From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 00:11:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19316; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 00:08:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 00:08:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 00:09:18 -0400 Subject: Re: EDP MIDI Parameter change question From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200207311814.OAA07114@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3111005358_39116_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3111005358_39116_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit that's pretty strange. Do you have the ControlSource parameter set to Notes or Controllers? If it is "off" then program change messages are not received either. No, it's on notes. Just tried it again -- now there is nothing happening at all in the EDP when I send program change messages; that is, no change in its display or activity when I send a program change message. otherwise I don't know why it wouldn't work. can you connect your controller to something like MidiOx and email me a text file of the midi program change commands it is sending? What is Midi Ox? --MS_Mac_OE_3111005358_39116_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: EDP MIDI Parameter change question
that's pretty strange. Do = you have the ControlSource parameter set to Notes
or Controllers? If it is "off" then program change messages are n= ot
received either.
No, it's on notes.
Just tried it again -- now there is nothing happening at all in the EDP whe= n I send program change messages; that is, no change in its display or activ= ity when I send a program change message.

otherwise I don't know why it wouldn't work. can you = connect your
controller to something like MidiOx and email me a text file of the midi program change commands it is sending?
What is Midi Ox?

 --MS_Mac_OE_3111005358_39116_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 00:34:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20206; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 00:29:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 00:29:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Midi Ox Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:28:54 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c23913$f8f0fce0$9a07f843@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C238D9.4C9224E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C238D9.4C9224E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Re: EDP MIDI Parameter change questionHi Steve-- Sorry to hear of your EDP troubles. MIDI Ox is a program (available for free online--do a search) that reads MIDI data streams in real time. Band in a Box 10 has a similar function. Good luck! Gary ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C238D9.4C9224E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: EDP MIDI Parameter change question
Hi=20 Steve--
Sorry to hear of your EDP = troubles. =20 MIDI Ox is a program (available for free online--do a search) that reads = MIDI=20 data streams in real time.  Band in a Box 10 has a similar=20 function.
Good=20 luck!
Gary
------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C238D9.4C9224E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 00:35:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20323; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 00:32:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 00:32:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <18d.bab9b64.2a7a13b8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 00:31:52 EDT Subject: Re: OT: Eventide H3500 question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <5Knzm.A.D9E.8mLS9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes: >I have the same problem with my Rivera guitar amp. It's not line level >and some of my gear doesn't work all that great in the efx loop. Have >to get something to boost & reduce to use it there. you have a rivera w/a line-out that is *not* line-level? that's strange..... dt / splattracell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 00:50:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21407; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 00:48:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 00:48:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020801044717.44944.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:47:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Mains Filters... do they work? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0CAE381F-A4E2-11D6-96D9-0003934B4712@solostring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds like a motor whine from your description. I don't know what types of filters are available in Paris, but surely you are not the first person there to need help with this problem. I would check with high end high fi dealers, they worry about line noise intruding into their listening. What AC voltage does Paris use (120,240,100)? 50hz or 60hz? Is it 3 wire, one is ground, one hot, one neutral? bret --- Stuart Wyatt wrote: > > Thanks Bret! > > I have a feeling that I will have to solve the problem though at my > end. > I'm 99% certain that there is something on the mains loop to the > floor > in someone else's apartment that is picking up interferance. The sort > of > noise that I am getting is a high pitched whine that goes up in > frequency (up to 15-18Khz I think) then cuts off. Playing around with > > neighbours fridges is definitely out of the question - hell, this is > Paris... I've hardly even seen them, let alone spoken to them. > > I'm going to try a few experiments... one of which is moving all my > equipment to the countryside this weekend and trying to record the > bloody stuff there :) > > I'll check out your links in the morning. :) > > -- > Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project > http://www.solostring.com > stuart@solostring.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 01:22:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23841; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:19:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:19:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 22:19:21 -0700 Subject: Re: EH 16 second delay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3C4EACD8-A50E-11D6-A675-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, what about a Repeater with a Vortex in it's effects loop? ;) On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 01:25 AM, Stan Card wrote: > heh heh heh-nice try mark...*nothing* i repeat(er)*nothing* remotely > relates > to the soundwise-operation wise,whatever wise. it is a > one of > a kind animal.they are impossible to find. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 01:45:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25073; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:43:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:43:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020801054236.39240.qmail@web12905.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 22:42:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher MacDonald Subject: AmbiLoop 1.30 released To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1527906134-1028180556=:38977" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1527906134-1028180556=:38977 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A new version of the AmbiLoop software looper for Windows is now available. New features include: * Updated track interface. * Solo button per-track. * Slow and Reverse now selectable per-track. * Mute per-track. * Insert Record mode to automatically record a single, complete pass through a loop. * Set loop time via tempo and measures. * Change loop time for all tracks simultaneously. * Metronome available in play and/or record. * Option to use spacebar for Record instead of Play/Pause. Available free of charge at http://www.evenfall.com/ambiloop/index.html Enjoy! -Chris --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better --0-1527906134-1028180556=:38977 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii A new version of the AmbiLoop software looper for Windows is now available. New features include:

* Updated track interface.
* Solo button per-track.
* Slow and Reverse now selectable per-track.
* Mute per-track.
* Insert Record mode to automatically record
a single, complete pass through a loop.
* Set loop time via tempo and measures.
* Change loop time for all tracks simultaneously.
* Metronome available in play and/or record.
* Option to use spacebar for Record instead of Play/Pause.

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Enjoy!

-Chris



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Health - Feel better, live better --0-1527906134-1028180556=:38977-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 01:55:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25593; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:47:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:47:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020731234723.008d7c30@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:47:23 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: EH 16 second delay In-Reply-To: <008201c238b9$2077c2e0$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Digitech RDS-8000 also had this feature. Smiles, CQ At 10:38 AM 7/31/02 -0700, you wrote: >The EH-16 has a function which modulates the playback rate. A loop would >accelerate then slow down. In its extreme setting this was a wild effect. >You could control the depth and frequency of this modulation. Yay analog! >I miss it, but not the (unwanted) weird behavior it increasingly started to >exhibit when I ditched it 6 years ago as a collectable after 13 years of >service. I think you'd be crazy to buy one now if you wanted a dependable >and serviceable device. > >Bob > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Richard Zvonar" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 9:56 AM >Subject: Re: EH 16 second delay > > >> At 12:25 AM -0800 7/31/02, Stan Card wrote: >> >*nothing* i repeat(er)*nothing* remotely relates to the >> > soundwise-operation wise,whatever wise. it is a one >> >of a kind animal. >> >> Just out of curiosity, what makes the Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Delay >unique? >> >> >> -- >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Richard Zvonar, PhD >> (818) 788-2202 >> http://www.zvonar.com >> http://RZCybernetics.com >> http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone >> http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 01:58:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA26319; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:56:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:56:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020801055554.15550.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 22:55:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: EH 16 second delay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <10e.14fe8699.2a79cfcb@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <6wLzO.A.zaG.u1MS9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Spoken by a true master of the EH16. Mr. Helm can do amazing this with this box and any noise source. I was there. bret --- Loopbozo@aol.com wrote: > > Actually the footpedal was a pain in the ass and added rather > unambient > clunks to your loop, even if you were careful. Which is not to say > that after > 15 years of service I was not sorry to see it become someone elses > box (an > associate of Nels Cline).After tape loops it opened up a world of > sonic > manipulation that I enjoy listening to some of the results of to this > day.The > half speed backwards function possible in the EDP LoopIV upgrade is a > nod in > the direction of this box and it's lore. > > b.helm > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 02:01:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA26802; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:59:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:59:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 2.117 (F2.6; T0.14; A1.46; B2.12; Q2.03) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 05:58:42 +0000 From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Epoch: 1028181523 X-Sasl-enc: oJTZFll8wytlXSCpX0o30w Subject: trim cut issues Message-Id: <20020801055842.F20E06DB28@www.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anybody had problems with the trim cut function in the Repeater? I was transferring a bunch of loops to my pc, so I did the trim cut on all of them to supposedly get rid of the empty space before and after the loop, but when I checked in the computer, it was still there. This happen to anyone else? Maybe I'm not doing it right? Ernesto -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm - No WWW (Wait-Wait-Wait) required From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 02:52:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA30454; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 02:50:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 02:50:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020731234738.0341ec60@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:51:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP MIDI Parameter change question In-Reply-To: References: <200207311814.OAA07114@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:09 PM 7/31/2002, Steve Sandberg wrote: >that's pretty strange. Do you have the ControlSource parameter set to Notes >or Controllers? If it is "off" then program change messages are not >received either. >No, it's on notes. >Just tried it again -- now there is nothing happening at all in the EDP >when I send program change messages; that is, no change in its display or >activity when I send a program change message. sounds like either no midi is going there or the wrong messages are going there and being ignored. do you use your midi controller for normal control of the echoplex, i.e. record, overdub, etc? at least that might tell us if midi is working at all. >otherwise I don't know why it wouldn't work. can you connect your >controller to something like MidiOx and email me a text file of the midi >program change commands it is sending? >What is Midi Ox? it is a handy program for debugging midi stuff, among other things. runs on pc. it conveniently shows what midi data is going by and allows you to log it to a text file. very useful for times like this. http://www.midiox.com/ there are probably other programs like it. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 03:03:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA32260; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 03:00:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 03:00:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020731235222.0231e620@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 00:02:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EH 16 second delay In-Reply-To: References: <3D483D01.195CA2B@pa.msu.edu> <008201c238b9$2077c2e0$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> <3D483D01.195CA2B@pa.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:53 PM 7/31/2002, Richard Zvonar wrote: >Richard Zvonar wrote: > >>If someone will catalog the E-H's features I'll see if I can reproduced them. probably another one is the delay feedback being done in analog. That sort of thing was either a flaw or a feature depending who you ask. With each repetition of the loop you pick up some system noise, and probably lose some high end, so loops subtly change over time. In tape loops there is tape compression as well. People often like this in older delays and hear it as "warmth", although it sucks in a looper when you want the loop to stay the same. Digital loopers and delays usually do feedback digitally, so you get perfect copies with only the amplitude change of the feedback setting. Of course, in a digital system you have the opportunity to put any sort of processing you like in the feedback path, which is a nice effect. To capture the "character" of something like the eh16, you would probably need to figure out something about how the feedback path affects the sound, and add some sort of lowpass filter + noise generator in the feedback of your emulation. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 05:10:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA07879; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 05:07:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 05:07:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:06:35 +0200 Subject: Re: Mains Filters... do they work? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020801044717.44944.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 06:47 AM, Bret wrote: > What AC voltage does Paris use (120,240,100)? 50hz or 60hz? > Is it 3 wire, one is ground, one hot, one neutral? Its 220/240 (I can never remember which), and I think 60Hz. Although main plugs (i.e. in the kitchen) are wired up for three pin plugs, it is not the law to enforce this for every appliance like it is in the uk. Most sockets/appliances are connected with the simple two-pin plug, not earthed. The horrible thing about my rented apartment is that there is no earth on any of the sockets in the living space..... BTW: It is definitely not my fridge making the noise. One time I disconnected the unit from the mains, and the noise was still there. Then there are my neighbours with their powertools, pre-war fridges, electric chairs, photon ray guns etc. all producing random noises here. I think I'm going mad. :) -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 05:17:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA08354; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 05:15:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 05:15:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:14:27 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: (Busking Spam) - Under the Arches From: Stuart Wyatt To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <14593D85-A52F-11D6-B2FB-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, In case any of you loopers might be in Paris over the next few weeks, I have found a great spot to play at Paris Plage (Yes... somebody made a beach along the side of the Seine.... Yes its crap...)... Under the bridge after Pont Sully, North Bank of the Seine, Opposite the middle of Ile St. Louis. I've been playing there for the past few days, with one of my students playing Djambe... and its been pretty cool so far - Great acoustics, great atmosphere and a good crowd. I can make as much noise with the 120Watt portable PA as I like, without any complaints. I cannot however advertise CD's, but I can display them... I cannot ask for money or put out a collecting tray, but I am allowed to keep what is given to me.... (mad rules.... given to me by 3 separate groups of police).... They also keep taking my lit cigarettes and keep smelling them for drugs.... I keep telling them, if they want some, they will have to get their own.... Anyway, back to the point of the post. If any of you are in Paris, feel free to come down for a jam/chat. I'm there normally from lunch time until 7pm... however, its possible that I might still be there come midnight. -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 05:34:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA09271; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 05:32:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 05:32:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c2393e$5c4e8300$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Mains Filters... do they work? Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:28:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Stuart Wyatt" put forth: > Its 220/240 (I can never remember which), and I think 60Hz. Although > main plugs (i.e. in the kitchen) are wired up for three pin plugs, it is > not the law to enforce this for every appliance like it is in the uk. I have found that such enforcement is um, selective. New installations certainly follow this, well, they're supposed to. But there are still quite a number of places with the old wiring. Including Buckingham Palace! In the Gold Room the two-prong stuff is everywhere, as well as functionally plugged-in. I suspect it's that which caused the fire during Jubilee Weekend - but of course it's the Queen's turf, and so "it could never have been the wiring!". > Most sockets/appliances are connected with the simple two-pin plug, not > earthed. The horrible thing about my rented apartment is that there is > no earth on any of the sockets in the living space..... BTW: It is > definitely not my fridge making the noise. One time I disconnected the > unit from the mains, and the noise was still there. > > Then there are my neighbours with their powertools, pre-war fridges, > electric chairs, photon ray guns etc. all producing random noises here. You're not going mad. I have recordings made in college (awful, yes! But so entertaining in a MST3K kind of way!) that have the signatures of fridge motors and flourescent light fixtures all through 'em. In one place an "electronic cricket" kind of noise shows up every 12 minutes, even on albums I taped through the stereo. As it turned out it was the on-off cycle for the compressor of a fridge down the hall. Stephen P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Free Loop of the Week! http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack.html - More Cartoons! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 09:52:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25473; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:50:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:50:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020723220102.9363.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020723220102.9363.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:51:25 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: linguistic abuse (was "Loop approach") Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >How about noone, for no one? as opposed to "any body" ? ;-) >--- Richard Zvonar wrote: >> Oh yeah, I forgot to mention my all-time linguistic peeve, >> misspelling division: >> >> "alot" >> >> At the present time is no such word in English. >> >> There is "allot" which means "allocate," and there is "a lot" which >> means, well, "a lot." >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better >http://health.yahoo.com -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 12:58:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05933; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:55:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:55:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D49673D.1C5D5BC9@bagend.com> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 11:52:13 -0500 From: Henry Heine X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Attention MIDI gurus: Repeater & FCB1010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Attention MIDI gurus: To those of you who are using the FCB1010 to control the Repeater : Is it possible to share your configuration of the pedal, maybe via midi sys ex dump? Can sys ex dumps be attached to an email? I am a midi newbie, and it looks as if programing the pedal is not trivial. I'm not really lazy, but would rather practice playing than programming. TIA lazy H From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 13:02:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06112; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:58:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:58:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: trim cut issues Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:59:14 +0200 Message-ID: <000e01c2397c$c75e7720$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-reply-to: <20020801055842.F20E06DB28@www.fastmail.fm> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <72AsC.A.4eB.SiWS9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The trimming does only modify the loop start/end points, not the data itself. To apply your trim to the data, use resample. rs > -----Original Message----- > From: ernesto schnack [mailto:schnack@mailbolt.com] > Sent: Donnerstag, 1. August 2002 07:59 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: trim cut issues > > > Has anybody had problems with the trim cut function in the > Repeater? I > was transferring a bunch of loops to my pc, so I did the trim cut on > all of them to supposedly get rid of the empty space before and after > the loop, but when I checked in the computer, it was still > there. This > happen to anyone else? Maybe I'm not doing it right? > > Ernesto > > -- > ernesto schnack > http://schnack.does.it > > -- > http://fastmail.fm - No WWW (Wait-Wait-Wait) required > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 14:17:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13037; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:12:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:12:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020801181144.85647.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:11:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: ages 5 and up To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <170.114fc026.2a7775cc@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Looping9string@aol.com wrote: > If I might tell you about another little "group"... > > I am looking to interact with Loopers that play BASS, w/ 5 or more > strings... > > I have a yahoo group that has been very helpful in the multistring > bass > community and would love to see the participation of some of you > fellow > loopers! We have several notable mfg.'s and musicians in our group > and we all > have a sanctuary of information right at our finger tips... > > PASTE: > > multistringBASSIST-subscribe@yahoogroups.com I looked for this at groups.yahoo.com and couldn't find it. What's the exact name, and what category is it stuck under? Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 14:18:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13209; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:15:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:15:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: mcolon@VisionAIR.com Message-ID: <6D2F98FE3BF6D511954B00D0B7AF6B560109D379@exchange.visioncomm.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: newbie Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:17:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C23987.ACF01AA0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C23987.ACF01AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" What's up everyone, my name is mike, and i just joined this list. I am new to the world of digital sampling and need some advice. I own a Yamaha WX5 Midi Wind Controller. I plan on using this for gigging, and would like to sample phrases, and have immediate playback. So i am going to need something that is foot pedal oriented, cause i am going to be improvising and doing all this live. I'm not going to be working on these phrases at home, recording them, and then playing to tracks. I want something that i can immediately hit a footswitch start recording, and then hit stop, and it loop it. I would like something that does more than just one loop also. I'm not sure if a midi sampler is the best way to go or not. Should i just use a phrase sampler that records analog, like a guitar sampler. Or is midi the best way to go, since my instrument is midi. And is there a footswitch type pedal for midi that fits what i need? All help would be greatly appreciated. thanks very much sharin in grooves Mike http://db.etree.org/jam ------_=_NextPart_001_01C23987.ACF01AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable newbie

What's up everyone,

my name is mike, and i just joined = this list.  I am new to the world of digital sampling and need = some advice.  I own a Yamaha WX5 Midi Wind Controller.  I = plan on using this for gigging, and would like to sample phrases, and = have immediate playback.  So i am going to need something that is = foot pedal oriented, cause i am going to be improvising and doing all = this live.  I'm not going to be working on these phrases at home, = recording them, and then playing to tracks.  I want something that = i can immediately hit a footswitch start recording, and then hit stop, = and it loop it.  I would like something that does more than just = one loop also.  I'm not sure if a midi sampler is the best way to = go or not.  Should i just use a phrase sampler that records = analog, like a guitar sampler.  Or is midi the best way to go, = since my instrument is midi.  And is there a footswitch type pedal = for midi that fits what i need? 

All help would be greatly = appreciated.

thanks very much

sharin in grooves
Mike

http://db.etree.org/jam

------_=_NextPart_001_01C23987.ACF01AA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 14:28:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14224; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:24:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:24:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020801182446.14041.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:24:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: OT: Eventide H3500 question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <18d.bab9b64.2a7a13b8@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes: > > >I have the same problem with my Rivera guitar amp. It's not line > level > >and some of my gear doesn't work all that great in the efx loop. > > Have to get something to boost & reduce to use it there. > > you have a rivera w/a line-out that is *not* line-level? > that's strange..... No, not the line out, the efx loop. I don't know if it has a line out, but it wouldn't be all that useful to me for what I'm doing, since I want to use the power section and speaker from it. The level appears to be somewhere close to -10 line level (like consumer electronics) when the send is maxed. Maybe there's an internal level switch that I don't know about? It's an M60, if that matters. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 15:26:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18717; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:24:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:24:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Server-Uuid: 4520D425-5A30-451F-8662-E5DDF307F3B1 Message-ID: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34CAE9@ENTCOEXCH13> From: "Lanpheer, James A" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: newbie Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:22:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 11575521820267-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mike- I use a Yamaha WX7 WC. To do what you are asking, i use a Echoplex Digital Pro. If you search the archives, you will find tons of information about it there. I also use the Line6 delay stompbox which has some sampling for shorter phrases. There are a variety of looping tools that can do what you are asking about. You don't need a MIDI sampler to do what you require. As a start, i'd recommend that you look at the Line6, EDP, Electrix Repeater (this product is discontinued, but they are still around) and the Boomerang. I control my EDP with a Yamaha MFC10 footswitch. There are other MIDI footpedals that can do the job as well. Bottom line, decide exactly what you want to do with your setup, look into the devices above and find what does what you seek in the most cost-effective way. By searching the archives, you can learn tons about people's experiences with the various choices i threw out above (which was not a complete list, btw...just a teaser). cheers, jim. -----Original Message----- From: mcolon@VisionAIR.com [mailto:mcolon@VisionAIR.com] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:17 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: newbie What's up everyone, my name is mike, and i just joined this list. I am new to the world of digital sampling and need some advice. I own a Yamaha WX5 Midi Wind Controller. I plan on using this for gigging, and would like to sample phrases, and have immediate playback. So i am going to need something that is foot pedal oriented, cause i am going to be improvising and doing all this live. I'm not going to be working on these phrases at home, recording them, and then playing to tracks. I want something that i can immediately hit a footswitch start recording, and then hit stop, and it loop it. I would like something that does more than just one loop also. I'm not sure if a midi sampler is the best way to go or not. Should i just use a phrase sampler that records analog, like a guitar sampler. Or is midi the best way to go, since my instrument is midi. And is there a footswitch type pedal for midi that fits what i need? All help would be greatly appreciated. thanks very much sharin in grooves Mike http://db.etree.org/jam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 15:59:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21058; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:57:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:57:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 2.117 (F2.6; T0.14; A1.46; B2.12; Q2.03) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:56:29 +0000 From: "ernesto schnack" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com X-Epoch: 1028231789 X-Sasl-enc: IvocKfFqKejSaMIPioy4Ow Subject: RE: trim cut issues Message-Id: <20020801195629.1B13D6DA1A@www.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But this is what trim cut is supposed to take care of (press and hold the trim button and "trim cut?" appears on the display). Besides, resampling doesn't get rid of the silence that the repeater puts before and after the loop, which is what I want to get rid of. Ernesto On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:59:14 +0200, "Rainer Straschill" said: > The trimming does only modify the loop start/end points, not the data > itself. To apply your trim to the data, use resample. > > rs > > -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm - You've just been FastMailed! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 17:29:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28872; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:27:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:27:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c2396f$6ac00f40$0ef8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <3D49673D.1C5D5BC9@bagend.com> Subject: Re: Attention MIDI gurus: Repeater & FCB1010 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:23:34 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <2OBPCB.A.YCH.DeaS9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "I'm not really lazy, but would rather practice playing than programming" that goes without saying, but what happens when you incorporate new effects or want to change anything? learning how to program your own machines is a great way to learn about their idiosyncracies and how they function, overall. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 18:49:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01382; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:46:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:46:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D49B994.CEEEEFCB@bagend.com> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 17:43:32 -0500 From: Henry Heine X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Attention MIDI gurus: Repeater & FCB1010 References: <3D49673D.1C5D5BC9@bagend.com> <002601c2396f$6ac00f40$0ef8c440@g0wn7> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, of course. In fact I edit and program lots of stuff quite often. I'm hoping for a head start in the right direction is all. I suppose it is time for me to jump into the midi jungle by now. That might balance out with the practice I'm putting in on my washtub bass. Drum 'n' washtub bass...look out! -henry Jimmy Fowler wrote: > > "I'm not really lazy, but would rather practice playing than programming" > > that goes without saying, but what happens when you incorporate new effects > or want to change anything? learning how to program your own machines is a > great way to learn about their idiosyncracies and how they function, > overall. > > -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 19:08:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03754; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:07:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:07:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020801230644.6423.qmail@web10105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:06:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Mains Filters... do they work? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <6xrejB.A.S6.F8bS9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Stuart Wyatt wrote: > > On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 06:47 AM, Bret wrote: > > > What AC voltage does Paris use (120,240,100)? 50hz or 60hz? > > Is it 3 wire, one is ground, one hot, one neutral? > > Its 220/240 (I can never remember which), and I think 60Hz. Although > main plugs (i.e. in the kitchen) are wired up for three pin plugs, it > is > not the law to enforce this for every appliance like it is in the uk. > > Most sockets/appliances are connected with the simple two-pin plug, > not > earthed. The horrible thing about my rented apartment is that there > is > no earth on any of the sockets in the living space..... BTW: It is > definitely not my fridge making the noise. One time I disconnected > the > unit from the mains, and the noise was still there. > > Then there are my neighbours with their powertools, pre-war fridges, > electric chairs, photon ray guns etc. all producing random noises > here. > > I think I'm going mad. :) I'm sure it is enough to drive anyone mad who is trying to record cleanly. No earth (ground) definately does not help the situation. Powertools, hairdryers can create lots of whining emi on the mains. All I can suggest is to go to a battery power system and get of the noise grid ;-) You can create your own electrical earth by installing a large copper ground rod in the earth whith a wire to your electronics, not very convenient. You can also try your cold water pipe as an earth (hook a wire to it), but I am not sure how good this is in an apartment building. bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 19:27:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04907; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:25:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:25:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SGold8670@aol.com Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 19:26:41 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Eventide H3500 question Message-ID: <37905D9C.4D9FE08D.02640EB6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Guys, Can you please take me off of your buddy list. I have been getting flooded with e-mails. Thanks alot. Sgold8670@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 19:44:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06555; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:42:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:42:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003c01c239b5$78413b80$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <20020730052223.B84256D99A@www.fastmail.fm> Subject: Dummy Loads, Line Outs, and thangs like that Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:45:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I sent this message directly to dt, because I know he has experience with Rivera's and their Line Outs. I'm also gonna ask the list, cause there's always so much knowledge here!! I have a Knucklehead 100 watt. I also have a GR-1, 2 EDPs, and some other stuff, that encourages me to run a stereo setup. My current preference is to run stereo into 2 JC-120s. But... I *love* the tone and flexibility of my Rivera, and am exploring ways to get it into my setup. My goal is to treat the Knucklehead as the tone shaper of my guitar signal, while keeping my synth guitar and stereo capability. I'm toying with the idea of doing this: Guitar -> GR-1 GR-1 Guitar Out -> Knucklehead (preamp) -> KH Effects Loop with a few goodies -> KH Effects return -> KH power amp -> KH Line Out -> GR-1 Guitar Return GR-1 Stereo Outs -> the rest of my stereo setup, including an EDP on each side, ending into two JC-120s This will require me to have a dummy load on the Rivera. 1st question - any experience with the common dummy load devices? Any idea which will give me a true dummy load, while maintaining the beautiful tone of the Rivera? 2nd question - do you have success with taking the Line Out from a Rivera, running it through rack gear, and going out to other guitar amp(s)? Is my tone gonna sound like doo-doo? I can't really test this until I have a dummy load. Thanks in advance for any help you can provide! Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 19:46:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06915; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:44:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:44:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: so cal gig spam X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:42:54 -0500 Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CE9A@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: so cal gig spam Thread-Index: AcI5tWyTJm5FUqVsEdaKRQDQt1TfNg== From: "Liebig, Steuart A." 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 19:48:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07390; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:46:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:46:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 19:53:10 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Dummy Loads, Line Outs, and thangs like that To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000a01c239b6$98560300$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020730052223.B84256D99A@www.fastmail.fm> <003c01c239b5$78413b80$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Cox" > Any idea which will give me > a true dummy load, while maintaining the beautiful tone of the Rivera? Part of your tone is the cabinet and speaker. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 20:13:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09961; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:06:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:06:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.46.137.8] From: "Greg S" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Roland FC-200 Midi capture request -- no loop content Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:06:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1050 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1050 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2002 00:06:09.0047 (UTC) FILETIME=[67595A70:01C239B8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you have: 1) an FC-200 2) a way to capture the midi strings/data from the FC-200 and 3) the willingness to do this and email me the output then please keep reading. Otherwise, pardon the intrusion. The FC-200 can be used in "SE" (System Exclusive) mode to control the Boss GX700 and venerable GP100 in "manual mode". That is in a single given patch each foot pedal will turn an individual effect on or off (e.g. distortion, chorus, delay, etc.). Since I can't find the actual documentation for SysEx messages that are transmitted, I was hoping someone on this list might be able to capture them and email them to me. If you'd be willing to help me, please email me @ g716_loop@hotmail.com. Thanks! Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 20:45:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11632; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:43:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:43:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004c01c239bd$e67318a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <20020730052223.B84256D99A@www.fastmail.fm> <003c01c239b5$78413b80$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> <000a01c239b6$98560300$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Re: Dummy Loads, Line Outs, and thangs like that Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:45:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <7VgChC.A.L1C.1VdS9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, I know. However, if you'll notice the proposed signal path I mentioned, it ends with two JC-120s, guitar amps with 12" speakers. Just so everyone is clear - I do understand that a dummy loaded amp directly into a PA or mixing board would eliminate the cab/speaker influence on my guitar tone. Sorry if I didn't make it clear... I do plan on bringing the dummy loaded Rivera out through guitar speakers. I'm really thinking of the Rivera as a (very large and expensive!) tube driven distortion (or not) box. But I'd like to hear comments on dummy load devices, and how any of you might have used them in this kind of a setup. Thanks for any further ideas! Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Beardsley" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:53 PM Subject: Re: Dummy Loads, Line Outs, and thangs like that > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Cox" > > > Any idea which will give me > > a true dummy load, while maintaining the beautiful tone of the Rivera? > > Part of your tone is the cabinet and speaker. > > > * David Beardsley > * http://biink.com > * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 20:58:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12542; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:57:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:57:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 21:00:51 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Dummy Loads, Line Outs, and thangs like that To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003401c239c0$0bea3e40$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020730052223.B84256D99A@www.fastmail.fm> <003c01c239b5$78413b80$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> <000a01c239b6$98560300$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> <004c01c239bd$e67318a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Cox" > Yes, I know. However, if you'll notice the proposed signal path I > mentioned, it ends with two JC-120s, guitar amps with 12" speakers. Plug the Rivera into one of those amps, does it sound right? * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 21:10:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14673; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:08:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:08:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008b01c239c1$83c396e0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <20020730052223.B84256D99A@www.fastmail.fm> <003c01c239b5$78413b80$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> <000a01c239b6$98560300$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> <004c01c239bd$e67318a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> <003401c239c0$0bea3e40$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Re: Dummy Loads, Line Outs, and thangs like that Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:11:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's hard to tell when I don't have a dummy load. The Rivera has to have a load connected to it, and in this case, that's my Rivera cab. I can then take a line out from the Rivera into one of the JC-120s, but the Rivera is loud enough to impair my ability to hear the sound coming solely through the JC-120. However, in the past I have run various tube footpedals (a Tube Works Blue Tube, a Hughes & Kettner Tubeman) through the JC-120, and it sounded *awesome*. Yes, I'm dead serious. Again, I'm contemplating a setup that would use the Rivera Knucklehead in a role similar to one of those tube footpedals. Why do you think it wouldn't sound good through the JC-120? Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Beardsley" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 8:00 PM Subject: Re: Dummy Loads, Line Outs, and thangs like that > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Cox" > > > Yes, I know. However, if you'll notice the proposed signal path I > > mentioned, it ends with two JC-120s, guitar amps with 12" speakers. > > Plug the Rivera into one of those amps, does it sound right? > > > * David Beardsley > * http://biink.com > * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 21:14:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15228; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:12:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:12:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D49DC53.1FE60F6A@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 18:11:49 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Attention MIDI gurus: Repeater & FCB1010 References: <3D49673D.1C5D5BC9@bagend.com> <002601c2396f$6ac00f40$0ef8c440@g0wn7> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6bz7J.A.0tD.lxdS9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No one wants to program midi pedals. Suck it up, man. Mark Sottilaro Jimmy Fowler wrote: > "I'm not really lazy, but would rather practice playing than programming" > > that goes without saying, but what happens when you incorporate new effects > or want to change anything? learning how to program your own machines is a > great way to learn about their idiosyncracies and how they function, > overall. > > -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 21:22:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15771; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:20:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:20:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D49DE43.85A7BED6@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 18:20:05 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: buddy list References: <37905D9C.4D9FE08D.02640EB6@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This flood of emails probably doesn't have anything to do with being on a buddy list. It's due to a virus that looks at email address in your inbox and starts sending out junk. I've asked people on the list to deal with it, but people won't. I know it's not me because it's a PC virus and I'm Mac based. Mark Sottilaro SGold8670@aol.com wrote: > Hey Guys, > > Can you please take me off of your buddy list. I have been getting flooded with e-mails. Thanks alot. > > Sgold8670@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 21:28:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16526; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:26:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:26:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D49DFBF.23F662C@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 18:26:24 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dummy Loads, Line Outs, and thangs like that References: <20020730052223.B84256D99A@www.fastmail.fm> <003c01c239b5$78413b80$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> <000a01c239b6$98560300$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> <004c01c239bd$e67318a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The problem with what you're proposing is that part of what makes a tube amp "warm" is the interaction with the load (speaker) and the tube amplifier stage. The thing about a speaker is it's impedance rating is not fixed. It actually changes based on the frequency it's trying to reproduce and other factors. Anyway, the interplay between how the speaker effects the amp is what it's all about. OK, well what some of it's about. Transistors do not behave in this way. Mark Sottilaro Doug Cox wrote: > Yes, I know. However, if you'll notice the proposed signal path I > mentioned, it ends with two JC-120s, guitar amps with 12" speakers. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 21:39:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17276; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:36:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:36:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801183608.00b6a9a8@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 18:37:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: Attention MIDI gurus: Repeater & FCB1010 In-Reply-To: <3D49B994.CEEEEFCB@bagend.com> References: <3D49673D.1C5D5BC9@bagend.com> <002601c2396f$6ac00f40$0ef8c440@g0wn7> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Henry, I put off learning to program MIDI for a few months before finally jumping in and realizing that there's not much to it. Take the plunge, the water's nice. -Hans At 15:43 01/08/2002, you wrote: >Yes, of course. In fact I edit and program lots of stuff quite often. I'm >hoping for a head start in the right direction is all. I suppose it is >time for me to jump into >the midi jungle by now. That might balance out with the practice I'm >putting in on my washtub bass. > >Drum 'n' washtub bass...look out! > >-henry > >Jimmy Fowler wrote: > > > > "I'm not really lazy, but would rather practice playing than programming" > > > > that goes without saying, but what happens when you incorporate new effects > > or want to change anything? learning how to program your own machines is a > > great way to learn about their idiosyncracies and how they function, > > overall. > > > > -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 22:03:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19752; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:01:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:01:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 22:02:54 -0400 Subject: Re: MIDI parameter change question From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200208012308.TAA04022@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3111084174_79291_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3111084174_79291_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Kim -- Thanks for all your answers to my problem -- I'm about to go on vacation for a while, don't think I can think about this any more right now, but may pick your brain a bit more when I get back -- Ciao for now, Steve --MS_Mac_OE_3111084174_79291_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: MIDI parameter change question Kim --
Thanks for all your answers to my problem -- I'm about to go on vacation fo= r a while, don't think I can think about this any more right now, but may pi= ck your brain a bit more when I get back --
Ciao for now, Steve --MS_Mac_OE_3111084174_79291_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 22:41:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22720; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:40:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:40:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020801193659.0229bca0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 19:42:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Dummy Loads, Line Outs, and thangs like that In-Reply-To: <3D49DFBF.23F662C@zerocrossing.net> References: <20020730052223.B84256D99A@www.fastmail.fm> <003c01c239b5$78413b80$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> <000a01c239b6$98560300$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> <004c01c239bd$e67318a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com actually the better quality loads use a reactive impedance to emulate the reactive properties of speakers. The crappy ones use a purely resistive load, which would not sound as good for the reasons you mentioned. I was looking into this a few years ago to get a line out of my simulclass 2:90, as well as be able to run the tubes into distortion without shattering the walls of my building. I never got around to actually getting one, but at the time I was favoring the THD hotplates. They have a variety of loads for different impedance power amp outs. There may be other options now, I don't know. kim At 06:26 PM 8/1/2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >The problem with what you're proposing is that part of what makes a tube amp >"warm" is the interaction with the load (speaker) and the tube amplifier >stage. The thing about a speaker is it's impedance rating is not fixed. It >actually changes based on the frequency it's trying to reproduce and other >factors. Anyway, the interplay between how the speaker effects the amp is >what >it's all about. OK, well what some of it's about. Transistors do not behave >in this way. > >Mark Sottilaro > >Doug Cox wrote: > > > Yes, I know. However, if you'll notice the proposed signal path I > > mentioned, it ends with two JC-120s, guitar amps with 12" speakers. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 22:42:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23327; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:42:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:42:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009f01c239ce$93f74fe0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <20020730052223.B84256D99A@www.fastmail.fm> <003c01c239b5$78413b80$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> <000a01c239b6$98560300$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> <004c01c239bd$e67318a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> <3D49DFBF.23F662C@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Dummy Loads, Line Outs, and thangs like that Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:44:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, Thanks for the reply! My understanding is that there are some dummy load boxes that reproduce the variable impedence (based on frequency) that a speaker cab usually exhibits. This is exactly what I'm hoping to get some advice/experience on - which load boxes have people used and gotten satisfactory results? I'm not depending on the JC-120 or it's speakers to provide this piece of the equation. The JC-120s will simply amplify the final guitar signal (and guitar synth signal) after they have come out of the dummy-loaded Rivera (both preamp and power amp stages), gone through the EDP's, a Vortex, and some modulation effects (chorus, etc). Again, my understanding is that a "good" load box can give me a reasonably good tone out of the Rivera, at line levels, which I can then pipe through my rack. I'm not referring to an attenuator with a speaker sim here. See http://www.soundsmith.com/fake.htm and the graph at the bottom of the page, which shows how some load boxes can reproduce the behavior you are talking about. I used to have a PowerBrake, but didn't like the tone it caused at the dummy load setting. The graph seems to suggest why. It also suggests that the THD Hotplate and the PowerSoak cause ugly sounds for the same reason - no variable impendance. The "Silent Speaker" shown in the graph seems like it would be wondermous... but I can't find current info on one anywhere. I remain hopeful that someone on the list can give me some useful advice! Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 8:26 PM Subject: Re: Dummy Loads, Line Outs, and thangs like that > The problem with what you're proposing is that part of what makes a tube amp > "warm" is the interaction with the load (speaker) and the tube amplifier > stage. The thing about a speaker is it's impedance rating is not fixed. It > actually changes based on the frequency it's trying to reproduce and other > factors. Anyway, the interplay between how the speaker effects the amp is what > it's all about. OK, well what some of it's about. Transistors do not behave > in this way. > > Mark Sottilaro > > Doug Cox wrote: > > > Yes, I know. However, if you'll notice the proposed signal path I > > mentioned, it ends with two JC-120s, guitar amps with 12" speakers. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 22:50:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23958; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:49:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:49:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.205.197.67] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dummy Loads, Line Outs, and thangs like that Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 02:48:58 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2002 02:48:58.0871 (UTC) FILETIME=[269E3070:01C239CF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, Have you checked out the THD Hot Plate? When it first came out, Guitar Player did a review where they used an old Plexi Marshall into the Hot Plate, then into the front of a Fender Twin; according to the reviewer the sound was "awsome". The Hot Plate allows you to take an amp all the way down to instrument level... Is that what you had in mind as far as an expensive "stomp box"? :^) Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 23:14:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26552; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:13:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:13:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:13:13 -0700 Subject: Re: Dummy Loads, Line Outs, and thangs like that Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <009f01c239ce$93f74fe0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well shut my mouth! I didn't know such devices were made. I guess Kim's had some luck with them. I imagine these devices must be pretty complex to be able to model how a speaker behaves, as I understand it can be pretty complex. Is there anything science can't do? That being said, I have not had a tube power amp stage (preamp only) in quite some years for size/weight/volume issues. I do miss having a nice tube amp sometimes, I must say. Mark On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 07:44 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > Mark, > > Thanks for the reply! > > My understanding is that there are some dummy load boxes that reproduce > the > variable impedence (based on frequency) that a speaker cab usually > exhibits. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 1 23:16:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26933; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:16:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:16:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:16:17 -0700 Subject: Re: Dummy Loads, Line Outs, and thangs like that Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020801193659.0229bca0@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: <354EC66C-A5C6-11D6-93D6-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 07:42 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > I was looking into this a few years ago to get a line out of my > simulclass 2:90, as well as be able to run the tubes into distortion > without shattering the walls of my building. Where can we hear the guitar stylings of Kim Flint? I didn't even know you were a musician. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 2 00:15:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31269; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 00:14:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 00:14:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004f01c239db$c1646b40$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Stephen Philips with Ben Summers Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 00:19:12 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday August 6th - Stephen Philips with Ben Summers Traveling up from Maryland for his second visit to the Ping, Stephen Philips (aka Deep Chill Network and head of the ambient/experimental label Dark Duck Records) brings his frequent co-conspirator Ben Summers along for a night of ambient, chill, experimental and spacemusic with a primary focus on groove & chill. The 1st set will be ambient & chill occasionally mixed with beats & grooves. The 2nd set (with special guests Scott M2 & Jamie Todd from dreamSTATE) will be deep chill/ambient/experimental/whatever... In Stephen's words "Those looking for the more mainstream ambient performance will/should attend the first set. Those looking for something freaking cool, will attend the second." Stephen's new "Deep Chill Network - Live at The Ambient Ping - 2000" CD will be available at the show a full month before it's official release. Anyone buying the CD will also receive a limited-edition free bonus CD of live material also from that show. Some other works from Stephen's huge catalog will also be available. We'll be spinning his latest, "Reflections In Water" at 9:00. http://www.darkduck.net/stephil.htm Between Sets CD - "Apollo" by Brian Eno (EG / Caroline Records) "Atmospheres and soundtracks played by Brian Eno, Daniel Lanois and Roger Eno." Exquisite ambience from 1983 created to accompany a film of the Apollo space missions. http://music.hyperreal.org/artists/brian_eno/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Check out the musical treats at the PiNG THiNGS ambient/experimental CD boutique. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday August 13th - The Ambient Ping's 3rd Anniversary featuring SYLKEN - http://www.mp3.com/Random_Act . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . PiNG THiNGS - The Tuesday night ambient/chillout/experimental music CD boutique at C'est What is now carrying the entire PIEHEAD Records catalogue of electronic treats. They're releasing a new limited-edition CD each month in 2002 featuring new works from ARC, I8U, NAW and fine artists with more than 3 letters in their name, like David Kristian and hellothisisalex. Get 'em while they're hot and ask rik for some ice cream on top. http://www.pieheadrecords.com/releases/index.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 2 01:14:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03890; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 01:14:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 01:14:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 22:13:28 -0700 Subject: OT: Gear spam From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmm. I seem to be getting lots of nibbles just by mentioning various pieces of gear that I'd be willing to part with. The folowing items are also underutilized, but I'm not going to try to figure out how to coyly mention them in passing. I've generally been saying Prepal - 10% discount for fellow loopers plus shipping. That yields: Roland VS-880 hard disk recorder w/VS8F-1 effects board: $559 * 0.90 = $503 + shipping (probably a little low since the $559 is for a VS880 with no mention of the effects board but I'm not going to quibble) Line6 FM4 filter modeler: $196 x 0.9 = $176 + shipping -- I would also be willing to trade for an MM4 modulation modeler that hadn't been too abused. (Mine has essentially lived at home.) I'm working on convincing myself that I will probably never give my Stick (1988 polycarbonate) the time it deserves. No prices available from Prepal so I don't have a number. $1000 + shipping would probably persuade me quickly. Lower offers would involve more thought. Mark P.S. 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------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C239C8.DB6D6FE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 2 03:04:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA12682; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 03:04:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 03:04:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005801c239bf$ff905120$06f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020730103658.02202320@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020731005858.0232ff18@loopers-delight.com> Subject: synchronizing edps (stereo pair) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 02:00:29 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have a pair of edps now, one oberheim and one gibson, both with 3.5 and am trying to get them to work in conjunction. so far, i have midi in to master, midi out of master into midi in of slave (my all access is in the shop) and trs connecting brother syncs. i know the footpedal won't control them both using brothersync but shouldn't they be working together from the front panel? they aren't as of now and the manual is a little skimpy on setup regarding this. i just tried tonight, so i'm sure i'll figure it out via good old fashioned trial and error, but any insight would be helpful. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 2 03:29:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA13792; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 03:26:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 03:26:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007c01c239c3$35495700$06f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020730103658.02202320@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020731005858.0232ff18@loopers-delight.com> Subject: synchronizing edps (stereo pair) pt. II Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 02:23:27 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com umm...nevermind...i just found this: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ4.html and i have a funny feeling it might just answer all my questions. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 2 03:39:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA14433; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 03:39:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 03:39:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 00:38:12 -0800 Subject: Re: Dummy Loads, Line Outs, and thangs like that From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020801193659.0229bca0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com here is a 2nd for thd hotplates-i'm a stickler for tube tone detail(hard to tell,i know) and when i gets vintagee and pull out my fender '65 blackface dual showman, take the spkr load outa that to thd and go into the power side of redknob fender twin or showman-or peavey deltablues-or yes a jc120 i get the best possible leofender tube tone source bein powered by some heavee duty modern day amps. i dont hear no stinking degredation-if i did it wouldnt fly. the thds have a light bulb inside that reacts to the load-the more its takin the brighter it gets-cool to watch and play.they got spkr outs and line out.i've had powerbrakes,powersoaks... and as kim says you need sompin that *reacts*(duh!). s > actually the better quality loads use a reactive impedance to emulate the > reactive properties of speakers. The crappy ones use a purely resistive > load, which would not sound as good for the reasons you mentioned. > > I was looking into this a few years ago to get a line out of my simulclass > 2:90, as well as be able to run the tubes into distortion without > shattering the walls of my building. I never got around to actually getting > one, but at the time I was favoring the THD hotplates. They have a variety > of loads for different impedance power amp outs. There may be other options > now, I don't know. > > kim > > > At 06:26 PM 8/1/2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> The problem with what you're proposing is that part of what makes a tube amp >> "warm" is the interaction with the load (speaker) and the tube amplifier >> stage. The thing about a speaker is it's impedance rating is not fixed. It >> actually changes based on the frequency it's trying to reproduce and other >> factors. Anyway, the interplay between how the speaker effects the amp is >> what >> it's all about. OK, well what some of it's about. Transistors do not behave >> in this way. >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> >> Doug Cox wrote: >> >>> Yes, I know. However, if you'll notice the proposed signal path I >>> mentioned, it ends with two JC-120s, guitar amps with 12" speakers. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 2 04:24:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA17922; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 04:23:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 04:23:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c239cb$32855b60$02f8c440@g0wn7> From: "JAMES R FOWLER, III" To: Subject: input/output within old oberheim vs. new Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 03:20:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com does anybody know the approximate time serial number-wise at which the input/output headroom changes were made? my new old oberheim requires its input to be turned down relative to my new new gibson, but i want to make sure that it's not just a mechanical difference in the pot and that the resistors in the oberheim do, in fact, need to be replaced. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 2 06:47:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA27474; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 06:46:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 06:46:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Attention MIDI gurus: Repeater & FCB1010 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:45:29 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3D49673D.1C5D5BC9@bagend.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fran: Henry Heine [mailto:henry@bagend.com] > To those of you who are using the FCB1010 to control the Repeater > : Is it possible to share your configuration of the pedal, maybe > via midi sys ex dump? > > Can sys ex dumps be attached to an email? Sure. But not by the list I'm afraid, such attachment has to be sent privately. > I am a midi newbie, and it looks as if programming the pedal is > not trivial. You're so right. However IMHO programming the pedal is part of the "instrument" I play. > I'm not really lazy, but would rather practice playing than > programming. He, he... Well, I've been practicing some programming around here ;-) If you mail me privately I could send you my sys ex file, so you can try it (got it backed up here on the computer). But my FCB1010 is not set up for only the Repeater. I also use one bank to control my EDP and another bank for changing the EDP programs by program change. Anyway, here's my FCB specs (so you can see if it does at all apply to your situation): BANK 00: (Repeater) Pad 01: Replace/Overdub Pad 02: Record. Pedal 1=Overdub Feedback Level Pad 03: Multiply Pad 04: Undo Pad 05: Slip track 4 Pad 06: Record select track 1, pitch -12. Pedal 1=level tr 1 Pad 07: Record select track 2, pitch -12. Pedal 1=level tr 2 Pad 08: Record select track 3. Pedal 1=level tr 3 Pad 09: Record select track 4. Pedal 1=level tr 4 Pad 10: Record select track 3/4 as a stereo track BANK 01: (Repeater) Pad 01: Reverse Pad 02: Record. Pedal 1=Overdub Feedback Level Pad 03: Multiply Pad 04: Undo Pad 05: Play Pad 06: Loop 1 Pad 07: Loop 2 Pad 08: Loop 3 Pad 09: Loop 4 Pad 10: Loop 5 BANK 02: (Repeater) Not programmed yet, but I'm planning to use it just as bank 01 but with the access to Repeater Loop 6-10. That is, IF I ever find a need for using that many loops for a performance. BANK 03: (EDP) I'm also using the Pad 01: Record Pad 02: Overdub Pad 03: Multiply Pad 04: Undo Pad 05: Next Pad 06: Reverse Pad 07: Half Speed Pad 08: - Pad 09: - Pad 10: - BANK 04: (EDP) Pad 01: Program 01. 8th/cycle set to 1. Toggle. Pad 02: Program 02. 8th/cycle set to 2. Toggle. Pad 03: Program 03. 8th/cycle set to 3. Toggle. Pad 04: Program 04. 8th/cycle set to 4. Toggle. Pad 05: Program 05. 8th/cycle set to 5. Toggle. Pad 06: Program 06. 8th/cycle set to 6. Toggle. Pad 07: Program 07. 8th/cycle set to 7. Toggle. Pad 08: Program 08. 8th/cycle set to 8. Toggle. Pad 09: Program 09. 8th/cycle set to 4. Sustain. Pad 10: Program 10. 8th/cycle set to 8. Sustain. BANK 09: (set-up patches) (don't remember exactly which pads) Pad 01: Rptr Delete all loops. Pad 02: Rptr panning tr 1 and 3 left, tr 2 and 4 right. Pad 03: Rptr Dry Mute. Pad 04: Rptr tr 3 and 4 to effect loop. Pad 06: EDP - Long Undo Pad 07: EDP - Reset Pad 08: EDP - General Reset Expression pedal 2 used for EDP feedback through all patches. Repeater listening to midi channel 8. EDP listening to midi channel 2. I'm using an external mixer, hence the Repeater set-up as a "four mono out" unit with the direct signal muted. Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com Phone +46 (0)8 341181 Mobile +46 (0)70 4416713 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 2 06:48:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA27712; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 06:47:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 06:47:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: newbie Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:47:05 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6D2F98FE3BF6D511954B00D0B7AF6B560109D379@exchange.visioncomm.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mike, Sounds to me as you would fit brilliantly with the EDP. Check it out at www.loopers-delight.com (-->some link). I'm using it live with sax and guitar and recommend it for looping audio on the fly. I have been experimenting with midi guitar and sequencer based loopers and arpeggiators like the Oberheim Cyclone, but to me it makes much more sense to loop audio than midi. With plain audio you can better rely on your musical instincts as an improvising musician. At least that goes for me ;-) And welcome to this list! Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com Phone +46 (0)8 341181 Mobile +46 (0)70 4416713 -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: mcolon@VisionAIR.com [mailto:mcolon@VisionAIR.com] Skickat: den 1 augusti 2002 20:17 Till: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Ämne: newbie What's up everyone, my name is mike, and i just joined this list. I am new to the world of digital sampling and need some advice. I own a Yamaha WX5 Midi Wind Controller. I plan on using this for gigging, and would like to sample phrases, and have immediate playback. So i am going to need something that is foot pedal oriented, cause i am going to be improvising and doing all this live. I'm not going to be working on these phrases at home, recording them, and then playing to tracks. I want something that i can immediately hit a footswitch start recording, and then hit stop, and it loop it. I would like something that does more than just one loop also. I'm not sure if a midi sampler is the best way to go or not. Should i just use a phrase sampler that records analog, like a guitar sampler. Or is midi the best way to go, since my instrument is midi. And is there a footswitch type pedal for midi that fits what i need? All help would be greatly appreciated. thanks very much sharin in grooves Mike http://db.etree.org/jam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 2 08:43:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03147; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:42:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:42:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Subject: Re: Dummy Loads, Line Outs, and thangs like that To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:42:12 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 08/02/2002 08:42:13 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> Randall Amplifiers sells a speaker in a box, if that's what you're referring to...they call it an Isolation Chamber: http://www.randallamplifiers.com/reviews/isoreview.asp or perhaps you mean: http://www.soundsmith.com/atten.htm if you try out either of these, give us a report! David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 2 10:57:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12507; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:56:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:56:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020802145603.11516.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 07:56:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Pedro Felix Subject: Re: Dummy Loads, Line Outs, and thangs like that To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020801193659.0229bca0@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com not sure if anyone mentioned the old Rocktron Juice Extractor, six line outs, three sweepable bands plus several speaker curve configurations. used they can be found for ~$150. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 --- Kim Flint wrote: > actually the better quality loads use a reactive > impedance to emulate the > reactive properties of speakers. The crappy ones use > a purely resistive > load, which would not sound as good for the reasons > you mentioned. > > I was looking into this a few years ago to get a > line out of my simulclass > 2:90, as well as be able to run the tubes into > distortion without > shattering the walls of my building. I never got > around to actually getting > one, but at the time I was favoring the THD > hotplates. They have a variety > of loads for different impedance power amp outs. > There may be other options > now, I don't know. > > kim > > > At 06:26 PM 8/1/2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >The problem with what you're proposing is that part > of what makes a tube amp > >"warm" is the interaction with the load (speaker) > and the tube amplifier > >stage. The thing about a speaker is it's impedance > rating is not fixed. It > >actually changes based on the frequency it's trying > to reproduce and other > >factors. Anyway, the interplay between how the > speaker effects the amp is > >what > >it's all about. OK, well what some of it's about. > Transistors do not behave > >in this way. > > > >Mark Sottilaro > > > >Doug Cox wrote: > > > > > Yes, I know. However, if you'll notice the > proposed signal path I > > > mentioned, it ends with two JC-120s, guitar amps > with 12" speakers. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 2 11:19:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14867; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:18:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:18:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: mcolon@VisionAIR.com Message-ID: <6D2F98FE3BF6D511954B00D0B7AF6B560109D688@exchange.visioncomm.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: newbie Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:20:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C23A38.284A4210" Resent-Message-ID: <3aA0kD.A.3nD.uKqS9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C23A38.284A4210 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" James, thanks for the reply and suggestion. I was wondering about the echoplex digital pro. I noticed it has the option of multiplying, and allowing you to make a longer phrase looped over the short original loop. Do you know if the electrix repeater allows this? Also the EDP allows for undoing one overdub at a time, does a repeater allow that also. I've been searching the manual for this, but can't find any answers. I am interested in a repeater more, because of it's saving capabilities. the repeater seems to be basically a 4-track recorder, looper in one. Also, one mixing 4 tracks down to one to free up other tracks on the repeater, do you lose sound quality from if these tracks would have been left on individual tracks? Also, the edp allows you to switch loops on the fly seamlessly. Do you know if the repeater allows loops to be switched automatically without skipping a beat. This would be useful in switching sections automatically in live performance, and i'm wondering if when switching loops, does the loop time stay the same? thanks to eveyrone who answers these questions for me later sharing in grooves mike http://db.etree.org/jam www.tapercities.com/Phishpond/mcolon -----Original Message----- From: Lanpheer, James A [mailto:Lanpheer.James.A@broadband.att.com] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 3:23 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: newbie Mike- I use a Yamaha WX7 WC. To do what you are asking, i use a Echoplex Digital Pro. If you search the archives, you will find tons of information about it there. I also use the Line6 delay stompbox which has some sampling for shorter phrases. There are a variety of looping tools that can do what you are asking about. You don't need a MIDI sampler to do what you require. As a start, i'd recommend that you look at the Line6, EDP, Electrix Repeater (this product is discontinued, but they are still around) and the Boomerang. I control my EDP with a Yamaha MFC10 footswitch. There are other MIDI footpedals that can do the job as well. Bottom line, decide exactly what you want to do with your setup, look into the devices above and find what does what you seek in the most cost-effective way. By searching the archives, you can learn tons about people's experiences with the various choices i threw out above (which was not a complete list, btw...just a teaser). cheers, jim. -----Original Message----- From: mcolon@VisionAIR.com [mailto:mcolon@VisionAIR.com] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:17 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: newbie What's up everyone, my name is mike, and i just joined this list. I am new to the world of digital sampling and need some advice. I own a Yamaha WX5 Midi Wind Controller. I plan on using this for gigging, and would like to sample phrases, and have immediate playback. So i am going to need something that is foot pedal oriented, cause i am going to be improvising and doing all this live. I'm not going to be working on these phrases at home, recording them, and then playing to tracks. I want something that i can immediately hit a footswitch start recording, and then hit stop, and it loop it. I would like something that does more than just one loop also. I'm not sure if a midi sampler is the best way to go or not. Should i just use a phrase sampler that records analog, like a guitar sampler. Or is midi the best way to go, since my instrument is midi. And is there a footswitch type pedal for midi that fits what i need? All help would be greatly appreciated. thanks very much sharin in grooves Mike http://db.etree.org/jam ------_=_NextPart_001_01C23A38.284A4210 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: newbie

James,

thanks for the reply and suggestion.  I was = wondering about the echoplex digital pro.  I noticed it has the = option of multiplying, and allowing you to make a longer phrase looped = over the short original loop.  Do you know if the electrix = repeater allows this?  Also the EDP allows for undoing one overdub = at a time, does a repeater allow that also.  I've been searching = the manual for this, but can't find any answers.  I am interested = in a repeater more, because of it's saving capabilities.  the = repeater seems to be basically a 4-track recorder, looper in one.  = Also, one mixing 4 tracks down to one to free up other tracks on the = repeater, do you lose sound quality from if these tracks would have = been left on individual tracks?  Also, the edp allows you to = switch loops on the fly seamlessly.  Do you know if the repeater = allows loops to be switched automatically without skipping a = beat.  This would be useful in switching sections automatically in = live performance, and i'm wondering if when switching loops, does the = loop time stay the same?

thanks to eveyrone who answers these questions for = me

later

sharing in grooves
mike
http://db.etree.org/jam
www.tapercities.com/Phishpond/mcolon

-----Original Message-----
From: Lanpheer, James A [mailto:Lanpheer.James= .A@broadband.att.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 3:23 PM
To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'
Subject: RE: newbie


Mike-
 
I use a Yamaha WX7 WC.  To do what you are = asking, i use a Echoplex Digital
Pro.  If you search the archives, you will find = tons of information about it
there.  I also use the Line6 delay stompbox = which has some sampling for
shorter phrases.  There are a variety of = looping tools that can do what you
are asking about.  You don't need a MIDI = sampler to do what you require.  As
a start, i'd recommend that you look at the Line6, = EDP, Electrix Repeater
(this product is discontinued, but they are still = around) and the Boomerang.
I control my EDP with a Yamaha MFC10 = footswitch.  There are other MIDI
footpedals that can do the job as well.
 
Bottom line, decide exactly what you want to do with = your setup, look into
the devices above and find what does what you seek = in the most
cost-effective way.  By searching the archives, = you can learn tons about
people's experiences with the various choices i = threw out above (which was
not a complete list, btw...just a teaser).
 
cheers,
jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: mcolon@VisionAIR.com [mailto:mcolon@VisionAIR.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:17 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: newbie



What's up everyone,

my name is mike, and i just joined this list.  I = am new to the world of
digital sampling and need some advice.  I own a = Yamaha WX5 Midi Wind
Controller.  I plan on using this for gigging, = and would like to sample
phrases, and have immediate playback.  So i am = going to need something that
is foot pedal oriented, cause i am going to be = improvising and doing all
this live.  I'm not going to be working on = these phrases at home, recording
them, and then playing to tracks.  I want = something that i can immediately
hit a footswitch start recording, and then hit stop, = and it loop it.  I
would like something that does more than just one = loop also.  I'm not sure
if a midi sampler is the best way to go or = not.  Should i just use a phrase
sampler that records analog, like a guitar = sampler.  Or is midi the best way
to go, since my instrument is midi.  And is = there a footswitch type pedal
for midi that fits what i need? 

All help would be greatly appreciated.

thanks very much

sharin in grooves
Mike

http://db.etree.org/jam <http://db.etree.org/jam> 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C23A38.284A4210-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 2 11:47:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16564; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:46:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:46:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 11:51:02 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Dummy Loads, Line Outs, and thangs like that To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <021f01c23a3c$672dd1a0$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020730052223.B84256D99A@www.fastmail.fm> <003c01c239b5$78413b80$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> <000a01c239b6$98560300$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> <004c01c239bd$e67318a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> <003401c239c0$0bea3e40$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> <008b01c239c1$83c396e0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Cox" > Why do you think it wouldn't sound good through the JC-120? I'm not a big fan of the JC-120. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 2 12:29:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20025; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:28:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:28:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020802162808.87123.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:28:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Dummy Loads, Line Outs, and thangs like that To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3D49DFBF.23F662C@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > The problem with what you're proposing is that part of what makes a > tube amp > "warm" is the interaction with the load (speaker) and the tube > amplifier stage. Actually, I think it's the reaction between the speaker(s) and the output transformer, but same type idea. > The thing about a speaker is it's impedance rating is not > fixed. True, but there are speaker load simulator devices which present the tube amp with a reactive load. Units like the Marshall Power Brake do this. Some also offer a line out which should be far superior in tone to the line out your amp may have. I've heard very few amps that had a decent sounding line out (it's usually taken BEFORE the power stage, so it's all buzzy preamp distortion...). Some offer speaker simulation too, but I guess you wouldn't need that in the setup you described. The best sounding speaker simulator/load device I've personally heard was the old Marshall SE100. I don't think they make that one any more, but the Power Brake might also sound good. I've heard from several people that the Palmer is very good too (although more expensive). I heard one recording done direct through one and it was very nice. Like David suggested, try the Rivera's line out into the JC120 to see how you like the sound. If you like it, any old load device (even a big resistor) should do, and you're good to go. If not, try out a load device that has a line out on it and see if it suits you. Run a long speaker cable and put the Rivera's cab in another room so you can judge the tone without having to buy anything. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 2 12:30:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19546; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:22:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:22:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <126.14943cb7.2a7c0b6c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:21:00 EDT Subject: Re: Dummy Loads, Line Outs, and thangs like that To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com doug, >I know you have much experience with Rivera amps and racks of gear, well..... i use one rack w/4 single-space units in it..... i do use a rivera m100 head, quite often, which was modified by paul rivera sr. >so >I >thought you'd be a good resource for this question. we'll see! 8-) >I have a Knucklehead 100 watt. I also have a GR-1, gr-1 is a roland synth-gtr unit w/hex-pickup? >2 EDPs, and some other >stuff, that encourages me to run a stereo setup. right. >My current preference >is to run stereo into 2 JC-120s. But... I *love* the tone and flexibility >of my Rivera, and am exploring ways to get it into my setup. gotcha. >My goal is to >treat the Knucklehead as the tone shaper of my guitar signal, while keeping >my synth guitar and stereo capability. there is at least one alternate path --- if yer willing to haul everything around: dual mono or 3-point stereo: gtr> knucklehead> dedicated knucklehead cab (line out of knucklehead> small mixer) (gr-1> small mixer) (edp's on fx sends @ small mixer) (small mixer out> power amp ins of 1 or 2 jc120's) this separates the tone and soundsource of the gtr from the synth and loops etc; in this case, if you have (for example) a thd hotplate, you can control (& balance) the overall output level of the kh w/the controls on the hotplate (www.thdelectronics.com) while sending a consistent level to the loop-dealie. (NB, though: using the hotplate to drive your kh cabinet at only 'whisper'-levels will not allow the kh speaker cab to contribute to your sound.....) >I'm toying with the idea of doing >this: >Guitar -> GR-1 >GR-1 Guitar Out -> Knucklehead (preamp) -> KH Effects Loop with a few >goodies -> KH Effects return -> KH power amp -> KH Line Out -> GR-1 Guitar >Return okay..... >GR-1 Stereo Outs -> the rest of my stereo setup, including an EDP on each >side, ending into two JC-120s sounds reasonable, but then you'll not be getting the best out of the knucklehead through the 'high-efficiency' jc-120's, i think..... >This will require me to have a dummy load on the Rivera. right; and most dummy-loads still require the amp to be connected to an actual speaker cab..... >1st question >- any >experience with the common dummy load devices? Any idea which will give >me >a true dummy load, while maintaining the beautiful tone of the Rivera? quick answer: well, there's no quick answer to that. if you wanna maintain the sound of yer kh, yer gonna need to play it through a suitable spkr cab. i have, myself, a few pathways to that end: 1) my current setup uses the thd hotplate: very good-sounding & reactive, very flexible w/a variety of selectable spkr-output-levels and one pure dummy-load, 2) my rivera m100 has a built-in switchable dummy-load, which does the job well so long as the line-out eventually ends in a suitable gtr spkr-cab, and 3) a switchable dummy-load w/compensated line-out made by mark bartel (of toneking amplifiers) that functions much like the rivera, but in a transportable box. i don't know if this'll help ya, but over the years i've developed this system as my 'direct-recording' rig: gtr>pedals>toneking comet 40 amp & cab>thd hotplate(set at -12dB, so there's still some gtr sound in the room)>ada ampulator (reactive power tube tone-shaping)>small mixer (loops, fx, etc)>ada microcab2 (speaker emulation)> recorder. >2nd question - do you have success with taking the Line Out from a Rivera, >running it through rack gear, and going out to other guitar amp(s)? that has worked for me, in the past, but: i would think that jc120's are not gonna be the perfect match for what i presume is the KH's original tone..... but: experimenting is the *only* way to find out what might work for ***you***! >Is >my >tone gonna sound like doo-doo? I can't really test this until I have a >dummy load. as far as i can tell, the 2 major available choices would be: 1) the thd hotplate (which i quite like, myself), and 2) the palmer stuff..... ( available at http://www.palmerdirect.com/ ) hope that helps!, and sorry if it doesn't..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 2 12:34:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20596; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:33:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:33:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020802163239.31489.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:32:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: input/output within old oberheim vs. new To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000501c239cb$32855b60$02f8c440@g0wn7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't know the serial number, but the way to tell is to look at the resistors. They don't have to be replaced, unless you are not getting the input control you want. You can just turn down the input, same effect (or is it an instrument?). So long as the output is hot enough for you. If you can't get enough output, then you want to change those resistors, at least. bret --- "JAMES R FOWLER, III" wrote: > does anybody know the approximate time serial number-wise at which > the > input/output headroom changes were made? > > my new old oberheim requires its input to be turned down relative to > my new > new gibson, but i want to make sure that it's not just a mechanical > difference in the pot and that the resistors in the oberheim do, in > fact, > need to be replaced. > > -jim > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 2 12:50:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21676; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:50:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:50:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <19f.63fa7e8.2a7c11fb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:48:59 EDT Subject: OT: Re: Dummy Loads, Line Outs, and thangs like that To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >--- Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> The problem with what you're proposing is that part of what makes a >> tube amp >> "warm" is the interaction with the load (speaker) and the tube >> amplifier stage. greg said: >Actually, I think it's the reaction between the speaker(s) and the >output transformer, but same type idea. actually, all these things should be considered, if yer interested in such. the interaction between all 3 is an area where my intrigue has remained piqued for a good while, now..... g: >True, but there are speaker load simulator devices which present the >tube amp with a reactive load. Units like the Marshall Power Brake do >this. Some also offer a line out which should be far superior in tone >to the line out your amp may have. I've heard very few amps that had a >decent sounding line out (it's usually taken BEFORE the power stage, there is no 'usually', or, at least: all of my gtr amps have line-outs from the power stage: toneking comet 40/20, rivera m100, 2 rivera twin-killers..... >so >it's all buzzy preamp distortion...). Some offer speaker simulation >too, but I guess you wouldn't need that in the setup you described. >The best sounding speaker simulator/load device I've personally heard >was the old Marshall SE100. I don't think they make that one any more, >but the Power Brake might also sound good. I've heard from several >people that the Palmer is very good too (although more expensive). I >heard one recording done direct through one and it was very nice. i like the thd hotplate. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 2 12:56:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22013; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:54:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:54:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Server-Uuid: 90826C58-91B0-45EB-95A5-46B6D42E456F Message-ID: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34CAFC@ENTCOEXCH13> From: "Lanpheer, James A" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: newbie Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:52:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 11546771928599-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mike- I just now on the verge of acquiring David Myers' Repeater second-hand, so i'm not the person to ask about the Repeater. However, the EDP does what i want it to do and more. You can always record your loops and sample them. The only thing that i find inferior about the EDP is that its the only device in my rig that is not stereo. It sucks to have everything in stereo all the way through the chain and then, have to go to mono at the end. Still, i'm looping sax, bass clarinet, wind controller, tabla and various percussion through it with decent sound quality to all. I'm actually planning on experimenting with using both the Repeater and Echoplex at the same time. I've got some feedback ideas that i'm going to try.... cheers, jim. -----Original Message----- From: mcolon@VisionAIR.com [mailto:mcolon@VisionAIR.com] Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 9:21 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: newbie James, thanks for the reply and suggestion. I was wondering about the echoplex digital pro. I noticed it has the option of multiplying, and allowing you to make a longer phrase looped over the short original loop. Do you know if the electrix repeater allows this? Also the EDP allows for undoing one overdub at a time, does a repeater allow that also. I've been searching the manual for this, but can't find any answers. I am interested in a repeater more, because of it's saving capabilities. the repeater seems to be basically a 4-track recorder, looper in one. Also, one mixing 4 tracks down to one to free up other tracks on the repeater, do you lose sound quality from if these tracks would have been left on individual tracks? Also, the edp allows you to switch loops on the fly seamlessly. Do you know if the repeater allows loops to be switched automatically without skipping a beat. This would be useful in switching sections automatically in live performance, and i'm wondering if when switching loops, does the loop time stay the same? thanks to eveyrone who answers these questions for me later sharing in grooves mike http://db.etree.org/jam www.tapercities.com/Phishpond/mcolon -----Original Message----- From: Lanpheer, James A [ mailto:Lanpheer.James.A@broadband.att.com ] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 3:23 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: newbie Mike- I use a Yamaha WX7 WC. To do what you are asking, i use a Echoplex Digital Pro. If you search the archives, you will find tons of information about it there. I also use the Line6 delay stompbox which has some sampling for shorter phrases. There are a variety of looping tools that can do what you are asking about. You don't need a MIDI sampler to do what you require. As a start, i'd recommend that you look at the Line6, EDP, Electrix Repeater (this product is discontinued, but they are still around) and the Boomerang. I control my EDP with a Yamaha MFC10 footswitch. There are other MIDI footpedals that can do the job as well. Bottom line, decide exactly what you want to do with your setup, look into the devices above and find what does what you seek in the most cost-effective way. By searching the archives, you can learn tons about people's experiences with the various choices i threw out above (which was not a complete list, btw...just a teaser). cheers, jim. -----Original Message----- From: mcolon@VisionAIR.com [ mailto:mcolon@VisionAIR.com ] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:17 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: newbie What's up everyone, my name is mike, and i just joined this list. I am new to the world of digital sampling and need some advice. I own a Yamaha WX5 Midi Wind Controller. I plan on using this for gigging, and would like to sample phrases, and have immediate playback. So i am going to need something that is foot pedal oriented, cause i am going to be improvising and doing all this live. I'm not going to be working on these phrases at home, recording them, and then playing to tracks. I want something that i can immediately hit a footswitch start recording, and then hit stop, and it loop it. I would like something that does more than just one loop also. I'm not sure if a midi sampler is the best way to go or not. Should i just use a phrase sampler that records analog, like a guitar sampler. Or is midi the best way to go, since my instrument is midi. And is there a footswitch type pedal for midi that fits what i need? All help would be greatly appreciated. thanks very much sharin in grooves Mike http://db.etree.org/jam < http://db.etree.org/jam > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 2 16:04:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05017; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:02:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:02:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:04:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Gig spam, Eugene OR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <9ouV1.A.YNB.AVuS9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, please excuse the spam-like taste and texture of this post, but I think there are a few Eugenians (Eugenics?) on the list: Tim McLaughlin's Eleven Eyes: Tim McLaughlin: trumpet, effects Matt Calkins: tenor & soprano sax Mark France: guitar, effects Dave Trenkel: bass, loops, effects Steve Weems: drums DJ Scratch n' Sniff: turntables, sampler Saturday, Aug. 3rd, at Jo Federicos, 259 E. 5th Ave, Eugene. This is a new band, our 2nd gig out. Avant-groove jazz, inspired by 70's Miles, Herbie Hancock Sextet, hip-hop, dub, drum 'n bass, etc. Original compositions, and standards by Miles, Monk,Radiohead, etc. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 2 16:08:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05468; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:07:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:07:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Server-Uuid: cda7734f-06b2-11d3-bc59-00805fbb2b22 Message-ID: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34CB07@ENTCOEXCH13> From: "Lanpheer, James A" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Gig spam, Eugene OR Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:05:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 115439D3336801-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is someone missing an eye?! ;) cheers, jim. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Trenkel [mailto:improv@peak.org] Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gig spam, Eugene OR Hi, please excuse the spam-like taste and texture of this post, but I think there are a few Eugenians (Eugenics?) on the list: Tim McLaughlin's Eleven Eyes: Tim McLaughlin: trumpet, effects Matt Calkins: tenor & soprano sax Mark France: guitar, effects Dave Trenkel: bass, loops, effects Steve Weems: drums DJ Scratch n' Sniff: turntables, sampler Saturday, Aug. 3rd, at Jo Federicos, 259 E. 5th Ave, Eugene. This is a new band, our 2nd gig out. Avant-groove jazz, inspired by 70's Miles, Herbie Hancock Sextet, hip-hop, dub, drum 'n bass, etc. Original compositions, and standards by Miles, Monk,Radiohead, etc. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 2 17:02:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09634; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:01:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:01:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:58:49 -0400 To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" From: Tom Ritchford Subject: 8/3: moving loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com open loop continues this Saturday 8/3/3/3 from 44 till 88pm. let us hope that I can find all my fear, er, gear after my immense move to Chelsea and consequent disorder. open loop is love live looping of love and electronic instruments, instruments looped love live with instruments looping and repeating and looping and voices and guitars and laptops and sequencers and instruments and looping of live music sound looping music. open loop is every Saturday afternoon from 4pm to 8pm at Chama, 332 east 4th street, between c & d, New York City. http://loopNY.com, $2 suggested donation. -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 2 18:17:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16040; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:16:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:16:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003201c23a3f$91f37f40$09f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <20020802163239.31489.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: input/output within old oberheim vs. new Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:13:41 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <7XjoxC.A.P5D.qSwS9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Don't know the serial number, but the way to tell is to look at the resistors." what am i looking for? "They don't have to be replaced, unless you are not getting the input control you want." i'm not getting the input control i want, but i don't get a lot of the things i want. "You can just turn down the input, same effect (or is it an instrument?). So long as the output is hot enough for you." enter problem. anybody replaced the resistors personally or has everybody just sent it off to gibson? -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 2 18:38:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17946; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:38:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:38:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 17:37:27 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: input/output within old oberheim vs. new To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <060c01c23a75$2e1f67f0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020802163239.31489.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> <003201c23a3f$91f37f40$09f8c440@g0wn7> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i did this myself, but i have some experience with soldering... if you do it, i highly recommend replacing the voltage regulator as per kim's instructions (on the web site i think) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 11:13 AM Subject: Re: input/output within old oberheim vs. new > "Don't know the serial number, but the way to tell is to look at the > resistors." > > what am i looking for? > > "They don't have to be replaced, unless you are not getting the input > control you want." > > i'm not getting the input control i want, but i don't get a lot of the > things i want. > > "You can just turn down the input, same effect (or is it an instrument?). > So long as the output is hot enough for you." > > enter problem. > > anybody replaced the resistors personally or has everybody just sent it off > to gibson? > > -jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 2 18:39:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18088; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:38:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:38:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 2.117 (F2.6; T0.14; A1.46; B2.12; Q2.03) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 22:38:14 +0000 From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Epoch: 1028327894 X-Sasl-enc: 5KNWywjxDEU5qPWAbNJOHA Subject: Re: AmbiLoop 1.30 released Message-Id: <20020802223814.63A0D6DAD7@www.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is turning into quite a little program. Any chance we'll be seeing midi implementation soon? :) I am getting a click at the beginning of my loops though. Maybe I just have to set a longer latency. Ernesto On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 22:42:36 -0700 (PDT), "Christopher MacDonald" said: > A new version of the AmbiLoop software looper for Windows is now > available. New features include: > > * Updated track interface. > * Solo button per-track. > * Slow and Reverse now selectable per-track. > * Mute per-track. > * Insert Record mode to automatically record > a single, complete pass through a loop. > * Set loop time via tempo and measures. > * Change loop time for all tracks simultaneously. > * Metronome available in play and/or record. > * Option to use spacebar for Record instead of Play/Pause. > > Available free of charge at http://www.evenfall.com/ambiloop/index.html > > Enjoy! > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm/ - Consolidate POP email and Hotmail in one place From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 2 18:59:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20983; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:59:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:59:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D4B0E99.9864D125@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:58:33 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loop Polyphony on the EDP? References: <6D2F98FE3BF6D511954B00D0B7AF6B560109D688@exchange.visioncomm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, Is it my imagination, or is there a way that the EDP will play multiple loops at one time? I know you can get 9 going at once, but can you hear more than one at a time? Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 2 19:07:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21771; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:06:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:06:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:06:01 EDT Subject: Re: Loop Polyphony on the EDP? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <12i9tC.A.bTF.5BxS9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ms, >I know you can get 9 going at once, but can you hear >more than one at a time? depends on how fast yer ears are. *-) dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 2 19:52:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24831; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:51:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:51:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Loop Polyphony on the EDP? Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:50:50 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c23a7f$70f8b400$6107f843@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- ms, >I know you can get 9 going at once, but can you hear >more than one at a time? depends on how fast yer ears are. *-) dt / s-c **Or play like Andre 8^) No, the EDP is strictly a one loop at a time machine, altho Matthias said in a recent post that he could have written the code to enable it to do 4 loops at once, but without feedback or volume changes. So I guess the solution would be, have more than one looper-- Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 2 20:33:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28709; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 20:32:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 20:32:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 17:37:57 -0700 From: Anthony Justman Subject: Re: PCM 42 dreaming To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00bc01c23a86$0394b060$0300a8c0@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just came across that plug in the other day and wondered what it's like. $149 is a lot cheaper than the real thing.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "andrew pask" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 10:21 AM Subject: Re: PCM 42 dreaming > On 7/31/02 at 1:05 PM, tarbit@hotmail.com (Louis Rossi) wrote: > > > OK, > > Hypothetically speaking, if someone has $1200 to pick up a pcm 42 is there > > anyone still in the business of upgrading it to the 19.xx seconds? > > > On a side note, I recently came into posession of the PSP42, an emulation of the > famed delay as a vst plug. It is made by the Polish software company PSP Audio > > www.pspaudioware.com > > This plug is "approved" by Lexicon , whatever that means, has a 32 sec sample > memory and sounds very cool. The MIDI implementation is great, and I use it live > on my laptop, no problems with clicking when changing parameters on the fly and > latency is acceptable. A bit cheaper than the hardware box too. > > L8r > > A > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 2 21:01:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32261; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 21:00:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 21:00:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D4B2B19.E45992D@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 18:00:09 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop Polyphony on the EDP? References: <000001c23a7f$70f8b400$6107f843@gary> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think that would be a useful feature, but to give up feedback control... Hmmm. I guess this is what a Repeater's for. Gary Lehmann wrote: > > So I guess the solution would be, have more than one looper-- > Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 2 21:06:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32705; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 21:05:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 21:05:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004901c23a8a$3d218520$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <126.14943cb7.2a7c0b6c@aol.com> Subject: Re: Dummy Loads, Line Outs, and thangs like that Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 20:08:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dt, Mark, Kim, Pedro, Chris, Stan, David, Greg, et. al. THANKS! That little bit of discussion and sharing of ideas has given me some things to work on. I think I'll try Greg's idea and use a long speaker cable to put the Rivera cab in another room, and check sound of the Rivera's line out into a JC-120. I can confirm that the Rivera line out is *post* power amp stage, so we'll see how it sounds. I also hear a lot of votes for the THD Hotplate, and reactive loads in general, so I'll go on a little hunt for one. I think a friend of mine in town has one (8 ohm, I hope!), so I'll give that a shot too. I know it has a dummy load setting, and an adjustable line out, so I'd hope for a good tone from that into the JC-120s. dt, thanks much for your detailed analysis and reply. I still can't get myself excited about using a mixer and aux sends, although I recognize the extra flexibility it would add. I think it's just my background as a guitar player, and being a guy who wants to minimize the gear to lug around. It's also something to do with wanting to control most/all of my goodies with my feet, as opposed to having to let go of the guitar to tweak a mixer slider/knob. Just forgive me, and let me suffer on that one! :) Again guys, thanks. I will report back on any/all experiments in this area. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 11:21 AM Subject: Re: Dummy Loads, Line Outs, and thangs like that > doug, > > >I know you have much experience with Rivera amps and racks of gear, > well..... i use one rack w/4 single-space units in it..... > i do use a rivera m100 head, quite often, which was modified by paul rivera > sr. > > >so > >I > >thought you'd be a good resource for this question. > we'll see! > 8-) > > >I have a Knucklehead 100 watt. I also have a GR-1, > gr-1 is a roland synth-gtr unit w/hex-pickup? > > >2 EDPs, and some other > >stuff, that encourages me to run a stereo setup. > right. > > >My current preference > >is to run stereo into 2 JC-120s. But... I *love* the tone and flexibility > >of my Rivera, and am exploring ways to get it into my setup. > gotcha. > > >My goal is to > >treat the Knucklehead as the tone shaper of my guitar signal, while keeping > >my synth guitar and stereo capability. > there is at least one alternate path --- if yer willing to haul everything > around: > dual mono or 3-point stereo: > gtr> knucklehead> dedicated knucklehead cab > (line out of knucklehead> small mixer) > (gr-1> small mixer) > (edp's on fx sends @ small mixer) > (small mixer out> power amp ins of 1 or 2 jc120's) > > this separates the tone and soundsource of the gtr from the synth and loops > etc; in this case, if you have (for example) a thd hotplate, you can control > (& balance) the overall output level of the kh w/the controls on the hotplate > (www.thdelectronics.com) while sending a consistent level to the loop-dealie. > (NB, though: using the hotplate to drive your kh cabinet at only > 'whisper'-levels will not allow the kh speaker cab to contribute to your > sound.....) > > >I'm toying with the idea of doing > >this: > >Guitar -> GR-1 > >GR-1 Guitar Out -> Knucklehead (preamp) -> KH Effects Loop with a few > >goodies -> KH Effects return -> KH power amp -> KH Line Out -> GR-1 Guitar > >Return > okay..... > > >GR-1 Stereo Outs -> the rest of my stereo setup, including an EDP on each > >side, ending into two JC-120s > sounds reasonable, but then you'll not be getting the best out of the > knucklehead through the 'high-efficiency' jc-120's, i think..... > > >This will require me to have a dummy load on the Rivera. > right; and most dummy-loads still require the amp to be connected to an > actual speaker cab..... > > >1st question > >- any > >experience with the common dummy load devices? Any idea which will give > >me > >a true dummy load, while maintaining the beautiful tone of the Rivera? > quick answer: > well, there's no quick answer to that. > if you wanna maintain the sound of yer kh, yer gonna need to play it through > a suitable spkr cab. > i have, myself, a few pathways to that end: > 1) my current setup uses the thd hotplate: very good-sounding & reactive, > very flexible w/a variety of selectable spkr-output-levels and one pure > dummy-load, > 2) my rivera m100 has a built-in switchable dummy-load, which does the job > well so long as the line-out eventually ends in a suitable gtr spkr-cab, and > 3) a switchable dummy-load w/compensated line-out made by mark bartel (of > toneking amplifiers) that functions much like the rivera, but in a > transportable box. > > i don't know if this'll help ya, but over the years i've developed this > system as my 'direct-recording' rig: > gtr>pedals>toneking comet 40 amp & cab>thd hotplate(set at -12dB, so there's > still some gtr sound in the room)>ada ampulator (reactive power tube > tone-shaping)>small mixer (loops, fx, etc)>ada microcab2 (speaker emulation)> > recorder. > > >2nd question - do you have success with taking the Line Out from a Rivera, > >running it through rack gear, and going out to other guitar amp(s)? > that has worked for me, in the past, but: > i would think that jc120's are not gonna be the perfect match for what i > presume is the KH's original tone..... > but: > experimenting is the *only* way to find out what might work for ***you***! > > >Is > >my > >tone gonna sound like doo-doo? I can't really test this until I have a > >dummy load. > as far as i can tell, the 2 major available choices would be: > 1) the thd hotplate (which i quite like, myself), and > 2) the palmer stuff..... ( available at http://www.palmerdirect.com/ ) > > hope that helps!, and sorry if it doesn't..... > best, > dt / splattercell > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 2 22:37:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06435; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 22:37:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 22:37:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:38:21 -0700 Message-ID: <3D4590FA00005438@mta08.san.yahoo.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: AmbiLoop 1.30 released To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id WAA06366 Resent-Message-ID: <6agZlC.A.tjB.4G0S9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ernesto, If I may answer for Chris McDonald, yes... I am doing the MIDI implementation for AmbiLoop. I started working on it several weeks ago, but only in my spare time. I am implementing MIDI remote control first( about 50% done), MIDI time code generation second, and lastly, MIDI sync... I'm sure Chris will keep everyone posted as to the status of things. -cpr >-- Original Message -- >Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 22:38:14 +0000 >From: "ernesto schnack" >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: AmbiLoop 1.30 released >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >This is turning into quite a little program. Any chance we'll be seeing >midi implementation soon? :) > >I am getting a click at the beginning of my loops though. Maybe I just >have to set a longer latency. > >Ernesto > > >On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 22:42:36 -0700 (PDT), "Christopher MacDonald" > said: >> A new version of the AmbiLoop software looper for Windows is now >> available. New features include: >> >> * Updated track interface. >> * Solo button per-track. >> * Slow and Reverse now selectable per-track. >> * Mute per-track. >> * Insert Record mode to automatically record >> a single, complete pass through a loop. >> * Set loop time via tempo and measures. >> * Change loop time for all tracks simultaneously. >> * Metronome available in play and/or record. >> * Option to use spacebar for Record instead of Play/Pause. >> >> Available free of charge at http://www.evenfall.com/ambiloop/index.html >> >> Enjoy! >> Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better >-- >ernesto schnack >http://schnack.does.it > >-- >http://fastmail.fm/ - Consolidate POP email and Hotmail in one place > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 2 22:56:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07931; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 22:56:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 22:56:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007101c23a66$9c8dd050$09f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <20020802163239.31489.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> <003201c23a3f$91f37f40$09f8c440@g0wn7> <060c01c23a75$2e1f67f0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: input/output within old oberheim vs. new Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 21:53:09 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes, resistors 10 and 30, correct? what values should i look for in the resistors? is a 30watt iron too hot for pcb? -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 2 23:30:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10747; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 23:22:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 23:22:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c23a9c$a2eac800$abd897c8@fuckinmachine> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: <20020730052223.B84256D99A@www.fastmail.fm> <003c01c239b5$78413b80$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> <000a01c239b6$98560300$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> <004c01c239bd$e67318a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> <3D49DFBF.23F662C@zerocrossing.net> <009f01c239ce$93f74fe0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Subject: Re: Dummy Loads : Alan and Eddie ... Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:48:04 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the first people i hear about dummys : Van Halen ( his brown sound , a Marshall with a dummy , send to the mxr pedals etcetc ) and Alan Holdsworth , who make his own box , later name Juice Extractor ? by Rocktron ? if you go to Google , you will find something more ... was my dream years ago , but no money for that here ... good health ! julio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Cox" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 11:44 PM Subject: Re: Dummy Loads, Line Outs, and thangs like that > Mark, > > Thanks for the reply! > > My understanding is that there are some dummy load boxes that reproduce the > variable impedence (based on frequency) that a speaker cab usually exhibits. > This is exactly what I'm hoping to get some advice/experience on - which > load boxes have people used and gotten satisfactory results? I'm not > depending on the JC-120 or it's speakers to provide this piece of the > equation. The JC-120s will simply amplify the final guitar signal (and > guitar synth signal) after they have come out of the dummy-loaded Rivera > (both preamp and power amp stages), gone through the EDP's, a Vortex, and > some modulation effects (chorus, etc). > > Again, my understanding is that a "good" load box can give me a reasonably > good tone out of the Rivera, at line levels, which I can then pipe through > my rack. > > I'm not referring to an attenuator with a speaker sim here. See > http://www.soundsmith.com/fake.htm and the graph at the bottom of the page, > which shows how some load boxes can reproduce the behavior you are talking > about. I used to have a PowerBrake, but didn't like the tone it caused at > the dummy load setting. The graph seems to suggest why. It also suggests > that the THD Hotplate and the PowerSoak cause ugly sounds for the same > reason - no variable impendance. The "Silent Speaker" shown in the graph > seems like it would be wondermous... but I can't find current info on one > anywhere. > > I remain hopeful that someone on the list can give me some useful advice! > > Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 8:26 PM > Subject: Re: Dummy Loads, Line Outs, and thangs like that > > > > The problem with what you're proposing is that part of what makes a tube > amp > > "warm" is the interaction with the load (speaker) and the tube amplifier > > stage. The thing about a speaker is it's impedance rating is not fixed. > It > > actually changes based on the frequency it's trying to reproduce and other > > > factors. Anyway, the interplay between how the speaker effects the amp is > what > > it's all about. OK, well what some of it's about. Transistors do not > behave > > in this way. > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > Doug Cox wrote: > > > > > Yes, I know. However, if you'll notice the proposed signal path I > > > mentioned, it ends with two JC-120s, guitar amps with 12" speakers. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 3 00:14:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15594; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 00:14:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 00:14:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020803041357.71730.qmail@web12908.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 21:13:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher MacDonald Subject: Re: AmbiLoop 1.30 released To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1649202736-1028348037=:71660" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1649202736-1028348037=:71660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > This is turning into quite a little program. Any chance we'll be seeing> midi implementation soon? :) Thank you! Someone has volunteered to work on MIDI control, so hopefully that will be available soon. MIDI sync might take a little longer... :) > I am getting a click at the beginning of my loops though. Maybe I just> have to set a longer latency. > Ernesto Possibly. If latency doesn't fix it, email me and I'll try to diagnose it for you. Thanks, -Chris --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better --0-1649202736-1028348037=:71660 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii 
> This is turning into quite a little program. Any chance we'll be seeing
> midi implementation soon? :)
Thank you!  Someone has volunteered to work on MIDI control, so hopefully that will be available soon.  
MIDI sync might take a little longer...  :)

> I am getting a click at the beginning of my loops though.  Maybe I just
> have to set a longer latency. 
> Ernesto

Possibly.  If latency doesn't fix it, email me and I'll try to diagnose it for you.

Thanks,
-Chris


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Health - Feel better, live better --0-1649202736-1028348037=:71660-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 3 00:19:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16245; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 00:19:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 00:19:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34CB07@ENTCOEXCH13> References: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34CB07@ENTCOEXCH13> Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 21:22:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: RE: Gig spam, Eugene OR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Is someone missing an eye?! ;) or should that be , -) (one-eyed smiley)... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 3 01:02:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20505; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 01:02:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 01:02:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020803050142.13630.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 22:01:42 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: upcoming show in NYC? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200207281816.OAA24185@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'll be in NYC from friday aug 24 to the 26th, and i was wondering who knows of what shows coming up? when does open loop take place? obviously i'm curious about loop oriented shows, but anything you want to tell me about would be great... thanks, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 3 01:19:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA21464; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 01:16:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 01:16:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020803051519.18910.qmail@web10105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 22:15:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: input/output within old oberheim vs. new To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <060c01c23a75$2e1f67f0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have done this resistor replace for gain change on several edp. As jim palmer implies, you need to have some experience with soldering. This is probably not a good first project. The voltage regulator change is a must, much, much cooler. Again, you need to know what your doing. If you are good at soldering, I could step you through the procedures for each of these, offline. bret --- jim palmer wrote: > i did this myself, but i have some experience with soldering... > if you do it, i highly recommend replacing the voltage > regulator as per kim's instructions (on the web site i think) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jimmy Fowler" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 11:13 AM > Subject: Re: input/output within old oberheim vs. new > > > > "Don't know the serial number, but the way to tell is to look at > the > > resistors." > > > > what am i looking for? > > > > "They don't have to be replaced, unless you are not getting the > input > > control you want." > > > > i'm not getting the input control i want, but i don't get a lot of > the > > things i want. > > > > "You can just turn down the input, same effect (or is it an > instrument?). > > So long as the output is hot enough for you." > > > > enter problem. > > > > anybody replaced the resistors personally or has everybody just > sent it off > > to gibson? > > > > -jim > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 3 03:32:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA32330; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 03:31:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 03:31:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020803003115.037ef478@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 00:33:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: input/output within old oberheim vs. new In-Reply-To: <007101c23a66$9c8dd050$09f8c440@g0wn7> References: <20020802163239.31489.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> <003201c23a3f$91f37f40$09f8c440@g0wn7> <060c01c23a75$2e1f67f0$080210ac@jpalmer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com that info is in the echoplex faq at the looper's delight site: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html#Anchor-47383 will take you right there. kim At 01:53 PM 8/2/2002, Jimmy Fowler wrote: >yes, resistors 10 and 30, correct? what values should i look for in the >resistors? is a 30watt iron too hot for pcb? > >-jim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 3 03:56:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01734; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 03:56:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 03:56:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: guitarist Denis Taaffe third CD preview Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 02:55:34 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: input/output within old oberheim vs. new Thread-Index: AcI6v+vrVX+7eZJiRLyU+4T+6NoQ+QAAskQQ From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2002 07:55:34.0933 (UTC) FILETIME=[25F03C50:01C23AC3] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id DAA01650 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I got some 30 sec samples of tracks from my third CD that is almost completed. It is still a continuation of regular guitar and guitar loops done on the fly and all the material is recorded live with no overdubs and no synths,even the bass sounds are done on guitar. Well,yeah yeah you shouldn't use drum machines,etc.heard that before.. but I love em!!!!...WEll, still if you care to give a listen , I would appreciate your thoughts and comments. I am still working on the cd butlet me know what you think non the less if you would. I have 6 30 sec samples up ,no not the whole song, because I am nto even sure those will actually make the CD , but I think they will.Well, let me know what you think, recorded on Vs880's!! The URL is http://www.dtguitar.com/mp3.html Thanks Denis Denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 3 03:59:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02047; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 03:58:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 03:58:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020802235921.024a5850@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 01:00:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Dummy Loads, Line Outs, and thangs like that In-Reply-To: <354EC66C-A5C6-11D6-93D6-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020801193659.0229bca0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:16 PM 8/1/2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 07:42 PM, Kim Flint wrote: >>I was looking into this a few years ago to get a line out of my >>simulclass 2:90, as well as be able to run the tubes into distortion >>without shattering the walls of my building. > >Where can we hear the guitar stylings of Kim Flint? I didn't even know >you were a musician. apparently it's a well kept secret, but I've played guitar since I was seven. I was so into it that I ended up burning out on guitar a few years ago, both playing and listening to it. that plus a career in hyperdrive has meant I haven't played much lately, which is very sad. Probably when work slows down a bit I'll go back to it, or pick up some other instrument that doesn't have strings. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 3 04:04:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03868; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 04:04:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 04:04:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020803005030.00b5f128@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 01:05:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: input/output within old oberheim vs. new In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020803003115.037ef478@loopers-delight.com> References: <007101c23a66$9c8dd050$09f8c440@g0wn7> <20020802163239.31489.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> <003201c23a3f$91f37f40$09f8c440@g0wn7> <060c01c23a75$2e1f67f0$080210ac@jpalmer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone experimented with alternate values for R10 and R30? Even after the FAQ mod, I still can only put the input pot up to about 9 o'clock before I start to get clipping, and then I have to turn my return channel up to get the signal back to unity gain. It would be nice if we could figure out resistor values to either place in parallel with the input and output pots or to replace R10 and R30, to have the EDP permanently set for line level (with, say, 10dB of headroom) when the input and output pots are turned all the way up. -Hans At 00:33 03/08/2002, you wrote: >that info is in the echoplex faq at the looper's delight site: >http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html#Anchor-47383 >will take you right there. >kim > > >At 01:53 PM 8/2/2002, Jimmy Fowler wrote: >>yes, resistors 10 and 30, correct? what values should i look for in the >>resistors? is a 30watt iron too hot for pcb? >> >>-jim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 3 04:16:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04687; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 04:15:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 04:15:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 01:15:13 -0700 Subject: Re: guitarist Denis Taaffe third CD preview Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <22E2C138-A6B9-11D6-93D2-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like the drum machines too Denis! Sweet stuff. I can't help it if I'm a sucker for the big guitar loop extravaganza (I am one myself!) Check out Ted Killian's stuff, for BIG cinematic guitar. Keep up the good loops, Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, August 3, 2002, at 12:55 AM, Taaffe, Denis G wrote: > Hello, > > > I got some 30 sec samples of tracks from my third CD that is almost > completed. It is still a continuation of regular guitar and guitar > loops done on the fly and all the material is recorded live with no > overdubs and no synths,even the bass sounds are done on guitar. > Well,yeah yeah you shouldn't use drum machines,etc.heard that before.. > but I love em!!!!...WEll, still if you care to give a listen , I would > appreciate your thoughts and comments. I am still working on the cd > butlet me know what you think non the less if you would. I have 6 30 > sec samples up ,no not the whole song, because I am nto even sure those > will actually make the CD , but I think they will.Well, let me know > what you think, recorded on Vs880's!! > > The URL is http://www.dtguitar.com/mp3.html > > Thanks > Denis > > Denis Taaffe > denis@dtguitar.com > http://www.dtguitar.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 3 04:31:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA05946; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 04:30:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 04:30:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020803011543.00b8a1b0@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: hlindauer@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 01:31:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Subject: Substitute as EDP Resample? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It just occurred to me that the new Substitute Insert Mode in EDP LoopIV could be used to resample loops. Since Substitute allows you to play back your original loop while you're replacing it, you can feed the EDP's output through other processing, tweak it, and feed it back to the input to resample it. This could be nice if you wanted to permanently change your loop without tying up a processor, i.e. to use EQ Killer or to record a filter sweep or otherwise mangle the loop in a serial fashion (parallel processing can simply be overdubbed). -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 3 08:29:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA23331; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 08:28:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 08:28:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c23ae8$50005d20$7387abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: References: Subject: Re: Loop Polyphony on the EDP? Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 14:21:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >I know you can get 9 going at once, but can you hear > >more than one at a time? > depends on how fast yer ears are. > *-) > dt / s-c david, you can always be very funny ! luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 3 09:16:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28103; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 09:15:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 09:15:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: <57.f600d90.2a7d3158@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 09:15:04 EDT Subject: Re: upcoming show in NYC? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_57.f600d90.2a7d3158_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 8.0 for Windows US sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_57.f600d90.2a7d3158_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi phil - open loop takes place on saturdays from 4pm to 8pm at chama, located on east 4th street between avenues c and d - (closer to d) - tom ritchford is the master of ceremonies and it is, of course, an open jam - i may be on vacation on 8/24 but i'm sure tom would love to meet you if you can make it - harry --part1_57.f600d90.2a7d3158_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi phil - open loop takes place  on saturdays from 4pm to 8pm at chama, located on east 4th street between avenues c and d - (closer to d) - tom ritchford is the master of ceremonies and it is, of course, an open jam - i may be on vacation on 8/24 but i'm sure tom would love to meet you if you can make it - harry --part1_57.f600d90.2a7d3158_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 3 10:14:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00929; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:14:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:14:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <23.22212e94.2a7d3efc@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:13:16 EDT Subject: GIG ALERT: AKASH in NYC: Aug 6th @ 9pm To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_23.22212e94.2a7d3efc_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10514 Resent-Message-ID: <12Azk.A.zN.jU-S9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_23.22212e94.2a7d3efc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Step right up...Step right Up Folks... Tuesday August 6th, starting @ 9pm A Night of "Oddities" Featuring as Headliner: AKASH: THE WORLD'S MOST EROTIC BAND! (on Ph.P Records) http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic Location: North 6 Basement 66 North 6th street in Williamsburg Brooklyn, NY Witness this "Darkly Drawn" - August "Firecracker" as Philadelphia's Legendary AKASH in a rare incarnation of Maxed Out - Experimental Noise & their usual Full Frontal Nudity goes to even further sonic & ultra-kinky extremes. *Warning*: There ain't gonna be no stinkin' melody or attention to dynamics from AKASH @ this gig. We predict that AKASH will incarnate as a 3 piece - Voodoo-Noise Band - with Charles Duquesne poundin' the evil spirits out of his drum kit ( Sugasmack Daddy, God Lives Underwater, King Britt, White Girl, DeeLite & FOR ), Multi-Instrumentalist-Producer John Price on Electric Guitar/Guitar Synth, Samples & Guitar Loops ( Temple of Bon Matin, Psychohead, White Girl, 929 Blessings ) & "Elizabeth" on Vocals.& Mega-Kinky Punishments ( PA Ballet, Philly Fringe Fest. Cafe Kink ). Also on hand will be Puppet shows by people previously from Fort Thunder outta Providence, RI: "Simulacrum" by A La Sinistra, featuring Roby Newton Erin Rosenthal brings ya "Death's Dream Kingdom" Acrobatics, Body Contortion, and Burlesque by a circus school graduate: "Harvest" + A Costumed "White Rapper" from "Lotus", who is also from Philly: "White Vulture" & for ALL this fun stuff in NYC, it can be yours for a $5 cover charge. & BTW, for all ya'll ambient-melodic-space rock/bliss-heads, fear not cuz the less abrasive side of AKASH will no doubt incarnate again as we predict a "softer incarnation" will again occur just in time for AKASH'S return to Philly @ this years Libertine Ball. Go to http://www.fetishesboutique.com for info on The Libertine Ball's date, location, pricing on tickets + more info on the fashions/dress code, etc. AKASH truly hopes to see everyone in America who has been hanging in there with us for the last 4 yrs as AKASH is coming soon to your hometown. *depending upon the local ordinacnes where ya live* :) "REMEMBER TO ALWAYS KILL YOUR EXPECTATIONS" Warmest Regards, John Price/AKASH "The World's Most Erotic Band" http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic --part1_23.22212e94.2a7d3efc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Step right up...Step right Up Folks...
Tuesday August 6th, starting @ 9pm
A Night of "Oddities" Featuring as Headliner:
AKASH: THE WORLD'S MOST EROTIC BAND!
(on Ph.P Records)
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic

Location:
North 6 Basement
66 North 6th street
in Williamsburg Brooklyn, NY

Witness this "Darkly Drawn" - August "Firecracker" as Philadelphia's Legendary AKASH in a rare incarnation of Maxed Out - Experimental Noise & their usual Full Frontal Nudity goes to even further sonic & ultra-kinky extremes.

*Warning*: There ain't gonna be no stinkin' melody or attention to dynamics from AKASH @ this gig.

We predict that AKASH will incarnate as a 3 piece - Voodoo-Noise Band - with Charles Duquesne poundin' the evil spirits out of his drum kit ( Sugasmack Daddy, God Lives Underwater, King Britt, White Girl, DeeLite & FOR ), Multi-Instrumentalist-Producer John Price on Electric Guitar/Guitar Synth, Samples & Guitar Loops
( Temple of Bon Matin, Psychohead, White Girl, 929 Blessings ) & "Elizabeth" on Vocals.& Mega-Kinky Punishments ( PA Ballet, Philly Fringe Fest. Cafe Kink ).

Also on hand will be Puppet shows by people previously from Fort Thunder outta Providence, RI: "Simulacrum" by A La Sinistra, featuring Roby Newton

Erin Rosenthal brings ya "Death's Dream Kingdom" 

Acrobatics, Body Contortion, and Burlesque by a circus school graduate:
"Harvest"

+ A Costumed "White Rapper" from "Lotus",
who is also from Philly: "White Vulture"

& for ALL this fun stuff in NYC, it can be yours for a $5 cover charge.

& BTW, for all ya'll ambient-melodic-space rock/bliss-heads, fear not cuz the less abrasive side of AKASH will no doubt incarnate again as we predict a "softer incarnation" will again occur just in time for AKASH'S return to Philly @ this years Libertine Ball.

Go to http://www.fetishesboutique.com for info on The Libertine Ball's date, location, pricing on tickets + more info on the fashions/dress code, etc.

AKASH truly hopes to see everyone in America who has been hanging in there with us for the last 4 yrs as AKASH is coming soon to your hometown.
*depending upon the local ordinacnes where ya live*  :)

"REMEMBER TO ALWAYS KILL YOUR EXPECTATIONS"    
                   
Warmest Regards,
John Price/AKASH
"The World's Most Erotic Band" 
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic

 --part1_23.22212e94.2a7d3efc_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 3 12:18:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14980; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:18:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:18:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020803161749.97344.qmail@web12008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 09:17:49 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #506 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200208031414.KAA00984@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks very much! i look forward to meeting people on the 25th! cheers phil > ATTACHMENT part 17 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 09:15:04 EDT > From: HarryEsq@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: upcoming show in NYC? > > hi phil - open loop takes place on saturdays from > 4pm to 8pm at chama, > located on east 4th street between avenues c and d - > (closer to d) - tom > ritchford is the master of ceremonies and it is, of > course, an open jam - i > may be on vacation on 8/24 but i'm sure tom would > love to meet you if you can > make it - harry > ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 3 12:18:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15021; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:18:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:18:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <76.2032f82f.2a7d5c24@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:17:40 EDT Subject: Re: Substitute as EDP Resample? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hans, re: below. good one! best, dt / splattercell >It just occurred to me that the new Substitute Insert Mode in EDP LoopIV > >could be used to resample loops. Since Substitute allows you to play back > >your original loop while you're replacing it, you can feed the EDP's output > >through other processing, tweak it, and feed it back to the input to >resample it. This could be nice if you wanted to permanently change your > >loop without tying up a processor, i.e. to use EQ Killer or to record a > >filter sweep or otherwise mangle the loop in a serial fashion (parallel > >processing can simply be overdubbed). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 3 13:06:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20036; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 13:05:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 13:05:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003201c23b0f$5b12c460$60e65cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #280 Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:59:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #280 August 1, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on Hemisphere, a band from Germany known for dark electronic ambient excursions. The Featured CD at midnight was "Intruders" on the Groove label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Angst" by Klaus Schulze on the Inteam label. Hemisphere http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#aug PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Klaus Schulze Freeze Angst (Inteam) Bjorn Lynne Hyperdrive Stimuli Colony (none) Ricochet Musos Wildlife at Okefenokee Okefenokee Dreams 2001 (Neu Harmony and Groove) Robert Rich and Methane Outpost (DiN) Ian Boddy VA [Bionaut] Astral Unraveller The Gatherings (Synkronos) Interstitial Refraction Temporal Arc (Red Antenna) Matt Borghi The First Rays of This Elegy for Time (Space for Forever's Light Music) 12:00 am Hemisphere Intro Intruders (Groove) Hemisphere Solitary Life Intruders (Groove) Hemisphere Intruders Intruders (Groove) Hemisphere Fearless Intruders (Groove) Hemisphere Interllectual Freedom Intruders (Groove) Hemisphere Human Victims Intruders (Groove) Hemisphere Invaders from the True Intruders (Groove) World Hemisphere Dark Passion Intruders (Groove) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Hemisphere. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Liquid Mirror" on the Groove label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Romance 76" by Peter Baumann on the Virgin label. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 3 14:08:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26042; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 14:08:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 14:08:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020803050142.13630.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020803050142.13630.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 14:06:31 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: upcoming show in NYC? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: philip raath >i'll be in NYC from friday aug 24 to the 26th, and i >was wondering who knows of what shows coming up? > >when does open loop take place? obviously i'm curious >about loop oriented shows, but anything you want to >tell me about would be great... open loop is every Saturday afternoon from 4pm to 8pm at Chama, 332 east 4th street, between c & d, New York City. http://loopNY.com, $2 suggested donation. a lot of the electronic sorts of shows have a lot of looping of one type or another -- I have a mailing list you could check out for this http://www.topica.com/lists/extremeny/read Things have been slow recently in New York, I have to confess. /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 3 14:12:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26426; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 14:12:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 14:12:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 14:16:59 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #506 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000a01c23b19$f5b81ba0$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020803161749.97344.qmail@web12008.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6rYmvB.A.kcG.E0BT9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com open loop is on Saturdays, in this case the 24th. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley ----- Original Message ----- From: "philip raath" > thanks very much! i look forward to meeting people on > the 25th! > > cheers > > phil > > > ATTACHMENT part 17 message/rfc822 > > Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 09:15:04 EDT > > From: HarryEsq@aol.com > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: upcoming show in NYC? > > > > hi phil - open loop takes place on saturdays from > > 4pm to 8pm at chama, > > located on east 4th street between avenues c and d - > > (closer to d) - tom > > ritchford is the master of ceremonies and it is, of > > course, an open jam - i > > may be on vacation on 8/24 but i'm sure tom would > > love to meet you if you can > > make it - harry > > > > > ===== > "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what > it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. > It is the knowledge that there can never really be any > peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally > for you too." > -Frederick Buechner > "The jewel is in the lotus." > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 3 18:42:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19847; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:42:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:42:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: Midi Thru, EDP & Ecplise Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 17:42:29 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c23b3f$0c61a720$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <000a01c23b19$f5b81ba0$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My Midi patchbay is full and I am wondering if the following will be a suitable configuration for my Eclipse & EDP: Route Midi Out from MTP to Eclipse Midi In Route Midi Thru from Eclipse to EDP Midi In Route Midi Out from EDP to MTP Midi In What I am interested in know from a technical standpoint is whether or not Midi Clock will be preserved for both units (and the rest of my rig) and any other issues that I should be aware of. I just want to make sure that if I am trying to control the EDP by sending midi messages via the Eclipse Thru port, the EDP will not freak out (of course assuming I have the proper midi channels set, etc.) I believe I want the EDP to be my master Midi time keeper for my rig and I think this setup will allow it. Any other suggestions, ideas would be appreciated. Thanks, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 3 21:17:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31508; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 21:16:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 21:16:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ReleasEnt@aol.com Message-ID: <11f.1454cad8.2a7dda6a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 21:16:26 EDT Subject: OT FW: Desolation House (new label) info To: ReleasEnt@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11f.1454cad8.2a7dda6a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10510 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_11f.1454cad8.2a7dda6a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit for those interested in dark electronics/ambient... <> --part1_11f.1454cad8.2a7dda6a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit for those interested in dark electronics/ambient...

<<New label, Desolation House, to launch


    Desolation House, a new label dedicated to dark electronics, has launched it's debut release. That debut, "Vivid Circles" by Italy's Subterranean Source, is scheduled for a July 23rd release in the United States and August 5th release in Europe. 

    Desolation House will focus solely on finely-packaged, dark electronic recordings of the highest quality.  Each release will be strictly limited to one thousand copies worldwide. The label will culminate with it's twelfth release, a compilation retrospective composed entirely of unreleased material by each of the artists preceding it.

    The second and third Desolation House releases are "Chronicling the Famine" by San Francisco's GRUNTSPLATTER as well as a Christian Renou / Bastard Noise collaboration respectively.

    Desolation House will be distributed in the United States by Ryko, while European distribution will be handled by Cold Meat Industry.

    For more information visit the Desolation House site at www.desolationhouse.com. 

Desolation House release schedule:

July 23, 2002     Subterranean Source - 'Vivid Circles'
November 12, 2002     Gruntsplatter - 'Chronicling the Famine'
February 4, 2003     Bastard Noise / Christian Renou collaboration>>




         


--part1_11f.1454cad8.2a7dda6a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 3 23:31:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08387; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 23:29:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 23:29:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.175.62.18] From: "DCLXVI 29a" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: JS-30 Help/Question Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 03:28:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2002 03:28:45.0289 (UTC) FILETIME=[09DC2D90:01C23B67] Resent-Message-ID: <7z7-8.A.qCC.L-JT9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have been listen to the demo tracks and I hear samples pitched not just tiggered. I can pitch sounds in edit mode but how do you use the internal sequencer to pitch a sample, to say make a bassline out of a bass. thanks, DCLXVI 29a _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 3 23:49:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09369; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 23:48:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 23:48:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020803214917.007e8d80@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 21:49:17 -0600 To: gt-6@yahoogroups.com, loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: OT: Gear Spam Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <-f3NMB.A.BSC.RQKT9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, -Sorry for the cross-post. -was just curious if anyone might be interested, I have a Roland MC-303 which is a really nice, All-in-one drum machine, sequencer, and synth module, with realtime control, and basic effects built in. I actually like it quite a bit, but need some very specific features that it doesn't have. So I need to consider selling it. *sigh* It's in mint condition, -I've only owned it for about three months. I'm asking $300 plus shipping if necessary, if anyone is interested, please contact me off-list... -Have a great evening! Smiles, CQ --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 4 03:29:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02232; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 03:28:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 03:28:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.170.194.104] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Ted Killian review at Bayimproviser Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 00:27:11 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2002 07:27:11.0253 (UTC) FILETIME=[58E10C50:01C23B88] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just stumbled upon a review of Ted Killian's CD at Bay Improviser, and figured I'd post it, since he's an LD member: Flux Aeterna Ted Killian electric guitar/electronics - pfMentum pfmentum Guitarists are a dime a dozen in the pop world, but when you go further out into exploration like Ted Killian, commonality is replaced with unique sound. Thus said, I was happy to receive this new CD from Ventura rebel label pfMentum. It's great to hear another voice in the world of experimental electric guitar done so well. Killian utilizes both his superb skills as a musician on electronics as well as guitar. He interfaces the two seamlessly to create a powerful and unique voice to the known fair we've come to expect from other players such as Nels Cline. This CD has made it quite clear that rock is not dead it just got cloned and reconstructed before it's original was gutted by the music industry. Killian creates a full musical adventure with ten cuts of thematic tunes ranging from rhythmic scream sessions to all out grooves digging deep into the history of the guitar. He even makes an interesting musical reference to a famous Jimi Hendrix performance one summer in the late sixties, and I would swear I hear some Sun Ra in there as well (though I may be tripping). What I love about the improvised scene growing throughout the world is the abolishment of specific styles that continue to eat away at the artistic status quo. I'd say if you have an open ear to electric guitar exploration with appreciation for the hard core, you'd want to get this one. Flux Aeterna is another nail in the coffin of pop sensibilities, and I thank Mr. Killian for that. (Reviewed by Rent Romus) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 4 03:49:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04476; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 03:48:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 03:48:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: guitarist Denis Taaffe third CD preview Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:44:33 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: guitarist Denis Taaffe third CD preview Thread-Index: AcI6xgt3rFJFCFcUS7uhrmVqVrtBfQAxeGPg From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2002 07:48:02.0721 (UTC) FILETIME=[42CFE910:01C23B8B] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id DAA04412 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi , Thanks for the comments and yeah Big cinematic guitar with loops is where its at!!! YEAH!!!!! I want to hear more form LD members!!! Denis Denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com/mp3.html -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] I like the drum machines too Denis! Sweet stuff. I can't help it if I'm a sucker for the big guitar loop extravaganza (I am one myself!) Check out Ted Killian's stuff, for BIG cinematic guitar. Keep up the good loops, Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 4 05:01:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19676; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:57:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:57:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00eb01c23b94$e447bb20$0101a8c0@o4z6b8> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: Subject: FS300 resistor values Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:56:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E8_01C23BA5.A5744BA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Messaggio in formato MIME composto da più parti. ------=_NextPart_000_00E8_01C23BA5.A5744BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all. I've been trying to find an FS300 here and , since I haven't = been able to, now I've decided to build a similar pedalboard from = scratch. I already have all the pieces, so all I need to know is the = value of the resistor wired to the footswitches. Has anyone of you their = specs? Peace Luigi ------=_NextPart_000_00E8_01C23BA5.A5744BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all. I've been trying to find an = FS300 here and=20 , since I haven't been able to, now I've decided to build a similar=20 pedalboard  from scratch. I already have all the pieces, so all I = need to=20 know is the value of the resistor wired to the footswitches. Has anyone = of you=20 their specs?
 
Peace
Luigi
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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C23B77.57822850-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 4 09:12:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06594; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:09:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:09:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: FS300 resistor values Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:10:08 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c23bb8$41c22920$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01C23B8E.58EC2120" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <00eb01c23b94$e447bb20$0101a8c0@o4z6b8> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C23B8E.58EC2120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You could also just order one from Digitech. M. Steven Ginn ******************************** Please go to Listen to the music. Purchase the CD Support the NY Firefighters 9/11 Relief Fund ******************************** -----Original Message----- From: Luigi Meloni [mailto:Luigimeloni74@libero.it] Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 3:57 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS300 resistor values Hi all. I've been trying to find an FS300 here and , since I haven't been able to, now I've decided to build a similar pedalboard from scratch. I already have all the pieces, so all I need to know is the value of the resistor wired to the footswitches. Has anyone of you their specs? Peace Luigi ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C23B8E.58EC2120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
You=20 could also just order one from Digitech.
 

M. Steven=20 Ginn

********************************
Please go to
<www.SeptemberRising.org>=20
Listen to the = music.
Purchase the CD
Support the NY Firefighters =
9/11 Relief = Fund=20
********************************

-----Original Message-----
From: = Luigi Meloni=20 [mailto:Luigimeloni74@libero.it]
Sent: Sunday, August 04, = 2002 3:57=20 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: FS300=20 resistor values

Hi all. I've been trying to find an = FS300 here=20 and , since I haven't been able to, now I've decided to build a = similar=20 pedalboard  from scratch. I already have all the pieces, so all I = need to=20 know is the value of the resistor wired to the footswitches. Has = anyone of you=20 their specs?
 
Peace
Luigi
------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C23B8E.58EC2120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 4 10:07:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09649; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:02:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:02:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c23bbf$8a1f61e0$0101a8c0@o4z6b8> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <002101c23bb8$41c22920$420e88cf@stevespc> Subject: Re: FS300 resistor values Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 16:02:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C23BD0.4D437CA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Messaggio in formato MIME composto da più parti. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C23BD0.4D437CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageThe Italian distributor of Digitech products told me that FS300 = is not produced anymore.Dunno. I couldn't find it on the Digitech = internet site, too. Peace Luigi ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M. Steven Ginn=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 3:10 PM Subject: RE: FS300 resistor values You could also just order one from Digitech. M. Steven Ginn=20 ********************************=20 Please go to=20 =20 Listen to the music.=20 Purchase the CD=20 Support the NY Firefighters=20 9/11 Relief Fund=20 ********************************=20 -----Original Message----- From: Luigi Meloni [mailto:Luigimeloni74@libero.it]=20 Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 3:57 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS300 resistor values Hi all. I've been trying to find an FS300 here and , since I haven't = been able to, now I've decided to build a similar pedalboard from = scratch. I already have all the pieces, so all I need to know is the = value of the resistor wired to the footswitches. Has anyone of you their = specs? Peace Luigi ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C23BD0.4D437CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
The Italian distributor of Digitech = products told=20 me that FS300 is not produced anymore.Dunno. I couldn't find it on = the=20 Digitech internet site, too.
 
Peace
Luigi
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M. = Steven Ginn=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 = 3:10=20 PM
Subject: RE: FS300 resistor = values

You=20 could also just order one from Digitech.
 

M. Steven = Ginn

********************************
Please go = to=20
<www.SeptemberRising.org>=20
Listen to = the=20 music.
Purchase the CD
Support the NY = Firefighters
9/11 Relief = Fund=20
********************************

-----Original Message-----
From: = Luigi Meloni=20 [mailto:Luigimeloni74@libero.it]
Sent: Sunday, August 04, = 2002=20 3:57 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 FS300 resistor values

Hi all. I've been trying to find an = FS300 here=20 and , since I haven't been able to, now I've decided to build a = similar=20 pedalboard  from scratch. I already have all the pieces, so all = I need=20 to know is the value of the resistor wired to the footswitches. Has = anyone=20 of you their specs?
 
Peace
Luigi
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C23BD0.4D437CA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 4 10:47:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11778; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:45:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:45:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: FS300 resistor values Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:45:25 -0500 Message-ID: <002b01c23bc5$9196cb10$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01C23B9B.A8C0C310" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <000b01c23bbf$8a1f61e0$0101a8c0@o4z6b8> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C23B9B.A8C0C310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They have them for sale on their outlet store site at: http://outlet.digitech.com/ M. Steven Ginn ******************************** Please go to Listen to the music. Purchase the CD Support the NY Firefighters 9/11 Relief Fund ******************************** -----Original Message----- From: Luigi Meloni [mailto:Luigimeloni74@libero.it] Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 9:02 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FS300 resistor values The Italian distributor of Digitech products told me that FS300 is not produced anymore.Dunno. I couldn't find it on the Digitech internet site, too. Peace Luigi ----- Original Message ----- From: M. Steven Ginn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 3:10 PM Subject: RE: FS300 resistor values You could also just order one from Digitech. M. Steven Ginn ******************************** Please go to Listen to the music. Purchase the CD Support the NY Firefighters 9/11 Relief Fund ******************************** -----Original Message----- From: Luigi Meloni [mailto:Luigimeloni74@libero.it] Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 3:57 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS300 resistor values Hi all. I've been trying to find an FS300 here and , since I haven't been able to, now I've decided to build a similar pedalboard from scratch. I already have all the pieces, so all I need to know is the value of the resistor wired to the footswitches. Has anyone of you their specs? Peace Luigi ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C23B9B.A8C0C310 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
They=20 have them for sale on their outlet store site at:
 
http://outlet.digitech.com/
 
M. Steven = Ginn

********************************
Please go to
<www.SeptemberRising.org>=20
Listen to the = music.
Purchase the CD
Support the NY Firefighters =
9/11 Relief = Fund=20
********************************

-----Original Message-----
From: = Luigi Meloni=20 [mailto:Luigimeloni74@libero.it]
Sent: Sunday, August 04, = 2002 9:02=20 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 FS300 resistor values

The Italian distributor of Digitech = products told=20 me that FS300 is not produced anymore.Dunno. I couldn't find it = on the=20 Digitech internet site, too.
 
Peace
Luigi
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M. = Steven=20 Ginn
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 = 3:10=20 PM
Subject: RE: FS300 resistor=20 values

You could also just order one from = Digitech.
 

M. = Steven=20 Ginn

********************************
Please go = to=20
<www.SeptemberRising.org>=20
Listen to = the=20 music.
Purchase the CD
Support the NY = Firefighters=20
9/11 = Relief=20 Fund
********************************

-----Original Message-----
From: = Luigi Meloni=20 [mailto:Luigimeloni74@libero.it]
Sent: Sunday, August = 04, 2002=20 3:57 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: FS300 = resistor=20 values

Hi all. I've been trying to find = an FS300=20 here and , since I haven't been able to, now I've decided to build = a=20 similar pedalboard  from scratch. I already have all the = pieces, so=20 all I need to know is the value of the resistor wired to the = footswitches.=20 Has anyone of you their specs?
 
Peace
Luigi
= ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C23B9B.A8C0C310-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 4 10:59:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12176; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:52:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:52:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c23bc6$751885e0$0101a8c0@o4z6b8> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <002b01c23bc5$9196cb10$420e88cf@stevespc> Subject: Re: FS300 resistor values Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 16:51:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C23BD7.38011E40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Messaggio in formato MIME composto da più parti. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C23BD7.38011E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageThanks ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M. Steven Ginn=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 4:45 PM Subject: RE: FS300 resistor values They have them for sale on their outlet store site at: http://outlet.digitech.com/ M. Steven Ginn=20 ********************************=20 Please go to=20 =20 Listen to the music.=20 Purchase the CD=20 Support the NY Firefighters=20 9/11 Relief Fund=20 ********************************=20 -----Original Message----- From: Luigi Meloni [mailto:Luigimeloni74@libero.it]=20 Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 9:02 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FS300 resistor values The Italian distributor of Digitech products told me that FS300 is = not produced anymore.Dunno. I couldn't find it on the Digitech internet = site, too. Peace Luigi ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M. Steven Ginn=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 3:10 PM Subject: RE: FS300 resistor values You could also just order one from Digitech. M. Steven Ginn=20 ********************************=20 Please go to=20 =20 Listen to the music.=20 Purchase the CD=20 Support the NY Firefighters=20 9/11 Relief Fund=20 ********************************=20 -----Original Message----- From: Luigi Meloni [mailto:Luigimeloni74@libero.it]=20 Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 3:57 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS300 resistor values Hi all. I've been trying to find an FS300 here and , since I = haven't been able to, now I've decided to build a similar pedalboard = from scratch. I already have all the pieces, so all I need to know is = the value of the resistor wired to the footswitches. Has anyone of you = their specs? Peace Luigi ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C23BD7.38011E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Thanks
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M. = Steven Ginn=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 = 4:45=20 PM
Subject: RE: FS300 resistor = values

They=20 have them for sale on their outlet store site at:
 
http://outlet.digitech.com/
 
M. = Steven=20 Ginn

********************************
Please go = to=20
<www.SeptemberRising.org>=20
Listen to = the=20 music.
Purchase the CD
Support the NY = Firefighters
9/11 Relief = Fund=20
********************************

-----Original Message-----
From: = Luigi Meloni=20 [mailto:Luigimeloni74@libero.it]
Sent: Sunday, August 04, = 2002=20 9:02 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Re: FS300 resistor values

The Italian distributor of Digitech = products=20 told me that FS300 is not produced anymore.Dunno. I couldn't = find it on=20 the Digitech internet site, too.
 
Peace
Luigi
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 M. = Steven=20 Ginn
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, August 04, = 2002 3:10=20 PM
Subject: RE: FS300 resistor = values

You could also just order one from = Digitech.
 

M. = Steven=20 Ginn

********************************
Please go = to=20
<www.SeptemberRising.org>=20
Listen = to the=20 music.
Purchase the CD
Support the NY = Firefighters=20
9/11 = Relief=20 Fund
********************************

-----Original = Message-----
From: Luigi=20 Meloni [mailto:Luigimeloni74@libero.it]
Sent: Sunday, = August=20 04, 2002 3:57 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: FS300 = resistor=20 values

Hi all. I've been trying to = find an FS300=20 here and , since I haven't been able to, now I've decided to = build a=20 similar pedalboard  from scratch. I already have all the = pieces, so=20 all I need to know is the value of the resistor wired to the=20 footswitches. Has anyone of you their specs?
 
Peace
Luigi
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C23BD7.38011E40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 4 11:33:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15438; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:31:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:31:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:31:06 -0400 Subject: Re: OT: Internet radio hope Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-775742699 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Doug Miller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000001c23bb2$03df79b0$6401a8c0@om> Message-Id: <318B214C-A7BF-11D6-B823-00306587FF4E@columbus.rr.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-775742699 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed But its one of the biggest wastes of bandwidth on the net... the biggest being any website I design. > Takes 2 secs and could help restore internet radio .......................................................................... . Doug Miller http://www.dispatch.com http://www.columbusnow.com http://www.1460thefan.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller --Apple-Mail-1-775742699 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII But its one of the biggest wastes of bandwidth on the net... the biggest being any website I design. ArialTakes 2 secs and could help restore internet radio Arial........................................................................... Arial BlackDoug MillerArial < http://www.dispatch.com http://www.columbusnow.com http://www.1460thefan.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller --Apple-Mail-1-775742699-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 4 11:56:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16427; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:49:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:49:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c23bcf$4033c980$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: Subject: New England Looping & GIG - UNDO - Cambridge, MA - Saturday Aug 10th Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:54:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0042_01C23BAD.B8CE3D20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C23BAD.B8CE3D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello New England Loopers - Is there any interest in my resuscitating The Loopers' Collective in the = New England area? You may remember in 1999 and 2000 I pulled together = these shows in the Boston and Providence area. I think we got up to TLC = VIII. Let me know. OK. Now my gig spam. Saturday August 10th, I'll be performing an evening of audio subterfuge = and sonic deception. At my side I'll have a batch of the first two UNDO = CD's (Neanderthalically, yet coyly, named "UN" & "DEUX") for sale, along = with a few "in-progress" UNDO CD's. Saturday, August 10th UNDO: 9:00 - 10:00 =20 Otto's Daughter (from NYC): 10:15 - 11:00 All The Queen's Men: 11:15 - 12:00 One of Us: 12:15 - 1:15 The Pond at the Hideaway Pub 20 Concord Lane, Cambridge, MA=20 617-661-5000=20 The Pond at the Hideaway Pub was voted by Improper Bostonian as the = hidden gem of the live music scene. Free Parking, accessible from = Alewife Brook Parkway T-Station (Red Line) - on a NIGHT OWL route = stopping at all RED LINE stations. Mapquest to The Hideaway Pub - 20 Concord Lane http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?zoom=3D7&mapdata=3DEifUonSP7c1BxWNbC= P753h49A6F6PG%2bily8SIoKfZszF%2fzkb4rlf0LeF5WBkP6FnXpvb%2bamgZWU7tEqTuaBJ= 5P9GOfrIWOixCC9YXwJTSjhC452%2b1XDeAF13R5L2zpj0%2f1udVU%2bwToXu%2bX43D0rQF= dSugkUMGOP1afG0o70nmlnwJ8MIL8NTEyUuh19eLehrKOS1vhCw9hwj8p91GsOCA4z6nLk%2f= kWKwJRzx7Yepow26ArQB8gX8%2bz5NBaTpe1X6LSp3hKwzYFToFBFr4WmiUx3%2bApGtT01bb= 2htRS8jYIiudtdXYE8fKdBQMsbseJSEqcP7OiIej3sdW%2bLSUMS3xGe0iJZz0uglfbJI4y%2= fzHpQ%3d ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C23BAD.B8CE3D20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello New England Loopers=20 -
 
Is there any interest in my resuscitating The Loopers' Collective = in the=20 New England area?   You may remember in 1999 and 2000 I pulled = together these shows in the Boston and Providence area.  I think we = got up=20 to TLC VIII.  Let me know.
 
OK. Now my gig spam.
 
Saturday August 10th, I'll be = performing an evening=20 of audio subterfuge and sonic deception.  At my side I'll have = a batch=20 of the first two UNDO CD's (Neanderthalically, yet coyly, named = "UN" &=20 "DEUX") for sale, along with a few "in-progress" UNDO CD's.
 
    =    =20 Saturday, August 10th
 
        UNDO: 9:00 -=20 10:00     
    &= nbsp;  =20 Otto's Daughter (from NYC): 10:15 -=20 11:00
        All The Queen's Men: = 11:15 -=20 12:00
        One of  Us: 12:15 -=20 1:15

        The Pond at the = Hideaway=20 Pub
        20 Concord Lane,=20 Cambridge, MA =
        617-661-5000=20
 
The Pond at the Hideaway Pub was voted = by Improper=20 Bostonian as the hidden gem of the live music scene.  Free Parking, accessible from Alewife Brook = Parkway T-Station=20 (Red Line) - on a NIGHT OWL route stopping at all RED LINE=20 stations.
 
Mapquest to The Hideaway Pub - 20 Concord=20 Lane

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------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C23BAD.B8CE3D20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 4 13:25:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24069; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:16:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:16:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.170.192.164] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, rumori@detritus.net Subject: (San Francisco Sat, 8/10) Field Effects 6 Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 10:15:41 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2002 17:15:42.0099 (UTC) FILETIME=[8FC88E30:01C23BDA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----------[ Quiet American presents at 964 Natoma ]-------------------- Field Effects 6: Far Afield Saturday, August 10th Doors 8pm, show 8:45pm 964 Natoma, San Francisco, CA USA $6-10 sliding, no one turned away for lack of funds ----> Event Description <---------------------------------------------- The world makes music, remember to listen. Field Effects 6 offers a night of field recording-based sound art. The sixth in a series of concerts showcasing artists using found materials, Field Effects 6 focuses on field recordings and song collected abroad: far afield.  You'll notice I said song: in a rare departure, we'll be serenaded with the unmediated voice. Field Effects 6 features work by artists:   audiofile collective (seattle)     Audiofile Collective is three people: Greyg Filastine, a     founding member of Infernal Noise Brigade and the media group     Post World Industries; Maga Bo, who currently lives in Rio,     Brazil, making and producing music; and Steven Miller, a     member of Gamelan Pacifica and a modern dance composer. All     three worked with !TchKung! for years. They'll be presenting     a collage of found sounds from the Indian subcontinent, both     unprocessed and heavily edited. http://www.infernalnoise.org http://www.postworldindustries.org http://www.smiller555.com   jessika kenney (seattle)     jessika kenney knows many songs. she is involved in long-term     collaborations with jarrad powell and gamelan pacifica, the     black cat orchestra, in the traditional and experimental music     of java & sumatra, street performance, and shadow puppetry. she     has performed with pena flamenco, ellen fullman's long stringed     instrument, robert jenkins (phantom empire), s.e. dewantoro in     solo, panacea for hirelings, death metal band pathos, on tv at     the national monument in jakarta, with the infernal noise     brigade, the sun city girls, eyvind kang and bakira, ad ad. she     is currently researching javanese macapat, singing with drones,     and working on music to be performed with stephen fandrichs     harmonic choir at gabriola island, british columbia at the end     of august.     jessika will sing us songs from indonesia: songs of love and     songs of violence. http://www.gamelanpacifica.org http://www.blackcatorchestra.com   thom blum (sf)     Thom will be presenting work from his 'audio postcard' series,     intricately wrought compositions made with field recordings     he made while traveling abroad.     Thom has been composing electroacoustic music since 1972, and     his works have been presented in concerts, festivals and radio     broadcasts internationally. He's co-founder of the International     Computer Music Association and has worked as software engineer     for LucasFilm/DroidWorks, a researcher & software architect for     Yamaha Music Technologies, and co-founder of Muscle Fish (an     audio signal processing & analysis software firm). He is     affiliated with the New San Francisco Tape Music Center, and     is a Lake Technology Artist. http://www.sfsound.org/tape.html http://www.laketechnology.com http://www.musclefish.com   ~ Post-Concert Listening Party ~     Your host Aaron Ximm and wife Bronwyn recently completed a     collaborative 38-minute audio reverie of their trek around     the Annapurna Circuit in central Nepal. After the show, we'll     be premiering it for anyone who would like to stay to listen. http://www.quietamerican.org/related_annapurna.html The Field Effects series showcases artists who are interested in framing the hidden beauty of the everyday world: beauty on the surface, awaiting our attention. Beauty that must be delicately extracted. And beauty in potential, awaiting juxtaposition, collage, repetition and mutilation. Seating mostly on futons to encourage comfortable deep listening. Hopefully we'll still have beanbags (courtesy of Blasthaus!). Depending on weather, hot or cold drinks will be available. Hopefully someone will make cookies again. ----> Venue Info <---------------------------------------------------- 964 Natoma San Francisco, CA, USA Between Mission and Howard, 10th and 11th street, south of market. A few blocks from Civic Center BART, or the corner of Market & Van Ness. Bike parking inside. ----> Additional Info <----------------------------------------------- ghede@well.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 4 16:50:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11056; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 16:47:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 16:47:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 13:49:01 -0700 From: andrew pask Subject: Hundreds of balloons In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.1.20020627095225.00a90c68@evenfall.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.5.3 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From my gig in Riverside last week. http://www.kaleidacousticon.com/music/soprano.mp3 I messed up and only recorded my part instead of the whole mix, I think there was some percussion going on. The basement room we were in had no aircon and was filled with balloons, or to be precise, people having a very full on balloon fight. It was so hot that John's computer kept shutting down and I couldn't see anything because of all the sweat in my eyes. Onward and upward...... Cheers Andrew From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 4 17:02:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13284; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:02:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:02:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:01:37 EDT Subject: Fwd: New Tibbetts CD! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_e6.2c0e148c.2a7ef031_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_e6.2c0e148c.2a7ef031_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/4/02 11:57:58 AM, frammis@frammis.com writes: << Hello everybody: Steve Tibbetts' new CD ("A Man About A Horse") is out now and available at most CD outlets. Those of you who pre-ordered should have already received your copies. Universal Music Group (ECM's distributor in the USA) has decided to push for a Grammy nomination. Those of you who are NARAS members, please vote for it in whatever category it comes up in (Rock Instrumental? Polka? Male vocalist?) You can read some of the reviews it's been getting at http://www.frammis.com/horse.htm. Copies of the new one (and all of Steve's CDs) are available from www.frammis.com Autographed copies can be requested up until August 9. Please put your autograph request in the "message" box on the Paypal screen. Cheers, Marta for Steve and Frammis Ent. Box 6164 Minneapolis, MN 55406 usa sales@frammis.com www.frammis.com >> --part1_e6.2c0e148c.2a7ef031_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-xg05.mx.aol.com (rly-xg05.mail.aol.com [172.20.115.202]) by air-xg02.mail.aol.com (v86_r1.16) with ESMTP id MAILINXG24-0804075758; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 07:57:58 -0400 Received: from dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.14]) by rly-xg05.mx.aol.com (v86_r1.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXG55-0804075706; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 07:57:06 -0400 Received: from [66.169.65.7] (HELO ci279309a) by dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 53847306; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 07:57:24 -0400 Message-ID: <005801c23bae$2d013f80$0741a942@ashvil1.nc.home> From: "Frammis Ent." To: Subject: New Tibbetts CD! Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 07:57:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0055_01C23B8C.A3489B60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C23B8C.A3489B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello everybody: Steve Tibbetts' new CD ("A Man About A Horse") is out now and available at m= ost CD outlets. Those of you who pre-ordered should have already received y= our copies.=20 Universal Music Group (ECM's distributor in the USA) has decided to push for= a Grammy nomination. Those of you who are NARAS members, please vote for i= t in whatever category it comes up in (Rock Instrumental? Polka? Male voca= list?) You can read some of the reviews it's been getting at http://www.frammis.com= /horse.htm. Copies of the new one (and all of Steve's CDs) are available from www.frammi= s.com Autographed copies can be requested up until August 9. Please put yo= ur autograph request in the "message" box on the Paypal screen. Cheers, Marta=20 for Steve and Frammis Ent. Box 6164 Minneapolis, MN 55406 usa sales@frammis.com www.frammis.com ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C23B8C.A3489B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hel= lo=20 everybody:

Steve Tibbetts' new CD ("A Man About A Horse") is out now=20= and=20 available at most CD outlets.  Those of you who pre-ordered should have= =20 already received your copies.

Universal Music Group (ECM's distribut= or=20 in the USA) has decided to push for a Grammy nomination.  Those of you=20= who=20 are NARAS members, please vote for it in whatever category it comes up in (R= ock=20 Instrumental?  Polka?  Male vocalist?)

You can read some of= the=20 reviews it's been getting at http://www.frammis.com/hors= e.htm.

Copies of= the new one (and all of Steve's CDs) are available=20 from  =20 Autographed copies can be requested up until August 9.  Please put your= =20 autograph request in the "message" box on the Paypal=20 screen.

Cheers,

Marta

for

Steve and
Frammis=20 Ent.
Box 6164
Minneapolis, MN 55406 usa
sales@frammis.c= om
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 ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C23B8C.A3489B60-- --part1_e6.2c0e148c.2a7ef031_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 4 21:18:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13332; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:16:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:16:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020804180721.0233b2e0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 18:17:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Midi Thru, EDP & Ecplise In-Reply-To: <000601c23b3f$0c61a720$420e88cf@stevespc> References: <000a01c23b19$f5b81ba0$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Steven- At 03:42 PM 8/3/2002, M. Steven Ginn wrote: >My Midi patchbay is full and I am wondering if the following will be a >suitable configuration for my Eclipse & EDP: > >Route Midi Out from MTP to Eclipse Midi In >Route Midi Thru from Eclipse to EDP Midi In >Route Midi Out from EDP to MTP Midi In maybe I'm missing something, but I think you are in danger of causing a midi loop with this configuration. anything the Echoplex sends out will come right back to it, right? that could be a problem sometimes. >What I am interested in know from a technical standpoint is whether or >not Midi Clock will be preserved for both units (and the rest of my rig) >and any other issues that I should be aware of. I just want to make >sure that if I am trying to control the EDP by sending midi messages via >the Eclipse Thru port, the EDP will not freak out (of course assuming I >have the proper midi channels set, etc.) I believe I want the EDP to be >my master Midi time keeper for my rig and I think this setup will allow >it. Any other suggestions, ideas would be appreciated. I think you would be better off doing: MTP out-> Echoplex in Echoplex out -> eclipse And if you need the Echoplex midi output to go anywhere else, connect the Eclipse through to the MTP in. Commands for the eclipse will pass through the Echoplex, and the Echoplex will be able to send clock to it. I assume there is no reason why the eclipse needs to send commands to the EDP. You need LoopIV for this to work actually, because the new MIDIPipe feature is perfect for this. It intelligently merges other MIDI input with anything that the Echoplex is sending and puts it to the output, while intelligently filtering anything on the MIDI in just intended for the Echoplex. This is great for flexible clock routing schemes like you seem to be trying to set up. You can easily have different devices serve as the clock master without having to rewire everything each time. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 4 21:19:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13747; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:18:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:18:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020805011837.11385.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:18:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: input/output within old oberheim vs. new To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wrote this to Jim offline and thought it might be of use to others considering changing the resistors for EDP input/output gain. Please let me know if you find errors or confusing statements: --------- Jim, First, I want to be sure of your tools. You say soldering 'gun'. There are soldering guns, and soldering irons. Guns are usually used for heavy duty solder, and have a trigger to turn the heat on. Irons, look like a pencil, smaller tip, always hot when plugged in. You want a soldering iron, with a pointed tip. 30 watts is probably in the right power range. Too much power and you can do damage. You need a solder sucker, a spring operated device with a piston, sort of like a hypodermic needle in reverse. This will be used to remove the solder from the OLD parts, so you can pull off the OLD resistors's leads from the PCBA. Radio shack or other ectronics parts houses carry them. You need fine to medium size (diameter) ROSIN core solder, NOT acid core. Rosin core soler is designed for electronics. Acid core will destroy your pcba, in time. Need sharp wire cutters to trim the new resistors legs after soldering in place. Needle nose pliers to shape the legs of the new resistors to fit the holes, and to remove the old resistors after solder removal. The main difficulty with soldering on a PCBA is that you can overheat the thin copper foil 'trace' that is on the surface of the pcba. The edp is what is called 'through hole' pcba and components. Where a component attaches to the pcba foil trace, there is a hole. The resistor (or other electronic part) is 'stuffed' through this hole, and then soldered. If you overheat the foil trace during removal of the old part, or soldering the new part, then the foil can 'lift' off the surface of the pcba. The trace will longer stick to the pcba surface, and will often tear up to the point on the trace where the trace is still stuck to the pcba. If this happens, you must repair the trace with a small piece of wire (to substitute for the trace). Keep your soldering iron tip clean and tinned at all times (or it won't conduct heat well). Use a flat metal file, or sandpaper or emery cloth to clean the tip down to clean copper, with a good point, then tin the tip with fresh rosin core solder. Wipe the tip on a wet sponge to remove excess solder from tinning, or to clean the tip again while working. http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html In order to replace a resistor on the EDP, you must dissasemble the EDP. I will try to step through this, but I may miss some detail, as I am not actually taking apart my edp as I describe this. MAKE SURE THE EDP HAS NO POWER CORD ATTACHED BEFORE YOU OPEN IT. BE SURE! 1. remove the top cover, there are 7 screws. Maybe different lengths, if so, pay attention to where the short ones belong. I suggest a multi compartment tray, or plastic bags to keep track of the parts you will remove. 1.5 First, inspect the parts that you think you want to upgrade. For the input and output gain modifications, it is R10 and R30 respectively. Locate these on the PCBA by reading the white silkscreened labels R10, R30. Visually, follow a line from the input jack on the back panel, towards the front panel. Before you visually reach the integrated circuit chips (Ul etc.) you will see R10. It is next to C16. R10 (iput gain) in the upgrade is 10 kilo ohms. 10kohms resistor, 1% tolerance is brown, black, black, red, brown (you may have to read it left to right, or right to left as resistors have no direction of installation for them). http://www.micro-ohm.com/colorcode/rescolor.html You can also measure the resistor in circuit with a digital multimeter (volt/ohm/miliameters), DVM. The 10 kohm resistor at R10 will read ABOUT 9.9 kohm in circuit with a DVM. If R10 is the OLD value, 2.21 kohms it will be red, red, brown, brown, brown. It will read ABOUT 2.2 kohm in circuit with a DVM. R30 location is 2 resistors to the right of R10, lined up with R10. R30 (input gain) new value is 22.1kohms which is red, red, brown, red, brown. It will read ABOUT 22 Kohm in circuit with a DVM R30 old value was 82.5 kohm which is grey, red, green, red, brown. This resistor will read ABOUT 68 kohm in circuit. You do not need to proceed if you already have the upgraded values of resistors. 2. remove all the 7 nuts on the backpanel jacks. 3. Remove the 2 screws attaching the ac power socket to the back panel. 4. If you have the old voltage regulators, you will see a metal rectangular block (heatsink) inside the back panel, between the inside back panel, and connected to 2 transistor like devices (2 voltage regualtors). This will be between the 'brothersync' jack on the back panel, and the 'ac voltage selector' switch on the back panel. 1 screw attaches the rectangular metal heatsink block to the back panel. There is a white heat conducting (but electrically insulating) grease between the heatsink and the inside back panel. It is messy and gooey, try not to get it all over you. Try to save it for when you reassemble. If there is no metal rectangular heatsink inside the back panel, then you have the new voltage regulator, that is NOT attached to the back panel. I strongly recommend the new voltage regular as it runs MUCH cooler than the old ones. 5. remove the 4 screws that hold the PCBA assembly to the bottom of the black chassis. There are 3 screws across the front edge of the pcba, and 1 near the ac power input jack. 6. remove the 4 screws that hold the white front panel to the rest of the black chassis. 7. Unless I missed a screw, the whole assembly of front panel, connected by ribbon cables to the main pcba assembly, should slide out the front or can be lifted away from the black chassis. BE CAREFUL to NOT STRESS THE RIBBON CABLES. Wires can break when bent back and forth too much. You do not want to have to repair or replace one of these ribbon cables. 8. Looking at the top of the pcba, locate the resistors that you inspected before, R10, R30. You now must identify the resistor locations on the BOTTOM of the PCBA assembly. As I recall, there are no silkscreen labels here, so this can be a bit tricky. Take you time, be sure you match the right leads to the right resistor. There are several ways to remove the old resistors. One way, if you don't mind destroying the old resistors, is to clip the resistor's leads on the TOP of the PCBA, where you can See the silkscreen label. You then can heat the remainder of the resistor's leads (from the top or Bottom of the PCBA) with the soldering iron, and pull them out while hot using the needle nose pliers. Then you must remove the remaining solder from the through holes where the legs of the new resistor will fit. Use the solder sucker to do this. First, Cock the solder sucker, so it is ready to suck. Heat the pad and hole and remaining solder until melted, and while melted place the tip of the solder sucker on the hole, and activate the sucker. It should slurp the liquid solder into the sucker. You may have to repeat this until the hole is cleared of solder. You can also use 'solder wick', but I find this is not as easy to use as a solder sucker. Also, I usually modify the tip of the solder sucker so that I can place BOTH the tip of the soldering iron, AND the tip of the sucker on the through hole AT THE SAME TIME. This modification to the tip of the sucker is just a narrow indention cut or melted into the edge of the sucker tip, Right at the front opening. It is hard to describe. After much usage, the solder sucker needs to be cleaned to remove the solder from the chamber. The tip can also clog, reducing the sucking action. DON"T OVERHEAT THE PADS OR THROUGH HOLES OR IT CAN LIFT THE PAD AND TRACES FROM THE PCBA substrate. When the hole is clean and open, you need to bend the new resistors leads at right angles to the resistor body, so that they can be inserted into the trough holes. Insert the resistor leads into the open through holes. Push or pull the resistor flush with the PCBA surface. On the BOTTOM of the PCBA assembly you will see the long, unsoldered leads of the new resistor. From the Bottom of the PCBA, position the iron tip so that it is in contact with BOTH the resistor Lead, AND the pcba pad/through hole. Apply rosin core solder to the hot pad/lead, feed enough solder to fill the through hole, and form a SLIGHT meniscus of solder on the resistor lead. Inspect the TOP of the pcba to insure that the solder wicked well. If not, reapply heat to either the top or bottom of the resistor lead/through hole and feed a bit more solder. You don't want to see Balls of excess solder, just a good, wet coverage of the pad and lead. MAKE SURE that no excess solder creates a circuit path or bridge to other pads or traces as this will cause malfunction. TRIM the excess lead from the BOTTOM of the PCBA assembly for R10 so that the leads CANNOT short out on the bottom chassis. Trim the leads to the approximate lenght of all the other resistors on the PCBA. Repeat process of removal, cleaning hole, soldering for R30. Visually inspect your work again to insure a good, wet solder job, and no shorts from excess solder, and that you cut the excess resistor leads short enough. Reassemble in reverse order. Test, debug, repair as required. I think this is pretty complete, but since I have not followed exactly what I typed I cannot say there are no errors. Please write if you have questions or comments. regards, bret --- JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net wrote: > bret- > > i've done plenty of cable soldering, so i'm pretty > handy with a soldering gun but i've never worked on a > pcb. > > i've got a 30-watt gun and some 60/40 solder. if i > get in there and think i might do more damage than > good, i'll back out. that having been said, if you > could give me a walkthrough, i'd appreciate it. > > -jim > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 4 22:42:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22505; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:41:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:41:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020804193600.0355f6b0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 19:42:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: LoopIV: Saving Presets Via SysX In-Reply-To: <000001c220e0$23347a00$cdd6f343@gary> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This post from Gary was from a long time ago, but Claude Voit has created a nice Echoplex editor for Emagic's SoundDiver program. It fully controls all of the Sysex functionality now in LoopIV. You can edit individual parameters, upload/download individual presets, or upload/download all presets at once. I finally got around to putting it on the Looper's Delight web pages, you can find it linked from the Echoplex section: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html it will probably save you a lot of time over trying to learn to use sysex.... At 02:17 AM 7/1/2002, Gary Lehmann wrote: >A question: >I am using Cakewalk 9 as a sysx librarian. It would seem that the Echoplex >Digital Pro needs a Dump Request Macro to initiate the dump of the presets. >Has anyone written one of these? I don't know if anybody has created a Cakewalk editor. If somebody does, let me know and I'll be happy to put that on the LD site as well. >I tried to decipher Chapter 9 of the Loop IV manual but I guess I'm not as >smart as I thought I was--I can't make heads or tails of it. Is it possible >to dump single presets and load them in one at a time? yes it is, on the fly. also individual parameters can be edited this way. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 4 22:51:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23335; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:51:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:51:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c23c2a$b0baa470$472d93d4@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020804193600.0355f6b0@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: LoopIV: Saving Presets Via SysX Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 04:49:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cant find it on the page but its 4h 48 in the morning should go to sleep now Claude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 4:42 AM Subject: Re: LoopIV: Saving Presets Via SysX > This post from Gary was from a long time ago, but Claude Voit has created a > nice Echoplex editor for Emagic's SoundDiver program. It fully controls all > of the Sysex functionality now in LoopIV. You can edit individual > parameters, upload/download individual presets, or upload/download all > presets at once. > > I finally got around to putting it on the Looper's Delight web pages, you > can find it linked from the Echoplex section: > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html > > it will probably save you a lot of time over trying to learn to use sysex.... > > At 02:17 AM 7/1/2002, Gary Lehmann wrote: > >A question: > >I am using Cakewalk 9 as a sysx librarian. It would seem that the Echoplex > >Digital Pro needs a Dump Request Macro to initiate the dump of the presets. > >Has anyone written one of these? > > I don't know if anybody has created a Cakewalk editor. If somebody does, > let me know and I'll be happy to put that on the LD site as well. > > >I tried to decipher Chapter 9 of the Loop IV manual but I guess I'm not as > >smart as I thought I was--I can't make heads or tails of it. Is it possible > >to dump single presets and load them in one at a time? > > yes it is, on the fly. also individual parameters can be edited this way. > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 4 23:18:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27046; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 23:17:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 23:17:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020804201836.0309ce08@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 20:19:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: LoopIV: Saving Presets Via SysX In-Reply-To: <002501c23c2a$b0baa470$472d93d4@black> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020804193600.0355f6b0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 8th thing down the list. maybe try refreshing your browser.... kim At 07:49 PM 8/4/2002, Claude Voit wrote: >Cant find it on the page but its 4h 48 in the morning > >should go to sleep > >now > >Claude >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kim Flint" >To: >Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 4:42 AM >Subject: Re: LoopIV: Saving Presets Via SysX > > > > This post from Gary was from a long time ago, but Claude Voit has > created a > > nice Echoplex editor for Emagic's SoundDiver program. It fully controls > all > > of the Sysex functionality now in LoopIV. You can edit individual > > parameters, upload/download individual presets, or upload/download all > > presets at once. > > > > I finally got around to putting it on the Looper's Delight web pages, you > > can find it linked from the Echoplex section: > > > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html > > > > it will probably save you a lot of time over trying to learn to use > sysex.... > > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 5 01:39:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08307; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:37:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:37:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D4E0E44.CBD2F59E@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 22:33:56 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Los Angeles Gig Spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello list, Back in the ring to take another swing: Sunday, August 11th, 2002 10:00 PM The Crooked Bar 8121 Sunset Blvd (corner of Sunset and Laurel Canyon) Cover is $5 if you bring a flyer or you're on the discount list, which I'm happy to put you on if you email with your name ahead of time. Or download the flyer from here: http://www.altruistmusic.com/images/crooked.jpg This'll be a solo Turntablist Guitar show; I might even approach it continuous mix style... haven't decided yet. It may very well sound like this: http://www.altruistmusic.com/archive/latest.html Most best, --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 5 02:01:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11767; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:01:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:01:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020804195420.03813008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 23:03:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Learning How to use the EDP? In-Reply-To: <012301c22a88$d00f7cf0$420e88cf@stevespc> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020712200444.021edf50@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another post that I'm finally getting around to answering: At 09:17 AM 7/13/2002, M. Steven Ginn wrote: >Thanks for the insights into using the EDP. Trying to decide how I will >use the EDP can at least provide a starting point. I guess I was >thinking I had to have a good understanding of all the different >combinations of parameters first so that I would know which combination >would work best for what I want to do. Sort of putting the cart before >the horse. right, if you tried to understand everything before you started, you would never start. Start simply, and grow with it. I would suggest you start with the "getting started" section of the manual, which walks you through some basic functions. You don't need to worry about parameters when you begin. We set the defaults to be what we think is a good place to start learning the echoplex, so new users don't have to fool around with it, they can just start into looping. Later you can figure out which parameters matter to you. Another good place to start is on the Looper's Delight pages. There is a nice "getting started" tutorial in the Tips section, written by Matthias. It was originally written for the old Paradis Loop/Delay, and updated a bit for the Echoplex. Probably a lot of it applies to looping in general and fits for any looper: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tips/Plhints.html Then there is Andre's new tutorial: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP/ and in general, all of these things are linked from the echoplex section of looper's delight, where there are more tutorials and such: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html as well as the tips section: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tips/tips.html >As for potential uses of the EDP, initially my thought was to create >pad/drone textures which I could play over. One example of a very basic >use would be when I play a bagpipes where I start a loop of one or >several notes for the drone and then I play the chanter on my EWI over >it. I can do this with my WX5 playing a single drone note, but felt the >EDP would allow me to not only play my EWI (which doesn't have the same >note hold feature of the WX5) but also create multiple note/chordal >drones. yes, that is a very straightforward thing to do. Just working with the Record and Overdub functions and the default parameter settings is a good place to begin. you can probably do basically what you want just right there. Multiply might also be useful, so you can have a shorter loop repeating several times under a longer repeating section. that can give some more depth and variety to a texture loop, so it isn't just one short loop repeating endlessly. The nice thing about using Overdub and Multiply is they are very easy to use fluidly while you are otherwise playing, without requiring a lot of tap dancing to operate them. The Echoplex does most of the work, so you can continuously play and very quickly create a complex loop in real-time without much effort. A nice feature of the Echoplex is you don't necessarily have to end one command to start another. when you are Recording for example, you can end the Record by pressing Overdub or Multiply, which stops the recording, begins looping what you have, and turns on the new function in one button press. This makes it very easy to move fluidly into a new function and begin overdubbing without any breaks. Once you have the basic idea of using Multiply, one parameter you might want to experiment with in conjunction with Multiply is called RoundMode. This determines whether the Echoplex continues adding new material to the Loop after you have tapped Multiply the second time and it is rounding off the loop to the next cycle. The default is "off", meaning it does not add anything new that you play as it rounds off. This is how Matthias likes it since he plays very intuitively and just wants to know that anything he plays in between the taps is added as a longer loop, without focusing much on which multiple he is on or where in the cycle he is. On the other hand, I tend to think rather metrically while I play, and I like to know exactly which measure I'm in and what beat. I find it very useful that I can do the second multiply tap somewhere before the end of the measure while I am still playing, and the echoplex will neatly round off to the end of the measure and capture everything I play up to that exact point. So I put RoundMode = rnd. From there you may want to explore controlling feedback, which is a very important tool for evolving loops from one place to another. Feedback is very useful with drone type loops, in conjunction with Overdub. there is a ton of discussion about using feedback for looping on the site and in the archives, so I suggest you look there to learn more. For textural drone type stuff, I would imagine reverse and half speed are more interesting functions than insert. You might want to use the parameter called InsertMode to convert the insert button into one of those. >I also really like a lot of what Jean Luc Ponty has done with >violin and looping from a rhythmic standpoint. Also, I am not sure how >I might use the EDP with my sax but maybe there might be some for it as >well. For rhythmically oriented stuff I find I like to use the parameter called quantize in order to keep things tight. With quantize any function you do will be automatically lined up with a rhythmically oriented spot in the loop. You might also find that Insert is a useful function rhythmically, as well as replace and substitute. Using multiple loops is also useful to create song structures, where you have different loops for different song section and switch between them. The best thing you can do is just try the different functions to get a feel for what they do. Then think of what you actually want to do, and figure out what is going to get you there. >As for audio routing, I am currently bringing everything into an Event >Ezbus which gives me a lot of flexibility for my routing. However, with >only one effects processor (Eventide Eclipse) I have been going back and >forth between deciding to use it during the creation of the loops on the >EDP or processing the loops after the EDP. I could actually see how >nice it would be to select a preset on the Eclipse to process my loop >creation and then change the routing and select another preset on the >Eclipse that will process my overall sound and my solo playing over >whats going on in the loop. But doing this all on the fly during a live >gig is where it gets complicated. that sounds complicated to me. I wouldn't bother with all the configurable routing nightmare, I would just get two loopers and put one before the effects and one after. (or two effects devices, one on either side of the looper.) I usually find it more interesting to put the effects first, so I can have completely different flavors of things in one loop. If you build complicated loops and run it all through one effect you'll probably have a recipe for mud. It depends on what you want to do of course. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 5 05:32:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA32262; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 05:31:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 05:31:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Briscoe23@aol.com Message-ID: <152.11f23980.2a7f9fad@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 05:30:21 EDT Subject: Birmingham, AL Gig Introduction To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_152.11f23980.2a7f9fad_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10513 Resent-Message-ID: <5ARWlC.A.R3H.IXkT9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_152.11f23980.2a7f9fad_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Y'all, I send out a weekly enewsletter, and here's the latest. Unfortunately most folks around here don't really care about looping, so I didn't mention it in the following email, but I use a DL-4 with expression pedal pretty extensively in my power trio, mostly to build quick loops for ambiance, and with the pedal, I simply fade them in or out. Oh, and I play with drummer Chris Fryar of Oteil Burbridge and the Peacemakers. You may know of Oteil from the Allman Brothers Band, or the Aquarium Rescue Unit, or Government Mule, anywhoo that's my story, I know a guy who knows a guy, and here's my email: Hi gang!, Justin Sable Fobes here! My new album, TUESDAY NIGHT LIVE FROM THE OASIS! Is currently in the production phase, which means that you'll be famous. That's right, you read it here first. You're welcome. WHAT? Having fun will get you everywhere, it will even get you on this CD! Just show up Tuesday night August 6th, at the Oasis Bar (2807 7th Ave. S. 205-323-5538) between 8:00pm and 10:30pm and get loud! It's our second live recording session for this fantastic project! Bring friends, but you won't really need them, because the good ones will already be there! Drink specials are the norm, as well as extremely fine bartenders, I know this, because I did all of the necessary research ahead of time . . . The Suburban Love Junkies will be playing after us from 11:00pm -- till. Shout Out To Jimmy and Eric! Guys, there will be beautiful girls dancing slutty! Girls, there will be rich good looking fellas, I know this, because I also happen to be one of them . . . So come out and love on yourself a little bit, you deserve it! We are already accepting pre-orders for the CD TUESDAY NIGHT LIVE FROM THE OASIS! At an unbelievably low Internet discount of only $9.99! This offer is only available through the Internet for you, our mailing list buds, so do yourself a favor and order early! At a savings of $4.99, you'd have to be one poor money manager to pass on this! All you have to do is reply to this email, or send a personal Check or Money Order made out to: JUSTIN SABLE FOBES 1089 MACQUEEN CIRCLE HELENA, AL 35080 Lick Skillet, AL is getting too hot to touch, we've set the place a sizzlin' with our studio recordings of the tunes Stop, Drop, and Roll, It's Too Much, and Rain Falls Down. This is the awesomest project I've ever been involved in thanks to Joe Lawrence, Brandon Peeples, and Chris Fryar. This stuff will be radio ready and ear friendly, so be prepping for a real good listen. . . Special thanks to Ashley Braswell and all who helped to make the McGill-To olen Class of '92 10 Year Reunion a spectacular event! Whoo-hoo! I'm way looking forward to 15! As usual, if you have any suggestions, or if you'd like to be removed, just reply to this email, but don't forget to shout on Tuesday, it will make you widely and popularly known, so get out, and get heard on TUESDAY NIGHT LIVE FROM THE OASIS! -JUSTIN SABLE FOBES --part1_152.11f23980.2a7f9fad_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Y'all,

I send out a weekly enewsletter, and here's the latest.  Unfortunately most folks around here don't really care about looping, so I didn't mention it in the following email, but I use a DL-4 with expression pedal pretty extensively in my power trio, mostly to build quick loops for ambiance, and with the pedal, I simply fade them in or out.  Oh, and I play with drummer Chris Fryar of Oteil Burbridge and the Peacemakers.  You may know of Oteil from the Allman Brothers Band, or the Aquarium Rescue Unit, or Government Mule, anywhoo that's my story, I know a guy who knows a guy, and here's my email:

Hi gang!,

Justin Sable Fobes here!   
My new album, TUESDAY NIGHT LIVE FROM THE OASIS!  Is currently in the production phase, which means that you'll be famous. 

That's right, you read it here first. 

You're welcome.












WHAT?









Having fun will get you everywhere, it will even get you on this CD!  Just show up Tuesday night August 6th, at the Oasis Bar (2807 7th Ave. S. 205-323-5538) between 8:00pm and 10:30pm and get loud!  It's our second live recording session for this fantastic project!  Bring friends, but you won't really need them, because the good ones will already be there!  Drink specials are the norm, as well as extremely fine bartenders, I know this, because I did all of the necessary research ahead of time . . .

The Suburban Love Junkies will be playing after us from 11:00pm -- till.  Shout Out To Jimmy and Eric! 

Guys, there will be beautiful girls dancing slutty!

Girls, there will be rich good looking fellas, I know this, because I also happen to be one of them . . .

So come out and love on yourself a little bit, you deserve it! 

We are already accepting pre-orders for the CD TUESDAY NIGHT LIVE FROM THE OASIS! At an unbelievably low Internet discount of only $9.99!  This offer is only available through the Internet for you, our mailing list buds, so do yourself a favor and order early!  At a savings of $4.99, you'd have to be one poor money manager to pass on this!  All you have to do is reply to this email, or send a personal Check or Money Order made out to:

JUSTIN SABLE FOBES
1089 MACQUEEN CIRCLE
HELENA, AL 35080 


Lick Skillet, AL is getting too hot to touch, we've set the place a sizzlin' with our studio recordings of the tunes Stop, Drop, and Roll, It's Too Much, and Rain Falls Down.  This is the awesomest project I've ever been involved in thanks to Joe Lawrence, Brandon Peeples, and Chris Fryar.  This stuff will be radio ready and ear friendly, so be prepping for a real good listen. . .     

Special thanks to Ashley Braswell and all who helped to make the McGill-Toolen Class of '92 10 Year Reunion a spectacular event!  Whoo-hoo!  I'm way looking forward to 15!  As usual, if you have any suggestions, or if you'd like to be removed, just reply to this email, but don't forget to shout on Tuesday, it will make you widely and popularly known, so get out, and get heard on TUESDAY NIGHT LIVE FROM THE OASIS!

