" in other ways! I want one! Is it a commercial
>>product? I could not google it.
>>--


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OK, found him.  He said it was iTunes and Retrospect that he needed, 
and he found the Yamaha 2200 to be good and 100 dollars after a rebate. 
  He also recommended LaCie.  I've got a SCSI LaCie that's been working 
for a really long time.  I think it's got a yamaha burner in an 
external LaCie case.  I only use toast for burning though.

Hope this helps.

Mark Sottilaro

On Sunday, September 29, 2002, at 03:54  PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote:

> Be careful.  I think you might have to get a Yamaha of a certain model 
> if you want to use both Toast and iTunes to burn CDs.  This 
> information is coming second hand from a friend of mine who just got 
> one.  I'm not sure it was Yamaha, but I do remember there were issues 
> with many burners if you want to use both apps.  I'll try and hunt him 
> down for specifics.
>
> Mark Sottilaro
>
> On Sunday, September 29, 2002, at 10:20  AM, Mark Hamburg wrote:
>
>> I'm looking for a Firewire CD-RW drive to use with my Mac G4 Cube 
>> (running
>> 10.1.5 soon 10.2) primarily to burn audio CDs. Any recommendations on 
>> things
>> to look at or stay away from?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Mark
>>
>

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On 9/29/02 at 6:46 PM, matthias@grob.org (Matthias Grob) wrote:

> >One of your "problems" is Spring's in the air in Brazil?  :-)
> >I'm going to assume that more than 1/2 of this list is northern hemisphere.
> 
> have we got anyone from Africa?
> some from Australia
> anyone from NewZealand?

Kia Ora

I'm from New Zealand but I got the hell out because the climate was all effed
up........

Spring is a pretty lousy time in NZ if you're into the beach life, but the
skiing stays good into November most years.

SoCal baby....

L8r

A

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Ooh this is fun!
Gary
32.96 N.  117.06 W.

BTW, Fall arrived in a big way on Friday here in the desert Southwest
G

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On Sunday, September 29, 2002, at 04:15  PM, Matthias Grob wrote:
> How do you distort?
> Do you really use a Marshall on Stage? Are you aware it may not bring 
> the several "tracks" clearly enough separated?
>

Good point Matthias.  You'll for sure want to run your preamp 
distortion before your looper and a clean power stage for good loopage. 
  If not, mud will result.  It's one of the main reasons I abandoned amp 
distortion and went for "amp modeled" distortion.  A shame, because 
it's never really as good, but the functionality it affords is worth it 
in my opinion.  I did have good results with my JamMan and a Ampeg 
stereo chorus guitar amp with a effects loop, though.  If you need amp 
distortion, make sure you get one with a Stereo effects loop, if you're 
using the Repeater.

Mark Sottilaro

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=20
>> >Von: Matthias Grob 
>> >Datum: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 18:41:26 -0300
>> >An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> >Betreff: neue Loop site
>> >=20
>> >Nun habe ich den Eindruck, dass ein Europ=E4er eigentlich angezeigter
>> >w=E4re, wir sind schon genug US lastig und alles hat in Europa begonnen
>> >und jetzt kommt ja die CE Version des Echoplex, also ist auch Gibson
>> >speziell an Europa interessiert. Der Hauptvertrieb ist M+M, bist du
>> >dort bekannt?
>=20
Hallo Matthias,

ab wann ist die CE EDP Version (mit Loop IV ?) denn zu haben ?

Gruesse aus Koeln,

Paul Shigihara 

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Re: was <Betreff: neue Loop site>/ CE EDP


 


>Von: Matthias Grob <<=
FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF">matthias@grob.org>

>Datum: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 18:41:26 -0300

>An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=


>Betreff: neue Loop site

> 

>Nun habe ich den Eindruck, dass ein Euro=
päer eigentlich angezeigter 

>wäre, wir sind schon genug US lastig und alles hat in Europa begon=
nen 

>und jetzt kommt ja die CE Version des Echoplex, also ist auch Gibson 
>speziell an Europa interessiert. Der Hauptvertrieb ist M+M, bist du 
>dort bekannt?




Hallo Matthias,



ab wann ist die CE EDP Version (mit Loop IV ?) denn zu haben ?



Gruesse aus Koeln,



Paul Shigihara




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sorry, this one was meant to be private :-(
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Sean is correct, I was tired when I posted about
our NOH MUSIC for PEARL HARBOR show
which will be on SATURDAY, DECEMBER 7th at
the CAYUGA VAULT  not november 7th as incorrectly
and previously posted.

I've been making too many tired posts here.
My mistakes seem to be made 

again and again and again and..........

............but, hey, I guess that's 
looping then, isn't it?

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> Do you find that the Switchblade does water down the tone a bit?

Yes, just a bit.  It is noticeable playing solo.  But I've come to except
the tone difference because I like having the flexibility.  In an ensemble
setting, I can't tell the difference.

Matt

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Duke Sexton wrote:

> At 04:30 PM 9/28/2002 -0700, JAMES FOWLER, III wrote:
>
> Matt, I'm going to assume that for you it definitely is worth it, because
> it sounds as if you're even willing to give up some of your instrument's
> fullness of tone in order to gain this sort of flexibility.  Would I be
> correct in that assumption?  And John, do you ever feel as if you're bogged
> down in patching configurations to the point that you'd just as soon chuck
> the unit, wire everything up once then be done with it?

Yes, I think the flexibility is worth it...most of the time.  Sometimes I
yearn for the "good old days" when all I had was my Digitech GSP-2101.
Granted, my current set-up sounds much better, but there was a certain ease of
programming that I miss.  Now, in order to program a new sound I have to
set-up a patch in the Switchblade, tweak my MPX-1, and then program my
footcontroller.  I know it doesn't sound like much, but it's enough to
occasionally keep me from picking up my guitar and creating something new.

Matt


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At 07:41 PM 9/29/2002, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote:
>Sean is correct, I was tired when I posted about
>our NOH MUSIC for PEARL HARBOR show
>which will be on SATURDAY, DECEMBER 7th at
>the CAYUGA VAULT  not november 7th as incorrectly
>and previously posted.

haha, of course some of you probably remember when George Bush Sr. thought 
that September 7th was Pearl Harbor day and made an infamous gaffe while 
addressing a group of WWII veterans. So Rick and ol' George have at least 
one thing in common.... next thing you know Rick will be producing the Old 
Republican Looping Festival.....
kim


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	I'm also planning to do a water piece so if anyone has some watery sounds
(under water ambience, bubbles, fish etc) please let me know. I havn't been
able to find anything suitable on the net without paying like $250 which is
a lot of money for some fish. Thanx alot :)

Woz: woz@phaesler.org

-----Original Message-----
From: Petri Kuljuntausta (by way of Richard Zvonar)
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CALL for WATER SOUNDS

on Tuesday October 8th 2002, several Finnish associations [nature, acoustic
ecology... etc] together are organizing *the Silence Day*.

One of the silence projects during the day is the Water Concert at the
cinema theatre Orion. The theatre is at the center of the Helsinki City, it
is acoustically ideal place for this kind of concert, and also close enough
for the city people to drop in.

At the Water Concert we are going play
- sounds created by fishes,
- plain water sounds, as well as
- sound works based on water.

We have an idea about ca. 2-hour long program, which will be played two
times during the day, between 11am - 3pm. [OR 1-hour program x 4 times].
We'll also show some video works about the effects of low sound waves on
water/liquid.

If you have
- sound works closely based on the element of WATER, or you have
- pure water sounds or
- fish sounds or
- other sounds dealing with the subject

...please send me asap for consideration.

Formats: CD, DAT, MD. If you're planning to send me your sound by email,
please contact me first.

All the best,

petri

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Niittylanpolku 14
Fin-00620 Helsinki
Finland.

petriear@nic.fi
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haha, of course some of you probably remember when George Bush Sr. thought
that September 7th was Pearl Harbor day and made an infamous gaffe while
addressing a group of WWII veterans. So Rick and ol' George have at least
one thing in common.... next thing you know Rick will be producing the Old
Republican Looping Festival.....
kim

**I do remember that--September 7, as I recall.
And now for a favorite joke.
I knew a man who was half Japanese, half African-American, and every
December 7th, he wanted to blow up Pearl Bailey.
OK, that's it for a while . . .
Gary

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--- "JAMES FOWLER, III"  wrote:
> 
> -er...jim...but who's counting?  honestly, when
> using multiple effects units, the time invested is
> well worth it.  i can't imagine the stagnant and
> inflexible situation that i would be left with where
> it not for the 'blade.  in a way, i have "wired
> everyting up once"...within 3 minutes, i can program
> a new (and relatively complex) signal path...with a
> few button-pushes on the front panel or a few
> click-and-drags on the ole' pc.

James,

How easy is it to tweak levels on the Switchblade?
Or, do you just do volume adjustments on the equip-
ment itself?

John 

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"Third Stone From The Sun

Oh strange beautiful grass of green
with your majestic silken scenes
Your mysterious mountains
I wish to see closer..." J.H.

Spacey David, on Orion's Arm of the Milky Way Galaxy... 
under our shared canopy, not stepping twice on the same piece of water?

> Ooh this is fun!
> Gary
> 32.96 N.  117.06 W.
>
> BTW, Fall arrived in a big way on Friday here in the desert Southwest
> G
>
> Ooh this is fun!
> Gary
> 32.96 N.  117.06 W.
> 
> BTW, Fall arrived in a big way on Friday here in the desert Southwest
> G
> 
> 

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Make your own- I guarantee you will enjoy and appreciate the
process/final product MUCH more!
Cliff

www.om-studios.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Woz [mailto:woz@phaesler.org] 
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 9:02 PM
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	I'm also planning to do a water piece so if anyone has some
watery sounds
(under water ambience, bubbles, fish etc) please let me know. I havn't
been
able to find anything suitable on the net without paying like $250 which
is
a lot of money for some fish. Thanx alot :)

Woz: woz@phaesler.org


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"How easy is it to tweak levels on the Switchblade?
Or, do you just do volume adjustments on the equip-
ment itself?"

easy.  there's a main "cut/normal" feature and then you can have the
individual input anywhere from -54dB (or something like that) on up to 0dB.
so far, i run everything on "normal" and 0dB and just tweak levels on
individual units...trying to keep everything running at or near 0dB, as far
as individual gains are concerned.

-jim



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All that you say is true. (Well, I can't confirm the last part.)

One MIDI channel only. For the pedals on the device, you need to choose
between prog change, notes, or controllers though external pedals (of which
you can have 6) can always transmit controller information as can the
onboard expression pedal. There's also one control switch that works in
program change mode but gets turned into a note in note mode. And the notes
aren't assignable beyond what octave you want to send.

It is probably better built than the Behringer (from what I've heard about
the Behringer) though it does require a wall wart if you don't want to use
batteries.

So, I would have thought that it would be reasonably easy to match it's
capabilities. But...

The Behringer will only transmit on/off information for footswitch controls
if you get the EPROM upgrade and then it won't do latching. Or is it
vice-versa (i.e., the EPROM will let it do latching but it still won't do
momentary controls)? In fact, I couldn't find any cheap pedals that were
good at handling the momentary v. latching issue for control information.

I also couldn't find anything that comes close on expression pedal inputs.

That being said, I've sold it. I just know that if I find myself missing its
capabilities, it won't be trivial to replace it.

Mark

P.S. What I want in a MIDI controller:

2 banks of roughly 5 program change sends (i.e., two devices, 5 programs
each, independently selectable); a couple continuous controllers; a couple
footswitches configurable for either latching or momentary behavior.

I think the DMC Ground Control Pro will do this, but it's pricey.

And that's without thinking about EDP or Repeater control.

on 9/27/02 4:39 AM, SoundFNR@aol.com at SoundFNR@aol.com wrote:

> Beware though, if you want to send Note-Ons
> then you can only do it from a keyboard type layout
> of buttons, you can't program which note number you want.
> 
> ...and it seems to only work on one MIDI channel !!!!
> 
> Won't send a mixture of Prog Change, CC, Noteon
> from the same bank
> as it has a separate Mode to send each of these independently.
> 
> Only got this info by pestering the poor 'guy in the shop'
> so maybe not 100% accurate, though we did get the manual out.
> 
> Costs more than Twice the Behringer FCB1010,
> (which it resembles in appearance)
> 
> ...but it has about six programmable expression pedal inputs,
> (and one ped onboard)
> (but remember these are probably all on the same channel)
> 
> Matthias tells me that MIDI pedals made by big companies
> are designed by the apprentices and the idiots.

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Go to an aquarium/fish store with a portable recorder, as well as a store
that sells fountains and such, and get your water sounds there, for the
trouble of a few hours.  A lot less than $250, and it'd be all yours.

I doubt very much whether this would violate copyright. :)  The fish ain't
talking!