-JUSTIN SABLE FOBES





 --part1_152.11f23980.2a7f9fad_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 5 13:57:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16009; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:56:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:56:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D4EBCB9.E5F2A962@friendlyspider.com> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 12:58:32 -0500 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MC-09 gear review anybody? References: <3D4E0E44.CBD2F59E@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why Roland doesn't make their manuals available for download....errrrrgh ?!?! Has anybody checked out the Roland Phrase Sampler, MC-09 ? I can't even find out if it syncs to MIDI clock, has a built in sequencer (not just a pattern editor, but the ability to program a song), and if it responds to program change or other MIDI commands for loading and playing new loops..... 6 seconds loop time isn't much...but for creating backing live drum patterns quickly on the fly, it might be cool....though Zoom should come out with one for under $200.... (why haven't they entered the loop market? ...with their smart media recorder so affordable) -- gary @friendlyspider.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 5 14:32:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20453; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:32:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:32:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: active studio monitors From: Jeffrey Lomas To: LD Mailing list Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8.99 Date: 05 Aug 2002 10:28:15 -0400 Message-Id: <1028557704.19787.307.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone have a recommendation for active studio monitor that have a great range and a reasonable price? Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 5 15:10:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24955; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:09:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:09:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: LoopIV: Saving Presets Via SysX Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:55:18 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020804193600.0355f6b0@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sweet! Thank you Claude! > This post from Gary was from a long time ago, but Claude Voit has > created a > nice Echoplex editor for Emagic's SoundDiver program. It fully > controls all > of the Sysex functionality now in LoopIV. You can edit individual > parameters, upload/download individual presets, or upload/download all > presets at once. > > I finally got around to putting it on the Looper's Delight web pages, you > can find it linked from the Echoplex section: > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html > > it will probably save you a lot of time over trying to learn to > use sysex.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 5 15:53:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29714; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:52:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:52:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020803011543.00b8a1b0@pop.charter.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020803011543.00b8a1b0@pop.charter.net> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:54:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Substitute as EDP Resample? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1_QIqB.A.YOH.sdtT9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >It just occurred to me that the new Substitute Insert Mode in EDP >LoopIV could be used to resample loops. Since Substitute allows you >to play back your original loop while you're replacing it, you can >feed the EDP's output through other processing, tweak it, and feed >it back to the input to resample it. This could be nice if you >wanted to permanently change your loop without tying up a processor, >i.e. to use EQ Killer or to record a filter sweep or otherwise >mangle the loop in a serial fashion (parallel processing can simply >be overdubbed). > >-Hans Thats right, I did not think of that... Problem may be that you still have the external feedback loop when you are in other states like Overdub, where the internal feedback is also active and both together will create a big feedback that probably makes the loop grow. You can also simply close the FB button and use the external FB loop in all states. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 5 15:53:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29771; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:52:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:52:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:54:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Loopfest pics (Finally!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hey kids, > >I finally fixed the broken links, and changed the header to >Loopfest, not loopstock. I had been using an old template I used to >post the loopstock pics and just forgot to change it. I know it >still says Loopstock on the individual image pages, but I'm not >going in and changing all those pages! > >http://www.zerocrossing.net/y2k2loopfest/photos/index.htm thank you... quite an emotion to see those faces I met and liked at Loopstock... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 5 15:53:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29773; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:52:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:52:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7a.2aa68550.2a7981ff@aol.com> References: <7a.2aa68550.2a7981ff@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:54:07 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: pcm42 sync out ? Cc: GarySHall@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com DT reminded of the PCM42 qualities: >4) a 'clock' output, w/some user-selectable subdivisors. do you use that to sync with the EDP? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 5 15:57:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30819; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:56:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:56:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:58:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Repeaters Clock out Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There has been some talk about the problems of Repeaters MIDIclock out to drive various units. But I could not see the problem I experenced with EDP slaved to it. I had it the first time when I jammed with Tim in Oakland and now, here in Switzerland I am jamming again with a Repeater user and we have the same misterious problem: Sometimes the clock coming out of the Repeter is way out of time. It seems to depend on what measures the Repeater recognizes and then sends out clocks accordingly. But all we want is to record a loop on the Repeater and be sure that we get a straight clock to slave the EDP to it. Is there a parameter we should use to fix this? Are there manipulations on the Repeater that makes it invent those strange clock divisions? thank you Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 5 16:39:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04028; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:38:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:38:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Nathan Bannow" To: Subject: RE: Repeaters Clock out Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:37:41 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8hZMvD.A.B-.xIuT9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Are there manipulations on the Repeater that makes it invent those strange clock divisions?" Don't know about straight clock to the edp... but to the Mo-Fx I have experience. Here is the setup. Basic loop recorded, tempo locked, and playing back. Mo-Fx - Only delay engaged, synched to MIDI Using the momentary buttons on the Mo-Fx, along with the feedback dial (starting at 0, then snapping to 100%) I capture the loop into the Mo-Fx, then let Mo-Fx stand alone looping, but still synched to Repeaters clock (still playing) This loop will go along fine for 5 iterations or so, then there will be a glitch. Kind of like when you switch the speed of the delay in mid-playback. This glitch is caused by the Repeater's clock not being "solid" enough ...that is all I know My take on it is that the clock can be trusted for an aproximate 10 seconds widows of critical time. After that, it gets iffy. -Nathan .-. .-. .-. / \ / \ .-. / \ .-. .-. / \ --/-----\-----/---\----N-a-t-h-a-n---@---G-i-z-a-.-c-o-m------/-------\ / \ / \ / \ / '-' \ / \ '-' \ / '-' \ / \ / \ / '-' '-' From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 5 16:44:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04856; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:44:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:44:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c23cc0$cc4ed120$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeaters Clock out Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:43:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not that I know of- 1 thing that helps is to make sure the BPM on Rptr is a whole number- no 96.1 etc make it 96.0- helps a little- and if you need to record new loops on Rptr while keeping tempo ABSOLOUTE you will need to engage and turn down the click track- don't ask me why but doing this locks the tempo from adjusting after recording- why "Tempo Lock" does not do this I do not know- Cliff > "Are there manipulations on the Repeater that makes it invent those > strange clock divisions?" > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 5 16:48:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05276; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:47:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:47:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c23cc1$3e873c00$0101a8c0@o4z6b8> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <1028557704.19787.307.camel@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Re: active studio monitors Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 22:46:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jeffrey. Currently I'm using a pair of Alesis Monitor One Active MKII. These are Bi-amplified nearfield monitors. I really love the sound of the two, and they are also cheap. I have used the Mackie 824, but I really felt something strange about their sound (almost the same with their Behringer clones, even if I liked them more). The Alesis sound almost the same as the passive 2500 $ Tannoy midfield monitors that I used to use in the studio I worked in, plus they are also not that heavy - great detail and really balanced sound. Currently I record, mix and master on them. I couple them with a SSI C-1500 surround system (with internal bbe processor) and a Technics 530 power-amp with NS10M and a pair of three way boom-boxes, so that I can A/B/C all my mixes and recordings, and I must say that I really love the Monitor One. Peace Luigi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Lomas" To: "LD Mailing list" Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 4:28 PM Subject: active studio monitors > Anyone have a recommendation for active studio monitor that have a great > range and a reasonable price? > > Thanks, > Jeff > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 5 16:48:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05315; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:48:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:48:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeaters Clock out Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:49:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2002 20:47:27.0398 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F251460:01C23CC1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > But all we want is to record a loop on the Repeater and be sure that > we get a straight clock to slave the EDP to it. > Is there a parameter we should use to fix this? Matthias- It sounds like you are asking for some sort of "8ths/cycle" adjustment on the repeater. I believe there is a way to adjust the time signature and number of measures per loop on the repeater which is similar to 8ths/cycle. I don't use it, so I don't know exactly how it works - maybe someone else can post on that. I also don't know if you can change it once the loop is running without it automatically adjusting the tempo somehow. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 5 16:54:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06281; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:53:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:53:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c23cc2$413f1390$e3981cd5@hyeena> From: "Jukka Andersson" To: References: <1028557704.19787.307.camel@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Re: active studio monitors Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 23:54:11 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are not afraid name Behringer, they have very good Genelec 1030A replicas dont remember the model.. Another is Tannoy Reveal Active but If I had a chance I would take a Behringer for a drive. I have used Genelecs and I like those but I own Reveals which are also very good. Perhaps I like Reveals littlebit more that Genelecs but if Behringer comes even close to Genelec they are really great for price. There is pretty big bass in those speakers but also there is good active crossovers for adjustments to fix frequency response to used enviroment. .jukka rihmasto.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Lomas" To: "LD Mailing list" Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 5:28 PM Subject: active studio monitors > Anyone have a recommendation for active studio monitor that have a great > range and a reasonable price? > > Thanks, > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 5 16:57:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06779; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:56:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:56:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <002f01c23cc0$cc4ed120$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> Subject: analyse repeater's clock; was Re: Repeaters Clock out Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:57:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2002 20:55:46.0647 (UTC) FILETIME=[78B86E70:01C23CC2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have been thinking for a long time now to put this unstable clock issue to rest by analyzing the midi clock output of the repeater on an oscilloscope here at work. Only problem is that it could be a little tedious to manually measure each clock pulse to collect data. Has anyone done this and gotten real data for the stability (jitter, drift, ect) of the midi-clock? Also it would be interesting to see if certain conditions improve or harm the stability. Is there a way to analyze this somehow in software - for example just record the midi stream with accurate timestamps on each clock signal, then use excel for some basic calculations. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 5 17:46:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12322; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:46:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:46:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D4EF1E8.8819C4A5@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 14:45:12 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Oakland CA gig spam [Fwd: This week at 21 Grand] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------DDAA398BB78F60C8140F0BE0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------DDAA398BB78F60C8140F0BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, scroll down to the bottom for info on Matt's Oakland Looping Festival. I can't wait! Mark --------------DDAA398BB78F60C8140F0BE0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <21grand@onebox.com> Delivered-To: sine@sack.dreamhost.com Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.101]) by sack.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4D013E263 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [67.119.193.4] (adsl-67-119-193-4.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.119.193.4]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g75IT74290520; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:29:07 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 11:38:32 -0700 Subject: This week at 21 Grand From: Sarah Lockhart <21grand@onebox.com> To: 21 Grand Imagineers <21grand@onebox.com> Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Greetings, 21 Grand is recovering from the Accordion Festival and its unexpectedly whopping turn-out. For those of you who missed it, several of the performers will be returning (including Jason Webley) on Wednesday, September 25. Experimental folks that we are here at 21 Grand, I'm trying a new thing here on the weekly e-mail, the "tease and link," so that the missives aren't as long. Let me know whether you prefer this method or the old "scrolling through large text blocks". Sarah 21 Grand is a multi-disciplinary arts space located at 449B 23rd St. (between Broadway and Telegraph) in Oakland. 21grand@onebox.com (510) 444-7263 Friday, August 9 Emergency String Quintet CD Release + Rev.99 8PM $5-10 Emergency String Quintet Jeff Hobbs, Kevin Van Yserloo, violins Jonathan Fretheim, viola Bob Marsh, cello Damon Smith, bass Public Eyesore cd(r) release event: "On the Corner (Market and Sixth)". Rev.99 Rev.99 establishes environmental improvisations. We develop feedback relationships between the players as media-ted by technology. In other words, the sounds and visuals people produce are routed through either a video or audio mixer (or both) before being presented. more info at http://www.21grand.org/20020809.html Saturday August 10th GRAFT WORK: Film/sound/performance 9pm $5-10 Steve Dye and Owen O'Toole from Wetgate Charles Kremenak Liz Albee and Jason Stamberger as Multiplicator Bunnyphonic John Reily Kerry Laitala Maximillian (optic nerd) Godino plus possible special surprise guests! more info at http://www.21grand.org/20020810.html Sunday, August 11 Oakland Looping Festival 8:00 $6-10 Sliding Scale Rick Walker - Processed Live Percussion & Found Objects Matt Davignon - Turntable, CD, and Tape Bill Walker - Electronic Guitar Scott "Kungha" Drengsen - Looped Fretless Bass 4 musicians exploring instruments combined with live electronic processing/looping from different perspectives will present solo sets, followed by collaborative improvisation. more info at http://www.21grand.org/20020811.html --------------DDAA398BB78F60C8140F0BE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 5 18:03:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15433; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:02:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:02:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D4EF5F1.A9760769@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 15:02:24 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Re: Repeaters Clock out References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.electrixpro.com/files/pdf/manual_repeater_E.zip Page 27 has the info you seek. Mark Sottilaro Jon Wagner wrote: > > But all we want is to record a loop on the Repeater and be sure that > > we get a straight clock to slave the EDP to it. > > Is there a parameter we should use to fix this? > > Matthias- > It sounds like you are asking for some sort of "8ths/cycle" adjustment on > the repeater. I believe there is a way to adjust the time signature and > number of measures per loop on the repeater which is similar to 8ths/cycle. > I don't use it, so I don't know exactly how it works - maybe someone else > can post on that. I also don't know if you can change it once the loop is > running without it automatically adjusting the tempo somehow. > Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 5 18:33:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18272; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:33:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:33:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Server-Uuid: cda7734f-06b2-11d3-bc59-00805fbb2b22 Message-ID: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34CB15@ENTCOEXCH13> From: "Lanpheer, James A" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: House concert spam and invitation to soundscapers. Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:31:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 115022A5335907-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6weLp.A.LdE.o0vT9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This coming Friday and Saturday nights, August 9th and 10th, electronic music pioneer Steve Roach be exploring the edges of the sound multiverse and pushing the envelope in house concerts staged in the style of the classical Indian house concert. By that we mean, intimate venue, floor seating, chill-out environment, good conversation with the artist, exchanges of ideas etc. The concerts will take place in my home in Denver, Colorado. I anticipate there will be MUCH loopage! : ) http://www.steveroach.com/Live/Live.html Also, i wanted to lay out an idea publicly. We've begun to establish a small community of people interested primarily in electronic music and soundscapes here in Denver. I've recently acquired a home with a large backroom that i am making available to artists that might be traveling through the area that might be interested in staying in a home and doing a small-scale concert rather than staying at the Comfort Inn and staring at the walls. I had the pleasure of hosting Robert Rich at the end of his spring tour as our maiden voyage into this marriage of ancient tradition and modern music. Steve's appearance will be the second in this series. Apparently, word is getting around a bit, as we have New Zealand electronic artist Rudy Adrian hearing about us and is arranging to stop by to do a house concert in mid-September after his gig in Salt Lake City and on his way east to play The Gathering in Philly. Please email me off-list if you are interested in attending shows of this type. We're hoping to foster the idea of providing local community support for artists trying to express the ineffable... In this era where larger and larger entities seek to dominate the commercial landscape, we feel that local circles of like-minded people can provide a supportive nuturing environment for musics that do not necessarily translate very well in larger venues. I invite your comments on this, off-list or on, as necessary. cheers, jim. James Lanpheer Database Administrator National Access System Phone: 303.267.5175 Email: lanpheer.james.a@broadband.att.com <<...OLE_Obj...>> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 5 18:56:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20052; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:55:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:55:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRv4pHlnQvH/FxIPHEHbRYyqBuY/QIUVdbocIhNhxTT9xnQ2IG9n8ZnCl0= From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:54:59 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: House concert spam and invitation to soundscapers. Message-ID: <8368-3D4F0243-8588@storefull-2357.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Lanpheer, James A" 's message of Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:31:50 -0600 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com also as a reminder Steve Raoach's new album "Trance Spirits" W/Robert Fripp and Jeffery Faymen is available at steveroach.com. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 5 18:59:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20730; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:58:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:58:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Server-Uuid: cda7734f-06b2-11d3-bc59-00805fbb2b22 Message-ID: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34CB16@ENTCOEXCH13> From: "Lanpheer, James A" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: House concert spam and invitation to soundscapers. Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:57:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 1151DCAC397-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, its only pre-release available through the website. You'll see it in stores at the end of August i believe. Its swwwweeeeeet. cheers, jim. -----Original Message----- From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net [mailto:BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net] Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 4:55 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: House concert spam and invitation to soundscapers. also as a reminder Steve Raoach's new album "Trance Spirits" W/Robert Fripp and Jeffery Faymen is available at steveroach.com. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 5 19:23:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24107; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:23:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:23:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c23cd7$058f2e60$11acbdcf@MARCSDESKTOP> From: "Marc Roche" To: References: <1028557704.19787.307.camel@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Re: active studio monitors Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:22:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <1phc4D.A.71F.VjwT9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For dual purpose (studio and PA), you can't beat 2 Mackie SRM 450s at $650 each IMHO. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Lomas" To: "LD Mailing list" Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 7:28 AM Subject: active studio monitors > Anyone have a recommendation for active studio monitor that have a great > range and a reasonable price? > > Thanks, > Jeff > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 5 19:27:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23738; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:22:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:22:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 16:21:14 -0800 Subject: Re: House concert spam and invitation to soundscapers. From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34CB16@ENTCOEXCH13> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com not bein much of a keyboard/synth guy i have to say the cd- w/robert rich and steve roach from'90 is a permanent part of my listening collection. i love the sounds he gets-plus that cd w/DT- shows him to be able to get such eerie(sp?),natural sounds outa his(digital/analog) boxes/boards and keys. s > Yes, its only pre-release available through the website. You'll see it in > stores at the end of August i believe. Its swwwweeeeeet. > > cheers, > jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net [mailto:BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net] > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 4:55 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: House concert spam and invitation to soundscapers. > > > also as a reminder Steve Raoach's new album "Trance Spirits" W/Robert > Fripp and Jeffery Faymen is available at steveroach.com. Bill > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 5 19:32:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25322; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:32:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:32:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Server-Uuid: 90826C58-91B0-45EB-95A5-46B6D42E456F Message-ID: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34CB1A@ENTCOEXCH13> From: "Lanpheer, James A" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: House concert spam and invitation to soundscapers. Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:30:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 1151D54C31925-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i love that cd too. I think you have cd's mixed up though. The Leaving Time is Steve Roach with Michael Shrieve and Jonas Hellborg. DT performed on Robert Rich's release, Seven Veils, which i personally LOVE! My apologies if i missed a cd or something. cheers, jim. -----Original Message----- From: Stan Card [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 6:21 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: House concert spam and invitation to soundscapers. not bein much of a keyboard/synth guy i have to say the cd- w/robert rich and steve roach from'90 is a permanent part of my listening collection. i love the sounds he gets-plus that cd w/DT- shows him to be able to get such eerie(sp?),natural sounds outa his(digital/analog) boxes/boards and keys. s > Yes, its only pre-release available through the website. You'll see it in > stores at the end of August i believe. Its swwwweeeeeet. > > cheers, > jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net [mailto:BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net] > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 4:55 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: House concert spam and invitation to soundscapers. > > > also as a reminder Steve Raoach's new album "Trance Spirits" W/Robert > Fripp and Jeffery Faymen is available at steveroach.com. Bill > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 5 20:39:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31785; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 20:38:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 20:38:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: active studio monitors Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:38:28 -0500 Message-ID: <009901c23ce1$955a0c90$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <1028557704.19787.307.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I recently picked up a pair of Mackie HR-624's. I originally wanted to get the HR-824s but these were cheaper and probably better suited for my smaller studio. Anyway, these monitors are excellent. Terrific on the high end and even though they are small, have a strong low end as well. If I had a sub, I think that would cover the spectrum very well. Steven Ginn ******************************** Please go to Listen to the music. Purchase the CD Support the NY Firefighters 9/11 Relief Fund ******************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey Lomas [mailto:jeff.lomas@oasis-open.org] > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 9:28 AM > To: LD Mailing list > Subject: active studio monitors > > > Anyone have a recommendation for active studio monitor that > have a great range and a reasonable price? > > Thanks, > Jeff > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 5 21:05:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03260; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:05:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:05:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 18:08:11 -0700 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Gig Spam: jump/cut in San Francisco To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004001c23ce5$bbe85ca0$0282c83f@kinesys1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com for those of you in san francisco: Cloud 9 Thursday, August 8th 7pm - 10pm $3 34 7th Street (7th @ Market) San Francisco, CA 415.355.9991 :: jump/cut :: a new breed of "organic electronica" that takes its musical inspiration from two things: 1. modern jazz fused electronic music, and 2. visual mediums like film and art. the resulting soundscapes translate to elastic grooves with breakbeat twists and cool visuals // the collaborators // :: trevel beshore :: midi guitar-synth :: :: doug lawrence :: bass / loops :: :: kyle mueller :: drums / samples :: :: dylan yanez :: turntables / samples / loops :: // special guest // :: aaron mccoy :: alto sax / flute :: // check out our material online at // http://www.jumpcut.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 5 21:27:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05049; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:26:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:26:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D4F25B3.B7178BE1@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 18:26:11 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: active studio monitors References: <1028557704.19787.307.camel@localhost.localdomain> <002601c23cd7$058f2e60$11acbdcf@MARCSDESKTOP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have to say, as an owner of two SRAM 450s, I would NEVER use them as studio monitors. They're great sounding speakers, but IMO they really don't have the subtlety of a good studio monitor, and any speaker that uses a horn to disperse high frequency information isn't going to give you a great idea of what the stereo sound field is like. Mark Sottilaro Marco Rote wrote: > For dual purpose (studio and PA), you can't beat 2 Mackie SRM 450s at $650 > each IMHO. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeffrey Lomas" > To: "LD Mailing list" > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 7:28 AM > Subject: active studio monitors > > > Anyone have a recommendation for active studio monitor that have a great > > range and a reasonable price? > > > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 5 21:44:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07058; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:43:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:43:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D4F2A0D.40FEB586@friendlyspider.com> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 20:45:43 -0500 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Electribe ES-1 question.... References: <20020805011837.11385.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4mzX5.A.psB.XmyT9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone know if the Korg Electribe ES-1 responds to MIDI velocity when triggered by external MIDI pads and, if so, if the velocity can effect a filter or other effect parameters for adding dynamics to samples ? Would this be a good unit for using as a sample source for MIDI pads as well as a way to generate rythmic loops by sampling ethnic percussion and what-not ? tanks...... -- gary @friendlyspider.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 5 22:05:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10502; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 22:04:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 22:04:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 19:04:07 -0800 Subject: Re: House concert spam and invitation to soundscapers. From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34CB1A@ENTCOEXCH13> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com au contraire mon frer(sp?i aint franceish). listenin to 'the leaving time' as we spreken-torn's all over this thang! its funny tho'-hopin for some DT input-it says: 'keyboards+electronics recorded @ the time room la.ca.engineer steve roach drums+guitars recorded @ milbrook sound studios,millbrook,ny.engineer paul orofino so i guess this was a coast to coast thing,sending tapes etc.? any info would be appreciated... s > i love that cd too. > > I think you have cd's mixed up though. > > The Leaving Time is Steve Roach with Michael Shrieve and Jonas Hellborg. > DT performed on Robert Rich's release, Seven Veils, which i personally > LOVE! > > My apologies if i missed a cd or something. > > cheers, > jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stan Card [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 6:21 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: House concert spam and invitation to soundscapers. > > > not bein much of a keyboard/synth guy i have to say the cd- w/robert > rich and steve roach from'90 is a permanent part of my listening collection. > i love the sounds he gets-plus that cd w/DT- shows him to > be able to get such eerie(sp?),natural sounds outa his(digital/analog) > boxes/boards and keys. > s > >> Yes, its only pre-release available through the website. You'll see it in >> stores at the end of August i believe. Its swwwweeeeeet. >> >> cheers, >> jim. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net [mailto:BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net] >> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 4:55 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: House concert spam and invitation to soundscapers. >> >> >> also as a reminder Steve Raoach's new album "Trance Spirits" W/Robert >> Fripp and Jeffery Faymen is available at steveroach.com. Bill >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 5 22:17:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11379; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 22:17:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 22:17:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <169.11abd51c.2a808b94@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 22:16:52 EDT Subject: Re: Ted Killian review at Bayimproviser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Matt! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 5 23:36:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18837; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 23:36:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 23:36:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020805202041.0349b008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 20:37:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: analyse repeater's clock; was Re: Repeaters Clock out In-Reply-To: References: <002f01c23cc0$cc4ed120$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:57 PM 8/5/2002, Jon Wagner wrote: >I have been thinking for a long time now to put this unstable clock issue to >rest by analyzing the midi clock output of the repeater on an oscilloscope >here at work. Only problem is that it could be a little tedious to manually >measure each clock pulse to collect data. you need a scope with infinite persistence mode, and probably some special triggering to just capture the clock bytes at the same spot each time. most modern digital scopes have that. I could help you more if you really want to try to do a jitter analysis like this. >Has anyone done this and gotten >real data for the stability (jitter, drift, ect) of the midi-clock? no, but when repeater first came out it had a weird clock problem that I investigated because it was causing the EDP to sync with the wrong loop time. I made a simple max patch to measure the time difference between clocks and log it. If I remember right I found that the 23rd clock pulse of each quarter note was coming out really late, almost right on top of the 24th pulse. That was tripping up the EDP, and probably other devices as well. I'm pretty sure Electrix fixed this in the 1.1 update though. I never checked into it again. >Also it >would be interesting to see if certain conditions improve or harm the >stability. Is there a way to analyze this somehow in software - for example >just record the midi stream with accurate timestamps on each clock signal, >then use excel for some basic calculations. I found that MidiOx is ok for this, and certainly easier to get data out than trying to use max. it timestamps midi events and logs them so you could see what the clock is doing. We used it for debugging various midi sync issues during LoopIV development and it was quite helpful. For some reason MidiOx has a 2ms resolution in the time stamps. I don't know if it is a MidiOx thing, my pc, or what, but I was a little annoyed by it. It's good enough though to see if anything is wrong, since the clocks are typically much further than 2ms apart, and 2ms difference shouldn't be enough to cause a problem. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 6 07:35:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA29311; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:34:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:34:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3D4EF5F1.A9760769@zerocrossing.net> References: <3D4EF5F1.A9760769@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:33:47 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Repeaters Clock out Cc: timothy crowe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >http://www.electrixpro.com/files/pdf/manual_repeater_E.zip > >Page 27 has the info you seek. I cannot believe it... the guy that writes more than all other loopers together doesnt have a second sentence for this... ;-) At Tim, we read the manual over and over and did not find the point... or did you? Tim? Since you have both machines, Mark, did you try to sync them? Ok, I know you sync to a third one... >Jon Wagner wrote: > >> > But all we want is to record a loop on the Repeater and be sure that >> > we get a straight clock to slave the EDP to it. >> > Is there a parameter we should use to fix this? >> >> Matthias- >> It sounds like you are asking for some sort of "8ths/cycle" adjustment on >> the repeater. I believe there is a way to adjust the time signature and >> number of measures per loop on the repeater which is similar to 8ths/cycle. >> I don't use it, so I don't know exactly how it works - maybe someone else >> can post on that. I also don't know if you can change it once the loop is >> running without it automatically adjusting the tempo somehow. >> Jon thats pretty much it. The repeater counts the bars each time different, it seems and as you say, when you change something, it changes the sound, too. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 6 08:55:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA05263; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:55:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:55:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D4FC710.4BBA9D54@club-internet.fr> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 14:54:40 +0200 From: Emmanuel PERILLE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [fr] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: DJRND3 in europe References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My DJRND3 prototype is back in France. Any one here in Europe to have a personnal demo ? Please feel free to let me know Thanks Emmanuel Pérille http://perso.club-internet.fr/perille From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 6 08:57:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA05691; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:56:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:56:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.201.161.211] From: "The Weg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: active studio monitors Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 08:55:48 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2002 12:55:48.0239 (UTC) FILETIME=[95F1D9F0:01C23D48] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I am considering purchasing a pair of the Mackie SRM 450's. I've heard nothing but good about these speakers. Anyone here have anything negative to say about them? Where can they be purchased for $650.00? Thanks, Weg From: "Marc Roche" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Subject: Re: active studio monitors Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:22:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from mc1-f40.law16.hotmail.com ([65.54.236.47]) by mc1-s8.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:27:21 -0700 Received: from hemlock.violacea.com ([207.228.238.9]) by mc1-f40.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:24:21 -0700 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23936;Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:23:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:23:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c23cd7$058f2e60$11acbdcf@MARCSDESKTOP> References: <1028557704.19787.307.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <1phc4D.A.71F.VjwT9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Return-Path: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2002 23:24:21.0804 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A916EC0:01C23CD7] For dual purpose (studio and PA), you can't beat 2 Mackie SRM 450s at $650 each IMHO. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Lomas" To: "LD Mailing list" Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 7:28 AM Subject: active studio monitors > Anyone have a recommendation for active studio monitor that have a great > range and a reasonable price? > > Thanks, > Jeff > > > Weg _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 6 09:28:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09526; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:27:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:27:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f701c23d4c$442242a0$16605cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:21:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown on 91.7 FM and on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8 am to 9:30 am where I play more prog. Show #5 August 3, 2002. RECAP: I started with spacemusic and moved through some eclectic genres of music, ending with some progressive rock. I will return on August 17. Meanwhile, you can hear me on Afterglow, my other WMHU show every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30 am where I'll play more prog! PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Terra Ambient Aether The Darker Space (Space for Music) Terra Ambient The Glass House The Darker Space (Space for Music) vidnaObmana and Opening The Oblique Fusion (none) Joris De Baker vidnaObmana and Oblique (Beyond the The Oblique Fusion (none) Joris De Baker Shaman) Interstitial Movement in Glass Temporal Arc (Red Antenna) Free System Projekt Substance Pointless Reminder (Quantum) Scott Petito Beautifully Fearfully Sbass Music (Hudson Valley) Made Dave Edgar Angel Angelic Embrace (Domo) David Miller New Dawn Relax: Meditations for Piano (Clarity Sound and Light) LuminArias Little Suite for Autumn String of Pearls (Fourth Ray) Ed Gerhard Promised Land House of Guitars (Virtue) Carl Weingarten 1973 Escape Silence (Multiphase) Eva Cassidy The Letter Time After Time (Blix Street) Porcupine Tree Even Less Stupid Dream (K Scope) Anglagard track 3 Hybris (Mellotronen) Mike Oldfield Blue Saloon Tubular Bells 2 (Reprise) Mike Oldfield Sunjammer Tubular Bells 2 (Reprise) Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiy.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 6 09:54:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12395; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:54:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:54:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <70.20d2e9b3.2a812ec8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:53:12 EDT Subject: Re: pcm42 sync out ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com matthias, >do you use that to sync with the EDP? no; in fact, i haven't used the pcm42's sync in *years*. (i've been happy to maintain the 42's position as a free-range looper). hmmmm, though..... i'll look at it, this week..... best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 6 10:35:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17875; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:35:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:35:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c23d56$6e8a3bb0$0bacbdcf@MARCSDESKTOP> From: "Marc Roche" To: References: Subject: Re: active studio monitors Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:34:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com try guitar center.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Weg" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 5:55 AM Subject: Re: active studio monitors > Hi all, > I am considering purchasing a pair of the Mackie SRM 450's. I've heard > nothing but good about these speakers. Anyone here have anything negative > to say about them? Where can they be purchased for $650.00? > > > Thanks, > Weg > > > From: "Marc Roche" > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > To: > Subject: Re: active studio monitors > Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:22:46 -0700 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Received: from mc1-f40.law16.hotmail.com ([65.54.236.47]) by > mc1-s8.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Mon, 5 Aug > 2002 16:27:21 -0700 > Received: from hemlock.violacea.com ([207.228.238.9]) by > mc1-f40.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Mon, 5 Aug > 2002 16:24:21 -0700 > Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id > TAA23936;Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:23:01 -0400 > Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:23:01 -0400 > Old-Return-Path: > Message-ID: <002601c23cd7$058f2e60$11acbdcf@MARCSDESKTOP> > References: <1028557704.19787.307.camel@localhost.localdomain> > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > Resent-Message-ID: <1phc4D.A.71F.VjwT9@hemlock.violacea.com> > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22766 > X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Precedence: list > Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Return-Path: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2002 23:24:21.0804 (UTC) > FILETIME=[3A916EC0:01C23CD7] > > For dual purpose (studio and PA), you can't beat 2 Mackie SRM 450s at $650 > each IMHO. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeffrey Lomas" > To: "LD Mailing list" > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 7:28 AM > Subject: active studio monitors > > > > Anyone have a recommendation for active studio monitor that have a great > > range and a reasonable price? > > > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > Weg > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 6 10:39:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18469; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:38:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:38:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.159.227.21] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pcm42 mod? Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 10:37:34 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2002 14:37:34.0499 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD8F2F30:01C23D56] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is anyone in the business still of doing the 19.x sec mod? thanks >From: Hedewa7@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: pcm42 sync out ? >Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:53:12 EDT > >matthias, > > >do you use that to sync with the EDP? >no; in fact, i haven't used the pcm42's sync in *years*. >(i've been happy to maintain the 42's position as a free-range looper). >hmmmm, though..... >i'll look at it, this week..... >best, >dt / s-c _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 6 11:09:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22499; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:08:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:08:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <6c.204df3e7.2a81405f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:08:15 EDT Subject: Re: pcm42 mod? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lou, >Is anyone in the business still of doing the 19.x sec mod? i've no clues, but..... i think that gary hall is subscribed to this list. afaik, he and bob sellon were the only ones to do the mod --- ??? best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 6 11:29:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24289; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:29:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:29:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 11:29:01 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Hello Bill Message-ID: <6B2BACEA.0FE8B8C3.0017F279@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What did you think of the DreamLand "Underwater" cd? Thanks, James In a message dated Tue, 6 Aug 2002 8:21:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, billfox@fast.net writes: > > > The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays > electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other > genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown on 91.7 FM and > on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I also > host Afterglow every Thursday from 8 am to 9:30 am where I play more prog. > > > Show #5 August 3, 2002. > > > RECAP: > I started with spacemusic and moved through some eclectic genres of music, > ending with some progressive rock. I will return on August 17. Meanwhile, you > can hear me on Afterglow, my other WMHU show every Thursday morning from 8:00 > to 9:30 am where I'll play more prog! > > > PLAYLIST: > > > ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) > ======================= ======================== ============================== > Terra Ambient Aether The Darker Space (Space for > Music) > Terra Ambient The Glass House The Darker Space (Space for > Music) > vidnaObmana and Opening The Oblique Fusion (none) > Joris De Baker > vidnaObmana and Oblique (Beyond the The Oblique Fusion (none) > Joris De Baker Shaman) > Interstitial Movement in Glass Temporal Arc (Red Antenna) > Free System Projekt Substance Pointless Reminder (Quantum) > Scott Petito Beautifully Fearfully Sbass Music (Hudson Valley) > Made > Dave Edgar Angel Angelic Embrace (Domo) > David Miller New Dawn Relax: Meditations for Piano > (Clarity Sound and Light) > LuminArias Little Suite for Autumn String of Pearls (Fourth Ray) > Ed Gerhard Promised Land House of Guitars (Virtue) > Carl Weingarten 1973 Escape Silence (Multiphase) > Eva Cassidy The Letter Time After Time (Blix Street) > Porcupine Tree Even Less Stupid Dream (K Scope) > Anglagard track 3 Hybris (Mellotronen) > Mike Oldfield Blue Saloon Tubular Bells 2 (Reprise) > Mike Oldfield Sunjammer Tubular Bells 2 (Reprise) > > > Bill > =============================================================================== > Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at > 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and > Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic > Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. > Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. > http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow > Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiy.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh > Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill > To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on > [Join This Group!] > SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 6 13:45:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07409; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:44:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:44:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020806174408.83601.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:44:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: active studio monitors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3D4F25B3.B7178BE1@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > I have to say, as an owner of two SRAM 450s, I would NEVER use them > as studio > monitors. They're great sounding speakers, but IMO they really don't > have > the subtlety of a good studio monitor, and any speaker that uses a > horn to disperse high frequency information isn't going to give you > a great idea of what the stereo sound field is like. The old classic Urei studio monitors like the 813s used horns. I suppose it could be argued whether they are "good" by todays standards, but they sure got used a lot in years past. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 6 13:53:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08973; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:53:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:53:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020806175303.56859.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:53:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: active studio monitors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20020806174408.83601.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-7QGdB.A.uLC.A0AU9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Too quick on the "send" button... Having said that, I didn't mean to imply I was endorsing their use for that purpose. Frankly, even as many good reports as I've heard about the Mackie SRM450s, I still cringe at the thought of trying to use any PA speakers for studio monitors. I haven't personally heard these Mackies, but I have a hard time believing they'd have the detail to do a good job for that. Perhaps as a 2nd reference, to check bass levels or impress your clients with how loud you can get things, but not as a primary monitor. For small studio monitors, I use an older pair of Tannoys. I've used the Mackie 824s a little bit and they seemed like something I could work easily on. I also keep a pair of Yamaha NS10s that I can switch to, to check for midrange problems, but I don't mix on them. Greg --- I wrote: > --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > I have to say, as an owner of two SRAM 450s, I would NEVER use them > > as studio > > monitors. They're great sounding speakers, but IMO they really > don't > > have > > the subtlety of a good studio monitor, and any speaker that uses a > > horn to disperse high frequency information isn't going to give you > > > a great idea of what the stereo sound field is like. > > The old classic Urei studio monitors like the 813s used horns. I > suppose it could be argued whether they are "good" by todays > standards, > but they sure got used a lot in years past. > > Greg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 6 14:53:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17308; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:52:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:52:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.104.22.70] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: Oakland, CA gig spam Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 11:51:18 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2002 18:51:18.0882 (UTC) FILETIME=[3FFFAC20:01C23D7A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Mark! Sorry I haven't posted yet. This week is crazy at my job, and next week I have a show every other day. This is definitely the one I'm the most excited about though. Rick and I have been planning it for over a year! >Sunday, August 11 Oakland Looping Festival 8:00 $6-10 Sliding Scale >Rick Walker - Processed Live Percussion & Found Objects >Matt Davignon - Turntable, CD, and Tape >Bill Walker - Electronic Guitar >Scott "Kungha" Drengsen - Looped Fretless Bass > >4 musicians exploring instruments combined with live electronic >processing/looping from different perspectives will present solo sets, >followed by collaborative improvisation. >more info at http://www.21grand.org/20020811.html The other two shows next week are: >Tuesday, August 13th, 8 pm >Black Box Theatre >Telegraph between 18th & 19th (one block from Bart) >Oakland, CA >$6-$1000 sliding scale > >Matt Davignon's "Tape Recorder" A project using 4 tape players with field >recordings. Matt will also >presenting a new ambient project. > >Illuminated Orchestra (Group improvisation conducted through coloured. >lights) > >Ernesto Diaz-Infante, guitar John Shiurba, guitar Jim Ryan, sax and flute >Jeff Hobbs, sax and coronet Jacob Lindsay, bass clarinet Ron Heglin, >trombone Damon Smith, bass Adam Lane, bass (?) Karen Stackpole, percussion >Bob Marsh, conductor >Thursday, August 15, 2002, 8pm 509 Cultural Space 509 Ellis Street between >Leavenworth & Hyde Sts San Francisco, CA > >Diaz-Infante hosts Company Night II (bay >area improvisers TBA are invited to perform in varying combinations) I'll be playing prepared acoustic guitar (something I do a lot at home, but haven't done in public) plus springboard. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 6 14:58:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18441; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:58:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:58:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Server-Uuid: 90826C58-91B0-45EB-95A5-46B6D42E456F Message-ID: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34CB20@ENTCOEXCH13> From: "Lanpheer, James A" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: House concert spam and invitation to soundscapers. Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:56:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 114EC38A147815-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You are correct Stan (i won't even bother with the French). I checked it out last night. It all came to pass when splattercell was just a pup! :) thanx for correcting me, i had a nice listen last night! That work stands the test of time for me. cheers, jim. -----Original Message----- From: Stan Card [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 9:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: House concert spam and invitation to soundscapers. au contraire mon frer(sp?i aint franceish). listenin to 'the leaving time' as we spreken-torn's all over this thang! its funny tho'-hopin for some DT input-it says: 'keyboards+electronics recorded @ the time room la.ca.engineer steve roach drums+guitars recorded @ milbrook sound studios,millbrook,ny.engineer paul orofino so i guess this was a coast to coast thing,sending tapes etc.? any info would be appreciated... s > i love that cd too. > > I think you have cd's mixed up though. > > The Leaving Time is Steve Roach with Michael Shrieve and Jonas Hellborg. > DT performed on Robert Rich's release, Seven Veils, which i personally > LOVE! > > My apologies if i missed a cd or something. > > cheers, > jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stan Card [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 6:21 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: House concert spam and invitation to soundscapers. > > > not bein much of a keyboard/synth guy i have to say the cd- w/robert > rich and steve roach from'90 is a permanent part of my listening collection. > i love the sounds he gets-plus that cd w/DT- shows him to > be able to get such eerie(sp?),natural sounds outa his(digital/analog) > boxes/boards and keys. > s > >> Yes, its only pre-release available through the website. You'll see it in >> stores at the end of August i believe. Its swwwweeeeeet. >> >> cheers, >> jim. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net [mailto:BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net] >> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 4:55 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: House concert spam and invitation to soundscapers. >> >> >> also as a reminder Steve Raoach's new album "Trance Spirits" W/Robert >> Fripp and Jeffery Faymen is available at steveroach.com. Bill >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 6 15:22:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22312; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:20:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:20:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D502176.B8505D24@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 12:20:21 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeaters Clock out References: <3D4EF5F1.A9760769@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry Matthais, I was just trying to conserve bytes. I've never bothered to try and use the Repeater's clock out for anything other than beta testing purposes, what with all the nuttyness of it. Never needed to. I do remember having weird issues trying to synch the Repeater to an EDPs clock with Jon Wagner. I think our Repeaters would freak out when the 8th note/cycle thing didn't match. I think it was because they were trying to get to a BPM that was out of it's range. It was during a gig, so we just abandoned trying to synch and played. I think Jon did figure out that problem though. Mark Matthias Grob wrote: > >http://www.electrixpro.com/files/pdf/manual_repeater_E.zip > > > >Page 27 has the info you seek. > > I cannot believe it... the guy that writes more than all other > loopers together doesnt have a second sentence for this... ;-) > > At Tim, we read the manual over and over and did not find the > point... or did you? Tim? > > Since you have both machines, Mark, did you try to sync them? Ok, I > know you sync to a third one... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 6 15:38:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23983; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:32:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:32:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3D502176.B8505D24@zerocrossing.net> References: <3D4EF5F1.A9760769@zerocrossing.net> <3D502176.B8505D24@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:30:55 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Repeaters Clock out Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Sorry Matthais, I was just trying to conserve bytes. > >I've never bothered to try and use the Repeater's clock out for anything other >than beta testing purposes, what with all the nuttyness of it. >Never needed to. >I do remember having weird issues trying to synch the Repeater to an >EDPs clock >with Jon Wagner. I think our Repeaters would freak out when the 8th >note/cycle >thing didn't match. I think it was because they were trying to get >to a BPM that >was out of it's range. It was during a gig, so we just abandoned >trying to synch >and played. I think Jon did figure out that problem though. I use the repeater's clock out every time I play -- I send it to a Electribe ER-1 and it seems to work really quite well. The only issue is when you switch to reverse, when it send a restart that restarts the pattern from the top... can be a bit jarring if you aren't paying attention. if you press "reverse" at the start of the loop you can minimize the jumpiness. /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 6 15:41:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25603; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:39:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:39:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6c.204df3e7.2a81405f@aol.com> References: <6c.204df3e7.2a81405f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 21:41:20 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: pcm42 mod? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4Dz0_.A.ZPG.rXCU9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >lou, > >>Is anyone in the business still of doing the 19.x sec mod? >i've no clues, but..... >i think that gary hall is subscribed to this list. I dont think so, but I just forwarded our discussion to him... >afaik, he and bob sellon were the only ones to do the mod --- ??? I did it in my own, to 36 sec with tap tempo and multiply ;-) >best, >dt / s-c -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 6 15:44:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26148; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:44:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:44:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3D502176.B8505D24@zerocrossing.net> References: <3D4EF5F1.A9760769@zerocrossing.net> <3D502176.B8505D24@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 21:45:47 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Repeaters Clock out Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Sorry Matthais, I was just trying to conserve bytes. :-) >I've never bothered to try and use the Repeater's clock out for anything other >than beta testing purposes, what with all the nuttyness of it. >Never needed to. >I do remember having weird issues trying to synch the Repeater to an >EDPs clock >with Jon Wagner. I think our Repeaters would freak out when the 8th >note/cycle >thing didn't match. I think it was because they were trying to get >to a BPM that >was out of it's range. It was during a gig, so we just abandoned >trying to synch >and played. I think Jon did figure out that problem though. yes, we also did it the other way round, but since the bpm range of the Repeater is very narrow, the EDP player has to be carefull with looplength and 8th/cycle... Since the EDP input accepts a bigger range and usually the Repeater is rather the base loop master "server", I think it would be nice to figure out how it works... > >Mark > >Matthias Grob wrote: > >> >http://www.electrixpro.com/files/pdf/manual_repeater_E.zip >> > >> >Page 27 has the info you seek. >> >> I cannot believe it... the guy that writes more than all other >> loopers together doesnt have a second sentence for this... ;-) >> >> At Tim, we read the manual over and over and did not find the >> point... or did you? Tim? >> >> Since you have both machines, Mark, did you try to sync them? Ok, I >> know you sync to a third one... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 6 15:46:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26223; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:44:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:44:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 14:44:25 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Repeaters Clock out To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01f101c23d81$abbc11e0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3D4EF5F1.A9760769@zerocrossing.net> <3D502176.B8505D24@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i haven't had much trouble synching repeater to edp. (haven't really tried it the other way since repeater os1.1) the only thing i have come across is when i do odd time stuff. the repeater seems to only think in quarter notes, so i have to set the edps epc (eighths per cycle) to double (ex. for one measure in 5/8, i have to set epc to 10) and then the repeater shows 5/4 with the tempo doubled. i have wound up with the tempo faster than the repeater could handle this way. there may be a better way around this... it's a lot of fun to grab an edp loop with the repeater and then shift it around against the edp by hitting play on the repeater to reset it's start point. pitch shifting the repeater can be good, too if the loops are sparse enough. interlocking madness to follow... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 2:20 PM Subject: Re: Repeaters Clock out > Sorry Matthais, I was just trying to conserve bytes. > > I've never bothered to try and use the Repeater's clock out for anything other > than beta testing purposes, what with all the nuttyness of it. Never needed to. > I do remember having weird issues trying to synch the Repeater to an EDPs clock > with Jon Wagner. I think our Repeaters would freak out when the 8th note/cycle > thing didn't match. I think it was because they were trying to get to a BPM that > was out of it's range. It was during a gig, so we just abandoned trying to synch > and played. I think Jon did figure out that problem though. > > Mark > > Matthias Grob wrote: > > > >http://www.electrixpro.com/files/pdf/manual_repeater_E.zip > > > > > >Page 27 has the info you seek. > > > > I cannot believe it... the guy that writes more than all other > > loopers together doesnt have a second sentence for this... ;-) > > > > At Tim, we read the manual over and over and did not find the > > point... or did you? Tim? > > > > Since you have both machines, Mark, did you try to sync them? Ok, I > > know you sync to a third one... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 6 15:53:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27780; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:53:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:53:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <3D4EF5F1.A9760769@zerocrossing.net> <3D502176.B8505D24@zerocrossing.net> <01f101c23d81$abbc11e0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: Repeaters Clock out Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:53:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2002 19:52:00.0993 (UTC) FILETIME=[BADDB510:01C23D82] Resent-Message-ID: <2jPTtC.A.uwG.AkCU9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all- check archives for: EDP-Repeater sync (EDP clock calculation) http://www.loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/200202/msg00618.html and: Repeater & EDP: Ideas for synergy http://www.loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/200110/msg00991.html Bottom line is that the Repeater accepts sync up to 240bpm the EDP-loop3 creates clock up to 416bpm loopIV is 26-280bpm if you set a too fast tempo on EDP, the repeater freaks, then appears to work right but doesn't and the only fix is a hard re-boot (power down and back) pain in the arse. This is with OS1.1 Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 6 16:31:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32442; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:29:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:29:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:28:02 +0200 Subject: Re: Repeaters Clock out Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <01f101c23d81$abbc11e0$080210ac@jpalmer> Message-Id: <01597036-A97B-11D6-B8A0-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've always had problems trying to sync something using the Repeater as a master. I believe that it is due to CPU overload or some other hardware/software bottleneck. Another type of overload is also apparent if you record a short (i.e. two beat ) loop, and extend it a number of times in quick succession. The BPM sometimes goes haywire for a few seconds (slowing down) before restoring itself to the original BPM. However, I've had no problems at all syncing the Repeater as a slave from another device. I've been experimenting lately using Ableton's Live as the master, and using the Repeater as a slave. Works beautifully. I've even almost mastered bouncing finished loops from the Repeater into Live. (I say almost... its not perfect :). One day... one day.... -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 6 16:32:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32700; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:31:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:31:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 13:30:52 -0800 Subject: Re: pcm42 sync out ? From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <70.20d2e9b3.2a812ec8@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > matthias, > >> do you use that to sync with the EDP? > no; in fact, i haven't used the pcm42's sync in *years*. > (i've been happy to maintain the 42's position as a free-range looper). > hmmmm, though..... > i'll look at it, this week..... > best, > dt / s-c > i've done/do that.it works ok-i was talking to kim about this very thing @y2k2 in santa cruz-sending the pcm42 clock to the edp. my only problem and its totally personal is that when those 3 ooo's show up on the edp and to hit the start pedal on the beat-i havent been able to master that yet... still tryin. s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 6 17:50:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06703; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 17:48:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 17:48:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:49:48 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: pcm42 sync out ? Cc: GarySHall@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > matthias, >> >>> do you use that to sync with the EDP? >> no; in fact, i haven't used the pcm42's sync in *years*. >> (i've been happy to maintain the 42's position as a free-range looper). >> hmmmm, though..... >> i'll look at it, this week..... >> best, >> dt / s-c >> > >i've done/do that.it works ok ah, thats good to know! >-i was talking to kim about this very thing >@y2k2 in santa cruz-sending the pcm42 clock to the edp. my only problem and >its totally personal is that when those 3 ooo's show up on the edp and to >hit the start pedal on the beat-i havent been able to master that yet... >still tryin. *before* not on the beat maybe rather? get Loop4 that does it immediately and then rounds - end of worries. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 6 18:15:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10395; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 18:14:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 18:14:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: House concert spam and invitation to soundscapers. Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 17:13:53 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34CB15@ENTCOEXCH13> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is such a great (and gracious) offer, James! It's folks like you that make LD such a great community! Now if I only lived nearer... > . . . > Also, i wanted to lay out an idea publicly. > We've begun to establish a small community > of people interested primarily in electronic > music and soundscapes here in Denver. I've > recently acquired a home with a large backroom > that i am making available to artists that might > be traveling through the area that might be > interested in staying in a home and doing a > small-scale concert rather than staying at the > Comfort Inn and staring at the walls. I had the > pleasure of hosting Robert Rich at the end of his spring tour as our maiden voyage into this marriage > of ancient tradition and modern music. Steve's > appearance will be the second in this series. > . . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 6 19:27:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18740; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:27:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:27:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <47.2119ba46.2a81b4ee@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:25:34 EDT Subject: Re: pcm42 mod? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com matthias, >I did it in my own, to 36 sec with tap tempo and multiply ;-) did you implement 'reverse', and 'newloopstart/end', also? best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 6 20:34:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25751; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:32:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:32:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 17:31:21 -0800 Subject: Re: pcm42 mod? From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <47.2119ba46.2a81b4ee@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0Ye6YB.A.YRG.zpGU9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com bob sellon did the reverse on my 42-but wots cool is the clock stays forward. i think :-) how would ya check that? s > matthias, > >> I did it in my own, to 36 sec with tap tempo and multiply ;-) > did you implement 'reverse', and 'newloopstart/end', also? > best, > dt / s-c > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 6 22:21:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05210; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:21:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:21:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D50839C.41978349@mac.com> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 19:19:09 -0700 From: Matt McCabe Reply-To: finleysound@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: changing email address Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo! Through no fault of my own, my email address is changing to finleysound@earthlink.net. Please make a note of it. Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 6 22:36:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06893; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:36:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:36:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ptsherman@attbi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ptsherman@mail.attbi.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:31:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gemini 2024 help! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <9EeKAB.A.CpB.-dIU9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all- I just bought a Gemini 2024 sampler (no manuals) and have messed around with all the obvious switches, buttons and inputs...I can get samples to play THRU the unit and to an amp, but I can't get amples into any of the banks for playback. I'm missing a simple step, I'm sure. can anyone help? I'm using the Line In jacks on the back for input, then Output to an amp. Thanks- Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 7 01:38:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24192; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 01:35:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 01:35:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: LoopIV sysex, etc. Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 00:35:02 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020804193600.0355f6b0@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Claude, I finally downloaded the demo version of SoundDiver and tried out your EDP LoopIV editor. Very nice! Much thanks for putting together and posting a very useful tool! BTW: Say that I send a sysex message to set Loop/Delay to "Flip" but a feedback pedal is not plugged in. The displayed value of Loop/Delay (as shown on the EDP) is "noP" but what is the mode really? - Dennis Leas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 7 02:48:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA31341; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:47:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:47:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c23dde$69f393c0$52b0bfa8@hppav> From: "Rick Williamson" To: References: Subject: Re: LoopIV sysex, etc. Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 01:48:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <97N--.A.EnH.qJMU9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > BTW: Say that I send a sysex message to set Loop/Delay to "Flip" but a > feedback pedal is not plugged in. The displayed value of Loop/Delay (as > shown on the EDP) is "noP" but what is the mode really? > The mode is Flip, but will not work without the pedal plugged in. A sysex message can patch the EDP into any of the modes that require a pedal, without a pedal actually plugged in. That lets you create presets that may or may not reflect how you currently have the footswitches & pedals configured. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 7 10:54:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29660; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:54:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:54:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020807105428.02798848@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 10:54:52 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: powered speakers - one man's opinion Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com strictly IMHO, here, but... i've always been of the feeling that speaker preferences are largely a matter of individual personal perception. recommends on monitoring are ok inasmuch as power handling and build quality are concerned - but i believe that the only way to know if you like how any set of speakers sound is to listen to them yourself. hopefully, not in a listening-room environment totally different from the space you commonly make critical descions in! a:c WEG said > Hi all, I am considering purchasing a pair of the Mackie SRM 450's. I've heard nothing but good about these speakers. Anyone here have anything negative to say about them? Where can they be purchased for $650.00? Thanks, Weg From: "Marc Roche" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Subject: Re: active studio monitors Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:22:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from mc1-f40.law16.hotmail.com ([65.54.236.47]) by mc1-s8.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:27:21 -0700 Received: from hemlock.violacea.com ([207.228.238.9]) by mc1-f40.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:24:21 -0700 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23936;Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:23:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:23:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c23cd7$058f2e60$11acbdcf@MARCSDESKTOP> References: <1028557704.19787.307.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <1phc4D.A.71F.VjwT9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Return-Path: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2002 23:24:21.0804 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A916EC0:01C23CD7] For dual purpose (studio and PA), you can't beat 2 Mackie SRM 450s at $650 each IMHO. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Lomas" To: "LD Mailing list" Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 7:28 AM Subject: active studio monitors > Anyone have a recommendation for active studio monitor that have a great > range and a reasonable price? > > Thanks, > Jeff > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 7 12:00:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04504; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:58:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:58:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 09:08:33 -0700 From: Anthony Justman Subject: Re: Oakland, CA gig spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005201c23e2c$afe1f720$0300a8c0@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matt: where's the oakland show? I'm in SF and would like to come. ----- Original Message ----- From: "matt davignon" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 11:51 AM Subject: re: Oakland, CA gig spam > Thanks Mark! Sorry I haven't posted yet. This week is crazy at my job, and > next week I have a show every other day. This is definitely the one I'm the > most excited about though. Rick and I have been planning it for over a year! > > >Sunday, August 11 Oakland Looping Festival 8:00 $6-10 Sliding Scale > >Rick Walker - Processed Live Percussion & Found Objects > >Matt Davignon - Turntable, CD, and Tape > >Bill Walker - Electronic Guitar > >Scott "Kungha" Drengsen - Looped Fretless Bass > > > >4 musicians exploring instruments combined with live electronic > >processing/looping from different perspectives will present solo sets, > >followed by collaborative improvisation. > >more info at http://www.21grand.org/20020811.html > > The other two shows next week are: > > >Tuesday, August 13th, 8 pm > >Black Box Theatre > >Telegraph between 18th & 19th (one block from Bart) > >Oakland, CA > >$6-$1000 sliding scale > > > >Matt Davignon's "Tape Recorder" A project using 4 tape players with field > >recordings. Matt will also > >presenting a new ambient project. > > > >Illuminated Orchestra (Group improvisation conducted through coloured. > >lights) > > > >Ernesto Diaz-Infante, guitar John Shiurba, guitar Jim Ryan, sax and flute > >Jeff Hobbs, sax and coronet Jacob Lindsay, bass clarinet Ron Heglin, > >trombone Damon Smith, bass Adam Lane, bass (?) Karen Stackpole, percussion > >Bob Marsh, conductor > > >Thursday, August 15, 2002, 8pm 509 Cultural Space 509 Ellis Street between > >Leavenworth & Hyde Sts San Francisco, CA > > > >Diaz-Infante hosts Company Night II (bay > >area improvisers TBA are invited to perform in varying combinations) > > I'll be playing prepared acoustic guitar (something I do a lot at home, but > haven't done in public) plus springboard. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 7 12:17:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07897; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:16:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:16:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c23e2d$7d690440$d42b93d4@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: Subject: Re: LoopIV sysex, etc. Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:14:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Subject: LoopIV sysex, etc. > Hey Claude, I finally downloaded the demo version of SoundDiver and tried > out your EDP LoopIV editor. Very nice! Much thanks for putting together > and posting a very useful tool! yes this was an important tool for debugging the sys transmittion, did you you also downloadmy excel Loop4 Direct midi page ?? did it work for you ? confident that it will help a lot of novice and experimented edp (loop4) user have a nice day Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 7 12:40:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09675; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:38:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:38:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:38:14 -0700 Subject: Re: Oakland, CA gig spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <005201c23e2c$afe1f720$0300a8c0@pacbell.net> Message-Id: <11C1E679-AA24-11D6-AC57-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 21 Grand (which isn't at 21 Grand anymore, it's now two blocks away). Click on the link and go to the site for info. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, August 7, 2002, at 09:08 AM, Anthony Justman wrote: > Matt: > > where's the oakland show? I'm in SF and would like to come. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "matt davignon" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 11:51 AM > Subject: re: Oakland, CA gig spam > > >> Thanks Mark! Sorry I haven't posted yet. This week is crazy at my job, >> and >> next week I have a show every other day. This is definitely the one I'm > the >> most excited about though. Rick and I have been planning it for over a > year! >> >>> Sunday, August 11 Oakland Looping Festival 8:00 $6-10 Sliding Scale >>> Rick Walker - Processed Live Percussion & Found Objects >>> Matt Davignon - Turntable, CD, and Tape >>> Bill Walker - Electronic Guitar >>> Scott "Kungha" Drengsen - Looped Fretless Bass >>> >>> 4 musicians exploring instruments combined with live electronic >>> processing/looping from different perspectives will present solo sets, >>> followed by collaborative improvisation. >>> more info at http://www.21grand.org/20020811.html >> >> The other two shows next week are: >> >>> Tuesday, August 13th, 8 pm >>> Black Box Theatre >>> Telegraph between 18th & 19th (one block from Bart) >>> Oakland, CA >>> $6-$1000 sliding scale >>> >>> Matt Davignon's "Tape Recorder" A project using 4 tape players with >>> field >>> recordings. Matt will also >>> presenting a new ambient project. >>> >>> Illuminated Orchestra (Group improvisation conducted through coloured. >>> lights) >>> >>> Ernesto Diaz-Infante, guitar John Shiurba, guitar Jim Ryan, sax and >>> flute >>> Jeff Hobbs, sax and coronet Jacob Lindsay, bass clarinet Ron Heglin, >>> trombone Damon Smith, bass Adam Lane, bass (?) Karen Stackpole, > percussion >>> Bob Marsh, conductor >> >>> Thursday, August 15, 2002, 8pm 509 Cultural Space 509 Ellis Street > between >>> Leavenworth & Hyde Sts San Francisco, CA >>> >>> Diaz-Infante hosts Company Night II (bay >>> area improvisers TBA are invited to perform in varying combinations) >> >> I'll be playing prepared acoustic guitar (something I do a lot at home, > but >> haven't done in public) plus springboard. >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 7 13:06:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13085; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:04:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:04:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020807170343.66854.qmail@web9501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:03:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Rockin Johnny Sea Subject: Unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1293993970-1028739823=:66536" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1293993970-1028739823=:66536 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Unsubscribe --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? 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Health - Feel better, live better --0-1293993970-1028739823=:66536-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 7 17:43:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05756; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:42:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:42:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:41:28 +0200 Subject: Re: DJRND3 in europe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3D4FC710.4BBA9D54@club-internet.fr> Message-Id: <6E03B726-AA4E-11D6-964A-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA05535 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all! Emmanuel was kind enough to visit my place this afternoon with the DJRND3 to give a demonstration, and I must admiy that I was pretty impressed! Although the unit is very much geared towards DJ's, it is to my knowledge the only hardware looper that allows you to mix 2 beat, 4,8,16,32,64 & 128 beat loops with each other. It is a very interesting invention!!! :) The DJRND3 is currently a one-off prototype. I really do hope for the looping community that Emmanuel finds a company who is willing to produce and distribute the unit in bulk. Thanks again Emmanuel... and GOOD LUCK!!!! On Tuesday, August 6, 2002, at 02:54 PM, Emmanuel PERILLE wrote: > My DJRND3 prototype is back in France. > Any one here in Europe to have a personnal demo ? > Please feel free to let me know > Thanks > Emmanuel Pérille > http://perso.club-internet.fr/perille > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 7 18:53:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14748; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:52:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:52:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: Subject: silent:listen Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:53:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2002 22:51:43.0471 (UTC) FILETIME=[002307F0:01C23E65] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com silent:listen a very sweet anagram food for thought on a quiet loopers delight day jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 7 20:51:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28167; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:50:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:50:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Thee Aace" To: Subject: sampler w/ real time speed control? Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:54:53 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <9Bd1XD.A.P2G.SAcU9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm looking for a sampler that can have it's speed/tempo increased or decreased in real time (i.e. while it's being played.) Possibly by a pad of some sort that can be hit by the drummer. Any suggestions? -Aaron From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 03:32:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06132; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:32:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:32:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:31:38 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_sampler_w/_real_time_speed_control=3F?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Italo_De_Angelis?=" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 3.0.1build13 R13 X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 151.24.0.134 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id DAA06043 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Aaron the Eventide DSP7500 or ORVILLE can do that, besides millions of other things. Try to read the manuals from www.eventide.com greetings Italo De Angelis > I'm looking for a sampler that can have it's speed/tempo increased or > decreased in real time (i.e. while it's being played.) Possibly by a pad of > some sort that can be hit by the drummer. Any suggestions? > -Aaron > > ___________________________________________ Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 05:49:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA21460; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 05:49:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 05:49:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <47.2119ba46.2a81b4ee@aol.com> References: <47.2119ba46.2a81b4ee@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:50:13 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: pcm42 mod? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >matthias, > >>I did it in my own, to 36 sec with tap tempo and multiply ;-) >did you implement 'reverse', and 'newloopstart/end', also? no, David, the LOOP delay did not have reverse either, because I did not think it was usefull (and I still dont use it in my music ;-) I am not sure what you mean by newloopstart/end, but I guess its like Record on the EDP? I dont think I was able to do the input and output switching, so I just had a tap tempo and had to operate the FB by foot to make sure that the new loop did not contain any of the old sound. And I did all this by extracting the original processor and building new counters on a separate board, so it not a mod that I would recommend to anyone :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 06:32:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA26627; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 06:32:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 06:32:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: active studio monitors Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:31:28 +0100 Message-ID: <1910D952BD2A644081D5E02474D0543D052B6A3D@en0004avexu1.global.avaya.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: active studio monitors Thread-Index: AcI+xu4ZaxtHbR/9SFSh4OPcINDZmA== From: "Richmond, James (James) ** CTR **" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id GAA26430 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Anyone have a recommendation for active studio monitor that have a great >range and a reasonable price? Hiya, Our definition of reasonable might be different, but I love my Dynaudio BM6a's- at £1000 a pair ish. Otherwise, Spirit Absolute Two's are quite decent, and Alesis have a new model of their Actives. M1A V2. They have reviewed well but I havnt heard them. Behringer, can shampoo my crotch. :-) JR From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 06:35:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA27108; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 06:35:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 06:35:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: Aaaaaaargh...FW: Out of Office AutoReply: active studio monitors Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:34:51 +0100 Message-ID: <1910D952BD2A644081D5E02474D0543D052B6A69@en0004avexu1.global.avaya.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Out of Office AutoReply: active studio monitors Thread-Index: AcI+xt7gd8EZ/9UlQ+KfMZ1DJwyNpAAAHMdQ From: "Richmond, James (James) ** CTR **" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id GAA27047 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all- did anyone else get this OOR when posting? How do we make it stop? JR -----Original Message----- From: Zola, Joanne [mailto:JZola@primediabusiness.com] Sent: 08 August 2002 11:32 To: Richmond, James (James) ** CTR ** Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: active studio monitors I am currently out of the office on vacation. Please contact Remix Sales Associate Josh Egelston @ jegelston@primediabusiness.com. Phone: 510.985.3209 I will be at back on Monday, August 12th. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 08:44:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08325; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:43:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:43:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: floydhead@floydhead.com Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:42:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200208081242.HAA23132@crows.siteprotect.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Unsubscribe Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Unsubscribe www.FLOYDHEAD.com The Floydian Propulsion Project The Artistic Electronica of Pink Floyd Check out the MP3's on the site -/\= Floydhead -/\= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 11:36:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30676; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:36:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:36:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c23ef2$5aaba000$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: Subject: sample based looping vs. delay looping Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:43:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C23EC8.718DB990" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C23EC8.718DB990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a Gibson echoplex and I just acquired an electrix repeater. One = of my primary goals in looping is to create multitimbral sustained = ambient drones. the echoplex does this very nicely with no pops or = other artifacts that occur as you record over the start point of your = loop. I was hoping to get a more versatile (and stereo) version of = this same ability in the repeater. Unfortunately, this was not to be. = After some experimentation, I discovered that on overdub, as a drone or = sustained note was recorded over the start point, there was a distinct = artifact (a popping sound sometimes, an amplitude inconsistency others). = I finally decided that this was because the echoplex is based on a = delay architecture rather than a sampler/recorder architecture like the = repeater. I think what is happening in the repeater is that on overdub = the sample is actually mixed and resampled with each pass rather than = the more traditional method of creating an infinite delay loop. The whole point of this is to ask these questions: Am I right or just = not using my repeater correctly? Is there a stereo delay type looper = out there in production or easily available? Are all "dj" oriented = loopers (djrnd3, red sound) like this? And finally, is this a quality = that loopers should address when reviewing devices for wonderful and = informative sites such as this one? thanx, lance ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C23EC8.718DB990 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a Gibson echoplex and I just = acquired an=20 electrix repeater.   One of my primary goals in looping is to = create=20 multitimbral sustained ambient drones.  the echoplex does this very = nicely=20 with no pops or other artifacts that occur as you record over the start = point of=20 your loop.   I was hoping to get a more versatile (and stereo) = version=20 of this same ability in the repeater.  Unfortunately, this was not = to be.=20 After some experimentation, I discovered that on overdub, as a drone or=20 sustained note was recorded over the start point, there was a distinct = artifact=20 (a popping sound sometimes, an amplitude inconsistency others).  I = finally=20 decided that this was because the echoplex is based on a delay = architecture=20 rather than a sampler/recorder architecture like the repeater. I think = what is=20 happening in the repeater is that on overdub the sample is actually = mixed and=20 resampled with each pass rather than the more traditional method of = creating an=20 infinite delay loop.
 
The whole point of this is to ask these = questions:=20 Am I right or just not using my repeater correctly?  Is there a = stereo=20 delay type looper out there in production or easily available?  Are = all=20 "dj" oriented loopers (djrnd3, red sound) like this? And = finally, is=20 this a quality that loopers should address when reviewing devices = for=20 wonderful and informative sites such as this one?
 
thanx,
lance
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C23EC8.718DB990-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 12:11:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02251; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:11:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:11:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cave@pop1.osk.3web.ne.jp X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Version 5.0.1-Jr1 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:11:38 +0900 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: [web cast spam] Live from Far East Vol.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, This is our next webcast gig info, "Live from Far East" Vol.6 is 10th Aug. 2002. You can see our gig via Real Player. Please visit below: http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east or http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east/broadcast sound$B!_(Bdance [solo solo] 10th Sat. Aug. 2002 at C.U.E. http://www.cavestudio.org/cue 19:30 - 21:30 (JST) - night = 10:30 - 12:30 (GMT) - noon = 2:30 - 4:30 (PST) - late night SOUND Machiko Kitagawa (Koto) http://member.nifty.ne.jp/SUSANOCLUB/ Sunao Inami (Synthesizer) http://www.cavestudio.com Ian Masters (Saw) http://www.dfuse.com/spoons/ DANCE Emi Makino Asako Iwasa Mutsumi Asada Broadcast http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east (Real Player G2 or higher required) from Kobe,Japan ___________ More Info: C.U.E. http://www.cavestudio.org/cue cue@cavestudio.org ______________________ Other news: Our CD shop and Label,C.U.E. records is below. http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/shop ______________________ Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 12:13:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02554; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:12:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:12:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Version 5.0.1-Jr1 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:13:09 +0900 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: [web cast spam] Live from Far East Vol.6 from Kobe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, This is our next webcast gig info, "Live from Far East" Vol.6 is 10th Aug. 2002. You can see our gig via Real Player. Please visit below: http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east or http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east/broadcast sound$B!_(Bdance [solo solo] 10th Sat. Aug. 2002 at C.U.E. http://www.cavestudio.org/cue 19:30 - 21:30 (JST) - night = 10:30 - 12:30 (GMT) - noon = 2:30 - 4:30 (PST) - late night SOUND Machiko Kitagawa (Koto) http://member.nifty.ne.jp/SUSANOCLUB/ Sunao Inami (Synthesizer) http://www.cavestudio.com Ian Masters (Saw) http://www.dfuse.com/spoons/ DANCE Emi Makino Asako Iwasa Mutsumi Asada Broadcast http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east (Real Player G2 or higher required) from Kobe,Japan ___________ More Info: C.U.E. http://www.cavestudio.org/cue cue@cavestudio.org ______________________ Other news: Our CD shop and Label,C.U.E. records is below. http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/shop ______________________ Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 12:18:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03060; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:17:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:17:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020808101819.00a5d990@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:18:19 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: sample based looping vs. delay looping In-Reply-To: <000e01c23ef2$5aaba000$69894682@lance> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is interesting, since I've recorded sustained drones with my voice and haven't had either problem mentioned here. This isn't the first message which mentions this, but I for one, haven't come across it. -Thankfully... The method I usually use is to record a blank loop and then simply overdub to create seamless drones. -And I'm not getting any artifacting. - creative language mods... lol! Anyway, -best of luck... Smiles, CQ At 10:43 AM 8/8/02 -0500, you wrote: > I finally decided that this was because the echoplex is based >on a delay architecture rather than a sampler/recorder architecture like >the repeater. I think what is happening in the repeater is that on overdub >the sample is actually mixed and resampled with each pass rather than the >more traditional method of creating an infinite delay loop. a >quality that loopers should address when reviewing devices for wonderful >and informative sites such as this one? thanx, lance --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 12:22:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03575; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:20:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:20:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020808101819.00a5d990@pop.earthlink.net> References: <3.0.5.32.20020808101819.00a5d990@pop.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:20:07 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: sample based looping vs. delay looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This is interesting, since I've recorded sustained drones with my voice >and haven't had either problem mentioned here. This isn't the first >message which mentions this, but I for one, haven't come across it. >-Thankfully... The method I usually use is to record a blank loop >and then simply overdub to create seamless drones. -And I'm not getting >any artifacting. - creative language mods... lol! Anyway, -best >of luck... Similar results with me: I do voice drones and overdub and it seems to work quite well for me too. /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 12:33:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04710; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:33:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:33:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:32:30 -0700 Subject: Re: sample based looping vs. delay looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020808101819.00a5d990@pop.earthlink.net> Message-Id: <6EFE5388-AAEC-11D6-87C8-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since I rarely do drones that have little variation, I had never come across this at all, but recently, I hit the Repeater with a sine wave to see what the fuss was all about. I did hear a little bump at some point in the loop. I was amazed that so much fuss was being made about it, but then again, I'm not trying to achieve a featureless drone in any of the music I do. I can't imagine you could keep your voice as a pure single note without inflection long enough to hear the bump that people have complained about, but it's surely there, and I imagine annoying if you're going for a certain sound. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, August 8, 2002, at 09:18 AM, Goddess wrote: > The method I usually use is to record a blank loop > and then simply overdub to create seamless drones. -And I'm not getting > any artifacting. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 12:42:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06515; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:41:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:41:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:40:22 -0700 Subject: Re: active studio monitors Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1910D952BD2A644081D5E02474D0543D052B6A3D@en0004avexu1.global.avaya.com> Message-Id: <884B97A2-AAED-11D6-87C8-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, August 8, 2002, at 03:31 AM, Richmond, James (James) ** CTR ** wrote: > > > Behringer, can shampoo my crotch. :-) > > JR > > I've actually been looking for a good crotch shampoo, would you say you found the Behringers to be the best out there for the job? I've found the Peavey's too drying. I need to be silky smooth and shiny. Full and bouncy. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 12:48:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07635; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:47:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:47:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.104.22.70] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Directions to Oakland Looping show Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 09:46:50 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2002 16:46:50.0742 (UTC) FILETIME=[31777160:01C23EFB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From Anthony Justman: > >Matt: >where's the oakland show? I'm in SF and would like to come. It's really easy to get there from SF. Just take Bart, get off at 19th Street Station in Oakland. (This is the business district, so it's really quiet up here at night.) Exit the station and head north on Broadway Street. Walk the 3 or 4 blocks to 23rd Street (which will be right after Grand Ave) and go left (west) onto 23rd. A couple doors down, you'll see the big 21 Grand sign. Then have fun. Matt _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 12:51:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08041; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:50:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:50:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020808105124.007f9750@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:51:24 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: sample based looping vs. delay looping In-Reply-To: <6EFE5388-AAEC-11D6-87C8-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: <3.0.5.32.20020808101819.00a5d990@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know, -I'm pretty darn good at hearing artifacts. lol! -I do alot of it for a living. and while I do know that the Repeater does produce them going in and out of recording and switching from forward to reverse and vice versa, with the method I used, I really don't hear them. I've also done it with guitar and synth, so the pitches are pretty constant. -which method did you use to record your sound? Anyway, thanks for the note. regarding the sender's original point, of the differences between sampling vs delay based loopers, do you have any insights? Smiles, CQ At 09:32 AM 8/8/02 -0700, you wrote: >Since I rarely do drones that have little variation, I had never come >across this at all, but recently, I hit the Repeater with a sine wave to >see what the fuss was all about. I did hear a little bump at some point >in the loop. I was amazed that so much fuss was being made about it, >but then again, I'm not trying to achieve a featureless drone in any of >the music I do. I can't imagine you could keep your voice as a pure >single note without inflection long enough to hear the bump that people >have complained about, but it's surely there, and I imagine annoying if >you're going for a certain sound. > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Thursday, August 8, 2002, at 09:18 AM, Goddess wrote: >> The method I usually use is to record a blank loop >> and then simply overdub to create seamless drones. -And I'm not getting >> any artifacting. > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 12:58:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09236; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:58:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:58:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020808165742.73941.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:57:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: sample based looping vs. delay looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000e01c23ef2$5aaba000$69894682@lance> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Lance Chance wrote: > I have a Gibson echoplex and I just acquired an electrix repeater. > One of my primary goals in looping is to create multitimbral > sustained ambient drones. the echoplex does this very nicely with no > pops or other artifacts that occur as you record over the start point > of your loop. I was hoping to get a more versatile (and stereo) > version of this same ability in the repeater. Unfortunately, this > was not to be. After some experimentation, I discovered that on > overdub, as a drone or sustained note was recorded over the start > point, there was a distinct artifact (a popping sound sometimes, an > amplitude inconsistency others). > The whole point of this is to ask these questions: Am I right or just > not using my repeater correctly? I've heard this too, and have seen a number of people complain about it in the past. For the music I make with my Repeater, it's pretty much never a problem. Like Mark, I had to go out of my way to even reproduce it after reading the complaints. I could get it using an Ebow on my guitar with a single note. You could hear a brief level difference at the loop point. But after layering other parts on it, especially some with a rhythm, I didn't consider that to be an issue. It may have done that because I wasn't very precise with where I started and stopped recording the drone. So, yeah, it does that, but it doesn't really bother me for what I do. A constant pure drone in the background would probably bug me more then inspire me, so it's not what I play. YMMV. > Is there a stereo delay type looper out there in production or > easily available? I'm not aware of any hardware-based loopers that do stereo, but I believe some of the software-based ones will. I suppose you could do "stereo" with a pair of EDPs synched. > Are all "dj" oriented loopers (djrnd3, red sound) like this? Sorry, I'm not familiar with any of those. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 13:04:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11387; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:04:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:04:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005001c23efe$536d9120$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <000e01c23ef2$5aaba000$69894682@lance> Subject: Re: sample based looping vs. delay looping Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:09:15 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <0TGusD.A.JxC.nRqU9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The "overdub on an empty loop" method is a good workaround for almost any looper to avoid loop-point artifacts on droney/floaty material. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance Chance" I have a Gibson echoplex and I just acquired an electrix repeater. One of my primary goals in looping is to create multitimbral sustained ambient drones. the echoplex does this very nicely with no pops or other artifacts that occur as you record over the start point of your loop. I was hoping to get a more versatile (and stereo) version of this same ability in the repeater. Unfortunately, this was not to be. After some experimentation, I discovered that on overdub, as a drone or sustained note was recorded over the start point, there was a distinct artifact (a popping sound sometimes, an amplitude inconsistency others). I finally decided that this was because the echoplex is based on a delay architecture rather than a sampler/recorder architecture like the repeater. I think what is happening in the repeater is that on overdub the sample is actually mixed and resampled with each pass rather than the more traditional method of creating an infinite delay loop. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 13:27:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14186; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:26:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:26:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-envelope-info: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:30:17 -0700 Subject: Re: sample based looping vs. delay looping Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--1018990193 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Landman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000e01c23ef2$5aaba000$69894682@lance> Message-Id: <81608F04-AAF4-11D6-AD41-00039375AF3C@sonic.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--1018990193 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Lance- This is a known weakness of the Repeater. Unlike the EDP, Repeater isn't=20= as adept at seamlessly creating an ambient drone in one step. One workaround that might help, If you create your loop on Repeater=20 first, (i.e. don't lay any sound down, just create a loop to set the=20 length), then overdub afterward, you'll get better results. Since you=20 can store loops on Repeater, this should be practical. Mark On Thursday, August 8, 2002, at 08:43 AM, Lance Chance wrote: > I have a Gibson echoplex and I just acquired an electrix repeater.=A0=A0= =20 > One of my primary goals in looping is to create multitimbral sustained=20= > ambient drones.=A0 the echoplex does this very nicely with no pops or=20= > other artifacts that occur as you record over the start point of your=20= > loop.=A0=A0 I was hoping to get a more versatile (and stereo) version = of=20 > this same ability in the repeater.=A0 Unfortunately, this was not to = be.=20 > After some experimentation, I discovered that on overdub, as a drone = or=20 > sustained note was recorded over the start point, there was a distinct=20= > artifact (a popping sound sometimes, an amplitude inconsistency=20 > others).=A0 I finally decided that this was because the echoplex is = based=20 > on a delay architecture rather than a sampler/recorder architecture=20 > like the repeater. I think what is happening in the repeater is that = on=20 > overdub the sample is actually mixed and resampled with each pass=20 > rather than the more traditional method of creating an infinite delay=20= > loop. > =A0 > The whole point of this is to ask these questions: Am I right or just=20= > not using my repeater correctly?=A0 Is there a stereo delay type = looper=20 > out there in production or easily available?=A0 Are all "dj" oriented=20= > loopers (djrnd3, red sound) like this? And finally,=A0is this=A0a = quality=20 > that loopers should address when reviewing devices for wonderful and=20= > informative sites such as this one? > =A0 > thanx, > lance --Apple-Mail-1--1018990193 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Lance- This is a known weakness of the Repeater. Unlike the EDP, Repeater isn't as adept at seamlessly creating an ambient drone in one step.=20 One workaround that might help, If you create your loop on Repeater first, (i.e. don't lay any sound down, just create a loop to set the length), then overdub afterward, you'll get better results. Since you can store loops on Repeater, this should be practical. Mark On Thursday, August 8, 2002, at 08:43 AM, Lance Chance wrote: ArialI have a Gibson echoplex and I just acquired an electrix repeater.=A0=A0 One of my = primary goals in looping is to create multitimbral sustained ambient drones.=A0 the echoplex does this very nicely with no pops or other artifacts that occur as you record over the start point of your loop.=A0=A0 I was hoping to get a more versatile (and stereo) version of this same ability in the repeater.=A0 Unfortunately, this was not to be. After some experimentation, I discovered that on overdub, as a drone or sustained note was recorded over the start point, there was a distinct artifact (a popping sound sometimes, an amplitude inconsistency others).=A0 I finally decided that this was because the echoplex is based on a delay architecture rather than a sampler/recorder architecture like the repeater. I think what is happening in the repeater is that on overdub the sample is actually mixed and resampled with each pass rather than the more traditional method of creating an infinite delay loop. =A0 ArialThe whole point of this is to ask these questions: Am I right or just not using my repeater correctly?=A0 Is there a stereo delay type looper out there in production or easily available?=A0 Are all "dj" oriented loopers (djrnd3, red sound) like this? And finally,=A0is this=A0a quality that loopers should address when reviewing devices for wonderful and informative sites such as this one? =A0 Arialthanx, Ariallance = --Apple-Mail-1--1018990193-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 13:37:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15442; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:35:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:35:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <46.2bb7f3b0.2a8405ae@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:34:38 EDT Subject: Re: pcm42 mod? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 8/8/2002 5:49:19 AM, matthias@grob.org writes: matthias, re: the below: i'm sorry; i may not have understood this, before: was the original LOOP based on the pcm42 hardware? best, dt / s-c >no, David, the LOOP delay did not have reverse either, because I did >not think it was usefull (and I still dont use it in my music ;-) >I am not sure what you mean by newloopstart/end, but I guess its like >Record on the EDP? I dont think I was able to do the input and output >switching, so I just had a tap tempo and had to operate the FB by >foot to make sure that the new loop did not contain any of the old >sound. >And I did all this by extracting the original processor and building >new counters on a separate board, so it not a mod that I would >recommend to anyone :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 13:59:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18860; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:57:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:57:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01c23f06$1c663850$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20020808101819.00a5d990@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20020808105124.007f9750@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: sample based looping vs. delay looping Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:04:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks you guys. I was indeed using a pure sine (kinda just as a test for my filter factory) and certainly the unit does seem to produce really nice loops from more dynamic material. Now that I think about it, I did a little voice drone experimentation with it when I first got it and didn't notice a problem. I was using a way low end sine last night and maybe frequency plays a part in producing the undesirable effects. I'm glad to hear that it wasn't just me and I'll try some other drony input. Maybe try a slip work-around on my low end stuff? thanx, lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goddess" To: Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 11:51 AM Subject: Re: sample based looping vs. delay looping > I don't know, -I'm pretty darn good at hearing artifacts. lol! > -I do alot of it for a living. and while I do know that the Repeater does > produce them going in and out of recording and switching from forward to > reverse and vice versa, with the method I used, I really don't hear them. > I've also done it with guitar and synth, so the pitches are pretty > constant. -which method did you use to record your sound? > Anyway, thanks for the note. regarding the sender's original point, of > the differences between sampling vs delay based loopers, do you have any > insights? > > Smiles, > > CQ > > At 09:32 AM 8/8/02 -0700, you wrote: > >Since I rarely do drones that have little variation, I had never come > >across this at all, but recently, I hit the Repeater with a sine wave to > >see what the fuss was all about. I did hear a little bump at some point > >in the loop. I was amazed that so much fuss was being made about it, > >but then again, I'm not trying to achieve a featureless drone in any of > >the music I do. I can't imagine you could keep your voice as a pure > >single note without inflection long enough to hear the bump that people > >have complained about, but it's surely there, and I imagine annoying if > >you're going for a certain sound. > > > >Mark Sottilaro > > > >On Thursday, August 8, 2002, at 09:18 AM, Goddess wrote: > >> The method I usually use is to record a blank loop > >> and then simply overdub to create seamless drones. -And I'm not getting > >> any artifacting. > > > > > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 14:48:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25870; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:47:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:47:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:47:25 -0700 Subject: Re: sample based looping vs. delay looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020808105124.007f9750@pop.earthlink.net> Message-Id: <47BF862C-AAFF-11D6-87C8-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, August 8, 2002, at 09:51 AM, Goddess wrote: > regarding the sender's original point, of > the differences between sampling vs delay based loopers, do you have any > insights? > I'm not sure I make that distinction. All loopers "sample." To me, it's a functionality thing. I can use the Repeater in ways that the listener wouldn't be able to tell the difference from an EDP and vise versa. I could use it in other ways that would make someone who knows say, "Oh he's using the because only that box has that functionality." Right now I'm not using the EDP and the Repeater together. I haven't found the "place" for the EDP in my setup that won't mean loosing my stereo setup. I also find it distracting to have to deal with two separate loopers, as I've already got a lot going on. I think the EDP will become my live box, while the Repeater will be my "studio" box. At least for now. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 15:06:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29183; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:05:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:05:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:04:57 -0700 Subject: Re: sample based looping vs. delay looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <004b01c23f06$1c663850$69894682@lance> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, August 8, 2002, at 11:04 AM, Lance Chance wrote: > Thanks you guys. I was indeed using a pure sine (kinda just as a test > for > my filter factory) and certainly the unit does seem to produce really > nice > loops from more dynamic material. Right. The "bump" that exists seems to be so subtle to me that I can't imagine it being noticeable unless you're drone is almost featureless. Is there a big need for that in most music? I've always been of the mind to think, a difference which makes no difference, is no difference. I always thought that people try to "break" their gear in a sense, then point to it and say, "It's not perfect!" Perfect is boring, though a certain amount of flaws can make or break a device. For instance, I could see someone saying, "The way I need a looper to work is to have it define the MIDI clock for me so all my other gear synchs to my loop." and then I'd say, "forget the Repeater." If someone said, "I'm going to create ambient drones and soundscapes on a looper." I would for sure say, "Get the Repeater." (if it did exist to be gotten) I guess if you went up to me and said, "I need a looper that will do seamless loops of dynamicless waveforms." I'd say, "you don't need a looper, you need a synth and a piece of duct tape." This method works really well, and good duct tape can be purchased in most grocery stores for very little. There were many performances that only used the Repeater at the Santa Cruz Loopfest, and there was not a single time that I thought, "Oh god! That bump! WHY NO SEAMLESS LOOPS!?" Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 15:06:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28776; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:02:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:02:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005a01c23f0e$943c0a50$1445a2d9@bruno95khhur67> From: "Urban Bieri" To: Subject: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:05:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0057_01C23F1F.54A2B2C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C23F1F.54A2B2C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I tested the loopstation RC-20 of Boss and the looping was very funny. = But there are some things that I' m missing on RC-20. I miss the = function of to work on a overdub, to delet a overdub, during the rest = plays. And there are very few memorys for the loops. Which loopstation = would you recommend me? Which are the differences between these = loopstations? Thanks for your efforts.. urban bieri ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C23F1F.54A2B2C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,
I tested the loopstation RC-20 of Boss and the looping = was very=20 funny. But there are some things that I' m missing on RC-20. I = miss=20 the function of to work on a overdub, to delet a overdub, during the = rest plays.=20 And there are very few memorys for the loops. Which loopstation would = you=20 recommend me? Which are the differences between these = loopstations?
Thanks=20 for your efforts..
urban bieri
------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C23F1F.54A2B2C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 15:11:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30372; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:10:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:10:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:09:45 -0700 Subject: Re: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005a01c23f0e$943c0a50$1445a2d9@bruno95khhur67> Message-Id: <66B1E91E-AB02-11D6-87C8-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA30299 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To this gigantic question I say click on this link: http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/tools.html Good luck, there's a lot to think about. It may be better to play with a few if you can, and find out what features you'd like for your music. Most consider the Echoplex Digital Pro from Gibson to be the best thing out there, but it really depends on what you're trying to achieve. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, August 8, 2002, at 12:05 PM, Urban Bieri wrote: > Hello, > I tested the loopstation RC-20 of Boss and the looping was very funny. > But there are some things that I' m missing on RC-20. I miss the > function of to work on a overdub, to delet a overdub, during the rest > plays. And there are very few memorys for the loops. Which loopstation > would you recommend me? Which are the differences between these > loopstations? > Thanks for your efforts.. > urban bieri From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 15:50:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02101; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:49:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:49:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c23f14$848c05a0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: sample based looping vs. delay looping Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:48:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Right. The "bump" that exists seems to be so subtle to me that I can't > imagine it being noticeable unless you're drone is almost featureless. > Is there a big need for that in most music? I've always been of the > mind to think, a difference which makes no difference, is no difference. > . . . As you say, it probably depends on how you're using your looper. Try looping a steady flute note. I could easily see somebody building up a drone of steady flute tones as a "valid" musical use. IMHO: The flute is nearly a perfect sine wave. (Ok, it is not nearly perfect if you put it on a spectrum analyzer, but it's pretty darn close compared to other instruments.) Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 15:51:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02634; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:50:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:50:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c23f15$f203e5c0$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <66B1E91E-AB02-11D6-87C8-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:58:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <5gLjZ.A.ao.CusU9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Urban, For editing purposes I would have to say that I'm really happy with the Electrix Repeater. It also sounds like real-time simultaneous function is important to you and the Repeater excels at that as well. I don't know if you saw my previous notes concerning certain shortcomings that I have noticed in the Repeater today. However, I assure you that despite these weaknesses, I think that it is a ground breaking machine. You better hop on it if you want one though, they are approaching retail price on ebay and they aren't making any more. lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:09 PM Subject: Re: > To this gigantic question I say click on this link: > > http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/tools.html > > Good luck, there's a lot to think about. It may be better to play with > a few if you can, and find out what features you'd like for your music. > Most consider the Echoplex Digital Pro from Gibson to be the best thing > out there, but it really depends on what you're trying to achieve. > > Mark Sottilaro > > > On Thursday, August 8, 2002, at 12:05 PM, Urban Bieri wrote: > > > Hello, > > I tested the loopstation RC-20 of Boss and the looping was very funny. > > But there are some things that I' m missing on RC-20. I miss the > > function of to work on a overdub, to delet a overdub, during the rest > > plays. And there are very few memorys for the loops. Which loopstation > > would you recommend me? Which are the differences between these > > loopstations? > > Thanks for your efforts.. > > urban bieri > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 16:30:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08817; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:28:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:28:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c23f1b$3357e3a0$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <66B1E91E-AB02-11D6-87C8-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <000c01c23f15$f203e5c0$69894682@lance> Subject: line 6 echo pro Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:35:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Say, have any of you guys had a chance to try out the line 6 echo pro studio modeler (the rack unit, not the stomp box). Does it have the "pitch-tune-by-delay-time-manipulation" feature missing on the stomp box? lance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 17:44:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18342; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:43:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:43:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020808044237.006d5554@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 04:42:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: EDP - Sync With Cubase Problem - Strange Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Well, I figured out how to sync the EDP to Cubase VST/32. Not that difficult! I surprised myself! But, here's the prob: I start Cubase (midi clock) and can see the EDP light each time on the downbeat. I press record just before I want to record a loop so that the EDP begins on the correct downbeat. It does. I hit record to stop the unit just before the end of a bar so the EDP records the number of bars I want for the loop. It does. The problem is that what I have recorded into the loop either plays once or not at all. I tried leaving the loop open (no sound) and using overdub to layer loops. The loops in Overdub don't seem to record. Feedback is all the way up. The unit is getting good signal. BTW, during the initial recording process, and the subsequent overdubbing process, Cubase is still running - sending MC. At on point, I stopped Cubase and the loop played to the end and stopped. Any ideas as to how I might get the loops to play as they usually do when I'm not syncing? Thanks! M... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 17:51:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19388; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:50:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:50:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c23f25$7ac3fe40$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <3.0.3.32.20020808044237.006d5554@mail.airmail.net> Subject: Re: EDP - Sync With Cubase Problem - Strange Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:49:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe a sample mode setting on EDP telling it to act like a sampler and only play once? Also- prob a good idea to filter out all unnecessary midi data headed for the EDP on the Cubase side- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Clark" To: Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:42 AM Subject: EDP - Sync With Cubase Problem - Strange > Hi, > > Well, I figured out how to sync the EDP to Cubase VST/32. Not that > difficult! I surprised myself! > Any ideas as to how I might get the loops to play as they usually do when > I'm not syncing? > > Thanks! > > M... > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 17:51:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19383; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:50:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:50:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005901c23f25$62df0cc0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <3.0.3.32.20020808044237.006d5554@mail.airmail.net> Subject: Re: EDP - Sync With Cubase Problem - Strange Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:48:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I start Cubase (midi clock) and can see the EDP light each time on the > downbeat. I press record just before I want to record a loop so that the > EDP begins on the correct downbeat. It does. I hit record to stop the > unit just before the end of a bar so the EDP records the number of bars I > want for the loop. It does. The problem is that what I have recorded into > the loop either plays once or not at all. I tried leaving the loop open > (no sound) and using overdub to layer loops. The loops in Overdub don't > seem to record. Feedback is all the way up. The unit is getting good signal. Hi Michael, (I'll ask a stupid question.) Are you sure the EDP is set to Loop and not Delay? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 18:08:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22763; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:07:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:07:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020808050701.006d808c@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 05:07:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: EDP - Sync With Cubase Problem - Strange In-Reply-To: <005901c23f25$62df0cc0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20020808044237.006d5554@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Dennis, Good question. The EDP is set to Loop. M... At 04:48 PM 8/8/02 -0500, you wrote: >> I start Cubase (midi clock) and can see the EDP light each time on the >> downbeat. I press record just before I want to record a loop so that the >> EDP begins on the correct downbeat. It does. I hit record to stop the >> unit just before the end of a bar so the EDP records the number of bars I >> want for the loop. It does. The problem is that what I have recorded >into >> the loop either plays once or not at all. I tried leaving the loop open >> (no sound) and using overdub to layer loops. The loops in Overdub don't >> seem to record. Feedback is all the way up. The unit is getting good >signal. > >Hi Michael, > >(I'll ask a stupid question.) Are you sure the EDP is set to Loop and not >Delay? > >Dennis Leas >------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 18:10:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23238; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:09:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:09:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020808050919.006d32f0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 05:09:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: EDP - Sync With Cubase Problem - Strange In-Reply-To: <000901c23f25$7ac3fe40$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20020808044237.006d5554@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Cliff, Well, I do have the metronome playing as a click track, but that's it. M... At 02:49 PM 8/8/02 -0700, you wrote: >Maybe a sample mode setting on EDP telling it to act like a sampler and only >play once? Also- prob a good idea to filter out all unnecessary midi data >headed for the EDP on the Cubase side- >Cliff > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Clark" >To: >Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:42 AM >Subject: EDP - Sync With Cubase Problem - Strange > > >> Hi, >> >> Well, I figured out how to sync the EDP to Cubase VST/32. Not that >> difficult! I surprised myself! > >> Any ideas as to how I might get the loops to play as they usually do when >> I'm not syncing? >> >> Thanks! >> >> M... >> >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 18:24:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25123; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:22:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:22:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c23f2a$061dfc80$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <3.0.3.32.20020808044237.006d5554@mail.airmail.net> <3.0.3.32.20020808050919.006d32f0@mail.airmail.net> Subject: Re: EDP - Sync With Cubase Problem - Strange Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:21:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <5CvnMD.A.yHG.f8uU9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well- you should filter anyway to make sure- I use my EDP synced to my Repeater all the time and never have a prob with the loop only playing once- definitely an EDP setup issue or a midi issue- filtering will narrow the search for the cause- Cubase start/stop messages may be wrong type or something- anyway it is so easy to filter in Cubase it is worth a try- let me know what happens- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Clark" To: Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 5:09 AM Subject: Re: EDP - Sync With Cubase Problem - Strange > Hi Cliff, > > Well, I do have the metronome playing as a click track, but that's it. > > M... > > At 02:49 PM 8/8/02 -0700, you wrote: > >Maybe a sample mode setting on EDP telling it to act like a sampler and only > >play once? Also- prob a good idea to filter out all unnecessary midi data > >headed for the EDP on the Cubase side- > >Cliff > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Michael Clark" > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:42 AM > >Subject: EDP - Sync With Cubase Problem - Strange > > > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> Well, I figured out how to sync the EDP to Cubase VST/32. Not that > >> difficult! I surprised myself! > > > >> Any ideas as to how I might get the loops to play as they usually do when > >> I'm not syncing? > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> M... > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 18:29:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26136; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:28:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:28:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020808222743.33013.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:27:43 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: Re: sample based looping vs. delay looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200208081906.PAA29627@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-fS0ZC.A.bXG.hBvU9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lance, i've also not had any trouble with artifacts on the repeater,even on really ambient drones. but maybe you could try increasing the feedback...might help... hold down overdub for a second (or so) to adjust the feedback. cheers, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 18:32:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26886; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:32:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:32:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020808223142.16893.qmail@web12001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:31:42 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: a new repeater issue To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200208081906.PAA29627@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i am having a problem with "warbling" playback that i had previously assumed was an issue with inconsistent MIDI clocking, but i'm having the same problems when i'm not trying to sync to anything. the repeater is in user mode for the tempo, i have an initial drum loop on track 1 that has no problems, but when i try to record any other tracks the pitch keeps warbling. very odd...doesn't seem to be doing it on any other loops though...it's the strangest damn thing... anyone had this happen? cheers phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 18:40:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28216; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:40:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:40:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c23f2c$72f58880$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <20020808223142.16893.qmail@web12001.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: a new repeater issue Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:39:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It may be the tempo getting re-set at the close of the second loop- try this- Press and hold the Sync button- you will hear the click track begin- continue holding sync button and turn down the click track volume to 0 using the Tempo dial- then release the sync button. No record your first loop, second loop as you normally would and see if the problem persists- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "philip raath" To: Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 3:31 PM Subject: a new repeater issue > i am having a problem with "warbling" playback > that i had previously assumed was an issue with > inconsistent MIDI clocking, but i'm having the same > problems when i'm not trying to sync to anything. > > the repeater is in user mode for the tempo, i have an > initial drum loop on track 1 that has no problems, but > when i try to record any other tracks the pitch keeps > warbling. very odd...doesn't seem to be doing it on > any other loops though...it's the strangest damn > thing... > > anyone had this happen? > > cheers > > phil > > ===== > "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what > it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. > It is the knowledge that there can never really be any > peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally > for you too." > -Frederick Buechner > "The jewel is in the lotus." > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 8 19:18:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00317; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:15:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:15:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501c23f1c$5cb2c890$6c87abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: References: <884B97A2-AAED-11D6-87C8-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: active studio monitors Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:44:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a word about the behringer monitors: i've used them for about two months. initially i was very happy to have found a cheap, good responsive solution; i just found they were a little too glassy at the top frequencies. later i discovered an internal vibration ( metallic) coming from them when feeded with a sustained frequency between 400 and 550 Hz. i brought them back to the shop and checked with the shop guy, we've found the frequency on a keyboard ( i don't remember which note it was). we checked other 3 pairs of the same model they had in the shop: each one was giving the same problem ! the shop guy was quite embarassed.... i returned my monitors back. we started to think it was a problem in the frequency on which the xover was setted to. i don't know, but it was absolutely annoying when using drones or long reverbs. so, check before buying ! luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 02:13:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA17924; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:11:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:11:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:10:16 +0200 Subject: Re: sample based looping vs. delay looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <7L99i.A.6WE.uz1U9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, August 8, 2002, at 09:04 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > The "bump" that exists seems to be so subtle to me that I can't imagine > it being noticeable unless you're drone is almost featureless. Its pretty noticable when I use open string and harmonic drones on the violin.... and yes, it is *HUGELY* noticable, and completely destroys the ambience that I am trying to create by introducing an unwanted and uncontrollable rhythmic click - which is pretty hard to try to play a non-bpm'd improvised gypsy solo over the top. I do not play with any other instruments/backing tracks to hide this glitch in the Repeater.... > Is there a big need for that in most music? Maybe not most music, but definitely some, including mine. I demonstrated this glitch to Emmanuel, first playing flawlessly on the DL4 to prove what I could do, then tried the same with the Repeater... it failed every time. -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 02:35:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20310; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:33:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:33:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 01:32:51 -0500 Subject: Re: sample based looping vs. delay looping From: Eric Williamson To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0S1iM.A.v6E.yI2U9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/9/02 1:10 AM, Stuart Wyatt at stuart@solostring.com wrote: > Its pretty noticable when I use open string and harmonic drones on the i got around this bump by _removing_ the feedback path from the repeater. yeah it's a bitch, but it works. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 02:52:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22026; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:50:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:50:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:49:49 +0200 Subject: Re: sample based looping vs. delay looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <335062F6-AB64-11D6-A18F-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, August 9, 2002, at 08:32 AM, Eric Williamson wrote: > i got around this bump by _removing_ the feedback path from the > repeater. Do you mean turning the feedback down (lets say to 0%)??? If so, it would be a bitch for me, as I like to layer up different harmonics on the drones to simulate a number of string players..... -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 03:38:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA27992; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 03:36:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 03:36:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 02:34:57 -0500 Subject: Re: sample based looping vs. delay looping From: Eric Williamson To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <335062F6-AB64-11D6-A18F-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9fO7EB.A.O0G._C3U9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/9/02 1:49 AM, Stuart Wyatt at stuart@solostring.com wrote: > Do you mean turning the feedback down (lets say to 0%)??? If so, it > would be a bitch for me, as I like to layer up different harmonics on > the drones to simulate a number of string players..... turn the feedback down to 0 percent, then feed the signal back through the mixer. or _a_ mixer, if you have more than one. it's a good enough delay that if your feedback path is clean it still sounds pretty good. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 03:56:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA30248; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 03:55:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 03:55:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:53:59 +0200 Subject: Re: sample based looping vs. delay looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <2A101396-AB6D-11D6-A18F-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <0rAxfC.A.lXH.7U3U9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > turn the feedback down to 0 percent, then feed the signal back through > the > mixer. or _a_ mixer, if you have more than one. > Its not an ideal option for me, but I'll give it a go :) Thanks! -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 09:44:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06239; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:43:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:43:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:45:03 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: EDP: The use of RoundMode Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com RoundMode is a LOOP3/4 parameter that defines whether the input to the loop is still open while Multiply or Insert is rounded up. As Kim discribed recently (I could not find it any more, he wrote a lot!), I love RoundMode=off, because I am more in control. I dont like to have my phrase recorded after I press StopMultiply, to some point that depends on where it started. I may not remember that point, especially in long multiplys and arhythmic loops, and I may have to stop playing to avoid that the end of rounding cuts a note. Yes I like the freedom to put the phrase into the cycle structure wherever I hear it. And when I feel or read from the green counter that the frase may become overlaping with itself (maybe just by a fading note!), I end Multiply with Overdub. This seems saver to me. I can press Overdub anytime and when I let it go, it ends imediately, whether we passed the end of the loop or not. This must be hard to read, so please try it! You may feel that its not just for my chaotic side that RoundMode=off is usefull ! ;-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 10:39:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13646; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:38:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:38:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 10:45:09 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: NYC: 8.10.2002, microtonal JI looping guitar, sitar, bowls and tibetan percussion To: Ohmbient list , extremeNY@topica.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, "3/2, 7/4, 9/8..." Message-id: <003e01c23fb3$5c326e60$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_cyJ99W49I3kTXDdS2nq0RA)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_cyJ99W49I3kTXDdS2nq0RA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Saturday, August 10, 2002 Solos, duos and trios: David Beardsley (microtonal JI looping guitar), Dawoud (sitar) and Darren (bowls and tibetan percussion). 8pm-??? The Three Jewels, 211 East 5th St. (right next door to Downtown Music Gallery!) 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Saturday, August 10, 2002

Solos, duos and trios: David Beardsley (microtonal JI looping guitar),
Dawoud (sitar) and Darren (bowls and tibetan percussion). 
 
8pm-???
The Three Jewels,  211 East 5th St.
(right next door to Downtown Music Gallery!)
(212) 475-6650
donation to Three Jewels suggested
 
 
 
--Boundary_(ID_cyJ99W49I3kTXDdS2nq0RA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 11:26:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20732; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:26:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:26:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <12.2384554e.2a8538cd@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:25:01 EDT Subject: Re: EDP: The use of RoundMode To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here indeed are Kim's word's of wisdom on RoundMode:- Once you have the basic idea of using Multiply, one parameter you might want to experiment with in conjunction with Multiply is called RoundMode. This determines whether the Echoplex continues adding new material to the Loop after you have tapped Multiply the second time and it is rounding off the loop to the next cycle. The default is "off", meaning it does not add anything new that you play as it rounds off. This is how Matthias likes it since he plays very intuitively and just wants to know that anything he plays in between the taps is added as a longer loop, without focusing much on which multiple he is on or where in the cycle he is. On the other hand, I tend to think rather metrically while I play, and I like to know exactly which measure I'm in and what beat. I find it very useful that I can do the second multiply tap somewhere before the end of the measure while I am still playing, and the echoplex will neatly round off to the end of the measure and capture everything I play up to that exact point. So I put RoundMode = rnd. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 11:37:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22101; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:36:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:36:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020809153548.46708.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:35:48 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: Sony VAIO and laptop workstations in general To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200208081906.PAA29627@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd shopping around for a new laptop that will be my primary workstation. right now I'd leaning towards a refurbished SONY VAIO fx-300. any opinions on this, insight as VAIO performance as a workstation? i know dt has one on his gear list, but does anyone else use a VAIO? obviously i'm aware that performance is based on the hardware in the computer, as opposed to the brand name's on computers. i'm just open any suggestions/thoughts on this one. can i run logic platinum on a laptop w/ a PIII 1.0 Ghz, 256+ megs of RAM, and be relatively assured of smooth performance? what else do i REALLY need to take into account? i don't feel like dealing with dell, their laptops don't come w/ hard drives above 2400 rpm, to my knowledge, and toshiba is way out of my price range right now. (i start at oberlin in two weeks: $35,000 a year, dude!) thanks, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 12:10:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27849; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:09:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:09:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:08:48 -0700 Subject: Re: sample based looping vs. delay looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <49A5E039-ABB2-11D6-87C8-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, August 8, 2002, at 11:10 PM, Stuart Wyatt wrote: > .... and yes, it is *HUGELY* noticable, and completely destroys the > ambience that I am trying to create by introducing an unwanted and > uncontrollable rhythmic click - which is pretty hard to try to play a > non-bpm'd improvised gypsy solo over the top. I do not play with any > other instruments/backing tracks to hide this glitch in the Repeater.... Huh, that's not at all what I'm hearing. I agree that what you're describing would be annoying, even in the music that I do, but I'm just getting a slight volume fluxuation. No "click". What I'm talking about sounds to me like a 40 msec slight increase in volume. Could it be that some boxes have different issues? Could it be the CFC card? Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 12:10:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28063; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:09:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:09:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:09:27 -0700 Subject: Re: sample based looping vs. delay looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <6122D546-ABB2-11D6-87C8-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What does this mean? Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, August 8, 2002, at 11:32 PM, Eric Williamson wrote: > on 8/9/02 1:10 AM, Stuart Wyatt at stuart@solostring.com wrote: >> Its pretty noticable when I use open string and harmonic drones on the > > i got around this bump by _removing_ the feedback path from the > repeater. > > yeah it's a bitch, but it works. > > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 12:21:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30017; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:20:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:20:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Sony VAIO and laptop workstations in general Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:04:55 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20020809153548.46708.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since Apple bought Emagic, I would take a hard look at getting a Powerbook! _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ > -----Original Message----- > From: philip raath [mailto:philraath@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 8:36 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Sony VAIO and laptop workstations in general > > > I'd shopping around for a new laptop that will be my > primary workstation. > > right now I'd leaning towards a refurbished SONY VAIO > fx-300. > > any opinions on this, insight as VAIO performance as a > workstation? i know dt has one on his gear list, but > does anyone else use a VAIO? > > obviously i'm aware that performance is based on the > hardware in the computer, as opposed to the brand > name's on computers. i'm just open any > suggestions/thoughts on this one. > > can i run logic platinum on a laptop w/ a PIII 1.0 > Ghz, > 256+ megs of RAM, and be relatively assured of smooth > performance? what else do i REALLY need to take into > account? > > i don't feel like dealing with dell, their laptops > don't come w/ hard drives above 2400 rpm, to my > knowledge, and toshiba is way out of my price range > right now. (i start at oberlin in two weeks: $35,000 a > year, dude!) > > thanks, > > phil > > ===== > "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what > it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. > It is the knowledge that there can never really be any > peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally > for you too." > -Frederick Buechner > "The jewel is in the lotus." > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 12:30:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31690; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:29:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:29:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 11:28:06 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Sony VAIO and laptop workstations in general To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <009101c23fc1$be117b90$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com that sounds more like a reason not to use emagic software. > > Since Apple bought Emagic, I would take a hard look at getting a Powerbook! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 13:07:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05310; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:05:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:05:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Server-Uuid: 4520D425-5A30-451F-8662-E5DDF307F3B1 Message-ID: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34CB49@ENTCOEXCH13> From: "Lanpheer, James A" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Sony VAIO and laptop workstations in general Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:02:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 114D2A7B659817-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Agreed. I wouldn't touch Emagic with a thirty-foot poll after they dropped 35% of their client base like a hot potato. How could you trust such a company to support you long term, when one day, they're recommending that you buy a dual-processor Intel system and a week later, they're not supporting it, and encouraging you to "come on over" and buy an Apple? I know some people that REALLY got hosed by this, and i was within a couple weeks of being hosed myself. This is the mark of a company with someone else's interests in mind other than the artists that they claim to support. cheers, jim. -----Original Message----- From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:28 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sony VAIO and laptop workstations in general that sounds more like a reason not to use emagic software. > > Since Apple bought Emagic, I would take a hard look at getting a Powerbook! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 13:20:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07326; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:17:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:17:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <20020809153548.46708.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Sony VAIO and laptop workstations in general Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:16:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2002 17:16:48.0671 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B8762F0:01C23FC8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > i don't feel like dealing with dell, their laptops > don't come w/ hard drives above 2400 rpm, to my > knowledge, and toshiba is way out of my price range > right now. (i start at oberlin in two weeks: $35,000 a > year, dude!) > You can't use the internal dell sound card while powering the unit from mains. I would assume you would be getting an external sound card in any case, but having a 'free' stereo output is always nice - especially since Logic can't 'release ASIO in background' so auditioning sound files and editing mid session would require another out. I also second the opinion of steering clear of Logic. If you stick with the PC, you have a program that will never get upgraded, or have it's current set of 'quirks' worked upon. If you switch to Apple, you have no reason to expect that the same won't happen. There has been more than a little specualtion that Apple intends to turn Logic into a mass market program, and/or use it's development resources for more lucrative projects. Besides, now that I've actually looked at it, Cubase SX is actually a better designed program. It's not perfect, but at least they've improved the GUI and midi engine since 1995 :> bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 13:32:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09194; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:31:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:31:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.6; T1.001; A1.47; B2.12; Q2.03) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:30:34 UT From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Epoch: 1028914235 X-Sasl-enc: PKWJ7HGic+QUs6ecs26byw Subject: Re: Sony VAIO and laptop workstations in general Message-Id: <20020809173035.02C9A2FD65@server3.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use a VAIO gr laptop with winXP and a US-428 and it's been a smooth ride. Has been very stable with just about every audio software I've tried, and I never feel like I'm pushing it too hard. I don;t know if the fx models are as good though, but VAIO's in general seem to be pretty dependable. I had a desktop before this one, and while it had winME which was a nightmare, the computer itself performed well. this is a PIII 1.13GHz, btw Ernesto On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:35:48 -0700 (PDT), "philip raath" said: > I'd shopping around for a new laptop that will be my > primary workstation. > > right now I'd leaning towards a refurbished SONY VAIO > fx-300. > > any opinions on this, insight as VAIO performance as a > workstation? i know dt has one on his gear list, but > does anyone else use a VAIO? -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm/ - The professional email service From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 13:32:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09228; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:31:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:31:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c23fca$91aef060$0101a8c0@o4z6b8> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: Subject: Repeater and CFC brands Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:31:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C23FDB.53E80EE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Messaggio in formato MIME composto da più parti. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C23FDB.53E80EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all. This thread might seem a repetition, but I have read all the = backing mails regarding this and, as I received not long ago the = Repeater I decided to ask again. Has anyone here tried any other brand = of CFCs on their repeater? Here I find it difficult to find Simpletechs = and Kingmaxes, so I am forced to find other cfcs for my repeater. I and = a friend of mine have tried almost ten different brands of Compact flash = memory cards on our repeaters, and have found only a working one. We = have tried, in the order, Sandisk (weren't they one of the brands tested = by electrix?), Hama, TDK, Kodak, Memorex, Verbatim, Integra and all of = them were too slow for the repeater to even work in stereo. The only = brand that we could find that is working well is INTENSO, which (as all = sub-brands) could be inconsistent, as far as memory quality. We found = the 64 Mb to work really great, while the 256 Mb shows a little = problem... The first loop recorded after a format says the cfc is slow, = but after an erase operation it works well and becomes really reliable. = Has any of you found some other working brands?=20 The funny thing is that I have been looking on the web, and (apart from = Simpletech, Kingmax and Hamlet) no cfc producer seems to give = informations regarding the speed of the cfcs. Thanks Peace Luigi ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C23FDB.53E80EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all. This thread might seem a = repetition, but I=20 have read all the backing mails regarding this and, as I received not = long ago=20 the Repeater I decided to ask again. Has anyone here tried any other = brand of=20 CFCs on their repeater? Here I find it difficult to find Simpletechs and = Kingmaxes, so I am forced to find other cfcs for my repeater. I and a = friend of=20 mine have tried almost ten different brands of Compact flash memory = cards on our=20 repeaters, and have found only a working one. We have tried, in the = order,=20 Sandisk (weren't they one of the brands tested by electrix?), Hama, TDK, = Kodak,=20 Memorex, Verbatim, Integra and all of them were too slow for the = repeater to=20 even work in stereo. The only brand that we could find that is = working well=20 is INTENSO, which (as all sub-brands) could be inconsistent, as far as = memory=20 quality. We found the 64 Mb to work really great, while the 256 = Mb shows a=20 little problem... The first loop recorded after a format says the cfc is = slow, but after an erase operation it works well and becomes really = reliable. Has any of you found some other working brands?
The funny thing is that I have been = looking on the=20 web, and (apart from Simpletech, Kingmax and Hamlet) no cfc = producer seems=20 to give informations regarding the speed of the cfcs.
 
Thanks
Peace
Luigi
------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C23FDB.53E80EE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 13:33:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09562; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:32:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:32:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020809102813.035b9e98@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 10:34:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP - Sync With Cubase Problem - Strange In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20020808044237.006d5554@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com in addition to what some others suggested, you might try: - make sure the feedback knob (or pedal) is not accidently turned down to 0%. - make sure that cubase isn't sending the MIDI continuous controller for feedback and accidently setting it to 0%. - check the SamplerStyle parameter is set to the default value of "run". If it were on Once or Attack it might do what you are describing. kim At 04:42 AM 8/8/2002, Michael Clark wrote: >I start Cubase (midi clock) and can see the EDP light each time on the >downbeat. I press record just before I want to record a loop so that the >EDP begins on the correct downbeat. It does. I hit record to stop the >unit just before the end of a bar so the EDP records the number of bars I >want for the loop. It does. The problem is that what I have recorded into >the loop either plays once or not at all. I tried leaving the loop open >(no sound) and using overdub to layer loops. The loops in Overdub don't >seem to record. Feedback is all the way up. The unit is getting good signal. > >BTW, during the initial recording process, and the subsequent overdubbing >process, Cubase is still running - sending MC. > >At on point, I stopped Cubase and the loop played to the end and stopped. > >Any ideas as to how I might get the loops to play as they usually do when >I'm not syncing? ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 13:36:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10511; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:34:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:34:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.6; T1.001; A1.47; B2.12; Q2.03) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:34:13 UT From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Epoch: 1028914453 X-Sasl-enc: f1u+g08p8uEGvTMKwzdM9w Subject: Re: Sony VAIO and laptop workstations in general Message-Id: <20020809173413.155BF2FD65@server3.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:16:47 -0700, "Jonathan El-Bizri" said: > Besides, now that I've actually looked at it, Cubase SX is actually a > better > designed program. It's not perfect, but at least they've improved the > GUI > and midi engine since 1995 :> Yeah, SX is nice, although I wish they'd put words on the buttons, instead of little icons that make absolutely no sense. Ernesto -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm/ - Access your email from home and the web From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 14:13:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16582; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:11:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:11:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <20020809173413.155BF2FD65@server3.fastmail.fm> Subject: Re: Sony VAIO and laptop workstations in general Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:10:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2002 18:10:44.0908 (UTC) FILETIME=[1479F6C0:01C23FD0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you hover for a moment, the words come up. My biggest issues with it so far are - no multitake midi recording. - looping mouse controls are clunky There seems to be a much bigger reliance on key commands than in logic (not that you couldn't assign everything to keys in logic, if yo wanted) Then there's also the fact that I'm running poorly cracked software, and probably will be for the near term future. I have no intention of plucking down another $400 to cross grade from Logic, having just upgraded from 4.0 to 5.0. If software providers are going to behave like pirates, it's a bit hard to figure out why I shouldn't too. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ernesto schnack" To: Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:34 AM Subject: Re: Sony VAIO and laptop workstations in general > On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:16:47 -0700, "Jonathan El-Bizri" > said: > > Besides, now that I've actually looked at it, Cubase SX is actually a > > better > > designed program. It's not perfect, but at least they've improved the > > GUI > > and midi engine since 1995 :> > > Yeah, SX is nice, although I wish they'd put words on the buttons, > instead of little icons that make absolutely no sense. > > Ernesto > > > -- > ernesto schnack > http://schnack.does.it > > -- > http://fastmail.fm/ - Access your email from home and the web > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 14:15:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16804; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:13:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:13:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:12:30 EDT Subject: Re: sample based looping vs. delay looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Stuart Wyatt wrote: >> .... and yes, it is *HUGELY* noticable, and completely destroys the >> ambience that I am trying to create by introducing an unwanted and >> uncontrollable rhythmic click - which is pretty hard to try to play a > >> non-bpm'd improvised gypsy solo over the top. I do not play with any > >> other instruments/backing tracks to hide this glitch in the Repeater.... thought the repeater isn't my first choice for fluid a-rhythmic/quasi-rhythmic looping: when i do that on the unit, there is no clicking, here. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 14:21:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17674; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:20:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:20:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <103.199b65db.2a85619e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:19:10 EDT Subject: OT: Re: Sony VAIO and laptop workstations in general To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com philraath@yahoo.com writes: >i know dt has one on his gear list, but >does anyone else use a VAIO? i have a vaio slimtop-desktop. it's almost stable, though i truly dislike the OS (w-NT) and its unwelcoming attitude towards both new sw and new hw-devices. get a powerbook, or even an ibook. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 14:29:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18436; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:28:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:28:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.6; T1.001; A1.47; B2.12; Q2.03) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:28:19 UT From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Epoch: 1028917700 X-Sasl-enc: l6B4JY8M+enhRaKHa+vNDg Subject: Re: Sony VAIO and laptop workstations in general Message-Id: <20020809182819.92D862FD0A@server3.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:10:43 -0700, "Jonathan El-Bizri" said: > If you hover for a moment, the words come up. > I know, still annoying though... > Then there's also the fact that I'm running poorly cracked software, you too? :D Out of curiosity, does the Step Filter work on yours? Ernesto -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm - the way email *should* be From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 14:35:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19066; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:34:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:34:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:33:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200208091433.AA1417085092@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Sony VAIO and laptop workstations in general X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <7_7qD.A.WpE.UsAV9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a VAIO laptop that I used to do a lot of music stuff on. I haven't as much recently because I bought an 828 that was supposed to work with it, but doesn't. So now I do a lot more of my music stuff on a dell desktop with a firewire card. I still use my vaio for doing stuff on the road. It works just fine. I run a bunch of different audio apps on it without much problem or too limited track counts. If you are getting a machine just to do audio processing, though, I'd definitely recommend a MAC over a PC. My next laptop will be a powerbook, definitely. If you already own Logic, and don't want to spend the cash for a different software package, I'd just get the VAIO. The only thing I don't like about them is their somewhat dismal tech support (hardware repairs I've done with them have been fine, but good luck finding new drivers or anything like that). Kevin ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: philip raath Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:35:48 -0700 (PDT) >I'd shopping around for a new laptop that will be my >primary workstation. > >right now I'd leaning towards a refurbished SONY VAIO >fx-300. > >any opinions on this, insight as VAIO performance as a >workstation? i know dt has one on his gear list, but >does anyone else use a VAIO? > >obviously i'm aware that performance is based on the >hardware in the computer, as opposed to the brand >name's on computers. i'm just open any >suggestions/thoughts on this one. > >can i run logic platinum on a laptop w/ a PIII 1.0 >Ghz, >256+ megs of RAM, and be relatively assured of smooth >performance? what else do i REALLY need to take into >account? > >i don't feel like dealing with dell, their laptops >don't come w/ hard drives above 2400 rpm, to my >knowledge, and toshiba is way out of my price range >right now. (i start at oberlin in two weeks: $35,000 a >year, dude!) > >thanks, > >phil > >===== >"Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what >it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. > It is the knowledge that there can never really be any >peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally >for you too." > -Frederick Buechner >"The jewel is in the lotus." > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs >http://www.hotjobs.com > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 15:00:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21995; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:59:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:59:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D54115C.CF1BD074@friendlyspider.com> Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 14:02:33 -0500 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sony VAIO and laptop workstations in general References: <20020809153548.46708.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7P1PQ.A.jEF.nDBV9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A Mac ibook or, even better, Powerbook is the best laptop solution, hands down, for audio. But if you need to traverse to the dark side.... I recommend www.microexpress.net I have one of their Windows laptops and it is a great machine. They consistently get great reviews in Laptop magazines. They include firewire on board like the Sony Vaio, have large screens and great graphics cards. They don't advertise.... they only sell direct but they have been in biz for awhile.... Very good tech support. http://www.microexpress.net/ -- gary @friendlyspider.com philip raath wrote: > I'd shopping around for a new laptop that will be my > primary workstation. > > right now I'd leaning towards a refurbished SONY VAIO > fx-300. > > any opinions on this, insight as VAIO performance as a > workstation? i know dt has one on his gear list, but > does anyone else use a VAIO? > > obviously i'm aware that performance is based on the > hardware in the computer, as opposed to the brand > name's on computers. i'm just open any > suggestions/thoughts on this one. > > can i run logic platinum on a laptop w/ a PIII 1.0 > Ghz, > 256+ megs of RAM, and be relatively assured of smooth > performance? what else do i REALLY need to take into > account? > > i don't feel like dealing with dell, their laptops > don't come w/ hard drives above 2400 rpm, to my > knowledge, and toshiba is way out of my price range > right now. (i start at oberlin in two weeks: $35,000 a > year, dude!) > > thanks, > > phil > > ===== > "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what > it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. > It is the knowledge that there can never really be any > peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally > for you too." > -Frederick Buechner > "The jewel is in the lotus." > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 15:01:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22387; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:00:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:00:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 12:10:31 -0700 From: Anthony Justman Subject: Re: D-Two Looper Settings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <026101c23fd8$703b1040$0300a8c0@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <92.28c98f95.2a64518d@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 9:25 AM Subject: Re: D-Two Looper Settings > Hello. Thanks very much for the additional info. For a long time I used > a Digitech RDS 7.6 and I added a Jamman to it later. I really enjoyed using > the RDS 7.6 more than the Jamman. At the time the RDS 7.6 came out it was a > Looping Delay. It worked on the same principal of using 100% feedback to > infinitely sustain whatever was recorded into it. It did also have an > infinite repeat button. Does the D2 have one? no button, but in a sub menu that you can adjust. you could also control with midi, so it would be easy to adjust to 100% or 0%. no reason why you cannot set to 100% feeback. > BTW, if you use a 10 second Delay (mono) does the D2 only output on one > channel? dunno the answer to that one; I'll have to try. also, it's not completely clear to me that you can use up all 10 sec in a single tap delay; I think that it's 10 sec total in rhythm delay mode. someone correct me if I'm wrong. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 15:01:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22388; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:00:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:00:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: LoopIV sysex, etc. Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:00:21 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <001601c23dde$69f393c0$52b0bfa8@hppav> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes! Being able to configure a preset to use a pedal when you don't yet have one plugged in is very handy. But let me explain my question a little better... These two scenarios lead to the same situation: 1) Plug in a feedback pedal. Set Loop/Delay to "Flip." Now unplug the pedal. Press PARAMETERS then LOOP/DELAY. You'll see "noP" displayed as the Loop/Delay setting. (What dat mean?) 2) Without a feedback pedal plugged in, send a sysex message to cofigure Loop/Delay of preset 0 to "Flip". Now press PARAMETERS then LOOP/DELAY. You'll see "noP" displayed as the Loop/Delay setting. So at this point, do a long press of PARAMETERS to return to play mode. Tap RECORD. EDP starts recordings. Tap RECORD. EDP stops recording and initiates playback. But what Loop/Delay setting was actually used? I can't tell from the front panel because it shows as "noP". - Dennis Leas -----Original Message----- From: Rick Williamson [mailto:rdwiv@webtv.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 1:48 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LoopIV sysex, etc. > BTW: Say that I send a sysex message to set Loop/Delay to "Flip" but a > feedback pedal is not plugged in. The displayed value of Loop/Delay (as > shown on the EDP) is "noP" but what is the mode really? > The mode is Flip, but will not work without the pedal plugged in. A sysex message can patch the EDP into any of the modes that require a pedal, without a pedal actually plugged in. That lets you create presets that may or may not reflect how you currently have the footswitches & pedals configured. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 15:18:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25023; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:16:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:16:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <20020809182819.92D862FD0A@server3.fastmail.fm> Subject: Re: Sony VAIO and laptop workstations in general Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:16:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2002 19:16:09.0058 (UTC) FILETIME=[3773BC20:01C23FD9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, but all midi recording is shifted about a 1/8 note early. I sincerely >hope< it's copy protection... Furthermore, the audio recording starts recording only noise after working with a file for a while. I guess you could say I'm still using logic :> Step filter works fine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ernesto schnack" To: Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:28 AM Subject: Re: Sony VAIO and laptop workstations in general > On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:10:43 -0700, "Jonathan El-Bizri" > said: > > If you hover for a moment, the words come up. > > > > I know, still annoying though... > > > Then there's also the fact that I'm running poorly cracked software, > > you too? :D Out of curiosity, does the Step Filter work on yours? > > Ernesto > > -- > ernesto schnack > http://schnack.does.it > > -- > http://fastmail.fm - the way email *should* be > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 15:34:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27173; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:33:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:33:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 14:32:53 -0500 From: Skip Subject: Re: Sony VAIO and laptop workstations in general In-reply-to: <200208091433.AA1417085092@mail.unitcircle.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3fBnF.A.0nG.mjBV9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I second the Mac comments. For elegance and ease of use, it's Mac hands down. And my little iBook (which runs every program I throw at it) only cost $1100. Add a USB or Firewire audio interface and you're set. My only complaint is how long it's taking software companies to write OS X versions of their programs. MOTU is porting Digital Performer and Bias has already ported Deck, but Digidesign (I use PTFree) is dragging their heels. I'm hoping that Apple's working on some Logic fueled audio program of their own (ala Final Cut Pro). Not that it's THAT big a deal...I only recently switched my non-audio life to OS X, so I just reboot into 9 when I'm working on audio. I have a feeling we'll see most programs OS X by the end of the year. -12 >> I'd shopping around for a new laptop that will be my >> primary workstation. >> >> right now I'd leaning towards a refurbished SONY VAIO >> fx-300. >> >> any opinions on this, insight as VAIO performance as a >> workstation? i know dt has one on his gear list, but >> does anyone else use a VAIO? >> >> obviously i'm aware that performance is based on the >> hardware in the computer, as opposed to the brand >> name's on computers. i'm just open any >> suggestions/thoughts on this one. >> >> can i run logic platinum on a laptop w/ a PIII 1.0 >> Ghz, >> 256+ megs of RAM, and be relatively assured of smooth >> performance? what else do i REALLY need to take into >> account? >> >> i don't feel like dealing with dell, their laptops >> don't come w/ hard drives above 2400 rpm, to my >> knowledge, and toshiba is way out of my price range >> right now. (i start at oberlin in two weeks: $35,000 a >> year, dude!) >> >> thanks, >> >> phil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 15:39:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28130; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:38:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:38:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020809193745.49057.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:37:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Pedro Felix Subject: Re: sample based looping vs. delay looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000e01c23ef2$5aaba000$69894682@lance> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lance - most people (myself included) miss the fact that the RPTR literature states that it is a "loop based recorder" which I think answers most questions. not sure about Perille's gear or the RS item, but check 'em all out in a hands on manner if at all possible is my best advice. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 --- Lance Chance wrote: > I have a Gibson echoplex and I just acquired an > electrix repeater. One of my primary goals in > looping is to create multitimbral sustained ambient > drones. the echoplex does this very nicely with no > pops or other artifacts that occur as you record > over the start point of your loop. I was hoping to > get a more versatile (and stereo) version of this > same ability in the repeater. Unfortunately, this > was not to be. After some experimentation, I > discovered that on overdub, as a drone or sustained > note was recorded over the start point, there was a > distinct artifact (a popping sound sometimes, an > amplitude inconsistency others). I finally decided > that this was because the echoplex is based on a > delay architecture rather than a sampler/recorder > architecture like the repeater. I think what is > happening in the repeater is that on overdub the > sample is actually mixed and resampled with each > pass rather than the more traditional method of > creating an infinite delay loop. > > The whole point of this is to ask these questions: > Am I right or just not using my repeater correctly? > Is there a stereo delay type looper out there in > production or easily available? Are all "dj" > oriented loopers (djrnd3, red sound) like this? And > finally, is this a quality that loopers should > address when reviewing devices for wonderful and > informative sites such as this one? > > thanx, > lance > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 15:51:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30716; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:50:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:50:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c23fdd$f4190d40$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Rptr click track correction Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:49:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C23FA3.442093C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C23FA3.442093C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In regards to my previous suggestion for warbling Rptr playback- You = hold the Tempo Lock button down for click track not the Sync button- = Cliff =20 http://www.om-studios.com ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C23FA3.442093C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In regards to my previous suggestion for warbling = Rptr=20 playback- You hold the Tempo Lock button down for click track not the = Sync=20 button- Cliff
   
http://www.om-studios.com ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C23FA3.442093C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 16:04:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00903; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:03:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:03:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <178.cb9068a.2a8579c2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:02:10 EDT Subject: OT -- New Steve Tibbets CD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, For those of you loop-folk who may like his stuff already, my own copy of Steve Tibbett's new CD, "Man About a Horse" came from Amazon.com today and is currently spinning very, VERY loudly in the next room. The new CD is as quirky (alternately lush and then suddenly "gnarly") as the best of his previous work . . . IMOHO. But this time out he does some of his own percussion (along with the brilliant Marc Andeson and Marcus Wise). Still stubbornly mining away at the same general vein of "Safe Journey" (a personal favorite) and "Exploded View" (another fave) this new disc has moments of more fire and grit than either. Tibbetts is a looper of long standing (at least as far as his live performance methods are concerned) but he's a "found sound" loop sampling fool too. Anywho, this one is another cool, weird record from someone who has made many. End of mini-review . . . Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 16:47:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05794; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:46:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:46:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c23fe5$ae2339c0$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT: Note for mono Electrix users Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:45:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C23FAA.F8E45920" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C23FAA.F8E45920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was confused as to how to set my Filter Queen up for mono operation- = the manual was unclear etc. and Jamie of Electrix said the use of a = summing splitter was necessary. I was very surprised by this- this post = has more info: http://www.electrixpro.com/UBB/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000084.html Cliff http://www.om-studios.com ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C23FAA.F8E45920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was confused as to how to set my Filter Queen up = for mono=20 operation- the manual was unclear etc. and Jamie of Electrix said the = use of a=20 summing splitter was necessary. I was very surprised by this- this post = has more=20 info:
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http://www.om-studios.com ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C23FAA.F8E45920-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 18:44:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20815; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:43:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:43:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: mahijiru.cspc.us: www-data set sender to erwill@suitandtieguy.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sample based looping vs. delay looping Message-ID: <1028932956.3d54455c62282@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 18:42:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Williamson References: <6122D546-ABB2-11D6-87C8-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> In-Reply-To: <6122D546-ABB2-11D6-87C8-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 216.166.195.91 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Mark Sottilaro : > What does this mean? it means kickin' it old school! the input of the delay is fed from a mixer. the mixer mixes two sources: your delay output, and the "feed" to the delay. your looper output would either be the output of the mixer, or the output of the delay, depending on the application. i used to do it with my RDS8000, because the delay feedback wasn't high enough for looping. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 18:47:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21359; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:46:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:46:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: EDP: The use of RoundMode Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:47:19 -0500 Message-ID: <011001c23ff6$b7d4b370$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <12.2384554e.2a8538cd@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Here indeed are Kim's word's of wisdom on RoundMode:- > > > Once you have the basic idea of using Multiply, one parameter > you might want to experiment with in conjunction with > Multiply is called RoundMode. This determines whether the > Echoplex continues adding new material to the Loop after you > have tapped Multiply the second time and it is rounding off > the loop to the next cycle. The default is "off", meaning it > does not add anything new that you play as it rounds off. > This is how Matthias likes it since he plays very intuitively > and just wants to know that anything he plays in between the > taps is added as a longer loop, without focusing much on > which multiple he is on or where in the cycle he is. On the > other hand, I tend to think rather metrically while I play, > and I like to know exactly which measure I'm in and what > beat. I find it very useful that I can do the second multiply > tap somewhere before the end of the measure while I am still > playing, and the echoplex will neatly round off to the end of > the measure and capture everything I play up to that exact > point. So I put RoundMode = rnd. > How do you put the EDP into RoundMode = rnd? Is this something you control real time, on-the-fly? Thanks, M. Steven Ginn ******************************** Please go to Listen to the music. Purchase the CD Support the NY Firefighters 9/11 Relief Fund ******************************** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 18:56:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22496; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:55:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:55:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <12f.15aa1034.2a85a232@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:54:42 EDT Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Check=20out=20Harmony=20Central=AE:=20Major=20OS=20?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Update=20for=20Ztars=20Released?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12f.15aa1034.2a85a232_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_12f.15aa1034.2a85a232_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thought this might be of interest to some of de folks.....michael.....Click=20 here: Harmony Central=AE: Major OS Update for Ztars Released=20 --part1_12f.15aa1034.2a85a232_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thought this might be of= interest to some of de folks.....michael.....Click here: Harmony Central=AE:=20= Major OS Update for Ztars Released --part1_12f.15aa1034.2a85a232_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 19:01:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23074; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:56:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:56:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <6122D546-ABB2-11D6-87C8-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <1028932956.3d54455c62282@www.suitandtieguy.com> Subject: Re: sample based looping vs. delay looping Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:57:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2002 22:55:44.0934 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4E2DC60:01C23FF7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com let me guess: engage dry-mute first right...? > the input of the delay is fed from a mixer. the mixer mixes two sources: your > delay output, and the "feed" to the delay. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 19:22:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26565; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:21:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:21:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 01:20:33 +0200 Subject: Re: sample based looping vs. delay looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <49A5E039-ABB2-11D6-87C8-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: <9AC335D6-ABEE-11D6-B887-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, August 9, 2002, at 06:08 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Huh, that's not at all what I'm hearing. I agree that what you're > describing would be annoying, even in the music that I do, but I'm just > getting a slight volume fluxuation. No "click". I think what I am hearing is a volume fluctuation, but to me, it adds a beat to the loop - hence why I called it a click (am I making sense?). It introduces rhythm into a space where I dont want it... I'll try and record an mp3 of what my playing sounds like on the DL4, and try the same using a pre-recorded empty loop on the Repeater. > What I'm talking about sounds to me like a 40 msec slight increase in > volume. To me, it sounds much more than that.... I'll definitely have to upload a sample. > Could it be that some boxes have different issues? Possible. I've read on the Electrix forums some strange problems that other people have had that I have not experienced. > Could it be the CFC card? I doubt it. I've tried two (both 32Mb Scandisk), and the problem is still there. :( I'm thinking seriously about getting an Echo Pro.... a rack mounted version of my beloved DL4. I know it does not have midi sync for the loops, but the freedom that the unit offers in its sheer simplicity is amazing. Anyone know if the loop sampler is in stereo? -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 19:29:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27794; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:28:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:28:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:27:31 EDT Subject: Re: sample based looping vs. delay looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sw, In a message dated 8/9/2002 7:21:31 PM, stuart@solostring.com writes: >I doubt it. I've tried two (both 32Mb Scandisk), and the problem is >still there. :( right, but..... while there were issues with *all* cfc's, only the simpltech cards were officially approved for repetitve consumption. so: do you have the same problem when recording to internal ram? best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 21:33:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05211; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 21:32:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 21:32:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 21:31:56 -0400 Subject: Peavy PC1600X From: David Myers To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry to put this up more than once, but this list is probably one of the biggest user bases for the unit. After this, I'm off to ebay... Brand new Peavy PC1600X midi controller, 16 long-throw faders and buttons, jog wheel, backlit display & a multitude of ways to assign controllers to your MIDI data. Stop mousing around--this is the Rolls Royce of its kind, only powered up about a half hour! Just paid $350, so be gentle with me.... David Lee Myers http://www.pulsewidth.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 22:08:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08956; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 22:08:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 22:08:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: sample based looping vs. delay looping Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 21:08:27 -0500 Message-ID: <011501c24012$d11071a0$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <9AC335D6-ABEE-11D6-B887-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Stuart, I have had this problem with my Repeater, Electrix was aware of the problem and was supposed to release a fix for it at a future date. Well we know how that story ended ... Anyway, this was the final straw that prompted me to get an EDP, and BTW the EDP does not have this problem at all ... Smooth as silk (of course unless I personally do something wrong in the creation of the drone that causes a bump). I wish the EDP was stereo, with its own effects loop, but I guess I will be able to work this out somehow in the routing through my mix busses. Regards, Steve > > On Friday, August 9, 2002, at 06:08 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > Huh, that's not at all what I'm hearing. I agree that what you're > > describing would be annoying, even in the music that I do, > but I'm just > > getting a slight volume fluxuation. No "click". > > I think what I am hearing is a volume fluctuation, but to me, > it adds a > beat to the loop - hence why I called it a click (am I making > sense?). > It introduces rhythm into a space where I dont want it... > I'll try and > record an mp3 of what my playing sounds like on the DL4, and try the > same using a pre-recorded empty loop on the Repeater. > > > What I'm talking about sounds to me like a 40 msec slight > increase in > > volume. > > To me, it sounds much more than that.... I'll definitely have > to upload > a sample. > > > Could it be that some boxes have different issues? > > Possible. I've read on the Electrix forums some strange problems that > other people have had that I have not experienced. > > > Could it be the CFC card? > > I doubt it. I've tried two (both 32Mb Scandisk), and the problem is > still there. :( > > I'm thinking seriously about getting an Echo Pro.... a rack mounted > version of my beloved DL4. I know it does not have midi sync for the > loops, but the freedom that the unit offers in its sheer > simplicity is > amazing. Anyone know if the loop sampler is in stereo? > > -- > Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project > http://www.solostring.com > stuart@solostring.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 9 22:37:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10842; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 22:36:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 22:36:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D547B7E.4000305@minds-eye.org> Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 19:33:34 -0700 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loop Subject: OT: Anyone use WaveLab? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was wondering if anyone has had any experience using Wavelab (3.04). I've got a copy that refuses to recognize my CD burner (a TDK 40x burner). I've downloaded the latest drivers but they still don't seem to recognize it. Anyone have any experience with the program or how to point it to the right device? The help section hasn't been very useful in this regard. Thanks Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 00:53:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00849; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 00:52:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 00:52:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 23:46:13 -0500 Subject: tools of the trade | lo-fi looper! From: adam To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-J7_4D.A.xM.kvJV9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello not sure if this device has been covered. i think it definitely qualifies as a tool of the trade. 20 seconds of pure analog looping! http://www.zvex.com/junky.html adam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 01:16:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08340; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 01:16:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 01:16:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 22:18:10 -0700 Message-ID: <3D52BC0900001890@mta08.san.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: RE: tools of the trade | lo-fi looper! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id BAA08286 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I love ZVEX FX! :) Zach works really hard to come up with things that don't sound like anything else... :) peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 23:46:13 -0500 >Subject: tools of the trade | lo-fi looper! >From: adam >To: >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >hello > >not sure if this device has been covered. i think it definitely qualifies >as >a tool of the trade. > >20 seconds of pure analog looping! > >http://www.zvex.com/junky.html > >adam > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 02:11:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16206; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 02:10:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 02:10:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: burnett@pobox.com X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 02:14:46 -0400 (EDT) X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tools of the trade | lo-fi looper! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <38gpwC.A.I8D.D5KV9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, adam wrote: > not sure if this device has been covered. i think it definitely qualifies as > a tool of the trade. > > 20 seconds of pure analog looping! > > http://www.zvex.com/junky.html There was some discussion of this pedal a couple of times, I think when it was announced, and then shortly after it shipped. Try checking the mailing list archives on the loopers delight website for the comments at the time. I've had a Z-Vex Loop Junky since the first week they shipped in March. It's a "performance-oriented sampler" rather than a "real-time looper" by the definitions on the tools of the trade page, as it will record a sample and play it back, but will not allow you to sample new sound while the current loop is playing. It's intentionally low-fidelity. The tone and volume knobs affect the playback of the sample, the record level and the vibrato affect the incoming sample. It'll store the 20sec loop without needing to be plugged in. A small switch allows you to archive the sample, thereby avoiding accidentally erasing something you wanted to have with you. It's again lo-fi so it'll never sound exactly like the original sound going in, but that can be cool to work with. It's small enough to fit in my shirt pocket, and doesn't need a wallwart power adaptor. I like mine and have no intentions of getting rid of it. :) I used it last week as the last item going into the amp: as the first item plugged into the amp working backwards from amp to instrument, I was able to bring a pre-recorded loop, plug in the amp, add the Loop Junky and hit the play button to provide a burbling loop while I finished setting up the rest of the pedal chain and the other guys were bringing in their gear (art gallery show opening: the earlier we had any sound at all the better to set the mood). That helped. best, Steve Burnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 02:32:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA18842; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 02:31:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 02:31:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 02:30:55 EDT Subject: Re: EDP - Sync With Cubase Problem - Strange To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >want for the loop. It does. The problem is that what I have recorded into > >the loop either plays once or not at all. I tried leaving the loop open > >(no sound) and using overdub to layer loops. The loops in Overdub don't > >seem to record. Actually, this sounds like something to do with the EDP syncing to an external source. (not sure tho' ....Matthias????......Claude???) If the sync comes late, the EDP retriggers, and all is well. If the early, the EDP can jump back a whole loop, and any overdub is lost. I think there's some kind of a workaround for this, try turning down feedback a bit and see if things improve. Or try putting a very slight tempo increase into the sequence. I haven't had this happen myself though, so no guarantees. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 03:57:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31860; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 03:57:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 03:57:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 09:56:35 +0200 Subject: Re: sample based looping vs. delay looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, August 10, 2002, at 01:27 AM, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > do you have the same problem when recording to internal ram? Yup.... :( -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 04:05:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA01375; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 04:04:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 04:04:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: EDP: The use of RoundMode Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 10:04:04 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <011001c23ff6$b7d4b370$420e88cf@stevespc> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <4lmeF.A.RV.RkMV9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fran: M. Steven Ginn [mailto:sginn@airmail.net] > How do you put the EDP into RoundMode = rnd? Is this something you > control real time, on-the-fly? > > Thanks, > > > M. Steven Ginn I'm doing it on-the-fly with my FCB1010 by calling up different EDP programs (send midi program change). But first I had to set up all the EDP programs with the settings I want to use - rounded and not rounded, with different 8th/cycle settings, sustitute/replace etc etc... Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com Phone +46 (0)8 341181 Mobile +46 (0)70 4416713 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 04:12:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA01873; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 04:12:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 04:12:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c101c24046$36e59860$679fbfa8@hppav> From: "Rick Williamson" To: References: Subject: Re: LoopIV sysex, etc. Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 03:16:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I could be wrong here but "noP" is probaly an error code for no pedal. > So at this point, do a long press of PARAMETERS to return to play mode. Tap > RECORD. EDP starts recordings. Tap RECORD. EDP stops recording and > initiates playback. But what Loop/Delay setting was actually used? I can't > tell from the front panel because it shows as "noP". > A this point send an edit buffer request. Preset zero 240 0 1 48 $3 1 18 0 19 0 247 $3 is the device id Then check this byte from the returned sysex message 240 0 1 48 11 1 1 13 0 13 0 0 "0" 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 247 If it's = 7 the Loop/Delay setting is Flip. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 08:25:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA18117; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 08:23:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 08:23:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: vi8mjuan@kyamk.fi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: active studio monitors Message-ID: <1028982191.3d5505afd1f77@neri.kyamk.fi> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 15:23:11 +0300 (EEST) References: <884B97A2-AAED-11D6-87C8-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <003501c23f1c$5cb2c890$6c87abd4@giow2000> In-Reply-To: <003501c23f1c$5cb2c890$6c87abd4@giow2000> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.8 X-Originating-IP: 194.211.41.76 X-Organization: Kymenlaakso Polytechnic X-Abuse-info: please report possible abuse to abuse@kyamk.fi X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That sucks.. too bad since the price were just about right for this size of speakers.. I usually prefer not to buy used speakers but now it seems to be only choice for my budget. well I have Tannoy Reveal Passives and going to use those and add some more since need 5.1 There is interesting subwoofer at Tannoy that does have full 5+1 amplifiers for all speakers. but I guess Behringer is going to fix this if not already done. .jukka Lainaus luca : > a word about the behringer monitors: > i've used them for about two months. > initially i was very happy to have found a cheap, good responsive > solution; > i just found they were a little too glassy at the top frequencies. > later i discovered an internal vibration ( metallic) coming from them > when > feeded with a sustained frequency between 400 and 550 Hz. > i brought them back to the shop and checked with the shop guy, we've > found > the frequency on a keyboard ( i don't remember which note it was). > we checked other 3 pairs of the same model they had in the shop: each > one > was giving the same problem ! > the shop guy was quite embarassed.... > i returned my monitors back. > we started to think it was a problem in the frequency on which the xover > was > setted to. > i don't know, but it was absolutely annoying when using drones or long > reverbs. > so, check before buying ! > luca > > > \---------------------------------------------------/ This mail sent through IMP @ https://neri.kyamk.fi/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 10:50:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27701; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 10:49:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 10:49:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 07:49:37 -0700 Subject: Re: sample based looping vs. delay looping From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <011501c24012$d11071a0$420e88cf@stevespc> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/9/02 7:08 PM, M. Steven Ginn at sginn@airmail.net wrote: > I wish the EDP was stereo, with its own effects loop, I've been thinking of late that the ideal next generation product for estimated complexity of development v. bang-for-the-buck would be a stereo EDP. The software ought to be reasonably straightforward being largely just a doubling of the sample size. My biggest concern is that there's a 68000 in the EDP and I think it runs out of address lines at 16 megabytes. Replacing the processor would introduce a lot more flux into the process. The idea would be to reduce the hardware replication one gets in having two EDPs. This would also make the LoopIV pedal modes work better in the stereo EDP case. I would love to see an effects loop, but once again that's a much more significant redesign of both the hardware and software. On a pricing front, it probably needs to have a street price of just under $1000. The EDP seems to go for between $649 and $749. Twice that is a fair chunk of change for stereo and $1000 is more or less a psychological barrier. Kim and Matthias can now explain why this isn't reasonable. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 12:01:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01443; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:00:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:00:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020810160015.1259.qmail@web12008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 09:00:15 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #518 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200208100611.CAA16566@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks to all who have replied to this, lots of good perspectives/opinions here...hearing decent things about the vaio from people who use windows, i'm just about to check out the microexpress link, so thanks fer that... not to start any OS wars here, but my problem with macs is that i simply DESPISE the OS and interface. it just seems ridiculously nonfunctional to me, even after years of trying to adjust. by the same token, i concur w/ mr. torn on windows xp and the like. it's a piece of shit. for me i don't think it's gotten better than win 98SE in terms of intelligent/tweakable interface and functionality. but i am starting to consider the dark side...yes indeedy... thanks again all, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 13:45:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08310; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 13:45:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 13:45:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 10:44:43 -0700 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #518 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020810160015.1259.qmail@web12008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, August 10, 2002, at 09:00 AM, philip raath wrote: > not to start any OS wars here, but my problem with > macs is that i simply DESPISE the OS and interface. it > just seems ridiculously nonfunctional to me, even > after years of trying to adjust. by the same token, i > concur w/ mr. torn on windows xp and the like. it's a > piece of shit. > Compared to what? I'm not saying that the Mac or it's imitator Windows is great, but I've always found the Mac to be very intuitive for most things. The problem with the 2 OSs, for me, is that they tend to look and behave a lot a like, but then NOT. It's the parts that look like they should work the same, but don't that bug me. Are you looking for a UNIX command line interface? There's always OSX if you're looking for such things in a commercial OS. I'd go into the lack of music software, at this time, for that platform, but I think we've been there. I'm in OSX most of the time, and switch to OSX for audio. It's not the best solution, but I'm being patient. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 14:48:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13230; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:42:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:42:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <17b.cb8ff07.2a86b879@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:42:01 EDT Subject: Re: sample based looping vs. delay looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes: >Kim and Matthias can now explain why this isn't reasonable. ..... and, i hope they do, but: i suspect that the next edp-type thing from aurisis will hafta use a different processor. stereo would be nice, storage & recall would be nice, polyphonic capability would be nice, but..... there are still *many, many* things possible in the realm of 'real'-time audio manipulation..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 15:17:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16409; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 15:16:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 15:16:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <19a.6c144e4.2a86c072@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 15:16:02 EDT Subject: Re: sample based looping vs. delay looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sginn@airmail.net writes: >I have had this problem with my Repeater, Electrix was aware of the >problem and was supposed to release a fix for it at a future date. that is interesting, as i have not had that particular problem w/my 2-1/2 repeaters..... but, i don't use them for 'drones', too often. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 15:17:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16412; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 15:16:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 15:16:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020810120934.00b71e88@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:15:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: OT: Anyone use WaveLab? In-Reply-To: <3D547B7E.4000305@minds-eye.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use Wavelab 4.0 and haven't had any problems since updating the CD burner list. I didn't know that 40x burners even existed yet (at least on a consumer level), so it may just be that your drive is too new to be supported. I'd call e-mail their technical support and request a driver. -Hans At 19:33 09/08/2002, you wrote: >I was wondering if anyone has had any experience using Wavelab (3.04). >I've got a copy that refuses to recognize my CD burner (a TDK 40x >burner). I've downloaded the latest drivers but they still don't seem to >recognize it. Anyone have any experience with the program or how to point >it to the right device? The help section hasn't been very useful in this >regard. > >Thanks > >Kevin > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 17:09:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25220; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:07:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:07:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c240b2$c120bde0$97c8cb97@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <3D52BC0900001890@mta08.san.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: tools of the trade | lo-fi looper! Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:13:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <1caFgC.A.0JG.XCYV9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And, I suggest, the Lo-Fi Loop Junky "features" list is something all loopists can all enjoy and appreciate with a smile! Lo-Fi Loop Junky -- What it does and features it has: 1] Records up to 20 seconds of your performance. 2] Allows you to initiate and finish a recording at any moment with a stomp switch, when activated. 3] Begins looping a few thousandths of a second after the record process is finished. 4] Remembers your loop even when unplugged or with the battery removed, for up to 100 years. 5] Has true bypass. 6] The true-bypass switch initiates loop playback from the sample's beginning at any time. 7] Has vibrato with speed and depth controls, allowing a vibrato/chorus/Leslie-like shimmer. 8] Has very slow vibrato speed for warped-record effects, to very fast for jiggly playback. 9] Has real clocked-analog recording with no analog-to-digital conversion. 10] Records using velvety compression for a smooth organ-like sound. 11] Allows overdriven recording of storage cells using 'record level' control. 12] Has a tone control that rolls off hiss and other annoying artifacts for burbling, mellow samples. 13] Has hiss! Lots of it! It's analog, remember, with no noise-reduction, and it's lo-fi. 8^) 14] Has very limited frequency response. Nothing above 2.6 kHz. Brick-wall filtering. 15] Has a safety-switch to protect a favorite sample from being recorded over accidentally. 16] Plays back at any volume, louder than your direct guitar if you wish. 17] Has a gorgeously transparent guitar preamp built-in to give your direct guitar a glistening finish. 18] Really small footprint, like a fuzz factory. 19] Draws as little as 2 mA from the battery when in bypass mode, and about 12 mA when activated. 20] Smells great. 21] Features aliasing artifacts, distortion, hiss, out-of-tune effects, strange behavior, and long battery life. 22] Allows loop erasure during bypass, resulting in a looping hiss sample. 23] Never sounds like what you played into it. Always alters the original tone and dynamics. 24] No learning curve! Five simple knobs, two stomp-switches for bypass and record, and a safety switch. 25] Has simple LED status indicator. Lights up solid while recording, blinks once at the end of every loop. Stops in bypass mode. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Roberts" To: Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 1:18 AM Subject: RE: tools of the trade | lo-fi looper! > I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I love ZVEX FX! :) Zach works > really hard to come up with things that don't sound like anything else... > :) > > peace > -cpr > > >-- Original Message -- > >Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 23:46:13 -0500 > >Subject: tools of the trade | lo-fi looper! > >From: adam > >To: > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > >hello > > > >not sure if this device has been covered. i think it definitely qualifies > >as > >a tool of the trade. > > > >20 seconds of pure analog looping! > > > >http://www.zvex.com/junky.html > > > >adam > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 17:11:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25535; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:10:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:10:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c240b3$32f47380$97c8cb97@hppav> From: "David" To: "David" , Subject: Cambridge, MA - 11th hr gig spam Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:16:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 11th-hr Gig SPAM I'll be doing UNDOing stuff later tonight... Saturday, August 10th UNDO: 9:00 - 10:00 Otto's Daughter (from NYC): 10:15 - 11:00 All The Queen's Men: 11:15 - 12:00 One of Us: 12:15 - 1:15 The Pond at the Hideaway Pub 20 Concord Lane, Cambridge, MA 617-661-5000 As always, bring your consciousness however you will. David Kirkdorffer UNDO From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 17:48:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27838; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:48:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:48:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020810144634.024dd3d0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:50:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: EDP: The use of RoundMode In-Reply-To: <011001c23ff6$b7d4b370$420e88cf@stevespc> References: <12.2384554e.2a8538cd@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:47 PM 8/9/2002, M. Steven Ginn wrote: >How do you put the EDP into RoundMode = rnd? you go to the parameter called RoundMode, and change it between "off" and "rnd". >Is this something you control real time, on-the-fly? usually not. most people set it one way they like and leave it there forever. Some people might change it once in a while depending on what they need for a particular piece of music. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 18:23:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30768; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:21:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:21:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 15:21:36 -0700 Subject: Re: EDP - Sync With Cubase Problem - Strange Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20020808050919.006d32f0@mail.airmail.net> Message-Id: <8895C99C-ACAF-11D6-8B9B-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Could the metronome be sending out midi note messages on a channel that the EDP is set to listen to? This could explain the weirdness, as you might be sending it odd messages. Clock goes out to all channels, so you might want to change the channel of the EDP and see what happens. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, August 8, 2002, at 05:09 AM, Michael Clark wrote: > Hi Cliff, > > Well, I do have the metronome playing as a click track, but that's it. > > M... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 21:02:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14056; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 21:02:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 21:02:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005b01c240d3$7d137720$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping's 3rd Anniversary with SYLKEN Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 21:07:39 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow - It's The Ambient Ping's THIRD Anniversary Special. Thanks to everyone who's supported the Ping all this time! I always try to book something special and significant for anniversary shows & this year is no exception. ... Scott M2 THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday August 13th - SYLKEN (formerly Random Act) The Ambient Ping's Third Anniversary Special features the expansive sound worlds of SYLKEN - Eric Hopper's ensemble of Toronto's finest ambient musicians. This show features Eric on synthesizers & effects with Wally Jericho on trumpet, bass & loops and Steven Sauve (karmafarm) on yet more synthesizers, treatments & loops. Special guest Robert Hoare (visiting from Berlin) will be sitting in for the second set on sax, flute, loops & treatments. This evening is also the official release event of SYLKEN's beautiful new CD "Illusions Of Light" which includes tracks recorded live at the Ping with Wally & Steven. Those outside of Toronto can hear mp3 samples & order the CD through James Johnson's Zero Music. http://www.zeromusic.net Sylken - http://www.mp3.com/Random_Act Wally Jericho - http://www.wallyjericho.com Steven Sauve - http://www.karmafarm.ca Rob Hoare - http://www.robhoare.de Between Sets CD - "still coiled" by still coiled A spontaneously created dreamscape blending dark ambience, world and chill, recorded live at The Ambient Ping on November 27th 2001 by Rob Greenway (brilliantfish) and Jim Field (Rhea's Obsession). (BrilliantFishMusic/DivineDissonance) http://www.brilliantfish.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . @ PiNG THiNGS - The Tuesday night ambient/chillout/experimental music CD boutique at C'est What will be offering "bonus" CDs on a regular basis. Buy any CD this week (including the new SYLKEN & "still coiled" discs) & receive a free copy of "secrets and lies" the 6 track EP by Mara's Torment. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Check out the musical treats at the PiNG THiNGS ambient/experimental CD boutique. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday August 20th from Vancouver - coin gutter http://www.vanityrecords.com/gutter.html Between Sets CD - "Origins" by Steve Roach http://www.steveroach.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 21:03:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12396; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 20:58:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 20:58:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c240d2$1a06ac70$5fe2fea9@bxmm101> From: "dp" To: Subject: midi things Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 20:57:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C240B0.91CF9F40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C240B0.91CF9F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i saw this question posted in the archives but couldn't find an answer = so apologies for any repeats. i want to have my fcb1010 to control both my repeater and echoplex. so, = the fcb1010 goes to echoplex midi in; and echoplex midi thru goes to = repeater midi in. and this is working fine, but now what's the easiest = way to sync the two since the clock goes out of midi out? do i need = some kind of midi merge box? thanks dp ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C240B0.91CF9F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i saw this question posted in the = archives but=20 couldn't find an answer so apologies for any repeats.
 
i want to have my fcb1010 to control = both my=20 repeater and echoplex.  so, the fcb1010 goes to echoplex midi in; = and=20 echoplex midi thru goes to repeater midi in.  and this is working = fine, but=20 now what's the easiest way to sync the two since the clock goes out = of midi=20 out?  do i need some kind of midi merge box?
 
 
thanks
dp
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C240B0.91CF9F40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 21:09:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15031; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 21:09:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 21:09:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020810180852.022daf00@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:12:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: midi things In-Reply-To: <001101c240d2$1a06ac70$5fe2fea9@bxmm101> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you're using LoopIV, I believe you could use the EDP's MIDI out instead of the MIDI thru (due to the pipelining feature). At 05:57 PM 2002/08/10, dp wrote: > >i want to have my fcb1010 to control both my repeater and echoplex. so, >the fcb1010 goes to echoplex midi in; and echoplex midi thru goes to >repeater midi in. and this is working fine, but now what's the easiest >way to sync the two since the clock goes out of midi out? do i need some >kind of midi merge box? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 21:21:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16554; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 21:21:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 21:21:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004a01c240d5$53aa32f0$5fe2fea9@bxmm101> From: "dp" To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20020810180852.022daf00@mail.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: midi things Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 21:20:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com cool. thanks!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 9:10 PM Subject: RE: midi things > The upgrade for the Echoplex has "MIDI piping" that acts as a soft thru on > the out port--this will solve your problem--the MIDI commands from the > fcb1010 will be echoed through MIDI out. > Gary > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Echevarria" To: Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 9:12 PM Subject: Re: midi things > If you're using LoopIV, I believe you could use the EDP's MIDI out instead > of the MIDI thru (due to the pipelining feature). > > > At 05:57 PM 2002/08/10, dp wrote: > > > >i want to have my fcb1010 to control both my repeater and echoplex. so, > >the fcb1010 goes to echoplex midi in; and echoplex midi thru goes to > >repeater midi in. and this is working fine, but now what's the easiest > >way to sync the two since the clock goes out of midi out? do i need some > >kind of midi merge box? > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 10 22:30:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25236; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:28:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:28:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c240de$b078a850$5fe2fea9@bxmm101> From: "dp" To: Subject: strange repeater behavior Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:27:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C240BD.290B53C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C240BD.290B53C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable another midi question someone may be able to help me with: so, i'm using my fcb1010 to control both my echoplex and repeater; the = fcb1010 goes to my echoplex and the echoplex's midi thru is going to my = repeater's midi in. this usually works fine, but occasionally when i'm = controlling the echoplex, the repeater will get a midi command that will = reset the tempo at around 1bpm or will reset the pitch of a track to an = octave higher. im using NOTES for the echoplex control and i was sure to put the NOTE = commands on a different channel. i also double-checked to make sure = that all the fcb1010 switches for the echoplex were only sending NOTES = and no CCs or PCs. any ideas? 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another midi question someone may be = able to help=20 me with:
 
so, i'm using my fcb1010 to control = both my=20 echoplex and repeater; the fcb1010 = goes to my=20 echoplex and the echoplex's midi thru is going to my repeater's midi = in. =20 this usually works fine, but occasionally when i'm controlling the = echoplex, the=20 repeater will get a midi command that will reset the tempo at around = 1bpm or=20 will reset the pitch of a track to an octave higher.
 
im using NOTES for the echoplex control = and i was=20 sure to put the NOTE commands on a different channel.  i also=20 double-checked to make sure that all the fcb1010 switches for the = echoplex were=20 only sending NOTES and no CCs or PCs.
 
any ideas?
 
Thanks,
dp
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C240BD.290B53C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 01:47:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12666; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 01:45:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 01:45:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020810223452.00acf610@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:48:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: strange repeater behavior In-Reply-To: <001701c240de$b078a850$5fe2fea9@bxmm101> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't recall mention of anything like this, but I recently experienced something similar with the EDP and devices downstream from it. I've done some rack rearranging and I think I'm running the EDP hotter than it has in the past - did some searches through the archives and it looks like I need to do the voltage regulator mod ('95 EDP). At any rate, after it's been on for awhile I get corrupt MIDI data - eventually I traced it to the EDP MIDI thru. Tried switching to the MIDI out and haven't experienced anymore MIDI problems downstream even though I still occasionally get the overheated-voltage-regulator-induced-noise in loops. So if you have a pre-98 EDP (I think that's when the voltage regulators were changed), might want to try the out instead of the thru and see if that helps (assuming you have LoopIV for MIDIpipe). At 07:27 PM 2002/08/10, dp wrote: >another midi question someone may be able to help me with: > >so, i'm using my fcb1010 to control both my echoplex and repeater; the >fcb1010 goes to my echoplex and the echoplex's midi thru is going to my >repeater's midi in. this usually works fine, but occasionally when i'm >controlling the echoplex, the repeater will get a midi command that will >reset the tempo at around 1bpm or will reset the pitch of a track to an >octave higher. > >im using NOTES for the echoplex control and i was sure to put the NOTE >commands on a different channel. i also double-checked to make sure that >all the fcb1010 switches for the echoplex were only sending NOTES and no >CCs or PCs. > >any ideas? > >Thanks, >dp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 01:55:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13481; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 01:54:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 01:54:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:48:11 -0700 Subject: Re: sample based looping vs. delay looping From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <17b.cb8ff07.2a86b879@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/10/02 11:42 AM, Hedewa7@aol.com at Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes: > >> Kim and Matthias can now explain why this isn't reasonable. > ..... and, i hope they do, but: > i suspect that the next edp-type thing from aurisis will hafta use a > different processor. > stereo would be nice, storage & recall would be nice, polyphonic capability > would be nice, but..... there are still *many, many* things possible in the > realm of 'real'-time audio manipulation..... > best, > dt / splattercell As I noted, there are probably plenty of reasons why this isn't reasonable from a hardware standpoint, but I figured that a stereo version of the EDP could involve relatively few changes and would resolve probably the most frequent complaint about the EDP -- i.e., what do you mean that to do stereo I have to buy two of them and then not all of the features work unless I play some other tricky games? What might be a semi-reasonable approach long term would be to do a hardware revision to support stereo (and an effects loop if one were feeling ambitious) and go to a faster 680x0 processor keeping the software mostly the same. That would then leave room for more significant software enhancements in the future. Kim can now explain why even this raises the engineering costs to the point where it's hard to justify. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 10:08:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02792; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:08:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:08:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: <13.fc79e91.2a87c9ab@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:07:39 EDT Subject: Re: Sony VAIO and laptop workstations in general To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello. I am using a Gateway PIII/1.066 GHz, with a Layla24 laptop. I've got 640 MB RAM. For the most part it works very nicely. Especially with Reaktor3, SoundForge6 and Sonar2. I have gotten 10ms latency for processing a live input thru several DX effects. I'm using WinXPpro. The big downside to this so far is the fact that WinXPpro doesn't seem to want to let you change IRQ assignments. At least no help whatsoever from Gateway's supposed tech support. With some software, I am getting some glitches in the audio due to the fact that the graphics card (along with everything else) is sharing IRQ 10 with the cardbus slots. From what I have read so far, the changing of the IRQs occurs in the BIOS (WinXP). I'll be taking that adventure this week. I'm thinking that I might have to purchase a new BIOS for my laptop. Anyone have any good suggestions on this? A very important factor in any computer, but especially a laptop, is the quality of the components used. I bought the Gateway because it has cardbus slots and a Firewire port that meet the specs of the various audio interface manufacturers. No matter what laptop you buy, call the manufacturer up and get them to tell which cardbus and Firewire cards they are using in their units. Double check those components with the audio interfaces that you wish to purchase. This may save you from a lot of disappointment. Hmmm... maybe it would be good to ask them in advance if they are going to help reconfigure IRQs, etc. Marc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 10:19:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04231; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:19:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:19:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c24141$d909c110$042693d4@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <13.fc79e91.2a87c9ab@aol.com> Subject: Re: Sony VAIO and laptop workstations in general Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:17:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you probably know that url http://www.musicxp.net/ may be http://au.geocities.com/inquisitiveb/98_after_XP.htm claude > Hello. I am using a Gateway PIII/1.066 GHz, with a Layla24 laptop. I've > got 640 MB RAM. For the most part it works very nicely. Especially with > Reaktor3, SoundForge6 and Sonar2. I have gotten 10ms latency for processing a > live input thru several DX effects. > I'm using WinXPpro. The big downside to this so far is the fact that > WinXPpro doesn't seem to want to let you change IRQ assignments. At least no > help whatsoever from Gateway's supposed tech support. With some software, I > am getting some glitches in the audio due to the fact that the graphics card > (along with everything else) is sharing IRQ 10 with the cardbus slots. From > what I have read so far, the changing of the IRQs occurs in the BIOS (WinXP). > I'll be taking that adventure this week. I'm thinking that I might have to > purchase a new BIOS for my laptop. Anyone have any good suggestions on this? > A very important factor in any computer, but especially a laptop, is the > quality of the components used. I bought the Gateway because it has cardbus > slots and a Firewire port that meet the specs of the various audio interface > manufacturers. No matter what laptop you buy, call the manufacturer up and > get them to tell which cardbus and Firewire cards they are using in their > units. Double check those components with the audio interfaces that you wish > to purchase. This may save you from a lot of disappointment. Hmmm... maybe it > would be good to ask them in advance if they are going to help reconfigure > IRQs, etc. > Marc > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 11:39:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14333; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 11:39:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 11:39:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <47BF862C-AAFF-11D6-87C8-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: <47BF862C-AAFF-11D6-87C8-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:41:10 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: sample based looping vs. delay looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3T6UI.A.lfD.VUoV9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >On Thursday, August 8, 2002, at 09:51 AM, Goddess wrote: > >> regarding the sender's original point, of >>the differences between sampling vs delay based loopers, do you have any >>insights? >> > >I'm not sure I make that distinction. All loopers "sample." there is a clear technical difference in how you treat memory: A sample keeps in the same place an playback jumps to its start when it reaches the end. A tape kind of looper keeps reading and copying through the whole memory. But with the introduction of StartPoint and AutoUndo in LOOP 2, the sampling aspect came to it and we also jump in the memory sometimes. And samples can be crossfaded and copied so the Repeater imitates the tape kind of loops. Still, the difference appears in the details of the functions available. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 11:40:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14657; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 11:40:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 11:40:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:42:27 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: stereo EDP... (was: sample based looping vs. delay looping) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >on 8/9/02 7:08 PM, M. Steven Ginn at sginn@airmail.net wrote: > >> I wish the EDP was stereo, with its own effects loop, > >I've been thinking of late that the ideal next generation product for >estimated complexity of development v. bang-for-the-buck would be a stereo >EDP. The software ought to be reasonably straightforward being largely just >a doubling of the sample size. My biggest concern is that there's a 68000 in >the EDP and I think it runs out of address lines at 16 megabytes. Replacing >the processor would introduce a lot more flux into the process. > >The idea would be to reduce the hardware replication one gets in having two >EDPs. This would also make the LoopIV pedal modes work better in the stereo >EDP case. > >I would love to see an effects loop, but once again that's a much more >significant redesign of both the hardware and software. > >On a pricing front, it probably needs to have a street price of just under >$1000. The EDP seems to go for between $649 and $749. Twice that is a fair >chunk of change for stereo and $1000 is more or less a psychological >barrier. > >Kim and Matthias can now explain why this isn't reasonable. Its totally reasonable and our plan for years. But the always changing story of the EDP at Gibson so far never brought the oportunity and money to create the stereo EDP. But as things are going, its rather likely somewhen in the future... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 11:41:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14704; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 11:40:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 11:40:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <46.2bb7f3b0.2a8405ae@aol.com> References: <46.2bb7f3b0.2a8405ae@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:42:42 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: pcm42 mod? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dt: >matthias, >re: the below: >i'm sorry; i may not have understood this, before: >was the original LOOP based on the pcm42 hardware? the idea for the main LOOP functions Multiply, Undo and Sync, I had in Rio '87 and suggested them to Gary Hall (then at Lexicon), Kim Rishoy (t.c.) and Roland. Roland tried to threaten me by writing that they had all patents on this subject and Kim said it was only for a few esotheric specialists and to risky to add to the 2290. Gary liked the idea but did not think that Lexicon would go for it. So we met in Frankfurt and he explained the PCM42 and sold me his personal one so I could implement those functions. You could call it LOOP 0 since I soldered with TTL counters and registers what Eric programmed into the LOOP delay (LOOP 1) in '92. Just about when LOOP 1 started working, the 42 abandoned me with a scream while playing and I did not care to fix it again. I still have the recording "the last drone of the Lexicone" but when I recently searched for the unit itself, I could not find it... :-) Matthias > >>no, David, the LOOP delay did not have reverse either, because I did >>not think it was usefull (and I still dont use it in my music ;-) >>I am not sure what you mean by newloopstart/end, but I guess its like >>Record on the EDP? I dont think I was able to do the input and output >>switching, so I just had a tap tempo and had to operate the FB by >>foot to make sure that the new loop did not contain any of the old >>sound. >>And I did all this by extracting the original processor and building >>new counters on a separate board, so it not a mod that I would >>recommend to anyone :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 12:11:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19597; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:11:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:11:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <136.1233ebfd.2a87e675@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:10:29 EDT Subject: Re: EDP - Sync With Cubase Problem - Strange To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 11/08/02 03:32:51 GMT Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > > >want for the loop. It does. The problem is that what I have recorded > into > > >the loop either plays once or not at all. I tried leaving the loop open > > >(no sound) and using overdub to layer loops. The loops in Overdub don't > > >seem to record. > > Actually, this sounds like something to do with the EDP syncing to > an external source. (not sure tho' ....Matthias????......Claude???) > If the sync comes late, the EDP retriggers, and all is well. > If the early, the EDP can jump back a whole loop, and any overdub is > lost. > I think there's some kind of a workaround for this, > try turning down feedback a bit and see if things improve. > Or try putting a very slight tempo increase into the sequence. uh, sorry, that should read "Or try putting a very slight tempo decrease into the sequence." ...because you want the sync to arrive at the EDP later than the loop end, rather than earlier. > > I haven't had this happen myself though, so no guarantees. > > andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 12:12:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19920; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:12:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:12:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 09:12:30 -0700 Subject: Re: stereo EDP... (was: sample based looping vs. delay looping) From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Of course, a stereo EDP would also just make me wish harder for a mixer with stereo effects sends. I use the submix buses on my Mackie 1642 to deal with that for one unit, but I wish it just had stereo on the effects sends. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 13:10:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28067; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:09:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:09:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:10:18 -0700 From: andrew pask Subject: Another one from DCL To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.5.3 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo gentleloopfolk, Here's another one from the DCL blender. http://www.kaleidacousticon.com/music/liveatReddog.mp3 Featuring John on samples and bass, and me on modified clarinet and soprano sax. Cheers Andrew From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 13:12:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28497; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:11:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:11:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301c24159$ea3dab00$042693d4@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: Subject: [OT] SPAM in Email must have utilitie Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:09:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <9cJumC.A.F7G.JrpV9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com for those who get more and more spam in your mail box check this almost freeware, very excellent utillitie (PC) you can even filter and dump your LD ennemies.....:=) Peace and love Claude http://www.mailwasher.net/main.php From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 14:34:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05328; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:33:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:33:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 11:33:23 -0700 Subject: Re: Another one from DCL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, really beautiful! Is that drum machine or all samples? Any live percussion? Where do you guys call home? I'd love to check out one of your shows. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, August 11, 2002, at 10:10 AM, andrew pask wrote: > > > Yo gentleloopfolk, > > Here's another one from the DCL blender. > > http://www.kaleidacousticon.com/music/liveatReddog.mp3 > > Featuring John on samples and bass, and me on modified clarinet and > soprano sax. > > Cheers > > > Andrew > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 14:57:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07031; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:57:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:57:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: <18.23971d8e.2a880d62@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:56:34 EDT Subject: Re: ages 5 and up To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_18.23971d8e.2a880d62_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_18.23971d8e.2a880d62_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/1/2002 1:12:08 PM Central Daylight Time, ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes: > I looked for this at groups.yahoo.com and couldn't find it. What's the > exact name, and what category is it stuck under? > > Greg Yahoo! Groups > Top > Music > Instruments > Stringed Instruments > Bass > multistringBASSIST Thanks, 9: the artist formerly know as: Gregory Bruce Campbell Listen up loopers who are MP3.COM artists: Please submit your artist name and first choice of your available works to: looping9string@aol.com for: http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/283/loopersdelight.html --part1_18.23971d8e.2a880d62_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/1/2002 1:12:08 PM Central Daylight Time, ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes:


I looked for this at groups.yahoo.com and couldn't find it. What's the
exact name, and what category is it stuck under?

Greg


Yahoo! Groups > Top > Music > Instruments > Stringed Instruments > Bass > multistringBASSIST

Thanks,
9:
the artist formerly know as:
Gregory Bruce Campbell

Listen up loopers who are MP3.COM artists:
Please submit your artist name and first choice of your available works to: looping9string@aol.com for: http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/283/loopersdelight.html --part1_18.23971d8e.2a880d62_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 15:24:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11269; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:24:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:24:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:23:58 -0700 Subject: OT: Sustainiac with EMG installation. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <18.23971d8e.2a880d62@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I purchased a Sustainiac Stealth Plus a while ago, and I've been having trouble dealing with Sustainiac. Basically, they asked about the configuration of my guitar (a Steinberger M series with two single coil EMG pickups, and a humbucker EMG at the bridge) and then proceeded to send me wiring instructions that in no way cooraspond to my guitar. For example, they sent me a 9 pin jack, but the instructions only show installation for a standard 3 pin jack. I've emailed them back several times, but they seem slow in returning my requests, and the last request seems to be going unanswered. I've attempted to get professional help, but I've just ended up playing phone tag with a few people who don't seem to be hungry for my business. I've got some basic electronic knowledge and OK soldering skills, and have done most of the hookup already. I'm just stuck with how I'm supposed to connect the pickups to the rest of the circuitry and make it so the power disconnects when the jack is unplugged. So anyway, if someone out there's done one of these Sustainiac Stealth Plus installations in a guitar using active EMG pickups, I'd love to know how you did it. I've got gigs coming up and my guitar is in pieces! HELP! Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 15:39:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13262; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:39:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:39:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:38:52 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: Sustainiac with EMG installation. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, I've posted a diagram of how the pickups were originally wired at: http://www.zerocrossing.net/steinbergerguts.gif thanks again, Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, August 11, 2002, at 12:23 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Hey, > > I purchased a Sustainiac Stealth Plus a while ago, and I've been having > trouble dealing with Sustainiac. Basically, they asked about the > configuration of my guitar (a Steinberger M series with two single coil > EMG pickups, and a humbucker EMG at the bridge) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 16:53:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23642; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:53:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:53:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020811134427.025097b0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:54:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP - Sync With Cubase Problem - Strange In-Reply-To: <136.1233ebfd.2a87e675@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:10 AM 8/11/2002, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > >>>want for the loop. It does. The problem is that what I have recorded > into > >>>the loop either plays once or not at all. I tried leaving the loop open > >>>(no sound) and using overdub to layer loops. The loops in Overdub don't > >>>seem to record. > > > > Actually, this sounds like something to do with the EDP syncing to > > an external source. (not sure tho' ....Matthias????......Claude???) > > If the sync comes late, the EDP retriggers, and all is well. > > If the early, the EDP can jump back a whole loop, and any overdub is > > lost. no that's not correct... in fact you've got it backwards. (understandable, it is kind of confusing.) When overdub is on or feedback changes are being done or some other change in the loop is happening, drifts in the incoming clock are ignored specifically so that we don't lose the change in the loop. Then the edp synchronizes when overdub is turned off again. The real potential problem there is if you are synchronizing to external clock and you leave overdub on for a long time, you may fall out of sync. So you need to be careful about that. But you don't lose the overdubs.... > > I think there's some kind of a workaround for this, > > try turning down feedback a bit and see if things improve. > > Or try putting a very slight tempo increase into the sequence. > >uh, sorry, that should read >"Or try putting a very slight tempo decrease into the sequence." >...because you want the sync to arrive at the EDP later than the loop end, >rather than earlier. that shouldn't be necessary. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 17:15:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28148; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:14:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:14:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:14:39 -0700 Subject: Re: EDP - Sync With Cubase Problem - Strange Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020811134427.025097b0@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: <587B1FA2-AD6F-11D6-8352-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <5efk9B.A.01G.APtV9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, August 11, 2002, at 01:54 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > turned off again. The real potential problem there is if you are > synchronizing to external clock and you leave overdub on for a long > time, you may fall out of sync. So you need to be careful about that. > But you don't lose the overdubs.... Huh, that's odd. I do tend to keep overdub open and feedback at 50% a lot to keep things changing. Will this be a problem? Should I pop out of overdub every now and then to keep things in synch? Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 18:18:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07732; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:18:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:18:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAuGuqaVUwlLrz71t4YH8E4tCiS2QCFQCnj3LakcMdjKFhtKzE8FtOvPuvuw== From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:17:47 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hello Bill Message-ID: <11148-3D56E28B-1599@storefull-2355.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Jhsidlo@aol.com's message of Tue, 06 Aug 2002 11:29:01 -0400 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com James, I dont think I received a Dreamland underwater cd. But I could be wrong, I've received several cd's in the last couple of months. Can you give me more discription of the album cover and the instrumentation I've looked for it but no go. Sorry I'll keep looking. Peace, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 18:23:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08778; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:23:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:23:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D56E317.A84648F@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:20:08 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Santa Cruz House Concert for Friday, August 23? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello list, Rick Walker has suggested the possibility of putting together a low-key house concert on Friday, August 23 in the Santa Cruz area, in between gigs/clinics I'll have in San Francisco and Oakland that week. Are there any list members who'd be amenable to helping to set something up? Rick has kindly offered to play, and I'm hoping that such an event might involve some duo playing. And I'd be happy to open the event up in a clinic-oriented fashion if people are so inclined. If anyone would like to plunge into the fray, drop me a line and let's see what can be arranged. Many thanks, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 18:26:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09198; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:25:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:25:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAuKb7aLfcWhPUO43rpSPdZb0f57ICFFXuSoYc9YCspqSyPj4kIu8RYval From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:24:44 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hello Bill Message-ID: <11147-3D56E42C-2056@storefull-2355.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister)'s message of Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry about the personel note on my previous post. Bill/Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 18:57:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15034; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:57:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:57:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <587B1FA2-AD6F-11D6-8352-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: <587B1FA2-AD6F-11D6-8352-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 00:59:24 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP - Sync With Cubase Problem - Strange Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3ekx6D.A.6oD.KvuV9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >On Sunday, August 11, 2002, at 01:54 PM, Kim Flint wrote: >>turned off again. The real potential problem there is if you are >>synchronizing to external clock and you leave overdub on for a >>long time, you may fall out of sync. So you need to be careful >>about that. But you don't lose the overdubs.... > >Huh, that's odd. I do tend to keep overdub open and feedback at 50% >a lot to keep things changing. Will this be a problem? Should I >pop out of overdub every now and then to keep things in synch? Depends on the values you choose: If feedback is below 90 (as in your example), we do an automatic correction of the startpoint instead of moving the audio. So when you go back to above 90, we are synced again and the drift that happened in the mean time is not corrected, since the sound faded anyway and you probably rather play to the sync source than to the fading loop. This odd but usefull functionality was suggested by Claude Voit. If the FB is above 90 but below max for a while, you may fall out of sync, really. To avoid it, you will have to set FB to 127 and Overdub off during at least one loop, more exactly: between two loop start points. The same goes for Overdub. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 19:00:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16742; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:00:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:00:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D56ECDC.75137E88@friendlyspider.com> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:02:23 -0500 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Cello recommendation... References: <11147-3D56E42C-2056@storefull-2355.public.lawson.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe a long shot....maybe way OT..... But could anyone recommend a good cello for the money.... I don't want the cheapest, I want to learn on a quality instrument....but I don't want to break the bank, either.... I was looking at the Ren Wei Shi Model 7000 or 8000.... -- gary @friendlyspider.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 19:13:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18077; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:13:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:13:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:13:00 -0700 Subject: Loosing MIDI synch (was Re: EDP - Sync With Cubase Problem - Strange) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very interesting implementation. I probably never noticed it, as I wouldn't probably be keeping the track in overdub with a feedback of more than 70% or so. Good trick. Now that I know this quirk, I'll make sure I'm stingy with the overdub. I've gotten used to the Repeater's time stretch magic, where it doesn't matter at all how long you keep it in overdub, even if your clock changes. In fact, if you want to have a track fade out, you've got to keep it in Record, a "feature" I never quite like about the Repeater. I have learned to fake it with track volume control tricks. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, August 11, 2002, at 03:59 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: >> Huh, that's odd. I do tend to keep overdub open and feedback at 50% a >> lot to keep things changing. Will this be a problem? Should I pop >> out of overdub every now and then to keep things in synch? > > Depends on the values you choose: > If feedback is below 90 (as in your example), we do an automatic > correction of the startpoint instead of moving the audio. So when you > go back to above 90, we are synced again and the drift that happened in > the mean time is not corrected, since the sound faded anyway and you > probably rather play to the sync source than to the fading loop. This > odd but usefull functionality was suggested by Claude Voit. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 19:14:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17983; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:13:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:13:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 01:12:17 +0200 Subject: OT: Agencies and things to look out for Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <11148-3D56E28B-1599@storefull-2355.public.lawson.webtv.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, This is a little off-topic from looping, but I don't know that many people who are musicians in Paris... I've been approached by an agency, with a personal email from the boss, written on a Sunday, to ask me if I am willing to consider a professional relationship with him. A friend of his who saw me perform my latest set on the street was impressed enough to contact him and recommend me as a potential act. I've checked out his site, his artists, and his philosophy, and it seems like a pretty good setup (French Riviera... posh clubs, cabaret, concert halls etc).... But I've never ever been with a pro agency before. My only previous encounter was working for 'black money' doing an Irish music circuit in Europe with a shark of an agent. What do I watch out for? Have any of you had any bad experiences or other suggestions that would help me 'understand the ropes'... I'm a complete newbie and totally out of my depth. Any pitfalls I should watch out for? Any mails on and off list will be appreciated. Thanks! -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 19:20:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18960; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:19:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:19:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D56F021.C61108C0@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:15:45 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP - Sync With Cubase Problem - Strange References: <587B1FA2-AD6F-11D6-8352-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6WwUbC.A.GoE.NEvV9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Couldn't you use the ReAlign command to solve the overdub/drifting issue? Assign a MIDI key (Behringer pedal, for instance) to send a MIDI ReAlign command, and tap it every few bars, before you start getting any noticable drift, to keep everything locked in. Would that do the trick? --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 19:42:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20139; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:42:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:42:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020811135606.037bfab0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:37:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Sony VAIO and laptop workstations in general In-Reply-To: <13.fc79e91.2a87c9ab@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-_Sjn.A.J6E.EZvV9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:07 AM 8/11/2002, RandomLFO@aol.com wrote: > Hello. I am using a Gateway PIII/1.066 GHz, with a Layla24 laptop. > I'm using WinXPpro. The big downside to this so far is the fact that >WinXPpro doesn't seem to want to let you change IRQ assignments. they are abstracting as far from the hardware as possible, to make your life easier. I think it usually does for most people, at the expense of people trying to custom tune things. >At least no >help whatsoever from Gateway's supposed tech support. With some software, I >am getting some glitches in the audio due to the fact that the graphics card >(along with everything else) is sharing IRQ 10 with the cardbus slots. that is among the many legacies of a 25 year old hardware platform. People don't realize how much these legacy hardware problems of the pc motherboard limit the performance of the whole platform. are you sure that sharing interrupts is even the problem? a lot of things are designed to do that. Especially in newer systems using xp/2000. > From >what I have read so far, the changing of the IRQs occurs in the BIOS (WinXP). you probably need to turn off ACPI somehow, which would probably be a bad idea in a laptop. You might even need to reinstall windows with some different options, which I would be scared to do. > I'll be taking that adventure this week. I'm thinking that I might have to >purchase a new BIOS for my laptop. Anyone have any good suggestions on this? I don't think you can purchase a new BIOS from a third party, can you? Programming the BIOS is a very specialized and difficult thing, and requires deep detailed knowledge of the hardware that only the manufacturer knows, as well as deep knowledge of all the legacy pc crap. you might be able to get an updated one from the mfr. > No matter what laptop you buy, call the manufacturer up and >get them to tell which cardbus and Firewire cards they are using in their >units. a nit, but they don't put cards in a laptop. It's a chip on the motherboard. many different card and motherboard manufacturers may use the same chip. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 19:52:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20987; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:51:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:51:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020811164649.037c53a8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:53:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: strange repeater behavior In-Reply-To: <001701c240de$b078a850$5fe2fea9@bxmm101> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:27 PM 8/10/2002, dp wrote: >another midi question someone may be able to help me with: > >so, i'm using my fcb1010 to control both my echoplex and repeater; the >fcb1010 goes to my echoplex and the echoplex's midi thru is going to my >repeater's midi in. this usually works fine, but occasionally when i'm >controlling the echoplex, the repeater will get a midi command that will >reset the tempo at around 1bpm or will reset the pitch of a track to an >octave higher. > >im using NOTES for the echoplex control and i was sure to put the NOTE >commands on a different channel. i also double-checked to make sure that >all the fcb1010 switches for the echoplex were only sending NOTES and no >CCs or PCs. since you are using midi thru on the echoplex it wouldn't be something the echoplex is generating. did you try taking the echoplex out of the chain, and just connecting the midi pedal straight to the repeater? Try that, and while sending your echoplex controls at the repeater see if you ever get the same problem. Maybe you have one of the pedal commands for the echoplex programmed wrong, and it is actually sending an extra command to the repeater? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 11 21:00:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32537; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 21:00:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 21:00:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005001c2419b$8aa746f0$5fe2fea9@bxmm101> From: "dp" To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20020810223452.00acf610@mail.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: strange repeater behavior Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:59:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OH. follwing kim's advice, i took the echoplex out of the path and the problem persisted (thanks, kim!!). the midi light on the repeater lights up every other time i push a button, so i think i finally narrowed it down to the "tap-tempo function" on the fcb1010. it sends a CC message after two 'taps'. i can set it to send a harmless CC message, but im not sure how to turn the stupid function off. has anyone tackled this before? the manual is retarded. thanks. dp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 01:55:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09349; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 01:54:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 01:54:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200208112223.SAA08858@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 01:54:23 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andrew Hearst Subject: NYC gig spam, Wed., August 14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello. I'm a longtime lurker on this great list. This Wednesday night, August 14, I'll be playing a set of solo electric guitar at The Underground Lounge, a cool bar/lounge a few blocks from my apartment here on Manhattan's Upper West Side. I'll be relying heavily on a Repeater, two Filter Factories, a Mo-FX, and a DL4. My stuff might best be described as "Ray of Light" meets the Crystal Method meets "Kid A" meets the French band Air. I used a Repeater and several other Electrix boxes to create the first two tracks on this page: http://www.echonyc.com/~hearst/music.html. Several of the studio tracks on that page feature plenty of the DL4 and various Electrix boxes. The gig details: Wednesday, August 14 9 p.m. until 10 or so, maybe a little later The Underground Lounge 955 West End Avenue (corner of West 107th Street and Broadway) Take the 1 train to 103rd Street, or the 2 or 3 to 96th Street and then the 1 to 103rd Street. Would love to see some of you there. Cheers, Andrew Hearst From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 02:14:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14104; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 02:13:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 02:13:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Briscoe23@aol.com Message-ID: <53.1ad601ef.2a88abb7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 02:12:07 EDT Subject: My new MP3.com site... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_53.1ad601ef.2a88abb7_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10513 Resent-Message-ID: <1TS2dD.A.7aD.aH1V9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_53.1ad601ef.2a88abb7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all, You guys have been such an inspiration to this Alabama boy, he decided to post some free downloads for you. Both of these tunes were tracked live with backing vocal overdubs. Both were written on the DL4, although there is zero looping posted at this time, but I assure you, as often as I record, there is much more to come. -Justin Sable Fobes --part1_53.1ad601ef.2a88abb7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all, You guys have been such an inspiration to this Alabama boy, he decided to post some free downloads for you.  Both of these tunes were tracked live with backing vocal overdubs.  Both were written on the DL4, although there is zero looping posted at this time, but I assure you, as often as I record, there is much more to come.