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> I'm also planning to do a water piece so if anyone has some watery sounds
> (under water ambience, bubbles, fish etc) please let me know. I havn't
been
> able to find anything suitable on the net without paying like $250 which
is
> a lot of money for some fish. Thanx alot :)
>
> Woz: woz@phaesler.org
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Petri Kuljuntausta (by way of Richard Zvonar)
> [mailto:petriear@nic.fi]
> Sent: Monday, 30 September 2002 2:45 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: CALL for WATER SOUNDS
>
>
> CALL for WATER SOUNDS
>
> on Tuesday October 8th 2002, several Finnish associations [nature,
acoustic
> ecology... etc] together are organizing *the Silence Day*.
>
> One of the silence projects during the day is the Water Concert at the
> cinema theatre Orion. The theatre is at the center of the Helsinki City,
it
> is acoustically ideal place for this kind of concert, and also close
enough
> for the city people to drop in.
>
> At the Water Concert we are going play
> - sounds created by fishes,
> - plain water sounds, as well as
> - sound works based on water.
>
> We have an idea about ca. 2-hour long program, which will be played two
> times during the day, between 11am - 3pm. [OR 1-hour program x 4 times].
> We'll also show some video works about the effects of low sound waves on
> water/liquid.
>
> If you have
> - sound works closely based on the element of WATER, or you have
> - pure water sounds or
> - fish sounds or
> - other sounds dealing with the subject
>
> ...please send me asap for consideration.
>
> Formats: CD, DAT, MD. If you're planning to send me your sound by email,
> please contact me first.
>
> All the best,
>
> petri
>
> /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_
> Petri Kuljuntausta
> Niittylanpolku 14
> Fin-00620 Helsinki
> Finland.
>
> petriear@nic.fi
> tel. +358-9-7545407
> GSM +358-40-7206149
> www.nic.fi/~petriear
> /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_
>
>
>
>
>
>

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A Mind is a Terrible Thing To Waste


Now accepting submissions to the 
OLD REPUBLICANS LOOPING FESTIVAL

next Pearl Harbor Day (either September 7th or November 7th)

you pick the date.


signed George Bush, Jr.  (president of these hyar united states)

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--- Paul Shigihara  wrote:
>Hi Paul,
Ich habe auch das gefühl das Europa das nächste 
vorbild wird.Die EU zeigt schon das die Europäer nicht
mehr auf ihre Egozentrische tripp sind!
Die EDP gibt es in die Schweiz aber für die reiche
nur!
Ciao
Louie





> >> >Nun habe ich den Eindruck, dass ein Europäer
> eigentlich angezeigter
> >> >wäre, wir sind schon genug US lastig und alles
> hat in Europa begonnen
> >> >und jetzt kommt ja die CE Version des Echoplex,
> also ist auch Gibson
> >> >speziell an Europa interessiert. Der
> Hauptvertrieb ist M+M, bist du
> >> >dort bekannt?
> > 
> Hallo Matthias,
> 
> ab wann ist die CE EDP Version (mit Loop IV ?) denn
> zu haben ?
> 
> Gruesse aus Koeln,
> 
> Paul Shigihara
> 


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I have the FC200, which up until this morning controlled Repeater (the 
1010 arrived via UPS at last!). It is basically not powerful enough to 
control the Repeater properly....

Yes, it only works on one Midi channel. Each switch can send just one CC 
message.... but the benefits of the unit are expandibility. You have 
about 8 jack connections at the rear where you can either insert 
expresison pedals or foot switches.

For effects units, the FC200 is perfect.... however, I believe that that 
Behringer is the only pedal in the affordable price range which allows 
detailed programming..... I just wish that the bloody manual was 
clearer.... I've read it 5 times over breakfast, and still understand 
only about 40% of it :)


--
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I have a LaCie 24x10x40 firewire burner for my ibook, and while I dont 
use itunes to burn CD's, it works flawlessly with Toast 5.1/OSX. I use 
it heavily, sometimes burning 40-50 CD's in a row at 24x speed (there is 
often a smell of burning plastic in the room when I do this).... and it 
still works fine. :)

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I'm putting the finishing touches on a piece I call "Song of the Sea": I
have single-splash sounds made by plucking harmonics on the guitar through a
Boss GT 3 "Trip Phase" effect, and rushing, engulfing-sounding water sounds
made by rapid picking as I move up the neck of the guitar, played through
the same effect and then through the Reverse setting on a Line 6 DL 4. And
then there are a few seagulls produced by rapid down-slides high on the neck
with a bit of echo.
I'm but a humble amateur, with commensurate sound quality values, but I
agree that the fun of creatively meeting a challenge like "how would I
create watery sounds?!" is what it's all about.
-- Ron



----- Original Message -----
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> Make your own- I guarantee you will enjoy and appreciate the
> process/final product MUCH more!
> Cliff
>
> www.om-studios.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Woz [mailto:woz@phaesler.org]
> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 9:02 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: RE: CALL for WATER SOUNDS
>
> I'm also planning to do a water piece so if anyone has some
> watery sounds
> (under water ambience, bubbles, fish etc) please let me know. I havn't
> been
> able to find anything suitable on the net without paying like $250 which
> is
> a lot of money for some fish. Thanx alot :)
>
> Woz: woz@phaesler.org
>
>

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>> I'm also planning to do a water piece so if anyone
>> has some watery sounds (under water ambience,
>> bubbles, fish etc)

> I'm putting the finishing touches on a piece I call "Song of the Sea"

There's a very old LP recording on Folkways Records from 1952 [F-6121]
called "Sounds of the Sea, Vol.1."  It captured the sounds of sea creatures
such as "snapping shrimp" etc.  It was recorded with what must have been
state-of-the-art underwater microphones at the time, but none of the sounds
are any too clear.  I purchased this years ago, hoping to be able to
incorporate some of the sounds into "water" pieces I was doing, but never
used any of them.  I guess I was expecting some bubbling/gurgling sounds but
was disappointed by what seemed to be little more than white noise with some
occasional crackles or thuds.  I had plenty of vinyl records that already
did *that*.  :-)  I don't know whether this has ever been re-released on CD.

One further anecdote about this curious LP:  One day my girlfriend at the
time (now my wife), a folk musician, was at my place perusing my record
collection for items to borrow.  This was always amusing since our
respective tastes were nearly polar opposites.  I noticed that "Sounds of
the Sea" was at the top of the pile of records she'd chosen.  I asked why
she'd have any interest in listening to the sounds of various marine
creatures.  She gave a shocked look and said, "Oh!  I thought it was an
album of Sea Chanteys."

We still get a chuckle out of that.

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At 2:25 AM -0700 9/30/02, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote:

>Now accepting submissions to the
>OLD REPUBLICANS LOOPING FESTIVAL

I'm starting to get ideas for a piece...
-- 

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On Monday, September 30, 2002, at 02:54  AM, Stuart Wyatt wrote:

> For effects units, the FC200 is perfect.... however, I believe that 
> that Behringer is the only pedal in the affordable price range which 
> allows detailed programming..... I just wish that the bloody manual 
> was clearer.... I've read it 5 times over breakfast, and still 
> understand only about 40% of it :)

The manual is confusing, but stick with it.  Once you get the knack, 
it's pretty easy and it's something you can program using only your 
feet.  I think what tripped me up was the manual calls the buttons 
"switches" and the "switch output" (for Behringer guitar amps) both 
switches.  You basically ignore the first step by pressing "up/enter" 
then start programming.

Mark Sottilaro

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Bill Seaman's "The Water Catalogue" video (1984) is worthwhile checking out.

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At 11:14 AM -0400 9/30/02, Cino wrote:

>There's a very old LP recording on Folkways Records from 1952 [F-6121]
>called "Sounds of the Sea, Vol.1."

http://www.folkways.si.edu/database/track.asp?AlbumID=71405&Title=Sounds+of+the+Sea%2C+Vol%2E+1%3A+Underwater+Sounds+of+Biological+Origin&Label=Folkways&Catalog=06121&Artist=&Year=1952

$19.95	CD
$10.95	cassette

Order on-line at  or by phone (800) 410-9815.
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you still might have to pay scale tho'....fish scale,

it's still resonable

k

"Stephen P. Goodman" wrote:

> Go to an aquarium/fish store with a portable recorder, as well as a store
> that sells fountains and such, and get your water sounds there, for the
> trouble of a few hours.  A lot less than $250, and it'd be all yours.
>
> I doubt very much whether this would violate copyright. :)  The fish ain't
> talking!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Woz" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 05:02:AM
> Subject: RE: CALL for WATER SOUNDS
>
> > I'm also planning to do a water piece so if anyone has some watery sounds
> > (under water ambience, bubbles, fish etc) please let me know. I havn't
> been
> > able to find anything suitable on the net without paying like $250 which
> is
> > a lot of money for some fish. Thanx alot :)
> >
> > Woz: woz@phaesler.org
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Petri Kuljuntausta (by way of Richard Zvonar)
> > [mailto:petriear@nic.fi]
> > Sent: Monday, 30 September 2002 2:45 AM
> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > Subject: CALL for WATER SOUNDS
> >
> >
> > CALL for WATER SOUNDS
> >
> > on Tuesday October 8th 2002, several Finnish associations [nature,
> acoustic
> > ecology... etc] together are organizing *the Silence Day*.
> >
> > One of the silence projects during the day is the Water Concert at the
> > cinema theatre Orion. The theatre is at the center of the Helsinki City,
> it
> > is acoustically ideal place for this kind of concert, and also close
> enough
> > for the city people to drop in.
> >
> > At the Water Concert we are going play
> > - sounds created by fishes,
> > - plain water sounds, as well as
> > - sound works based on water.
> >
> > We have an idea about ca. 2-hour long program, which will be played two
> > times during the day, between 11am - 3pm. [OR 1-hour program x 4 times].
> > We'll also show some video works about the effects of low sound waves on
> > water/liquid.
> >
> > If you have
> > - sound works closely based on the element of WATER, or you have
> > - pure water sounds or
> > - fish sounds or
> > - other sounds dealing with the subject
> >
> > ...please send me asap for consideration.
> >
> > Formats: CD, DAT, MD. If you're planning to send me your sound by email,
> > please contact me first.
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > petri
> >
> > /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_
> > Petri Kuljuntausta
> > Niittylanpolku 14
> > Fin-00620 Helsinki
> > Finland.
> >
> > petriear@nic.fi
> > tel. +358-9-7545407
> > GSM +358-40-7206149
> > www.nic.fi/~petriear
> > /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

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> If I'm eventually just going to settle on only one routing scheme because
> playing around with this stuff during performance is too confusing, then
> obviously it's not worth speccing it into the rig.

FWIW, I originally put in my patchbay so that I could experiment with
different schemes expecting to eventually settle on my favorite and ditch
the bay.  I did find a favorite patching scheme, but I ended up loving the
flexibility and using it so much that instead of ditching it, I just went in
and normalled my favorite scheme into the patchbay and left the patchbay
there.  Now with no patch cables in, I get my favorite/most used
configuration.  I now constantly use the patchbay to: insert a volume pedal
between any insert point, change the order of effects, insert a borrowed
piece of gear in between any insert point, and debug some non-operational
thing (all too common...).  Also the patch bay makes a great external plug
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EDP feedback and footpedal jacks so I don't have to reach into the backside
of my rack with a flashlight just to plug everything in when I setup.
Jon

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I just read an article in a Swiss journal about the crisis of the big 
record companies.
they said "The Eminem Show" had its big success because he included a 
video on the CD, so the public bought it although the music was 
available on the net.

So to make it into the charts today, you have to be smart in copy 
protection rather then play well ;-)

I think for us small the situation improve when the big ones become weaker, no?
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----- Original Message -----
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> I just read an article in a Swiss journal about the crisis of the big
> record companies.
> they said "The Eminem Show" had its big success because he included a
> video on the CD, so the public bought it although the music was
> available on the net.
>
> So to make it into the charts today, you have to be smart in copy
> protection rather then play well ;-)
>
> I think for us small the situation improve when the big ones become
weaker, no?

Overheard at a recent DVD show:

Record Co. Exec:    ...but we can't keep carrying on that way!  We'll go out
of business!

Musician:                Exactly.

************************************

S.P. Goodman
EarthLight Productions
*
http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations!
http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine!

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> Från: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] 

> I just read an article in a Swiss journal about the crisis of the big 
> record companies.
> they said "The Eminem Show" had its big success because he included a 
> video on the CD, so the public bought it although the music was 
> available on the net.
> 
> So to make it into the charts today, you have to be smart in copy 
> protection rather then play well ;-)
> 
> I think for us small the situation improve when the big ones 
> become weaker, no?
> -- 

I'm not so sure about that. There has always been ways for small and
indipendent  labels to work together with the major labels on a "win
win" basis. If the majors get less money they won't be so fast to pick
up licenses, distribution deals etc.

Best wishes

Per Boysen
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Doug,
I know what you mean about the LCD screens. For me it's not so much right
vs. left brain as real-time vs. pre-programmed. Navigating LCD screens slows
you down, so I usually try to program one screen per patch for 'real time'
control.

Second Sufis Mike

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Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 12:05 PM
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> S V G wrote:
> >Someone on
> > another list recently made an excellent observation comparing physical
> patchcords (like with the
> > old style modular synthesizers) to LCD menu screens.  He said that the
> patchcords are more "right
> > brain", you can see at a glance what is going on and take actions from
an
> intuitive part of
> > yourself in the patching process.
> > LCD screens are more "left brain" and require you to enter a different
way
> of thinking in order to
> > alter a patch.  Perhaps this way of thinking doesn't come easy for some
> people (like myself).
>     Absolutely agreed. Consider the quantity of "connections" in a
> moderately complex multi-FX unit (dozens, if not hundreds), and how many
> connections are actually available to the senses/hands at any one time
> (perhaps as few as one!). It's very hard to make a decision about a
complex
> patch when an aspect of that patch exists beneath layers of LCD screens
and
> multi-function buttons. I end up drawing out maps of a unit's patch
> structure just so I can get the "big picture." Good, versatile patches are
> similarly drawn up so I can get a "feel" for their connections. I wonder
if
> others use this approach, and if such maps could be posted somewhere...
> dB
> Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
> coyotelk@optonline.net
>
>

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Perhaps this slogan should instead be
"A Waste is a Terrible Thing to Mind."