-Justin Sable Fobes --part1_53.1ad601ef.2a88abb7_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 02:23:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15896; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 02:23:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 02:23:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:23:22 -0700 Subject: Mini loop fest Jam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <006F04A2-ADBC-11D6-8352-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, tonight was really fun down in Oakland, CA. Good for you Matt! It was all good. Each artist got up and did a short set alone, and then they all came together for a final 4 man/looper jam. I'm mainly writing because I thought it was by far the best part of the whole show. The interaction between musicians really made it. It got me to thinking. Why not do the next Loop fest where loopers have to through their name in a hat, then break off into packs of 3 or 4 and do little jams. Could be really fun and interesting. I, for one, always come from loopshows thinking, "I'd love to jam with ." Anyway, just me babbling. Great show Matt, Scott, Rick and Bill. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 02:25:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16268; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 02:25:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 02:25:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 02:25:07 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andrew Hearst Subject: price drop on Line 6 rack units Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just discovered that the Line 6 rack units--the Echo Pro, the Modulation Pro, and the Filter Pro--are now selling for $299 on zzounds.com and sweetwater.com. They list at $699, and I think they were about $500 retail when they first hit the market. I always thought $500 was way too much for those boxes, but $299 is a great price. I've been dying to have MIDI-syncable versions of the MM4's tremolos and phasers and the DL4's various delays. I may try to trade in my MM4 and FM4 pedals toward the purchase of a Modulation Pro. The Echo Pro, of course, features a 60-second version of the DL4's 14-second loop sampler. Andrew From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 02:59:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24052; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 02:59:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 02:59:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Invsblmn3000@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 02:59:11 EDT Subject: Re: price drop on Line 6 rack units To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: <26mEqB.A.D3F.Fz1V9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com About that Echo Pro (rack unit)... Does anyone know if the Pro model allows you to control the feedback regeneration? I've been checking out the DL4, and no feedback control seems like the one thing that might bug me about that particular unit. BTW... I'm new to the list, and I'm really digging it. Cool group of people. Thx in advance for any help. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 03:13:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25828; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 03:09:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 03:09:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020812000055.024f9b68@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 00:11:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Mini loop fest Jam In-Reply-To: <006F04A2-ADBC-11D6-8352-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes, I agree, this was a fun little show tonight. Thanks for doing it guys! I also like seeing the interaction of several musicians together. I think it is a great idea to get more group interplay. The jams tonight were great. I've also really enjoyed Matthias, Jon Wagner, and Rick Walker's spontaneous jam in San Louis Obisbo, Andre LaFosse and Matthias together in my own house, Andre and Bill Walker in Santa Cruz, Timothy Crowe and Rick Walker in Santa Cruz, to name a few. When group of musicians is really listening to each other and pushing each other to a new level, that's a wonderful experience - both for listeners and players. kim At 11:23 PM 8/11/2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >tonight was really fun down in Oakland, CA. Good for you Matt! >It got me to thinking. Why not do the next Loop fest where loopers have >to through their name in a hat, then break off into packs of 3 or 4 and do >little jams. Could be really fun and interesting. I, for one, always >come from loopshows thinking, "I'd love to jam with ." > >Anyway, just me babbling. Great show Matt, Scott, Rick and Bill. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 04:51:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA00655; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 04:50:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 04:50:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: price drop on Line 6 rack units Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 01:49:28 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c241dd$2f73eee0$3dd6f343@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>About that Echo Pro (rack unit)... >>>Does anyone know if the Pro model allows you to control the feedback regeneration? I downloaded the manual and gave it a look-see . . . No mention of feedback in the 60 second looper--but I'm sure the 2.5 second delay models all have regeneration control. This looks like a useful and versatile unit--and Line 6 seems to be a well run company. Wonder if they'll ever make a real looper 8^)? For $300, how can you go wrong? Anyway, just for my edification, can anyone tell me if anything is missing from the DL-4 in the Echo Pro? Is the interface just as good? Better? Anybody using one of these? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 10:49:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24884; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:48:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:48:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:47:14 +0200 Subject: Re: price drop on Line 6 rack units Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000201c241dd$2f73eee0$3dd6f343@gary> Message-Id: <6447BF14-AE02-11D6-8DFC-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, August 12, 2002, at 10:49 AM, Gary Lehmann wrote: > For $300, how can you go wrong? I know what is next on my list of purchases :) Thanks for the tip! -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 11:05:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27253; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:05:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:05:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:07:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: GB loop gathering? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To the british brothers: It looks like I will be in London on Sept 1 and then with the two Andys and then maybe another evening in London on the way back, Sept 4/5. Are there any events I should visit? Is someone interested in having me to talk and play and such? I cannot extend the trip beyond 5 but I could come earlier... listening... Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 11:29:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28790; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:28:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:28:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:27:37 -0700 Subject: Re: price drop on Line 6 rack units From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6447BF14-AE02-11D6-8DFC-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any recommendations on foot controllers to go with these? I would love to have tempo-syncable versions of many of the effects but I also like having a modest amount of footswitch control. Picking patches and a single expression pedal is sufficient. At the same time, however, floorspace is at a premium and a really expensive floor box effectively defeats the low price on the pro units. Thanks. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 11:36:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28996; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:30:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:30:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020812103028.0086aa20@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:30:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: EDP - Sync With Cubase Problem - Strange In-Reply-To: <136.1233ebfd.2a87e675@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Andy, Not sure what you mean when saying "...because you want the sync to arrive at the EDP later than the loop end, rather than earlier." I'm pressing the Record switch during the last bar I'm recording so the EDP stops recording on the downbeat of the following measure. I'm doing this so I know I have a loop of X bars at a predetermined bpm. Then, i can layer the loop, record into cubase and add drums w/o having to calculate some the bpm of the loop - something i don't seem to be very good at! Thanks, M... At 12:10 PM 8/11/02 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 11/08/02 03:32:51 GMT Daylight Time, >Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > >> > >want for the loop. It does. The problem is that what I have recorded >> into >> > >the loop either plays once or not at all. I tried leaving the loop >open >> > >(no sound) and using overdub to layer loops. The loops in Overdub >don't >> > >seem to record. >> >> Actually, this sounds like something to do with the EDP syncing to >> an external source. (not sure tho' ....Matthias????......Claude???) >> If the sync comes late, the EDP retriggers, and all is well. >> If the early, the EDP can jump back a whole loop, and any overdub is >> lost. >> I think there's some kind of a workaround for this, >> try turning down feedback a bit and see if things improve. >> Or try putting a very slight tempo increase into the sequence. > >uh, sorry, that should read >"Or try putting a very slight tempo decrease into the sequence." >...because you want the sync to arrive at the EDP later than the loop end, >rather than earlier. > >> >> I haven't had this happen myself though, so no guarantees. >> >> andy butler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 12:32:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01381; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:32:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:32:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D57E31F.785D59A7@club-internet.fr> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:32:33 +0200 From: Emmanuel PERILLE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [fr] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Another one from DCL References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro wrote : > Wow, really beautiful! Is that drum machine or all samples? Any live > percussion? IMO no live percussion, indian drums are pre-sequenced and muted with other sampled phrases (MPC2000 ?). Seems also like an electric violon is sampled live and sometimes shortly re-triggered by the samplist ... Now tell us the truth Andrew, just can't wait. Anyway it is superb Emmanuel > Where do you guys call home? I'd love to check out one of > your shows. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Sunday, August 11, 2002, at 10:10 AM, andrew pask wrote: > > > > > > > Yo gentleloopfolk, > > > > Here's another one from the DCL blender. > > > > http://www.kaleidacousticon.com/music/liveatReddog.mp3 > > > > Featuring John on samples and bass, and me on modified clarinet and > > soprano sax. > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Andrew > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 13:14:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04650; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:13:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:13:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:13:53 -0700 From: Andrew Pask Subject: Re: Another one from DCL In-reply-to: <3D57E31F.785D59A7@club-internet.fr> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > IMO no live percussion, indian drums are pre-sequenced and muted with other > sampled phrases (MPC2000 ?). Seems also like an electric violon is sampled > live and sometimes shortly re-triggered by the samplist ... > Now tell us the truth Andrew, just can't wait. Pretty close. We re-use a lot of material from previous gigs as samples. The Indian drums were sampled and then a real drummer played electronic drums at a gig in Hong Kong in June with an erhu player playing electric erhu from the sounds of it (the chinese violin) over all that.John and I jammed over this after he cut it up a bit.Now when we play it live I guess it will be another cutup without the bass, which John will play live, with me playing the sax live and triggering clarinet samples. We've got a gig at the Knit here in LA coming up on the 28th with a percussionist, so I guess it will all get munched up again there. Cheers Andrew From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 15:31:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16017; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:30:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:30:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Invsblmn3000@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:29:26 EDT Subject: Re: price drop on Line 6 rack units To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>>No mention of feedback in the 60 second looper--but I'm sure the 2.5 second delay models all have regeneration control. Hmmm... as I understand it, the DL4 loop setting has a *fixed* regeneration rate of about 95%, with each layer fading out after about 5 minutes or so. I was just hoping that the Pro model offered a little more control. Oh well, nothing neccesarily wrong with learning to work within a specified set of limits. Matter of fact, over the years, I've learned that having *more* options often equals *less* output. LOL After all, just how much control did Fripp have over those two Revox tape machines? No Pussyfooting still sounds great to me. But I digress... Later, all. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 16:22:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21609; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:22:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:22:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Sender: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: New Mailbox--Just Testing Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:21:26 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c2423d$db00dba0$4707f843@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a test of my new mailbox. I don't know what the benefits are--just trying to make use of my options. Not gigging much--any San Diego loopers want to jam? Gary PS Best wishes to Andre in his new project as EDP educator. G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 16:29:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22468; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:28:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:28:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Sender: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: California Loopers--Catalina? Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:27:56 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c2423e$c2436f00$4707f843@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <000101c2423d$db00dba0$4707f843@gary> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Uhh, I don't know if this separate mailbox thing is all that whizzy--oh well, we'll see-- I wonder if there are any loopers on the island of Avalon, off Los Angeles--we will be spending a 3 day holiday there at the end of the month, and would love to connect with any folks there. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 16:34:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23022; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:33:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:33:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c2423f$7e2dd160$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <000201c2423e$c2436f00$4707f843@gary> Subject: Re: California Loopers--Catalina? Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:33:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damn Gary- you are hard core. Avalon? People live there? ;) Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 1:27 PM Subject: California Loopers--Catalina? > Uhh, I don't know if this separate mailbox thing is all that whizzy--oh > well, we'll see-- > I wonder if there are any loopers on the island of Avalon, off Los > Angeles--we will be spending a 3 day holiday there at the end of the month, > and would love to connect with any folks there. > Gary > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 16:41:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23908; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:41:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:41:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c24240$d78430a0$80484ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: GB loop gathering? Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 21:42:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias, not sure what's happening then, but I'd love to meet up! I'll send you my phone numbers off list... (like, I'd really want my phone number in the loop-list digest... :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 4:07 PM Subject: GB loop gathering? > To the british brothers: > > It looks like I will be in London on Sept 1 and then with the two > Andys and then maybe another evening in London on the way back, Sept > 4/5. > > Are there any events I should visit? > Is someone interested in having me to talk and play and such? > I cannot extend the trip beyond 5 but I could come earlier... > > listening... > Matthias > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 17:55:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30628; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:54:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:54:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <9a.29f1c784.2a898849@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:53:13 EDT Subject: Translucent Dayglow Lime Green Plastic CD mini review To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <-B-f6D.A.6cH.M5CW9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Ever since the Santa Cruz loop gig I've been deliriously checking out all of the dozen or so new CDs I scored at the gig. And . . . there have been some real gems among them I can tell you! I could spend the next 10 hours or so writing up what I like best about all of them but (unfortunately) I don't have time. But what I DO have spinning on the CD drive right now is Rick Walker's latest Loop.pooL disc "Translucent Dayglow Lime Green Plastic." In addition to being a TIRELESS promoter and cheerleader for the left coast's burgeoning loop scene he is one really creative musician with an impressive resume (see: http://www.watershed-arts.com/walker.html). Listening to this CD I am reminded of a time several years ago when a pal of mine shared a documentary LP recording of Pygmy tribal music with me. There is something about Rick's music that makes me think of some far-flung future audio documentarian discovering a tribe of 25th century "Pygmy" electronic junkyard ritual percussionists in some obscure nocturnal haunt. Of course the "tribe" is just Rick and his loopers (and a dump truck full of odd instruments and found objects) Some of these sound like traditional instruments . . . almost . . . but most still sound like pots, pans, broken buzzers, springs, vacuum hoses, toy keyboards and Lord knows what other sort of post-apocalyptic detritus. To this add some highly processed (and looped) mutant mouth percussion/chanting that further reinforces the otherworldly "tribal" feel. What's really amazing to me is that it was apparently recorded live (with some audience participation at one point) and still has the sonic clarity and inventiveness of a studio project. Along with Rick's first Loop.pooL CD -- which is much more "electronica" oriented (for lack of a better description) -- I get the feeling Rick can pick up just about any object and not only make an instrument out of it but make really compelling music with it to boot. I think it can be very safely said by now that Rick's a MASTER percussionist but this CD makes a good case for him being a master MUSICIAN. He plays flutes (or things that sound like them at least) sings in pseudo "ethnic" glossolalia, bangs skins, plucks strings, pushes buttons, manages his loopers and does everything but moonwalk all with great sensitivity AND humor. I have to say, I really would LOVE to hear what would come out as a byproduct if Rick were ever to link up with some of the other notables on this list. If I may be so bold . . . I think a combination of Mr. Walker and Mr. Torn would spontaneously combust if they ever shared a stage. It makes me really curious to think of what he must have sounded like with acoustic guitar phenoms Martin Simpson and Bob Brozman both of which he has toured with. Rick walker is a one-of-a-kind musician and his Loop.pooL "Translucent Dayglow Lime Green Plastic" CD is an equally unique and absorbing listening experience. Highly recommended! End of (slightly more than) mini-review. BTW -- Thanks for sharing Rick! For more info on this guy check out this URL: http://www.watershed-arts.com/walker.html Cheers, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 17:59:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31129; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:58:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:58:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020812215800.99576.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:58:00 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: Re: sony VAIO and laptops in general To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200208110230.WAA25478@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 10:44:43 -0700 > From: Mark Sottilaro <sine@zerocrossing.net> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #518 >I've always found the Mac to be very > intuitive for most > things. The problem with the 2 OSs, for me, is that > they tend to look > and behave a lot a like, but then NOT. It's the > parts that look like > they should work the same, but don't that bug me. well, yeah, i think you've kind of hit on the issue there. there are functions that i am used to on windows that either don't appear on the mac OS, or i just haven't figured how to access them, and it's not for lack of effort. i go through periods of having to use macs daily, and even after 10 years of using both platforms and watching them grow, macs have never agreed with me. > Are you looking for a > UNIX command line interface? no...for my taste, win98SE is pretty much the high point of functionality and stability. as much as we can discuss and learn here, i have NEVER found macs to be stable. granted any computer will crash given the right (or wrong) circumstances, but i have lost a lot more work on macs than PCs...i can go to a protools seminar and start counting the crashes... > It's not the best > solution, but I'm being patient. that's the best attitude. for all the laudation that apple recieves by so many musicians and engineers that i admire and respect, the platform has never worked for me. when i start school again in the fall i'll be in an electronic music program that is entirely MAC based, so i'm being openminded and hoping that whatever lacking functionality i've encountered in the past i'll learn to deal with/gain better understanding of the OS at this point. thanks for the feedback, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 18:04:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00503; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:03:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:03:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D5830BA.CE489DFD@club-internet.fr> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:03:39 +0200 From: Emmanuel PERILLE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [fr] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: GB loop gathering? References: <003701c24240$d78430a0$80484ed5@bigboy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias, Although it is beyond 5, there is the PLASA show in London which will take place from Sun 8th to Wed 11th. I hope to meet here my first idol GrandMaster Flash who should demo a mixer he designed. Even if exhibitions are made for business, Frankfurt Music Messe and PLASA are also good opportunities for international meetings of artists in Europe. Emmanuel Steve Lawson wrote : > Matthias, > > not sure what's happening then, but I'd love to meet up! I'll send you my > phone numbers off list... (like, I'd really want my phone number in the > loop-list digest... :o) > > Steve > www.steve-lawson.co.uk > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matthias Grob" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 4:07 PM > Subject: GB loop gathering? > > > To the british brothers: > > > > It looks like I will be in London on Sept 1 and then with the two > > Andys and then maybe another evening in London on the way back, Sept > > 4/5. > > > > Are there any events I should visit? > > Is someone interested in having me to talk and play and such? > > I cannot extend the trip beyond 5 but I could come earlier... > > > > listening... > > Matthias > > -- > > > > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 20:05:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11426; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:05:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:05:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Sender: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: price drop on Line 6 rack units Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:04:29 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c2425d$02eeee80$4707f843@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For me, not having MIDI clock from or to the unit while in Loop mode is even more of a limitation. I bet you could still make some good use of this unit in a multi-looper context . . . Gary >>>>No mention of feedback in the 60 second looper--but I'm sure the 2.5 second delay models all have regeneration control. **Hmmm... as I understand it, the DL4 loop setting has a *fixed* regeneration rate of about 95%, with each layer fading out after about 5 minutes or so. I was just hoping that the Pro model offered a little more control. Oh well, nothing necessarily wrong with learning to work within a specified set of limits. Matter of fact, over the years, I've learned that having *more* options often equals *less* output. LOL From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 23:33:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28934; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:32:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:32:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c2427a$d5a997e0$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: Subject: Re: price drop on Line 6 rack units Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:38:05 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >>>>No mention of feedback in the 60 second looper--but I'm sure the 2.5 > second > delay models all have regeneration control. > > Hmmm... as I understand it, the DL4 loop setting has a *fixed* regeneration > rate of about 95%, with each layer fading out after about 5 minutes or so. That's if it's in 'overdub' mode. If it's just in 'play' it will maintain indefinitely. No other 'control' of the feedback. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 12 23:47:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29927; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:46:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:46:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:46:30 -0700 Subject: Re: price drop on Line 6 rack units From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000801c2425d$02eeee80$4707f843@gary> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/12/02 5:04 PM, relayonemanband@earthlink.net at relayonemanband@earthlink.net wrote: > For me, not having MIDI clock from or to the unit while in Loop mode is even > more of a limitation. I bet you could still make some good use of this unit > in a multi-looper context . . . Now that I think about it, it's really annoying that it doesn't at least send MIDI clock in loop mode. But I guess the Repeater has demonstrated that even that can be a challenge. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 00:09:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA32430; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:08:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:08:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <184.c980e82.2a89dff3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:07:15 EDT Subject: Re: Translucent Dayglow Lime Green Plastic CD mini review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_184.c980e82.2a89dff3_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_184.c980e82.2a89dff3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/12/02 5:58:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes: > and does everything but moonwalk ted.....rick does this in private all the time.....often, you have to slap him upside the head to make him walk normal.....sad but true.....i agree with everything you say about mr. ricky and his approach to da loop....."play dem bongos ricky!", "OK LUCY".....you better believe ill be keepin an eye on mr walker and his future adventures in loopiness.....the TDLGP CD is indeed a keeper!.....michael --part1_184.c980e82.2a89dff3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/12/02 5:58:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes:


and does everything but moonwalk


ted.....rick does this in private all the time.....often, you have to slap him upside the head to make him walk normal.....sad but true.....i agree with everything you say about mr. ricky and his approach to da loop....."play dem bongos ricky!", "OK LUCY".....you better believe ill be keepin an eye on mr walker and his future adventures in loopiness.....the  TDLGP CD is indeed a keeper!.....michael --part1_184.c980e82.2a89dff3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 00:38:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01482; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:38:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:38:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: mahijiru.cspc.us: www-data set sender to erwill@suitandtieguy.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: price drop on Line 6 rack units Message-ID: <1029213452.3d588d0cdbf03@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:37:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Williamson References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.178.190 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mark said: > Now that I think about it, it's really annoying that it doesn't at > least send MIDI clock in loop mode. if you'll check the archives, i made a post detailing a phone conversation with a very rude and arrogant man at Line6 which details why these Echo"Pro" units are barely worth buying _even_at_$300_. the attitude was basically that a looper was musically useless, just "for fun", and that it was "unreasonable" of me to expect _any_ controls or features beyond what Line6 had deigned to offer me. there will be other looptools ... Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 01:26:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05108; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:26:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:26:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:26:06 -0700 Subject: Re: price drop on Line 6 rack units Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1029213452.3d588d0cdbf03@www.suitandtieguy.com> Message-Id: <2B0A9F96-AE7D-11D6-951A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In or around the same time, I sent a letter saying, "maybe MIDI synched loops would be a nice thing." and got a much more polite, "We'll keep that idea in mind." Maybe if all of us got together and sent letters saying we want a MIDI synchable looper, they might get the picture, but I think the picture is there are a hundred loop wankers that want this so why bother. So, the Delay Pro is a bust as a looper. Suspected so. But for $50 more than the pedal version and you get all that the DL4 is plus MIDI synched stereo delays? Sounds worth it to me. I do really interesting stuff with my little MOFX's primitive midi synched delay. But more interesting to me is the other two Modeler Pro units. They seem like GREAT loop mangler devices. Anyone have experience with them they'd like to share? I wish they made a Modeler SUPER Pro, which combined all three devices in one rackspace. mmmmmm one rackspace. Essentially, this is what I try to make my Lexicon MPX1 do. (and it sure does some cool stuff, BTW) A man can dream, can't he? So speak up if you've tried the Filter or Mod Pro. I've read some amazing reviews on Harmony Central. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, August 12, 2002, at 09:37 PM, Eric Williamson wrote: > mark said: >> Now that I think about it, it's really annoying that it doesn't at >> least send MIDI clock in loop mode. > > if you'll check the archives, i made a post detailing a phone > conversation > with a very rude and arrogant man at Line6 which details why these > Echo"Pro" units are barely worth buying _even_at_$300_. > > the attitude was basically that a looper was musically useless, just > "for > fun", and that it was "unreasonable" of me to expect _any_ controls or > features beyond what Line6 had deigned to offer me. > > there will be other looptools ... > > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 05:56:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA26220; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:56:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:56:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:56:03 EDT Subject: Re: EDP - Sync With Cubase Problem - Strange To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi Andy, > > Not sure what you mean when saying "...because you want the sync to arrive > at the EDP later than the loop end, rather than earlier." > > I'm pressing the Record switch during the last bar I'm recording so the EDP > stops recording on the downbeat of the following measure. I'm doing this > so I know I have a loop of X bars at a predetermined bpm. As long as what your doing works as expected, then you can ignore that :-) Syncing a looper to MIDI is always going to be imperfect, as the MIDI standard just isn't accurate enough for audio. So every time the EDP syncs it has to make a correction. The MIDI sync will occur either before or after the actual end(=start) of the EDP loop, so there are 2 ways a sync can happen. 1) the EDP has played past the loop end by the time the sync arrives, so in order to sync it simply restarts the loop again. (sequencer was a little slow) 2) the EDP hasn't got to the end of the loop by the time the sync arrives, so when the EDP restarts the loop it jumps back almost the whole loop. (and if either the sync is spot on, or too far out, no correction is done) In Loop4, you can see the dot to the Left of the Multiply display flash when this happens, bright for 2), faint for 1) (see p31 of the loop4 manual) In the case of 2), what happens to any overdubbed material when the loop "jumps back"???? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 06:38:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA30206; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:38:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:38:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.6; T1.001; A1.47; B2.12; Q2.03) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:37:53 UT From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Epoch: 1029235074 X-Sasl-enc: rCNkEJR10prMkFwiutpnbQ Subject: OT:musical hair Message-Id: <20020813103753.84ECB2FD18@server3.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just had to share this with someone, and since we're all musicians here, I thought some might get a kick out of it. I found this hair in the bathroom sink after I got out of the shower today: http://free.hostdepartment.com/schnack/gclefhair.jpg Ernesto -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm Any faster and it wouldn't be email! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 09:41:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16656; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:41:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:41:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: musical hair Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:40:41 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: musical hair Thread-Index: AcJCtbXpOfcCfgA8ROG/v2dkHMOyzQAGS/WA From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2002 13:40:41.0773 (UTC) FILETIME=[044EC5D0:01C242CF] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id JAA16601 Resent-Message-ID: <3ZyfnC.A.oDE.axQW9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com that is incredible!!!!!! WOW!!!! -----Original Message----- From: ernesto schnack [mailto:schnack@mailbolt.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 5:38 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT:musical hair I just had to share this with someone, and since we're all musicians here, I thought some might get a kick out of it. I found this hair in the bathroom sink after I got out of the shower today: http://free.hostdepartment.com/schnack/gclefhair.jpg Ernesto -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm Any faster and it wouldn't be email! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 10:39:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22294; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:37:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:37:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:37:17 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: musical hair To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01fa01c242d6$ecbcdcb0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com good thing it wasn't curlier... > I just had to share this with someone, and since we're all musicians > here, I thought some might get a kick out of it. > > I found this hair in the bathroom sink after I got out of the shower > today: > http://free.hostdepartment.com/schnack/gclefhair.jpg > > Ernesto From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 11:54:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30565; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:53:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:53:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020813155235.93111.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:52:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Pedro Felix Subject: Gigging in the NYC Thurs. Aug 15 at 10 pm To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com one and all - on Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 10 pm performing at Chama 332 East 4th Street between B/C New York, New York 646-654-6472 http://www.gargoylemechanique.com/chama/chama_main.html looping in real time utilizing Digitech delays and an EDP, I will perform from 10 to just after midnight or so. there are no MP3's, no website, but there is live music to be heard. I believe I may have a poem or two floating around cyber-space, but otherwise my art is not intended for, or suited to same. once again would appreciate seeing/meeting any LD members. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 12:47:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04801; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:47:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:47:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:48:41 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP - Sync With Cubase Problem - Strange Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <97exXD.A.VIB.mfTW9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andy, I am not sure whether you just explain what would be if not was what is... so to leave no doubt (Kim posted about it before): While Overdub is on or feedback reduced, we dont sync at all, in order not to loose any changes the user brings... even the short jump of late sync case 1) would cause some bump in the loop... But we will figure out a way arround this for next version, if we sit together long enough in two weeks, right? ;-) > > Not sure what you mean when saying "...because you want the sync to arrive >> at the EDP later than the loop end, rather than earlier." >> >> I'm pressing the Record switch during the last bar I'm recording so the EDP >> stops recording on the downbeat of the following measure. I'm doing this >> so I know I have a loop of X bars at a predetermined bpm. > >As long as what your doing works as expected, then you can ignore >that :-) > >Syncing a looper to MIDI is always going to be imperfect, as the >MIDI standard just isn't accurate enough for audio. >So every time the EDP syncs it has to make a correction. >The MIDI sync will occur either before or after the actual end(=start) >of the EDP loop, so there are 2 ways a sync can happen. > >1) the EDP has played past the loop end by the time the sync >arrives, so in order to sync it simply restarts the loop again. >(sequencer was a little slow) > >2) the EDP hasn't got to the end of the loop by the time the >sync arrives, so when the EDP restarts the loop it jumps >back almost the whole loop. > >(and if either the sync is spot on, or too far out, no correction is done) > >In Loop4, you can see the dot to the Left of the Multiply display flash when >this happens, bright for 2), faint for 1) >(see p31 of the loop4 manual) > >In the case of 2), what happens to any overdubbed material when >the loop "jumps back"???? > > >andy butler > -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 12:47:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04815; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:47:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:47:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:48:47 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: price drop on Line 6 rack units Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >>>>No mention of feedback in the 60 second looper--but I'm sure the 2.5 >second >delay models all have regeneration control. > >Hmmm... as I understand it, the DL4 loop setting has a *fixed* regeneration >rate of about 95%, with each layer fading out after about 5 minutes or so. > >I was just hoping that the Pro model offered a little more control. > >Oh well, nothing neccesarily wrong with learning to work within a specified >set of limits. Matter of fact, over the years, I've learned that having >*more* options often equals *less* output. LOL > >After all, just how much control did Fripp have over those two Revox tape >machines? not much, but the FB he had (although he may not have used it much ;-) and what he did is pretty much done... I just shortly repeat what Kim an me pointed several time at on this list: With FB constantely at max, the loop turns into a ball on a chain: The phrase you started with keeps you in the same mood, you cannot evolve when you feel its time, just revolve, chopp off... ;-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 13:26:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11523; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:25:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:25:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <1029213452.3d588d0cdbf03@www.suitandtieguy.com> Subject: Re: price drop on Line 6 rack units Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:24:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2002 17:24:55.0292 (UTC) FILETIME=[573ADBC0:01C242EE] Resent-Message-ID: <-tXBeB.A.tyC.GEUW9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > if you'll check the archives, i made a post detailing a phone conversation > with a very rude and arrogant man at Line6 which details why these > Echo"Pro" units are barely worth buying _even_at_$300_. > So, has anyone here tried their filter modeler? Jonathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 13:41:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14124; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:40:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:40:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c242bd$cbe91ee0$02f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <007101c23a66$9c8dd050$09f8c440@g0wn7> <20020802163239.31489.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> <003201c23a3f$91f37f40$09f8c440@g0wn7> <060c01c23a75$2e1f67f0$080210ac@jpalmer> <5.1.0.14.0.20020803005030.00b5f128@pop.charter.net> Subject: Re: input/output within old oberheim vs. new Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:37:23 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm looking at the guts of my oberheim as i write and i've found that R10 appears to be upgraded (brown black black red brown) but R30 isn't coded at all. it's this army green color with no bands. what might this indicate? the levels are still not anywhere near each other as my oberheim is still way more sensitive than my gibson. anybody want to trade their gibson for my oberheim? -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 13:53:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16423; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:53:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:53:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: mark_hamburg@baymoon.com Message-Id: <200208131752.KAA00901@mail.cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: price drop on Line 6 rack units Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:42:55 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/13/02 10:24 AM, Jonathan El-Bizri at ssrndpty@hotmail.com wrote: > So, has anyone here tried their filter modeler? I've got floor pedal. The synths are about as annoying as the originals. It's got lots of variations on envelope following wahs (vowel sounds, Mutron, etc.). It's got some interesting cyclic wahs including stepped filters (both sequential and random). The slow filter is a nice variation on the slow gear effect but using a filter instead. They also have some deeply twisted filter + ring modulator stuff. I would assume that the rack unit is similar but MIDI syncable, etc.. Mark P.S. Gear spam: I'm finding that for what I play, I'm not using the FM4 enough to justify the floor space. (It also has a tendency to overload my DG-Stomp which has an annoyingly limited control over input levels. I blame the DG-Stomp for that rather than the FM4.) In other words, I would be willing to part with it for Prepal - 10% fellow looper's discount + shipping or for an MM4 or DL4 if someone is planning on replacing their floor unit with a pro unit. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 14:56:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29426; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:56:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:56:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:55:14 EDT Subject: Re: Translucent Dayglow Lime Green Plastic CD mini review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <_G5tlC.A.wJH.0YVW9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael Klobuchar, In a message dated 8/12/02 9:08:09 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: >> and does everything but moonwalk > >ted.....rick does this in private all the time.....often, you have to slap >him upside the head to make him walk normal..... Heh, heh, heh . . . BTW I forgot to mention in that mini review that if any of you want a TDGLGP CD from Mr. Walker you'll have to e-mail him about it at GLOBAL@cruzio.com in order to purchase or otherwise obtain a copy. Loop.pooL Global Control's www presence is still under construction. Cheers, Ted PS Michael, how is your music coming along? Any CDs in development? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 15:00:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31654; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:00:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:00:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009201c242fc$22f0e680$1912be18@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "Kim Flint" , "Noel Figueroa" , "Louis J. Farbstein" , "Lou Farbstein" , "James Eppard" , "GCWN Editor" , "Jeff Duke" , "Looper's Delight \(E-mail\)" , "Matt Davignon" , "Rusty Cutchin" Subject: ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-changes Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:36:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Miltered: at mx Resent-Message-ID: <7u6Ck.A.BtH.jcVW9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings, all and sundry; In a day or two Deborah and I will be switrching from the wonderful (but slow) Suffolk Library e-mail system to the twentifirst century Optimum Online system. Our new e-mail address appears below. Change your address books accordingly. If this message has reached you in error, or if you can't fathom when we may have e-conversed, drop me a line with "remove" in the subject. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-in-residence coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 15:06:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00813; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:05:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:05:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d701c242fc$e9f478a0$1912be18@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "Adam Fulrath" , "Deborah Freund-Baldwin" , "Jerome Freund" , "GAIL FREUND" , "aggie/al freund" , "Kim Flint" , "Noel Figueroa" , "Louis J. Farbstein" , "Lou Farbstein" , "James Eppard" , "GCWN Editor" , "Jeff Duke" , "Looper's Delight \(E-mail\)" , "Matt Davignon" , "Rusty Cutchin" , "Corynne" , "Karl Coryat" , "john o 'connor" , "John Cerullo" , "JF Carter" , "Mimi Bradley" , "Nick Bowcott" , "Richard Birch" , "James Binnie" , "Mike Biffle" , "MARK BERNARDINI" , "David Bergstrom" , "Miguel Barella" , "Spider Barbour" , "Blossom Possum and Barbara" , "Steve Ball" , "Stephan Ball" , "K. Douglas Baldwin" , "Michael Aronna" , "Guitar Craft North America" Subject: ch-ch-ch-ch-change of e-mail address Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:58:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Miltered: at mx Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings, all and sundry; In a day or two Deborah and I will be switrching from the wonderful (but slow) Suffolk Library e-mail system to the twentifirst century Optimum Online system. Our new e-mail address appears below. Change your address books accordingly. If this message has reached you in error, or if you can't fathom when we may have e-conversed, drop me a line with "remove" in the subject. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-in-residence coyotelk@optonline.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 16:01:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12870; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:01:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:01:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020813200017.5290.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:00:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: input/output within old oberheim vs. new To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000f01c242bd$cbe91ee0$02f8c440@g0wn7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check it with an ohm meter. I listed the in circuit values to expect in my last email. bret --- Jimmy Fowler wrote: > i'm looking at the guts of my oberheim as i write and i've found that > R10 > appears to be upgraded (brown black black red brown) but R30 isn't > coded at > all. it's this army green color with no bands. what might this > indicate? > > the levels are still not anywhere near each other as my oberheim is > still > way more sensitive than my gibson. > > anybody want to trade their gibson for my oberheim? > > -jim > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 17:22:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22222; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:22:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:22:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:21:10 EDT Subject: Re: EDP - Sync With Cubase Problem - Strange To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Andy, I am not sure whether you just explain what would be if not was > what is... so to leave no doubt (Kim posted about it before): > > While Overdub is on or feedback reduced, we dont sync at all, in > order not to loose any changes the user brings... even the short jump > of late sync case 1) would cause some bump in the loop... Yes, ........it all makes sense now :-) > > But we will figure out a way arround this for next version, if we sit > together long enough in two weeks, right? ;-) Right, that and the "Great Divide Problem" andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 17:23:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22427; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:22:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:22:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <130.12c299da.2a8ad255@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:21:25 EDT Subject: Line 6 filter pro review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Line 6 Filter Pro Programmable filters and monophonic synths with MIDI sync I've had this about a month now, and it's staying in the setup. There's a selection of filters claiming to duplicate some of the sounds of popular analog filters. These are genuine stereo (unlike the FX they are based on), and sound pretty good. How good the approximations are I couldn't say, not having tried the originals Tron Up & Tron Down are based on the Mu-Tron envelope follower. Essentially the filter frequency is altered by the volume of the input. So a kind of auto wah. Very good for funk guitar & bass sounds. ... and very organic-synthy if you can add distortion between the guitar and the filter. Slow-Filter is based on a setting from an oberheim filter unit. Each note triggers a sweep of the filter frequency. You chose speed, top frequency of sweep (but not bottom) resonance and whether sweep is up or down. The usefulness is compromised by the fact that you can't alter the frequency at the bottom of the sweep. Seeker (from the Z-Vex seek wah) A band pass filter with the frequency changed by a step sequencer. You get a choice of 64 different preset patterns, and can vary the no. of steps from 2 to 9. You get to chose the speed. Obi-wah (oberheim again) is similar to Seeker, but the Left and right sides are different (even for mono input). the sequence is random and you chose low/band/high pass. Throbber (Filter Factory) LFO controlled filter. No control on LFO depth,(but all the other usual stuff) Various LFO waveforms. Remixers paradise. Spin cycle (Craig Andertons Wah/AntiWah) Double Auto-cycling wah, with opposite cycle left an right (or just one wah in mono) ..and some other filters Comet Tails 7 Parallel resonant filters. With autopan and cyclic sweep from LFO. Sort of continuously evolving. Input summed to mono. Q-Filter A very nice stereo midi controlled filter. Control resonance , frequency and Lo/Band/Hi pass. ...and also Gain. With an expression pedal this makes a fully tweakable wah-wah. The fact that you can program the gain at each end of the pedal (as well as everthing else) makes this the ultimate wah modeller. Or just use as a lo-pass remix filter. V-tron and Voice-box are meant to simulate vowel sounds. Not very exciting. Can only sweep from one vowel to another. They should have looked at the Electro Harmonix Talker Pedal. ...a wah that swept through all 5 (western) vowels like a wah. Then there's the mono-synths. They take the frequency from the input. You get to chose the output frequency, from an octave down to an octave up. Tracking is a bit variable, you need to play clean and not let the note ring too long. On guitar the low notes work better (but slightly more latency) On my fender bass, every note worked apart from low E. Pitching is a sometimes bit dubious on the higher notes, (but can be compensated by string bending) . Also the Synth tone gets more "digital" sounding as the pitch goes up. Synth-String (Roland G-700 Guitar Synth) all the nastyness of those early guitar synths. Even the latency. Sounds OK with the dry guitar mixed in. Attack Synth( Korg X911 Guitar synth) With a lot of tweaking, this one's very nice. I got a rich synth sound with filter sweep on the expression pedal. Synth-O-Matic A whole bunch of claim to be emulations. plus undocumented "PIPE" and "RING" Basically these all need careful tweaking an careful choice of playing range to work. ...but "RING" is a fabulous ring modulator sound, you get the sound, but can still get the note you expected. ...and as the unit loses track of your playing it goes straight into "short wave radio" sounds. amazing. Growler is "another G-700 sound put through the Mutron. ...disappointing. Octisynth produces a synth tone with the frequency dependent on input volume. (or can get a note related to input by tweaking) ...guess they couldn't think of anything else ;-) i got "that 70's disco syn-drum sound" out of it. Could be exactly what your looking for though. Overall the filters are good, and the Synths are, well, usable if your willing to put a lot of time in. The supplied presets show off the filters quite well, but don't get anything special out of the synths. Being able to MIDI sync (to EDP) is amazing, with the Seeker step filter running in time with the loop. etc....etc...etc.. Manual is easy, but then its not a hard unit to operate. Expression pedal really opens things up, use MIDI or the "line 6 expression pedal". I'd strongly criticise line 6 for not telling what pedal would be usable, however luckily I'm able to reveal that its a 100k lin pot connected to a mono jack. (100k log works OK) I've managed to crash it 3 times, but don't think this will happen often (wouldn't even respond to power off control) this was while heavily tweakin the Synth-O-Matic. Setting the expression pedal is easy, but can't do it when MIDI syncing. When MIDI syncing you get to chose the note value for the LFO rate, and you can re-trigger the LFO . (this is the worst part of the user interface, have to cycle through all the values to get to the one you want, and the display is poor; hard to see, and invisable if you're above the unit) Things they missed out:- You can't mix the input with the synth to pass through the filter. Should have added a simple octave divider. Not as good as the more expensive studio filters, (Sherman, Mutator) ..but now being sold off at a reasonable price. also check out :- Electrix now getting cheaper MAM Filters (quirky, very analog) Behringer Modulizer (incredibly cheap with good MIDI filter) Behringer Virtualizer 2024 (filters sub oct and oddness) you could get two of the above for the same money. Conclusion. Try before you buy, but don't just try the presets. Generally big sounds. (but good contrasts ) Decor up to RW standards (bright purple) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 18:30:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31032; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:23:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:23:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <130.12c299da.2a8ad255@aol.com> Subject: Re: Line 6 filter pro review Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:22:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2002 22:22:08.0474 (UTC) FILETIME=[DCA27BA0:01C24317] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks mark and andy! That was really helpful. So, all in all an ok unit, but not perfect. Kind of explains the number I've seen on harmony central's board of used lust... I was specificly hoping to use it for the mono synth sounds, which it doesn't sound like many people are too happy with - it seems more like a wah pedal on steroids... I'll have to check it out myself next time I'm near one... thanks, again, Jonathan would be a little tighter than you describe - so ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 2:21 PM Subject: Line 6 filter pro review > The Line 6 Filter Pro > Programmable filters and monophonic synths with MIDI sync > > I've had this about a month now, and it's staying in the setup. > > There's a selection of filters claiming to > duplicate some of the sounds of popular analog filters. > These are genuine stereo (unlike the FX they are based on), and sound pretty > good. > How good the approximations are I couldn't say, not having > tried the originals > > Tron Up & Tron Down are based on the Mu-Tron envelope > follower. > Essentially the filter frequency is altered by the volume of the input. > So a kind of auto wah. > Very good for funk guitar & bass sounds. > ... and very organic-synthy if you can add distortion between the guitar > and the filter. > > Slow-Filter is based on a setting from an oberheim filter unit. > Each note triggers a sweep of the filter frequency. > You chose speed, top frequency of sweep (but not bottom) > resonance and whether sweep is up or down. > The usefulness is compromised by the fact that you can't > alter the frequency at the bottom of the sweep. > > Seeker (from the Z-Vex seek wah) > A band pass filter with the frequency changed by a step > sequencer. > You get a choice of 64 different preset patterns, and can vary the no. of > steps from 2 to 9. > You get to chose the speed. > > Obi-wah (oberheim again) > is similar to Seeker, but the Left and right sides are different > (even for mono input). > the sequence is random and you chose low/band/high pass. > > Throbber (Filter Factory) > LFO controlled filter. > No control on LFO depth,(but all the other usual stuff) > Various LFO waveforms. > Remixers paradise. > > Spin cycle (Craig Andertons Wah/AntiWah) > Double Auto-cycling wah, with opposite cycle left an right > (or just one wah in mono) > > ..and some other filters > > Comet Tails > 7 Parallel resonant filters. > With autopan and cyclic sweep from LFO. > Sort of continuously evolving. > Input summed to mono. > > Q-Filter > A very nice stereo midi controlled filter. > Control resonance , frequency and Lo/Band/Hi pass. > ...and also Gain. > With an expression pedal this makes a fully > tweakable wah-wah. The fact that you can program the gain > at each end of the pedal (as well as everthing else) makes > this the ultimate wah modeller. > Or just use as a lo-pass remix filter. > > V-tron and Voice-box > are meant to simulate vowel sounds. > Not very exciting. Can only sweep from one vowel to > another. > They should have looked at the Electro Harmonix Talker Pedal. > ...a wah that swept through all 5 (western) vowels like a wah. > > > Then there's the mono-synths. > They take the frequency from the input. > You get to chose the output frequency, from an octave down > to an octave up. > Tracking is a bit variable, you need to play clean and > not let the note ring too long. > On guitar the low notes work better (but slightly more latency) > On my fender bass, every note worked apart from low E. > Pitching is a sometimes bit dubious on the higher notes, > (but can be compensated by string bending) . > Also the Synth tone gets more "digital" sounding as the > pitch goes up. > > Synth-String (Roland G-700 Guitar Synth) > all the nastyness of those early guitar synths. > Even the latency. > Sounds OK with the dry guitar mixed in. > > Attack Synth( Korg X911 Guitar synth) > With a lot of tweaking, this one's very nice. > I got a rich synth sound with filter sweep on > the expression pedal. > > Synth-O-Matic > A whole bunch of claim to be emulations. > plus undocumented "PIPE" and "RING" > Basically these all need careful tweaking an > careful choice of playing range to work. > ...but "RING" is a fabulous ring modulator sound, > you get the sound, but can still get the note you expected. > ...and as the unit loses track of your playing it > goes straight into "short wave radio" sounds. > amazing. > > Growler is "another G-700 sound put through the Mutron. > ...disappointing. > > Octisynth produces a synth tone with the > frequency dependent on input volume. > (or can get a note related to input by tweaking) > ...guess they couldn't think of anything else ;-) > i got "that 70's disco syn-drum sound" out of it. > Could be exactly what your looking for though. > > > Overall the filters are good, and the Synths are, > well, usable if your willing to put a lot of time in. > > The supplied presets show off the filters quite well, > but don't get anything special out of the synths. > > Being able to MIDI sync (to EDP) is amazing, > with the Seeker step filter running in time with the loop. > etc....etc...etc.. > > Manual is easy, but then its not a hard unit to operate. > > Expression pedal really opens things up, use MIDI or > the "line 6 expression pedal". > I'd strongly criticise line 6 for not telling what pedal would > be usable, however luckily I'm able to reveal that its a 100k lin pot > connected to a mono jack. (100k log works OK) > > I've managed to crash it 3 times, but don't think this will > happen often (wouldn't even respond to power off control) > this was while heavily tweakin the Synth-O-Matic. > > Setting the expression pedal is easy, but can't do it when > MIDI syncing. > > When MIDI syncing you get to chose the note value for the > LFO rate, and you can re-trigger the LFO . > (this is the worst part of the user interface, have to cycle through > all the values to get to the one you want, and the display is poor; > hard to see, and invisable if you're above the unit) > > Things they missed out:- > You can't mix the input with the synth to pass through the filter. > Should have added a simple octave divider. > > > Not as good as the more expensive studio filters, > (Sherman, Mutator) > > ..but now being sold off at a reasonable price. > > also check out :- > Electrix now getting cheaper > MAM Filters (quirky, very analog) > Behringer Modulizer (incredibly cheap with good MIDI filter) > Behringer Virtualizer 2024 (filters sub oct and oddness) > > you could get two of the above for the same money. > > Conclusion. > > Try before you buy, but don't just try the presets. > Generally big sounds. > (but good contrasts ) > > Decor up to RW standards (bright purple) > > > andy butler > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 20:03:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09494; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:57:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:57:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c24325$1e66cde0$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Acid 4.0 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:56:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01C242EA.6F1DCE40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C242EA.6F1DCE40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The newest version is not out yet but will add the following features: -Plug-In effects automation=20 -ASIO driver support=20 -5.1 surround mixing=20 -MIDI piano roll editing=20 -Yamaha OPT support -VSTi support=20 -Alternate time signatures=20 -Master, auxiliary, and effects bus tracks=20 -MIDI event list editing and step recording The midi editors are very basic I am told but the odd time sigs alone = has got me excited. 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The newest version is not out yet but will add the = following=20 features:
 
-Plug-In effects automation
-ASIO driver support =
-5.1=20 surround mixing
-MIDI piano roll editing
-Yamaha OPT = support
-VSTi=20 support
-Alternate time signatures
-Master, auxiliary, and = effects bus=20 tracks
-MIDI event list editing and step recording
 
The midi editors are very basic I am told but the = odd time=20 sigs alone has got me excited.
 
Cliff
 
http://www.om-studios.com ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C242EA.6F1DCE40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 20:16:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12295; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:16:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:16:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f501c24327$9e0af920$e663f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200208131741.NAA14348@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Critique of Critique of Feedback at Max Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:14:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers Delight members: I want to get something off my chest: Matthias (whose music I adore and who I consider a good new friend) wrote: "I just shortly repeat what Kim an me pointed several time at on this list: With FB constantely at max, the loop turns into a ball on a chain: The phrase you started with keeps you in the same mood, you cannot evolve when you feel its time, just revolve, chopp off... ;-" This can happen, certainly, but there are many ways of making music. I, personally, am not a fan of Jazz Fusion as an example, but to categorically state that this music keeps you in the same mood because I don't happen to enjoy the form is absurd. In my work, I have loved the fact that one can use terrace dynamics (adding static musical elements in a layering fashion) and 'dub' techniques (chopping out static musical elements or processing them) to create all kinds of complexity: both musical and emotional. I strive for emotionality in my own music. The limitations of 'repetitive' looping pose their own unique sets of problems, but I really enjoy the challenge of extreme minimalism. Why else would I delight in playing Dayglo Green Plastic so damned much. It is really difficult to do ANYTHING interesting under such minimalistic settings but that challenge is what goads me on. I love repetition, personally. I have loved Terry Riley, Philip Glass, Hamza El Din, Reggae, et. al. It's really o.k. if Kim or Mattias don't. But let's keep our communications and our aesthetic biases clear. A personal aesthetic predilection is exactly that: a personal predilection. It's ok to have them without being judgemental about others. Brian Eno said that if everybody on earth were given a red crayon and white piece of paper and enjoined to draw a drawing of a house and a tree, that with everyone who could physically comply, this would produce 5 or 6 billion drawings and everyone of them would would be different: NO TWO ALIKE! And yet, houses and trees are not made of red wax and white celluose (in most cases ;-)so that every drawing would be a creative filtering of the image of these objects through the minds of the drawer. Every one (whether you like it or not) would be a CREATION. Everyone is Creative. I think there is a disturbing trend in western culture specifically to be perfectionistic and judgemental. I think that we, as artists and loopers have a great opportunity to reverse this trend (if only in a small,small way) and actively support people's creativity. It's all good. Y2K2 was amazing to me for the incredible diversity of how people are using creativity, fromAndre LaFosse's performance which may have not ever repeated a phrase to David Van Brink's minimalist looping sequences which may not have ever had a variation. What a celebration of creativity. There, I've said my piece! yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 20:18:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12610; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:17:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:17:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.148.119.83] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EMI 2|6 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:16:54 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2002 00:16:54.0539 (UTC) FILETIME=[E50C9DB0:01C24327] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone checked out Emagic's little blue box yet? thanks LOU _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 20:39:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14551; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:39:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:39:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c2432b$102aa480$e3981cd5@hyeena> From: "Jukka Andersson" To: References: Subject: Re: EMI 2|6 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:39:35 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <249FtC.A.oiD.IaaW9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com have one... USB does work! but I would count only in Intel USB chipsets even it seems to work quite ok in mine SiS chipset. plastic is plastic and metal is metal that is fact but I guess it only need little extra care plus it comes with own leather(like?) case. but the sound is great and even it does seem to be only unbalanced it does carry 0dBU signal so it can be used in both systems. .jukka ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Rossi" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 3:16 AM Subject: EMI 2|6 > > > Has anyone checked out Emagic's little blue box yet? > > thanks > LOU > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 20:58:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16204; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:58:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:58:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.204.75.54] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alesis Boxes Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:57:09 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2002 00:57:10.0093 (UTC) FILETIME=[84D4E7D0:01C2432D] Resent-Message-ID: <6toWnC.A.q8D.EsaW9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Howdy, Has anyone tried out those new-ish Alesis F/X boxes? I'm interested in the one that does all the different versions of "Hi-Fi"(60's 70's, 80's digital etc) as well as simulate something played on vinyl...ahhh records remember when kids? Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 21:03:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18032; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:03:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:03:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c2432e$5874c740$0301000a@yourw92p4bhlzg> From: "dstyles" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:03:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C242F3.AB658B00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <-s5_7.A.dZE.HxaW9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C242F3.AB658B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C242F3.AB658B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C242F3.AB658B00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 22:10:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23934; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:10:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:10:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:09:45 -0400 From: Lee Barnes Subject: OT: Solid State 2 x 12 Combo Amplifiers In-reply-to: <000101c2423d$db00dba0$4707f843@gary> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0TU8d.A.P1F.VvbW9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all, Have a slightly off-topic question about solid state 2 x 12 combo amplifiers out there; can anyone or any two recommend a road-worthy combo amplifier out there that can handle tunings for extended range instruments (have an 8-string guitar)? I'm more interested in clean sounds with lots of reverb, vs. using either compression or distortion, any help is duly appreciated! Currently using a Mesa Boogie-clone of a Carvin amplifier (older early 80's I think) and when either the B or the F# strings come into play (especially open notes) the amp just starts distorting on me... The only other features I'm really looking for are a built in plate or spring reverb tank and an effects loop (ok, coming back on topic)... Thanks again! Lee From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 22:14:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24448; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:13:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:13:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c24338$879ae4a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: Solid State 2 x 12 Combo Amplifiers Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:15:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The newer Roland JC-120's have an effects loop. And everything else you're looking for. I love my older ones (no effects loop). Dig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Barnes" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:09 PM Subject: OT: Solid State 2 x 12 Combo Amplifiers > Hey all, > > Have a slightly off-topic question about solid state 2 x 12 combo > amplifiers out there; can anyone or any two recommend a road-worthy combo > amplifier out there that can handle tunings for extended range instruments > (have an 8-string guitar)? I'm more interested in clean sounds with lots of > reverb, vs. using either compression or distortion, any help is duly > appreciated! > > Currently using a Mesa Boogie-clone of a Carvin amplifier (older early 80's > I think) and when either the B or the F# strings come into play (especially > open notes) the amp just starts distorting on me... > > The only other features I'm really looking for are a built in plate or > spring reverb tank and an effects loop (ok, coming back on topic)... > > Thanks again! > > > Lee > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 22:23:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25395; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:23:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:23:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: <1a8.6b6c67a.2a8b18fb@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:22:51 EDT Subject: Re: OT: Solid State 2 x 12 Combo Amplifiers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a8.6b6c67a.2a8b18fb_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1a8.6b6c67a.2a8b18fb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lee, I can recommend the new Ultrasound 250 watt combo to you. It was recently introduced at the Namm Show and is going into production, soon. I think it is great for the extended ranges like those of a guitar synth. It's actually an acoustic guitar amp and is a biamp configuration with two resident speakers and horns. It works great for a 7 string, and bass too..so, it should work for your 8 string. Since it is high output, it has a lot of headroom and no limiters or compressors like typical acoustic guitar amps.....This one is a killer....It has two channels, digital effects, and lots of output possibilities...stereo line out, mono line out, xlr direct out...you name it. For more info on it contact Dan Gore at Ultraamps@aol.com. Hope I've been of some help to you. Best Regards, Wayne Wesley Johnson Wannadu, LLC 7 Avenida Vista Grande #-260 Santa Fe, NM 87508 phone: 505.466.8700 fax: 505.466.8702 email: Wjguitar@aol.com or WannaduLLC@aol.com website: http://wannadu.com --part1_1a8.6b6c67a.2a8b18fb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lee,

I can recommend the new Ultrasound 250 watt combo to you.  It was recently introduced at the Namm Show and is going into production, soon.  I think it is great for the extended ranges like those of a guitar synth.  It's actually an acoustic guitar amp and is a biamp configuration with two resident speakers and horns. It works great for a 7 string, and bass too..so, it should work for your 8 string.  Since it is high output, it has a lot of headroom and no limiters or compressors like typical acoustic guitar amps.....This one is a killer....It has two channels, digital effects,  and lots of output possibilities...stereo line out, mono line out, xlr direct out...you name it.  For more info on it contact Dan Gore at Ultraamps@aol.com.  Hope I've been of some help to you. 

Best Regards,
Wayne Wesley Johnson

Wannadu, LLC
7 Avenida Vista Grande #-260
Santa Fe, NM 87508

phone: 505.466.8700

fax: 505.466.8702

email: Wjguitar@aol.com   or  WannaduLLC@aol.com
website:  http://wannadu.com


 --part1_1a8.6b6c67a.2a8b18fb_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 22:43:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27480; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:42:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:42:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Invsblmn3000@aol.com Message-ID: <3d.229860f7.2a8b1d83@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:42:11 EDT Subject: The Legendary Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Delay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Howdy, Loopy Ones... I'm a bit new to the list (enjoying it immensely) but I couldn't resist inquiring about a piece of gear that has, no doubt, been discussed at great length by you long-time list members. Pardon me if the following question is a bit on the well worn side... Does anyone know if Electro-Harmonix has any plans to reissue the 16 Second Delay? It seems that Electro-Harmonix has seen fit to reissue certain units of lesser legendary stature. (Bass Balls anyone?) I wonder if they're aware of the existence of this Looping Community. Anyone know someone who knows someone who might know something? Are there enough interested people on this list to launch any kind of measureable e-mail campaign? (You can't tell I really want one, can you?) I only had a chance to use an EH 16 Second Delay a handful of times, way back when, in the early 80s, when I was a bit too poor to afford one. But it was one cool piece of gear, that much I remember. Hell, if they came out with one today, I'd probably buy two. (Just in case they discontinued 'em again.) Oh well, enough rambling for now. Just couldn't help wondering... :-) Later, Earth People. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 23:03:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30195; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:03:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:03:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:02:23 -0700 Subject: Re: Solid State 2 x 12 Combo Amplifiers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000701c24338$879ae4a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Message-Id: <4188FBA4-AF32-11D6-A49F-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I used to have a tube Ampeg SC160 (not sure if that was the model, but I got it in the late 80s) that I loved the tone of. I did run bass and guitar synth stuff through it and it seemed to handle fine. I miss that ol' amp. The only reason I got rid of it was it was amazingly heavy and I got tired of trying to stuff it in the trunk of my Subaru. Mark (who's got a Golf now) Sottilaro On Tuesday, August 13, 2002, at 07:15 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > The newer Roland JC-120's have an effects loop. And everything else > you're > looking for. I love my older ones (no effects loop). > > Dig > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lee Barnes" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:09 PM > Subject: OT: Solid State 2 x 12 Combo Amplifiers > > >> Hey all, >> >> Have a slightly off-topic question about solid state 2 x 12 combo >> amplifiers out there; can anyone or any two recommend a road-worthy >> combo >> amplifier out there that can handle tunings for extended range >> instruments >> (have an 8-string guitar)? I'm more interested in clean sounds with >> lots > of >> reverb, vs. using either compression or distortion, any help is duly >> appreciated! >> >> Currently using a Mesa Boogie-clone of a Carvin amplifier (older early > 80's >> I think) and when either the B or the F# strings come into play > (especially >> open notes) the amp just starts distorting on me... >> >> The only other features I'm really looking for are a built in plate or >> spring reverb tank and an effects loop (ok, coming back on topic)... >> >> Thanks again! >> >> >> Lee >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 23:30:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32207; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:29:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:29:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:29:08 -0700 Subject: Re: The Legendary Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Delay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3d.229860f7.2a8b1d83@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Welcome to the list. A little while ago we decided that nothing came close to this little box. Alas, I don't think there's been any talk of a reissue that I know of, and they still seem to fetch high prices if you can find a working one. If you go to the Loopers Delight site and do an archive search, I'm sure you'll find volumes on the subject. In other news, Electrix has folded taking what I think was the only stereo looping hardware, the Repeater, along with it. Gibson still is producing the Echoplex Digital Pro, and Line 6 has just announced a massive price drop on it's Pro Delay modeler. It's a jungle out there. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, August 13, 2002, at 07:42 PM, Invsblmn3000@aol.com wrote: > Howdy, Loopy Ones... > > I'm a bit new to the list (enjoying it immensely) but I couldn't resist > inquiring about a piece of gear that has, no doubt, been discussed at > great > length by you long-time list members. Pardon me if the following > question is > a bit on the well worn side... > > Does anyone know if Electro-Harmonix has any plans to reissue the 16 > Second > Delay? > > It seems that Electro-Harmonix has seen fit to reissue certain units of > lesser legendary stature. (Bass Balls anyone?) > > I wonder if they're aware of the existence of this Looping Community. > > Anyone know someone who knows someone who might know something? > > Are there enough interested people on this list to launch any kind of > measureable e-mail campaign? (You can't tell I really want one, can > you?) > > I only had a chance to use an EH 16 Second Delay a handful of times, > way back > when, in the early 80s, when I was a bit too poor to afford one. But it > was > one cool piece of gear, that much I remember. Hell, if they came out > with one > today, I'd probably buy two. (Just in case they discontinued 'em again.) > > Oh well, enough rambling for now. Just couldn't help wondering... :-) > > Later, Earth People. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 13 23:41:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00853; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:40:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:40:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:39:15 -0600 Subject: Re: The Legendary Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Delay From: Adam Schabtach To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3d.229860f7.2a8b1d83@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am also new to this list (hello, everyone!), so forgive me if this has often been stated, but I've heard that a reissue of the 16-Second delay is unlikely because the chips used for the delay line itself are no longer in production. --Adam -- Adam Schabtach adam@studionebula.com http://www.studionebula.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 01:24:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08774; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:24:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:24:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D59E877.A952911B@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:19:50 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: San Francisco - Oakland - Los Angeles Gig and Clinic Spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello list, I have a California mini-tour coming up next week, in three stages: 1) The Solo Gig Thursday, August 22 509 Cultural Center 509 Ellis Street (between Leavenworth and Hyde Streets) San Francisco, CA $6-$10 Sliding Scale This is an installment of the Luggage Store Gallery Creative Music Thursdays series. Please note that the gig is at the 509 Cultural Center, and NOT the "regular" Luggage Store localle. I'll be doing my solo looping thing at 9:00 PM, with the Che Guevarra Memorial Marching (and Stationary) Accordian Band (!) opening the show at 8:00. 2) Bay Area Echoplex Open Session Saturday, August 24 3150 Adeline St., Oakland, CA 2:00 PM until 6:00 - ish (or whenever everyone leaves) $5 - $10 suggested donation A clinic, a hang, an open forum, and maybe more, hosted by Kim Flint. The idea is for any interested parties to show up, and we'll bat around ideas, answer questions, demonstrate approaches, attempt to demystify any mystification which may exist, and basically compare notes on the EDP and looping in general. If anyone's interested in bringing their own EDP and instrument(s) along to do some playing and get some specific feedback/critiques/praise/suggestions from folks there, I think that'd be great. If you want to play but doesn't have your own speaker enclosures, let Kim know so that he can see about procuring a PA for the day. 3) Los Angeles American Composer's Forum Tech Salon, with Richard Zvonar, Peter Freeman, Carl Stone, and myself Sunday, August 25 Rocco's (http://www.roccoinla.com/) 6320 Santa Monica Blvd., Hollywood, CA 2:00 PM An event very graciously organized by Dr. Richard Zvonar, this will be a combination clinic/performance/panel discussion featuring Richard discussing the history of looping, myself presenting the EDP, Peter Freeman showcasing the Repeater and PCM 80, and laptop guru Carl Stone discussing Max/MSP. Exactly where any of this will fall along the performance/clinic/discussion axis is open to each participant... Looking forward to seeing some of you next week! --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 02:34:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12842; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:34:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:34:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D59F906.C770BD2C@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:30:29 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Critique of Critique of Feedback at Max References: <200208131741.NAA14348@hemlock.violacea.com> <00f501c24327$9e0af920$e663f93f@global> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh my, it's some loop philosophy... how can I resist? 8() How ya doin', Rick? "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: > Matthias (whose music I adore and who I consider a good new friend) > wrote: > > "I just shortly repeat what Kim an me pointed several time at on this > list: > With FB constantely at max, the loop turns into a ball on a chain: The > phrase you started with keeps you in the same mood, you cannot evolve when > you feel its time, just revolve, chopp off... ;-" > > This can happen, certainly, but there are many ways of making music. > I, personally, am not a fan of Jazz Fusion as an example, > but to categorically state that this music keeps you in the same mood > because I don't happen to enjoy the form is absurd. I personally didn't take Matthias' comment as an aesthetic judgement at all. To me, it's an expression of a technical concern, and a very important and valid one at that: what do you do with a loop once you've built up a texture, if you don't have feedback control? I would speculate that the comment about "the same mood" is not a reflection of Matthias' personal listening taste, but rather the loopists' challenge when working with a loop without feedback: how do you evolve the texture aside from either overdubbing more and more layers to it (thereby creating an ever-denser texture), and/or ending it abruptly (which are the two possibilities Matthias described in his original remark)? Feedback is an incredible tool for this sort of thing, and Matthias' incredibly fluid and organic style would be unthinkable without it. It's just like I couldn't imagine doing what I like to do without a momentary Replace function (and, increasingly, 8th/cycle quantization, cycle-quantized loop switching, DirectMIDI, etc. etc.) - that's MY own solution to how I develop a loop and change its direction. (Ironically enough, I can regularly play a whole concert without ever touching the feedback control...) > I love repetition, personally. I have loved Terry Riley, Philip Glass, > Hamza El Din, Reggae, et. al. I like their stuff too. And I would point to works like "In C" or "Music For 18 Musicians" as good general examples of the sort of principle Matthias is talking about: the idea that you can evolve the loop by fading various elements in and out of the picture, and that over time, the entire textural content of a basic "loop" can completely change and evolve, in subtle and organic ways. > It's really o.k. if Kim or Mattias don't. But let's keep our > communications and our aesthetic biases clear. A personal aesthetic > predilection is exactly that: a personal predilection. It's ok to have > them without being judgemental about others. I don't believe either Kim or Matthias are opposed to repetitive music - if they were, they'd very likely find something to do with their lives other than design looping software! 8() And in the case of Kim and Matthias, it's important to remember that you're talking about two guys who have designed several versions of a software which is utterly without peer in its particular focus and design angle. There are things the EDP was doing in its software version 8 years ago that STILL haven't been duplicated or matched. I can only imagine how frustrating it must sometimes be to have spent so much time working on an instrument that's still so underrated and misunderstood. So I'm all for discussing these expanded possibilities, because it increases the general understanding of the tools of the trade. And it also allows a fascinating insight into some of the creative corners of the design process in general. For instance, the EDP's painstakingly-programmed 127 discreet feedback values assume a tremendous amount of significance when you see and hear Matthias' seamless work. Some of the more "out there" Echoplex functions make more sense when you find out that Kim Flint is a big hip-hop, jungle, and heavy metal fan. I think it's fantastic that there are folks like yourself, Rick, who are making great music with very simple units like a DL4. But I also think it's important to make people in general aware of the possibilities that lie beyond simply recording, repeating, and overdubbing. A lot of these techniques are not very difficult to use, they already exist in many of the devices people presently own, and they can open tremendous doors into different technical and aesthetic avenues. It's one thing to choose to work within very tight technical constraints, the way you have. But it's another thing to be unwittingly constrained by one's own expectations of the parameters that are available, simply because they never explored the other options out there, you know? > Everyone is Creative. I think there is a disturbing trend in western > culture specifically to be perfectionistic and judgemental. > I think that we, as artists and loopers have a great opportunity to > reverse this trend (if only in a small,small way) and actively support > people's creativity. It's all good. I agree that it's important to encourage people to do their thing. But I also adamently feel that it's JUST as important to approach an art form from a respectfully critical point of view. In other words, don't just settle for what's commonly available. Don't just work within the parameters of what we commonly associate with these tools. Don't just accept that looping HAS to sound a certain way. Why shouldn't we challenge ourselves - and one another - in a healthy, respectful, encouraging way, to go beyond what we expect, and what we already know we can do? I haven't seen anything that Kim or Matthias have said that I would describe as disrespectful to other people's music. Can they be blunt? You bet. Direct? Absolutely. Fed up with the status quo? For sure. Challenging? I sure HOPE so. But I think that's how any art form grows and develops - by having a healthy dissatisfaction with the way things are already done. Maybe this is easy for me to say, Rick, since I've heard both of these gentlement express their very deep respect and appreciation for your music. So I know they're not knockin' ya... far from it, in fact. Well damn, I guess this is a brain spew and a half. Time to get back to practicing! Hope y'all are well tonight. Woo hah, --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 04:05:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA18827; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:02:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:02:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:01:20 -0800 Subject: Re: Critique of Critique of Feedback at Max From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D59F906.C770BD2C@earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <372kL.A.7iE.x5gW9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com eye 4 one luv the ball&chain analogy. it defines wot i dew w/ my surfee looping... "locked in' is a surfing term which defines a surfer 2 B in a position where it is impossible to pull out even if you wanted to and to be positioned in the perfect spot on the wave. and thats Y i love the looper t shirt which says something about 100% feedback... s > Oh my, it's some loop philosophy... how can I resist? 8() > > How ya doin', Rick? > > "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: > >> Matthias (whose music I adore and who I consider a good new friend) >> wrote: >> >> "I just shortly repeat what Kim an me pointed several time at on this >> list: >> With FB constantely at max, the loop turns into a ball on a chain: The >> phrase you started with keeps you in the same mood, you cannot evolve when >> you feel its time, just revolve, chopp off... ;-" >> >> This can happen, certainly, but there are many ways of making music. >> I, personally, am not a fan of Jazz Fusion as an example, >> but to categorically state that this music keeps you in the same mood >> because I don't happen to enjoy the form is absurd. > > I personally didn't take Matthias' comment as an aesthetic judgement at > all. To me, it's an expression of a technical concern, and a very > important and valid one at that: what do you do with a loop once you've > built up a texture, if you don't have feedback control? > > I would speculate that the comment about "the same mood" is not a > reflection of Matthias' personal listening taste, but rather the > loopists' challenge when working with a loop without feedback: how do > you evolve the texture aside from either overdubbing more and more > layers to it (thereby creating an ever-denser texture), and/or ending it > abruptly (which are the two possibilities Matthias described in his > original remark)? > > Feedback is an incredible tool for this sort of thing, and Matthias' > incredibly fluid and organic style would be unthinkable without it. > It's just like I couldn't imagine doing what I like to do without a > momentary Replace function (and, increasingly, 8th/cycle quantization, > cycle-quantized loop switching, DirectMIDI, etc. etc.) - that's MY own > solution to how I develop a loop and change its direction. (Ironically > enough, I can regularly play a whole concert without ever touching the > feedback control...) > >> I love repetition, personally. I have loved Terry Riley, Philip Glass, >> Hamza El Din, Reggae, et. al. > > I like their stuff too. And I would point to works like "In C" or > "Music For 18 Musicians" as good general examples of the sort of > principle Matthias is talking about: the idea that you can evolve the > loop by fading various elements in and out of the picture, and that over > time, the entire textural content of a basic "loop" can completely > change and evolve, in subtle and organic ways. > >> It's really o.k. if Kim or Mattias don't. But let's keep our >> communications and our aesthetic biases clear. A personal aesthetic >> predilection is exactly that: a personal predilection. It's ok to have >> them without being judgemental about others. > > I don't believe either Kim or Matthias are opposed to repetitive music - > if they were, they'd very likely find something to do with their lives > other than design looping software! 8() > > And in the case of Kim and Matthias, it's important to remember that > you're talking about two guys who have designed several versions of a > software which is utterly without peer in its particular focus and > design angle. There are things the EDP was doing in its software > version 8 years ago that STILL haven't been duplicated or matched. I > can only imagine how frustrating it must sometimes be to have spent so > much time working on an instrument that's still so underrated and > misunderstood. > > So I'm all for discussing these expanded possibilities, because it > increases the general understanding of the tools of the trade. And it > also allows a fascinating insight into some of the creative corners of > the design process in general. For instance, the EDP's > painstakingly-programmed 127 discreet feedback values assume a > tremendous amount of significance when you see and hear Matthias' > seamless work. Some of the more "out there" Echoplex functions make > more sense when you find out that Kim Flint is a big hip-hop, jungle, > and heavy metal fan. > > I think it's fantastic that there are folks like yourself, Rick, who are > making great music with very simple units like a DL4. But I also think > it's important to make people in general aware of the possibilities that > lie beyond simply recording, repeating, and overdubbing. A lot of these > techniques are not very difficult to use, they already exist in many of > the devices people presently own, and they can open tremendous doors > into different technical and aesthetic avenues. > > It's one thing to choose to work within very tight technical > constraints, the way you have. But it's another thing to be unwittingly > constrained by one's own expectations of the parameters that are > available, simply because they never explored the other options out > there, you know? > >> Everyone is Creative. I think there is a disturbing trend in western >> culture specifically to be perfectionistic and judgemental. >> I think that we, as artists and loopers have a great opportunity to >> reverse this trend (if only in a small,small way) and actively support >> people's creativity. It's all good. > > I agree that it's important to encourage people to do their thing. But > I also adamently feel that it's JUST as important to approach an art > form from a respectfully critical point of view. > > In other words, don't just settle for what's commonly available. Don't > just work within the parameters of what we commonly associate with these > tools. Don't just accept that looping HAS to sound a certain way. > > Why shouldn't we challenge ourselves - and one another - in a healthy, > respectful, encouraging way, to go beyond what we expect, and what we > already know we can do? > > I haven't seen anything that Kim or Matthias have said that I would > describe as disrespectful to other people's music. Can they be blunt? > You bet. Direct? Absolutely. Fed up with the status quo? For sure. > Challenging? I sure HOPE so. But I think that's how any art form grows > and develops - by having a healthy dissatisfaction with the way things > are already done. > > Maybe this is easy for me to say, Rick, since I've heard both of these > gentlement express their very deep respect and appreciation for your > music. So I know they're not knockin' ya... far from it, in fact. > > Well damn, I guess this is a brain spew and a half. Time to get back to > practicing! > > Hope y'all are well tonight. > > Woo hah, > > --Andre LaFosse > The Echoplex Analysis Pages: > http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 04:07:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19202; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:06:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:06:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: New clips posted + thoughts on looping and tempo manipulating Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:06:31 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <3D59F906.C770BD2C@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi list, Two short excerpts of tenor saxophone improvisations posted at http://www.loopboy.tk, clips named "Sins". I've been visiting my old parents this summer, in a tiny Swedish hut, and occasionally locked myself up in a room with sax, EDO, Repeater and a Casio stereo DAT two track recorder. The coolest thing with the REPEATER/Repeater combo MILO is that you can change the EDO 8th/cycle on the fly while playing (by FIB midi PC to zap between EDO programs of different setups). And, when slaved, Repeater then catches up beautifully to the changing tempo - performing very musical retardant and accelerando (while processing the trimesters). I was really amazed by this ;-) You can hear this happening a lot in the Sins clips. For a long time I have been missing the ability to do retardant stuff when improvising with loppers and this is great news to me! Too bad Repeater is discontinued (I've spotted one to buy as "spare part", if I could only find the money). Anyway, I guess you can do tempo changing things with two midi clock synced Epps as well. But the slaved EDO won't do a ritardando, but lock to the new tempo dead on - right? I cannot check this out as I only have one EDP. Are there others on the list that have worked out methods to manipulate tempo on the fly, while improvising? I am especially interested in learning how you combine synced looping units to create polyrhythmic patterns. And the LOOP4 really rocks! I just wish I could find a midi foot controller for the sustain commnds. Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com Phone +46 (0)8 341181 Mobile +46 (0)70 4416713 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 04:14:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19477; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:14:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:14:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: "Loopers" Subject: SV: New clips posted + thoughts on looping and tempo manipulating Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:13:59 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The coolest thing with the REPEATER/Repeater combo MILO... Ha , ha... what typos! Should be: "The coolest thing with the EDP/Repeater combo IMHO..." I happened to have a spellchecking active ;-) cheers per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 05:53:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA24590; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:53:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:53:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Legendary Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Delay Reply-To: A.Willers@t-online.de In-Reply-To: <200208140805.EAA18969@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200208140805.EAA18969@hemlock.violacea.com> From: A.Willers@t-online.de (A.Willers) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:53:21 +0000 X-Mailer: Musashi 3.2.3-es Message-ID: <17euq7-2Al408C@fwd03.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 520012547034-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:42:11 EDT > From: Invsblmn3000@aol.com > ........ > Does anyone know if Electro-Harmonix has any plans to reissue the 16 > Second > Delay? > > It seems that Electro-Harmonix has seen fit to reissue certain units of > lesser legendary stature. (Bass Balls anyone?) Rumors are that there were plans of even an upgraded (Midi and all!!) reissue, but some copyright status problems between EH and the original developer were still unsettled. > > I wonder if they're aware of the existence of this Looping Community. > > Anyone know someone who knows someone who might know something? > > Are there enough interested people on this list to launch any kind of > measureable e-mail campaign? (You can't tell I really want one, can you?) Good question(s), in fact. I'd really be into standing on their toes some more regarding this unique piece of equipment. I keep hearing that it's not advisable to go and buy an old unit since they are very pricey and prone to breakdowns..... Best, Andreas Willers From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 08:24:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA00849; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:23:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:23:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <110.16ab9fd1.2a8ba59f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:22:55 EDT Subject: Re: The Legendary Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Delay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sine@zerocrossing.net writes: >A little while ago we decided that nothing came >close to this little box. don't include 'me' in that 'we', please! best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 09:01:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04134; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:00:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:00:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <83.1f1ea704.2a8bae2c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:59:24 EDT Subject: Re: San Francisco - Oakland - Los Angeles Gig and Clinic Spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a, which day are you leaving la for sf? d From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 11:27:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13987; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:22:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:22:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.238.19.45] From: "The Weg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Legendary Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Delay Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:19:58 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2002 15:19:59.0230 (UTC) FILETIME=[0DA451E0:01C243A6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com me either! weg From: Hedewa7@aol.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Legendary Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Delay Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:22:55 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from mc1-f29.law16.hotmail.com ([65.54.236.36]) by mc1-s6.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:25:18 -0700 Received: from hemlock.violacea.com ([207.228.238.9]) by mc1-f29.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:23:38 -0700 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA00809;Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:23:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:23:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <110.16ab9fd1.2a8ba59f@aol.com> X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Return-Path: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2002 12:23:39.0316 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B858F40:01C2438D] sine@zerocrossing.net writes: >A little while ago we decided that nothing came >close to this little box. don't include 'me' in that 'we', please! best, dt / splattercell Weg _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 11:44:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15231; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:43:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:43:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:43:03 -0700 Subject: Re: Critique of Critique of Feedback at Max From: Marklar To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D59F906.C770BD2C@earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/13/02 11:30 PM, Andre LaFosse at altruist@earthlink.net wrote: >> Matthias (whose music I adore and who I consider a good new friend) >> wrote: >> I just shortly repeat what Kim an me pointed several time at on this >> list: >> With FB constantely at max, the loop turns into a ball on a chain: The >> phrase you started with keeps you in the same mood, Then there's the technique that's often used by Peter Gabriel where the loop stays the same, but gets processed in varying ways throughout the song. Good examples are Peter's "San Jacinto" and Laurie Anderson's "Oh Superman." Very simple loops can work with a little processing, and/or interesting chord changes going on in support of the loop. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 11:54:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15803; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:54:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:54:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:53:41 -0700 Subject: Re: San Francisco - Oakland - Los Angeles Gig and Clinic Spam From: Marklar To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D59E877.A952911B@earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_s-SsC.A.O2D.E0nW9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/13/02 10:19 PM, Andre LaFosse at altruist@earthlink.net wrote: > If you want to play but doesn't have your own speaker > enclosures, let Kim know so that he can see about procuring a PA for the day. I'd be happy to donate the use of my Mackie SRM450s and a 12 channel Mackie board for the day, if needed. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 12:12:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18145; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:12:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:12:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:12:07 -0700 Subject: Re: The Legendary Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Delay From: Marklar To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, what I should have said, was that some of us decided that the EH16 was a unique box, but David Torn and Weg don't think this at all. I still remember being attacked when I suggested a few currently produced loopers that might take the place for a person who was trying to find a EH16, but could not. SO... I will say, "Several people attacked me when I suggested that other looping devices may be substituted for the EH16 if one could not be found" and those people felt that there was nothing that came close to the EH16. I can't remember who the attackers were, but THEY believe that nothing comes close. I frankly don't give a shit. Mark Sottilaro on 8/14/02 8:19 AM, The Weg at theweg@hotmail.com wrote: > me either! > weg > sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > >> A little while ago we decided that nothing came >> close to this little box. > > don't include 'me' in that 'we', please! > > best, > dt / splattercell > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 12:19:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18627; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:18:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:18:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <03c501c243ad$fdc75ee0$e53d5cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #281 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:16:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #281 August 8, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Hemisphere, a band from Germany known for dark electronic ambient excursions. The Featured CD at midnight was "Liquid Mirror" on the Groove label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Romance 76" by Peter Baumann on the Virgin label. Hemisphere http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#aug PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Peter Baumann Phase by Phase Romance 76 (Virgin) Klangwelt Connect Weltweit (Spheric) Navigator Mellowtrain advance CDR of Northern Consequence (Invisible Shadows) Navigator Ocean CDR from Jens Peschke (none) VA [Robert Rich] Mosaic The Gatherings (Synkronos) DreamLand Sunspots Underwater (Dog Fingers) 12:00 am Hemisphere In the Deep Liquid Mirror (Groove) Hemisphere Northern Horizon Liquid Mirror (Groove) Hemisphere Below Sea Level Liquid Mirror (Groove) Hemisphere We're Afloat Liquid Mirror (Groove) Hemisphere Touch the Waves Liquid Mirror (Groove) Hemisphere Liquid Mirror Part I Liquid Mirror (Groove) Hemisphere Liquid Mirror Part II Liquid Mirror (Groove) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Hemisphere. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Inversion" on the Groove label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Shadows of Light" by the Nightcrawlers on the Synkronos label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiy.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 12:40:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20951; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:39:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:39:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <194.b7c896a.2a8be17b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:38:19 EDT Subject: Re: The Legendary Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Delay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <-lp4mD.A.j-E.meoW9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com m, >OK, what I should have said, was that some of us decided that the EH16 >was a >unique box, but David Torn and Weg don't think this at all. i wasn't being snide; i just didn't agree w/the 'we' of it. i wanted to be clear, is all. sorry if you took offense! best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 12:54:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21992; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:54:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:54:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Sender: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: The Legendary Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Delay Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:53:34 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c243b3$24ab2c80$32d6f343@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <194.b7c896a.2a8be17b@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dt / splattercell replied to marlar: >OK, what I should have said, was that some of us decided that the EH16 >was a >unique box, but David Torn and Weg don't think this at all. i wasn't being snide; i just didn't agree w/the 'we' of it. i wanted to be clear, is all. **Still not clear; do you not think the EH16 has unique qualities that set it apart from the other (available) digital looping delays? Seems like the interface is unique--and the sound is probably way different than other digitals. I don't really know; I am just curious as to the specifics of why dt does want to be "we" on this one. Humbly, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 13:10:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23963; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:09:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:09:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020814170916.10883.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:09:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: FS300 resistor values To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00eb01c23b94$e447bb20$0101a8c0@o4z6b8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Luigi Meloni wrote: > Hi all. I've been trying to find an FS300 here and , since I haven't > been able to, now I've decided to build a similar pedalboard from > scratch. I already have all the pieces, so all I need to know is the > value of the resistor wired to the footswitches. Has anyone of you > their specs? Did you ever get this information? If not, I can probably measure the resistances from mine (or take it apart and look). I'm quite sure I saw this info on a website at some point, but a recent search turned up dry. I've had it apart before and the wiring is trivial. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 13:14:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24461; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:13:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:13:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020814171328.25137.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:13:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: OT: Note for mono Electrix users To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002101c23fe5$ae2339c0$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Clifford Novey wrote: > I was confused as to how to set my Filter Queen up for mono > operation- the manual was unclear etc. and Jamie of Electrix said the > use of a summing splitter was necessary. I was very surprised by > this- this post has more info: > http://www.electrixpro.com/UBB/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000084.html Cliff, Have you tried this yet? If so, was there much difference in sound? I've been using my Queen in a mono guitar amp efx loop, and thought it sounded a little thin, so I'm wondering if the Y-cord is an effective resolution to this. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 13:23:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25158; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:23:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:23:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:22:19 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: FS300 resistor values To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <010301c243b7$24f6deb0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020814170916.10883.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com they're diodes, not resistors. > --- Luigi Meloni wrote: > > Hi all. I've been trying to find an FS300 here and , since I haven't > > been able to, now I've decided to build a similar pedalboard from > > scratch. I already have all the pieces, so all I need to know is the > > value of the resistor wired to the footswitches. Has anyone of you > > their specs? > > Did you ever get this information? If not, I can probably measure the > resistances from mine (or take it apart and look). > > I'm quite sure I saw this info on a website at some point, but a recent > search turned up dry. I've had it apart before and the wiring is > trivial. > > Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 14:14:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29433; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:13:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:13:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020814181311.26633.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:13:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Line 6 Filter To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200208140058.UAA16255@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> Also good for that Jerry Garcia sound, as well. Your cover of Estimated Prophet isn't complete without it. :-) The Obi-Wah setting emulates the random setting on the Oberheim VCF pedal, which is what Frank Zappa used to get that weird jumping filter effect on Ship Ahoy from Shut Up N Play Yer Guitar Some More. I have the pedal version of the Filter Modeler, and while I do agree the synth models aren't the greatest (only the Octi-synth really comes close to being useful for my purposes), most of the other programs are great. I particular like the Mu-Tron model, Obi-wah, Seek Wah, and Q-filter settings. Using the Q-filter, I was able to get some good feedback effects. By varying the filter frequency, I could control the feedback note, to some degree. With a little echo, this becomes hellacious looping material. :-) ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 14:15:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29557; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:15:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:15:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D5A9D4D.E079B62B@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:11:25 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: San Francisco - Oakland - Los Angeles Gig and Clinic Spam References: <83.1f1ea704.2a8bae2c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 'Allo D, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > a, > which day are you leaving la for sf? Heading up there early afternoon on Wednesday the 21st, and heading back to LA immediately after the Saturday session at Kim's, so as to arive home (hopefully) by midnight or 1:00 in preparation for the Tech Salon on Sunday... Hope yer well. --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 14:22:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30160; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:22:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:22:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c243bf$7128a9a0$0101a8c0@o4z6b8> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <20020814170916.10883.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> <010301c243b7$24f6deb0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: FS300 resistor values Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:21:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Excuse me, I've seen this on some old mails, but I couldn't be able to find the wiring and the values of the diodes. I assumed they were resistors since I've found various keyboards TRS pedalboards with resistors in them. I would really like to know the wiring, since I have a built pedalboard which is only waiting for those diodes to be soldered in. Thanks Luigi ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim palmer" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 7:22 PM Subject: Re: FS300 resistor values > they're diodes, not resistors. > > > --- Luigi Meloni wrote: > > > Hi all. I've been trying to find an FS300 here and , since I haven't > > > been able to, now I've decided to build a similar pedalboard from > > > scratch. I already have all the pieces, so all I need to know is the > > > value of the resistor wired to the footswitches. Has anyone of you > > > their specs? > > > > Did you ever get this information? If not, I can probably measure the > > resistances from mine (or take it apart and look). > > > > I'm quite sure I saw this info on a website at some point, but a recent > > search turned up dry. I've had it apart before and the wiring is > > trivial. > > > > Greg > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 14:22:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30235; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:22:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:22:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <16.23bc5347.2a8bf9a5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:21:25 EDT Subject: Re: New clips posted + thoughts on looping and tempo manipulating To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per, In a message dated 8/14/02 1:06:52 AM, per@boysen.se writes: >Two short excerpts of tenor saxophone improvisations posted at >http://www.loopboy.tk, clips named "Sins". Thanks for sharing. These are great! The more I hear other instruments being looped the more bored I get hearing guitar . . . and I'm a guitarist. Best, Ted Killian http://mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 14:29:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31149; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:28:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:28:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D5AA12D.A1F8DEB7@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:27:57 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Y-cords. Safe? (was Re: OT: Note for mono Electrix users) References: <20020814171328.25137.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is the summing of two signals with a simple Y cable putting too small of a load on the op amps of the sending device? I was always taught never to do something like this. Can current componants handle the smaller impedance? Mark Sottilaro Greg House wrote: > --- Clifford Novey wrote: > > I was confused as to how to set my Filter Queen up for mono > > operation- the manual was unclear etc. and Jamie of Electrix said the > > use of a summing splitter was necessary. I was very surprised by > > this- this post has more info: > > http://www.electrixpro.com/UBB/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000084.html > > Cliff, > > Have you tried this yet? If so, was there much difference in sound? > I've been using my Queen in a mono guitar amp efx loop, and thought it > sounded a little thin, so I'm wondering if the Y-cord is an effective > resolution to this. > > Greg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 14:35:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31668; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:34:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:34:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00aa01c2438e$89e5c8f0$0bf8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <007101c23a66$9c8dd050$09f8c440@g0wn7> <20020802163239.31489.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> <003201c23a3f$91f37f40$09f8c440@g0wn7> <060c01c23a75$2e1f67f0$080210ac@jpalmer> <5.1.0.14.0.20020803005030.00b5f128@pop.charter.net> Subject: Re: input/output within old oberheim vs. new Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:31:38 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <9eirSD.A.ouH.tKqW9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i tested the unit and both resistors are the newer upgrade, measuring 10k and 22k. BUT the input/output of this oberheim compared to my gibson is still significantly different. the voltage regulator is new also. any ideas as to why they still behave differently? -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 15:07:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02431; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:06:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:06:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: RE: OT: Note for mono Electrix users Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:06:15 -0700 Message-ID: <003401c243c5$b3089e60$6401a8c0@om> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <20020814171328.25137.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just got the cables- I will report back soon with the results- S for Mark's question- I am decent with a soldering iron but inept at electrical engineering- no idea of the implications. Cliff www.om-studios.com -----Original Message----- From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:13 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Note for mono Electrix users --- Clifford Novey wrote: > I was confused as to how to set my Filter Queen up for mono > operation- the manual was unclear etc. and Jamie of Electrix said the > use of a summing splitter was necessary. I was very surprised by > this- this post has more info: > http://www.electrixpro.com/UBB/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000084.html Cliff, Have you tried this yet? If so, was there much difference in sound? I've been using my Queen in a mono guitar amp efx loop, and thought it sounded a little thin, so I'm wondering if the Y-cord is an effective resolution to this. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 15:08:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02141; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:01:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:01:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020814140050.0089b100@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:00:50 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Critique of Critique of Feedback at Max In-Reply-To: <3D59F906.C770BD2C@earthlink.net> References: <200208131741.NAA14348@hemlock.violacea.com> <00f501c24327$9e0af920$e663f93f@global> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The red pill or the blue pill? Both! M... At 11:30 PM 8/13/02 -0700, you wrote: >Oh my, it's some loop philosophy... how can I resist? 8() > >How ya doin', Rick? > >"Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: > >> Matthias (whose music I adore and who I consider a good new friend) >> wrote: >> >> "I just shortly repeat what Kim an me pointed several time at on this >> list: >> With FB constantely at max, the loop turns into a ball on a chain: The >> phrase you started with keeps you in the same mood, you cannot evolve when >> you feel its time, just revolve, chopp off... ;-" >> >> This can happen, certainly, but there are many ways of making music. >> I, personally, am not a fan of Jazz Fusion as an example, >> but to categorically state that this music keeps you in the same mood >> because I don't happen to enjoy the form is absurd. > >I personally didn't take Matthias' comment as an aesthetic judgement at >all. To me, it's an expression of a technical concern, and a very >important and valid one at that: what do you do with a loop once you've >built up a texture, if you don't have feedback control? > >I would speculate that the comment about "the same mood" is not a >reflection of Matthias' personal listening taste, but rather the >loopists' challenge when working with a loop without feedback: how do >you evolve the texture aside from either overdubbing more and more >layers to it (thereby creating an ever-denser texture), and/or ending it >abruptly (which are the two possibilities Matthias described in his >original remark)? > >Feedback is an incredible tool for this sort of thing, and Matthias' >incredibly fluid and organic style would be unthinkable without it. >It's just like I couldn't imagine doing what I like to do without a >momentary Replace function (and, increasingly, 8th/cycle quantization, >cycle-quantized loop switching, DirectMIDI, etc. etc.) - that's MY own >solution to how I develop a loop and change its direction. (Ironically >enough, I can regularly play a whole concert without ever touching the >feedback control...) > >> I love repetition, personally. I have loved Terry Riley, Philip Glass, >> Hamza El Din, Reggae, et. al. > >I like their stuff too. And I would point to works like "In C" or >"Music For 18 Musicians" as good general examples of the sort of >principle Matthias is talking about: the idea that you can evolve the >loop by fading various elements in and out of the picture, and that over >time, the entire textural content of a basic "loop" can completely >change and evolve, in subtle and organic ways. > >> It's really o.k. if Kim or Mattias don't. But let's keep our >> communications and our aesthetic biases clear. A personal aesthetic >> predilection is exactly that: a personal predilection. It's ok to have >> them without being judgemental about others. > >I don't believe either Kim or Matthias are opposed to repetitive music - >if they were, they'd very likely find something to do with their lives >other than design looping software! 8() > >And in the case of Kim and Matthias, it's important to remember that >you're talking about two guys who have designed several versions of a >software which is utterly without peer in its particular focus and >design angle. There are things the EDP was doing in its software >version 8 years ago that STILL haven't been duplicated or matched. I >can only imagine how frustrating it must sometimes be to have spent so >much time working on an instrument that's still so underrated and misunderstood. > >So I'm all for discussing these expanded possibilities, because it >increases the general understanding of the tools of the trade. And it >also allows a fascinating insight into some of the creative corners of >the design process in general. For instance, the EDP's >painstakingly-programmed 127 discreet feedback values assume a >tremendous amount of significance when you see and hear Matthias' >seamless work. Some of the more "out there" Echoplex functions make >more sense when you find out that Kim Flint is a big hip-hop, jungle, >and heavy metal fan. > >I think it's fantastic that there are folks like yourself, Rick, who are >making great music with very simple units like a DL4. But I also think >it's important to make people in general aware of the possibilities that >lie beyond simply recording, repeating, and overdubbing. A lot of these >techniques are not very difficult to use, they already exist in many of >the devices people presently own, and they can open tremendous doors >into different technical and aesthetic avenues. > >It's one thing to choose to work within very tight technical >constraints, the way you have. But it's another thing to be unwittingly >constrained by one's own expectations of the parameters that are >available, simply because they never explored the other options out >there, you know? > >> Everyone is Creative. I think there is a disturbing trend in western >> culture specifically to be perfectionistic and judgemental. >> I think that we, as artists and loopers have a great opportunity to >> reverse this trend (if only in a small,small way) and actively support >> people's creativity. It's all good. > >I agree that it's important to encourage people to do their thing. But >I also adamently feel that it's JUST as important to approach an art >form from a respectfully critical point of view. > >In other words, don't just settle for what's commonly available. Don't >just work within the parameters of what we commonly associate with these >tools. Don't just accept that looping HAS to sound a certain way. > >Why shouldn't we challenge ourselves - and one another - in a healthy, >respectful, encouraging way, to go beyond what we expect, and what we >already know we can do? > >I haven't seen anything that Kim or Matthias have said that I would >describe as disrespectful to other people's music. Can they be blunt? >You bet. Direct? Absolutely. Fed up with the status quo? For sure. >Challenging? I sure HOPE so. But I think that's how any art form grows >and develops - by having a healthy dissatisfaction with the way things >are already done. > >Maybe this is easy for me to say, Rick, since I've heard both of these >gentlement express their very deep respect and appreciation for your >music. So I know they're not knockin' ya... far from it, in fact. > >Well damn, I guess this is a brain spew and a half. Time to get back to practicing! > >Hope y'all are well tonight. > >Woo hah, > >--Andre LaFosse >The Echoplex Analysis Pages: >http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 15:43:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04174; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:42:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:42:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:42:08 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: FS300 resistor values To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <021d01c243ca$ad1a4530$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020814170916.10883.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> <010301c243b7$24f6deb0$080210ac@jpalmer> <000901c243bf$7128a9a0$0101a8c0@o4z6b8> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com here's a link to an old thread about it. http://www.loopersdelight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_hiliter/LDarchive/200104/msg00030.html?line=27#hilite any signal diode should work, you don't need power rectifiers. it seemed like someone had posted a schematic, but i didn't find it. maybe on the electrix site... > Excuse me, I've seen this on some old mails, but I couldn't be able to find > the wiring and the values of the diodes. I assumed they were resistors since > I've found various keyboards TRS pedalboards with resistors in them. > I would really like to know the wiring, since I have a built pedalboard > which is only waiting for those diodes to be soldered in. > > Thanks > Luigi From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 15:45:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04473; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:45:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:45:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c243cb$293a3da0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <000201c243b3$24ab2c80$32d6f343@gary> Subject: Re: The Legendary Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Delay Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:45:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > dt / splattercell replied to marlar: > > >OK, what I should have said, was that some of us decided that the EH16 > >was a > >unique box, but David Torn and Weg don't think this at all. > i wasn't being snide; i just didn't agree w/the 'we' of it. > i wanted to be clear, is all. > > **Still not clear; do you not think the EH16 has unique qualities that set > it apart from the other (available) digital looping delays? > Seems like the interface is unique--and the sound is probably way different > than other digitals. > I don't really know; I am just curious as to the specifics of why dt does > want to be "we" on this one. I think what the EH16 did more than anything else was raise the level of awareness for looping devices amongst those of us who were reading about it at the time; more importantly, the EH16 cost a bit less than any other delay device of its kind at the time. As a result the rather massive competition began to eventually produce units with more than 1200ms, for less than $700, which I recall was the price for the EH16. I wonder though, how many of us on this list were slavering for an EH16 when they came out, and continued to want for it in the same manner one lusts for the Girl/Guy Not Dated/etc. in High School: from afar, with a good deal of romantic (and often non-realistic) notions about What Life Would Be Like If We Had One. I also wonder whether it could be said that units like the EH16 themselves spark ideas/techniques for looping that we take almost for granted today. Would I love having a chance to play with one? You bet your ass. Would I be willing to use it as a permanent part of my setup? Not if I couldn't get rid of the noise produced by the thing. On this level the EH16 goes to the mental pit along with the equipment I learned on but would never use today, since I know better. Stephen P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Free Loop of the Week! http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack.html - More Cartoons! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 15:54:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04957; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:53:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:53:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c243cc$14cd8d80$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <000201c243b3$24ab2c80$32d6f343@gary> <003001c243cb$293a3da0$0201a8c0@eluk> Subject: Re: The Legendary Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Delay Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:52:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I assume you have never seen/heard Nels Cline use his- it might influence your stance! Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 12:45 PM Subject: Re: The Legendary Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Delay > Would I love having a chance to play with one? You bet your ass. Would I > be willing to use it as a permanent part of my setup? Not if I couldn't get > rid of the noise produced by the thing. On this level the EH16 goes to the > mental pit along with the equipment I learned on but would never use today, > since I know better. > > Stephen P. Goodman > EarthLight Productions > * > http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Free Loop of the Week! > http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons! > http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack.html - More Cartoons! > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 16:06:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06771; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:05:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:05:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D5AB7F1.890849B2@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:05:06 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Legendary Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Delay References: <194.b7c896a.2a8be17b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com None really taken, I just get a bit cranky (before morning caffeine especially) when everything is taken so seriously. Would it really be a horrible thing to be known as "David Torn: The Man Who Thought The EH16 Was UNIQUE"? Was the EH16 not a unique box? Many devices probably share some of it's functions, but at what price? Did they have as nice an interface? (and that is subjective) Funky foot controller? The PCM42 was for sure a more "hi-fi" box aimed at studio applications, where as the EH16 seemed to be aimed at guitarists (Fripp in a box) as a stomp box. All of these differences to all other devices make it... unique? Am I wrong here? Now, of course there are a bunch of looping devices out there, some that behaved in similar fashion to the EH16. Frankly, my Repeater with a Lexicon MPX1 in it's effects loop will run rings around the EH16. IN MY OPINION. But that's not what I was saying. I was saying that the EH16 was not exactly like anything else. But when you say that you don't think it's unique, you are telling me that you know of something that's exactly like it. Well, that's nice. Welcome to my United States of Whatever. Basically, when I answered the two people that came on and said, "I'm new to the list, does anyone know about the EH16?" I just wanted to try and be helpful to point out devices that do exist that can easily be obtained, not to suggest that one my ever totally replace a dead product like the EH16. If someone came on and said, "I'm new to looping and I want to buy a Repeater, but can't find one..." I'd say, "Well, it's dead, but you might want to check out the EDP." Not that the EDP is the same as the Repeater, but that it will probably be of interest to someone that's looking to get into looping. Anyway, I'm just trying to be a bit of a loop evangelist, and maybe help point out gear possibilities to people who are looking for gear that is no longer made. It seems that when I do this, someone has to come down on me for suggesting that something could possibly take the place of their beloved . Well, something WILL take the place of dead gear. It's inevitable. Evolution doesn't mean things get better. It just means things change. Mark Sottilaro Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > m, > > >OK, what I should have said, was that some of us decided that the EH16 > >was a > >unique box, but David Torn and Weg don't think this at all. > i wasn't being snide; i just didn't agree w/the 'we' of it. > i wanted to be clear, is all. > sorry if you took offense! > best, > dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 16:45:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08744; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:45:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:45:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Critique of Critique of Feedback at Max From: Jeffrey Lomas To: LD Mailing list In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20020814140050.0089b100@mail.airmail.net> References: <200208131741.NAA14348@hemlock.violacea.com> <00f501c24327$9e0af920$e663f93f@global> <3.0.3.32.20020814140050.0089b100@mail.airmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8.99 Date: 14 Aug 2002 16:41:04 -0400 Message-Id: <1029357683.32640.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <87PfbC.A.AIC.wEsW9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is there an estimate of decay time based on position of feedback dial? For instance, how long will it take for a layer to decay completely if the feedback dial is positioned at 3 O'clock? 12 O'clock? 9 O'Clock? Regards, Jeff On Wed, 2002-08-14 at 15:00, Michael Clark wrote: > The red pill or the blue pill? Both! > > M... > > > At 11:30 PM 8/13/02 -0700, you wrote: > >Oh my, it's some loop philosophy... how can I resist? 8() > > > >How ya doin', Rick? > > > >"Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: > > > >> Matthias (whose music I adore and who I consider a good new friend) > >> wrote: > >> > >> "I just shortly repeat what Kim an me pointed several time at on this > >> list: > >> With FB constantely at max, the loop turns into a ball on a chain: The > >> phrase you started with keeps you in the same mood, you cannot evolve when > >> you feel its time, just revolve, chopp off... ;-" > >> > >> This can happen, certainly, but there are many ways of making music. > >> I, personally, am not a fan of Jazz Fusion as an example, > >> but to categorically state that this music keeps you in the same mood > >> because I don't happen to enjoy the form is absurd. > > > >I personally didn't take Matthias' comment as an aesthetic judgement at > >all. To me, it's an expression of a technical concern, and a very > >important and valid one at that: what do you do with a loop once you've > >built up a texture, if you don't have feedback control? > > > >I would speculate that the comment about "the same mood" is not a > >reflection of Matthias' personal listening taste, but rather the > >loopists' challenge when working with a loop without feedback: how do > >you evolve the texture aside from either overdubbing more and more > >layers to it (thereby creating an ever-denser texture), and/or ending it > >abruptly (which are the two possibilities Matthias described in his > >original remark)? > > > >Feedback is an incredible tool for this sort of thing, and Matthias' > >incredibly fluid and organic style would be unthinkable without it. > >It's just like I couldn't imagine doing what I like to do without a > >momentary Replace function (and, increasingly, 8th/cycle quantization, > >cycle-quantized loop switching, DirectMIDI, etc. etc.) - that's MY own > >solution to how I develop a loop and change its direction. (Ironically > >enough, I can regularly play a whole concert without ever touching the > >feedback control...) > > > >> I love repetition, personally. I have loved Terry Riley, Philip Glass, > >> Hamza El Din, Reggae, et. al. > > > >I like their stuff too. And I would point to works like "In C" or > >"Music For 18 Musicians" as good general examples of the sort of > >principle Matthias is talking about: the idea that you can evolve the > >loop by fading various elements in and out of the picture, and that over > >time, the entire textural content of a basic "loop" can completely > >change and evolve, in subtle and organic ways. > > > >> It's really o.k. if Kim or Mattias don't. But let's keep our > >> communications and our aesthetic biases clear. A personal aesthetic > >> predilection is exactly that: a personal predilection. It's ok to have > >> them without being judgemental about others. > > > >I don't believe either Kim or Matthias are opposed to repetitive music - > >if they were, they'd very likely find something to do with their lives > >other than design looping software! 8() > > > >And in the case of Kim and Matthias, it's important to remember that > >you're talking about two guys who have designed several versions of a > >software which is utterly without peer in its particular focus and > >design angle. There are things the EDP was doing in its software > >version 8 years ago that STILL haven't been duplicated or matched. I > >can only imagine how frustrating it must sometimes be to have spent so > >much time working on an instrument that's still so underrated and > misunderstood. > > > >So I'm all for discussing these expanded possibilities, because it > >increases the general understanding of the tools of the trade. And it > >also allows a fascinating insight into some of the creative corners of > >the design process in general. For instance, the EDP's > >painstakingly-programmed 127 discreet feedback values assume a > >tremendous amount of significance when you see and hear Matthias' > >seamless work. Some of the more "out there" Echoplex functions make > >more sense when you find out that Kim Flint is a big hip-hop, jungle, > >and heavy metal fan. > > > >I think it's fantastic that there are folks like yourself, Rick, who are > >making great music with very simple units like a DL4. But I also think > >it's important to make people in general aware of the possibilities that > >lie beyond simply recording, repeating, and overdubbing. A lot of these > >techniques are not very difficult to use, they already exist in many of > >the devices people presently own, and they can open tremendous doors > >into different technical and aesthetic avenues. > > > >It's one thing to choose to work within very tight technical > >constraints, the way you have. But it's another thing to be unwittingly > >constrained by one's own expectations of the parameters that are > >available, simply because they never explored the other options out > >there, you know? > > > >> Everyone is Creative. I think there is a disturbing trend in western > >> culture specifically to be perfectionistic and judgemental. > >> I think that we, as artists and loopers have a great opportunity to > >> reverse this trend (if only in a small,small way) and actively support > >> people's creativity. It's all good. > > > >I agree that it's important to encourage people to do their thing. But > >I also adamently feel that it's JUST as important to approach an art > >form from a respectfully critical point of view. > > > >In other words, don't just settle for what's commonly available. Don't > >just work within the parameters of what we commonly associate with these > >tools. Don't just accept that looping HAS to sound a certain way. > > > >Why shouldn't we challenge ourselves - and one another - in a healthy, > >respectful, encouraging way, to go beyond what we expect, and what we > >already know we can do? > > > >I haven't seen anything that Kim or Matthias have said that I would > >describe as disrespectful to other people's music. Can they be blunt? > >You bet. Direct? Absolutely. Fed up with the status quo? For sure. > >Challenging? I sure HOPE so. But I think that's how any art form grows > >and develops - by having a healthy dissatisfaction with the way things > >are already done. > > > >Maybe this is easy for me to say, Rick, since I've heard both of these > >gentlement express their very deep respect and appreciation for your > >music. So I know they're not knockin' ya... far from it, in fact. > > > >Well damn, I guess this is a brain spew and a half. Time to get back to > practicing! > > > >Hope y'all are well tonight. > > > >Woo hah, > > > >--Andre LaFosse > >The Echoplex Analysis Pages: > >http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 16:52:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09042; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:50:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:50:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <112.15c17d8b.2a8c1c8c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:50:20 EDT Subject: Re: The Legendary Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Delay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com someone said: >> I don't really know; I am just curious as to the specifics of why dt >does >> want to be "we" on this one. stephen goodman then replied: >I think what the EH16 did more than anything else was raise the level of >awareness for looping devices amongst those of us who were reading about >it at the time; i can see that perspective, though it doesn't apply to me. someone gave a complete unit to me, once, 'cuz he knew i was well into looping. i used it for 3 or 7 minutes: it was phenomenally noisy, then broke itself immediately: i gave it away --broken-- to someone else who really wanted it: it was never a partner in my looping zone. >more importantly, the EH16 cost a bit less than any other >delay >device of its kind at the time. As a result the rather massive competition >began to eventually produce units with more than 1200ms, for less than >$700, >which I recall was the price for the EH16. right. >I wonder though, how many of us on this list were slavering for an EH16 >when >they came out, and continued to want for it in the same manner one lusts >for >the Girl/Guy Not Dated/etc. in High School: from afar, with a good deal >of >romantic (and often non-realistic) notions about What Life Would Be Like >If We Had One. right. add'ly, one wonders a bit about the retro-lust aspect..... (read in hushed tone: 'if only i had that rare les paul/telecaster etc.....') whatever. surely, the thing had a certain charm, but you can buy a (much more useful & better-sounding) brandnew edp, right now, easy as eins-zwei-drei..... >I also wonder whether it could be said that units like the >EH16 >themselves spark ideas/techniques for looping that we take almost for >granted today. i'd guess that's possible..... i still use my pcm42, whose technique-features are present in the eh16..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 17:07:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10948; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:02:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:02:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <35.2b4f6995.2a8c1f26@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:01:26 EDT Subject: Re: The Legendary Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Delay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ms, >None really taken, I just get a bit cranky (before morning caffeine >especially) when everything is taken so seriously. eek. i can't speak before the first dbl of the day. > Would it really be >a >horrible thing to be known as "David Torn: The Man Who Thought The EH16 >Was UNIQUE"? no, but. i didn't thought you were merely saying it was unique, which it was not (but for the rev-switch). also, this is kinda a small community of friendly sorts, and i really don't like being misunderstood, where it can be avoided..... >Was the EH16 not a unique box? Many devices probably share >some of it's functions, but at what price? Did they have as nice an >interface? (and that is subjective) Funky foot controller? The PCM42 >was >for sure a more "hi-fi" box aimed at studio applications, where as the >EH16 seemed to be aimed at guitarists (Fripp in a box) as a stomp box. >All of these differences to all other devices make it... unique? Am I >wrong here? well, for the price-point-thang: yeah. >Now, of course there are a bunch of looping devices out there, some that >behaved in similar fashion to the EH16. Frankly, my Repeater with a >Lexicon MPX1 in it's effects loop will run rings around the EH16. IN MY >OPINION. But that's not what I was saying. I was saying that the EH16 >was not exactly like anything else. But when you say that you don't think >it's unique, you are telling me that you know of something that's exactly >like it. Well, that's nice. >Welcome to my United States of Whatever. want another espresso, on me? what you said was: >A little while ago we decided that nothing came >close to this little box. that doesn't say 'unique', to me; i understood you to mean something like 'beyond its competitors': i clearly misunderstood. >Basically, when I answered the two people that came on and said, "I'm new >to the list, does anyone know about the EH16?" I just wanted to try and >be >helpful to point out devices that do exist that can easily be obtained, >not to suggest that one my ever totally replace a dead product like the >EH16. If someone came on and said, "I'm new to looping and I want to buy >a Repeater, but can't find one..." I'd say, "Well, it's dead, but you >might want to check out the EDP." Not that the EDP is the same as the >Repeater, but that it will probably be of interest to someone that's >looking to get into looping. Anyway, I'm just trying to be a bit of a >loop evangelist, and maybe help point out gear possibilities to people >who >are looking for gear that is no longer made. It seems that when I do >this, someone has to come down on me for suggesting that something could >possibly take the place of their beloved . Well, >something WILL take the place of dead gear. It's inevitable. Evolution >doesn't mean things get better. It just means things change. okay. wasn't coming down on you. wasn't following complete thread, and misunderstood you. my mistake. offer of coffee still stands. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 17:12:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11775; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:12:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:12:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: Critique of Critique of Feedback at Max Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:10:17 -0500 Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CF15@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Critique of Critique of Feedback at Max Thread-Index: AcJDXLZRdgbkRm4qQsyNrJxSQKZSdwAeAUbg From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA11742 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com andre lf opined: >I personally didn't take Matthias' comment as an aesthetic judgement at all. To me, it's an expression of a technical concern, and a very important and valid one at that: what do you do with a loop once you've built up a texture, if you don't have feedback control? I would speculate that the comment about "the same mood" is not a reflection of Matthias' personal listening taste, but rather the loopists' challenge when working with a loop without feedback: how do you evolve the texture aside from either overdubbing more and more layers to it (thereby creating an ever-denser texture), and/or ending it abruptly (which are the two possibilities Matthias described in his original remark)?< ** hmmm. to me it comes down to: how do you use the looper? maybe that has more to do with the need to have feedback or not. fer instance: say i'm playing with three other people (who all have loopers as well - - hey, it happens), maybe i set up a little loop, fade it out, do a time modification and then bring it back periodically as formal device (sorta like a recurring chord/texture, but it's the loop). say i'm doing a duo gig with someone (or even a solo thing) and i set up three different loops on three separate loopers and then fade them in/out against each other or bring one (or more) back as part of an improvised song. say i use the dl4 function that can bring in only one cycle of loop, loop a small melody fragment, put it up and octave and have it go backswards, then pull my melody in at (hopefully) auspicious times. none of these really need to have a feedback control in the mix. >I think it's fantastic that there are folks like yourself, Rick, who are making great music with very simple units like a DL4. But I also think it's important to make people in general aware of the possibilities that lie beyond simply recording, repeating, and overdubbing. < ** i think the key here is great music. i would ask why is it "important"? if people are making good/great music with the tools at hand, why must they be taught something different? (i say this in all respect, just interested in the philosophy here.) >I agree that it's important to encourage people to do their thing. But I also adamently feel that it's JUST as important to approach an art form from a respectfully critical point of view. < ** ah, so it's looping as discrete art form, not as means to an end. at least that's how i read this? >In other words, don't just settle for what's commonly available. Don't just work within the parameters of what we commonly associate with these tools. Don't just accept that looping HAS to sound a certain way. < ** something tells me that most people on this list are not going to do that - - one way or another we all seem to be malcontents when it comes to that which is "standard" . . . Why shouldn't we challenge ourselves - and one another - in a healthy, respectful, encouraging way, to go beyond what we expect, and what we already know we can do? ** well, i guess that rick did in a way. he challenged the supposition that one *had* to have feedback ;-) stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 17:18:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12060; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:18:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:18:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: SPK To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS300, Three Button Footswitch Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:14:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C243D7.9377D950" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C243D7.9377D950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I believe the footswitch is the "Three Button Footswitch" as described in the "enhanced" jamman rom document for the "Special ROM V0.4 Users Guide" by Bob Sellon at http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/ (it is a Word document). ------_=_NextPart_001_01C243D7.9377D950 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FS300, Three Button Footswitch

I believe the footswitch is the "Three Button = Footswitch" as described in the "enhanced" jamman rom = document for the "Special ROM V0.4 Users Guide" by Bob Sellon = at http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/ (it is a = Word document).

------_=_NextPart_001_01C243D7.9377D950-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 17:25:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12506; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:25:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:25:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: The Legendary Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Delay Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:12:05 -0500 Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CF16@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: The Legendary Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Delay Thread-Index: AcJD0sgE3uvK1EmXRhKk61DSlThgcwABJgkw From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA12447 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I assume you have never seen/heard Nels Cline use his- it might influence your stance! ** or frisell when he used his. though, to be frank, i don't think either of these guys would identify themselves as "loopers" per se. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 17:30:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12837; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:29:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:29:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:29:12 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: FS300, Three Button Footswitch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <029201c243d9$a2a239a0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com that's it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "SPK" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 4:14 PM Subject: FS300, Three Button Footswitch > I believe the footswitch is the "Three Button Footswitch" as described in > the "enhanced" jamman rom document for the "Special ROM V0.4 Users Guide" by > Bob Sellon at http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/ (it is a Word > document). > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 17:34:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13157; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:32:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:32:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:32:00 -0800 Subject: Re: The Legendary Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Delay From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <112.15c17d8b.2a8c1c8c@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com as a present day owner/user of the "unique" , i pride myself in not having got into this here fray. and thats a good thing for all of us! s > someone said: > >>> I don't really know; I am just curious as to the specifics of why dt >> does >>> want to be "we" on this one. > > stephen goodman then replied: >> I think what the EH16 did more than anything else was raise the level of >> awareness for looping devices amongst those of us who were reading about >> it at the time; > i can see that perspective, though it doesn't apply to me. > someone gave a complete unit to me, once, 'cuz he knew i was well into > looping. > i used it for 3 or 7 minutes: > it was phenomenally noisy, then broke itself immediately: > i gave it away --broken-- to someone else who really wanted it: > it was never a partner in my looping zone. > >> more importantly, the EH16 cost a bit less than any other >> delay >> device of its kind at the time. As a result the rather massive competition >> began to eventually produce units with more than 1200ms, for less than >> $700, >> which I recall was the price for the EH16. > right. > >> I wonder though, how many of us on this list were slavering for an EH16 >> when >> they came out, and continued to want for it in the same manner one lusts >> for >> the Girl/Guy Not Dated/etc. in High School: from afar, with a good deal >> of >> romantic (and often non-realistic) notions about What Life Would Be Like >> If We Had One. > right. add'ly, one wonders a bit about the retro-lust aspect..... > (read in hushed tone: 'if only i had that rare les paul/telecaster etc.....') > whatever. > surely, the thing had a certain charm, but you can buy a (much more useful & > better-sounding) brandnew edp, right now, easy as eins-zwei-drei..... > >> I also wonder whether it could be said that units like the >> EH16 >> themselves spark ideas/techniques for looping that we take almost for >> granted today. > i'd guess that's possible..... i still use my pcm42, whose technique-features > are present in the eh16..... > > best, > dt / splattercell > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 17:43:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13846; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:43:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:43:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020814214245.3922.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:42:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: input/output within old oberheim vs. new To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00aa01c2438e$89e5c8f0$0bf8c440@g0wn7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jim, I have no idea why they would be different. I would open the Gibson unit and check those R10, R30 resistor values. Kim, Matthias, Others, Any clues regarding this gain mystery? bret --- Jimmy Fowler wrote: > i tested the unit and both resistors are the newer upgrade, measuring > 10k > and 22k. BUT the input/output of this oberheim compared to my gibson > is > still significantly different. the voltage regulator is new also. > any > ideas as to why they still behave differently? > > -jim > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 17:54:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14322; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:53:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:53:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020814215321.5980.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:53:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: The Legendary Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Delay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003001c243cb$293a3da0$0201a8c0@eluk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "Stephen P. Goodman" wrote: > I also wonder whether it could be said that units like > the EH16 > themselves spark ideas/techniques for looping that we take almost for > granted today. This rings true to me. bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 17:56:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14510; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:56:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:56:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020814143416.01fb6750@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: the truth is out there Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:40:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: RE: The Legendary Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Delay In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CF16@mitorexch01.marit z.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com how much looping does a looper need to loop to be considered a looper? and of even more importance: how much looping could a looper loop if a looper could loop loops? At 04:12 PM 2002/08/14 -0500, stig wrote: >I assume you have never seen/heard Nels Cline use his- it might influence >your stance! > >** or frisell when he used his. though, to be frank, i don't think either of these guys would identify themselves as "loopers" per se. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 17:56:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14186; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:51:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:51:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <20020814171328.25137.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> <3D5AA12D.A1F8DEB7@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Y-cords. Safe? (was Re: OT: Note for mono Electrix users) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:50:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2002 21:50:16.0723 (UTC) FILETIME=[938E2E30:01C243DC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, I've heard this too - there was a mention of it in the last issue of tapeop, so it >must< be true. What other solutions are there for summing signals? I need to do a lot of this in my rig... Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 11:27 AM Subject: Y-cords. Safe? (was Re: OT: Note for mono Electrix users) > Is the summing of two signals with a simple Y cable putting too small of a > load on the op amps of the sending device? I was always taught never to > do something like this. Can current componants handle the smaller > impedance? > > Mark Sottilaro > > Greg House wrote: > > > --- Clifford Novey wrote: > > > I was confused as to how to set my Filter Queen up for mono > > > operation- the manual was unclear etc. and Jamie of Electrix said the > > > use of a summing splitter was necessary. I was very surprised by > > > this- this post has more info: > > > http://www.electrixpro.com/UBB/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000084.html > > > > Cliff, > > > > Have you tried this yet? If so, was there much difference in sound? > > I've been using my Queen in a mono guitar amp efx loop, and thought it > > sounded a little thin, so I'm wondering if the Y-cord is an effective > > resolution to this. > > > > Greg > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > > http://www.hotjobs.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 17:58:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14759; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:58:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:58:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.104.22.70] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Oakland Looping Festival Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:57:15 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2002 21:57:15.0553 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D329110:01C243DD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Now that I have something resembling a free minute, I want to thank everyone who came to and/or played at the Oakland Mini Looping Festival last Sunday. I was pretty happy with how everything went, and plan on organizing more events like that in the future. Last night I performed at a show where I was followed by a fantastic free-jazz ensemble (the Illuminated Orchestra). Even though free-jazz isn't exactly my sack of cheese, I get all sorts of ideas for shows I'd like to do when I witness it. Last night I came up with the idea of a "Suitcase Ensemble". Each participant would bring what he/she could fit in a small (as in airline carry-on size) suitcase, but not pre-announce what they'd bring. That's it so far. No idea as to whether they'd play solo sets or together, or whether they'd switch suitcases before playing. Matt _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 18:07:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16536; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:07:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:07:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007801c243df$040687a0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020814143416.01fb6750@mail.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: The Legendary Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Delay Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:07:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How much loop could a loopist loop if a loopist could loop could loop could loop could loop... Sorry, couldn't resist. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Echevarria" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 22:40 PM Subject: RE: The Legendary Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Delay > how much looping does a looper need to loop to be considered a looper? > > and of even more importance: > how much looping could a looper loop if a looper could loop loops? > > > At 04:12 PM 2002/08/14 -0500, stig wrote: > >I assume you have never seen/heard Nels Cline use his- it might influence > >your stance! > > > >** or frisell when he used his. though, to be frank, i don't think either of these guys would identify themselves as "loopers" per se. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 18:09:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16744; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:09:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:09:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D5AD44C.A8E10470@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:06:05 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Critique of Critique of Feedback at Max References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CF15@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Afternoon, Stig! "Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: > ** hmmm. to me it comes down to: how do you use the looper? maybe that has more to do with the need to have feedback or not. Agree completely. The EDP recordings of mine I feel proudest of, both musically and technically, don't use feedback at all (except for one fade-out at the end of a 43-minute improv). > ** i think the key here is great music. i would ask why is it "important"? if people are making good/great music with the tools at hand, why must they be taught something different? (i say this in all respect, just interested in the philosophy here.) I gotcha. For me, it's analagous to this: if someone's already making good music with major and minor chords/scales, then why should they learn about seventh chords or modes? Or, if someone's digging 4/4, then why should they learn odd meter? If someone likes swing, why should they check out be-bop? In all cases (including the looping angle), the issue I'm concerned with is for a musician to have a good sense of the current (and potential) scope of the tools they're using. And to have a sense of what they can potentially explore, if they're so inclined, and how these different possibilities could potentially steer their music making in different directions. If someone really likes harmony, and is curious about moving beyond major and minor triads, then I'd recommend that they play around with some seventh chords, get a sense of how those types of chords are sometimes employed in a functional sense, and then let them decide whether or not this new technique is something they want to implement into their own music. Likewise, if somebody really likes rhythm, but is looking for different kinds of grooves and feels beyond 4/4, I'd suggest that they try playing in 7 or 5, get comfortable with the way those meters feel, and see if they're inspired to make those sorts of areas a regular part of their work. Nobody HAS to learn how to use feedback, but for people who are interested in finding different ways of dealing with looping, it's a very big and very powerful foundation of that particular technique. Particularly for those folks who are interested in smooth, rounded sounds, and the idea of gradually morphing a texture into something else within the same basic loop, it's a very powerful tool. And historically, it's something that's been used in delay lines and tape loops in various ways for at least 30-some years. If we were talking about pitch-shifting or time-stretching or SUS-Unrounded Multiply or some other relatively new and specialized looping technique, that'd be one thing. But feedback is sort of like the power chord of looping, so to speak - it's a very basic, but very powerful tool with a serious historical pedigree. > I agree that it's important to encourage people to do their thing. But > I also adamently feel that it's JUST as important to approach an art > form from a respectfully critical point of view. < > > ** ah, so it's looping as discrete art form, not as means to an end. at least that's how i read this? For me, it's looping as a real-time performative approach - something people can engage, sculpt, steer, shape, etc. I'm not speaking of it as an "art form" in the sense of a distinct style, but in the sense of a particular form of performative musical technique - a la the "art form" of playing the bass, or painting with watercolors, or what have you. It's sort of like how I'd recommend a guitarist to try a hollow-body "jazz box," as well as a telecaster, as well as a seven-string, Floyd Rose-equipped, two-humbucker Ibanex. All three of them are designed from different points of view. An aspiring jazz player probably won't need the Ibanez shred machine... but what if the "aspiring jazzer" really wants to do those humbucker-driven whammy-bar dive-bombs, and just hasn't been properly exposed to the right tools? > ** well, i guess that rick did in a way. he challenged the supposition that one *had* to have feedback ;-) Very true! :) C ya, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 18:10:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16860; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:10:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:10:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D5AD52F.A5536A0C@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:09:52 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Legendary Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Delay References: <35.2b4f6995.2a8c1f26@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah, part of the problem is me, as when I said, "nothing comes close" I did not mean it as a value judgement. I meant it in terms of a combonation of features/interface and price that set it apart from what was out there. (in it's time) When it was released, $700 might have been a million dollars to me, as I was broke. I think I played with it at Manny's in NYC for a little while. The PCM42 was even farther out of my radar due to it's pricetag. The closest I've come to one is living next to Gary Hall! Anyway, I didn't mean to missrepresent anyone. I was following the last EH16 thread, and what I gathered from your posts was that you believed that the PCM42 did most (or all?) of what the EH16 did, but a lot better quality at a much higher price. I'm glad to have that info, as I frankly had little knowlege of that the PCM42 was. With it's pricetag of $700 as compared to the multi thousand (how much were they?) PCM42, I'd still say that even though it's quality was much less, nothing came close in it's price range. So LET'S GET SOME COFFEE! Mark Sottilaro Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > wasn't coming down on you. > wasn't following complete thread, and misunderstood you. > my mistake. > offer of coffee still stands. > best, > dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 18:28:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18416; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:27:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:27:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020814152428.0383e008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:29:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: input/output within old oberheim vs. new In-Reply-To: <20020814214245.3922.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> References: <00aa01c2438e$89e5c8f0$0bf8c440@g0wn7> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <3CbohD.A.MeE.jktW9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com New units have a limiter on the loop input, old units do not. If you have the level turned up to where the new one is engaging the limiter, it would end up sounding lower in volume (and probably compressed) in relation to the other unit. The other unit is probably slightly clipping, however. (that is why the limiter is there.) Try turning input vol down on both. or, if you like playing with the ohm meter, check the volume potentiometers, maybe they are different for some reason. kim At 02:42 PM 8/14/2002, Bret wrote: >Jim, >I have no idea why they would be different. I would open the Gibson >unit and check those R10, R30 resistor values. > >Kim, Matthias, Others, >Any clues regarding this gain mystery? >bret > >--- Jimmy Fowler wrote: > > i tested the unit and both resistors are the newer upgrade, measuring 10k > > and 22k. BUT the input/output of this oberheim compared to my gibson is > > still significantly different. the voltage regulator is new also. any > > ideas as to why they still behave differently? > > > > -jim > > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 19:02:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21818; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:02:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:02:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c243b3$ec64c830$01f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <00aa01c2438e$89e5c8f0$0bf8c440@g0wn7> <5.1.1.6.2.20020814152428.0383e008@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: input/output within old oberheim vs. new Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:59:14 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "check the volume potentiometers" that was my next guess... -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 19:22:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22897; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:21:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:21:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: <36.2bff813f.2a8c3fbf@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:20:31 EDT Subject: Re: Sony VAIO and laptop workstations in general To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 8/11/02 7:42:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: > > I'm using WinXPpro. The big downside to this so far is the fact that > >WinXPpro doesn't seem to want to let you change IRQ assignments. > > they are abstracting as far from the hardware as possible, to make your > life easier. I think it usually does for most people, at the expense of > people trying to custom tune things. Yes they are. They are doing this I think also to make it much easier for their supposed tech support staff. If all computers are the same configuration, then the staff can be much less knowledgable (and the companies don't have to pay the extra money for better trained people). I felt like the majority of people that I talked to at Gateway had no more knowledge of computers than I do. > > >At least no > >help whatsoever from Gateway's supposed tech support. With some software, I > >am getting some glitches in the audio due to the fact that the graphics > card > >(along with everything else) is sharing IRQ 10 with the cardbus slots. > > that is among the many legacies of a 25 year old hardware platform. People > don't realize how much these legacy hardware problems of the pc motherboard > limit the performance of the whole platform. > > are you sure that sharing interrupts is even the problem? a lot of things > are designed to do that. Especially in newer systems using xp/2000. > At the moment I am pretty convinced that the occaisional glitches that I get in audio are mostly due to a conflict with the graphics card. NI's Kontakt has given the most problems. When I have Kontakt's rack view disabled, I don't have any glitches (except for the occaisional overload). I have also noticed some audio glitches in SoundForge6.0 that lead me to believe the problem lies with some kind of IRQ conflict between the Graphics card and the cardbus slot (Layla24). > > From > >what I have read so far, the changing of the IRQs occurs in the BIOS (WinXP) > . > > you probably need to turn off ACPI somehow, which would probably be a bad > idea in a laptop. You might even need to reinstall windows with some > different options, which I would be scared to do. ACPI? Sorry I haven't learned that one yet. I'll look it up. When I first got my laptop, I re-installed windows so I could get rid of a lot of the unnecessary stuff that Gateway put on there. I don't recall seeing any options that might have helped me with this particular problem. I was actually expecting to have an option to reconfigure some things (like IRQs). There appeared to be 3 open IRQs on my laptop before I re-installed windows. I was really hoping (fantasizing I guess) that I would have access to all of that when I started from scratch. > > > I'll be taking that adventure this week. I'm thinking that I might have > to > >purchase a new BIOS for my laptop. Anyone have any good suggestions on this? > > > I don't think you can purchase a new BIOS from a third party, can you? > Programming the BIOS is a very specialized and difficult thing, and > requires deep detailed knowledge of the hardware that only the manufacturer > knows, as well as deep knowledge of all the legacy pc crap. you might be > able to get an updated one from the mfr. > Well, I have found this site: http://www.mrbios.com/biosupgrades/upgradenow.cfm They do sell BIOS upgrades. They have a BIOS agent app that will report my BIOS info along with whatever upgrades that they might be able to sell me. I will try this later this evening. > > No matter what laptop you buy, call the manufacturer up and > >get them to tell which cardbus and Firewire cards they are using in their > >units. > > a nit, but they don't put cards in a laptop. It's a chip on the > motherboard. many different card and motherboard manufacturers may use the > same chip. > > kim Thanks for clarifying that for me. I was thinking more along the lines that the various ports were actually plug-in cards. Marc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 19:24:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23159; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:24:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:24:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [200.40.165.23] From: "juan darkness" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Delay Clone Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:23:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2002 23:23:21.0605 (UTC) FILETIME=[94678B50:01C243E9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi, just to contribute to the discussion,i must say that this pedal was a big inspiration for me,even when i never had one in my hands...reading about it led me to design and build two work alike devices,the first one 24 seconds,8 bit,and the second 1 minute,12 bit,both with midi clock out,(based on Bob Sellon's pcm42 mod),reverse,infinite and clock divide by two...now i'm trying to do what Mathias Grob did,a looper with tap tempo,multiply and undo,based on counters and registers,because i don`t work with programing. if someone wants to know something more about my pedals ,just ask here in the list,and thanks Mathias!!!! _________________________________________________________________ Charle con sus amigos online usando MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 19:31:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23854; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:31:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:31:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.79.97.43] From: "terry o'brien" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gig spam - Vancouver, BC Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:29:59 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2002 23:30:00.0023 (UTC) FILETIME=[81E14E70:01C243EA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi fellow loopers, For those in the Vancouver BC area, I'll be performing tomorrow night...here's the poop Thursday, August 15th, A/V Lodge, 9:30, Sugar Refinery -1115 Granville St., Vancouver, BC Anomalous Disturbances will be performing an early set of ambient soundscapes at Vancouver's bi-weekly electronic music night, the A/V Lodge.  Showtime is 9:30-ish.  Also on the bill are your A/V Lodge hosts, Soolah & Jamie Tolagson, spinning choice tunes... with visuals by Ryan Mitchell-Morrison. Cover charge $5.00 Cheers, Terry www.anomalousdisturbances.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 19:34:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24052; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:33:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:33:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: Critique of Critique of Feedback at Max Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:31:43 -0500 Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CF1D@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Critique of Critique of Feedback at Max Thread-Index: AcJD4y2mZsSPMu4iSvG/ezFixsUjEwABTYvw From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA24022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Afternoon, Stig! ** yo (as they say in hollywood) Agree completely. The EDP recordings of mine I feel proudest of, both musically and technically, don't use feedback at all (except for one fade-out at the end of a 43-minute improv). ** damn ;-) >I gotcha. For me, it's analagous to this: if someone's already making good music with major and minor chords/scales, then why should they learn about seventh chords or modes? Or, if someone's digging 4/4, then why should they learn odd meter? If someone likes swing, why should they check out be-bop? In all cases (including the looping angle), the issue I'm concerned with is for a musician to have a good sense of the current (and potential) scope of the tools they're using. And to have a sense of what they can potentially explore, if they're so inclined, and how these different possibilities could potentially steer their music making in different directions.< ** well maybe . . . i mean, some people just have voices and don't need any of this stuff. i guess i'm thinking of someone like john lee hooker. i don't know if he knew a major chord from a minor, or 3/4 from 4/4 . . . and i don't think it matters. in general, though, i agree with the sentiment . . . with the caveat that sometimes the impulse to "educate" strikes me as a manifest destiny sort of thing. (and, being a "true believer," i do *more* than my share of evangelical work, if you get my drift.) >If someone really likes harmony, and is curious about moving beyond major and minor triads, then I'd recommend that they play around with some seventh chords, get a sense of how those types of chords are sometimes employed in a functional sense, and then let them decide whether or not this new technique is something they want to implement into their own music. Likewise, if somebody really likes rhythm, but is looking for different kinds of grooves and feels beyond 4/4, I'd suggest that they try playing in 7 or 5, get comfortable with the way those meters feel, and see if they're inspired to make those sorts of areas a regular part of their work.< ** that (BIG) "if" is what leads you on your own path. for me those things may matter, for others they may not . . . i think what rick was saying (and i really shouldn't put words in his mouth - - rick?) was that, using your analogy, "feedback" was being taught to us, but may it not have been necessary to do so. >Particularly for those folks who are interested in smooth, rounded sounds, and the idea of gradually morphing a texture into something else within the same basic loop, it's a very powerful tool. < ** probably so. i can kinda do the morphing thing between two loopers . . . >For me, it's looping as a real-time performative approach - something people can engage, sculpt, steer, shape, etc. I'm not speaking of it as an "art form" in the sense of a distinct style, but in the sense of a particular form of performative musical technique - a la the "art form" of playing the bass, or painting with watercolors, or what have you.< ** okay, "art form" seems less generic tha all that to me, but i get your drift here. the semantics of it threw me off. >It's sort of like how I'd recommend a guitarist to try a hollow-body "jazz box," as well as a telecaster, as well as a seven-string, Floyd Rose-equipped, two-humbucker Ibanex. All three of them are designed from different points of view. An aspiring jazz player probably won't need the Ibanez shred machine... but what if the "aspiring jazzer" really wants to do those humbucker-driven whammy-bar dive-bombs, and just hasn't been properly exposed to the right tools?< ** 7-string george van eps with a whammy bar . . . stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 19:44:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24664; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:43:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:43:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005001c243ec$5b06a460$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <36.2bff813f.2a8c3fbf@aol.com> Subject: OT:Re: Sony VAIO and laptop workstations in general Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:43:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <-rjcq.A.LBG.msuW9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Under Windows 2000 you select ACPI in the device manager- update drivers- choose from list- pick Standard PC- then the computer stops using ACPI, re-detects ALL of your hardware and spreads the IRQs out quite nicely. WinXP may also work this way- Steinberg and RME both have pages on the topic. Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 20:54:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29396; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:52:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:52:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D5AFB3B.E9F10505@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:52:11 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: input/output within old oberheim vs. new References: <00aa01c2438e$89e5c8f0$0bf8c440@g0wn7> <5.1.1.6.2.20020814152428.0383e008@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On the subject of limiters and clipping, not only will the unlimited signal be louder, but if it's clipping, it will have an increase of harmonic content that will make it seem even louder (we're more sensitive to upper midrange and high frequencies) than it is. This might be contributing to your problem. Mark Kim Flint wrote: > New units have a limiter on the loop input, old units do not. If you have > the level turned up to where the new one is engaging the limiter, it would > end up sounding lower in volume (and probably compressed) in relation to > the other unit. The other unit is probably slightly clipping, however. > (that is why the limiter is there.) Try turning input vol down on both. > > or, if you like playing with the ohm meter, check the volume > potentiometers, maybe they are different for some reason. > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 21:21:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00514; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:20:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:20:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020814181523.037cfea8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:22:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: OT:Re: Sony VAIO and laptop workstations in general In-Reply-To: <005001c243ec$5b06a460$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> References: <36.2bff813f.2a8c3fbf@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com be careful though. I think I read that once you do that you can't go back without reinstalling windows. ACPI manages a lot of stuff that laptops care about, like sleep modes, waking, battery monitoring and charging, disk spin down, CPU speed step, screen brightness, temperature/fans, etc. When ACPI was new people had that stuff in both modes in the BIOS, although much more is possible with ACPI. Now that ACPI has been the required default for a few years, the "old" code in the BIOS may have fallen into neglect, and your laptop might not work very much like a laptop anymore if you turn ACPI off. You might not care if you just plug it in all the time and use it like a desktop. kim At 04:43 PM 8/14/2002, Clifford Novey wrote: >Under Windows 2000 you select ACPI in the device manager- update drivers- >choose from list- pick Standard PC- then the computer stops using ACPI, >re-detects ALL of your hardware and spreads the IRQs out quite nicely. WinXP >may also work this way- Steinberg and RME both have pages on the topic. > >Cliff ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 21:25:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00821; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:25:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:25:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhREXhnMXn7xdgAMKj5/BncZ2liPQAIUfmCskyBifZ+/b99jDXhxwWGYgTU= From: jguitar11@webtv.net (guitar66.) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:24:43 -0600 (MDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: one guitar played therw four guitar amps. Message-ID: <5173-3D5B02DB-1220@storefull-2394.public.lawson.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi. could you inform me of a way to run one guitar with four full stacks at the same time? is there a simple box that has one input and four outputs with it? thanks for any help. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 21:28:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01024; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:27:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:27:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c243fa$cc68cb20$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <36.2bff813f.2a8c3fbf@aol.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020814181523.037cfea8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: OT:Re: Sony VAIO and laptop workstations in general Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:26:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very true- I missed the part about laptops- I don't think I'd do it there- I'm a very smart fellow- I just read the topic of the thread. Anyone need a good deal on brain surgery? I'm your man. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 6:22 PM Subject: Re: OT:Re: Sony VAIO and laptop workstations in general > be careful though. I think I read that once you do that you can't go back > without reinstalling windows. ACPI manages a lot of stuff that laptops care > about, like sleep modes, waking, battery monitoring and charging, disk spin > down, CPU speed step, screen brightness, temperature/fans, etc. When ACPI > was new people had that stuff in both modes in the BIOS, although much more > is possible with ACPI. Now that ACPI has been the required default for a > few years, the "old" code in the BIOS may have fallen into neglect, and > your laptop might not work very much like a laptop anymore if you turn ACPI > off. You might not care if you just plug it in all the time and use it like > a desktop. > kim > > At 04:43 PM 8/14/2002, Clifford Novey wrote: > >Under Windows 2000 you select ACPI in the device manager- update drivers- > >choose from list- pick Standard PC- then the computer stops using ACPI, > >re-detects ALL of your hardware and spreads the IRQs out quite nicely. WinXP > >may also work this way- Steinberg and RME both have pages on the topic. > > > >Cliff > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 21:57:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02868; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:55:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:55:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a601c243ff$b260b940$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <200208131741.NAA14348@hemlock.violacea.com><00f501c24327$9e0af920$e663f93f@global> <3.0.3.32.20020814140050.0089b100@mail.airmail.net> <1029357683.32640.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Re: Critique of Critique of Feedback at Max Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:01:40 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Is there an estimate of decay time based on position of feedback dial? > For instance, how long will it take for a layer to decay completely if > the feedback dial is positioned at 3 O'clock? 12 O'clock? 9 O'Clock? > > Regards, > Jeff I imagine that it would depend on how long the loop is. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 22:24:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05724; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:24:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:24:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006801c243d0$12f4b200$01f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <5173-3D5B02DB-1220@storefull-2394.public.lawson.webtv.net> Subject: Re: one guitar played therw four guitar amps. Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:20:45 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com maybe a line out of each amp...i've never seen an a/b box with 4 outputs, which i guess would be an a/b/c/d box. lehle and framptone both make top o' the line a/b boxes, fwiw. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 22:27:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05930; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:26:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:26:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: <1bc.ade7164.2a8c6b3e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:26:06 EDT Subject: Re: one guitar played therw four guitar amps. 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 --part1_1bc.ade7164.2a8c6b3e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 22:30:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06197; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:29:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:29:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c24404$67f591a0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <5173-3D5B02DB-1220@storefull-2394.public.lawson.webtv.net> Subject: one guitar played therw four guitar amps. Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:35:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I suggest perhaps one vital component to enhance longevity of this set-up may need to be some ear-plugs. Just kidding. OMG! I'd LOVE to hear some of the shit I do through FOUR stacks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "guitar66." To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 9:24 PM Subject: one guitar played therw four guitar amps. > hi. could you inform me of a way to run one guitar with four full stacks > at the same time? is there a simple box that has one input and four > outputs with it? thanks for any help. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 22:41:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07385; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:41:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:41:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: burnett@pobox.com X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:45:20 -0400 (EDT) X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: one guitar played therw four guitar amps. In-Reply-To: <5173-3D5B02DB-1220@storefull-2394.public.lawson.webtv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, guitar66. wrote: > hi. could you inform me of a way to run one guitar with four full stacks > at the same time? is there a simple box that has one input and four > outputs with it? thanks for any help. An Akai Headrush has four outputs that are live in "tape echo" mode. If you set it to minimum time, minimum head gap, and equal ratio, you should get, if not a simultaneous, then a really short delay between the four signals. I don't have enough equal-level speakers to set this up right now. I'd be interested in someone who's used four speakers with a Headrush telling me how it sounds, or I'll get the additional cables and set it up tomorrow or so myself and report back if people like. best, Steve Burnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 14 23:14:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10665; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:14:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:14:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <128.15faa7e7.2a8c7655@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:13:25 EDT Subject: Re: Critique of Critique of Feedback at Max To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: <9q4ioD.A.JmC.mxxW9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com when i think about all that I DO NOT KNOW about music both harmonically and rhythmically i could just cry and give up my "passion" but then i hit an A -minor chord in 4/4 and just smile.....some day ill play that b# flat 13 sus -7 chord in 6/7 time but thats for next week.....i also have a shirt that sez "FEEDBACK 100%" was this another lie?.....damn, why does everyone look like BUSH to me as of late?.....:).....michael p.s. i seldom if ever use 100% feedback, maddness lies in that direction...... BEWARE! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 15 00:44:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16231; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:44:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:44:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.6; T1.001; A1.47; B2.12; Q2.03) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 04:43:35 UT From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Epoch: 1029386619 X-Sasl-enc: kOtsn23g6E2YfnC+qDrtOQ Subject: Re: The Legendary Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Delay Message-Id: <20020815044335.D59A72FD3E@server3.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:12:07 -0700, "Marklar" said: > OK, what I should have said, was that some of us decided that the EH16 > was a > unique box, but David Torn and Weg don't think this at all. or maybe that "some of us decided that the Marklar was a unique Marklar, but Marklar and Marklar don't think this at all." :P Marklar -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm - In the time it takes you to read this, you could be FastMailing From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 15 00:50:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16610; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:49:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:49:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.6; T1.001; A1.47; B2.12; Q2.03) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 04:48:20 UT From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Epoch: 1029386947 X-Sasl-enc: cQP0leDVI/CoUh+PnomM/w Subject: Re: one guitar played therw four guitar amps. Message-Id: <20020815044820.5202C2FD3E@server3.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know there are a couple of boxes made specifically for driving multiple amps and keep the level of the guitar the same. There was one that came out recently that allowed you to choose different combinations of the amps being used, but I don't remember the name. A lot of big-name guitarists use multiple amps, so you might want to check Vai's rig, or some guy like that. I know they have similar devices in their setup. Ernesto On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:24:43 -0600 (MDT), "guitar66." said: > hi. could you inform me of a way to run one guitar with four full > stacks > at the same time? is there a simple box that has one input and four > outputs with it? thanks for any help. > > -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm - Ever wonder why we aren't named snailmail.sm? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 15 01:18:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18884; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 01:12:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 01:12:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020814231317.00828a70@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:13:17 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: one guitar played therw four guitar amps. In-Reply-To: <20020815044820.5202C2FD3E@server3.fastmail.fm> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Brian May uses or used, three banks of four Vox AC-30s each, which he'd switch between, so there may be some info regarding this in regard to his set-up. -Best of luck... Smiles, CQ At 04:48 AM 8/15/02 UT, you wrote: >I know there are a couple of boxes made specifically for driving >multiple amps and keep the level of the guitar the same. There was one >that came out recently that allowed you to choose different >combinations of the amps being used, but I don't remember the name. A >lot of big-name guitarists use multiple amps, so you might want to >check Vai's rig, or some guy like that. I know they have similar >devices in their setup. > >Ernesto > >On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:24:43 -0600 (MDT), "guitar66." > said: >> hi. could you inform me of a way to run one guitar with four full >> stacks >> at the same time? is there a simple box that has one input and four >> outputs with it? thanks for any help. >> >> > >-- >ernesto schnack >http://schnack.does.it > >-- >http://fastmail.fm > - Ever wonder why we aren't named snailmail.sm? > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 15 01:41:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20025; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 01:40:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 01:40:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.221.190.31] From: "ted matsumura" To: Subject: Re: one guitar played therw four guitar amps. 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------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C243E3.8EB99780-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 15 02:39:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23463; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:39:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:39:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.204.72.204] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: one guitar played therw four guitar amps. Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:38:03 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2002 06:38:03.0476 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E693940:01C24426] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Howdy, You might try contacting Bob Bradshaw at CAE(Custom Audio Electronics) in L.A.(they have a website) They make all sorts of custom switching stuff for the guitarist who has everything but wants more! :^) Good Luck. Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 15 05:41:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA01337; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:41:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:41:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: one guitar played therw four guitar amps. Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:42:29 +0200 Message-ID: <000601c24440$132dce80$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <5173-3D5B02DB-1220@storefull-2394.public.lawson.webtv.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, what you need is a splitter. There are simple ones (which consist of one input which feeds four OpAmps which feed one output each) like the Nobels Split4 (1 in/4 out) at ?55. Typical Nobels design, and I'd suspect just as crappy (for some simple signal routing application I tried a Nobels SPX31 loop-mixer a music store lent me, and which sounded and operated horribly, before deciding that I would really need a 1202 VLZ pro). There is the Behringer MX882 Ultralink Pro [?129] which can be used as either a 8in/2 out or a 2in/6 out splitter mixer. 1HU rackmount, I'd suspect typical Behringer quality (which means the best performance for your money, although some people here will tell you not to use those for ethical reasons - but their MX2642A console is such an integral part of my loop setup I simply "couldn't live without it"). Then there are similair devices with about the same features for a considerably higher price (by DOD or BBE) like the DOD SR606, and of course the devices which also do what you want - like the Brunetti Matrix or the Switchblade. But if you'd really need those, you'd already know about them, so I will spare you the details... Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > -----Original Message----- > From: guitar66. [mailto:jguitar11@webtv.net] > Sent: Donnerstag, 15. August 2002 03:25 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: one guitar played therw four guitar amps. > > > hi. could you inform me of a way to run one guitar with four > full stacks > at the same time? is there a simple box that has one input and four > outputs with it? thanks for any help. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 15 08:24:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11265; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:24:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:24:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D5B9C7F.7080300@wanadoo.fr> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:20:15 +0200 From: "o.malhomme" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; fr-FR; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: fr-fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: a new looper's tool ? References: <200208150941.FAA01385@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3A4nfD.A.hvC.X15W9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "if someone wants to know something more about my pedals ,just ask here in the list,and thanks Mathias!!!!" Ok you win the "now I'm droolin' award" You tell us more ??? Olivier From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 15 09:38:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16132; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:37:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:37:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <93.21b56d48.2a8d086a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:36:42 EDT Subject: Re: one guitar played therw four guitar amps. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jimfowler@prodigy.net writes: >maybe a line out of each amp...i've never seen an a/b box with 4 outputs, >which i guess would be an a/b/c/d box. rane sm26b splitter/mixer, etc dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 15 09:40:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16460; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:40:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:40:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020815134017.79438.qmail@web9507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:40:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Rockin Johnny Sea Subject: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000d01c2432e$5874c740$0301000a@yourw92p4bhlzg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1139256097-1029418817=:77894" Resent-Message-ID: <1qU5eC.A.BBE.C96W9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1139256097-1029418817=:77894 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii unsubscribe --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? 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HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs --0-1139256097-1029418817=:77894-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 15 10:56:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00492; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:51:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:51:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:50:05 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: one guitar played therw four guitar amps. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <038e01c2446b$0adab510$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this is what hendrix did... but maybe you are wanting to select different amps. whirlwind makes a 4 banger called multiselector http://www.whirlwindusa.com/selec.html i built my own that has relays for switching cause i'm one of those people kim hates that doesn't want an extra op amp in there... ----- Original Message ----- From: "ted matsumura" To: Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 12:40 AM Subject: Re: one guitar played therw four guitar amps. If you have amps with multiple inputs per channel, you may be able to jumper an unused input from amp 1 to an input into amp 2, and so on with a patch cord. This works well with my 4 input fender tweed deluxe amps and marshall plexi heads, but you should check with your amp tech to ensure it's a safe thing to do with our particular gear.Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 15 11:01:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02424; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:00:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:00:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:59:58 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Critique of Critique of Feedback at Max To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <03a001c2446c$6c9a3f40$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <128.15faa7e7.2a8c7655@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow, when you play in 6/7 time, make sure you upload an mp3 so we can hear it. i think that might make the universe implode, though. be careful. meanwhile i'll try to divide by zero in my special booth. actually, i wrote a piece in college that had a few measures of 18/16. i got some grief from the guys who had to play it... >.....some day ill play that b# flat 13 sus > -7 chord in 6/7 time but thats for next week..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 15 11:01:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02595; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:01:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:01:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:01:09 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: The Legendary Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Delay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <03a601c2446c$96f0b7b0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020815044335.D59A72FD3E@server3.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it's all marklar these marklar... > > or maybe that "some of us decided that the Marklar was a unique > Marklar, but Marklar and Marklar don't think this at all." > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 15 11:49:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05351; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:48:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:48:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:56:35 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Critique of Critique of Feedback at Max To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008701c24474$552b6e80$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <128.15faa7e7.2a8c7655@aol.com> <03a001c2446c$6c9a3f40$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim palmer" > wow, > when you play in 6/7 time, make sure you upload an mp3 so we can hear it. > i think that might make the universe implode, though. be careful. > meanwhile i'll try to divide by zero in my special booth. > > actually, i wrote a piece in college that had a few measures of 18/16. > i got some grief from the guys who had to play it... 18/16 = 9/8 ---> pretty common multiple of 3. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 15 12:13:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08108; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:12:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:12:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:11:55 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Critique of Critique of Feedback at Max To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <03d001c24476$796ea800$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <128.15faa7e7.2a8c7655@aol.com> <03a001c2446c$6c9a3f40$080210ac@jpalmer> <008701c24474$552b6e80$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com are you challenging me? you know, i never noticed i could divide by 2. i was too busy trying to divide by zero. i will explain why i didn't use 9/8 if enough people are interested... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jim palmer" > > > wow, > > when you play in 6/7 time, make sure you upload an mp3 so we can hear it. > > i think that might make the universe implode, though. be careful. > > meanwhile i'll try to divide by zero in my special booth. > > > > actually, i wrote a piece in college that had a few measures of 18/16. > > i got some grief from the guys who had to play it... > > 18/16 = 9/8 ---> pretty common multiple of 3. > > > * David Beardsley > * http://biink.com > * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 15 12:24:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08598; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:23:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:23:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: one guitar played therw four guitar amps. Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:21:51 -0500 Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CF25@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: one guitar played therw four guitar amps. Thread-Index: AcJERiz4o5vgaeX7RvmV5VNSZfT+CAAMTphAAAAvPqA= From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "Looper's Delight (E-mail)" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA08564 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i just want to know, how far did this guitar player throw those four amps? stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 15 14:37:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17909; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:34:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:34:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020815183406.51509.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:34:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Four amps at once To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200208150941.FAA01384@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com < Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22523; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:16:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:16:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.129.91.149] From: "terry o'brien" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Four amps at once Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:16:06 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2002 19:16:07.0039 (UTC) FILETIME=[34BA28F0:01C24490] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FYI,...you may want to check this site out. Here's the link for Brian May's set-up (well sorta - only has one set of three amps). There could be more info in there if you root around. ....T http://www.guitargeek.com/layouts/display.php3?id=409 >From: Chris Richards >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Four amps at once >Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:34:06 -0700 (PDT) > >< > AC-30s each, which he'd switch between, so >there may be some info regarding this in regard >to his >set-up. -Best of luck... > >I think each bank of AC-30's had 3, not 4 amps in >it, but I'm not sure, I'd have to check one of my >old Queen videos. > >What he'd do is feed his guitar into a delay unit >(originally a customized Echoplex, but I believe >he later upgraded to a digital delay) set for a >second or so of delay, with the feedback set for >one repeat. He'd feed the dry output into one >bank of amps, while the wet output was fed into a >second delay unit, set up the same way as the >first. From the second delay, he'd feed the dry >signal (which was in fact the wet signal from the >first delay), into a second array of amps, while >the wet signal went into the third bank of amps. > >What this allowed him to do was to play >something, and have it repeat back twice, >allowing him to do live harmony riffs and counter >melodies onstage, without overdubbing. Dunno if >this would be considered looping or not, but an >excellent idea of what he did can be heard on the >Live Killers version of Brighton Rock (he did it >on the studio version on Sheer Heart Attack, as >well, but that solo is very short). > >The advantage of using three amps (or three banks >of amps) was that it prevented things from >getting muddy sounding. Each part was very >distinct and clearly heard because no new parts >were coming out of the same amp. And of course, >one could pan the individual amps so that, say >the original came out of the center of the mix, >first repeat hard left, second repeat hard right. > > >Now, how he was able to run multiple amps in each >bank, I don't know. Eventually, he started using >a pedal board that was built by Pete Cornish, so >I imagine that from that point on, he could have >(and probably did) use a splitter that Pete built >(if memory serves, Pete sells these, along with >other things, on his website). I suppose if you >had the cash, you could at least have Pete build >you what you want, you'd get the best quality, >best sound, etc, and it'd be indestructible on >top of that. > >I recall that Whirlwind used to make a four way >splitter, it was a rack unit. They had an >optional footswitch unit tha went with it. You >could also use it the other way around, to sum >four seperate inputs (you could, say, plug four >guitars in). Dunno if they still make it though. > >And of course, you could simply buy three A/B/Y >boxes, plug your signal before the amp into box, >then run each of the outputs into one of the >remaining boxes, and leave all three set on Y, >and PRESTO! Four outputs! > >===== >May you never thirst! >The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris > >"What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl >Jones > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs >http://www.hotjobs.com > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 15 15:45:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23909; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:44:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:44:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:44:03 +0200 Subject: [OT] Album Spam : Live @ Paris Plage Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <029201c243d9$a2a239a0$080210ac@jpalmer> Message-Id: <5A3B704C-B087-11D6-814C-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I've been playing on the street for the past week or so at Paris Plage - an artificial beach built along the banks of the Seine. I've been installing myself underneath a large bridge with a 180 degree pure arch. The acoustics are phenominal. There is enough space for up to 300 people for the audience with many more people just passing by. Just myself, a 5 string violin, a battery amp and one DL4 pedal. My music has changed. Gone is the melancholic sadness, and introduced is a manic ethnic-gypsy-celtic paganini-ness with a full african drum section courtesy of hitting the living soul out of the instrument. I think I'm playing at about 120-160BPM.... a big change for me. Anyway, I've been recording the past couple of days using two minidiscs... one to record the direct sound (as I have recorded up until now), the other with a Sony Minidisc mic that I picked up for 150 dollars to record the sounds of the street. I'm going to be mixing the chosen tracks after the weekend, and will upload as mp3's to the site. I'll give LD a userid/password for the new area as soon as they are online. ....Finally I've been able to find a space where I can actually play :) ....Shame it ends on Sunday. :( -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 15 20:07:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10374; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:06:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:06:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:06:24 EDT Subject: Re: one guitar played therw four guitar amps. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ea.2c3fcd77.2a8d9c00_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_ea.2c3fcd77.2a8d9c00_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/15/2002 10:23:44 AM Mountain Standard Time, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes: > i just want to know, how far did this guitar player throw those four amps? > > stig > I like that one Stig....that was pretty funny! WWJ --part1_ea.2c3fcd77.2a8d9c00_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/15/2002 10:23:44 AM Mountain Standard Time, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes:


i just want to know, how far did this guitar player throw those four amps?

stig


I like that one Stig....that was pretty funny!

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 --part1_ea.2c3fcd77.2a8d9c00_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 15 21:31:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15094; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:31:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:31:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [200.40.187.238] From: "juan darkness" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: a new looper's tool ? Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 01:29:54 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2002 01:29:54.0417 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C7C7610:01C244C4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well,believe it or not,the basic design comes from an electronic echo delay i found in http://www.electronic-projects.net/projects/digital_echo/index.shtml ,i expanded the memory to 2 megs,added reverse,based in bob sellon's pcm42 mod,added a fast/slow switch,an infinite repeat switch,a compander for better signal to noise,and midi clock out... >From: "o.malhomme" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: a new looper's tool ? >Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:20:15 +0200 > >"if someone wants to know something more about my pedals ,just ask here in >the list,and thanks Mathias!!!!" > >Ok you win the "now I'm droolin' award" > >You tell us more ??? > >Olivier _________________________________________________________________ MSN Fotos: la forma más fácil de compartir e imprimir fotos. http://photos.msn.es/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 15 21:41:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15674; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:39:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:39:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [200.40.187.238] From: "juan darkness" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: question for Mathias Grob,regarding pcm42 mod Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 01:39:06 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2002 01:39:06.0990 (UTC) FILETIME=[B5D868E0:01C244C5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi,i hope you remember me,i'm maneco from uruguay, i have two questions regarding your primitive loop delay,based in pcm42 and counters,registers... i've read the program code in your site..did you do all of that just with logic? in that case,do you used presetable counters or adders for calculating the read and write address... are the math operations needed for calculating tempo bars possible with these aproach? Thank you very much Um abraÇo maneco _________________________________________________________________ Charle con sus amigos online usando MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 15 23:25:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22082; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:24:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:24:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D5C7028.36F54667@tapehissrecordings.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:23:20 -0400 From: Scott Carr Organization: Tapehiss Recordings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: [Fwd: [tapegerm] Free Loop Pack #5] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Of possible interest: -------- Original Message -------- The latest installment of FREE loops is now available from the Tapegerm Collective. Free Loop Pack #5 includes: Drums, Synths, and Noises by James Reyna/melodywhore Synths, Noises, Rhythms, and Horns by Squalid Solids Drums, Synths, Bass, and Noises by Andy Augspurger/NasCent You can download ZIP files from each artist, or download each loop individually. Remember: upload your mix to Tapegerm and you'll be on the next Loop Pack compilation CD, as well as featured on our website. This is a great way to not only collaborate with one of the Internet's premier music collectives, but you'll also get some added recognition when you post your mixes. It's all here: http://www.tapegerm.com/freeloops/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 15 23:59:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24999; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:59:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:59:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <03cb01c244da$110e3be0$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <130.12c299da.2a8ad255@aol.com> Subject: New York Looping Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 00:04:49 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know some musical people headed for New York. Is the Saturday looping series still happening at Kama (sorry can't remember the name or details)??? Any other cool events there this weekend that I can pass on? Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 16 04:23:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10161; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 04:23:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 04:23:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 03:22:42 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: one guitar played therw four guitar amps. From: Dion Stewart To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <55D6A82C-B0F1-11D6-9D81-000A27B507F2@visi.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another option to explore for splitting a guitar signal to send to multiple amps would be a Switchblade. http://www.soundsculpture.com/ The Switchblade products might also be useful for loopers who want to do things like: easily switch between having an effect before a looping device for one piece and having the looping device before the effect for another piece. or... sending a split signal to two different preamps/effects running in parallel, but only send one of the signals to a looping device. A list of some of the applications can be found on the Sound Sculpture site. http://www.soundsculpture.com/sculpt7.htm A Switchblade 8 will set you back more than an EDP, but depending on your needs or the ideas you want to explore it could be well worth the money. Dion From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 16 13:25:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24260; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:24:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:24:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020816112443.00833860@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:24:43 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Four amps at once In-Reply-To: <20020815183406.51509.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200208150941.FAA01384@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chris, thanks for the in-depth post. According to what I'd heard, the reason he supposedly used the three banks of four was so he could apply separate effects as you mentioned to each amp, in a single bank, and then switch to a second or third bank if he needed to, as he'd apparently felt that the AC-30s weren't very reliable. -so the set-up was a redundant back-up just in case. who knows though, I'm sure there's so much mis-info going around about famous players it's not even funny! lol! I think people should just get a sound they like, and become famous themselves!... lol! -Have a great day!... Smiles, CQ At 11:34 AM 8/15/02 -0700, you wrote: >< > AC-30s each, which he'd switch between, so >there may be some info regarding this in regard >to his >set-up. -Best of luck... > >I think each bank of AC-30's had 3, not 4 amps in >it, but I'm not sure, I'd have to check one of my >old Queen videos. > >What he'd do is feed his guitar into a delay unit >(originally a customized Echoplex, but I believe >he later upgraded to a digital delay) set for a >second or so of delay, with the feedback set for >one repeat. He'd feed the dry output into one >bank of amps, while the wet output was fed into a >second delay unit, set up the same way as the >first. From the second delay, he'd feed the dry >signal (which was in fact the wet signal from the >first delay), into a second array of amps, while >the wet signal went into the third bank of amps. > >What this allowed him to do was to play >something, and have it repeat back twice, >allowing him to do live harmony riffs and counter >melodies onstage, without overdubbing. Dunno if >this would be considered looping or not, but an >excellent idea of what he did can be heard on the >Live Killers version of Brighton Rock (he did it >on the studio version on Sheer Heart Attack, as >well, but that solo is very short). > >The advantage of using three amps (or three banks >of amps) was that it prevented things from >getting muddy sounding. Each part was very >distinct and clearly heard because no new parts >were coming out of the same amp. And of course, >one could pan the individual amps so that, say >the original came out of the center of the mix, >first repeat hard left, second repeat hard right. > > >Now, how he was able to run multiple amps in each >bank, I don't know. Eventually, he started using >a pedal board that was built by Pete Cornish, so >I imagine that from that point on, he could have >(and probably did) use a splitter that Pete built >(if memory serves, Pete sells these, along with >other things, on his website). I suppose if you >had the cash, you could at least have Pete build >you what you want, you'd get the best quality, >best sound, etc, and it'd be indestructible on >top of that. > >I recall that Whirlwind used to make a four way >splitter, it was a rack unit. They had an >optional footswitch unit tha went with it. You >could also use it the other way around, to sum >four seperate inputs (you could, say, plug four >guitars in). Dunno if they still make it though. > >And of course, you could simply buy three A/B/Y >boxes, plug your signal before the amp into box, >then run each of the outputs into one of the >remaining boxes, and leave all three set on Y, >and PRESTO! Four outputs! > >===== >May you never thirst! >The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris > >"What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs >http://www.hotjobs.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 16 13:31:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24735; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:30:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:30:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:29:19 -0400 To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" From: Tom Ritchford Subject: 8/17: loop op loop op ne enlopen loop Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com looping looping looping looping looping as always looping on Saturday looping afternoons looping between 4pm and 8pm, looping (of course, as always). open loop is live looping of live and electronic instruments, looped love live with instruments looping and repeating and looping and voices and guitars and laptops and sequencers and instruments and looping of live music sound looping music. open loop is every Saturday afternoon from 4pm to 8pm at Chama, 332 east 4th street, between c & d, New York City. http://loopNY.com, $2 suggested donation. /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 16 15:01:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01888; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:01:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:01:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020816190033.8723.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:00:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Guitargeek.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200208161731.NAA24978@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <>> Unfortunately, this website demanded a username and password when I tried to access it. When I tried to go to just www.guitargeek.com, it still asked for the username. There are a lot of websites that demand that you subscribe or register or what have ya, but usually, they at least tell you how you can do that. :-( ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 16 15:12:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02995; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:12:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:12:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020816191141.40732.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:11:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Brian May's setup To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200208161731.NAA24978@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <24W3eB.A.1t.u5UX9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com << Chris, thanks for the in-depth post. According to what I'd heard, the reason he supposedly used the three banks of four was so he could apply separate effects as you mentioned to each amp, in a single bank, and then switch to a second or third bank if he needed to, as he'd apparently felt that the AC-30s weren't very reliable. -so the set-up was a redundant back-up just in case. >> Well, the redundant aspect might explain why he had multiple amps hooked up to each output. I don't know how reliable those AC-30's are. Remember, he was using the original amps from the 60's, not reissues. I always wondered why you always saw these hard rock and metal bands where each guitarist is plugged into multiple amps. I'd always read in Guitar Player where these guitarists would say things like "I'm using 4 Marshall stacks onstage". Do any of these guys actually use ALL of them at once, where the other three just back up and/or just there "for show". I can tell you that wall of AC-30's certainly looked impressive on stage. :-) << who knows though, I'm sure there's so much mis-info going around about famous players it's not even funny! >> This is true. What cracks me up are the ads I still see for Electro-Harmonix where it's mentioned that Hendrix used a Big Muff. Well, as far as I know, Jimi never used one. Maybe used one in the studio at some point, but I think onstage the only distortion pedals he used were a Fuzz Face and an original Roger Mayer built Octavia (he probably went through a number of each, as I'm sure stuff was always breaking down, getting stolen, etc). I love it when manufacturers mention a musician in an ad, just because the guitarist in question played the instrument for five minutes at a trade show or whatever. There was an old BC Rich ad that had Eric Clapton in it, back in the mid 70's. Clapton?! Playing a BC Rich?! I don't think so, but then, this was back when he was still drinking pretty heavy. But the comments I made were based on interviews I read with Brian himself where he explained how all this works. He said that he was able to get a cleaner sound if he had each signal coming out of a seperate amp, and he could process, eq, etc each signal seperately as well. <> Well, the first part is the one that's relatively easy. I don't know if my sound is particularly unique, but I do feel I get the sounds I want pretty easily. Now, becoming famous, that's something else altogether. :-) ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 16 16:20:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09394; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:19:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:19:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.129.91.149] From: "terry o'brien" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Guitargeek.com Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:18:39 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2002 20:18:39.0884 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C029CC0:01C24562] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmm, that's strange..I've never been asked or prompted. I just checked the link and it is dead. Yesterday it was fine...and if I just go to the home page, it's just a logo and contact. Seems like something happened in the last 24 hours. Oh well, seemed like a possibly helpful idea at the time. Nevermind...T >From: Chris Richards >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Guitargeek.com >Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:00:33 -0700 (PDT) > >< Here's the link for Brian May's set-up (well >sorta - only has one set of three amps). There >could be more info in there if you root around. >....T > > >http://www.guitargeek.com/layouts/display.php3?id=409 > >>> > >Unfortunately, this website demanded a username >and password when I tried to access it. When I >tried to go to just www.guitargeek.com, it still >asked for the username. There are a lot of >websites that demand that you subscribe or >register or what have ya, but usually, they at >least tell you how you can do that. :-( > > > >===== >May you never thirst! >The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris > >"What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl >Jones > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs >http://www.hotjobs.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 16 16:32:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10833; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:32:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:32:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D5D6124.A6C1647E@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:31:33 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Guitargeek.com References: <20020816190033.8723.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think they're down for upgrades or something. I've been there before, but this time it told me: "...version 2.0 online 9/1/02" Mark Sotilaro Chris Richards wrote: > < Here's the link for Brian May's set-up (well > sorta - only has one set of three amps). There > could be more info in there if you root around. > ....T > > > http://www.guitargeek.com/layouts/display.php3?id=409 > >>> > > Unfortunately, this website demanded a username > and password when I tried to access it. When I > tried to go to just www.guitargeek.com, it still > asked for the username. There are a lot of > websites that demand that you subscribe or > register or what have ya, but usually, they at > least tell you how you can do that. :-( > > ===== > May you never thirst! > The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris > > "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 16 16:51:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12352; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:50:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:50:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008a01c24566$8fbffd20$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <20020816190033.8723.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> <3D5D6124.A6C1647E@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Guitargeek.com Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 21:45:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No problem here. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 21:31 PM Subject: Re: Guitargeek.com > I think they're down for upgrades or something. I've been there before, but this > time it told me: > > "...version 2.0 online 9/1/02" > > Mark Sotilaro > > Chris Richards wrote: > > > < > Here's the link for Brian May's set-up (well > > sorta - only has one set of three amps). There > > could be more info in there if you root around. > > ....T > > > > > > http://www.guitargeek.com/layouts/display.php3?id=409 > > >>> > > > > Unfortunately, this website demanded a username > > and password when I tried to access it. When I > > tried to go to just www.guitargeek.com, it still > > asked for the username. There are a lot of > > websites that demand that you subscribe or > > register or what have ya, but usually, they at > > least tell you how you can do that. :-( > > > > ===== > > May you never thirst! > > The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris > > > > "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > > http://www.hotjobs.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 16 16:56:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12907; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:55:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:55:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c24568$12e666c0$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: Subject: Re: Guitargeek.com Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:01:21 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FYI - Just clicked on it and it worked fine - 04:55pm EST. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com : Re: Guitargeek.com > Hmmm, that's strange..I've never been asked or prompted. I just checked the > link and it is dead. Yesterday it was fine...and if I just go to the home > page, it's just a logo and contact. Seems like something happened in the > last 24 hours. Oh well, seemed like a possibly helpful idea at the time. > Nevermind...T > > > >From: Chris Richards > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Re: Guitargeek.com > >Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:00:33 -0700 (PDT) > > > >< > Here's the link for Brian May's set-up (well > >sorta - only has one set of three amps). There > >could be more info in there if you root around. > >....T > > > > > >http://www.guitargeek.com/layouts/display.php3?id=409 > > >>> > > > >Unfortunately, this website demanded a username > >and password when I tried to access it. When I > >tried to go to just www.guitargeek.com, it still > >asked for the username. There are a lot of > >websites that demand that you subscribe or > >register or what have ya, but usually, they at > >least tell you how you can do that. :-( > > > > > > > >===== > >May you never thirst! > >The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris > > > >"What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl > >Jones > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > >http://www.hotjobs.com > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 16 17:37:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17173; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:37:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:37:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.129.91.149] From: "terry o'brien" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Guitargeek.com Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:35:49 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2002 21:35:49.0793 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3A6A910:01C2456C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, on a second look, I saw the date. Bad timing on my part I suppose but,... who knew? ...T >From: sine@zerocrossing.net >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Guitargeek.com >Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:31:33 -0700 > >I think they're down for upgrades or something. I've been there before, >but this >time it told me: > >"...version 2.0 online 9/1/02" > >Mark Sotilaro > >Chris Richards wrote: > > > < > Here's the link for Brian May's set-up (well > > sorta - only has one set of three amps). There > > could be more info in there if you root around. > > ....T > > > > > > http://www.guitargeek.com/layouts/display.php3?id=409 > > >>> > > > > Unfortunately, this website demanded a username > > and password when I tried to access it. When I > > tried to go to just www.guitargeek.com, it still > > asked for the username. There are a lot of > > websites that demand that you subscribe or > > register or what have ya, but usually, they at > > least tell you how you can do that. :-( > > > > ===== > > May you never thirst! > > The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris > > > > "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James >Earl Jones > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > > http://www.hotjobs.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 16 18:17:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21814; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:17:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:17:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: input/output within old oberheim vs. new Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:16:55 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020814152428.0383e008@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I fixed an Oberheim EDP with this problem, (customer had one old & one new). It had been manufactured with the A10K and B50K pots reversed. I would check this; they have their value printed on the top edge, Andy. -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: 14 August 2002 23:29 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: input/output within old oberheim vs. new New units have a limiter on the loop input, old units do not. If you have the level turned up to where the new one is engaging the limiter, it would end up sounding lower in volume (and probably compressed) in relation to the other unit. The other unit is probably slightly clipping, however. (that is why the limiter is there.) Try turning input vol down on both. or, if you like playing with the ohm meter, check the volume potentiometers, maybe they are different for some reason. kim At 02:42 PM 8/14/2002, Bret wrote: >Jim, >I have no idea why they would be different. I would open the Gibson >unit and check those R10, R30 resistor values. > >Kim, Matthias, Others, >Any clues regarding this gain mystery? >bret > >--- Jimmy Fowler wrote: > > i tested the unit and both resistors are the newer upgrade, measuring 10k > > and 22k. BUT the input/output of this oberheim compared to my gibson is > > still significantly different. the voltage regulator is new also. any > > ideas as to why they still behave differently? > > > > -jim > > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 16 18:30:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22905; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:30:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:30:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020816152628.01fe6af0@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: the truth is out there Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:27:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: RE: input/output within old oberheim vs. new In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020814152428.0383e008@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How does one tell if they are reversed? Which one goes where? At 11:16 PM 2002/08/16 +0100, Andy wrote: >I fixed an Oberheim EDP with this problem, (customer had one old & one new). >It had been manufactured with the A10K and B50K pots reversed. I would check >this; they have their value printed on the top edge, >Andy. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] >Sent: 14 August 2002 23:29 >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: input/output within old oberheim vs. new > >New units have a limiter on the loop input, old units do not. If you have >the level turned up to where the new one is engaging the limiter, it would >end up sounding lower in volume (and probably compressed) in relation to >the other unit. The other unit is probably slightly clipping, however. >(that is why the limiter is there.) Try turning input vol down on both. > >or, if you like playing with the ohm meter, check the volume >potentiometers, maybe they are different for some reason. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 16 18:46:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23969; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:46:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:46:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: input/output within old oberheim vs. new Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:45:25 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020816152628.01fe6af0@mail.mindspring.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com R86 & R87, Vol & O/P = A10K R88 & R89, Mix & FB = B50K -----Original Message----- From: Sean Echevarria [mailto:sean_@mindspring.com] Sent: 16 August 2002 23:28 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: input/output within old oberheim vs. new How does one tell if they are reversed? Which one goes where? At 11:16 PM 2002/08/16 +0100, Andy wrote: >I fixed an Oberheim EDP with this problem, (customer had one old & one new). >It had been manufactured with the A10K and B50K pots reversed. I would check >this; they have their value printed on the top edge, >Andy. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] >Sent: 14 August 2002 23:29 >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: input/output within old oberheim vs. new > >New units have a limiter on the loop input, old units do not. If you have >the level turned up to where the new one is engaging the limiter, it would >end up sounding lower in volume (and probably compressed) in relation to >the other unit. The other unit is probably slightly clipping, however. >(that is why the limiter is there.) Try turning input vol down on both. > >or, if you like playing with the ohm meter, check the volume >potentiometers, maybe they are different for some reason. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 16 21:48:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07692; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 21:48:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 21:48:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003601c24590$c97b3fa0$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents coin gutter Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 21:52:47 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks to everyone who came out for the Ping's 3rd Anniversary show and thanks to the thoughful staff at Club Nia / C'est What who provided the very tasty special treats for the occasion. :) THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday August 20th - coin gutter Visiting the Ping from Vancouver BC, experimental duo "coin gutter" call what they do "trial and error electro sound for the onomatopoeia impaired". This is not a night of calculated laptop precision. The only thing the audience can count on hearing is a collage of sound ranging from rich, gorgeous vocals & subsonics to chaotic mechanical clattering. Download the latest from coin gutter at www.vanityrecords.com to find out what you're getting yourself into. . Between Sets CD - "Origins" by Steve Roach (Celestial Harmonies) Powerful shamanic electronic music featuring extensive tribal 'world' instrumentation and dark brooding ambient synths seeped in Roach's trademarked cavernous reverberation. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 03:39:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02761; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 03:38:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 03:38:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:38:29 -0700 Subject: OT Wiring diagram for a Steinberger M series From: Marklar To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C74591A.9C88ED5A@altruistmusic.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2f3UPB.A.xq.x1fX9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Would anyone out there have a wiring diagram for a Steinberger M series guitar with two EMG single coils and a humbucker (EMG 89) at the bridge. Don't ask. Long story. Very sad. Thanks, Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 07:10:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA18190; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 07:03:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 07:03:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c245ab$5493ed20$66effea9@oemcomputer> From: "Bruce Comens" To: References: <36.2bff813f.2a8c3fbf@aol.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020814181523.037cfea8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: EDP -- Behringer FCB100 oddness Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:02:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I've just been doing basic programming (using conroller messages) of the Behringer FCB1010 to operate the edp front panel controls and have a odd glitch: The first press of record on the footpedal (from powerup or after using the front panel controls of the edp) produces a reset (long press) instead of a record. After that it works normally (short press = record on or off). The first press of record on the front panel (after using the footpedal) has no effect at all. After that it works normally. As long as I remember it, this isn't too bad, but it seems strange--anyone have any ideas? Apart from that, the Behringer seems inadequate for many of the new features of loop 4 (e.g., SUS functions)--or am i missing some workaround? thanks for any help/ideas, Bruce From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 09:12:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25534; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:01:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:01:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1029357683.32640.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200208131741.NAA14348@hemlock.violacea.com> <00f501c24327$9e0af920$e663f93f@global> <3.0.3.32.20020814140050.0089b100@mail.airmail.net> <1029357683.32640.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:02:54 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Decay rate and time Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Is there an estimate of decay time based on position of feedback dial? >For instance, how long will it take for a layer to decay completely if >the feedback dial is positioned at 3 O'clock? 12 O'clock? 9 O'Clock? > >Regards, >Jeff Hey Jeff! You cited a long text to ask this question ;-) But it is related and interesting: As the FB is a rate, there is not "complete decay". Its a "geometric sequence" if I remember the math correctly. If the FB control is linear, 12 O'clock brings a rate of 1/2: Each repetition is half as loud as the previous one. But its never totally gone. In the analogy with history: Most facts can still be found in some documents, but at some point, they may be considered "unimportant" or "outdated". To have a base to measure decay time, the engineers defined the reverb time as the time it takes until the sound is 60dB weaker than the original. But this is not a truth, just a definition, just like defining how loud "silence" and "too loud" is. Since a factor 2 means 6dB, that would correspond to 10 repetitions, right? So roughly, we could say that with FB at 12 O'clock we repeat 10 times. The idea to have the FB rate depending on the loop time to achieve an absolute fading time has been arround for a while (also on this list?) Technically it would not be complicated. We may have it in the future, but I suspect it will not be perfectly usefull either... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 09:12:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25539; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:01:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:01:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3D59F906.C770BD2C@earthlink.net> References: <200208131741.NAA14348@hemlock.violacea.com> <00f501c24327$9e0af920$e663f93f@global> <3D59F906.C770BD2C@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:02:54 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Critique of Critique of Feedback at Max Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Of course you are totally right Rick! Since we can do great music without any loop tool, we certainly can with one that has no FB control! Besides, I was not quite so much referring to the estetics of the result but the experience of creating the music. Often music comes with music. You call a spirtit with a tune and it tells you how another tune goes. When you introduce a new soloist on stage, the other musicians step back a little... I could have said: The most important feature to a LOOP tool after a tap tempo recording function and some way to overdubb is a controllable FeedBack. But this would have been just an opinion, too, as Andre explains he uses other functions to evolve... Another point of view: We spend about 1/4 of the processor power with the multiplication and filter that provides smooth Feedback control... so my mother would say: Since you spent $150 on that feature, you gotta use it! LOL! But in my heart, yes, I think we really need to learn to live with conscious fading. Its a mission, yes. It has to do with cleaning out, not becoming attached, possesive... Sure I want to be tolerant with the ones that dont agree, but I hate revolutions and to avoid them, we have to be able to let older things fade in peace to make space for all the new things to happen. If we cut the old, the new has no base and is more likely to come out wrong. You could compare the DL4 to the Bible :-) : Fill it until its thick and then let it run without change until you trash it all together (possibly with a war...) As stig sais, you can do it with output volume fading, too. But then it leads to the use of several loopers or tracks... a much bigger technical and operational effort for some more flexibility - a little less organic, maybe...? A good point actually: The FB makes that all old stuff fade at the same rate, which is not the ideal, if we think of history in general. Some currents (movements, ideas, chapters...) have to fade quicker than others... so this may be easier to simbolize with a looper for each current... we will get to that technology without covering the whole stage with DL4s ;-) And he also questioned: ***if people are making good/great music with the tools at hand, why must they be taught something different? I guess that those who are perfectly happy with their great music are not on that list. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 09:12:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25536; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:01:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:01:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:02:54 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: question for Mathias Grob,regarding pcm42 mod Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id JAA25479 Resent-Message-ID: <2wExH.A.aOG.MkkX9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >hi,i hope you remember me,i'm maneco from uruguay, yes, I do! >i have two questions regarding your primitive loop delay,based in >pcm42 and counters,registers... >i've read the program code in your site..did you do all of that just >with logic? >in that case, you used presetable counters or adders for calculating >the read and write address... correct >are the math operations needed for calculating tempo bars possible >with these aproach? I am not sure whether I understand this question... I dont think I calculated tempo bars with the HW mod... the 42s unique tempo definition did not work any more after my mod, since it was done in the processor which I took out :-( >Thank you very much >Um abraÇo >maneco outro! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 09:20:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26325; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:18:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:18:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005501c245f0$ce990e80$6f4b4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <20020816191141.40732.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Brian May's setup Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:20:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com << who knows though, I'm sure there's so much mis-info going around about famous players it's not even funny! >> >This is true. What cracks me up are the ads I still see for Electro-Harmonix where it's mentioned that Hendrix used a Big Muff. Well, as far as I know, Jimi never used one. < ...like the Hartke bass amps that list Jaco as a user - yeah, like anyone who's played bass for longer than about 5 mins doesn't know that throughout his playing career THE jaco sound was from his Acoustic amp... so the poor guy got given a Hartke at some point, probably while completely wasted in NYC, and now they use his name in an ad... Maybe I can find musicians with drug habits and swap glowing reviews of my CDs for a fix... Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 09:43:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27708; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:41:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:41:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c245f3$b44e6040$61061f40@makata> From: "Mark Kata" To: References: Subject: Re: OT Wiring diagram for a Steinberger M series Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:40:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Marklar You may want to look at this website and its associated mailing list: www.steinbergerworld.com Also, these websites have good information that may lead you to the answer you seek: www.peekamoose.com (They specialize in repairing Steinbergers) http://users.erols.com/jseltz/steinberger/ MK p.s. I'd kinda like to hear your long, sad Steinberger story. E-mail me privately. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 10:41:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA32107; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 10:34:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 10:34:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <17d.cdd8363.2a8fb881@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 10:32:33 EDT Subject: EDP -- Behringer FCB100 oddness To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 17/08/02 14:12:58 GMT Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > The first press of record on the front panel (after using the footpedal) has > no effect at all. After that it works normally. > As long as I remember it, this isn't too bad, but it seems strange--anyone > have any ideas? > > Apart from that, the Behringer seems inadequate for many of the new features > of loop 4 (e.g., SUS functions)--or am i missing some workaround? > > thanks for any help/ideas, > Bruce Make sure you use Note-Ons to control the EDP, not Controllers. This may solve all your problems, and make the SUS functions work just fine. phew, that was a quick one (maybe;-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 11:59:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06610; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 11:57:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 11:57:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c001c245d4$643d08a0$66effea9@oemcomputer> From: "Bruce Comens" To: Subject: EDP into amp feedback problem Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 11:55:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B8_01C245E4.F57C0180" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B8_01C245E4.F57C0180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi again, I'm temporarily running directly into the edp, then from the edp into = the front end of my amp. Works fine, unless i turn the treble on the = amp up at all, when I start to get distortion and declining volume. As = I turn the treble further up, volume drops way down and disappears, the = input light on the edp comes on (with no edp), and the front panel = display and functions go crazy. Am I doing something wrong? Is there = something wrong with the edp? a fix? Bruce ------=_NextPart_000_00B8_01C245E4.F57C0180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi again,
 
I'm temporarily running directly into = the edp, then=20 from the edp into the front end of my amp.  Works fine, unless i = turn the=20 treble on the amp up at all, when I start to get distortion and = declining=20 volume.  As I turn the treble further up, volume drops way down and = disappears, the input light on the edp comes on (with no edp), = and the=20 front panel display and functions go crazy.  Am I doing something=20 wrong?  Is there something wrong with the edp?   a=20 fix?
 
Bruce
------=_NextPart_000_00B8_01C245E4.F57C0180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 11:59:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06607; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 11:57:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 11:57:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 10:49:15 -0500 Subject: guitargeek.com | answers | intro From: adam To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_0DG3B.A.ikB.WInX9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey loopers, i've been lurking on this list for awhile now and have enjoyed the gear discussions and info. i'm a long-time looper ( pds-8000 & eh16...! ) and the fellow behind the gear-crazed insanity that is guitargeek.com. sorry for the access issues a few of you have been having with the site! we are switching servers and prepping for a re-launch of the site on september 1st. the brian may setup we have on the site is from a one-off promo gig brian did for a guitar seminar put on by the fine folks at total guitar mag in the uk. the rig was scaled down considerably compared to his full-blown concert appearances. we'll have the full rig soon... look for a future guitargeek update consisting of nothing but ambient/textural players in the near future. those type of rigs usually make for interesting signal paths that wiggles their way through a lot of cool gear to create some beautiful tones and shifts. i'll keep you posted! all the best adam - guitargeek.com for the curious here's a few links to some of my past and present musical adventures: current: lochheed http://www.lochheed.com dense beats and mangled/looped guitars (yes... no keyboards were harmed!) (a few very short vocal and bass-less demo snippets online) past: alisons halo http://www.lo-fi.com/alisonshalo (atmospheric/noise guitars - female vocals - all recorded to 2, 4, and/or 8 track cassette porta-studios 92-96) current: insta http://www.go-insta.com (60-ish jangly pop - female vocals - bacharach with a fuzz pedal or the carpenters on speed ) - way OFF topic :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 11:59:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06603; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 11:57:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 11:57:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bf01c245d4$635b3420$66effea9@oemcomputer> From: "Bruce Comens" To: References: <36.2bff813f.2a8c3fbf@aol.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020814181523.037cfea8@loopers-delight.com> <001401c245ab$5493ed20$66effea9@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: EDP -- Behringer FCB100 oddness Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 11:46:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A response to my own message--yesterday i was groggy from carting my new goodies across the atlantic; after about 3 hours sleep last night i realized: 1) that it needs to send a second CC for "off" (programmable on switch 7) for both record and undo. This gave me all the standard footpedal functions (minus the long press), and the front panel controls work properly again. But I couldn't get any of the new direct midi commands to work, so I dug deeper and realized: 2) that the Behringer works perfectly with notes--I now have all the standard functions, longpress, all the new ones (well, at least the few that i've tried to set up). Now that i've programmed the pedal twice it seems pretty straightforward! Except: 3) the footcontrollers (volume and feedback), though set up for a range of 0-127, only yield about 26-127, according to the edp display and my ears......and i have no idea what to do for that. Bruce From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 12:07:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08359; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 12:02:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 12:02:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d701c245d5$22a53c40$66effea9@oemcomputer> From: "Bruce Comens" To: References: <17d.cdd8363.2a8fb881@aol.com> Subject: Re: EDP -- Behringer FCB100 oddness Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 12:02:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This may solve all your problems, and make the SUS functions work just fine. > > phew, that was a quick one (maybe;-) > > andy butler It sure did....at least *those* problems.... Thanks, Bruce From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 12:15:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09212; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 12:15:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 12:15:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.182] From: "one less than none" To: "Loopers Delight mailing list" Subject: thin cc / volume pedals ? Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:12:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01C24611.37C45FC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2002 16:14:07.0655 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D17E370:01C24609] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C24611.37C45FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable strange question i know but as my pealboard grows i need to find out ... what is the smallest volume CC pedal i can get ? thinner is better, the thinest i have is a boss fv-50, my yamaha pedals = are huge ! any help will be gratefully receieved David Swain d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C24611.37C45FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
strange question i know but as my = pealboard grows=20 i need to find out ...
what is the smallest = volume CC=20 pedal  i can get ?
thinner is better, the thinest i have = is a boss=20 fv-50, my yamaha pedals are huge !
 
any help will be gratefully=20 receieved
 
 
David Swain
 
d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk
= www.onelessthannone.co.uk
------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C24611.37C45FC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 13:01:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13434; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 13:00:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 13:00:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 10:00:20 -0700 Subject: Re: EDP -- Behringer FCB100 oddness From: Marklar To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001401c245ab$5493ed20$66effea9@oemcomputer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That does sound weird. Mine doesn't behave that way at all. I haven't made the plunge into Loop4 yet, so I can't help you there. All I can say is something seems wrong. Mark Sottilaro on 8/16/02 2:02 PM, Bruce Comens at bcomens@mail.nexus.it wrote: > The first press of record on the footpedal (from powerup or after using the > front panel controls of the edp) produces a reset (long press) instead of a > record. After that it works normally (short press = record on or off). > The first press of record on the front panel (after using the footpedal) has > no effect at all. After that it works normally. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 13:46:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17906; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 13:45:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 13:45:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c24615$a2d99060$af2693d4@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <200208131741.NAA14348@hemlock.violacea.com> <00f501c24327$9e0af920$e663f93f@global> <3.0.3.32.20020814140050.0089b100@mail.airmail.net> <1029357683.32640.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Re: Decay rate and time Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 19:43:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The idea to have the FB rate depending on the loop time to achieve an > absolute fading time has been arround for a while (also on this list?) > Technically it would not be complicated. We may have it in the > future, but I suspect it will not be perfectly usefull either... > -- at the point where Loop x.xx will finally be a multitracker (meaning each layer separate) real feedback would be obsolete and replaced by layer volume and very limited undo per layer overdub (new layer) then short undo :mute of the new layer; long undo: erase and discard this last layer feedback reduction would then mean layer output volume fade out (virtual feedback) as we do not want the memory fill with undo layers while reducing feedback we could save a bunch of memory like that, for the sake of a maximum of seperate tracks. Claude merde I'm late ByBye From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 13:46:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17905; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 13:45:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 13:45:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.182] From: "one less than none" To: "Loopers Delight mailing list" Subject: pmc-10 on ebay Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:42:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0038_01C2461D.DA9FD920" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2002 17:44:35.0642 (UTC) FILETIME=[C06CF9A0:01C24615] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C2461D.DA9FD920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable seeing as it the foot controoller of choice on here, i noticed this on = ebay and thought some of you might be interested http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D899354774 im not the seller David Swain d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C2461D.DA9FD920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
seeing as it the foot controoller of = choice on=20 here, i noticed this on ebay and thought some of you might be=20 interested
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D899354774=
 
im not the seller
 
David Swain
 
d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk
= www.onelessthannone.co.uk
------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C2461D.DA9FD920-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 13:46:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17892; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 13:45:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 13:45:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005501c245f0$ce990e80$6f4b4ed5@bigboy> References: <20020816191141.40732.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> <005501c245f0$ce990e80$6f4b4ed5@bigboy> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 11:27:50 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: Brian May's setup Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ><< who knows though, I'm sure there's so much >mis-info going around about famous players it's >not even funny! >> > >>This is true. What cracks me up are the ads I >still see for Electro-Harmonix where it's >mentioned that Hendrix used a Big Muff. Well, as >far as I know, Jimi never used one. < > >...like the Hartke bass amps that list Jaco as a user - yeah, like anyone >who's played bass for longer than about 5 mins doesn't know that throughout >his playing career THE jaco sound was from his Acoustic amp... so the poor >guy got given a Hartke at some point, probably while completely wasted in >NYC, and now they use his name in an ad... Maybe I can find musicians with >drug habits and swap glowing reviews of my CDs for a fix... > >Steve >www.steve-lawson.co.uk Hi Steve! After a long hiatus, I have rejoined the online loop scene! Anyway, while the signature amp for Jaco was indeed the Acoustic 360, he did have a pretty close real relationship with Hartke (Larry?). Not that that meant that he used the gear that much. The real point I want to make, though, is that THE Jaco sound came from his fingers. For a huge portion of his studio recordings he was plugged in direct, no amp, no preamp, no nothing. Edwin PS Loop content: I saw Jaco twice, 1978 with Weather Report and 1979 with Joni Mitchell and in both cases, he got to do some crazy loops! -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 14:02:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20431; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:01:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:01:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.79.97.43] From: "terry o'brien" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: guitargeek.com | answers | intro Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 11:00:29 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2002 18:00:29.0671 (UTC) FILETIME=[F9123F70:01C24617] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Adam, thanx for the info....I'll be checking it out. Especially interested in the new additions of ambient/textural players. Good on ya! Cheers, Terry www.anomalousdisturbances.com >From: adam >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: guitargeek.com | answers | intro >Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 10:49:15 -0500 > >hey loopers, > >i've been lurking on this list for awhile now and have enjoyed the gear >discussions and info. i'm a long-time looper ( pds-8000 & eh16...! ) and >the >fellow behind the gear-crazed insanity that is guitargeek.com. sorry for >the >access issues a few of you have been having with the site! we are switching >servers and prepping for a re-launch of the site on september 1st. > >the brian may setup we have on the site is from a one-off promo gig brian >did for a guitar seminar put on by the fine folks at total guitar mag in >the >uk. the rig was scaled down considerably compared to his full-blown concert >appearances. we'll have the full rig soon... > >look for a future guitargeek update consisting of nothing but >ambient/textural players in the near future. those type of rigs usually >make >for interesting signal paths that wiggles their way through a lot of cool >gear to create some beautiful tones and shifts. i'll keep you posted! > >all the best > >adam - guitargeek.com > >for the curious here's a few links to some of my past and present musical >adventures: > >current: >lochheed >http://www.lochheed.com >dense beats and mangled/looped guitars (yes... no keyboards were harmed!) >(a few very short vocal and bass-less demo snippets online) > >past: >alisons halo >http://www.lo-fi.com/alisonshalo >(atmospheric/noise guitars - female vocals - all recorded to 2, 4, and/or >8 >track cassette porta-studios 92-96) > >current: >insta >http://www.go-insta.com >(60-ish jangly pop - female vocals - bacharach with a fuzz pedal or the >carpenters on speed ) - way OFF topic :) > > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 14:24:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21878; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:23:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:23:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [200.40.166.174] From: "juan darkness" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: question for Mathias Grob,regarding pcm42 mod Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:22:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2002 18:22:46.0035 (UTC) FILETIME=[159B3630:01C2461B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>hi,i hope you remember me,i'm maneco from uruguay, > >yes, I do! > >>i have two questions regarding your primitive loop delay,based in pcm42 >>and counters,registers... >>i've read the program code in your site..did you do all of that just with >>logic? >>in that case, you used presetable counters or adders for calculating the >>read and write address... > >correct > >>are the math operations needed for calculating tempo bars possible with >>these aproach? > >I am not sure whether I understand this question... I dont think I >calculated tempo bars with the HW mod... the 42s unique tempo definition >did not work any more after my mod, since it was done in the processor >which I took out :-( > >>Thank you very much >>Um abraÇo >>maneco > >outro! hi,Mathias, i have now printed copies of your program lines in my pocket,i read the every liunch break,this morning i was repairing a dialysis machine in a clinic and while waiting a procces to end,reading them.... do you remember which counters you used(my guess is 74ls163 for presetable counters,and 74ls283 for adders...) Is it necesary to work with the full adress,or just the most significant part of it,for example the 8 most significant? i'm starting to understand all of your system,but i don't quite get the idea of how to make a difference using logic gates(radr=wadr-lotm,for example)maybe i should think it as wadr=radr+lotm? i'm not asking for your designs or drawings,i'm really having fun with this...i'm happy that i understood how you copied the data from the tempo loop to the long multiplied loop,it's not a copy,just full feedback,isn`t it? my looper is getting into shape...4mb,30khz,8 bit + compander,stompbox format,four footswitches(tap,loop,write and bypass)later i'll have to think how to send clock out from it,maybe with a pll(4046?)i'll have to multiply the tempo rate from the tempo count obrigado!!! Maneco _________________________________________________________________ Charle con sus amigos online usando MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 15:02:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26011; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:01:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:01:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.182] From: "one less than none" To: References: Subject: Re: guitargeek.com | answers | intro Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 19:58:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2002 19:00:39.0818 (UTC) FILETIME=[60E2F6A0:01C24620] Resent-Message-ID: <0msfNB.A.RVG.21pX9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah im glad that site is being updated again it has everything for the gearhead!!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "terry o'brien" To: Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 7:00 PM Subject: Re: guitargeek.com | answers | intro > Hey Adam, thanx for the info....I'll be checking it out. Especially > interested in the new additions of ambient/textural players. Good on ya! > > Cheers, Terry > www.anomalousdisturbances.com > > > >From: adam > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: > >Subject: guitargeek.com | answers | intro > >Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 10:49:15 -0500 > > > >hey loopers, > > > >i've been lurking on this list for awhile now and have enjoyed the gear > >discussions and info. i'm a long-time looper ( pds-8000 & eh16...! ) and > >the > >fellow behind the gear-crazed insanity that is guitargeek.com. sorry for > >the > >access issues a few of you have been having with the site! we are switching > >servers and prepping for a re-launch of the site on september 1st. > > > >the brian may setup we have on the site is from a one-off promo gig brian > >did for a guitar seminar put on by the fine folks at total guitar mag in > >the > >uk. the rig was scaled down considerably compared to his full-blown concert > >appearances. we'll have the full rig soon... > > > >look for a future guitargeek update consisting of nothing but > >ambient/textural players in the near future. those type of rigs usually > >make > >for interesting signal paths that wiggles their way through a lot of cool > >gear to create some beautiful tones and shifts. i'll keep you posted! > > > >all the best > > > >adam - guitargeek.com > > > >for the curious here's a few links to some of my past and present musical > >adventures: > > > >current: > >lochheed > >http://www.lochheed.com > >dense beats and mangled/looped guitars (yes... no keyboards were harmed!) > >(a few very short vocal and bass-less demo snippets online) > > > >past: > >alisons halo > >http://www.lo-fi.com/alisonshalo > >(atmospheric/noise guitars - female vocals - all recorded to 2, 4, and/or > >8 > >track cassette porta-studios 92-96) > > > >current: > >insta > >http://www.go-insta.com > >(60-ish jangly pop - female vocals - bacharach with a fuzz pedal or the > >carpenters on speed ) - way OFF topic :) > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 15:02:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26043; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:02:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:02:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 12:01:49 -0700 Subject: Re: question for Mathias Grob,regarding pcm42 mod From: Marklar To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA25979 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When I read things like this I feel like a Neanderthal watching someone set the clock on a VCR. on 8/17/02 6:02 AM, Matthias Grob at matthias@grob.org wrote: >> hi,i hope you remember me,i'm maneco from uruguay, > > yes, I do! > >> i have two questions regarding your primitive loop delay,based in >> pcm42 and counters,registers... >> i've read the program code in your site..did you do all of that just >> with logic? >> in that case, you used presetable counters or adders for calculating >> the read and write address... > > correct > >> are the math operations needed for calculating tempo bars possible >> with these aproach? > > I am not sure whether I understand this question... I dont think I > calculated tempo bars with the HW mod... the 42s unique tempo > definition did not work any more after my mod, since it was done in > the processor which I took out :-( > >> Thank you very much >> Um abraÇo >> maneco > > outro! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 15:12:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26928; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:12:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:12:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <150.12911474.2a8ff9f0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:11:44 EDT Subject: Re: OT Wiring diagram for a Steinberger M series To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <-kDmzC.A.HkG.z_pX9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com makata@bignet.net writes: >www.peekamoose.com (They specialize in repairing Steinbergers) i could not recommend any luthier-repair dude more highly than paul at peekamoose: stunning work, if expensive..... completely restored a rotten TransTrem, better than the original, for me..... best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 15:50:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30859; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:49:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:49:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Sender: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: The Need for Feedback Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 12:49:07 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c24627$2c32f0c0$7e07f843@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <4SAE.A.PhH.8iqX9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- Matthias Grob wrote: ^^As stig sais, you can do it with output volume fading, too. But then it leads to the use of several loopers or tracks... a much bigger technical and operational effort for some more flexibility - a little less organic, maybe...? ```~~~ I'm back to trying to use two loopers at once; an EDP with Loop III for percussion and another with Loop IV for guitar, synth etc. More stuff=greater care to be taken, fer shure . . . But the thing that just occurred to me to mention concerning the feedback issue and also a recent thread on how to get out of a loop (this was about 6 weeks back): If you set fb to fade a loop and begin playing another theme (contrasting, variation, whatever) live, when the loop fades sufficiently, you can finish it live--and you don't have to ride levels, you just set the fb to gradually decay-- I am reminded of the National Lampoon perfect ending: "Suddenly everyone was run over by a truck." Lots of fade outs at the Santa Cruz thing--I can't wait to observe the moment at the end of Ted Killian's set when the change fell out of my pocket--now there's a way to end a loop-- And Steuart also questioned: ***if people are making good/great music with the tools at hand, why must they be taught something different? ^^I guess that those who are perfectly happy with their great music are not on that list. ```~~~ I think we're all iconoclasts on this bus. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 16:22:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02014; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:20:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:20:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: EDP -- Behringer FCB100 oddness Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:19:58 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > on 8/16/02 2:02 PM, Bruce Comens at bcomens@mail.nexus.it wrote: > > > The first press of record on the footpedal (from powerup or > after using the > > front panel controls of the edp) produces a reset (long press) > instead of a > > record. After that it works normally (short press = record on or off). > > The first press of record on the front panel (after using the > footpedal) has > > no effect at all. After that it works normally. I have a similar problem with my EDP/LOOP4. The first press of record, using the EDP analog footpedal, creates a short loop as if set to "sustain rec", even though it is set to "toggle rec". Sometimes it's working as it should, but I don't dare to take chansces. So I always start my set by pressing the "virtual rec" by midi from the Behringer FCB1010 and this workaround has never let me down. Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com Phone +46 (0)8 341181 Mobile +46 (0)70 4416713 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 16:27:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02602; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:27:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:27:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: EDP -- Behringer FCB100 oddness Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:25:55 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c2462c$4a854af0$632f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00d701c245d5$22a53c40$66effea9@oemcomputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmm, when I hook up my Behringer to MidiOx, the 'note on' function (which I would use for the EDP) it says it is sending a momentary program change message, not a note on message. No wonder I couldn't get it to work. I have version 2.1 of the FCB1010...Has anyone who has the FCB1010 (and the free MidiOx software) confirmed that it is indeed sending 'note on' messages? If it is working for you, what software do you have? Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > This may solve all your problems, and make the SUS > functions work just > fine. > > > > phew, that was a quick one (maybe;-) > > > > andy butler > > It sure did....at least *those* problems.... > Thanks, > Bruce > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 16:50:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04049; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:50:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:50:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020817145048.00839950@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:50:48 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Critique of Critique of Feedback at Max In-Reply-To: References: <3D59F906.C770BD2C@earthlink.net> <200208131741.NAA14348@hemlock.violacea.com> <00f501c24327$9e0af920$e663f93f@global> <3D59F906.C770BD2C@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -just my opinion of course, but I think there's alot more going on in the original post than a discussion of feedback. -but, lol! since we're on the subject of feedback and the DL-4 in particular, the CD I recently did contains mostly older material which was completely done on a DL-4 which evolves as any other fadable looper might allow for. part of this comes from me, always adding new material along with the loop almost constantly. -aside from soloing and such. I agree that the lack of feedback control is a hinderence, and to me at least, a big annoyance, but it still works wonderfully in my opinion. I love the little thing!!! lol! Anyway, I wish I could upload the two pieces I'm talking about somewhere, but alas, until I come up with more webspace I cannot. -You'll just have to trust me I guess. lol! Anyway, just my thoughts, and have a wonderful day!... Smiles, CQ At 03:02 PM 8/17/02 +0200, you wrote: >Of course you are totally right Rick! >Since we can do great music without any loop tool, we certainly can >with one that has no FB control! >Besides, I was not quite so much referring to the estetics of the >result but the experience of creating the music. Often music comes >with music. You call a spirtit with a tune and it tells you how >another tune goes. >When you introduce a new soloist on stage, the other musicians step >back a little... > >I could have said: The most important feature to a LOOP tool after a >tap tempo recording function and some way to overdubb is a >controllable FeedBack. >But this would have been just an opinion, too, as Andre explains he >uses other functions to evolve... > >Another point of view: We spend about 1/4 of the processor power with >the multiplication and filter that provides smooth Feedback >control... so my mother would say: Since you spent $150 on that >feature, you gotta use it! LOL! > >But in my heart, yes, I think we really need to learn to live with >conscious fading. Its a mission, yes. It has to do with cleaning out, >not becoming attached, possesive... >Sure I want to be tolerant with the ones that dont agree, but I hate >revolutions and to avoid them, we have to be able to let older things >fade in peace to make space for all the new things to happen. If we >cut the old, the new has no base and is more likely to come out wrong. >You could compare the DL4 to the Bible :-) : Fill it until its thick >and then let it run without change until you trash it all together >(possibly with a war...) > >As stig sais, you can do it with output volume fading, too. But then >it leads to the use of several loopers or tracks... a much bigger >technical and operational effort for some more flexibility - a little >less organic, maybe...? >A good point actually: The FB makes that all old stuff fade at the >same rate, which is not the ideal, if we think of history in general. >Some currents (movements, ideas, chapters...) have to fade quicker >than others... so this may be easier to simbolize with a looper for >each current... we will get to that technology without covering the >whole stage with DL4s ;-) > >And he also questioned: >***if people are making good/great music with the tools at hand, why >must they be taught something different? > >I guess that those who are perfectly happy with their great music are >not on that list. >-- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 17:57:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10888; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:57:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:57:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004101c24639$4e9282e0$a9504ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: Brian May's setup Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:59:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi Steve! After a long hiatus, I have rejoined the online loop scene! > Anyway, while the signature amp for Jaco was indeed the Acoustic 360, > he did have a pretty close real relationship with Hartke (Larry?). > Not that that meant that he used the gear that much. ...though I have a pretty good relationship with a lot of bass builders whose work I admire and recommend to people (Zon, Status, etc) but if they put me in their ads, it'd be pretty damn weird when every recording I've ever done has been with my moduluses (moduli)... > The real point I > want to make, though, is that THE Jaco sound came from his fingers. > For a huge portion of his studio recordings he was plugged in direct, > no amp, no preamp, no nothing. Absolutley... BTW, great to have you hear, Edwin - I'm sure you've got loads to contribute! > Edwin > PS Loop content: I saw Jaco twice, 1978 with Weather Report and 1979 > with Joni Mitchell and in both cases, he got to do some crazy loops! Don't tell me stuff like that, I just get jealous! :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 18:05:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12757; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:05:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:05:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020817220515.12455.qmail@web12304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:05:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Pedro Felix Subject: Re: OT Wiring diagram for a Steinberger M series To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark - check out Steinbergerworld.com , they also have a Yahoo group called Steinberger_World. piles of info there, best, Pedro --- Marklar wrote: > Would anyone out there have a wiring diagram for a > Steinberger M series > guitar with two EMG single coils and a humbucker > (EMG 89) at the bridge. > Don't ask. Long story. Very sad. > > Thanks, > > Mark Sottilaro > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 18:13:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13429; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:13:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:13:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b901c2463b$48dc3100$d8645cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for August 17, 2002 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:12:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown on 91.7 FM and on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #6 August 17, 2002. RECAP: I started with spacemusic and moved through some eclectic genres of music, ending with some progressive rock. Along the way, I played the music of a band that will be appearing at the Progday festival in Chapel Hill, North Carolina on August 31 and September 1. I will return to The AM/FM Show on August 31. PLAYLIST: Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== vidnaObmana and I The Shifts Recyclings Asmus Tiechens (Soleilmoon) VA [Ministry of Inside While the Rest of the The Gatherings (Synkronos) Things] World Sleeps VA [Bionaut] Astral Unraveller The Gatherings (Synkronos) Navigator Flashing Blue Oceanic Empire (Groove) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Trammell Starks The Castle Gate A Trilogy Fantasy (St. Clair) Linisfarne This Too Will Pass Lindisfarne Acoustic (none) Eva Cassidy I Wandered By A Brookside Time After Time (Blix Street) Erik Wollo Rainbows Guitar Nove (Spotted Peccary) Armen Chakmakian Gypsy Rain Ceremonies (Tru Art) Willy Porter If Love Were An Airplane Willy Porter (Six Degrees) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Porcupine Tree Strip the Soul Sampler 2002.3 (Lava) Porcupine Tree Slave Called Shiver Stupid Dream (K Scope) VA [IZZ] Oh, How It's Great Progday 2002 (Progday) Transatlantic Duel With The Devil Bridge Across Forever (InsideOut) * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) Bill =============================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiy.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 18:24:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14662; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:24:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:24:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004101c24639$4e9282e0$a9504ed5@bigboy> References: <004101c24639$4e9282e0$a9504ed5@bigboy> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:24:13 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: endorsements at the brink of madness Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3w2HCB.A.dkD.wzsX9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Hi Steve! After a long hiatus, I have rejoined the online loop scene! >> Anyway, while the signature amp for Jaco was indeed the Acoustic 360, >> he did have a pretty close real relationship with Hartke (Larry?). >> Not that that meant that he used the gear that much. > >...though I have a pretty good relationship with a lot of bass builders >whose work I admire and recommend to people (Zon, Status, etc) but if they >put me in their ads, it'd be pretty damn weird when every recording I've >ever done has been with my moduluses (moduli)... This is true, but I feel that was probably a matter of timing. I have a suspicion that had Jaco not had so many mental/medical problems, he might still be using Hartke equipment today. Even better, he might have improved Hartke equipment! Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 18:39:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16366; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:39:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:39:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020817223842.15649.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:38:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Pedro Felix Subject: Re: thin cc / volume pedals ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David - yep those Yamaha's are big! check out RFX's 402/P stereo, they do cv and cc for midi 2 1/2 inches. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 --- one less than none wrote: > strange question i know but as my pealboard grows i > need to find out ... > what is the smallest volume CC pedal i can get ? > thinner is better, the thinest i have is a boss > fv-50, my yamaha pedals are huge ! > > any help will be gratefully receieved > > > David Swain > > d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk > www.onelessthannone.co.uk > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 18:56:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17929; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:56:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:56:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: The Need for Feedback Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:54:27 -0500 Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CF49@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: The Need for Feedback Thread-Index: AcJGJ1OuMK+iFPvJQ0WCmKec36ZLLQAGVVdg From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA17872 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And Steuart also questioned: ***if people are making good/great music with the tools at hand, why must they be taught something different? ^^I guess that those who are perfectly happy with their great music are not on that list. ```~~~ I think we're all iconoclasts on this bus. ** well of course, this was in response to andre saying that there might be a need to tell people about "new stuff" (i'm totally doing a crude paraphrase here). further: 1. i did mention that this list seems to be made up of malcontents and searchers. 2. i am not always "happy" with what i do. 3. a thought: perhaps the greater iconoclast is the person who does everything completely "wrong" but intrinsically successfully (or something like that - - i guess i'm thinking of someone who might be an "outside" artist along the lines of adolf woolfi . . . insane thought they may be). musing while i waste away at work on a saturday, sheesh. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 19:04:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19733; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 19:04:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 19:04:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c24644$1060e060$0749dd0c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <00b901c2463b$48dc3100$d8645cd1@LocalHost> Subject: Re: The AM/FM Show Playlist for August 17, 2002 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:16:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't recall asking to be put on this mailing list. Please take me off of it. Thanks! Mark Smart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Fox" To: Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 5:12 PM Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for August 17, 2002 > [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] > > The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays > electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other > genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown on 91.7 FM and > on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I also > host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. > > > Show #6 August 17, 2002. > > > RECAP: > I started with spacemusic and moved through some eclectic genres of music, > ending with some progressive rock. Along the way, I played the music of a band > that will be appearing at the Progday festival in Chapel Hill, North Carolina > on August 31 and September 1. I will return to The AM/FM Show on August 31. > > > PLAYLIST: > > > Phase I/Space: > > ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) > ======================= ======================== ============================== > vidnaObmana and I The Shifts Recyclings > Asmus Tiechens (Soleilmoon) > VA [Ministry of Inside While the Rest of the The Gatherings (Synkronos) > Things] World Sleeps > VA [Bionaut] Astral Unraveller The Gatherings (Synkronos) > Navigator Flashing Blue Oceanic Empire (Groove) > > Phase II/Eclectic: > > ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) > ======================= ======================== ============================== > Trammell Starks The Castle Gate A Trilogy Fantasy (St. Clair) > Linisfarne This Too Will Pass Lindisfarne Acoustic (none) > Eva Cassidy I Wandered By A Brookside Time After Time (Blix Street) > Erik Wollo Rainbows Guitar Nove (Spotted Peccary) > Armen Chakmakian Gypsy Rain Ceremonies (Tru Art) > Willy Porter If Love Were An Airplane Willy Porter (Six Degrees) > > Phase III/Progressive Rock: > > ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) > ======================= ======================== ============================== > Porcupine Tree Strip the Soul Sampler 2002.3 (Lava) > Porcupine Tree Slave Called Shiver Stupid Dream (K Scope) > VA [IZZ] Oh, How It's Great Progday 2002 (Progday) > Transatlantic Duel With The Devil Bridge Across Forever > (InsideOut) > > * = exerpt > VA = Various Artists (compilation) > > Bill > ============================================================================ === > Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. > Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. > http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow > Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at > 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and > Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic > Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiy.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh > Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill > SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 19:09:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20151; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 19:09:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 19:09:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:08:07 -0800 Subject: Re: Brian May's setup+jacoloop From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004101c24639$4e9282e0$a9504ed5@bigboy> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >> Edwin >> PS Loop content: I saw Jaco twice, 1978 with Weather Report and 1979 >> with Joni Mitchell and in both cases, he got to do some crazy loops! > > Don't tell me stuff like that, I just get jealous! :o) > > Steve > www.steve-lawson.co.uk 'course yer familiar w/ the video:"joni mitchell shadow and light" w/ p.metheny & jaco...he gets solo time where he goes way loopy-3rd stone...,etc. that's from '79, some of the earliest bass loopin i'm guessin... s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 19:21:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21048; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 19:21:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 19:21:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: Brian May's setup+jacoloop Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:19:53 -0500 Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CF4C@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Brian May's setup+jacoloop Thread-Index: AcJGQ29nv1+bAbmbRwOSDekwjWg51QAAMDtA From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA20989 Resent-Message-ID: <6ssggB.A.QIF.jptX9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 'course yer familiar w/ the video:"joni mitchell shadow and light" w/ p.metheny & jaco...he gets solo time where he goes way loopy-3rd stone...,etc. that's from '79, some of the earliest bass loopin i'm guessin... ** for what it's worth, 1976-1979 or so, i was on the road with les mccann (soul jazz pianist, "compared to what" was a big hit for him). he had a four-channel echoplex that he would use for a whole looping piece. his bass player (i was playing rhythm guitar of all things), jimmy rowser, had a single-channel echoplex that he used for his own looping solos. of interest is that jimmy also had played with charlie parker, 'trane and nancy wilson (and probably many others i didn't know about) before playing with les. so, here was a guy who was a stone upright player playing electric with effects through an early looper. i didn't really get how cool this was 'til many years later. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 20:26:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26354; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 20:26:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 20:26:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020817172548.02f1ffc8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:28:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP into amp feedback problem In-Reply-To: <00c001c245d4$643d08a0$66effea9@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-ckeOB.A.waG.EmuX9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:55 AM 8/17/2002, Bruce Comens wrote: >I'm temporarily running directly into the edp, then from the edp into the >front end of my amp. Works fine, unless i turn the treble on the amp up >at all, when I start to get distortion and declining volume. As I turn >the treble further up, volume drops way down and disappears, the input >light on the edp comes on (with no edp), and the front panel display and >functions go crazy. Am I doing something wrong? Is there something wrong >with the edp? a fix? that's pretty weird. sounds to me more like there is something wrong with your amp. like the sort of thing that eventually results in you getting a bad electrical shock. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 20:44:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28089; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 20:44:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 20:44:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c24650$40b66b20$0aacbdcf@MARCSDESKTOP> From: "Marc Roche" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020817172548.02f1ffc8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: EFC-7 switch Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:43:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, The record and the multiply momentary switches ( the little red ones) on my EFC-7 have crapped out (broken). Does anyone know the part # of these or a suitable (better?) replacement? Thanks Marc Roche From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 20:57:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29347; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 20:57:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 20:57:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020817172912.034c6ef0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:59:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Decay rate and time In-Reply-To: <001a01c24615$a2d99060$af2693d4@black> References: <200208131741.NAA14348@hemlock.violacea.com> <00f501c24327$9e0af920$e663f93f@global> <3.0.3.32.20020814140050.0089b100@mail.airmail.net> <1029357683.32640.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:43 AM 8/17/2002, Claude Voit wrote: > > The idea to have the FB rate depending on the loop time to achieve an > > absolute fading time has been arround for a while (also on this list?) > > Technically it would not be complicated. We may have it in the > > future, but I suspect it will not be perfectly usefull either... > > -- > >at the point where Loop x.xx will finally be a multitracker (meaning each >layer separate) why would you necessarily want that? I would rather have multi-tracks but also the ability to layer things on one track just as it works now. The layering concept from delays turns out to be such a simple to use and elegant interface for making complex loops. The "track" interface from recording studios gives more flexibility, but at the expense of a much more complex user interface. >real feedback would be obsolete and replaced by layer volume to me, they are not the same concepts at all. How does one replace the other? For me, the feedback+overdub combination very neatly and easily accomplishes something that is really complicated to manage with multiple tracks, for both the user and the system. I don't really see the point of trying to replace one with the other. >and very limited undo per layer overdub (new layer) then short undo :mute >of the new layer; long undo: erase and discard this last layer feedback >reduction would then mean layer output volume fade out (virtual >feedback) as we do not want the memory fill with undo layers while >reducing feedback we could save a bunch of memory like that, for the sake >of a maximum of seperate tracks. but I do want the memory to fill with previous versions as feedback changes it. Then I can undo it to go backwards, which is interesting itself, but especially interesting when combined with overdubbing. That gives a very simple and intuitive way to evolve and unevolve a loop with just two buttons and a knob and very little thinking required. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 21:03:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31234; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 21:03:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 21:03:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020817180019.034ca7f8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:05:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: SV: EDP -- Behringer FCB100 oddness In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:19 PM 8/17/2002, Per Boysen wrote: > >>on 8/16/02 2:02 PM, Bruce Comens at bcomens@mail.nexus.it wrote: > >>The first press of record on the footpedal (from powerup or after using the > >>front panel controls of the edp) produces a reset (long press) instead of a > >>record. After that it works normally (short press = record on or off). > >>The first press of record on the front panel (after using the > footpedal) has > >>no effect at all. After that it works normally. Your problem, as I think you discovered, is that the Behringer pedal is only capable of controlling the EDP using notes, not continuous controller messages. You were only sending the "press", but not the "release". >I have a similar problem with my EDP/LOOP4. The first press of record, using >the EDP analog footpedal, creates a short loop as if set to "sustain rec", >even though it is set to "toggle rec". Sometimes it's working as it should, >but I don't dare to take chansces. So I always start my set by pressing the >"virtual rec" by midi from the Behringer FCB1010 and this workaround has >never let me down. sounds like the button might be dirty or otherwise going bad. try replacing it. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 17 22:06:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03522; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:05:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:05:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020818020520.37477.qmail@web12304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 19:05:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Product Endorsement To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200208171950.PAA30947@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Talking about the Jaco/Hartke connection: Now that you mention it, I remember some Hartke ads during the last couple years of Jaco's life, where he was playing, I think, a Guild bass!!! I find artist endorsements to be pretty funny anyway. Since about 84, I've been on the Carvin mailing list (despite having never bought anything from them) so I get a catalog every so often from them (once or twice a year, I suppose). The ones back in the day pictured a number of guitarists going on about their guitars. One in particular that stands out in my mind is a guy named Snowy White. Snowy played with Thin Lizzy for a couple years during the early 80's, and also toured with Pink Floyd in 77 and 80, as well as playing on the most recent Roger Waters tour (he also took part in the Berlin performance of The Wall). Apart from this posed shot (which looks like someone handed the guitar to him in the studio or in a dressing room, and snapped a photo) in this one Carvin catalog, the only times I've ever seen Snowy playing anything other than a battered old gold top Les Paul were a pair of Thin Lizzy videos! The one for Chinatown he's playing a Carvin (same model he's holding in the catalog photo) and in the Killer On The Loose video, he's playing a Yamaha (similiar one to what Carlos Santana played during the late 70's, but without all the fancy inlay). All the live footage and photos I've seen of Snowy playing with Pink Floyd or Roger Waters or Thin Lizzy or doing his solo stuff, it's always been that Gold Top (except when playing acoustic, of course). I'm not positive, but when I saw Roger Waters in 99, I think Snowy might have been playing a PRS on at least one song (I was a bit far back, so it was hard to see just what he was using), though he's still playing that old Gold Top in the DVD that Waters put out, and that was filmed a little less than a year after the show I saw, so I'm guessing he at least used the Les Paul for most of the show I saw (it is worth noting that on the DVD, it looks like he's got a PRS onstage with him, perhaps as a back up). And then you have guys like Neal Schon. Back in the early 80's, Aria Pro offered a Neal Schon model, which, as far as I can see, was basically one of the regular guitars (the name of which I'm not sure), but with a Floyd Rose tremolo and perhaps some other minor changes. Then, a few years later, I start seeing Gibson ads with him in them (which made more sense, because he always used Les Pauls more than anything else, going back to his days with Santana). Then, of course, around the time Journey did Raised On Radio, suddenly, Neal has his own guitar company, which folded after a couple years. And now, it seems he switches around between a lot of stuff. The last time he was interviewed in Guitar Player, it was mentioned that he had recorded his newest solo album with a custom guitar (the name of which I forgot), but uses a PRS onstage with Journey, and I think he mentioned he still plays Strats and Les Pauls sometimes. And don't get me started on that Dimebag Darrell guy from Pantera (who played Dean ML's all throughout the early part of Pantera's career, he was always interviewed saying how great they were, then suddenly, out of nowhere, just as Dean started to come back on the scene, he not only starts playing a Washburn guitar, but the new guitar was nearly identicaly the old Dean guitars) Interestingly enough, the two guitarists that I can think of who have shown the most loyalty, as it were, didn't really do those kind of ads. Brian May, of course, always had his home made guitar, the Red Special that he's throughout his entire professional career, and the only time I remember seeing him doing ANY kind of endorsement ads, apart from some ads for Superwound guitar strings, was when Guild first started building the reproductions of the Red Special (the ones with the Kahler tremolos on them) in the mid 80's. Now, Burns is offering a copy of The Red Special, and Brian is featured prominently on their website. And Jerry Garcia, from about 73 up until 93, used almost nothing but a trio of guitars built by a luthier named Doug Irwin. Jerry DID play a Travis Bean sometimes for a period of time during the mid 70's, mainly 76-77, but he eventually went back to playing his first Irwin (which he eventually set aside for a second one, which he played for about a decade, and was retired upon recieving the third Irwin guitar in 89). It was until a guy named Stephen Cripes (who unfortunately passed away not too long after Jerry) built a guitar and sent it to the Grateful Dead's business office as a gift in 93 that Jerry stopped using the Irwin guitars. The only time I saw Jerry in a guitar ad of any kind was in the early 90's, when he and Bob Weir both started using custom made Alvarez acoustics. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 18 00:56:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19360; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 00:55:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 00:55:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D5F27E9.C278D2BD@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 21:51:53 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Critique of Critique of Feedback at Max References: <200208131741.NAA14348@hemlock.violacea.com> <00f501c24327$9e0af920$e663f93f@global> <3D59F906.C770BD2C@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias Grob wrote: > But in my heart, yes, I think we really need to learn to live with > conscious fading. Its a mission, yes. It has to do with cleaning out, > not becoming attached, possesive... > Sure I want to be tolerant with the ones that dont agree, but I hate > revolutions and to avoid them, we have to be able to let older things > fade in peace to make space for all the new things to happen. If we > cut the old, the new has no base and is more likely to come out wrong. A beautiful sentiment, Matthias... and one very appropriate to this thread - and its many related tangents... whether on-list or otherwise. :) Best wishes to everyone, --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 18 02:37:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA29867; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 02:36:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 02:36:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.167.150.22] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: LD virus alert Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:35:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2002 06:35:04.0941 (UTC) FILETIME=[633C31D0:01C24681] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just got another virus-looking email from Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, with the title "Hi,mattdavignon,garden of delight" If it's not coming from Loopers-Delight itself, the sender knows how to disguise his email to look like it's coming from LD, and could be pulling our emails from LD archives. Either way, don't open it. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 18 03:18:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01443; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 03:15:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 03:15:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Sender: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: LD virus alert Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 00:14:38 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c24686$ef56cb80$6507f843@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com matt davignon wrote: >Just got another virus-looking email from >Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, with the title "Hi,mattdavignon,garden >of delight" >If it's not coming from Loopers-Delight itself, the sender knows how to >disguise his email to look like it's coming from LD, and could be pulling >our emails from LD archives. >Either way, don't open it. I was pretty worried for a while in recent history, unsure as to what was going on--lots of weird messages purporting to be from looper-folk. So I have been really cautious--and I have the size of email files listed in my Inbox (Microsoft Outlook--not Express). What I notice is that although the connection icon in the toolbar (and its associated display when double-clicked, "Connected to ISP") shows a large file being downloaded, when it appears in my Inbox, the size of these suspect files is 2K or so (sometimes with ominous messages!) So my virus protection is doing its job . . . And that would be my advice, get protection and update frequently! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 18 03:28:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02527; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 03:27:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 03:27:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Invsblmn3000@aol.com Message-ID: <195.b99166c.2a90a651@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 03:27:13 EDT Subject: A New Loop Gizmo @ Danelectro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, all... Just found a new gizmo; might be of interest to some on this mailing list. It's called Reel Echo; picture and link featured on the home page... www.danelectro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 18 05:56:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA22308; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 05:55:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 05:55:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 05:54:27 EDT Subject: Bruces FCB1010 and some MIDI tricks To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <_IQxO.A.qbF.272X9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Now that i've programmed the pedal twice it seems pretty straightforward! :-) > Except: > > 3) the footcontrollers (volume and feedback), though set up for a range of > 0-127, only yield about 26-127, according to the edp display and my > ears......and i have no idea what to do for that. > > Bruce > OK Bruce, sounds like you're pedals need recalibrating. So here's the recalibration procedure, it's not on the Behringer site. I found it best to use "not quite" the full range of the pedal when calibrating, as following the instructions exactly can give you a slightly reduced range. Behringer FCB1010 POST/recalibration HOWTO The original text is from Behringer support, posted to uk.music.guitar on 11th Dec 2001. I (Mike) have edited it a bit for clarity. Keep footswitches 1 and 3 pressed while switching on the unit (This bit you can't do standing up!). Release the switches when the display blanks. The LEDs on the footswitches, the ones on the display and each segment of the two numeric displays will turn on and off in sequence. Wait untill all footswitch LEDs are on. Depress all footswitches one at a time, including UP and DOWN, untill all LEDs are off. Wait untill relay switch test is finished. (There will be a couple of mechanical clicks, and the display will end up reading "F1" (at least, it did on mine)). [Also, if you have connected a MIDI cable between the MIDI in and out, the display will show "A1" before this, meaning the midi ports work correctly.] Press DOWN once. Adjust the left expression pedal (A) to the lowest value. Once adjusted press UP. Adjust the left expression pedal (A) to the highest value. Once adjusted press UP. Adjust the right expression pedal (B) to the lowest value. Once adjusted press UP. Adjust the right expression pedal (B) to the highest value. Once adjusted press UP. Select a patch which has both pedals set to their full range, and check the expression pedals now send 0-127 (0x00-0x7F) for fun Now you should set the FCB1010 pedals to control feedback & output vol, and use an analog pedal to control input vol. Set the Loop/Delay parameter to .InP. Now you can simulate all the EDP InterfaceModes with your feet. (apart from the Stutters) Placing your foot on both FCB1010 pedals gives you ReplaceMode. Working the FCB1010 feedback pedal opposite to the input pedal gives you FlipMode (easier sitting down) Change Loop/Delay to StutterMode Stu. Again put a foot across both FCB1010 pedals. Now you can get the stutters going and "sculpt" them with fade-in fade-out. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 18 07:15:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31876; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 07:14:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 07:14:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004701c246a8$307047b0$772693d4@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <200208131741.NAA14348@hemlock.violacea.com> <00f501c24327$9e0af920$e663f93f@global> <3.0.3.32.20020814140050.0089b100@mail.airmail.net> <1029357683.32640.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5.1.1.6.2.20020817172912.034c6ef0@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Decay rate and time Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:12:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim please read again I don't want to sacrify anything trust me, its just that conceptually if we want undo or indepedant control of _all_ the layers in any order we must somehow write them each in a separate memory and summ all those layers together for play back nothing would change for the user overdub would mean write to a new layer multiply would involve the creation of a longer layer for whats overduben but the other layers would just go on looping without being lenghted overdub with feedback reduced would mean fade out all or a selection of layers while writing to a new layer I dont see a difference for the listener undo would bring back the faded layers and mute the newly created layer. etc claude > At 10:43 AM 8/17/2002, Claude Voit wrote: > > > The idea to have the FB rate depending on the loop time to achieve an > > > absolute fading time has been arround for a while (also on this list?) > > > Technically it would not be complicated. We may have it in the > > > future, but I suspect it will not be perfectly usefull either... > > > -- > > > >at the point where Loop x.xx will finally be a multitracker (meaning each > >layer separate) > > why would you necessarily want that? I would rather have multi-tracks but > also the ability to layer things on one track just as it works now. The > layering concept from delays turns out to be such a simple to use and > elegant interface for making complex loops. The "track" interface from > recording studios gives more flexibility, but at the expense of a much more > complex user interface. > > >real feedback would be obsolete and replaced by layer volume > > to me, they are not the same concepts at all. How does one replace the > other? For me, the feedback+overdub combination very neatly and easily > accomplishes something that is really complicated to manage with multiple > tracks, for both the user and the system. I don't really see the point of > trying to replace one with the other. > > >and very limited undo per layer overdub (new layer) then short undo :mute > >of the new layer; long undo: erase and discard this last layer feedback > >reduction would then mean layer output volume fade out (virtual > >feedback) as we do not want the memory fill with undo layers while > >reducing feedback we could save a bunch of memory like that, for the sake > >of a maximum of seperate tracks. > > but I do want the memory to fill with previous versions as feedback changes > it. Then I can undo it to go backwards, which is interesting itself, but > especially interesting when combined with overdubbing. That gives a very > simple and intuitive way to evolve and unevolve a loop with just two > buttons and a knob and very little thinking required. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 18 11:34:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30680; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:33:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:33:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00af01c246cc$9d6f8780$6cb65e0c@u73x0> From: "Cino" To: References: Subject: Re: question for Mathias Grob,regarding pcm42 mod Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:33:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> I am not sure whether I understand this question... I dont think I >> calculated tempo bars with the HW mod... the 42s unique tempo >> definition did not work any more after my mod, since it was done in >> the processor which I took out :-( >> Thank you very much >> Um abraÇo >> maneco >> outro! > When I read things like this I feel like a Neanderthal > watching someone set the clock on a VCR. Talvez só seja o português! ;-) (Maybe it's just the Portuguese) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 18 12:32:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05383; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:32:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:32:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:31:52 -0700 Subject: Re: Decay rate and time Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <004701c246a8$307047b0$772693d4@black> Message-Id: <003C03FC-B2C8-11D6-8C32-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>> The idea to have the FB rate depending on the loop time to achieve an >>>> absolute fading time has been arround for a while (also on this >>>> list?) >>>> Technically it would not be complicated. We may have it in the >>>> future, but I suspect it will not be perfectly usefull either... >>>> -- >> I, for one, would find it pretty useful. Sometimes I want a short fade on a long loop. It's something I've learned to fake on the Repeater using track volume. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 18 12:47:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06929; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:47:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:47:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:46:57 -0700 Subject: SanFran Gig Spam: Sleeping does Tron@26mix Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, islandgoth-l@perkigoth.com To: devgaf-announce@gaijin.com From: Mark Sottilaro In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <1C2AC314-B2CA-11D6-8C32-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Sportsfans, With the help of my pal Rachel on devices, we'll attempt to rescore the classic Sci-Fi thriller: TRON. Yes, that's right, see all the dazzling effects and have to here NONE of the horrible dialog. That's a 100% reduction for you the consumer! WE PASS THE SAVINGS ON TO YOU! How do we do it? VOLUME VOLUME VOLUME. (it won't be very loud, but it's fun to say that three times) So come on out to 26Mix (for directions and more info go to http://www.26mix.com) this Monday night (8/19) for a night of ambi-groovic fun. We start at 10:00, and go to 11:00. We're fast forwarding to the part where he gets sucked into the computer, so don't be late. Marklar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 18 17:10:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23704; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:08:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:08:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c246fb$60aa3be0$bf615cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #282 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:07:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #282 August 15, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Hemisphere, a band from Germany known for dark electronic ambient excursions. The Featured CD at midnight was "Inversion" on the Groove label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Shadows of Light" by the Nightcrawlers on the Synkronos label. Hemisphere http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#aug PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm The NightCrawlers In a Distant Corridor Shadows of Light (Synkronos) The NightCrawlers Inerlude I Shadows of Light (Synkronos) The NightCrawlers Glimmer Shadows of Light (Synkronos) Rudy Adrian Kuiper Belt Starfields (Groove) Navigator The Journey Oceanic Empire (Groove) The Circular Ruins Echoes from Stone Part 2 Realm of Possibility (Databloem) Frank Van Bogaert Ballet Human (Groove) Rudy Adrian Space Border Partol Starfields (Groove) 12:00 am Hemisphere Psychodelic Friends Inversion (Groove) Create Hemisphere A New Point of View Inversion (Groove) Hemisphere The Inversion of Mind Inversion (Groove) Hemisphere It's a Way Shamans Go Inversion (Groove) Hemisphere Singing the Crazy Inversion (Groove) Hemisphere Song of Tranceformation Inversion (Groove) Hemisphere Looking Deep Inside Inversion (Groove) Hemisphere Tasting Nothingness Inversion (Groove) Hemisphere There is No Secret Inversion (Groove) Hemisphere Only Certitude That Inversion (Groove) Hemisphere Black and White Belongs Inversion (Groove) Together * 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Hemisphere. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Now" on the Groove label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Bhakti Point" by Richard Burmer on the Fortuna label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiy.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 18 17:38:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28873; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:37:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:37:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 23:36:50 +0200 Subject: Re: A New Loop Gizmo @ Danelectro Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--140196593 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <195.b99166c.2a90a651@aol.com> Message-Id: <9B2E41A6-B2F2-11D6-B87E-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-4--140196593 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Thanks for the tip! To quote the only technical specs I can find: Warble control to simulate the slight pitch deviation you get from any=20= =93driven tape=94 system. =95 Lo Fi control. Rolls off the high frequencies of each successive=20 repeat, just like tape does. =95 Tube/Solid State control. The old tube units of course had quite a=20= different sound than the solid state ones. You can choose either. =95 Up to 1.5 seconds of delay time. =95 Sound on Sound. Works just like the originals. Hit the =93Sound on=20= Sound=94 button and play on top of the lick you just recorded. Only 1.5 seconds.... but to be able to play around with all of those=20 knobs and buttons, then bouncing say a 4/4 bar into a bigger looper=20 box.... could be fun. I'm gonna check it out! On Sunday, August 18, 2002, at 09:27 AM, Invsblmn3000@aol.com wrote: > > Hey, all... > > Just found a new gizmo; might be of interest to some on this mailing=20= > list. > > It's called Reel Echo; picture and link featured on the home page... > > www.danelectro.com > > > -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com --Apple-Mail-4--140196593 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Thanks for the tip! To quote the only technical specs I can find: Arial8080,0000,0000 Warble control to simulate the slight pitch deviation you get from any =93driven tape=94 system.=20 =95 Lo Fi control. Rolls off the high frequencies of each successive repeat, just like tape does. =95 Tube/Solid State control. The old tube units of course had quite a different sound than the solid state ones. You can choose either. =95 Up to 1.5 seconds of delay time. =95 Sound on Sound. Works just like the originals. Hit the =93Sound on Sound=94 button and play on top of the lick you just = recorded. Only 1.5 seconds.... but to be able to play around with all of those knobs and buttons, then bouncing say a 4/4 bar into a bigger looper box.... could be fun. I'm gonna check it out! On Sunday, August 18, 2002, at 09:27 AM, Invsblmn3000@aol.com wrote: Hey, all... Just found a new gizmo; might be of interest to some on this mailing list. It's called Reel Echo; picture and link featured on the home page... www.danelectro.com --=20 Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com= --Apple-Mail-4--140196593-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 19 02:47:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12348; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:47:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:47:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c24719$c06e3e00$66effea9@oemcomputer> From: "Bruce Comens" To: References: Subject: Re: Bruces FCB1010 and some MIDI tricks Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:44:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <4OVxM.A.89C.uQJY9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Select a patch which has both pedals set to their full range, and check the > expression pedals now send 0-127 (0x00-0x7F) Works perfectly now! > > for fun > Now you should set the FCB1010 pedals to control feedback & output vol, > and use an analog pedal to control input vol. > Set the Loop/Delay parameter to .InP. > > Now you can simulate all the EDP InterfaceModes with your feet. > (apart from the Stutters) > Placing your foot on both FCB1010 pedals gives you ReplaceMode. > Working the FCB1010 feedback pedal opposite to the input pedal > gives you FlipMode (easier sitting down) Fun indeed--except for the input vol control, you can do this in loopmode too, no? Thanks again, bruce From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 19 07:24:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA30270; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:23:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:23:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020817145048.00839950@pop.earthlink.net> References: <3D59F906.C770BD2C@earthlink.net> <200208131741.NAA14348@hemlock.violacea.com> <00f501c24327$9e0af920$e663f93f@global> <3D59F906.C770BD2C@earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20020817145048.00839950@pop.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:25:40 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Critique of Critique of Feedback at Max Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -just my opinion of course, but I think there's alot more going >on in the original post than a discussion of feedback. -but, lol! since >we're on the subject of feedback and the DL-4 in particular, the CD I >recently did contains mostly older material which was completely done on a >DL-4 which evolves as any other fadable looper might allow for. part of >this comes from me, always adding new material along with the loop almost >constantly. -aside from soloing and such. I agree that the lack of >feedback control is a hinderence, and to me at least, a big annoyance, but >it still works wonderfully in my opinion. I love the little >thing!!! lol! > Anyway, I wish I could upload the two pieces I'm talking about somewhere, >but alas, until I come up with more webspace I cannot. -You'll >just have to trust me I guess. lol! nono, you can upload to my site, I was just lazy about it, but dont mail music to me, I will send you the FTP info... > Anyway, just my thoughts, and have a wonderful day!... > >Smiles, > >CQ Ok, once again I was speaking about things I dont understand, since I never tried a DL4! So I am happy to hear that its potential is better than the bible's ;-) And to leave it clearer maybe: The FB-evolution-dynamic thing is MY mission. So I keep talking about it an doing it. If yours is a different one, the better! Do that and I listen and learn from it! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 19 07:53:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31463; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:52:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:52:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jean Pierre Courjaud" To: Subject: Midi synchro for headrush,DL4 and others Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:52:09 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C24787.9CE055E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <200208190647.CAA12433@hemlock.violacea.com> Importance: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C24787.9CE055E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello with this list we can find many informations about differents loopers tools we can find on the market. With my friends we play with both acoustic instruments and electronic machines, so we absolutely need to have looer tools with midi synchronisation. Echoplex, Jamman and Repeater are equipment that are good solutions for our needs. But they are not easy to find in Europe or with a price that is far from our possibilities. and we don't always need all the possibilities these wonderfull toys could bring. So last winter I began a project: to transform my Headrush to be able to synchronise to midi clock. The first prototype was built and began to give satisfaction ...I have some little modifications to do to finish this project. I think other equipment like RC20, DOD D12, DL4 ... could be modified to become slave with midi clock in the same manner. ( on my proto I can set the number of measures I want to record, and when I press Record on the Headrush, the end of loop is automaticly set at the right place, according to tempo and midi clock.) My english being not very good, I hesitated to write something about that... But perhaps different people have already done those modifications and I will be glad to speak about that and perhaps other people that already have looper tools like Headrush will be happy to enhance them... all the best Jean Pierre ( Poitiers - France) ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C24787.9CE055E0 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef; name="winmail.dat" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="winmail.dat" eJ8+IgkLAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEGgAMADgAAANIHCAATAA0ANAAAAAEANgEB A5AGAJwIAAAkAAAACwACAAEAAAALACMAAAAAAAMAJgAAAAAACwApAAAAAAADAC4AAAAAAAMANgAA AAAAHgBwAAEAAAApAAAATWlkaSBzeW5jaHJvIGZvciBoZWFkcnVzaCxETDQgYW5kIG90aGVycwAA AAACAXEAAQAAABYAAAABwkd22OukxyEls3QR1oNMAKAkUUU6AAACAR0MAQAAABQAAABTTVRQOkpQ QFRSSUxPR0lDLkZSAAsAAQ4AAAAAQAAGDgCwgdN2R8IBAgEKDgEAAAAYAAAAAAAAAAwfN+2+IcER vqE28OQmqjvCgAAACwAfDgEAAAACAQkQAQAAAG4EAABqBAAAogYAAExaRnW1iJHhAwAKAHJjcGcx MjUWMgD4C2BuDhAwMzZPAfcCpAPjAgBjaArAc7BldDAgBxMCgH0KgNkIyCA7CW8OMDUCgAqBknYI kHdrC4BkNAxg9mMAUAsDYwBBC7YKsQqAOGhlbAkAFkQD8HRoZiAXcAQAIGwEAAVAd6hlIGMDkWYU sSADgSx5IAuAAhByAMB0aV8CIAQgAaAIYAVAZAaQZosEkAnwdBfRb29wBJD1BCB0G0BsBCAYSgIg F5FTGFAAwHJrETAuFkRX/RdibRkwA1AIkBTAG/MLUf8ZMBdTBuAXcQDQCGAYEA3g8xlBGBBydQeA GvIAcBjgfxawBZAg8AIgIJEAwRewbuEHkCwgc28YMgGgIxD1CkB0FrB5FkQiwAmAG6H6IBDwdhhQ GzEEkBumHiNmaRqAIwB5bhDgIhJzuxmzHaVFEOAbUCHQeCLwmEphbQOCIYJSZRtgjxmwJXEKwBhQ ZXF1BSDvISIXkRmwKdNnG0AY4COTrxnTGXEcwAhwICRycx2l3kIaUR0BGTAp4m4f8CGwnmEmoCSy GLMLgCBFCHBvG1EcwAXAF1NhHzAFEGN3GFAqwxfBZgrBA1Isc3DybwQQaWIDEBdgCJAtBishghhB ZAIgJyrxbHf/H2AEICRzB0ADIB0CMlsc8k8RIBgwAiAEgWZ1NTJv6zShIEFsGOBiBRAPIB2lvlMj IAtgGBILgCmiSR/QTGVnKOIwkW9qIeE6XySyIPAAcRlyHlJIKYBk/SEAcxeBIyA6EBoRIdAkspcm qD1DJkRjCQBjax2lflQdERiwERAFQDqRG7B0rnkv0TSABCBiKkBsKvHnGNE6FCTBZ2klEScyO5Dz ANAZwiAuQ3A58CTzIxD/B4AX4QJAPTEEYQaQDeAZtf8kwTQALtUEABeFOpUdpTnw+RehbmscwB0B BcAqKBfwGx1wB/BDAdAi8ERPROdKAA4gSfFMNENiN9ZEtu8klDoQBaBEMXMLYCURJgh/PuMvUh0C JzBEMQOBIsBy/R2lKBzCHmFAQznhGHIRId0c824hEDoQLGFmGPAukf8IcAeROfA0gCqSIyAJcAWh /mQi8DOTFqADoDnwMKAHkP8EIClQU4IcxjwmIvAdAh7B71HyGzIWRBfBYRpQA3EggZ8j8FEDKuEd AgUQZ2hAIXcLYDDQU8FjU4I4YTsTZW5tMlAhcz6ZKRZEFkRN2xkwCfBnF/EfwWVaki5S/SUQchkw K1Ii8EOhB5AXYPspkSSjdwUQI9BEA0gCWrB/GiQqwkNxXGotghthEPBw/wQgGodi0SgyJOQHQAlw PED/GTA0ATDiMmBEviGCUsEDEP8DIDzhXXA8QD1TKXFIQGEY/zM4YuZIZGQFKsRk1ST2G2HfG6VJ YzwnZzZjEXAuwwnw/xDwJsAw4lsQYb01JjoQGBHtXGpKKYADoFAIkSnxT9CMUG8y0huBLSBGO2H/ MNBcW1xlFZAWMUBRIeEL0hcU4BZTEeEAdxAAAB4AQhABAAAALQAAADwyMDAyMDgxOTA2NDcuQ0FB MTI0MzNAaGVtbG9jay52aW9sYWNlYS5jb20+AAAAAAsAAYAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAAOF AAAAAAAAAwADgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAEIUAAAAAAAADAAeACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAA RgAAAABShQAAfW4BAB4ACIAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAFSFAAABAAAABAAAADkuMAALAA2A CCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAACChQAAAQAAAAsAOoAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAA6FAAAA AAAAAwA8gAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAEYUAAAAAAAADAD2ACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAA AAAYhQAAAAAAAAsAUoAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAAaFAAAAAAAAAwBTgAggBgAAAAAAwAAA AAAAAEYAAAAAAYUAAAAAAAACAfgPAQAAABAAAAAMHzftviHBEb6hNvDkJqo7AgH6DwEAAAAQAAAA DB837b4hwRG+oTbw5CaqOwIB+w8BAAAAhQAAAAAAAAA4obsQBeUQGqG7CAArKlbCAABQU1RQUlgu RExMAAAAAAAAAABOSVRB+b+4AQCqADfZbgAAAEM6XFdJTkRPV1NcUGFyYW3odHJlcyBsb2NhdXhc QXBwbGljYXRpb24gRGF0YVxNaWNyb3NvZnRcT3V0bG9va1xvdXRsb29rLnBzdAAAAAADAP4PBQAA AAMADTT9NwAAAgF/AAEAAAAuAAAAPE1CQkJMT0tCREtPUE5ETUxCRUJLRUVORENOQUEuanBAdHJp bG9naWMuZnI+AAAAAwAGEGnMOucDAAcQZAQAAAMAEBAAAAAAAwAREAAAAAAeAAgQAQAAAGUAAABI RUxMT1dJVEhUSElTTElTVFdFQ0FORklORE1BTllJTkZPUk1BVElPTlNBQk9VVERJRkZFUkVOVFNM T09QRVJTVE9PTFNXRUNBTkZJTkRPTlRIRU1BUktFVFdJVEhNWUZSSUVOAAAAALxA ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C24787.9CE055E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 19 10:27:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09765; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:27:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:27:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Active Studio Monitors From: Jeffrey Lomas To: LD Mailing list Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8.99 Date: 19 Aug 2002 06:22:48 -0400 Message-Id: <1029752569.12214.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As a follow up to my original post, I picked up a pair of Event 20/20Bas speakers over the weekend (http://www.event1.com/product/monitors.htm#bas). I am happy with the sound quality and response. I'm using them in my 200 sqft music room for acoustic guitar. Since GuitarCenter getting rid of their demo stock I got to pick up the pair for less than $600. jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 19 13:15:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21524; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:13:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:13:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020819111417.007c2810@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:14:17 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Critique of Critique of Feedback at Max In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20020817145048.00839950@pop.earthlink.net> <3D59F906.C770BD2C@earthlink.net> <200208131741.NAA14348@hemlock.violacea.com> <00f501c24327$9e0af920$e663f93f@global> <3D59F906.C770BD2C@earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20020817145048.00839950@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey!, cool Beans! I'd love to upload a couple of mp3s or at least decent sized sections of them. Thanks for letting me know. Pleas, by all means, send me the ftp info if you'd like. Have a great day, and talk with ya soon... Smiles, CQ At 01:25 PM 8/19/02 +0200, you wrote: >> -just my opinion of course, but I think there's alot more going >>on in the original post than a discussion of feedback. -but, lol! since >>we're on the subject of feedback and the DL-4 in particular, the CD I >>recently did contains mostly older material which was completely done on a >>DL-4 which evolves as any other fadable looper might allow for. part of >>this comes from me, always adding new material along with the loop almost >>constantly. -aside from soloing and such. I agree that the lack of >>feedback control is a hinderence, and to me at least, a big annoyance, but >>it still works wonderfully in my opinion. I love the little >>thing!!! lol! >> Anyway, I wish I could upload the two pieces I'm talking about somewhere, >>but alas, until I come up with more webspace I cannot. -You'll >>just have to trust me I guess. lol! > >nono, you can upload to my site, I was just lazy about it, but dont >mail music to me, I will send you the FTP info... > >> Anyway, just my thoughts, and have a wonderful day!... >> >>Smiles, >> >>CQ > >Ok, once again I was speaking about things I dont understand, since I >never tried a DL4! >So I am happy to hear that its potential is better than the bible's ;-) > >And to leave it clearer maybe: >The FB-evolution-dynamic thing is MY mission. So I keep talking about >it an doing it. >If yours is a different one, the better! Do that and I listen and >learn from it! >-- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 19 13:29:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22525; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:28:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:28:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020819172801.32167.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:28:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Midi synchro for headrush,DL4 and others To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jean, Your english is fine. This is the first time I have seen someone do this midi clock sync modification to the headrush. I believe that many of us a loopers delight would be interested in learning more about how you did this. Please tell us more, and show us circuit diagrams if you can. bret --- Jean Pierre Courjaud wrote: > > hello > with this list we can find many informations about differents loopers > tools > we can find on the market. > With my friends we play with both acoustic instruments and electronic > machines, so we absolutely > need to have looer tools with midi synchronisation. > Echoplex, Jamman and Repeater are equipment that are good solutions > for our > needs. > But they are not easy to find in Europe or with a price that is far > from our > possibilities. > and we don't always need all the possibilities these wonderfull toys > could > bring. > So last winter I began a project: to transform my Headrush to be able > to > synchronise to midi clock. > The first prototype was built and began to give satisfaction ...I > have some > little modifications to do to finish this project. > I think other equipment like RC20, DOD D12, DL4 ... could be modified > to > become slave with midi clock in the same manner. > ( on my proto I can set the number of measures I want to record, and > when I > press Record on the Headrush, the end of loop > is automaticly set at the right place, according to tempo and midi > clock.) > > My english being not very good, I hesitated to write something about > that... > > But perhaps different people have already done those modifications > and I > will be glad to speak about that > and perhaps other people that already have looper tools like Headrush > will > be happy to enhance them... > > all the best > > Jean Pierre ( Poitiers - France) > > > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/ms-tnef name=winmail.dat __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 19 13:49:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23930; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:48:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:48:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: Subject: SanFran Bay Area Echoplex for sale Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:47:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2002 17:46:43.0620 (UTC) FILETIME=[61885E40:01C247A8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looks like a good price on an oberheim EDP here (some electrix gear too). This isn't me, I just came across it and I'm betting there's someone here interested: http://www.craigslist.org/sfo/sfc/muc/5126324.html Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 19 14:48:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28665; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:46:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:46:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:45:38 +0200 Subject: OT: New track - DL4, violin and bridge. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've just finished two weeks of solid playing underneath Pont Marie in Paris... its been a pretty mad time... and getting madder :) http://mapage.noos.fr/solostring3/Saturday_1-19.mp3 - A very rough 1st version mono mix of part of a performance from Saturday. All I used was a DL4 pedal and the electric violin - no other effects/backing tracks etc. etc. Its probably going to be selected for the Live at Paris Plage CD.... But I still have another 4 hours of recordings to listen to before I make a final decision. Using another recorder, I also recorded the performances using a stereo condenser mic. I'm going to eventually do a mix of the two discs, to create a good, genuine live sound. Anyway, off to bed. Need sleep. -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 19 15:19:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00536; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:18:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:18:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D6144F9.7F30118F@friendlyspider.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:24:22 -0500 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: New track - DL4, violin and bridge. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3Hjtc.A.YH.FSUY9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very cool, Wyatt.... You get a lot of mileage out of that DL4.... I didn't realize it gave you that much control. I was mucking around yesterday with my grandmother's old violin I inherited... (can rosin go bad ?) Man...I wish I could take a pill that equallled 20 years practicing ! (Remember me asking you about cellos ?) Oh well...I'm still very grateful I can play guitar.... I wonder if anyone has ever invented a guit-cello with guitar strings, compound radius and bridge like a cello, but with frets for us into-impaired...? -- gary @friendlyspider.com Stuart Wyatt wrote: > I've just finished two weeks of solid playing underneath Pont Marie in > Paris... its been a pretty mad time... and getting madder :) > > http://mapage.noos.fr/solostring3/Saturday_1-19.mp3 - A very rough 1st > version mono mix of part of a performance from Saturday. All I used was > a DL4 pedal and the electric violin..... > Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project > http://www.solostring.com > stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 19 15:24:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01452; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:22:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:22:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D614544.2070809@cabq.gov> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:21:40 -0600 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Subject: Re: SanFran Bay Area Echoplex for sale References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5wdNJD.A.lQ.sVUY9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EDP was already sold when I called. Those things go quick! -jas Albuquerque Jon Wagner wrote: >Looks like a good price on an oberheim EDP here (some electrix gear too). >This isn't me, I just came across it and I'm betting there's someone here >interested: > >http://www.craigslist.org/sfo/sfc/muc/5126324.html > >Jon > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 19 15:33:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02278; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:33:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:33:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:39:36 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: OT: New track - DL4, violin and bridge. To: gary@friendlyspider.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00dd01c247b8$26e21320$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3D6144F9.7F30118F@friendlyspider.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Phillips" > Very cool, Wyatt.... > You get a lot of mileage out of that DL4.... > I didn't realize it gave you that much control. > I was mucking around yesterday with my grandmother's > old violin I inherited... (can rosin go bad ?) > Man...I wish I could take a pill that equallled 20 years > practicing ! (Remember me asking you about cellos ?) > Oh well...I'm still very grateful I can play guitar.... > I wonder if anyone has ever invented a guit-cello with > guitar strings, compound radius and bridge like a cello, > but with frets for us into-impaired...? I think it's called the Viola da Gamba. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 19 19:56:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28802; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:47:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:47:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020819234606.46639.qmail@web10105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:46:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Sharing LoopMusic To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020819111417.007c2810@pop.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All, I just created a Yahoo group called 'LoopMusic'. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LoopMusic/ There are Photo and Files sections where you can upload images, or music files to share with the other members of this loopmusic group. We have only 20480 Kb of Files space there, so it would be good for short term sharing (depending on the activity level). Three is a limit of 5mb for each individual file. The files section is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LoopMusic/files/ There are also chat facilities, calenders, and polling. I have created a poll there asking 'Would you come to a loopfest in Boulder, Colorado, USA?' You too can create polls, or enter events in the calender (like gigs), or upload files. The poll is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LoopMusic/polls Please join this yahoo group if you are interested. To Post message: LoopMusic@yahoogroups.com To Subscribe: LoopMusic-subscribe@yahoogroups.com To Unsubscribe: LoopMusic-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com List owner: LoopMusic-owner@yahoogroups.com bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 19 22:37:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08896; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:35:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:35:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c247f2$32660640$69aa5e0c@u73x0> From: "Cino" To: References: <3D6144F9.7F30118F@friendlyspider.com> <00dd01c247b8$26e21320$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Re: OT: New track - DL4, violin and bridge. Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:35:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <3orZ6C.A.iKC.TraY9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary wrote: > > I wonder if anyone has ever invented a guit-cello with > > guitar strings, compound radius and bridge like a cello, > > but with frets for us into-impaired...? David responded: > I think it's called the Viola da Gamba. I believe there was also a rare hybrid instrument called the arpeggione (developed much later than the viola da gamba), which combined a guitar-shaped body, long fretted neck, and an arched bridge for bowing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 19 23:01:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11491; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:01:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:01:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:00:11 EDT Subject: more loopfests To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ca.fe3c5fe.2a930abb_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_ca.fe3c5fe.2a930abb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/19/02 7:47:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, echoplex@yahoo.com writes: > 'Would you come to a loopfest in Boulder, Colorado, > USA?' > > you bet!.....in fact, i got my very first passport today which i believe is good for 10 years so i can also freak out abroad.....when is this cololoop?.....with all the fires, floods, freakiness.....tempus fugit.....michael --part1_ca.fe3c5fe.2a930abb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/19/02 7:47:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, echoplex@yahoo.com writes:


'Would you come to a loopfest in Boulder, Colorado,
USA?' 



you bet!.....in fact, i got my very first passport today which i believe is good for 10 years so i can also freak out abroad.....when is this cololoop?.....with all the fires, floods, freakiness.....tempus fugit.....michael --part1_ca.fe3c5fe.2a930abb_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 19 23:16:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12396; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:15:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:15:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:15:56 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: more loopfests Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >In a message dated 8/19/02 7:47:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >echoplex@yahoo.com writes: > >>'Would you come to a loopfest in Boulder, Colorado, >>USA?' >> > > >you bet!.....in fact, i got my very first passport today which i >believe is good for 10 years so i can also freak out abroad.....when >is this cololoop?.....with all the fires, floods, >freakiness.....tempus fugit.....michael I don't know when it would be, but I hope it's at a time that is friendly to those of us that gig a lot (ie. not on a saturday night). Maybe we can even get a regular thing going at Penny Lane or some other venue. I used to do looping shows there, back when I had a life...... Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 01:26:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA21408; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:25:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:25:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020820052509.72631.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:25:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Messing with Tron To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200208190647.CAA12432@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> And what, may I ask is wrong with the Wendy Carlos score the movie already has? Or you going to simply play your own arrangements of the Carlos score (and the two Journey songs?) or are you doing something of your creation? As for the dialog, it isn't all that bad. It's no worse than any other Disney movie. It's not like watching your average Dolph Lundgren flick, for instance. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 02:05:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26996; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:05:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:05:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D61DC6E.3D7DCBB8@friendlyspider.com> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:07:37 -0500 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Messing with Tron References: <20020820052509.72631.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...and what's wrong with Dolph Lundgren ? (just looping) Just don't colorize Citizen Kane. -- gary @friendlyspider.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 02:33:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28501; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:33:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:33:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020820003258.00af3940@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:32:58 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: more loopfests In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've also thought about booking something at Fisk planetarium which would be great since we could incorporate visuals as well, in a very cool environment. Something like that would have to elicit a nominal fee though, since it costs a little money to rent the time. Penny Lane sounds like a good idea, or Tulaggie's EEK! I'm sure I've mangled the spelling! lol! Smiles, CQ At 09:15 PM 8/19/02 -0600, you wrote: >>In a message dated 8/19/02 7:47:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >>echoplex@yahoo.com writes: >> >>>'Would you come to a loopfest in Boulder, Colorado, >>>USA?' >>> >> >> >>you bet!.....in fact, i got my very first passport today which i >>believe is good for 10 years so i can also freak out abroad.....when >>is this cololoop?.....with all the fires, floods, >>freakiness.....tempus fugit.....michael > >I don't know when it would be, but I hope it's at a time that is >friendly to those of us that gig a lot (ie. not on a saturday night). > >Maybe we can even get a regular thing going at Penny Lane or some >other venue. I used to do looping shows there, back when I had a >life...... > >Edwin >-- > >Edwin Hurwitz >Boulder CO >http://www.indra.com/~edwin > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 02:37:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28808; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:36:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 02:36:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: c.jas@optusnet.com.au Message-Id: <200208200636.g7K6aGF19723@mail025.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.411 (Entity 5.404) To: "Loopers-Delight @ loopers-delight . com" Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:36:16 +1000 Subject: Any info on the new Yamaha looping pedal?? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I keep hearing things about some new Yamaha loop pedal, can anyone clear this up? I might wait to check it out, before i get another DL4. cam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 03:19:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31528; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 03:09:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 03:09:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c24818$8964e120$0101a8c0@o4z6b8> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <20020820052509.72631.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> <3D61DC6E.3D7DCBB8@friendlyspider.com> Subject: Re: Messing with Tron Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:09:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And what's wrong with being wrong? (joking) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Phillips" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 8:07 AM Subject: Re: Messing with Tron > ...and what's wrong with Dolph Lundgren ? > (just looping) > > > > Just don't colorize Citizen Kane. > -- > gary > @friendlyspider.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 07:41:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA28598; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:39:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:39:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c2480b$cabe3b60$66effea9@oemcomputer> From: "Bruce Comens" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020817172548.02f1ffc8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: EDP into amp feedback problem Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:42:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <4V8hVC.A.X-G.dpiY9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > that's pretty weird. sounds to me more like there is something wrong with > your amp. like the sort of thing that eventually results in you getting a > bad electrical shock. I switched the edp from 220V to 110 and ran it through the same transformer as the amp (which runs on 110), and now they get along just fine. I'm still feeling kinda nervous about it, though. And it's strange that the edp wasn't affected at all when i ran it from the amp's line out. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 07:56:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA29336; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:55:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:55:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: Looking for sound morphing software Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:54:59 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <000501c2480b$cabe3b60$66effea9@oemcomputer> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, We are looking for software to do morphing between two sound sources in the way Kyma does (but Kyma is of coulse too expensive). Do someone know about other alternatives? Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com Phone +46 (0)8 341181 Mobile +46 (0)70 4416713 ¨ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 10:54:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09726; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:53:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:53:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:53:07 -0700 Subject: Re: Messing with Tron Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020820052509.72631.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <89CF8E73-B44C-11D6-8C32-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, August 19, 2002, at 10:25 PM, Chris Richards wrote: > < we'll attempt to rescore the classic Sci-Fi thriller: > TRON. >> > > And what, may I ask is wrong with the Wendy > Carlos score the movie already has? Nothing at all, it's totally great. However, it's some sweet eye candy to show for those of us with little stage presence. > Or you going > to simply play your own arrangements of the > Carlos score (and the two Journey songs?) or are > you doing something of your creation? I have not forgiven Neil Schon since he let Steve Perry join the band... > As for the dialog, it isn't all that bad. It's no > worse than any other Disney movie. It's not like > watching your average Dolph Lundgren flick, for > instance. OK, here's where I can't agree with you more. Watching it as an adult was really hard. The dialog was far worse, IMO, than any other Disney movie I've ever seen, including Freaky Friday. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 11:04:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11554; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:04:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:04:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: OT: Messing with Tron Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:02:36 -0400 Message-ID: <000301c2485a$9fb1ee90$6445230a@melon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <89CF8E73-B44C-11D6-8C32-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oh i don't know, i might have almost thought about a chuckle a teeny bit when Flynn dropped the "Now that's a big door!" line. what a goofball! hehe he ... heh .. *ahem* >OK, here's where I can't agree with you more. Watching it as an adult >was really hard. The dialog was far worse, IMO, than any other Disney >movie I've ever seen, including Freaky Friday. > >Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 11:26:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13786; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:26:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:26:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c2485d$f38a9820$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <89CF8E73-B44C-11D6-8C32-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Messing with Tron Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:25:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 15:53 PM Subject: Re: Messing with Tron > On Monday, August 19, 2002, at 10:25 PM, Chris Richards wrote: > > > < > we'll attempt to rescore the classic Sci-Fi thriller: > > TRON. >> > > > > And what, may I ask is wrong with the Wendy > > Carlos score the movie already has? > > Nothing at all, it's totally great. However, it's some sweet eye candy > to show for those of us with little stage presence. > > > Or you going > > to simply play your own arrangements of the > > Carlos score (and the two Journey songs?) or are > > you doing something of your creation? > > I have not forgiven Neil Schon since he let Steve Perry join the band... Was that somewhere round 76-77 by any chance? I went to see Journey with Starcastle opening up for them at the old Palladium in NYC in 77 - going mainly for Starcastle actually (great light show, by the way) - and walked out after 20 minutes of Journey's set. It was a roar that changed pitch, and not much else. I remember thinking of their set as not much more than sonic masturbation. I liked Mouse/Griffin's covers though. Hell, in comparison, I enjoyed DNA more. :) Stephen P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Free Loop of the Week! http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack.html - More Cartoons! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 11:36:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14925; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:34:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:34:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <92140A6CB1347643A9B7E1988B65BD8B02B6EF0C@MAIL1.icc.state.il.us> From: "Simonson, Kevin" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Messing with Tron - journey - edp. Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:33:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw Journey two years ago with the new Steve Perry clone (Steve Augeri, if memory serves), and it was a tolerable show - basically a top-40 sing-a-long. Strangely, the most annoying part of the show was Neil Schon's solo bit, which was the most horrid bucket of wank-guitar-spooge I've ever heard. Most of his involvement with the tunes was similar, as though he were parodying the whole event. I was hoping for something cool, dare I say using the EDP, but no such luck... Of course, it was at a State Fair and I was having a migraine, so my perceptions may have been clouded by bright lights, loud music, the local television news team dancing in haltingly jerky styles next to me, and the smell of fried-everything-on-a-stick. He is an EDP owner/user, right? -K -----Original Message----- From: Stephen P. Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 10:25 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Messing with Tron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 15:53 PM Subject: Re: Messing with Tron > On Monday, August 19, 2002, at 10:25 PM, Chris Richards wrote: > > > < > we'll attempt to rescore the classic Sci-Fi thriller: > > TRON. >> > > > > And what, may I ask is wrong with the Wendy > > Carlos score the movie already has? > > Nothing at all, it's totally great. However, it's some sweet eye candy > to show for those of us with little stage presence. > > > Or you going > > to simply play your own arrangements of the > > Carlos score (and the two Journey songs?) or are > > you doing something of your creation? > > I have not forgiven Neil Schon since he let Steve Perry join the band... Was that somewhere round 76-77 by any chance? I went to see Journey with Starcastle opening up for them at the old Palladium in NYC in 77 - going mainly for Starcastle actually (great light show, by the way) - and walked out after 20 minutes of Journey's set. It was a roar that changed pitch, and not much else. I remember thinking of their set as not much more than sonic masturbation. I liked Mouse/Griffin's covers though. Hell, in comparison, I enjoyed DNA more. :) Stephen P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Free Loop of the Week! http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack.html - More Cartoons! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 12:06:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17749; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:06:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:06:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020820160538.26214.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:05:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: more loopfests To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No date nor venue has been established. We are seeing how much interest there is, and how many loopers we have locally and how many would travel here. Thanks for the response! Boulder is a beautiful place. bret --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/19/02 7:47:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > echoplex@yahoo.com writes: > > > > 'Would you come to a loopfest in Boulder, Colorado, > > USA?' > > > > > > you bet!.....in fact, i got my very first passport today which i > believe is > good for 10 years so i can also freak out abroad.....when is this > cololoop?.....with all the fires, floods, freakiness.....tempus > fugit.....michael > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 12:13:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18270; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:12:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:12:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: more loopfests From: Jeffrey Lomas To: LD Mailing list In-Reply-To: <20020820160538.26214.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020820160538.26214.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8.99 Date: 20 Aug 2002 08:08:18 -0400 Message-Id: <1029845298.1572.46.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com While I will agree that Boulder is a pretty town, it is not Boston :P. Anyone else between Boston, NYC, and Philly think it would be a good idea to do a fest up this way? How bout we get permits for all of the outdoor playing spots in Harvard Square and see if we can turn some people onfor a day or two? I'm sure we could get local traction in the Globe and Pheonix. Jeff On Tue, 2002-08-20 at 12:05, Bret wrote: > No date nor venue has been established. We are seeing how much > interest there is, and how many loopers we have locally and how many > would travel here. > Thanks for the response! Boulder is a beautiful place. > bret > --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/19/02 7:47:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > echoplex@yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > > 'Would you come to a loopfest in Boulder, Colorado, > > > USA?' > > > > > > > > > > you bet!.....in fact, i got my very first passport today which i > > believe is > > good for 10 years so i can also freak out abroad.....when is this > > cololoop?.....with all the fires, floods, freakiness.....tempus > > fugit.....michael > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 12:14:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18389; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:13:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:13:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020820091343.02298dc8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:15:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Messing with Tron - journey - edp. In-Reply-To: <92140A6CB1347643A9B7E1988B65BD8B02B6EF0C@MAIL1.icc.state.i l.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <1TjlBD.A.-dE.bqmY9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:33 AM 8/20/2002, Simonson, Kevin wrote: > Neal Schon > >He is an EDP owner/user, right? yes. He had five of them last I knew. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 12:15:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18546; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:15:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:15:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:23:10 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: more loopfests To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00e101c24865$e0265320$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020820160538.26214.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> <1029845298.1572.46.camel@localhost.localdomain> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Lomas" To: "LD Mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 8:08 AM Subject: Re: more loopfests > While I will agree that Boulder is a pretty town, it is not Boston :P. > > Anyone else between Boston, NYC, and Philly think it would be a good > idea to do a fest up this way? Where are you again? * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley How bout we get permits for all of the > outdoor playing spots in Harvard Square and see if we can turn some > people onfor a day or two? I'm sure we could get local traction in the > Globe and Pheonix. > > Jeff > > On Tue, 2002-08-20 at 12:05, Bret wrote: > > No date nor venue has been established. We are seeing how much > > interest there is, and how many loopers we have locally and how many > > would travel here. > > Thanks for the response! Boulder is a beautiful place. > > bret > > --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 8/19/02 7:47:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > > echoplex@yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > 'Would you come to a loopfest in Boulder, Colorado, > > > > USA?' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you bet!.....in fact, i got my very first passport today which i > > > believe is > > > good for 10 years so i can also freak out abroad.....when is this > > > cololoop?.....with all the fires, floods, freakiness.....tempus > > > fugit.....michael > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > > http://www.hotjobs.com > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 12:28:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19332; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:27:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:27:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1029845298.1572.46.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20020820160538.26214.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> <1029845298.1572.46.camel@localhost.localdomain> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:21:32 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: more loopfests Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >While I will agree that Boulder is a pretty town, it is not Boston :P. > >Anyone else between Boston, NYC, and Philly think it would be a good >idea to do a fest up this way? How bout we get permits for all of the >outdoor playing spots in Harvard Square and see if we can turn some >people onfor a day or two? I'm sure we could get local traction in the >Globe and Pheonix. > >Jeff > I can just imagine Harvard Square infested with loopers each having their own 1/4" tape machine and one long loop of tape threading its way through the square with each looper adding a little more to it as it goes by.............. Edwin Ex-Bostonian who spent many a summer playing in the square. -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 12:28:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19413; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:28:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:28:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: more loopfests From: Jeffrey Lomas To: LD Mailing list In-Reply-To: <00e101c24865$e0265320$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> References: <20020820160538.26214.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> <1029845298.1572.46.camel@localhost.localdomain> <00e101c24865$e0265320$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8.99 Date: 20 Aug 2002 08:22:15 -0400 Message-Id: <1029846136.1443.55.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm in Boston. On Tue, 2002-08-20 at 12:23, David Beardsley wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeffrey Lomas" > To: "LD Mailing list" > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 8:08 AM > Subject: Re: more loopfests > > > > While I will agree that Boulder is a pretty town, it is not Boston :P. > > > > Anyone else between Boston, NYC, and Philly think it would be a good > > idea to do a fest up this way? > > Where are you again? > > * David Beardsley > * http://biink.com > * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley > > > How bout we get permits for all of the > > outdoor playing spots in Harvard Square and see if we can turn some > > people onfor a day or two? I'm sure we could get local traction in the > > Globe and Pheonix. > > > > Jeff > > > > On Tue, 2002-08-20 at 12:05, Bret wrote: > > > No date nor venue has been established. We are seeing how much > > > interest there is, and how many loopers we have locally and how many > > > would travel here. > > > Thanks for the response! Boulder is a beautiful place. > > > bret > > > --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 8/19/02 7:47:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > > > echoplex@yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Would you come to a loopfest in Boulder, Colorado, > > > > > USA?' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you bet!.....in fact, i got my very first passport today which i > > > > believe is > > > > good for 10 years so i can also freak out abroad.....when is this > > > > cololoop?.....with all the fires, floods, freakiness.....tempus > > > > fugit.....michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > > > http://www.hotjobs.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 12:29:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19585; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:28:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:28:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: more loopfests Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:27:42 -0400 Message-ID: <000601c24866$82c7ee40$6445230a@melon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1029845298.1572.46.camel@localhost.localdomain> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm in boston, and would love to participate (although i know nothing about permits or the like ...) i know emile tobenfeld is on the list and has schedule looping performances around boston. any thoughts/suggestions emile? mike -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Lomas [mailto:jeff.lomas@oasis-open.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 8:08 AM To: LD Mailing list Subject: Re: more loopfests While I will agree that Boulder is a pretty town, it is not Boston :P. Anyone else between Boston, NYC, and Philly think it would be a good idea to do a fest up this way? How bout we get permits for all of the outdoor playing spots in Harvard Square and see if we can turn some people onfor a day or two? I'm sure we could get local traction in the Globe and Pheonix. Jeff On Tue, 2002-08-20 at 12:05, Bret wrote: > No date nor venue has been established. We are seeing how much > interest there is, and how many loopers we have locally and how many > would travel here. > Thanks for the response! Boulder is a beautiful place. > bret > --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/19/02 7:47:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > echoplex@yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > > 'Would you come to a loopfest in Boulder, Colorado, > > > USA?' > > > > > > > > > > you bet!.....in fact, i got my very first passport today which i > > believe is > > good for 10 years so i can also freak out abroad.....when is this > > cololoop?.....with all the fires, floods, freakiness.....tempus > > fugit.....michael > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 12:37:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20114; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:37:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:37:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020820103807.008487d0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:38:07 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: OT: Steve Perry -was- Re: Messing with Tron In-Reply-To: <89CF8E73-B44C-11D6-8C32-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: <20020820052509.72631.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <4K7HLB.A.05E.jAnY9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark declared, I have not forgiven Neil Schon since he let Steve Perry join the band... Hey! Steve Perry was a hottie!!! -Leave him alone!!! lollollol! Smiles, CQ --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 12:41:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20433; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:40:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:40:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D6270C5.2C94DDE9@pa.msu.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:39:33 -0400 From: John McIntyre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Journey References: <89CF8E73-B44C-11D6-8C32-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <001101c2485d$f38a9820$0201a8c0@eluk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Stephen P. Goodman" wrote: > > > Or you going > > > to simply play your own arrangements of the > > > Carlos score (and the two Journey songs?) or are > > > you doing something of your creation? > > > > I have not forgiven Neil Schon since he let Steve Perry join the band... > > Was that somewhere round 76-77 by any chance? I went to see Journey with > Starcastle opening up for them at the old Palladium in NYC in 77 - going > mainly for Starcastle actually (great light show, by the way) - and walked > out after 20 minutes of Journey's set. It was a roar that changed pitch, > and not much else. I remember thinking of their set as not much more than > sonic masturbation. I liked Mouse/Griffin's covers though. The tour with Starcastle was the original Journey before Steve Perry. I quite enjoyed both bands. Err, Starcastle and Journey; not both versions of Journey. Although I did enjoy (albeit not as much) the Perry-less version of Journey that I saw last month. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 12:52:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20955; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:51:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:51:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: Looking for sound morphing software Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:50:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2002 16:50:34.0307 (UTC) FILETIME=[B3ADC130:01C24869] Resent-Message-ID: <4AXgpB.A.NHF.5NnY9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sonic Foundry's Acoustic Mirror DX plugin does convolving. I'm not sure if that helps. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 4:54 AM Subject: Looking for sound morphing software > Hi, > > We are looking for software to do morphing between two sound sources in the > way Kyma does (but Kyma is of coulse too expensive). Do someone know about > other alternatives? > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > __________________________________ > www.boysen.se > www.fuzz.se > www.upsweden.com > Phone +46 (0)8 341181 > Mobile +46 (0)70 4416713 > ¨ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 13:00:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22546; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:59:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:59:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c2486b$17e0bc60$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <89CF8E73-B44C-11D6-8C32-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <001101c2485d$f38a9820$0201a8c0@eluk> <3D6270C5.2C94DDE9@pa.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Journey Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:00:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "John McIntyre" put forth: > "Stephen P. Goodman" wrote: > > > > > Or you going > > > > to simply play your own arrangements of the > > > > Carlos score (and the two Journey songs?) or are > > > > you doing something of your creation? > > > > > > I have not forgiven Neil Schon since he let Steve Perry join the band... > > > > Was that somewhere round 76-77 by any chance? I went to see Journey with > > Starcastle opening up for them at the old Palladium in NYC in 77 - going > > mainly for Starcastle actually (great light show, by the way) - and walked > > out after 20 minutes of Journey's set. It was a roar that changed pitch, > > and not much else. I remember thinking of their set as not much more than > > sonic masturbation. I liked Mouse/Griffin's covers though. > > The tour with Starcastle was the original Journey before Steve Perry. I quite > enjoyed both bands. Err, Starcastle and Journey; not both versions of > Journey. > Although I did enjoy (albeit not as much) the Perry-less version of Journey > that I saw last month. Starcastle was really promising for a bit - Yes was on a kind of hiatus I think, between "Relayer" and "Going for the One", with some folks talking about them breaking up or reforming or something, and the NY press at the time implied that Starcastle was the "next Yes". Their show was indeed impressive, but of course they didn't have that great Roger Dean stage setup... and I suspect the members of Strawbs, Gentle Giant and so forth probably had a good laugh at the idea. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 13:06:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22887; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:04:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:04:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:12:40 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: more loopfests To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001a01c2486c$cab19a20$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020820160538.26214.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> <1029845298.1572.46.camel@localhost.localdomain> <00e101c24865$e0265320$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> <1029846136.1443.55.camel@localhost.localdomain> Resent-Message-ID: <-eU6qD.A.flF.ManY9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Lomas" > I'm in Boston. I'm in Jersey, but I would drive up to participate, if it happened on a weekend. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley > On Tue, 2002-08-20 at 12:23, David Beardsley wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jeffrey Lomas" > > To: "LD Mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 8:08 AM > > Subject: Re: more loopfests > > > > > > > While I will agree that Boulder is a pretty town, it is not Boston :P. > > > > > > Anyone else between Boston, NYC, and Philly think it would be a good > > > idea to do a fest up this way? > > > > Where are you again? > > > > * David Beardsley > > * http://biink.com > > * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley > > > > > > How bout we get permits for all of the > > > outdoor playing spots in Harvard Square and see if we can turn some > > > people onfor a day or two? I'm sure we could get local traction in the > > > Globe and Pheonix. > > > > > > Jeff > > > > > > On Tue, 2002-08-20 at 12:05, Bret wrote: > > > > No date nor venue has been established. We are seeing how much > > > > interest there is, and how many loopers we have locally and how many > > > > would travel here. > > > > Thanks for the response! Boulder is a beautiful place. > > > > bret > > > > --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 8/19/02 7:47:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > > > > echoplex@yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Would you come to a loopfest in Boulder, Colorado, > > > > > > USA?' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you bet!.....in fact, i got my very first passport today which i > > > > > believe is > > > > > good for 10 years so i can also freak out abroad.....when is this > > > > > cololoop?.....with all the fires, floods, freakiness.....tempus > > > > > fugit.....michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > > > > http://www.hotjobs.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 13:16:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23375; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:14:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:14:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.182] From: "one less than none" To: References: <20020817223842.15649.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: thin cc / volume pedals ? Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:11:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C24875.07EF6C20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2002 17:13:41.0920 (UTC) FILETIME=[EEC2B200:01C2486C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C24875.07EF6C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > yep those Yamaha's are big! check out RFX's 402/P > stereo, they do cv and cc for midi 2 1/2 inches. >=20 > best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 what dimension is 2.5" ???? i looked at the manual on the website [for the RFX402/p] and it listed = the dimensions as 6.5" X 3.5" x 1.7". i presumed that was L x W x H --- one less than none wrote: strange question i know but as my pealboard grows i need to find out ... what is the smallest volume CC pedal i can get ? thinner is better, the thinest i have is a boss fv-50, my yamaha pedals are huge ! any help will be gratefully receieved David Swain d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C24875.07EF6C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> yep those Yamaha's are big! check out RFX's = 402/P
>=20 stereo, they do cv and cc for midi 2 1/2 inches.
>
> best = regards,=20 Pedro Felix - NYC 2002
 
what dimension is 2.5" = ????
 
i looked at the manual on the website = [for the=20 RFX402/p] and it listed the dimensions as 6.5" X 3.5" x = 1.7".
i presumed that was L x W x = H
 
 

--- one less than none <onelessthannone@hotmail.com>
wrote:
strange question i know but as my pealboard = grows=20 i
need to find out ...
what is the smallest volume CC pedal  = i can=20 get ?
thinner is better, the thinest i have is a boss
fv-50, my = yamaha=20 pedals are huge !

any help will be gratefully = receieved
David Swain
d.swain@blueyonder.co.uk
www.onelessthannone.co.uk
------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C24875.07EF6C20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 13:18:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23583; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:17:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:17:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: Looking for sound morphing software Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:16:38 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c2486d$5879d610$6445230a@melon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com as does Cool Edit Pro (thanks for pointing that out Rick! ;-) and a free program called Hog. however, i believe that both of these are non-real time. mike -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan El-Bizri [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 12:51 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looking for sound morphing software Sonic Foundry's Acoustic Mirror DX plugin does convolving. I'm not sure if that helps. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 4:54 AM Subject: Looking for sound morphing software > Hi, > > We are looking for software to do morphing between two sound sources in the > way Kyma does (but Kyma is of coulse too expensive). Do someone know about > other alternatives? > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > __________________________________ > www.boysen.se > www.fuzz.se > www.upsweden.com > Phone +46 (0)8 341181 > Mobile +46 (0)70 4416713 > ¨ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 14:40:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29486; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:39:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:39:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "mamaSutra" To: Subject: mamaSutra and Melvin Seals Melting Pot - Friday, August 23rd Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:36:28 -0700 Organization: mamaSutra Message-ID: <018e01c24878$805402e0$6d00a8c0@thedude> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000801c2486d$5879d610$6445230a@melon> Resent-Message-ID: <5GRieD.A.gMH.czoY9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This guitar/sax player uses a VG-88, Repeater and Boomerang for guitar and a GT-5 for sax. All you LA loopers should check this out... mamaSutra and Melvin Seals Melting Pot - Friday, August 23rd Knitting Factory West 7021 Hollywood Blvd. Los Angeles, CA 90028 Phone: 323.463.0204 tix: http://www.virtuous.com/search/events_venue.php?venueid=KFLA7 mamaSutra was just featured in Relix Magazine for the second time this year... "mamaSutra - A Los Angeles-based band that features another dynamite female vocalist in Molly Boyles. MamaSutra creates hard-edged and versatile funk-rock groove, weaving different colors and textures into their sound through loops, effects and instruments such as the didgeridoo. They really do offer, as their motto says, 'a whole new way to funk.' " Relix Magazine - On The Verge Editors Picks of the Year - August 2002 And, of course you all know Melvin Seals, formerly of Jerry Garcia Band... Melvin at :10pm mamaSutra at 11:30 http://www.mamasutra.com http://jambase.com/search.asp?input=band&searchstr=mamasutra Hope to see some of you there! Peace Possum From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 15:09:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32720; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:08:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:08:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011501c2487c$f9b15c10$0200a8c0@ken> Reply-To: "Ken Melhus" From: "Ken Melhus" To: Subject: Repeaters Anywhere? Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:08:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0110_01C24842.4BE22B30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2002 19:04:06.0950 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B960C60:01C2487C] Resent-Message-ID: <1MOv6.A.M-H.OOpY9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0110_01C24842.4BE22B30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey, Anyone know of anyplace that has repeaters left for sale? Thanks, ken melhus ------=_NextPart_000_0110_01C24842.4BE22B30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey,
 
Anyone know of anyplace that has = repeaters left for=20 sale?
 
Thanks,
 
ken melhus
------=_NextPart_000_0110_01C24842.4BE22B30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 17:45:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11719; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:45:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:45:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020820214426.34927.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:44:26 -0700 (PDT) From: SRice Subject: Repeater crashes hard To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Last night I was experimenting with the stereo record function and got a nasty failure. First I recorded track 1&2, no problem. Then I tried to record 3&4, but got the CFC slowness error. This is the first time my 128 MB Simple Tech card has had a problem. I tried a few more times, via my fcb1010 pedal, and SCREECH- horrible electronic noise and the 'peater went black. After staring in shock, I cycled the power and it came back up. Tracks 1&2 were even there, but not the alien attack sounds on 3&4. First thought that some component in the chain blew up, but everything was fine. Has anyone else seen this, or is it just my unit? Or, is it my music? Yours in rhythm, Steve PS: Kim, stop laughing! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 17:58:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12720; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:57:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:57:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c24894$79feda20$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <20020820214426.34927.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Repeater crashes hard Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:56:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I get full and instant reboot under different circumstances. (related to copy functions) The Rptr "feels" like a computer in this sense- but instead of a "blue screen of death" it is black. It seems unable to handle certain errors gracefully- and I suspect it is entirely related to the fact that your particular card doesent like recording stereo audio files on the fly and and not to a damaged or malfuntioning Rptr. Can you record stereo loops with the factory supplied card? Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "SRice" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 2:44 PM Subject: Repeater crashes hard > Last night I was experimenting with the stereo record > function and got a nasty failure. > > First I recorded track 1&2, no problem. Then I tried > to record 3&4, but got the CFC slowness error. This > is the first time my 128 MB Simple Tech card has had > a problem. > > I tried a few more times, via my fcb1010 pedal, and > SCREECH- horrible electronic noise and the 'peater > went black. After staring in shock, I cycled the > power and it came back up. Tracks 1&2 were even > there, but not the alien attack sounds on 3&4. > First thought that some component in the chain blew > up, but everything was fine. > > Has anyone else seen this, or is it just my unit? > Or, is it my music? > > Yours in rhythm, > Steve > > PS: Kim, stop laughing! > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 19:16:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19776; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:15:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:15:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003a01c248a0$441fd7e0$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" , References: <20020820153255.15912.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Aiden Baker - halcyon, brooklyn: aug 25 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:21:09 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com New Yorkers - don't miss this artist. Aiden has played at The Ambient Ping many times and he just keeps getting better and better. I've seen/heard him creating beautiful deep ambient loops, experimental noise and groove interactions and I know he goes into other musical territories in other venues. Always a good musical and sonic experience. (and a nice guy - so say 'hi'.) Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > Hello all -- > > Aidan Baker, Toronto experimental/ambient guitarist, > Sun Aug 25th at Halcyon, 227 Smith St (between Butler > & Douglass, F or G trains to Bergen Street), Brooklyn, > NY. Presented by Deep Unda Brooklyn, 8pm, free. > > http://dub.supa.com > http://listen.to/aidan > > "Baker's from the Fripp/Eno school of making guitars > sound like anything but guitars, and he's particularly > inclined toward slow-motion drones that ring and > shimmer in trancelike fashion...The interesting thing > about Baker's sound is that it is so minimal in its > construction, yet so ambiguous in the nature of the > sounds, that it creates something akin to an audio > Rorschach -- you can project your own meaning an > interpretation onto these soundscapes without much > difficulty." > > Dead Angel - www.monotremata.com/dead > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 19:36:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21030; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:36:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:36:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:42:24 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: [the_ambient_way] Re: Aiden Baker - halcyon, brooklyn: aug 25 To: the_ambient_way@yahoogroups.com, Loopers Delight , "Ambient@hyperreal" Message-id: <000b01c248a3$3f82c8c0$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020820153255.15912.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> <003a01c248a0$441fd7e0$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd like to go but family matters prevent me. Sounds interesting. I wouldn't mind playing Ambient Ping someday....I've done Undercity @ Halcyon (a photo on my web site was taken there) a few times and other gigs around the left and right coasts * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: "Loopers Delight" ; "Ambient@hyperreal" ; Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 7:21 PM Subject: [the_ambient_way] Re: Aiden Baker - halcyon, brooklyn: aug 25 > New Yorkers - don't miss this artist. Aiden has played > at The Ambient Ping many times and he just keeps > getting better and better. I've seen/heard him creating > beautiful deep ambient loops, experimental noise and > groove interactions and I know he goes into other > musical territories in other venues. Always a good > musical and sonic experience. (and a nice guy - > so say 'hi'.) > > Cheers, > Scott M2 > > http://www.dreamSTATE.to > ambientelectronicsoundscapes > http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > > > > Hello all -- > > > > Aidan Baker, Toronto experimental/ambient guitarist, > > Sun Aug 25th at Halcyon, 227 Smith St (between Butler > > & Douglass, F or G trains to Bergen Street), Brooklyn, > > NY. Presented by Deep Unda Brooklyn, 8pm, free. > > > > http://dub.supa.com > > http://listen.to/aidan > > > > "Baker's from the Fripp/Eno school of making guitars > > sound like anything but guitars, and he's particularly > > inclined toward slow-motion drones that ring and > > shimmer in trancelike fashion...The interesting thing > > about Baker's sound is that it is so minimal in its > > construction, yet so ambiguous in the nature of the > > sounds, that it creates something akin to an audio > > Rorschach -- you can project your own meaning an > > interpretation onto these soundscapes without much > > difficulty." > > > > Dead Angel - www.monotremata.com/dead > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 19:41:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21652; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:40:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:40:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <17e.d0a5223.2a942d43@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:39:47 EDT Subject: 1-in, 7-out signal routing system To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_17e.d0a5223.2a942d43_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_17e.d0a5223.2a942d43_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit just saw this today in guitar player.....sorry if this had already been mentioned.....Click here: Radial Engineering --part1_17e.d0a5223.2a942d43_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit just saw this today in guitar player.....sorry if this had already been mentioned.....Click here: Radial Engineering --part1_17e.d0a5223.2a942d43_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 20:17:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24728; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:16:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:16:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c248a7$d0eb1200$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" References: <20020820153255.15912.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> <003a01c248a0$441fd7e0$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> <000b01c248a3$3f82c8c0$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [the_ambient_way] Re: Aiden Baker - halcyon, brooklyn: aug 25 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:15:11 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'd like to go but family matters prevent me. Sounds interesting. > I wouldn't mind playing Ambient Ping someday....I've done Undercity @ > Halcyon > (a photo on my web site was taken there) a few times and other gigs around > the left and right coasts > > * David Beardsley > * http://biink.com > * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley I've heard some of your mp3s before David and you'd be very welcome at the Ping. The main slowdown (other than crossing the border) is just that I'm usually booking half a year in advance. Pick a Tuesday in 2003 and send me an e-mail offlist(s) at pingbookings@dreamstate.to Another NY guitarist (OK - Warr guitarist) called "open" is playing here in September. He's quite ambient. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 20:22:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25187; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:22:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:22:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D62DD11.318737E4@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:21:36 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Messing with Tron - journey - edp. References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020820091343.02298dc8@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4zCJ7B.A.FJG.c0tY9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And did buy out the entire stock of foot controllers from Banana's at Large the week before I bought mine there. Mark Sottilaro Kim Flint wrote: > At 08:33 AM 8/20/2002, Simonson, Kevin wrote: > > Neal Schon > > > >He is an EDP owner/user, right? > > yes. He had five of them last I knew. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 21:07:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29142; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:07:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:07:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:06:31 -0700 Subject: fs: digitech echoplus $150 From: Ryan Blum To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7fBm7D.A.gGH.YeuY9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Digitech Echoplus 8 second looping device. 3 play modes (sample, trigger and delay with infinite repeat). You can toggle the pitch, producing Frisell's squiggles of sound, by changing the delay time. They don't make them like this anymore. See pictures and the manual online at http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/digitechPDS/digi_pds.html With original box, no manual or power supply (takes a 9v). $150 + shipping payment through paypal or COD From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 20 21:25:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30339; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:25:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:25:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c248b1$71612b80$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: Subject: Re: digitech echoplus $150 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:24:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am interested and in Los Angeles- where are you located? I also have PayPal- thanks- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Blum" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 6:06 PM Subject: fs: digitech echoplus $150 > > Digitech Echoplus 8 second looping device. 3 play modes (sample, trigger and > delay with infinite repeat). You can toggle the pitch, producing Frisell's > squiggles of sound, by changing the delay time. They don't make them like > this anymore. > > See pictures and the manual online at > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/digitechPDS/digi_pds.html > > With original box, no manual or power supply (takes a 9v). > > $150 + shipping > payment through paypal or COD > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 03:35:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA24130; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 03:33:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 03:33:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <196.bd96258.2a949c10@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 03:32:32 EDT Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #534 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Set the Loop/Delay parameter to .InP. > > > > Now you can simulate all the EDP InterfaceModes with your feet. > > (apart from the Stutters) > > Placing your foot on both FCB1010 pedals gives you ReplaceMode. > > Working the FCB1010 feedback pedal opposite to the input pedal > > gives you FlipMode (easier sitting down) > > > Fun indeed--except for the input vol control, you can do this in loopmode > too, no? Well, there's nothing to stop you using an ordinary swell ped before the EDP. The EDP footpedal allows you to control Input Volume to the loop in Inp. and DEL modes . The "dry" signal is unnaffected. In FlipMode you control Input, but also Feedback(reversed). The thing you can't do with the EDP is control Input Vol by MIDI, as the hardware just won't do it. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 03:39:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA24421; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 03:37:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 03:37:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 00:36:13 -0800 Subject: Re: digitech echoplus $150 From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000501c248b1$71612b80$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey i'm envious-i bought one of these boxes years ago and i just remember the great fun and loopeeness i got...OH wait a minute-i still got it-the mind is a terrible thang-let me go look for that box-the thing i recall about it was how fast the loop degenerated if you left it open and explains why frissell opens and closes it real quick when building loops-i kinda think the technology drove the music in that case-course i could be wrong and i'll eat a bug. s > I am interested and in Los Angeles- where are you located? I also have > PayPal- thanks- > > Cliff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ryan Blum" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 6:06 PM > Subject: fs: digitech echoplus $150 > > >> >> Digitech Echoplus 8 second looping device. 3 play modes (sample, trigger > and >> delay with infinite repeat). You can toggle the pitch, producing Frisell's >> squiggles of sound, by changing the delay time. They don't make them like >> this anymore. >> >> See pictures and the manual online at >> http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/digitechPDS/digi_pds.html >> >> With original box, no manual or power supply (takes a 9v). >> >> $150 + shipping >> payment through paypal or COD >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 03:41:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA24694; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 03:41:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 03:41:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Per Boysen" Cc: Subject: RE: Looking for sound morphing software Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:41:34 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Sender: 520030663132-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > We are looking for software to do > morphing between two sound sources Wavewarp from Soundslogical does that trick, and lots of other things. The user interface sucks though. http://www.soundslogical.com = michael peters = computer graphics + electronic music = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb = www.mp3.com/veloopity From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 05:04:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA31367; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 05:04:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 05:04:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:02:48 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Critique of Critique of Feedback at Tom Cc: heasley@hypnos.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know I am going pretty far on this subject, but I find it fun. I hope you do and dont take it too serious: When the car was invented, some did not have a transmission, its cheaper, easier to operate and it also works. Its not so fast (just imagine you only have your second gear), but some people may have prefered it because they did not want to learn to handle the gear or had less money and would say: "why do you want to go fast, we reach any place without transmission". All right! Why would I be intolerant and call them wrong? But still my mission would be to build cars with a transmission to go faster. By some accident I am finally listening to Tom Heasleys lost last CD "on the sensation of tone" and find it great. Much better than the previous one and also better than the Loopstock performance which sounded great but was too static for me. Now the CD evolves a lot, I am back in my element :-) This music cures me Thank you Tom! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 05:04:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA31369; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 05:04:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 05:04:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:03:09 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: question for Mathias Grob,regarding pcm42 mod Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com maneco from uruguay: >>>i have two questions regarding your primitive loop delay,based in >>>pcm42 and counters,registers... >>>i've read the program code in your site..did you do all of that >>>just with logic? >>>in that case, you used presetable counters or adders for >>>calculating the read and write address... >> >>correct >> > >do you remember which counters you used(my guess is 74ls163 for >presetable counters,and 74ls283 for adders...) I dont remember. 163 seems right... >Is it necesary to work with the full adress,or just the most >significant part of it,for example the 8 most significant? I am not sure whether 8 are enough. 265 stepps seems little. Depends on memory size. The least 4 bits are not interesting at all, if you dont mind to loose some resolution, you can cut another 3-4. >i'm starting to understand all of your system,but i don't quite get >the idea of how to make a difference using logic >gates(radr=wadr-lotm,for example)maybe i should think it as >wadr=radr+lotm? I dont think I used HW adders. But they are capable of doing differences, you just have to invert one side, probably its even possible with some control bit... Anyway, you can save the adress at StartRecord and load it as ReadAdress at StopRecord into a separate counter. Multiply similar... >i'm not asking for your designs or drawings,i'm really having fun with this... ok, I let you figure it out. I am not sure whether I have a drawing of the 42 mod and if so its in Brasil, so I can only look it up in the middle of September. >i'm happy that i understood how you copied the data from the tempo >loop to the long multiplied loop,it's not a copy,just full >feedback,isn`t it? thats right, you only have to jump correctly with the read address. >my looper is getting into shape...4mb,30khz,8 bit + >compander,stompbox format,four footswitches(tap,loop,write and >bypass)later i'll have to think how to send clock out from it,maybe >with a pll(4046?)i'll have to multiply the tempo rate from the tempo >count > >obrigado!!! > >Maneco -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 05:04:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA31370; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 05:04:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 05:04:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:03:28 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Midi synchro for headrush,DL4 and others Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >hello salut Jean Pierre! >With my friends we play with both acoustic instruments and electronic >machines, so we absolutely >need to have looer tools with midi synchronisation. >Echoplex, Jamman and Repeater are equipment that are good solutions for our >needs. right >But they are not easy to find in Europe or with a price that is far from our >possibilities. order from US! the CE version of the EDP will be available in about 3 month >and we don't always need all the possibilities these wonderfull toys could >bring. >So last winter I began a project: to transform my Headrush to be able to >synchronise to midi clock. >The first prototype was built and began to give satisfaction ...I have some >little modifications to do to finish this project. >I think other equipment like RC20, DOD D12, DL4 ... could be modified to >become slave with midi clock in the same manner. >( on my proto I can set the number of measures I want to record, and when I >press Record on the Headrush, the end of loop >is automaticly set at the right place, according to tempo and midi clock.) I think you are speaking about an initial matching of the Record time to the master. Syncing really means to keep correcting so the slave does not run away. The only way you can do that on those simple units would be by calling a Retrigger function at each Sync that comes close to a loop end... not easy! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 05:05:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA31559; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 05:04:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 05:04:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:04:09 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Santanas looping bassist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Samuel Heierli, an EDP user old friend of mine that never appeared on the list, told me yesterday that he saw the show of Santana and the best was the solo of the bass player who built a smart thing on his EDP, far beyond of laying a bass line... He could not tell the name of the player. Nor did I check whether this event has been discussed on this list. But I found it highly remarkable... I just dont understand why thousands of musicians that see this work dont walk into a shop next day to ask for the machine he used... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 06:50:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA04032; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 06:50:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 06:50:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D630B70.2AB79EBD@ubuibi.org> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 03:39:30 +0000 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ninah Subject: no other radio/ub playlist for 8/02 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------A02D9F656D0A19BEBB827849" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------A02D9F656D0A19BEBB827849 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ub radio playlist 8/02 As broadcast on kpfa/kpfb/kfcf (kpfa.orf) Ub radio mayhem ensues on the 3rd. Tuesday of each month on the 'no other radio' program which has brought independent/difficult music to northern California for two decades, on the pacifica network Contact; das@ubuibi.org (in no particular order) Rudolf eb.er/joke lanz akustische action absurd Atelzer/de waard torn tongue absurd Toy bizarre kdi dctb 116 absurd Feine trinkers bei pinkels hungerhaken's speckrolle absurd m. northam from within the solar cave absurd kapotte muziek lauter absurd gunshop the mechanics always have... absurd electro-magnetic trans-personal orch. Pax neil innes recollections 1 charmingly persistant v/a enjoy happiness hebi like a snake bran flakes bounce happi tyme v/a scrape audio mag #1 plutonium press v/a scrape audio mag #2 plutonium press rune lindblad object 2 pogus second violin Victoria zeromoon v/a whole world in their hands methods to survive daevid allen dividedalienplaybax80 charly Hmmmmmmmm no guests for a change so lots o' discs As you can tell big bunch of the beautifully packaged absurd (Athens) releases -next week special guest; daevid allen- --------------A02D9F656D0A19BEBB827849 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ub radio playlist 8/02
As broadcast on kpfa/kpfb/kfcf  (kpfa.orf)

Ub radio mayhem ensues on the 3rd. Tuesday of each month on the
 'no other radio' program which has brought independent/difficult music to northern California for  two decades, on the pacifica network

Contact; das@ubuibi.org

(in no particular order)

Rudolf eb.er/joke lanz                          akustische action                       absurd
Atelzer/de waard                                 torn tongue                              absurd
Toy bizarre                                        kdi dctb 116                            absurd
Feine trinkers bei pinkels                     hungerhaken's speckrolle            absurd
m. northam                                         from within the solar cave         absurd
kapotte muziek                                    lauter                                      absurd
gunshop                                             the mechanics always have...     absurd
electro-magnetic trans-personal orch.                                                 Pax
neil innes                                             recollections 1                       charmingly persistant
v/a                                                      enjoy happiness                    hebi like a snake
bran flakes                                            bounce                                 happi tyme
v/a                                                      scrape audio mag #1               plutonium press
v/a                                                      scrape audio mag #2               plutonium press
rune lindblad                                        object 2                                 pogus
second violin                                        Victoria                                 zeromoon
v/a                                                      whole world in their hands       methods to survive
daevid allen                                         dividedalienplaybax80              charly
 

Hmmmmmmmm no guests for a change so lots o' discs
As you can tell big bunch of the beautifully packaged absurd (Athens) releases
-next week special guest; daevid allen-
 
  --------------A02D9F656D0A19BEBB827849-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 08:34:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11407; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:34:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:34:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: cram@panix.com Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:32:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Santanas looping bassist In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3D635024.8033.763AA@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Priority: normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Bassist is Benny Reitveld(sp). He is great. He played Fire by Hendrix as his bass solo...8 minutes or so of looping, layering and bad assed bass playing. He played all of the parts...great. Craig On 21 Aug 2002 at 11:04, Matthias Grob wrote: > Samuel Heierli, an EDP user old friend of mine that never appeared on > the list, told me yesterday that he saw the show of Santana and the > best was the solo of the bass player who built a smart thing on his > EDP, far beyond of laying a bass line... > He could not tell the name of the player. > Nor did I check whether this event has been discussed on this list. > But I found it highly remarkable... > > I just dont understand why thousands of musicians that see this work > dont walk into a shop next day to ask for the machine he used... > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 08:40:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11822; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:40:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:40:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Santanas looping bassist Message-ID: <1029933475.3d6389a39a36c@www.correo.unam.mx> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:37:55 -0500 (CDT) From: smaug@servidor.unam.mx MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.8 X-Originating-IP: 212.198.0.93 Resent-Message-ID: <2FfJaB.A.z3C.Yo4Y9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw Santana in Paris and Benny played "Imagine" for his solo... it was really cool. ------------------------------------------------- Obtén tu correo en www.correo.unam.mx UNAMonos Comunicándonos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 09:44:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17702; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:43:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:43:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: RE: More Loopfests (Boston Edition) From: Jeffrey Lomas To: LD Mailing list Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8.99 Date: 21 Aug 2002 05:38:52 -0400 Message-Id: <1029922732.2900.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've gone ahead and setup a mailing list on my server for people interested in discussing/organizing a New England Area Loopfest. To subscribe send a message to bostonloopfest-subscribe@randomsalt.com Regards, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 10:30:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22021; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:30:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:30:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:29:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Rik Elswit Message-Id: <200208211429.g7LETdcJ009522@well.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Santanas looping bassist Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias writes, re Santanas bassist: "I just dont understand why thousands of musicians that see this work dont walk into a shop next day to ask for the machine he used... -- I'll be damned if I know. And what's more, I have no idea why Carlos hasn't warmed to the idea. We showed him the EDP, the Repeater and the RC20. Nothing clicked. Neal Schon is a loop junkie, but most of the hot guitarists I know just don't get it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 10:59:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25214; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:59:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:59:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:47:18 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance @ Zeitgeist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <_JNI6D.A.G3F.jq6Y9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'll be doing video improvisations at the NEW Zeitgeist Gallery in Cambridge -- the Z crew has done a wonderful job of fixing up lovely space in Inman Square Coconspirators for this event will be GREG BURK - solo piano from Seattle: CHORUS TAUGHT TO PITCH Gust Burns - piano Gregory Reynolds - alto sax subconsciouscafe @ ZEITGEIST GALLERY presents @ THE ZEITGEIST GALLERY 1353 Cambridge St. Inman Sq. Cambridge all shows 8 pm all shows $10 or b/o all ages NEW PHONE: 617.876.6060 effective Aug. 7 All shows subject to update, please check current listing for changes(*) Production: ZEITGEIST GALLERY Zeitgeist Gallery - 312 Broadway, cr Norfolk, off Central Sq. Cambridge info 617.876.2182 wheelchair accessible. -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 11:17:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26653; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:17:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:17:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c24925$c7086930$ae0b0150@paulsmesh> From: "Paul Somerset" To: References: <200208211429.g7LETdcJ009522@well.com> Subject: Re: Santanas looping bassist Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:16:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi I'm one of the few who do...seemingly. Paul Original Message ----- From: "Rik Elswit" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 3:29 PM Subject: Re: Santanas looping bassist > Matthias writes, re Santanas bassist: > > "I just dont understand why thousands of musicians that see this work > dont walk into a shop next day to ask for the machine he used... > -- > > > > I'll be damned if I know. And what's more, I have no idea why Carlos > hasn't warmed to the idea. We showed him the EDP, the Repeater and the > RC20. Nothing clicked. > > Neal Schon is a loop junkie, but most of the hot guitarists I know just > don't get it. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 12:01:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30856; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:01:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:01:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020821085833.03791088@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:02:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Santanas looping bassist In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:04 AM 8/21/2002, Matthias Grob wrote: >Samuel Heierli, an EDP user old friend of mine that never appeared on the >list, told me yesterday that he saw the show of Santana and the best was >the solo of the bass player who built a smart thing on his EDP, far beyond >of laying a bass line... >He could not tell the name of the player. That is Benny Rietveld. He lives here in Oakland, and was disappointed that he would not be able to make Andre's EDP clinic on Saturday. I didn't know about him until recently, but his copy of LoopIV should be arriving with him soon. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 13:04:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04041; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:03:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:03:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D63697E.7F86@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:20:47 +0000 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Santanas looping bassist References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020821085833.03791088@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Benny also has a trio which plays at World Grounds Cafe in Oakland,usually on the 1st sunday of the month,when he's in town. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 13:14:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05111; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:14:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:14:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:13:26 -0700 Subject: Re: Santanas looping bassist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4E574420-B529-11D6-8C32-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, August 21, 2002, at 02:04 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: > > I just dont understand why thousands of musicians that see this work > dont walk into a shop next day to ask for the machine he used... I do get people that come up to me all the time to ask what gear I'm using. I guess that's what an endorsement deal is about in the big time. Does the EDP have an endorser? I'm sure an add in Guitar Player next to a famous player would be very valuable Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 13:25:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05874; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:24:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:24:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:23:01 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping Venues Message-ID: <75634756.61E280BF.0017F279@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello everybody, I'm James Sidlo and I loop and process baritone guitar. I'm looking for looping venues to perform at around the third week of September. Please e-mail me privately. Thanks, James www.unclebuzz.com www.dogfingers.com www.emigre.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 13:29:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06263; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:27:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:27:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <75634756.61E280BF.0017F279@aol.com> References: <75634756.61E280BF.0017F279@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:26:11 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Looping Venues Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hello everybody, I'm James Sidlo and I loop and process baritone >guitar. I'm looking for looping venues to perform at around the >third week of September. > Please e-mail me privately. Thanks, James give us a hint as to where... Europe, West Coast, East Coast?? /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 14:37:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10823; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:35:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:35:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020821183432.63355.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:34:32 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: Re: repeaters anywhere? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: ken@dangerlog.com In-Reply-To: <200208211050.GAA04084@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this is all i could find: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=901039682 cheers, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 16:06:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18396; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:04:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:04:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.129.91.149] From: "terry o'brien" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 1-in, 7-out signal routing system Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:03:33 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2002 20:03:33.0868 (UTC) FILETIME=[D40C4AC0:01C2494D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Michael, thanx for the headsup, that looks cool...and they're canucks! Just wish I could afford one right now...sure could use it. Cheers, Terry >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: 1-in, 7-out signal routing system Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:39:47 >EDT > > just saw this today in guitar player.....sorry if this had already been >mentioned.....HREF="http://www.radialeng.com/News/HighLights/JD7.cfm">Click here: Radial >Engineering _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 16:26:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19785; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:25:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:25:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:19:09 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Looping Venues In-reply-to: <75634756.61E280BF.0017F279@aol.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <75634756.61E280BF.0017F279@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:23 PM -0400 8/21/02, Jhsidlo@aol.com wrote: > Hello everybody, I'm James Sidlo and I loop and process baritone >guitar. I'm looking for looping venues to perform at around the >third week of September. Rothko Chapel in Houston Brooklyn Bridge Anchorage Upper Quarry Amphitheater at UC Santa Cruz The Pantheon in Rome Meteor Crater Arizona -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 16:33:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20231; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:31:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:31:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Looping Venues From: Jeffrey Lomas To: LD Mailing list In-Reply-To: References: <75634756.61E280BF.0017F279@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8.99 Date: 21 Aug 2002 12:27:08 -0400 Message-Id: <1029947228.2902.163.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How about a gig on the moon. I here you can hitch a ride with the ruskies for a six-pack of beer and gas money :). jeff On Wed, 2002-08-21 at 16:19, Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 1:23 PM -0400 8/21/02, Jhsidlo@aol.com wrote: > > Hello everybody, I'm James Sidlo and I loop and process baritone > >guitar. I'm looking for looping venues to perform at around the > >third week of September. > > Rothko Chapel in Houston > Brooklyn Bridge Anchorage > Upper Quarry Amphitheater at UC Santa Cruz > The Pantheon in Rome > Meteor Crater Arizona > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 16:38:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20659; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:35:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:35:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:35:28 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Looping Venues To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00e001c24952$498516c0$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <75634756.61E280BF.0017F279@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" > At 1:23 PM -0400 8/21/02, Jhsidlo@aol.com wrote: > > Hello everybody, I'm James Sidlo and I loop and process baritone > >guitar. I'm looking for looping venues to perform at around the > >third week of September. > > Rothko Chapel in Houston > Brooklyn Bridge Anchorage > Upper Quarry Amphitheater at UC Santa Cruz > The Pantheon in Rome > Meteor Crater Arizona I always thought the Taj Mahal would be interesting. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 16:50:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21693; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:50:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:50:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <75634756.61E280BF.0017F279@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:49:00 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Looping Venues Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:19 PM -0700 8/21/02, Richard Zvonar wrote: >At 1:23 PM -0400 8/21/02, Jhsidlo@aol.com wrote: >> Hello everybody, I'm James Sidlo and I loop and process >>baritone guitar. I'm looking for looping venues to perform at >>around the third week of September. > >Rothko Chapel in Houston >Brooklyn Bridge Anchorage >Upper Quarry Amphitheater at UC Santa Cruz >The Pantheon in Rome >Meteor Crater Arizona Now, I can't quite work this out... these aren't all round (loopy) nor do they have long reverb decays (the Arizona crater doesn't) nor do they all book concerts... /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 16:51:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21714; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:50:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:50:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00e001c24952$498516c0$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> References: <75634756.61E280BF.0017F279@aol.com> <00e001c24952$498516c0$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:49:02 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Looping Venues Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Richard Zvonar" > >> At 1:23 PM -0400 8/21/02, Jhsidlo@aol.com wrote: >> > Hello everybody, I'm James Sidlo and I loop and process baritone >> >guitar. I'm looking for looping venues to perform at around the >> >third week of September. >> >> Rothko Chapel in Houston >> Brooklyn Bridge Anchorage >> Upper Quarry Amphitheater at UC Santa Cruz >> The Pantheon in Rome >> Meteor Crater Arizona > >I always thought the Taj Mahal would be interesting. What about Grand Central Station? And you *can* actually book that space! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 16:58:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22707; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:57:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:57:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:56:06 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Looping Venues To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <010401c24955$2bc3df60$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <75634756.61E280BF.0017F279@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" > At 1:19 PM -0700 8/21/02, Richard Zvonar wrote: > >At 1:23 PM -0400 8/21/02, Jhsidlo@aol.com wrote: > >> Hello everybody, I'm James Sidlo and I loop and process > >>baritone guitar. I'm looking for looping venues to perform at > >>around the third week of September. > > > >Rothko Chapel in Houston > >Brooklyn Bridge Anchorage > >Upper Quarry Amphitheater at UC Santa Cruz > >The Pantheon in Rome > >Meteor Crater Arizona > > Now, I can't quite work this out... > > these aren't all round (loopy) nor do they have long reverb decays > (the Arizona crater doesn't) > nor do they all book concerts... The Brooklyn Bridge Anchorage is an interesting venue. I saw/heard Glenn Branca and one of his massive guitar orchestras there a few years ago. It was real loud and I was wearing ear plugs so I don't know if the high ceilings made that much of a difference. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 17:04:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24405; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:01:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:01:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D63FF8A.5010003@cabq.gov> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:00:58 -0600 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping Venues References: <75634756.61E280BF.0017F279@aol.com> <010401c24955$2bc3df60$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com now wait a sec... is this place in New York or Alaska? now I am confused. -jas http://dimbulb.org David Beardsley wrote: > >The Brooklyn Bridge Anchorage is an interesting venue. I saw/heard >Glenn Branca and one of his massive guitar orchestras there a >few years ago. It was real loud and I was wearing ear plugs >so I don't know if the high ceilings made that much of a difference. > >* David Beardsley >* http://biink.com >* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 17:05:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24785; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:05:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:05:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <010401c24955$2bc3df60$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> References: <75634756.61E280BF.0017F279@aol.com> <010401c24955$2bc3df60$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:04:41 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Looping Venues Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:56 PM -0400 8/21/02, David Beardsley wrote: >The Brooklyn Bridge Anchorage is an interesting venue. I saw/heard >Glenn Branca and one of his massive guitar orchestras there a >few years ago. It was real loud and I was wearing ear plugs >so I don't know if the high ceilings made that much of a difference. I saw that show and held up my cell phone for the whole thing (Marianne Amacher was on the other end of the line until the end, it was a nice way to broadcast the performance). It was a great-looking venue but the terrible, terrible acoustics turned everything there into a wall of trash. I imagine ambient material would have sounded a lot better there and they did do some of that too. Unfortunately, they've closed it down indefinitely due to war hysteria. /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 17:07:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25240; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:07:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:07:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020821140359.03496770@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:09:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looping Venues In-Reply-To: References: <75634756.61E280BF.0017F279@aol.com> <75634756.61E280BF.0017F279@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:19 PM 8/21/2002, Richard Zvonar wrote: >At 1:23 PM -0400 8/21/02, Jhsidlo@aol.com wrote: >> Hello everybody, I'm James Sidlo and I loop and process baritone >> guitar. I'm looking for looping venues to perform at around the third >> week of September. > >Rothko Chapel in Houston >Brooklyn Bridge Anchorage >Upper Quarry Amphitheater at UC Santa Cruz >The Pantheon in Rome >Meteor Crater Arizona There's the artist in residence program in Antarctica. You just have to be prepared to be stuck there for half the year until the ice thaws, but at least you have a captive audience of weather scientists and penguins. I think Henry Kaiser did this. I saw a picture of him using the actual south pole as a slide on his guitar. Sitting on the south pole would be sort of like looping. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 17:09:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25660; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:09:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:09:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3D63FF8A.5010003@cabq.gov> References: <75634756.61E280BF.0017F279@aol.com> <010401c24955$2bc3df60$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> <3D63FF8A.5010003@cabq.gov> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:08:35 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Looping Venues Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-rBjBC.A.UQG.jFAZ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:00 PM -0600 8/21/02, Jason Fink wrote: >now wait a sec... is this place in New York or Alaska? now I am confused. > >-jas >http://dimbulb.org > >David Beardsley wrote: > >> >>The Brooklyn Bridge Anchorage is an interesting venue. It starts in Brooklyn and ends in Anchorage -- as you know, it's a very long bridge. /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 17:13:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25964; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:11:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:11:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020821140359.03496770@loopers-delight.com> References: <75634756.61E280BF.0017F279@aol.com> <75634756.61E280BF.0017F279@aol.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020821140359.03496770@loopers-delight.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:10:39 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Looping Venues Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3iLrvB.A.LVG.aHAZ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Sitting on the south pole would be sort of like looping. sitting anywhere on the Earth is sort of like looping, in a similar way. /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 17:36:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28185; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:36:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:36:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:35:34 -0400 Subject: Re: Looping Venues From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com After many years of sonic use, the B.B. Anchorage has been closed due to terror paranoia (ya, it anchors the friggin bridge). The sound there is/was medieval mush or cosmic ambience, depending on your source sounds and/or point of view. Personally, I liked the sound--along with the atmosphere (literally), which is/was damp and dank... David Lee Myers http://www.pulsewidth.com on 8/21/02 4:19 PM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: > At 1:23 PM -0400 8/21/02, Jhsidlo@aol.com wrote: >> Hello everybody, I'm James Sidlo and I loop and process baritone >> guitar. I'm looking for looping venues to perform at around the >> third week of September. > > Rothko Chapel in Houston > Brooklyn Bridge Anchorage > Upper Quarry Amphitheater at UC Santa Cruz > The Pantheon in Rome > Meteor Crater Arizona From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 17:40:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28587; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:39:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:39:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a001c2495b$0df35e60$2d63f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200208212104.RAA24648@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: re: venues for looping Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:38:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I always thought the Taj Mahal would be interesting. Nah, I've seen him several times. He's not into looping....................YET!!! RAW (aka Lp.pL) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 17:50:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29741; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:49:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:49:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1029947228.2902.163.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <75634756.61E280BF.0017F279@aol.com> <1029947228.2902.163.camel@localhost.localdomain> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:48:42 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Looping Venues Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >How about a gig on the moon. I here you can hitch a ride with the >ruskies for a six-pack of beer and gas money :). unfortunately, the only instruments that work in a vacuum are synths and... wait for it... electric guitar. (and gas money to the moon could be VERY VERY expensive...) /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 18:18:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32431; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:16:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:16:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: Looping Venues Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:14:53 -0400 Message-ID: <001401c24960$2d24a6e0$6445230a@melon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if a tree falls in a vacuum, does it ... oh > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Ritchford [mailto:tom@swirly.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 5:49 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Looping Venues > > > >How about a gig on the moon. I here you can hitch a ride with the > >ruskies for a six-pack of beer and gas money :). > > unfortunately, the only instruments that work in a vacuum are > synths and... wait for it... electric guitar. > > (and gas money to the moon could be VERY VERY expensive...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 18:23:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00479; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:22:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:22:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: Looping Venues Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:57:31 -0500 Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CF91@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Looping Venues Thread-Index: AcJJV/tN/1OfuMsKT5u/EFSQpEfaUQABf8CA From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA00443 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Pantheon in Rome ** all kidding aside, this would be a really great building to play in - - loopage or no. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 18:24:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00742; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:24:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:24:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:23:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200208211823.AA478806064@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Looping Venues X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >unfortunately, the only instruments that work in a vacuum are >synths and... wait for it... electric guitar. > wonder how much more sustain you'd get without friction... 'course you probably couldn't hear it anyway... Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 18:26:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01095; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:26:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:26:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020821152236.03454018@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:28:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looping Venues In-Reply-To: References: <1029947228.2902.163.camel@localhost.localdomain> <75634756.61E280BF.0017F279@aol.com> <1029947228.2902.163.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:48 PM 8/21/2002, Tom Ritchford wrote: >>How about a gig on the moon. I here you can hitch a ride with the >>ruskies for a six-pack of beer and gas money :). > >unfortunately, the only instruments that work in a vacuum are >synths and... wait for it... electric guitar. > >(and gas money to the moon could be VERY VERY expensive...) you could split the fare with Lance Bass, he's having a tough time raising the funds. hmm, I'm having a tough time deciding whether the moon or the south pole would make a better venue for an ambient guitar looping festival. I guess either choice works for me. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 18:27:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01172; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:27:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:27:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:26:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200208211826.AA2197160140@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Looping Venues X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <-4vYiB.A.AR.WOBZ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >wonder how much more sustain you'd get without friction... > friction meaning friction with the air once the string is plucked of course. Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 18:38:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02072; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:37:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:37:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: burnett@pobox.com X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:41:59 -0400 (EDT) X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping Venues In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020821152236.03454018@loopers-delight.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Kim Flint wrote: > At 02:48 PM 8/21/2002, Tom Ritchford wrote: > >>How about a gig on the moon. I here you can hitch a ride with the > >>ruskies for a six-pack of beer and gas money :). > > > >unfortunately, the only instruments that work in a vacuum are > >synths and... wait for it... electric guitar. > > > >(and gas money to the moon could be VERY VERY expensive...) > > you could split the fare with Lance Bass, he's having a tough time raising > the funds. > > hmm, I'm having a tough time deciding whether the moon or the south pole > would make a better venue for an ambient guitar looping festival. I guess > either choice works for me. In my opinion, the South Pole. Definitely the south pole. I want to play the "At the Mountains of Madness" nightmare soundscape loopfest. Please? best, Steve -- Steve Burnett burnett@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~burnett/ System Administration Technical Documentation Information Retrieval From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 18:49:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03243; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:49:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:49:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: cram@panix.com Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:49:54 -0400 Subject: Re: Santanas looping bassist In-reply-to: <4E574420-B529-11D6-8C32-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3D63E0D2.29346.218D43@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Priority: normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is he only using an EDP for loops? He had all kinds of things going on when I saw him...distortion, delay, wah, talking bass (no talkbox though)., atmospherics etc. It was an extravaganza. On 21 Aug 2002 at 10:13, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > On Wednesday, August 21, 2002, at 02:04 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: > > > > I just dont understand why thousands of musicians that see this work > > dont walk into a shop next day to ask for the machine he used... > > I do get people that come up to me all the time to ask what gear I'm > using. I guess that's what an endorsement deal is about in the big > time. Does the EDP have an endorser? I'm sure an add in Guitar Player > next to a famous player would be very valuable > > Mark > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Life goes on within you and without you. -- George Harrison Craig Ramseur cram@panix.com Listen at: www.soundclick.com\craigramseur ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 18:55:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03762; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:54:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:54:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:52:16 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Looping Venues Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >In my opinion, the South Pole. Definitely the south pole. I want to play >the "At the Mountains of Madness" nightmare soundscape loopfest. Please? and today you can get the Internet there: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2207259.stm [I heard, no joking but VERY OT, that they are making a movie of "At the Mountains of Madness"!!! Google's best is just: http://www.creature-corner.com/news2/aug13mountains.php3 ] -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 19:09:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06154; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:09:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:09:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.129.91.149] From: "terry o'brien" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping Venues Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:08:18 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2002 23:08:18.0466 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2FBB820:01C24967] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Brrrr...While I play chill music, both are way too f@#kin' cold for me...and I'm from Canada! :o) T >From: Kim Flint >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Looping Venues >Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:28:53 -0700 > >At 02:48 PM 8/21/2002, Tom Ritchford wrote: >>>How about a gig on the moon. I here you can hitch a ride with the >>>ruskies for a six-pack of beer and gas money :). >> >>unfortunately, the only instruments that work in a vacuum are >>synths and... wait for it... electric guitar. >> >>(and gas money to the moon could be VERY VERY expensive...) > >you could split the fare with Lance Bass, he's having a tough time raising >the funds. > >hmm, I'm having a tough time deciding whether the moon or the south pole >would make a better venue for an ambient guitar looping festival. I guess >either choice works for me. > >kim > > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 19:18:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07058; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:18:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:18:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009601c24969$00897f80$5ea95e0c@u73x0> From: "Cino" To: References: <75634756.61E280BF.0017F279@aol.com> <00e001c24952$498516c0$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Re: Looping Venues Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:18:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <-V90OD.A.YtB.g-BZ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David wrote: > I always thought the Taj Mahal would be interesting. I recall an LP by the jazz flautist Paul Horn (called "Inside"?) which was done on a portable reel-to-reel in the main (domed) chamber of the Taj Mahal. Most of the pieces were improvisations, incorporating the incredible reverb and echo of the dome. I've visited the Taj Mahal several times but never brought an instrument (I doubt that any are allowed now, since you must pass through several security checks with metal detectors to enter the grounds. I even had to check a box of cough drops at a security station since no foods are allowed, either). Once I ventured a halfhearted cry up into the dome, but not having much of a voice it only felt silly. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 19:28:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08352; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:28:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:28:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:26:52 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Looping Venues To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02a901c2496a$3bd6f760$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <75634756.61E280BF.0017F279@aol.com> <00e001c24952$498516c0$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> <009601c24969$00897f80$5ea95e0c@u73x0> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cino" > David wrote: > > I always thought the Taj Mahal would be interesting. > > I recall an LP by the jazz flautist Paul Horn (called "Inside"?) which was > done on a portable reel-to-reel in the main (domed) chamber of the Taj > Mahal. Most of the pieces were improvisations, incorporating the incredible > reverb and echo of the dome. Part of the reason I'd be interested in playing there. I have the album. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 19:50:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10108; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:48:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:48:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020821085833.03791088@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020821085833.03791088@loopers-delight.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:48:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Santanas looping bassist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 02:04 AM 8/21/2002, Matthias Grob wrote: >>Samuel Heierli, an EDP user old friend of mine that never appeared >>on the list, told me yesterday that he saw the show of Santana and >>the best was the solo of the bass player who built a smart thing on >>his EDP, far beyond of laying a bass line... >>He could not tell the name of the player. > >That is Benny Rietveld. He lives here in Oakland, and was >disappointed that he would not be able to make Andre's EDP clinic on >Saturday. I didn't know about him until recently, but his copy of >LoopIV should be arriving with him soon. amazing: today I had the first meeting with Hansruedi, since we met at Loopstock and he started talking about the same show, so I got the power book out and looked at your mails and read to him! thank you! By the way he promissed to organize a swiss loop meeting next year with Stefan Keller, a very smart flute player we were with. He creates mostly pecussive loops with all silver flutes and some processing. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 19:51:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10172; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:49:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:49:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200208211429.g7LETdcJ009522@well.com> References: <200208211429.g7LETdcJ009522@well.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:48:27 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Santanas looping bassist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Matthias writes, re Santanas bassist: > >"I just dont understand why thousands of musicians that see this work >dont walk into a shop next day to ask for the machine he used... >-- > >I'll be damned if I know. And what's more, I have no idea why Carlos >hasn't warmed to the idea. We showed him the EDP, the Repeater and the >RC20. Nothing clicked. > >Neal Schon is a loop junkie, but most of the hot guitarists I know just >don't get it. Oh, Rik I heard a lot about you, the one that demoes looping a lot and with competence, right? I wanted to meet you because you probably know better than anybody else, why people dont go for it! I can easily imagine that someone like Carlos that already made his way and stile dont feel inclined to learn a new way of playing. I also imagine that a bigger part of the musicians are not interested because they - dont want gear - have no money - only play scores - dont want to follow the speed of a machine - play piano... (what other instruments are not so interesting to loop?) But I imagine that for at least 10% of the 1st worlds musicians none of this applies. And a resonable part of those must have heard some musician looping nicely, at the Santana show for example. Hundreds of thousands of potential loopers. How many of those make the effort to have a closer look at the thing? What do they say when they turn away although they understood your demo? How many buy one, once they understood? How many are unable to do it and give up? We are a lot more than 100 monkies doing it for decades... ;-) I just dont understand what is so strange about it, since it seems rather easy to make a sound through looping that is pleasant if not phantastic for any listener, no? I would love to listen to your experience with the "average" musician! Thank you Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 19:51:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10578; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:50:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:50:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001801c24925$c7086930$ae0b0150@paulsmesh> References: <200208211429.g7LETdcJ009522@well.com> <001801c24925$c7086930$ae0b0150@paulsmesh> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:49:25 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Santanas looping bassist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi >I'm one of the few who do...seemingly. Hi Paul! Are you saying that you do understand why? or a Santana show turned you on to looping? sorry, I want to know it all now ;-) Matthias >Paul > Original Message ----- >From: "Rik Elswit" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 3:29 PM >Subject: Re: Santanas looping bassist > > >> Matthias writes, re Santanas bassist: >> >> "I just dont understand why thousands of musicians that see this work >> dont walk into a shop next day to ask for the machine he used... >> -- >> >> >> >> I'll be damned if I know. And what's more, I have no idea why Carlos >> hasn't warmed to the idea. We showed him the EDP, the Repeater and the >> RC20. Nothing clicked. >> >> Neal Schon is a loop junkie, but most of the hot guitarists I know just >> don't get it. >> >> -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 19:52:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10505; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:50:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:50:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4E574420-B529-11D6-8C32-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: <4E574420-B529-11D6-8C32-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:49:12 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Santanas looping bassist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >On Wednesday, August 21, 2002, at 02:04 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: >> >>I just dont understand why thousands of musicians that see this >>work dont walk into a shop next day to ask for the machine he >>used... > >I do get people that come up to me all the time to ask what gear I'm >using. I guess that's what an endorsement deal is about in the big >time. Does the EDP have an endorser? I'm sure an add in Guitar >Player next to a famous player would be very valuable yeeeeaaa, pretty worn out for my taste... may work, but looks ridiculous, no? My question is: why does it take an add if people hear you and see what you use? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 20:11:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14831; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:10:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:10:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:10:08 -0700 Subject: Hello Dali Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <849C53C3-B563-11D6-8C32-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This sure looks cool, and it's free! Must check out! http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/2002/Delay-Lama.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 20:45:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17297; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:43:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:43:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:42:41 -0700 Subject: Re: Santanas looping bassist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <10911893-B568-11D6-8C32-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, August 21, 2002, at 04:49 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: >> On Wednesday, August 21, 2002, at 02:04 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: >>> >>> I just dont understand why thousands of musicians that see this work >>> dont walk into a shop next day to ask for the machine he used... >> >> I do get people that come up to me all the time to ask what gear I'm >> using. I guess that's what an endorsement deal is about in the big >> time. Does the EDP have an endorser? I'm sure an add in Guitar >> Player next to a famous player would be very valuable > > yeeeeaaa, pretty worn out for my taste... may work, but looks > ridiculous, no? I don't think so. The key here is that a famous person has a lot of people's attention. > My question is: why does it take an add if people hear you and see what > you use? Good question. The person who came up to see what I was using for multi track looping said, "Oh, I heard about the Repeater and I'm thinking about getting one!" To which I said, "Don't think too hard, as they're already out of production." He knew about the EDP too, yet he owned neither. Maybe it's money? I couldn't afford an EDP for a long time. Another possibility is that looping sounds good and all, but I think what would REALLY bring people around is playing with one. I think units like the DL4 are probably doing a lot to bring people into this. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 21:15:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20380; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:14:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:14:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:13:54 -0400 Subject: Re: Hello Dali From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <849C53C3-B563-11D6-8C32-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Except that it does nothing but crash my G4/Cubase! Anyone else? David Lee Myers http://www.pulsewidth.com on 8/21/02 8:10 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > This sure looks cool, and it's free! Must check out! > > > http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/2002/Delay-Lama.html > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 21:30:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21435; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:28:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:28:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: c.jas@optusnet.com.au Message-Id: <200208220128.g7M1SCg14021@mail013.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.411 (Entity 5.404) To: "Loopers-Delight @ loopers-delight . com" Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:28:12 +1000 Subject: Trilok Gurtu's loop device? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What loop device does 'Trilok Gurtu' use?? He's looped quite a bit over the years. cam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 21:32:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22009; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:32:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:32:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D643F70.925AEBA@friendlyspider.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:34:22 -0500 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Trilok Gurtu's loop device? References: <200208220128.g7M1SCg14021@mail013.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is that Johnny's bassist extraordinaire...? c.jas@optusnet.com.au wrote: > What loop device does 'Trilok Gurtu' use?? > He's looped quite a bit over the years. > cam -- gary @friendlyspider.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 22:37:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28311; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:37:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:37:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D644EC7.CE0B8F3C@friendlyspider.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:39:54 -0500 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Trilok Gurtu's loop device? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well I thought he was the percussionist but with that bass looping string going... I was just too lazy to check my CD...(or web) Yeah...they came to Memphis during that tour.... actually opened up for Steve Morse.... poor guy... I like Steve Morse-collect all his stuff, but that's like God opening up for the Pope... -- gary @friendlyspider.com "a love supreme..." andrew pask wrote: > On 8/21/02 at 8:34 PM, gary@friendlyspider.com (Gary Phillips) wrote: > > > Is that Johnny's bassist extraordinaire...? > > > Percussion player. The guy with the drums spread out all over the floor. > I quite liked Alegria, if that's the Johnny you are talking about. A friend of > mine is doing some remixes for TG now, I didn't know he was into loop gear, I'll > pass this along and see if I can find out. > > Cheers > > A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 22:38:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27956; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:34:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:34:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:33:43 -0700 From: andrew pask Subject: Re: Trilok Gurtu's loop device? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.5.3 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 8/21/02 at 8:34 PM, gary@friendlyspider.com (Gary Phillips) wrote: > Is that Johnny's bassist extraordinaire...? > Percussion player. The guy with the drums spread out all over the floor. I quite liked Alegria, if that's the Johnny you are talking about. A friend of mine is doing some remixes for TG now, I didn't know he was into loop gear, I'll pass this along and see if I can find out. Cheers A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 22:38:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29129; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:38:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:38:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:38:57 -0700 From: "Doug Lawrence (home)" Subject: Re: repeaters anywhere? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003501c24985$10a286c0$0282c83f@kinesys1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020821183432.63355.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From http://www.harmony-central.com Electrix Repeater For Sale Asking Price: US$450 Condition: Mint Age: 9 months Description: with 128 meg SimpleTech Compact Flash card and FC200 Footpedal Serious inquiries only Oregon area aban9@attbi.com Seller: Ernest Banyan, 503 286 0875 E-mail: aban9@attbi.com (Profile) Location: PORTLAND, OR Post Date: 7/10/2002 ----- Original Message ----- From: "philip raath" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 11:34 AM Subject: Re: repeaters anywhere? > this is all i could find: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=901039682 > > cheers, > > phil > > > ===== > "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what > it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. > It is the knowledge that there can never really be any > peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally > for you too." > -Frederick Buechner > "The jewel is in the lotus." > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 22:45:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30288; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:44:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:44:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D645082.B6BECCE1@friendlyspider.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:47:19 -0500 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looking for sound morphing software References: <000801c2486d$5879d610$6445230a@melon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just stumbled on this morpher....this looks like a real winner ! http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/2002/Plex.html > > Hi, > > > > We are looking for software to do morphing between two sound sources in > the > > way Kyma does (but Kyma is of coulse too expensive). Do someone know about > > other alternatives? > > > > Best wishes > > > > Per Boysen > > __________________________________ > > www.boysen.se > > www.fuzz.se > > www.upsweden.com > > Phone +46 (0)8 341181 > > Mobile +46 (0)70 4416713 > > ¨ > > -- gary @friendlyspider.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 22:55:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31476; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:55:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:55:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: Stereo Effects & EDP Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:55:37 -0500 Message-ID: <018801c24987$64b4ac50$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3D645082.B6BECCE1@friendlyspider.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <79HkOC.A.irH.JKFZ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Most of what I have read about effects routing and the EDP recommend running an effects processor first and then through the EDP. If this is the case then what is needed to say go into an Eclipse effects processor in stereo, come out of the Eclipse and split the signal so that it not only goes back to the main mix bus (aux return, etc.), it also goes into a stereo to mono adapter/combiner of some sort to go into the EDP? Then I guess I will come out the EDP back to the main mix where the original, effects and EDP signals are combined. I am on the right track here, or am I making it too complicated? Kim said that if I were to put the Eclipse at the end of the signal path and apply effects to the dry mix and the EDP return, it would probably get a bit muddy. The main thing about my mix is that everything I have is stereo and can be routed stereo, except for the EDP. I wish I could afford another one and solve my problem that way, but that's not possible right now. Thanks, M. Steven Ginn ******************************** Please go to Listen to the music. Purchase the CD Support the NY Firefighters 9/11 Relief Fund ******************************** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 22:58:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31952; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:57:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:57:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: digiboy@pop-server.nyc.rr.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:10:09 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Mike B (digiboy)" Subject: newbie looper/maybe out of the loop Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all I am completely new to the looping concept and it may be that looping is not really what I want to do. I want to construct rhythm patterns by playing into a loop sampler. I picked up a Line6 Echo Pro locally to try. It's an amazing piece of gear but so far the loop/sampling features are not what I expectedr. There's really no way to control the length of a sampled loop other than to push a button at the start and then again at the end. If I want to drop in an 8 beat phrase and have it repeat, I don't see any way to do that where the loop will hold to the beat. There doesn't seem to be any way to edit the loop time . I was expecting to at least be able to do that with some kind of on-the-fly "recycle" button that would cause the loop to jump back to it's start and then repeat back from wherever that button was pushed. Seems to me that might work. I can think of other ways it could work too. How do people usually do this? It certainly sounds to me like loops are easily being done that keep time with a pre-determined rhythm. Are they using midi? Some other type of loop/sampler that does this? Any advice appreciated . Thanks Mike Berman digiboy@nyc.rr.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 23:07:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01739; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:06:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:06:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <1bc.b9828d2.2a95af0c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:05:48 EDT Subject: LOOPING VENUES To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry about that. Stateside for about seven days. Would be good if locations were in reasonable driving distance of each other. Thanks for all the response! James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 23:18:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03116; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:17:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:17:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:17:21 -0700 Subject: Re: Stereo Effects & EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <018801c24987$64b4ac50$420e88cf@stevespc> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have the same issue. To make matters worse, part of my "style" has become using the Repeater's effects loop to be able to play dry (well, somewhat dry...) into the Repeater, then have only what's in the loop be effected by what's in the effects loop. Very useful. I'm sure the same could be done with two EDPs and a programmable patchbay, but there's not the cash for that right now. Basically, I'm planning on using the EDP for live gigs where stereo isn't an issue, and the Repeater in the studio where it's more effective. I'm still hashing this out. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, August 21, 2002, at 07:55 PM, M. Steven Ginn wrote: > Most of what I have read about effects routing and the EDP recommend > running an effects processor first and then through the EDP. If this is > the case then what is needed to say go into an Eclipse effects processor > in stereo, come out of the Eclipse and split the signal so that it not > only goes back to the main mix bus (aux return, etc.), it also goes into > a stereo to mono adapter/combiner of some sort to go into the EDP? Then > I guess I will come out the EDP back to the main mix where the original, > effects and EDP signals are combined. I am on the right track here, or > am I making it too complicated? Kim said that if I were to put the > Eclipse at the end of the signal path and apply effects to the dry mix > and the EDP return, it would probably get a bit muddy. The main thing > about my mix is that everything I have is stereo and can be routed > stereo, except for the EDP. I wish I could afford another one and solve > my problem that way, but that's not possible right now. > > Thanks, > > M. Steven Ginn > > ******************************** > Please go to > > Listen to the music. > Purchase the CD > Support the NY Firefighters > 9/11 Relief Fund > ******************************** > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 23:27:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04244; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:26:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:26:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Vocals into DL4? Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:26:03 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c2498b$a4d4b380$632f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <00bf01c245d4$635b3420$66effea9@oemcomputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone tried a mic directly into the DL4 via transformers in and out? Is the level high enough to work? Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 21 23:27:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04258; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:26:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:26:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:26:40 -0700 Subject: Re: newbie looper/maybe out of the loop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Welcome to the list. It sounds like looping is exactly what you want to do, but I think the issue you're having is that the Echo Pro is a bit limited in the Looper dept, but great at Echo stuff. We were all dissapointed that the loops did not synch to MIDI. Sounds to me like you'd do well with a Repeater ($499 get'm while they're hot, they've been discontinued) or an Echoplex Digital Pro. ($650) Both will synch the loops to a MIDI clock. If you don't care about the live performance aspects of it all, check out the Roland SP-808 Groove Sampler. I've got a friend that might be selling hers. Are you a DJ or play a traditional instrument? There are also some great software loopers (again, not for performance situations where you're creating the loop by what you play, but have a pre recorded loop you want to trigger/mangle) like Ablton's Live. Go to the http://www.loopersdelight.com and check the "Tools of the Trade" page. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, August 21, 2002, at 08:10 PM, Mike B (digiboy) wrote: > Hi all > > I am completely new to the looping concept and it may be that looping is > not really what I want to do. > I want to construct rhythm patterns by playing into a loop sampler. > > I picked up a Line6 Echo Pro locally to try. It's an amazing piece of > gear > but so far the loop/sampling features are not what I expectedr. > > There's really no way to control the length of a sampled loop other > than to > push a button at the start and then again at the end. If I want to drop > in > an 8 beat phrase and have it repeat, I don't see any way to do that > where > the loop will hold to the beat. There doesn't seem to be any way to > edit > the loop time . I was expecting to at least be able to do that with > some > kind of on-the-fly "recycle" button that would cause the loop to jump > back > to it's start and then repeat back from wherever that button was > pushed. > Seems to me that might work. > I can think of other ways it could work too. > > How do people usually do this? It certainly sounds to me like loops are > easily being done that keep time with a pre-determined rhythm. Are they > using midi? Some other type of loop/sampler that does this? > Any advice appreciated . > Thanks > > > > Mike Berman > digiboy@nyc.rr.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 00:10:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09212; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 00:09:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 00:09:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: digiboy@pop-server.nyc.rr.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 00:22:11 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Mike B (digiboy)" Subject: Re: newbie looper/maybe out of the loop Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Welcome to the list. > >It sounds like looping is exactly what you want to do, but I think the >issue you're having is that the Echo Pro is a bit limited in the Looper >dept, but great at Echo stuff. We were all dissapointed that the loops >did not synch to MIDI. Sounds to me like you'd do well with a Repeater >($499 get'm while they're hot, they've been discontinued) or an Echoplex >Digital Pro. ($650) Both will synch the loops to a MIDI clock. If you >don't care about the live performance aspects of it all, check out the >Roland SP-808 Groove Sampler. Hi Mark, Yes this line6 echo unit is amazing . In fact I may keep it. That still leaves me looking for something that will do the job I wanted it for. I'm a bass-player with an home studio, not a DJ. I have some very old synthesizers and some newer ones too. I'm looking for some way to construct tight rhythm parts but using the old noisemakers Most of this old gear does not use MIDI and I don't really know much about MIDI anyway. Do any of these loop samplers have the ability to synch to beats? I know there is DJ gear for getting turntables to synch up, would seem like a neat feature to somehow use that ability in a looping device.... Mike Berman digiboy@nyc.rr.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 01:13:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15090; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:12:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:12:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D6472F7.B1EB286A@friendlyspider.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 00:14:35 -0500 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: newbie looper/maybe out of the loop References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mike.... If your home studio is computer based, or even if it is a digital, hard-disk based, tabletop workstation, you really should learn enuf MIDI to take advantage of it when it is available. Looping software, such as Ableton's Live or Fruityloops, would be great for building up rhythms using your older gear which doesn't have MIDI sync capability. -- gary @friendlyspider.com > Yes this line6 echo unit is amazing . In fact I may keep it. That still > leaves me looking for something that will do the job I wanted it for. > I'm a bass-player with an home studio, not a DJ. I have some very old > synthesizers and some newer ones too. I'm looking for some way to > construct tight rhythm parts but using the old noisemakers > > Most of this old gear does not use MIDI and I don't really know much about > MIDI anyway. Do any of these loop samplers have the ability to synch to > beats? I know there is DJ gear for getting turntables to synch up, would > seem like a neat feature to somehow use that ability in a looping device.... > > Mike Berman > digiboy@nyc.rr.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 01:15:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15839; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:14:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:14:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:14:23 -0700 Subject: Re: newbie looper/maybe out of the loop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <0541DDF6-B58E-11D6-8C32-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, the Repeater (if you can still find one) or the Echoplex are exactly what you're looking for. If you go to the Loopers profile page, you can find lot's of links with people doing exactly what you're talking about. I have tracks with stuff made with a JamMan (an older MIDI synchable looping device) and the Repeater at http://www.mp3.com/0crossing. Almost all multi track software will put out a midi clock, as will most drum machines made after 1983. The Echoplex puts out MIDI clock, that other things (like the Echo Pro) can synch too, the Repeater is supposed to, but your mileage may vary. (some devices will have no problem, others can't deal with it's clock) Both devices are great, similar in some ways, and very different in others. Again, you might want to search the archives for Echoplex, EDP and Repeater. I think the Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP) may be the only hardware looper currently in production that will synch to a MIDI clock, as well as put out a MIDI clock. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, August 21, 2002, at 09:22 PM, Mike B (digiboy) wrote: >> Welcome to the list. >> >> It sounds like looping is exactly what you want to do, but I think the >> issue you're having is that the Echo Pro is a bit limited in the Looper >> dept, but great at Echo stuff. We were all dissapointed that the loops >> did not synch to MIDI. Sounds to me like you'd do well with a Repeater >> ($499 get'm while they're hot, they've been discontinued) or an >> Echoplex >> Digital Pro. ($650) Both will synch the loops to a MIDI clock. If you >> don't care about the live performance aspects of it all, check out the >> Roland SP-808 Groove Sampler. > > Hi Mark, > > Yes this line6 echo unit is amazing . In fact I may keep it. That > still > leaves me looking for something that will do the job I wanted it for. > I'm a bass-player with an home studio, not a DJ. I have some very old > synthesizers and some newer ones too. I'm looking for some way to > construct tight rhythm parts but using the old noisemakers > > Most of this old gear does not use MIDI and I don't really know much > about > MIDI anyway. Do any of these loop samplers have the ability to synch to > beats? I know there is DJ gear for getting turntables to synch up, would > seem like a neat feature to somehow use that ability in a looping > device.... > > Mike Berman > digiboy@nyc.rr.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 01:16:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16247; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:16:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:16:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020821231711.00852720@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:17:11 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Santanas looping bassist In-Reply-To: References: <200208211429.g7LETdcJ009522@well.com> <200208211429.g7LETdcJ009522@well.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I actually think alot of guitarists in particular don't even like longer delays. One reason for this might be a fear factor at the idea of having what one plays repeated back at them instantaneously in a large enough part so that it now becomes like listening to one's self from a tape or recording device rather than just playing. This could be fear of making a mistake which then gets repeated back to them, or the idea of tape shyness, which tends, however to go away, with more experience. Another possible point of contention might be that the guitarist might feel they need to wait for the delayed loop to finish before playing again, since they may be used to simply playing a single line in a steady stream. -and may feel that adding more sound might be somewhat confusing or hard to follow. -just my thoughts... Smiles, CQ At 01:48 AM 8/22/02 +0200, you wrote: >>Matthias writes, re Santanas bassist: >> >>"I just dont understand why thousands of musicians that see this work >>dont walk into a shop next day to ask for the machine he used... >>-- >> >>I'll be damned if I know. And what's more, I have no idea why Carlos >>hasn't warmed to the idea. We showed him the EDP, the Repeater and the >>RC20. Nothing clicked. >> >>Neal Schon is a loop junkie, but most of the hot guitarists I know just >>don't get it. > >Oh, Rik >I heard a lot about you, the one that demoes looping a lot and with >competence, right? I wanted to meet you because you probably know >better than anybody else, why people dont go for it! > >I can easily imagine that someone like Carlos that already made his >way and stile dont feel inclined to learn a new way of playing. >I also imagine that a bigger part of the musicians are not interested >because they >- dont want gear >- have no money >- only play scores >- dont want to follow the speed of a machine >- play piano... (what other instruments are not so interesting to loop?) >But I imagine that for at least 10% of the 1st worlds musicians none >of this applies. >And a resonable part of those must have heard some musician looping >nicely, at the Santana show for example. Hundreds of thousands of >potential loopers. >How many of those make the effort to have a closer look at the thing? >What do they say when they turn away although they understood your demo? >How many buy one, once they understood? >How many are unable to do it and give up? > >We are a lot more than 100 monkies doing it for decades... ;-) > >I just dont understand what is so strange about it, since it seems >rather easy to make a sound through looping that is pleasant if not >phantastic for any listener, no? > >I would love to listen to your experience with the "average" musician! > >Thank you >Matthias >-- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 01:26:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17559; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:26:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:26:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020821232709.0084b730@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:27:09 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Vocals into DL4? In-Reply-To: <000c01c2498b$a4d4b380$632f04d1@home> References: <00bf01c245d4$635b3420$66effea9@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <6vtA-.A.XRE.eXHZ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I haven't tried it directly, but I'd assume that after using an impedance adapter it would probably work fine. It seems to work OK at instrument level. -Best of luck... Smiles, Cara At 11:26 PM 8/21/02 -0400, you wrote: >Has anyone tried a mic directly into the DL4 via transformers in and >out? Is the level high enough to work? > >Dave Eichenberger >http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 01:34:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18408; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:34:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:34:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020821233500.00852590@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:35:00 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: newbie looper/maybe out of the loop In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mike, as far as hardware loopers, the Repeater can synch to beats. I'm not sure if the new edp (Echoplex Digital Pro) software enables it to or not... -Nice to have you with us, -have a great night... Smiles, CQ At 12:22 AM 8/22/02 -0400, you wrote: >>Welcome to the list. >> >>It sounds like looping is exactly what you want to do, but I think the >>issue you're having is that the Echo Pro is a bit limited in the Looper >>dept, but great at Echo stuff. We were all dissapointed that the loops >>did not synch to MIDI. Sounds to me like you'd do well with a Repeater >>($499 get'm while they're hot, they've been discontinued) or an Echoplex >>Digital Pro. ($650) Both will synch the loops to a MIDI clock. If you >>don't care about the live performance aspects of it all, check out the >>Roland SP-808 Groove Sampler. > >Hi Mark, > >Yes this line6 echo unit is amazing . In fact I may keep it. That still >leaves me looking for something that will do the job I wanted it for. >I'm a bass-player with an home studio, not a DJ. I have some very old >synthesizers and some newer ones too. I'm looking for some way to >construct tight rhythm parts but using the old noisemakers > >Most of this old gear does not use MIDI and I don't really know much about >MIDI anyway. Do any of these loop samplers have the ability to synch to >beats? I know there is DJ gear for getting turntables to synch up, would >seem like a neat feature to somehow use that ability in a looping device.... > >Mike Berman >digiboy@nyc.rr.com > > > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 01:36:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18842; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:36:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:36:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D641A09.1C6D@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:54:01 +0000 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Saturdays workshop? References: <00bf01c245d4$635b3420$66effea9@oemcomputer> <3.0.5.32.20020821232709.0084b730@pop.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Could someone please post the information on the EDP workshop this saturday ? It looks like I will be able to attend:) THANKS From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 01:44:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19681; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:44:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:44:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D6415DD.392D2194@ubuibi.org> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:36:13 +0000 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Reewbie looper o o loop References: <3.0.5.32.20020821233500.00852590@pop.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just get a four track open reel.... perhaps build long arms for the reels.... and a foot switch....... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 01:52:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20436; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:52:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:52:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001c249a0$d55afc20$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <20020820160538.26214.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> <1029845298.1572.46.camel@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Re: more loopfests Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:57:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's a cool idea -- get permits for all over Harvard Square. And stage the looping there. Has anyone played in Harvard Square? What's the process for permits from Cambridge? David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Lomas" To: "LD Mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 8:08 AM Subject: Re: more loopfests > While I will agree that Boulder is a pretty town, it is not Boston :P. > > Anyone else between Boston, NYC, and Philly think it would be a good > idea to do a fest up this way? How bout we get permits for all of the > outdoor playing spots in Harvard Square and see if we can turn some > people onfor a day or two? I'm sure we could get local traction in the > Globe and Pheonix. > > Jeff > > On Tue, 2002-08-20 at 12:05, Bret wrote: > > No date nor venue has been established. We are seeing how much > > interest there is, and how many loopers we have locally and how many > > would travel here. > > Thanks for the response! Boulder is a beautiful place. > > bret > > --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 8/19/02 7:47:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > > echoplex@yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > 'Would you come to a loopfest in Boulder, Colorado, > > > > USA?' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you bet!.....in fact, i got my very first passport today which i > > > believe is > > > good for 10 years so i can also freak out abroad.....when is this > > > cololoop?.....with all the fires, floods, freakiness.....tempus > > > fugit.....michael > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > > http://www.hotjobs.com > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 01:56:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20859; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:55:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:55:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:54:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Elio DeLuca Subject: Re: more loopfests In-reply-to: <004001c249a0$d55afc20$0affff0a@hppav> X-X-Sender: To: Loopers Delight Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Let's do a loopfest at the newly reopened Zeitgeist Gallery in Cambridge. I thought of this earlier in the year, but then the old space burned down.... I currently book a new music series there, first Sunday of every month. We could probably have our own weekend, if we wanted. And press would be possible, my series has been getting decent press, and if there's a bunch of folks working on it..... Whaddaya think? E.D. On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, David wrote: > Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:57:43 -0400 > From: David > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: more loopfests > Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:52:11 -0400 > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > There's a cool idea -- get permits for all over Harvard Square. And stage > the looping there. > > Has anyone played in Harvard Square? What's the process for permits from > Cambridge? > > David > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 02:00:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23039; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 02:00:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 02:00:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009401c249a1$f9698680$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: digitech echoplus $150 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 02:05:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a way cool pedal when it's all working fine... Highly recommended. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Blum" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 9:06 PM Subject: fs: digitech echoplus $150 > > Digitech Echoplus 8 second looping device. 3 play modes (sample, trigger and > delay with infinite repeat). You can toggle the pitch, producing Frisell's > squiggles of sound, by changing the delay time. They don't make them like > this anymore. > > See pictures and the manual online at > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/digitechPDS/digi_pds.html > > With original box, no manual or power supply (takes a 9v). > > $150 + shipping > payment through paypal or COD > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 02:11:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24118; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 02:11:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 02:11:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016701c249a3$7d74d1e0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: more loopfests Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 02:16:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Elio - We could move revive The Boston Looper's Collective there at the Zeitgeist. I think I got up to number VIII at The Middle East downstairs while I was getting them together from 1998-2000 -- must of had 20 different people overtime -- therein, dig, guitar, lock, violin, drums, bass, voice, flute, keys, turntables, even a looping chamber orchestra (now that was a sight to see!). Is the gallery in the same location off Norfolk street? David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elio DeLuca" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 1:54 AM Subject: Re: more loopfests > Let's do a loopfest at the newly reopened Zeitgeist Gallery in Cambridge. > I thought of this earlier in the year, but then the old space burned > down.... > > I currently book a new music series there, first Sunday of every month. We > could probably have our own weekend, if we wanted. And press would be > possible, my series has been getting decent press, and if there's a bunch > of folks working on it..... > > Whaddaya think? > > E.D. > > > On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, David wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:57:43 -0400 > > From: David > > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: more loopfests > > Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:52:11 -0400 > > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > There's a cool idea -- get permits for all over Harvard Square. And stage > > the looping there. > > > > Has anyone played in Harvard Square? What's the process for permits from > > Cambridge? > > > > David > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 02:48:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26625; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 02:47:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 02:47:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:46:37 -0700 Subject: Re: Reewbie looper o o loop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3D6415DD.392D2194@ubuibi.org> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh Das, with your primitive technology. Just get your ass over and I'll let you input something into my Echoplex Digital Pro. You know you want to. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, August 21, 2002, at 03:36 PM, das wrote: > > just get a four track open reel.... > > perhaps build long arms for the reels.... > > and a foot switch....... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 03:18:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29550; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 03:09:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 03:09:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D6429AB.38C771E2@ubuibi.org> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 00:00:44 +0000 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reewbie looper o o loop References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oh, i like the more physical aspect of it. i'll have to get out the picture of the 55 gallon drun covered with 2" recorded tape stock, rotating. played it with tape heads mounted on boom stands Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Oh Das, with your primitive technology. Just get your ass over and I'll > let you input something into my Echoplex Digital Pro. You know you want > to. > > > > On Wednesday, August 21, 2002, at 03:36 PM, das wrote: > > > > > just get a four track open reel.... > > > > perhaps build long arms for the reels.... > > > > and a foot switch....... > > Hey, Welcome to the Looper list. BTW, you might be interested in the fact that Line 6 just knocked all it's pro modelers prices down to $300. The Delay Pro is the rack mounted version of the thing that Russ was looping with last time we played. Zzounds has them. I want the MOD and Filter Pro bad! -i'll go look at 'em Broke down and bought a AirSynth. Fuck yeah baby. Nice. Very fun. Too hip for prime time. -they take a while to get the hang of, a real instrument, not just an effect box. While I was breaking down, I brought my Guitar in to a PRO for the Sustainiac installation when I got to the point where I realized that contrary to Sustainiac's advise, I'd need to start routing to fit the battery in. Should have it back in a week. -urrrrrrr, routers....... Are we playing this sunday? Let me know, eh? =ya ya From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 03:58:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA32733; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 03:55:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 03:55:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.113.4.21] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Andre Lafosse in SF tomorrow Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 00:53:55 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2002 07:53:56.0270 (UTC) FILETIME=[10FAB4E0:01C249B1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Bay Area loopers, Andre Lafosse, who wowed all present at the Y2K2 festival in Santa Cruz last month has a show tonight (thursday) at 509 Cultural Center. It's on Ellis at the corner of Leavenworth. This is part of the "Creative Music Thursdays" series that's usually at the Luggage Store. It's pretty rare for them to have a looping artist. Matt Davignon _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 04:17:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03361; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 04:17:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 04:17:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.225.127.60] From: "mark francombe" To: References: Subject: Re: Stereo Effects & EDP Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:23:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2002 08:16:14.0448 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E987700:01C249B4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A very simerlar setup to me Mark, but its kind of annoying that i have to dedicate certain effects to the Repeaters FX loop and then not have them available for NON loop material, thinking now of using the Repeater 4 channel-out option to my desk, but suspect that i will get into a right old mess with pre fade and post fade issues. Does anyone make a mixer where the Aux sends are neither Pre or Post but operate more like a DJ mix fader, IE:one end completely dry, one end completely wet, but main fader operating as per usual with Vol... Suggested it before and it went down like a lead balloon, but would like to see in diagrammatical form, the routing/setups of peoples rigs... Using Microsoft Visio we could all make simerlar drawing that would be very usful for the archives methinks, MArk Red ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 5:17 AM Subject: Re: Stereo Effects & EDP > I have the same issue. To make matters worse, part of my "style" has > become using the Repeater's effects loop to be able to play dry (well, > somewhat dry...) into the Repeater, then have only what's in the loop be > effected by what's in the effects loop. Very useful. I'm sure the same > could be done with two EDPs and a programmable patchbay, but there's not > the cash for that right now. > > Basically, I'm planning on using the EDP for live gigs where stereo > isn't an issue, and the Repeater in the studio where it's more > effective. I'm still hashing this out. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Wednesday, August 21, 2002, at 07:55 PM, M. Steven Ginn wrote: > > > Most of what I have read about effects routing and the EDP recommend > > running an effects processor first and then through the EDP. If this is > > the case then what is needed to say go into an Eclipse effects processor > > in stereo, come out of the Eclipse and split the signal so that it not > > only goes back to the main mix bus (aux return, etc.), it also goes into > > a stereo to mono adapter/combiner of some sort to go into the EDP? Then > > I guess I will come out the EDP back to the main mix where the original, > > effects and EDP signals are combined. I am on the right track here, or > > am I making it too complicated? Kim said that if I were to put the > > Eclipse at the end of the signal path and apply effects to the dry mix > > and the EDP return, it would probably get a bit muddy. The main thing > > about my mix is that everything I have is stereo and can be routed > > stereo, except for the EDP. I wish I could afford another one and solve > > my problem that way, but that's not possible right now. > > > > Thanks, > > > > M. Steven Ginn > > > > ******************************** > > Please go to > > > > Listen to the music. > > Purchase the CD > > Support the NY Firefighters > > 9/11 Relief Fund > > ******************************** > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 04:34:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA05019; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 04:34:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 04:34:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020822013529.0373e7f0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:36:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Saturdays workshop? In-Reply-To: <3D641A09.1C6D@earthlink.net> References: <00bf01c245d4$635b3420$66effea9@oemcomputer> <3.0.5.32.20020821232709.0084b730@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:54 PM 8/21/2002, scott kungha drengsen wrote: >Could someone please post the information on the EDP workshop this >saturday ? It looks like I will be able to attend:) >THANKS here you go, see you Saturday! >2) Bay Area Echoplex Open Session with Andre LaFosse > >Saturday, August 24 >3150 Adeline St., Oakland, CA >2:00 PM until 6:00 - ish (or whenever everyone leaves) >$5 - $10 suggested donation > >A clinic, a hang, an open forum, and maybe more, hosted by Andre LaFosse >and Kim Flint. The idea is for any interested parties to show up, and >we'll bat around ideas, answer questions, demonstrate approaches, attempt >to demystify >any mystification which may exist, and basically compare notes on the EDP >and looping in general. > >If anyone's interested in bringing their own EDP and instrument(s) along >to do some playing and get some specific >feedback/critiques/praise/suggestions from folks there, I think that'd be >great. If you want to play but doesn't have your own speaker enclosures, >let Kim know so that he can see about procuring a PA for the day. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 05:40:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA11283; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 05:40:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 05:40:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f201c249c0$029a2480$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <75634756.61E280BF.0017F279@aol.com> <75634756.61E280BF.0017F279@aol.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020821140359.03496770@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Looping Venues Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:28:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 22:09 PM Subject: Re: Looping Venues > At 01:19 PM 8/21/2002, Richard Zvonar wrote: > >At 1:23 PM -0400 8/21/02, Jhsidlo@aol.com wrote: > >> Hello everybody, I'm James Sidlo and I loop and process baritone > >> guitar. I'm looking for looping venues to perform at around the third > >> week of September. > > > >Rothko Chapel in Houston > >Brooklyn Bridge Anchorage > >Upper Quarry Amphitheater at UC Santa Cruz > >The Pantheon in Rome > >Meteor Crater Arizona > > There's the artist in residence program in Antarctica. You just have to be > prepared to be stuck there for half the year until the ice thaws, but at > least you have a captive audience of weather scientists and penguins. I > think Henry Kaiser did this. I saw a picture of him using the actual south > pole as a slide on his guitar. Sitting on the south pole would be sort of > like looping. If that's the only requirement color me there! It's just that the high-speed access isn't planned to be there until 2009...! Besides it'd be fun to be able to say I've played more at the South Pole in 6 months than in two years in London... :P S. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 05:40:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA11282; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 05:40:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 05:40:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f101c249c0$01bff120$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <75634756.61E280BF.0017F279@aol.com> <00e001c24952$498516c0$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Re: Looping Venues Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:21:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 21:49 PM Subject: Re: Looping Venues > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Richard Zvonar" > > > >> At 1:23 PM -0400 8/21/02, Jhsidlo@aol.com wrote: > >> > Hello everybody, I'm James Sidlo and I loop and process baritone > >> >guitar. I'm looking for looping venues to perform at around the > >> >third week of September. > >> > >> Rothko Chapel in Houston > >> Brooklyn Bridge Anchorage > >> Upper Quarry Amphitheater at UC Santa Cruz > >> The Pantheon in Rome > >> Meteor Crater Arizona > > > >I always thought the Taj Mahal would be interesting. > > What about Grand Central Station? And you *can* actually book that space! How much? Imagine the reverb! A cool place for sound fx is the overhead walkway at the Hampstead tube station in London, on the Northern Line. There's this great corner of the walkway where I always think about playing, when I pass through. Great reverb for such a small space, and there's a spot out of the way of the flow. Hmm. Stephen P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Free Loop of the Week! http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack.html - More Cartoons! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 06:09:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14798; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 06:09:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 06:09:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: EDP mayhem on MIDI command --> bug? Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:08:29 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_td6YC.A.8mD.9gLZ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Have others experienced these probs with midi note number controlling of the EDP? Last night I was using my Behringer FCB1010 to send midi note on 53 to my EDO (SUSRoundedInsert). This started an explosion of noise from the output. The phenomenon is reproduceble here. Any ideas? Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com Phone +46 (0)8 341181 Mobile +46 (0)70 4416713 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 08:12:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25523; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:11:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:11:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Stereo Effects & EDP Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:11:09 -0500 Message-ID: <01a001c249d4$ffedbca0$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes it sure would be nice to see diagrams of peoples rigs. For me, everything in my rig is stereo except for the EDP. I would prefer to not have to switch between mono & stereo when I move from live to studio which is why I initially opted for stereo to begin with. In fact when playing live, I give myself a stereo monitor mix and just send a mono signal to the house. But, the EDP is still a wrinkle in the mix. I have Repeater but frankly have decided that because it has the glitch/bump that shows up with ambient loops, it is unusable for live play and is not nearly as flexible as the EDP. All my synths have effects of their own (except the Nord Micro) so I guess I could rely on those effects for EDP loop creation. I just would prefer to be able to use my Eclipse to be able to process both the pre-loop material and my main signal, but in a way so that everything doesn't turn to mush. Steve > > A very simerlar setup to me Mark, but its kind of annoying > that i have to dedicate certain effects to the Repeaters FX > loop and then not have them available for NON loop material, > thinking now of using the Repeater 4 channel-out option to my > desk, but suspect that i will get into a right old mess with > pre fade and post fade issues. Does anyone make a mixer where > the Aux sends are neither Pre or Post but operate more like a > DJ mix fader, IE:one end completely dry, one end completely > wet, but main fader operating as per usual with Vol... > > Suggested it before and it went down like a lead balloon, but > would like to see in diagrammatical form, the routing/setups > of peoples rigs... Using Microsoft Visio we could all make > simerlar drawing that would be very usful for the archives methinks, > > MArk Red > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 5:17 AM > Subject: Re: Stereo Effects & EDP > > > > I have the same issue. To make matters worse, part of my > "style" has > > become using the Repeater's effects loop to be able to play > dry (well, > > somewhat dry...) into the Repeater, then have only what's > in the loop > > be effected by what's in the effects loop. Very useful. > I'm sure the > > same could be done with two EDPs and a programmable patchbay, but > > there's not the cash for that right now. > > > > Basically, I'm planning on using the EDP for live gigs where stereo > > isn't an issue, and the Repeater in the studio where it's more > > effective. I'm still hashing this out. > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > On Wednesday, August 21, 2002, at 07:55 PM, M. Steven Ginn wrote: > > > > > Most of what I have read about effects routing and the > EDP recommend > > > running an effects processor first and then through the EDP. If > > > this is the case then what is needed to say go into an Eclipse > > > effects processor in stereo, come out of the Eclipse and > split the > > > signal so that it not only goes back to the main mix bus (aux > > > return, etc.), it also goes into a stereo to mono > adapter/combiner > > > of some sort to go into the EDP? Then I guess I will > come out the > > > EDP back to the main mix where the original, effects and > EDP signals > > > are combined. I am on the right track here, or am I > making it too > > > complicated? Kim said that if I were to put the Eclipse > at the end > > > of the signal path and apply effects to the dry mix and the EDP > > > return, it would probably get a bit muddy. The main > thing about my > > > mix is that everything I have is stereo and can be routed stereo, > > > except for the EDP. I wish I could afford another one > and solve my > > > problem that way, but that's not possible right now. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > M. Steven Ginn > > > > > > ******************************** > > > Please go to > > > > > > Listen to the music. > > > Purchase the CD > > > Support the NY Firefighters > > > 9/11 Relief Fund > > > ******************************** > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 09:45:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA32381; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:44:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:44:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: Newbie questions Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 06:43:37 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c249e1$eaf26aa0$dcfaec0c@ATTBI.COM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200208221331.JAA31455@hemlock.violacea.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Help me? 1. What counts as a LOOP? 2. Does Acid Pro 3.0 (registered, legal, with nonstandard loops or self-created loops) get any respect here? If so can I point people to my mp3.com page with high-quality Acid-Pro-based songs, without getting heckled? 3. Sound cards that have standard microphone jacks? 4. Will someone make music from a loop of my sister's cat? I swear to God he was trying to sing! 5. PCs with whisper-quiet (or silent) hard drives? Philip Raath - I love your quotation. You are the ONE. Meaning, you made my day. Regards, MIKO From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 10:25:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04477; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:24:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:24:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <1a8.737318c.2a964df1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:23:45 EDT Subject: Re: Santanas looping bassist To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>Matthias writes, re Santanas bassist: >>> >>>"I just dont understand why thousands of musicians that see this work >>>dont walk into a shop next day to ask for the machine he used... my quick response to this..... education/conceptual familiarity: they masses have no idea what is happening, so don't know what question to ask. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 10:43:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05920; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:43:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:43:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:41:54 EDT Subject: Re: Stereo Effects & EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mark_francombe@hotmail.com writes: >Does anyone make a mixer where the >Aux sends are neither Pre or Post but operate more like a DJ mix fader, >IE:one end completely dry, one end completely wet, but main fader operating >as per usual with Vol... unless i misunderstand you, you are indeed describing a pre-fader send. ??? ..... which is what i generally use. various diagrams of my various set-ups are posted many times over the years, already, i think. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 10:55:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06848; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:54:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:54:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <35.2bb61660.2a9654ec@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:53:32 EDT Subject: Re: Stereo Effects & EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 8/21/2002 10:55:24 PM, sginn@airmail.net writes: >Most of what I have read about effects routing and the EDP recommend >running an effects processor first and then through the EDP. huh? in that case, you lose the stereo image of the stereo processors..... which is interesting, but. if you want to loop the fx of your eclipse in stereo, then you'll need 2 edp's post-eclipse. if your stereo image is being created by the eclipse, then you could have the edp inserted before the eclipse. maybe i misunderstand, again, though. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 10:58:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07494; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:57:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:57:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020822145723.11224.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:57:23 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: openloop this saturday To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200208220556.BAA21312@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com looking forward to seeing whoever shows up from the list at chama this saturday...i'll be the dork in the looper's delight t-shirt... have fun, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 11:27:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11554; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:26:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:26:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: <51.22cf9a34.2a965c78@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:25:44 EDT Subject: Re: openloop this saturday To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_51.22cf9a34.2a965c78_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 563 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_51.22cf9a34.2a965c78_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi phil - i'm sorry i won't be there to meet you on saturday, but i think tom has enough of me recorded into his various devices that i will be there in fact as well as in spirit - i hope you enjoy your trip to ny - see you next time - harry --part1_51.22cf9a34.2a965c78_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi phil - i'm sorry i won't be there to meet you on saturday, but i think tom has enough of me recorded into his various devices that i will be there in fact as well as in spirit - i hope you enjoy your trip to ny - see you next time - harry --part1_51.22cf9a34.2a965c78_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 11:27:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11754; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:27:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:27:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [80.203.45.38] From: "mark francombe" To: References: Subject: Re: Stereo Effects & EDP Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:40:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2002 15:26:11.0348 (UTC) FILETIME=[3EBF0540:01C249F0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Does anyone make a mixer where the > >Aux sends are neither Pre or Post but operate more like a DJ mix fader, > >IE:one end completely dry, one end completely wet, but main fader operating > >as per usual with Vol... > unless i misunderstand you, you are indeed describing a pre-fader send. > ??? Ahhh! No you are not misunderstanding me... I just explained very badly. With a prefader send you would have to turn down main fader to get total wet, so in effect you have to turn (+fade) 2 controls to adjust overall volume, or put it another way to fade a signal/guitar thru a, lets say, filter factory, you would first turn up pre fade send AND THEN fade down main fader to make completely wet. What I am descibing would have a ...um er... INPUT level fader to control TOTAL volume of that signal AND a send that would be dry at one end and wet at the other... subtle difference maybe, but to introduce filtering or mangling of any kind that required a wet sig (vortex also) you could just grab one knob and WHANG! > ..... which is what i generally use. > various diagrams of my various set-ups are posted many times over the years, > already, i think. any ideas where? your site? LD archive? looking.. > best, > dt / splattercell > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 11:41:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13160; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:41:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:41:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:40:56 -0700 Subject: Re: Stereo Effects & EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <8C9494A2-B5E5-11D6-8C32-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 01:23 AM, mark francombe wrote: > A very simerlar setup to me Mark, but its kind of annoying that i have > to > dedicate certain effects to the Repeaters FX loop and then not have > them > available for NON loop material, Well, you can place the effect loop at the input, so it won't effect the loop. The other possibility is to dedicate a second processor to your non loop material. I use the Electrix MoFX and Warp Factory for that. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 12:12:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16360; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:11:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:11:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: Santanas looping bassist Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:09:49 -0500 Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CF98@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Santanas looping bassist Thread-Index: AcJJ9JQWptmLHcu+QCmNJcEHY1ZJ0QAAXngg From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA16214 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com they masses have no idea what is happening, so don't know what question to ask. ** absolutely. also consider that even people on this list want to know which looper santana's bass player or trilok gurtu are using - - people want to associate what people do or their sound with their gear. same thing with people coming on and asking about what frisell or torn or fripp or nels cline are using. it comes down to "i heard this sound, how can i get it/approximate it too?" . . . that (if you wanted to deal with it) would be the benefit of the endorsement angle. (sorta like having andre do a vid, it puts a face and a sound on the cold piece of machinery.) stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 12:21:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17666; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:21:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:21:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <90.2ad464e2.2a96694c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:20:28 EDT Subject: Re: Stereo Effects & EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mark_francombe@hotmail.com writes: >Ahhh! No you are not misunderstanding me... I just explained very badly. >With a prefader send you would have to turn down main fader to get total >wet, so in effect you have to turn (+fade) 2 controls to adjust overall >volume, or put it another way to fade a signal/guitar thru a, lets say, >filter factory, you would first turn up pre fade send AND THEN fade down >main fader to make completely wet. What I am descibing would have a ...um >er... INPUT level fader to control TOTAL volume of that signal AND a send >that would be dry at one end and wet at the other... subtle difference >maybe, but to introduce filtering or mangling of any kind that required >a >wet sig (vortex also) you could just grab one knob and WHANG! i wrote up and pitched a dj-style fx-mixer (w/various x-fade busses) to mackie and rane, a few years ago, to no avail..... whatabout dedicated midi-controls for wet/dry balance, after a pre-fader send? >> ..... which is what i generally use. >> various diagrams of my various set-ups are posted many times over the >years, >> already, i think. >any ideas where? your site? LD archive? looking.. ld archive? guitar player magazine? guitar world magazine? davidtorn@yahoogroups.com? the videos? somewhere, i think..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 12:22:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18254; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:22:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:22:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:21:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Elio DeLuca Subject: Re: more loopfests In-reply-to: <016701c249a3$7d74d1e0$0affff0a@hppav> X-X-Sender: To: Loopers Delight Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The gallery is now located on Cambridge St. in Inman Square, in a much bigger and better space than before. zeitgeist-gallery.org Site for my series: http://aim.telepathyrecords.com The looper's collective sounds great! Let's discuss further. Email me off-list when you can. Also, how many of you on here would be interested in performing, were we to put together some Loopfest-type thing? (For those of you who emailed about bookings, I'll have a better idea of where things stand at the beginning of next week. I'll email you privately with info) Elio On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, David wrote: > Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 02:16:44 -0400 > From: David > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: more loopfests > Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 02:11:18 -0400 > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Elio - > > We could move revive The Boston Looper's Collective there at the Zeitgeist. > I think I got up to number VIII at The Middle East downstairs while I was > getting them together from 1998-2000 -- must of had 20 different people > overtime -- therein, dig, guitar, lock, violin, drums, bass, voice, flute, > keys, turntables, even a looping chamber orchestra (now that was a sight to > see!). > > Is the gallery in the same location off Norfolk street? > > David > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 12:33:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19634; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:32:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:32:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:28:55 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: acf/LA Technology Salon this Sunday, August 25 X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: TechSalon@zvonar.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com acf/LA proudly presents the ============================= FIRST acf/LA TECHNOLOGY SALON ============================= Sunday, AUGUST 25th, 2002, 2 - 5 pm at ROCCO in Hollywood 6320 Santa Monica Blvd. (at Whose Cafe) (West of Vine, on the South side of Santa Monica Blvd.) FREE ADMISSION ($5 suggested donation) Ample street parking ==================== LIVE DIGITAL LOOPING ==================== With presentations by Richard ZVONAR - the history of looping and delay processing http://www.zvonar.com Andre LaFOSSE - the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Turntablist guitarist http://www.altruistmusic.com/ Peter FREEMAN - the Electrix Repeater Composer/bassist with Jon Hassell, L. Shankar, Seal, et al. Carl STONE - Max/MSP on the Macintosh PowerBook Composer/live computer musician http://www.sukothai.com/ Moderated by: Richard ZVONAR ========================================================== The acf/LA Technology Salons - by COMPOSERS for COMPOSERS: Presenting today's music and audio technologies from a Composer's perspective. For more info call the acf/LA office at (562) 464-6644, or e-mail Richard Zvonar at -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 12:49:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20982; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:43:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:43:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <104.1a89e3f5.2a966eb1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:43:29 EDT Subject: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA20934 Resent-Message-ID: <3Xll4.A.YHF._SRZ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com matthias, you said something about product endorsements being old-school & boring, or something much like that..... personally, i think that endorsements can be very useful & more than a little practical, when: 1) they reflect real useage, 2) the market niche is well-defined, and 3) they are pursued w/some long-range plan w/educational depth, especially and most specifically in regards to 'hidden' instruments..... such as the edp. (this is certainly the repeat of a discussion that i began having w/both kim and the then-not-ready-for-committment-folks-at-gibson, when the edp was first released, after the failure of lexicon higher-up execs to stick w/a long-range plan for marketing the jamman). with a hidden *player's* instrument like the edp ---(ie, the instrument is being used intensively, but the audience can't *see* either it or the player's direct interaction with it ---eg, benny reitveld at the santana performance --- unlike a les paul/a dw drumkit/or even a waldorf synth etc)--- it seems that such endorsements might even be necessary; my strongest suggestion, those years ago and *still*, would be to follow up the endorsement w/a series of **regular** looping clinic-tours sponsored by the manufacturer, w/instructional videos (or whatever) made available for sale (but, free-of-charge to salesfolk at the retail level), also by the manufacturer. of course, in my own case, gibson dropped the planning-ball many, many moons ago; though: i made myself available, for whatever that might have been worth ---(not very much to them, obviously, i guess!)--- ..... and left the door wide open, w/absolutely no response from any business-planning folk at gibson/trace/gibson. that little bit off my hairy chest: i'm sooooo very glad to see that andré/kim/etc have (rightfully, as andré is such a rocking edp-badass) begun a new forward-thrust, on their own initiative. so, regarding looping-devices, i guess i'd opine that some truthful endorsements might be --- at least, eventually--- more than a bit valuable to a manufacturer interested in (and capable of actuating) longer-range planning. if the manufacturers want people to buy the product, but folks a) don't have an idea of what-it-is, and b) are clueless as to how they might use it, themselves, well..... the word must go out, somehow --- i guess that's what LD is for, eh? --- and i'm led to speculate that the manufacturers, themselves, tend to lose deeply via their lack of marketing commitment/planning vis-a-vis looping instruments. just ruminating..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 12:52:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21901; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:51:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:51:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.213.101.18] From: "Dan Jones" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New member Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:50:43 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2002 16:50:43.0715 (UTC) FILETIME=[0E1CCD30:01C249FC] Resent-Message-ID: <4P7wuD.A.tVF.DaRZ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi There I'll been lurking here for a while and I thought it was time to take the plunge and join. I wouldn't say I'm the world's most proficient looper but I have a burgeoning interest in live looping. I've played at the Open Loop Saturday in NYC when I get a chance. I'm the bald guitarist in the corner with a bunch of loud stomp boxes and the loud shirts for anyone that's been been there recently. I'm a pretty lo-tech kind of looper. I use standard 6 strings, a baritone and a mini guitar/lap steel thing. My favorite looping device is a ZVEX lo-fi looper (for the lop-sided wobble thing it does). I'd also like to find a Digitech PDS-8000. BTW, on the EHX 16 second delay, I have a friend who freelances for EH and he is always trying to get them to reissue it, he's mocked up versions with longer delay times for them but apparently they feel like the Line 6 DL4 has killed the market for the 16-second. I wonder if its worth emailing EH en masse and letting them know there is a market for this box (maybe y'all have done this already). Anyway, hello again Dan _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 12:55:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22556; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:54:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:54:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: New member Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:53:23 -0500 Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CF9F@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: New member Thread-Index: AcJJ/FbX4PKW0by7THmVqWuTDUxCSQAAFqdQ From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA22521 Resent-Message-ID: <56zUEB.A.IgF.TdRZ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com BTW, on the EHX 16 second delay, I have a friend who freelances for EH and he is always trying to get them to reissue it, he's mocked up versions with longer delay times for them but apparently they feel like the Line 6 DL4 has killed the market for the 16-second. ** my guess is that they may be quite mistaken. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 13:06:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24901; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:05:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:05:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020822105337.008535e0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:53:37 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Newbie questions In-Reply-To: <000901c249e1$eaf26aa0$dcfaec0c@ATTBI.COM> References: <200208221331.JAA31455@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OH MY GOD!, I'd love to make a loop of your sister's cat! -are you serious?!!! lol! As far as what a loop is, you can probably find a whole lot of commentary on the LD website, or the archives here. As for me, I think of it, in it's simplest form, as simply a repetition of something, which can probably get into a whole bunch of loop philosophy and debate here. Have a great day!... Smiles, Cara At 06:43 AM 8/22/02 -0700, you wrote: >Help me? > >1. What counts as a LOOP? > >2. Does Acid Pro 3.0 (registered, legal, with nonstandard loops or >self-created loops) get any respect here? If so can I point people to >my mp3.com page with high-quality Acid-Pro-based songs, without getting >heckled? > >3. Sound cards that have standard microphone jacks? > >4. Will someone make music from a loop of my sister's cat? I swear to >God he was trying to sing! > >5. PCs with whisper-quiet (or silent) hard drives? > >Philip Raath - I love your quotation. You are the ONE. Meaning, you >made my day. > >Regards, > >MIKO > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 13:32:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27247; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:31:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:31:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: Hello Dali Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:29:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2002 17:29:57.0201 (UTC) FILETIME=[88E64410:01C24A01] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It works great on my p4, but the first few times I opened it under Cubase, it crashed out. I'm not sure what happened after that, but works fine. I've had problems like this before with Cubase, and they've all managed to solve themselves the next time I fooled around wth them. Below all that sophisticated white chrome, lurks a strange beast indeed. As far as the Lama - it rocks. Uncannily human. Endless fun. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Myers" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 6:13 PM Subject: Re: Hello Dali > Except that it does nothing but crash my G4/Cubase! Anyone else? > > David Lee Myers > http://www.pulsewidth.com > > > on 8/21/02 8:10 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > > > This sure looks cool, and it's free! Must check out! > > > > > > http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/2002/Delay-Lama.html > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 14:01:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31493; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:59:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:59:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bf01c249d2$d81d64c0$04f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <90.2ad464e2.2a96694c@aol.com> Subject: Re: Stereo Effects & EDP Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:55:42 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com one solution that works for me: two edp's and one sound sculpture switchblade. if you're not familiar, go to www.soundsculpture.com and check it out. routing is no longer a problem. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 14:11:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00422; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:10:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:10:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <104.1a8a40d9.2a9682e6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:09:42 EDT Subject: Re: more loopfests To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_104.1a8a40d9.2a9682e6_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_104.1a8a40d9.2a9682e6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/22/02 12:22:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, elio@telepathyrecords.com writes: > how many of you on here would be interested in performing, were we > to put together some Loopfest-type thing? > please keep me posted.....michael --part1_104.1a8a40d9.2a9682e6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/22/02 12:22:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, elio@telepathyrecords.com writes:


how many of you on here would be interested in performing, were we
to put together some Loopfest-type thing?


please keep me posted.....michael --part1_104.1a8a40d9.2a9682e6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 14:30:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02210; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:30:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:30:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020822182918.98540.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:29:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: New member To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CF9F@mitorexch01.maritz.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > BTW, on the EHX 16 second delay, I have a friend who freelances for > EH and > he is always trying to get them to reissue it, he's mocked up > versions with longer delay times for them but apparently they feel > like the Line 6 DL4 has killed the market for the 16-second. That hasn't stopped them on releasing other same-function type units. How many fuzz boxes are on the market? How many reverbs? How many choruses? Near as I can tell, there isn't anything in their entire product line that's totally unique. I like their stuff though, I might pick their's over someone else's. That's what it's all about, right? Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 14:51:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04392; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:50:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:50:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:52:36 -0700 Message-ID: <3D52BC090000D879@mta08.san.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <000901c249e1$eaf26aa0$dcfaec0c@ATTBI.COM> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: RE: Newbie questions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA04326 Resent-Message-ID: <_FEEkC.A.1DB.cJTZ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Miko, >2. Does Acid Pro 3.0 (registered, legal, with nonstandard loops or >self-created loops) get any respect here? If so can I point people to >my mp3.com page with high-quality Acid-Pro-based songs, without getting >heckled? I can't answer for the group, as a whole, on this one, but, I use Acid as a tool pretty extensively... I don't mean in the standard 'layout a song' mode, but in a 'live looping tool' mode... I use the looping area as a palette to bring loops in and out, build layers/destroy layers, pitch shifting, etc... Creating (imo) very dynamic pieces of music... I most enjoying doing this along with other musicians, so that I have other peoples creative ideas to push and pull the me... :) Regardless of how you use it, I would love to hear what you have done... :) peace -cpr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 14:55:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05086; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:53:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:53:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.213.101.18] From: "Dan Jones" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: New member Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:52:50 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2002 18:52:50.0336 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D1E7200:01C24A0D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >"** my guess is that they may be quite mistaken." Yeah, its shame they don't seem to recognize why it was/is still highly prized. Still, I think if they were to do it now, they'd probably do a 16 Sec Plus or something...Basically as I can understand it, it's easy to get all the digital functions onto a single DSP, so they'd do longer delay times etc _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 15:06:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07823; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:05:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:05:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:04:44 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: New member To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00d301c24a0e$c7178480$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Jones" > Yeah, its shame they don't seem to recognize why it was/is still highly > prized. Still, I think if they were to do it now, they'd probably do a 16 > Sec Plus or something...Basically as I can understand it, it's easy to get > all the digital functions onto a single DSP, so they'd do longer delay > times etc Well....if Line 6 ever releases a DL-4 v.II, I'd really like those delays to be a few seconds longer then 2.5 seconds. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 16:44:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18340; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:43:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:43:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D654CCE.4CF1B66F@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:42:55 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist References: <104.1a89e3f5.2a966eb1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I could not agree more! I felt that the Repeater failed due to similar lack of a long term marketing plan. Sure, they had you as an indorser, and that's worth a lot, IMO, but they did not follow up with more demos and clinics. They did one in San Rafael at Bananas At Large, and that's it, as far as I know. I went into a few stores that sold Repeaters and got comments from sales people like (this is an actual quote of a Guitar Center employee) "Oh, that? It doesn't seem to do much." I gave him a mini lecture about the possibilities, but what was really needed was an exciting demo. If you can excite the sales force, they in tern can excite the customer. Basically, what I'm saying is that what's happening at Kim's on Saturday should be happening at Banana's At Large with some previous advertisment. Doesn't matter if a lot of customers don't show. As long as the sales force is impressed, the rest will fall into place. Mark Sottilaro Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > matthias, you said something about product endorsements being old-school & > boring, or something much like that..... > > personally, i think that endorsements can be very useful & more than a little > practical, when: > 1) they reflect real useage, > 2) the market niche is well-defined, and > 3) they are pursued w/some long-range plan w/educational depth, especially > and most specifically in regards to 'hidden' instruments..... such as the edp. > (this is certainly the repeat of a discussion that i began having w/both kim > and the then-not-ready-for-committment-folks-at-gibson, when the edp was > first released, after the failure of lexicon higher-up execs to stick w/a > long-range plan for marketing the jamman). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 17:10:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21691; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:10:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:10:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <68.247f1f51.2a96ad0e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:09:34 EDT Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <5GbHKC.A.JSF.RMVZ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com m-klar, >I could not agree more! I felt that the Repeater failed due to similar >lack of a >long term marketing plan. no --- repeater failed because they had an extremely unrealistic fiscal plan (as relates to r&d), imho. >Sure, they had you as an indorser, and that's >worth a >lot, IMO, but they did not follow up with more demos and clinics. see above. >They >did one >in San Rafael at Bananas At Large, and that's it, as far as I know. I >went into >a few stores that sold Repeaters and got comments from sales people like >(this is >an actual quote of a Guitar Center employee) "Oh, that? It doesn't seem >to do >much." I gave him a mini lecture about the possibilities, but what was >really >needed was an exciting demo. If you can excite the sales force, they in >tern can >excite the customer. yes. this needs to be done on a somewhat longterm basis, i think; after all, the products are for sale --- may as well inform the public as to *what they do*, right? >Basically, what I'm saying is that what's happening at Kim's on Saturday >should >be happening at Banana's At Large with some previous advertisment. Doesn't >matter if a lot of customers don't show. As long as the sales force is >impressed, the rest will fall into place. i'd agree that that's a part of it, right there. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 18:03:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27443; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:02:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:02:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: cram@panix.com Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:02:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Santanas looping bassist In-reply-to: <1a8.737318c.2a964df1@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3D65274F.9342.1369D7@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Priority: normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think dt is right. When I was at the Santana show, I couldn't see what the hell he was doing ...Rietveld just kept stepping on things on the floor...and playing the hell out of the bass. They wouldn't let me backstage to ask about the gear. :-) Craig On 22 Aug 2002 at 10:23, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > >>>Matthias writes, re Santanas bassist: > >>> > >>>"I just dont understand why thousands of musicians that see this work > >>>dont walk into a shop next day to ask for the machine he used... > my quick response to this..... > education/conceptual familiarity: > they masses have no idea what is happening, so don't know what question to > ask. > best, > dt / splattercell > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ Life goes on within you and without you. -- George Harrison Craig Ramseur cram@panix.com Listen at: www.soundclick.com\craigramseur ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 18:17:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28879; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:17:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:17:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRG0zK+h5AocnzI0v3HE7Wmhwt2zQIUTkzuinArm32ANcDSHyUFeSEsUeY= From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:16:24 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Trilok Gurtu Message-ID: <1082-3D6562B8-1306@storefull-2356.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: cram@panix.com's message of Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:02:55 -0400 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Curious, on what album does Trilok use looping? I've been a fan since I saw him with Oregon in the early eighties. But some of his solo stuff (IMHO) is boring. Bill/Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 18:32:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30274; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:32:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:32:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.182] From: "one less than none" To: References: <90.2ad464e2.2a96694c@aol.com> <00bf01c249d2$d81d64c0$04f8c440@g0wn7> Subject: Re: Stereo Effects & EDP Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:29:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01C24A33.B1702720" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2002 22:31:15.0052 (UTC) FILETIME=[A0236AC0:01C24A2B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C24A33.B1702720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i second that, the switchbla is the way to go [but i only have one edp] i just sum fx to mono before edp-ing ! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 12:55 PM Subject: Re: Stereo Effects & EDP > one solution that works for me: >=20 > two edp's and one sound sculpture switchblade. if you're not = familiar, go > to www.soundsculpture.com and check it out. routing is no longer a = problem. >=20 > -jim >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C24A33.B1702720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i second that, the switchbla is the = way to go=20 [but i only have one edp]
i just sum fx to mono before edp-ing=20 !
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmy Fowler" <jimfowler@prodigy.net>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 12:55 = PM
Subject: Re: Stereo Effects &=20 EDP

> one solution that works for me:
>
> two edp's = and one=20 sound sculpture switchblade.  if you're not familiar, go
> to = www.soundsculpture.com = and check it=20 out.  routing is no longer a problem.
>
> -jim
> = ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C24A33.B1702720-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 18:38:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31121; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:37:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:37:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009701c24a2c$62ba7b00$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <1082-3D6562B8-1306@storefull-2356.public.lawson.webtv.net> Subject: OT: Re: Trilok Gurtu Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:36:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Agreed- I think his work with McLaughlin was amazing- esp his 10 minute solo section on the Live At The Roayal Festival Hall cd (McLaughlin)- I saw him on that tour- I was absoloutly blown away- I have never seen him loop- last time I saw him was 2 years ago here in L.A.- good show- much better than his solo cds- I'm not sure why but he is painfully modest in his performances on his own cds- seldomly ever letting loose. Maybe it is the bland compositions. Ouch. Honestly he is so damn good with his limbs he doesen't need to loop IMO- he can keep a tempo and play wayy outside of it at the same time like the best of them- I'd love to see him and Zakir play together! Maybe Dennis Chambers could sit in on a few too... ....and then I woke up. Cliff Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Mcallister" To: Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 3:16 PM Subject: Re: Trilok Gurtu > Curious, on what album does Trilok use looping? I've been a fan since I > saw him with Oregon in the early eighties. But some of his solo stuff > (IMHO) is boring. Bill/Las Vegas > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 19:06:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02819; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:05:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:05:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:05:01 EDT Subject: Re: OT: Re: Trilok Gurtu To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <0QSOOC.A.Ar.i4WZ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi ho, I have a couple of Mr. Gurtu's CDs. The one I listen to most often is "Crazy Saints" with Pat Metheny and Joe Zawinul. A good . . . but not GREAT disc. I have to agree that I liked his work on the live McLaughlin CD better. The only time I saw him live myself was 7 or 8 years ago at Luna Park in L.A. (sharing the bill with Mr. David Torn no less). There was no looping in evidence during Trilok's set but it was pretty fascinating to see and hear him play. I'd have loved to have heard the two of them play together. Wow! Can you imagine? That was my one and only time to see either of them perform live as a matter of fact. Best regards, Ted Killian www.mp3.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 19:13:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03561; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:13:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:13:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c249fe$b461e2f0$03f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <90.2ad464e2.2a96694c@aol.com> <00bf01c249d2$d81d64c0$04f8c440@g0wn7> Subject: Re: Stereo Effects & EDP Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:09:39 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C24A07.15166190" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <7BaO4C.A.82.j_WZ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C24A07.15166190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable it's been mentioned before, but some effects sound much better in = stereo. my eventide does some really fantastic stereo delays that sound = kinda mushy mono but really open up in stereo. my switchblade has come in handy in ways i'd never even considered. = kudos to ken for building such a great device. -jim ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C24A07.15166190 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
it's been mentioned before, but some effects sound = much better=20 in stereo.  my eventide does some really fantastic stereo delays = that sound=20 kinda mushy mono but really open up in stereo.
 
my switchblade has come in handy in ways i'd never = even=20 considered.  kudos to ken for building such a great = device.
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C24A07.15166190-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 19:57:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06958; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:56:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:56:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005501c24a37$e74c7700$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <01a001c249d4$ffedbca0$420e88cf@stevespc> Subject: Re: Stereo Effects & EDP and Setup Diagram Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:59:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I kinda owe this to the group following my thread about dummy loads, my Rivera, JC120s, etc. FWIW - I took dt's (and others) advice, and got my Rivera in my setup *without* using a dummy load + line out. Here's how it looks now. Impressions, comments, ideas are always welcome: Strat w/ GK2a synth pickup -> Roland GR-1 GR-1 Guitar Out -> Volume Pedal -> Wah -> Rivera Preamp Rivera FX Loop Send -> Chorus -> Delay -> Roland GR-1 Guitar Return GR-1 Synth/Guitar Mix Out (L) -> EDP1 -> Vortex (L) -> BBE (L) -> Rivera FX Loop Return GR-1 Synth/Guitar Mix Out (R) -> EDP2 -> Vortex (R) -> BBE (R) -> JC120 The Rivera is hooked up to it's 4x12, no dummy load or attenuation. Thanks again for the advice. I *love* my Knucklehead! Many thanks to Bill Walker for selling me his GR-1! Love it. I can run the EDPs linked for stereo operation, or unlink them and get 2 different loops playing against each other, through both amps. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 7:11 AM Subject: RE: Stereo Effects & EDP > Yes it sure would be nice to see diagrams of peoples rigs. > > For me, everything in my rig is stereo except for the EDP. I would > prefer to not have to switch between mono & stereo when I move from live > to studio which is why I initially opted for stereo to begin with. In > fact when playing live, I give myself a stereo monitor mix and just send > a mono signal to the house. But, the EDP is still a wrinkle in the mix. > I have Repeater but frankly have decided that because it has the > glitch/bump that shows up with ambient loops, it is unusable for live > play and is not nearly as flexible as the EDP. > > All my synths have effects of their own (except the Nord Micro) so I > guess I could rely on those effects for EDP loop creation. I just would > prefer to be able to use my Eclipse to be able to process both the > pre-loop material and my main signal, but in a way so that everything > doesn't turn to mush. > > Steve > > > > > > A very simerlar setup to me Mark, but its kind of annoying > > that i have to dedicate certain effects to the Repeaters FX > > loop and then not have them available for NON loop material, > > thinking now of using the Repeater 4 channel-out option to my > > desk, but suspect that i will get into a right old mess with > > pre fade and post fade issues. Does anyone make a mixer where > > the Aux sends are neither Pre or Post but operate more like a > > DJ mix fader, IE:one end completely dry, one end completely > > wet, but main fader operating as per usual with Vol... > > > > Suggested it before and it went down like a lead balloon, but > > would like to see in diagrammatical form, the routing/setups > > of peoples rigs... Using Microsoft Visio we could all make > > simerlar drawing that would be very usful for the archives methinks, > > > > MArk Red > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 5:17 AM > > Subject: Re: Stereo Effects & EDP > > > > > > > I have the same issue. To make matters worse, part of my > > "style" has > > > become using the Repeater's effects loop to be able to play > > dry (well, > > > somewhat dry...) into the Repeater, then have only what's > > in the loop > > > be effected by what's in the effects loop. Very useful. > > I'm sure the > > > same could be done with two EDPs and a programmable patchbay, but > > > there's not the cash for that right now. > > > > > > Basically, I'm planning on using the EDP for live gigs where stereo > > > isn't an issue, and the Repeater in the studio where it's more > > > effective. I'm still hashing this out. > > > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > > > On Wednesday, August 21, 2002, at 07:55 PM, M. Steven Ginn wrote: > > > > > > > Most of what I have read about effects routing and the > > EDP recommend > > > > running an effects processor first and then through the EDP. If > > > > this is the case then what is needed to say go into an Eclipse > > > > effects processor in stereo, come out of the Eclipse and > > split the > > > > signal so that it not only goes back to the main mix bus (aux > > > > return, etc.), it also goes into a stereo to mono > > adapter/combiner > > > > of some sort to go into the EDP? Then I guess I will > > come out the > > > > EDP back to the main mix where the original, effects and > > EDP signals > > > > are combined. I am on the right track here, or am I > > making it too > > > > complicated? Kim said that if I were to put the Eclipse > > at the end > > > > of the signal path and apply effects to the dry mix and the EDP > > > > return, it would probably get a bit muddy. The main > > thing about my > > > > mix is that everything I have is stereo and can be routed stereo, > > > > except for the EDP. I wish I could afford another one > > and solve my > > > > problem that way, but that's not possible right now. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > M. Steven Ginn > > > > > > > > ******************************** > > > > Please go to > > > > > > > > Listen to the music. > > > > Purchase the CD > > > > Support the NY Firefighters > > > > 9/11 Relief Fund > > > > ******************************** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 20:04:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08893; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:04:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:04:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Stereo Effects & EDP Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:04:11 -0500 Message-ID: <01e201c24a38$9bfae3d0$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <35.2bb61660.2a9654ec@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You didn't misunderstand ... I was just going by what Kim had suggested a while back regarding effects routing and the EDP. He said that if I ran my signal through the EDP first (dry) and then processed that with my effects (Eclipse), the chances were pretty good that my mix would end up being like mush. I always thought that applying effects like reverb for example before a looping device would cutoff the tails and part of the effects. I feel that your recommendation of going from mono to stereo to preserve the stereo image is better but I just wasn't sure based on what Kim had suggested. Thanks, Steve > > >Most of what I have read about effects routing and the EDP recommend > >running an effects processor first and then through the EDP. > huh? > in that case, you lose the stereo image of the stereo > processors..... which > is interesting, but. > if you want to loop the fx of your eclipse in stereo, then > you'll need 2 > edp's post-eclipse. > if your stereo image is being created by the eclipse, then > you could have the > edp inserted before the eclipse. > maybe i misunderstand, again, though. > best, > dt / splattercell > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 20:36:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11723; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:35:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:35:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 Message-ID: <3D658370.D1884AF9@ernieball.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:36:00 -0700 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: New member References: <200208222232.SAA30465@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > BTW, on the EHX 16 second delay, I have a friend who freelances for > EH and > he is always trying to get them to reissue it, he's mocked up versions > with > longer delay times for them but apparently they feel like the Line 6 > DL4 > has killed the market for the 16-second. > > I wonder if its worth emailing EH en masse and letting them know there > is a > market for this box (maybe y'all have done this already). Since he already has the technology, maybe your friend should make an "Elektro-Harmonikz 17-Second Delay" in his free time? But then again, he'd probably make more money designing it for EH than he would manufacturing and selling it himself. -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 20:52:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13772; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:51:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:51:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009c01c24a3f$59c56920$04464ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <68.247f1f51.2a96ad0e@aol.com> Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:51:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The endorsement angle is a fascinating and important one, and one that A and R departments get SO WRONG so much of the time - they go for maximum image exposure, but often lose out by having a) people with no sound (who really cares what bass Mr X plays from some death metal band where the bass is buried in the mix and he might as well be programming it?) b) people whose only interest in the product is their cheque at the end of the year for being an endorser, so if more money comes along they switch... as a result, there are some endorsers whose word means jack shit any more - in the bass world , Mark King has endorsed everything, and Chuck Rainey I hear was pretty close to signing a deal with the cleaners at the LA Convention Centre after nailing every other company at NAMM... :o) So for Gibson, getting behind someone like Andre would seem like a great idea because a) he's going to be a hell of a lot cheaper than Neil Schon to book for clinics. b) he probably knows a lot more about the product c) as his star ascends, his name will forever be linked with the product. When that happens it's a powerful symbiotic relationship - see Michael Manring and Zon Guitars, where they helped to elevate eachother's fame levels - he made their instruments sound Incredible, and they put him in their ads, giving more cred to what he did, and paid him for clinics, thus getting him out there playing... For my own career, I've been reliant on Ashdown clinics for getting me out to the US - they pay my flight, and a fee for the days when I'm doing their stuff, and the rest of the time I fill with gigs. I can't afford to just fly out and gig at the moment, but so long as that relationship stays together, I'm out there making cool noises with their amps, and answering questions about their stuff, getting to know what the company is all about... Putting a face and some sounds to a product is vital, methinks. So ads with Torn/Lafosse/Schon/Reitveld/me/whoever else in them for EDP? hell yeah! :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 20:55:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14394; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:55:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:55:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D6587B2.E0499D48@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:54:10 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist References: <68.247f1f51.2a96ad0e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > m-klar, > >I could not agree more! I felt that the Repeater failed due to similar > >lack of a > >long term marketing plan. > > no --- repeater failed because they had an extremely unrealistic fiscal plan > (as relates to r&d), imho. Yeah, I suspected that as well. I just hoped enough buzz would happen in the DJ world about the Repeater that it would be a hit. Perhaps that wouldn't have even been enough. Are there DJs on this list that use the Repeater? I always thought it had (has) one of the best beat detectors I've seen. Marklar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 21:00:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16293; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:59:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:59:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D6588CE.5129785C@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:58:53 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Andre Lafosse in SF tomorrow (today) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6EqV0B.A.HrD.UjYZ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What time does it start? matt davignon wrote: > Hey Bay Area loopers, > > Andre Lafosse, who wowed all present at the Y2K2 festival in Santa Cruz last > month has a show tonight (thursday) at 509 Cultural Center. It's on Ellis at > the corner of Leavenworth. > > This is part of the "Creative Music Thursdays" series that's usually at the > Luggage Store. It's pretty rare for them to have a looping artist. > > Matt Davignon > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 21:32:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20177; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:32:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:32:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:30:49 -0700 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Re: Andre Lafosse in SF tomorrow (today) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000801c24a44$b651f050$0282c83f@kinesys1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3D6588CE.5129785C@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a couple hours ... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 5:58 PM Subject: Re: Andre Lafosse in SF tomorrow (today) > What time does it start? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 21:49:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22655; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:48:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:48:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <15d.12f5ab4a.2a96ee41@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:47:45 EDT Subject: Re: Stereo Effects & EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sginn@airmail.net writes: >I feel that your recommendation of going from mono to >stereo to preserve the stereo image is better but I just wasn't sure >based on what Kim had suggested. i don't know what kim said; i missed that, but am sure that it was a valuable comment. my strongest suggestion: try many different things, yourself, w/o too much mental/technical 'gossip' beforehand: what works for *you* will be very satisfying, then. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 22:32:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30602; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:32:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:32:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.104.22.70] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: San Francisco Found Object Festival Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:31:08 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2002 02:31:08.0564 (UTC) FILETIME=[23570D40:01C24A4D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (Event Announcement) Please bring objects from home. Avant-garde, experimental and/or electronic musicians will spontaneously create music using only items submitted by the audience for sound sources. 2 nights - 2 venues: Thursday, 9/19 8pm 509 Cultural Center 509 Ellis Street (at Leavenworth) 415-440-5090 San Francisco $6-10 Tonight's show features local experimental music hero Ernesto Diaz-Infante, the improv ensemble SKIZMZ, Avant-garde percussionist Moe! Staiano, thoughtful noise musician v.v., and Audiosports, an electronic music project. Friday, 9/20 8pm 964 Natoma Street (between 10th and 11th) San Francisco 415-487-9439 $6-10 Tonight's show features found object looping pioneer Rick Walker (Loop.pooL), percussion prodigy Jon Wagner, contact mic/electronic musician Skincage, sonic structuralist Jeremiah Moore, improvising electronic musician Mark Sottilaro, and the organizer, Matt Davignon. Note: Please do not bring hazardous or radioactive materials, wild animals or firearms to either venue. For more information, contact Matt Davignon at 510-268-8213. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 22:32:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30697; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:32:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:32:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020822191400.0342ab38@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:34:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Stereo Effects & EDP In-Reply-To: <15d.12f5ab4a.2a96ee41@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:47 PM 8/22/2002, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: >sginn@airmail.net writes: > > >I feel that your recommendation of going from mono to > >stereo to preserve the stereo image is better but I just wasn't sure > >based on what Kim had suggested. >i don't know what kim said; i missed that, but am sure that it was a valuable >comment. >my strongest suggestion: >try many different things, yourself, w/o too much mental/technical 'gossip' >beforehand: >what works for *you* will be very satisfying, then. I'm not sure what I said either, but David is right with this comment. You keep asking questions that are a matter of taste and personal preference, and expect to get answers back that validate for you that one thing is right and one thing is wrong. but there is no right and wrong. It's like spinach. I love spinach. My brother hates spinach. Why is that? we don't know. Will you like spinach? My brother says no, I say yes, but what use is that? The only way you will know is to stick it in your mouth. are you enjoying the experience? Now you know if you like spinach. So go plug your crap together one way and try it, then plug it in the other way and try that. Whichever way you liked better is right. You don't need me or anybody else to tell you that. The whole reason why there are choices available in your gear is because different people want it different ways. There are no choices offered in the cases where there is only one "right" way. It is up to you to make a choice that works for you. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 22:44:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00734; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:43:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:43:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00aa01c24a4f$a289b200$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <104.1a89e3f5.2a966eb1@aol.com> Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:49:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah - Gibson, could do more to bring the EDP to higher visibility, but then that would only mean one thing, right? More e-mail coming across Loopers'-Delight... :-) David ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 12:43 PM Subject: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist > matthias, you said something about product endorsements being old-school & > boring, or something much like that..... > > personally, i think that endorsements can be very useful & more than a little > practical, when: > 1) they reflect real useage, > 2) the market niche is well-defined, and > 3) they are pursued w/some long-range plan w/educational depth, especially > and most specifically in regards to 'hidden' instruments..... such as the edp. > (this is certainly the repeat of a discussion that i began having w/both kim > and the then-not-ready-for-committment-folks-at-gibson, when the edp was > first released, after the failure of lexicon higher-up execs to stick w/a > long-range plan for marketing the jamman). > > with a hidden *player's* instrument like the edp ---(ie, the instrument is > being used intensively, but the audience can't *see* either it or the > player's direct interaction with it ---eg, benny reitveld at the santana > performance --- unlike a les paul/a dw drumkit/or even a waldorf synth > etc)--- it seems that such endorsements might even be necessary; > my strongest suggestion, those years ago and *still*, would be to follow up > the endorsement w/a series of **regular** looping clinic-tours sponsored by > the manufacturer, w/instructional videos (or whatever) made available for > sale (but, free-of-charge to salesfolk at the retail level), also by the > manufacturer. > > of course, in my own case, gibson dropped the planning-ball many, many moons > ago; > though: > i made myself available, for whatever that might have been worth ---(not very > much to them, obviously, i guess!)--- ..... and left the door wide open, > w/absolutely no response from any business-planning folk at > gibson/trace/gibson. > that little bit off my hairy chest: > i'm sooooo very glad to see that andré/kim/etc have (rightfully, as andré is > such a rocking edp-badass) begun a new forward-thrust, on their own > initiative. > > so, regarding looping-devices, i guess i'd opine that some truthful > endorsements might be --- at least, eventually--- more than a bit valuable to > a manufacturer interested in (and capable of actuating) longer-range planning. > if the manufacturers want people to buy the product, but folks > a) don't have an idea of what-it-is, and > b) are clueless as to how they might use it, themselves, well..... > > the word must go out, somehow --- i guess that's what LD is for, eh? --- and > i'm led to speculate that the manufacturers, themselves, tend to lose deeply > via their lack of marketing commitment/planning vis-a-vis looping instruments. > > > > just ruminating..... > best, > dt / splattercell > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 23:01:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05687; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:00:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:00:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00af01c24a51$fc43bfa0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <104.1a89e3f5.2a966eb1@aol.com> Subject: EDP Hardware Interface Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:05:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The software to the EDP is what makes it so cool. And what a unique and wonderful opportunity we have here: we can ask the authors of the software how to do things. Thank you Aurisis! The capabilities you've made available are really quite amazing. But the device-interface through which one accesses these capalilties isn't really rich enough to really "get at things" easily. Especially with Loop IV. Imagine what a TC Electronics "EDP" interface would be? Are their any plans for Trace-Eliot to redesign the hardware interface, and I guess while they're at it, the internals? David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 22 23:54:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16463; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:53:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:53:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020822215256.008759a0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:52:56 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist In-Reply-To: <3D6587B2.E0499D48@zerocrossing.net> References: <68.247f1f51.2a96ad0e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -Actually, a co-worker and future student of mine recognized the Repeaters I brought into the store because of that reason. He was like, "Hey, I saw a DJ grabbing loops on the fly with one of those. I want one, they're way cool!" Now he's trying to get me to sell him my spare! lol! anyway, my point is that there are apparently DJs using them, and at least some people are noticing what's going on. I.E. the loop process... I was pleasantly surprised. Smiles, CQ At 05:54 PM 8/22/02 -0700, you wrote: > > >Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > >> m-klar, >> >I could not agree more! I felt that the Repeater failed due to similar >> >lack of a >> >long term marketing plan. > >> >> no --- repeater failed because they had an extremely unrealistic fiscal plan >> (as relates to r&d), imho. > >Yeah, I suspected that as well. I just hoped enough buzz would happen in the >DJ world about the Repeater that it would be a hit. Perhaps that wouldn't have >even been enough. Are there DJs on this list that use the Repeater? I always >thought it had (has) one of the best beat detectors I've seen. > >Marklar > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 03:18:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01468; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:16:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:16:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020823071455.43192.qmail@web10908.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:14:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Will Reply-To: will@luktown.org Subject: Line 6 Echo Pro + MIDI Control To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <4phxJC.A.eW.1DeZ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Can anyone tell me if it's easy(ish) to set up a MIDI foot controller with the Echo Pro to do things like turn on and off loop recording, set loop points.... the 60 seconds of loop time is tempting but the ease of the floor unit is equally as tempting. I've read a bunch of folks flaming the hell out of it in the archives but for 300 bucks, i'm seriously considering it. Any help would be appreciated. thanks! will ===== ----------- luktown.org musictransparent __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 03:56:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03583; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:55:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:55:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Sender: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Line 6 Echo Pro MIDI Control (long) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:54:14 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c24a7a$4cef1e40$09d6f343@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, $300 is a great price! And the unit seems to have some pretty good (if consumer oriented) MIDI implementation. All my info is gleaned from the online manual--which indicates you can map note, program changes or CC info to control all the parameters including looping functions. They also have this to say: Advanced Looping There are several cool “advanced” functions in Echo Pro’s Loop Sampler that aren’t in the DL4 Delay Modeler’s Loop Sampler. These greatly expand what you can do with loops. Here’s a breakdown, and some examples: 1. Program Change 101 = Looper Record/play/stop/play/stop/play/stop etc. 2. Program Change 102 = Looper Record/stop/play/stop/play/stop/play etc. These first two new commands allow you to control the looper with a single foot switch! When you first send MIDI Program Change 101, it will put the Echo Pro Looper into its Record mode. Send it a second time, the Looper drops out of record mode, and starts playing back the loop immediately. A third Program Change 101 command stops the looper. After that, the same handy, dandy Program Change 101 will just toggle between Play and Stop, as long as there’s something recorded in the looper. Program Change 102 works the same way, except that the second program change stops recording and stops the loop as well. The third change then starts the cycle of Play, Stop, Play, Stop, etc. 3. Program Change 103 = Looper overdub only The Overdub only command, MIDI Program Change 103, can be used to record over any loop that is currently playing. This command will have no effect on a loop that is stopped. This can be especially handy if you have more than one Echo Pro. 4. Program Change 104 = Looper stop only Unlike Play/Stop, this one obviously just stops. Hey, I'm back--so this unit is a ton of fun, I'm guessing. It's not an Echoplex with Loop IV, and the looper has no clock in or out (or feedback control!) but I'll bet when you factor in the other delay emulations it's purty darned cost effective--and there's like a dozen on eBay right now. Don't forget all the fun you can have with the DL4--this one's got to be just as much of a kick (bad choice of words) Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 04:14:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06244; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 04:14:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 04:14:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <128.166b5102.2a974867@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 04:12:23 EDT Subject: Re: EDP Hardware Interface To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Thank you Aurisis! seconded > The capabilities you've made available are really quite amazing. But the > device-interface through which one accesses these capalilties isn't really > rich enough to really "get at things" easily. Especially with Loop IV. Well the device is designed to work "hands off", so you can control with your feet while playing your instrument. Easiest way is to create a number "presets" for whatever it is you want to do. Then the 7 buttons on the footpedal can do all sorts of stuff. Bet you find it easier the more you play;-) In order to get "foot access" to the presets, and to the extended MIDI functions you need a MIDI controller. (just like with any rack unit) This will really open things up for you. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 06:12:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13791; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:11:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:11:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:09:45 +0200 Subject: Re: Line 6 Echo Pro MIDI Control (long) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000001c24a7a$4cef1e40$09d6f343@gary> Message-Id: <72C2F642-B680-11D6-A106-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Gary, thanks a million for your info! Your explaination of the extra Midi commands were really well detailed, and I imagined immediately the possibilities of these commands. There are many people on this list who may not understand the power of the baby brother DL4. About 90% of my project utilises just one DL4 unit - nothing else. Its a very organic box, and if you play on your own, or perform with good live performers who can sync to you, you can perform wonders with this little toy. Although I have yet to try an EDP, from my experiences with other looping tools, the DL4 is probably the only unit that I dont have to think about when I play... I use it automatically in the same subconcious way that I use the violin. So.... it now exists in a stereo rack form with midi sync for the delays, and program changes to be able to utilise the many different sounds using a footswitch/controller. It allows now for 60s sample time.... it has balanced outputs.... and its $300 (I paid $330 for the DL4 when it first came out). Dammit. I'm getting one :) Just one question... is the loop sampler stereo? Or does it just have stereo bypass/mono record like the DL4? Anyone know? -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 06:21:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14229; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:21:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:21:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: RE: Line 6 Echo Pro MIDI Control (long) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:20:39 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c24a8e$bacec640$6401a8c0@om> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <72C2F642-B680-11D6-A106-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <-93xnD.A.udD.rxgZ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A friend was over tonight with a new Echo Pro- be aware the midi synced delays warble like hell- from any midi source we tried- the D-Two on the other hand does not warble at all- but the Echo Pro is a superior sound mangler/modeler. Cliff www.om-studios.com -----Original Message----- From: Stuart Wyatt [mailto:stuart@solostring.com] Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 3:10 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line 6 Echo Pro MIDI Control (long) Hey Gary, thanks a million for your info! Your explaination of the extra Midi commands were really well detailed, and I imagined immediately the possibilities of these commands. There are many people on this list who may not understand the power of the baby brother DL4. About 90% of my project utilises just one DL4 unit - nothing else. Its a very organic box, and if you play on your own, or perform with good live performers who can sync to you, you can perform wonders with this little toy. Although I have yet to try an EDP, from my experiences with other looping tools, the DL4 is probably the only unit that I dont have to think about when I play... I use it automatically in the same subconcious way that I use the violin. So.... it now exists in a stereo rack form with midi sync for the delays, and program changes to be able to utilise the many different sounds using a footswitch/controller. It allows now for 60s sample time.... it has balanced outputs.... and its $300 (I paid $330 for the DL4 when it first came out). Dammit. I'm getting one :) Just one question... is the loop sampler stereo? Or does it just have stereo bypass/mono record like the DL4? Anyone know? -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 11:44:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02965; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:42:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:42:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:38:03 -0700 Subject: Re: Line 6 Echo Pro MIDI Control (long) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000001c24a8e$bacec640$6401a8c0@om> Message-Id: <50290759-B6AE-11D6-9F0A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, you'd think that it would do a good job with such things. My MoFX, AdrenaLinn, and MPX1 all do great with MIDI clock from everything but the Repeater. I wonder why something dedicated to MIDI synched delay would have issues. Marklar On Friday, August 23, 2002, at 03:20 AM, Clifford Novey wrote: > A friend was over tonight with a new Echo Pro- be aware the midi synced > delays warble like hell- from any midi source we tried- the D-Two on the > other hand does not warble at all- but the Echo Pro is a superior sound > mangler/modeler. > > Cliff > > www.om-studios.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stuart Wyatt [mailto:stuart@solostring.com] > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 3:10 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Line 6 Echo Pro MIDI Control (long) > > Hey Gary, thanks a million for your info! Your explaination of the extra > > Midi commands were really well detailed, and I imagined immediately the > possibilities of these commands. > > There are many people on this list who may not understand the power of > the baby brother DL4. About 90% of my project utilises just one DL4 > unit - nothing else. Its a very organic box, and if you play on your > own, or perform with good live performers who can sync to you, you can > perform wonders with this little toy. Although I have yet to try an EDP, > > from my experiences with other looping tools, the DL4 is probably the > only unit that I dont have to think about when I play... I use it > automatically in the same subconcious way that I use the violin. > > So.... it now exists in a stereo rack form with midi sync for the > delays, and program changes to be able to utilise the many different > sounds using a footswitch/controller. It allows now for 60s sample > time.... it has balanced outputs.... and its $300 (I paid $330 for the > DL4 when it first came out). > > Dammit. I'm getting one :) > > Just one question... is the loop sampler stereo? Or does it just have > stereo bypass/mono record like the DL4? Anyone know? > -- > Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project > http://www.solostring.com > stuart@solostring.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 13:33:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11030; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:27:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:27:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:22:03 -0700 Subject: Re: Newbie questions From: Mark Hamburg To: , MIKO Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000901c249e1$eaf26aa0$dcfaec0c@ATTBI.COM> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/22/02 6:43 AM, MIKO at m-i-k-o@attbi.com wrote: > 5. PCs with whisper-quiet (or silent) hard drives? The Seagate Barracuda IV is a very quiet drive. I put one in my G4 Cube a few weeks ago and the machine is almost silent now. (I only notice that it isn't silent when I turn it off.) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 13:43:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12112; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:41:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:41:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Line 6 Echo Pro MIDI Control (long) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:41:43 +0200 Message-ID: <000b01c24acc$588dd870$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <50290759-B6AE-11D6-9F0A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com May I add that the D-Two gets along with extremely crappy MIDI clocks, up to a respectable level - it's about the only thing delay-wise in my equipment I can sync to the Repeater without clicking. Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > On Friday, August 23, 2002, at 03:20 AM, Clifford Novey wrote: > > > A friend was over tonight with a new Echo Pro- be aware the > midi synced > > delays warble like hell- from any midi source we tried- the > D-Two on the > > other hand does not warble at all- but the Echo Pro is a > superior sound > > mangler/modeler. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 13:48:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12601; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:47:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:47:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Newbie questions Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:45:40 -0700 Message-ID: <01bb01c24acc$e5c59430$dcfaec0c@ATTBI.COM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020822105337.008535e0@pop.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You are sweet. Wanna be friends? I'll send you the kitty loop with no expectations... In a little while... -----Original Message----- From: Goddess [mailto:thefates@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 9:54 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Newbie questions OH MY GOD!, I'd love to make a loop of your sister's cat! -are you serious?!!! lol! As far as what a loop is, you can probably find a whole lot of commentary on the LD website, or the archives here. As for me, I think of it, in it's simplest form, as simply a repetition of something, which can probably get into a whole bunch of loop philosophy and debate here. Have a great day!... Smiles, Cara At 06:43 AM 8/22/02 -0700, you wrote: >Help me? > >1. What counts as a LOOP? > >2. Does Acid Pro 3.0 (registered, legal, with nonstandard loops or >self-created loops) get any respect here? If so can I point people to >my mp3.com page with high-quality Acid-Pro-based songs, without getting >heckled? > >3. Sound cards that have standard microphone jacks? > >4. Will someone make music from a loop of my sister's cat? I swear to >God he was trying to sing! > >5. PCs with whisper-quiet (or silent) hard drives? > >Philip Raath - I love your quotation. You are the ONE. Meaning, you >made my day. > >Regards, > >MIKO > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 15:04:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19621; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:01:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:01:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020822193546.02191d60@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:00:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist In-Reply-To: <104.1a89e3f5.2a966eb1@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, this is an interesting thread, I think about this subject a lot. I think it is a little too easy to say that looping (or any other new instrument) would be more popular if only manufacturers ran another ad, or did a clinic, or made a video, or did more sales training, or whatever. That stuff helps for sure, but I think it only reaches people who are already familiar with the idea and pretty close to making a decision to go for it anyway. I don't think that is the big driving force that causes a lot people to adopt something new, especially with music gear. I think it has a lot more to do with what is popular in music and culture. A manufacturer can't make that happen, they can only hope to be in the right place to ride the wave when it does. The musicians are ultimately what makes it happen. In dealing with musical instrument industry for a few years, I've found that musicians are incredibly conservative people when it comes to how they make music. Sure, they'll get funny haircuts and wear crazy clothes, but they won't try a new sound. Most of them don't want to try new things, unless they see somebody else doing it successfully first. "Successfully" is the key. When they hear music that they like and see that others like it too, then they want to emulate the music and the musicians doing it. They become willing to try whatever technique or box is necessary. No video in a store gets them to that point. I think the steps for a new instrument becoming a popular instrument go something like this: - a new idea/instrument comes along from some bright person or company. - a few innovator/experimenter types try it out and find they like it. Often they are in the more academic circles and not popular music. - time passes while these musicians learn how to play the instrument, figure out how to incorporate it in their music, develop techniques for it, and begin creating music with this new instrument. - Since they are experimenter/innovator types, they make music that most people don't like. They are probably proud of that. But they do reach a few new people who also see the possibilities in the instrument once they see it used. - Gradually, more people pick up on the idea of this instrument from the early adopters, and begin making more music. These are still the more early adopter type, but not necessarily the ones who want to be first in line for everything. Again, time passes while they really learn how to play it, and reach a point where that instrument is key to what they do and the music is good. - A few people eventually do make really, really good music with that instrument that a lot of people listen to and like. They become really famous and date Jennifer Lopez and/or Matt Damon. Their fans want to be like them. - Now many people want to try that instrument and make the music they enjoy listening to. They buy the instruments so they can. - Little cottage industries develop as the new users want to learn to play their favorite music on that new instrument. The experienced users become teachers and make some income showing people how to play like the famous guy. - More people learn to play, more good music comes from some of them, the cycle grows.... The key to it all is that popularity contest, in my opinion. When you have good, compelling, and popular music being created on a particular instrument, a lot of people are going to want it. Putting a picture of a famous guy in a magazine holding the instrument doesn't really do much good by itself. The guy has to really use that instrument while creating and performing the music that people like. That fact is what will draw people to the instrument. The ad is just a reminder. Even with no ad, the fact that he creates his famous music with that instrument will make a big difference and sell a lot of them. Like Trey Anastasio and the Boomerang. He doesn't do ads or endorsements for it, he just uses it all the time. So his fans buy it. Another key is that it takes time. People need to learn to use the instrument well enough to make good music with it, which can take years. The biggest mistake I see manufacturers of new instruments make is their time horizons are too short. They don't wait long enough for people to really figure out their creation and put it to good enough use to inspire others. I think that is why so many things only become popular after they go out of production. It isn't because people only wanted it once they couldn't have it, it's because it just takes a while for them to figure it out. The independent cottage industry of teachers is important too. Sure a manufacturer would be wise to teach people how to use their stuff. But in many ways, that never feels as honest as a real independent teacher. Half the lesson is an ad. When the teaching breaks free of that and people take the initiative to teach on their own, I think it really starts to click. It becomes real somehow. For one thing, the teacher's whole focus and resulting income is focused on good teaching, whereas a manufacturer just wants to sell you their product and are just using the lessons to get you to buy it. That's a step I've been waiting to see happen with looping. historical analogies: Electric guitars were not very popular 50-60 years ago. The guitar itself was not popular 100 years ago. That didn't change because Leo Fender made an instructional video. It changed because some people made music with guitars that other people liked. The music became hugely popular, and other people wanted to make music like that too. So they stopped buying accordions and banjos and bought guitars. Jim Marshall did not offer clinics about how distorting the crap out of his amps was a really useful technique. No, Jimi Hendrix got on stage and got on the radio and played great music that many people loved, and they all wanted to be like Jimi. He happened to play a strat and a cranked marshall, so that's what they bought so they could do it the same way he did. Nobody wanted Les Pauls in 1985, but they were huge again by 1990. Did Gibson run an eye catching ad in Guitar Player with a nice font choice? No, "Welcome to the Jungle" blew away all the pink Charvels and all the kids wanted to be like Slash. That wasn't Gibson's idea, they just got lucky. Guns n' Roses made the instructional videos, and MTV played them all day long. George Van Eps and Steve Vai both are known for playing seven string guitars. Steve Vai was in plenty of ads holding one. Charlie Hunter plays with 8 or nine strings. I don't think Ibanez sold many seven string guitars because of those guys. It seems to me they sell a lot more now. Why? Korn uses them. Korn sells more records than those guys ever have or ever will. To get that nu metal guitar sound you need low tuned guitars, and what better way to do that than with a low B string, the way Korn does it? Munky and Head are not anywhere near as good as guitarists as those other guys, but a hell of a lot more people listen to them play. So a lot more people buy 7 string guitars. where does looping sit then? More later, this is long enough.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 15:21:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20463; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:14:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:14:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c24aa6$4ff1abe0$09f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <00aa01c2438e$89e5c8f0$0bf8c440@g0wn7> <5.1.1.6.2.20020814152428.0383e008@loopers-delight.com> Subject: ART X-11...need some tips Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:09:25 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if anybody's using this pedal, i need a little help. i bought one today to use as a backup for my all access and it didn't come with a manual. i don't need any extensive programming, just the basics to get my edps controlled. if you know of a manual source online or feel like walking me through the basic setup for sending cc messages (not notes!) i would really appreciate it. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 15:25:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21248; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:24:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:24:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <198950-22002852319237609@M2W087.mail2web.com> X-EM-Version: 6, 0, 0, 3 X-EM-Registration: #00E0641810D91B008120 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Originating-IP: 204.120.48.3 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "altruist@earthlink.net" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: kim@aurisis.com Subject: EDP S.O.S. - Intermittent Restart Thingie Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:23:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2002 19:23:07.0170 (UTC) FILETIME=[82731020:01C24ADA] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA21156 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello folks, A quick EDP query from the San Jose Kinko's -- At my gig last night I noticed a very strange thing with my EDP - it would occasionally go into "restart" - i.e. the "LoopIV" start-up deal would flash across the screen. (Obviously, this also had the effect of killing whatever audio was happening at the time). This occasionally happened all by itself, without my touching anything at all, and more occasionally when I would hit a button on my footpedal. At one point it seemed to happen when I tapped the side of the chassis of the pedal board, without touching any button or sending any particular command to the EDP. After the last song, I looked down and the screen was COMPLETELY dark - you ask how much blacker it could be, and the answer is: none... none more black. Switching the power switch off and then on brought it back, though... Additional info: - I was using a PMC-10 to control the EDP, plus a Boss Volume pedal. No EFC-7. - Right after the gig, I plugged it in at the place I'm staying, and couldn't get it to crash. I left it running all night, and it's still working fine this morning. I've heard of this sort of thing happening with dirty SIMM sockets or something like that... any other ideas? Strange electrical current things? If anyone has ideas, please reply to the list, not to me (as I'm without regular Internet access until Sunday evening), so I can try and get it straightened out with Kim at the session in Oakland on Sunday. Big thanks, --Andre -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 15:26:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21449; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:25:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:25:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <9b.2c7393a5.2a97e5cf@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:23:59 EDT Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9b.2c7393a5.2a97e5cf_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: <1Gr4kB.A.eMF.xvoZ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_9b.2c7393a5.2a97e5cf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/23/02 3:00:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: > where does looping sit then? More later, this is long enough.... > you tease!.....you just got my feeble ol mind warmed up.....:).....michael p.s. do you really believe that some are "proud" to make music people dont like?.....i got to think about that one a bit --part1_9b.2c7393a5.2a97e5cf_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/23/02 3:00:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes:


where does looping sit then? More later, this is long enough....


you tease!.....you just got my feeble ol mind warmed up.....:).....michael
p.s. do you really believe that some are "proud" to make music people dont like?.....i got to think about that one a bit --part1_9b.2c7393a5.2a97e5cf_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 15:32:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21950; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:32:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:32:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <157240-220028523193030572@M2W098.mail2web.com> X-EM-Version: 6, 0, 0, 3 X-EM-Registration: #00E0641810D91B008120 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Originating-IP: 204.120.48.3 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "altruist@earthlink.net" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: kim@aurisis.com, altruist@earthlink.net Subject: (take 2) EDP Intermittent Restart Thingie Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:30:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2002 19:30:30.0908 (UTC) FILETIME=[8AF01BC0:01C24ADB] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA21837 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (Sending a second time due to apparent strangeness in my Kinko's-powered internet-isms... not sure if it got to the list the first time. Sorry for the redundancy if so!) Hello folks, A quick EDP query from the San Jose Kinko's -- At my gig last night I noticed a very strange thing with my EDP - it would occasionally go into "restart" - i.e. the "LoopIV" start-up deal would flash across the screen. (Obviously, this also had the effect of killing whatever audio was happening at the time). This occasionally happened all by itself, without my touching anything at all, and more occasionally when I would hit a button on my footpedal. At one point it seemed to happen when I tapped the side of the chassis of the pedal board, without touching any button or sending any particular command to the EDP. After the last song, I looked down and the screen was COMPLETELY dark - you ask how much blacker it could be, and the answer is: none... none more black. Switching the power switch off and then on brought it back, though... Additional info: - I was using a PMC-10 to control the EDP, plus a Boss Volume pedal. No EFC-7. - Right after the gig, I plugged it in at the place I'm staying, and couldn't get it to crash. I left it running all night, and it's still working fine this morning. I've heard of this sort of thing happening with dirty SIMM sockets or something like that... any other ideas? Strange electrical current things? If anyone has ideas, please reply to the list, not to me (as I'm without regular Internet access until Sunday evening), so I can try and get it straightened out with Kim at the session in Oakland on Sunday. Big thanks, --Andre -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 15:34:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22138; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:33:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:33:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c24adb$d4731400$0101a8c0@o4z6b8> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020822193546.02191d60@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:32:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great analisys, Kim... Only a thing... Many seven string guitar players learned 'bout the existence of seven stringers because of the ads featuring Steve Vai in the mid to late eighties... And Steve Vai is still reputed more influential than the various Korn and clones...for all the rest I agree totally with your analisys... Just think about P.R.S. guitars... In all the eighties and the nineties I've never seen as much photos featuring those guitars around... God... the Santana SE ads have some Nu-metal jerk on them, not Santana. Peace Luigi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 9:00 PM Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist > well, this is an interesting thread, I think about this subject a lot. > > I think it is a little too easy to say that looping (or any other new > instrument) would be more popular if only manufacturers ran another ad, or > did a clinic, or made a video, or did more sales training, or whatever. > That stuff helps for sure, but I think it only reaches people who are > already familiar with the idea and pretty close to making a decision to go > for it anyway. > > I don't think that is the big driving force that causes a lot people to > adopt something new, especially with music gear. I think it has a lot more > to do with what is popular in music and culture. A manufacturer can't make > that happen, they can only hope to be in the right place to ride the wave > when it does. The musicians are ultimately what makes it happen. > > In dealing with musical instrument industry for a few years, I've found > that musicians are incredibly conservative people when it comes to how they > make music. Sure, they'll get funny haircuts and wear crazy clothes, but > they won't try a new sound. Most of them don't want to try new things, > unless they see somebody else doing it successfully first. "Successfully" > is the key. When they hear music that they like and see that others like it > too, then they want to emulate the music and the musicians doing it. They > become willing to try whatever technique or box is necessary. No video in a > store gets them to that point. > > I think the steps for a new instrument becoming a popular instrument go > something like this: > > - a new idea/instrument comes along from some bright person or company. > > - a few innovator/experimenter types try it out and find they like it. > Often they are in the more academic circles and not popular music. > > - time passes while these musicians learn how to play the instrument, > figure out how to incorporate it in their music, develop techniques for it, > and begin creating music with this new instrument. > > - Since they are experimenter/innovator types, they make music that most > people don't like. They are probably proud of that. But they do reach a few > new people who also see the possibilities in the instrument once they see > it used. > > - Gradually, more people pick up on the idea of this instrument from the > early adopters, and begin making more music. These are still the more early > adopter type, but not necessarily the ones who want to be first in line for > everything. Again, time passes while they really learn how to play it, and > reach a point where that instrument is key to what they do and the music is > good. > > - A few people eventually do make really, really good music with that > instrument that a lot of people listen to and like. They become really > famous and date Jennifer Lopez and/or Matt Damon. Their fans want to be > like them. > > - Now many people want to try that instrument and make the music they enjoy > listening to. They buy the instruments so they can. > > - Little cottage industries develop as the new users want to learn to play > their favorite music on that new instrument. The experienced users become > teachers and make some income showing people how to play like the famous guy. > > - More people learn to play, more good music comes from some of them, the > cycle grows.... > > > The key to it all is that popularity contest, in my opinion. When you have > good, compelling, and popular music being created on a particular > instrument, a lot of people are going to want it. > > Putting a picture of a famous guy in a magazine holding the instrument > doesn't really do much good by itself. The guy has to really use that > instrument while creating and performing the music that people like. That > fact is what will draw people to the instrument. The ad is just a reminder. > Even with no ad, the fact that he creates his famous music with that > instrument will make a big difference and sell a lot of them. Like Trey > Anastasio and the Boomerang. He doesn't do ads or endorsements for it, he > just uses it all the time. So his fans buy it. > > Another key is that it takes time. People need to learn to use the > instrument well enough to make good music with it, which can take years. > The biggest mistake I see manufacturers of new instruments make is their > time horizons are too short. They don't wait long enough for people to > really figure out their creation and put it to good enough use to inspire > others. I think that is why so many things only become popular after they > go out of production. It isn't because people only wanted it once they > couldn't have it, it's because it just takes a while for them to figure it out. > > The independent cottage industry of teachers is important too. Sure a > manufacturer would be wise to teach people how to use their stuff. But in > many ways, that never feels as honest as a real independent teacher. Half > the lesson is an ad. When the teaching breaks free of that and people take > the initiative to teach on their own, I think it really starts to click. It > becomes real somehow. For one thing, the teacher's whole focus and > resulting income is focused on good teaching, whereas a manufacturer just > wants to sell you their product and are just using the lessons to get you > to buy it. That's a step I've been waiting to see happen with looping. > > > historical analogies: > > Electric guitars were not very popular 50-60 years ago. The guitar itself > was not popular 100 years ago. That didn't change because Leo Fender made > an instructional video. It changed because some people made music with > guitars that other people liked. The music became hugely popular, and other > people wanted to make music like that too. So they stopped buying > accordions and banjos and bought guitars. > > Jim Marshall did not offer clinics about how distorting the crap out of his > amps was a really useful technique. No, Jimi Hendrix got on stage and got > on the radio and played great music that many people loved, and they all > wanted to be like Jimi. He happened to play a strat and a cranked marshall, > so that's what they bought so they could do it the same way he did. > > Nobody wanted Les Pauls in 1985, but they were huge again by 1990. Did > Gibson run an eye catching ad in Guitar Player with a nice font choice? No, > "Welcome to the Jungle" blew away all the pink Charvels and all the kids > wanted to be like Slash. That wasn't Gibson's idea, they just got lucky. > Guns n' Roses made the instructional videos, and MTV played them all day long. > > George Van Eps and Steve Vai both are known for playing seven string > guitars. Steve Vai was in plenty of ads holding one. Charlie Hunter plays > with 8 or nine strings. I don't think Ibanez sold many seven string guitars > because of those guys. It seems to me they sell a lot more now. Why? Korn > uses them. Korn sells more records than those guys ever have or ever will. > To get that nu metal guitar sound you need low tuned guitars, and what > better way to do that than with a low B string, the way Korn does it? Munky > and Head are not anywhere near as good as guitarists as those other guys, > but a hell of a lot more people listen to them play. So a lot more people > buy 7 string guitars. > > where does looping sit then? More later, this is long enough.... > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 15:41:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22594; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:35:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:35:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c24adc$247fa1c0$0101a8c0@o4z6b8> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <9b.2c7393a5.2a97e5cf@aol.com> Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:34:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C24AEC.E7BC2680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Messaggio in formato MIME composto da più parti. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C24AEC.E7BC2680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I AM Proud of not doing some Britney Aguilera's ripoff or some copying = job of old metal riffs and claiming I'm the new(NU) metal prophet. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 9:23 PM Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist In a message dated 8/23/02 3:00:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: where does looping sit then? 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p.s. do you really believe that = some are=20 "proud" to make music people dont like?.....i got to think about that = one a=20 bit ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C24AEC.E7BC2680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 15:42:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23190; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:41:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:41:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <123.1575e4ad.2a97e972@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:39:30 EDT Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_123.1575e4ad.2a97e972_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_123.1575e4ad.2a97e972_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/23/02 3:35:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Luigimeloni74@libero.it writes: > I AM Proud of not doing some Britney Aguilera's ripoff or some copying job > of old metal riffs and claiming I'm the new(NU) metal prophet. > damn.....and i thought doing this would get me some friends.....:).....michael --part1_123.1575e4ad.2a97e972_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/23/02 3:35:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Luigimeloni74@libero.it writes:


I AM Proud of not doing some Britney Aguilera's ripoff or some copying job of old metal riffs and claiming I'm the new(NU) metal prophet.


damn.....and i thought doing this would get me some friends.....:).....michael --part1_123.1575e4ad.2a97e972_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 15:46:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23666; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:45:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:45:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020823194312.40774.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:43:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: (take 2) EDP Intermittent Restart Thingie To: altruist@earthlink.net, loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: kim@aurisis.com, altruist@earthlink.net In-Reply-To: <157240-220028523193030572@M2W098.mail2web.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How was it, and was there much static? I have had the edp freak from static discharge on the footpedal. Kim gave me a fix for this. Put a rubber grommet around the quarter inch plug on the footpedal. This isolates the case from the footpedal ground. Static discharge may not be your problem, of course. bret --- "altruist@earthlink.net" wrote: > (Sending a second time due to apparent strangeness in my > Kinko's-powered internet-isms... not sure if it got to the list the > first > time. > Sorry for the redundancy if so!) > > Hello folks, > > A quick EDP query from the San Jose Kinko's -- > > At my gig last night I noticed a very strange thing with my EDP - it > would > occasionally go into "restart" - i.e. the "LoopIV" start-up deal > would > flash > across the screen. (Obviously, this also had the effect of killing > whatever audio was happening at the time). > > This occasionally happened all by itself, without my touching > anything > at all, and more occasionally when I would hit a button on my > footpedal. > At one point it seemed to happen when I tapped the side of the > chassis > of the pedal board, without touching any button or sending any > particular command to the EDP. > > After the last song, I looked down and the screen was COMPLETELY > dark - you ask how much blacker it could be, and the answer is: > none... > none more black. Switching the power switch off and then on brought > it > back, though... > > Additional info: > > - I was using a PMC-10 to control the EDP, plus a Boss Volume pedal. > > No EFC-7. > > - Right after the gig, I plugged it in at the place I'm staying, and > couldn't > get it to crash. I left it running all night, and it's still working > fine > this > morning. > > I've heard of this sort of thing happening with dirty SIMM sockets or > > something like that... any other ideas? Strange electrical current > things? > > If anyone has ideas, please reply to the list, not to me (as I'm > without > regular Internet access until Sunday evening), so I can try and get > it > straightened out with Kim at the session in Oakland on Sunday. > > Big thanks, > > --Andre > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 15:58:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24766; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:57:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:57:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D66931A.5070208@cabq.gov> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:55:06 -0600 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ART X-11...need some tips References: <00aa01c2438e$89e5c8f0$0bf8c440@g0wn7> <5.1.1.6.2.20020814152428.0383e008@loopers-delight.com> <001f01c24aa6$4ff1abe0$09f8c440@g0wn7> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You might try the website, although I couldnt find a listing for the X-11 in either current or discontinued products. Maybe the X-15 is programmed in a similar fashion. http://www.artproaudio.com/ http://www.artproaudio.com/products.asp?CATEGORYID=6&STATE=1 If the X-11 is anything like the X-15 I had, you may quickly grow to hate it... good luck! -jas Albuquerque Jimmy Fowler wrote: >if anybody's using this pedal, i need a little help. i bought one today to >use as a backup for my all access and it didn't come with a manual. i don't >need any extensive programming, just the basics to get my edps controlled. > >if you know of a manual source online or feel like walking me through the >basic setup for sending cc messages (not notes!) i would really appreciate >it. > >-jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 16:02:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26520; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:01:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:01:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Hello Dali Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:00:19 -0700 Message-ID: <01cb01c24adf$b5659110$dcfaec0c@ATTBI.COM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has the actual Dali Lama ever been violent? I'd say that what we have here is an example of sacrilege if I also didn't know that there's more to this diagram than meets the eye and I dare not judge it at first glance. I think the person who made this thing which is more than artwork and less than completely comforting has a warrior spirit but I have no idea where his heart lies. -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan El-Bizri [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 10:30 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hello Dali It works great on my p4, but the first few times I opened it under Cubase, it crashed out. I'm not sure what happened after that, but works fine. I've had problems like this before with Cubase, and they've all managed to solve themselves the next time I fooled around wth them. Below all that sophisticated white chrome, lurks a strange beast indeed. As far as the Lama - it rocks. Uncannily human. Endless fun. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Myers" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 6:13 PM Subject: Re: Hello Dali > Except that it does nothing but crash my G4/Cubase! Anyone else? > > David Lee Myers > http://www.pulsewidth.com > > > on 8/21/02 8:10 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > > > This sure looks cool, and it's free! Must check out! > > > > > > http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/2002/Delay-Lama.html > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 16:06:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27112; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:05:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:05:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D669404.6000203@oasis-open.org> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:59:00 -0400 From: Jeffrey Lomas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: elio@telepathyrecords.com, vze2ncsr@verizon.net, Nemoguitt@aol.com CC: bostonloopfest@randomsalt.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re:more loopfests mail list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Folks, I set up a list earlier this week for people interested in organizing/participating in a New England area loopfest. You can subscribe by sending a post to bostonloopfest-subscribe@randomsalt.com. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 16:34:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28613; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:33:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:33:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Hello Dali Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:31:01 -0700 Message-ID: <01d201c24ae3$ff71e0c0$dcfaec0c@ATTBI.COM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh by the way what's the difference between surreal and hyperreal? -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan El-Bizri [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 10:30 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hello Dali It works great on my p4, but the first few times I opened it under Cubase, it crashed out. I'm not sure what happened after that, but works fine. I've had problems like this before with Cubase, and they've all managed to solve themselves the next time I fooled around wth them. Below all that sophisticated white chrome, lurks a strange beast indeed. As far as the Lama - it rocks. Uncannily human. Endless fun. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Myers" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 6:13 PM Subject: Re: Hello Dali > Except that it does nothing but crash my G4/Cubase! Anyone else? > > David Lee Myers > http://www.pulsewidth.com > > > on 8/21/02 8:10 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > > > This sure looks cool, and it's free! Must check out! > > > > > > http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/2002/Delay-Lama.html > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 16:36:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29001; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:35:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:35:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020823203449.7369.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:34:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: (take 2) EDP Intermittent Restart Thingie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20020823194312.40774.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That should read 'How DRY was it?' --- Bret wrote: > How was it, and was there much static? > I have had the edp freak from static discharge on the footpedal. Kim > gave me a fix for this. Put a rubber grommet around the quarter inch > plug on the footpedal. This isolates the case from the footpedal > ground. > > Static discharge may not be your problem, of course. > bret > --- "altruist@earthlink.net" wrote: > > (Sending a second time due to apparent strangeness in my > > Kinko's-powered internet-isms... not sure if it got to the list the > > first > > time. > > Sorry for the redundancy if so!) > > > > Hello folks, > > > > A quick EDP query from the San Jose Kinko's -- > > > > At my gig last night I noticed a very strange thing with my EDP - > it > > would > > occasionally go into "restart" - i.e. the "LoopIV" start-up deal > > would > > flash > > across the screen. (Obviously, this also had the effect of killing > > > whatever audio was happening at the time). > > > > This occasionally happened all by itself, without my touching > > anything > > at all, and more occasionally when I would hit a button on my > > footpedal. > > At one point it seemed to happen when I tapped the side of the > > chassis > > of the pedal board, without touching any button or sending any > > particular command to the EDP. > > > > After the last song, I looked down and the screen was COMPLETELY > > dark - you ask how much blacker it could be, and the answer is: > > none... > > none more black. Switching the power switch off and then on > brought > > it > > back, though... > > > > Additional info: > > > > - I was using a PMC-10 to control the EDP, plus a Boss Volume > pedal. > > > > No EFC-7. > > > > - Right after the gig, I plugged it in at the place I'm staying, > and > > couldn't > > get it to crash. I left it running all night, and it's still > working > > fine > > this > > morning. > > > > I've heard of this sort of thing happening with dirty SIMM sockets > or > > > > something like that... any other ideas? Strange electrical current > > > things? > > > > If anyone has ideas, please reply to the list, not to me (as I'm > > without > > regular Internet access until Sunday evening), so I can try and get > > it > > straightened out with Kim at the session in Oakland on Sunday. > > > > Big thanks, > > > > --Andre > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 16:38:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29187; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:37:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:37:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:18:42 -0500 Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CFB1@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Thread-Index: AcJK2pCi7XZ7tGNtS1qdAZVwT7dofgABmgtA From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA29100 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ** first, really cogent thoughts/analysis. That stuff helps for sure, but I think it only reaches people who are already familiar with the idea and pretty close to making a decision to go for it anyway. A manufacturer can't make that happen, they can only hope to be in the right place to ride the wave when it does. The musicians are ultimately what makes it happen. ** herein lies therub, no? i guess my thinking would be that they have someone like benny reitveld (spelling, sorry) who is doing this stuff and all. people notice people like him doing stuff, people even notice david torn. if you use some of their mugs, maybe it helps people who are already familiar with the sound say, "aha, that's how he did it" - - or maybe not. it will not be on the level of the fender stratocaster - - not yet a least. the thing is, it seems like there could be a small window of opportunity for some niche marketing by these companies. In dealing with musical instrument industry for a few years, I've found that musicians are incredibly conservative people when it comes to how they make music. Sure, they'll get funny haircuts and wear crazy clothes, but they won't try a new sound. Most of them don't want to try new things, unless they see somebody else doing it successfully first. "Successfully" is the key. When they hear music that they like and see that others like it too, then they want to emulate the music and the musicians doing it. They become willing to try whatever technique or box is necessary. No video in a store gets them to that point. * correct on all accounts. but you have david torn doing stuff on albums by bowie, etc. it seems that those could be the considered someone using it successfully - - though not on korn levels (by the way, they tune their guitars down to low A, i believe). I think the steps for a new instrument becoming a popular instrument go something like this: - a new idea/instrument comes along from some bright person or company. - - etc ** re your time line. i guess the question comes down to where are we in the cycle? is gibson (fer instance) missing the window right now? Like Trey Anastasio and the Boomerang. He doesn't do ads or endorsements for it, he just uses it all the time. So his fans buy it. * the what-if being, what if they did do some advert stuff with him? stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 16:43:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29485; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:42:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:42:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <88.1d05a51f.2a97f7e1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:41:05 EDT Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, In a message dated 8/23/02 12:00:27 PM, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: >...this is an interesting thread, I think about this subject a lot. I bet you do! So do I. Advertising is my business. Nearly all of my clients are music industry manufacturers. Some of them occasionally get in a mode that they think what they really, really, REALLY need is some sort of mega-star artist endorsement to set their product off. While I will not deny that this can be a very beneficial element in the general marketing mix (providing the artist is 1: KNOWN 2: CREDIBLE and 3: INFLUENTIAL in a viable BUYING target demographic) it ain't everything . . . not by a long shot. Advertising is just another form of communication. It just puts you on the "radar screen." It's one of many ways our consumer/commercial culture speaks to itself and disseminates ideas. Good advertising/marketing can help and bad advertising can sometimes hurt. But seldom is it totally responsible for the complete success or failure of a good product "out there" in the real world. No advertising MAKES people buy things. There's no magic trick that makes consumption compulsory -- not backwards masking, not sugar, not caffeine, not even sex. Sometimes . . . there are some ideas that the world is not ready for yet. Sad to say . . . but true. Sometimes bad financial decisions get made resulting in the disappearance of great products. It's weird. If there was one specific technique or element that I could say makes or breaks a product I'd have to say it was LUCK -- being in the right place at the right time with THE GOODS that people just happen to be craving. Like the old saying: "It's smarter to be lucky than it's lucky to be smart." In the meantime all you can do is DO EVERYTHING you can to secure for yourself the brightest "blip" possible on people's "radar screens," cross your fingers and hope that the current cultural zeitgeist is rolling relentlessly your way. Nothing quite works like good luck. Advertising and artist endorsements are just part of the mix. Doing your homework and having THE GOODS are a big part of the rest of it. But if there were a sure fire way to ensure your "luck factor" I have not heard of it. End of spiel. Best regards, Ted Killian www.mp3.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 16:49:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30024; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:48:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:48:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c24ae7$6ea3bb00$69894682@lance> From: "Lance Chance" To: References: <01cb01c24adf$b5659110$dcfaec0c@ATTBI.COM> Subject: Lafayette, Louisiana Area.... Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:55:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To Whom It May Concern I was just wondering if there are any of you loop geeks out here in Louisiana, preferably close to Lafayette that would like to jam. I've got a pretty big home studio. I've got some nice gear: novation supernova2, creamware pulsar, tc fireworx, esi 4000, and a whole bunch of other keyboards, rack effects and computer hardware\software. I have a guitar rack loaded with mesa gear and an mpx-1g along with some other mesa combos and analog effects. I'm looping mainly with a repeater and an echoplex pro, but I also have a digitech 3.5 (I think) that has the wildest delay time knob on it. So you can see that I'm at least moderately serious about this thing. I'm mainly into ambient and soundbed kind of stuff with a worldbeat flair. I do a lot of long warped sounds and spoken word stuff. Of course, I have a lot of guitar driven work as well. I'd really be into just about anything, though. I have as heavy a background in dance electronica as I do in the world beat and micro tonal / found object sound and would love to work in the dance format. I am kind of a stickler for original samples, but that's negotiable as well as long as the music is original and a distinct departure from the source material. I'm looking for anybody into making some crazy noise and you don't really have to have a ton of gear as I have a lot of stuff to make crazy noises with. Hmmmm, looks like a personals ad for geeks, and I guess that's what it is. LMK, lance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 16:49:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30023; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:48:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:48:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D669F41.45103997@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:46:56 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (take 2) EDP Intermittent Restart Thingie References: <20020823203449.7369.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right. I've had this happen to me as well. It's the EPROM contacts. Must me the humidity of England where they're built, as I've never had another device have this problem. Reseating the chips seemed to fix it though. Mark Bret wrote: > > > > > > Hello folks, > > > > > > A quick EDP query from the San Jose Kinko's -- > > > > > > At my gig last night I noticed a very strange thing with my EDP - > > it > > > would > > > occasionally go into "restart" - i.e. the "LoopIV" start-up deal > > > would > > > flash > > > across the screen. (Obviously, this also had the effect of killing > > > > > whatever audio was happening at the time). > > > > > > This occasionally happened all by itself, without my touching > > > anything > > > at all, and more occasionally when I would hit a button on my > > > footpedal. > > > At one point it seemed to happen when I tapped the side of the > > > chassis > > > of the pedal board, without touching any button or sending any > > > particular command to the EDP. > > > > > > After the last song, I looked down and the screen was COMPLETELY > > > dark - you ask how much blacker it could be, and the answer is: > > > none... > > > none more black. Switching the power switch off and then on > > brought > > > it > > > back, though... > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 16:53:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30411; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:52:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:52:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D669FE6.B679910E@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:49:42 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hello Dali References: <01cb01c24adf$b5659110$dcfaec0c@ATTBI.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not sure if he's ever been violent, but I once overheard him ordering a Hot Dog from a street vendor in NYC. He said, "Make me one with everything." ba-dum-dum. Marklar MIKO wrote: > Has the actual Dali Lama ever been violent? I'd say that what we have > here is an example of sacrilege if I also didn't know that there's more > to this diagram than meets the eye and I dare not judge it at first > glance. > > I think the person who made this thing which is more than artwork and > less than completely comforting has a warrior spirit but I have no idea > where his heart lies. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan El-Bizri [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 10:30 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Hello Dali > > It works great on my p4, but the first few times I opened it under > Cubase, it crashed out. I'm not sure what happened after that, but works > fine. > > I've had problems like this before with Cubase, and they've all managed > to solve themselves the next time I fooled around wth them. Below all > that sophisticated white chrome, lurks a strange beast indeed. > > As far as the Lama - it rocks. Uncannily human. Endless fun. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Myers" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 6:13 PM > Subject: Re: Hello Dali > > > Except that it does nothing but crash my G4/Cubase! Anyone else? > > > > David Lee Myers > > http://www.pulsewidth.com > > > > > > on 8/21/02 8:10 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > > > > > This sure looks cool, and it's free! Must check out! > > > > > > > > > http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/2002/Delay-Lama.html > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 17:03:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30903; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:57:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:57:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D66A17B.BAF1F661@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:56:27 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020822193546.02191d60@loopers-delight.com> <000d01c24adb$d4731400$0101a8c0@o4z6b8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd say you're right, Kim, in conjunction with most musicians, but I think synthesizer users are probably a bit different in this regard. This might be a good market to infiltrate. Marklar > > > In dealing with musical instrument industry for a few years, I've found > > that musicians are incredibly conservative people when it comes to how > they > > make music. Sure, they'll get funny haircuts and wear crazy clothes, but > > they won't try a new sound. Most of them don't want to try new things, > > unless they see somebody else doing it successfully first. "Successfully" > > is the key. When they hear music that they like and see that others like > it > > too, then they want to emulate the music and the musicians doing it. They > > become willing to try whatever technique or box is necessary. No video in > a > > store gets them to that point. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 17:22:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01191; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 17:21:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 17:21:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 17:19:45 EDT Subject: Re: "proud" to make music people dont like (was something else) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael, In a message dated 8/23/02 12:24:57 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: >do you really believe that some are "proud" to make music people don't >like? I know your question was to Kim, but I thought I'd chime in here too. I know people who are (quite perversely) EXTREMELY proud of their self-perception as iconoclasts. It sort of plays into the whole "suffering artist as professional pop-cultural victim" syndrome. I could name names but shall decline to do so. I have close artist and musician friends who are the living image of this (at least on the surface). For the record . . . I am very aware that I (for one) make music that most folks don't like. I need look no further than my most immediate "significant others" to find that out. But it's not that I set out to be "unpopular" by design. Maybe it's just bad music. Maybe it's just me. But I do what I do. I play the stuff I do because it pleases me to do so. It'd be terrific if it were popular enough to be a self-sustaining activity . . . really! But it's not as yet (as if it even ever will be) and there is no point crying about its lack of prospects. It's certainly gratifying enough that a few folks do. But I'd still be doing it even if they didn't. I imagine that there are a lot of folks like this on this list -- not entirely indifferent to popularity -- but not particularly enslaved to it either. Maybe I'm naive. Maybe I'm just fooling myself. Maybe we're all bozo "wannabes" on this bus. Best regards, Ted Killian www.mp3.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 17:24:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00885; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 17:18:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 17:18:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.182] From: "one less than none" To: "Loopers Delight mailing list" Subject: Fw: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:13:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2002 21:15:57.0036 (UTC) FILETIME=[459AA2C0:01C24AEA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think that endorsement certainly help 'spark' interest in a technology they get peopel to look at it ! any advertising is good ! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 17:39:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02386; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 17:37:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 17:37:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:39:00 -0700 Message-ID: <3D52BC090000EDFB@mta08.san.yahoo.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: loopers in Philadelphia area? To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA02308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a friend/bandmate who has moved to the Phili area and would like to hook up with local musicians of like mind... :) He's not a strict looper, per se, but he uses live MIDI looping as one of his tools.. I played improv ambient/experimental music with him for about two years, and enjoyed it greatly... Anyone from the area? or know of anyone? Thanks in advance... :) peace -cpr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 17:40:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02592; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 17:40:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 17:40:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [80.203.45.38] From: "mark francombe" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020822193546.02191d60@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 23:53:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2002 21:38:25.0927 (UTC) FILETIME=[699B1170:01C24AED] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ALL HAIL KIM FLINT! Goddammit! These words are what I would like to have said but cant due to my recently discovered stupidity! Like 5 minutes ago! as a PS Id just like to say that If I get famous I would date Jennifer Lopez and/or Matt Damon in a second either, dont care which! both maybe? ............................... m a r k r e d www.mark-red.com ............................... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 9:00 PM Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist > well, this is an interesting thread, I think about this subject a lot. > > I think it is a little too easy to say that looping (or any other new > instrument) would be more popular if only manufacturers ran another ad, or > did a clinic, or made a video, or did more sales training, or whatever. > That stuff helps for sure, but I think it only reaches people who are > already familiar with the idea and pretty close to making a decision to go > for it anyway. > > I don't think that is the big driving force that causes a lot people to > adopt something new, especially with music gear. I think it has a lot more > to do with what is popular in music and culture. A manufacturer can't make > that happen, they can only hope to be in the right place to ride the wave > when it does. The musicians are ultimately what makes it happen. > > In dealing with musical instrument industry for a few years, I've found > that musicians are incredibly conservative people when it comes to how they > make music. Sure, they'll get funny haircuts and wear crazy clothes, but > they won't try a new sound. Most of them don't want to try new things, > unless they see somebody else doing it successfully first. "Successfully" > is the key. When they hear music that they like and see that others like it > too, then they want to emulate the music and the musicians doing it. They > become willing to try whatever technique or box is necessary. No video in a > store gets them to that point. > > I think the steps for a new instrument becoming a popular instrument go > something like this: > > - a new idea/instrument comes along from some bright person or company. > > - a few innovator/experimenter types try it out and find they like it. > Often they are in the more academic circles and not popular music. > > - time passes while these musicians learn how to play the instrument, > figure out how to incorporate it in their music, develop techniques for it, > and begin creating music with this new instrument. > > - Since they are experimenter/innovator types, they make music that most > people don't like. They are probably proud of that. But they do reach a few > new people who also see the possibilities in the instrument once they see > it used. > > - Gradually, more people pick up on the idea of this instrument from the > early adopters, and begin making more music. These are still the more early > adopter type, but not necessarily the ones who want to be first in line for > everything. Again, time passes while they really learn how to play it, and > reach a point where that instrument is key to what they do and the music is > good. > > - A few people eventually do make really, really good music with that > instrument that a lot of people listen to and like. They become really > famous and date Jennifer Lopez and/or Matt Damon. Their fans want to be > like them. > > - Now many people want to try that instrument and make the music they enjoy > listening to. They buy the instruments so they can. > > - Little cottage industries develop as the new users want to learn to play > their favorite music on that new instrument. The experienced users become > teachers and make some income showing people how to play like the famous guy. > > - More people learn to play, more good music comes from some of them, the > cycle grows.... > > > The key to it all is that popularity contest, in my opinion. When you have > good, compelling, and popular music being created on a particular > instrument, a lot of people are going to want it. > > Putting a picture of a famous guy in a magazine holding the instrument > doesn't really do much good by itself. The guy has to really use that > instrument while creating and performing the music that people like. That > fact is what will draw people to the instrument. The ad is just a reminder. > Even with no ad, the fact that he creates his famous music with that > instrument will make a big difference and sell a lot of them. Like Trey > Anastasio and the Boomerang. He doesn't do ads or endorsements for it, he > just uses it all the time. So his fans buy it. > > Another key is that it takes time. People need to learn to use the > instrument well enough to make good music with it, which can take years. > The biggest mistake I see manufacturers of new instruments make is their > time horizons are too short. They don't wait long enough for people to > really figure out their creation and put it to good enough use to inspire > others. I think that is why so many things only become popular after they > go out of production. It isn't because people only wanted it once they > couldn't have it, it's because it just takes a while for them to figure it out. > > The independent cottage industry of teachers is important too. Sure a > manufacturer would be wise to teach people how to use their stuff. But in > many ways, that never feels as honest as a real independent teacher. Half > the lesson is an ad. When the teaching breaks free of that and people take > the initiative to teach on their own, I think it really starts to click. It > becomes real somehow. For one thing, the teacher's whole focus and > resulting income is focused on good teaching, whereas a manufacturer just > wants to sell you their product and are just using the lessons to get you > to buy it. That's a step I've been waiting to see happen with looping. > > > historical analogies: > > Electric guitars were not very popular 50-60 years ago. The guitar itself > was not popular 100 years ago. That didn't change because Leo Fender made > an instructional video. It changed because some people made music with > guitars that other people liked. The music became hugely popular, and other > people wanted to make music like that too. So they stopped buying > accordions and banjos and bought guitars. > > Jim Marshall did not offer clinics about how distorting the crap out of his > amps was a really useful technique. No, Jimi Hendrix got on stage and got > on the radio and played great music that many people loved, and they all > wanted to be like Jimi. He happened to play a strat and a cranked marshall, > so that's what they bought so they could do it the same way he did. > > Nobody wanted Les Pauls in 1985, but they were huge again by 1990. Did > Gibson run an eye catching ad in Guitar Player with a nice font choice? No, > "Welcome to the Jungle" blew away all the pink Charvels and all the kids > wanted to be like Slash. That wasn't Gibson's idea, they just got lucky. > Guns n' Roses made the instructional videos, and MTV played them all day long. > > George Van Eps and Steve Vai both are known for playing seven string > guitars. Steve Vai was in plenty of ads holding one. Charlie Hunter plays > with 8 or nine strings. I don't think Ibanez sold many seven string guitars > because of those guys. It seems to me they sell a lot more now. Why? Korn > uses them. Korn sells more records than those guys ever have or ever will. > To get that nu metal guitar sound you need low tuned guitars, and what > better way to do that than with a low B string, the way Korn does it? Munky > and Head are not anywhere near as good as guitarists as those other guys, > but a hell of a lot more people listen to them play. So a lot more people > buy 7 string guitars. > > where does looping sit then? More later, this is long enough.... > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 17:43:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03029; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 17:42:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 17:42:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: About dealys and keeping a poker face Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:40:02 -0700 Message-ID: <01e001c24aed$a3513cf0$dcfaec0c@ATTBI.COM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <7984DB.A.5o.TvqZ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't hit me with your phazer but after a minor delay I realize that there's someone tappin' at my door- quoth the Raven, nevermore. I'm the hunter and the game, cat meeting mouse. Your little audionerdz public eye oxymoron Telly Savalas message of a wolf in sheep's clothing got my hair raisin' up on my back. So open those black doors for me because all the advantages of who I am come to those who put their confidence in me and by this I mean - confide, confide. Meanwhile let me loop back to my Meow Mix. Rowr. And Klink says "I no nussing." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 18:09:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06087; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:07:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:07:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.182] From: "one less than none" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020822193546.02191d60@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 23:03:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2002 22:05:51.0703 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E908E70:01C24AF1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think endorsers certainly help to get interest in a product From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 18:09:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06197; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:08:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:08:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020823143816.037adef0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:08:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist In-Reply-To: <000d01c24adb$d4731400$0101a8c0@o4z6b8> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020822193546.02191d60@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i hate it when people want to argue the details of an example instead of the concept being illustrated, but anyway... At 12:32 PM 8/23/2002, Luigi Meloni wrote: >Great analisys, Kim... >Only a thing... Many seven string guitar players learned 'bout the existence >of seven stringers because of the ads featuring Steve Vai in the mid to late >eighties... probably including the guys in Korn. >And Steve Vai is still reputed more influential than the various >Korn and clones... you're fooling yourself. Steve Vai stopped being relevant or influential 15 years ago, and even then he was only interesting to guitar nerds. Sure, he has a core group of fans who care about what he does, but nobody new is entering the picture. Hardly anybody under the age of 30 would even know who he is, and he's not inspiring people to go learn to play guitar anymore. He might have been the one who got a few people interested in playing seven string guitar a long time ago, but right now, Korn is huge and they do inspire people to go buy and learn to play seven string guitar today. A lot more people than Steve Vai ever reached. That was my point. >Just think about P.R.S. guitars... >In all the eighties and the nineties I've never seen as much photos >featuring those guitars around... God... the Santana SE ads have some >Nu-metal jerk on them, not Santana. well duh. Santana is great, but he's old news. Everybody who was going to be influenced by Santana already got influenced 25 years ago. The "nu metal jerk" probably reaches far more people today than Santana has in years. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 18:30:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07908; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:30:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:30:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.182] From: "one less than none" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020822193546.02191d60@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020823143816.037adef0@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 23:25:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2002 22:27:38.0350 (UTC) FILETIME=[496310E0:01C24AF4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree Kim korn did far more for seven strings than vai as for PRS I think the creed guy has been there best thing in the last few years [apart from there reputation] I firmly believe that the mass market is 'ignorant' or uneducated in what is available and what is possible ... ok, so most [possible all] people on this list are exempt from the above statement, but most people here are 'experimental' musicians with an interest in gear a lot of people rant, I have found myself at gigs explaining compression, modulation, looping etc etc etc a lot of people just don't know what these things are !!!! so I still think and endorser would help generate exposure and interest ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 11:08 PM Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist > i hate it when people want to argue the details of an example instead of > the concept being illustrated, but anyway... > > At 12:32 PM 8/23/2002, Luigi Meloni wrote: > >Great analisys, Kim... > >Only a thing... Many seven string guitar players learned 'bout the existence > >of seven stringers because of the ads featuring Steve Vai in the mid to late > >eighties... > > probably including the guys in Korn. > > >And Steve Vai is still reputed more influential than the various > >Korn and clones... > > you're fooling yourself. Steve Vai stopped being relevant or influential 15 > years ago, and even then he was only interesting to guitar nerds. Sure, he > has a core group of fans who care about what he does, but nobody new is > entering the picture. Hardly anybody under the age of 30 would even know > who he is, and he's not inspiring people to go learn to play guitar > anymore. He might have been the one who got a few people interested in > playing seven string guitar a long time ago, but right now, Korn is huge > and they do inspire people to go buy and learn to play seven string guitar > today. A lot more people than Steve Vai ever reached. That was my point. > > >Just think about P.R.S. guitars... > >In all the eighties and the nineties I've never seen as much photos > >featuring those guitars around... God... the Santana SE ads have some > >Nu-metal jerk on them, not Santana. > > well duh. Santana is great, but he's old news. Everybody who was going to > be influenced by Santana already got influenced 25 years ago. The "nu metal > jerk" probably reaches far more people today than Santana has in years. > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 18:46:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08979; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:45:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:45:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005601c24ac3$e099d010$04f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <00aa01c2438e$89e5c8f0$0bf8c440@g0wn7> <5.1.1.6.2.20020814152428.0383e008@loopers-delight.com> <001f01c24aa6$4ff1abe0$09f8c440@g0wn7> <3D66931A.5070208@cabq.gov> Subject: Re: ART X-11...need some tips Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 17:41:05 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm sure i'll be disappointed by the X-11, but like i said, it's a backup and need only do the most basic of tasks. i found the manual for the X-12, which apparently followed immediately behind the X-11. we'll see. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 18:49:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09372; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:49:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:49:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005c01c24ac4$4fa19470$04f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <01cb01c24adf$b5659110$dcfaec0c@ATTBI.COM> <001401c24ae7$6ea3bb00$69894682@lance> Subject: Re: Lafayette, Louisiana Area.... Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 17:44:11 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lance- i'm in hattiesburg, ms...i don't know how far that is from lafayette... email me off the list (jimfowler@prodigy.net) -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 19:14:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12072; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:13:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:13:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020823161409.02298ee0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:15:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: ART X-11...need some tips In-Reply-To: <001f01c24aa6$4ff1abe0$09f8c440@g0wn7> References: <00aa01c2438e$89e5c8f0$0bf8c440@g0wn7> <5.1.1.6.2.20020814152428.0383e008@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <7IzWAC.A.D8C.XFsZ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:09 AM 8/23/2002, Jimmy Fowler wrote: >if anybody's using this pedal, i need a little help. i bought one today to >use as a backup for my all access and it didn't come with a manual. i don't >need any extensive programming, just the basics to get my edps controlled. I don't think that pedal can be used to control the echoplex. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 20:37:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17134; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:36:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:36:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004801c24b06$32ed61a0$9ab55e0c@u73x0> From: "Cino" To: References: <01cb01c24adf$b5659110$dcfaec0c@ATTBI.COM> <3D669FE6.B679910E@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Hello Dali Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:35:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <8UPtS.A.6KE.XTtZ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com regarding the Dalai Lama, Mark said: > Not sure if he's ever been violent, but I once overheard him ordering a Hot > Dog from a street vendor in NYC. > > He said, "Make me one with everything." > > ba-dum-dum. Yes, but that's only half the story. After receiving his red-hot, he paid the vendor with a twenty-dollar bill. The vendor thanked him and asked the next customer in line for his order. The Dalai Lama protested, asking "Where's my change?" "Change must come from within." the vendor replied knowingly. -- rim shot -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 20:41:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17385; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:40:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:40:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <76.21449cb8.2a982f8a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:38:34 EDT Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_76.21449cb8.2a982f8a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_76.21449cb8.2a982f8a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/23/02 4:37:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes: > Like Trey Anastasio and the Boomerang. He doesn't do ads or endorsements for > it, he > just uses it all the time. So his fans buy it. > what about this months G.P. with the picture of jon scofields pedal board and there sits the mighty "rang +".....whats that picture worth?.....i hope that not hearing from mike nelson at boomerang means he blowin these puppies out for the greater glory of the loop.....michael --part1_76.21449cb8.2a982f8a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/23/02 4:37:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes:


Like Trey Anastasio and the Boomerang. He doesn't do ads or endorsements for it, he
just uses it all the time. So his fans buy it.


what about this months G.P. with the picture of jon scofields pedal board and there sits the mighty "rang +".....whats that picture worth?.....i hope that not hearing from mike nelson at boomerang means he blowin these puppies out for the greater glory of the loop.....michael --part1_76.21449cb8.2a982f8a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 20:46:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17661; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:44:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:44:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <38.2cf766be.2a9830a1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:43:13 EDT Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_38.2cf766be.2a9830a1_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: <3QxPC.A.cTE.CbtZ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_38.2cf766be.2a9830a1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/23/02 4:41:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes: > current cultural zeitgeist is > rolling relentlessly aint this from a cs&n song?.....michael --part1_38.2cf766be.2a9830a1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/23/02 4:41:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes:


current cultural zeitgeist is
rolling relentlessly


aint this from a cs&n song?.....michael --part1_38.2cf766be.2a9830a1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 20:55:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18182; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:55:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:55:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 17:53:34 -0700 Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020822193546.02191d60@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I found Kim's comments interestingly reminiscent of some papers on technology adoption I just read. http://www.dreamsongs.com/NewFiles/AcceptanceModels.pdf http://www.dreamsongs.com/NewFiles/Innovation.pdf These papers focus primarily on the software industry but they have some broader implications. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 23 22:30:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25436; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:24:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:24:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:23:02 -0700 Subject: Re: EDP Hardware Interface Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <128.166b5102.2a974867@aol.com> Message-Id: <6A9D7710-B708-11D6-9F0A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <-dM1iC.A.xMG.J4uZ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think the EDP comes off as being very non intuitive at first. After a little exploration, with some help from Andre Lafosse's EDP pages, I realize it's all about the set up. Once you've got it set up like you like it, it's pretty easy to use, IMO. Once you figure out what the functions really do, the set up is not bad either. But, like most things, it's a matter of becoming intimate with your tools. I found the Repeater's front interface easy to figure out right out of the box, much easier to learn than the Repeater (OK manual too) but later found it awkward to use live. Adding a good MIDI controller helped a lot (FCB1010), but it really came down to practice. I did a show with the Repeater on Monday, and I think it was maybe the first gig where I was totally comfortable with the Repeater and could use it without thinking. Marklar On Friday, August 23, 2002, at 01:12 AM, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: >> Thank you Aurisis! > > seconded > >> The capabilities you've made available are really quite amazing. But >> the >> device-interface through which one accesses these capalilties isn't >> really >> rich enough to really "get at things" easily. Especially with Loop >> IV. > > Well the device is designed to work "hands off", > so you can control with your feet while playing your > instrument. > Easiest way is to create a number "presets" for > whatever it is you want to do. > Then the 7 buttons on the footpedal can do all sorts > of stuff. > > Bet you find it easier the more you play;-) > > > In order to get "foot access" to the presets, and > to the extended MIDI functions you need a MIDI controller. > (just like with any rack unit) > This will really open things up for you. > > > andy butler > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 00:34:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01892; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 00:32:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 00:32:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006201c24b27$e237a320$fdcbcb97@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <01d201c24ae3$ff71e0c0$dcfaec0c@ATTBI.COM> Subject: Re: Hello Dali Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 00:36:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <6V6j4B.A.2b.GwwZ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One is more surreal :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "MIKO" To: Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 4:31 PM Subject: RE: Hello Dali > Oh by the way what's the difference between surreal and hyperreal? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan El-Bizri [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 10:30 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Hello Dali > > > > It works great on my p4, but the first few times I opened it under > Cubase, it crashed out. I'm not sure what happened after that, but works > fine. > > I've had problems like this before with Cubase, and they've all managed > to solve themselves the next time I fooled around wth them. Below all > that sophisticated white chrome, lurks a strange beast indeed. > > As far as the Lama - it rocks. Uncannily human. Endless fun. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Myers" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 6:13 PM > Subject: Re: Hello Dali > > > > Except that it does nothing but crash my G4/Cubase! Anyone else? > > > > David Lee Myers > > http://www.pulsewidth.com > > > > > > on 8/21/02 8:10 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > > > > > This sure looks cool, and it's free! Must check out! > > > > > > > > > http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/2002/Delay-Lama.html > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 00:40:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02539; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 00:39:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 00:39:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008b01c24b28$ebcab2a0$fdcbcb97@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 00:44:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK - God help me for saying this, especially here... I don't know if I can do it..... j-just one word about a musician who---(oh, please help me!)---has possibly introduced more loopists to looping--- Fripp. Aaaaaaaaagh! I said it! I'm going to regret this!! PULEEZE don't let me burn in hell!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "one less than none" To: "Loopers Delight mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 5:13 PM Subject: Fw: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist > I think that endorsement certainly help 'spark' interest in a technology > they get peopel to look at it ! > any advertising is good ! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 00:41:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02741; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 00:40:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 00:40:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010c01c24b27$fd31c3e0$6262f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200208232230.SAA08096@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Nu Metal vs. Steve Vai vs. Santana Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:37:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <3nFlPB.A.kn.E4wZ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Our esteemed leader, Kim wrote: "well duh. Santana is great, but he's old news. Everybody who was going to be influenced by Santana already got influenced 25 years ago. The "nu metal jerk" probably reaches far more people today than Santana has in years." I agree with your take on Vai, Steve, but I think you are dead wrong about Santana. Remember, he had a number one hit this last year and sold some 7 million copies of the record it came off of. The numbers speak for themselves. I heard of an interview with him where he was talking about how many young fans were at his concert who had brought their parents along (or vice versa). You just can't rack up those kinds of commercial numbers without having an effect on the culture at large. I've always love Carlos's music (heck, I used to go see him play in the parks for free on Sundays growing up when his band was called the Carlos Santana Blues Band and he had not even begun his Latino/Blues hybrid and was only playing straight Chicago styled electric blues) so my ears perked up when he was so successful last year. What I noticed was that for about 4 months his music was EVERYWHERE in Santa Cruz: in coffee shops, bookstores, bars, on people's car stereos. It would be very interesting to find out how many young people are aware of his music. I would guess that it would be much more than you might think. yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 01:07:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05129; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 01:07:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 01:07:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00cb01c24b2c$b34ce340$fdcbcb97@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <6A9D7710-B708-11D6-9F0A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: EDP Hardware Interface Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 01:11:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <6hXF7D.A.SPB.cQxZ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So, basically you agree with me. The interface on the EDP DOESN'T give you the ability to do things that you CAN do if you use ANOTHER interface -- namely a MIDI controller of some kind. Take away the Musical Information Digital INTERFACE -- and you're not going to accomplish what you can WITH one. Let me put it another way... It's easy pretty easy to RECORD, OVERDUB, MULTIPLY, INSERT, MUTE, UNDO and do NEXTLOOP... And in a few places, one can replace one capability for another -- For example INSERT can be swapped for REVERSE. That's what's accessible from the hardware interface on the EDP. And, in many, many ways that's A LOT! But what I'm getting at is the true power of the EDP is in the software -- thanks to the ongoing development work of the guys at AURSIS. Yes, maybe the new pre-sets capability -- one I remember talking to Kim about many many many moons ago -- will help me, as I don't inhabit a MIDI world. But, take away yer MIDI controller, and your back to RECORD, OVERDUB, MULTIPLY, INSERT, MUTE, UNDO and NEXTLOOP pretty damn quick... (Or am I missing something really embarrassingly obvious about the EDP.... :-) ) David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 10:23 PM Subject: Re: EDP Hardware Interface > I think the EDP comes off as being very non intuitive at first. After a > little exploration, with some help from Andre Lafosse's EDP pages, I > realize it's all about the set up. Once you've got it set up like you > like it, it's pretty easy to use, IMO. Once you figure out what the > functions really do, the set up is not bad either. > > But, like most things, it's a matter of becoming intimate with your > tools. I found the Repeater's front interface easy to figure out right > out of the box, much easier to learn than the Repeater (OK manual too) > but later found it awkward to use live. Adding a good MIDI controller > helped a lot (FCB1010), but it really came down to practice. I did a > show with the Repeater on Monday, and I think it was maybe the first gig > where I was totally comfortable with the Repeater and could use it > without thinking. > > Marklar > > On Friday, August 23, 2002, at 01:12 AM, SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > > >> Thank you Aurisis! > > > > seconded > > > >> The capabilities you've made available are really quite amazing. But > >> the > >> device-interface through which one accesses these capalilties isn't > >> really > >> rich enough to really "get at things" easily. Especially with Loop > >> IV. > > > > Well the device is designed to work "hands off", > > so you can control with your feet while playing your > > instrument. > > Easiest way is to create a number "presets" for > > whatever it is you want to do. > > Then the 7 buttons on the footpedal can do all sorts > > of stuff. > > > > Bet you find it easier the more you play;-) > > > > > > In order to get "foot access" to the presets, and > > to the extended MIDI functions you need a MIDI controller. > > (just like with any rack unit) > > This will really open things up for you. > > > > > > andy butler > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 01:46:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06775; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 01:46:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 01:46:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c24b31$561fcac0$0101a8c0@o4z6b8> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020822193546.02191d60@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020823143816.037adef0@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 07:44:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, what I meant was that you don't call a guitar SANTANA SE and then take someone else to advertise it... It seems to be to be a nonsense. For the other part, Korn are almost dead (commercially speaking) from the last 'official remix album' (three or four years ago??), and I don't think that Frank Zappa or Chick Corea are to be considered old guitar nerds...but that is only my opinion... Peacee Luigi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 12:08 AM Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist > i hate it when people want to argue the details of an example instead of > the concept being illustrated, but anyway... > > At 12:32 PM 8/23/2002, Luigi Meloni wrote: > >Great analisys, Kim... > >Only a thing... Many seven string guitar players learned 'bout the existence > >of seven stringers because of the ads featuring Steve Vai in the mid to late > >eighties... > > probably including the guys in Korn. > > >And Steve Vai is still reputed more influential than the various > >Korn and clones... > > you're fooling yourself. Steve Vai stopped being relevant or influential 15 > years ago, and even then he was only interesting to guitar nerds. Sure, he > has a core group of fans who care about what he does, but nobody new is > entering the picture. Hardly anybody under the age of 30 would even know > who he is, and he's not inspiring people to go learn to play guitar > anymore. He might have been the one who got a few people interested in > playing seven string guitar a long time ago, but right now, Korn is huge > and they do inspire people to go buy and learn to play seven string guitar > today. A lot more people than Steve Vai ever reached. That was my point. > > >Just think about P.R.S. guitars... > >In all the eighties and the nineties I've never seen as much photos > >featuring those guitars around... God... the Santana SE ads have some > >Nu-metal jerk on them, not Santana. > > well duh. Santana is great, but he's old news. Everybody who was going to > be influenced by Santana already got influenced 25 years ago. The "nu metal > jerk" probably reaches far more people today than Santana has in years. > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 02:00:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08590; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 02:00:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 02:00:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:56:26 -0700 Subject: Re: EDP Hardware Interface From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00cb01c24b2c$b34ce340$fdcbcb97@hppav> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1ZjOLB.A.1EC.uCyZ9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/23/02 10:11 PM, David at vze2ncsr@verizon.net wrote: > But, take away yer MIDI controller, and your back to RECORD, OVERDUB, > MULTIPLY, INSERT, MUTE, UNDO and NEXTLOOP pretty damn quick... (Or am I > missing something really embarrassingly obvious about the EDP.... :-) ) Well, many of the parameters are editable while looping so you actually can get to a lot more. It just isn't particularly direct. So, let's rephrase this to: What can't you do with just the footswitch? * Change the interface mode * Change quantization * Change rounding * Change the number of loops * Change the meaning of the insert button * Change the other configuration parameters * Change 8ths per cycle * Switch presets On the other hand, many of those parameter changes are things that you are less likely to want to change while playing and they aren't all that hard to change if you can push some buttons on the front panel. Furthermore, with presets, they become quite easy to change if you don't mind having everything change at once. Yes, there are limits to what you can get to. There are also significant benefits to having things fit in a reasonably sized space. Here's my personal catalog of the major looping operations -- provided you aren't Andre: * Record * Overdub with high feedback -- e.g., building up a single part in passes * Overdub with reduced feedback -- e.g., gradually replacing a part * Substitute -- i.e., overdub with feedback = 0% * Multiply * Hold/Play * Fade -- i.e. Input = 0%, feedback < 100% * Mute Multiple loops add in a few more tweaks as does undo. In any event, all of those are accessible from the EDP with the standard footpedal and a feedback pedal or directly from the front panel. The DL4 actually demonstrates that you can get a good chunk of this functionality with even fewer buttons. It's too bad they don't let you use the expression pedal to control loop feedback. I've been thinking about the function sets from the standpoint of trying to imagine what a good multitrack looper should support. You need a way to specify which track you are editing (i.e., record, overdub, multiply or any of the other fun things if you like from the EDP). You need buttons to control that editing process. You also need a way to set the non-editing loops to Hold, Fade, or Mute. Being able to bounce would also be cool, but at some point we run out of space for knobs and buttons. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 03:03:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA12414; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 03:02:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 03:02:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 00:00:23 -0700 Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <008b01c24b28$ebcab2a0$fdcbcb97@hppav> Message-Id: <2908CBF8-B72F-11D6-9F0A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why splutter? Whether you like his music or not, Fripp's a big part of the looping world. The end. In my opinion, he's one of the only of his kind that hasn't gone all soft. He's a nice cranky OCD guitarist, and I still listen to King Crimson all the time. God Save The Queen was probably one of my first introductions to any looping. He claims to have never gotten a dime, or even a working EH16 even though they marketed it as a "Fripp in the box." Mark Sottilaro On Friday, August 23, 2002, at 09:44 PM, David wrote: > > > > > Fripp. > > Aaaaaaaaagh! I said it! I'm going to regret this!! PULEEZE don't let > me > burn in hell!! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "one less than none" > To: "Loopers Delight mailing list" > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 5:13 PM > Subject: Fw: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist > > >> I think that endorsement certainly help 'spark' interest in a >> technology >> they get peopel to look at it ! >> any advertising is good ! >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 03:31:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA13499; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 03:30:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 03:30:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 02:20:53 -0500 Subject: looping article | history From: adam To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello a nice little looping article for all of us. looks like it may be an ongoing series... http://www.audiomidi.com/classroom/software/loops_part1.cfm?cpid=89 gimme more! adam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 07:38:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27596; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 07:35:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 07:35:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020821231711.00852720@pop.earthlink.net> References: <200208211429.g7LETdcJ009522@well.com> <200208211429.g7LETdcJ009522@well.com> <3.0.5.32.20020821231711.00852720@pop.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:32:40 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Santanas looping bassist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I actually think alot of guitarists in particular don't even like longer >delays. One reason for this might be a fear factor at the idea of having >what one plays repeated back at them instantaneously in a large enough part >so that it now becomes like listening to one's self from a tape or >recording device rather than just playing. This could be fear of making a >mistake which then gets repeated back to them, or the idea of tape shyness, >which tends, however to go away, with more experience. Another possible >point of contention might be that the guitarist might feel they need to >wait for the delayed loop to finish before playing again, since they may be >used to simply playing a single line in a steady stream. -and may feel >that adding more sound might be somewhat confusing or hard to follow. >-just my thoughts... > >Smiles, > >CQ interesting thoughts... reminds me that guitar is not the most apropriate instrument for looping! for me it is perfect, because I was always more into the melodic expression. But for a "rhythm guitar" player, it does not help much, does it? Much better for solo instruments like voice or woodwinds Or percussion! interesting also, that the "mirror effect" which I find the most fascinating about looping, can be scary, annoying for someone not used to himself. For such person there is probably no other way than getting used sooner or later, but a sales person or a star musician may not be the appropriate help for this step... I still think there is a whole range of therapeutic use of loops which is not explored! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 07:38:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27594; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 07:35:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 07:35:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:32:40 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Trilok Gurtu's loop device? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >gary@friendlyspider.com (Gary Phillips) wrote: >...but that's like God opening up for the Pope... :-)) > > Is that Johnny's bassist extraordinaire...? >> >Percussion player. The guy with the drums spread out all over the floor. >I quite liked Alegria, if that's the Johnny you are talking about. A friend of >mine is doing some remixes for TG now, I didn't know he was into >loop gear, I'll >pass this along and see if I can find out. about 4 year ago, I talked to him at the PercPan, the percussion festival in Salvador. He speaks perferct german. He is a good friend of Nana Vasconcelos and Gilberto Gil. Then he showed some little interest in looping... About 15 years ago, he became famous for his drumming with McLaughlin and his snare sound. Ted said: >I have a couple of Mr. Gurtu's CDs. The one I listen to >most often is "Crazy Saints" with Pat Metheny and >Joe Zawinul. I have that one and dont like it too much either... I remember it sais David Gilmore on guitar? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 07:40:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA28047; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 07:39:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 07:39:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <104.1a89e3f5.2a966eb1@aol.com> References: <104.1a89e3f5.2a966eb1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:35:59 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id HAA27616 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >matthias, you said something about product endorsements being old-school & >boring, or something much like that..... Oh, David, thank you for caring! : It was rather about the adds that show the guy with his thing, compared to the real thing like a concert where we can see what he does and most important: feel the result! Sure some EDPs would be sold if we had an add with you holding it and smiling... I am not sure about face wrinkes though... ;-) I think it depends a lot on the type of product and customers. Some things you cannot sell to someone who understands about it, so the endorser add is the only way to sell it! ;-) A looping tool may be too dificult to explain in an add... >personally, i think that endorsements can be very useful & more than a little >practical, when: >1) they reflect real useage, fundamental to me >2) the market niche is well-defined, and >3) they are pursued w/some long-range plan w/educational depth, especially >and most specifically in regards to 'hidden' instruments..... such as the edp. >(this is certainly the repeat of a discussion that i began having w/both kim >and the then-not-ready-for-committment-folks-at-gibson, when the edp was >first released, after the failure of lexicon higher-up execs to stick w/a >long-range plan for marketing the jamman). yes, such serious endorsing/education is what we need, it seems. >with a hidden *player's* instrument like the edp ---(ie, the instrument is >being used intensively, but the audience can't *see* either it or the >player's direct interaction with it ---eg, benny reitveld at the santana >performance --- unlike a les paul/a dw drumkit/or even a waldorf synth >etc)--- it seems that such endorsements might even be necessary; Well, this thread started because my friend Samuel *saw* the EDP on Santanas stage. Maybe someone who has no idea about it, would have more trouble to figure out which machine did the trick. The LEDs tell... But would someone who liked the bass solo and did not see how it was done rather look through a magazine until he sees Bennys face or step into a shop and ask or google for it? I am of the kind that walks toards the stage before and after the show and sometimes wait until the musician or roadie come out... sometimes they are friendly to answer some questions... in this aspect, smaller shows are more efficient, though. >my strongest suggestion, those years ago and *still*, would be to follow up >the endorsement w/a series of **regular** looping clinic-tours sponsored by >the manufacturer, w/instructional videos (or whatever) made available for >sale (but, free-of-charge to salesfolk at the retail level), also by the >manufacturer. yesyesyes, no doubt, go ahead! ;-) > >of course, in my own case, gibson dropped the planning-ball many, many moons >ago; >though: >i made myself available, for whatever that might have been worth ---(not very >much to them, obviously, i guess!)--- ..... and left the door wide open, >w/absolutely no response from any business-planning folk at >gibson/trace/gibson. >that little bit off my hairy chest: >i'm sooooo very glad to see that andré/kim/etc have (rightfully, as andré is >such a rocking edp-badass) begun a new forward-thrust, on their own >initiative. > >so, regarding looping-devices, i guess i'd opine that some truthful >endorsements might be --- at least, eventually--- more than a bit valuable to >a manufacturer interested in (and capable of actuating) longer-range planning. >if the manufacturers want people to buy the product, but folks >a) don't have an idea of what-it-is, and >b) are clueless as to how they might use it, themselves, well..... > >the word must go out, somehow --- i guess that's what LD is for, eh? --- and >i'm led to speculate that the manufacturers, themselves, tend to lose deeply >via their lack of marketing commitment/planning vis-a-vis looping instruments. thank you for signing this frank opinion! > >just ruminating..... >best, >dt / splattercell -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 08:45:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31977; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 08:44:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 08:44:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <027a01c24b6b$5b0f2be0$893c5cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #283 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 08:39:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #283 August 22, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Hemisphere, a band from Germany known for dark electronic ambient excursions. The Featured CD at midnight was "NOW" on the Groove label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Bhakti Point" by Richard Burmer on the Fortuna label. Hemisphere http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#aug PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Richard Burmer Nightland Bhakti Point (Fortuna) Steve Roach and Taking Flight Trance Spirits (Projekt) Jeffrey Fayman John Lyell and Ethereal Float Synthetic Universe (Solar Wind) Brent Reiland Ben Swire Interim Equilibrium (Foundry) Cipher One Who Whispers One Who Whispers (Gliss) Asmus Tiechens and IV The Shifts Recyclings vidnaObmana (Soleilmoon) Ian Boddy Frozen Web Box of Secrets (DiN) 12:00 am Hemisphere Red NOW (Groove) Hemisphere Orange NOW (Groove) Hemisphere Blue NOW (Groove) Hemisphere White NOW (Groove) Hemisphere Red (reprise) NOW (Groove) Hemisphere Black * NOW (Groove) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Hemisphere. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Attachment X" on the Groove label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Gandharva" by Beaver and Krause on the Warner Brothers label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiy.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 10:58:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07019; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 10:58:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 10:58:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D679E82.B615BDCC@Verizon.net> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 10:56:02 -0400 From: Dan Ash X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Subject: Re: ART X-11...need some tips References: <200208241138.HAA27930@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The X-11 manual is apparently still available from ART. They used to have some online (I downloaded my X-15 manual there some time ago). But my (brief) search of the site leads me to believe they no longer make them available online. >From the ART website: www.artroch.com Q: How can I acquire a replacement manual for my ART processor? A: Replacement manuals are available from ART with a written request and a check or money order for US$10.00. Look for manuals in Adobe Acrobat format available on-line. Dan Ash From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 11:16:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09219; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:15:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:15:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <173.d6f0dc7.2a98fcd0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:14:24 EDT Subject: Re: looping article | history To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com submersible@worldnet.att.net writes: re: dr. zvonar's article: >a nice little looping article for all of us. looks like it may be an ongoing >series... yes; i enjoyed that, even though it is missing some crucial elements as regards lineal descent to the present..... looking forward to more. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 11:20:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09618; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:20:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:20:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 08:18:25 -0700 Subject: Re: Nu Metal vs. Steve Vai vs. Santana From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200208241138.HAA27928@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another way to look at the "Supernatural" phenomena is that groovy Rob Thomas sold 7 million records, and hey--who's that old Mexican buy playing guitar? Every year there's a record that crosses generations and sells boatloads out of left field, but it doesn't translate into an ongoing interest in that music. One year it was Santana's guest vocalist record, another it's Bueno Vista All-Stars, then it's the "Brother, Where Art Thou?" soundtrack, but don't hold your breath for a sweeping interest in Cuban or Bluegrass music. People like to buy an oddball record or two each year, but it doesn't mean they all go wide and deep in buying other records of that genre/artist. TH >Our esteemed leader, Kim wrote: >"well duh. Santana is great, but he's old news. Everybody who was going to >be influenced by Santana already got influenced 25 years ago. The "nu metal >jerk" probably reaches far more people today than Santana has in years." >I agree with your take on Vai, Steve, but I think you are dead wrong about >Santana. >Remember, he had a number one hit this last year and sold some 7 million >copies of the record it came off of. >The numbers speak for themselves. I heard of an interview with him where he >was talking about how many young fans were at his concert who had brought >their parents along (or vice versa). >You just can't rack up those kinds of commercial numbers without having an >effect on the culture at large. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 11:51:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10949; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:50:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:50:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00cb01c24b2c$b34ce340$fdcbcb97@hppav> References: <6A9D7710-B708-11D6-9F0A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <00cb01c24b2c$b34ce340$fdcbcb97@hppav> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 17:49:37 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP Hardware Interface Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I think the EDP comes off as being very non intuitive at first. After a >> little exploration, with some help from Andre Lafosse's EDP pages, I >> realize it's all about the set up. Once you've got it set up like you >> like it, it's pretty easy to use, IMO. Once you figure out what the > > functions really do, the set up is not bad either. > > I dont see any need to set it up, unless you start syncing. Right out of the box you can use the basic functions and do what many musicians do for decades, without need for anything more. >So, basically you agree with me. > >The interface on the EDP DOESN'T give you the ability to do things that you >CAN do if you use ANOTHER interface -- namely a MIDI controller of some >kind. > >Take away the Musical Information Digital INTERFACE -- and you're not going >to accomplish what you can WITH one. thats true, but not drastic, since you get over 80% of the functionality from the front. > >Let me put it another way... > >It's easy pretty easy to RECORD, OVERDUB, MULTIPLY, INSERT, MUTE, UNDO and >do NEXTLOOP... And in a few places, one can replace one capability for >another -- For example INSERT can be swapped for REVERSE. That's what's >accessible from the hardware interface on the EDP. not quite: the main trick of the interface is to allow many more functions by long presses and what we call cross functions: the meaning of the button depends on the state you are in: Multiply-Record = unrounded Multiply Mute-Insert = trigger sample Mute-Multiply = ReAlign (only usefull when syncing) ... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 11:52:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10966; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:51:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:51:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <010c01c24b27$fd31c3e0$6262f93f@global> References: <200208232230.SAA08096@hemlock.violacea.com> <010c01c24b27$fd31c3e0$6262f93f@global> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 17:49:32 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Nu Metal vs. Steve Vai vs. Santana Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >I've always love Carlos's music (heck, I used to go see him play in the >parks for free on Sundays growing up when his band was called the Carlos >Santana Blues Band and he had not even begun his Latino/Blues hybrid and was >only playing straight Chicago styled electric blues) >so my ears perked up when he was so successful last year. > >What I noticed was that for about 4 months his music was EVERYWHERE in Santa >Cruz: in coffee shops, bookstores, bars, on people's car stereos. right and all arround the world, while some other supposedly famous stuff I may never have heard of because I was not in US and dont listen to the radio. But the Santana CD I experienced at full lenght for sun down from some cottage at the beach in Salvador... And in Europe similarely, one of the few islands in techno land... And I trust that his motive to play is not the money nor beeing better than others... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 13:11:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17065; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:05:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:05:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 10:03:58 -0700 Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7AF925F6-B783-11D6-9F0A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How about something cheap and simple? Rather than a single product endorsement, why not make some or all of your customers endorsers? How, you ask? They way most every manufacturer does it: Stickers. Every EDP should come with a nice bumper sticker that could say, "Loops via Echoplex by Gibson" We put these stickers on our racks, or they could anywhere visible. Every time we play a gig, regardless of people trying to see what's in your rack, they'd know. Doesn't much matter if they care, it will be in their subconcious. Then, when they pop in the latest Bowie album and get hit with that obvious loop, they might make the connection, if they care like musicians do. Anyway, couldn't hurt and it wouldn't really cost much to implement. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, August 24, 2002, at 04:35 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: > >> matthias, you said something about product endorsements being >> old-school & >> boring, or something much like that..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 13:25:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17722; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:16:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:16:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:15:55 -0400 Subject: A/B switch for Echoplex From: Laurent Brondel To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, has anyone tried to control 2 Echoplexes with a single footpedal? I'm trying to use a simple A/B box between a single footpedal and 2 echoplexes and only one side seems to be working (A/B box works fine in other contexts). Is there a resistor to place somewhere, ground issues, another solution? I wish to use both echoplexes independently without floor clutter. Thanks! -- Laurent Brondel laurentbrondel@earthlink.net http://www.laurentbrondel.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 13:25:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17951; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:21:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:21:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 10:20:55 -0700 Subject: Re: EDP Hardware Interface Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 99% of what I do begins with a MIDI clock. Either because I've got another musician looping with me, or another device that needs to stay in synch with what I'm doing. My frustration with the EDP manual was that I couldn't just find all the functions that dealt with MIDI synch in one section. I knew what I wanted to do, but the terminology wasn't the most clear, and the presentation of information very awkward. This is when I gave up on the manual to some degree, and went to Andre's site. His aural examples, coupled with an explanation of his parameters was all I needed to figure out how to set my EDP up to do what I want. Most of the time I keep the EDP like the first example on this link: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP/2001.html Marklar On Saturday, August 24, 2002, at 08:49 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: >> > I think the EDP comes off as being very non intuitive at first. >> After a >>> little exploration, with some help from Andre Lafosse's EDP pages, I >>> realize it's all about the set up. Once you've got it set up like >>> you >>> like it, it's pretty easy to use, IMO. Once you figure out what the >> > functions really do, the set up is not bad either. >> > > > I dont see any need to set it up, unless you start syncing. > Right out of the box you can use the basic functions and do what many > musicians do for decades, without need for anything more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 13:34:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18681; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:32:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:32:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 10:31:14 -0700 Subject: Re: A/B switch for Echoplex From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6-ow-C.A.7iE.JM8Z9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think I tried it very briefly and it worked, but I ended up returning the A/B switch because it was too confusing without some indication of whether it was going to A or B. For people who've done this, I'd like recommendations on what A/B switches have worked well. (I know. I could start drilling holes and making my own footswitch...) Mark on 8/24/02 10:15 AM, Laurent Brondel at laurentbrondel@earthlink.net wrote: > Hello, has anyone tried to control 2 Echoplexes with a single footpedal? I'm > trying to use a simple A/B box between a single footpedal and 2 echoplexes > and only one side seems to be working (A/B box works fine in other > contexts). Is there a resistor to place somewhere, ground issues, another > solution? I wish to use both echoplexes independently without floor clutter. > Thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 13:52:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19288; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:45:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:45:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.182] From: "one less than none" To: References: <7AF925F6-B783-11D6-9F0A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:41:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01C24B9D.E8919980" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2002 17:44:09.0104 (UTC) FILETIME=[D97FD900:01C24B95] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C24B9D.E8919980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable very very good idea I think that it is the fact that most people do not know about looping awareness raising is what is needed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 6:03 PM Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist > How about something cheap and simple? Rather than a single product=20 > endorsement, why not make some or all of your customers endorsers? = How,=20 > you ask? They way most every manufacturer does it: Stickers. >=20 > Every EDP should come with a nice bumper sticker that could say, = "Loops=20 > via Echoplex by Gibson" We put these stickers on our racks, or they=20 > could anywhere visible. Every time we play a gig, regardless of = people=20 > trying to see what's in your rack, they'd know. Doesn't much matter = if=20 > they care, it will be in their subconcious. Then, when they pop in = the=20 > latest Bowie album and get hit with that obvious loop, they might make = > the connection, if they care like musicians do. >=20 > Anyway, couldn't hurt and it wouldn't really cost much to implement. >=20 > Mark Sottilaro >=20 > On Saturday, August 24, 2002, at 04:35 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: >=20 > > > >> matthias, you said something about product endorsements being=20 > >> old-school & > >> boring, or something much like that..... >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C24B9D.E8919980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
very very good idea
I think that it is the fact that most = people do=20 not know about looping
awareness raising is what is = needed
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Sottilaro" <sine@zerocrossing.net>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 6:03=20 PM
Subject: Re: loop device endorsement = - was=20 Santanas looping bassist

> How about something cheap and simple?  Rather than a = single=20 product
> endorsement, why not make some or all of your customers = endorsers?  How,
> you ask?  They way most every = manufacturer=20 does it: Stickers.
>
> Every EDP should come with a nice = bumper=20 sticker that could say, "Loops
> via Echoplex by Gibson"  We = put=20 these stickers on our racks, or they
> could anywhere = visible. =20 Every time we play a gig, regardless of people
> trying to see = what's in=20 your rack, they'd know.  Doesn't much matter if
> they care, = it will=20 be in their subconcious.  Then, when they pop in the
> = latest Bowie=20 album and get hit with that obvious loop, they might make
> the=20 connection, if they care like musicians do.
>
> Anyway, = couldn't=20 hurt and it wouldn't really cost much to implement.
>
> = Mark=20 Sottilaro
>
> On Saturday, August 24, 2002, at 04:35  = AM,=20 Matthias Grob wrote:
>
> >
> >> matthias, = you said=20 something about product endorsements being
> >> old-school=20 &
> >> boring, or something much like that.....
>=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C24B9D.E8919980-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 14:00:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20011; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:59:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:59:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c24b98$3993e0a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: A/B switch for Echoplex Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:01:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <7AwiwC.A.93E.qk8Z9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use the Morley ABY box for this. Works fine when in A *or* B only setting, ie, pointing the footswitch at one Echoplex at a time. When using the A *and* B mode, Record and Overdub work simultaneously on both EDPs, but above that (Multiply, Insert, Undo, etc), you get strange results. No worries tho, because I just "link" the EDPs via ControlSource when I want them to work simultaneously (stereo operation). In the linked case, I set the Morely box to the A position, where my master EDP controls both. The Morley box has LEDs to indicate what's what, and runs a long time on a single 9v battery. Hope that helps. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: "Looper's Delight" Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 12:31 PM Subject: Re: A/B switch for Echoplex > I think I tried it very briefly and it worked, but I ended up returning the > A/B switch because it was too confusing without some indication of whether > it was going to A or B. For people who've done this, I'd like > recommendations on what A/B switches have worked well. (I know. I could > start drilling holes and making my own footswitch...) > > Mark > > on 8/24/02 10:15 AM, Laurent Brondel at laurentbrondel@earthlink.net wrote: > > > Hello, has anyone tried to control 2 Echoplexes with a single footpedal? I'm > > trying to use a simple A/B box between a single footpedal and 2 echoplexes > > and only one side seems to be working (A/B box works fine in other > > contexts). Is there a resistor to place somewhere, ground issues, another > > solution? I wish to use both echoplexes independently without floor clutter. > > Thanks! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 14:01:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19525; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:50:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:50:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020824124127.02a3bec0@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 12:47:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: Loops of the Rich & Famous (was: loop device endorsement) In-Reply-To: <008b01c24b28$ebcab2a0$fdcbcb97@hppav> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:44 AM 8/24/2002 -0400, David wrote: >j-just one word about a musician who---(oh, please help me!)---has possibly >introduced more loopists to looping--- > > > > > >Fripp. Well, if you consider that it was Eno who first wired up Fripp for looping, who then is actually the most influential...? <*duckflee!*> ;) -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 14:02:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19905; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:56:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:56:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 12:55:51 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <7AF925F6-B783-11D6-9F0A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > ... > Every EDP should come with a nice bumper sticker > that could say, "Loops via Echoplex by Gibson" > ... Yes! Great idea, Mark! Send me a gazillion (you can start with 2 or 3) and I'll put them everywhere. And while we're at it how 'bout some with just "www.loopersdelight.com"? Simple and to the point. So is somebody going to talk to Gibson about this? And should we start an LD bumper sticker project? - Dennis Leas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 14:08:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21691; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:03:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:03:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: A/B switch for Echoplex Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:01:14 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hello, has anyone tried to control 2 Echoplexes with a single footpedal? You might find this useful: http://www.worldserver.com/leas/pedal.htm Kim, you're welcome to grab a copy of this page and photos for the LD website. Or should I email them to you? - Dennis Leas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 14:11:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22302; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:10:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:10:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:08:02 -0500 Subject: Re: A/B switch for Echoplex Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i got my pair working with one footpedal. just sync them together and midi out of the master into the slave. plug your footpedal into the master. no need for an a/b box. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 14:11:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22366; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:11:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:11:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:05:00 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: looping article | history In-reply-to: <173.d6f0dc7.2a98fcd0@aol.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <173.d6f0dc7.2a98fcd0@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:14 AM -0400 8/24/02, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: >it is missing some crucial elements as regards lineal descent to the >present..... I'm aware of that and invite all of you to make suggestions and contributions to a revision and expansion of the articles. I was under deadline and didn't do as good a job as I'd like in some areas. The historical part is stronger up through the '60s, particularly with respect to who did what, when. The period after that is almost entirely a technical survey. It is probably incomplete even at that, but in particular I didn't delve into the "who, when" aspects of the 1970-to-present development. That's where I could use some help, because frankly I wasn't paying much attention to what other people were doing during that period and serious historical documentation hasn't been easy to find. I encourage an open discussion of this topic here on the list. For one thing it will help me in my historical researches and help to insure that critical lines of development don't get ignored in anything I publish on the audioMIDI.com site or elsewhere in future. For another thing it will be an opportunity for people here to reveal their own looping heritage. For instance, I was personally introduced to the idea of double-tracking by Peggy Lee's demonstration on the Walt Disney show in 1955 (the Siamese cats in "Lady and the Tramp"), and to tape speed change as an effect at around the same time (Chip an Dale). I encountered reverse playback in the early '60s (WBZ DJ Dick Summer) and musical uses of tape loops in 1966 (the Beatles "Tomorrow Never Knows" and Steve Reich's "Come Out"). I learned of dual-deck tape delay with regeneration through Pauline Oliveros's "I of IV" in 1967. I started doing tape multitrack recording in 1966 and tape manipulation in 1969. My first performances with tape delays were in 1976 and my first work with tape loops was in 1977. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 14:19:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22616; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:13:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:13:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005101c24b9a$4c6db460$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: A/B switch for Echoplex Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:15:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There is if you want to control them independently. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 2:08 PM Subject: Re: A/B switch for Echoplex > i got my pair working with one footpedal. just sync > them together and midi out of the master into the > slave. plug your footpedal into the master. no need > for an a/b box. > > -jim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 14:20:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23031; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:20:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:20:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:19:15 -0500 Subject: Re: A/B switch for Echoplex Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ah...yes...i didn't notice that in the original email. oops. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 14:22:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23228; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:22:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:22:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:20:59 -0700 Subject: Re: A/B switch for Echoplex Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3D64B0BA-B78E-11D6-9F0A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think he wants them to behave independently. No? Marklar On Saturday, August 24, 2002, at 12:08 PM, JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net wrote: > i got my pair working with one footpedal. just sync > them together and midi out of the master into the > slave. plug your footpedal into the master. no need > for an a/b box. > > -jim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 14:23:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23351; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:22:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:22:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:21:44 -0500 Subject: Re: ART X-11...need some tips Resent-Message-ID: <4XqChC.A.DqF.568Z9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I don't think that pedal can be used to control the >echoplex. i certainly hope this isn't the case. i got the x-12 manual, and apparently the two are very similar. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 14:24:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23144; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:21:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:21:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:19:49 -0700 Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <13B83A5A-B78E-11D6-9F0A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <7v6KS.A.ZnF.H58Z9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd be up for designing the sticker, but I don't have mass sticker printing access. Marklar On Saturday, August 24, 2002, at 10:55 AM, Dennis W. Leas wrote: >> ... >> Every EDP should come with a nice bumper sticker >> that could say, "Loops via Echoplex by Gibson" >> ... > > > Yes! Great idea, Mark! > > Send me a gazillion (you can start with 2 or 3) and I'll put them > everywhere. > > And while we're at it how 'bout some with just "www.loopersdelight.com"? > Simple and to the point. > > So is somebody going to talk to Gibson about this? And should we start > an > LD bumper sticker project? > > - Dennis Leas > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 14:27:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23103; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:20:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:20:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:17:59 -0700 Subject: Re: Loops of the Rich & Famous (was: loop device endorsement) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020824124127.02a3bec0@icicle.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I meant influential to looping guitarists, mainly. Eno is , of course, major in his own right. Mark On Saturday, August 24, 2002, at 10:47 AM, Catilyne wrote: > At 12:44 AM 8/24/2002 -0400, David wrote: > >> j-just one word about a musician who---(oh, please help me!)---has >> possibly >> introduced more loopists to looping--- >> >> >> >> >> >> Fripp. > > Well, if you consider that it was Eno who first wired up Fripp for > looping, who then is actually the most influential...? > > <*duckflee!*> ;) > > -c- > > _____ > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > -recoil > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 14:37:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24792; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:35:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:35:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:34:51 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <13B83A5A-B78E-11D6-9F0A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'd be up for designing the sticker, but > I don't have mass sticker printing access. Thanks, Mark! I'd love to see your design. I'd think the mass printing should be the easy part. We've got some LD folks here who know about such things, right? (Ya'll speak up now, hear?) I'd kick in some bucks for the project. If several of us do a bit, shouldn't cost any of us very much. - Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 14:54:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25588; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:54:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:54:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c24ba0$59847a20$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: Subject: Re: A/B switch for Echoplex Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:59:18 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For the drilling&soldering types - I'm looking at my EDP footswitch now and wondering if there might be a suitable taller momentary switch which could be drilled and mounted above each current switch with its own jack on the back. Then there'd be 2 independent sets in the same floorspace. Some paint or electrical tape across that area (to cover the logos) would keep it from looking too chaotic. Just a suggestion... Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > I think I tried it very briefly and it worked, but I ended up returning the > A/B switch because it was too confusing without some indication of whether > it was going to A or B. For people who've done this, I'd like > recommendations on what A/B switches have worked well. (I know. I could > start drilling holes and making my own footswitch...) > > Mark > > on 8/24/02 10:15 AM, Laurent Brondel at laurentbrondel@earthlink.net wrote: > > > Hello, has anyone tried to control 2 Echoplexes with a single footpedal? I'm > > trying to use a simple A/B box between a single footpedal and 2 echoplexes > > and only one side seems to be working (A/B box works fine in other > > contexts). Is there a resistor to place somewhere, ground issues, another > > solution? I wish to use both echoplexes independently without floor clutter. > > Thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 14:59:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25952; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:58:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:58:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D67E47D.660CCA0B@cabq.gov> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 12:54:37 -0700 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i "volunteer" my wife to get the scoop on printing stickers. i will report back to y'all next week about it. -jas Albuquerque "Dennis W. Leas" wrote: > > I'd be up for designing the sticker, but > > I don't have mass sticker printing access. > > Thanks, Mark! I'd love to see your design. > > I'd think the mass printing should be the easy part. We've got some LD > folks here who know about such things, right? (Ya'll speak up now, hear?) > > I'd kick in some bucks for the project. If several of us do a bit, > shouldn't cost any of us very much. > > - Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 15:25:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28123; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 15:24:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 15:24:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 12:23:27 -0700 Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3D67E47D.660CCA0B@cabq.gov> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Now we're cooking with gas. On Saturday, August 24, 2002, at 12:54 PM, Jason Fink wrote: > i "volunteer" my wife to get the scoop on printing stickers. > i will report back to y'all next week about it. > > -jas > Albuquerque From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 15:27:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28321; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 15:27:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 15:27:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 15:26:39 -0400 Subject: Re: A/B switch for Echoplex From: Laurent Brondel To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000d01c24b98$3993e0a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 8/24/02 2:01 PM, "Doug Cox" wrote: > I use the Morley ABY box for this. Works fine when in A *or* B only > setting, ie, pointing the footswitch at one Echoplex at a time. When using > the A *and* B mode, Record and Overdub work simultaneously on both EDPs, but > above that (Multiply, Insert, Undo, etc), you get strange results. No > worries tho, because I just "link" the EDPs via ControlSource when I want > them to work simultaneously (stereo operation). In the linked case, I set > the Morely box to the A position, where my master EDP controls both. > > The Morley box has LEDs to indicate what's what, and runs a long time on a > single 9v battery. > > Hope that helps. > > Doug In fact I just bought one and it does exactly what I need. Thanks all for the super quick replies. Doug, how do you link both EDPs with control source? I'd love to be able to switch between stereo operation and 2 independent EDPs without plugging and unplugging the MIDI and BrotherSync cords behind my rack. Sorry for the questions, I just got 2 used EDPs (the manual could be a little clearer), I used a JamMan for years before so it's fairly new territory. Best, -- Laurent Brondel laurentbrondel@earthlink.net http://www.laurentbrondel.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 16:31:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32317; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:29:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:29:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c24bad$a370cfa0$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Recorded Skies Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:34:25 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday August 27th - Recorded Skies Join Recorded Skies for an evening of computer­-evolved synthscapes, haunting digital frequencies, processed acoustic pleasures and 'classic­style lyrical ambience'. With Rod Caballero (Future Rhetoric) on computer and violin, Jeff Chown on treated percussion and Steffi Conant on cello and delay loops. Imagine Brian Eno, Ravel and The Police on vacation together in an orbital getaway. Between sets CD - "Forgotten Places" by James Johnson and Robert Scott Thompson (Zero Music) http://www.zeromusic.net Floating ambience featuring sparce gentle piano over drifting synths. This 2001 CD has been compared repeatedly to prime Harold Budd. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . @ PiNG THiNGS - Just in this week, 4 titles from Denver, Colorado ambient artist Numina http://www.frii.com/~numina including "Evolving Visions" and his newest, "Solice". . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the PiNG THiNGS ambient/experimental CD boutique. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday September 3rd - Planet Of The Loops This edition of the Planet Of The Loops' bi­monthly looping series features Derek Andrew Orford (Thin Buckle, Look People) and Andrew Aldridge (Sarah Slean, Kathryn Rose) on guitars, treatments and (of course) loops. If the word "Frippertronics" means something to you - don't miss this episode of The Planet's looping improv series. The Planet - http://www.geocities.com/energymadeaudible/planet.html More info on Derek Andrew Orford's musical (and political) activities can be found on Kevin Hearn's site: http://www.kevinhearn.com Andrew A.- http://www.geocities.com/energymadeaudible/homepage.html Between Sets CD - "Evening Star" by Fripp & Eno (Editions EG) Speaking of "Frippertronics", this 1975 collaboration between Robert Fripp and Brian Eno (who introduced Fripp to the tape looping system he later dubbed "Frippertronics") displays the delicate ambient side of looping on side 1 (which we'll hear) and the dense, aggressive side on side 2's "An Index Of Metals" (which we'll hear a bit of). Fripp - http://www.elephant-talk.com Eno - http://music.hyperreal.org/artists/brian_eno . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 16:46:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00740; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:45:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:45:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhR/5+1aBEa9V5xnbpawA8lZslvstQIUEvZZfWyUi99gkBUb+dzZVx9GNi4= From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:44:48 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Message-ID: <3161-3D67F040-23@storefull-2352.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "one less than none" 's message of Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:41:50 +0100 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <1xlDpD.A.YK.CB_Z9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree also, a sticker is great advertisment. Sneak out at night and hit the parking lots of clubs. I'll take a few. People will say, what the hell is looping, and some will look into finding out what it is. Need a fantastic eye catching logo. Bill/las vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 16:47:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00858; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:46:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:46:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <12.244e532e.2a994a5d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:45:17 EDT Subject: Re: loopers in Philadelphia area? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12.244e532e.2a994a5d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10514 Resent-Message-ID: <58Woy.A.ML.iB_Z9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_12.244e532e.2a994a5d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well hi there Cpr There are a few loopers in Philly For starters, AKASH is in - dah house - right here in The Old City Section of Dwntwn Philly. & AKASH: http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic has been known to loop a just a little bit from time to time. Also note that from Philly is a cool young fellow by the name of David Talento who released one of the Looper's Delight Music CD's. Then also look for a verteran & delightful musician by the name of Charles Cohen who has for years made incredible and delicious music with many great people ( Cecil Taylor being one of em ) while for the most part being based right here in Philly. There is another great guitarist/improvising type guy named David Forlano who loops from time to time and has great sense of timig, note placement and regard for silence. There is also a real chubby, but cute, 30 soemerthin-isg, bespectled Black guy named, John Price whom you can see usually on the streets of Philly playin his black carlo robelli archtop guitar with a Line 6 DL/4 & Peavey Battery Amp in Old City or South Street on weekends w/ good weather. John Price is usually blowing some might fine straight ahead jazz stylings or droning with an e-bow. or he is in a Prono Bondage Band Looping and watching the wild action on stage with AKASH. & also see Mr. John Price with his "John Price Trio" blowing Jazz, Bop and Loop oriented ballads with a decidely jazz/blues & subtle world feel to it I'm certain that I am also leaving out many other wonderful and interesting folks from Philadelphia whom I just may not be aware of yet. But if you look and scratch the surface of Philly, theres tons of music outta Philly from Hip-Hop, Drum n Bass ( Josh Wink, Elliott Levin, Saul Stokes, Dieselboy, King Britt, Eve, Pink, The Roots, Musique, Toshi Makihara, Jill Scott, etc ) to free jazz to avant garde to Pop and Bluegrass/World/Folk and more. You are in a town filled w/ a rich talented and compelling set of original musicians all with many unique perspectives & stories told with a depth and clairty like no other you will find in any other American City IMHO. & I tell ya, it must be somethin in our "hoagies" here that makes Philly such fertile ground for so many good & vital music(s)/musicians and artists. so Yo! Hope to seeya's round town sometime soon :) Warmest Regards, John Price/AKASH "The World's Most Erotic Band" http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic 215.485.6128 Phone "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" --part1_12.244e532e.2a994a5d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well hi there Cpr

There are a few loopers in Philly

For starters, AKASH is in - dah house - right here in The Old City Section of Dwntwn Philly.