At 2:25 AM -0700 9/30/02, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote:
>A Mind is a Terrible Thing To Waste
>
>
>Now accepting submissions to the
>OLD REPUBLICANS LOOPING FESTIVAL
>
>next Pearl Harbor Day (either September 7th or November 7th)
>
>you pick the date.
>
>
>signed George Bush, Jr.  (president of these hyar united states)

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How about sticking a contact(piezo) mic to the side of the
tank?

I just started experimenting with a disassembled Radio Shack
piezo electric buzzer, and it was childishly easy to turn it 
into a microphone.  Don't know yet how the fidelity will be.

The procedure is:

-Buy piezo electric buzzer.
-Rip plastic shell off, being careful to not bend the piezo
element.
-Replace soldered-on wires with shielded audio cable.
-Add jack to other end of cable.

Yours in rhythm,
Steve



>Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:59:01 +0100
>From: "Stephen P. Goodman" 
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject:
>Re: CALL for WATER SOUNDS
                         
>Go to an aquarium/fish store with a portable recorder, as well

>as a store that sells fountains and such, and get your water
sounds there, 
> for the trouble of a few hours.  A lot less than $250, and
it'd be all 
>yours.


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> I just read an article in a Swiss journal about the crisis of the big
> record companies.
> they said "The Eminem Show" had its big success because he included a
> video on the CD, so the public bought it although the music was
> available on the net.
>
> So to make it into the charts today, you have to be smart in copy
> protection rather then play well ;-)
>

Sure, though this will only work until people start posting the video as
well...

bIz

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     Hi Matthias. I would guess that the idea of the MIDI Ball could be 
applied in many different ways, including the way you have proposed. I think 
that it would be great! I wonder if Tactex could actually make a small 
handball out of their smartfabric. I know that StarrLabs used small rubber 
balls (cut in half) in a custom controller that they built. Although this is 
applied in a much different fashion that what you have proposed, I think that 
the precedent is already there.
     Marc 

In a message dated 9/29/2002 7:36:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
matthias@grob.org writes:


> >      Here's the link to the MIDI Ball: 
> >Click here: 
> >Performance Innovations  If the clickable link doesn't work, the URL 
> >is:
> >               http://home.earthlink.net/~sabean2/performance.html
> >      There's a good picture of the MIDI Ball on this page. Take care, 
> Marc
> 
> looks nice... probably the triggers are wireless, not the MIDI 
> signal... and it does not seem to be a comercial product.
> do you think this is artistically interesting? I guess the public 
> just grabs on it as soon as it reaches it, so there is no expression 
> exept eager... no?
> I had rather imagined the size of a hand ball, so a dancer can play 
> with it and create rhythms, maybe melodic things by squeezing it...
> 
> thank you for that inspiration anyway!


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     Hi Matthias. I would guess that the idea of the MIDI Ball could be applied in many different ways, including the way you have proposed. I think that it would be great! I wonder if Tactex could actually make a small handball out of their smartfabric. I know that StarrLabs used small rubber balls (cut in half) in a custom controller that they built. Although this is applied in a much different fashion that what you have proposed, I think that the precedent is already there.

     Marc 



In a message dated 9/29/2002 7:36:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, matthias@grob.org writes:






>      Here's the link to the MIDI Ball: 

><http://home.earthlink.net/~sabean2/performance.html>Click here: 

>Performance Innovations  If the clickable link doesn't work, the URL 

>is:

>               http://home.earthlink.net/~sabean2/performance.html

>      There's a good picture of the MIDI Ball on this page. Take care, Marc



looks nice... probably the triggers are wireless, not the MIDI 

signal... and it does not seem to be a comercial product.

do you think this is artistically interesting? I guess the public 

just grabs on it as soon as it reaches it, so there is no expression 

exept eager... no?

I had rather imagined the size of a hand ball, so a dancer can play 

with it and create rhythms, maybe melodic things by squeezing it...



thank you for that inspiration anyway!





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Here's an early advertisment from an early version of the product that
evolved into MIDI Ball:

http://www.zerocrossing.net/scary.html

It's Flash and there's sound.

Mark Sottilaro

RandomLFO@aol.com wrote:

>      Hi Matthias. I would guess that the idea of the MIDI Ball could
> be applied in many different ways, including the way you have
> proposed.

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On Monday, September 30, 2002, at 05:41 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote:

> The manual is confusing, but stick with it.  Once you get the knack, 
> it's pretty easy and it's something you can program using only your 
> feet.  I think what tripped me up was the manual calls the buttons 
> "switches" and the "switch output" (for Behringer guitar amps) both 
> switches.  You basically ignore the first step by pressing "up/enter" 
> then start programming.

I managed to have limited success with with the 1010 today, but one 
thing that is throwing me is sending CC instead of PC messages. I need 
to send the Repeater a CC message of 108 (erase loop), either by a 
separate footswitch or by a button on the Behringer... I cant seem to 
fathom it. The switches all adhere to PC format.... any ideas? Is this 
possible?

Re: the FC200 - one thing to take note is that it only transmits PC 
messages up to PC99 - in other words, the most interesting aspects of 
the Repeater are denied.....


>
> Mark Sottilaro
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> I have the FC200, which up until this morning controlled Repeater (the 

>  Yes, it only works on one Midi channel. Each switch can send just one CC 
>  For effects units, the FC200 is perfect.... 

as long as you only have one uniy to control.
...and of course you can't mix Prog Change and CC 
on the same bank, 



>  however, I believe that that 
>  Behringer is the only pedal in the affordable price range which allows 
>  detailed programming..

not nearly as detailed as most would wish

> ... I just wish that the bloody manual was 
>  clearer.... I've read it 5 times over breakfast, and still understand 
>  only about 40% of it :)
> 

thanks for sharing the info Stuart,
the manual is actually OK, its just that
the programming is stupidly complicated.
The only way to suceed is to take the manual to the unit
and proceed step by step.
Its not actually difficult, just an long and involved process.

andy butler(sharing your MIDIprogrammingfrustrationheadache) 
  

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Thanks for the info Mark,


> One MIDI channel only. 

I thought so,but just seemed so totally mad that I had doubts.

>  For the pedals on the device, you need to choose
>  between prog change, notes, or controllers though external pedals (of which
>  you can have 6) can always transmit controller information as can the
>  onboard expression pedal.

So thats seven CC pedals on one Channel,
Well perhaps you can use  a switch instead of a pedal, which 
would give you some extra options. 
A switch could be latching or non-latching.

....but then this is stupid, because you're going to end up
with all these extra switches 


>  There's also one control switch that works in
>  program change mode but gets turned into a note in note mode. And the notes
>  aren't assignable beyond what octave you want to send.
>  
>  It is probably better built than the Behringer (from what I've heard about
>  the Behringer) though it does require a wall wart if you don't want to use
>  batteries.

Behringer is well built.


>  
>  So, I would have thought that it would be reasonably easy to match it's
>  capabilities. But...
>  
>  The Behringer will only transmit on/off information for footswitch controls
>  if you get the EPROM upgrade and then it won't do latching.

I think the upgrade only lets you use both CC functions in an 
alternating fashion.
i.e. if you use both CC functions with the same channel and CC No.
then you send one CC value on the first press, and another on the second
(and so on)
so you can program  a latching CC 

>  Or is it
>  vice-versa (i.e., the EPROM will let it do latching but it still won't do
>  momentary controls)? In fact, I couldn't find any cheap pedals that were
>  good at handling the momentary v. latching issue for control information.
>  
>  I also couldn't find anything that comes close on expression pedal inputs.

the Yamaha MFC-10 has an onboard pedal, and inputs for 4 
pedals with programmable CC, Chanel and range( reverse allowed)
...but don't even think about it for looper control, there's a delay
of almost 100ms on the switches

>  
>  That being said, I've sold it. I just know that if I find myself missing 
its
>  capabilities, it won't be trivial to replace it.
>  
>  Mark
>  
>  P.S. What I want in a MIDI controller:
>

Just a sensibly designed footpedal,
that's all we want ;-)



andy butler   

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You select the preset you want to program- then once you get into program
mode any footswitch which is lit means it is active for that particular
preset- each footswitch has a small label which shows PC or CC- I think
pedals 6 and 7 are for CC messages- so you press and hold to turn on/off-
then you press any lit switch to edit its value (it begins to blink)- press
bank up- enter the cc# you want and so fourth- anyway I was stumped the same
way at first- I hope this helps-
Cliff

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>
> On Monday, September 30, 2002, at 05:41 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote:
>
> > The manual is confusing, but stick with it.  Once you get the knack,
> > it's pretty easy and it's something you can program using only your
> > feet.  I think what tripped me up was the manual calls the buttons
> > "switches" and the "switch output" (for Behringer guitar amps) both
> > switches.  You basically ignore the first step by pressing "up/enter"
> > then start programming.
>
> I managed to have limited success with with the 1010 today, but one
> thing that is throwing me is sending CC instead of PC messages. I need
> to send the Repeater a CC message of 108 (erase loop), either by a
> separate footswitch or by a button on the Behringer... I cant seem to
> fathom it. The switches all adhere to PC format.... any ideas? Is this
> possible?
>
> Re: the FC200 - one thing to take note is that it only transmits PC
> messages up to PC99 - in other words, the most interesting aspects of
> the Repeater are denied.....
>
>
> >
> > Mark Sottilaro
> --
> Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project
> http://www.solostring.com
> stuart@solostring.com
>
>
>


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am 29.09.2002 19:20 Uhr schrieb Mark Hamburg unter mark_hamburg@baymoon.com:

> I'm looking for a Firewire CD-RW drive to use with my Mac G4 Cube (running
> 10.1.5 soon 10.2) primarily to burn audio CDs. Any recommendations on things
> to look at or stay away from?
> 
> Thanks.
> Mark
> 
I use a Teac on my G3-Powerbook with OS 9.2. And never had problems.
Carsten

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Digital Performer 3 has a module called POLAR (Performance Orientated Loop
Assisted Recording) that can do some amazing Loop recording.  It's also a kick
ass hard drive audio/midi recording program for Mac OS9, with an OSX version in
development.

I've barely scratched the surface of POLAR, but it seems amazingly powerful.
If I could automate the volume of each track to simulate feedback, it would be
nearly perfect.  Maybe future versions will have some form of feedback control.

for more info: http://www.motu.com

Mark Sottilaro

Carsten Wegener wrote:

>
> I love my EDP, but sometimes when I´d like to work out a nice idea, I regret
> that it´s imposible to record each new layer on a separate track of a
> harddisk-recorder like Logic audio without loosing the spontanity and
> intuitve handling of the EDP. Does anyone know if there´s some software out
> (for mac) that can do this?
> Thanks Carsten

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Thanks Cliff....

I tried doing the exactly the same this morning, but it did not work.... 
maybe it was just a lack of caffeine in my blood-steam. I'll try again 
now :)


On Monday, September 30, 2002, at 10:45 PM, Clifford Novey wrote:

> You select the preset you want to program- then once you get into 
> program
> mode any footswitch which is lit means it is active for that particular
> preset- each footswitch has a small label which shows PC or CC- I think
> pedals 6 and 7 are for CC messages- so you press and hold to turn 
> on/off-
> then you press any lit switch to edit its value (it begins to blink)- 
> press
> bank up- enter the cc# you want and so fourth- anyway I was stumped the 
> same
> way at first- I hope this helps-
> Cliff--
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So... another loop list?  Why?  Is Loopers D not enough?  I subscribed
because I wanted to hear the mp3 file.  Is that what people are using this
list for?  A posting place?

Mark Sottilaro

Bret wrote:

> which is the file section of loopmusic yahoo group:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LoopMusic/
> It sounds way cool.

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I myself was thinking that it was future shock and somehow related to the
acceleration of change to the extent that someone decided to simply shorten
the year.  And I thought- cool, I never loved December anyway- except for
the George Winston CD.

-----Original Message-----
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Sean is correct, I was tired when I posted about
our NOH MUSIC for PEARL HARBOR show
which will be on SATURDAY, DECEMBER 7th at
the CAYUGA VAULT  not november 7th as incorrectly
and previously posted.

I've been making too many tired posts here.
My mistakes seem to be made

again and again and again and..........

............but, hey, I guess that's
looping then, isn't it?

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I cant seem to get this working. I've programmed bank 1, with both 
switches 6 & 7 active, both with the CC set to 108 with the value of the 
message 123 (which the Repeater manual says should clear the loop).... 
and it does not work :(

Does anyone else use the 'Erase Loop' feature in OS1.1? Have they got it 
working with the Behringer? Its a shame that the OS did not include 
'clear track #1" thinking about it.... but thats another story....