& AKASH: http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic
has been known to loop a just a little bit from time to time.

Also note that from Philly is a cool young fellow by the name of David Talento who released one of the Looper's Delight Music CD's.

Then also look for a verteran & delightful musician by the name of Charles Cohen who has for years made incredible and delicious music with many great people ( Cecil Taylor being one of em ) while for the most part being based right here in Philly.

There is another great guitarist/improvising type guy named David Forlano who loops from time to time and has great sense of timig, note placement and regard for silence.

There is also a real chubby, but cute, 30 soemerthin-isg, bespectled Black guy named, John Price whom you can see usually on the streets of Philly playin his black carlo robelli archtop guitar with a Line 6 DL/4 & Peavey Battery Amp in Old City or South Street on weekends w/ good weather.

John Price is usually blowing some might fine straight ahead jazz stylings or droning with an e-bow. or he is in a Prono Bondage Band Looping and watching the wild action on stage with AKASH.
& also see Mr. John Price with his "John Price Trio" blowing Jazz, Bop and Loop oriented ballads with a decidely jazz/blues & subtle world feel to it

I'm certain that I am also leaving out many other wonderful and interesting folks from Philadelphia whom I just may not be aware of yet.

But if you look and scratch the surface of Philly, theres tons of music outta Philly from Hip-Hop, Drum n Bass ( Josh Wink, Elliott Levin, Saul Stokes, Dieselboy, King Britt, Eve, Pink, The Roots, Musique, Toshi Makihara, Jill Scott, etc ) to free jazz to avant garde to Pop and Bluegrass/World/Folk and more.

You are in a town filled w/ a rich talented and compelling set of original musicians all with many unique perspectives & stories told with a depth and clairty like no other you will find in any other American City IMHO.

& I tell ya, it must be somethin in our "hoagies" here that makes Philly such fertile ground for so many good & vital music(s)/musicians and artists.

so Yo! Hope to seeya's round town sometime soon :)

Warmest Regards,
John Price/AKASH
"The World's Most Erotic Band"
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic
215.485.6128 Phone
"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"

 --part1_12.244e532e.2a994a5d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 16:59:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01670; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:58:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:58:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:57:21 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Loops of the Rich & Famous (was: loop device endorsement) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01ee01c24bb0$d72be2a0$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020824124127.02a3bec0@icicle.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catilyne" > At 12:44 AM 8/24/2002 -0400, David wrote: > > >j-just one word about a musician who---(oh, please help me!)---has possibly > >introduced more loopists to looping--- > > > > > > > > > > > >Fripp. > > Well, if you consider that it was Eno who first wired up Fripp for looping, > who then is actually the most influential...? Those two guys are the first I mention when folks ask about my influences. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 17:01:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02977; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:59:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:59:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:58:44 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <020001c24bb1$088195c0$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020822193546.02191d60@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020823143816.037adef0@loopers-delight.com> <002d01c24b31$561fcac0$0101a8c0@o4z6b8> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luigi Meloni" To: Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 1:44 AM Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist > Kim, what I meant was that you don't call a guitar SANTANA SE and then take > someone else to advertise it... > It seems to be to be a nonsense. > > For the other part, Korn are almost dead (commercially speaking) from the > last 'official remix album' (three or four years ago??), and I don't think > that Frank Zappa or Chick Corea are to be considered old guitar nerds...but > that is only my opinion... Corea doesn't even play guitar! * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 18:00:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06959; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 17:59:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 17:59:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.144.129.88] From: "Jonathan Yandel" To: Subject: Re: Nu Metal vs. Steve Vai vs. Santana Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:57:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.02.0005.2201 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0005_01C24B8F.6266B560" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2002 21:57:55.0088 (UTC) FILETIME=[4CE4A100:01C24BB9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_001_0005_01C24B8F.6266B560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with Kim. While some kids may be digging Santana these days (cer= tainly more so than Vai), there is no possible way one can say that kids = are listening to him as much as they are listening Korn and the like. Sa= ntana may have had a number one hit, but were kids waiting in line to buy= his new cd, as they did for the new Korn (at least here in chicago)? I = don't want to step on anyone's toes, but I don't think that this was Kim'= s point to begin with... jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 12:25 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Nu Metal vs. Steve Vai vs. Santana Our esteemed leader, Kim wrote: "well duh. Santana is great, but he's old news. Everybody who was going t= o be influenced by Santana already got influenced 25 years ago. The "nu met= al jerk" probably reaches far more people today than Santana has in years." I agree with your take on Vai, Steve, but I think you are dead wrong abou= t Santana. Remember, he had a number one hit this last year and sold some 7 million copies of the record it came off of. The numbers speak for themselves. I heard of an interview with him where= he was talking about how many young fans were at his concert who had brought their parents along (or vice versa). You just can't rack up those kinds of commercial numbers without having a= n effect on the culture at large. I've always love Carlos's music (heck, I used to go see him play in the parks for free on Sundays growing up when his band was called the Carlos Santana Blues Band and he had not even begun his Latino/Blues hybrid and = was only playing straight Chicago styled electric blues) so my ears perked up when he was so successful last year. What I noticed was that for about 4 months his music was EVERYWHERE in Sa= nta Cruz: in coffee shops, bookstores, bars, on people's car stereos. It would be very interesting to find out how many young people are aware of his music. I would guess that it woul= d be much more than you might think. yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool)Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer = download : http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0005_01C24B8F.6266B560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
<= DIV>I agree with Kim.  While some kids may be digging Santana these = days (certainly more so than Vai), there is no possible way one can say t= hat kids are listening to him as much as they are listening Korn and the = like.  Santana may have had a number one hit, but were kids waiting = in line to buy his new cd, as they did for the new Korn (at least here in= chicago)?  I don't want to step on anyone's toes, but I don't think= that this was Kim's point to begin with...
jonathan
 
<= DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message -----
From: = Rick Walker/Loop.pooL
Sent: = Saturday, August 24, 2002 12:25 AM
= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Nu Metal vs. Steve Vai vs. Santana
 

Our esteemed leader, Kim wrote:

"well duh. Santan= a is great, but he's old news. Everybody who was going to
be influence= d by Santana already got influenced 25 years ago. The "nu metal
jerk" = probably reaches far more people today than Santana has in years."

I agree with your take on Vai, Steve, but I think you are dead wrong= about
Santana.

Remember, he had a number one hit this last yea= r and sold some 7 million
copies of the record it came off of.

=
The numbers speak for themselves.  I heard of an interview with = him where he
was talking about how many young fans were at his concert= who had brought
their parents along (or vice versa).

You just = can't rack up those kinds of commercial numbers without having an
effe= ct on the culture at large.

I've always love Carlos's music (heck,= I used to go see him play in the
parks for free on Sundays growing up= when his band was called the Carlos
Santana Blues Band and he had not= even begun his Latino/Blues hybrid and was
only playing straight Chic= ago styled electric blues)
so my ears perked up when he was so success= ful last year.

What I noticed was that for about 4 months his musi= c was EVERYWHERE in Santa
Cruz: in coffee shops, bookstores, bars, on = people's car stereos.

It would be very interesting to find out
= how many young people are aware of his music.  I would guess that it= would
be much more than you might think.

yours,  Rick Wal= ker (loop.pool)


Get= more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

------=_NextPart_001_0005_01C24B8F.6266B560-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 18:04:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07234; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:03:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:03:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.144.129.88] From: "Jonathan Yandel" To: Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 17:02:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.02.0005.2201 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0006_01C24B8F.FBCFC7A0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2002 22:02:12.0077 (UTC) FILETIME=[E61209D0:01C24BB9] Resent-Message-ID: <5S0ocC.A.BvB.CKAa9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01C24B8F.FBCFC7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree. Fripp probably exposed more guitarists to looping (kudos to Eno= as well) than anybody. He may not be the best the looping world has had= to offer, but he certainly has had an impact. And yes, one must respect= him for sticking to his guns for his entire career. jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Sottilaro Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 2:03 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Why splutter? Whether you like his music or not, Fripp's a big part of =20 the looping world. The end. In my opinion, he's one of the only of his =20 kind that hasn't gone all soft. He's a nice cranky OCD guitarist, and I =20 still listen to King Crimson all the time. God Save The Queen was =20 probably one of my first introductions to any looping. He claims to have never gotten a dime, or even a working EH16 even =20 though they marketed it as a "Fripp in the box." Mark Sottilaro On Friday, August 23, 2002, at 09:44 PM, David wrote: > > > > > Fripp. > > Aaaaaaaaagh! I said it! I'm going to regret this!! PULEEZE don't let =20 > me > burn in hell!! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "one less than none" > To: "Loopers Delight mailing list" > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 5:13 PM > Subject: Fw: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist > > >> I think that endorsement certainly help 'spark' interest in a =20 >> technology >> they get peopel to look at it ! >> any advertising is good ! >> >> >Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn= .com ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01C24B8F.FBCFC7A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I agree. = Fripp probably exposed more guitarists to looping (kudos to Eno as well)= than anybody.  He may not be the best the looping world has had to = offer, but he certainly has had an impact.  And yes, one must respec= t him for sticking to his guns for his entire career.
jonathan=
 
 
----- Original= Message -----
From: Mark Sottilaro
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 2:03 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
<= DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">Subject: Re: loop device endorsemen= t - was Santanas looping bassist
 
Why splutter?&nbs= p; Whether you like his music or not, Fripp's a big part of
the loopi= ng world.  The end.  In my opinion, he's one of the only of his=
kind that hasn't gone all soft.  He's a nice cranky OCD guitari= st, and I
still listen to King Crimson all the time.  God Save T= he Queen was
probably one of my first introductions to any looping.
He claims to have never gotten a dime, or even a working EH16 even =
though they marketed it as a "Fripp in the box."

Mark Sottilar= o

On Friday, August 23, 2002, at 09:44  PM, David wrote:
&= gt; <splutter>
> <sputter>
> <splutter>
= >
> Fripp.
>
> Aaaaaaaaagh! I said it!  I'm goi= ng to regret this!!  PULEEZE don't let
> me
> burn in h= ell!!
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>= ; From: "one less than none" <onelessthannone@hotmail.com>
> = To: "Loopers Delight mailing list" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.co= m>
> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 5:13 PM
> Subject: Fw: = loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist
>
>>> I think that endorsement certainly help 'spark' interest in a <= BR>>> technology
>> they get peopel to look at it !
>= ;> any advertising is good !
>>
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>

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------=_NextPart_001_0006_01C24B8F.FBCFC7A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 18:54:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10628; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:53:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:53:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c24bc1$a4707540$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <7AF925F6-B783-11D6-9F0A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:57:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Excellent idea! > Every EDP should come with a nice bumper sticker that could say, "Loops > via Echoplex by Gibson" And CHEAP too! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 18:55:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10818; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:55:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:55:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020824225356.54793.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 15:53:56 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: ART X-11...need some tips To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If it's like the X-15, you'll find that the switches can't be programmed to act as momentary switches. John --- JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net wrote: > >I don't think that pedal can be used to control the > > >echoplex. > > i certainly hope this isn't the case. i got the > x-12 > manual, and apparently the two are very similar. > > -jim > > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 19:04:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12513; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 19:03:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 19:03:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: looping gig Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:02:47 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: ART X-11...need some tips Thread-Index: AcJLwZ1wswkrF6wMREquO3Gt2eCQvwAAgDZg From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2002 23:02:48.0242 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D64C920:01C24BC2] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA12462 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Off to another looping gig in Bloomington,IN , hey you guys still have time to fly in to see it.........NOT!!! Hey its at 8pm at soma tonight!! Fun, solo improvised guitar and guitar loops done on the fly, well you know the drill!!! This one will be outoors,should be ok!!! nor rain hopefully Denis Denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 19:08:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12782; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 19:08:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 19:08:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b901c24bc3$cbb778e0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP Hardware Interface Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 19:13:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B6_01C24BA2.4437FBE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B6_01C24BA2.4437FBE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What you guy are pointing out to me is that many more features are = accessible from the existing EDP hardware interface than I'm taking = advantage of. =20 And that some others capabilities are easiest accessed via a midi = controller. Dealing with all these variables/parameters live and while playing with = other people is just a headful of stuff to keep track of. I guess I'm just a bit of a bonehead and hate dealing with manuals. AURISIS -- is the Loop IV software code-base portable to the PC and MAC = OS's?? David ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 1:20 PM Subject: Re: EDP Hardware Interface > 99% of what I do begins with a MIDI clock. Either because I've got=20 > another musician looping with me, or another device that needs to stay = > in synch with what I'm doing. My frustration with the EDP manual was=20 > that I couldn't just find all the functions that dealt with MIDI synch = > in one section. I knew what I wanted to do, but the terminology = wasn't=20 > the most clear, and the presentation of information very awkward. >=20 > This is when I gave up on the manual to some degree, and went to = Andre's=20 > site. His aural examples, coupled with an explanation of his = parameters=20 > was all I needed to figure out how to set my EDP up to do what I want. = =20 > Most of the time I keep the EDP like the first example on this link: >=20 > http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP/2001.html >=20 > Marklar >=20 > On Saturday, August 24, 2002, at 08:49 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: >=20 > >> > I think the EDP comes off as being very non intuitive at first. = > >> After a > >>> little exploration, with some help from Andre Lafosse's EDP = pages, I > >>> realize it's all about the set up. Once you've got it set up = like=20 > >>> you > >>> like it, it's pretty easy to use, IMO. Once you figure out what = the > >> > functions really do, the set up is not bad either. > >> > > > > > I dont see any need to set it up, unless you start syncing. > > Right out of the box you can use the basic functions and do what = many=20 > > musicians do for decades, without need for anything more. >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00B6_01C24BA2.4437FBE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What you guy are pointing out to me is = that many=20 more features are accessible from the existing EDP hardware interface = than I'm=20 taking advantage of. 
 
And that some others capabilities are = easiest=20 accessed via a midi controller.
 
Dealing with all these = variables/parameters live=20 and while playing with other people is just a headful of stuff to keep = track=20 of.
 
I guess I'm just a bit of a bonehead = and hate=20 dealing with manuals.
 
AURISIS -- is the Loop = IV software=20 code-base portable to the PC and MAC OS's??
 
David
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Sottilaro" <sine@zerocrossing.net>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 1:20=20 PM
Subject: Re: EDP Hardware=20 Interface

> 99% of what I do begins with a MIDI clock.  Either = because I've=20 got
> another musician looping with me, or another device that = needs to=20 stay
> in synch with what I'm doing.  My frustration with = the EDP=20 manual was
> that I couldn't just find all the functions that = dealt with=20 MIDI synch
> in one section.  I knew what I wanted to do, = but the=20 terminology wasn't
> the most clear, and the presentation of = information=20 very awkward.
>
> This is when I gave up on the manual to = some=20 degree, and went to Andre's
> site.  His aural examples, = coupled=20 with an explanation of his parameters
> was all I needed to = figure out=20 how to set my EDP up to do what I want. 
> Most of the time = I keep=20 the EDP like the first example on this link:
>
> http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP/2001.html
>
> Marklar
>
> On Saturday, August 24, = 2002, at=20 08:49  AM, Matthias Grob wrote:
>
> >>  = > I=20 think the EDP comes off as being very non intuitive at first.  =
>=20 >> After a
> >>>  little exploration, with = some help=20 from Andre Lafosse's EDP pages, I
> >>>  realize = it's all=20 about the set up.  Once you've got it set up like
> = >>>=20 you
> >>>  like it, it's pretty easy to use, = IMO.  Once=20 you figure out what the
> >>  > functions really do, = the set=20 up is not bad either.
> >>  >
> >
> = > I=20 dont see any need to set it up, unless you start syncing.
> > = Right out=20 of the box you can use the basic functions and do what many
> = >=20 musicians do for decades, without need for anything more.
>=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00B6_01C24BA2.4437FBE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 19:17:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13280; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 19:16:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 19:16:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 19:15:56 -0500 Subject: Re: ART X-11...need some tips Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm beginning to think that it sends program changes ONLY, which is a really big drag. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 19:27:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13866; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 19:27:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 19:27:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <2f.2c0d61a2.2a997013@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 19:26:11 EDT Subject: more fests To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2f.2c0d61a2.2a997013_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: <4h_TxB.A.uXD.eYBa9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_2f.2c0d61a2.2a997013_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/24/02 7:02:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dtaaffe@indiana.edu writes: > Off to another looping gig in Bloomington,IN hey denis.....dennis leas and i have exchanged posts today about some sort of mid-ameriloop fest, interested? anyone else from this neck o de woods got any ideas and or plans.....sounds like john p and the philly folk got the makins for a nice fest in and of themselves.....michael --part1_2f.2c0d61a2.2a997013_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/24/02 7:02:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dtaaffe@indiana.edu writes:


Off to another looping gig in Bloomington,IN 


hey denis.....dennis leas and i have exchanged posts today about some sort of mid-ameriloop fest, interested? anyone else from this neck o de woods got any ideas and or plans.....sounds like john p and the philly folk got the makins for a nice fest in and of themselves.....michael --part1_2f.2c0d61a2.2a997013_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 20:01:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16467; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 20:00:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 20:00:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: cram@panix.com Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 19:55:01 -0400 Subject: Re: Nu Metal vs. Steve Vai vs. Santana In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3D67E495.2857.39BB7E@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Priority: normal Resent-Message-ID: <0tOgIC.A.VtD.12Ba9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Our esteemed leader, Kim wrote: > > >"well duh. Santana is great, but he's old news. Everybody who was going to > >be influenced by Santana already got influenced 25 years ago. The "nu metal > >jerk" probably reaches far more people today than Santana has in years." > > > >I agree with your take on Vai, Steve, but I think you are dead wrong about > >Santana. > > >Remember, he had a number one hit this last year and sold some 7 million > >copies of the record it came off of. > > >The numbers speak for themselves. I heard of an interview with him where he > >was talking about how many young fans were at his concert who had brought > >their parents along (or vice versa). > > >You just can't rack up those kinds of commercial numbers without having an > >effect on the culture at large. > What about Right Said Fred's "I'm Too Sexy" or "The Macarena"? In the end the effect of large sales might only be novelty impact, of no lasting significance or value. "Where's the beef?" Of couse Santana is no flash in the pan. He's a guitar legend who was repaid for his devotion to exploring the fusion of latin/african, jazz, and rock musics, with a carefully calculated and designed commercially viable product. No mystery here. Just wonderful execution. Craig~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Life goes on within you and without you. -- George Harrison Craig Ramseur cram@panix.com Listen at: www.soundclick.com\craigramseur ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 20:21:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17555; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 20:20:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 20:20:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 02:18:43 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: A/B switch for Echoplex Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <2mHifB.A.WPE.3JCa9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >On 8/24/02 2:01 PM, "Doug Cox" wrote: > >> I use the Morley ABY box for this. Works fine when in A *or* B only >> setting, ie, pointing the footswitch at one Echoplex at a time. When using >> the A *and* B mode, Record and Overdub work simultaneously on both EDPs, but >> above that (Multiply, Insert, Undo, etc), you get strange results. right, thats because we have a pull-up resistor in each EDP and only resistors in the pedal. If the pedal produces a voltage, it works with both, too. >No >> worries tho, because I just "link" the EDPs via ControlSource when I want >> them to work simultaneously (stereo operation). In the linked case, I set >> the Morely box to the A position, where my master EDP controls both. thats a good simple solution! I wanted it to work with a tree position switch, so I built a pullup resistor and an opamp into my pedal. It takes a stabilized 5V source, too, so not quite so handy. Besides, they dont sync to stereo prefectly, as they do with the MIDI connection. > > The Morley box has LEDs to indicate what's what, and runs a long time on a >> single 9v battery. >> >> Hope that helps. >> >> Doug > >In fact I just bought one and it does exactly what I need. Thanks all for >the super quick replies. Doug, how do you link both EDPs with control >source? I'd love to be able to switch between stereo operation and 2 >independent EDPs without plugging and unplugging the MIDI and BrotherSync >cords behind my rack. Sorry for the questions, I just got 2 used EDPs (the >manual could be a little clearer), I used a JamMan for years before so it's >fairly new territory. you can change the ControlSource Parameter on either of the EDPs to achieve this. a fine method is that you use a MIDI pedal and switch the MIDI channels with Sysex so that either or both are on the channel you are sending the command on. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 20:21:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17378; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 20:19:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 20:19:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7AF925F6-B783-11D6-9F0A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: <7AF925F6-B783-11D6-9F0A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 02:17:53 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com seems to be a good idea, thank you! but doesnt it take another sticker to start with? One that sais something like: "I compose live with looping" How many of the musicians that go to the Santana concert know that what happens in the bass solo is called looping? The first few months I thought I was doing "delay-music" or "waving carpets", until a Fripp fan told me this was called looping. Then I remembered I had heard "watermusic" years before... >How about something cheap and simple? Rather than a single product >endorsement, why not make some or all of your customers endorsers? >How, you ask? They way most every manufacturer does it: Stickers. > >Every EDP should come with a nice bumper sticker that could say, >"Loops via Echoplex by Gibson" We put these stickers on our racks, >or they could anywhere visible. Every time we play a gig, >regardless of people trying to see what's in your rack, they'd know. >Doesn't much matter if they care, it will be in their subconcious. >Then, when they pop in the latest Bowie album and get hit with that >obvious loop, they might make the connection, if they care like >musicians do. > >Anyway, couldn't hurt and it wouldn't really cost much to implement. > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Saturday, August 24, 2002, at 04:35 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: > >> >>>matthias, you said something about product endorsements being old-school & >>>boring, or something much like that..... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 20:21:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17567; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 20:20:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 20:20:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00b901c24bc3$cbb778e0$0affff0a@hppav> References: <00b901c24bc3$cbb778e0$0affff0a@hppav> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 02:19:18 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP Hardware Interface Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0BW4W.A.0PE.fKCa9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >What you guy are pointing out to me is that many more features are >accessible from the existing EDP hardware interface than I'm taking >advantage of. happens to everyone ;-) > And that some others capabilities are easiest accessed via a midi controller. very few ones, actually: about 5 DirectMIDI commands and the direct switching between loops. Also the direct access to all parameters through Sysex, but thats the same for every MIDI machine >Dealing with all these variables/parameters live and while playing >with other people is just a headful of stuff to keep track of. probably you find a few ways that correspond to your music and/or the situation (band) and then get used to those. >I guess I'm just a bit of a bonehead and hate dealing with manuals. also very common. A lot you discover by trying. Remember that a yellow LED means that you get a different function if you press that button. > AURISIS -- is the Loop IV software code-base portable to the PC and >MAC OS's?? no, its written in ASM, directly for that HW. I am rewriting it in C++ now, but I dont think it will become available for the computers too soon. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 20:39:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18686; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 20:34:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 20:34:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020825003342.28201.qmail@web12304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 17:33:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: No Pussyfooting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200208242101.RAA03123@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> An Index Of Metals is on Evening Star. Perhaps you are thinking of The Heavenly Music Corporation (I believe Swastika Girls is the title of the track on side one of No Pussyfooting). ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 20:54:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19456; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 20:53:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 20:53:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 17:51:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Loops of the Rich & Famous (was: loop device endorsement) From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020824124127.02a3bec0@icicle.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6uNVzB.A.wuE.ToCa9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/24/02 10:47 AM, Catilyne at catilyne@icicle.net wrote: >> j-just one word about a musician who---(oh, please help me!)---has possibly >> introduced more loopists to looping--- >> >> >> >> >> >> Fripp. > > Well, if you consider that it was Eno who first wired up Fripp for looping, > who then is actually the most influential...? > > <*duckflee!*> ;) If nothing else, Fripp should probably get credit for being the first person with at least moderate star credentials who essentially said: "Hey, I'm going to take this looping thing on the road and do it in front of people as essentially the whole act." _No Pussyfooting_, etc. are nice experiments with the technology. The tour that resulted in _Let the Power Fall_ was really putting the technique out there. Yes, Terry Riley and others had done it before. They were in the academic and art music world. Fripp was a recognized rock guitarist. Mark P.S. I think Fripp has always been clear that Frippertronics is not the loop. It's Robert Fripp processed through a loop. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 21:02:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21056; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 21:02:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 21:02:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:00:51 -0700 Subject: Loop V request (was Re: A/B switch for Echoplex) From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's an idea for Loop V (or Loop IV 1.1): Add another mode control that allows to EDPs to be connected via MIDI with one connected to the footswitch. The one connected to the footswitch is the master. The other is the slave. That already works, but now for the twist. The mode control changes between Master, Slave, and Stereo and controls whether or not each Echoplex responds to foot control and feedback pedal information. This might be another insert mode. Short press in Master or Slave toggles to the other. Long press in Master or Slave toggles to Stereo. Short press in Stereo goes to Master. I don't know what this should do with a long press in Stereo. It could go to Slave, but a double-tap of the insert button seems just as easy for that. If done as an insert mode, the insert LED could indicate whether or not each Echoplex was receptive to control information. If it worked, it could almost justify the need for two EDPs to get stereo. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 22:00:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24732; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 21:59:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 21:59:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004901c24bdb$dab65a60$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <20020825003342.28201.qmail@web12304.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: No Pussyfooting Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 22:05:15 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <3pwlMC.A.MvF.YnDa9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > < collaboration between Robert Fripp and Brian Eno > (who introduced Fripp to the tape looping system > he later dubbed "Frippertronics") displays the > delicate ambient side of looping on side 1 (which > we'll hear) and the dense, aggressive side > on side 2's "An Index Of Metals" (which we'll > hear a bit of).>> > > An Index Of Metals is on Evening Star. Perhaps > you are thinking of The Heavenly Music > Corporation (I believe Swastika Girls is the > title of the track on side one of No > Pussyfooting). > > ===== > May you never thirst! > The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "Swastika Girls" is side 2 of "No Pussyfooting" (1973) but the Between Sets CD I'm featuring this week at the Ping is actually "Evening Star" - therefore "An Index Of Metals" is on side 2. I hadn't played "Index" for quite a while and when listening to it this afternoon, while working on the Ping update, found it much less nasty and dark than I had remembered. I think my ears are constantly opening. I'm still not sure I'm ready for the Merzbow concert coming to Toronto in Sept. though. Perhaps serious earplugs may help my enlightenment... Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 22:11:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25668; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 22:11:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 22:11:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 19:09:16 -0700 Subject: US Steinbergers available at MusicYo From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nothing to do with looping, except there always seems to be a bit of Steinberger/Klein interest among guitarists on the list. The MusicYo folks are now selling new, US-made Steinbergers. The guitars are all the M-series, Strat body types, but they do have composite necks, Transtrem options, EMG/Duncans, etc. The cheap ones appear to be gone now, these are all $1000+. http://www.musicyo.com/ TH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 22:46:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27089; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 22:45:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 22:45:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004201c24be2$611651e0$44a35e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: <3D67E47D.660CCA0B@cabq.gov> Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 19:51:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looper-stickers---if they're as nice as the Loopers-Delight T-shirts, we're gooking lood! Go, Jason! David A. Jason Fink said: > i "volunteer" my wife to get the scoop on printing stickers. > i will report back to y'all next week about it. > > -jas > Albuquerque > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 22:59:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27641; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 22:58:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 22:58:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c24be3$9cf115a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: A/B switch for Echoplex Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 22:00:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >In fact I just bought one and it does exactly what I need. Thanks all for > >the super quick replies. Doug, how do you link both EDPs with control > >source? I'd love to be able to switch between stereo operation and 2 > >independent EDPs without plugging and unplugging the MIDI and BrotherSync > >cords behind my rack. Sorry for the questions, I just got 2 used EDPs (the > >manual could be a little clearer), I used a JamMan for years before so it's > >fairly new territory. > > you can change the ControlSource Parameter on either of the EDPs to > achieve this. > > a fine method is that you use a MIDI pedal and switch the MIDI > channels with Sysex so that either or both are on the channel you are > sending the command on. > -- To clarify: First, a MIDI cable and a Brother Sync cable are *always* connected between the two EDPs. The MIDI cable goes from the "master" EDPs MIDI OUT, into the "slave" EDPs MIDI IN. The Brother Sync cables just go between each EDPs Brother Sync jacks. To link the EDPs for stereo operation, I set ControlSource to "not" on both EDPs. I can then set the Morley AB pedal to the A position (aimed at my master EDP) to control both. To unlink them, I just set one EDP (usually the slave) to something other than "not". Now they are unlinked, even tho the MIDI cable is connected. Even in unlinked operation, the MIDI cable transmits clock, so that I can get polyrhythmic loops going, and the BrotherSync cable ensures that the polyrhythms are consistent down to the sample level (I think!). Regardless, it works! :) Once unlinked, I can aim the EDP footpedal at each EDP using the A or B setting on the Morley pedal. Complex, yet simple? :) Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 24 23:22:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29601; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 23:21:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 23:21:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.170.193.178] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: more fests Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 20:20:12 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2002 03:20:12.0502 (UTC) FILETIME=[52E3D760:01C24BE6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd love to travel and make some of these east-coast or mid-america loopfests! Of course, it helps if they're planned way in advance! Matt Davignon _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 02:41:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08490; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 02:40:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 02:40:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 23:39:46 -0700 Subject: Re: US Steinbergers available at MusicYo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <726195F1-B7F5-11D6-8267-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <8Xa8PD.A.BEC.0uHa9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As an Original M Series owner, I'd say if these guitars are anything close to what my guitar is, I'd buy one again in a heartbeat. Amazing guitar, IMO. I LOVE mine. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, August 24, 2002, at 07:09 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Nothing to do with looping, except there always seems to be a bit of > Steinberger/Klein interest among guitarists on the list. The MusicYo > folks > are now selling new, US-made Steinbergers. The guitars are all the > M-series, Strat body types, but they do have composite necks, Transtrem > options, EMG/Duncans, etc. The cheap ones appear to be gone now, these > are > all $1000+. > > http://www.musicyo.com/ > > > TH > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 02:42:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08632; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 02:42:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 02:42:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020824234201.03930660@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 23:44:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: ART X-11...need some tips In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm really not kidding. all the ART pedals suck. you can't use them with the echoplex. sell it. or better yet, throw it away so nobody else gets stuck with it. kim At 05:15 PM 8/24/2002, JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net wrote: >i'm beginning to think that it sends program changes >ONLY, which is a really big drag. > >-jim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 03:00:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA10656; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 02:59:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 02:59:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020824235411.03965b10@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 00:01:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist In-Reply-To: References: <7AF925F6-B783-11D6-9F0A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <7AF925F6-B783-11D6-9F0A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:17 PM 8/24/2002, Matthias Grob wrote: >How many of the musicians that go to the Santana concert know that what >happens in the bass solo is called looping? I think most people at a Santana concert just want to hear him play Black Magic Woman and Oye Como Va again. Everything else is filler in between. It's really neat that Benny does looping solos at the Santana show, but I'm not surprised if it doesn't have much influence. The people came to see Santana. If 15,000 people came to the Benny Reitveld concert it would be a different story. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 03:04:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA10888; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 03:03:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 03:03:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 00:02:25 -0700 Subject: EDP sticker brainstorming Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9C87534A-B7F8-11D6-8267-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I think something like, "I'm Looping with the ECHOPLEX" with a Gibson logo would suggest "Delay" music due to the fact that everyone who speaks English knows the word "echo" means a delayed repetition of sound. Good name. It kind of already says what it does. Add the word loop in there and if what you're doing is obviously repeating to some degree, or doing anything that a non looper equipped instrumentalist couldn't do, it should spark some interest. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, August 24, 2002, at 05:17 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > seems to be a good idea, thank you! > but doesnt it take another sticker to start with? One that sais > something like: > "I compose live with looping" > > How many of the musicians that go to the Santana concert know that what > happens in the bass solo is called looping? > > The first few months I thought I was doing "delay-music" or "waving > carpets", until a Fripp fan told me this was called looping. Then I > remembered I had heard "watermusic" years before... > >> How about something cheap and simple? Rather than a single product >> endorsement, why not make some or all of your customers endorsers? >> How, you ask? They way most every manufacturer does it: Stickers. >> >> Every EDP should come with a nice bumper sticker that could say, >> "Loops via Echoplex by Gibson" We put these stickers on our racks, or >> they could anywhere visible. Every time we play a gig, regardless of >> people trying to see what's in your rack, they'd know. Doesn't much >> matter if they care, it will be in their subconcious. Then, when they >> pop in the latest Bowie album and get hit with that obvious loop, they >> might make the connection, if they care like musicians do. >> >> Anyway, couldn't hurt and it wouldn't really cost much to implement. >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> >> On Saturday, August 24, 2002, at 04:35 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: >> >>> >>>> matthias, you said something about product endorsements being >>>> old-school & >>>> boring, or something much like that..... > > > -- > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 03:06:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11018; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 03:05:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 03:05:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 00:03:53 -0700 Subject: Re: ART X-11...need some tips Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020824234201.03930660@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But that pink and gray silk screen! What about that? That's got to count for something! Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, August 24, 2002, at 11:44 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > I'm really not kidding. all the ART pedals suck. you can't use them > with the echoplex. sell it. or better yet, throw it away so nobody else > gets stuck with it. > kim > > At 05:15 PM 8/24/2002, JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net wrote: >> i'm beginning to think that it sends program changes >> ONLY, which is a really big drag. >> >> -jim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 03:21:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11514; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 03:12:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 03:12:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 00:11:36 -0700 Subject: Re: Nu Metal vs. Steve Vai vs. Santana Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But which demographic would have the cash to blow on an EDP? My guess is that most of the younger crowd who listen to Korn aren't going to have a lot of extra cash to spend, (I didn't when I was 18, where as most of the people who were/are into Vai and Santana probably have given up on the pipe dream that is being a rock star and have jobs that would give them the extra dough to get an EDP (IE: ME) Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 03:29:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11917; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 03:20:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 03:20:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020824023456.038e0c60@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 00:17:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist In-Reply-To: <002d01c24b31$561fcac0$0101a8c0@o4z6b8> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020822193546.02191d60@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020823143816.037adef0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:44 PM 8/23/2002, Luigi Meloni wrote: >Kim, what I meant was that you don't call a guitar SANTANA SE and then take >someone else to advertise it... >It seems to be to be a nonsense. sorry if it seems that way, but reality is that Creed is huge today and Santana is not. One hit a three years ago after a 20 year drought is nothing compared to Creed today. Kids are playing guitar again because of Creed and other bands like them on the charts, not because of Santana. (and again, you are going off on examples and ignoring the subject which is annoying, this is the last I'm replying to this idiotic tangent.) That's the whole point here. Big figures in pop culture are what moves things. If we are interested in what will make looping more than an odd niche, that's what it takes. A big shift in popular music culture that somehow includes looping. Fringe artists and a few guys from decades ago don't do it. >For the other part, Korn are almost dead (commercially speaking) from the >last 'official remix album' (three or four years ago??), and I don't think >that Frank Zappa or Chick Corea are to be considered old guitar nerds...but >that is only my opinion... What? Look up some facts before saying things that are wrong. Korn's latest album is currently number 34 on the Billboard album charts after 10 weeks, whether you like it or not. No Santana, no Bowie, no Fripp, etc. However, the really big thing right now is not Korn, but Eminem. if you look at the numbers, he's a bigger deal in pop culture than Nirvana ever was. If Eminem were a looper I would be a happy guy. Zappa and Corea? what relevance do they have to this topic? Yeah sure, they were great, but the 70's ended. get over it and try to catch up. For sure nobody is going into stores buying anything because of Chick Corea, aside from L. Ron Hubbard books. If Corea bought two echoplexes tomorrow, I would be happy that we sold two more echoplexes. But I wouldn't expect anything more to come of it than that. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 03:48:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA13371; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 03:45:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 03:45:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825003845.03933a10@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 00:47:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Loop V request (was Re: A/B switch for Echoplex) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All that's not necessary. Just get a decent midi controller. Put the Echoplexes on two different midi channels. In your midi controller, have a set of controls for Echoplex A, a set of controls for Echoplex B, and a set for A & B. That's part of the reason why we added the MIDI pipe feature. kim At 06:00 PM 8/24/2002, Mark Hamburg wrote: >Here's an idea for Loop V (or Loop IV 1.1): > >Add another mode control that allows to EDPs to be connected via MIDI with >one connected to the footswitch. The one connected to the footswitch is the >master. The other is the slave. That already works, but now for the twist. >The mode control changes between Master, Slave, and Stereo and controls >whether or not each Echoplex responds to foot control and feedback pedal >information. > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 03:56:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA13908; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 03:55:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 03:55:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020825015539.007bd920@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 01:55:39 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: RE: Newbie questions In-Reply-To: <01bb01c24acc$e5c59430$dcfaec0c@ATTBI.COM> References: <3.0.5.32.20020822105337.008535e0@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks for the compliments!... I think you'll find alot of nice people here. -and Yes, would love the kitty loop! Woohoo! Have a great weekend... Smiles, CQ At 10:45 AM 8/23/02 -0700, you wrote: >You are sweet. Wanna be friends? I'll send you the kitty loop with no >expectations... In a little while... > >-----Original Message----- >From: Goddess [mailto:thefates@earthlink.net] >Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 9:54 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Newbie questions > > > OH MY GOD!, I'd love to make a loop of your sister's cat! -are you >serious?!!! lol! As far as what a loop is, you can probably find a >whole >lot of commentary on the LD website, or the archives here. > As for me, I think of it, in it's simplest form, as simply a >repetition of something, which can probably get into a whole bunch of >loop philosophy and debate here. Have a great day!... > >Smiles, > >Cara > >At 06:43 AM 8/22/02 -0700, you wrote: >>Help me? >> >>1. What counts as a LOOP? >> >>2. Does Acid Pro 3.0 (registered, legal, with nonstandard loops or >>self-created loops) get any respect here? If so can I point people to >>my mp3.com page with high-quality Acid-Pro-based songs, without getting > >>heckled? >> >>3. Sound cards that have standard microphone jacks? >> >>4. Will someone make music from a loop of my sister's cat? I swear to > >>God he was trying to sing! >> >>5. PCs with whisper-quiet (or silent) hard drives? >> >>Philip Raath - I love your quotation. You are the ONE. Meaning, you >>made my day. >> >>Regards, >> >>MIKO >> >> > > >--- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and >eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." > >http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > >Please visit The Guitar Cafe. > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 04:04:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA15750; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 04:03:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 04:03:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.144.130.147] From: "Jonathan Yandel" To: Subject: Re: Loops of the Rich & Famous (was: loop device endorsement) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 03:02:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.02.0005.2201 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C24BE3.CD4F9780" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2002 08:02:03.0975 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2E9D570:01C24C0D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C24BE3.CD4F9780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One more thing to be said for Fripp--he actually had the balls to give En= o the credit for introducing him to looping. While naming it "Frippertro= nics" may seem at first to be pretentious, he was always very open about = the fact that he didn't invent the technique... jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Hamburg Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 7:53 PM To: Looper's Delight Subject: Re: Loops of the Rich & Famous (was: loop device endorsement) on 8/24/02 10:47 AM, Catilyne at catilyne@icicle.net wrote: >> j-just one word about a musician who---(oh, please help me!)---has pos= sibly >> introduced more loopists to looping--- >> =20 >> >> >> >> =20 >> Fripp. > =20 > Well, if you consider that it was Eno who first wired up Fripp for loop= ing, > who then is actually the most influential...? > =20 > <*duckflee!*> ;) If nothing else, Fripp should probably get credit for being the first per= son with at least moderate star credentials who essentially said: "Hey, I'm going to take this looping thing on the road and do it in front of people= as essentially the whole act." _No Pussyfooting_, etc. are nice experiments with the technology. The tou= r that resulted in _Let the Power Fall_ was really putting the technique ou= t there. Yes, Terry Riley and others had done it before. They were in the academic and art music world. Fripp was a recognized rock guitarist. Mark P.S. I think Fripp has always been clear that Frippertronics is not the loop. It's Robert Fripp processed through a loop.Get more from the Web. = FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C24BE3.CD4F9780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
One more thing= to be said for Fripp--he actually had the balls to give Eno the credit f= or introducing him to looping.  While naming it "Frippertronics" may= seem at first to be pretentious, he was always very open about the fact = that he didn't invent the technique...
jonathan
&nb= sp;
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark H= amburg
Sent: Saturday, Augus= t 24, 2002 7:53 PM
To: Loope= r's Delight
Subject: Re: Loo= ps of the Rich & Famous (was: loop device endorsement)
&nb= sp;
on 8/24/02 10:47 AM, Catilyne at catilyne@icicle.net wrote:
<= BR>>> j-just one word about a musician who---(oh, please help me!)-= --has possibly
>> introduced more loopists to looping---
>= >
>> <splutter>
>> <sputter>
>>= ; <splutter>
>>
>> Fripp.
>
> Well,= if you consider that it was Eno who first wired up Fripp for looping,> who then is actually the most influential...?
>
> <= *duckflee!*>  ;)

If nothing else, Fripp should probably ge= t credit for being the first person
with at least moderate star creden= tials who essentially said: "Hey, I'm
going to take this looping thing= on the road and do it in front of people as
essentially the whole act= ."

_No Pussyfooting_, etc. are nice experiments with the technolog= y. The tour
that resulted in _Let the Power Fall_ was really putting t= he technique out
there.

Yes, Terry Riley and others had done it= before. They were in the academic
and art music world. Fripp was a re= cognized rock guitarist.

Mark

P.S. I think Fripp has always= been clear that Frippertronics is not the
loop. It's Robert Fripp pro= cessed through a loop.

= Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C24BE3.CD4F9780-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 04:06:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA15900; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 04:04:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 04:04:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 01:03:14 -0700 Subject: Re: EDP Hardware Interface Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00b901c24bc3$cbb778e0$0affff0a@hppav> Message-Id: <1B1AB9F8-B801-11D6-8267-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id EAA15678 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, August 24, 2002, at 04:13 PM, David wrote: > What you guy are pointing out to me is that many more features are > accessible from the existing EDP hardware interface than I'm taking > advantage of.  >   > And that some others capabilities are easiest accessed via a midi > controller. Today's time with Andre Lafosse pointed out that it *really* is almost necessary to have a MIDI controller to work with loop 4 to it's fullest. The bad part was that he can do a LOT of cool stuff with a Digitech MIDI controller that's no longer made. I'm not even sure if there is a really good MIDI control pedal still made. If so, they seem to be as expensive as the gear they're trying to control for some reason. >  Dealing with all these variables/parameters live and while playing > with other people is just a headful of stuff to keep track of. Watching Andre was pretty damn amazing. My brain froze at least a dozen times during the presentation. The EDP is capable of so much. It's almost too much. I think at least I know what's possible now. I doubt I'd remember exactly how to get it, but I'd have someplace to start. I'll have to experiment with how changing the length of loops will effect things while being synched to a MIDI clock. I'm not sure a lot of what Andre and Matthais do would work with the way I play off sequences. >  I guess I'm just a bit of a bonehead and hate dealing with manuals. The Echoplex has a manual? I thought it only came with a reference manual! I'm being sarcastic here. Many threads have dealt with the EDP manual. All the functions are in alphabetical order, which is totally arbitrary. It makes no sense when trying to wrap your head around trying to make the EDP do what you want it to. Again, I will say I learned more in the half hour I spent at Andre's site than I did from reading the manual. One thing Jon Wagner and I talked about today was that we're really starting to grok the amazing possibilities of the EDP, but at the same time, we're realizing at the true wonders of the much maligned Repeater. Both are such amazing boxes that no looper should be without! Marklar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 05:02:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA23555; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 05:01:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 05:01:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <99.2b929281.2a99f6c2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 05:00:50 EDT Subject: Re: EDP Hardware Interface To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > But, take away yer MIDI controller, and your back to RECORD, OVERDUB, > MULTIPLY, INSERT, MUTE, UNDO and NEXTLOOP pretty damn quick... (Or am I > missing something really embarrassingly obvious about the EDP.... :-) ) > Uh...........the feedback pedal????????? Maybe not so obvious, but the way you program the presets gives you all sorts of control of how the "seven buttons" work. ....and then you get to do that with your FEET. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 05:49:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA25221; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 05:49:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 05:49:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D684392.54914BA3@ubuibi.org> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 02:40:19 +0000 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fripp looper o o loop References: <3D6429AB.38C771E2@ubuibi.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6lzxUB.A.zHG.efKa9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > Oh Das, with your primitive technology. Just get your ass over and I'll > > let you input something into my Echoplex Digital Pro. You know you want > > to. > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, August 21, 2002, at 03:36 PM, das wrote: > > > > > > > > just get a four track open reel.... > > > > > > perhaps build long arms for the reels.... > > > > > > and a foot switch....... > > > > so what is fripp using for "looping" now ? all the frippertronics shows, and i saw a few...were open reel punch-in From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 06:13:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA27121; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 06:12:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 06:12:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c501c24bed$4f3c9d20$66effea9@oemcomputer> From: "Bruce Comens" To: References: <7AF925F6-B783-11D6-9F0A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 06:09:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <8oLxJC.A.VnG.m1Ka9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > but doesnt it take another sticker to start with? One that sais something like: > "I compose live with looping" > > How many of the musicians that go to the Santana concert know that > what happens in the bass solo is called looping? Yes, visibility is a real problem. There's a big difference between famous guitarist X who's holding the thing in his arms while on stage and some little box tucked away in a rack and being operated, usually unobtrusively, by a footpedal. 2 examples of invisibility: Earlier in the summer I saw Eivind Aarset in concert, and he used a lot of looping. You couldn't see a looper, though, and I doubt if anyone in the audience realized that was going on, since it was very much a part of his heavy processing. I went up to stage later and saw an edp in his rack. Then I saw Garbarek; during Eberhard Weber's extended bass solo he use very clear (simple but very effective) looping, but while I'm sure the muscians realized he wasn't doing playing everything at once, I suspect the rest of the audience just saw him playing his bass. I guess he was using an edp too, but i don't know because i couldn't see any rack, or even his footpedals. 1 example of visibility. One thing the folks at line 6 are very good at is marketing. I don't think they have any endorsers for the dl4, but they designed a very distinctive cute/funky box that sits on the floor and is instantly recognizable. (N.B.: I'm NOT saying the edp should be like that!) An Italian disc-spinning show a while back featured a guest bassist whose whole act featured that little green box: him in an empty room with his electric bass and the dl4 sitting all by itself on the floor. He layered an impressive funky wall of sound with it, dancing around while doing so. I can imagine people going to their music store and asking about the green box that allows them to do that. But I wonder how many of them ever discover that there are more possibilties to looping than the dl4 offers? That's one of the problems with technology, that people often accept whatever is immediately available as the defining condition (my students' web-based research comes to mind....) One of the things that makes the edp so wonderful is that you can change many of those conditions (especially with loop4), which in sense means that you can transform it into different instruments.... bruce From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 07:29:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31332; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 07:23:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 07:23:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c24c29$c7aa6bc0$e4981cd5@hyeena> From: "Jukka Andersson" To: Subject: MAC software. Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:22:55 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C24C42.E7383C10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C24C42.E7383C10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what is good live purpose loop-software for mac that runs on G3 450MHz (?) PowerBook? I know Ableton live is pretty cool but is it too heavy for this computer? I've used Back To Basics 8 but I would like to control effects via midi and perhaps even more. but mainly effects at least. .jukka andersson finland. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C24C42.E7383C10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
what is good live purpose loop-software = for=20 mac
that runs on G3 450MHz (?) = PowerBook?
 
I know Ableton live is pretty cool but = is it too=20 heavy
for this computer? I've used Back To = Basics 8=20 but
I would like to control effects via = midi and=20 perhaps
even more. but mainly effects at=20 least.
 
.jukka andersson
 finland.
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C24C42.E7383C10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 07:59:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA32634; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 07:58:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 07:58:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 08:01:00 -0400 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3D68C6FC.48F47E44@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,zh-TW References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020822193546.02191d60@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020823143816.037adef0@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020824023456.038e0c60@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Flint wrote: > That's the whole point here. Big figures in pop culture are what moves > things. If we are interested in what will make looping more than an odd > niche, that's what it takes. A big shift in popular music culture that > somehow includes looping. Fringe artists and a few guys from decades ago > don't do it. Personally I hope that looping remains on the fringe. When it goes mainstream, that will be the time to move on to something else. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 08:22:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02262; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 08:22:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 08:22:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 08:21:21 -0400 Subject: Re: MAC software. From: Laurent Brondel To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001b01c24c29$c7aa6bc0$e4981cd5@hyeena> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2YGSUD.A.Si.1uMa9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 8/25/02 7:22 AM, "Jukka Andersson" wrote: > what is good live purpose loop-software for mac > that runs on G3 450MHz (?) PowerBook? > > I know Ableton live is pretty cool but is it too heavy > for this computer? I've used Back To Basics 8 but > I would like to control effects via midi and perhaps > even more. but mainly effects at least. > > .jukka andersson > finland. > If you can live with the latency imposed by any computer based 'live' sound treatment, the Pluggo 3 suite has pretty amazing 'delay/looping' plug-ins (among others), but you will need a sequencer such as Logic, Cubase, DP or ProTools to use them. And some sort of MIDI controller. -- Laurent Brondel laurentbrondel@earthlink.net http://www.laurentbrondel.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 09:44:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06457; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 09:43:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 09:43:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c24c3d$6a45cab0$e4981cd5@hyeena> From: "Jukka Andersson" To: References: Subject: Re: MAC software. Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:43:33 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Ill check that.... .jukka ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurent Brondel" To: Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 3:21 PM Subject: Re: MAC software. > On 8/25/02 7:22 AM, "Jukka Andersson" wrote: > > > what is good live purpose loop-software for mac > > that runs on G3 450MHz (?) PowerBook? > > > > I know Ableton live is pretty cool but is it too heavy > > for this computer? I've used Back To Basics 8 but > > I would like to control effects via midi and perhaps > > even more. but mainly effects at least. > > > > .jukka andersson > > finland. > > > > If you can live with the latency imposed by any computer based 'live' sound > treatment, the Pluggo 3 suite has pretty amazing 'delay/looping' plug-ins > (among others), but you will need a sequencer such as Logic, Cubase, DP or > ProTools to use them. And some sort of MIDI controller. > > -- > Laurent Brondel > laurentbrondel@earthlink.net > http://www.laurentbrondel.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 10:41:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10276; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:40:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:40:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.186.9.212] From: "Kris Day" To: References: Subject: Re: looping gig Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 09:39:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2002 14:38:43.0516 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C8B97C0:01C24C45] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anyone on the list from iowa? I'd like to have a looping fest here sometime. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 10:50:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10662; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:43:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:43:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C24C45.9875006A" Subject: RE: more fests Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 09:42:11 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: more fests Thread-Index: AcJLxmYKwFG4vdMQTDKGN+8Xeqv2AwAgDXlg From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2002 14:42:11.0776 (UTC) FILETIME=[98AD8C00:01C24C45] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24C45.9875006A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =20 Yes I definitely would be interested and it would make for an awesome = show.let's get that together soon. Well, Maybe give each person a 1/2 = hour to an hour to play, how many would be involved? Would be an all day = thing maybe? Well, in Bloomington there is a nice hall to rent, = indianapolis has a nice one too and its big.Well those are the two = palces where I know we coud setup a show no problem, outside of that the = only other place would be Chicago,IL, but I have no places that I know = of there. But yes, I wanna do that badly, that would be great and well, = lets get a date going and a lsit of people ready to perform and do it I = guess!!! Denis Denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com=20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 6:26 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: more fests =20 In a message dated 8/24/02 7:02:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = dtaaffe@indiana.edu writes: Off to another looping gig in Bloomington,IN =20 hey denis.....dennis leas and i have exchanged posts today about some = sort of mid-ameriloop fest, interested? anyone else from this neck o de = woods got any ideas and or plans.....sounds like john p and the philly = folk got the makins for a nice fest in and of themselves.....michael ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24C45.9875006A Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Ye= s I definitely would be interested and it would make for an awesome = show.let's get that together soon. Well, Maybe give each person a 1/2 hour to an hour = to play, how many would be involved? Would be an all day thing maybe? Well, in = Bloomington there is a nice hall to rent, indianapolis has a nice one too and its = big.Well those are the two palces where I know we coud setup a show no problem, = outside of that the only other place would be Chicago,IL, but I have no places = that I know of there. But yes, I wanna do that badly, that would be great and = well, lets get a date going and a lsit of people ready to perform and do it I = guess!!!

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In a message dated 8/24/02 7:02:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = dtaaffe@indiana.edu writes:



Off to another looping gig in Bloomington,IN 



hey denis.....dennis leas and i have exchanged posts today about some = sort of mid-ameriloop fest, interested? anyone else from this neck o de woods = got any ideas and or plans.....sounds like john p and the philly folk got the = makins for a nice fest in and of themselves.....michael<= /p>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C24C45.9875006A-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 11:03:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12760; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:02:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:02:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c24c49$225f7500$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <00b901c24bc3$cbb778e0$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Re: EDP Hardware Interface Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:07:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <7d4nsB.A.lFD.NFPa9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes - I understand that one button pressed long, short, or in one of 2 or three modes does give me a lot of different functions. Real-estate on the EDP face-plate is small, so you gotta make choices. The Adrenalinn uses the same grid-style of interface. So do the Korg Etribe machines. Of course if I was driving a car and the accelerator and the brake were the same pedal, and all I needed to do was switch modes between patches, I'd end up with a road wreck pretty quick. It's a great rack-mount unit, don't get me wrong. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 8:19 PM Subject: Re: EDP Hardware Interface > >What you guy are pointing out to me is that many more features are > >accessible from the existing EDP hardware interface than I'm taking > >advantage of. > > happens to everyone ;-) > > > And that some others capabilities are easiest accessed via a midi controller. > > very few ones, actually: about 5 DirectMIDI commands and the direct > switching between loops. > Also the direct access to all parameters through Sysex, but thats the > same for every MIDI machine > > >Dealing with all these variables/parameters live and while playing > >with other people is just a headful of stuff to keep track of. > > probably you find a few ways that correspond to your music and/or the > situation (band) and then get used to those. > > >I guess I'm just a bit of a bonehead and hate dealing with manuals. > > also very common. A lot you discover by trying. > Remember that a yellow LED means that you get a different function if > you press that button. > > > AURISIS -- is the Loop IV software code-base portable to the PC and > >MAC OS's?? > > no, its written in ASM, directly for that HW. > I am rewriting it in C++ now, but I dont think it will become > available for the computers too soon. > > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 12:02:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17038; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:02:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:02:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:00:24 EDT Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a0.2bf26955.2a9a5918_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10514 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a0.2bf26955.2a9a5918_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/25/2002 4:56:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, gwaltzer@optonline.net writes: > Personally I hope that looping remains on the fringe. > When it goes mainstream, that will be the time to move on to something > else. > Why does looping have to be & remain marginalized to remain meaniful and valid for you? I mean music is already mainstream and hyper-present and so hyper present these days that it is marginalized and just taken for granted. & IMHO music just dont really mean that much anymore to people. But does that mean you stop making your Loop music if masses start buying en masse loop tools which you use to make music ? Did Paul Macartney Stop playin bass becasue lots of people who saw and heard of the bealtles wanted to play bass or buy perhaps basses looking like and sounding just like his? did Jimi Hendrix stop playin strats altogether becasue people started playing strats after they saw him playin one ? Did liberace stop playin Piano becase people bought pianos? & if that is the case where say you "move on", & if others suddenly start doing what you do and use the tools you would use to do it and embrace the loop tools as theirs, then were you ever really with "it" if you have to abandon "it" at that point? & i mean the music when i say "it" not something else or rather was "it" all just a refuge/romanticsm or possibly even narcissism? BTW, im not trying directyly or indirectly to be mean or belittle anyones tastes here on a personal level. However IMHO we need all music - good and bad - for there ever to be any music at all. & I am looking at things with a commecial slant here as having more reach than say an esoteric perspective. But the idea of a looper as a remix tool is a step toward a larger audience IMHO. and I would push the Loop tool concept to turntablists and customers for LIVE and ACID. I think IMHO that if people will buy ACID and LIVE & DL4's en masse, and can thusly be enthused and actually "get" the purpose of those products that those very same people, can also just the same way and be enthused about EDP's and buy them en masse and use them. I would also maybe consider having a SW version of an EDP for notebook users that models delays just like the DL4 in realtime & sell it as an ACID like tool, but still have all the features of an EDP available in it...but maybe thats just not realistic or feasable or an altogther different produuct than what it is now. & what about the EDP as floor unit - edp Lite? Just maybe that edp as floor unit would sell if it had DL/4 like features and more as much as you could pack extra features into a floor pedal. but the dl4 does IMHO tend to draw people into the looping camp and is priced right and is simple to use fro a 12-21 yr old looking for instant gratification wihtout having to buy add on components. Looping's main image problem IMHO - is that its in the hands ( when there is a perception of looping ) of musicians who are appreciated mostly by other musicians ( aint a money makin or romaticized-fantasized cool factor in that image with many benjamins or hot girls or the perks that come with bein recognized or coveted ) and thats usually either virtuoso's, experimental improv/avant garde stuff that is so individual and so inward looking or genre eschewing and esoteric that it can only be related to by other musicians of the same ilk & be elikewise engaged only from the uncredited periphery when pointed @ the masses in term sof its use and comprehension of its presence. With any product or musical act the main thing or shictick to any genre style or performer is making people wanna be like you. But Looping frankly needs - IMHO - some of what we would call the "dumb, bad & rotten apples" to grow beyond its perpetual preaching to its own choir IMHO. I will never forget a post here where somebody was commenting on someone elses work and they derrided them for not having anything new that they hadnt already heard ( comment was your beast are nothing I havent heard b4 ) and i was dumbstruck and thought that if more loopers would be working with more maisntram music they would actaully be selling looping more than the guys tryin to break new ground. I really wanna see sugarray, Britanny, Pdiddy Jah Rule or Insane Clown Posse, Korn Limp and or say MOby feature EDP's in their respective videos. But y'all know my idea to sell anything is to put sex into the equation. Jenna Jamison, Jill Kelly or my fave - Chloe talking in print about how their "loop machines" make them feel would move tons of units ...just kidding - somewhat :) Warmest Regards, John Price/AKASH "The World's Most Erotic Band" http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" --part1_a0.2bf26955.2a9a5918_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/25/2002 4:56:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, gwaltzer@optonline.net writes:


Personally I hope that looping remains on the fringe.
When it goes mainstream, that will be the time to move on to something else.


Why does looping have to be & remain marginalized to remain meaniful and valid for you?

I mean music is already mainstream and hyper-present and so hyper present these days that it is marginalized and just taken for granted.

& IMHO music just dont really mean that much anymore to people.

But does that mean you stop making your Loop music if  masses start buying en masse loop tools which you use to make music ?

Did Paul Macartney Stop playin bass becasue lots of people who saw and heard of the bealtles wanted to play bass or buy perhaps basses looking like and sounding just like his?

did Jimi Hendrix stop playin strats altogether becasue people started playing strats after they saw him playin one ?

Did liberace stop playin Piano becase people bought pianos?

& if that is the case where say you "move on", & if others suddenly start doing what you do and use the tools you would use to do it and embrace the loop tools as theirs, then were you ever really with "it" if you have to abandon "it" at that point?

& i mean the music when i say "it" not something else or rather was "it" all just a refuge/romanticsm or possibly even narcissism?


BTW, im not trying directyly or indirectly to be mean or belittle anyones tastes here on a personal level.

However IMHO we need all music - good and bad - for there ever to be any music at all.  & I am looking at things with a commecial slant here as having more reach than say an esoteric perspective.

But the idea of a looper as a remix tool is a step toward a larger audience IMHO.

and I would push the Loop tool concept to turntablists and customers for LIVE and ACID.

I think IMHO that if people will buy ACID and LIVE & DL4's en masse, and can thusly be enthused and actually "get" the purpose of those products that those very same people, can also just the same way and be enthused about EDP's and buy them en masse and use them.

I would also maybe consider having a SW version of an EDP for notebook users that models delays just like the DL4 in realtime & sell it as an ACID like tool, but still have all the features of an EDP available in it...but maybe thats just not realistic or feasable or an altogther
different produuct than what it is now.

& what about the EDP as floor unit - edp Lite?

Just maybe that edp as floor unit would sell if it had DL/4 like features and more as much as you could pack extra features into a floor pedal.

but the dl4 does IMHO tend to draw people into the looping camp and is priced right and is simple to use fro a 12-21 yr old looking for instant gratification wihtout having to buy add on components.

Looping's main image problem IMHO - is that its in the hands ( when there is a perception of looping ) of musicians who are appreciated mostly by other musicians ( aint a money makin or romaticized-fantasized cool factor in that image with many benjamins or hot girls or the perks that come with bein recognized or coveted ) and thats usually either virtuoso's, experimental improv/avant garde stuff that is so individual and so inward looking or genre eschewing and esoteric that it can only be related to by other musicians of the same ilk & be elikewise engaged only from the uncredited periphery when pointed @ the masses in term sof its use and comprehension of its presence.

With any product or musical act the main thing or shictick to any genre style or performer is making people wanna be like you.

But Looping frankly needs - IMHO - some of what we would call the "dumb, bad & rotten apples" to grow beyond its perpetual preaching to its own choir IMHO.

I will never forget a post here where somebody was commenting on someone elses work and they derrided them for not having anything new that they hadnt already heard ( comment was your beast are nothing I havent heard b4 )

and i was dumbstruck and thought that if more loopers would be working with more maisntram music they would actaully be selling looping more than the guys tryin to break new ground.

I really wanna see sugarray, Britanny, Pdiddy Jah Rule or Insane Clown Posse, Korn Limp and or say MOby feature EDP's in their respective videos.

But y'all know my idea to sell anything is to put sex into the equation.

Jenna Jamison, Jill Kelly or my fave - Chloe talking in print about how their "loop machines" make them feel would move tons of units ...just kidding - somewhat :)

Warmest Regards,
John Price/AKASH
"The World's Most Erotic Band"
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic
"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"

 --part1_a0.2bf26955.2a9a5918_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 12:02:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17154; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:02:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:02:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1b9.55d1d2c.2a9a5922@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:00:34 EDT Subject: loopy stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1b9.55d1d2c.2a9a5922_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1b9.55d1d2c.2a9a5922_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thought this might be of interest.....michael Click here: Studio 360 This Week --part1_1b9.55d1d2c.2a9a5922_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thought this might be of interest.....michael  Click here: Studio 360 This Week --part1_1b9.55d1d2c.2a9a5922_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 12:06:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16733; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:59:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:59:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 08:58:07 -0700 Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On a related note, I was paging through the new issue of Guitar Player today, and came across a Dean ad. It was typical Dean, a busty woman in a sheer blouse, cradling the guitar between her breasts, mouth half open as if she's thinking "Gosh...something sure would taste good right now..." and so on. This has been the Dean advertising model for some time, but I remember reading an interview with the company owner, Dean Zalinsky, where he said for the first few years, his ads were like everyone else's--famous guitarists with their bitchen' Deans (and these were guys who really did use the guitars). And sales were so-so. Then he took a cue from the rest of the business world and started using sexy woman in his ads, and things took off. "I sold more guitars with a girl in a bikini than I ever did with a rock star" is how I remember him putting it. >That's the whole point here. Big figures in pop culture are what moves >things. If we are interested in what will make looping more than an odd >niche, that's what it takes. A big shift in popular music culture that >somehow includes looping. Fringe artists and a few guys from decades ago >don't do it. On the other hand, there's a John Scofield article in the same issue that shows his pedalboard which features a Boomerang and a Loop Station, and he discusses how groovy the Boomerang is. About 18 months ago it seemed that every issue of Guitar Player had at least one article with some guitarist going on about looping in their playing, it just doesn't get headlines. TH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 12:18:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18209; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:17:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:17:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:16:32 -0500 Subject: Re: fripp looper o o loop Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >so what is fripp using for "looping" now ? last i heard, he had a quartet of 2290's and an eventide. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 12:24:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18670; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:23:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:23:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:22:24 -0500 Subject: Re: ART X-11...need some tips Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com no, you're totally right. this pedal is useless. it can't do anything! what a piece of junk. i spoke with a guy who owns (and apparently uses) one and he said that you have to configure your preamp/processor so that the art's program changes will affect the right change. file under: not cool. i might as well have lit 60 bucks on fire and did a little dance around the burning money. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 12:43:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19895; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:43:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:43:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 09:42:10 -0700 Subject: Re: ART X-11...need some tips Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <99A47AC6-B849-11D6-8267-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 10:22 AM, JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net wrote: > > i might as well have lit 60 bucks on fire and did a > little dance around the burning money. > > -jim and then you could have video taped your burning money dance, made a little sound track for it and sold it as a performance art piece. Then, you could take the profits and buy an FCB1010. It's certainly not the best MIDI control pedal out there, but I've got it working for my EDP set up and it's a great value for the money. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 12:45:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20160; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:44:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:44:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 09:37:42 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: fripp looper o o loop In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:16 PM -0500 8/25/02, JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net wrote: > >so what is fripp using for "looping" now ? > >last i heard, he had a quartet of 2290's and an eventide. Two Eventides and some other devices in the photo of his rack at http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/cat/soundsc.shtml -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 12:52:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21026; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:52:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:52:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 09:50:49 -0700 Subject: Re: Loop V request (was Re: A/B switch for Echoplex) From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825003845.03933a10@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But I have yet to find a MIDI controller that I like as much as the EFC-7. Now, true most of my comparison is relative to the FC-200, but finding something that is reasonably programmable, has enough buttons in a line, has a good feel to the switches, doesn't consume excessive floor space, etc. hasn't been successful so far. Throw in the fact that the EFC-7 while arguably overpriced for the amount of hardware involved is still a lot less expensive than most MIDI controllers. Mark on 8/25/02 12:47 AM, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > All that's not necessary. Just get a decent midi controller. Put the > Echoplexes on two different midi channels. In your midi controller, have a > set of controls for Echoplex A, a set of controls for Echoplex B, and a set > for A & B. That's part of the reason why we added the MIDI pipe feature. > kim > > At 06:00 PM 8/24/2002, Mark Hamburg wrote: >> Here's an idea for Loop V (or Loop IV 1.1): >> >> Add another mode control that allows to EDPs to be connected via MIDI with >> one connected to the footswitch. The one connected to the footswitch is the >> master. The other is the slave. That already works, but now for the twist. >> The mode control changes between Master, Slave, and Stereo and controls >> whether or not each Echoplex responds to foot control and feedback pedal >> information. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 13:05:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23146; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:04:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:04:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:02:42 -0700 Subject: Repeater spotted for sale From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sylvan Music in Santa Cruz. They want $629, however, which puts it within spitting distance of yet another Echoplex and is now twice the price of a Line6 Echo Pro. People keep saying that one should have both. Why? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 13:12:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23636; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:12:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:12:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c24c5a$7366cdc0$e4981cd5@hyeena> From: "Jukka Andersson" To: References: Subject: Re: MAC software. Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 20:11:26 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com and I can live with computer based latencies since its ambient music. and it does not have to be that "LOOP" only I mean I wont all the time play in material. I play quite lot prerecorded and premodified sounds. .jukka ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurent Brondel" To: Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 3:21 PM Subject: Re: MAC software. > On 8/25/02 7:22 AM, "Jukka Andersson" wrote: > > > what is good live purpose loop-software for mac > > that runs on G3 450MHz (?) PowerBook? > > > > I know Ableton live is pretty cool but is it too heavy > > for this computer? I've used Back To Basics 8 but > > I would like to control effects via midi and perhaps > > even more. but mainly effects at least. > > > > .jukka andersson > > finland. > > > > If you can live with the latency imposed by any computer based 'live' sound > treatment, the Pluggo 3 suite has pretty amazing 'delay/looping' plug-ins > (among others), but you will need a sequencer such as Logic, Cubase, DP or > ProTools to use them. And some sort of MIDI controller. > > -- > Laurent Brondel > laurentbrondel@earthlink.net > http://www.laurentbrondel.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 13:28:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24302; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:23:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:23:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <12b.16574ba5.2a9a6c0a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:21:14 EDT Subject: Re: Can't get cheap good MIDI pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA24181 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm not even sure if=20there is a really good MIDI control pedal still made. > If so, they seem=20to be as expensive as the gear they're trying to control > for some reason. The Behringer FCB1010 isn't a great controller by any means. But it'll dig deep into Loop4 for you. And its incredibly cheap Around £100 GBP, and for you in the US, a retail of $179.99 ....but you're quite right, all the really good stuff gets discontinued andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 13:37:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25369; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:36:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:36:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:35:41 -0700 From: andrew pask Subject: Re: MAC software. In-reply-to: <002301c24c5a$7366cdc0$e4981cd5@hyeena> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.5.3 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 8/25/02 at 8:11 PM, vi8mjuan@kyamk.fi (Jukka Andersson) wrote: > and I can live with computer based latencies since > its ambient music. > > and it does not have to be that "LOOP" only I mean I wont > all the time play in material. I play quite lot prerecorded and > premodified sounds. > While you're at www.cycling74.com have a look at some of their other stuff - it may be more along the lines of what you're thinking about. Cheers Andrew P.S. Oh c'mon you guys I couldn't let that one go past..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 13:50:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26350; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:49:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:49:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:49:08 -0400 Subject: Re: MAC software. From: Laurent Brondel To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002301c24c5a$7366cdc0$e4981cd5@hyeena> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pluggo 3 is definitely something to check out, far beyond delays and looping: You might want to have a go at GRM Tools as well: Also Absynth is a software synth, but totally unusual in its design: -- Laurent Brondel laurentbrondel@earthlink.net http://www.laurentbrondel.com On 8/25/02 1:11 PM, "Jukka Andersson" wrote: > and I can live with computer based latencies since > its ambient music. > > and it does not have to be that "LOOP" only I mean I wont > all the time play in material. I play quite lot prerecorded and > premodified sounds. > > .jukka > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laurent Brondel" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 3:21 PM > Subject: Re: MAC software. > > >> On 8/25/02 7:22 AM, "Jukka Andersson" wrote: >> >>> what is good live purpose loop-software for mac >>> that runs on G3 450MHz (?) PowerBook? >>> >>> I know Ableton live is pretty cool but is it too heavy >>> for this computer? I've used Back To Basics 8 but >>> I would like to control effects via midi and perhaps >>> even more. but mainly effects at least. >>> >>> .jukka andersson >>> finland. >>> >> >> If you can live with the latency imposed by any computer based 'live' > sound >> treatment, the Pluggo 3 suite has pretty amazing 'delay/looping' plug-ins >> (among others), but you will need a sequencer such as Logic, Cubase, DP or >> ProTools to use them. And some sort of MIDI controller. >> >> -- >> Laurent Brondel >> laurentbrondel@earthlink.net >> http://www.laurentbrondel.com >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 14:09:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28647; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:08:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:08:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:07:56 -0700 Subject: Why I love the Repeater (was;Re: Repeater spotted for sale) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <94CD97B4-B855-11D6-8267-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <331MuB.A.O-G.-zRa9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jon Wagner and I had this talk yesterday. After an amazing EDP day, we still looked at each other and said, "God, the Repeater is amazing. What will happen if ours were to break!? THE HORROR!" So where do I start? First synching. While the Repeater's output clock is dubious, a lot of devices don't seem to have an issue with it, including the EDP. Both Jon Wagner and I have done this successfully. But that's not the Repeater's strong suit. It's how it synchs to other devices. With the EDP you can imagine your loops are made of fine spun glass fiber. You can splice more or take chunks away, but try to stretch it and BLAM. Totally rigid in this respect. Now the Repeater's loops are like Silly Putty. (Who here has not experienced the joy that is pressing Silly Putty on to the Sunday comix to make Snoopy look like an Robert Crumb nightmare?!) Slow down your sequence (within reason, but pretty far) or speed it up, and the Repeater behaves like an obedient puppy. It might take a few moments for it to catch up with you, but it will stay by your side. Your pitch? Stays the same. Artifacts? Some, but totally usable and damn good compared to a lot of other devices that try to do this in real time. I never realized how I took this for granted until I put the EDP in my rig. If I've got an EDP loop going, I'd better not touch that BPM slider on my Roland MC-307 unless I'm preparing to get weird with the tempo. I must admit, not having Loop4 does prevent me from going back to my original tempo and doing a realign command. This does open up possibilities for sure. So, what else? You can time stretch and compress and pitch shift in a very fluid way. The inverse of the above is the pitch thing. The EDPs half speed and double speed pales in comparison. Sorry kids. The Repeater will run rings around any other looping device in this arena. Name the interval and you're there. Play your loops with a MIDI keyboard. I think you get an octave up and two down. Your tempo? Right on. Oh LOOK AT ME! I'm now playing my loop backwards at 80% of it's original tempo up a fifth. WEEEEEEE! And who can forget STEREO. Sure, the Repeater and EDP now cost about the same but I don't care who you are, if you plan to record music it will be played back on a stereo system. The Repeater is STEREO. Sure you can post process your loops with a stereo effect, but trust me, it isn't the same. Also, I'm not just looping guitar, I've got 1028 juicy stereo sounds that come from my synth, as well as the output of the AirFX and AirSynth. To bump those down to mono would be a damn shame. Believe me, it's one of the main reasons I haven't really hit the EDP that hard since I got it. To me this is VERY important and I don't have the cash for another one. While were on it, forget stereo, the Repeater is a multitrack device that can deal with 4 tracks, how ever you'd like to deal with them. Two stereo pairs, one stereo pair and two mono, whatever. You can take each track and "slip" it in relationship with the others, while all the time still maintaining the tempo! Really useful. Stereo Effects loop. YUM. To do what I do with the Repeater, I'd not only need another EDP, but some signal routing device like a mixer with stereo aux sends or a Switchblade router. Switchblades START at $750! That means I've spent $2050! YIPE! If you don't care about an effects loop, you can route each track to it's own output for quad looping madness. The 16 meg it comes with is nothing. OK for my grandmom's looper. Get an $80 smartmedia card and you've now got 128 meg! 8 minute loop length limit! Longest out there of any hardware looper. The end. And you still get a lot of the functionality of the EDP with things like Loop multiply, different overdub modes, undo, ect. You don't get the yummy insert modes though. This ability to splice bits onto your loop is where the Repeater lacks. I never knew I needed these until yesterday though! I'm still not sure I can even use them much, as they'd screw up the MIDI synch that's so much a part of my deal. Last, but not least, for those DJs out there that need to take bits of what they're mixing and loop it, the Repeater's Beat Detect is really good. For fun, I'll put it in beat detect mode and just play into it, changing my tempo making the Repeater CRAZY trying to find me. Oh, it's get's weird quick. All the time, I can be in Record too. OK, I'm sure there's more, but I'm tired of typing. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 10:02 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > Sylvan Music in Santa Cruz. > > They want $629, however, which puts it within spitting distance of yet > another Echoplex and is now twice the price of a Line6 Echo Pro. > > People keep saying that one should have both. Why? > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 14:11:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28992; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:10:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:10:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:10:01 -0700 Subject: Re: MAC software. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002301c24c5a$7366cdc0$e4981cd5@hyeena> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What ever you do, make sure you get a good audio interface (USB or better yet Firewire) for your Mac. I don't know about your model, but I played with a guy a week ago and the outputs of his macs were noisy as hell. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 10:11 AM, Jukka Andersson wrote: > and I can live with computer based latencies since > its ambient music. > > and it does not have to be that "LOOP" only I mean I wont > all the time play in material. I play quite lot prerecorded and > premodified sounds. > > .jukka > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laurent Brondel" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 3:21 PM > Subject: Re: MAC software. > > >> On 8/25/02 7:22 AM, "Jukka Andersson" wrote: >> >>> what is good live purpose loop-software for mac >>> that runs on G3 450MHz (?) PowerBook? >>> >>> I know Ableton live is pretty cool but is it too heavy >>> for this computer? I've used Back To Basics 8 but >>> I would like to control effects via midi and perhaps >>> even more. but mainly effects at least. >>> >>> .jukka andersson >>> finland. >>> >> >> If you can live with the latency imposed by any computer based 'live' > sound >> treatment, the Pluggo 3 suite has pretty amazing 'delay/looping' >> plug-ins >> (among others), but you will need a sequencer such as Logic, Cubase, >> DP or >> ProTools to use them. And some sort of MIDI controller. >> >> -- >> Laurent Brondel >> laurentbrondel@earthlink.net >> http://www.laurentbrondel.com >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 14:16:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29598; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:15:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:15:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:14:27 -0700 Subject: Re: EDP Hardware Interface Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001a01c24c49$225f7500$0affff0a@hppav> Message-Id: <7DE6EA5C-B856-11D6-8267-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Love that Repeater interface. Gotta love it. Marklar On Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 08:07 AM, David wrote: > Yes - I understand that one button pressed long, short, or in one of 2 > or > three modes does give me a lot of different functions. Real-estate on > the > EDP face-plate is small, so you gotta make choices. > > The Adrenalinn uses the same grid-style of interface. > > So do the Korg Etribe machines. > > Of course if I was driving a car and the accelerator and the brake were > the > same pedal, and all I needed to do was switch modes between patches, > I'd end > up with a road wreck pretty quick. > > It's a great rack-mount unit, don't get me wrong. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matthias Grob" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 8:19 PM > Subject: Re: EDP Hardware Interface > > >>> What you guy are pointing out to me is that many more features are >>> accessible from the existing EDP hardware interface than I'm taking >>> advantage of. >> >> happens to everyone ;-) >> >>> And that some others capabilities are easiest accessed via a midi > controller. >> >> very few ones, actually: about 5 DirectMIDI commands and the direct >> switching between loops. >> Also the direct access to all parameters through Sysex, but thats the >> same for every MIDI machine >> >>> Dealing with all these variables/parameters live and while playing >>> with other people is just a headful of stuff to keep track of. >> >> probably you find a few ways that correspond to your music and/or the >> situation (band) and then get used to those. >> >>> I guess I'm just a bit of a bonehead and hate dealing with manuals. >> >> also very common. A lot you discover by trying. >> Remember that a yellow LED means that you get a different function if >> you press that button. >> >>> AURISIS -- is the Loop IV software code-base portable to the PC and >>> MAC OS's?? >> >> no, its written in ASM, directly for that HW. >> I am rewriting it in C++ now, but I dont think it will become >> available for the computers too soon. >> >> -- >> >> >> ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 14:17:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29822; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:16:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:16:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:15:35 -0700 Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is this where it comes to? Do we need a looper spokes model!? On Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 08:58 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > On a related note, I was paging through the new issue of Guitar Player > today, and came across a Dean ad. It was typical Dean, a busty woman > in a > sheer blouse, cradling the guitar between her breasts, mouth half open > as if > she's thinking "Gosh...something sure would taste good right now..." > and so > on. This has been the Dean advertising model for some time, but I > remember > reading an interview with the company owner, Dean Zalinsky, where he > said > for the first few years, his ads were like everyone else's--famous > guitarists with their bitchen' Deans (and these were guys who really > did use > the guitars). And sales were so-so. > > Then he took a cue from the rest of the business world and started using > sexy woman in his ads, and things took off. "I sold more guitars with a > girl in a bikini than I ever did with a rock star" is how I remember him > putting it. > >> That's the whole point here. Big figures in pop culture are what moves >> things. If we are interested in what will make looping more than an odd >> niche, that's what it takes. A big shift in popular music culture that >> somehow includes looping. Fringe artists and a few guys from decades >> ago >> don't do it. > > On the other hand, there's a John Scofield article in the same issue > that > shows his pedalboard which features a Boomerang and a Loop Station, and > he > discusses how groovy the Boomerang is. About 18 months ago it seemed > that > every issue of Guitar Player had at least one article with some > guitarist > going on about looping in their playing, it just doesn't get headlines. > > > TH > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 14:28:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30640; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:27:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:27:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <159.1316b4bc.2a9a7b44@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:26:12 EDT Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_159.1316b4bc.2a9a7b44_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10514 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_159.1316b4bc.2a9a7b44_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/25/2002 11:15:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > Is this where it comes to? Do we need a looper spokes model!? > > > MOre or less...yup Warmest Regards, John Price/AKASH "The World's Most Erotic Band" http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" --part1_159.1316b4bc.2a9a7b44_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/25/2002 11:15:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes:


Is this where it comes to?  Do we need a looper spokes model!?




MOre or less...yup

Warmest Regards,
John Price/AKASH
"The World's Most Erotic Band"
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic
"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"

 --part1_159.1316b4bc.2a9a7b44_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 14:31:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30935; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:30:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:30:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Chrvans@aol.com Message-ID: <17d.d57d822.2a9a7bf8@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:29:12 EDT Subject: Deltalab Effectron I - Connection question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 124 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I've recently picked up a nice Effectron I to use w/my guitar & amp combination. However, i'm having issues trying to make the connection. Getting a very strange buzzzzzzzzzzzz when running a 1/4" cable (output) into my amp (input). Of course, i'm pluging my guitar via "input" on the effectron. NOW, i notice that 10W is printed on the back of the unit. Does this unit send a pwr signal AND a effect signal? My question, what does it take to make this unit work (sending a signal) to my amp? thanks in advance. Chris Evans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 15:00:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01505; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 15:00:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 15:00:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D692961.79B56A51@cloud9.net> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 15:00:49 -0400 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why I love the Repeater References: <200208251813.OAA29256@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You make me *so* glad I just bought a backup Repeater, Mark :) And if I'm able to get them to sync well enough to have an 8-track looper, I'll be sure to let y'all know!! Won't get a chance to try for a while though, since I just loaned "looper jr" to a friend :) Elby > Subject: Why I love the Repeater (was;Re: Repeater spotted for sale) > Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:07:56 -0700 > From: Mark Sottilaro > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Jon Wagner and I had this talk yesterday. After an amazing EDP day, > we > still looked at each other and said, "God, the Repeater is amazing. > What will happen if ours were to break!? THE HORROR!" > > So where do I start? First synching. > > While the Repeater's output clock is dubious, a lot of devices don't > seem to have an issue with it, including the EDP. Both Jon Wagner and > I > have done this successfully. But that's not the Repeater's strong > suit. > It's how it synchs to other devices. With the EDP you can imagine > your > loops are made of fine spun glass fiber. You can splice more or take > chunks away, but try to stretch it and BLAM. Totally rigid in this > respect. Now the Repeater's loops are like Silly Putty. (Who here > has > not experienced the joy that is pressing Silly Putty on to the Sunday > comix to make Snoopy look like an Robert Crumb nightmare?!) Slow > down > your sequence (within reason, but pretty far) or speed it up, and the > Repeater behaves like an obedient puppy. It might take a few moments > for it to catch up with you, but it will stay by your side. Your > pitch? Stays the same. Artifacts? Some, but totally usable and > damn > good compared to a lot of other devices that try to do this in real > time. I never realized how I took this for granted until I put the > EDP > in my rig. If I've got an EDP loop going, I'd better not touch that > BPM > slider on my Roland MC-307 unless I'm preparing to get weird with the > tempo. I must admit, not having Loop4 does prevent me from going > back > to my original tempo and doing a realign command. This does open up > possibilities for sure. > > So, what else? You can time stretch and compress and pitch shift in > a > very fluid way. The inverse of the above is the pitch thing. The > EDPs > half speed and double speed pales in comparison. Sorry kids. The > Repeater will run rings around any other looping device in this > arena. > Name the interval and you're there. Play your loops with a MIDI > keyboard. I think you get an octave up and two down. Your tempo? > Right on. Oh LOOK AT ME! I'm now playing my loop backwards at 80% > of > it's original tempo up a fifth. WEEEEEEE! > > And who can forget STEREO. Sure, the Repeater and EDP now cost about > the same but I don't care who you are, if you plan to record music it > will be played back on a stereo system. The Repeater is STEREO. > Sure > you can post process your loops with a stereo effect, but trust me, > it > isn't the same. Also, I'm not just looping guitar, I've got 1028 > juicy > stereo sounds that come from my synth, as well as the output of the > AirFX and AirSynth. To bump those down to mono would be a damn > shame. > Believe me, it's one of the main reasons I haven't really hit the EDP > that hard since I got it. To me this is VERY important and I don't > have > the cash for another one. > > While were on it, forget stereo, the Repeater is a multitrack device > that can deal with 4 tracks, how ever you'd like to deal with them. > Two > stereo pairs, one stereo pair and two mono, whatever. You can take > each > track and "slip" it in relationship with the others, while all the > time > still maintaining the tempo! Really useful. > > Stereo Effects loop. YUM. To do what I do with the Repeater, I'd > not > only need another EDP, but some signal routing device like a mixer > with > stereo aux sends or a Switchblade router. Switchblades START at > $750! > That means I've spent $2050! YIPE! If you don't care about an > effects > loop, you can route each track to it's own output for quad looping > madness. > > The 16 meg it comes with is nothing. OK for my grandmom's looper. > Get > an $80 smartmedia card and you've now got 128 meg! 8 minute loop > length > limit! Longest out there of any hardware looper. The end. > > And you still get a lot of the functionality of the EDP with things > like > Loop multiply, different overdub modes, undo, ect. You don't get the > yummy insert modes though. This ability to splice bits onto your > loop > is where the Repeater lacks. I never knew I needed these until > yesterday though! I'm still not sure I can even use them much, as > they'd screw up the MIDI synch that's so much a part of my deal. > > Last, but not least, for those DJs out there that need to take bits > of > what they're mixing and loop it, the Repeater's Beat Detect is really > good. For fun, I'll put it in beat detect mode and just play into > it, > changing my tempo making the Repeater CRAZY trying to find me. Oh, > it's > get's weird quick. All the time, I can be in Record too. > > OK, I'm sure there's more, but I'm tired of typing. > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 15:04:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02039; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 15:03:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 15:03:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D68C592.3D15081E@ubuibi.org> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:54:57 +0000 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well eno looked cute in a feather boa...... Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Is this where it comes to? Do we need a looper spokes model!? > > On Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 08:58 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > > > > > >> That's the whole point here. Big figures in pop culture are what moves > >> things. If we are interested in what will make looping more than an odd > >> niche, that's what it takes. rather stay in a hidden niche From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 15:08:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02471; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 15:07:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 15:07:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01fd01c24c6a$27242600$812693d4@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <94CD97B4-B855-11D6-8267-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Why I love the Repeater (was;Re: Repeater spotted for sale) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 21:03:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark you're definitly the repeater's Italo.... :=) :=) :=) :=) :=) :=) :=) :=) :=) :=) :=) :=) Take care Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 15:34:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04768; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 15:33:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 15:33:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:32:01 -0700 Subject: Re: Why I love the Repeater (was;Re: Repeater spotted for sale) From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <94CD97B4-B855-11D6-8267-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe I just don't appreciate pitch shifting enough, but it hasn't been a big selling point for me. The selling points would be 4 tracks and a stereo effects loop. The counter-selling points are the lack of Record straight into Overdub (the infamous click issue) and the MIDI clock problems. The first comes up because it messes with being able to record things with echos or reverb tails unless I build a primed loop first. The second comes up because the most obvious setup for me to use a Repeater would be: Mo-FX ^ ^ | | HandSonic --> Repeater --> everything else (Speaking of which a recommendation on racking that would let me put these above my HandSonic would be appreciated.) That way I could build percussion loops while dropping tracks in and out. The Repeater v. Mo-FX problem, however, is a relatively big issue with making this work. I could preset the tempo, but one of the things I'd like to be able to do is play the base loop however felt natural and derive the tempo from that. Could I potentially make this work by recording the base loop and then sending MIDI clock from the HandSonic with the loop stretching to adjust? In other words, I'll end up at 130 bpm (or whatever) after I record but I don't have to think about playing at exactly 130 bpm to start with? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 15:34:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04675; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 15:33:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 15:33:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825122339.038f64e8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:34:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist In-Reply-To: <3D68C6FC.48F47E44@optonline.net> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020822193546.02191d60@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020823143816.037adef0@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020824023456.038e0c60@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Michael K- you were wondering about people who are proud that nobody likes their music, here's a perfect example for you: At 05:01 AM 8/25/2002, Greg Waltzer wrote: > > That's the whole point here. Big figures in pop culture are what moves > > things. If we are interested in what will make looping more than an odd > > niche, that's what it takes. A big shift in popular music culture that > > somehow includes looping. Fringe artists and a few guys from decades ago > > don't do it. > >Personally I hope that looping remains on the fringe. >When it goes mainstream, that will be the time to move on to something else. a. turn on your radio. the music there already is FILLED with loops. It is everywhere. The only difference between most of that and most of what we are talking about here is the technique, in that most of the popular music today is made with studio constructed loops instead of real-time constructed loops. So you better start learning accordion now. b. as long as looping is a fringe thing, the tools you use for it will be limited in variety and slow to develop. That hurts you, it doesn't help you. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 15:50:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06187; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 15:50:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 15:50:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825123947.03951ab0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:52:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist In-Reply-To: <00c501c24bed$4f3c9d20$66effea9@oemcomputer> References: <7AF925F6-B783-11D6-9F0A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <1lGxXC.A.PdB.BTTa9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:09 PM 8/24/2002, Bruce Comens wrote: >1 example of visibility. >One thing the folks at line 6 are very good at is marketing. I don't think >they have any endorsers for the dl4, but they designed a very distinctive >cute/funky box that sits on the floor and is instantly recognizable. >(N.B.: I'm NOT saying the edp should be like that!) the EDP sort of is like that though. If you look at a rack of gear you can instantly tell if an EDP is in it because they look different from everything else and really stand out. Similar with the echoplex pedal. The color is distinctive, and at least the way I originally designed it, it had the Oberheim logo across the back in the biggest possible letters that would fit. That was exactly so when somebody was using it on stage, the back of the pedal would face the audience so everybody would see what it said. However, in the case of the dl-4, most people own it because it is a good delay pedal, not because it is a looper. Delay is a must-have effect, and the DL-4 is a pretty good choice for that. Looping is not a must-have effect so far. Line-6 even thinks of the looping feature in the pedal as a novelty that doesn't really sell very many pedals, and they are probably right. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 15:51:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06023; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 15:50:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 15:50:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: m-i-k-o@attbi.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hello Dali Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 19:48:31 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 12 2002) Message-Id: <20020825194832.ITZU1186.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@rwcrwbc70> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com LOL - thanks for making light of it all. > regarding the Dalai Lama, Mark said: > > Not sure if he's ever been violent, but I once overheard him ordering a > Hot > > Dog from a street vendor in NYC. > > > > He said, "Make me one with everything." > > > > ba-dum-dum. > > Yes, but that's only half the story. After receiving his red-hot, he paid > the vendor with a twenty-dollar bill. The vendor thanked him and asked the > next customer in line for his order. The Dalai Lama protested, asking > "Where's my change?" > > "Change must come from within." the vendor replied knowingly. > > -- rim shot -- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 15:53:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06623; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 15:52:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 15:52:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: m-i-k-o@attbi.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hello Dali- hyper-real sureal Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 19:51:29 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 12 2002) Message-Id: <20020825195129.QRJS14185.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc70> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought about it and I think it goes like this: hyper-real intensifies reality surreal juxtaposes multiple realities If the "Delay Lama" is "surreal" then it must in some way juxtposes different realities. this it may be juxtaposing violence and the Dalai Lama without necessarily making a direct connection between them. > One is more surreal :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MIKO" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 4:31 PM > Subject: RE: Hello Dali > > > > Oh by the way what's the difference between surreal and hyperreal? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jonathan El-Bizri [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 10:30 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Hello Dali > > > > > > > > It works great on my p4, but the first few times I opened it under > > Cubase, it crashed out. I'm not sure what happened after that, but works > > fine. > > > > I've had problems like this before with Cubase, and they've all managed > > to solve themselves the next time I fooled around wth them. Below all > > that sophisticated white chrome, lurks a strange beast indeed. > > > > As far as the Lama - it rocks. Uncannily human. Endless fun. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Myers" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 6:13 PM > > Subject: Re: Hello Dali > > > > > > > Except that it does nothing but crash my G4/Cubase! Anyone else? > > > > > > David Lee Myers > > > http://www.pulsewidth.com > > > > > > > > > on 8/21/02 8:10 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > > > > > > > This sure looks cool, and it's free! Must check out! > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/2002/Delay-Lama.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 16:09:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08904; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:09:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:09:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:08:08 -0500 Subject: Re: ART X-11...need some tips Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com at least the little burning money dance would've been fun and strange. the art is neither. i wish things didn't break. my all access breaking is the source of this problem. can i sue rocktron for personal damages? can i sue myself for stupidity? -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 16:12:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09517; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:11:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:11:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825125550.03939f98@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:13:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Nu Metal vs. Steve Vai vs. Santana In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you guys are driving me insane. The Korn reference was not about Korn becoming loopers. It was a comparison example about 7-string guitars. Korn sells 7-string guitars a lot better than Steve Vai or George Van Eps, because Korn is way more popular. At 12:11 AM 8/25/2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >But which demographic would have the cash to blow on an EDP? My guess is >that most of the younger crowd who listen to Korn aren't going to have a >lot of extra cash to spend, (I didn't when I was 18, where as most of the >people who were/are into Vai and Santana probably have given up on the >pipe dream that is being a rock star and have jobs that would give them >the extra dough to get an EDP (IE: ME) Well, somebody pays for all the Korn albums and t-shirts and concert tickets and 7-string guitars. Most likely it's mom and dad. The Korn demographic is bored middle and upper-middle class teenagers. Maybe it wasn't true for you, but where I came from parents spent giant amounts of money on their kid's hobbies and interests, some of which included music and therefore music gear. That's why 12-25 year olds are one of the two major demographics for musical instrument makers. Besides, if kids aren't interested in looping today, they won't be later when they have their mid-life crisis. That's the other major demographic. Older professionals who have plenty of cash, but suddenly feel they want to reinvigorate their lives and relive their youth. Today that means re-living times spent in garage bands playing baby-boomer rock, but now with $5000 Les Pauls. no musical instrument maker targets poor musicians as customers. They never buy anything. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 16:12:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09370; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:11:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:11:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:09:52 -0500 Subject: Re: fripp looper o o loop Resent-Message-ID: <3SsKMD.A.kNC.RmTa9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yep, two 'tides on top (ooh, alliteration!) and 4 2290's in pairs. the other stuff i have no idea... -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 16:14:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09935; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:13:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:13:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:12:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Can't get cheap good MIDI pedals Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is the all access discontinued? i've heard yes, but so many online retailers say that they're just really backed up production-wise. rocktron still gives good tech support for the all access. i think cheap and good are mutually exclusive terms. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 16:28:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11096; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:28:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:28:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020825202701.76545.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:27:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Santana no longer influential?!?! HORSE CHIPS!!!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200208232230.SAA08096@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> Yeah, I guess those of us who were 4 years old (namely, me!) 25 years ago don't count, eh? I never heard of Santana before we got cable back in 82. I first heard of Santana when I saw the video for Hold On on MTV. What was funny was during the vocal sections of the song, there was this silly conceptual plotline involving Carlos trying to find this beautiful woman in a sort of Rio Carnaval type setting. The only time you actually saw the band playing was during his guitar solos. Thusly, imagine my surprise when I saw a live clip on MTV of Santana doing some other songs, and finding out that Carlos wasn't the singer in his own band!!!!!! Anywho, what I heard there, though perhaps insubstantial in some people's minds, was enough to catch this 11 year old's attention. Subsequently, I saw the Woodstock movie, saw other video clips by Santana (including an old clip from the German TV show Beat Club, showing the Santana III era band-with a young, Afro-d, pre-Journey Neal Schon playing a gold top Les Paul-playing Black Magic Woman) and eventually I bought a couple of his albums. Once I dug a little deeper and got some of his older records (specifically, Lotus and Moonflower, as well as the Viva Santana compilation), I was struck by his sense of melody, phrasing, and that tone!!! And I still can't believe that one note during the Viva Santana version of Europa, he holds it for like A FULL MINUTE!!!!!! Maybe Carlos Santana (or Jerry Garcia, or Frank Zappa or any of a number of other musicians) don't have the same kind of mass influence they had 25-30 years ago, but don't tell me they didn't influence anyone during the last 20 years!!! I can tell you're flat out wrong, even if I'm the only guitarist under the age of 30 to be influenced by these guys, you're still wrong! ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 16:29:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11358; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:28:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:28:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825131357.0391dcb0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:30:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:58 AM 8/25/2002, Travis Hartnett wrote: > >That's the whole point here. Big figures in pop culture are what moves > >things. If we are interested in what will make looping more than an odd > >niche, that's what it takes. A big shift in popular music culture that > >somehow includes looping. Fringe artists and a few guys from decades ago > >don't do it. > >On the other hand, there's a John Scofield article in the same issue that >shows his pedalboard which features a Boomerang and a Loop Station, and he >discusses how groovy the Boomerang is. About 18 months ago it seemed that >every issue of Guitar Player had at least one article with some guitarist >going on about looping in their playing, it just doesn't get headlines. That's not huge, but it's not bad either. If he's really taking a new direction with his music, and it really is based on looping, and people really like it, some of his fans will dig on that and get interested. I remember when I initially got into this, I was really surprised at how many acoustic finger-style guitarists were into using electronic loops in their playing. It didn't make any sense to me at all until I discovered that Phil Keaggy was really into looping and had based a lot of his songs on it. It wasn't just a novelty, it was an integral part of what he did and he's pretty popular. Fans of Phil Keaggy wanted to play music like he did, which meant they had to get JamMans like he used. Chet Atkins also. He won a Grammy for his song Jam Man, which was based around looping with the JamMan obviously. But mainly it was good music that a lot of people liked, made by Chet Atkins, who happened to use looping to create it. So people tried looping to be like those guys. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 16:37:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12250; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:37:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:37:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c24c77$30757b20$e4981cd5@hyeena> From: "Jukka Andersson" To: References: Subject: Re: MAC software. Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:37:10 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have E-Magic EMI 2/6 in my system. I had ST-Audio DSP2000 but changed it to this since portability. Plus this works both on mac and PC. Well need perhaps to get something PCI because it just is in many case nice to have multiclient drivers what this unit does not support. But this works just fine and surely am about to use it :-) I have done couple of gigs with MAC's own audioout and yes it is noisy but not that noisy that it would make setup shit. But again in high volumes it wont work. -jukka ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 9:10 PM Subject: Re: MAC software. > What ever you do, make sure you get a good audio interface (USB or > better yet Firewire) for your Mac. I don't know about your model, but I > played with a guy a week ago and the outputs of his macs were noisy as > hell. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 10:11 AM, Jukka Andersson wrote: > > > and I can live with computer based latencies since > > its ambient music. > > > > and it does not have to be that "LOOP" only I mean I wont > > all the time play in material. I play quite lot prerecorded and > > premodified sounds. > > > > .jukka > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Laurent Brondel" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 3:21 PM > > Subject: Re: MAC software. > > > > > >> On 8/25/02 7:22 AM, "Jukka Andersson" wrote: > >> > >>> what is good live purpose loop-software for mac > >>> that runs on G3 450MHz (?) PowerBook? > >>> > >>> I know Ableton live is pretty cool but is it too heavy > >>> for this computer? I've used Back To Basics 8 but > >>> I would like to control effects via midi and perhaps > >>> even more. but mainly effects at least. > >>> > >>> .jukka andersson > >>> finland. > >>> > >> > >> If you can live with the latency imposed by any computer based 'live' > > sound > >> treatment, the Pluggo 3 suite has pretty amazing 'delay/looping' > >> plug-ins > >> (among others), but you will need a sequencer such as Logic, Cubase, > >> DP or > >> ProTools to use them. And some sort of MIDI controller. > >> > >> -- > >> Laurent Brondel > >> laurentbrondel@earthlink.net > >> http://www.laurentbrondel.com > >> > >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 16:38:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12466; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:38:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:38:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825133148.0396ae58@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:40:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <_QfFTD.A.H_C.8_Ta9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think the key is that he "did" expose them. as in Past Tense. That was decades ago. Everybody who was going to be influenced by that already was. New people today are not getting interested in looping because of Fripp or Eno. kim At 03:02 PM 8/24/2002, Jonathan Yandel wrote: >I agree. Fripp probably exposed more guitarists to looping (kudos to Eno >as well) than anybody. He may not be the best the looping world has had >to offer, but he certainly has had an impact. And yes, one must respect >him for sticking to his guns for his entire career. >jonathan > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark Sottilaro >Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 2:03 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist > >Why splutter? Whether you like his music or not, Fripp's a big part of >the looping world. The end. In my opinion, he's one of the only of his >kind that hasn't gone all soft. He's a nice cranky OCD guitarist, and I >still listen to King Crimson all the time. God Save The Queen was >probably one of my first introductions to any looping. > >He claims to have never gotten a dime, or even a working EH16 even >though they marketed it as a "Fripp in the box." > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Friday, August 23, 2002, at 09:44 PM, David wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Fripp. > > > > Aaaaaaaaagh! I said it! I'm going to regret this!! PULEEZE don't let > > me > > burn in hell! ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 16:45:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13075; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:44:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:44:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.192.219.2] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <7AF925F6-B783-11D6-9F0A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20020825123947.03951ab0@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 01:49:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2002 20:42:54.0173 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC8D40D0:01C24C77] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Flint wrote: > the DL-4 is a pretty good choice for that. Looping is not a must-have > effect so far. ^^^^^ ha, ha, caught you... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 16:58:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14258; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:57:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:57:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: mahijiru.cspc.us: www-data set sender to erwill@suitandtieguy.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fripp looper o o loop Message-ID: <1030308974.3d69446ebfb5f@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:56:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Williamson References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 216.166.195.91 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i see in the photo, and saw at the crimson show (where i stood 6 feet from him) eventide H3000 eventide H3500 2 roland gp100s 2 tc2290s sound sculpture switchblade <<-- VERY important 2 more tc2290s ? ? furman power conditioner carver amp (for bag end monitors) when i saw him play a soundscapes show, he had 3 eventides and the two mystery devices were nowhere to be found. the third h3000 was turned off ... i'm assuming it was a backup. and yes this is alot of gear. especially for the person who was rumoured to be "scared" of edgar froese's rig when he showed up for a david bowie session (pure rumour). however, when you realise it's basically two stereo loopers with 2 fx processors for each and the switchblade to route and impedence-match everything, it's not that big of a deal. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 17:26:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17209; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 17:26:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 17:26:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.134.56.147] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EZbus Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 17:24:30 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2002 21:24:30.0738 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC9ED720:01C24C7D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just saw this link: http://www.event1.com/ezbus/mixezbus.htm Does anyone use this either for mixing their loops or as an USB audio interface? Thanks LOU _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 17:29:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17695; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 17:29:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 17:29:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825150323.029bf848@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 15:42:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: RE: more fests In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:42 AM 8/25/2002 -0500, Taaffe, Denis G wrote: >Yes I definitely would be interested and it would make for an awesome >show.let's get that together soon. Well, Maybe give each person a 1/2 hour >to an hour to play, how many would be involved? Would be an all day thing >maybe? Well, in Bloomington there is a nice hall to rent, indianapolis has >a nice one too and its big.Well those are the two palces where I know we >coud setup a show no problem, outside of that the only other place would >be Chicago,IL, but I have no places that I know of there. But yes, I wanna >do that badly, that would be great and well, lets get a date going and a >lsit of people ready to perform and do it I guess!!! I'm here in Chicago, and, if you wish, I can give you suggestions on clubs that are extremely open to improvisational and experimental music. (Or, heck, just sign up for the chi-improv list at yahoogroups, and you'll get locked in on that whole scene pretty quickly yourself.) I'm sure there are plenty of places here that would enjoy putting together an evening(s) dedicated to loopers. If there's enough interest, it may very well become a regular thing.... -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 17:29:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17810; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 17:29:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 17:29:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825161959.029f41a0@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:25:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: loop device endorsement In-Reply-To: <3D68C592.3D15081E@ubuibi.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <4DPCCB.A.vSE.6vUa9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:54 AM 8/25/2002 +0000, das wrote: >Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > Is this where it comes to? Do we need a looper spokes model!? > >well eno looked cute in a feather boa...... Thank you so much for that mental image. I just laughed so hard I spit milk through my nose. ;) -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 17:30:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18155; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 17:30:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 17:30:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825155013.02a55e28@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:20:50 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: Repeater spotted for sale In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <9ll86C.A.ZSE.6vUa9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:02 AM 8/25/2002 -0700, Mark Hamburg wrote: >Sylvan Music in Santa Cruz. > >They want $629, however, which puts it within spitting distance of yet >another Echoplex and is now twice the price of a Line6 Echo Pro. > >People keep saying that one should have both. Why? Yep, I'm in a similar circumstance. I've got a line on a Repeater but I'm really torn as to whether to follow through on it. (I'd *really* like to thank Mark Sottilaro for his insightful comments, by the way.) I don't consider myself a looper in the strictest sense of the word. I'm trying to put together a setup (all synthesizers, no acoustic instruments) that will allow me to put Frippertronics-type space ambience over the top of techno breakbeats. For that reason, I was originally thinking about getting an Echo Pro, then possibly moving up to an EDP later if I really got into looping. But now I'm faced with the dilemma regarding the Repeater of "get it now or forever hold your peace". <*sigh*> So, for those of you with Repeaters doing electronica, I'd just like to ask: Is it really 'all that', or am I just getting caught up with gearlust and engaging in overkill...? TIA!!! -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 17:48:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19038; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 17:47:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 17:47:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825162639.02a77df0@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:44:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: Can't get cheap good MIDI pedals In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:12 PM 8/25/2002 -0500, JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net wrote: >i think cheap and good are mutually exclusive terms. Not necessarily; occasionally you'll find a company which comes along and manufactures ground-breaking technology at a drastically reduced price. In particular, I'm thinking of Casio who, with their inexpensive CZ (& later VZ) series synths, brought FM synthesis to the masses. And let's not overlook Alesis. They took Akai's $40,000 ADAM digital recorder, then redesigned and brought it out as the ADAT for a tenth of the price. But of course, in many other cases, you do happen to get what you pay for.... -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 18:18:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22032; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 18:16:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 18:16:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Repeater spotted for sale Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:17:25 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c24c85$318423a0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825155013.02a55e28@icicle.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <9J-hqC.A.sWF.BcVa9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi -c-, I don't know if I really do understand what you want/need to do with a looper, but let me put it this way: for creating weird sonic textures, the Repeater might not be the best thing you could get. If in your synth-only setup, polyphonic loops can be covered by the pattern sequencers of your other devices, a Repeater with its great feature of realtime pitch-shift/time compression and of four separate tracks is of little use. I do not have a EDP myself, so my scope on its functions vs a Repeater is somewhat limited to what I heard from other people; I do however know that I do lots of stuff with the Repeater which are impossible both with a Line6 EchoPro and an EDP - mainly for the fourtrack stuff, which I do use all the time, and which involves recording effected synth parts and syncing them to a running pattern sequencer (not the other way round, though, for reasons amply covered onlist in recent times). If I would be faced with the decision to either get an EDP or a Repeater for use in a synth-only setup with lots of pattern sequencers which allow for great realtime work, I'd most probably opt for the EDP. And I still make heavy use of my DL4, though not as a looper, but for its delay effects (although I started to replicate some of its effects using a FireworX). I use the Repeater mostly for "acoustic" instruments, so I do not really know if my heavy use of it would apply to your use - most of my synth basses are actually Vbasses, looped with a repeater. I couldn't do most of the music I play today without a Repeater - on the other hand, I did great stuff back when my only loopers were a DL4 and a Headrush... Why have both (or three of them): The Repeater can do things the Echoplex can't do, and even four Echoplexes can't do. The EDP can do things the Repeater can't do. The DL4 (or EchoPro) can't to anything the EDP or Repeater can't do loopwise, and it can't do a lot of things which are regarded a must for a "serious" looper (like MIDI-syncing, variable feedback,...) - but it is a great tool for its delay models, and the looper is a nice addition to the repertoire Rainer (sorry for being not much of a help) Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > -----Original Message----- > From: Catilyne [mailto:catilyne@icicle.net] > Sent: Sonntag, 25. August 2002 23:21 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Repeater spotted for sale > > > At 10:02 AM 8/25/2002 -0700, Mark Hamburg wrote: > >Sylvan Music in Santa Cruz. > > > >They want $629, however, which puts it within spitting > distance of yet > >another Echoplex and is now twice the price of a Line6 Echo Pro. > > > >People keep saying that one should have both. Why? > > Yep, I'm in a similar circumstance. I've got a line on a > Repeater but I'm > really torn as to whether to follow through on it. (I'd > *really* like to > thank Mark Sottilaro for his insightful comments, by the way.) > > I don't consider myself a looper in the strictest sense of > the word. I'm > trying to put together a setup (all synthesizers, no acoustic > instruments) > that will allow me to put Frippertronics-type space ambience > over the top > of techno breakbeats. For that reason, I was originally > thinking about > getting an Echo Pro, then possibly moving up to an EDP later > if I really > got into looping. > > But now I'm faced with the dilemma regarding the Repeater of > "get it now or > forever hold your peace". <*sigh*> > > So, for those of you with Repeaters doing electronica, I'd > just like to > ask: Is it really 'all that', or am I just getting caught up > with gearlust > and engaging in overkill...? > > TIA!!! > > -c- > > _____ > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > -recoil > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 18:21:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22558; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 18:20:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 18:20:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Can't get cheap good MIDI pedals Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:21:45 +0200 Message-ID: <000101c24c85$cfd55060$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825162639.02a77df0@icicle.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <8zDzHD.A.HfF.KgVa9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com at the risk of being politically incorrect on this list, I'd like to throw in Behringer, who built (and still build) a great compressor at a price where other builders of great compressor might sell you a replacement power supply...and who build nice cheap consoles of which people always tell me their mic preamps sound crappy (perhaps I just suffer from bad hearing) and they steal the ideas of other manufacturers (which is true), and who have a lot of other nice goodies in their product line (think FCB1010, Ultra-Q, DSP2024, Vamp)... Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > -----Original Message----- > From: Catilyne [mailto:catilyne@icicle.net] > Sent: Sonntag, 25. August 2002 23:44 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Can't get cheap good MIDI pedals > > > At 04:12 PM 8/25/2002 -0500, JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net wrote: > > >i think cheap and good are mutually exclusive terms. > > Not necessarily; occasionally you'll find a company which > comes along and > manufactures ground-breaking technology at a drastically > reduced price. > > In particular, I'm thinking of Casio who, with their > inexpensive CZ (& > later VZ) series synths, brought FM synthesis to the masses. > And let's not > overlook Alesis. They took Akai's $40,000 ADAM digital > recorder, then > redesigned and brought it out as the ADAT for a tenth of the price. > > But of course, in many other cases, you do happen to get what > you pay for.... > > -c- > > _____ > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > -recoil > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 18:33:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23772; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 18:31:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 18:31:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: EZbus Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 17:31:06 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c24c87$1a59bda0$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use an EzBus and have found it to be an incredibly useful piece of equipment. It takes a little getting used to the idea that you really can route anything to anywhere, with both digital and analog inputs & outputs. In some ways its kind of like the switchblade, but where the switchblade is only a single rack space, the Ezbus has form like a Mackie 1402 mixer (maybe a little wider). The thing that the Ezbus has that the switchblade doesn't is the ability to route both analog signals and digital signals (via ADAT optical, SPIDF or USB). In fact it seems that more and more of the newer devices like the Eventide Eclipse, Repeater, Akai Z8 sampler, etc. are coming out with digital connections, and the Ezbus helps to integrate those devices in with all the legacy equipment that only support analog. The Ezbus also can do some of the things that people use control surfaces for with a bank of continuous controller sliders & buttons for controlling things. All of the analog inputs & outputs are balanced and the mixer has 2 phantom powered mic pres with XLR connectors. Finally, where I think it will work nicely in a looping and effects routing rig, you can create a specific routing configuration and save it as a preset and then recall up to 32 different routing presets using a midi command. Finally, if you ever plan on integrating a laptop for use in your live rig with softsynths, the Ezbus can handle both the midi transmission and audio return via its USB connection. The only gripe I have about the Ezbus is the fact that it doesn't have rack ears or any way of being bolted into a rack or mixer top. I guess you could use a slide out tray of some sort. I am looking to find a tray that I can place in a mixer top rack that I can somehow attach the Ezbus to, to help make setup and tear down at gigs quicker. Regards, Steve > > I just saw this link: > http://www.event1.com/ezbus/mixezbus.htm > > > Does anyone use this either for mixing their loops or as an USB audio > interface? > > Thanks > LOU > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 18:39:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24246; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 18:38:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 18:38:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 15:37:24 -0700 Subject: Pattern Sequencers (was Re: Repeater spotted for sale) From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000001c24c85$318423a0$0601a8c0@SATAN> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any advice on realtime pattern sequencers? I've been having fun lately with the as played option on my Microwave's arpeggiator but there are defintely some awkward aspects to it. Mark on 8/25/02 3:17 PM, Rainer Straschill at rs@moinlabs.de wrote: > which involves recording effected synth parts and syncing them to > a running pattern sequencer (not the other way round, though, for reasons > amply covered onlist in recent times). If I would be faced with the decision > to either get an EDP or a Repeater for use in a synth-only setup with lots > of pattern sequencers which allow for great realtime work, I'd most probably > opt for the EDP. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 19:16:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27958; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 19:15:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 19:15:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.156.106.28] From: "Jonathan Yandel" To: Subject: Re: fripp looper o o loop Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 18:13:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.02.0005.2201 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C24C63.20641B60" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2002 23:14:16.0738 (UTC) FILETIME=[222EB020:01C24C8D] Resent-Message-ID: <5t-lG.A.ZzG.nTWa9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C24C63.20641B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jesus! What I wouldn't give to play with that rack! The possibilities w= ould be staggering... best, jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Zvonar Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 11:45 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fripp looper o o loop At 12:16 PM -0500 8/25/02, JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net wrote: > >so what is fripp using for "looping" now ? > >last i heard, he had a quartet of 2290's and an eventide. Two Eventides and some other devices in the photo of his rack at http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/cat/soundsc.shtml -- =20 ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.comGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer downloa= d : http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C24C63.20641B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jesus!  W= hat I wouldn't give to play with that rack!  The possibilities would= be staggering...
best,
jonathan
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 At 12:16 PM -0500 8/25/02, JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net wrote:
> = >so what is fripp using for "looping" now ?
>
>last i hea= rd, he had a quartet of 2290's and an eventide.

Two Eventides and = some other devices in the photo of his rack at

http://www.discipli= neglobalmobile.com/cat/soundsc.shtml
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------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C24C63.20641B60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 19:30:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29050; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 19:28:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 19:28:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.156.106.28] From: "Jonathan Yandel" To: Subject: Re: Santana no longer influential?!?! HORSE CHIPS!!!!!! Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 18:27:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.02.0005.2201 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0001_01C24C65.0F962060" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2002 23:27:21.0608 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6005880:01C24C8E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C24C65.0F962060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Maybe Carlos Santana >(or Jerry Garcia, or Frank Zappa or any of a >number of other musicians) don't have the same >kind of mass influence they had 25-30 years ago, >but don't tell me they didn't influence anyone >during the last 20 years!!! I can tell you're >flat out wrong, even if I'm the only guitarist >under the age of 30 to be influenced by these >guys, you're still wrong! =20 No one said that Santana didn't influence anyone, or that he was in any w= ay musically inferior to . I'm sure most profes= sional guitarists have been hugely influenced by him, but the fact remain= s that the music business--and instrument dealers, guitar mags, and so on= --aren't always primarily geared towards professionals. They're geared t= oward rich suburban kids and weekend musicians who make alot (or their pa= rents do) more money than your average jobbing musician does. Not that I= have anything against those two groups, mind you. It's just that if you= walk into a Guitar Center, you'll see what I mean... Best, jonathanGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explo= rer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C24C65.0F962060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>Maybe Carlos= Santana
>(or Jerry Garcia, or Frank Zappa or any of a
>numbe= r of other musicians) don't have the same
>kind of mass influence t= hey had 25-30 years ago,
>but don't tell me they didn't influence a= nyone
>during the last 20 years!!! I can tell you're
>flat ou= t wrong, even if I'm the only guitarist
>under the age of 30 to be = influenced by these
>guys, you're still wrong!

No one said = that Santana didn't influence anyone, or that he was in any way musically= inferior to <insert latest band here>.  I'm sure most profess= ional guitarists have been hugely influenced by him, but the fact remains= that the music business--and instrument dealers, guitar mags, and so on-= -aren't always primarily geared towards professionals.  They're gear= ed toward rich suburban kids and weekend musicians who make alot (or thei= r parents do) more money than your average jobbing musician does.  N= ot that I have anything against those two groups, mind you.  It's ju= st that if you walk into a Guitar Center, you'll see what I mean...

<= P>Best,

jonathan

 


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------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C24C65.0F962060-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 19:33:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29551; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 19:32:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 19:32:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.156.106.28] From: "Jonathan Yandel" To: Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 18:31:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.02.0005.2201 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0002_01C24C65.918F7120" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2002 23:30:59.0216 (UTC) FILETIME=[77B4B100:01C24C8F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C24C65.918F7120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >I think the key is that he "did" expose them. as in Past Tense. That was= =20 >decades ago. Everybody who was going to be influenced by that already wa= s. =20 >New people today are not getting interested in looping because of Fripp = or Eno. Good point. I only know of a few musicians in my area that even know who= they are at all, much less what looping is. =20 Best, jonathanGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explo= rer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C24C65.918F7120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>I think the = key is that he "did" expose them. as in Past Tense. That was
>deca= des ago. Everybody who was going to be influenced by that already was. >New people today are not getting interested in looping because of F= ripp or Eno.

Good point.  I only know of a few musicians in m= y area that even know who they are at all, much less what looping is.&nbs= p;

 

Best,

jonathan

 


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<= /p> ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C24C65.918F7120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 19:35:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29850; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 19:34:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 19:34:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.156.106.28] From: "Jonathan Yandel" To: Subject: Re: fripp looper o o loop Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 18:33:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.02.0005.2201 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0003_01C24C65.E0E977C0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2002 23:33:12.0180 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6F56340:01C24C8F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C24C65.E0E977C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know this sounds stupid, but could anyone tell me what the Switchblade = actually does? I've heard a lot about it, but haven't a clue what it doe= s... Sorry, jonathanGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explo= rer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C24C65.E0E977C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I know this soun= ds stupid, but could anyone tell me what the Switchblade actually does?&n= bsp; I've heard a lot about it, but haven't a clue what it does...

Sorry,

jonathan

 


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------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C24C65.E0E977C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 19:48:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30926; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 19:47:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 19:47:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: Echo Pro Question Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:46:35 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c24c91$a5b6ba60$6401a8c0@om> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C24C56.F957E260" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <4Yk-1B.A.EfH.KxWa9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C24C56.F957E260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone at all on this list own an Eco Pro that does not warble when synced to midi clock? Cliff www.om-studios.com ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C24C56.F957E260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Does anyone at all on this list own an Eco Pro that = does not warble when synced to midi clock?

Cliff

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C24C56.F957E260-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 21:23:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06404; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 21:20:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 21:20:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020826011930.70150.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 18:19:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Do you even know the definition of the word influential?! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200208252316.TAA28119@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> Again, I have to argue your point. First of all, I first heard of Fripp and Eno (and the various musical projects they've been involved in over the years) back around 84 or so. I read about Adrian Belew in the January 84 issue of Guitar Player. I had heard of King Crimson prior to this (largely because I knew that Greg Lake and John Wetton both had been in the group...at the time, I knew of Lake and Wetton primarily via their connection with Asia) but really didn't know their music. I saw the Sleepless video and a King Crimson concert on MTV, and was immediately taken by the band. Subsequently, I read about Frippertronics in various music magazines. The idea of looping immediately grabbed my attention. It wasn't long after this that I acquired Fripp's Let The Power Fall (I wish I still had it, I don't think I've ever seen it on CD) and Under Heavy Manners/God Save The Queen. I also have several of the Soundscapes performances. Point being: not everyone who is influenced by Fripp heard his music "decades ago", and in fact, most of the really big influence he has on my playing really only during the 90's, when I got some of the live Crimson recordings from the 71-74 era lineups. It was then that I first heard the classic Fripp "laser beam" fuzztone lead sound that really had a big impact on me. Also, you seem to insinuate that young people don't listen to progressive rock or "classic" rock performers. This simply isn't true. While it's admittedly not as popular with the younger crowd as it was in 1973, I still see plenty of young people at prog concerts I've attended over the last few years. This summer, at NEARfest (that's the North East Art Rock Festival, held in Trenton, NJ back in June), I met a family who had a young girl who was about 8 or so. I was curious to know if she was "dragged" to the show by her parents or if she was genuinely into this kind of music. Turns out it was the latter, and that in fact, when she heard that Hackett was going to be at NEARfest, it was SHE who wanted to go. And I see lots of teenagers at various shows. So, I'm sure there's still 18 year old guitarists, drummers and whatever who are hearing records like No Pussyfooting, or Fripp's Soundscapes records or whatever, and having their ideas of what can be done with music be re-arranged. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 21:23:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06313; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 21:19:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 21:19:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 18:17:58 -0700 Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200208252316.TAA28117@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, and the below came out wrong--I meant to say that starting about 18 months ago, it seemed that EVERY issue of Guitar Player had someone who mentioned how they were using a real-time looper. >> On the other hand, there's a John Scofield article in the same issue that >> shows his pedalboard which features a Boomerang and a Loop Station, and he >> discusses how groovy the Boomerang is. About 18 months ago it seemed that >> every issue of Guitar Player had at least one article with some guitarist >> going on about looping in their playing, it just doesn't get headlines. > > That's not huge, but it's not bad either. If he's really taking a new > direction with his music, and it really is based on looping, and people > really like it, some of his fans will dig on that and get interested. *** > > I remember when I initially got into this, I was really surprised at how > many acoustic finger-style guitarists were into using electronic loops in > their playing. It didn't make any sense to me at all until I discovered > that Phil Keaggy was really into looping and had based a lot of his songs > on it. It wasn't just a novelty, it was an integral part of what he did and > he's pretty popular. Fans of Phil Keaggy wanted to play music like he did, > which meant they had to get JamMans like he used. Chet Atkins also. He won > a Grammy for his song Jam Man, which was based around looping with the > JamMan obviously. But mainly it was good music that a lot of people liked, > made by Chet Atkins, who happened to use looping to create it. So people > tried looping to be like those guys. Joseph Arthur also does a lot of acoustic guitar looping live, but it's all integrated into his songs. I surprised myself recently by starting to do a lot of this, using the DL-4, since I didn't want to haul a rack around for the "acoustic" gigs (I know, I know--it's silly, but it comes down to how much time I need to set up versus how much I need the extended features of my Echoplex, which is not at all), after years of ambient/DJ related looping. This is in a one-guitar, one singer context, so as long as she and I sync, we're fine. I don't have much hope of being able to pull it off with additional musicians, based on past experience. But, it's sort of invisible to the audience unless you mention it, they just think "Gosh, he sure is playing a lot of notes..." The DL-4 got the nod over the Boomerang because it fit on my pedalboard. TH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 21:24:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07307; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 21:24:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 21:24:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 18:22:53 -0700 Subject: Re: Can't get cheap good MIDI pedals From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200208252028.QAA11245@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >is the all access discontinued? i've heard yes, but >so many online retailers say that they're just really >backed up production-wise. rocktron still gives good >tech support for the all access. It's still on their website. Most dealers don't carry them because there's very little demand these days for MIDI controllers, let alone expensive ones with a more extensive MIDI implementation. They've turned into sort of a special order item. TH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 21:25:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07596; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 21:25:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 21:25:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020825181137.00b5c640@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 18:22:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: Pattern Sequencers (was Re: Repeater spotted for sale) In-Reply-To: References: <000001c24c85$318423a0$0601a8c0@SATAN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like the Technosaurus Cyclodon as a simple step sequencer for generating CV Their slogan is cool, too - "Stay in tune with the groovy loops.": http://www.technosaurus.ch/cyclodon.htm I'm guessing that you want something that puts out MIDI, however. Check out Doepfer; they have a couple of options that look really friendly: http://www.doepfer.de/home_e.htm -Hans At 15:37 25/08/2002, you wrote: >Any advice on realtime pattern sequencers? I've been having fun lately with >the as played option on my Microwave's arpeggiator but there are defintely >some awkward aspects to it. > >Mark > >on 8/25/02 3:17 PM, Rainer Straschill at rs@moinlabs.de wrote: > > > which involves recording effected synth parts and syncing them to > > a running pattern sequencer (not the other way round, though, for reasons > > amply covered onlist in recent times). If I would be faced with the > decision > > to either get an EDP or a Repeater for use in a synth-only setup with lots > > of pattern sequencers which allow for great realtime work, I'd most > probably > > opt for the EDP. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 22:38:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13367; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:38:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:38:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825192501.038e3f00@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 19:39:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020822193546.02191d60@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:53 PM 8/23/2002, Mark Hamburg wrote: >I found Kim's comments interestingly reminiscent of some papers on >technology adoption I just read. > >http://www.dreamsongs.com/NewFiles/AcceptanceModels.pdf >http://www.dreamsongs.com/NewFiles/Innovation.pdf > >These papers focus primarily on the software industry but they have some >broader implications. Thanks for posting those Mark, that was very interesting to read. Very similar to what I was thinking as far as how new instruments become popular instruments and the time it requires. Also interesting in illustrating how some development of loop instruments probably hasn't been done in the best way from a market acceptance perspective. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 22:44:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13982; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:43:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:43:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 19:41:33 -0700 Subject: Let the Power Fall (was Re: Do you even know the definition of the word influential?!) From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020826011930.70150.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/25/02 6:19 PM, Chris Richards at kohntarkosz@yahoo.com wrote: > I acquired Fripp's > Let The Power Fall (I wish I still had it, I > don't think I've ever seen it on CD) Amazon says "usually ships in 4 or 5 days". Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 23:47:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19328; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:47:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:47:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825194211.038c2d80@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 20:47:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Nu Metal vs. Steve Vai vs. Santana In-Reply-To: <010c01c24b27$fd31c3e0$6262f93f@global> References: <200208232230.SAA08096@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, I had no idea Santana fans were so sensitive. if Santana as a cultural event were so influential, I should be able to look out in the world today and see the result of that influence. There should be little Santana clones crawling all over the charts. In case you haven't checked lately, they are not there. http://www.billboard.com/billboard/charts/bb200.jsp http://www.billboard.com/billboard/charts/hot100.jsp http://www.billboard.com/billboard/charts/randb.jsp http://www.billboard.com/billboard/charts/airplay/modern.jsp http://www.billboard.com/billboard/charts/electronic.jsp http://www.billboard.com/billboard/charts/indie_albums.jsp http://www.billboard.com/billboard/charts/airplay/adult.jsp I'm not saying Santana is bad or that he wasn't influential a long time ago. But "influential" means large numbers of other people are following the lead in the present. Today, right now in the present, I don't see those followers there. The popular music world is not listening to that style. Nor are they listening to prog-rock. They are listening to a parade of female R&B singers, another parade of rappers, heavy yet song-oriented Nu-Metal, another parade of female pop-rock singers, arena rock pearl jam copies like Creed, a bit of aggro country like Toby Keith, and of course, Eminem who is everywhere. I'm sorry if the world doesn't share your tastes in music. In my opinion that Santana album from three years ago was a fluke based on what is popular otherwise both then and now. As someone else pointed out, it was a slick move by Arista, pairing Santana up with every other big name on their hip-hop and alt-rock roster. The fans of all those other stars bought the record too, and Santana got a nice ride. Good for him. But the closest thing I've seen to a guitar soloist in popular music since then is the White Stripes, and they obviously aren't influenced by Santana. Tacking looping onto older artists who's star has set and are no longer relevant is not going to get the concept a new level of acceptance in the world. I'm sorry that troubles you. kim At 09:37 PM 8/23/2002, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: >Our esteemed leader, Kim wrote: > >"well duh. Santana is great, but he's old news. Everybody who was going to >be influenced by Santana already got influenced 25 years ago. The "nu metal >jerk" probably reaches far more people today than Santana has in years." > > >I agree with your take on Vai, Steve, but I think you are dead wrong about >Santana. > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 25 23:58:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20406; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:58:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:58:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825204823.037e1008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 20:58:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Do you even know the definition of the word influential?! In-Reply-To: <20020826011930.70150.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200208252316.TAA28119@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Chris! I'm amazed at how perfectly you just proved my point while trying to argue against it. In case you haven't noticed, the 80's really did end. 1982 really was decades ago. The rest of the world has moved on. Sorry about that. My childhood heroes are old and dusty and unpopular now too. kim At 06:19 PM 8/25/2002, Chris Richards wrote: ><as in Past Tense. That was decades ago. Everybody >who was going to be influenced by that already >was. New people today are not getting interested >in looping because of Fripp or Eno.>> > >Again, I have to argue your point. First of all, >I first heard of Fripp and Eno (and the various >musical projects they've been involved in over >the years) back around 84 or so. I read about >Adrian Belew in the January 84 issue of Guitar >Player. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 00:01:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22191; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:01:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:01:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Thee Aace" To: Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 21:05:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020825181137.00b5c640@pop.charter.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: armatronix [mailto:armatronix@charter.net] Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 6:22 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pattern Sequencers (was Re: Repeater spotted for sale) I like the Technosaurus Cyclodon as a simple step sequencer for generating CV Their slogan is cool, too - "Stay in tune with the groovy loops.": http://www.technosaurus.ch/cyclodon.htm I'm guessing that you want something that puts out MIDI, however. Check out Doepfer; they have a couple of options that look really friendly: http://www.doepfer.de/home_e.htm -Hans At 15:37 25/08/2002, you wrote: >Any advice on realtime pattern sequencers? I've been having fun lately with >the as played option on my Microwave's arpeggiator but there are defintely >some awkward aspects to it. > >Mark > >on 8/25/02 3:17 PM, Rainer Straschill at rs@moinlabs.de wrote: > > > which involves recording effected synth parts and syncing them to > > a running pattern sequencer (not the other way round, though, for reasons > > amply covered onlist in recent times). If I would be faced with the > decision > > to either get an EDP or a Repeater for use in a synth-only setup with lots > > of pattern sequencers which allow for great realtime work, I'd most > probably > > opt for the EDP. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 00:02:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22028; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:00:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:00:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Thee Aace" To: Subject: REMOVE Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 21:05:48 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020825181137.00b5c640@pop.charter.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: armatronix [mailto:armatronix@charter.net] Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 6:22 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pattern Sequencers (was Re: Repeater spotted for sale) I like the Technosaurus Cyclodon as a simple step sequencer for generating CV Their slogan is cool, too - "Stay in tune with the groovy loops.": http://www.technosaurus.ch/cyclodon.htm I'm guessing that you want something that puts out MIDI, however. Check out Doepfer; they have a couple of options that look really friendly: http://www.doepfer.de/home_e.htm -Hans At 15:37 25/08/2002, you wrote: >Any advice on realtime pattern sequencers? I've been having fun lately with >the as played option on my Microwave's arpeggiator but there are defintely >some awkward aspects to it. > >Mark > >on 8/25/02 3:17 PM, Rainer Straschill at rs@moinlabs.de wrote: > > > which involves recording effected synth parts and syncing them to > > a running pattern sequencer (not the other way round, though, for reasons > > amply covered onlist in recent times). If I would be faced with the > decision > > to either get an EDP or a Repeater for use in a synth-only setup with lots > > of pattern sequencers which allow for great realtime work, I'd most > probably > > opt for the EDP. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 00:04:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22684; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:04:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:04:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c201c24cb5$399a4bc0$1064f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200208251602.MAA17256@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: CHECKING IN Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 21:01:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Fellow Loopers all over the world, I would like to propose a new thread for this list called CHECKING IN. What I would like to propose is that everybody on this list who wishes that they could participate in a looping performance or festival in their region (or other region---see below) send in a brief e-mail to this list stating that desire. For the sake of brevity of collation, would you please but this title in the subject line: "CHECKING IN (region or country you live in stated in these parentheses)" then, in the body of the message, state these specific things and number them accordingly for the sake of ease of collation as well: 1)where you live 2)where you would like to perform (a city or a region) 3) whether you have the desire to perform in any other region (many people who played the Y2K2 LOOPFEST in Santa Cruz, California made the festival an excuse to take a vacation. Some even flew in from elsewhere to do so. and finally, 4) would you be willing to host a fellow looper or loopers at a local venue (by producing the event yourself) if they came in from out of town to play a show with you----- the mini-looping festival approach. Keep in mind that such a performance could just as easily be a free performance somewhere as a paid gig. Most of our festivals in Northern California have been free to the public for the sake of educating audiences and increasingpopularity. 5) would you be willing to put a performer up at your home during the length of their stay (not to exceed 3 months........no, just joking) I will be happy to collate this information after everyone has e-mailed in and then we can see where we stand. For touring purposes, I , myself would like to know where everybody is and who wants to be involved just in case I am able to come to your region. I'm sure there are many on this list who feel the same way. Come on adventuresome Looping enthusiasts Let's hear where you are. yours, respectfully, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 00:05:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22709; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:04:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:04:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020826040348.7252.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 21:03:48 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Pattern Sequencers (was Re: Repeater spotted for sale) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Hamburg wrote: > Any advice on realtime pattern sequencers? Has anyone tried the one from Frostwave? http://www.frostwave.com/fatcontroller/ It appears that it can send both cv & midi. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 00:22:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24024; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:21:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:21:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00fc01c24cb7$9718b460$1064f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200208251811.OAA29149@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Why the Repeater? Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 21:18:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Hamburg wrote: "People keep saying that one should have both . Why?" Not that I'm one to talk (because I'm having horrible problems with my midi implementation using both a set of behringer midi footpedals and a Yamaha WX-5 wind controller simultaneously to control my Repeater in concert), but for all the people who want to do the 'one person band concept' the Repeater is the best tool that does this well, in my opinion (flame me not, EDP owners..........giggle) with four separate panable mono channels,the ability to pan them independently and excellent fidelity this machine can be a multi-instrumentalist's dream. comparing the EDP and the Repeater is kind of like comparing a pedal steel guitar and a state of the art acoustic guitar. They both have incredible similarities but are fundamentally different instruments designed for different things. As an effect, the ability to time stretch loops and retune them without changing their length is extraordinarily cool. As great as the EDP is (and I"m personally in awe of it's capabilities as extremely little as I know about them) I think that the Repeater is probably better suited for the more conventional multi-instrumentalist 'band in a box' type musician. A great artist like Andre LaFosse and Matthias Grob just couldn't do what they do with a Repeater but it is still an incredible leap forward from the DL-4/Loopstation/Boomerang/Jamman paradigm. Try it............hopefully, you'll like it. Now, the trouble is finding one. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 00:27:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24426; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:26:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:26:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825205911.0369baa0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 21:27:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Santana no longer influential?!?! HORSE CHIPS!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <20020825202701.76545.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200208232230.SAA08096@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:27 PM 8/25/2002, Chris Richards wrote: >Maybe Carlos Santana >(or Jerry Garcia, or Frank Zappa or any of a >number of other musicians) don't have the same >kind of mass influence they had 25-30 years ago, >but don't tell me they didn't influence anyone >during the last 20 years!!! I can tell you're >flat out wrong, even if I'm the only guitarist >under the age of 30 to be influenced by these >guys, you're still wrong! another gem. if you're the only guitarist under 30 influenced by them, wouldn't that make me exactly right? You already were influenced by this stuff, 20 years ago as you note. That event is completed. Done. Over. Last Century. Today, people are not listening to it anymore. Nobody new is being inspired to go become a musician by that stuff. In fact, I'm only a few years older than you, and I don't remember anybody being interested in that stuff in the 80's or 90's either. It was more like Run DMC vs Metallica vs Depeche Mode in my 80's world. If we are interested in how looping can grow beyond a weird little niche, it has to become a part of popular music culture today. Not fossilized artifacts from 20 or 30 years ago. That means there must be good music that a lot of people like listening to in the present, and which happens to be based on looping. Good, popular music will inspire people. Bad or strange music will not. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 00:42:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25142; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:42:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:42:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825215848.00af4fb0@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:38:25 -0500 To: From: Catilyne Subject: RE: Repeater spotted for sale In-Reply-To: <000001c24c85$318423a0$0601a8c0@SATAN> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825155013.02a55e28@icicle.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the note back, Rainer, although I'd politely disagree with your assertion that it's "not much of a help". ;) In fact, I believe that in many instances I'd use the Repeater just as you are. But since I was a little vague in my previous description, let me go into a bit more detail. I figured out a long time ago that I seem to base almost everything I do off some sort of ostinato, some set of repeating patterns. The interest for me comes in the interaction between the different parts, and in their evolution/de-evolution in relation to each other. Now I'm also a synth junkie -- can't help it, I've always loved 'em. And this whole episode started when I decided to pare down my system to just a laptop setup. Since there were a few hardware modules I really didn't want to do without, I decided to supplement with a small portable rack (which, if I add the Repeater, is now up to a 12-space -- small and portable my @$#!). :P With the new system, I can do just about anything I need to do as far as sequences and their manipulations. I've got enough gear to handle that in realtime. But, as I'm sure you'll agree, locking into a sequencer tends to turn a performance into an artifact rather than an experience. If I wanted, I could probably set everything up onstage, press play, and go home for the evening. That's not what I'm looking for. I've still got some constraints I've put upon myself. I've got to establish an underlying beat/pulse, for instance, but over the top of that I'm looking for something a bit more organic. As I was looking for a method to get around this dilemma, I began remembering the recordings of those early tape loop experiments from people such as Eno & Fripp and Steve Reich, amongst others. It wasn't just the juxtaposition of the different parts that was interesting, but also the way in which the older parts gradually degraded as new ones were put down over the top of them. That was one of the things that originally attracted me to the Echo Pro, with its models of the old tape and platter looping devices. So, getting back to the Repeater, if it were nothing more than a realtime digital 4-track, then you're correct -- it wouldn't be of much use to me in this setup. But, reading through some of your other comments (as well as once again going through Mark Sottilaro's review on the website) leads me to believe that there are indeed some rather interesting ways to not only layer, but also to "decompose" your loops. Would I be correct in saying that? My original inclination was to see if I could simply "cheap out" and get the Echo Pro to accomplish some of the things I needed it to. But I'm beginning to think that the Repeater may actually be a bit more viable option for going about this. For instance, I've got an old Korg Kaos pad that I hadn't planned on integrating into my rig, but the effects loop on the Repeater seems the perfect place for it. Also, I've got a few synths that I love dearly (Prophet VS, Kawaii K5k) that I will just not take out of the house for fear of something happening to them. Because the Repeater can save data in a nonvolatile format, I could record synth clusters as loops instead of sampling them into the computer, then play them back repitched via MIDI. Neat! I think I'm leaning toward springing the bucks for one of these, but I'm still open to arguments pro or con if you (or anybody else) has any more feedback. Thanks again for your thoughts, Rainer! -c- At 12:17 AM 8/26/2002 +0200, Rainer Straschill wrote: >Hi -c-, > >I don't know if I really do understand what you want/need to do with a >looper, but let me put it this way: for creating weird sonic textures, the >Repeater might not be the best thing you could get. If in your synth-only >setup, polyphonic loops can be covered by the pattern sequencers of your >other devices, a Repeater with its great feature of realtime >pitch-shift/time compression and of four separate tracks is of little use. I >do not have a EDP myself, so my scope on its functions vs a Repeater is >somewhat limited to what I heard from other people; I do however know that I >do lots of stuff with the Repeater which are impossible both with a Line6 >EchoPro and an EDP - mainly for the fourtrack stuff, which I do use all the >time, and which involves recording effected synth parts and syncing them to >a running pattern sequencer (not the other way round, though, for reasons >amply covered onlist in recent times). If I would be faced with the decision >to either get an EDP or a Repeater for use in a synth-only setup with lots >of pattern sequencers which allow for great realtime work, I'd most probably >opt for the EDP. And I still make heavy use of my DL4, though not as a >looper, but for its delay effects (although I started to replicate some of >its effects using a FireworX). > >I use the Repeater mostly for "acoustic" instruments, so I do not really >know if my heavy use of it would apply to your use - most of my synth basses >are actually Vbasses, looped with a repeater. I couldn't do most of the >music I play today without a Repeater - on the other hand, I did great stuff >back when my only loopers were a DL4 and a Headrush... > >Why have both (or three of them): The Repeater can do things the Echoplex >can't do, and even four Echoplexes can't do. The EDP can do things the >Repeater can't do. The DL4 (or EchoPro) can't to anything the EDP or >Repeater can't do loopwise, and it can't do a lot of things which are >regarded a must for a "serious" looper (like MIDI-syncing, variable >feedback,...) - but it is a great tool for its delay models, and the looper >is a nice addition to the repertoire > > Rainer > >(sorry for being not much of a help) > >Rainer Straschill >Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de >digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de >The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Catilyne [mailto:catilyne@icicle.net] > > Sent: Sonntag, 25. August 2002 23:21 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Repeater spotted for sale > > > > > > At 10:02 AM 8/25/2002 -0700, Mark Hamburg wrote: > > >Sylvan Music in Santa Cruz. > > > > > >They want $629, however, which puts it within spitting > > distance of yet > > >another Echoplex and is now twice the price of a Line6 Echo Pro. > > > > > >People keep saying that one should have both. Why? > > > > Yep, I'm in a similar circumstance. I've got a line on a > > Repeater but I'm > > really torn as to whether to follow through on it. (I'd > > *really* like to > > thank Mark Sottilaro for his insightful comments, by the way.) > > > > I don't consider myself a looper in the strictest sense of > > the word. I'm > > trying to put together a setup (all synthesizers, no acoustic > > instruments) > > that will allow me to put Frippertronics-type space ambience > > over the top > > of techno breakbeats. For that reason, I was originally > > thinking about > > getting an Echo Pro, then possibly moving up to an EDP later > > if I really > > got into looping. > > > > But now I'm faced with the dilemma regarding the Repeater of > > "get it now or > > forever hold your peace". <*sigh*> > > > > So, for those of you with Repeaters doing electronica, I'd > > just like to > > ask: Is it really 'all that', or am I just getting caught up > > with gearlust > > and engaging in overkill...? > > > > TIA!!! > > > > -c- > > > > _____ > > "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > > -recoil > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 01:00:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27094; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:00:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:00:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "omjn" To: Subject: RE: Santana no longer influential?!?! HORSE CHIPS!!!!!! Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:58:32 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825205911.0369baa0@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <7PYmn.A.xmG.dWba9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com damn. if I haven't been inspired for the last few years of my listening experiences, I feel somehow cheated and confused... and yes, that includes fripp and eno, and other such crusties, but also some intelligent and original material made by contemporary artists that incorporates loops on either a performance or production level. perhaps the MASS popularisation of looping music is great for selling looping tools, I don't know, but I don't see what it really has to offer the looping community. Personally, I find that the non-obviousness of some looping often means that "people" don't recognise loop based music even if it is in front of them - they just enjoy the sounds perhaps. loops are already an integral part of music production in so many ways that it seems strange, certainly coming from yourself Kim, to hear lamentation about the non-influential nature of loop based music creation. anyway, respect, and back to lurking for me... -omjn > Good, popular music will inspire people. Bad or strange > music will not. > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 01:17:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27935; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:17:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:17:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020825231748.009827b0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:17:48 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com *laughing* sex sells! lol! -when I was in an erotic funk/rock band, we certainly had no shortage of audiences! lol! my sheer costumes, body glitter, sexed up grooves, and a fake orgasm contest at the end! lollollol! It was a blast! guys would come up to me afterward to uh, -talk... lol! -I wasn't doing looping in that context, but if I were, it'd certainly be no problem to turn them on- lol! -sorry,- to it... lol! Smiles, CQ At 11:15 AM 8/25/02 -0700, you wrote: >Is this where it comes to? Do we need a looper spokes model!? > > >On Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 08:58 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > >> On a related note, I was paging through the new issue of Guitar Player >> today, and came across a Dean ad. It was typical Dean, a busty woman >> in a >> sheer blouse, cradling the guitar between her breasts, mouth half open >> as if >> she's thinking "Gosh...something sure would taste good right now..." >> and so >> on. This has been the Dean advertising model for some time, but I >> remember >> reading an interview with the company owner, Dean Zalinsky, where he >> said >> for the first few years, his ads were like everyone else's--famous >> guitarists with their bitchen' Deans (and these were guys who really >> did use >> the guitars). And sales were so-so. >> >> Then he took a cue from the rest of the business world and started using >> sexy woman in his ads, and things took off. "I sold more guitars with a >> girl in a bikini than I ever did with a rock star" is how I remember him >> putting it. >> >>> That's the whole point here. Big figures in pop culture are what moves >>> things. If we are interested in what will make looping more than an odd >>> niche, that's what it takes. A big shift in popular music culture that >>> somehow includes looping. Fringe artists and a few guys from decades >>> ago >>> don't do it. >> >> On the other hand, there's a John Scofield article in the same issue >> that >> shows his pedalboard which features a Boomerang and a Loop Station, and >> he >> discusses how groovy the Boomerang is. About 18 months ago it seemed >> that >> every issue of Guitar Player had at least one article with some >> guitarist >> going on about looping in their playing, it just doesn't get headlines. >> >> >> TH >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 01:27:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28577; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:26:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:26:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020826001831.02a25380@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:23:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: RE: EZbus In-Reply-To: <000001c24c87$1a59bda0$420e88cf@stevespc> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:31 PM 8/25/2002 -0500, M. Steven Ginn wrote: >The only gripe I have about the Ezbus is the fact that it >doesn't have rack ears or any way of being bolted into a rack or mixer >top. I guess you could use a slide out tray of some sort. I am looking >to find a tray that I can place in a mixer top rack that I can somehow >attach the Ezbus to, to help make setup and tear down at gigs quicker. Check out: http://www.skbcases.com/product/pro_audio/mixer/skb-2219p.html or if you happen to need that integrated into a small rack: http://www.skbindustrial.com/det.las?sku=1SKB19-1006v&subcat0=&subcat=Roto-Rack&subcat2=Case&-token=&-nothing Velcro is your friend.... ;) -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 01:27:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28591; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:27:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:27:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020825232733.00983c50@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:27:33 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Why I love the Repeater In-Reply-To: <3D692961.79B56A51@cloud9.net> References: <200208251813.OAA29256@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I've got a spare too, but it's still in the box. I was also thinking of doing the 8-track thing as well. Lemme' know if you get there first, K? -Actually, just had an idea. in the case that the midi clock is too flakey from one repeater to another, you could simply synch to a drum machine or whatever, and then use the midi through on the first repeater into the second. I'd think they should synch just fine. Smiles, CQ At 03:00 PM 8/25/02 -0400, you wrote: >You make me *so* glad I just bought a backup Repeater, Mark :) And if >I'm able to get them to sync well enough to have an 8-track looper, I'll >be sure to let y'all know!! Won't get a chance to try for a while >though, since I just loaned "looper jr" to a friend :) > >Elby > > >> Subject: Why I love the Repeater (was;Re: Repeater spotted for sale) >> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:07:56 -0700 >> From: Mark Sottilaro >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Jon Wagner and I had this talk yesterday. After an amazing EDP day, >> we >> still looked at each other and said, "God, the Repeater is amazing. >> What will happen if ours were to break!? THE HORROR!" >> >> So where do I start? First synching. >> >> While the Repeater's output clock is dubious, a lot of devices don't >> seem to have an issue with it, including the EDP. Both Jon Wagner and >> I >> have done this successfully. But that's not the Repeater's strong >> suit. >> It's how it synchs to other devices. With the EDP you can imagine >> your >> loops are made of fine spun glass fiber. You can splice more or take >> chunks away, but try to stretch it and BLAM. Totally rigid in this >> respect. Now the Repeater's loops are like Silly Putty. (Who here >> has >> not experienced the joy that is pressing Silly Putty on to the Sunday >> comix to make Snoopy look like an Robert Crumb nightmare?!) Slow >> down >> your sequence (within reason, but pretty far) or speed it up, and the >> Repeater behaves like an obedient puppy. It might take a few moments >> for it to catch up with you, but it will stay by your side. Your >> pitch? Stays the same. Artifacts? Some, but totally usable and >> damn >> good compared to a lot of other devices that try to do this in real >> time. I never realized how I took this for granted until I put the >> EDP >> in my rig. If I've got an EDP loop going, I'd better not touch that >> BPM >> slider on my Roland MC-307 unless I'm preparing to get weird with the >> tempo. I must admit, not having Loop4 does prevent me from going >> back >> to my original tempo and doing a realign command. This does open up >> possibilities for sure. >> >> So, what else? You can time stretch and compress and pitch shift in >> a >> very fluid way. The inverse of the above is the pitch thing. The >> EDPs >> half speed and double speed pales in comparison. Sorry kids. The >> Repeater will run rings around any other looping device in this >> arena. >> Name the interval and you're there. Play your loops with a MIDI >> keyboard. I think you get an octave up and two down. Your tempo? >> Right on. Oh LOOK AT ME! I'm now playing my loop backwards at 80% >> of >> it's original tempo up a fifth. WEEEEEEE! >> >> And who can forget STEREO. Sure, the Repeater and EDP now cost about >> the same but I don't care who you are, if you plan to record music it >> will be played back on a stereo system. The Repeater is STEREO. >> Sure >> you can post process your loops with a stereo effect, but trust me, >> it >> isn't the same. Also, I'm not just looping guitar, I've got 1028 >> juicy >> stereo sounds that come from my synth, as well as the output of the >> AirFX and AirSynth. To bump those down to mono would be a damn >> shame. >> Believe me, it's one of the main reasons I haven't really hit the EDP >> that hard since I got it. To me this is VERY important and I don't >> have >> the cash for another one. >> >> While were on it, forget stereo, the Repeater is a multitrack device >> that can deal with 4 tracks, how ever you'd like to deal with them. >> Two >> stereo pairs, one stereo pair and two mono, whatever. You can take >> each >> track and "slip" it in relationship with the others, while all the >> time >> still maintaining the tempo! Really useful. >> >> Stereo Effects loop. YUM. To do what I do with the Repeater, I'd >> not >> only need another EDP, but some signal routing device like a mixer >> with >> stereo aux sends or a Switchblade router. Switchblades START at >> $750! >> That means I've spent $2050! YIPE! If you don't care about an >> effects >> loop, you can route each track to it's own output for quad looping >> madness. >> >> The 16 meg it comes with is nothing. OK for my grandmom's looper. >> Get >> an $80 smartmedia card and you've now got 128 meg! 8 minute loop >> length >> limit! Longest out there of any hardware looper. The end. >> >> And you still get a lot of the functionality of the EDP with things >> like >> Loop multiply, different overdub modes, undo, ect. You don't get the >> yummy insert modes though. This ability to splice bits onto your >> loop >> is where the Repeater lacks. I never knew I needed these until >> yesterday though! I'm still not sure I can even use them much, as >> they'd screw up the MIDI synch that's so much a part of my deal. >> >> Last, but not least, for those DJs out there that need to take bits >> of >> what they're mixing and loop it, the Repeater's Beat Detect is really >> good. For fun, I'll put it in beat detect mode and just play into >> it, >> changing my tempo making the Repeater CRAZY trying to find me. Oh, >> it's >> get's weird quick. All the time, I can be in Record too. >> >> OK, I'm sure there's more, but I'm tired of typing. >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 01:30:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28463; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:24:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:24:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020825232411.00981b10@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:24:11 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist In-Reply-To: <159.1316b4bc.2a9a7b44@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com *laughing* ooh yeah,- -baby!- my Repeater really does it for me again and again and again... lollollol! You guys ROCK!!! -now that I think of it, this reminds me of something funny. whenever a friend or whomever, asks why I've stayed up late, -when I've been playing with, or recording with, a piece of gear, I usually say I was up with my new metallic lover!... lol! -just insert name of new piece of gear at a particular time! lol! Catch y'all laters... Very Warmly, CQ At 02:26 PM 8/25/02 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 8/25/2002 11:15:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > > > Do we need a looper spokes model!? > > > > > > MOre or less...yup > > Warmest Regards, > John Price/AKASH > "The World's Most Erotic Band" > http://www.akashmusic.com > http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic > "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 01:45:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29762; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:45:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:45:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020825234443.00986140@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:44:43 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Nu Metal vs. Steve Vai vs. Santana In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825125550.03939f98@loopers-delight.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Teaching guitar for a living, I completely agree. Very few students want to play like Vai. -but alot like Corn. Regarding the loop discussion, I think when the looping process itself becomes fashionable, it will sell more loopers. -But since alot of pop is focused on a front person, and a backing band, whatever the band does is usually not paid as much attention, which is compounded by the use of prerecorded tracks and sequences which isn't bad in my opinion, but if people then regard everything as just something created in the studio, and then played back, they certainly won't wonder about looping if it exists. It needs to be visible, understandable, and approachable. it's good for it to be intriguing, but the music has to grab people. have fire, make them move, and yes, be sexy! lol! -it has to arouse their emotions. --otherwise, why listen to it?... This applys to any music. it has to be human. -just my thoughts. Smiles, CQ At 01:13 PM 8/25/02 -0700, you wrote: >you guys are driving me insane. The Korn reference was not about Korn >becoming loopers. It was a comparison example about 7-string guitars. Korn >sells 7-string guitars a lot better than Steve Vai or George Van Eps, >because Korn is way more popular. > >At 12:11 AM 8/25/2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >>But which demographic would have the cash to blow on an EDP? My guess is >>that most of the younger crowd who listen to Korn aren't going to have a >>lot of extra cash to spend, (I didn't when I was 18, where as most of the >>people who were/are into Vai and Santana probably have given up on the >>pipe dream that is being a rock star and have jobs that would give them >>the extra dough to get an EDP (IE: ME) > >Well, somebody pays for all the Korn albums and t-shirts and concert >tickets and 7-string guitars. Most likely it's mom and dad. The Korn >demographic is bored middle and upper-middle class teenagers. Maybe it >wasn't true for you, but where I came from parents spent giant amounts of >money on their kid's hobbies and interests, some of which included music >and therefore music gear. That's why 12-25 year olds are one of the two >major demographics for musical instrument makers. > >Besides, if kids aren't interested in looping today, they won't be later >when they have their mid-life crisis. That's the other major demographic. >Older professionals who have plenty of cash, but suddenly feel they want to >reinvigorate their lives and relive their youth. Today that means re-living >times spent in garage bands playing baby-boomer rock, but now with $5000 >Les Pauls. > >no musical instrument maker targets poor musicians as customers. They never >buy anything. > >kim > > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 01:50:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30111; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:50:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:50:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020825235039.007be5c0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:50:39 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Oops- Korn -was- Re: Nu Metal vs. Steve Vai vs. Santana Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oops, subliminal perhaps... lol! Corn - Korn... lol!... Smiles, CQ Teaching guitar for a living, I completely agree. Very few students want to play like Vai. -but alot like Corn. Regarding the loop discussion, I think when the looping process itself becomes fashionable, it will sell more loopers. -But since alot of pop is focused on a front person, and a backing band, whatever the band does is usually not paid as much attention, which is compounded by the use of prerecorded tracks and sequences which isn't bad in my opinion, but if people then regard everything as just something created in the studio, and then played back, they certainly won't wonder about looping if it exists. It needs to be visible, understandable, and approachable. it's good for it to be intriguing, but the music has to grab people. have fire, make them move, and yes, be sexy! lol! -it has to arouse their emotions. --otherwise, why listen to it?... This applys to any music. it has to be human. -just my thoughts. Smiles, CQ At 01:13 PM 8/25/02 -0700, you wrote: >you guys are driving me insane. The Korn reference was not about Korn >becoming loopers. It was a comparison example about 7-string guitars. Korn >sells 7-string guitars a lot better than Steve Vai or George Van Eps, >because Korn is way more popular. > >At 12:11 AM 8/25/2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >>But which demographic would have the cash to blow on an EDP? My guess is >>that most of the younger crowd who listen to Korn aren't going to have a >>lot of extra cash to spend, (I didn't when I was 18, where as most of the >>people who were/are into Vai and Santana probably have given up on the >>pipe dream that is being a rock star and have jobs that would give them >>the extra dough to get an EDP (IE: ME) > >Well, somebody pays for all the Korn albums and t-shirts and concert >tickets and 7-string guitars. Most likely it's mom and dad. The Korn >demographic is bored middle and upper-middle class teenagers. Maybe it >wasn't true for you, but where I came from parents spent giant amounts of >money on their kid's hobbies and interests, some of which included music >and therefore music gear. That's why 12-25 year olds are one of the two >major demographics for musical instrument makers. > >Besides, if kids aren't interested in looping today, they won't be later >when they have their mid-life crisis. That's the other major demographic. >Older professionals who have plenty of cash, but suddenly feel they want to >reinvigorate their lives and relive their youth. Today that means re-living >times spent in garage bands playing baby-boomer rock, but now with $5000 >Les Pauls. > >no musical instrument maker targets poor musicians as customers. They never >buy anything. > >kim > > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 01:53:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30259; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:51:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:51:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006201c24c91$d53ae1d0$06f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: fripp looper o o loop Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:47:53 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005E_01C24C9A.36049620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C24C9A.36049620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable basically, it's a routing matrix. plug most of your gear into it and = configure your signal on the front panel (or the the pc editor) into = presets, of which you can have many and even inside of each preset, you = can have loads of control for fades, etc. =20 handy is an understatement. -jim ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C24C9A.36049620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
basically, it's a routing matrix.  plug = most of your=20 gear into it and configure your signal on the front panel (or the the pc = editor)=20 into presets, of which you can have many and even inside of each preset, = you can=20 have loads of control for fades, etc. 
 
handy is an understatement.
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C24C9A.36049620-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 02:09:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA32327; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 02:04:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 02:04:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020826000431.0084b230@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:04:31 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Repeater spotted for sale In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825155013.02a55e28@icicle.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As it happens, I'm incorporating techno into my looping and really love the repeater, since it's really easy to sample on the fly, and then save loops to work with later. The sound quality is superb as well. The time stretching and multiple tracks are proving to be a really useful tool as well. Of course, I'm also looking at an edp, or two, whose features I'm not real familiar with at the moment, as well. -but would still choose the Repeater for what I'm doing. -If I had to. -just my thoughts. -Best of luck... smiles, CQ At 04:20 PM 8/25/02 -0500, you wrote: >At 10:02 AM 8/25/2002 -0700, Mark Hamburg wrote: >>Sylvan Music in Santa Cruz. >> >>They want $629, however, which puts it within spitting distance of yet >>another Echoplex and is now twice the price of a Line6 Echo Pro. >> >>People keep saying that one should have both. Why? > >Yep, I'm in a similar circumstance. I've got a line on a Repeater but I'm >really torn as to whether to follow through on it. (I'd *really* like to >thank Mark Sottilaro for his insightful comments, by the way.) > >I don't consider myself a looper in the strictest sense of the word. I'm >trying to put together a setup (all synthesizers, no acoustic instruments) >that will allow me to put Frippertronics-type space ambience over the top >of techno breakbeats. For that reason, I was originally thinking about >getting an Echo Pro, then possibly moving up to an EDP later if I really >got into looping. > >But now I'm faced with the dilemma regarding the Repeater of "get it now or >forever hold your peace". <*sigh*> > >So, for those of you with Repeaters doing electronica, I'd just like to >ask: Is it really 'all that', or am I just getting caught up with gearlust >and engaging in overkill...? > >TIA!!! > > -c- > >_____ >"i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > -recoil > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 02:11:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA32667; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 02:10:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 02:10:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020826001025.00872100@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:10:25 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Pattern Sequencers (was Re: Repeater spotted for sale) In-Reply-To: References: <000001c24c85$318423a0$0601a8c0@SATAN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <2iWutC.A.98H._Xca9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com supposedly there's a very nice and extremely sought after realtime pattern sequencer called the Notron. It's designed to be played on the fly, without looking at it. Smiles, CQ At 03:37 PM 8/25/02 -0700, you wrote: >Any advice on realtime pattern sequencers? I've been having fun lately with >the as played option on my Microwave's arpeggiator but there are defintely >some awkward aspects to it. > >Mark > >on 8/25/02 3:17 PM, Rainer Straschill at rs@moinlabs.de wrote: > >> which involves recording effected synth parts and syncing them to >> a running pattern sequencer (not the other way round, though, for reasons >> amply covered onlist in recent times). If I would be faced with the decision >> to either get an EDP or a Repeater for use in a synth-only setup with lots >> of pattern sequencers which allow for great realtime work, I'd most probably >> opt for the EDP. > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 02:19:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA00562; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 02:19:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 02:19:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020826001829.00872c30@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:18:29 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: OT: Silliness -was- Re: Do you even know the definition of the word influential?! In-Reply-To: <20020826011930.70150.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200208252316.TAA28119@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You said, I saw the Sleepless video and a King >Crimson concert on MTV, and was immediately taken >by the band. *Gasp* Oh my God!, where did they take you?!!! -just had to... lol! Have a wonderful evening!... Smiles, CQ At 06:19 PM 8/25/02 -0700, you wrote: ><as in Past Tense. That was decades ago. Everybody >who was going to be influenced by that already >was. New people today are not getting interested >in looping because of Fripp or Eno.>> > >Again, I have to argue your point. First of all, >I first heard of Fripp and Eno (and the various >musical projects they've been involved in over >the years) back around 84 or so. I read about >Adrian Belew in the January 84 issue of Guitar >Player. I had heard of King Crimson prior to this >(largely because I knew that Greg Lake and John >Wetton both had been in the group...at the time, >I knew of Lake and Wetton primarily via their >connection with Asia) but really didn't know >their music. I saw the Sleepless video and a King >Crimson concert on MTV, and was immediately taken >by the band. Subsequently, I read about >Frippertronics in various music magazines. The >idea of looping immediately grabbed my attention. >It wasn't long after this that I acquired Fripp's >Let The Power Fall (I wish I still had it, I >don't think I've ever seen it on CD) and Under >Heavy Manners/God Save The Queen. I also have >several of the Soundscapes performances. Point >being: not everyone who is influenced by Fripp >heard his music "decades ago", and in fact, most >of the really big influence he has on my playing >really only during the 90's, when I got some of >the live Crimson recordings from the 71-74 era >lineups. It was then that I first heard the >classic Fripp "laser beam" fuzztone lead sound >that really had a big impact on me. > >Also, you seem to insinuate that young people >don't listen to progressive rock or "classic" >rock performers. This simply isn't true. While >it's admittedly not as popular with the younger >crowd as it was in 1973, I still see plenty of >young people at prog concerts I've attended over >the last few years. This summer, at NEARfest >(that's the North East Art Rock Festival, held in >Trenton, NJ back in June), I met a family who had >a young girl who was about 8 or so. I was curious >to know if she was "dragged" to the show by her >parents or if she was genuinely into this kind of >music. Turns out it was the latter, and that in >fact, when she heard that Hackett was going to be >at NEARfest, it was SHE who wanted to go. And I >see lots of teenagers at various shows. So, I'm >sure there's still 18 year old guitarists, >drummers and whatever who are hearing records >like No Pussyfooting, or Fripp's Soundscapes >records or whatever, and having their ideas of >what can be done with music be re-arranged. > >===== >May you never thirst! >The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris > >"What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes >http://finance.yahoo.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 03:24:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03867; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 03:20:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 03:20:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.170.192.25] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: CHECKING IN Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:18:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2002 07:18:10.0957 (UTC) FILETIME=[BBECEBD0:01C24CD0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah, more proof to Rick's awesomeness. Matt Davignon: >1)where you live Oakland, California >2)where you would like to perform (a city or a region) SF Bay area, California >3) whether you have the desire to perform in any other region Yup. (I need to plan it way in advance) >4)  would you be willing to host a fellow looper or loopers at a local >venue (by producing the event yourself) if they came in from out of town to >play a show with you-----  Yup. (Once again, it needs to be planned way in advance) >5)  would you be willing to put a performer up at your home during the >length of their stay Yup - for way less than three months though. >6) (Matt's suggestion) What would you play at such a festival? Either music from field recordings on tape or turntable/cd/tape. Probably the field recording thing. Matt ---------------------------------------- Rick Walker (Global@cruzio.com) said something along the lines of: I would like to propose a new thread for this list called CHECKING IN. What I would like to propose is that everybody on this list who wishes that they could participate in a looping performance or festival in their region (or other region---see below) send in a brief e-mail to this list stating that desire. For the sake of brevity of collation, would you please but this title in the subject line: "CHECKING IN (region or country you live in stated in these parentheses)" then, in the body of the message, state these specific things and number them accordingly for the sake of ease of collation as well: 1)where you live 2)where you would like to perform (a city or a region) 3) whether you have the desire to perform in any other region (many people who played the Y2K2 LOOPFEST in Santa Cruz, California made the festival an excuse to take a vacation.  Some even flew in from elsewhere to do so. and finally, 4)  would you be willing to host a fellow looper or loopers at a local venue (by producing the event yourself) if they came in from out of town to play a show with you-----   the mini-looping festival approach. Keep in mind that such a performance could just as easily be a free performance somewhere as a paid gig.  Most of our festivals in Northern California have been free to the public for the sake of educating audiences and increasingpopularity. 5)  would you be willing to put a performer up at your home during the length of their stay (not to exceed 3 months........no, just joking) I will be happy to collate this information after everyone has e-mailed in and then we can see where we stand. For touring purposes, I , myself would like to know where everybody is and who wants to be involved just in case I am able to come to your region. I'm sure there are many on this list who feel the same way. Come on adventuresome Looping enthusiasts Let's hear where you are. yours,  respectfully, Rick Walker (loop.pool) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 03:39:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04836; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 03:38:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 03:38:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:36:41 -0700 Subject: Re: Santana no longer influential?!?! HORSE CHIPS!!!!!! From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200208260545.BAA29813@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I dunno Kim--I'm just back from a bar where a bunch of kids in the early twenties were digging the shit out of Lynyrd Skynyrd and Steve Miller covers, singing along with every word in an un-ironic manner. Classic Rock is amazingly popular among Da Kidz in Seattle. When I first moved here a couple of years ago I was, amazed to hear the teenager behind the counter at the bagel shop get all excited and start singing along with some 70's-era Clapton. Which isn't to say that newer stuff isn't popular here, but there isn't a reflexive rejection of the music of their parents. And I've seen plenty of young guitarists who take inspiration from the Santana/Clapton/Allman/Vaughn school of playing. That said, I still don't think Santana really sells guitars. Everyone who cares about the "Carlos" tone knows that he uses Santana model PRS's, which cost two fortunes, and I can't say I've every seen someone other than Carlos use one on stage, or even in a magazine. Those are dentist guitars. The pornographic shots of curly maple tops is the bread-and-butter of the PRS advertising thrust. Plus, they are really good guitars. TH > > Nobody new is being inspired to go become a > musician by that stuff. In fact, I'm only a few years older than you, and I > don't remember anybody being interested in that stuff in the 80's or 90's > either. It was more like Run DMC vs Metallica vs Depeche Mode in my 80's > world. > > If we are interested in how looping can grow beyond a weird little niche, > it has to become a part of popular music culture today. Not fossilized > artifacts from 20 or 30 years ago. That means there must be good music that > a lot of people like listening to in the present, and which happens to be > based on looping. Good, popular music will inspire people. Bad or strange > music will not. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 03:46:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05600; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 03:45:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 03:45:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D69DB8F.DECF7498@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:41:03 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: When the list meets the real world Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com O people, It certainly is interesting to come back from a five-day, 1,000-mile Echoplex tour to read a few hundred messages about looping endorsements, lessons, in-depth feature comparisons, and technology popularization (with one's own name flying about many of those threads, none the less). Veddy interrestink. Huge thanks to everyone who came to a gig/clinic, bought a CD, hosted an event, and/or had me in for a private lesson. It's immensely appreciated, and extremely helpful - both in terms of moral support, as well as the sheer accomplishment of being able to pull a very reasonable profit from a few days of EDP evangelising. It's very rewarding to see the wheels start turning in people's heads as all of those functions and parameters start revealing themselves, and very gratifying to be able to cover some basic costs of living by doing so. My EDP has worked fine since the infamous "none more black" reset purgatory gig, so the most likely culprit there is sketchy wiring in a rather run-down building in San Fran's Tenderloin district. (Such are the occupational hazards of "new music" venues, eh?) This has been an amazing week in the Bay Area (and the session this afternoon in Hollywood), full of old and new friends, a lot of information exchanged, a lot of tremendous professional connections made utterly by accident, some half-way decent music that somehow managed to escape from my amp, and some of the worst traffic I've ever had to sit through... (I'm sorry, but I refuse to acknowledge a several-mile stretch of surface streets running through San Fransicso as anything even remotely resembling the 101 freeway. My Gawd...) I will write more after I've caught up on half a week's worth of sleep, and/or have some semblance of a coherent thought to add... which of course means you're in for quite a wait. I know, I know... your prayers answered at last! Most best, --Andre LaFosse [insert self-signifying URL here] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 04:42:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10246; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 04:41:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 04:41:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004701c24cdc$32e9e2a0$0101a8c0@o4z6b8> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <200208232230.SAA08096@hemlock.violacea.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020825194211.038c2d80@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Nu Metal vs. Steve Vai vs. Santana Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:40:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The WORLD is not the US. Here in Italy, for example, is full of 70's and 80's influenced bands, even in the charts. In Germany and northern europe is full of Santana, 80's power metal (and instrumental metal) followers. In Japan the instrumental metal and the 70's and 80's music are still great on the charts. In south america Santana is one of the greats on the charts. God, even Sepultura told that Santana had been an influence for them. In England one of the top-charting bands is Oasis... Must I tell you who influenced them? and Travis? and all the other fake-beatles, fake-rolling stones and fake-velvet undergrounds even on the almighty US Charts? Who do you refer to when you tell that 60's 70'and 80's artists are not influential anymore? And being influenced by an artist doesn't mean to be a clone of the artist. Peace Luigi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 5:47 AM Subject: Re: Nu Metal vs. Steve Vai vs. Santana > Wow, I had no idea Santana fans were so sensitive. > > if Santana as a cultural event were so influential, I should be able to > look out in the world today and see the result of that influence. There > should be little Santana clones crawling all over the charts. > > In case you haven't checked lately, they are not there. > > http://www.billboard.com/billboard/charts/bb200.jsp > http://www.billboard.com/billboard/charts/hot100.jsp > http://www.billboard.com/billboard/charts/randb.jsp > http://www.billboard.com/billboard/charts/airplay/modern.jsp > http://www.billboard.com/billboard/charts/electronic.jsp > http://www.billboard.com/billboard/charts/indie_albums.jsp > http://www.billboard.com/billboard/charts/airplay/adult.jsp > > I'm not saying Santana is bad or that he wasn't influential a long time > ago. But "influential" means large numbers of other people are following > the lead in the present. Today, right now in the present, I don't see those > followers there. The popular music world is not listening to that style. > Nor are they listening to prog-rock. They are listening to a parade of > female R&B singers, another parade of rappers, heavy yet song-oriented > Nu-Metal, another parade of female pop-rock singers, arena rock pearl jam > copies like Creed, a bit of aggro country like Toby Keith, and of course, > Eminem who is everywhere. > > I'm sorry if the world doesn't share your tastes in music. > > In my opinion that Santana album from three years ago was a fluke based on > what is popular otherwise both then and now. As someone else pointed out, > it was a slick move by Arista, pairing Santana up with every other big name > on their hip-hop and alt-rock roster. The fans of all those other stars > bought the record too, and Santana got a nice ride. Good for him. But the > closest thing I've seen to a guitar soloist in popular music since then is > the White Stripes, and they obviously aren't influenced by Santana. > > Tacking looping onto older artists who's star has set and are no longer > relevant is not going to get the concept a new level of acceptance in the > world. I'm sorry that troubles you. > > kim > > > At 09:37 PM 8/23/2002, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > >Our esteemed leader, Kim wrote: > > > >"well duh. Santana is great, but he's old news. Everybody who was going to > >be influenced by Santana already got influenced 25 years ago. The "nu metal > >jerk" probably reaches far more people today than Santana has in years." > > > > > >I agree with your take on Vai, Steve, but I think you are dead wrong about > >Santana. > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 04:45:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10558; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 04:45:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 04:45:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020826012747.02264900@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:47:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Santana no longer influential?!?! HORSE CHIPS!!!!!! In-Reply-To: References: <200208260545.BAA29813@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:36 AM 8/26/2002, Travis Hartnett wrote: >I dunno Kim--I'm just back from a bar where a bunch of kids in the early >twenties were digging the shit out of Lynyrd Skynyrd and Steve Miller >covers, singing along with every word in an un-ironic manner. Classic Rock >is amazingly popular among Da Kidz in Seattle. For sure that's not going to help looper progress, although I don't see why people can't play ordinary classic rock with looping. In some respects that's even what I'm getting at. Looping in good, ordinary, popular music would be a good thing. Although maybe I'm living in a different universe. Nobody listens to Lynyrd Skynyrd in West Oakland. However, the stuff they do listen to here is all over the radio and the charts and MTV. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 04:48:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10766; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 04:47:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 04:47:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:46:04 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_fripp_looper_o_o__loop?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Italo_De_Angelis?=" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 3.0.1build13 R13 X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 212.141.180.25 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id EAA10710 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 2 Eventides, actually! ;-) Italo > >so what is fripp using for "looping" now ? > > last i heard, he had a quartet of 2290's and an > eventide. > > -jim > > ___________________________________________ Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 04:54:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA11202; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 04:54:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 04:54:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:51:23 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_fripp_looper_o_o__loop?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Italo_De_Angelis?=" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 3.0.1build13 R13 X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 212.141.180.25 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id EAA11087 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What is really amazing is that Fripp still uses those 4 dynosaurs for delay looping, the 2290s! He could get the same results plus A LOT more by using an Orville, save 6 spaces in the rack, about 40 kg weight less, a lot of money less to ship the rack...and much better sound. Quirks! Italo > i see in the photo, and saw at the crimson show (where i stood 6 feet from him) > > eventide H3000 > eventide H3500 > > 2 roland gp100s > 2 tc2290s > sound sculpture switchblade <<-- VERY important > 2 more tc2290s > ? > ? > furman power conditioner > carver amp (for bag end monitors) > > when i saw him play a soundscapes show, he had 3 eventides and the two mystery > devices were nowhere to be found. the third h3000 was turned off ... i 'm > assuming it was a backup. > > and yes this is alot of gear. especially for the person who was rumour ed to > be "scared" of edgar froese's rig when he showed up for a david bowie session > (pure rumour). > > however, when you realise it's basically two stereo loopers with 2 fx > processors for each and the switchblade to route and impedence-match > everything, it's not that big of a deal. > > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > ___________________________________________ Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 04:57:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA11376; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 04:56:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 04:56:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:55:05 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_fripp_looper_o_o__loop?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Italo_De_Angelis?=" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 3.0.1build13 R13 X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 212.141.180.25 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id EAA11301 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com www.soundsculpture.com a lot of interesting reading.... Italo > basically, it's a routing matrix. plug most of your gear into it and configure your signal on the front panel (or the the pc editor) into pre sets, of which you can have many and even inside of each preset, you can have loads of control for fades, etc. > > handy is an understatement. > > -jim > ___________________________________________ Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 05:01:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12928; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 05:01:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 05:01:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825213140.0226b528@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 02:03:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CFB1@mitorexch01.marit z.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:18 PM 8/23/2002, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: >That stuff helps for sure, but I think it only reaches people who are >already familiar with the idea and pretty close to making a decision to go >for it anyway. > >A manufacturer can't make that happen, they can only hope to be in the >right place to ride the wave >when it does. The musicians are ultimately what makes it happen. > >** herein lies therub, no? i guess my thinking would be that they have >someone like benny reitveld (spelling, sorry) who is doing this stuff and >all. people notice people like him doing stuff, people even notice david >torn. if you use some of their mugs, maybe it helps people who are already >familiar with the sound say, "aha, that's how he did it" - - or maybe not. >it will not be on the level of the fender stratocaster - - not yet a >least. the thing is, it seems like there could be a small window of >opportunity for some niche marketing by these companies. Sure, I don't think anybody disagrees with that. I certainly don't. It helps some, I just don't think it helps all that much more than the fact that a known artist is using the stuff in the first place. So far as I know Gibson intends to do various artist relation efforts with whoever they can in relation to the upcoming Echoplex Plus dealy. In fact, that's why I know about Benny's use of the Echoplex. Gibson called me about wanting to get him a copy of LoopIV. You guys talk about these industry folks like they don't know this stuff, when they are the ones doing it every single day for years. By now they have it pretty well dialed in as to when endorsers are effective, when they are not, and how much to invest in it. When it isn't happening it is more because it just wasn't making sense budget or organizationally or timing-wise. But the big problem is, who are you going to use for looping endorsements that are really big enough to matter? There are some people who are somewhat known and who use looping techniques, but they are not very mainstream or popular. A manufacturer has to consider whether the investment in that endorser will actually result in more sales than it costs. In some cases it probably will but oftentimes not. But what really needs to happen is for some artists to become really huge with looping being a big part of what they do. They will be well known for looping and many people will want it because of them. Those people make the best endorsers, because they are selling the stuff even without an endorsement deal just by being who they are. I don't think there is anybody really like that out there and I'm hoping to see it change. >In dealing with musical instrument industry for a few years, I've found >that musicians are incredibly conservative people when it comes to how >they make music. Sure, they'll get funny haircuts and wear crazy clothes, >but they won't try a new sound. Most of them don't want to try new things, >unless they see somebody else doing it successfully first. "Successfully" >is the key. When they hear music that they like and see that others like it >too, then they want to emulate the music and the musicians doing it. They >become willing to try whatever technique or box is necessary. No video in a >store gets them to that point. > >* correct on all accounts. but you have david torn doing stuff on albums >by bowie, etc. it seems that those could be the considered someone using >it successfully - - though not on korn levels Yes, that's something, although to me dt playing with Tori Amos is a much bigger deal since she's actually likely to get a bunch of hit singles off an album and much bigger sales. Her fans are a lot younger and more fanatical too. Still, and unfortunately, I think in both cases the focus will be on David Bowie and Tori Amos and everything else related to it will be overshadowed by them. If Tori were looping her voice and piano on her album and in concerts that would be something. >I think the steps for a new instrument becoming a popular instrument go >something like this: > >- a new idea/instrument comes along from some bright person or company. > - - etc > >** re your time line. i guess the question comes down to where are we in >the cycle? Right now I would say real-time looping is still stuck in an early adopter stage. It's well past the beginning experimenter stage. But the early adopter stage has been going a long time and things haven't yet bloomed past that to any mass acceptance stage. In my opinion it is still in a phase where most people doing it are still figuring it out and learning how to use the ideas well enough to really incorporate it into their music. Hopefully more of them will and we can look forward to some great and compelling music in the future, music that captures the imagination and interest of a wider audience who then want to play like that too. That's why I think people like Andre going out and trying to be teachers of looping is a good thing, and probably what the whole process really needs right now. > is gibson (fer instance) missing the window right now? Is Gibson missing what window right now? Do you think there is something significantly different right now from before? I honestly don't see that window of opportunity right now, although I hope one opens sometime soon. I think Gibson may be one of the few companies that has approached this right, whether by design or not, in that they have given their looping product and the idea of looping a good long time to develop. They've been patient when others expected overnight success. They keep it on a slow burn so it doesn't cost them much to keep it going, and so it will be there ready to ride if a wave of popular acceptance finally comes. They haven't blown their wad on marketing when the timing was wrong, either for them or the market. They've invested effort towards fixing problems that got in the way of sales, like production or organizational related issues that used to be more of a problem than now. After all, up until only very recently there was a perpetual waiting list for the Echoplex, so there wasn't any real reason to put effort into marketing something when you they couldn't really keep up with the demand that they had anyway. To me that is the right approach at this stage. Keep things simmering along until it's really ready to take off. Probably that has a lot to do with being a 100+ year old guitar company. They are used to musical instruments taking a while to get going and then lasting a while when they do succeed, and probably they are used to seeing things rise and fall with the fickle nature of pop culture. They don't think like a consumer technology company that tries to make everything run on a 6-month product cycle and flashes out of existence after a short hot life. Sure, there could be things like better manuals, or sales videos, or whatever. Those are things that are being worked on now in some plodding, yet economical fashion. But I really don't think any of those things just by themselves are going to sell a whole lot more units than are being sold already. We need some larger shift in the musical culture. It will make a minor difference, sure, but nothing big like for example, if hip hop producers were using live looping the way they use the MPC2000. >Like Trey Anastasio and the Boomerang. He doesn't do ads or endorsements >for it, he >just uses it all the time. So his fans buy it. > >* the what-if being, what if they did do some advert stuff with him? Could they even afford to? Will spending $15,000+ (or whatever it costs) on advertising with Trey Anastasio result in more than $15,000 profit on Boomerang sales, above and beyond what they sell anyway just because he's already using it? That's a lot of Boomerangs, but that's what it would take to make such a thing worthwhile. A risky thing to contemplate with a small niche product. It might be easier to just make sure Trey is happy and keeps using it. To me the sequence is something like this: 1. Trey Anastasio does not use Boomerang yet, sales are what they are. 2. Trey buys one, starts using it extensively in Phish performances and his later solo projects. Sales of Boomerangs improve a lot because Phish fans are into it and follow everything Trey does anyway. 3. Boomerang does hypothetical ad with Trey someday. Costs a lot of money to do, but only a few more sales occur beyond what was happening anyway just due to his constant touring and playing the boomerang. I remember Boomerang went to the NAMM show one year. Their booth was filled with people fascinated with their pedal every time I went by. They never went to the show again, and later I recall them complaining that the cost of going ended up being far higher than the sales they ended up getting as a result. Electrix said the same this year, and I've heard it before. That's a real danger for a small musical instrument maker. The cost of advertising is high compared to your income, and it might not do you nearly as much good as the free advertising of good musicians playing good music in front of a lot of people with your products. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 05:15:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13674; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 05:15:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 05:15:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D69F16E.72239B32@cloud9.net> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 05:14:23 -0400 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Wind controller (was Re: Why the Repeater) References: <200208260547.BAA29977@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <04RtDD.A.ZUD.0Efa9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd be interested in hearing about how you use your WX-5 to control your Repeater, Rick. Are you controlling pitch? Using pitchbend? I'm a windsynth player as well, but have never even thought about hooking mine (WX-7) up to the Repeater as a controller!! Elby > > > Subject: Why the Repeater? > Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 21:18:10 -0700 > From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" > To: > > Mark Hamburg wrote: > "People keep saying that one should have both . > Why?" > > Not that I'm one to talk (because I'm having horrible problems with my midi > implementation using both a set of behringer midi footpedals and a Yamaha > WX-5 wind controller simultaneously to control my Repeater in concert), but > for all the people who want to do the 'one person band concept' the > Repeater is the best tool that does this well, in my opinion (flame me not, > EDP owners..........giggle) > > with four separate panable mono channels,the ability to pan them > independently and excellent fidelity > this machine can be a multi-instrumentalist's dream. > > comparing the EDP and the Repeater is kind of like comparing a pedal steel > guitar and a state of the art acoustic guitar. They both have incredible > similarities but are fundamentally different instruments designed for > different things. > > As an effect, the ability to time stretch loops and retune them without > changing their length is extraordinarily cool. > > As great as the EDP is (and I"m personally in awe of it's capabilities as > extremely little as I know about them) I think that > the Repeater is probably better suited for the more conventional > multi-instrumentalist > 'band in a box' type musician. > > A great artist like Andre LaFosse and Matthias Grob just couldn't do what > they do > with a Repeater but it is still an incredible leap forward from the > DL-4/Loopstation/Boomerang/Jamman paradigm. > > Try it............hopefully, you'll like it. > > Now, the trouble is finding one. > > yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 05:21:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA14016; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 05:20:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 05:20:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D69F2C6.2B6F4C51@cloud9.net> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 05:20:06 -0400 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why I love the Repeater References: <200208260547.BAA29977@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-GiErD.A.VaD.LKfa9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Exactly what I had in mind, C :) Although getting *another* device involved seems a hassle, for steady clock that seems the only option. And if this works for 8, maybe we can see what it would be like for 16 :) Now I just have to get my Repeater back from my friend. Unfortunately, my friend also happens to be my boss, and when you have a boss named "Guru", you don't want to push too hard! lol Elby > Subject: Re: Why I love the Repeater > Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:27:33 -0600 > From: Goddess > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Yeah, I've got a spare too, but it's still in the box. I was also > thinking of doing the 8-track thing as well. Lemme' know if you get there > first, K? -Actually, just had an idea. in the case that the midi > clock is too flakey from one repeater to another, you could simply synch to > a drum machine or whatever, and then use the midi through on the first > repeater into the second. I'd think they should synch just fine. > > Smiles, > > CQ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 06:58:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA19461; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 06:57:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 06:57:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:55:50 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: OT: conditioning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <57ZamD.A.9rE.Olga9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com can you believe that I just noticed that I am still carefull with the use of the Pause button in audio apps, as if it was a machine that does not stop? :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 07:01:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21010; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 07:01:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 07:01:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00c501c24bed$4f3c9d20$66effea9@oemcomputer> References: <7AF925F6-B783-11D6-9F0A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <00c501c24bed$4f3c9d20$66effea9@oemcomputer> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:59:50 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > but doesnt it take another sticker to start with? One that sais something >like: >> "I compose live with looping" >> >> How many of the musicians that go to the Santana concert know that >> what happens in the bass solo is called looping? > >Yes, visibility is a real problem. There's a big difference between famous >guitarist X who's holding the thing in his arms while on stage and some >little box tucked away in a rack and being operated, usually unobtrusively, >by a footpedal. > >2 examples of invisibility: >Earlier in the summer I saw Eivind Aarset in concert, and he used a lot of >looping. You couldn't see a looper, though, and I doubt if anyone in the >audience realized that was going on, since it was very much a part of his >heavy processing. I went up to stage later and saw an edp in his rack. >Then I saw Garbarek; during Eberhard Weber's extended bass solo he use very >clear (simple but very effective) looping, but while I'm sure the muscians >realized he wasn't doing playing everything at once, I suspect the rest of >the audience just saw him playing his bass. I have seen that show, and the public arround me started murmuring (whats that word? :-) about it, guessing how that all could be possible. Some came close. Not musicians. >I guess he was using an edp too, but i don't know because i couldn't >see any rack, or even his footpedals. true, they are almost on the floor and look to the right. :-( ... >But I wonder how many of them ever discover that there are more possibilties >to looping than the dl4 offers? That's one of the problems with technology, >that people often accept whatever is immediately available as the defining >condition (my students' web-based research comes to mind....) One of the >things that makes the edp so wonderful is that you can change many of those >conditions (especially with loop4), which in sense means that you can >transform it into different instruments.... yes, it seems to turn into that more and more. We call those "InterfaceModes" or in the end they are Presets. Instruments sounds nicer :-) maybe comparable: they still sell a lot of electric pianos, although probably it would not be more expensif to pack hundreds of sounds into the same machine. More and more they add some more instruments to it, though: first it was a harpsicord and a fender sound, now its strings and organs... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 07:02:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21021; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 07:01:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 07:01:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9C87534A-B7F8-11D6-8267-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: <9C87534A-B7F8-11D6-8267-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:00:08 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP sticker brainstorming Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3hbIIC.A.2HF.Ypga9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com makes sense, thank you! >Well, I think something like, "I'm Looping with the ECHOPLEX" with a >Gibson logo would suggest "Delay" music due to the fact that >everyone who speaks English knows the word "echo" means a delayed >repetition of sound. Good name. It kind of already says what it >does. Add the word loop in there and if what you're doing is >obviously repeating to some degree, or doing anything that a non >looper equipped instrumentalist couldn't do, it should spark some >interest. > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Saturday, August 24, 2002, at 05:17 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > >>seems to be a good idea, thank you! >>but doesnt it take another sticker to start with? One that sais >>something like: >>"I compose live with looping" >> >>How many of the musicians that go to the Santana concert know that >>what happens in the bass solo is called looping? >> >>The first few months I thought I was doing "delay-music" or "waving >>carpets", until a Fripp fan told me this was called looping. Then I >>remembered I had heard "watermusic" years before... >> >>>How about something cheap and simple? Rather than a single >>>product endorsement, why not make some or all of your customers >>>endorsers? How, you ask? They way most every manufacturer does >>>it: Stickers. >>> >>>Every EDP should come with a nice bumper sticker that could say, >>>"Loops via Echoplex by Gibson" We put these stickers on our >>>racks, or they could anywhere visible. Every time we play a gig, >>>regardless of people trying to see what's in your rack, they'd >>>know. Doesn't much matter if they care, it will be in their >>>subconcious. Then, when they pop in the latest Bowie album and get >>>hit with that obvious loop, they might make the connection, if >>>they care like musicians do. >>> >>>Anyway, couldn't hurt and it wouldn't really cost much to implement. >>> >>>Mark Sottilaro >>> >>>On Saturday, August 24, 2002, at 04:35 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>>matthias, you said something about product endorsements being old-school & >>>>>boring, or something much like that..... >> >> >>-- >> >> ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 07:04:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21338; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 07:03:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 07:03:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001a01c24c49$225f7500$0affff0a@hppav> References: <00b901c24bc3$cbb778e0$0affff0a@hppav> <001a01c24c49$225f7500$0affff0a@hppav> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:02:08 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP Hardware Interface Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Of course if I was driving a car and the accelerator and the brake were the >same pedal, and all I needed to do was switch modes between patches, I'd end >up with a road wreck pretty quick. :-) would you be able to drive with 7 pedals? or rather with three pedals if each one did the right thing depending on which was the last one pressed or which state the car is? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 07:05:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21456; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 07:04:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 07:04:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825003845.03933a10@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825003845.03933a10@loopers-delight.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:02:50 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Loop V request (was Re: A/B switch for Echoplex) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >All that's not necessary. Just get a decent midi controller. Put the >Echoplexes on two different midi channels. In your midi controller, >have a set of controls for Echoplex A, a set of controls for >Echoplex B, and a set for A & B. That's part of the reason why we >added the MIDI pipe feature. >kim oh shure, I forgot about this one! It may not be practical any more if you use serveral pages with DirectMIDIcommands and loop calls, because you would have to tripple them all. > >At 06:00 PM 8/24/2002, Mark Hamburg wrote: >>Here's an idea for Loop V (or Loop IV 1.1): >> >>Add another mode control that allows to EDPs to be connected via MIDI with >>one connected to the footswitch. The one connected to the footswitch is the >>master. The other is the slave. That already works, but now for the twist. >>The mode control changes between Master, Slave, and Stereo and controls >>whether or not each Echoplex responds to foot control and feedback pedal >>information. >> > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 07:20:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22379; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 07:20:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 07:20:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 07:18:27 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CHECKING IN:(USA) Message-ID: <4AD8A151.5115529E.0017F279@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > 1)where you live: San Antonio, Texas > > 2)where you would like to perform (a city or a region):Stateside > > 3) whether you have the desire to perform in any other region (many people > who played the Y2K2 LOOPFEST in Santa Cruz, California made the festival an > excuse to take a vacation. Some even flew in from elsewhere to do so. Yes, I would perform in another region. > > and finally, > > 4) .would you be willing to host a fellow looper or loopers at a local venue. Unable to host festival at this time. > 5) would you be willing to put a performer up at your home during the > length of their stay (not to exceed 3 months........no, just joking) Unable to put up boarder at this time. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 08:02:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA26022; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:01:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:01:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:03:28 -0400 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Re: Do you even know the definition of the word influential?! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3D6A1910.7B549C76@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,zh-TW References: <200208252316.TAA28119@hemlock.violacea.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020825204823.037e1008@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Flint wrote: > Thanks Chris! I'm amazed at how perfectly you just proved my point while > trying to argue against it. > > In case you haven't noticed, the 80's really did end. 1982 really was > decades ago. The rest of the world has moved on. Sorry about that. My > childhood heroes are old and dusty and unpopular now too. There must be something wrong with me. I still enjoy music that was created more than 10 years ago. Does something have to be currently popular to be considered relevant? Many artists with significant long term impact were not popular during their lifetimes, or while they were producing a particular style. After all, if you are trying to do something new and different, it is not likely to be popular. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 08:32:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA27485; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:29:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:29:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:28:05 EDT Subject: Re: fripp looper o o loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jimfowler@prodigy.net writes: >handy is an understatement. in the (apparently) odd way in which i diddle w/signal flow, i don't think of the switchblade as particularly 'handy'; no substantial visual feedback from the faceplate..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 08:57:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA28944; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:55:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:55:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c24cff$8500f880$80dba942@cm53039a> From: "Kevin Brunkhorst" To: Subject: influence Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 07:53:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C24CD5.9BBE9A20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C24CD5.9BBE9A20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Certain things like Steve Miller and Lynyrd Skynyrd will always resonate = with some people, and that will always be so. But are they influential? Well, in some ways, they might cause some = kids to pick up a guitar and want to play. But as in the case of = Santana: what he does now (which is just an essence of what he's always = done, no?) is probably no more or less influential than it was in '69. = But back then it was unusual and so may have jolted more people. I = don't hear many guitarists appearing lately that cop a lot of his = playing style. Some wise person said we don't buy drills to have drills, but rather to = make holes. Have you ever heard someone described as the 'latest Steve = Miller'? =20 I think the 'influential' tend to come from the outsides or fringes, the = weird and unusual. Eventually a style (or musical language, if you = like) works its way into the mainstream - at that point it's easy to see = how the word 'influential' is justified. Certain music might inspire people to do things - but does it inspire = them to do them differently? 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Certain things like Steve = Miller and=20 Lynyrd Skynyrd will always resonate with some people, and that will = always be=20 so.
But are they = influential?  Well, in=20 some ways, they might cause some kids to pick up a guitar and want to=20 play.  But as in the case of Santana: what he does now (which is = just an=20 essence of what he's always done, no?) is probably no more or less=20 influential than it was in '69.  But back then it was unusual and = so may=20 have jolted more people.  I don't hear many guitarists appearing = lately=20 that cop a lot of his playing style.
Some wise person said we don't = buy drills=20 to have drills, but rather to make holes.  Have you ever heard = someone=20 described as the 'latest Steve Miller'? 
I think the 'influential' tend = to come=20 from the outsides or fringes, the weird and unusual.  Eventually a = style=20 (or musical language, if you like) works its way into the mainstream - = at that=20 point it's easy to see how the word 'influential' is = justified.
Certain music might inspire = people to do=20 things - but does it inspire them to do them=20 differently?
Kevin
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C24CD5.9BBE9A20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 09:00:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA29285; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:58:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:58:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:58:14 -0400 Subject: Re: fripp looper o o loop From: Laurent Brondel To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 8/26/02 8:28 AM, "Hedewa7@aol.com" wrote: > jimfowler@prodigy.net writes: > >> handy is an understatement. > in the (apparently) odd way in which i diddle w/signal flow, i don't think of > the switchblade as particularly 'handy'; no substantial visual feedback from > the faceplate..... > best, > dt / splattercell > What would you recommend for a mixer/router, possibly rackable and with excellent signal/noise ratio? Best, -- Laurent Brondel laurentbrondel@earthlink.net http://www.laurentbrondel.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 09:00:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30493; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:59:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:59:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:48:04 -0400 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Re: Pattern Sequencers (was Re: Repeater spotted for sale) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3D6A2384.CC9DF9B9@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,zh-TW References: <000001c24c85$318423a0$0601a8c0@SATAN> <3.0.5.32.20020826001025.00872100@pop.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Notron is the king of real time step sequencers. But unfortunately, it is no longer made and nearly impossible to get. For new developments, check these out: http://tidalmusic.homestead.com/files/so_main_files/step-one.htm http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/instruments.html http://www.technotoys.com/mikado/ Currently available step sequencers: http://www.frostwave.com/fatcontroller/index.html http://www.sospubs.co.uk/sos/feb00/articles/mamsq16.htm http://www.clavia.se/nordmodular/index.htm http://www.doepfer.de/maq_e.htm http://www.technosaurus.ch/cyclodon.htm Also, there are lots of nifty pattern sequencers (RM1x, XL-7, Electribe, too many to list), as well as vintage analog gear. If you prefer software: http://algoart.com/web/softstep.htm Notron info: http://www.3phase.org/notron/ Goddess wrote: > supposedly there's a very nice and extremely sought after realtime > pattern sequencer called the Notron. It's designed to be played on the > fly, without looking at it. > > Smiles, > > CQ > > At 03:37 PM 8/25/02 -0700, you wrote: > >Any advice on realtime pattern sequencers? I've been having fun lately with > >the as played option on my Microwave's arpeggiator but there are defintely > >some awkward aspects to it. > > > >Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 09:22:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31907; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:20:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:20:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <78.2bb56b7a.2a9b84db@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:19:23 EDT Subject: Re: Do you even know the definition of the word influential?! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_78.2bb56b7a.2a9b84db_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10514 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_78.2bb56b7a.2a9b84db_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/26/2002 5:00:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, gwaltzer@optonline.net writes: > Does something have to be currently popular to be > considered relevant? more or less - yup. But ya know, King Crimson summed themselves up quite adequetely yrs ago in that song "I'm a dinosaur"... even they realize where they stand perhaps more than you :) Another fact I'm realizing and coming to accept for myself is that I'm 32 & about to turn 33. I strongly feel & realize that I'm simply old now by industry standards as for the most part I am way older than the types of musicians who sell and influence ( if u can call it that ) other kids these days. & Kids may listen to classic rock & sing along, but I dont see them droppin the cash they do on Classic Rock like will in a flash for Jah Rule, P-Diddy or O-Town. The rock thing and the perspective of rock as a foundation for musical experience is very prevalent here IMHO on LD. But IMHO the rock thing is way dead and the perspective it would give ya is one that kinda clouds what and where peoples heads are at today which is altogether different than what we (over 30 types associated and grew up having affinity toward ). And this summer the hottest fashion's on the streets of Philly & NYC it seems are Sean Jean Tee-Shirts, Sean Jean Blue Jeans and Accessories. I just dont see too many Steve Miller Shirts or see many Jerry Garcia or Fripp or Lynard Skynard Tees on the streets ( maybe down south its a different stor ). However, I do see Linkin Park Tees, Korn Tees, and I do hear blarin from cars Eminem, Ashanti, P-Diddy, Nelly, Pink, Jah Rule, Outkast, Red Hot Chili Peppers ( another bunch of old farts but they still sell records ). I dont hear people balrin JOhn Cage or Keith Tippet from car stereos...I dont hear Lynard Skynard much from car loads of 16-19 yr old Boys and girls on south street....I dont hear any John Coltrane other than edited - samples of his horn in Hip-Hop grooves from underground DJ's...I dont hear kids looking for the latest in Brazillian Jazz and Free improv or African drumming or Gamelan music as I dont think anybody 12-21 really knows where the Bill laswell lies. & I really dont think you hear kids talking about the intricacies or finer statements and articulations of any guitar or bass solo these days unless you are hanging out with folks - kids ( usually over 25 big-kid types ) who work in music stores or record collector/record geek hole in the wall type record shops. I think that most kids today would say Allan Hold's what? if u were to mention Allan Holdworth's name. I am convinced that most people think Soft Machine is an ice cream machine with multiple flavors. I think people think yes is more or less a formal word of accepotance. I also suspect people think of Genesis as Genetic cloning. And I think that for the most part people really dont care about the details or history or depth of any influence that the folks over 30 have. The only thing folks care about is feeling entertained or seeing something they can identify with and wanne be like for themselves - it aint a rock n roller thats for sure. & I think most follk especially younger ones 12-21 ( most folks in general do too ) loathe music they feel they would need an encylopedia to reference or worse yet, being lectured to or having to deal with anything that is experimental and "meandering" without referenceable grooves and without that familiar looped beat pumpin in 4/4 dawg. These days, what is old is something that hasnt sold in 6months and or that which didnt reach a sizable audience after its initial release; thats really the definition of washed up these days by industry standards. But what is old happens a lot faster these days than before as that what is held onto is a lot less than ever b4 IMHO. "somebody's been diggin my bones"... Warmest Regards, John Price/AKASH "The World's Most Erotic Band" http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" --part1_78.2bb56b7a.2a9b84db_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/26/2002 5:00:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, gwaltzer@optonline.net writes:


Does something have to be currently popular to be
considered relevant?


more or less - yup.