--
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Oh- well make sure the midi channel is set in global mode to match the
Repeater and also you must add to those cc values to make it work- I think
you add 1 or 2 so if Rptr manual says 100 you program 101 or 102- the
archives definitely have info on this-
Cliff

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> I cant seem to get this working. I've programmed bank 1, with both
> switches 6 & 7 active, both with the CC set to 108 with the value of the
> message 123 (which the Repeater manual says should clear the loop)....
> and it does not work :(
>
> Does anyone else use the 'Erase Loop' feature in OS1.1? Have they got it
> working with the Behringer? Its a shame that the OS did not include
> 'clear track #1" thinking about it.... but thats another story....
>
> --
> Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project
> http://www.solostring.com
> stuart@solostring.com
>
>


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Also, is there a reason you are programming 2 cc messages of the same value
in that 1 patch? You should only need switch 6 active I would think-
Cliff

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stuart Wyatt" 

> > I cant seem to get this working. I've programmed bank 1, with both
> > switches 6 & 7 active, both with the CC set to 108 with the value of the
> > message 123 (which the Repeater manual says should clear the loop)....
> > and it does not work :(


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That cracked it.... I screwed up about half an hour ago, and did a 
factory reset.... I forgot to re-setup the midi channels....

I consider myself quite technical minded, but by god, this manual is 
hard to follow. :) Thanks for all your help... I'll be burning the 
midnight oil for sometime yet :)

- Stu

On Monday, September 30, 2002, at 11:25 PM, Clifford Novey wrote:

> Oh- well make sure the midi channel is set in global mode to match the
> Repeater and also you must add to those cc values to make it work- I 
> think
> you add 1 or 2 so if Rptr manual says 100 you program 101 or 102- the
> archives definitely have info on this-
> Cliff

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Hi,
Behringer is taking requests to improve the FCB 1010
i requested to have toggle and momentary switch
functions but more Midi Channels and cc´s would be
nice as well
cu
Louie








> On Monday, September 30, 2002, at 02:54  AM, Stuart
> Wyatt wrote:
> 
> > For effects units, the FC200 is perfect....
> however, I believe that 
> > that Behringer is the only pedal in the affordable
> price range which 
> > allows detailed programming..... I just wish that
> the bloody manual 
> > was clearer.... I've read it 5 times over
> breakfast, and still 
> > understand only about 40% of it :)
> 
> The manual is confusing, but stick with it.  Once
> you get the knack, 
> it's pretty easy and it's something you can program
> using only your 
> feet.  I think what tripped me up was the manual
> calls the buttons 
> "switches" and the "switch output" (for Behringer
> guitar amps) both 
> switches.  You basically ignore the first step by
> pressing "up/enter" 
> then start programming.
> 
> Mark Sottilaro
> 


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Is it only me that thinks Eminem's sense of rhythm is completely off?  Not only
do I seem to have to (when I can't avoid him) here is asinine rhetoric, but
it's rhythmically all over the place.  I'm not just talking "loose" I'm taking
"suck."  Don't perpetrate the stereotype...

Reminds me of an open blues jam in Ithaca New York called "Blue Monday" at a
club called "the Nines"  All night the harmonica player would pull out a
harmonica in a major key, while the music that went on around him was in the
blues pentatonic minor.  My friend Katrin and I were the only ones that seemed
to have an issue with this.  Do people just not hear?

Mark Sottilaro

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On Monday, September 30, 2002, at 11:35 PM, Clifford Novey wrote:

> Also, is there a reason you are programming 2 cc messages of the same 
> value
> in that 1 patch? You should only need switch 6 active I would think-

I got confused with the manual (yet again). I thought that switch1 meant 
an external footswitch (i.e. Boss FS-5U) plugged into the back (in 
connection Switch 1).... I realised my error after reading the manual 
yet again.... I originally programmed the two CC messages (switch1 and 
switch2) to check to see if the external switches were working.... me = 
stupid tonight.

I've just cracked the Behringer 100% now.... For the first time, I can 
press a series of buttons and erase the current loop, set the panning 
for each of the tracks, and automatically set channel two for 
recording.... *WOW*, I've been waiting for this!

*SMILES* :) :) :)

Thanks again Cliff
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Hi,

I'd also suggest having a global option that limits the amount banks, 
similar to the FC-200. I think that I will use a maximum of 3 banks to 
control the Repeater the way that I want to... and to limit the bank 
selection to toggle between bank  0,1 & 2 would be very useful. I'd also 
like to see more CC control - maybe having an option where you select 
whether you want to send a PC or a CC message for each of the 7 
configurable midi messages...

Up to four external volume pedals/footswitches would be nice to, similar 
to the FC200....

.... but then I'm being picky :) For 150EUR, I'm extremely happy with 
what I have.... :)

>
> Hi,
> Behringer is taking requests to improve the FCB 1010
> i requested to have toggle and momentary switch
> functions but more Midi Channels and cc¥s would be
> nice as well
> cu
> Louie
>
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Hi all—
I attempted to change the battery in my RFC-1, the full featured MIDI foot
controller I used before I acquired the PMC-10.  On the advice of Dr.
Richard, I ordered a battery from Parts Express that matched the specs.
However, when it arrived, I found that it did not match the dimensions of
the old battery.
Worse, there is no indication of polarity on the old battery or on the
circuit board (thanks, Emmett).  My question: Help!!!
OK, let’s phrase it in the form of a question.  Anybody feel like taking
their RFC-1 apart to see which end is which?  The specs of the new battery
are the same, so I might try using it (running leads from it to the circuit
board) but I don’t want to blow this thing up.
Clueless in San Diego,
Gary

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Hi,

hey I got one of the rfc-1' and do you have the specs of the batery that your  ordered and a part # that would be very helpful to me as well as I have had the orginal battery in it since I got it , geez, 10 years ago or so

Thanks
Denis

Denis taaffe
denis@dtguitar.com
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Hi all-
I attempted to change the battery in my RFC-1, the full featured MIDI foot
controller I used before I acquired the PMC-10.  On the advice of Dr.
Richard, I ordered a battery from Parts Express that matched the specs.
However, when it arrived, I found that it did not match the dimensions of
the old battery.
Worse, there is no indication of polarity on the old battery or on the
circuit board (thanks, Emmett).  My question: Help!!!
OK, let's phrase it in the form of a question.  Anybody feel like taking
their RFC-1 apart to see which end is which?  The specs of the new battery
are the same, so I might try using it (running leads from it to the circuit
board) but I don't want to blow this thing up.
Clueless in San Diego,
Gary

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> Is it only me that thinks Eminem's sense of rhythm is completely off?  Not
only
> do I seem to have to (when I can't avoid him) here is asinine rhetoric,
but
> it's rhythmically all over the place.  I'm not just talking "loose" I'm
taking
> "suck."  Don't perpetrate the stereotype...

Really?????? I think Eminem's sense of timing is INCREDIBLE - seriously, I'm
so into his rhythmic thing it's not funny. The jury's still out on whether
he's a remarkable social satirist or just trailor trash with a recording
budget, but I'm well into his rhythm...

Steve
www.steve-lawson.co.uk


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Well, not to get into an off topic flame war, but the one time I saw him do a
song with Elton John, it seemed like he was just saying the words he had
written with no regard to the song's meter or structure.  Like rather than
craft a line with a specific number of sylabols and put them in time in
relation to the beat, he just said them as fast as he needed to before he had
to let Elton do his part.

Give me Chuck D any day of the week.

but that's just this man's opinion.

Mark Sottilaro

Steve Lawson wrote:

> > Is it only me that thinks Eminem's sense of rhythm is completely off?  Not
> only
> > do I seem to have to (when I can't avoid him) here is asinine rhetoric,
> but
> > it's rhythmically all over the place.  I'm not just talking "loose" I'm
> taking
> > "suck."  Don't perpetrate the stereotype...
>
> Really?????? I think Eminem's sense of timing is INCREDIBLE - seriously, I'm
> so into his rhythmic thing it's not funny. The jury's still out on whether
> he's a remarkable social satirist or just trailor trash with a recording
> budget, but I'm well into his rhythm...
>
> Steve
> www.steve-lawson.co.uk

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Wow... Eminem is one of the best MCs out there, in my opinion... or at least
one of the better ones.  Before he made it big he won several notable
freestyle battles against some pretty decent MCs.  And while the content of
his rhymes might piss some people off, the rhymes themselves are pretty
tight.  Although, I haven't sat down to check out his latest.

But hey, different strokes for different folks, right?  I just saw that
Chuck D comment... he was great, for sure... but rhyming has come a long way
since then.

Paul



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>
>
> Is it only me that thinks Eminem's sense of rhythm is completely
> off?  Not only
> do I seem to have to (when I can't avoid him) here is asinine
> rhetoric, but
> it's rhythmically all over the place.  I'm not just talking
> "loose" I'm taking
> "suck."  Don't perpetrate the stereotype...
>
> Reminds me of an open blues jam in Ithaca New York called "Blue
> Monday" at a
> club called "the Nines"  All night the harmonica player would pull out a
> harmonica in a major key, while the music that went on around him
> was in the
> blues pentatonic minor.  My friend Katrin and I were the only
> ones that seemed
> to have an issue with this.  Do people just not hear?
>
> Mark Sottilaro

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>--- Paul Shigihara  wrote:
>>Hi Paul,
>Ich habe auch das gef¸hl das Europa das n”chste
>vorbild wird.Die EU zeigt schon das die Europ”er nicht
>mehr auf ihre Egozentrische tripp sind!

ja, das Machtspiel der Kontinente... Nun, die Europäer haben den 
harten CE Test erfunden, und er ist ein Hauptgrund, warum die 
Looperei da nicht weiter verbreitet ist.

>Die EDP gibt es in die Schweiz aber f¸r die reiche
>nur!

ja, Zenker hatte es sehr teuer im Vertrieb, aber das wird hoffentlich anders.
Zur Zeit hat er wohl auch keine mehr. Aber im Dezember sollten die CE 
Geräte überall in Europa erhältlich sein!

>Ciao
>Louie
>
>
>  > >> >wir sind schon genug US lastig und alles hat in Europa begonnen
>  > >> >und jetzt kommt ja die CE Version des Echoplex, also ist auch Gibson
>  > >> >speziell an Europa interessiert. Der Hauptvertrieb ist M+M


>  > Hallo Matthias,
>>
>>  ab wann ist die CE EDP Version (mit Loop IV ?) denn
>>  zu haben ?
>>
>>  Gruesse aus Koeln,
>>
>  > Paul Shigihara

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>How about sticking a contact(piezo) mic to the side of the
>tank?
>
>I just started experimenting with a disassembled Radio Shack
>piezo electric buzzer, and it was childishly easy to turn it
>into a microphone.  Don't know yet how the fidelity will be.
>
>The procedure is:
>
>-Buy piezo electric buzzer.
>-Rip plastic shell off, being careful to not bend the piezo element.

you can buy them plain for about a $, in different sizes.
I recently placed one into the hole of a flour pot and then into the 
wall a plastic basket to pick up the sound in the water. 
Unfortunately, it keeps picking up the resonances of the wall, too 
and it sensitive to feedback, to my surprise. Seems the water surface 
picks up sound from the air?
But it was fun to play water anyway!

>-Replace soldered-on wires with shielded audio cable.
>-Add jack to other end of cable.
>
>Yours in rhythm,
>Steve
>
>
>
>>Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:59:01 +0100
>>From: "Stephen P. Goodman" 
>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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>>Re: CALL for WATER SOUNDS
>                         
>>Go to an aquarium/fish store with a portable recorder, as well
>
>  >as a store that sells fountains and such, and get your water sounds there,
>  > for the trouble of a few hours.  A lot less than $250, and it'd be all
>  >yours.


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>Perhaps this slogan should instead be
>"A Waste is a Terrible Thing to Mind."

:-)

"A Terrible Mind is a Thing to Waste."

>
>
>At 2:25 AM -0700 9/30/02, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote:
>>A Mind is a Terrible Thing To Waste

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>      Hi Matthias. I would guess that the idea of the MIDI Ball could 
>be applied in many different ways, including the way you have 
>proposed. I think that it would be great! I wonder if Tactex could 
>actually make a small handball out of their smartfabric. I know that 
>StarrLabs used small rubber balls (cut in half) in a custom 
>controller that they built. Although this is applied in a much 
>different fashion that what you have proposed, I think that the 
>precedent is already there.

I just came back from a speach of a dance musician from Sao Paulo and 
somebody asked him about such trigger technologies. He said more or 
less:
"The technology is simple and possibilities infinite, but when it 
comes to create art with it, what is it you want to control with the 
trigger? All approaches I have seen so far have been between grotesk 
and boring."

Well, it took 20 years until the synthesizers became expressive and 
beautifull... and it was not so much due to improvement of the 
technology but players like Kit Watkins, Jan Hammer, Chick Corea... 
who learned to operate it.

Did any of you see trigger controlled dance music that sounded more 
than just "interesting"?


>>  >      Here's the link to the MIDI Ball:
>>>Click here:
>>>Performance Innovations  If the clickable link doesn't work, the URL
>>>is:
>>>                http://home.earthlink.net/~sabean2/performance.html
>>>       There's a good picture of the MIDI Ball on this page. Take care, Marc
>>
>>looks nice... probably the triggers are wireless, not the MIDI
>>signal... and it does not seem to be a comercial product.
>>do you think this is artistically interesting? I guess the public
>>just grabs on it as soon as it reaches it, so there is no expression
>>exept eager... no?
>>I had rather imagined the size of a hand ball, so a dancer can play
>>with it and create rhythms, maybe melodic things by squeezing it...
>>
>>thank you for that inspiration anyway!


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