But ya know, King Crimson summed themselves up quite adequetely yrs ago in that song "I'm a dinosaur"... even they realize where they stand perhaps more than you :)

Another fact I'm realizing and coming to accept for myself is that I'm 32 & about to turn 33. I strongly feel & realize that I'm simply old now by industry standards as for the most part I am way older than the types of musicians who sell and influence ( if u can call it that ) other kids these days.

& Kids may listen to classic rock & sing along, but I dont see them droppin the cash they do on Classic Rock like will in a flash for Jah Rule, P-Diddy or O-Town.

The rock thing and the perspective of rock as a foundation for musical experience is very prevalent here IMHO on LD.

But IMHO the rock thing is way dead and the perspective it would give ya is one that kinda clouds what and where peoples heads are at today which is altogether different than what we (over 30 types associated and grew up having affinity toward ).

And this summer the hottest fashion's on the streets of Philly & NYC it seems are Sean Jean Tee-Shirts, Sean Jean Blue Jeans and Accessories.

I just dont see too many Steve Miller Shirts or see many Jerry Garcia or Fripp or Lynard Skynard Tees on the streets ( maybe down south its a different stor ).

However,  I do see Linkin Park Tees, Korn Tees, and I do hear blarin from cars Eminem, Ashanti, P-Diddy, Nelly, Pink, Jah Rule, Outkast, Red Hot Chili Peppers ( another bunch of old farts but they still sell records ).

I dont hear people balrin JOhn Cage or Keith Tippet from car stereos...I dont hear Lynard Skynard much from car loads of 16-19 yr old Boys and girls on south street....I dont hear any John Coltrane other than edited - samples of his horn in Hip-Hop grooves from underground DJ's...I dont hear kids looking for the latest in Brazillian Jazz and Free improv or African drumming or Gamelan music as I dont think anybody 12-21 really knows where the Bill laswell lies.

& I really dont think you hear kids talking about the intricacies or finer statements and articulations of any guitar or bass solo these days unless you are hanging out with folks - kids ( usually over 25 big-kid types ) who work in music stores or record collector/record geek hole in the wall type record shops.

I think that most kids today would say Allan Hold's what? if u were to mention Allan Holdworth's name.

I am convinced that most people think Soft Machine is an ice cream machine with multiple flavors.

I think people think yes is more or less a formal word of accepotance.

I also suspect people think of Genesis as Genetic cloning.

And I think that for the most part people really dont care about the details or history or depth of any influence that the folks over 30 have.

The only thing folks  care about is feeling entertained or seeing something they can identify with and wanne be like for themselves - it aint a rock n roller thats for sure.

& I think most follk especially younger ones 12-21 ( most folks in general do too ) loathe music they feel they would need an encylopedia to reference or worse yet, being lectured to or having to deal with anything that is experimental and "meandering" without referenceable grooves and without that familiar looped beat pumpin in 4/4 dawg.

These days, what is old is something that hasnt sold in 6months and or that which didnt reach a sizable audience after its initial release; thats really the definition of washed up these days by industry standards.

But what is old happens a lot faster these days than before as that what is held onto is a lot less than ever b4 IMHO.

"somebody's been diggin my bones"...

Warmest Regards,
John Price/AKASH
"The World's Most Erotic Band"
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic
"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"


 --part1_78.2bb56b7a.2a9b84db_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 10:46:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05390; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:45:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:45:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b501c24d0f$050e8100$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <01cb01c24adf$b5659110$dcfaec0c@ATTBI.COM> <001401c24ae7$6ea3bb00$69894682@lance> Subject: OT: miniTablas Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:44:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anybody know anything about "miniTablas?" I get a few web hits when searching but nothing with real information. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 11:21:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08805; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:21:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:21:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:15:17 -0700 Subject: Endorsement and usage effectiveness From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825213140.0226b528@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe I'm just particularly susceptible. I'm certainly not typical (outside perhaps this list) in my listening. On the other hand, David Torn's use of the following items heavily influenced my decision to purchase them: * Steinberger guitar (though I also played one first) * Lexicon PCM-70 * Yamaha MCS-2 (I wish I still had the Electronic Musician issue that detailed his rig.) I'm not sure whether Mr. Torn or Mr. Flint gets credit for intriguing me in Klein electrics. It was probably Fripp who got me into looping though it didn't inspire me to go out and get a couple of Revoxes. On the other hand, as far as I know, none of these were an endorsement deal. It was just a case of David Torn being relatively clear about what the technology was that he was using and the Frippertronics recordings being pretty much nothing but looping (as opposed to looping in the service of a broader tonal palette). And as Kim would note, none of this is particularly relevant now to most of the market. So, someone go out and get a hit, okay? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 11:57:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11139; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:56:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:56:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <55.2c63db5a.2a9ba95c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:55:08 EDT Subject: CHECKING IN (Southern Oregon, USA) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <2KQ7pC.A.msC.o9ka9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ahhh, bless you Rick! After all the silly stuff flying back and forth on the list for the past couple of days your suggestion comes like a breath of fresh air. In a message dated 8/25/02 9:03:52 PM, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: >1) where you live . . . Medford, Oregon, USA >2) where you would like to perform (a city or a region) . . . West Coast -- anywhere from Seattle, WA to San Diego, CA. >3) whether you have the desire to perform in any other region . . . I will perform anywhere within reason. My travel is limited to driving (mostly) but I prefer locations with access to a Starbucks (or equivalent coffee vendor) and good sushi. >4) would you be willing to host a fellow looper or loopers >at a local venue (by producing the event yourself) if they >came in from out of town to play a show with you -- the >mini-looping festival approach . . . Yes! This is a possibility. There is a Medford area brew pub with a small stage where a nonpaying performance could be easily arranged with only a couple weeks notice. My own preference, however, is to rent a small hall in Ashland, OR (nearby college town) and charge admission. I am actually hoping to do this a little more often than I already have. I find it much more pleasant to play and not have to compete with shouting bartenders/patrons and roaring cappuccino machines, etc. This takes a month or two to arrange in advance though. I am already planning to do another gig of this type in early May of 2003. It's also nice that, since the audience has paid, they tend to be more of the sort that really wants to HEAR what your doing. There are also some Art galleries in Ashland and Jacksonville that may host something (in a pinch). Medford is not much of a destination. However it is right on Interstate 5 about halfway between the SF bay area and Portland/Seattle areas. It could make a nice "pitstop" for traveling loop troubadours going on to bigger places. >5) would you be willing to put a performer up at your >home during the length of their stay . . . I'd be happy to put up performers for 2-3 days. I have a family (wife and 3 kids) and a smoke-free home with plenty of extra air-mattresses. We like company. Crater Lake is only an hour away up in the mountains -- a scenic marvel that everyone should see at least once. Okay there's my "CHECK IN". Thanks again Rick for thinking of this. Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 12:03:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12893; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:02:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:02:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Do you even know the definition of the word influential?! Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:03:10 +0200 Message-ID: <001201c24d1a$13ca03d0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <78.2bb56b7a.2a9b84db@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com while what you describe hits the situation on the head, I don't think you're right regarding the underlying "the kids don't listen to good stuff anymore" (if I understood it right). I think the reason for people listening to crap all the time is simply because most people are idiots, statistically speaking. Bach died a poor man. Beethoven got along well only because he was sponsored by a duke - same goes for Wagner (who actually fled town more than once to escape his creditors). This is simply not a world for good music. On the other hand, I do well believe that people will be listening to LTJ Bukem in 30 years in the same way they listen today to the Beatles. Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs -----Original Message----- From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com [mailto:AKASHMUSIC@aol.com] Sent: Montag, 26. August 2002 15:19 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Do you even know the definition of the word influential?! In a message dated 8/26/2002 5:00:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, gwaltzer@optonline.net writes: Does something have to be currently popular to be considered relevant? more or less - yup. But ya know, King Crimson summed themselves up quite adequetely yrs ago in that song "I'm a dinosaur"... even they realize where they stand perhaps more than you :) Another fact I'm realizing and coming to accept for myself is that I'm 32 & about to turn 33. I strongly feel & realize that I'm simply old now by industry standards as for the most part I am way older than the types of musicians who sell and influence ( if u can call it that ) other kids these days. & Kids may listen to classic rock & sing along, but I dont see them droppin the cash they do on Classic Rock like will in a flash for Jah Rule, P-Diddy or O-Town. The rock thing and the perspective of rock as a foundation for musical experience is very prevalent here IMHO on LD. But IMHO the rock thing is way dead and the perspective it would give ya is one that kinda clouds what and where peoples heads are at today which is altogether different than what we (over 30 types associated and grew up having affinity toward ). And this summer the hottest fashion's on the streets of Philly & NYC it seems are Sean Jean Tee-Shirts, Sean Jean Blue Jeans and Accessories. I just dont see too many Steve Miller Shirts or see many Jerry Garcia or Fripp or Lynard Skynard Tees on the streets ( maybe down south its a different stor ). However, I do see Linkin Park Tees, Korn Tees, and I do hear blarin from cars Eminem, Ashanti, P-Diddy, Nelly, Pink, Jah Rule, Outkast, Red Hot Chili Peppers ( another bunch of old farts but they still sell records ). I dont hear people balrin JOhn Cage or Keith Tippet from car stereos...I dont hear Lynard Skynard much from car loads of 16-19 yr old Boys and girls on south street....I dont hear any John Coltrane other than edited - samples of his horn in Hip-Hop grooves from underground DJ's...I dont hear kids looking for the latest in Brazillian Jazz and Free improv or African drumming or Gamelan music as I dont think anybody 12-21 really knows where the Bill laswell lies. & I really dont think you hear kids talking about the intricacies or finer statements and articulations of any guitar or bass solo these days unless you are hanging out with folks - kids ( usually over 25 big-kid types ) who work in music stores or record collector/record geek hole in the wall type record shops. I think that most kids today would say Allan Hold's what? if u were to mention Allan Holdworth's name. I am convinced that most people think Soft Machine is an ice cream machine with multiple flavors. I think people think yes is more or less a formal word of accepotance. I also suspect people think of Genesis as Genetic cloning. And I think that for the most part people really dont care about the details or history or depth of any influence that the folks over 30 have. The only thing folks care about is feeling entertained or seeing something they can identify with and wanne be like for themselves - it aint a rock n roller thats for sure. & I think most follk especially younger ones 12-21 ( most folks in general do too ) loathe music they feel they would need an encylopedia to reference or worse yet, being lectured to or having to deal with anything that is experimental and "meandering" without referenceable grooves and without that familiar looped beat pumpin in 4/4 dawg. These days, what is old is something that hasnt sold in 6months and or that which didnt reach a sizable audience after its initial release; thats really the definition of washed up these days by industry standards. But what is old happens a lot faster these days than before as that what is held onto is a lot less than ever b4 IMHO. "somebody's been diggin my bones"... Warmest Regards, John Price/AKASH "The World's Most Erotic Band" http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 12:17:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14284; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:16:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:16:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008101c24d1c$ee399790$62a45e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: <000001c24c85$318423a0$0601a8c0@SATAN> <3.0.5.32.20020826001025.00872100@pop.earthlink.net> <3D6A2384.CC9DF9B9@optonline.net> Subject: Re: Pattern Sequencers (was Re: Repeater spotted for sale) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:23:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greg, Are these things basically MIDI loopers? Any place where a genre description is available? David > Notron is the king of real time step sequencers. > But unfortunately, it is no longer made and nearly impossible to get. > > For new developments, check these out: > > http://tidalmusic.homestead.com/files/so_main_files/step-one.htm > > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/instruments.html > > http://www.technotoys.com/mikado/ > > Currently available step sequencers: > > http://www.frostwave.com/fatcontroller/index.html > > http://www.sospubs.co.uk/sos/feb00/articles/mamsq16.htm > > http://www.clavia.se/nordmodular/index.htm > > http://www.doepfer.de/maq_e.htm > > http://www.technosaurus.ch/cyclodon.htm > > Also, there are lots of nifty pattern sequencers (RM1x, XL-7, Electribe, too many > to list), as well as vintage analog gear. > > If you prefer software: > > http://algoart.com/web/softstep.htm > > Notron info: > > http://www.3phase.org/notron/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 12:20:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14649; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:18:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:18:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <55.2c63db5a.2a9ba95c@aol.com> References: <55.2c63db5a.2a9ba95c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:15:38 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: CHECKING IN (Southern Oregon, USA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow, I must have missed the initial thread... too much text in my life. > >1) where you live . . . New York City > >2) where you would like to perform (a city or a region) . . . The New York City area. > >3) whether you have the desire to perform in any other region . . . I'd be willing to travel somewhat if there were (to be crass) a chance for a large audience and/or reviews and/or $$$. I don't have a car. I am thinking personally that next summer will be a time for me to tour. > >4) would you be willing to host a fellow looper or loopers >>at a local venue (by producing the event yourself) if they >>came in from out of town to play a show with you -- the > >mini-looping festival approach . . . Sure, there's open loop every Saturday day and I imagine that we could by now book an evening gig in a bigger space. > >5) would you be willing to put a performer up at your > >home during the length of their stay . . . Sure, I could put up one or two for a few days-- we could probably put up a horde for a night or two (but I'd have to clear it with my roommate) -- we have a decent-sized loft in Chelsea (though a stroke of luck!) /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 12:22:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15220; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:21:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:21:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Server-Uuid: 90826C58-91B0-45EB-95A5-46B6D42E456F Message-ID: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34CC05@ENTCOEXCH13> From: "Lanpheer, James A" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: miniTablas Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:18:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 11748B2D2314112-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0oeps.A.9oD.nUla9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com They are no longer made. The gentleman that created them passed away. I exchanged an email with the guy at tabla.com and he said they were working on a new design, but it didn't sound like the release of the new version was 'imminent' to me. Apparently, the original design was fine, but too cost prohibitive. cheers, jim. -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Leas [mailto:dennis@mail.worldserver.com] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 8:44 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: miniTablas Does anybody know anything about "miniTablas?" I get a few web hits when searching but nothing with real information. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 12:26:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15722; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:25:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:25:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.187.131.30] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CHECKING IN(CA.USA) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:23:27 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2002 16:23:28.0411 (UTC) FILETIME=[E90C36B0:01C24D1C] Resent-Message-ID: <0Bi82B.A.JyD.fYla9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very noble and swell idea, Rick! As you know I am always looking at doing more looping gigs, and LoopFests have been wonderful experiences for me! BY the way Hans...sign me up for Loopstock II! >1)where you live: Tehachapi CA.(about 2 hours from LA in the mtns 'tween Bakersfield and LA) >2)where you would like to perform (a city or a region): Anywhere in the western US...altho' I certainly up to going further (this summer I performed in Idaho, South Dakota, Wyo. Nebaraska and Utah!). Of course, Calif. would be the easiest to do (and in saying I mean ANYWHERE in Cali. I frequently travel to NoCal, and have done a few of Rick's shows in SC and the Bay Area. SD, LA, SF and all points north and inbetween are do-able.) >3) whether you have the desire to perform in any other region > See above. I am, of course willing to travel whatever distance for the right gig! >4) would you be willing to host a fellow looper or loopers at a local >venue: Yes, as you know, Rick, I have been working towards a Central Cali Tour. Events of recent (selling one house and buying another) have delayed this, but there is some interest in this neck o' the woods for a Loopfest. I believe I have posted to this list about the nearby, and internationally renown "Tehachapi Loop".... >5) would you be willing to put a performer up at your home during the >length of their stay (not to exceed 3 months........no, just joking) Just bought a new house, and am more than willing to provide space, and can also find room at the homes of good and trusted friends. Best... Max _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 12:36:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16510; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:35:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:35:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <78.2bba1ba3.2a9bb27f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:34:07 EDT Subject: Re: Nu Metal vs. Steve Vai vs. Santana To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_78.2bba1ba3.2a9bb27f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10514 Resent-Message-ID: <6r1BiB.A.9-D.Iila9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_78.2bba1ba3.2a9bb27f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/26/2002 1:40:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Luigimeloni74@libero.it writes: > The WORLD is not the US. > Here in Italy, for example, is full of 70's and 80's influenced bands, > even > in the charts. > Question: Where are these bands you talk about and on what charts are do they actually appear? Other than say Aerosmith who are the perhaps the only other old farts left who score on the top 10 ( actaully, as I think about it, ya also gotta factor in James Taylor, Celine Dion and Bruce Springsteen + Phil Collins & maybe sting ). but Aerosmith & JT/Phil C, etc aint adding anybody new to their sales roster as their demographic is well over 35 and the purchase of a JT or Areosmith CD is about all the music their respectvive audiences will buy thruout an entire year. That old fart demographic pretty much tends to listen to music they already have purchased years ago and will buy maybe one or 2 new items a year. and if the old fart demographic does make more purchases than its usual one or 2 it is to buy an old album they had on vinyl that is now out on CD or somethin to that effect and more often its to buy the latest Britanny, Shakira, Ashanti, Nelly, P-Diddy, O-Town, N-Sync, Jah-Rule, Pink, Avril Lavigne, etc..thats wwhat is keepin the music industry aflot IMHO - not the old farts. But @ least sting is hip enuff to get the ancient police material as sampled and out there as much possible as he could for hip hop artists in order to keep his ancient stuff in younger hands. So really IMHO the old farts demographics dont count( in a quick and steady cash flow sense) much at all. & more significatly the old farts dont have other merchandise which they are tied into that sells fashions or other merchadise which is bankable and image expanding with a consumer market that expanding and voratiously ( spelling?) consuming IMHO. When you can sell your own line of Clothing with your autograph on them based upon the name and brand recognition you have as an "artist" that is really what influential means today and is really what is your paycheck more than making CD's and right behind the $$$ u make from touring. & Sting if i recall, was recently hawking Jaguars. & Im suddenly realizin Sting is an old fart who definietely aint no dummy. and Sting is clearly a leader in terms of keepin himself relevant and adapting to marrket conditions IMHO. Stig's music today is something I wont comment on but the point is today, no one has to be good or bad anymore in as much as the way to be relevant is to have a perception about you or by becoming branded in the very marketable imagery you need to sell ( anything really ) so it sticks to u. & remember that Carlos got an image upgrade from Wyclef Jean ( whose career now aint seelin that much product these days ) and The guy who sang that big hit ( as was pointed out earlier by Kim methinks ). But do ck these links out re: Europe & The USA and In particular Italy, please see 1st link mentioned: http://top40-charts.com/chart.php?cid=18 http://top40-charts.com/chart.php?cid=31 http://top40-charts.com/chart.php?cid=14 & do take a look at these off the cuff stats from top-40-charts.com's front page: - Paid My Dues (Anastacia): 289 entries in 20 charts - Hero (Enrique Iglesias): 450 entries in 26 charts - Escape (Enrique Iglesias): 282 entries in 23 charts - Without Me (Eminem): 344 entries in 30 charts - Don't Let Me Get Me (Pink): 269 entries in 24 charts - Underneath Your Clothes (Shakira): 246 entries in 24 charts - Hey Baby (No Doubt): 238 entries in 24 charts - Whenever, Wherever (Shakira): 527 entries in 25 charts - Hands Clean (Alanis Morissette): 250 entries in 25 charts - Ain't It Funny (Jennifer Lopez): 366 entries in 27 charts - In The End (Linkin Park ): 304 entries in 21 charts - A New Day Has Come (Celine Dion): 260 entries in 29 charts - Wherever You Will Go (Calling): 358 entries in 24 charts - Drops Of Jupiter (tell Me) (Train): 238 entries in 17 charts Also take a look @ this next article on a charting UK phenom & what they are all about - read about it here but pay close attention to the ages and demographics of the group and its obvious core audience: http://www.billboard.com/billboard/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=16 30998 And also, dont forget the Billboard top 10 singles as they really do set the pace or tone for the rest of the world IMHO: http://www.billboard.com/billboard/charts/hot100.jsp I just dont get a hint or whiff or Carlos Santana or Vai here in these charts or find anything other than what is for the most part comin from The USA and being exported and consumed in mass quatities worldwide -.with the exception being some middle eastern, african and asian countries. but most stuff - music wise & around the world and especially in Europe, IMHO is directly fronm the USA & again comin on strong on all nations charts or rather the music of other countries emulates the stuff from the usa in many ways. But Im also sure that all of the peoples in those aformentioned countries which may not be fully USA saturated in terms of its pop culture, do know who P-Diddy is more than they will ever know of Carlos Santana or Steve Vai or Zappa. But these days IMHO everybody seems to keep score. even kids know what the top 10 grossing movies of the week are at box offices as they keep certainly keep track of who is number one on the charts more than ever IMHO as the DJ's on air point it out, the artists themselves point it out and point to who is top dog. But for an interesting perspective on all of this new state of the music biz ( actually old news ) plug steve vai or santana into the aforementioned numbers/ trends from around the world and based upon what types of genres and styles and artists you see charting, and its like talking about and also arguing about apples and cadavers & thinkin theres life in a corpse Personally I like and still listen to Vai, Zappa and Carlos and have been influenced by everything I hear. But in the business of music, IMHO that dont count for a can of refried beans unless my music is selling those beans and getting me a cut of the action regadless as to whether its rock n roll, nu metal or crap :) Warmest Regards, John Price/AKASH "The World's Most Erotic Band" http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" --part1_78.2bba1ba3.2a9bb27f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/26/2002 1:40:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Luigimeloni74@libero.it writes:


The WORLD is not the US.
Here in Italy, for example, is full of 70's and 80's influenced bands,  even
in the charts.

Question: Where are these bands you talk about and on what charts are do they actually appear?

Other than say Aerosmith who are the perhaps the only other old farts left who score on the top 10 ( actaully, as I think about it, ya also gotta factor in James Taylor, Celine Dion and Bruce Springsteen + Phil Collins & maybe sting ). but Aerosmith & JT/Phil C, etc aint adding anybody new to their sales roster as their demographic is well over 35 and the purchase of a JT or Areosmith CD is about all the music their respectvive audiences will buy thruout an entire year.

That old fart demographic pretty much tends to listen to music they already have purchased years ago and will buy maybe one or 2 new items a year.

and if the old fart demographic does make more purchases than its usual one or 2 it is to buy an old album they had on vinyl that is now out on CD or somethin to that effect and more often its to buy the latest Britanny, Shakira, Ashanti, Nelly, P-Diddy, O-Town, N-Sync, Jah-Rule, Pink, Avril Lavigne, etc..thats wwhat is keepin the music industry aflot IMHO - not the old farts.

But @ least sting is hip enuff to get the ancient police material as sampled and out there as much possible as he could for hip hop artists in order to keep his ancient stuff in younger hands.

So really IMHO the old farts demographics dont count( in a quick and steady cash flow sense) much at all.

& more significatly the old farts dont have other merchandise which they are tied into that sells fashions or other merchadise which is bankable and image expanding with a consumer market that expanding and voratiously ( spelling?) consuming IMHO.

When you can sell your own line of Clothing with your autograph on them based upon the name and brand recognition you have as an "artist" that is really what influential means today and is really what is your paycheck more than making CD's and right behind the $$$ u make from touring.

& Sting if i recall, was recently hawking Jaguars.

& Im suddenly realizin Sting is an old fart who definietely aint no dummy.

and Sting is clearly a leader in terms of keepin himself relevant and adapting to marrket conditions IMHO.

Stig's music today is something I wont comment on but the point is today, no one has to be good or bad anymore in as much as the way to be relevant is to have a perception about you or by becoming branded in the very marketable imagery you need to sell ( anything really ) so it sticks to u.

   & remember that Carlos got an image upgrade from Wyclef Jean (   whose career now aint seelin that much product these days ) and The guy who sang that big hit ( as was pointed out earlier by Kim methinks ).

But do ck these links out re: Europe & The USA and In particular Italy, please see 1st link mentioned:

http://top40-charts.com/chart.php?cid=18
http://top40-charts.com/chart.php?cid=31
http://top40-charts.com/chart.php?cid=14

& do take a look at these off the cuff stats from top-40-charts.com's front page:
 - Paid My Dues (Anastacia): 289 entries in 20 charts
- Hero (Enrique Iglesias): 450 entries in 26 charts
- Escape (Enrique Iglesias): 282 entries in 23 charts
- Without Me (Eminem): 344 entries in 30 charts
- Don't Let Me Get Me (Pink): 269 entries in 24 charts
- Underneath Your Clothes (Shakira): 246 entries in 24 charts
- Hey Baby (No Doubt): 238 entries in 24 charts
- Whenever, Wherever (Shakira): 527 entries in 25 charts
- Hands Clean (Alanis Morissette): 250 entries in 25 charts
- Ain't It Funny (Jennifer Lopez): 366 entries in 27 charts
- In The End (Linkin Park ): 304 entries in 21 charts
- A New Day Has Come (Celine Dion): 260 entries in 29 charts
- Wherever You Will Go (Calling): 358 entries in 24 charts
- Drops Of Jupiter (tell Me) (Train): 238 entries in 17 charts

Also take a look @ this next article on a charting UK phenom & what they are all about - read about it here but pay close attention to the ages and demographics of the group and its obvious core audience:
http://www.billboard.com/billboard/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1630998

And also, dont forget the Billboard top 10 singles as they really do set the pace or tone for the rest of the world IMHO:
http://www.billboard.com/billboard/charts/hot100.jsp

I just dont get a hint or whiff or Carlos Santana or Vai here in these charts or find anything other than what is for the most part comin from The USA and being exported and consumed in mass quatities worldwide -.with the exception being some middle eastern, african and asian countries.

but most stuff - music wise & around the world and especially in Europe, IMHO is directly fronm the USA & again comin on strong on all nations charts or rather the music of other countries emulates the stuff from the usa in many ways.

But Im also sure that all of the peoples in those aformentioned countries which may not be fully USA saturated in terms of its pop culture, do know who P-Diddy is more than they will ever know of Carlos Santana or Steve Vai or Zappa.

But these days IMHO everybody seems to keep score.

even kids know what the top 10 grossing movies of the week are at box offices as they keep certainly keep track of who is number one on the charts more than ever IMHO as the DJ's on air point it out, the artists themselves point it out and point to who is top dog.

But for an interesting perspective on all of this new state of the music biz ( actually old news ) plug steve vai or santana into the aforementioned numbers/ trends from around the world and based upon what types of genres and styles and artists you see charting, and its like talking about and also arguing about apples and cadavers & thinkin theres life in a corpse

Personally I like and still listen to Vai, Zappa and Carlos and have been influenced by everything I hear.

But in the business of music, IMHO that dont count for a can of refried beans unless my music is selling those beans and getting me a cut of the action regadless as to whether its rock n roll, nu metal or crap :)

Warmest Regards,
John Price/AKASH
"The World's Most Erotic Band"
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic
"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"



 --part1_78.2bba1ba3.2a9bb27f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 12:39:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16848; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:39:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:39:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020826163743.41408.qmail@web12002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:37:43 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: Re: checking in ohio To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200208260545.BAA29815@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 1)where you live: MOVING TO OBERLIN, OH TOMORROW 2)where you would like to perform (a city or a region) OBERLIN, CLEVELAND, 3) whether you have the desire to perform in any other region NEW YORK, PHILLY, DC, 4) would you be willing to host a fellow looper or loopers at a local WOULD CERTAINLY BE WILLING TO TRY 5) would you be willing to put a performer up at your home during the length of their stay YOU WANNA SLEEP ON MY DORM ROOM FLOOR? ;'p SERIOUSLY THOUGH, IF WE DID SOMETHING IN OBERLIN, THERE ARE PLENTY OF PLACES TO STAY, AND IF WE DID IT THROUGH THE COLLEGE, THERE MAY EVEN BE GUEST HOUSING AVAILABLE. RICK, I AM LOVING THE NEW CD, AND IF YOU WANT TO COME TO OBERLIN FOR A PERFORMANCE/DEMONSTRATION/SEMINAR AT THE SCHOOL, I'M SURE I CAN WORK IT OUT. THE HEAD OF MY DEPARTMENT (TECHNOLOGY AND MUSIC AND RELATED ARTS) IS ALSO A WINDSYNTHESIZER GUY, AND I'M SURE HE'LL BE VERY INTRIGUED WHEN I PLAY HIM THE CD. CHEERS, PHIL ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 12:49:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18103; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:47:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:47:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020826164559.55391.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:45:59 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: OPEN LOOP on aug 24 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200208261622.MAA15302@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just wanted to say thanks again to tom and steve for taking the time to do open loop. it was a great time this weekend, we really had some nice moments w/everyone's noise coming through the system together, w/ thanks to tom's constant remixing efforts. even though that apparently was NOT appreciated by the fellow in the corner. ;') you guys were very welcoming and chill, i had fun. thanks fer letting use yer gear, steve! cheers, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 12:53:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18583; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:50:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:50:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D6A5C08.9040201@cabq.gov> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:49:12 -0600 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CHECKING IN (New Mexico, USA) References: <55.2c63db5a.2a9ba95c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > >>1) where you live . . . >> Albuquerque, New Mexico >>2) where you would like to perform (a city or a region) . . . >> Rocky Mountain Region (NM/Colorado) >>3) whether you have the desire to perform in any other region . . . >> perhaps someday, but not really soon. have yet to peform loop stuff in front of folks. >>4) would you be willing to host a fellow looper or loopers >>at a local venue (by producing the event yourself) if they >>came in from out of town to play a show with you -- the >>mini-looping festival approach . . . >> not really ready to be producing/hosting events yet. maybe in the future. >>5) would you be willing to put a performer up at your >>home during the length of their stay . . . >> definitly yes. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 13:01:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20806; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:00:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:00:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:59:14 EDT Subject: Re: Loop V request (was Re: A/B switch for Echoplex) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Just get a decent midi controller. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 13:05:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21114; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:03:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:03:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C24D22.214F7F00" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:00:50 -0500 Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CFBC@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Thread-Index: AcJMUQoKceX/jEjXQsaC+VasFjy9wwA0KiQA From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24D22.214F7F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable for what it's worth, i'm a guy who loved santana when i was 17; and i love = korn now . . . and dig linkin park too.=20 =20 the sex pistols weren't really on the charts, but i'd have to say the were = certainly influential when they were around - - and for years later. all de= spite the fact that they didn't have huge sales a la brittany, etc. i'm not= sure it always comes down to $ale$.=20 =20 but yeah, your average 17-year-old is probably gonna listen to the music th= at speaks to their time/generation. santana and all did just that in their = day and korn et al do it today.=20 =20 the clash are now selling their catalog to jaguar as well. (it totally gaul= s me to hear london calling on that ad . . . working for the cash-in/clampd= own indeed.) =20 things have their time and then become history. =20 stig =20 =20 =20 =20 Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information= intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the= reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or age= nt responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any disseminati= on, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sende= r does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to = your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, = or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in err= or, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24D22.214F7F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
for=20 what it's worth, i'm a guy who loved santana when i was 17; and i love korn= now=20 . . . and dig linkin park too.
 
the=20 sex pistols weren't really on the charts, but i'd have to say the were cert= ainly=20 influential when they were around - - and for years later. all despite the = fact=20 that they didn't have huge sales a la brittany, etc. i'm not sure it always= comes down to $ale$.
 
but=20 yeah, your average 17-year-old is probably gonna listen to the music that s= peaks=20 to their time/generation. santana and all did just that in their day and ko= rn et=20 al do it today.
 
the=20 clash are now selling their catalog to jaguar as well. (it totally gauls me= to=20 hear london calling on that ad . . . working for the cash-in/clampdown=20 indeed.)
 
things=20 have their time and then become history.
 
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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24D22.214F7F00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 13:06:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20481; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:59:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:59:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.187.131.30] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Some interesting JamMan experiments Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:56:11 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2002 16:56:12.0290 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B9C5E20:01C24D21] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all... With all the recent, and never-ending, posts on the amazing abilities of both the EDP and Repeater, I thought I might toss in some relevant tidbits about the much maligned and greatly outdated JamMan. In the absence of a 'peater or EDP (tho there is about to be some news on that front) of my own, I have been pushing the limits of my JamMan. I recently put in a new upgrade chip from Bob Sellon (my previous efforts with this wre plagued by a bug), and lo and behold the results are fascinating. 1) Multiple loops running simultaneously: One of the great flaws of the JM was it was set up more as a "phrase sampler" designed, methinks, to allow grtists to set up rhythm patterns which they could endlessly solo over ad nauseum. And while you could select up to 8 different loops, they each had to be run seperately. With the new upgrade, lops can be run simultaneously, thus aloowing greater laying possibilities. Add to this that each loop has its own independent fade, replace, mute, restart and pan position within a stereo field (that right, stereo), this opens up a whole new horizon of inter-active looping with this box. 2) loops can be inverted...much as on the DL4 or Boomerrang. 3) there is now included a seperate, and adjustable (even programmable) delay feature which may be applied pre-looping. 4) Although the loops themselves cannot be stored, the setup (pan, level, MIDI Channnel, feedback, delay level) can be stored in memory on different pages which are footswitch accessible, allowing different setups to be "played" in a perfomance". 5) a mellotron like sample playback feature allows loops to be pitched and played from a midi kybrd of CC pedal. None of this really puts the JamBoy into the league of the Repeater or EDP, but it does open up new roads of creative looping with this archaic device. The interface for the upgrade is really not the easiest to navigate, and requires some forethought, but nonetheless iy si a helluva improvement. With solo bass I have been greatly enjoying useing multiple loops which I can fade (up or down) and create new mixes, mute at will, and replace as other loops are running (kinda tosses away the filling up the box and stopping paradigm which I know irks Kim to no end ). The assignable and r/t controllable pan allows loops to "slide" in under others, whether in stereo or mono, sometimes acting as a rather crude "undo" function. ...and all of this is possible sans-midi! (If any of you remember my MIDI meltdown at Loopstock, you can imagine my joy of being able to do this with just two Digitech FS300 footswitches!). But, on the other hand, hearing all about the marvels of LoopIV, and playing some duets with Andre (that EDP uber-badass!) really opened my eyes and ears to the wonders of that box...as did Bill Walker's incredible Repeater displays of late. That, in a way led me to really digging into the JamMan (which along with my DL4, are my looping tools thus far), and working it until I could, as has been noted on recent threads, turn what might have been designed as an fx box into an interactive instrument. ....and, I might note, as soon as my escrow closes I am ordering an new EDP. Next thing, I suppose, is to send Kim a check for Loop IV and take some private lessons with Andre! Yours in loopage, Max _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 13:10:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21822; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:09:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:09:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020826170741.71058.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:07:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: How To Sell Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825123947.03951ab0@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 09:09 PM 8/24/2002, Bruce Comens wrote: > > the EDP sort of is like that though. If you look at a rack of gear > you can > instantly tell if an EDP is in it because they look different from > everything else and really stand out. Similar with the echoplex > pedal. The > color is distinctive, and at least the way I originally designed it, > it had > the Oberheim logo across the back in the biggest possible letters > that > would fit. That was exactly so when somebody was using it on stage, > the > back of the pedal would face the audience so everybody would see what > it said. Kim, Have you forgotten? This list long ago told you that if you just redesign the faceplate with nicer fonts and prettier colors the EDP will fly out the music store doors! Then put a sticker on it saying 'As Seen on TV' and 'Millions sold daily'. Or maybe a 'signature' model of the EDP with Matthias handwritten signature on it. How about an edp with a heated 'aromatic' vapor dispenser to get those sweet loopy smells going? Then, even if you don't sell many more EDP you get the return business on the line of Genuine Gibson loop oils. What looping devices Really need to induce sales is a good scandal- Killer Serial Looper in our Midst? (UPI) 'Echoplex Digital Pro kills Santanas bassist when deadly combination of notes were played in reverse, at half speed. Dozens in audience maimed or injured. Gibson Guitars USA warns stores worldwide to remove Echoplex Digital Pros from their shelves until further investigation is performed on the killer looper by FBI forensic laboratories. Kim Flint, one of the engineers responsible for this device, was interviewed on CNN saying 'You can't hold us responsible for what people put into their EDP. It's up to the parents to make sure their kids are playing safely. You really should know what you kids are doing. Besides, it (the edp) is UL and CE approved.' Kim's neighbors are interviewed 'He seemed like a really nice man, I don't know why he would do this to innocent children.' Andre LaFosse, reported EDP expert went on the record saying 'I've used the EDP in every conceivable fasion, and the worst that ever happened to me was I got a headache'. Film at 11:00. bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 13:11:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22083; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:10:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:10:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:09:48 -0700 From: Andrew Pask Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist In-reply-to: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CFBC@mitorexch01.maritz.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/26/02 10:00 AM, Liebig, Steuart A. at Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com or somebody wrote: > the clash are now selling their catalog to jaguar as well. (it totally gauls > me to hear london calling on that ad . . . working for the cash-in/clampdown > indeed.) Oh god that blew my mind... What a drag. It was semi ok when it was Sting selling those cars, he's an idiot anyway, but this? I remember in Hong Kong there was an ad on TV for Mercedes Benz with that song of aaaargh can't remember her name "my friends all drive porsches, I must make amends/ Oh lord won't you buy me/ A mer-cedes benz" Irony, what irony? Cheers A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 13:19:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22682; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:17:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:17:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:15:32 -0500 Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CFBD@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Thread-Index: AcJNI9BJt+LNtr5JSLydMzwXKFZAeAAAGAhg From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA22571 Resent-Message-ID: <1OtElC.A.6gF.6Jma9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh god that blew my mind... What a drag. ** particularly because of their political vibe. hypocritical int eh final analysis - - at least mine. I remember in Hong Kong there was an ad on TV for Mercedes Benz with that song of aaaargh can't remember her name "my friends all drive porsches, I must make amends/ Oh lord won't you buy me/ A mer-cedes benz" ** janis joplin, kris kristopherson wrote the tune. you displace the context and their is no irony . . . stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 13:25:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23298; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:22:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:22:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: How To Sell Loopers Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:19:45 -0500 Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CFBE@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: How To Sell Loopers Thread-Index: AcJNI9yZf2fUfv3uSPeku8kA2f/1AwAANwbg From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA23175 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have you forgotten? This list long ago told you that if you just redesign the faceplate with nicer fonts and prettier colors the EDP will fly out the music store doors! Then put a sticker on it saying 'As Seen on TV' and 'Millions sold daily'. ** or maybe a ron jeremy-hosted infomercial with some of the dean girls oohing and ahhing over an edp. "it'll increase your loops 25% - - and give you (nodding at dean bimbette) more pleasure" "that goes without saying" (bimbette nods approvingly/adoringly) stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 13:28:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24110; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:27:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:27:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <17.2d672ec9.2a9bbeaf@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:26:07 EDT Subject: RE: Do you even know the definition of the word influential?! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_17.2d672ec9.2a9bbeaf_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10514 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_17.2d672ec9.2a9bbeaf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/26/2002 9:01:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rs@moinlabs.de writes: > I don't think you're > right regarding the underlying "the kids don't listen to good stuff anymore Thats not what I'm saying at all. I'm not even going "there" as I dont think people today care to know/discern what is "good "or "bad" or even have it pointed out to them as that no one really cares anymore. Again, people are into stuff they can already see and observe for themselves that other people are into and make choices based upon what they see others doing and especially so in todays Music Biz consujer side of the equation - 12-21 bein the hot ticket #/demographic. & Good and bad dont really matter as much anymore as that you as an act/artist are whatever you are branded to be and for or, you are just marginalized if u cant fit in and you are not on anyone's radar. I would personally not wanna be on anyones radar than my own self propelled spaceship running on music and my own direct tie ins etc that can fincane my path ( al al sun ra mythology ) that music has charted out for me - theres gotta be a middle ground somewhere - dont know if that is possible in a world where either u sell big or meet targeted numbers or u are a nobody. and consumers taste these days is more of a group thing now more than an individual preference... That really flies hard against the face of most of what us old farts ( Im an old fart too ) cherish or were drawn to when we began our realtionship with music IMHO But again IMHO more or less people dont care for seeking or finding more than what is put in fromt of them - is that stupid? i dont think so just yet. and in terms of what music is available today from just the sheer quantity of it that is out there, that sure is a full plate to eat from ( some foods healthy or unhealthy but people dont care IMHO ) and more than adequete food for folks with attention spans which are dwindling as we type these words. & to get through IMHO to people a sizable and bankable demographic - 12-21 these days, it requires "supplemantal stimulation" & many associations on levels that bombard and are repetitively are introduced and thusly reintroduced and seen over and over again - thru various products & more than just the music which by our old fart thinking, should be plenty to sell people on and say it all; but thats a naieve perspective IMHO. & again are people stupid? Well...I dont wanna be that cynical and think that people are stupip as I think people/masses/consumers have traditionally never considered music to be as important as musicians see their music. But it is very easy to dismiss people as stupid when in fact all i can say is that my experience of music may not necessarily be someone elses experience. As my experience & definition of brilliance & joy may be someone elses annoyance. but then just who is right? I dont personally care or need to know who is right or wrong. Though, I am aware of the market place as that part of the performance IMHO of - any - musician is not just in the studio or on stage or in your practicing or in the part where u feel so creative, vital & connected but rather the greatest part of a musicians performance largely takes place when they are not doing anything other than being perceived as that a performance never ends for a musician - even when you are dead - Elvis best example of this in term sof his sales in death But that ongoing performance awareness is the largest part of any musicians career IMHO - getting perceived - and then - recognized - and thusly fairly compensated for work performed ...& often it dont work in that order or with that logic or fairness most times:) but regardless as to any perception I may have about music or anyody elses music, I dont think i wanna believe people are stupid just yet. Warmest Regards, John Price/AKASH "The World's Most Erotic Band" http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" --part1_17.2d672ec9.2a9bbeaf_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/26/2002 9:01:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rs@moinlabs.de writes:

I don't think you're
right regarding the underlying "the kids don't listen to good stuff anymore


Thats not what I'm saying at all.

I'm not even going "there" as I dont think people today care to know/discern what is "good "or "bad" or even have it pointed out to them as that no one really cares anymore.

Again, people are into stuff they can already see and observe for themselves that other people are into and make choices based upon what they see others doing and especially so in todays Music Biz consujer side of the equation - 12-21 bein the hot ticket #/demographic.

& Good and bad dont really matter as much anymore as that you as an act/artist are whatever you are branded to be and for or, you are just marginalized if u cant fit in and you are not on anyone's radar.

I would personally not wanna be on anyones radar than my own self propelled spaceship running on music and my own direct tie ins etc that can fincane my path ( al al sun ra mythology ) that music has charted out for me - theres gotta be a middle ground somewhere - dont know if that is possible in a world where either u sell big or meet targeted numbers or u are a nobody.

and consumers taste these days is more of a group thing now more than an individual preference...

That really flies hard against the face of most of what us old farts ( Im an old fart too ) cherish or were drawn to when we began our realtionship with music IMHO

But again IMHO more or less people dont care for seeking or finding more than what is put in fromt of them - is that stupid?

i dont think so just yet.

and in terms of what music is available today from just the sheer quantity of it that is out there,  that sure is a full plate to eat from ( some foods healthy or unhealthy but people dont care IMHO ) and more than adequete food for folks with attention spans which are dwindling as we type these words.

& to get through IMHO to people a sizable and bankable demographic - 12-21 these days, it requires "supplemantal stimulation" & many associations on levels that bombard and are repetitively are introduced and thusly reintroduced and seen over and over again - thru various products & more than just the music which by our old fart thinking, should be plenty to sell people on and say it all; but thats a naieve perspective IMHO.

& again are people stupid?

Well...I dont wanna be that cynical and think that people are stupip as I think people/masses/consumers have traditionally never considered music to be as important as musicians see their music.

But it is very easy to dismiss people as stupid when in fact all i can say is that my experience of music may not necessarily be someone elses experience.

As my experience & definition of brilliance & joy may be someone elses annoyance.

but then just who is right?

I dont personally care or need to know who is right or wrong.

Though, I am aware of the market place as that part of the performance IMHO of - any - musician is not just in the studio or on stage or in your practicing or in the part where u feel so creative, vital & connected but rather the greatest part of a musicians performance largely takes place when they are not doing anything other than being perceived as that a performance never ends for a musician - even when you are dead - Elvis best example of this in term sof his sales in death

But that ongoing performance awareness is the largest part of any musicians career IMHO - getting perceived  - and then - recognized - and thusly fairly compensated for work performed ...& often it dont work in that order or with that logic or fairness most times:)

but regardless as to any perception I may have about music or anyody elses music, I dont think i wanna believe people are stupid just yet.

Warmest Regards,
John Price/AKASH
"The World's Most Erotic Band"
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic
"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"
 --part1_17.2d672ec9.2a9bbeaf_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 13:35:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24841; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:34:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:34:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c24d26$d0933700$0101a8c0@o4z6b8> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <78.2bba1ba3.2a9bb27f@aol.com> Subject: Re: Nu Metal vs. Steve Vai vs. Santana Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:34:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C24D37.938C9840" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Messaggio in formato MIME composto da più parti. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C24D37.938C9840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Apart from the fact that every MAJOR label has his own charts, but here = in Italy there is something called the FESTIVAL DI SANREMO, that is the = festival of Italian music. Since it is not directed from one major or = another, it is more or less a good view on the Italian COMMERCIAL music = panorama. Since we are talking of INFLUENCES, try to take a listen to = the music, instead of just looking as some charts on the net. There is = also a group whose guitarist (and I think he is 16 or 17 years old) uses = a Steve Vai Jem Guitar and plays solos in the good old 80's way (the = group is Gazosa, shitty music, but they sell a lot here).=20 OASIS are a major selling group, and they only play beatles and sixties = songs re-arranged. Blur the same. Travis, Train etc the same.=20 The last Britney hit was I LOVE ROCK'N'ROLL. It is an old hard-rock = anthem, by Joan Jett. Incubus try to write seventies music, and so do many top-chart groups. = Where is the influence?=20 And for really Shitty music, who is Enrique Iglesias guitar player live? = A certain GREG HOWE, an eighties guitar monster, who still make fusion = albums. Who did play guitar in the Mtv music awards with Nelly Furtado? = STEVE VAI.=20 No Doubt made success with Ska. Ska is a tipical year two thousand new = musical genre, ain't it? And, since we were talking 'bout influences, it may seem strange to you, = but every musician (and DJ) I know knows who the f**k frank zappa was, = or steve vai is, or santana is and has some music made by them. Steve = Vai recently went gold or platinum here with one of his last albums.Is = he in the charts, NOT. Santana went Platinum with his last album, in many nations, and, before = this album, who the f**k did know who Nelly the rapper is? Now he is in = the charts. Before the santana's album not. Listen to mtv's Nu-metal bands, aren't they all influenced by some = eighties and even seventies music? The last SUM41 hit single (from Spiderman OST) is only a variation on = the theme of Fight for your Rights by Beastie Boys. Did you recognize = the man who do the solo in the middle? a certain KERRY KING, of Slayer. = Pure eighties, and the piece went high in the world charts. Bon Jovi still charts high, and he is old eighties hard rock (well, now = rock'n'roll), and Sambora's strat still sells well. Fender has made a = new Clapton strat this year, as a new Ritchie Blackmore model. I think = that this means that those models still sell well. Apart from that... Is metal ever been in the charts? and in the eighties = it was one of the best-selling musical genres. And everyone seemed to = have a bc-rich guitar, or a jackson etc.etc.etc. (and lita ford and = other real farts like that who got on the charts weren't metal and = didn't really sell that much). Did metal sell instruments? YES. Was it big in the charts? NO ----- Original Message -----=20 From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 6:34 PM Subject: Re: Nu Metal vs. Steve Vai vs. Santana In a message dated 8/26/2002 1:40:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, = Luigimeloni74@libero.it writes: The WORLD is not the US. Here in Italy, for example, is full of 70's and 80's influenced = bands, even in the charts. Question: Where are these bands you talk about and on what charts are = do they actually appear? Other than say Aerosmith who are the perhaps the only other old farts = left who score on the top 10 ( actaully, as I think about it, ya also = gotta factor in James Taylor, Celine Dion and Bruce Springsteen + Phil = Collins & maybe sting ). but Aerosmith & JT/Phil C, etc aint adding = anybody new to their sales roster as their demographic is well over 35 = and the purchase of a JT or Areosmith CD is about all the music their = respectvive audiences will buy thruout an entire year.=20 That old fart demographic pretty much tends to listen to music they = already have purchased years ago and will buy maybe one or 2 new items a = year. and if the old fart demographic does make more purchases than its = usual one or 2 it is to buy an old album they had on vinyl that is now = out on CD or somethin to that effect and more often its to buy the = latest Britanny, Shakira, Ashanti, Nelly, P-Diddy, O-Town, N-Sync, = Jah-Rule, Pink, Avril Lavigne, etc..thats wwhat is keepin the music = industry aflot IMHO - not the old farts. But @ least sting is hip enuff to get the ancient police material as = sampled and out there as much possible as he could for hip hop artists = in order to keep his ancient stuff in younger hands. So really IMHO the old farts demographics dont count( in a quick and = steady cash flow sense) much at all. & more significatly the old farts dont have other merchandise which = they are tied into that sells fashions or other merchadise which is = bankable and image expanding with a consumer market that expanding and = voratiously ( spelling?) consuming IMHO. When you can sell your own line of Clothing with your autograph on = them based upon the name and brand recognition you have as an "artist" = that is really what influential means today and is really what is your = paycheck more than making CD's and right behind the $$$ u make from = touring. & Sting if i recall, was recently hawking Jaguars. & Im suddenly realizin Sting is an old fart who definietely aint no = dummy. and Sting is clearly a leader in terms of keepin himself relevant and = adapting to marrket conditions IMHO. Stig's music today is something I wont comment on but the point is = today, no one has to be good or bad anymore in as much as the way to be = relevant is to have a perception about you or by becoming branded in the = very marketable imagery you need to sell ( anything really ) so it = sticks to u. & remember that Carlos got an image upgrade from Wyclef Jean ( = whose career now aint seelin that much product these days ) and The guy = who sang that big hit ( as was pointed out earlier by Kim methinks ).=20 But do ck these links out re: Europe & The USA and In particular = Italy, please see 1st link mentioned:=20 http://top40-charts.com/chart.php?cid=3D18 http://top40-charts.com/chart.php?cid=3D31 http://top40-charts.com/chart.php?cid=3D14 & do take a look at these off the cuff stats from top-40-charts.com's = front page: - Paid My Dues (Anastacia): 289 entries in 20 charts=20 - Hero (Enrique Iglesias): 450 entries in 26 charts=20 - Escape (Enrique Iglesias): 282 entries in 23 charts=20 - Without Me (Eminem): 344 entries in 30 charts=20 - Don't Let Me Get Me (Pink): 269 entries in 24 charts=20 - Underneath Your Clothes (Shakira): 246 entries in 24 charts=20 - Hey Baby (No Doubt): 238 entries in 24 charts=20 - Whenever, Wherever (Shakira): 527 entries in 25 charts=20 - Hands Clean (Alanis Morissette): 250 entries in 25 charts=20 - Ain't It Funny (Jennifer Lopez): 366 entries in 27 charts=20 - In The End (Linkin Park ): 304 entries in 21 charts=20 - A New Day Has Come (Celine Dion): 260 entries in 29 charts=20 - Wherever You Will Go (Calling): 358 entries in 24 charts=20 - Drops Of Jupiter (tell Me) (Train): 238 entries in 17 charts=20 Also take a look @ this next article on a charting UK phenom & what = they are all about - read about it here but pay close attention to the = ages and demographics of the group and its obvious core audience:=20 = http://www.billboard.com/billboard/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_= id=3D1630998 And also, dont forget the Billboard top 10 singles as they really do = set the pace or tone for the rest of the world IMHO: http://www.billboard.com/billboard/charts/hot100.jsp I just dont get a hint or whiff or Carlos Santana or Vai here in these = charts or find anything other than what is for the most part comin from = The USA and being exported and consumed in mass quatities worldwide = -.with the exception being some middle eastern, african and asian = countries. but most stuff - music wise & around the world and especially in = Europe, IMHO is directly fronm the USA & again comin on strong on all = nations charts or rather the music of other countries emulates the stuff = from the usa in many ways. But Im also sure that all of the peoples in those aformentioned = countries which may not be fully USA saturated in terms of its pop = culture, do know who P-Diddy is more than they will ever know of Carlos = Santana or Steve Vai or Zappa. But these days IMHO everybody seems to keep score. even kids know what the top 10 grossing movies of the week are at box = offices as they keep certainly keep track of who is number one on the = charts more than ever IMHO as the DJ's on air point it out, the artists = themselves point it out and point to who is top dog. But for an interesting perspective on all of this new state of the = music biz ( actually old news ) plug steve vai or santana into the = aforementioned numbers/ trends from around the world and based upon what = types of genres and styles and artists you see charting, and its like = talking about and also arguing about apples and cadavers & thinkin = theres life in a corpse=20 Personally I like and still listen to Vai, Zappa and Carlos and have = been influenced by everything I hear. But in the business of music, IMHO that dont count for a can of = refried beans unless my music is selling those beans and getting me a = cut of the action regadless as to whether its rock n roll, nu metal or = crap :) Warmest Regards, John Price/AKASH "The World's Most Erotic Band" http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C24D37.938C9840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Apart from the fact that every MAJOR = label has his=20 own charts, but here in Italy there is something called the FESTIVAL DI = SANREMO,=20 that is the festival of Italian music. Since it is not directed from one = major=20 or another, it is more or less a good view on the=20 Italian COMMERCIAL music panorama. Since we are talking = of=20 INFLUENCES, try to take a listen to the music, instead of just looking = as some=20 charts on the net. There is also a group whose guitarist (and I think he = is 16=20 or 17 years old) uses a Steve Vai Jem Guitar and plays solos in the good = old=20 80's way (the group is Gazosa, shitty music, but they sell a lot here).=20
OASIS are a major selling group,  = and they=20 only play beatles and sixties songs re-arranged. Blur the same. Travis, = Train=20 etc the same.
The last Britney hit was I LOVE = ROCK'N'ROLL. It is=20 an old hard-rock anthem, by Joan Jett.
Incubus try to write seventies music, = and so do=20 many top-chart groups. Where is the influence?
And for really Shitty music, who is = Enrique=20 Iglesias guitar player live? A certain GREG HOWE, an eighties guitar = monster,=20 who still make fusion albums. Who did play guitar in the Mtv music = awards with=20 Nelly Furtado? STEVE VAI.
No Doubt made success with Ska. Ska is = a tipical=20 year two thousand new musical genre, ain't it?
And, since we were talking 'bout = influences,=20 it may seem strange to you, but every musician (and DJ) I know knows who = the=20 f**k frank zappa was, or steve vai is, or santana is and has some music = made by=20 them. Steve Vai recently went gold or platinum here with one of his last = albums.Is he in the charts, NOT.
Santana went Platinum with his last = album, in many=20 nations, and, before this album, who the f**k did know who Nelly the = rapper is?=20 Now he is in the charts. Before the santana's album not.
Listen to mtv's Nu-metal bands, aren't = they all=20 influenced by some eighties and even seventies music?
The last SUM41 hit single (from = Spiderman OST) is=20 only a variation on the theme of Fight for your Rights by Beastie Boys. = Did you=20 recognize the man who do the solo in the middle? a certain KERRY KING, = of=20 Slayer. Pure eighties, and the piece went high in the world = charts.
Bon Jovi still charts high, and he is = old eighties=20 hard rock (well, now rock'n'roll), and Sambora's strat still sells well. = Fender=20 has made a new Clapton strat this year, as a new Ritchie Blackmore = model. I=20 think that this means that those models still sell well.
Apart from that... Is metal ever been = in the=20 charts? and in the eighties it was one of the best-selling musical = genres. And=20 everyone seemed to have a bc-rich guitar, or a jackson etc.etc.etc. (and = lita=20 ford and other real farts like that who got on the charts weren't metal = and=20 didn't really sell that much).
Did metal sell instruments? YES. Was it = big in the=20 charts? NO
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 AKASHMUSIC@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 = 6:34=20 PM
Subject: Re: Nu Metal vs. Steve = Vai vs.=20 Santana

In a=20 message dated 8/26/2002 1:40:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Luigimeloni74@libero.it=20 writes:


The WORLD is not the US.
Here in Italy, for example, = is full=20 of 70's and 80's influenced bands,  even
in the=20 charts.

Question: Where are these bands you talk about = and on what=20 charts are do they actually appear?

Other than say Aerosmith = who are=20 the perhaps the only other old farts left who score on the top 10 ( = actaully,=20 as I think about it, ya also gotta factor in James Taylor, Celine Dion = and=20 Bruce Springsteen + Phil Collins & maybe sting ). but Aerosmith = &=20 JT/Phil C, etc aint adding anybody new to their sales roster as their=20 demographic is well over 35 and the purchase of a JT or Areosmith CD = is about=20 all the music their respectvive audiences will buy thruout an entire = year.=20

That old fart demographic pretty much tends to listen to music = they=20 already have purchased years ago and will buy maybe one or 2 new items = a=20 year.

and if the old fart demographic does make more purchases = than its=20 usual one or 2 it is to buy an old album they had on vinyl that is now = out on=20 CD or somethin to that effect and more often its to buy the latest = Britanny,=20 Shakira, Ashanti, Nelly, P-Diddy, O-Town, N-Sync, Jah-Rule, Pink, = Avril=20 Lavigne, etc..thats wwhat is keepin the music industry aflot IMHO - = not the=20 old farts.

But @ least sting is hip enuff to get the ancient = police=20 material as sampled and out there as much possible as he could for hip = hop=20 artists in order to keep his ancient stuff in younger hands.

So = really=20 IMHO the old farts demographics dont count( in a quick and steady cash = flow=20 sense) much at all.

& more significatly the old farts dont = have=20 other merchandise which they are tied into that sells fashions or = other=20 merchadise which is bankable and image expanding with a consumer = market that=20 expanding and voratiously ( spelling?) consuming IMHO.

When you = can=20 sell your own line of Clothing with your autograph on them based upon = the name=20 and brand recognition you have as an "artist" that is really what = influential=20 means today and is really what is your paycheck more than making CD's = and=20 right behind the $$$ u make from touring.

& Sting if i = recall, was=20 recently hawking Jaguars.

& Im suddenly realizin Sting is = an old=20 fart who definietely aint no dummy.

and Sting is clearly a = leader in=20 terms of keepin himself relevant and adapting to marrket conditions=20 IMHO.

Stig's music today is something I wont comment on but the = point=20 is today, no one has to be good or bad anymore in as much as the way = to be=20 relevant is to have a perception about you or by becoming branded in = the very=20 marketable imagery you need to sell ( anything really ) so it sticks = to=20 u.

   & remember that Carlos got an image upgrade = from=20 Wyclef Jean (   whose career now aint seelin that much = product these=20 days ) and The guy who sang that big hit ( as was pointed out earlier = by Kim=20 methinks ).

But do ck these links out re: Europe & The USA = and In=20 particular Italy, please see 1st link mentioned:=20 =

http://top40-charts.com/chart.php?cid=3D18
http://top40-charts= .com/chart.php?cid=3D31
http://top40-charts.com/chart.php?cid=3D14
=
&=20 do take a look at these off the cuff stats from top-40-charts.com's = front=20 page:
- P= aid My=20 Dues (Anastacia): 289 entries in 20 charts
- H= ero=20 (Enrique Iglesias): 450 entries in 26 charts
- E= scape=20 (Enrique Iglesias): 282 entries in 23 charts
- W= ithout=20 Me (Eminem): 344 entries in 30 charts
- D= on't Let Me=20 Get Me (Pink): 269 entries in 24 charts
- U= nderneath=20 Your Clothes (Shakira): 246 entries in 24 charts
- H= ey Baby=20 (No Doubt): 238 entries in 24 charts
- W= henever,=20 Wherever (Shakira): 527 entries in 25 charts
- H= ands=20 Clean (Alanis Morissette): 250 entries in 25 charts
- Ai= n't It=20 Funny (Jennifer Lopez): 366 entries in 27 charts
- I= n The=20 End (Linkin Park ): 304 entries in 21 charts
- A= New Day=20 Has Come (Celine Dion): 260 entries in 29 charts
- W= herever You=20 Will Go (Calling): 358 entries in 24 charts
- Dr= ops Of=20 Jupiter (tell Me) (Train): 238 entries in 17 charts

Also = take a=20 look @ this next article on a charting UK phenom & what they are = all about=20 - read about it here but pay close attention to the ages and = demographics of=20 the group and its obvious core audience:=20 =
http://www.billboard.com/billboard/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_cont= ent_id=3D1630998

And=20 also, dont forget the Billboard top 10 singles as they really do set = the pace=20 or tone for the rest of the world=20 IMHO:
http://www.billboard.com/billboard/charts/hot100.jsp

I = just=20 dont get a hint or whiff or Carlos Santana or Vai here in these charts = or find=20 anything other than what is for the most part comin from The USA and = being=20 exported and consumed in mass quatities worldwide -.with the exception = being=20 some middle eastern, african and asian countries.

but most = stuff -=20 music wise & around the world and especially in Europe, IMHO is = directly=20 fronm the USA & again comin on strong on all nations charts or = rather the=20 music of other countries emulates the stuff from the usa in many=20 ways.

But Im also sure that all of the peoples in those = aformentioned=20 countries which may not be fully USA saturated in terms of its pop = culture, do=20 know who P-Diddy is more than they will ever know of Carlos Santana or = Steve=20 Vai or Zappa.

But these days IMHO everybody seems to keep=20 score.

even kids know what the top 10 grossing movies of the = week are=20 at box offices as they keep certainly keep track of who is number one = on the=20 charts more than ever IMHO as the DJ's on air point it out, the = artists=20 themselves point it out and point to who is top dog.

But for an = interesting perspective on all of this new state of the music biz ( = actually=20 old news ) plug steve vai or santana into the aforementioned numbers/ = trends=20 from around the world and based upon what types of genres and styles = and=20 artists you see charting, and its like talking about and also arguing = about=20 apples and cadavers & thinkin theres life in a corpse =

Personally I=20 like and still listen to Vai, Zappa and Carlos and have been = influenced by=20 everything I hear.

But in the business of music, IMHO that dont = count=20 for a can of refried beans unless my music is selling those beans and = getting=20 me a cut of the action regadless as to whether its rock n roll, nu = metal or=20 crap :)

Warmest Regards,
John Price/AKASH
"The World's = Most=20 Erotic=20 = Band"
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic
"R= emember=20 To Always Kill Your Expectations"



------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C24D37.938C9840-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 13:38:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24675; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:32:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:32:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <155.1319d6cd.2a9bbfa8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:30:16 EDT Subject: Re: How To Sell Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_155.1319d6cd.2a9bbfa8_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10514 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_155.1319d6cd.2a9bbfa8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/26/2002 10:22:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes: > or maybe a ron jeremy-hosted infomercial with some of the dean girls oohing > and ahhing over an edp. > Now thats an idea... I for one know that I would love to be Ron Jeremy in all his girth and lenghtwise dimensions... and to have the choices he has in terms of co-stars :) And just think of all the Loops he has been in for almost 30 years. Ron Jeremy more than Fripp is my "looping" God :) Warmest Regards, John Price/AKASH "The World's Most Erotic Band" http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" --part1_155.1319d6cd.2a9bbfa8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/26/2002 10:22:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes:


or maybe a ron jeremy-hosted infomercial with some of the dean girls oohing and ahhing over an edp.


Now thats an idea...

I for one know that I would love to be Ron Jeremy in all his girth and lenghtwise dimensions... and to have the choices he has in terms of co-stars :)

And just think of all the Loops he has been in for almost 30 years.

Ron Jeremy more than Fripp is my "looping" God :)

Warmest Regards,
John Price/AKASH
"The World's Most Erotic Band"
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic
"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"
 --part1_155.1319d6cd.2a9bbfa8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 13:40:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25593; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:39:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:39:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00c201c24cb5$399a4bc0$1064f93f@global> References: <200208251602.MAA17256@hemlock.violacea.com> <00c201c24cb5$399a4bc0$1064f93f@global> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:03:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: CHECKING IN (Oregon) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >1)where you live Corvallis, Oregon > >2)where you would like to perform (a city or a region) Eugene, Portland, Olympia, Seattle, points between. > >3) whether you have the desire to perform in any other region (many people >who played the Y2K2 LOOPFEST in Santa Cruz, California made the festival an >excuse to take a vacation. Some even flew in from elsewhere to do so. Desire, yes, ability, probably not, unfortunately. > >and finally, > >4) would you be willing to host a fellow looper or loopers at a local venue >(by producing the event yourself) if they came in from out of town to play a >show with you----- the mini-looping festival approach. While a local (Corvallis) looping fest is pretty unlikely, I'd gladly help out with organizing a Portland or Eugene event. I've got a fair amount of experience organizing similar events. Would gladly help travelling loopers set up gigs here in town as well, though currently venues are pretty sparse. > > >5) would you be willing to put a performer up at your home during the >length of their stay (not to exceed 3 months........no, just joking) Gladly! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 13:55:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26255; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:48:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:48:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:46:26 EDT Subject: Re: Nu Metal vs. Steve Vai vs. Santana To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ca.10400fdc.2a9bc372_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10514 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_ca.10400fdc.2a9bc372_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/26/2002 10:34:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, AKASHMUSIC@aol.com said > and if the old fart demographic does make more purchases than its usual one > or 2 it is to buy an old album they had on vinyl that is now out on CD or > somethin to that effect and more often its to buy the latest Britanny, > Shakira, Ashanti, Nelly, P-Diddy, O-Town, N-Sync, Jah-Rule, Pink, Avril > Lavigne, etc..thats wwhat is keepin the music industry aflot IMHO - not the > old farts. > Need to self corretc some some typos here as I meant to say the old fart consumer buys the P-Diddy and Britanny etc for their Kids... & thats the majority of the music purchases that Old Farts tend to make as their purchases are for someone else & usually not for themselves and namely for the 12-21 demographic. But this argument is yet again like talking about and then arguing about apples and cadavers & then thinkin there is life in a corpse. Look at the numbers, not nostalgia :) Warmest Regards, John Price/AKASH "The World's Most Erotic Band" http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" --part1_ca.10400fdc.2a9bc372_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/26/2002 10:34:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, AKASHMUSIC@aol.com said


and if the old fart demographic does make more purchases than its usual one or 2 it is to buy an old album they had on vinyl that is now out on CD or somethin to that effect and more often its to buy the latest Britanny, Shakira, Ashanti, Nelly, P-Diddy, O-Town, N-Sync, Jah-Rule, Pink, Avril Lavigne, etc..thats wwhat is keepin the music industry aflot IMHO - not the old farts.


Need to self corretc some some typos here as I meant to say the old fart consumer buys the P-Diddy and Britanny etc for their Kids...

& thats the majority of the music purchases that Old Farts tend to make as their purchases are for someone else & usually not for themselves
and namely for the 12-21 demographic.

But this argument is yet again like talking about and then arguing about apples and cadavers & then thinkin there is life in a corpse.

Look at the numbers, not nostalgia :)

Warmest Regards,
John Price/AKASH
"The World's Most Erotic Band"
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic
"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"




 --part1_ca.10400fdc.2a9bc372_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 13:55:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26837; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:55:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:55:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: tiktok@sprintmail.com Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:53:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tiktok@sprintmail.com Subject: RE: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Sender: tiktok@sprintmail.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 206.28.72.1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually, the context is just larger than you suspected. Janis Joplin was actually driving a psychedelic-painted Porsche 356 at or around that time. TH >I remember in Hong Kong there was an ad on TV >for Mercedes Benz with that >song of aaaargh can't remember her name >"my friends all drive porsches, I must make >amends/ >Oh lord won't you buy me/ >A mer-cedes benz" >** janis joplin, kris kristopherson wrote the tune. >you displace the context and their is no irony >. . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 14:02:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28684; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:59:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:59:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:39:04 -0400 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Re: Do you even know the definition of the word influential?! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3D6A67B8.5E1E8903@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_CmBvd+sffkji40C3IRewbg)" X-Accept-Language: en,zh-TW References: <78.2bb56b7a.2a9b84db@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4TQuNC.A.QpG.Uxma9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Boundary_(ID_CmBvd+sffkji40C3IRewbg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I guess when I'm talking about influence I mean "artistic inspiration," not "getting people to buy things". I realize that's not where the discussion started. Tomorrow's innovators are probably not getting their ideas from mainstream radio or MTV. That's what is great about the internet - you can seek out what turns you on, it doesn't have to be blasted at you in a mass promotion that is commercially (not artistically) motivated. AKASHMUSIC@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/26/2002 5:00:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > gwaltzer@optonline.net writes: > >> Does something have to be currently popular to be >> considered relevant? > > more or less - yup. > > But ya know, King Crimson summed themselves up quite adequetely yrs > ago in that song "I'm a dinosaur"... even they realize where they > stand perhaps more than you :) > > Another fact I'm realizing and coming to accept for myself is that I'm > 32 & about to turn 33. I strongly feel & realize that I'm simply old > now by industry standards as for the most part I am way older than the > types of musicians who sell and influence ( if u can call it that ) > other kids these days. > > & Kids may listen to classic rock & sing along, but I dont see them > droppin the cash they do on Classic Rock like will in a flash for Jah > Rule, P-Diddy or O-Town. > > The rock thing and the perspective of rock as a foundation for musical > experience is very prevalent here IMHO on LD. > > But IMHO the rock thing is way dead and the perspective it would give > ya is one that kinda clouds what and where peoples heads are at today > which is altogether different than what we (over 30 types associated > and grew up having affinity toward ). > > And this summer the hottest fashion's on the streets of Philly & NYC > it seems are Sean Jean Tee-Shirts, Sean Jean Blue Jeans and > Accessories. > > I just dont see too many Steve Miller Shirts or see many Jerry Garcia > or Fripp or Lynard Skynard Tees on the streets ( maybe down south its > a different stor ). > > However, I do see Linkin Park Tees, Korn Tees, and I do hear blarin > from cars Eminem, Ashanti, P-Diddy, Nelly, Pink, Jah Rule, Outkast, > Red Hot Chili Peppers ( another bunch of old farts but they still sell > records ). > > I dont hear people balrin JOhn Cage or Keith Tippet from car > stereos...I dont hear Lynard Skynard much from car loads of 16-19 yr > old Boys and girls on south street....I dont hear any John Coltrane > other than edited - samples of his horn in Hip-Hop grooves from > underground DJ's...I dont hear kids looking for the latest in > Brazillian Jazz and Free improv or African drumming or Gamelan music > as I dont think anybody 12-21 really knows where the Bill laswell > lies. > > & I really dont think you hear kids talking about the intricacies or > finer statements and articulations of any guitar or bass solo these > days unless you are hanging out with folks - kids ( usually over 25 > big-kid types ) who work in music stores or record collector/record > geek hole in the wall type record shops. > > I think that most kids today would say Allan Hold's what? if u were to > mention Allan Holdworth's name. > > I am convinced that most people think Soft Machine is an ice cream > machine with multiple flavors. > > I think people think yes is more or less a formal word of accepotance. > > I also suspect people think of Genesis as Genetic cloning. > > And I think that for the most part people really dont care about the > details or history or depth of any influence that the folks over 30 > have. > > The only thing folks care about is feeling entertained or seeing > something they can identify with and wanne be like for themselves - it > aint a rock n roller thats for sure. > > & I think most follk especially younger ones 12-21 ( most folks in > general do too ) loathe music they feel they would need an encylopedia > to reference or worse yet, being lectured to or having to deal with > anything that is experimental and "meandering" without referenceable > grooves and without that familiar looped beat pumpin in 4/4 dawg. > > These days, what is old is something that hasnt sold in 6months and or > that which didnt reach a sizable audience after its initial release; > thats really the definition of washed up these days by industry > standards. > > But what is old happens a lot faster these days than before as that > what is held onto is a lot less than ever b4 IMHO. --Boundary_(ID_CmBvd+sffkji40C3IRewbg) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I guess when I'm talking about influence I mean "artistic inspiration,"
not "getting people to buy things".
I realize that's not where the discussion started.

Tomorrow's innovators are probably not getting their ideas from mainstream radio or MTV. That's what is great about the internet - you can seek out what turns you on, it doesn't have to be blasted at you in a mass promotion that is commercially (not artistically) motivated.

AKASHMUSIC@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 8/26/2002 5:00:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, gwaltzer@optonline.net writes:
Does something have to be currently popular to be
considered relevant?
more or less - yup.

But ya know, King Crimson summed themselves up quite adequetely yrs ago in that song "I'm a dinosaur"... even they realize where they stand perhaps more than you :)

Another fact I'm realizing and coming to accept for myself is that I'm 32 & about to turn 33. I strongly feel & realize that I'm simply old now by industry standards as for the most part I am way older than the types of musicians who sell and influence ( if u can call it that ) other kids these days.

& Kids may listen to classic rock & sing along, but I dont see them droppin the cash they do on Classic Rock like will in a flash for Jah Rule, P-Diddy or O-Town.

The rock thing and the perspective of rock as a foundation for musical experience is very prevalent here IMHO on LD.

But IMHO the rock thing is way dead and the perspective it would give ya is one that kinda clouds what and where peoples heads are at today which is altogether different than what we (over 30 types associated and grew up having affinity toward ).

And this summer the hottest fashion's on the streets of Philly & NYC it seems are Sean Jean Tee-Shirts, Sean Jean Blue Jeans and Accessories.

I just dont see too many Steve Miller Shirts or see many Jerry Garcia or Fripp or Lynard Skynard Tees on the streets ( maybe down south its a different stor ).

However,  I do see Linkin Park Tees, Korn Tees, and I do hear blarin from cars Eminem, Ashanti, P-Diddy, Nelly, Pink, Jah Rule, Outkast, Red Hot Chili Peppers ( another bunch of old farts but they still sell records ).

I dont hear people balrin JOhn Cage or Keith Tippet from car stereos...I dont hear Lynard Skynard much from car loads of 16-19 yr old Boys and girls on south street....I dont hear any John Coltrane other than edited - samples of his horn in Hip-Hop grooves from underground DJ's...I dont hear kids looking for the latest in Brazillian Jazz and Free improv or African drumming or Gamelan music as I dont think anybody 12-21 really knows where the Bill laswell lies.

& I really dont think you hear kids talking about the intricacies or finer statements and articulations of any guitar or bass solo these days unless you are hanging out with folks - kids ( usually over 25 big-kid types ) who work in music stores or record collector/record geek hole in the wall type record shops.

I think that most kids today would say Allan Hold's what? if u were to mention Allan Holdworth's name.

I am convinced that most people think Soft Machine is an ice cream machine with multiple flavors.

I think people think yes is more or less a formal word of accepotance.

I also suspect people think of Genesis as Genetic cloning.

And I think that for the most part people really dont care about the details or history or depth of any influence that the folks over 30 have.

The only thing folks  care about is feeling entertained or seeing something they can identify with and wanne be like for themselves - it aint a rock n roller thats for sure.

& I think most follk especially younger ones 12-21 ( most folks in general do too ) loathe music they feel they would need an encylopedia to reference or worse yet, being lectured to or having to deal with anything that is experimental and "meandering" without referenceable grooves and without that familiar looped beat pumpin in 4/4 dawg.

These days, what is old is something that hasnt sold in 6months and or that which didnt reach a sizable audience after its initial release; thats really the definition of washed up these days by industry standards.

But what is old happens a lot faster these days than before as that what is held onto is a lot less than ever b4 IMHO.

--Boundary_(ID_CmBvd+sffkji40C3IRewbg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 14:04:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29257; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:03:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:03:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:53:19 -0500 Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CFC0@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Thread-Index: AcJM320+85xh6LpURCKnfCANFWRWowAPfHpQ From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA28989 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ** hey . . . You guys talk about these industry folks like they don't know this stuff, when they are the ones doing it every single day for years. By now they have it pretty well dialed in as to when endorsers are effective, when they are not, and how much to invest in it. When it isn't happening it is more because it just wasn't making sense budget or organizationally or timing-wise. ** just for the record. i don't have any real axe to grind here - - i'm just talking about the philosophy and trying to have a reasonable conversation/head session about this all - - bring up more questions than answers. But the big problem is, who are you going to use for looping endorsements that are really big enough to matter? ** . . . and would it matter? the thing about looping is that it may not have the visceral impact that is needed to get to the kids - - either musically or lyrically (the things that "get" people when they listen to popular music). But what really needs to happen is for some artists to become really huge with looping being a big part of what they do. They will be well known for looping and many people will want it because of them. Those people make the best endorsers, because they are selling the stuff even without an endorsement deal just by being who they are. I don't think there is anybody really like that out there and I'm hoping to see it change. ** right. guy with huge band has rig diagram in guit player and the copy tells how he uses looper2012xpd(tm) for "i'm crazy for your decals." the kids can go wild over the gear porn and decide they need to have one. Yes, that's something, although to me dt playing with Tori Amos is a much bigger deal since she's actually likely to get a bunch of hit singles off an album and much bigger sales. Her fans are a lot younger and more fanatical too. * sure, but this was more in the "analogy" area than in the "letter" area of the example. only severe musos are gonna listen to bowie - - or to david sylvian, who seems to have loads o' loops on some of his stuff. Still, and unfortunately, I think in both cases the focus will be on David Bowie and Tori Amos and everything else related to it will be overshadowed by them. If Tori were looping her voice and piano on her album and in concerts that would be something. ** oh yeah. this reminds me that my wife was all worried about me going out on tour with a minor pop star - - you know having girls hot for me. i asked her to remember the bass player for joan armatrading when we saw her. couldn't think of him - - i told her it would be the same with me, all eyes and ears would be on the "artist" . . . and are most people gonna watch someone twiddling knobs or stomping a footswitch in a deliberate and considered manner? maybe some types of audiences and some types of music, but i doubt that this is the sort of thing that arena acts are made of. Right now I would say real-time looping is still stuck in an early adopter stage. It's well past the beginning experimenter stage. But the early adopter stage has been going a long time and things haven't yet bloomed past that to any mass acceptance stage. In my opinion it is still in a phase where most people doing it are still figuring it out and learning how to use the ideas well enough to really incorporate it into their music. Hopefully more of them will and we can look forward to some great and compelling music in the future, music that captures the imagination and interest of a wider audience who then want to play like that too. ** yeah,. i'd have to agree with that. and then it also comes down to how much of the music is the looping. with someone like andre it seems like quite alot; with other it will much, much less. That's why I think people like Andre going out and trying to be teachers of looping is a good thing, and probably what the whole process really needs right now. ** still and all, my feeling is that stuff like that isn't going to really matter until someone does it live with a hip hop band - - maybe andre will. (no offense, not trying to say that what andre is doing now doesn't matter - - just that it doesn't matter in the scale that we're talking about; it does matter, but it's all grassroots kinda stuff still.) Is Gibson missing what window right now? Do you think there is something significantly different right now from before? I honestly don't see that window of opportunity right now, although I hope one opens sometime soon. ** just asking the question. i don't have a clue, you're better plugged in than me. To me that is the right approach at this stage. Keep things simmering along until it's really ready to take off. ** yeah. i've been involved with some very high-end bass makers and they've given up on the advert thing, all of their sales come from people seeing their instruments used by some higher profile (at least in the fusion market) players. they've found the niche that helps them to make a living, not get spectacularly rich, etc. Could they even afford to? Will spending $15,000+ (or whatever it costs) on advertising with Trey Anastasio result in more than $15,000 profit on Boomerang sales, above and beyond what they sell anyway just because he's already using it? That's a lot of Boomerangs, but that's what it would take to make such a thing worthwhile. A risky thing to contemplate with a small niche product. It might be easier to just make sure Trey is happy and keeps using it. ** you could probably do as a once or twice deal and then lick your wounds and hope you see incremental sales increase over 5 years or so. and you'd have to hope that trey (or whomever) wouldn't want huge bucks to do it. as an aside, i don't think that modulus made a killing on their "flea" model bass . . . I remember Boomerang went to the NAMM show one year. Their booth was filled with people fascinated with their pedal every time I went by. They never went to the show again, and later I recall them complaining that the cost of going ended up being far higher than the sales they ended up getting as a result. Electrix said the same this year, and I've heard it before. ** sure, and i've heard it from people who go every year as well. it's a huge pain and you don't always see much out of it, the hordes hanging around are sorta like people hanging around a carny freak show . . . That's a real danger for a small musical instrument maker. The cost of advertising is high compared to your income, and it might not do you nearly as much good as the free advertising of good musicians playing good music in front of a lot of people with your products. ** right. which could mean that this will always be a labor of love and a (small) niche market . . . stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 14:07:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28449; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:59:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:59:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:58:23 -0400 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Re: Pattern Sequencers (was Re: Repeater spotted for sale) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3D6A6C3F.AE58DEDC@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,zh-TW References: <000001c24c85$318423a0$0601a8c0@SATAN> <3.0.5.32.20020826001025.00872100@pop.earthlink.net> <3D6A2384.CC9DF9B9@optonline.net> <008101c24d1c$ee399790$62a45e82@audiows> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's not a bad characterization, though I've not heard it used before. Some step sequencers are intended to use with analog synthesizers and don't have midi (they send control voltages). Don't know of any generic description (there are a wide variety of devices). You can find out more from the Analogue Heaven or Gearhead mailing lists: http://www.code404.com/faq/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Gearhead/ David Auker wrote: > Greg, > > Are these things basically MIDI loopers? Any place where a genre > description is available? > > David > > > Notron is the king of real time step sequencers. > > But unfortunately, it is no longer made and nearly impossible to get. > > > > For new developments, check these out: > > > > http://tidalmusic.homestead.com/files/so_main_files/step-one.htm > > > > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/instruments.html > > > > http://www.technotoys.com/mikado/ > > > > Currently available step sequencers: > > > > http://www.frostwave.com/fatcontroller/index.html > > > > http://www.sospubs.co.uk/sos/feb00/articles/mamsq16.htm > > > > http://www.clavia.se/nordmodular/index.htm > > > > http://www.doepfer.de/maq_e.htm > > > > http://www.technosaurus.ch/cyclodon.htm > > > > Also, there are lots of nifty pattern sequencers (RM1x, XL-7, Electribe, > too many > > to list), as well as vintage analog gear. > > > > If you prefer software: > > > > http://algoart.com/web/softstep.htm > > > > Notron info: > > > > http://www.3phase.org/notron/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 14:17:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30446; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:15:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:15:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.6; T1.001; A1.48; B2.12; Q2.03) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:12:39 UT From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Epoch: 1030385560 X-Sasl-enc: x4GyU9KiwzmCT+ZQc4+wzA Subject: Re: Nu Metal vs. Steve Vai vs. Santana Message-Id: <20020826181239.CC6D92FD06@server3.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: <07jYNB.A.OZH.e-ma9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com True, outside of the US, 80's bands have a stronger presence. But still current bands have a stronger influence on kids, even if they like the older ones. When i was in high school, i *loved* led zeppelin, but at the same time, i knew it was old. And even though they influenced a lot of the music i listened to at the time, i was more interested in buying an ESP and looking like Metallica, than buying a les paul and playing recycled 70's riffs. I wanted to play what was new and exciting. I was into Vai too, and would've loved to have one of those JEM guitars, but that was when what he was doing was exciting and new. Then Korn came out using Universe guitars. You think their fans cared they were Vai guitars? No. Then Ibanez made a Korn model because that's what kids want. (Although i hear they didnt sell well because of the ridiculous price). 7-strings never sold that well until Korn came along, period. then more companies started making them, and dropped the prices. In fact hadn't the original Universe guitars already been discontinued for a while? And look at the whammy pedal. Steve Vai was using it, but it didn't really sell until Rage against the Machine and Pantera used it. Likewise kids don't care who originally played I Love RocknRoll. They want to hear Britney sing it. It's a Britney song now. In fact, correct me if i wrong, but it wasn;t even a Joan Jett original. Do i care what the original was? no, to me it's a Joan Jett song. And Enrique Iglesias fans don't care who is playing guitar for him. Nobody goes to his concerts to hear the guitarist, they come to see him sing and look pretty. Likewise, nobody goes to a Santana to hear the bass player. The bottom line is, kids will listen to older music, and the influences of their favorite artists. But it will not resonate with them the same way the current ones do. An endorsement wont really help the EDP unless someone comes out doing something new and exciting that a lot of people can relate to. Ernesto On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:34:21 +0200, "Luigi Meloni" said: > Apart from the fact that every MAJOR label has his own charts, but here > in Italy there is something called the FESTIVAL DI SANREMO, that is the > festival of Italian music. Since it is not directed from one major or > another, it is more or less a good view on the Italian COMMERCIAL music > panorama. Since we are talking of INFLUENCES, try to take a listen to > the music, instead of just looking as some charts on the net. There is > also a group whose guitarist (and I think he is 16 or 17 years old) > uses a Steve Vai Jem Guitar and plays solos in the good old 80's way -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm/ - IMAP accessible web-mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 14:40:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32119; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:34:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:34:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <23.232d4184.2a9bce79@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:33:29 EDT Subject: Re: Do you even know the definition of the word influential?! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_23.232d4184.2a9bce79_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10514 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_23.232d4184.2a9bce79_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/26/2002 10:59:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time, gwaltzer@optonline.net writes: > guess when I'm talking about influence I mean "artistic inspiration," > not "getting people to buy things". > Alas thats the only influence left nowadays that seems to count IMHO. Everything even that which is perceived to be non commercial is commercial ( we are all sales reps in this biz model ) the moment it is offered for public consumption. and what is offered is simply either viable or marginal in a business sense but everything including purity competes for its own space nowadays. I also cant for the life of me yet point to one single act that has been taken from concept to breaking - hits - sales - from the web... until probably as i predict IMHO when Microsoft ( very soon ) destroys what remains of the recording industry as we know it. Warmest Regards, John Price/AKASH "The World's Most Erotic Band" http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" --part1_23.232d4184.2a9bce79_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/26/2002 10:59:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time, gwaltzer@optonline.net writes:


guess when I'm talking about influence I mean "artistic inspiration,"
not "getting people to buy things".

Alas thats the only influence left nowadays that seems to count IMHO.

Everything even that which is perceived to be non commercial is commercial ( we are all sales reps in this biz model ) the moment it is offered for public consumption.

and what is offered is simply either viable or marginal in a business sense but everything including purity competes for its own space nowadays.

I also cant for the life of me yet point to one single act that has been taken from concept to breaking - hits - sales - from the web...

until probably as i predict IMHO when Microsoft ( very soon ) destroys what remains of the recording industry as we know it.

Warmest Regards,
John Price/AKASH
"The World's Most Erotic Band"
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic
"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"

 --part1_23.232d4184.2a9bce79_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 14:44:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00708; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:43:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:43:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:37:36 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Why I love the Repeater (8-track) In-reply-to: <3D692961.79B56A51@cloud9.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200208251813.OAA29256@hemlock.violacea.com> <3D692961.79B56A51@cloud9.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:00 PM -0400 8/25/02, Mountain Man wrote: >...if I'm able to get them to sync well enough to have an 8-track looper, I'll >be sure to let y'all know!! At 11:27 PM -0600 8/25/02, Goddess wrote: >I was also thinking of doing the 8-track thing as well. I also have two Repeaters, but to be truthful I haven't been using them. All of my performances over the past year have been based on my Eventides. My motivation for buying two Repeaters was threefold: 1) to take advantage of the low group-buy price offered by Alto, 2) to be able to run concurrent loops with different lengths, 3) to have 8-track capability. I initially set up some MIDI command strings in my Mitigator RFC-1 to control principal record and play functions in various combinations. I had only modest success, but to be truthful I didn't spend enough time with it to say whether the 8-track concept is feasible. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 14:48:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01073; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:46:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:46:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:44:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200208261444.AA973209836@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I'd think the mass printing should be the easy part. We've got some LD >folks here who know about such things, right? (Ya'll speak up now, hear?) > This month's magnet has an ad for places that makes stickers. www.screenart1.com prices look reasonable vs. other places that I've had stickers done. I'm all for a LoopersDelight sticker, I'm not sure if we should be spending money to promote a Gibson product however, I'm sure that they can afford to make their own stickers. Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 14:48:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32028; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:33:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:33:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:28:32 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Santana no longer influential?!?! HORSE CHIPS!!!!!! In-reply-to: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825205911.0369baa0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200208232230.SAA08096@hemlock.violacea.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020825205911.0369baa0@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:27 PM -0700 8/25/02, Kim Flint wrote: >If we are interested in how looping can grow beyond a weird little >niche, it has to become a part of popular music culture today. Aside from the obvious economic advantages, how desirable is it, really, for looping to become mainstream? I rather enjoy being part of a "weird little niche" culture. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 14:51:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01545; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:49:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:49:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020826184843.6894.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:48:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Carlos Santana To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200208260845.EAA10623@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> One of the guitarists from a band called 311, I think, did a PRS ad once, where he was playing a Santana model. I remember it because you could see that he had re-wired it, removing of the small toggle switches and replaced the other one with a larger Gibson style switch. I remember it because he had his right hand placed on the strings like we were supposed to believe he was a jazz fingerstylist or something. Besides which, I think anyone who knows guitars knows Carlos (and the rest of us, for that matter) gets his sound from his hands, not a particular guitar, amp, etc. He had an amazing tone back when he was playing the Gibsons and then later the opulently inlayed Yamaha guitars, too. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 14:54:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02033; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:52:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:52:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:43:26 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: fripp looper o o loop In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:28 AM -0400 8/26/02, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: >in the (apparently) odd way in which i diddle w/signal flow, i don't think of >the switchblade as particularly 'handy'; no substantial visual feedback from >the faceplate..... We were discussing this yesterday at our ACF Tech Salon. Peter Freeman uses the Switchblade and it does work for his particular needs, but the question of visual feedback IS critical for those who use arbitrary signal routing as part of their performance strategy. I raised that question and Peter said that there IS PC-based software for the Switchblade that gives a graphic display of the routing. If anyone has experience with this it would be interesting to hear about it. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 14:58:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02427; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:57:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:57:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004c01c24d32$4477ca40$0101a8c0@o4z6b8> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <155.1319d6cd.2a9bbfa8@aol.com> Subject: Re: How To Sell Loopers Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:56:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01C24D43.06D40120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Messaggio in formato MIME composto da più parti. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C24D43.06D40120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now I totally agree with you. Just think about 'the hidden Pam Anderson and Echo(the)plex tapes'. or 'FOUND A TAPE OF J.LO MAKING "LOOPS" WITH HER EX HUSBAND AND AN = ECHOPLEX'=20 This could be a real LOOP :-):-):-) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 7:30 PM Subject: Re: How To Sell Loopers In a message dated 8/26/2002 10:22:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, = Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes: or maybe a ron jeremy-hosted infomercial with some of the dean girls = oohing and ahhing over an edp.=20 Now thats an idea... I for one know that I would love to be Ron Jeremy in all his girth and = lenghtwise dimensions... and to have the choices he has in terms of = co-stars :) And just think of all the Loops he has been in for almost 30 years. Ron Jeremy more than Fripp is my "looping" God :) Warmest Regards, John Price/AKASH "The World's Most Erotic Band" http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C24D43.06D40120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Now I totally agree with = you.
Just think about 'the hidden Pam = Anderson and=20 Echo(the)plex tapes'.
or 'FOUND A TAPE OF J.LO = MAKING "LOOPS" WITH=20 HER EX HUSBAND AND AN ECHOPLEX' 
This could be a real LOOP
:-):-):-)
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 AKASHMUSIC@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 = 7:30=20 PM
Subject: Re: How To Sell = Loopers

In a message dated 8/26/2002 10:22:15 AM = Pacific=20 Daylight Time, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com=20 writes:


or maybe a ron jeremy-hosted infomercial with some of = the dean=20 girls oohing and ahhing over an edp. =


Now thats an idea...

I for one know = that I would=20 love to be Ron Jeremy in all his girth and lenghtwise dimensions... = and to=20 have the choices he has in terms of co-stars :)

And just think = of all=20 the Loops he has been in for almost 30 years.

Ron Jeremy more = than=20 Fripp is my "looping" God :)

Warmest Regards,
John=20 Price/AKASH
"The World's Most Erotic=20 = Band"
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic
"R= emember=20 To Always Kill Your Expectations"
 ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C24D43.06D40120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 15:06:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04176; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:05:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:05:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D6A7B7A.F9FC5F27@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:03:22 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Crimson Bashing/Relevent References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3K6YdC.A.VAB.Ouna9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, I just want to say that if you have not heard the Level 5 CD from King Crimson you're really missing what I think is some of the most interesting music (some of it loop based) being made. Also, check out the remixes on BPM&M for some of the hottest techno/jungle/drum&bass I've ever heard FROM THE SAMPLES OF FRIPP AND HIS BUDDIES PRODUCED BY THE EX DRUMMER OF... MR. MISTER! Dinosaurs didn't die because they stopped being relevent, they died because their world got hit by a really big stone. the previous message was my opinion. (my opinion just happens to be based on fact ;) ) Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 15:19:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05198; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:17:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:17:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008501c24d35$007a0f80$0101a8c0@o4z6b8> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <3D6A7B7A.F9FC5F27@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Crimson Bashing/Relevent Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:15:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <0IWxJD.A.QQB.b5na9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Which Kc cd is Level 5? I tought I had all of 'em. Is it one of the Projekcts? And BPM&M? I have the FFWD cd, with Fripp, which I think is great, but dunno the two you're talking about... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 9:03 PM Subject: Crimson Bashing/Relevent > OK, I just want to say that if you have not heard the Level 5 CD from King > Crimson you're really missing what I think is some of the most interesting > music (some of it loop based) being made. Also, check out the remixes on BPM&M > for some of the hottest techno/jungle/drum&bass I've ever heard FROM THE > SAMPLES OF FRIPP AND HIS BUDDIES PRODUCED BY THE EX DRUMMER OF... > > MR. MISTER! > > Dinosaurs didn't die because they stopped being relevent, they died because > their world got hit by a really big stone. > > the previous message was my opinion. (my opinion just happens to be based on > fact ;) ) > > Mark Sottilaro > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 15:29:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06160; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:27:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:27:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:24:55 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Crimson Bashing/Relevent To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004d01c24d36$42c86fc0$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3D6A7B7A.F9FC5F27@zerocrossing.net> <008501c24d35$007a0f80$0101a8c0@o4z6b8> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luigi Meloni" To: Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 3:15 PM Subject: Re: Crimson Bashing/Relevent > Which Kc cd is Level 5? > I tought I had all of 'em. Is it one of the Projekcts? No. http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/cat/0106cat.shtml > And BPM&M? http://papabear.com/bpm.htm > I have the FFWD cd, with Fripp, which I think is great, but dunno the two > you're talking about... Great album. OFP too. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 15:29:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06129; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:27:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:27:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011501c24d36$53114a50$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <200208261444.AA973209836@mail.unitcircle.com> Subject: LD bumpersticker - was Re: loop device endorsement Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:25:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm all for a LoopersDelight sticker, I'm not sure if we should > be spending money to promote a Gibson product however, > I'm sure that they can afford to make their own stickers. I'll second that. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 15:32:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06532; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:30:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:30:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 Message-ID: <3D6A821B.EA6C2D6B@ernieball.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:31:39 -0700 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Pattern Sequencers References: <200208261622.MAA15301@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This reminds me of something I was thinking about a couple of weeks ago, on my drive home from the Santa Cruz Loopfest. Would there be a use for a device which used the EDP's feature set, but in a MIDI (as opposed to audio) context? And could the LOOP software be adapted to such a task? -Hans > Greg, > > Are these things basically MIDI loopers? Any place where a genre > description is available? > > David > > > Notron is the king of real time step sequencers. > > But unfortunately, it is no longer made and nearly impossible to > get. > > > > For new developments, check these out: > > > > http://tidalmusic.homestead.com/files/so_main_files/step-one.htm > > > > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/instruments.html > > > > http://www.technotoys.com/mikado/ > > > > Currently available step sequencers: > > > > http://www.frostwave.com/fatcontroller/index.html > > > > http://www.sospubs.co.uk/sos/feb00/articles/mamsq16.htm > > > > http://www.clavia.se/nordmodular/index.htm > > > > http://www.doepfer.de/maq_e.htm > > > > http://www.technosaurus.ch/cyclodon.htm > > > > Also, there are lots of nifty pattern sequencers (RM1x, XL-7, > Electribe, > too many > > to list), as well as vintage analog gear. > > > > If you prefer software: > > > > http://algoart.com/web/softstep.htm > > > > Notron info: > > > > http://www.3phase.org/notron/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 15:44:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07393; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:38:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:38:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <175.d8a2673.2a9bdd52@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:36:50 EDT Subject: Re: Endorsement and usage effectiveness To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes: >So, someone go out and get a hit, okay? i have a hit, though, initially, guy sigsworth tried to take the credit for it: 'what it feels like for a girl', by madonna/sigsworth/torn. more than 10 million copies sold of the album ('music') version, alone --- not too many folk know that there's performance-looping, therein, so..... there's the rub: doesn't quite fill herr flint's bill..... best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 15:46:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08112; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:44:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:44:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D6A8374.2060508@oasis-open.org> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:37:24 -0400 From: Jeffrey Lomas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LD bumpersticker - was Re: loop device endorsement References: <200208261444.AA973209836@mail.unitcircle.com> <011501c24d36$53114a50$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090205050406080801000002" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------090205050406080801000002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll third that. In 1992 I vowed to never by another Gibson product. I have very recently amended that boycot to allow for the purchase of an EDP. Of course, I've been trying to figure out what I can do to cover the big Gibson scroll across the front :). Jeff Dennis Leas wrote: >>I'm all for a LoopersDelight sticker, I'm not sure if we should >>be spending money to promote a Gibson product however, >>I'm sure that they can afford to make their own stickers. >> > >I'll second that. > >Dennis Leas >------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > > > > --------------090205050406080801000002 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll third that.  In 1992 I vowed to never by another Gibson product.  I have very recently amended that boycot to allow for the purchase of an EDP.  Of course, I've been trying to figure out what I can do to cover the big Gibson scroll across the front :).

Jeff

Dennis Leas wrote:
I'm all for a LoopersDelight sticker, I'm not sure if we should 
be spending money to promote a Gibson product however, 
I'm sure that they can afford to make their own stickers.

I'll second that.  

Dennis Leas
-------------------
dennis@mdbs.com





--------------090205050406080801000002-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 15:47:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08358; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:45:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:45:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:44:29 EDT Subject: Re: fripp looper o o loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com zvonar@zvonar.com writes: >We were discussing this yesterday at our ACF Tech Salon. Peter >Freeman uses the Switchblade and it does work for his particular >needs, >but the question of visual feedback IS critical for those who >use arbitrary signal routing as part of their performance strategy. that's exactly why i don't use a switchblade..... i want a) a visual rep. of signal flow, and b) faders/knobs/etc to manipulate same. obviously, b) is somewhat addressable via a 'moving'-faders type of midi-command-station, but, visually..... so: i continue w/analog mixers. >I >raised that question and Peter said that there IS PC-based software >for the Switchblade that gives a graphic display of the routing. great, if you're in a 'writing'/studio situation; not so great, if ya don't want to/can't drag an add'l laptop around..... best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 15:47:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07815; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:43:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:43:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:42:43 -0700 From: andrew pask Subject: RE: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist In-reply-to: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CFBD@mitorexch01.maritz.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.5.3 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 8/26/02 at 12:15 PM, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com (Liebig, Steuart A.) wrote: > you displace the context and their is no irony . . . > > stig Maybe irony is a useful yardstick for measuring some value of a song's lyrics. Hard to think of an ironical setting for Britney... Flag waver for an oppressed people? oops. Maybe Britney had irony right from the start. Cheers A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 15:57:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09444; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:55:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:55:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:52:40 -0500 Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CFC4@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Thread-Index: AcJNOZPrDYkBf/JJSaWPeI7J6lVHvgAAL6xA From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA09126 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i hate when i type fast and use the wrong word, sheesh. "there," not "their." gawd. stig > you displace the context and their is no irony . . . > > stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 16:18:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11678; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:12:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:12:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D6A8A8A.84E96EA2@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:07:37 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Popularity/influence/etc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hoo boy... I make no claims as to the coherence of any of this: One big problem with "popularizing" looping is that there really needs to be a visual and/or sonic representation of the process itself, in order for the real-time aspect to be fully understood. Torn playing on a Bowie or Tori album is great, but if people are just listening to the end result, are they going to appreciate that the sounds they're hearing were done (at least in part) in real time? And if they do, will it make them want to buy a $600 hardware box with a fundamental learning curve, rather than a $200 copy of Ableton Live or ACID? In other words, is there anything about the actual sonic result that will offer something that can be substantially distinct from what can be done in a standard step-time studio assembly manner? This to me is one of the fundamental challenges - not just in a promotion/advertising sense, but in a purely creative and aesthetic one. Can you actually accomplish a MUSICAL or PERFORMATIVE result with these tools that WOULDN'T be possible by just playing a pre-recorded backing track or spending a few days splicing and dicing on a computer? Just because you CAN do this stuff in real time, is there any intrinsic musical result that truly TAKES ADVANTAGE of the real-time angle? Can you inspire people to WANT to take the time to learn the physical and mental technique of using a real-time looper, when they could just endlessly manipulate pre-packaged drum loops in a software sequencer instead? Influence/popularity/etc... I understand where everyone's coming from, and I think everybody's right in a way. There's no age limit in terms of when any person can start or stop being influenced by another artist, but that isn't really what Kim's talking about. What he's describing is a certain social/cultural/commercial critical mass that occurs when a particular idea is delivered in a sufficiently appealing way to make a large number of people want to emulate that idea. So you have Jimi Hendrix playing the Stratocaster, which prior to his break was a pretty unpopular guitar on the verge of being discontinued. Then Jimi comes along and it becomes what is probably the most popular electric guitar of all time. Or you have the Beatles come along, and suddenly everybody who was at a certain age in 1964 wants to start a band. Or Van Halen gets big, and then you've got ten years of pointy-shaped guitars with flashy graphics, ten humbuckers, and Floyd Rose Whammy bars. Then Nirvana is huge, and instrument makers start going for neo-retro kitsh designs to reel in kids who are embarassed by the pointy shred machines and want to play pawnshop Jaguars instead. And then nu-metal bands start playing seven string Ibanez guitars which had been passe' just a few years ago (much as Kurt Cobain's Fenders were considered hopelessly unhip during the years when the Ibanez 7-strings were first shipping), and now lots of kids are buying 7-strings so they can play nu-metal tunes in their bedroom. But here again, in each case there's both a musical and a visual signifier to each of these movements that people can latch onto. The pawn-shop Jaguar is an apt metaphor for where a lot of the grunge guys were coming from musically, just like the pointy Jackson guitar with the graphic of the chick in the bikini on the front made sense being played by a hair-metal band singing songs about the virtues of 17-year-old girls. I'm already boring myself, so I'll continue this in another post.... --Andre the self-bored From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 16:24:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12283; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:19:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:19:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: kudos Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:17:04 -0500 Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CFC6@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: kudos Thread-Index: AcJNPd0UbBXMW7kPEdaKVwDQt1TfNg== From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "Looper's Delight (E-mail)" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA12013 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com howdy, kudos to richard z, for his organization and presentiation, and andre lf, for his involvement and playing/clinic-ing, at the hollywood loop thang yesterday. pretty cool stuff. sorry i didn't get a chance to say hi. besides being a shy kinda guy, i had to leave when it started to go late - - family commitments and all. anyway, nice job y'all. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 16:36:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13607; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:35:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:35:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.6; T1.001; A1.48; B2.12; Q2.03) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:34:22 UT From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Epoch: 1030394062 X-Sasl-enc: mbElaPKqq6P8UhjEYsE9SA Subject: Re: Popularity/influence/etc. Message-Id: <20020826203422.2CAB12FD4E@server3.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This isn't a direct response to this post, but i was thinking about the relationship between improv and looping. To me real-time looping and improvising go hand in hand. I don't know how everybody else feels about it, to recreate a composition w/ a looper takes all the fun out of it for me. Something feels weird about it. And improvisitional music by default isn't mainstream. So, who really wants write a hit that relies extensively on real-time looping, and recreate it night after night on a world tour? Not me...well..maybe *one* tour... Ernesto On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:07:37 -0700, "Andre LaFosse" said: > One big problem with "popularizing" looping is that there really needs > to be a visual and/or sonic representation of the process itself, in > order for the real-time aspect to be fully understood. Torn playing on > a Bowie or Tori album is great, but if people are just listening to the > end result, are they going to appreciate that the sounds they're > hearing -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- The fastest email on the Internet! http://fastmail.fm - Choose from over 50 domains or use your own From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 16:46:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14474; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:43:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:43:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:43:22 -0700 From: Andrew Pask Subject: LA Ca gig spam In-reply-to: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CFBC@mitorexch01.maritz.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Digitalcutuplounge at The Knitting Factory on this Wed in the alternit Lounge thingy about 10 maybe. http://www.digitalcutuplounge.com I rewrote my entire interface for this gig. It's taken me 2 weeks. It will either work really well or I'll spend the whole gig mangling the macintosh startup sound. Actually we will have a percussion player with us so there is a strong chance I might get to play some - MUSIC! yay. Cheers Andrew From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 17:04:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16523; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:00:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:00:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <166.12d48196.2a9bf0b0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:59:28 EDT Subject: Re: Popularity/influence/etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com altruist@earthlink.net writes: >One big problem with "popularizing" looping is that there really needs >to be a visual and/or sonic representation of the process itself, in >order for the real-time aspect to be fully understood. in part, this explains my (long-spoken) desire for some kinda controller that is more visceral than a ft-pedal/midi-ctrlr, both from the performer's and the audience's perpective..... >Torn playing on >a Bowie or Tori album is great, but if people are just listening to the >end result, are they going to appreciate that the sounds they're hearing >were done (at least in part) in real time? (99.99% realtime) quick answer: no. >And if they do, will it make >them want to buy a $600 hardware box with a fundamental learning curve, >rather than a $200 copy of Ableton Live or ACID? well..... if the reality of the process is *known*, they'd then likely be aware that said process ---at the moment --- precludes a pure-software solution, eh? >In other words, is there anything about the actual sonic result that >will offer something that can be substantially distinct from what can be >done in a standard step-time studio assembly manner? personally: i cannot recreate this (chimerical/mercurial/evolutionary) process in sw, thus far, so..... >This to me is one of the fundamental challenges - not just in a >promotion/advertising sense, but in a purely creative and aesthetic one. > Can you actually accomplish a MUSICAL or PERFORMATIVE result with these >tools that WOULDN'T be possible by just playing a pre-recorded backing >track or spending a few days splicing and dicing on a computer? just to muddle thisall a bit further: 'a few days splicing and dicing'..... what we can do in (almost) real-time can take hours/days/weeks/etc to recreate in a sw-solution..... add'ly, there's the very key factor of the musicality and manipulation of the input-instruments..... >Just >because you CAN do this stuff in real time, is there any intrinsic >musical result that truly TAKES ADVANTAGE of the real-time angle? i think that there is no intrinsic musical result, but for the performer's ability to interact w/the instrument..... >Can >you inspire people to WANT to take the time to learn the physical and >mental technique of using a real-time looper, when they could just >endlessly manipulate pre-packaged drum loops in a software sequencer instead? ..... and up pops the specter of player-dom: what is the depth of interactivity 'tween player/input instrument(s)/looping instrument? >Influence/popularity/etc... I understand where everyone's coming from, >and I think everybody's right in a way. There's no age limit in terms >of when any person can start or stop being influenced by another artist, oh, good! 'cause i'm ageing faster and faster, these days..... >but that isn't really what Kim's talking about. What he's describing is >a certain social/cultural/commercial critical mass that occurs when a >particular idea is delivered in a sufficiently appealing way to make a >large number of people want to emulate that idea. right. >So you have Jimi Hendrix playing the Stratocaster, which prior to his >break was a pretty unpopular guitar on the verge of being discontinued. untrue! >Then Jimi comes along and it becomes what is probably the most popular >electric guitar of all time. true! >Or you have the Beatles come along, and >suddenly everybody who was at a certain age in 1964 wants to start a >band. Or Van Halen gets big, and then you've got ten years of >pointy-shaped guitars with flashy graphics, ten humbuckers, and Floyd >Rose Whammy bars. eek. >Then Nirvana is huge, and instrument makers start going for neo-retro >kitsh designs to reel in kids who are embarassed by the pointy shred >machines and want to play pawnshop Jaguars instead. And then nu-metal >bands start playing seven string Ibanez guitars which had been passe' >just a few years ago (much as Kurt Cobain's Fenders were considered >hopelessly unhip during the years when the Ibanez 7-strings were first >shipping), and now lots of kids are buying 7-strings so they can play >nu-metal tunes in their bedroom. oh. >But here again, in each case there's both a musical and a visual >signifier to each of these movements that people can latch onto. The >pawn-shop Jaguar is an apt metaphor for where a lot of the grunge guys >were coming from musically, just like the pointy Jackson guitar with the >graphic of the chick in the bikini on the front made sense being played >by a hair-metal band singing songs about the virtues of 17-year-old >girls. wow. >I'm already boring myself, so I'll continue this in another post.... please do! 'i'm upstairs, listenin' to my will smith'..... best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 17:05:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16881; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:04:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:04:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010f01c24d34$8c037470$6a87abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: References: Subject: switchblade editor Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:11:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "Richard Zvonar" > > We were discussing this yesterday at our ACF Tech Salon. Peter > Freeman uses the Switchblade and it does work for his particular > needs, but the question of visual feedback IS critical for those who > use arbitrary signal routing as part of their performance strategy. I > raised that question and Peter said that there IS PC-based software > for the Switchblade that gives a graphic display of the routing. If > anyone has experience with this it would be interesting to hear about > it. Hi Richard, after years messing with mixers/routers/splitters, I finally did the Switchblade step. For a lot of time I was not so convinced about the fact it could be the solution of my problems because of its user interface, as David said. I liked to be able to open/close the send to my effect lines freely, without having to pre-patch them associating each effects' combination (different algorithms on each efx) together with a certain routing. I wanted to be free to change the routings without affecting the efx combinations. So I passed a lot of time with an excellent Allen & Heath mixer (i think i wrote about it) where i was using its 6 auxes plus the 4 groups' sends to put anything-to-anything. The interface was great, very nice visual/phisycal control over volumes, fades and so on; but a pain to change the routing while playing. So, I finally went to a Switchblade. I can say i have never edited it by the machine itself, always did it through its pc-editor (that anybody can download from their website). [you know Vsig, eh ?] The routing appears visually very clear and also opens up new ideas that you can check very easily, in real time. The switchblade is connected by a circular midi flow, so, each change you do on the editor goes immediately to the hardware (if you want it). When I disconnect the pc from the switchblade, I have those "presets" i created on the pc, saved into the hardware. I set 10 presets on my midi pedal board (an old Midiwizard) to have different preprogrammed routings in 1 bank for my live use. I don't send program changes to my efx through the midiwizard, i just use the 8 cc footpedals to control the efx parameters i want but, if i had to plan a live using for a gig made of "written" songs, i could associate each routing to a specific efx combination. I suggest you to download the editor (called winblade) from www.soundsculpture.com It is a good example of pc-based editor. Hope to have been clear with my poor english. my best, Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 17:10:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17471; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:08:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:08:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012301c24d35$03512450$6a87abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: References: <20020826203422.2CAB12FD4E@server3.fastmail.fm> Subject: Re: Popularity/influence/etc. Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:15:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "ernesto schnack" > To me real-time looping and > improvising go hand in hand. I absolutely agree, but it's just a (one more) point of view. Luca www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 17:17:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17615; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:08:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:08:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:06:45 EDT Subject: Re: Crimson Bashing/Relevent To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA17427 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, In a message dated 8/26/02 12:04:17 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: >Also, check out the remixes on BPM&M Although I have not yet gotten my grubby mits on Level 5 I can certainly say an "amen" to the BPM&M disc. It's cool, creative music and pretty doggone funny as well (depending on your perspective and tolerance for some of Fripps verbal "banter" (which, personally, I find hilarious). Loop the loop! Ted ® Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 17:27:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18654; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:21:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:21:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:01:38 -0400 Subject: Mixer/switcher/router From: Laurent Brondel To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200208262021.QAA12409@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was wondering if any of you have tried (and/or used) the Digital Music corp 'System Mix Dual Stereo Line Mixer' as a router to go from preamps/synths/anything to a pair of Echoplexes/any loopers in parallel. I am trying to figure out a way to patch my gear that makes sense and is noise free. I essentially have a (stereo) GM1000 preamp/multiFX and a (stereo) TiBook that I want to route to 2 x Echoplexes (mono), without requiring 12Us of rack-space and thousands of $$$. Any advice is greatly welcome! All the best, -- Laurent Brondel laurentbrondel@earthlink.net http://www.laurentbrondel.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 17:29:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18907; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:22:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:22:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:20:30 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: kudos In-reply-to: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CFC6@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CFC6@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8wimTC.A.QkE.Wvpa9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:17 PM -0500 8/26/02, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: >kudos to richard z, for his organization and presentiation, and andre lf, for Thanks. We thought it went well. The discussion at the end was particularly focused and lively. >sorry i didn't get a chance to say hi. besides being a shy kinda >guy, i had to leave when it started to go late - - family >commitments and all. Sorry it ran long. I probably could have avoided that by starting at the nominal time of 2 PM, but past experience has been that many people show up late and miss the first presentation. Not the case this time, so maybe tech-orient folks have a better sense of time. The next program in this series will probably be October 20. I'll post an announcement when it's set. We're also planning a Technology Workshop in live performance electronics, probably early November. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 17:38:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20054; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:34:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:34:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <19d.7acf309.2a9bf8af@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:33:35 EDT Subject: Re: Mixer/switcher/router To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com laurent, a) what is a gm1000?, and b) what are you outputting *to*? best, dt / s-c >I was wondering if any of you have tried (and/or used) the Digital Music >corp 'System Mix Dual Stereo Line Mixer' as a router to go from >preamps/synths/anything to a pair of Echoplexes/any loopers in parallel. > >I am trying to figure out a way to patch my gear that makes sense and is >noise free. I essentially have a (stereo) GM1000 preamp/multiFX and a >(stereo) TiBook that I want to route to 2 x Echoplexes (mono), without >requiring 12Us of rack-space and thousands of $$$. Any advice is greatly >welcome! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 17:40:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20194; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:35:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:35:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:34:12 -0800 Subject: Re:Nu Metal vs.Steve Vai vs.Santana vs.white stripes From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825194211.038c2d80@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But the > closest thing I've seen to a guitar soloist in popular music since then is > the White Stripes, and they obviously aren't influenced by Santana. > kim wow a reference to the 'stripes'...one cool band that i really like. to me the essence of rock&roll is an electric guitar and percussion(and a pcm42 for loopin w/ me!) and they do it real good s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 17:47:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21277; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:44:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:44:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:43:42 -0700 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Re: Mixer/switcher/router To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001801c24d49$a5bb44a0$0282c83f@kinesys1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <19d.7acf309.2a9bf8af@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > a) what is a gm1000? Oberheim GM 1000 guitar preamp & multi-effects processor http://www.musicyo.com/planet/GM1000eng.pdf From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 17:56:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22571; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:54:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:54:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c24d4a$ddfa9220$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <19d.7acf309.2a9bf8af@aol.com> Subject: Re: Mixer/switcher/router Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:52:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hehe- I coulda swore you owned one of these David- they were on sale awhile back and a threat ensued here on the list- on the top shelf above your mixer..... right? Cliff > laurent, > a) what is a gm1000?, and From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 17:57:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22519; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:53:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:53:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:51:35 EDT Subject: Re: Crimson Bashing/Relevent To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sine@zerocrossing.net writes: >It's totally >unrecognisable as any of the songs it's using as raw material. Fun. dude. ya might wanna check out the 'splattercell' remix of b.l.u.e./live. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 17:57:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21575; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:46:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:46:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D6AA151.AF74EB1C@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:44:49 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Crimson Bashing/Relevent References: <3D6A7B7A.F9FC5F27@zerocrossing.net> <008501c24d35$007a0f80$0101a8c0@o4z6b8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Level 5 is a bunch of live semi improvised jams. More like "protosongs." BPM&M are the mangled remixes of a bunch of K.Crimson and Fripp stuff done by their current drummer (and a partner who's name excapes me). It's totally unrecognisable as any of the songs it's using as raw material. Fun. Luigi Meloni wrote: > Which Kc cd is Level 5? > I tought I had all of 'em. Is it one of the Projekcts? > And BPM&M? > > I have the FFWD cd, with Fripp, which I think is great, but dunno the two > you're talking about... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 9:03 PM > Subject: Crimson Bashing/Relevent > > > OK, I just want to say that if you have not heard the Level 5 CD from King > > Crimson you're really missing what I think is some of the most interesting > > music (some of it loop based) being made. Also, check out the remixes on > BPM&M > > for some of the hottest techno/jungle/drum&bass I've ever heard FROM THE > > SAMPLES OF FRIPP AND HIS BUDDIES PRODUCED BY THE EX DRUMMER OF... > > > > MR. MISTER! > > > > Dinosaurs didn't die because they stopped being relevent, they died > because > > their world got hit by a really big stone. > > > > the previous message was my opinion. (my opinion just happens to be based > on > > fact ;) ) > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 17:59:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22981; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:56:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:56:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <92140A6CB1347643A9B7E1988B65BD8B02F4DCC5@MAIL1.icc.state.il.us> From: "Simonson, Kevin" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Crimson Bashing/Relevent Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:54:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com BPM&M is Pat Mastellotto(sp) and Bill Munyon. -----Original Message----- From: sine@zerocrossing.net [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 4:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Crimson Bashing/Relevent Level 5 is a bunch of live semi improvised jams. More like "protosongs." BPM&M are the mangled remixes of a bunch of K.Crimson and Fripp stuff done by their current drummer (and a partner who's name excapes me). It's totally unrecognisable as any of the songs it's using as raw material. Fun. Luigi Meloni wrote: > Which Kc cd is Level 5? > I tought I had all of 'em. Is it one of the Projekcts? > And BPM&M? > > I have the FFWD cd, with Fripp, which I think is great, but dunno the two > you're talking about... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 9:03 PM > Subject: Crimson Bashing/Relevent > > > OK, I just want to say that if you have not heard the Level 5 CD from King > > Crimson you're really missing what I think is some of the most interesting > > music (some of it loop based) being made. Also, check out the remixes on > BPM&M > > for some of the hottest techno/jungle/drum&bass I've ever heard FROM THE > > SAMPLES OF FRIPP AND HIS BUDDIES PRODUCED BY THE EX DRUMMER OF... > > > > MR. MISTER! > > > > Dinosaurs didn't die because they stopped being relevent, they died > because > > their world got hit by a really big stone. > > > > the previous message was my opinion. (my opinion just happens to be based > on > > fact ;) ) > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 18:00:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23213; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:57:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:57:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <167.12e503f4.2a9bfde6@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:55:50 EDT Subject: Re: Mixer/switcher/router To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com om@om-studios.com writes: >I coulda swore you owned one of these David- they were on sale awhile >back yup; didn't know what they were called! (gulp.....) took 'em off the sale list, though. >and a threat ensued here on the list- threat? huh? >on the top shelf above your >mixer..... right? once-upon-a-time. now firmly ensconced in the lower rack. waugh, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 18:15:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26011; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:13:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:13:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c24d4d$90980e60$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <167.12e503f4.2a9bfde6@aol.com> Subject: Re: Mixer/switcher/router Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:11:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <2oLsWD.A.9UG.2eqa9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com threat/thread- same difference man! c > om@om-studios.com writes: > > >and a threat ensued here on the list- > threat? huh? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 18:29:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27491; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:26:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:26:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:24:41 +0200 Subject: Re: Mixer/switcher/router Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9DC3829A-B942-11D6-BE4D-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm experimenting with a cheap (75$) Behringer Ultrapatch Pro (48 point patch bay) to split and re-merge selected inputs/outputs as well as tidy up the cabling for effects sends/returns. If you don't have too much equipment to connect, then I think that it will do the job. You have to play around with the input gains/output levels a bit, but it looks like a viable and noise-free, as well as cheap solution. I also borrowed a Behringer Composer Pro compressor unit from a friend, and was amazed at the little beast. I'm thinking about checking out their graphic too. On the subject of Behringer, I ordered a FCB1010 from Germany (they cannot be found in France for some reason), and it should be here by the end of the week. Pretty soon, I will be able to control the Repeater the way that I want to.... :) -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 18:41:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28624; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:38:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:38:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:38:30 -0400 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Re: Pattern Sequencers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3D6AADE6.3781D9D9@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,zh-TW References: <200208261622.MAA15301@hemlock.violacea.com> <3D6A821B.EA6C2D6B@ernieball.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've long wished for a sequencer that can do what a looper does (but with midi). Or vice versa! Hans Lindauer wrote: > This reminds me of something I was thinking about a couple of weeks ago, > on my drive home from the Santa Cruz Loopfest. > > Would there be a use for a device which used the EDP's feature set, but > in a MIDI (as opposed to audio) context? And could the LOOP software be > adapted to such a task? > > -Hans > > > Greg, > > > > Are these things basically MIDI loopers? Any place where a genre > > description is available? > > > > David > > > > > Notron is the king of real time step sequencers. > > > But unfortunately, it is no longer made and nearly impossible to > > get. > > > > > > For new developments, check these out: > > > > > > http://tidalmusic.homestead.com/files/so_main_files/step-one.htm > > > > > > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/instruments.html > > > > > > http://www.technotoys.com/mikado/ > > > > > > Currently available step sequencers: > > > > > > http://www.frostwave.com/fatcontroller/index.html > > > > > > http://www.sospubs.co.uk/sos/feb00/articles/mamsq16.htm > > > > > > http://www.clavia.se/nordmodular/index.htm > > > > > > http://www.doepfer.de/maq_e.htm > > > > > > http://www.technosaurus.ch/cyclodon.htm > > > > > > Also, there are lots of nifty pattern sequencers (RM1x, XL-7, > > Electribe, > > too many > > > to list), as well as vintage analog gear. > > > > > > If you prefer software: > > > > > > http://algoart.com/web/softstep.htm > > > > > > Notron info: > > > > > > http://www.3phase.org/notron/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 18:48:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29319; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:46:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:46:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c24d51$bda21140$05ad5651@q6f4s6> From: "Martin Shakeshaft2" To: Subject: Selling a JamMan in the UK Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:41:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings from the UK I have been messing with Loops for sometime using both a Line 6 DL4 and a Lexicon JamMan. I am thinking of selling the JamMan to buy another DL4. The question is how much to charge and where to sell? I have looked on Ebay but can not find any reference prices. Any suggestions? The JamMan is in perfect condition and has the memory upgrade. It also comes with two pedals. Cheers Martin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 18:52:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29693; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:50:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:50:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c24d52$b8ca06e0$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <200208261622.MAA15301@hemlock.violacea.com> <3D6A821B.EA6C2D6B@ernieball.com> <3D6AADE6.3781D9D9@optonline.net> Subject: Re: Pattern Sequencers Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:48:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ya- I want to do this to loop pitch change squences for the Repeater on the fly and to do live synth loops as well- Certain drum machines can do this type of thing to a degree- set up a pattern with the pads note values assigned to control yer flavor of hw- a friend will be giving me an old SR16 tomorrow which I hope to use this way for EDP control and possibly some Rptr control. If I remember correctly Andre LaFosse uses a 626 with his EDP- Cliff > I've long wished for a sequencer that can do what a looper does (but with > midi). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 18:56:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30104; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:53:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:53:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Repeater spotted for sale Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:50:51 +0200 Message-ID: <001a01c24d53$857f4510$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825215848.00af4fb0@icicle.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2V7NYD.A.QUH.rEra9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey -c-, I don't know if I understand what people (or, more specifically, you) mean by "decomposition". But I think there are some cool things you can do with a Repeater (or partially an Echoplex) which you might find appealing, especially when using it together with a sequencer. While I haven't done this myself, I guess that by clever combination of slip, trim, start/stop, reverse, pitch shift and changing speed, you can do some crazy things like reordering the sequence of events in a certain loop, most of it independently for the four tracks. Say you've got a four-bar rock drum groove on stereo pair 1+2 (recorded at home, perhaps from some original source) and a i-iv-VI-V synth chord progression on track 3 (recorded at home with your Prophet or during performance from one of your synths). You could then reorder the synth chord progression to V-iv-i-i, or you could use the beginning of bar 3's bass drum to run this track via a separate output through a filter, filter the bass drum, and rerecord this to track 4, which you would then use to turn your rock drum groove into a house drum groove by slipping the very bass drum (now on track 4) to every beat. This has so far happened without time compression and pitch shift. Then, by varispeeding the whole thing and at the same time pitchshifting track 3, you could double the speed of the drum groove, while keeping the synths at same length and pitch. You might then resample the bass drum from track 4 into your pitched drum loop, and while having the four bars run into a D2 delay, put the muted Repeater into reverse and overdub something else onto track 4, before killing the D2 and at the same time returning the Repeater to forward and unmuting it, to have your "organic" reverse stuff on track 4 run with the groove (which you might then also run through a Kaoss Pad via the effects loop). Speaking of the Kaoss Pad, a quick look on my big rig's patchbay shows me the current patchwork repeater effects send->Kaoss Pad->repeater effects return :-) The above are just a few weird ideas, and I guess it would be extremely challenging to do this in "realtime" (i.e. by sending the necessary CC by hand), but I guess if you assign a few "macros" to hotkeys in your sequencer (I think for example Cubase does this, but I haven't worked with Cubase intensively for something like 3 years), you could realize some of these functions and still retain a "spontaneous" element. And think about using effects in general. Lots of effects. The "cold and emotionless" synthesizers do gain so much from the use of effects. And again, here are lots of people who do crazy things with an EDP, and there are some people who do crazy things with EDP and Repeater be sure to get their input! Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > Thanks for the note back, Rainer, although I'd politely > disagree with your > assertion that it's "not much of a help". ;) > > In fact, I believe that in many instances I'd use the > Repeater just as you > are. But since I was a little vague in my previous > description, let me go > into a bit more detail. > > I figured out a long time ago that I seem to base almost > everything I do > off some sort of ostinato, some set of repeating patterns. > The interest > for me comes in the interaction between the different parts, > and in their > evolution/de-evolution in relation to each other. > > Now I'm also a synth junkie -- can't help it, I've always > loved 'em. And > this whole episode started when I decided to pare down my > system to just a > laptop setup. Since there were a few hardware modules I > really didn't want > to do without, I decided to supplement with a small portable > rack (which, > if I add the Repeater, is now up to a 12-space -- small and > portable my > @$#!). :P > > With the new system, I can do just about anything I need to > do as far as > sequences and their manipulations. I've got enough gear to > handle that in > realtime. But, as I'm sure you'll agree, locking into a > sequencer tends to > turn a performance into an artifact rather than an experience. If I > wanted, I could probably set everything up onstage, press > play, and go home > for the evening. That's not what I'm looking for. I've > still got some > constraints I've put upon myself. I've got to establish an > underlying > beat/pulse, for instance, but over the top of that I'm looking for > something a bit more organic. > > As I was looking for a method to get around this dilemma, I began > remembering the recordings of those early tape loop > experiments from people > such as Eno & Fripp and Steve Reich, amongst others. It > wasn't just the > juxtaposition of the different parts that was interesting, > but also the way > in which the older parts gradually degraded as new ones were > put down over > the top of them. That was one of the things that originally > attracted me > to the Echo Pro, with its models of the old tape and platter > looping devices. > > So, getting back to the Repeater, if it were nothing more > than a realtime > digital 4-track, then you're correct -- it wouldn't be of > much use to me in > this setup. But, reading through some of your other comments > (as well as > once again going through Mark Sottilaro's review on the > website) leads me > to believe that there are indeed some rather interesting ways > to not only > layer, but also to "decompose" your loops. Would I be > correct in saying that? > > My original inclination was to see if I could simply "cheap > out" and get > the Echo Pro to accomplish some of the things I needed it to. > But I'm > beginning to think that the Repeater may actually be a bit > more viable > option for going about this. For instance, I've got an old > Korg Kaos pad > that I hadn't planned on integrating into my rig, but the > effects loop on > the Repeater seems the perfect place for it. Also, I've got > a few synths > that I love dearly (Prophet VS, Kawaii K5k) that I will just > not take out > of the house for fear of something happening to them. > Because the Repeater > can save data in a nonvolatile format, I could record synth > clusters as > loops instead of sampling them into the computer, then play them back > repitched via MIDI. Neat! > > I think I'm leaning toward springing the bucks for one of > these, but I'm > still open to arguments pro or con if you (or anybody else) > has any more > feedback. > > Thanks again for your thoughts, Rainer! > > -c- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 19:14:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA32457; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:14:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:14:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:12:00 EDT Subject: Remix of b.l.u.e./live? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mr. T, In a message dated 8/26/02 2:52:40 PM, Hedewa7@aol.com writes: >ya might wanna check out the 'splattercell' remix of b.l.u.e./live. Oh yeah? Is this available? I hadn't heard of a remix of this before. Thanks, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 19:23:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00965; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:22:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:22:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:21:46 -0400 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #565 From: Laurent Brondel To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200208262243.SAA29049@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Hedewa7@aol.com > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:33:35 EDT > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Mixer/switcher/router > > laurent, > a) what is a gm1000?, and Oberheim GM1000, guitar (or anything, really) white preamp w/FC3000 foot controller (anybody knows what the second FS 'panel' does beyond switching banks?). I do not use guitar amps, nor am I looking to produce a 'pure' guitar sound. I know, shame... > b) what are you outputting *to*? Right now LR to 2 x Event 20/20 (through one of those rack mounted 8x2 mixers, quality is poor, hiss is rich), but the aim is to present a LR signal to the house mix. > best, > dt / s-c > >> I was wondering if any of you have tried (and/or used) the Digital Music >> corp 'System Mix Dual Stereo Line Mixer' as a router to go from >> preamps/synths/anything to a pair of Echoplexes/any loopers in parallel. >> >> I am trying to figure out a way to patch my gear that makes sense and is >> noise free. I essentially have a (stereo) GM1000 preamp/multiFX and a >> (stereo) TiBook that I want to route to 2 x Echoplexes (mono), without >> requiring 12Us of rack-space and thousands of $$$. Any advice is greatly >> welcome! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 19:27:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01551; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:27:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:27:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020826232552.7731.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:25:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Fripp's achievement To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2908CBF8-B72F-11D6-9F0A-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Whether I like Robert Fripp's music or not (I do, but that's not important...), he is a prime example of someone who has had a lengthy career playing primarily unconventional music, which he clearly enjoys himself. Frankly, in these times, I think it's absolutely wonderful when I see someone who is able to actually do something they consistently enjoy for their occupation. Whether I like what they do or not, it almost always makes me envious, since I fall into "the other category". I applaud Robert Fripp for having the knack for developing the necessary skill and acumen to stay "in business" so long. I hope he is able to continue doing so until he's able to comfortably retire...when he wants to retire. I wish that for all of us. Unfortunately, it happens all too seldom. Whether he influenced anyone in the process shouldn't really concern me, although it seems obvious that he's had a lot of influence over the years. To me, his more important achievement is that he's able to do something he loves, full time. Greg --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Why splutter? Whether you like his music or not, Fripp's a big part > of > the looping world. The end. In my opinion, he's one of the only of > his > kind that hasn't gone all soft. He's a nice cranky OCD guitarist, > and I > still listen to King Crimson all the time. God Save The Queen was > probably one of my first introductions to any looping. > > He claims to have never gotten a dime, or even a working EH16 even > though they marketed it as a "Fripp in the box." > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Friday, August 23, 2002, at 09:44 PM, David wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Fripp. > > > > Aaaaaaaaagh! I said it! I'm going to regret this!! PULEEZE don't > let > > me > > burn in hell!! > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "one less than none" > > To: "Loopers Delight mailing list" > > > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 5:13 PM > > Subject: Fw: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist > > > > > >> I think that endorsement certainly help 'spark' interest in a > >> technology > >> they get peopel to look at it ! > >> any advertising is good ! > >> > >> > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 19:30:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01772; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:29:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:29:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:24:50 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Remix of b.l.u.e./live? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007501c24d57$c6a21640$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <_Q_RSB.A.Fa.Dmra9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: > Mr. T, > > In a message dated 8/26/02 2:52:40 PM, Hedewa7@aol.com writes: > > >ya might wanna check out the 'splattercell' remix of b.l.u.e./live. > > Oh yeah? Is this available? I hadn't heard of a remix of this before. I think he's refering to the last track on the second disk of B.L.U.E. Nights -> Outer Blue. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 19:41:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02844; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:38:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:38:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D6ABADE.456A9367@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:33:50 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Popularity/influence/etc. References: <166.12d48196.2a9bf0b0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3hyTrB.A.xp.lura9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 'Allo David, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > well..... if the reality of the process is *known*, they'd then likely be > aware that said process ---at the moment --- precludes a pure-software > solution, eh? I would say no, actually. Simply because at the Tech Salon yesterday, a lot of people (including Carl Stone) were saying that the best solution for real-time looping was to get a laptop computer. And Peter Freeman opined that, for him, looping was something that wasn't overly based on any specific hardware set-up, as it was pretty quick and easy to learn the ins and outs of a new hardware box, should a current one disappear. All of this was said after I'd already done my solo EDP thing. And there were similar points of view expressed by people in the audience. Not everyone was of this opinion, of course, but my feeling (which may not necessarily be terribly accurate - I'd be interested if Richard or Stig had a different take) was that the consensus there was basically: software is the way to go. So my thought is: if a crowd of knowledgable loopers and music technology-heads don't feel that a specific hardware interface and feature set is necessarily connected to a deep use of the software inside (and again, I would have to say that the consensus there yesterday was that it was not), then how are you going to get that idea across to folks in general? > personally: i cannot recreate this (chimerical/mercurial/evolutionary) > process in sw, thus far, so..... I'm with you on that. And there's also the basic financial reality of being asked to fork over the cost of a laptop, the right software, a good audio I/O, and any additional hardware you might need to interface with/control said sw realm. That sort of thing is utterly out of my reach at this point - an EDP and a decent MIDI foot controller look positively cheap by comparison. > 'a few days splicing and dicing'..... > what we can do in (almost) real-time can take hours/days/weeks/etc to > recreate in a sw-solution..... Hell yeah! > ..... and up pops the specter of player-dom: :() > what is the depth of interactivity 'tween player/input instrument(s)/looping > instrument? Or for that matter, between player and instrument BEFORE any looping takes place. 'Cause if it don't sound good without a looper, it ain't gon' sound any better after we've heard it 20 times in a row... > >So you have Jimi Hendrix playing the Stratocaster, which prior to his > >break was a pretty unpopular guitar on the verge of being discontinued. > untrue! Really? Mea culpa. I definitely recall reading an article on Jimi to the effect that he allegedly single-handedly saved the Strat from extinction... but just 'cause it was published thus, certainly doesn't (to quote Captain Picard) make it so. Thanks for the clarification. And on that note... --Dre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 19:41:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03236; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:40:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:40:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D6ABB52.1DAAC329@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:35:46 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pattern Sequencers References: <200208261622.MAA15301@hemlock.violacea.com> <3D6A821B.EA6C2D6B@ernieball.com> <3D6AADE6.3781D9D9@optonline.net> <000f01c24d52$b8ca06e0$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo Cliff - (How are ya, man? Are we gonna do that thing at Anastasia's?) Clifford Novey wrote: > If I remember correctly Andre LaFosse uses a 626 with his EDP- Yes indeed. I was in Future Music in Hollywood a couple of weeks back and they had the very same model for $150, if yer interested... Aha, --A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 19:41:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03202; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:40:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:40:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D6ABB40.89A1344F@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:35:27 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Popularity/influence/etc. References: <20020826203422.2CAB12FD4E@server3.fastmail.fm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there Ernesto, ernesto schnack wrote: > > This isn't a direct response to this post, but i was thinking about the > relationship between improv and looping. To me real-time looping and > improvising go hand in hand. I don't know how everybody else feels > about it, to recreate a composition w/ a looper takes all the fun out > of it for me. Something feels weird about it. For my own personal music-making, I feel the same way. But at the same time, my favorite real-time loopist is probably Amy Neuberg, whose music is 100% pre-composed, and (at least in her solo work) is built on the foundation of stuff she does with the EDP. To me, her music is everything that real-time looping usually ISN'T: it's dynamic, it's extremely performative, it's meticulously composed, and it grabs audiences VERY strongly. Check her out: http://www.isproductions.com/amy > And improvisitional > music by default isn't mainstream. With all due respect, I absolutely cannot understand this idea at all. Jam Bands play improvised music, and Phish is playing Madison Square Garden on New Year's Eve. The Grateful Dead played improvisational music and consistently grossed some of the highest-earning tours around. Jazz is improvised music, and while it certainly doesn't burn up the sales charts, there's nothing "non-mainstream" about it - you can walk into any Starbucks in the world and buy their name-brand jazz compilations. Keith Jarrett and Bobby McFerrin would improvise entire solo concerts, and these are some of the most widely-heard, biggest-selling (relatively speaking) musicians around. So to me, the whole "improv=avant-garde" equation makes no more sense than the infamous "looping=avant-garde fringe music" one... I just cannot see the notion reflected in the real world at all. Oh well... --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 19:53:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04068; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:49:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:49:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D6ABD98.197918D6@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:45:27 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Hardware Interface References: <1B1AB9F8-B801-11D6-8267-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo Mark, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Today's time with Andre Lafosse pointed out that it *really* is almost > necessary to have a MIDI controller to work with loop 4 to it's > fullest. I agree - though I also hasten to add that, in my opinion, it's VERY important to understand the fundamentals of ALL of the basic front-panel functions, before diving into the deep waters of DirectMIDI. Even if someone already has a hot MIDI controller, I would encourage them to focus on the basics of the EDP before trying to get too many fancy MIDI-exclusive things happening. > The bad part was that he can do a LOT of cool stuff with a > Digitech MIDI controller that's no longer made. As a matter of fact, 99% of everything I did could be done just as easily with your Behringer FCB1010. I know there are guys like Claude Voit and Gary Lehman who program very complex strings on their PMC-10's, but for me I find that I like to use very basic pedal commands - note-on's and note-off's for individual DirectMIDI commands, for the most part. I'm actually eyeing the Behringer as a second/backup pedalboard, simply because almost all of what I do with the PMC-10 would translate, and I wouldn't have to troll Ebay looking for a PMC-10. > Watching Andre was pretty damn amazing. My brain froze at least a dozen > times during the presentation. Well shucks, that's kind of you. I'm glad you liked it, and I hope your cerebellum is thawed out by now. > The EDP is capable of so much. It's > almost too much. I think at least I know what's possible now. Well, I by no means use all of the thing's depth and breadth. Matthias or Claude could each showcase other sides of the EDP that I'm not particularly qualified to try and talk about - sync, for instance, is something I spend no time with these days, whereas it's a huge part of Claude's deal. And Matthias' feedback technique would take me a very long time to try and approximate. Cool seeing you again on Saturday, dude. Woo-hah, --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 20:46:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08326; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:45:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:45:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.171.97.158] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: SPAM: Effect sale Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:44:08 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2002 00:44:08.0535 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA5B5E70:01C24D62] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, FYI, Dotcom downsize is forcing me to dump some petals. Boo-hoo :( Marshall Guv'nor $100 Ibenez BCL- Bi-mode chorus $ 50 Boss CS3 w/ ACA adapter $ 50 Ibanez DML20 Modulation Delay III (1024 ms) Highest bid Please contact me directly at: tarbit@hotmail.com Thanks Lou _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 20:48:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07969; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:43:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:43:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:41:56 -0500 Subject: Re: Fripp's achievement Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "he's able to do something he loves, full time." i think this is the goal for most of us (i don't speak for the masochists on the list). it certainly is for me, but playing is and has always been an escape. i wonder what would happen if all of a sudden, my escape took the place of what i'd been previously escaping from. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 21:08:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11284; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:07:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:07:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: EDP Hardware Interface Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:06:08 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3D6ABD98.197918D6@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (Philosophizing section starts...) To me, it's not surprising that a MIDI controller unleashes much of the latent potential in an EDP. That's somewhat a measure of a mature product. In gross terms: digital musical equipment begins to all have the same block diagram. ADC->computer->DAC with some kind of interface hanging off to the side. MIDI, though outdated, still functions well as a control interface. We see USB and Firewire emerging to handle the higher bandwidth requirement of the audio interface. Still, most musicians want some kind of basic hardware controls on the box. The hardware interface layout is determined by the device's initial feature set. Since the magic is in the software, updates to the feature set rapidly obsolete the hardware interface. The EDP is incredible in that the same hardware interface (designed how many years ago?) works quite well today. (Fabulous engineering, Matthias!) But the expansion of the MIDI interface, especially in LoopIV, shows how mature the EDP is. (Practical section starts...) So does anybody have a velocity sensitive footpedal? With that and a little KeyKit or Max programming you could map MIDI switches to multiple EDP functions. For example, light taps give you conventional Record, Overdub, quantizedRoundedMultiply, Insert, etc. and hard presses give you SUSRecord, SUSOverdub, unquantizedUnroundedMultiply, SUSInsert, etc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 22:04:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15708; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:02:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:02:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <3d.23462510.2a9c3750@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:00:48 EDT Subject: Re: Remix of b.l.u.e./live? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ArsOcarina@aol.com writes: >Oh yeah? Is this available? I hadn't heard of a remix of this before. ..... at the back end of the b.l.u.e. nights disc: one long track. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 22:06:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16404; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:05:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:05:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: mahijiru.cspc.us: www-data set sender to erwill@suitandtieguy.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fripp's achievement Message-ID: <1030413837.3d6ade0d35076@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:03:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Williamson References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.178.190 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net: > me, but playing is and has always been an escape. i > wonder what would happen if all of a sudden, my escape > took the place of what i'd been previously escaping > from. work? hehe Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 22:06:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16406; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:05:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:05:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:04:02 EDT Subject: Re: Remix of b.l.u.e./live? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com db@biink.com writes: >I think he's refering to the last track on >the second disk of B.L.U.E. Nights -> Outer Blue. yes, he is. best, dt / s-c's doppelganger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 22:10:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16159; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:04:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:04:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <186.d23b500.2a9c37dd@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:03:09 EDT Subject: Re: Fripp's achievement To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <0wZZ7B.A.-1D.i3ta9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ghunicycle@yahoo.com writes: >To me, his more important achievement is that he's able to do >something he loves, full time. ..... not to dispense w/is the fact that he is truly a stupendous, unique guitarist. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 22:16:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17464; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:13:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:13:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e101c24d6e$dea6a640$cd63f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200208261257.IAA29098@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Using the Wind Synth to control the Repeater Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:10:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Elby wrote: "I'd be interested in hearing about how you use your WX-5 to control your Repeater, Rick. Are you controlling pitch? Using pitchbend? I'm a windsynth player as well, but have never even thought about hooking mine (WX-7) up to the Repeater as a controller!!" I'm glad you asked because I'm really excited about doing this. People have triggered samples from midi sources (keys,guitars, wind, percussion controllers, sequencers and drum machines) for a long time, of course. Previously, however, people have had to record samples and then go home and edit them so that they could either be multiply triggered or looped. With the advent of the Repeater, however, we have the first opportunity to sample a sound source in real time in front of an audience.........the audience 'getting' that you are playing an instrument or an object or whatever (lfo pattern on a filter box?) and then seeing you 'play' that 'instrument' as a chromatic instrument. It is really cool to watch people be amazed as I sample a very random sound that to their ears sounds like noise and then play it melodically. Audiences get really turned on by that, I've noticed. In previous gigs I would go home and work for hours on samples and then play them on my little two octave keyboard during concerts...............Yawn!!!!! Nobody said a thing. Then a good friend of mine would play the same kinds of things (or even hackneyed stock, antiquated samples from old synth) on his wind synthesizer and people would go nuts. "What is that instrument you are playing". "Does it 'make' those sounds?" "Cool, can you show us how it works".....etc, etc....... It occured to me that because he was standing up and playing an instrument that looked, viscerally, like a saxaphone that people treated it differently than another keyboard. Long story short, I bought a wind synth and started learning saxaphone fingering, for sheer theatricalities sake. Now, I play a lot of 'found' sounds (plastic, glass, metal, wooden, wierd vocal techniques, etc.) and discovered a very hip aspect of the Repeater: It treats the un-pitched initial loop as if it is midi note C60, which means that I can play anywhere from two octaves down to one octave up. For me this meant I only had to learn all of my modes and relevant scales (I play a lot of world ethnic scales in my performances because that is my background and one of my great loves in life) in the key of C. The only drawback for playing with other instruments is that the 'found' tonal center (or actual pitch of the sampled instrument) may or probably won't be middle C. A way I get around this is by playing fretless bass (or oud or slide on any string instrument). I can swoop down and discover the tonal center and then contribute other instruments to the mix. Or, I can start with a tonal center from a traditional western (or eastern) instrument and then figure out the relative pitch of the instrument I'm using. I'll frequently do this with extended vocal techniques: warble singing, trill singing, hum-whistiling, noise production (shhhhhss, ssssssisses, etc.). Or I will play my instrument through my litte boss intellishifter (that goes right before my DL-4 floor looper) and quickly see if I can pitch the the instrument so that it matches the tonal center of the key. On my current CD I have one piece (track three, I believe) where I put a clitoral vibrator into a big pint glass and sample a loop: where it clickes and buzzes and whirs and occasionally jumps up and hits higher on the glass, which produces a distinct pitched ringing sound: It is a beautiful sound..........very, very random and chaotic and yet, as you can hear, I play a conventional melody on it about half way through the pieces. I love blowing through a plastic battery powered dayglo green plastic personal fan, producing a very synthesizer, 'bubble' type of rhythmic pattern and then half way through a piece start playing it as a melody. It's also phenomenal for things like triangle parts. You retain the groove of the triangle rhythm but start playing the ringin as a melody. I think it's cool, but I haven't sorted out how to do it while I use my behringer midi pedals simulataneously. It's looking like I have to get a much more sophisticated midi mapper (which I'm saving my money for currently). I have more work to do before I have it wired but I'm bound and determined to conquer it. I feel like I"m starting to surf a wave that hasn't been surfed yet and it's really exciting. I'd love it if some other 'surfers' would join me on that crest. Good luck with it,Elby yours, Rick Walker (aka, loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 22:30:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18774; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:29:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:29:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:24:07 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Remix of b.l.u.e./live? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000c01c24d70$d27739a0$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: > db@biink.com writes: > > >I think he's refering to the last track on > >the second disk of B.L.U.E. Nights -> Outer Blue. > yes, he is. > best, > dt / s-c's doppelganger I thought he was. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 22:42:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19467; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:40:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:40:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020827023914.4841.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:39:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Did Jimi save the Strat from extinction To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200208270210.WAA16984@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5bHXx.A.CvE.TZua9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> It's long been rumored that Fender was gonna phase out the Strat and Tele around 67 or so, because sales were down, and everyone was playing Gretschs, Rickebackers and other hollowbody guitars, because that's what the British Invasion bands used. Then, Are You Experienced came out, and Strat sales shot up. This story is mentioned in one of the books I have about the history of the Stratocaster, but in the same book, one of the chief employees at Fender at the time says that they were never planning on dropping the Strat. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 22:45:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20175; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:44:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:44:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <43.1097237d.2a9c4149@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:43:21 EDT Subject: Re: CHECKING IN To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_43.1097237d.2a9c4149_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_43.1097237d.2a9c4149_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/26/02 12:03:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: oh ricky! its the "SCOOTS GALORE BIG BAND" here: > 1)where you live > <> > 2)where you would like to perform (a city or a region) > <> > 3) whether you have the desire to perform in any other region (many people > who played the Y2K2 LOOPFEST in Santa Cruz, California made the festival an > excuse to take a vacation. Some even flew in from elsewhere to do so. > <> > and finally, > > 4) would you be willing to host a fellow looper or loopers at a local > venue > (by producing the event yourself) if they came in from out of town to play > a > show with you----- the mini-looping festival approach. > <> > Keep in mind that such a performance could just as easily be a free > performance somewhere as a paid gig. Most of our festivals in Northern > California have been free to the public for the sake of educating audiences > and increasingpopularity. > > 5) would you be willing to put a performer up at your home during the > length of their stay (not to exceed 3 months........no, just joking) > <> > --part1_43.1097237d.2a9c4149_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/26/02 12:03:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes:

oh ricky! its the "SCOOTS GALORE BIG BAND" here:

1)where you live
<<pittsburgh pa.>>


2)where you would like to perform (a city or a region)
<<usa or europe>>


3) whether you have the desire to perform in any other region (many people
who played the Y2K2 LOOPFEST in Santa Cruz, California made the festival an
excuse to take a vacation.  Some even flew in from elsewhere to do so.
<<again, usa or europe>>


and finally,

4)  would you be willing to host a fellow looper or loopers at a local venue
(by producing the event yourself) if they came in from out of town to play a
show with you-----   the mini-looping festival approach.
<<you betcha>>
Keep in mind that such a performance could just as easily be a free
performance somewhere as a paid gig.  Most of our festivals in Northern
California have been free to the public for the sake of educating audiences
and increasingpopularity.

5)  would you be willing to put a performer up at your home during the
length of their stay (not to exceed 3 months........no, just joking)
<<yepper>>


 --part1_43.1097237d.2a9c4149_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 22:46:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20269; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:45:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:45:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005b01c24d74$6b957fe0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <00b901c24bc3$cbb778e0$0affff0a@hppav> <001a01c24c49$225f7500$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Re: EDP Hardware Interface Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:49:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <1Mog0D.A.62E.rdua9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In my example no function is shared across one "button." I think you catch my drift. Let me try this another way again -- because the hardware interface on the Repeater is different, you tend to THINK and DO things differently. I'm not saying better, just different. Because the hardware interface is different, you can do different things than on the EDP, right?. My point is, if the face-plate hardware of the EDP could evolve once to "catch up" with the software, what would you and Kim like to see to make things easier for first-time buyers? The EDP is so rich in functionality -- yet a user who buys one with the Loop IV software will need TWO "manuals" to understand how to get into it. Looks like that DVD tutorial is a must have for new EDP buyers. I'd suggest one ships with every EDP box! David P.S> Evolving hardware is much harder (ouch!) than evolving the software I know. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 22:59:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21379; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:57:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:57:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017501c24d76$16080820$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: 'splattercell' remix of b.l.u.e./live Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:01:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com d-t - where? available from what label? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 23:05:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23096; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:04:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:04:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00c201c24cb5$399a4bc0$1064f93f@global> References: <200208251602.MAA17256@hemlock.violacea.com> <00c201c24cb5$399a4bc0$1064f93f@global> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 05:02:27 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: CHECKING IN Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3_tjcB.A.hmF.Lwua9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com magnific effort, Rick! sounds like a loop pool to me... ;-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 23:08:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23747; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:07:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:07:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Using the Wind Synth to control the Repeater Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:07:19 -0500 Message-ID: <003701c24d76$dae733a0$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <00e101c24d6e$dea6a640$cd63f93f@global> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here are some things I like doing with my EWI ... Build up a nice pad in my EDP to use as backing for a lead sound. Use my EDP as a drone for something like bagpipes or to play a flute over ... Sometimes I'll play a sample from my Z8 or a mixture of my synths through my Eventide Eclipse. Sometimes I play it through a diatonic shift verb type patch and the note I play on my EWI selects the scale or mode that the diatonic shifter uses to manage the chordal structure and pitch shifting. Who says a monophonic instrument can't make chords ... :-) M. Steven Ginn ******************************** Please go to Listen to the music. Purchase the CD Support the NY Firefighters 9/11 Relief Fund ******************************** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 23:09:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23745; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:07:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:07:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00b501c24d0f$050e8100$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <01cb01c24adf$b5659110$dcfaec0c@ATTBI.COM> <001401c24ae7$6ea3bb00$69894682@lance> <00b501c24d0f$050e8100$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 05:05:56 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: OT: miniTablas Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Does anybody know anything about "miniTablas?" I get a few web hits when >searching but nothing with real information. Juerg Wuethrich that created them near Bern/Switzerland died of cancer about two years ago. I never managed to meet him, but they say he was an extraordinary person up to the very end... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 23:09:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24282; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:09:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:09:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:01:34 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: 'splattercell' remix of b.l.u.e./live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001201c24d76$531ec3c0$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <017501c24d76$16080820$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" To: Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 11:01 PM Subject: 'splattercell' remix of b.l.u.e./live > d-t - > > where? available from what label? http://papabear.com/bpm.htm * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 23:09:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24307; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:09:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:09:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:03:40 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: 'splattercell' remix of b.l.u.e./live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001301c24d76$58a84e60$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <017501c24d76$16080820$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" To: Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 11:01 PM Subject: 'splattercell' remix of b.l.u.e./live > d-t - > > where? available from what label? http://www.papabear.com * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 23:10:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24749; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:09:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:09:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200208232230.SAA08096@hemlock.violacea.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020825205911.0369baa0@loopers-delight.com> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 05:08:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Santana no longer influential?!?! HORSE CHIPS!!!!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 9:27 PM -0700 8/25/02, Kim Flint wrote: > >>If we are interested in how looping can grow beyond a weird little >>niche, it has to become a part of popular music culture today. > >Aside from the obvious economic advantages, how desirable is it, >really, for looping to become mainstream? I rather enjoy being part >of a "weird little niche" culture. >-- I do believe that loads of musicians of all kinds could profit from this technology, but I dont think it ever will be mainstream. And economically its not necessary. If some % of the worlds musicians buy a unit, we can go on well. What percentage of the musicians play experimental music or dont care whether the music is up to date (ie feel in the past or in the future) ? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 23:10:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24831; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:10:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:10:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:04:36 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: 'splattercell' remix of b.l.u.e./live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001e01c24d76$79c92420$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <017501c24d76$16080820$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" To: Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 11:01 PM Subject: 'splattercell' remix of b.l.u.e./live > d-t - > > where? available from what label? http://www.papabear.com * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 23:11:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25318; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:11:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:11:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:10:02 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Pattern Sequencers In-reply-to: <3D6A821B.EA6C2D6B@ernieball.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200208261622.MAA15301@hemlock.violacea.com> <3D6A821B.EA6C2D6B@ernieball.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:31 PM -0700 8/26/02, Hans Lindauer wrote: >Would there be a use for a device which used the EDP's feature set, but >in a MIDI (as opposed to audio) context? And could the LOOP software be >adapted to such a task? Such a thing would probably be useful, though a direct mapping of Loop IV to a MIDI looping system wouldn't make as much sense as some sort of hybrid. There have been a number of MIDI recorder/players with loop functions. Opcode's Sequencer (later renamed as Vision) was one of the first, and it looping was supplemented by randomization features. Jam Factory and M offered even more extended "looping plus" capabilities, with some power algorithmic regenerators (M is still availabe from Cycling '74). Many people have taken such MIDI players into interesting realms, using languages such as Max, Forth, HMSL, etc. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 23:13:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25566; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:12:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:12:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3D6A1910.7B549C76@optonline.net> References: <200208252316.TAA28119@hemlock.violacea.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020825204823.037e1008@loopers-delight.com> <3D6A1910.7B549C76@optonline.net> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 05:10:35 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Do you even know the definition of the word influential?! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <5wue8D.A.DIG.52ua9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Kim Flint wrote: > >> Thanks Chris! I'm amazed at how perfectly you just proved my point while >> trying to argue against it. >> >> In case you haven't noticed, the 80's really did end. 1982 really was >> decades ago. The rest of the world has moved on. Sorry about that. My >> childhood heroes are old and dusty and unpopular now too. > >There must be something wrong with me. I still enjoy music that was created >more than 10 years ago. Dont worry, quite some people including me enjoy music that is 500 years old ;-) By the way, I enjoy improvizing barock, recently, its a fun comunication to follow those well known scales with a partner! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 23:19:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26349; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:19:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:19:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825194211.038c2d80@loopers-delight.com> References: <200208232230.SAA08096@hemlock.violacea.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020825194211.038c2d80@loopers-delight.com> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 05:17:24 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Nu Metal vs. Steve Vai vs. Santana Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I'm sorry if the world doesn't share your tastes in music. I dont know where you get all those informations from so exactly, but somehow I doubt you should talk about "the world"... where I walk, nobody mentions Eminem and I do spend time with young people. They listen to tango and discover Pink Floyd (no, not because their parents advise them!) and... Dont they say that "darkside of the moon" is the most sold record ever? "money" was in the charts at the time it was released, but what people still like is the rest of it... mainly "great gig in the sky"... mainly due to that incredible voice... I recently looked up her name on the CD cover - the most important singer is not mentioned! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 23:23:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26909; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:23:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:23:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825213140.0226b528@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825213140.0226b528@loopers-delight.com> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 05:21:14 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Sure, I don't think anybody disagrees with that. I certainly don't. >It helps some, I just don't think it helps all that much more than >the fact that a known artist is using the stuff in the first place. >So far as I know Gibson intends to do various artist relation >efforts with whoever they can in relation to the upcoming Echoplex >Plus dealy. In fact, that's why I know about Benny's use of the >Echoplex. Gibson called me about wanting to get him a copy of >LoopIV. You guys talk about these industry folks like they don't >know this stuff, when they are the ones doing it every single day >for years. By now they have it pretty well dialed in as to when >endorsers are effective, when they are not, and how much to invest >in it. When it isn't happening it is more because it just wasn't >making sense budget or organizationally or timing-wise. You told us repeatedly that noone listens to Santana and much less to his bass player and now you say that Gibson has the experience to select the right musicians to support... does that make sense? >... >I remember Boomerang went to the NAMM show one year. Their booth was >filled with people fascinated with their pedal every time I went by. >They never went to the show again, and later I recall them >complaining that the cost of going ended up being far higher than >the sales they ended up getting as a result. Electrix said the same >this year, and I've heard it before. That's a real danger for a >small musical instrument maker. The cost of advertising is high >compared to your income, and it might not do you nearly as much good >as the free advertising of good musicians playing good music in >front of a lot of people with your products. depends on whether the employees stay in a expensive hotel or at friends. PARADIS has been at Frankfurt show about 10 years in a row and it was reasonable, although direct sales hardly covered. In fact: without those shows, the LOOP delay would not have turned into the Echoplex and the looping comunity would be mainly european, probably ;-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 23:25:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27267; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:24:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:24:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020826202105.00b80a50@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:22:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: OT: miniTablas In-Reply-To: References: <00b501c24d0f$050e8100$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <01cb01c24adf$b5659110$dcfaec0c@ATTBI.COM> <001401c24ae7$6ea3bb00$69894682@lance> <00b501c24d0f$050e8100$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <2qhnjB.A.3kG.sCva9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What are miniTablas? Anything like MIDITablas? -Hans At 20:05 26/08/2002, you wrote: >>Does anybody know anything about "miniTablas?" I get a few web hits when >>searching but nothing with real information. > >Juerg Wuethrich that created them near Bern/Switzerland died of cancer >about two years ago. I never managed to meet him, but they say he was an >extraordinary person up to the very end... >-- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 23:40:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28374; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:39:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:39:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:03:46 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: 'splattercell' remix of b.l.u.e./live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001401c24d76$5c0f9540$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <017501c24d76$16080820$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" To: Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 11:01 PM Subject: 'splattercell' remix of b.l.u.e./live > d-t - > > where? available from what label? http://www.papabear.com * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 23:41:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28540; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:40:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:40:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:18:23 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Nu Metal vs. Steve Vai vs. Santana To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004a01c24d78$66e393c0$03ce2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200208232230.SAA08096@hemlock.violacea.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020825194211.038c2d80@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" > Dont they say that "darkside of the moon" is the most sold record ever? > "money" was in the charts at the time it was released, but what > people still like is the rest of it... mainly "great gig in the > sky"... mainly due to that incredible voice... I recently looked up > her name on the CD cover - the most important singer is not > mentioned! I remember reading that she got paid scale too. Ouch! * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 23:43:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28727; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:41:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:41:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D6AF3D7.46D29AD0@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:36:55 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Video Revived the Looping Stars References: <00b501c24d0f$050e8100$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <01cb01c24adf$b5659110$dcfaec0c@ATTBI.COM> <001401c24ae7$6ea3bb00$69894682@lance> <00b501c24d0f$050e8100$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020826202105.00b80a50@pop.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there Hans, Wanted to drop a line to see where you were at as far as the schedule for doing some shooting in September. I should certainly be able to run up there on a weekend, so let me know what looks good for you. Also, my Mac came with iMovie software which I've never spent any time fooling with, but I could conceivably help out with editing and assembly in that regard as well, if need be. Lemme know whassup (yo), and I hope you're doing well. C ya, --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 23:44:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28833; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:41:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:41:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Sender: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Spokesmodel; velocity sensitive controller; and Echo Lake on Catalina Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:28:01 -0700 Message-ID: <005901c24d79$e5e3fa60$9dd6f343@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there-- Hooray for Andre and his efforts; I continue to wish him the best and look forward to hearing more from him. I think SOMEBODY(i.e., Gibson) should bankroll an attractive (female is better; male is OK), young (lets me out) and (hopefully) talented looper to make a big splash with the Echoplex Digital Delay. I think we ALL know that money makes the entertainment world go round; if they want to create a demand for the incredible power of the EDP, they might need to help some of their potential stars ascend. Independent radio programmer, anyone? I won't begin to suggest who this star might be; perhaps they could (or have already begun to) seek out those who employ the EDP in their live acts, so as to arrange their success. I have been gone for the weekend to Catalina, an island off the coast of Los Angeles, California and so missed not only Andre's workshops and performances but also a few interesting threads. While on the island I took a tour and spied (from a distance) a volcanic crater named Echo Lake. The bus driver made mention of digital delays in his reference to the dried up lake, so at the next stop I proudly showed him my LD T-shirt (hey I advertise all the time!) and gave him the Web address. Turns out he's a musician, a bass player named Freddie from Phoenix, AZ who has been there for two years. He asked me to tell Cliff that, yes, people do live on Catalina. Maybe we could stage a loop fest there In reference to Dennis Leas' question about velocity sensitive foot controllers, I should be receiving a set of PK-5 Roland bass pedals this week that certainly fit the bill. I don't know if I will use them as he suggests, but I will check out my options--my idea is just to be able to generate a fuller sound for looping, especially with regard to the one man band approach I displayed in Santa Cruz. BTW, it's not that I only try to do songs with the looper--it's great fun to jam--I just wanted to present as professional a show as I could that would show the ability of the EDP to augment the one person band. And I really wanna see the animal part come out of the machine--that's what will sell this firecracker! All for now, good to be back--and who besides (possibly) Ted wants to come to San Diego for a (potentially non-paying) Looper's presentation? I'll go as far as LA . . . and sorry, can't put anybody up :( Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 23:52:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29807; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:51:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:51:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D6AF60E.FB47C7A6@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:46:22 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Video Revived the Looping Stars References: <00b501c24d0f$050e8100$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <01cb01c24adf$b5659110$dcfaec0c@ATTBI.COM> <001401c24ae7$6ea3bb00$69894682@lance> <00b501c24d0f$050e8100$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020826202105.00b80a50@pop.charter.net> <3D6AF3D7.46D29AD0@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6LbWe.A.wOH.Tbva9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com *ahem* Well, that obviously was meant for Hans and not the list. But... well, this should answer questions about an EDP tutorial vid, eh? *sheeeeeeesh* Getting mighty clumsy in my advancing years, --andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 26 23:59:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30539; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:59:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:59:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020826200031.00b49a18@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:48:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: CHECKING IN (California) In-Reply-To: <00c201c24cb5$399a4bc0$1064f93f@global> References: <200208251602.MAA17256@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >1)where you live San Luis Obispo, California, former Looping Capital of the World >2)where you would like to perform (a city or a region) Pretty much anywhere, given more than a months' advanced notice (depending upon finances and vacation days). >3) whether you have the desire to perform in any other region (many people >who played the Y2K2 LOOPFEST in Santa Cruz, California made the festival an >excuse to take a vacation. Some even flew in from elsewhere to do so. See above. >4) would you be willing to host a fellow looper or loopers at a local venue >(by producing the event yourself) if they came in from out of town to play a >show with you----- the mini-looping festival approach. Mini or mega. >5) would you be willing to put a performer up at your home during the >length of their stay (not to exceed 3 months........no, just joking) Absolutely. This was another idea I had after Rick's Y2K2 Loopfest: the Touring Looper's Network (a.k.a. Floor Club for Men -- no offense, Goddess - you can have the sofa). A loose affiliation of loopers willing to share their hospitality for a night or two and help score a local gig in exchange for same. Imagine Andre LaFosse or not just playing in your local pub, but actually sleeping on your hide-a-bed! Join now! Seriously, though, I'm sure that some of us would be more likely to embark on an extended looping journey if we knew that we would have places to stay along the way. Looping isn't exactly a high-dollar industry, so a little gig money and a place to throw down a sleeping bag might make it possible to at least break even. I've had a lot of fun meeting and hanging out with all of the loopers I've met and shared floorspace with so far. -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 00:13:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA32726; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:12:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:12:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020826221238.0097d750@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:12:38 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: RE: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CFC0@mitorexch01.marit z.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Regarding tori looping her voice, well, her voice is getting looped on a BT remix of Blue Sky. so she isn't actually doing it, but he is, and if Tori fans grab the BT single of her tune, then they'll hear it. she also apparently plays with him on other projects as well, so the looping thing isn't necessarily out of the question. -just my thoughts... Smiles, CQ At 12:53 PM 8/26/02 -0500, you wrote: > > >** hey . . . > > >You guys talk about these industry folks like they >don't know this stuff, when they are the ones doing it every single day for years. By now they have it pretty well dialed in as to when endorsers are effective, when they are not, and how much to invest in it. When it isn't happening it is more because it just wasn't making sense budget or >organizationally or timing-wise. > >** just for the record. i don't have any real axe to grind here - - i'm just talking about the philosophy and trying to have a reasonable conversation/head session about this all - - bring up more questions than answers. > > >But the big problem is, who are you going to use for looping endorsements that are really big enough to matter? > >** . . . and would it matter? the thing about looping is that it may not have the visceral impact that is needed to get to the kids - - either musically or lyrically (the things that "get" people when they listen to popular music). > >But what really >needs to happen is for some artists to become really huge with looping >being a big part of what they do. They will be well known for looping and many people will want it because of them. Those people make the best >endorsers, because they are selling the stuff even without an endorsement deal just by being who they are. I don't think there is anybody really like >that out there and I'm hoping to see it change. > >** right. guy with huge band has rig diagram in guit player and the copy tells how he uses looper2012xpd(tm) for "i'm crazy for your decals." the kids can go wild over the gear porn and decide they need to have one. > > >Yes, that's something, although to me dt playing with Tori Amos is a much bigger deal since she's actually likely to get a bunch of hit singles off an album and much bigger sales. Her fans are a lot younger and more >fanatical too. > >* sure, but this was more in the "analogy" area than in the "letter" area of the example. only severe musos are gonna listen to bowie - - or to david sylvian, who seems to have loads o' loops on some of his stuff. > >Still, and unfortunately, I think in both cases the focus >will be on David Bowie and Tori Amos and everything else related to it will be overshadowed by them. If Tori were looping her voice and piano on her album and in concerts that would be something. > >** oh yeah. this reminds me that my wife was all worried about me going out on tour with a minor pop star - - you know having girls hot for me. i asked her to remember the bass player for joan armatrading when we saw her. couldn't think of him - - i told her it would be the same with me, all eyes and ears would be on the "artist" . . . and are most people gonna watch someone twiddling knobs or stomping a footswitch in a deliberate and considered manner? maybe some types of audiences and some types of music, but i doubt that this is the sort of thing that arena acts are made of. > > >Right now I would say real-time looping is still stuck in an early adopter stage. It's well past the beginning experimenter stage. But the early >adopter stage has been going a long time and things haven't yet bloomed >past that to any mass acceptance stage. In my opinion it is still in a >phase where most people doing it are still figuring it out and learning how to use the ideas well enough to really incorporate it into their music. >Hopefully more of them will and we can look forward to some great and >compelling music in the future, music that captures the imagination and >interest of a wider audience who then want to play like that too. > >** yeah,. i'd have to agree with that. and then it also comes down to how much of the music is the looping. with someone like andre it seems like quite alot; with other it will much, much less. > >That's why I think people like Andre going out and trying to be teachers of looping is a good thing, and probably what the whole process really needs right now. > >** still and all, my feeling is that stuff like that isn't going to really matter until someone does it live with a hip hop band - - maybe andre will. (no offense, not trying to say that what andre is doing now doesn't matter - - just that it doesn't matter in the scale that we're talking about; it does matter, but it's all grassroots kinda stuff still.) > > >Is Gibson missing what window right now? Do you think there is something >significantly different right now from before? I honestly don't see that >window of opportunity right now, although I hope one opens sometime soon. > >** just asking the question. i don't have a clue, you're better plugged in than me. > > >To me that is the right approach at this stage. Keep things simmering along until it's really ready to take off. > >** yeah. i've been involved with some very high-end bass makers and they've given up on the advert thing, all of their sales come from people seeing their instruments used by some higher profile (at least in the fusion market) players. they've found the niche that helps them to make a living, not get spectacularly rich, etc. > >Could they even afford to? Will spending $15,000+ (or whatever it costs) on advertising with Trey Anastasio result in more than $15,000 profit on >Boomerang sales, above and beyond what they sell anyway just because he's already using it? That's a lot of Boomerangs, but that's what it would take >to make such a thing worthwhile. A risky thing to contemplate with a small niche product. It might be easier to just make sure Trey is happy and keeps >using it. > >** you could probably do as a once or twice deal and then lick your wounds and hope you see incremental sales increase over 5 years or so. and you'd have to hope that trey (or whomever) wouldn't want huge bucks to do it. as an aside, i don't think that modulus made a killing on their "flea" model bass . . . > >I remember Boomerang went to the NAMM show one year. Their booth was filled with people fascinated with their pedal every time I went by. They never went to the show again, and later I recall them complaining that the cost of going ended up being far higher than the sales they ended up getting as a result. Electrix said the same this year, and I've heard it before. > >** sure, and i've heard it from people who go every year as well. it's a huge pain and you don't always see much out of it, the hordes hanging around are sorta like people hanging around a carny freak show . . . > >That's a real danger for a small musical instrument maker. The cost of >advertising is high compared to your income, and it might not do you nearly as much good as the free advertising of good musicians playing good music in front of a lot of people with your products. > >** right. which could mean that this will always be a labor of love and a (small) niche market . . . > >stig > > >Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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Thank you. > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 00:14:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00441; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:14:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:14:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1ac.76dda81.2a9c5617@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:12:07 EDT Subject: Re: CHECKING IN (California) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1ac.76dda81.2a9c5617_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1ac.76dda81.2a9c5617_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/26/02 11:57:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, armatronix@charter.net writes: > A loose affiliation of loopers willing to share their > hospitality for a night or two i just read over 130 posts from you all and now you want to hang at my pad!.....my brain melts.....:).....michael --part1_1ac.76dda81.2a9c5617_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/26/02 11:57:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, armatronix@charter.net writes:


A loose affiliation of loopers willing to share their
hospitality for a night or two


i just read over 130 posts from you all and now you want to hang at my pad!.....my brain melts.....:).....michael --part1_1ac.76dda81.2a9c5617_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 00:17:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00808; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:16:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:16:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <023b01c24d81$27e16cc0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <00b501c24d0f$050e8100$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <01cb01c24adf$b5659110$dcfaec0c@ATTBI.COM> <001401c24ae7$6ea3bb00$69894682@lance> <00b501c24d0f$050e8100$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020826202105.00b80a50@pop.charter.net> <3D6AF3D7.46D29AD0@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Video Revived the Looping Stars Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:21:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What may be a good idea is "scripting" what you show in the video -- not the moves, but the functions you will show. a long list would be a good idea, perhaps, and then each little vignette could be a "chapter" on a dvd -- or a small real-video online. just a thought. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 00:37:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01719; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:36:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:36:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Video Revived the Looping Stars Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:32:43 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3D6AF60E.FB47C7A6@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > *ahem* > > Well, that obviously was meant for Hans and not the list. > > But... well, this should answer questions about an EDP tutorial vid, eh? > > *sheeeeeeesh* > > Getting mighty clumsy in my advancing years, > > --andre > Mr. Leak -y we are happy it came out. put me down for one! Thanks Andre Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 00:48:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02588; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:47:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:47:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.79.97.43] From: "terry o'brien" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CHECKING IN (Vancouver, BC) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:45:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2002 04:45:54.0306 (UTC) FILETIME=[A0785E20:01C24D84] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >1)where you live Vancouver, BC, Canada >2)where you would like to perform (a city or a region) US, Canada, Europe >3) whether you have the desire to perform in any other region (many people >who played the Y2K2 LOOPFEST in Santa Cruz, California made the festival an >excuse to take a vacation. Some even flew in from elsewhere to do so. Yes >4) would you be willing to host a fellow looper or loopers at a local >venue (by producing the event yourself) if they came in from out of town to >play a show with you----- the mini-looping festival approach. Yes >5) would you be willing to put a performer up at your home during the length of their stay (not to exceed 3 months........no, just joking) Yes Cheers, Terry www.anomalousdisturbances.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 00:49:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02393; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:46:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:46:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006401c24d51$cd92e0c0$03f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <1030413837.3d6ade0d35076@www.suitandtieguy.com> Subject: Re: Fripp's achievement Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:42:03 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com work? invariably, although i "enjoy" my job in that, given my options, i would rather do my job than anybody else's. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 00:55:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03192; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:54:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:54:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D6B04B2.C2F75D1C@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:48:50 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Endorsements/promotion/education/etc... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This ain't gonna be short. In my opinion, there are two challenges: 1) Making the public (or at least the musician's community in general) more acutely aware of everything looping can do/be. 2) Making the currently-existing looping community more acutely aware of everything looping can do/be. To me, these are intrinsically interrelated. In order for new people to be drawn into the looping fold, current loopers need to have a good sense of the possible tools and their myriad applications, and they need to be able to demonstrate some hint of the possible range of all of it. The more people there are who are finding new technical AND STYLISTIC niches for their looping, the more new people will be exposed to the stuff. So: reaching the public? The main thing that will "sell" looping to people is an actual audible (and, ideally, visual) demonstration of what the stuff is (and CAN BE, in terms of the different ways that potential customers might use it). An ad with a reasonably well-known musician touting looping might help... but I recall Lexicon running JamMan ads with photos/quotes by Torn and Mark Isham (amongst others) back in the day. Would Gibson have more success with an EDP ad these days? At the very least, such an ad would need to include web links to specific sound examples of this stuff, so people could actually fire up a web browser and HEAR it. But that could be tricky, since some people might never get around to doing that looking up. Even still, a good ad with some intriguing copy and interesting pictures/quotes/descriptions could lure some interested parties into checking it out. A more costly, but probably more effective approach, would be to include an audio CD (or data CD-ROM with mp3 files) with a specific musical instrument or technology magazine, showcasing different artists and - probably even more importantly - different technical and stylistic applications. For instance, Gibson could enclose a CD with every copy of Electronic Musician or Keyboard magazine, with recordings by various EDP folks using the tool in a variety of different contexts. If you put out a disc with Neal Schon, David Torn, Benny Reitveld, Amy Neuberg, Tom Heasley, Todd Reynolds, Hans Lindauer, Jon Wagner, and Steve Lawson on it, you'd have nine very different technical applications of one looper, in nine different STYLISTIC areas. Everything from electric guitar to voice to violin to bass to tuba to solo acoustic percussion to dance electronics would be covered. That could open a lot of people's ears, in a lot of different genres, and it could be a nice way to bring more widespread exposure to some more obscure artists. Or a more focused approach could work: a Bass Player Magazine EDP disc, a Guitar Player one, etc. It could reach players (and I think "players" are probably the prime market for the EDP, at least) who might not be inclined to read Electronic Musician or Keyboard. For that matter, a general article in a magazine would be great. If one or two companies and/or record labels were willing to put some advertising money into an issue, that could help spearhead an article that, for instance, could talk about different applications for guitar looping. It could cover the usual guitar-loop suspects like Fripp, Torn, Michael Brook, Chet Atkins, Keller Williams, Trey Anastasio, etc. as well as the not-so-usual ones: guys as far-flung as Neal Schon, Paul Dresher, Steve Howe, Claude Voit, et al. (And since he's a damn fine guitarist whether looping or not, I think Matthias Grob is LONG overdue for some recognition of his wonderfully musical touch on the six-string.) More to come? We'll see... --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 00:57:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03565; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:55:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:55:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c24d87$0503e420$dea45e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: <200208261622.MAA15301@hemlock.violacea.com> <3D6A821B.EA6C2D6B@ernieball.com> Subject: Re: Pattern Sequencers Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:03:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I find it intriguing, the editing possibilities of a MIDI sequencer, combined with the real-time composing and feedback of looping. Richard, you mention software toys...any known hardware units? I don't NEED quantizing, but...:-) David A. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 8:10 PM Subject: Re: Pattern Sequencers > At 12:31 PM -0700 8/26/02, Hans Lindauer wrote: > > >Would there be a use for a device which used the EDP's feature set, but > >in a MIDI (as opposed to audio) context? And could the LOOP software be > >adapted to such a task? > > Such a thing would probably be useful, though a direct mapping of > Loop IV to a MIDI looping system wouldn't make as much sense as some > sort of hybrid. > > There have been a number of MIDI recorder/players with loop > functions. Opcode's Sequencer (later renamed as Vision) was one of > the first, and it looping was supplemented by randomization features. > Jam Factory and M offered even more extended "looping plus" > capabilities, with some power algorithmic regenerators (M is still > availabe from Cycling '74). > > Many people have taken such MIDI players into interesting realms, > using languages such as Max, Forth, HMSL, etc. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 01:13:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05961; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 01:12:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 01:12:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D6B0930.3221692A@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:08:00 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Hardware Interface References: <00b901c24bc3$cbb778e0$0affff0a@hppav> <001a01c24c49$225f7500$0affff0a@hppav> <005b01c24d74$6b957fe0$0affff0a@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi David, David wrote: > Let me try this another way again -- because the hardware interface on the > Repeater is different, you tend to THINK and DO things differently. I'm not > saying better, just different. Because the hardware interface is different, > you can do different things than on the EDP, right?. Not really. You can indeed do different things, but the reason has to do with the software inside - of which the hardware is merely a way of accessing it. So the differences in the Repeater and the EDP aren't a question of the layout of the interface - it's a question of how the software being interfaced was designed to run in the first place. > My point is, if the face-plate hardware of the EDP could evolve once to > "catch up" with the software, what would you and Kim like to see to make > things easier for first-time buyers? Personally - and this is something I've tried to say many times - there are very deep and carefully laid-out reasons why the seven specific function buttons are on the front EDP faceplate and footpedal. Just about every single snazzy DirectMIDI command I can think of is still ultimately a souped-up version of a function which is fundamentally accessed through a front panel button press (or combination of button presses). So this actually gets back to your issue about "thinking and doing" based on the front panel design. > The EDP is so rich in functionality -- yet a user who buys one with the Loop > IV software will need TWO "manuals" to understand how to get into it. Yet that richness in functionality is a reflection of the depth with which the basic core functions have been thought out and implemented. The more the core foundation concepts are studied, the more the overall instrument comes into focus. There are several DOZEN DirectMIDI commands - that's too many to squeeze into a reasonably-sized interface, and at a certain point, I think players who understand the EDP architecture enough will want to start personalizing their own interfaces, i.e. customizing MIDI pedal banks, etc. Until then, though, I still think that studying the core seven function buttons is important before venturing off into DirectMIDI territory. Enough email for one night, from me, I think, yes indeed, to wit: --Dre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 01:13:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05744; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 01:11:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 01:11:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.6; T1.001; A1.48; B2.12; Q2.03) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 05:09:30 UT From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Epoch: 1030424971 X-Sasl-enc: HYjAOTFAWj77fRTHFTMPBw Subject: Re: Popularity/influence/etc. Message-Id: <20020827050930.BA6032FD3F@server3.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:35:27 -0700, "Andre LaFosse" said: > For my own personal music-making, I feel the same way. But at the same > time, my favorite real-time loopist is probably Amy Neuberg, whose thanks for the tip, i will check it out. > With all due respect, I absolutely cannot understand this idea at all. > Jam Bands play improvised music, and Phish is playing Madison Square > Garden on New Year's Eve. Well Phish is an exception to everything. They play stadiums despite no radio airplay or MTV. In a way, they's still not mainstream despite being so huge. To me, the average non-musician likes written songs with words that he can sing along to, both on the radio, and when he goes to a concert. That is the impression I've gotten from the people I've met and what i hear and see on the radio and mtv. Of course many people listen to improvised music, but i wouldn't call it mainstream. But that depends what one considers to be "mainstream." I know improv doesn't automatically equal experimental, but i don't see an improv-based piece going #1 anytime soon either. Ernesto -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm -- Does exactly what it says on the tin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 01:38:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA07453; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 01:38:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 01:38:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020826221111.00b7efc0@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:36:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: Pattern Sequencers In-Reply-To: References: <3D6A821B.EA6C2D6B@ernieball.com> <200208261622.MAA15301@hemlock.violacea.com> <3D6A821B.EA6C2D6B@ernieball.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 20:10 26/08/2002, Dr. Z wrote: >At 12:31 PM -0700 8/26/02, Hans Lindauer wrote: > >>Would there be a use for a device which used the EDP's feature set, but >>in a MIDI (as opposed to audio) context? And could the LOOP software be >>adapted to such a task? > >Such a thing would probably be useful, though a direct mapping of Loop IV >to a MIDI looping system wouldn't make as much sense as some sort of hybrid. True. But I already have an EDP ;) >There have been a number of MIDI recorder/players with loop functions. >Opcode's Sequencer (later renamed as Vision) was one of the first, and it >looping was supplemented by randomization features. Jam Factory and M >offered even more extended "looping plus" capabilities, with some power >algorithmic regenerators (M is still availabe from Cycling '74). Most any MIDI sequencer will allow real-time recording, looping, overdubbing, and replace functionalities. What I was shooting for was something that could set the loop length on the fly (with quantization happening after the loop length is set, if desired), and allow Multiply, Insert, and NextLoop-type functions, with variable feedback. I think LOOP handles these functions very well. >Many people have taken such MIDI players into interesting realms, using >languages such as Max, Forth, HMSL, etc. These programming environments can deal with MIDI data and clock in roughly the same way that the EDP's audio codec handles audio, correct? -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 01:52:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08455; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 01:51:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 01:51:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020826215819.02a9e7c0@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:03:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: Pattern Sequencers In-Reply-To: <3D6AADE6.3781D9D9@optonline.net> References: <200208261622.MAA15301@hemlock.violacea.com> <3D6A821B.EA6C2D6B@ernieball.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:38 PM 8/26/2002 -0400, Greg Waltzer wrote: >Hans Lindauer wrote: > > > > Would there be a use for a device which used the EDP's feature set, but > > in a MIDI (as opposed to audio) context? And could the LOOP software be > > adapted to such a task? > >I've long wished for a sequencer that can do what a looper does (but with >midi). I'll second that!!! There was an old program called UltraMidi that I used to run on my Atari's. It was kind of a MIDI-mapper on steroids. Any MIDI event could trigger any other MIDI event, including micro-sequences, sysex strings...pretty much anything you could imagine. Unfortunately, it had poor latency and that made it really hard to use. You never could get all the different events to sync up properly, which became really frustrating. It was a great concept, however. I just wish it had been a little better executed (or that it sold well enough to get past version 1.0). Today, I love some of the simple, spontaneous things you can do with Ableton Live. But that uses sound clips exclusively, not MIDI sequences. An 'Ableton'-type program that duplicated those functions but acted on MIDI mini-sequences instead would just rock to no end. And if it incorporated built-in support for VST plugins and (especially!) VSTi's, I think I might finally chuck Cubase. Heck, system link notwithstanding, seems like MIDI & VSTi's are all I ever use it for anyway. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 01:54:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08704; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 01:53:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 01:53:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020827055204.17598.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:52:04 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Marketing the EDP To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can't believe that people wanting to sell this product keep bringing up hacks like Fripp & Torn. Has either of these guys ever seen the inside of a football stadium without buying a ticket? And why all the discussion of dead guys like Hendrix & Bach? Sure, it would have been cool if they'd had an EDP, but they're giving demos at Harp Center now. Yes, why all this discussion of dead-guys & wanna-bes when we still have amongst us a living, breathing, guitar GOD!!! Introducing the Gibson AcePerplexer! This product can be easily brought to market by a simple redesign of the EDP's face-plate. Comparison- Gibson EchoPlex Gibson AcePerplexer 1)Record ROCK! 2)OverDub PAUL! 3)Multiply ROLL! 4)Insert HUH? 5)Mute COMA! 6)Undo AwFuk! 7)NextLoop Do Not Touch! I also strongly recommend that the product be shipped with a piece of black tape over the midi connections. :) John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 02:00:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10389; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 01:59:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 01:59:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:57:18 -0700 Subject: Re: Pattern Sequencers From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D6A821B.EA6C2D6B@ernieball.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/26/02 12:31 PM, Hans Lindauer at hans@ernieball.com wrote: > Would there be a use for a device which used the EDP's feature set, but > in a MIDI (as opposed to audio) context? And could the LOOP software be > adapted to such a task? I've given some thought to that idea. I've even wondered whether one could reuse the EDPs hardware with alternate ROMs (since it does have a full complement of MIDI ports). The EDP interface is a little constraining when one considers how much potential there is in having the raw MIDI data rather than audio, but I don't even know of a hardware device that will "simply" do with MIDI data what the EDP does with audio. On the general subject of pattern sequencers, has Roland ever done a version of their RPS stuff that has good realtime record capabilities as well as playback? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 02:18:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11501; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 02:17:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 02:17:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020827000406.029eaba0@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 01:12:55 -0500 To: From: Catilyne Subject: RE: Repeater spotted for sale In-Reply-To: <001a01c24d53$857f4510$0601a8c0@SATAN> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825215848.00af4fb0@icicle.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "!!!" Okay, paradigm shift -- light bulb slowly starts to turn up from dim... Or, in other words, where'd I put that damn checkbook. ;) I've gotta admit, it didn't occur to me to use slip in such a radical manner (I'm used to shifting tracks a smidgen here or there just so they'll sit in a groove). It makes sense, though, and with the right amount of MIDI tweeking it shouldn't be too hard to set up macros for randomly accessing just about any portion of the loop and reordering it to suit. And in tandem with time/pitch distortion? Well, let's just say I think I might be able to find enough to keep me busy... <*evil grin*> As for decomposition, I was more or less interested in the way the sound/loop decomposes, or degenerates over time. I enjoy seeing what kind of interesting artifacts start to come out as a sample begins to fall apart. However, using your example below, it would be just as interesting to "decompose" the groove in a very interesting manner. And effects? Trust me, I got a gazillion! I learned how much life they can breathe into a sterile synth sound a long time back, even before they started integrating them into the synths themselves. My only trouble now is limiting myself to an eight-channel mixer with two mono effect sends. Relatedly, I'll probably be putting the Repeater in series with a Lex MPX-100. Have you had better luck with effect units in line before or after the Repeater? Thanks again! -c- At 12:50 AM 8/27/2002 +0200, Rainer Straschill wrote: >Hey -c-, > >I don't know if I understand what people (or, more specifically, you) mean >by "decomposition". But I think there are some cool things you can do with a >Repeater (or partially an Echoplex) which you might find appealing, >especially when using it together with a sequencer. While I haven't done >this myself, I guess that by clever combination of slip, trim, start/stop, >reverse, pitch shift and changing speed, you can do some crazy things like >reordering the sequence of events in a certain loop, most of it >independently for the four tracks. Say you've got a four-bar rock drum >groove on stereo pair 1+2 (recorded at home, perhaps from some original >source) and a i-iv-VI-V synth chord progression on track 3 (recorded at home >with your Prophet or during performance from one of your synths). You could >then reorder the synth chord progression to V-iv-i-i, or you could use the >beginning of bar 3's bass drum to run this track via a separate output >through a filter, filter the bass drum, and rerecord this to track 4, which >you would then use to turn your rock drum groove into a house drum groove by >slipping the very bass drum (now on track 4) to every beat. This has so far >happened without time compression and pitch shift. Then, by varispeeding the >whole thing and at the same time pitchshifting track 3, you could double the >speed of the drum groove, while keeping the synths at same length and pitch. >You might then resample the bass drum from track 4 into your pitched drum >loop, and while having the four bars run into a D2 delay, put the muted >Repeater into reverse and overdub something else onto track 4, before >killing the D2 and at the same time returning the Repeater to forward and >unmuting it, to have your "organic" reverse stuff on track 4 run with the >groove (which you might then also run through a Kaoss Pad via the effects >loop). > >Speaking of the Kaoss Pad, a quick look on my big rig's patchbay shows me >the current patchwork repeater effects send->Kaoss Pad->repeater effects >return :-) > >The above are just a few weird ideas, and I guess it would be extremely >challenging to do this in "realtime" (i.e. by sending the necessary CC by >hand), but I guess if you assign a few "macros" to hotkeys in your sequencer >(I think for example Cubase does this, but I haven't worked with Cubase >intensively for something like 3 years), you could realize some of these >functions and still retain a "spontaneous" element. > >And think about using effects in general. Lots of effects. The "cold and >emotionless" synthesizers do gain so much from the use of effects. > >And again, here are lots of people who do crazy things with an EDP, and >there are some people who do crazy things with EDP and Repeater be sure to >get their input! > > > Rainer > >Rainer Straschill >Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de >digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de >The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > > > Thanks for the note back, Rainer, although I'd politely > > disagree with your > > assertion that it's "not much of a help". ;) > > > > In fact, I believe that in many instances I'd use the > > Repeater just as you > > are. But since I was a little vague in my previous > > description, let me go > > into a bit more detail. > > > > I figured out a long time ago that I seem to base almost > > everything I do > > off some sort of ostinato, some set of repeating patterns. > > The interest > > for me comes in the interaction between the different parts, > > and in their > > evolution/de-evolution in relation to each other. > > > > Now I'm also a synth junkie -- can't help it, I've always > > loved 'em. And > > this whole episode started when I decided to pare down my > > system to just a > > laptop setup. Since there were a few hardware modules I > > really didn't want > > to do without, I decided to supplement with a small portable > > rack (which, > > if I add the Repeater, is now up to a 12-space -- small and > > portable my > > @$#!). :P > > > > With the new system, I can do just about anything I need to > > do as far as > > sequences and their manipulations. I've got enough gear to > > handle that in > > realtime. But, as I'm sure you'll agree, locking into a > > sequencer tends to > > turn a performance into an artifact rather than an experience. If I > > wanted, I could probably set everything up onstage, press > > play, and go home > > for the evening. That's not what I'm looking for. I've > > still got some > > constraints I've put upon myself. I've got to establish an > > underlying > > beat/pulse, for instance, but over the top of that I'm looking for > > something a bit more organic. > > > > As I was looking for a method to get around this dilemma, I began > > remembering the recordings of those early tape loop > > experiments from people > > such as Eno & Fripp and Steve Reich, amongst others. It > > wasn't just the > > juxtaposition of the different parts that was interesting, > > but also the way > > in which the older parts gradually degraded as new ones were > > put down over > > the top of them. That was one of the things that originally > > attracted me > > to the Echo Pro, with its models of the old tape and platter > > looping devices. > > > > So, getting back to the Repeater, if it were nothing more > > than a realtime > > digital 4-track, then you're correct -- it wouldn't be of > > much use to me in > > this setup. But, reading through some of your other comments > > (as well as > > once again going through Mark Sottilaro's review on the > > website) leads me > > to believe that there are indeed some rather interesting ways > > to not only > > layer, but also to "decompose" your loops. Would I be > > correct in saying that? > > > > My original inclination was to see if I could simply "cheap > > out" and get > > the Echo Pro to accomplish some of the things I needed it to. > > But I'm > > beginning to think that the Repeater may actually be a bit > > more viable > > option for going about this. For instance, I've got an old > > Korg Kaos pad > > that I hadn't planned on integrating into my rig, but the > > effects loop on > > the Repeater seems the perfect place for it. Also, I've got > > a few synths > > that I love dearly (Prophet VS, Kawaii K5k) that I will just > > not take out > > of the house for fear of something happening to them. > > Because the Repeater > > can save data in a nonvolatile format, I could record synth > > clusters as > > loops instead of sampling them into the computer, then play them back > > repitched via MIDI. Neat! > > > > I think I'm leaning toward springing the bucks for one of > > these, but I'm > > still open to arguments pro or con if you (or anybody else) > > has any more > > feedback. > > > > Thanks again for your thoughts, Rainer! > > > > -c- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 02:26:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11969; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 02:26:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 02:26:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:24:28 -0700 Subject: Synths considered harmful (was Re: Using the Wind Synth to control the Repeater) From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00e101c24d6e$dea6a640$cd63f93f@global> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm going to try out a proposition here. I wouldn't say I actually believe it, but it's a mildly provocative thought and lord knows this list needs provocation. Synths are bad for looping. Why? As anyone who has been to a loopfest will report, odd noises and sonic manipulation tend to be in abundance. Arguably, that's one of the things a looper is good for. Now, when people hear such noises, they probably just think "Oh. A synthesizer." Guitar synths make matters worse. If a guitar player is looking to expand his or her tonal palette, a guitar synth will probably win out over a looper. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 02:56:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13593; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 02:56:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 02:56:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020827065506.36355.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:55:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Pink Floyd To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200208270344.XAA29207@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> Ten years ago, when a book called Saucerful Of Secrets: The Pink Floyd Odyssey was published, it cited Dark Side as the fourth biggest selling album of all time. For the record, the three biggest selling albums, according to this book, were: 1 Micheal Jackson's Thriller, 2 the soundtrack to Saturday Night Fever 3 Fleetwood Mac's Rumors Now, as I understand, a couple years ago, The Eagles Greatest Hits over took Micheal Jackson, and I'm not sure what the rest of the list would look like today. As for the credits on Dark Side Of The Moon, I don't know about the CD booklet, but the LP, all of the backing musicians are listed. Claire Torry is the name of the vocalist heard on Great Gig In The Sky (she reprised her performance when Floyd appeared at the Knebworth Festival in 1990). The other vocalists are also listed, though I can't name the names off hand), the saxophonist on Money and Us And Them is Dick Parry, who also appeared on Shine On You Crazy Diamond on the next album, Wish You Were Here. Parry also toured with Pink Floyd during the 73-77 era, essentially reprising his solos from the studio versions of those songs (though he also played keyboards a bit on the 77 tour). He also toured with Pink Floyd in 94 (he also appears on one song on The Division Bell). ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 03:21:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA15624; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 03:11:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 03:11:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020826233450.03a49ec8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:06:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Nu Metal vs. Steve Vai vs. Santana In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825194211.038c2d80@loopers-delight.com> <200208232230.SAA08096@hemlock.violacea.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020825194211.038c2d80@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:17 PM 8/26/2002, Matthias Grob wrote: >>I'm sorry if the world doesn't share your tastes in music. > >I dont know where you get all those informations from so exactly, but >somehow I doubt you should talk about "the world"... where I walk, nobody >mentions Eminem and I do spend time with young people. They listen to >tango and discover Pink Floyd (no, not because their parents advise them!) >and... I guess you will be shocked to learn who the number 1 artist in Switzerland is right now: Eminem! http://top40-charts.com/chart.php?cid=23 Eminem is also: #2 in Germany #3 in France #8 in Italy #1 in Austria #4 in Denmark #6 in Belgium and #1 for Europe overall #14 in Brazil #6 in Argentina #15 in Chile #8 in Taiwan #6 for radio airplay in 78 countries combined and #2 for the world overall, behind Nelly. Eminem seems like a fairly popular guy. look at those charts. One thing you notice is the same artists appear again and again on all the charts for a large part of the world. The same types of music appear again and again. Globalization affects popular music culture too. Most of the artists are from the US, followed by Britain. Some parts of the world support their native musicians better than others, like Brazil, but most don't. No need for anecdotal evidence, the numbers are there. That's why I think if real-time looping techniques became associated with a popular wave of music culture, looping itself would rapidly become popular worldwide. There is no sort of advertising that could reach all over the world in the way a few popular musicians can. >Dont they say that "darkside of the moon" is the most sold record ever? they don't just say it, the charts show it. That album has been on the Billboard Catalog charts for 1324 weeks. Pretty amazing. I guess people smoke pot all over the world. Also ranking on the catalog charts is the last two albums from our friend Eminem, at #2 and #19. He's a bit younger than Pink Floyd so he's only been on the charts for 123 weeks. http://www.billboard.com/billboard/charts/popcat.jsp Then there's the soundtrack for the movie Coyote Ugly, on the catalog charts for 107 weeks. I can't explain that one. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 03:24:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16450; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 03:22:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 03:22:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: Tablas (was: miniTablas) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:22:02 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020826202105.00b80a50@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: 520030663132-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com for those who like Indian music but aren't capable of playing tablas, sitar, etc: Check out the awesome Swarshala software at http://www.swarsystems.com. It will play the tablas for you (among other instruments), and teach you the theory. = michael peters = computer graphics + electronic music = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb = www.mp3.com/veloopity From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 03:31:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16223; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 03:21:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 03:21:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.113.4.204] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #568 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:18:55 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2002 07:18:56.0061 (UTC) FILETIME=[0138FED0:01C24D9A] Resent-Message-ID: <1CU6mB.A.K6D._fya9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hans Said: >This was another idea I had after Rick's Y2K2 Loopfest: the Touring >Looper's Network (a.k.a. Floor Club for Men -- no offense, Goddess - you >can have the sofa). A loose affiliation of loopers willing to share their >hospitality for a night or two and help score a local gig in exchange for >same. Imagine Andre LaFosse or not just playing in your local pub, but >actually sleeping on your hide-a- bed! Join now! I don't know. That's an awful lot of effort to get Andre LaFosse into one's hide-a-bed! _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 03:44:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17783; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 03:37:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 03:37:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020827003118.03a7e228@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:38:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Popularity/influence/etc. In-Reply-To: <20020827050930.BA6032FD3F@server3.fastmail.fm> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:09 PM 8/26/2002, ernesto schnack wrote: > > With all due respect, I absolutely cannot understand this idea at all. > > Jam Bands play improvised music, and Phish is playing Madison Square > > Garden on New Year's Eve. > >Well Phish is an exception to everything. They play stadiums despite >no radio airplay or MTV. In a way, they's still not mainstream despite >being so huge. To me, the average non-musician likes written songs >with words that he can sing along to, both on the radio, and when he >goes to a concert. That is the impression I've gotten from the people >I've met and what i hear and see on the radio and mtv. Of course many >people listen to improvised music, but i wouldn't call it mainstream. >But that depends what one considers to be "mainstream." I know improv >doesn't automatically equal experimental, but i don't see an >improv-based piece going #1 anytime soon either. A lot of rappers improvise their raps. Many of them really take pride in that skill. I think it follows the same social-historical arc that jazz comes from, with the same improvisational traditions in a new form. The dj scratching in hip-hop is almost always improvised. Listening to Q-bert reminds me more of listening to Charlie Parker than anything else. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 03:55:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA19457; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 03:55:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 03:55:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:53:47 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: action plan Cc: Kevin VanPamel Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Basically we agreed on some important things that have been said about what we want and need so this comunity grows healthy. Since its spread in so much text, I try to conclude here (sorry, if its somewhat subjective, naturally): Situation Although a lot of time passed and lot of efforts have been done, the public and the most musicians are not much aware yet of what live looping means, or what it really means. - thats sad for us, because - we dont get the respect we deserve for our art form - tecnical development is inhibited: - we keep loosing good tools because the market is too small (JamMan, Repeater) - there is a lack of a low cost tool that does as much as such HW allows - the existing tools need improvement but - there was not enough economical success to support that - the functions available are rather bigger that the users capacity to use them Direction: We need to inform people and ideally make those happy who would want to experience what we do but dont know about it - by: - supporting musicians that make a pleasent music - teaching musicians about the tools and possible musical forms so they - by videos, possibly by several artists explaining their approach - workshops - collect all usefull information sent to this list and organize it on the site - make the Loopers Of the World catalog attractive for booking agencies - teaching the public about it and how to follow such a creation - creating a looppool where events this art form are documented and stimulated - creating a sticker saying "I am so loopie, be my groopie" with spirals on tits ;-) Ressources: for this we need a colective effort of this comunity with the industry that creates the tools and the media. Money, work, information and ideas have to flow and be shared and divided justly amongst the most competent and involved people. Somebody may have to coordenate things... or not, lets see... We need to be aware that it probably takes another while. ... and it will be fun! Feel free to fill in more lines :-O but please not so heavy discussions, none of us is totally right anyway, we rather need positive input... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 03:55:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA19630; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 03:55:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 03:55:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020826202105.00b80a50@pop.charter.net> References: <00b501c24d0f$050e8100$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <01cb01c24adf$b5659110$dcfaec0c@ATTBI.COM> <001401c24ae7$6ea3bb00$69894682@lance> <00b501c24d0f$050e8100$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020826202105.00b80a50@pop.charter.net> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:53:57 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: OT: miniTablas Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >What are miniTablas? Anything like MIDITablas? I have the original web page here if its not available any more: http://www.tabla.com/minitabla/minitabla.html > >-Hans > > >At 20:05 26/08/2002, you wrote: >>>Does anybody know anything about "miniTablas?" I get a few web hits when >>>searching but nothing with real information. >> >>Juerg Wuethrich that created them near Bern/Switzerland died of >>cancer about two years ago. I never managed to meet him, but they >>say he was an extraordinary person up to the very end... >>-- -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 03:56:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA19782; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 03:55:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 03:55:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3D6A7B7A.F9FC5F27@zerocrossing.net> References: <3D6A7B7A.F9FC5F27@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:54:11 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Crimson Bashing/Relevent Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Dinosaurs didn't die because they stopped being relevent, they died because >their world got hit by a really big stone. :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 03:57:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA20178; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 03:55:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 03:55:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3D6A821B.EA6C2D6B@ernieball.com> References: <200208261622.MAA15301@hemlock.violacea.com> <3D6A821B.EA6C2D6B@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:54:22 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Pattern Sequencers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >This reminds me of something I was thinking about a couple of weeks ago, >on my drive home from the Santa Cruz Loopfest. > >Would there be a use for a device which used the EDP's feature set, but >in a MIDI (as opposed to audio) context? And could the LOOP software be >adapted to such a task? we are working on that > >-Hans > > >> Greg, >> >> Are these things basically MIDI loopers? Any place where a genre >> description is available? >> >> David >> >> > Notron is the king of real time step sequencers. >> > But unfortunately, it is no longer made and nearly impossible to >> get. >> > >> > For new developments, check these out: >> > >> > http://tidalmusic.homestead.com/files/so_main_files/step-one.htm >> > >> > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/instruments.html >> > >> > http://www.technotoys.com/mikado/ >> > >> > Currently available step sequencers: >> > >> > http://www.frostwave.com/fatcontroller/index.html >> > >> > http://www.sospubs.co.uk/sos/feb00/articles/mamsq16.htm >> > >> > http://www.clavia.se/nordmodular/index.htm >> > >> > http://www.doepfer.de/maq_e.htm >> > >> > http://www.technosaurus.ch/cyclodon.htm >> > >> > Also, there are lots of nifty pattern sequencers (RM1x, XL-7, >> Electribe, >> too many >> > to list), as well as vintage analog gear. >> > >> > If you prefer software: >> > >> > http://algoart.com/web/softstep.htm >> > >> > Notron info: >> > >> > http://www.3phase.org/notron/ -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 03:57:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA19038; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 03:54:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 03:54:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:52:12 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: why so heavy? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The sun is coming up, but I cannot find sleep... "mainstream" and "old fart" circulates... Full Moon, this week end, huh? I spend a lot of time reading all those looong mails that derived from the Santana thread I started and turned into something I dont feel right with... Hey, Kim, this is the meeting point we (or you or whoever) started - is this really the tone and conversation we like? It sounds so cold and harsh to me! This list is a sensitive spot. From the majority I read that they dont care about the mainstream, why would you make all this effort to make us feel old and/or crazy? Its certainly interesting to avaliate what sounds out of the open car windows in Oakland. To be cool, you cannot turn up loud anything which is "out", but the world is so huge! And also in US so much sounds softly and behind closed windows. The charts document the success of the economy system that drove us into that heavy crisis the world (yes, not US!) is suffering from - I dont want to support that! I suspect what we call mainstream is not the majority, just the most recent major minority... For the majority, most of the time, there is too much traffic jam and noise arround mainstream things. I totally agree that we neither economically nor culturally get very far if we stick to crazy music, but let it live and grow. If I go through the mp3 I downloaded so far, I find most very strange stuff. I dont mind, because I dont know where it leads to or what is "in". I am happy that everyone can come out with his thing and all has something to it! And there is some stuff that I reeely like! I cannot not point at any "product" though that I could see in the charts. And its not typical for this kind of creation, it fits smaller events better. Few improvise on big stages, they rather would use prerecorded samples... Hey, I did not spend all those years of work so at some point some band makes a huge hit and I get a million and half year later you tell me "oh no, that sound is old crap now". So please read about the way out in the following mail... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 03:59:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21173; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 03:58:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 03:58:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:56:36 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Valentino and his kind Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As everyone knows, I am a fan of Max Valentino. His music is not crazy, not old, not mainstream, not very different, but its pleasent, organized, flowing, grooving, alive - and a noisy recording ;-) He lives of that music and serves a lot of people. This music can be used in all kinds of events, pleases almost anyone, calls some atention, but leaves you at ease... I am not discussing here that this music of any more artistic value than any other, but economically it works and as an example it seems pretty appropriate to me. Every little city needs a guy like that. Thats a market for all of us, no? By the way, the most simple way to bring us into the charts is by creating our own ;-) If everyone points at someone else here, we are done... but no, hold it, thats too many emails ;-) and I would not want to vote in only one guy... Rick makes people laugh and seduces them in a way you just dont experience it from a big stage. Every city needs one of his kind, too! ;-) In Europe, Mich Gerber fills his delicate but firm contra bass shows And Claude will... ...and so on. now that I feel how we are basically really great, I can sleep, maybe ;-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 04:00:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA20143; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 03:55:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 03:55:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3D6A8A8A.84E96EA2@earthlink.net> References: <3D6A8A8A.84E96EA2@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:53:52 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Popularity/influence/etc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >In other words, is there anything about the actual sonic result that >will offer something that can be substantially distinct from what can be >done in a standard step-time studio assembly manner? sure, the operation of it: almost every composer is an improviser at home and wants a fluent tool even if he trashes the recording. and more and more, the composers will not have enough musicians available to play all of their composition. >This to me is one of the fundamental challenges - not just in a >promotion/advertising sense, but in a purely creative and aesthetic one. > Can you actually accomplish a MUSICAL or PERFORMATIVE result with these >tools that WOULDN'T be possible by just playing a pre-recorded backing >track or spending a few days splicing and dicing on a computer? Just >because you CAN do this stuff in real time, is there any intrinsic >musical result that truly TAKES ADVANTAGE of the real-time angle? Can >you inspire people to WANT to take the time to learn the physical and >mental technique of using a real-time looper, when they could just >endlessly manipulate pre-packaged drum loops in a software sequencer instead? Many want to repeat the compositions live. Sonicly the result may be a little worse, but the feeling is stronger. Mich Gerber just recently repeated that to me. He now controls all his EDPs from a sequencer, so he just plays on stage and has no freedom to change the composition, but still interprets them, puts that thing that does not fit on any recorder... thats one of the points we have to explain to the *public*, too, so they become aware and valorize! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 04:00:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21175; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 03:58:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 03:58:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020827004709.022d1890@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:59:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Santana no longer influential?!?! HORSE CHIPS!!!!!! In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825205911.0369baa0@loopers-delight.com> <200208232230.SAA08096@hemlock.violacea.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020825205911.0369baa0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:28 AM 8/26/2002, Richard Zvonar wrote: >At 9:27 PM -0700 8/25/02, Kim Flint wrote: > >>If we are interested in how looping can grow beyond a weird little niche, >>it has to become a part of popular music culture today. > >Aside from the obvious economic advantages, how desirable is it, really, >for looping to become mainstream? I rather enjoy being part of a "weird >little niche" culture. hmm, I don't really understand that statement. why would a wider acceptance of looping affect your desire to remain obscure? Guitar is one of the most popular instruments in the world. Yet experimental guitarists are still able to be as experimental as they like. The instrument's popularity otherwise does not harm them or prevent them from being as far outside the mainstream as they like. If anything, it helps. Because guitar is a popular instrument, the experimental guitarist has a wide array of choices in guitars and guitar-related products. Many options for features, price, quality, color, whatever. New products come out all the time. With looping, you have few choices. Products are rarely updated or disappear completely. New products hardly ever appear. Supportive manufacturers lose interest or go out of business. Users have to make many compromises in terms of price/features/quality because there is so little incentive for anybody to make products for them. Wider acceptance of looping would change that. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 04:11:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA23796; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 04:09:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 04:09:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020826233450.03a49ec8@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825194211.038c2d80@loopers-delight.com> <200208232230.SAA08096@hemlock.violacea.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020825194211.038c2d80@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020826233450.03a49ec8@loopers-delight.com> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:08:24 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Nu Metal vs. Steve Vai vs. Santana Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 08:17 PM 8/26/2002, Matthias Grob wrote: > >>>I'm sorry if the world doesn't share your tastes in music. >> >>I dont know where you get all those informations from so exactly, >>but somehow I doubt you should talk about "the world"... where I >>walk, nobody mentions Eminem and I do spend time with young people. >>They listen to tango and discover Pink Floyd (no, not because their >>parents advise them!) and... > >I guess you will be shocked to learn who the number 1 artist in >Switzerland is right now: > >Eminem! I am not shocked not to know who is nr 1 here, because I never cared about. I am surprised thought that its possible to stay 3 month here and talk to musicians and nephews and watch TV and never cross nr 1... > >look at those charts. One thing you notice is the same artists >appear again and again on all the charts for a large part of the >world. The same types of music appear again and again. Globalization >affects popular music culture too. Most of the artists are from the >US, followed by Britain. Some parts of the world support their >native musicians better than others, like Brazil, but most don't. No >need for anecdotal evidence, the numbers are there. do they tell you more about Globalization or about the quality of US artist? >That's why I think if real-time looping techniques became associated >with a popular wave of music culture, looping itself would rapidly >become popular worldwide. There is no sort of advertising that could >reach all over the world in the way a few popular musicians can. certainly true, but pretty out of reach >Then there's the soundtrack for the movie Coyote Ugly, on the >catalog charts for 107 weeks. I can't explain that one. > >kim so no reason to give up -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 04:39:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA25193; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 04:38:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 04:38:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann \(E-mail\)" Sender: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Attitudes and Hairdos Again Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 01:21:45 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c24da2$df9638c0$d1d6f343@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The fact that rap is very popular and instrumental music is difficult for most folks to follow does not prevent me from using delays to multitrack my guitar and synth controller. I wish we could all be popular but that's just not possible. If you want to be popular, "Give the People What They Want" (which is probably sex and violence). It's a problem filled world and not getting any prettier in my neck of the woods (I can walk to Dad's Bar {2 miles} and Westerfield/Van Dam's houses {3 miles}). Looping can help the world get better only if the people using loopers want it that way. I am very grateful for the efforts of Aurisis and wish all concerned the best. But the music/musical manufacturing business is just a business. If artists can put out a positive message in a profitable way, THEN you get their attention. Let me know if I can help. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 04:56:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26481; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 04:55:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 04:55:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020827015614.022d9360@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 01:57:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Nu Metal vs. Steve Vai vs. Santana In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020826233450.03a49ec8@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020825194211.038c2d80@loopers-delight.com> <200208232230.SAA08096@hemlock.violacea.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020825194211.038c2d80@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020826233450.03a49ec8@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:08 AM 8/27/2002, Matthias Grob wrote: >>That's why I think if real-time looping techniques became associated with >>a popular wave of music culture, looping itself would rapidly become >>popular worldwide. There is no sort of advertising that could reach all >>over the world in the way a few popular musicians can. > >certainly true, but pretty out of reach If you believe it is out of reach, then it is. I don't believe that. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 04:56:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26077; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 04:54:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 04:54:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014501c24da7$6cc01500$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <20020826232552.7731.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Fripp's achievement Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:54:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bingo-rama. Spot on. Abso-friggin-lutely. One of the most influential - and more forgotten - aspects of RF's work has been not the playing itself but rather the business he did in the early 80s, in the years leading up to the 2nd KC lineup. Can you think of anyone else who, in a two-year period, struck deals with three major labels and distribution channels for work produced or performed? Such fine examples of how to use the music industry to positive effect - and publish the work one loves - are rare at BEST. "Greg House" put forth: > Whether I like Robert Fripp's music or not (I do, but that's not > important...), he is a prime example of someone who has had a lengthy > career playing primarily unconventional music, which he clearly enjoys > himself. > > Frankly, in these times, I think it's absolutely wonderful when I see > someone who is able to actually do something they consistently enjoy > for their occupation. Whether I like what they do or not, it almost > always makes me envious, since I fall into "the other category". > > I applaud Robert Fripp for having the knack for developing the > necessary skill and acumen to stay "in business" so long. I hope he is > able to continue doing so until he's able to comfortably retire...when > he wants to retire. I wish that for all of us. Unfortunately, it > happens all too seldom. > > Whether he influenced anyone in the process shouldn't really concern > me, although it seems obvious that he's had a lot of influence over the > years. To me, his more important achievement is that he's able to do > something he loves, full time. > > Greg > > > --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > Why splutter? Whether you like his music or not, Fripp's a big part > > of > > the looping world. The end. In my opinion, he's one of the only of > > his > > kind that hasn't gone all soft. He's a nice cranky OCD guitarist, > > and I > > still listen to King Crimson all the time. God Save The Queen was > > probably one of my first introductions to any looping. > > > > He claims to have never gotten a dime, or even a working EH16 even > > though they marketed it as a "Fripp in the box." > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > On Friday, August 23, 2002, at 09:44 PM, David wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fripp. > > > > > > Aaaaaaaaagh! I said it! I'm going to regret this!! PULEEZE don't > > let > > > me > > > burn in hell!! > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "one less than none" > > > To: "Loopers Delight mailing list" > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 5:13 PM > > > Subject: Fw: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist > > > > > > > > >> I think that endorsement certainly help 'spark' interest in a > > >> technology > > >> they get peopel to look at it ! > > >> any advertising is good ! > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 06:44:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA00391; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 06:43:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 06:43:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D6B57A9.E0D9B54C@club-internet.fr> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:42:50 +0200 From: Emmanuel PERILLE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [fr] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: DJRND2 for sale References: <1030413837.3d6ade0d35076@www.suitandtieguy.com> <006401c24d51$cd92e0c0$03f8c440@g0wn7> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com DJRND2 looper for sale at http://www.heilo.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?topic=270&forum=1&0 Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 07:04:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA03127; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 07:03:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 07:03:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <023b01c24d81$27e16cc0$0affff0a@hppav> References: <00b501c24d0f$050e8100$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <01cb01c24adf$b5659110$dcfaec0c@ATTBI.COM> <001401c24ae7$6ea3bb00$69894682@lance> <00b501c24d0f$050e8100$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020826202105.00b80a50@pop.charter.net> <3D6AF3D7.46D29AD0@earthlink.net> <023b01c24d81$27e16cc0$0affff0a@hppav> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:01:42 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Video Revived the Looping Stars Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >What may be a good idea is "scripting" what you show in the video -- not the >moves, but the functions you will show. > >a long list would be a good idea, perhaps, and then each little vignette >could be a "chapter" on a dvd -- or a small real-video online. > >just a thought. yes! and for the functions you dont use, get someone else to create that "chapter"! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 07:05:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA03486; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 07:04:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 07:04:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3D6B04B2.C2F75D1C@earthlink.net> References: <3D6B04B2.C2F75D1C@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:02:28 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Endorsements/promotion/education/etc... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hep, brother, did we think about the same stuff simultanously! >At the very least, such an ad would need to include web links to >specific sound examples of this stuff, so people could actually fire up >a web browser and HEAR it. But that could be tricky, since some people >might never get around to doing that looking up. Even still, a good ad >with some intriguing copy and interesting pictures/quotes/descriptions >could lure some interested parties into checking it out. amazing how many loopers are not connected or dont care enough >A more costly, but probably more effective approach, would be to include >an audio CD (or data CD-ROM with mp3 files) with a specific musical >instrument or technology magazine, showcasing different artists and - >probably even more importantly - different technical and stylistic >applications. > >For instance, Gibson could enclose a CD with every copy of Electronic >Musician or Keyboard magazine, with recordings by various EDP folks >using the tool in a variety of different contexts. If you put out a >disc with Neal Schon, David Torn, Benny Reitveld, Amy Neuberg, Tom >Heasley, Todd Reynolds, Hans Lindauer, Jon Wagner, and Steve Lawson on >it, you'd have nine very different technical applications of one looper, >in nine different STYLISTIC areas. amazing how many have an old computer and dont care for mp3: may I suggest a mixture: the first 4 as audio and the rest CD-ROM with more mp3 and Quicktime videos of you showing some basic functions to give an idea how easy it is to start. >Everything from electric guitar to voice to violin to bass to tuba to >solo acoustic percussion to dance electronics would be covered. That >could open a lot of people's ears, in a lot of different genres, and it >could be a nice way to bring more widespread exposure to some more >obscure artists. having more space with the mp3, we can also include some more noise/colage stuff to suggest that one can have fun even if not playing an instrument well. >Or a more focused approach could work: a Bass Player Magazine EDP disc, >a Guitar Player one, etc. It could reach players (and I think "players" >are probably the prime market for the EDP, at least) who might not be >inclined to read Electronic Musician or Keyboard. yes, sound in magazines is just perfect! >For that matter, a general article in a magazine would be great. I am supposed to write one with Gary for EM... I will! others can write for others... >If one >or two companies and/or record labels were willing to put some >advertising money into an issue, that could help spearhead an article >that, for instance, could talk about different applications for guitar >looping. It could cover the usual guitar-loop suspects like Fripp, >Torn, Michael Brook, Chet Atkins, Keller Williams, Trey Anastasio, etc. >as well as the not-so-usual ones: guys as far-flung as Neal Schon, Paul >Dresher, Steve Howe, Claude Voit, et al. (And since he's a damn fine >guitarist whether looping or not, I think Matthias Grob is LONG overdue >for some recognition of his wonderfully musical touch on the six-string.) gee, you are so sweet... I need to program ;-( -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 07:05:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA03621; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 07:04:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 07:04:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020827065506.36355.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020827065506.36355.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:02:55 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Pink Floyd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >As for the credits on Dark Side Of The Moon, I >don't know about the CD booklet, but the LP, all >of the backing musicians are listed. Claire Torry >is the name of the vocalist heard on Great Gig In >The Sky (she reprised her performance when Floyd >appeared at the Knebworth Festival in 1990). oh, thats nice, http://www.artistdirect.com/music/artist/card/0,,502603,00.html does not mention darkside, but http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/results.asp?ctr=175409 does and many others could not find a picture of her, though... :-( -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 07:05:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA03072; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 07:03:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 07:03:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020827003118.03a7e228@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020827003118.03a7e228@loopers-delight.com> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:02:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Popularity/influence/etc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 10:09 PM 8/26/2002, ernesto schnack wrote: >> > With all due respect, I absolutely cannot understand this idea at all. >>> Jam Bands play improvised music, and Phish is playing Madison Square >>> Garden on New Year's Eve. >> >>Well Phish is an exception to everything. They play stadiums despite >>no radio airplay or MTV. In a way, they's still not mainstream despite >>being so huge. To me, the average non-musician likes written songs >>with words that he can sing along to, both on the radio, and when he >>goes to a concert. That is the impression I've gotten from the people >>I've met and what i hear and see on the radio and mtv. Of course many >>people listen to improvised music, but i wouldn't call it mainstream. >>But that depends what one considers to be "mainstream." I know improv >>doesn't automatically equal experimental, but i don't see an >>improv-based piece going #1 anytime soon either. > >A lot of rappers improvise their raps. Many of them really take >pride in that skill. I think it follows the same social-historical >arc that jazz comes from, with the same improvisational traditions >in a new form. The dj scratching in hip-hop is almost always >improvised. Listening to Q-bert reminds me more of listening to >Charlie Parker than anything else. > >kim yeah, loop the rap... isnt that awful? ;-) now if they improvize their grooves, lets open a page for that on LD or Looppool -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 07:13:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA04361; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 07:07:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 07:07:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200208261444.AA973209836@mail.unitcircle.com> References: <200208261444.AA973209836@mail.unitcircle.com> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:06:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: the sticker Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >I'd think the mass printing should be the easy part. We've got some LD >>folks here who know about such things, right? (Ya'll speak up now, hear?) >> >This month's magnet has an ad for places that makes stickers. > >www.screenart1.com > >prices look reasonable vs. other places that I've had stickers done. > >I'm all for a LoopersDelight sticker, I'm not sure if we should be >spending money to promote a Gibson product however, I'm sure that >they can afford to make their own stickers. I feel a natural division would be that LD creates the artwork and Gibson get some little space to put their logo on and do the printing, thats even better for them than just the Gibson logo, no? well, stickers probably are cheap, we can do them without Gibson... but they should include it to the EDPs... if it does not say Gibson on it, Line6 could distribute them just as well... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 07:27:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA05360; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 07:26:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 07:26:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <4e.1027fa4f.2a9cbba4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 07:25:24 EDT Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the local goddess wrote, >Regarding tori looping her voice, well, her voice is getting looped on >a >BT remix of Blue Sky. so she isn't actually doing it, but he is, and if >Tori fans grab the BT single of her tune, then they'll hear it. right; but, within the context of that thread: the fans won't *see* it..... >she also >apparently plays with him on other projects as well, so the looping thing >isn't necessarily out of the question. ..... well, they don't seem to be particularly buddybuddy w/each other; i wouldn't expect too much from such a collaboration..... best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 07:30:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA05966; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 07:29:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 07:29:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 07:27:55 EDT Subject: Re: Nu Metal vs. Steve Vai vs. Santana To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ba.2b19548b.2a9cbc3b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10514 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_ba.2b19548b.2a9cbc3b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/27/2002 12:10:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: > Pretty amazing. I guess people > smoke pot all over the world. > ROFL: That has to be the funniest reply posted to LD all year :) Warmest Regards, John Price/AKASH "The World's Most Erotic Band" http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" --part1_ba.2b19548b.2a9cbc3b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/27/2002 12:10:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes:


Pretty amazing. I guess people
smoke pot all over the world.


ROFL: That has to be the funniest reply posted to LD all year :)

Warmest Regards,
John Price/AKASH
"The World's Most Erotic Band"
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic
"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"

 --part1_ba.2b19548b.2a9cbc3b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 08:10:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA10081; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:09:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:09:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <107.17044f77.2a9cc5a4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:08:04 EDT Subject: Re: Attitudes and Hairdos Again To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com relayonemanband@earthlink.net writes: >The fact that rap is very popular and instrumental music is difficult for >most folks to follow not all rap music is popular and, judging from the music playing on the weather channel right now, not all instrumental music is difficult for folks to follow..... >does not prevent me from using delays to multitrack >my >guitar and synth controller. right! >I wish we could all be popular but that's >just >not possible. If you want to be popular, "Give the People What They Want" >(which is probably sex and violence). although i seem to exercise my cynical-muscles at times, this is way too hardened a general perspective for me..... there is a wealth of cool music/art/writing/etc abounding in the world that does not rely on such purposefully l.c.d. notions..... >It's a problem filled world and not getting any prettier in my neck of >the >woods (I can walk to Dad's Bar {2 miles} and Westerfield/Van Dam's houses >{3 >miles}). hideousness. >Looping can help the world get better only if the people using >loopers want it that way. >I am very grateful for the efforts of Aurisis and wish all concerned the >best. me, too! >But the music/musical manufacturing business is just a business. ..... the polarisation, portrayed therein: 'business' vs 'quality of life': expressed from *either* self-presenting pole: seems to me to engender and perpetuate the potential reality of such a perspective..... best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 08:12:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA10486; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:10:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:10:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:09:08 +0200 Subject: Repeater Auction - 6hrs left Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <24l4W.A.gbC.Gw2a9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=901039682 Its currently at $690 (expensive?), but looks as though its in new condition. Just in case any loopers are still searching for one. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 08:21:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA10672; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:11:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:11:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <136.1310ae3b.2a9cc61a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:10:02 EDT Subject: Re: Nu Metal vs. Steve Vai vs. Santana To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <5dJ4EB.A.qgC.9w2a9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com kflint@loopers-delight.com writes in reply to mg: >If you believe it is out of reach, then it is. >I don't believe that. neither do i..... in fact, i don't understand the concept. why would it be out of reach? best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 08:32:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11985; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:32:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:32:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:30:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Elio DeLuca Subject: Re: the sticker In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: To: Loopers Delight Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't forget Sticker Guy ... great prices, good vibe. I've used them before with excellent results. www.stickerguy.com E. On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Matthias Grob wrote: > Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:06:05 +0200 > From: Matthias Grob > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: the sticker > Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 07:07:21 -0400 > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > >I'd think the mass printing should be the easy part. We've got some LD > >>folks here who know about such things, right? (Ya'll speak up now, hear?) > >> > >This month's magnet has an ad for places that makes stickers. > > > >www.screenart1.com > > > >prices look reasonable vs. other places that I've had stickers done. > > > >I'm all for a LoopersDelight sticker, I'm not sure if we should be > >spending money to promote a Gibson product however, I'm sure that > >they can afford to make their own stickers. > > I feel a natural division would be that LD creates the artwork and > Gibson get some little space to put their logo on and do the > printing, thats even better for them than just the Gibson logo, no? > well, stickers probably are cheap, we can do them without Gibson... > but they should include it to the EDPs... if it does not say Gibson > on it, Line6 could distribute them just as well... > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > ____________________________________________ Telepathy Records telepathyrecords.com ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 09:06:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA14920; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:59:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:59:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:57:21 +0200 Subject: Review: Rick Walker's Loop.pooL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <8684F80E-B9BC-11D6-AE49-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <7MMYG.A.MTD.Sd3a9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I hope you don't mind me writing this Rick... but I had to say something! I received a copy of Rick's Loop.pooL the other week, and have been listening to it virtually non-stop since, trying to analyse what he does, and how he does it :) I must say, that of all the looping music I have heard so far, this has to be one of the finest looping CD's I have ever had the pleasure of owning. The music is incredibly visual, diverse and emotive. Each track is a plethora of live acoustic percussion noises and rhythms, passed through an array of fx's and filters... and after picking his brains off-list, have found out that he does not use the same instrument twice.... man, I want to jam with this guy! Each track is unique, and the 18 tracks on the disc ensure that there is a huge variety of music to listen to. Anyway, I expected something good... what I received was incredible. If any of you have not heard Rick's latest work, I'd suggest sending a few $$'s his way and adding Loop.pooL to your collection. You will not be dissapointed! 10/10!!!! :) ===== -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 09:07:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15820; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:05:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:05:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:02:11 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: action plan Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1ELSWB.A.2yD.5j3a9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Situation >Although a lot of time passed and lot of efforts have been done, the >public and the most musicians are not much aware yet of what live >looping means, or what it really means. I might add that people do like the idea. We don't get that many people coming to open loop but in the last two months I've met easily a dozen strangers who've heard of it and think that looping music is cool even if they don't know what it is... /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 09:10:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16404; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:08:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:08:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:04:48 -0400 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Re: Popularity/influence/etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3D6B78F0.659E0405@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en,zh-TW References: <20020827050930.BA6032FD3F@server3.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: <29Ot3D.A.U7D.3l3a9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ernesto schnack wrote: > Of course many > people listen to improvised music, but i wouldn't call it mainstream. > But that depends what one considers to be "mainstream." I know improv > doesn't automatically equal experimental, but i don't see an > improv-based piece going #1 anytime soon either. I guess that many hits have parts that start out being improvised. But then they are refined, edited, mixed etc. Then the same exact version is played on the radio thousands of times, so it bears little resemblance to improvised music! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 09:28:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18116; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:27:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:27:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <19f.7af5632.2a9cd7b2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:25:06 EDT Subject: thought this might be interesting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_19f.7af5632.2a9cd7b2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10514 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_19f.7af5632.2a9cd7b2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Music News Santana Films New Video With Michelle Branch In Chicago August 25, 2 p.m. ET, Launch Carlos Santana shot a video for his upcoming album Shaman on Thursday and Friday (August 22 and 23). The clip for the song "Game Of Love" features young pop star Michelle Branch, and was shot in Chicago, coinciding with Santana's Friday show at the Tweeter Center in nearby Tinley Park, Illinois. Sources for both Santana and Branch were unsure whether "Game Of Love" would be the first single released from Shaman, which is due October 22. While the guitarist has been tight-lipped about other guests on Shaman, it's known that opera tenor Placido Domingo and the Los Angeles group Ozomatli appear on the album, while Matchbox Twenty frontman Rob Thomas--who sang and co-wrote "Smooth" from Santana's 1999 collection Supernatural--told LAUNCH he did some writing for Shaman but did not expect to appear on it. Nu-metal stars P.O.D. have also done some recording for the album, but it's unknown whether that track will make the final cut.-- Bruce Simon, New York and Gary Graff, Detroit For more news at LAUNCH, click here.Got news tips, comments, or questions? 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Carlos Santana shot a video for his upcoming album Shaman on Thursday and Friday (August 22 and 23). The clip for the song "Game Of Love" features young pop star Michelle Branch, and was shot in Chicago, coinciding with Santana's Friday show at the Tweeter Center in nearby Tinley Park, Illinois. Sources for both Santana and Branch were unsure whether "Game Of Love" would be the first single released from Shaman, which is due October 22. While the guitarist has been tight-lipped about other guests on Shaman, it's known that opera tenor Placido Domingo and the Los Angeles group Ozomatli appear on the album, while Matchbox Twenty frontman Rob Thomas--who sang and co-wrote "Smooth" from Santana's 1999 collection Supernatural--told LAUNCH he did some writing for Shaman but did not expect to appear on it. Nu-metal stars P.O.D. have also done some recording for the album, but it's unknown whether that track will make the final cut.-- Bruce Simon, New York and Gary Graff, Detroit
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 --part1_19f.7af5632.2a9cd7b2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 10:08:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22543; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:05:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:05:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020827140423.86578.qmail@web12304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 07:04:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Pedro Felix Subject: Re: Endorsements/promotion/education/etc...Santana, et al. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3D6B04B2.C2F75D1C@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com created with conviction music is a wonderful art, anything less is some variation of horse-shit. we all know when we hear/see/feel conviction but we don't always like to admit that we know the difference. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 --- Andre LaFosse wrote: > This ain't gonna be short. > > In my opinion, there are two challenges: > > 1) Making the public (or at least the musici __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 11:01:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27837; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:00:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:00:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005001c24dda$509f1f50$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: Subject: OT: miniTablas Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:59:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <9Q7b0.A.bxG.kP5a9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My thanks to Jim and Matthias for answers about the miniTablas. I hope somebody will eventually pick-up and remanufacture this instrument. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 11:55:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31691; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:52:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:52:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:51:44 -0700 Subject: Re: the sticker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow, I had no idea stickers could be so cheap. Thanks for the resource. Mark On Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 05:30 AM, Elio DeLuca wrote: > www.stickerguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 11:56:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31958; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:55:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:55:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.187.131.208] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:popularity/influence and Valentino Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:53:31 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2002 15:53:31.0916 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4AA94C0:01C24DE1] Resent-Message-ID: <0UDIYB.A.xwH.aC6a9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias; Thanks for your very touching and wonderful comments. I am truly honored and somewhat humbled. At the risk of this becoming a “mutual appreciation forum”, let me say that I am also a huge fan of Mr. Grob. His masterful and seamless loopage continues to push and inspire me. Yet, it should be noted that this is of some current relevance, more than his seamless and astonishing looping, more than his barefooted pedal technique, it is his sheer musicality which floors me. The dynamics, the nuance, the conceptual motifs, harmonic complexity, and the sublime passion with which he plays, all within the context of a “looping artist”, makes his music so outstanding. When I began looping I played quite differently than I do now. I almost purposefully played outside and weird: processing both my bass and loops with as many pedals and rack units as I could squeeze onto the stage. It seemed to me, at that time, one thing my JamMan was more than appropriate for was a full frontal assault of sonic mayhem. Yet, it seemed to me, I was missing part of the musical equation. Melody, harmony and rhythm, while perhaps being fed into the box, were mutating into simple cacophony. Sometimes it was really good cacophony, and sometimes it was merely caca. I began to move more to a melodic style, and I found audiences related more to what I did. I got more gigs. Regardless of loops or not (or whether they could even fathom the technology employed) they were appreciating the music. And that, at least in my mind, is what is all about: music. A number of threads lately have been both gear oriented, as well as posing the question of how to “take looping to the masses”, as if that will garner some mass public acceptance for what we do. But acceptance of looping as a performance “style”, compositional mode, or ”art form” (or for that matter looping devices as instruments), is really not dependent upon the gear. It is dependent on the music. We applaud dt’s appearance on a new Bowie disc, and it is deserved, but is it really because he is using guitar loops on a high-profile release or is it because he is simply a brilliant and unique musician? Don’t get me wrong, I think it is a great thing, and as a looper I can relate to his use of tools “similar” (at least in design) to my own. But it is his unique vision, creativity, and musicality, which makes it “happen”. While the technophile in me may have some voyeuristic curiosity in the number of Eventides Mr. Fripp has tucked into his rack, the beauty, majesty, and musical vision of his work make that point null when I hear his playing. Creativity is the key. What Rick Walker does with translucent green day-glo plastic and a DL4 is nothing short of incredible. Tom Heasley with another DL4 and a TUBA! When I witness Andre LaFosse’s virtuosity with the EDP, it is not so much the button pushing and blinking LEDs, which fascinate me; it is what might be going on in his mind (or what is not going on in there) that brings forth such wonderful expression. The general public may never “get” looping, and that may not be such a bad thing. Will the proliferation of looping devices bring forth a flood of great “new” music? I think not. Just as the plethora of electric guitars has only guaranteed a bounty of mediocre music, mass acceptance of looping tools might only bring more cookie-cutter, loop-derived drivel. And while I have heard a great number of creative and fascinating things done with programs like Acid and Live!, I have heard just as much dreck (things I sometimes refer to as “the UPN soundtrack-syndrome). I think most of us on this list are musicians. Musicians who loop. The many of you I have heard, and shared the stage with, at the various LoopFests have had wonderfully diverse and creative things to say. My suggestion to gain greater public acceptance of looping: keep on being wonderfully diverse and creative. Be musical. Keep being supportive of each other. I for one would be interested in seeing more interaction by loopers. Most of us seem to work solo (the one man band thing, which again is not a bad thing), but it is, regardless of loops or not, the interaction between musicians which brings forth some of the “magic” which is not only one of the “higher” actions of music, but also one of those things which audiences find so entertaining. Yours in loopage, Max _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 12:04:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01620; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:02:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:02:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:00:27 -0700 Subject: Mainstream looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <4e.1027fa4f.2a9cbba4@aol.com> Message-Id: <1ACE6616-B9D6-11D6-8C37-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No one's mentioned Radiohead's Kid A. Great album with what sounds like some real time vocal looping. Nothing too sophisticated, sounds like he might just be sampling his voice with a Korg KAOSS pad and looping it back out alternating forwards and backwards. The result is very obvious. Has it generated more sales of KAOSS pads? I bet a few. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 12:17:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02087; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:06:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:06:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:04:25 -0700 Subject: Re: the sticker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 04:06 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: > well, stickers probably are cheap, we can do them without Gibson... but > they should include it to the EDPs... if it does not say Gibson on it, > Line6 could distribute them just as well... My idea was to promote looping, but to mainly promote the EDP. Why? If there's a commercially successful looper, perhaps they'll think twice about long gaps of no production. Maybe they'll even pay Matthias and Kim to develop some new hardware. But with stickers so cheap, we could easily do both an EDPcentric and a generic looping sticker. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 12:17:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02886; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:15:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:15:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: the sticker From: Jeffrey Lomas To: LD Mailing list In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8.99 Date: 27 Aug 2002 08:09:59 -0400 Message-Id: <1030450199.14788.90.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm going to go out and put masking tape on my bumper and write LOOPERS-DELIGHT.COM with a black sharpie. :) jeff On Tue, 2002-08-27 at 12:04, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > On Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 04:06 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: > > well, stickers probably are cheap, we can do them without Gibson... but > > they should include it to the EDPs... if it does not say Gibson on it, > > Line6 could distribute them just as well... > > My idea was to promote looping, but to mainly promote the EDP. Why? If > there's a commercially successful looper, perhaps they'll think twice > about long gaps of no production. Maybe they'll even pay Matthias and > Kim to develop some new hardware. > > But with stickers so cheap, we could easily do both an EDPcentric and a > generic looping sticker. > > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 12:18:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03230; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:17:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:17:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Server-Uuid: 90826C58-91B0-45EB-95A5-46B6D42E456F Message-ID: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34CC17@ENTCOEXCH13> From: "Lanpheer, James A" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: OT: miniTablas Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:14:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 11757ACF82786-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com MiniTablas had nothing to do with MIDI. What was unique about them as i understand it was: 1) ease of mounting them into a traditional percussion stand of some type. 2) ease of tuning very precisely and having them stay in tune. Apparently, there was nothing wrong with the technology, but the price to produce it, and the therefore the cost to purchase it, put it somewhat out of reach and made the market so small as to not be a profitable thing. sound familiar? The 'tabla market' is already a small market, the market for the miniTabla, much smaller than that. The road to tabla mastery is a loooong and steeeep one..... DaTaKaTinNeNaKaDinNeDinNeTaKaTinNe. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: armatronix [mailto:armatronix@charter.net] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 9:23 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: miniTablas What are miniTablas? Anything like MIDITablas? -Hans At 20:05 26/08/2002, you wrote: >>Does anybody know anything about "miniTablas?" I get a few web hits when >>searching but nothing with real information. > >Juerg Wuethrich that created them near Bern/Switzerland died of cancer >about two years ago. I never managed to meet him, but they say he was an >extraordinary person up to the very end... >-- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 12:39:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04797; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:37:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:37:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.79.97.43] From: "terry o'brien" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the sticker Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:35:00 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2002 16:35:00.0825 (UTC) FILETIME=[B02BF490:01C24DE7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FYI,.....I have a sticker someone gave me that just says "Looper". I think it's a band....it's nothin' special, but I like it.... 'cause it just sez "Looper". Terry www.anomalousdisturbances.com >From: Mark Sottilaro >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: the sticker >Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:04:25 -0700 > >On Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 04:06 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: >>well, stickers probably are cheap, we can do them without Gibson... but >>they should include it to the EDPs... if it does not say Gibson on it, >>Line6 could distribute them just as well... > >My idea was to promote looping, but to mainly promote the EDP. Why? If >there's a commercially successful looper, perhaps they'll think twice about >long gaps of no production. Maybe they'll even pay Matthias and Kim to >develop some new hardware. > >But with stickers so cheap, we could easily do both an EDPcentric and a >generic looping sticker. > >Mark _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 12:44:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05310; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:42:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:42:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Server-Uuid: 327424A5-C000-4071-A863-154BD49E0E91 Message-ID: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34CC1A@ENTCOEXCH13> From: "Lanpheer, James A" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Tablas (was: miniTablas) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:38:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 11757575651444-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I might check out the software, but if you are REALLY interested in the theory, there is no substitute for learning the instrument. Probably just like any other instrument, i suppose. There are no shortcuts to mastery.... cheers, jim. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Peters [mailto:mpeters@csi.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 1:22 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Tablas (was: miniTablas) for those who like Indian music but aren't capable of playing tablas, sitar, etc: Check out the awesome Swarshala software at http://www.swarsystems.com. It will play the tablas for you (among other instruments), and teach you the theory. = michael peters = computer graphics + electronic music = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb = www.mp3.com/veloopity From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 12:50:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05916; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:47:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:47:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:40:45 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Santana no longer influential?!?! HORSE CHIPS!!!!!! In-reply-to: <5.1.1.6.2.20020827004709.022d1890@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020825205911.0369baa0@loopers-delight.com> <200208232230.SAA08096@hemlock.violacea.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020825205911.0369baa0@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20020827004709.022d1890@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:27 PM -0700 8/25/02, Kim Flint wrote: >If we are interested in how looping can grow beyond a weird little >niche, it has to become a part of popular music culture today. At 11:28 AM 8/26/2002, Richard Zvonar wrote: >Aside from the obvious economic advantages, how desirable is it, >really, for looping to become mainstream? I rather enjoy being part >of a "weird little niche" culture. At 12:59 AM -0700 8/27/02, Kim Flint wrote: >hmm, I don't really understand that statement. why would a wider >acceptance of looping affect your desire to remain obscure? An art form becomes more popular -> more people start to do it. More people do something -> more duffers are doing it. Maybe I'm just perverse, but I like things that are obscure and challenging. In my own work I tend to stop doing something as soon as it becomes too familiar. If looping gets too popular I'll probably stop doing it out of boredom. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 12:50:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06007; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:48:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:48:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:39:54 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: OT: miniTablas To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <014c01c24de8$5f9755a0$5a622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34CC17@ENTCOEXCH13> Resent-Message-ID: <5heKO.A.OcB.006a9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lanpheer, James A" > DaTaKaTinNeNaKaDinNeDinNeTaKaTinNe. And what tal (or tala) is that? d B * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 13:38:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10222; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:31:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:31:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Server-Uuid: 4520D425-5A30-451F-8662-E5DDF307F3B1 Message-ID: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34CC1C@ENTCOEXCH13> From: "Lanpheer, James A" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: OT: miniTablas Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:27:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 1175690D2580596-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <334y3D.A.gcC.Zc7a9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That phrase is a series of tabla bols (pronounced 'bowl') that i'm working on that is a famous composition of Anindo Chatterjee, of the Lucknow gharana, which he taught to us during a workshop after a solo tabla house concert that he gave in the home of my teacher. The composition form is rela (a faster and looser form usually played towards the end of the development of a raga) and the taal is tintal, 16 beats. The taal looks like this: Dha Dhin Dhin Dha Dha Dhin Dhin Dha Dha Tin Tin Ta Ta Dhin Dhin Da The composition would mesh into taal like this (each capital letter represents a stroke): Dha TaKa TinNe NaKa DinNe DinNe TaKa DhinNe (there are three or four possibilities that i'm working on for the khali secition, i'm including one) Na TinNe KaTa DinNe NaKa DhaKa DhinNe KaNe and then, on to variations or back to taal... I've been slaving over this and about 20 variations of this for the last two months, but i'm getting there... Its BEAUTIFUL when you can get it up to tempo, (which i'm just starting to get a taste of)! I guess to paraphrase Kim's recent worldwide discovery, that's one smokin' bol! (or series of bols, more correctly) ; ) cheers, jim. -----Original Message----- From: David Beardsley [mailto:db@biink.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 10:40 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: miniTablas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lanpheer, James A" > DaTaKaTinNeNaKaDinNeDinNeTaKaTinNe. And what tal (or tala) is that? d B * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 13:42:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10836; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:38:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:38:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.20.3.71] From: "Nathan Pease" To: References: <1ACE6616-B9D6-11D6-8C37-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Mainstream looping Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:36:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2002 17:36:52.0069 (UTC) FILETIME=[543ED950:01C24DF0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's a very good point. In their last tour through california (summer 2001), I was lucky enough to get a pretty good seat, and was very curious to see how they did live what they had accomplished in the studio. It looked like a lot of their live sound design was looping and effects processing, mostly controlled by the 2 guitarists. They looped vocals _and_ guitars, I think. It was really, really cool to watch. nathan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 9:00 AM Subject: Mainstream looping > No one's mentioned Radiohead's Kid A. Great album with what sounds like > some real time vocal looping. Nothing too sophisticated, sounds like he > might just be sampling his voice with a Korg KAOSS pad and looping it > back out alternating forwards and backwards. The result is very > obvious. Has it generated more sales of KAOSS pads? I bet a few. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 13:44:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11496; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:43:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:43:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020827174158.13996.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:41:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: King Crimson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200208271210.IAA10338@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> That was more like the 8th lineup of King Crimson! Each of the first 7 King Crimson studio albums has a different lineup on it! Speaking of King Crimson, someone mentioned Level 5. This was the CD the band was selling exclusively last year during the tour they did with John Paul Jones. After the tour, they decided to release it via more traditional means to the public. It was recorded on their summer tour last year (in other words, they recorded during the summer tour, then were selling it during the Autumn tour). It's a pretty decent disc, I think, though a lot of the new tracks strike me as being just rough sketch/jams. Has anyone heard the most recent Collector's Club disc (which apparently is now available via the Discipline mail order catalog? It is from the first performance by the Lark's Tongues In Aspic lineup (yes, with Jamie Muir on percussion). As I understand, it's an audience recording, so I'm wondering what the quality is like. I was a member of the club until Fripp decided he needed to re-think how they were gonna run it (actually, I think my membership ran out a couple releases back, as the last one I recieved was the Detroit 71 disc). ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 14:22:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14928; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:16:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:16:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.6; T1.001; A1.48; B2.12; Q2.03) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:14:38 UT From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Epoch: 1030472079 X-Sasl-enc: pWS4B+27GgOQqfC8WUx4Cw Subject: Re: Popularity/influence/etc. Message-Id: <20020827181438.6A3322FD28@server3.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:38:20 -0700, "Kim Flint" said: > A lot of rappers improvise their raps. Many of them really take pride > in > that skill. True, I had thought of that. But are there any mainstream rappers that freestyle on record? I've always been curious about that. Does Eminem freestyle a lot in concert? I know he's really good at it. Ernesto -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm - Sent .0000002 seconds ago From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 14:39:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16866; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:36:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:36:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.6; T1.001; A1.48; B2.12; Q2.03) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:35:14 UT From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Epoch: 1030473314 X-Sasl-enc: EmYCl+qprgPeMpvrnGvZYw Subject: Re: Mainstream looping Message-Id: <20020827183514.48C582FD28@server3.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, yes, i had forgotten about that. One guitarist in fact is using the KAOSS pad, and the other is using the DL4. When i saw them live, they were doing close-ups of both devices on the big screens. Then they left the stage and left the looping madness go on for a bit. Pretty cool. Ernesto On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:00:27 -0700, "Mark Sottilaro" said: > No one's mentioned Radiohead's Kid A. Great album with what sounds > like > some real time vocal looping. Nothing too sophisticated, sounds like > he > might just be sampling his voice with a Korg KAOSS pad and looping it > back out alternating forwards and backwards. The result is very > obvious. Has it generated more sales of KAOSS pads? I bet a few. > > Mark > > -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm - the way email *should* be From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 14:56:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18119; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:53:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:53:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Laurie Hatch" To: Subject: Re: action plan Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:59:26 -0700 Message-ID: <00a201c24dfb$dd897b60$92a6accf@lloopoo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Matthias Grob > - creating a sticker saying "I am so loopie, be my groopie" with > spirals on tits ;-) Matthias, this is hilarious! Can I have a tee-shirt like this, please, pretty please? Maybe I've got more looping equipment than I thought.... and stereo too! Come to think of it, maybe we looper chix should come up with our own slogans for the aforementioned graphic. Like, "Born to Loop", "Loop or Bust", you get the picture. Goddess, lurker-chix, whadduya think? :)=8 thanks for the laffs, ~laurie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 15:04:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19963; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:03:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:03:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <162.12f65022.2a9d2683@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:01:23 EDT Subject: especially for free jazz/improv "Lovers" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_162.12f65022.2a9d2683_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10514 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_162.12f65022.2a9d2683_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ck out AKASH's newest tune @ Mp3.com: "Young Lovers Parade": http://artists.mp3s.com/artist_song/2689/2689535.html This song is all instrumental and an all free jazz improv which just may actually appear in some "Arty" - Hollywoood Styled-Porno Flick I'm told. We shall see if in fact this Art-Porn flick actually gets released ( the art porn stuff tends to never see light of day once the final edit is delivered ) but in the meantime, please do enjoy the music :) Features Elliott Levin ( Bill Laswell, Cecil Taylor, Josh Wink, King Britt, Teddy Pendergrass and countless other greats ) on Tenor Sax; Charles Duquesne ( Dee-Lite, FOR, WHite GIrl, Sugarsmack Daddy, God Lives Underwater ) on Drums; Cory Neale ( SpinArt's The Barnaby's) on Upright Bass, John Price ( temple of Bon Matin, White Girl, Psychohead, BULB Records etc etc) on Electric Fretless Basses, Acoustic Grand Piano, Electric Guitar, Production and Arrangement. Warmest Regards, John Price/AKASH "The World's Most Erotic Band" http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" --part1_162.12f65022.2a9d2683_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ck out AKASH's newest tune @ Mp3.com: "Young Lovers Parade":
http://artists.mp3s.com/artist_song/2689/2689535.html

This song is all instrumental and an all free jazz improv which just may actually appear in some "Arty" - Hollywoood Styled-Porno Flick I'm told.

We shall see if in fact this Art-Porn flick actually gets released ( the art porn stuff tends to never see light of day once the final edit is delivered ) but in the meantime, please do enjoy the music :)

Features Elliott Levin ( Bill Laswell, Cecil Taylor, Josh Wink, King Britt, Teddy Pendergrass and countless other greats ) on Tenor Sax; Charles Duquesne ( Dee-Lite, FOR, WHite GIrl, Sugarsmack Daddy, God Lives Underwater ) on Drums; Cory Neale ( SpinArt's The Barnaby's) on Upright Bass, John Price ( temple of Bon Matin, White Girl, Psychohead, BULB Records etc etc) on Electric Fretless Basses, Acoustic Grand Piano, Electric Guitar, Production and Arrangement.

Warmest Regards,
John Price/AKASH
"The World's Most Erotic Band"
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic
"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"

 --part1_162.12f65022.2a9d2683_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 15:13:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20516; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:09:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:09:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D6BCDC3.8D778AD6@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:06:47 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: why so heavy? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe we are old and crazy. I for one like it. GET OFF MY LAWN YOU FUCKING KIDS! When did the younger generation become less hip than the older generation? They're not. I think that it's just that Time Warner wants them to be so they'll have an easier time with marketing. It's why they killed Internet Radio. God forbid they loose the ability to predict and create the next musical trend. There's a lot of talk about Korn, but I hear their music and I don't find anything remotely new about it. Then we talk about Fripp as being a dinosaur. Maybe he's not progressing as an artist as much as we'd like him too, but give the old fart a break. Sure, Nirvana brought back pawn shop Fender Jaguars and old tweed amps (I really like Nirvana, BTW) but were they doing anything new? Not at all. Does it have to be new? Why not just good? I notice that people doing strange stuff get a lot of attention here. That's good. It has to happen somewhere. We've also got to give a nod to more traditional forms when done well. Breaking "rules" is over. There are none. Duchamp put a urinal in a French Salon and put it all to an end. RIP. Welcome to the postmodern world. It's a tough one. Make good art. Find your own way. I, for one, started out trying to be a pop singer/guitarist of the John Lennon archetype. I think all I nailed down was the sarcasm. My pop career was my biggest and best failure. It led me to where I am now, which, while paying none of my bills (and actually generating bills) it's so much more personally satisfying. Matthias, don't feel bad about being called old and crazy. Take it as a complement. Wave your freak flag high. (footnote: for you whippersnappers, that's a lyric from a Jimi Hendrix song. He died a long time ago) Mark Sottilaro Matthias Grob wrote: > > This list is a sensitive spot. From the majority I read that they > dont care about the mainstream, why would you make all this effort to > make us feel old and/or crazy? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 15:45:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22351; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:39:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:39:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020827133909.008a46c0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:39:09 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist In-Reply-To: <4e.1027fa4f.2a9cbba4@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -Completely agree, which is why I mentioned in an earlier post that looping needs to be visible, understandable and approachable. -And as far as Tori and BT being buddy-buddy, -not sure about that, I just know that she's worked with him on at least two other projects so far. Have a great day. Smiles, CQ At 07:25 AM 8/27/02 EDT, you wrote: >the local goddess wrote, > >>Regarding tori looping her voice, well, her voice is getting looped on >>a >>BT remix of Blue Sky. so she isn't actually doing it, but he is, and if >>Tori fans grab the BT single of her tune, then they'll hear it. >right; but, within the context of that thread: >the fans won't *see* it..... > >>she also >>apparently plays with him on other projects as well, so the looping thing >>isn't necessarily out of the question. >..... well, they don't seem to be particularly buddybuddy w/each other; i >wouldn't expect too much from such a collaboration..... >best, >dt / s-c > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 15:50:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23099; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:48:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:48:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D6BD72F.85D060DD@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:47:00 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Synths considered harmful (was Re: Using the Wind Synth tocontrol the Repeater) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6reeKD.A.9lF.1c9a9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As a guitar synth guy I have to totally disagree. Why would looping synths be bad? Why would any instrument or sound be bad? Why should I care if someone says, "Oh, a synthesizer"? I notice when I'm among a bunch of musicians they probably think as you do. In the rest of the world, I find that people could care less. They either like what they're hearing, or they don't. Bill Walker is another guitar synth guy that loops his GR-30 sounds. I love his music. Andre Lafosse loops the dry output of his Steinberger and goes directly into a small tube amp. I love his music. Why would one judge either's process? I'll also counter your statement about synths winning out over loopers for sonic manipulation. Are loopers for sonic manipulation? I thought they were to loop audio. It goes back to my "Looper as processor (not effect)" thread. Some choose to process their audio with a looper, like Andre, while people like me tend to process their audio first then loop it rather simply. Is there a better way? Not in my opinion. Mark Sottilaro Mark Hamburg wrote: > I'm going to try out a proposition here. I wouldn't say I actually believe > it, but it's a mildly provocative thought and lord knows this list needs > provocation. > > Synths are bad for looping. > > Why? > > As anyone who has been to a loopfest will report, odd noises and sonic > manipulation tend to be in abundance. Arguably, that's one of the things a > looper is good for. > > Now, when people hear such noises, they probably just think "Oh. A > synthesizer." > > Guitar synths make matters worse. If a guitar player is looking to expand > his or her tonal palette, a guitar synth will probably win out over a > looper. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 16:10:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26118; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:08:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:08:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020827130344.02332eb0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:09:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: thought this might be interesting In-Reply-To: <19f.7af5632.2a9cd7b2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So he's associating himself with currently popular artists, working with currently popular songwriters to keep his sound up to date, and fitting his music into currently popular trends. As a result he's much more popular and successful than he was on his own in recent decades. Gotta give ol' Carlos credit there, that's pretty smart. Maybe some people here could be influenced by that. kim At 06:25 AM 8/27/2002, AKASHMUSIC@aol.com wrote: >Carlos >Santana shot a video for his upcoming album Shaman on Thursday and Friday >(August 22 and 23). The clip for the song "Game Of Love" features young >pop star >Michelle >Branch, > the Los Angeles group Ozomatli appear on the album, while Matchbox > Twenty frontman Rob Thomas--who sang and co-wrote "Smooth" from Santana's > 1999 collection Supernatural--told LAUNCH he did some writing for Sha ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 16:37:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27884; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:31:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:31:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Synths considered harmful (was Re: Using the Wind Synth tocontrol the Repeater) From: Jeffrey Lomas To: LD Mailing list In-Reply-To: <3D6BD72F.85D060DD@zerocrossing.net> References: <3D6BD72F.85D060DD@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8.99 Date: 27 Aug 2002 12:25:55 -0400 Message-Id: <1030465558.14729.111.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <3HamJC.A.myG.XF-a9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Slightly OT; but within the realm of tonal palette: I made my acoustic guitar sound like a choir singing last night with nothing more than my EDP and my slide. jeff On Tue, 2002-08-27 at 15:47, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > As a guitar synth guy I have to totally disagree. Why would looping synths > be bad? Why would any instrument or sound be bad? Why should I care if > someone says, "Oh, a synthesizer"? I notice when I'm among a bunch of > musicians they probably think as you do. In the rest of the world, I find > that people could care less. They either like what they're hearing, or they > don't. > > Bill Walker is another guitar synth guy that loops his GR-30 sounds. I love > his music. Andre Lafosse loops the dry output of his Steinberger and goes > directly into a small tube amp. I love his music. Why would one judge > either's process? > > I'll also counter your statement about synths winning out over loopers for > sonic manipulation. Are loopers for sonic manipulation? I thought they were > to loop audio. It goes back to my "Looper as processor (not effect)" > thread. Some choose to process their audio with a looper, like Andre, while > people like me tend to process their audio first then loop it rather simply. > > Is there a better way? Not in my opinion. > > Mark Sottilaro > > Mark Hamburg wrote: > > > I'm going to try out a proposition here. I wouldn't say I actually believe > > it, but it's a mildly provocative thought and lord knows this list needs > > provocation. > > > > Synths are bad for looping. > > > > Why? > > > > As anyone who has been to a loopfest will report, odd noises and sonic > > manipulation tend to be in abundance. Arguably, that's one of the things a > > looper is good for. > > > > Now, when people hear such noises, they probably just think "Oh. A > > synthesizer." > > > > Guitar synths make matters worse. If a guitar player is looking to expand > > his or her tonal palette, a guitar synth will probably win out over a > > looper. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 16:47:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28963; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:45:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:45:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020827132041.02334520@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:44:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist In-Reply-To: <4e.1027fa4f.2a9cbba4@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:25 AM 8/27/2002, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: >the local goddess wrote, > >Regarding tori looping her voice, well, her voice is getting looped on > >a > >BT remix of Blue Sky. so she isn't actually doing it, but he is, and if > >Tori fans grab the BT single of her tune, then they'll hear it. >right; but, within the context of that thread: >the fans won't *see* it..... I don't think that is true, actually. It happens by chance I have quite an inside view of Tori fandom, although I think this applies outside that example to the fans of other artists. Her fans care a lot about her music, and really do pay attention to details. They are extremely interested in what she does and why, and they do investigate it to learn more. Her music means a lot to them, so they care to learn more about it, whether its on an emotional plane of why she wrote a song or a technical plane of how she recorded it. I remember once being dragged to a listening party for one of her album pre-releases. The liner notes described her as playing not just piano, but harpsichord, leslie, and marshall. The people there were really curious to know what a "leslie" and a "marshall" were, and since I happened to know I explained it for them. They were fascinated that she was playing her harpsichord through a cranked Marshall guitar amp and running her piano through Leslie speakers. (so was I, actually.) They were fascinated to learn about a speaker that spun around. They listened back to the songs that used those sounds so they could understand what it sounded like and think about why Tori wanted that sound there. I think I later even had to write something for some Tori fan list explaining Leslie speakers. I don't know if any of those fans later went out and bought Marshall stacks for their harpsichords, (I try not to pay quite that much attention to them...) but they were undeniably interested in it just because of Tori and it was not initially obvious to them at all. Don't underestimate that power. In fact, from what I understand dt, you can expect some significant increase in album sales yerself just for appearing on her album..... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 17:15:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32185; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:14:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:14:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: Popularity/influence/etc. Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:35:37 -0500 Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CFE6@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Popularity/influence/etc. Thread-Index: AcJNWiio0a2wFhVzQ7OBknk4PrVohgAkTG5A From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA31948 Resent-Message-ID: <5sT58B.A.bzH.ft-a9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >All of this was said after I'd already done my solo EDP thing. And there were similar points of view expressed by people in the audience. Not everyone was of this opinion, of course, but my feeling (which may not necessarily be terribly accurate - I'd be interested if Richard or Stig had a different take) was that the consensus there was basically: software is the way to go. < ** well okay, my take was that most of these guys were really not "improvisors," per se - - i could be wrong about that. the other things is maybe that's just their modus operandi - - they are not necessarily into inputting live notes into the devices (or maybe they are, i don't really know each person's history). carl stone doesn'ty play anything into his laptop - - it's all there to begin with and he does real-times manipulation of that material; if you use that as a paradigm, yeah you probably don't need something like an edp with a footswitch set-up, you just need a laptop with a large hard drive to hold sampled material and a fast enough processor to do all the groovy calculations. for me personally, it is not a very interesting methodolgy. i've seen and heard and played with people who who used laptops to manipulate live samples of people they were playing with and felt it was more interesting and satifsying for me - - but this is more of an aesthetic observation/bias than anything. further, i left really wondering about where these people really came down on improv . . . i frankly feel that carl stone is doing improvisation, not composition - - but there is that thing in western classical music (the tradition he seems to have come from) that looks askance at improvisation, so it might be easier for him to label himself a composer rather than an improvisor. >Jazz is improvised music, and while it certainly doesn't burn up the sales charts, there's nothing "non-mainstream" about it - you can walk into any Starbucks in the world and buy their name-brand jazz compilations. Keith Jarrett and Bobby McFerrin would improvise entire solo concerts, and these are some of the most widely-heard, biggest-selling (relatively speaking) musicians around.< ** hmmm. yeah, you can hear it in those places, but . . . i think i heard somewhere that jazz as a percentage of the marketplace ("product sold") is way down the list - - way down. i can't remember, but i think it was 4% or less . . . and classical? forget about it (maybe 1%?). so, for those of us do *really* non-mainstream music (and there are a fair amount of us on this list), we are in a *distinct* minority. (can you say one tenth of 1%?) stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 17:17:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00473; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:16:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:16:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020827211532.50980.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:15:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Looper To: loopers-delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was at Borders at lunchtime today and noticed a CD by a group called "Looper". It was in the sample station, so I listened to the intros of a few songs. No looping that I could discern, just some downer sounding lyrics and 3-4 songs that all started with basically the same sounding guitar riff. Man, I thought my stuff was repetitive... Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 17:18:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00480; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:17:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:17:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <53.1ba9f1a7.2a9d45e2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:15:14 EDT Subject: Re: why so heavy? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 8/27/02 7:52:12 AM, matthias@grob.org writes: << For the majority, most of the time, there is too much traffic jam and noise arround mainstream things. >> Amen! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 17:20:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00319; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:16:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:16:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D6BEBDC.D9F6CE23@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:15:13 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pattern Sequencers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've never done it, but my MC-307 would probably work well if you just turned down the click track. It's easy to get in and out of record without stopping. There's no feedback control though. You can, however, control the volume of each track, as well as mute tracks and even mute groups of drums (ie snares) This can all be done in real time record, or step record. (ala TR-808) I bet someone's made something like this using Max though. Without a mac laptop I've never explored it though. Mark Sottliaro > > On the general subject of pattern sequencers, has Roland ever done a version > of their RPS stuff that has good realtime record capabilities as well as > playback? > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 17:25:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01902; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:24:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:24:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020827212306.57978.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:23:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: OT: NS Stick sound? To: loopers-delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone here have any hands-on experience with the NS Stick instrument? I was looking at it recently and it looks appealing to me, but when I played the samples of Don Schiff playing one (from http://www.nedsteinberger.com/files/artists.html), it didn't sound the way I'd want to sound. The bass register sounds good, but the higher register is very bright and zingy sounding. I'm wondering whether these examples fairly represent the characteristic sound of the instrument, or whether it's just how Don Schiff chooses to set up his amp/efx? (ie: my guitar sounds the way I want it to through my amp, but I could roll all the bass and mids off the amp and it would sound completely different, and probably less appealing to me.) Thanks, Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 17:39:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02839; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:38:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:38:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:35:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Nicholas Johnson Subject: Fwd: behringer midi-foot controller To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <295099014.1030484118390.JavaMail.SYSTEM@mycampus> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_fj5QTAe40JAL4wFYPL9+Jg)" Resent-Message-ID: <6FnxFD.A.6q.3D_a9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Boundary_(ID_fj5QTAe40JAL4wFYPL9+Jg) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hey, I recently purchased the behringer FCB1010, because I own the behringer blue devil, so i figured the set-up would go pretty easy. unfortunately, i don't know anything about midi, and i thought the instructions would be much more simple, so i can't figure out how to use this equipment i now own. can you explain it to me? --------------------------------------- Nic Johnson You start out owning stuff, but sooner or later your stuff owns you. --Boundary_(ID_fj5QTAe40JAL4wFYPL9+Jg) Content-type: message/rfc822; name=forward.cpm Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:29:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Nicholas Johnson Subject: behringer midi-foot controller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <-810886565.1030483778406.JavaMail.njohnson4@mymail.aacc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hey, I recently purchased the behringer FCB1010, because I own the behringer blue devil, so i figured the set-up would go pretty easy. unfortunately, i don't know anything about midi, and i thought the instructions would be much more simple, so i can't figure out how to use this equipment i now own. can you explain it to me? --------------------------------------- Nic Johnson You start out owning stuff, but sooner or later your stuff owns you. --Boundary_(ID_fj5QTAe40JAL4wFYPL9+Jg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 17:44:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03180; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:42:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:42:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.129.91.149] From: "terry o'brien" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:36:26 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2002 21:36:27.0285 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC8ABC50:01C24E11] Resent-Message-ID: <8zEXfD.A.Vr.6D_a9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That must be the band that I have the sticker from....I had a hunch that they did not utilize any looping...that'd be too obvious wouldn't it. Terry >From: Greg House >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: loopers-delight >Subject: Looper >Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:15:32 -0700 (PDT) > >I was at Borders at lunchtime today and noticed a CD by a group called >"Looper". It was in the sample station, so I listened to the intros of >a few songs. No looping that I could discern, just some downer sounding >lyrics and 3-4 songs that all started with basically the same sounding >guitar riff. Man, I thought my stuff was repetitive... > >Greg > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes >http://finance.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 17:46:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03508; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:44:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:44:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: Mainstream looping Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:17:00 -0500 Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CFE8@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Mainstream looping Thread-Index: AcJN5B3fxwCXAN2GTCKPOWnW2Qh8SAAEf3fw From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA03200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No one's mentioned Radiohead's Kid A. Great album with what sounds like some real time vocal looping. Nothing too sophisticated, sounds like he might just be sampling his voice with a Korg KAOSS pad and looping it back out alternating forwards and backwards. The result is very obvious. Has it generated more sales of KAOSS pads? I bet a few. ** maybe just be virtue of the interesting textures and all on that disc - - it opens people's minds to other possibilities. they may not know if he uses a kaoss pad - - does he? stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 17:55:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04305; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:52:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:52:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005a01c24de1$08dbd440$0df8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <00aa01c2438e$89e5c8f0$0bf8c440@g0wn7> <5.1.1.6.2.20020814152428.0383e008@loopers-delight.com> Subject: south-east looping roll call Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:47:21 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <1wTrn.A.SAB.cQ_a9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just trying to find others in the south east...say tennessee and south...east of texas. if we can get enough folks together, we could have a deep south loop get-together...complete with fried chicken, bbq, hords of mosquitoes and lots of coke (please note: in the south, coke can mean anything from coke to sprite to root beer...) -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 17:57:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04594; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:55:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:55:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c24e03$612888b0$7987abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: References: <20020827211532.50980.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: "it takes two to know one" Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:53:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <8Tbs7D.A.UEB.KT_a9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "It takes two to know one" this sentence is by Gregory Bateson. while reading all this wide posting production, I'm thinking: is maybe looping the possible "other" one to make the two ? luca -------------------------- www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 18:06:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06351; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:01:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:01:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: south-east looping roll call Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:00:08 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c24e15$1b827750$632f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <005a01c24de1$08dbd440$0df8c440@g0wn7> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am near the Tampa area...Theres gotta be some other Florida loopers as well. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > just trying to find others in the south east...say tennessee > and south...east of texas. > > if we can get enough folks together, we could have a deep > south loop get-together...complete with fried chicken, bbq, > hords of mosquitoes and lots of coke (please note: in the > south, coke can mean anything from coke to sprite to root beer...) > > -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 18:38:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08570; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:37:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:37:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:35:02 -0800 Subject: Re: Looper From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8w-1GC.A.mCC.V7_a9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah theres a group here in sf.cali called-are ya ready?<20 minute loop>! heard a few songs and read there bio-absolutely nothing resembling looping that i can hear or read-wonder where their name came from? s > That must be the band that I have the sticker from....I had a hunch that > they did not utilize any looping...that'd be too obvious wouldn't it. > Terry > > >> From: Greg House >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> To: loopers-delight >> Subject: Looper >> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:15:32 -0700 (PDT) >> >> I was at Borders at lunchtime today and noticed a CD by a group called >> "Looper". It was in the sample station, so I listened to the intros of >> a few songs. No looping that I could discern, just some downer sounding >> lyrics and 3-4 songs that all started with basically the same sounding >> guitar riff. Man, I thought my stuff was repetitive... >> >> Greg >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes >> http://finance.yahoo.com >> > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 19:22:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11952; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:20:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:20:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 01:18:02 +0200 Subject: Re: Looper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3BF844FE-BA13-11D6-AE49-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <_0XYFB.A.S3C.LjAb9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've just started sessioning for a band called reVox here in paris.... and do they loop? Nope... that is to say not yet... however, after showing the singer and guitarist the repeater, DL4 and other toys, I have got them seriously interested in looping.... so much so that I am scouting around for a Repeater or two for them. This is a month or two before they go into the studio to record the first album for Universal... maybe I saved the day just in time :) On Wednesday, August 28, 2002, at 01:35 AM, Stan Card wrote: > yeah theres a group here in sf.cali called-are ya ready?<20 minute > loop>! > heard a few songs and read there bio-absolutely nothing resembling > looping > that i can hear or read-wonder where their name came from? > s -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 19:29:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12554; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:27:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:27:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Briscoe23@aol.com Message-ID: <12d.16699c1c.2a9d6460@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:25:20 EDT Subject: Re: south-east looping roll call To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12d.16699c1c.2a9d6460_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_12d.16699c1c.2a9d6460_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/27/02 4:50:39 PM Central Daylight Time, jimfowler@prodigy.net writes: > just trying to find others in the south east...say tennessee and > south...east of texas. > > if we can get enough folks together, we could have a deep south loop > get-together...complete with fried chicken, bbq, hords of mosquitoes and > lots of coke (please note: in the south, coke can mean anything from coke > to > sprite to root beer...) > > -jim Hey Jim, I'm originally from Mobile, AL, and still get back down there every once in a while to gig. I live in Birmingham, AL currently and would love to help pull something together. Email me off list... -Justin Sable Fobes www.MP3.COM/Justin_Sable_Fobes --part1_12d.16699c1c.2a9d6460_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/27/02 4:50:39 PM Central Daylight Time, jimfowler@prodigy.net writes:


just trying to find others in the south east...say tennessee and
south...east of texas.

if we can get enough folks together, we could have a deep south loop
get-together...complete with fried chicken, bbq, hords of mosquitoes and
lots of coke (please note: in the south, coke can mean anything from coke to
sprite to root beer...)

-jim


Hey Jim,

I'm originally from Mobile, AL, and still get back down there every once in a while to gig.  I live in Birmingham, AL currently and would love to help pull something together.  Email me off list...

-Justin Sable Fobes
www.MP3.COM/Justin_Sable_Fobes --part1_12d.16699c1c.2a9d6460_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 20:28:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16612; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:24:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:24:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <3e.234fec2b.2a9d71fd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:23:25 EDT Subject: Re: loop device endorsement - was Santanas looping bassist To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <1naMhC.A.3CE.EgBb9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com k, >I don't think that is true, actually. It happens by chance I have quite >an >inside view of Tori fandom, although I think this applies outside that >example to the fans of other artists. yeah, i understand. >Her fans care a lot about her music, >and really do pay attention to details. They are extremely interested in >what she does and why, and they do investigate it to learn more. Her music >means a lot to them, so they care to learn more about it, whether its on >an >emotional plane of why she wrote a song or a technical plane of how she >recorded it. makes sense to me..... >I remember once being dragged to a listening party for one of her album >pre-releases. The liner notes described her as playing not just piano, >but >harpsichord, leslie, and marshall. The people there were really curious >to >know what a "leslie" and a "marshall" were, and since I happened to know >I >explained it for them. They were fascinated that she was playing her >harpsichord through a cranked Marshall guitar amp and running her piano >through Leslie speakers. (so was I, actually.) They were fascinated to >learn about a speaker that spun around. They listened back to the songs >that used those sounds so they could understand what it sounded like and >think about why Tori wanted that sound there. I think I later even had >to >write something for some Tori fan list explaining Leslie speakers. I don't >know if any of those fans later went out and bought Marshall stacks for >their harpsichords, (I try not to pay quite that much attention to them...) >but they were undeniably interested in it just because of Tori and it was >not initially obvious to them at all. gotcha. >Don't underestimate that power. okay! >In fact, from what I understand dt, you can expect some significant >increase in album sales yerself just for appearing on her album..... well, that'd surely be nice! esp. if some of my tracks made it to the mixes..... 8-)) (i was the 3rd 'guitarist' enlisted.....) best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 20:33:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17193; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:29:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:29:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: Endorsements/promotion/education/etc... Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:48:55 -0500 Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CFEB@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Endorsements/promotion/education/etc... Thread-Index: AcJNhgJ2MdjUXYxxT26U4MwjEFRtJgAe3yiQ From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id UAA16912 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At the very least, such an ad would need to include web links to specific sound examples of this stuff, so people could actually fire up a web browser and HEAR it. But that could be tricky, since some people might never get around to doing that looking up. Even still, a good ad with some intriguing copy and interesting pictures/quotes/descriptions could lure some interested parties into checking it out. ** or just put stuff on their existing site without any print advert presence - - perhaps they already have this. the idea of having someone like yourself or lawson or any of the other folks putting stuff is is a damn good one. and it could mean exposure for folks like yourself, etc., who could use some. it would be mostly for people who are researching the edp, but it would be better than nothing there at all . . . A more costly, but probably more effective approach, would be to include an audio CD (or data CD-ROM with mp3 files) with a specific musical instrument or technology magazine, showcasing different artists and - probably even more importantly - different technical and stylistic applications. ** actually, i don't know how expensive this would really be. as we all know cd-r discs are incredibly cheap and abundant and are ruining the "music business" ;-) it seems if you get the artist royalties for $0 - - it's also about their promo/exposure (at least for those who don't have exposure) - - it comes down to artwork, mastering and duplication . . . all of which might be less expensive and more effective than a mag ad (which might have copywriting, photo costs, graphics costs and page space costs). getting it into the mag might be a tad harder, but it could be tied into an article or something?? need to have the sympathetic writer to get on board on this last, i expect. anyway, hypothetically, it seems to be doable. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 21:06:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20535; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:04:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:04:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <1a8.77a7435.2a9d7b47@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:03:03 EDT Subject: Re: Pattern Sequencers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com marklar! >I've never done it, but my MC-307 would probably work well if you just >turned >down the click track. huh? dude: you haven't sequenced a repeater loop/loops w/a 'pattern sequencer' (drum machine, etc), yet? i'm (technologically) shocked! *-) anyways..... it's quite a bit of fun-ctional. certainly, one of my first (and abiding) uses of the repeater. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 21:52:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23729; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:52:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:52:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D6C2C40.9C5D1EBA@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:49:51 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pattern Sequencers References: <1a8.77a7435.2a9d7b47@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah. I shamefully admit it: I've never set the Repeater up to work this way. I've stutter started it, stopped it, pitch and tempo shifted it, but never really used a pattern sequencer to trigger loops in an automated way. I've only synched to one. I guess, the way I use it is way more "on the fly". I also admit that although it was a selling point, I've only once saved Repeater loops to my Mac once, and they've sat unused. I guess I feel that if I'm going to do something that planned out, why not just use Digital Performer 3? Which is what I end up doing. Mark Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > marklar! > > >I've never done it, but my MC-307 would probably work well if you just > >turned > >down the click track. > huh? dude: > you haven't sequenced a repeater loop/loops w/a 'pattern sequencer' (drum > machine, etc), yet? i'm (technologically) shocked! > *-) > anyways..... it's quite a bit of fun-ctional. certainly, one of my first (and > abiding) uses of the repeater. > best, > dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 23:05:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04008; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 23:05:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 23:05:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.144.130.45] From: "Jonathan Yandel" To: Subject: Why so Heavy? Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:02:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.02.0005.2201 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C24E15.723438E0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2002 03:02:31.0303 (UTC) FILETIME=[599AF970:01C24E3F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C24E15.723438E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mark--My JamMan's working wonderfully! Here's some further thoughts m= eant to clarify at least my opinions regarding the whole Santana vs. Korn= thing... >There's a lot of talk about Korn, but I hear their music and I don't fin= d >anything remotely new about it. =20 Right. They aren't bad at all, considering. More on this, below: =20 >Then we talk about Fripp as being a >dinosaur. Maybe he's not progressing as an artist as much as we'd like = him >too, but give the old fart a break. =20 I, for one, am a gigantic fan of Fripp. He was the first guitarist I hea= rd that made me realize just what could be done with not only the guitar,= but music in general. Then came Gunn, Belew, Brook, Frisell, and (espec= ially) Torn. However, the reason I decided to become a professional musi= cian started with Fripp. An interesting note: I was eighteen when I firs= t heard him, and that was back in '95. So, I can relate to younger music= ians that are influenced by the great artists of the past, regardless of = genre. However, I also realize that people like me don't represent the m= ajority of the listening public, and we certainly don't represent the maj= ority of the instrument-buying public. I mean, if we did, there would be= no need for a list such as this. >Sure, Nirvana brought back pawn shop >Fender Jaguars and old tweed amps (I really like Nirvana, BTW) but were = they >doing anything new? Not at all. Does it have to be new? Why not just = good? No, but the problem with the music industry--and it is very much an indus= try, mind you--is that it takes advantage of the fact that the listening = public has the collective attention span of a gnat (speaking from vast ex= perience, I can tell you that a gnat is very difficult to hold an intelli= gent conversation with). No, these bands aren't doing anything new, but = the problem is that the business presents them as innovators. They want = us to believe that Puddle of Mudd or Linkin Park is the next new thing--i= t's advertising. It sells more records. Not nearly as many people would= rush to get cd's by a band that "sounds almost as good as the original".= So, to summarize: in the long run, will a Wes Borland (or any new fad) = have as much influence on guitarists as Santana or Fripp? In the long ru= n, I don't think so. But for now, he's selling a hell of a lot more guit= ars to teenagers. best, jonathanGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explo= rer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C24E15.723438E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Mark--My JamM= an's working wonderfully!  Here's some further thoughts meant to cla= rify at least my opinions regarding the whole Santana vs. Korn thing...

 

>There's a lot of talk about Korn, but I hear thei= r music and I don't find
>anything remotely new about it. 

=

Right.  They aren't bad at all, considering.  More on this,= below: 

 

>Then we talk about Fripp as being = a
>dinosaur.  Maybe he's not progressing as an artist as much = as we'd like him
>too, but give the old fart a break. 

= I, for one, am a gigantic fan of Fripp.  He was the first guitarist = I heard that made me realize just what could be done with not only the gu= itar, but music in general.  Then came Gunn, Belew, Brook, Frisell, = and (especially) Torn.  However, the reason I decided to become a pr= ofessional musician started with Fripp.  An interesting note: I was = eighteen when I first heard him, and that was back in '95.  So, I ca= n relate to younger musicians that are influenced by the great artists of= the past, regardless of genre.  However, I also realize that people= like me don't represent the majority of the listening public, and we cer= tainly don't represent the majority of the instrument-buying public. = ; I mean, if we did, there would be no need for a list such as this.

=

 

 >Sure, Nirvana brought back pawn shop
>Fe= nder Jaguars and old tweed amps (I really like Nirvana, BTW) but were the= y
>doing anything new?  Not at all.  Does it have to be n= ew?  Why not just good?

No, but the problem with the music in= dustry--and it is very much an industry, mind you--is that it takes advan= tage of the fact that the listening public has the collective a= ttention span of a gnat (speaking from vast experience, I can tell you th= at a gnat is very difficult to hold an intelligent conversation with).&nb= sp; No, these bands aren't doing anything new, but the problem is that th= e business presents them as innovators.  They want us to believe tha= t Puddle of Mudd or Linkin Park is the next new thing--it's advertis= ing.  It sells more records.  Not nearly as many people would r= ush to get cd's by a band that "sounds almost as good as the original".&n= bsp; So, to summarize: in the long run, will a Wes Borland (or any n= ew fad) have as much influence on guitarists as Santana or Frip= p?  In the long run, I don't think so.  But for now, h= e's selling a hell of a lot more guitars to teenagers.

best,

<= P>jonathan

 


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------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C24E15.723438E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 23:12:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04445; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 23:09:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 23:09:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1be.c43b75a.2a9d98c5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 23:08:53 EDT Subject: Re: south-east looping roll call To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1be.c43b75a.2a9d98c5_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1be.c43b75a.2a9d98c5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/27/02 5:50:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jimfowler@prodigy.net writes: > say tennessee and > south jim.....i keep sayin it and nothing happens!.....sorry.....:).....michael --part1_1be.c43b75a.2a9d98c5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/27/02 5:50:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jimfowler@prodigy.net writes:


say tennessee and
south


jim.....i keep sayin it and nothing happens!.....sorry.....:).....michael --part1_1be.c43b75a.2a9d98c5_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 27 23:46:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09991; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 23:45:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 23:45:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020827221522.0226c3f8@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:37:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Duke Sexton Subject: Re: CHECKING IN (US Midwest/Chicago) In-Reply-To: <00c201c24cb5$399a4bc0$1064f93f@global> References: <200208251602.MAA17256@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:01 PM 8/25/2002 -0700, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: >1)where you live Chicago, IL >2)where you would like to perform (a city or a region) *** Within, let's say, a 3-4 hour drive of Chicago. *** Note: I'm currently in 'construkt' mode. So answers regarding performance assume I've had enough time to rebuild my entire setup and recompose a set based on that configuration -- probably 3-6 months in the future. >3) whether you have the desire to perform in any other region (many people >who played the Y2K2 LOOPFEST in Santa Cruz, California made the festival an >excuse to take a vacation. Some even flew in from elsewhere to do so. Eventually, perhaps, but it'll be a little while yet. >4) would you be willing to host a fellow looper or loopers at a local venue >(by producing the event yourself) if they came in from out of town to play a >show with you----- the mini-looping festival approach. I'll gladly assist in the production of such an event, given that I'm working shoulder-to-shoulder with others and not carrying the whole thing myself. >5) would you be willing to put a performer up at your home during the >length of their stay (not to exceed 3 months........no, just joking) Sorry, my wife & family are extremely private concerning our home life. We don't even allow relatives to stay over. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 00:00:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12944; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 23:57:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 23:57:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c24e47$c28c14c0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <00b901c24bc3$cbb778e0$0affff0a@hppav> <001a01c24c49$225f7500$0affff0a@hppav> <005b01c24d74$6b957fe0$0affff0a@hppav> <3D6B0930.3221692A@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: EDP Hardware Interface Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:02:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop017.verizon.net from [151.203.202.250] using ID at Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:56:13 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <-ZKCh.A.iHD.8nEb9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre - I'll submit we may disagree on this. Imagine if the Aurisis team were to write software for the Repeater hardware/memory configuration. Guitarists and Keyboardists "think" differently based on the way their instrument is laid out. Once they get some musical theory, years of playing etc.. they can relate and think "outside" of their instrument, their musical interface. Hardware/Software live in symbiosis -- e.g.; WINTEL Try looking at a T.C. Electronics GForce interface and see if that gives you a few ideas. EDP software is great stuff. Love it. I think it's the balls. It's extremely inventive and clever, and makes great use of the existing hardware. To me it's much more intuitive than its 90's stable-mate the JamMan ever was. Interestingly, the EDP uses a few extra buttons too. Coincidence? The current EDP hardware it will never retain samples/loop when the power is off, -- if it did, you'd want a way to pick from among stored loops/samples. Nor will it allow multiple loops simultaneously with different loop lengths and speeds -- if it did you'd want a way to indicate which loops you want to "operate" on -- while the others are also playing. OK. I'll let someone else have the last word on this. I think I've said all I can say. It's up to Trace/Gibson to do a cost/benefit analysis and determine predictably there's no benefit. I'll wait for the DVD tutorials to help a regular punter old like myself learn new EDP capabilities. David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 00:05:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15437; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:04:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:04:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007401c24e48$ab0d90c0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <200208261444.AA973209836@mail.unitcircle.com> Subject: the sticker Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:09:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop015.verizon.net from [151.203.202.250] using ID at Tue, 27 Aug 2002 23:02:43 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sticker Plan Phase 1 -- Let's make 1000 Stickers Phase II -- Let's send them to Trace Eliot in the UK, or whoever is making EDP's this week. :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 00:05:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15131; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:04:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:04:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <117.1673314a.2a9da559@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:02:33 EDT Subject: Re: south-east looping roll call To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_117.1673314a.2a9da559_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_117.1673314a.2a9da559_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/27/02 7:26:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Briscoe23@aol.com writes: > . I live in Birmingham, AL currently and would love to help pull something > together. Email me off list... > why off list?.....michael --part1_117.1673314a.2a9da559_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/27/02 7:26:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Briscoe23@aol.com writes:


.  I live in Birmingham, AL currently and would love to help pull something together.  Email me off list...


why off list?.....michael --part1_117.1673314a.2a9da559_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 00:10:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16034; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:09:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:09:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f101c24e49$747e2b40$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <20020827181438.6A3322FD28@server3.fastmail.fm> Subject: Re: Popularity/influence/etc. Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:14:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop015.verizon.net from [151.203.202.250] using ID at Tue, 27 Aug 2002 23:08:21 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hip-Hop/Rap = Loops Hip-Hop/Rap = CD Sales Hip-Hop/Rap = Popular Q. Are their any hip-hop rappers on this list? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 00:13:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16193; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:11:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:11:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: <19a.7c1a30f.2a9da712@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:09:54 EDT Subject: Re: CHECKING IN (US Southwest) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_19a.7c1a30f.2a9da712_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_19a.7c1a30f.2a9da712_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wayne Wesley Johnson...Dates At a Glance! Other performance dates pending! Much of Wayne's time is being spent in the studio on various recording projects (see What's New) Click here: Wannadu - What's New and with local performances, near his new home in Santa Fe, New Mexico. Mark your calendars...... Internationally recognized...Recording Artist / Songwriter / Producer Virtuoso New Jersey born, now a Santa Fe resident guitarist...Wayne Wesley Johnson , guitarist and former drummer with guitar greats, Les Paul and Nokie Edwards (The Ventures), sometimes teams with Spanish guitarist, Ruben Romero of Santa Fe, New Mexico with whom he produced and recorded three "World Class Guitar Music" CDs. The duo has sold nearly 70,000 CDs of "Flamenco Festival," Flamenco Flavors" and "Hypnotic Safari" over the past two years, and their music has been aired on over 400 radio stations and in over 40 different countries. Wayne's new debut solo album "Canciones del alma" (Songs from the Soul) is soon to be released on his artist owned Wannadu label, and his performances include original tunes from his new release and some from his previous recordings along with some familiar standards. A message from Dr. Mark Pritcher, CAAS PresidentAs President of the Chet Atkins Appreciation Society it is my pleasure to recommend Wayne Wesley Johnson as a fine guitarist and a fine entertainer. He has performed at our annual convention for over five years in Nashville, Tennessee. He is accomplished in several styles of music, including jazz, flamenco, and thumbstyle playing in the Atkins/Travis style. His unique compositions combine the worlds of jazz and flamenco. I hope you have an opportunity soon to invite Wayne Wesley Johnson to perform his music for you. Mark Pritcher July 4-5 Nokie Festival , Eugene, Oregon http://www.nokie@nokieedwards.org/ July 10-13 CAAS Chet Atkins Appreciation Society, Sheraton Music City Hotel, Nashville, Tn. Once again, Wayne rejoins the world's finest guitarists for the annual week long tribute to the late "Mr. Guitar" Chet Atkins. Open to the public...fees charged at the door or in advance...become a CAAS member, Contact Dr. Mark Pritcher email: GMPJR1@aol.com for details and information about this event. July 18-21 NAAM International Music Products Association conference and trade show, Nashville Convention Center, TN. Wayne is an endorsee for several instrument manufacturers...Ultrasound, Budda, GHS Strings, B-Band, Heritage, Godin, Sabine and others. Look for Wayne in many of these booths. August 7, Eldorado Hotel Santa Fe, NM Solo Guitar and with Miguel Romero & Roberto Gonzalez 6-10 p.m. 309 West San Francisco Street ~ Santa Fe ~ New Mexico ~ 87501 800-286-6755 ~ 505-988-4455 ~ 505-995-4555 fax August 8, BTO Custom Events, Santa Fe, NM Solo Guitar 5:30-7:30 P.M. by invitation August 8, Los Mayas 409 W.Water St. Santa Fe, NM 505.986.9930 evening guest appearance August 10, Jackalope with Ruben Romero & Roberto Gonzalez 12-3 p.m. 2820 Cerrillos Road, Santa Fe, NM 87505 Telephone: (505) 471-8539 Directions: From Albuquerque, take I-25 north to Santa Fe. Take exit 278 onto Cerrillos Road North. Go approximately 4 miles just past the intersection of Siler Road. Jackalope is on the right. August 12, Taos Inn, Taos N.M., with Ruben Romero & Carlos Guzman 125 Paseo del Pueblo Norte, Taos, NM 87571 www.taosinn.com 505.758.2233 fax: 505.758.5776 Email: taosinn@newmex.com August 16 Keystone, CO Private function with Ruben Romero August 17 Eldorado Hotel, Santa Fe, NM with Ruben & Miguel Romero 8:30-11:30 p.m. 309 West San Francisco Street ~ Santa Fe ~ New Mexico ~ 87501 800-286-6755 ~ 505-988-4455 ~ 505-995-4555 fax August 21 Eldorado Hotel, Santa Fe, NM with Miguel Romero & Roberto Gonzalez 6:00- 10:00 p.m. 309 West San Francisco Street ~ Santa Fe ~ New Mexico ~ 87501 800-286-6755 ~ 505-988-4455 ~ 505-995-4555 fax August 23, KSFR 90.7 FM Santa Fe Public Radio www.ksfr.org On Air Interview with Diego Mulligan on "The Journey Home" 4:00- 5:00 p.m. August 23, Fenn Galleries, Santa Fe, NM private function 5:30 - 7:30 August 24 Eldorado Hotel, Santa Fe, NM with Ruben & Miguel Romero 8:30-11:30 p.m. 309 West San Francisco Street ~ Santa Fe ~ New Mexico ~ 87501 800-286-6755 ~ 505-988-4455 ~ 505-995-4555 fax August 25 Guadalajara Grill, Santa Fe, NM with pianist Carlos Almeida August 31 Eldorado Hotel, Santa Fe, NM with Ruben & Miguel Romero 8:30-11:30 p.m. 309 West San Francisco Street ~ Santa Fe ~ New Mexico ~ 87501 800-286-6755 ~ 505-988-4455 ~ 505-995-4555 fax September 7 private event in Colorado September 14 private event in Las Vegas, NM September 21 Eldorado Hotel, Santa Fe, NM with Ruben & Miguel Romero 8:30-11:30 p.m. 309 West San Francisco Street ~ Santa Fe ~ New Mexico ~ 87501 800-286-6755 ~ 505-988-4455 ~ 505-995-4555 fax September 28 Eldorado Hotel, Santa Fe, NM with Ruben & Miguel Romero 8:30-11:30 p.m. 309 West San Francisco Street ~ Santa Fe ~ New Mexico ~ 87501 800-286-6755 ~ 505-988-4455 ~ 505-995-4555 fax For booking information: E-mail: Wjguitar@aol.com Phone: 505.466.8700 Fax: 505.466.8702 Mail: Wannadu, L.L.C. 7 Avenida Vista Grande # 260 Santa Fe, NM 87508-9198 website: http://wannadu.com Best Regards, Wayne Wesley Johnson Wannadu, LLC 7 Avenida Vista Grande #-260 Santa Fe, NM 87508 phone: 505.466.8700 fax: 505.466.8702 email: Wjguitar@aol.com or WannaduLLC@aol.com website: http://wannadu.com --part1_19a.7c1a30f.2a9da712_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wayne Wesley Johnson...Dates At a Glance!    Other performance dates pending! 

Much of Wayne's time is being spent in the studio on various recording projects (see What's New)   Click here: Wannadu - What's New  and with local performances, near his new home in Santa Fe, New Mexico.

Mark your calendars......

Internationally recognized...Recording Artist / Songwriter / Producer  Virtuoso New Jersey born, now a Santa Fe resident guitarist...Wayne Wesley Johnson , guitarist and former drummer with guitar greats, Les Paul and Nokie Edwards (The Ventures),   sometimes teams with Spanish  guitarist, Ruben Romero of Santa Fe, New Mexico with whom he produced and recorded three "World Class Guitar Music" CDs. The duo has sold nearly 70,000 CDs of "Flamenco Festival," Flamenco Flavors" and "Hypnotic Safari" over the past two years, and their music has been aired on over 400 radio stations and in over 40 different countries.  Wayne's new debut solo album "Canciones del alma" (Songs from the Soul) is soon to be released on his artist owned Wannadu label, and his performances include original tunes from his new release and some from his previous recordings along with some familiar standards. 

A message from Dr. Mark Pritcher, CAAS PresidentAs President of the Chet Atkins Appreciation Society it is my pleasure to recommend Wayne Wesley Johnson as a fine guitarist and a fine entertainer. He has performed at our annual convention for over five years in Nashville, Tennessee. He is accomplished in several styles of music, including jazz, flamenco, and thumbstyle playing in the Atkins/Travis style. His unique compositions combine the worlds of jazz and flamenco. I hope you have an opportunity soon to invite Wayne Wesley Johnson to perform his music for you.  Mark Pritcher

July 4-5 Nokie Festival , Eugene, Oregon http://www.nokie@nokieedwards.org/

July 10-13 CAAS Chet Atkins Appreciation Society, Sheraton Music City Hotel, Nashville, Tn. Once again, Wayne rejoins the world's finest guitarists for the annual week long tribute to the late "Mr. Guitar" Chet Atkins. Open to the public...fees charged at the door or in advance...become a CAAS member, Contact Dr. Mark Pritcher email: GMPJR1@aol.com for details and information about this event.

July 18-21 NAAM International Music Products Association conference and trade show, Nashville Convention Center, TN. Wayne is an endorsee for several instrument manufacturers...Ultrasound, Budda, GHS Strings, B-Band, Heritage, Godin, Sabine and others. Look for Wayne in many of these booths.

August 7, Eldorado Hotel  Santa Fe, NM  Solo Guitar and with Miguel Romero & Roberto Gonzalez  6-10 p.m.  309 West San Francisco Street ~ Santa Fe ~ New Mexico ~ 87501
800-286-6755 ~ 505-988-4455 ~ 505-995-4555 fax

August 8,  BTO Custom Events, Santa Fe, NM  Solo Guitar 5:30-7:30 P.M. by invitation

August 8,  Los Mayas     409 W.Water St. Santa Fe, NM  505.986.9930  evening guest appearance

August 10,  Jackalope   with Ruben Romero & Roberto Gonzalez  12-3 p.m.
2820 Cerrillos Road, Santa Fe, NM 87505 Telephone: (505) 471-8539  Directions: From Albuquerque, take I-25 north to Santa Fe. Take exit 278 onto Cerrillos Road North. Go approximately 4 miles just past the intersection of Siler Road.   Jackalope is on the right. 


August 12,  Taos Inn, Taos N.M.,   with Ruben Romero & Carlos Guzman
125 Paseo del Pueblo Norte, Taos, NM 87571
www.taosinn.com   505.758.2233   fax: 505.758.5776  Email:  taosinn@newmex.com

August 16  Keystone, CO  Private function with Ruben Romero 

August 17  Eldorado Hotel,  Santa Fe, NM  with Ruben & Miguel Romero  8:30-11:30 p.m.
309 West San Francisco Street ~ Santa Fe ~ New Mexico ~ 87501
800-286-6755 ~ 505-988-4455 ~ 505-995-4555 fax

August 21  Eldorado Hotel,  Santa Fe, NM  with  Miguel Romero & Roberto Gonzalez  6:00- 10:00 p.m.
309 West San Francisco Street ~ Santa Fe ~ New Mexico ~ 87501
800-286-6755 ~ 505-988-4455 ~ 505-995-4555 fax

August 23,  KSFR 90.7 FM  Santa Fe Public Radio    www.ksfr.org   
On Air Interview with Diego Mulligan on "The Journey Home"  4:00- 5:00 p.m.

August 23,  Fenn Galleries, Santa Fe,  NM private function  5:30 - 7:30

August 24  Eldorado Hotel,  Santa Fe, NM  with  Ruben & Miguel Romero  8:30-11:30 p.m.
309 West San Francisco Street ~ Santa Fe ~ New Mexico ~ 87501
800-286-6755 ~ 505-988-4455 ~ 505-995-4555 fax

August 25  Guadalajara Grill,  Santa Fe, NM  with pianist Carlos Almeida

August 31  Eldorado Hotel,  Santa Fe, NM  with Ruben & Miguel Romero  8:30-11:30 p.m.
309 West San Francisco Street ~ Santa Fe ~ New Mexico ~ 87501
800-286-6755 ~ 505-988-4455 ~ 505-995-4555 fax

September 7    private event in Colorado

September 14  private event in Las Vegas, NM

September 21  Eldorado Hotel,  Santa Fe, NM  with Ruben & Miguel Romero  8:30-11:30 p.m.  309 West San Francisco Street ~ Santa Fe ~ New Mexico ~ 87501
800-286-6755 ~ 505-988-4455 ~ 505-995-4555 fax

September 28  Eldorado Hotel,  Santa Fe, NM  with Ruben & Miguel Romero  8:30-11:30 p.m.   309 West San Francisco Street ~ Santa Fe ~ New Mexico ~ 87501
800-286-6755 ~ 505-988-4455 ~ 505-995-4555 fax

For booking information:

E-mail: Wjguitar@aol.com
Phone: 505.466.8700  Fax: 505.466.8702
Mail:
Wannadu, L.L.C.
7 Avenida Vista Grande # 260
Santa Fe, NM 87508-9198
website:  http://wannadu.com





Best Regards,
Wayne Wesley Johnson

Wannadu, LLC
7 Avenida Vista Grande #-260
Santa Fe, NM 87508

phone: 505.466.8700

fax: 505.466.8702

email: Wjguitar@aol.com   or  WannaduLLC@aol.com
website:  http://wannadu.com




--part1_19a.7c1a30f.2a9da712_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 01:11:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20845; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 01:10:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 01:10:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005701c24e1e$4449ae20$02f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <1be.c43b75a.2a9d98c5@aol.com> Subject: Re: south-east looping roll call Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:05:40 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0054_01C24E26.A5105530" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C24E26.A5105530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wait...michael/nemoguitt...are you in tn? -jim ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C24E26.A5105530 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
wait...michael/nemoguitt...are you in = tn?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C24E26.A5105530-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 01:33:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22188; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 01:33:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 01:33:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020827233250.0095f9f0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 23:32:50 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: action plan In-Reply-To: <00a201c24dfb$dd897b60$92a6accf@lloopoo> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com MY GOD! Girlfriend, WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?!!! It's great to see ya again! lol! Jeez, -guess I should have actually followed this thread. It turns out I've been deleting really funny stuff! Go figure. -I would have certainly commented! lol! *laughing* -Like I said, sex sells! We should definitely come up with our own shirt. Besides, the First Women's Looping Festival is comming up in Oct. -we've got to have some sort of catchy deal! lol! -Love the Looping or Bust idea! woohoo! -with the attention my chest gets, we'd be sure to sell loopers and loopy types! lollollol! Catch ya later gator! Smiles, CQ At 11:59 AM 8/27/02 -0700, you wrote: >> From: Matthias Grob >> - creating a sticker saying "I am so loopie, be my groopie" with >> spirals on tits ;-) > >Matthias, this is hilarious! Can I have a tee-shirt like this, please, >pretty please? Maybe I've got more looping equipment than I thought.... and >stereo too! > >Come to think of it, maybe we looper chix should come up with our own >slogans for the aforementioned graphic. Like, "Born to Loop", "Loop or >Bust", you get the picture. Goddess, lurker-chix, whadduya think? :)=8 > >thanks for the laffs, > >~laurie > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 01:53:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23536; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 01:52:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 01:52:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020827235211.00abee20@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 23:52:11 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Pattern Sequencers In-Reply-To: <1a8.77a7435.2a9d7b47@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is my plan as well, for the upcomming show in San Jose, in Oct. -so we'll see if my set-up comes together enough for it. I'm excited about combining sequences, and live, and prerecorded sequenced loops at the same time. smiles, CQ At 09:03 PM 8/27/02 EDT, you wrote: >marklar! > >>I've never done it, but my MC-307 would probably work well if you just >>turned >>down the click track. >huh? dude: >you haven't sequenced a repeater loop/loops w/a 'pattern sequencer' (drum >machine, etc), yet? i'm (technologically) shocked! >*-) >anyways..... it's quite a bit of fun-ctional. certainly, one of my first (and >abiding) uses of the repeater. >best, >dt / s-c > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 02:01:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25304; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 01:59:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 01:59:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020828055802.64090.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:58:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Starcastle To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200208201718.NAA23646@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> More like a working holiday. After touring Relayer, Yes took a break for about 6 months or so, during which each band member (Steve Howe, Jon Anderson, Chris Squire, Alan White, and Patrick Moraz, for those who had trouble keeping score) recorded a solo album. The band then went out on tour in 76, with a huge stage set designed by Roger and Martin Dean, with the intention of performing material from the solo albums, along with certain other, older Yessongs. About a week into the tour, they decided to drop the solo material, and the show reverted to a sort of "Best of Yes up until now" type of setlist. The stage set was one of the most spetacular ever used by any band. This was also one of the first live shows to use lasers (The Who, Blue Öyster Cult and a few others started using them about the same time). Anyway, after the tour, they went to Switzerland, to start work on what would become Going For The One. So there really wasn't much of a hiatus, apart from while they were making the solo albums. <> I met Starcastle's bassist last year at NEARfest 2001. They had a table setup as they were selling their discs, and also a video the bassist has put out. I overheard him talking about how Chris Squire got his whole sound from copying John Entwistle, so I joined in the conversation. I told him about how i got interested in Starcastle, because a couple people told me they sounded EXACTLY like Yes (and in fact, at least their first album, DOES sound like Yes). He goes "Oh, they weren't listening very closely then, we sounded a bit like Yes because we had the same influences as Yes". I didn't think to tell him that a friend mine told me that when he saw Starcastle back in the 70's, they not only sounded like Yes, they even DRESSED like Yes, right down the fur covered pirate boots that Squire used to wear back then. Would have been interesting to say what his response to that would have been. Starcastle were supposed to play at Progday in Chapel Hill, NC this coming weekend, but they had trouble finding a vocalist. They've gotten back together, but I guess their original singer has decided the band's music would clash with his present religious beliefs, and things didn't work out as planned with the guy they got as his replacement, so they had to cancel out. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 02:02:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25871; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 02:02:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 02:02:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020828000218.00ac15a0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:02:18 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: OT: Silliness -was- Re: Popularity/influence/etc. In-Reply-To: <00f101c24e49$747e2b40$0affff0a@hppav> References: <20020827181438.6A3322FD28@server3.fastmail.fm> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com YO YO YO!!! -it's the Goddess Girl in the house! -Party people in the place to be,- yo, yer' kickin' the game with the one and only Ms. G!!! lollollol! -just kidding, -couldn't resist! -because, afterall, RESISTANCE IS FUTILE, YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED. Smiles, CQ At 12:14 AM 8/28/02 -0400, you wrote: >Hip-Hop/Rap = Loops >Hip-Hop/Rap = CD Sales >Hip-Hop/Rap = Popular > >Q. Are their any hip-hop rappers on this list? > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 02:15:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26722; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 02:13:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 02:13:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020828001318.00ac7d70@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:13:18 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #568 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lol! wow!, this list is going from talking about sex selling loopers, to me on a sofa, to getting Andre into bed! lollollol! This is hilarious! Seriously though, I think the whole idea of a network of us in the world who actually want to perform, or host performances is absolutely fantastic! I want to thank Rick and others for initiating and supporting this idea. I'll also be checking in as well. Talk with y'all laters. Have a wonderful evening. Hugs, CQ At 12:18 AM 8/27/02 -0700, you wrote: >>Hans Said: > >>This was another idea I had after Rick's Y2K2 Loopfest: the Touring >>Looper's Network (a.k.a. Floor Club for Men -- no offense, Goddess - you >>can have the sofa). A loose affiliation of loopers willing to share their >>hospitality for a night or two and help score a local gig in exchange for >>same. Imagine Andre LaFosse or not just playing in your local pub, but >>actually sleeping on your hide-a- bed! Join now! > >I don't know. That's an awful lot of effort to get Andre LaFosse into one's >hide-a-bed! > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 02:50:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28624; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 02:50:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 02:50:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:41:05 -0600 From: Shayne Cafferata Subject: Re: Synths considered harmful To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3D6C7081.998007E5@dlcwest.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <200208270757.DAA20533@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Guitar synths make matters worse. If a guitar player is looking to expand > his or her tonal palette, a guitar synth will probably win out over a > looper. now dat's jes' plain silly. i'd love to have a repeater, etc. but i'm in the do with what you have tax bracket and what i have is what i've found at yard sales and in dusty corners of farmtown music stores over the past 20 years. among the collection are some synth and guit synth gems i'd never part with(x911, gr300, juno106, cz,dx,etc.). i've got it all fired up in space modular wheatfield mode underneath a big nightsky delay. technically it's not looping, but everything's usually based around 1 or two chords and subdivisions therein, lots of textural fader and knobplay juxtaposed with cassettes of jerry falwell's paranoid armmaggedon and how to stop you cat from scratching, etc. ok ok it's techno, but it's more root than rave(not that there's anything wrong with rave) cuz i incorporate things like kalimba and dulcimer and a straight guitar signal in there somewhere. anyway the point i was gonna make is umm would i be allowed to loop my gr300 or my dulcimer thru the x911 and still be welcome on the list? in the definition of looping i think that sound source and procedure is secondary to the fact that an aurally encompassing meditative(or abrasive) space is created. it's only the impact that matters. how the performer achieves it is all wrapped up in the magic of individuality. woh, sappin' out a little here... seriously tho', with a gr33 and an edp before me and solomon saying choose one and the other shall twice be halved in three, i would'nt hesitate to save the looper. just don' ask me to trade in the x911 for one. well... maybe if it was straight across... ah dunno, how can one even compare - a guitarist looking to expand his tonal palette in the context of a regyahler band(one that has at least 5 songs under 20 minutes) may very well choose a gr33. a guitarist with a pipeful of divinorium looking for a ready guide in some celestial voice may very well choose a looper, or a shortwave, or geddy lee. no not geddy lee. nevermind. loop good. synth good. ith awl goood. shayne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 03:20:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31206; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 03:18:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 03:18:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: CHECKING IN (Sweden) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:16:34 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001101c24e62$d7494520$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <00c201c24cb5$399a4bc0$1064f93f@global> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id DAA30981 Resent-Message-ID: <7sux3C.A.UkH.ZjHb9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Rick Walker/Loop.pooL [mailto:GLOBAL@cruzio.com] Hi list, Great initiative, Rick! Geographically I may be located a bit off side compared to the list norm, but I'm definitely in if something shows up. > 1)where you live Stockholm, Capitol of Sweden. > 2)where you would like to perform (a city or a region) Wherever I can transport my body and instruments. > 4) would you be willing to host a fellow looper or loopers > at a local venue (by producing the event yourself) if they > came in from out of town to play a > show with you----- the mini-looping festival approach. Almost exactly what I have in mind for the spring/summer 2003. Just starting out making contacts with the existing Swedish festivals now. Don't know yet if it will end up in "a gig", "a tour", "a festival" or "a touring festival". However, my goal is not to produce any events myself, but rather to hook up with the existing festivals and clubs. Then I'll do the media round-up to get coverage of the concerts. > 5) would you be willing to put a performer up at your home Definitely! Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.loopboy.tk www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com Phone +46 (0)8 341181 Mobile +46 (0)70 4416713 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 05:10:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA07636; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 05:10:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 05:10:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <164.12f8aa57.2a9dec7b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 05:06:03 EDT Subject: Re: Fwd: behringer midi-foot controller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <3thy_D.A.J0B.dKJb9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hey, > I recently purchased the behringer FCB1010, because I own the > behringer blue devil, so i figured the set-up would go pretty easy. > unfortunately, i don't know anything about midi, and i thought the > instructions would be much more simple, so i can't figure out how to > use this equipment i now own. can you explain it to me? Hi Nic, That sure is a big question ;-) the Manual is your friend, and hey you've got two of them! You need to go through the FCB1010 manual, all the way through, just getting an idea what's in there. It has some general stuff about MIDI on page 16 onwards, don't worry if you don't understand everything, it's not actually explained that well, but read it through just to get an idea. Then go to your blue devil manual and find the section on MIDI, that will tell you what commands you need to send from the FCB1010. (leave it open at the correct page) Final stage is to program the FCB1010, so its back to the first manual again. Just start at page 8 ........and stick with it. If you really get stuck you can always ask again. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 06:22:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA11842; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 06:16:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 06:16:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: thought this might be interesting Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:54:40 -0500 Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CFF1@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: thought this might be interesting Thread-Index: AcJOBeXXWjH8TSEzQxiWaMpIemvu/gAFxF1g From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id GAA11628 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe some people here could be influenced by that. ** then he'd be influential! (and "now") ;-) stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 09:23:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24488; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:23:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:23:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.225.127.60] From: "mark francombe" To: Subject: is this a known bub in repeater? Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:28:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C24EA7.9A1F6950" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2002 13:21:13.0229 (UTC) FILETIME=[C7FF5BD0:01C24E95] Resent-Message-ID: <6zOA8B.A.H9F.r5Mb9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C24EA7.9A1F6950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Was trying to copy a loop to the compact card (not a very reliable one i = have to admit) and ran out of space, the copy button/light began to = flash and I was unable to even swap the card for another one with more = space, therefore would have lost my loops so had to go thru th rigmaroll = of recording them seperately onto my PC... is this a known bug? is = there a "known bugs" page anywhere??? cos its er.. "bugging me" Doh! sorry PS: Thanks who ever it was for bringing to my attention the "Notron" = sequncer... want one bad!!! If anyone knows anything... For ex, all = reviews I found talk of crashing and lack of sysex saving... was any = update made??? Enough cool people have used em that they can't be THAT = unreliable... But getting one seems to be the prob... MArk Red __________________ mark red www.mark-red.com mark@mark-red.com =20 __________________ ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C24EA7.9A1F6950 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C24EA7.9A1F6950-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 09:37:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26135; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:37:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:37:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020828133522.91703.qmail@web40403.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:35:22 +0200 (CEST) From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Markus=20A.=20Radner?=" Subject: Free MIDI Player that can handle MFX To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi! I'm looking for a free MIDI-player (for Windows 98) that supports Cakewalk MFX plug-ins. It's sufficient if this player can play simple MIDI-files and I can use the MFX plug-ins on each note. Anyone knows a cool player? Thanx, markus. __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Möchten Sie mit einem Gruß antworten? http://grusskarten.yahoo.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 10:30:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31443; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:28:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:28:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c24ea0$1dbb1910$fca55e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: Subject: Re: is this a known bub in repeater? Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:35:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have that happen..."File Error" message in the window, Copy button becomes useless for any of its functions. Have to reboot. Happens infrequently. *Have the exact conditions for this to happen been documented? Does it happen in all units?* David A. (It bubs me, too) ----- Original Message ----- From: mark francombe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 6:28 AM Subject: is this a known bub in repeater? Was trying to copy a loop to the compact card (not a very reliable one i have to admit) and ran out of space, the copy button/light began to flash and I was unable to even swap the card for another one with more space, therefore would have lost my loops so had to go thru th rigmaroll of recording them seperately onto my PC... is this a known bug? is there a "known bugs" page anywhere??? cos its er.. "bugging me" Doh! sorry PS: Thanks who ever it was for bringing to my attention the "Notron" sequncer... want one bad!!! If anyone knows anything... For ex, all reviews I found talk of crashing and lack of sysex saving... was any update made??? Enough cool people have used em that they can't be THAT unreliable... But getting one seems to be the prob... MArk Red __________________ mark red www.mark-red.com mark@mark-red.com __________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 11:29:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04983; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:26:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:26:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:24:36 -0700 Subject: Re: Synths considered harmful (was Re: Using the Wind Synth tocontrol the Repeater) From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D6BD72F.85D060DD@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2gv6EB.A.ELB.RtOb9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Given some of the responses, it's clear that I wasn't clear enough. I was not suggesting that looping synthesizers was somehow worse than looping other instruments. I was suggesting that from the standpoint of promoting looping, synthesizers get in the way because the audience dismisses anything interesting they hear as "being a synth" and that this spills over to musicians as well looking to broaden their tonal palettes. There was a story a while back in Guitar Player concerning someone (Leni Stern?) who saw David Torn play and wondered what guitar synth he was using. The happy ending is that she asked and he told her that no synths were involved and it was loops plus other processing. How many people don't bother to ask? And to put this in perspective, I just bought a Waldorf Microwave XT, so I'm certainly not opposed to synthesizers. I just think that they may be an issue that needs to be overcome if we wanted to promote a greater public awareness of looping. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 11:44:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06262; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:43:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:43:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:41:09 -0700 Subject: Re: popularity/influence and Valentino From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA06019 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/27/02 8:53 AM, max valentino at ekstasis1@hotmail.com wrote: > Matthias; Thanks for your very touching and wonderful comments. I am truly > honored and somewhat humbled. At the risk of this becoming a “mutual > appreciation forum”, let me say that I am also a huge fan of Mr. Grob. His > masterful and seamless loopage continues to push and inspire me. Yet, it > should be noted that this is of some current relevance, more than his > seamless and astonishing looping, more than his barefooted pedal technique, > it is his sheer musicality which floors me. The dynamics, the nuance, the > conceptual motifs, harmonic complexity, and the sublime passion with which > he plays, all within the context of a “looping artist”, makes his music so > outstanding. Matthias would make a great poster child for looping since he has an interesting technology story to go with it. I'm thinking about what one would need to do to make a calculated assault on the music market. I may have more to say later. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 11:50:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07056; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:48:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:48:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:42:00 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: Synths considered harmful (was Re: Using the Wind Synth tocontrol the Repeater) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1ZxsiC.A.QpB.tBPb9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OTOH I do a lot of loop oriented music with a Nord Modular and its built in sequencers -- usually the output passes through a Jam Man or two on the way to tape, but it wouldn't need to do sound loopy. Anyone who would like to exchange CD-R's can contact me off-list, At 8:24 AM -0700 8/28/02, Mark Hamburg wrote: >Given some of the responses, it's clear that I wasn't clear enough. > >I was not suggesting that looping synthesizers was somehow worse than >looping other instruments. I was suggesting that from the standpoint of >promoting looping, synthesizers get in the way because the audience >dismisses anything interesting they hear as "being a synth" and that this >spills over to musicians as well looking to broaden their tonal palettes. > >There was a story a while back in Guitar Player concerning someone (Leni >Stern?) who saw David Torn play and wondered what guitar synth he was using. >The happy ending is that she asked and he told her that no synths were >involved and it was loops plus other processing. How many people don't >bother to ask? > >And to put this in perspective, I just bought a Waldorf Microwave XT, so I'm >certainly not opposed to synthesizers. I just think that they may be an >issue that needs to be overcome if we wanted to promote a greater public >awareness of looping. > >Mark -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 11:50:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07027; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:48:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:48:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:46:51 -0700 Subject: Re: Synths considered harmful (was Re: Using the Wind Synth tocontrol the Repeater) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5E83018C-BA9D-11D6-B07F-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <_SB2uB.A.6oB.tBPb9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OH! OK. Yes. I see what you're saying. I totally agree. (how about that for a 180?) A lot of times I'm just using an ebow and a wah. What's worse is when you're looping all over the place, processing your loops like mad, and what do people want to know about? The $149 AirFX. I think what it boils down to is this: Looping doesn't seem interesting to most musicians when explained or experienced. You've really just got to do it to love it. I could be wrong. Maybe there's something about us that predisposes us to this, but I don't think so. Marklar On Wednesday, August 28, 2002, at 08:24 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > Given some of the responses, it's clear that I wasn't clear enough. > > I was not suggesting that looping synthesizers was somehow worse than > looping other instruments. I was suggesting that from the standpoint of > promoting looping, synthesizers get in the way because the audience > dismisses anything interesting they hear as "being a synth" and that > this > spills over to musicians as well looking to broaden their tonal > palettes. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 11:50:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06433; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:44:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:44:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:42:14 -0700 Subject: Re: Endorsement and usage effectiveness From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <175.d8a2673.2a9bdd52@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/26/02 12:36 PM, Hedewa7@aol.com at Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > 'what it feels like for a girl', by madonna/sigsworth/torn. So, do I need to become a Madonna fan now? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 11:51:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07553; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:50:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:50:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:48:52 -0700 Subject: Re: CHECKING IN (Monterey Bay/San Jose) From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00c201c24cb5$399a4bc0$1064f93f@global> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/25/02 9:01 PM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL at GLOBAL@cruzio.com wrote: > 1)where you live Scotts Valley, CA (about 10 miles from the current looping capital in Santa Cruz) > > 2)where you would like to perform (a city or a region) Anywhere within about a 3 or 4 hour drive. I would consider travelling further -- up to 8 hours or so -- depending on the event. For example, I'd love to play Tedfest in Ashland. > > 3) whether you have the desire to perform in any other region (many people > who played the Y2K2 LOOPFEST in Santa Cruz, California made the festival an > excuse to take a vacation. Some even flew in from elsewhere to do so. Gear transport is probably a limiting factor otherwise I'd be more enthusiastic. (I might try harder to resolve the issues for an event in Ann Arbor.) > 4) would you be willing to host a fellow looper or loopers at a local venue > (by producing the event yourself) if they came in from out of town to play a > show with you----- the mini-looping festival approach. Probably difficult for me to find time to organize while working my day job. > 5) would you be willing to put a performer up at your home during the > length of their stay (not to exceed 3 months........no, just joking) With enough warning, I could probably persuade my wife to accept a guest. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 11:52:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07826; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:51:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:51:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Sender: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: No Synths Involved--Unless You Include Processing Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:49:40 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c24eaa$907fd9e0$c2d6f343@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <6AAxC.A.0wB.pEPb9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Hamburg explained his concern: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09376; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:58:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:58:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:57:08 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: Silliness -was- Re: Popularity/influence/etc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020828000218.00ac15a0@pop.earthlink.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I talked a lot about this when the Repeater first came out. I think they were on the right track by marketing it toward the DJs, but then dropped the ball and marketed it to no one. I really think that for any looper to survive in this climate it's GOT to be DJ oriented. My guess is that music stores are selling a lot more DJ gear these days than anything else. Am I right? I have no proof, I just see the DJ gear section of most music stores getting larger and larger. Marklar On Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 11:02 PM, Goddess wrote: > YO YO YO!!! -it's the Goddess Girl in the house! -Party people in > the > place to be,- yo, yer' kickin' the game with the one and only Ms. G!!! > lollollol! -just kidding, -couldn't resist! -because, afterall, > RESISTANCE IS FUTILE, YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED. > > Smiles, > > CQ > > At 12:14 AM 8/28/02 -0400, you wrote: >> Hip-Hop/Rap = Loops >> Hip-Hop/Rap = CD Sales >> Hip-Hop/Rap = Popular >> >> Q. Are their any hip-hop rappers on this list? >> >> > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and > eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 12:07:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11531; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:06:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:06:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <16e.12dc03cc.2a9e4e46@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:03:18 EDT Subject: Re: is this a known bub in repeater? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 8/28/2002 10:26:49 AM, DavAuk@Hevanet.com writes: >I have that happen..."File Error" message in the window, Copy button becomes >useless for any of its functions. Have to reboot. Happens infrequently. >*Have the exact conditions for this to happen been documented? Does it >happen in all units?* ..... while i've had this happen with slow cfc's, even my fast cfc's seem to *slow down* when they start getting full --- as if the disk is becoming progressively more fragmented..... best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 12:11:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11560; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:07:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:07:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <18.247977f8.2a9e4e89@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:04:25 EDT Subject: Re: Endorsement and usage effectiveness To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <-TygHD.A.ttC.wSPb9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes: >So, do I need to become a Madonna fan now? ummm..... no? *-) best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 12:13:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11538; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:06:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:06:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:06:46 -0400 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Notron (was: Re: is this a known bub in repeater?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3D6CF516.9401FCF3@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_1EL6uPbWfOff55IeD8X8jA)" X-Accept-Language: en,zh-TW References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Boundary_(ID_1EL6uPbWfOff55IeD8X8jA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT For more Notron info, there is a list on topica. You can ask questions there, also a good place to monitor just in case some crazy/desperate person decides to sell theirs. You're also welcome to email me with questions about it. mark francombe wrote: > PS: Thanks who ever it was for bringing to my attention the "Notron" > sequncer... want one bad!!! If anyone knows anything... For ex, all > reviews I found talk of crashing and lack of sysex saving... was any > update made??? Enough cool people have used em that they can't be THAT > unreliable... But getting one seems to be the prob... --Boundary_(ID_1EL6uPbWfOff55IeD8X8jA) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT For more Notron info, there is a list on topica. You can ask questions there, also a good place to monitor just in case some crazy/desperate person decides to sell theirs. You're also welcome to email me with questions about it.

mark francombe wrote:

PS: Thanks who ever it was for bringing to my attention the "Notron" sequncer... want one bad!!! If anyone knows anything... For ex, all reviews I found talk of crashing and lack of sysex saving... was any update made??? Enough cool people have used em that they can't be THAT unreliable... But getting one seems to be the prob...
--Boundary_(ID_1EL6uPbWfOff55IeD8X8jA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 12:13:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12208; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:12:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:12:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Mainstream looping Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:11:01 +0200 Message-ID: <002b01c24ead$dd71b2c0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <1ACE6616-B9D6-11D6-8C37-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark asked: > No one's mentioned Radiohead's Kid A. Great album with what > sounds like > some real time vocal looping. Nothing too sophisticated, > sounds like he > might just be sampling his voice with a Korg KAOSS pad and looping it > back out alternating forwards and backwards. The result is very > obvious. Has it generated more sales of KAOSS pads? I bet a few. At least one! Rainer (Kaoss Pad Owner, who went to a Radiohead concert once) Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 12:43:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14718; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:42:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:42:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0 Message-ID: <3D6CFD15.347FE3F2@ernieball.com> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:40:53 -0700 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: OT: Silliness References: <200208281613.MAA12411@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Engineering Sender: hans@ernieball.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Somewhere I saw a figure that turntables outsold guitars last year. Some people around here feel that the slump in guitar sales is due to the fact that rock isn't as hip as it was in the past, and that there aren't really any guitar heroes rockin' the charts. -Hans > I talked a lot about this when the Repeater first came out. I think > they were on the right track by marketing it toward the DJs, but then > dropped the ball and marketed it to no one. I really think that for > any > looper to survive in this climate it's GOT to be DJ oriented. My > guess > is that music stores are selling a lot more DJ gear these days than > anything else. Am I right? I have no proof, I just see the DJ gear > section of most music stores getting larger and larger. > > Marklar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 12:48:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15135; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:47:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:47:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <20020827181438.6A3322FD28@server3.fastmail.fm> <00f101c24e49$747e2b40$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Re: Popularity/influence/etc. Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:45:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2002 16:45:14.0707 (UTC) FILETIME=[487CAA30:01C24EB2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hip-hop/Rap = sampling and presequencing, rather than loop performance Hip-hop/Rap = everything done in the studio Hip-hop/Rap = amazingly lackluster live shows for audiences who've never seen better ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 9:14 PM Subject: Re: Popularity/influence/etc. > Hip-Hop/Rap = Loops > Hip-Hop/Rap = CD Sales > Hip-Hop/Rap = Popular > > Q. Are their any hip-hop rappers on this list? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 12:50:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15369; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:47:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:47:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <130.13905014.2a9e583e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:45:50 EDT Subject: Re: south-east looping roll call To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_130.13905014.2a9e583e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_130.13905014.2a9e583e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/28/02 1:08:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jimfowler@prodigy.net writes: > wait...michael/nemoguitt...are you in tn? > no but i can get there.....:).....michael --part1_130.13905014.2a9e583e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/28/02 1:08:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jimfowler@prodigy.net writes:


wait...michael/nemoguitt...are you in tn?


no but i can get there.....:).....michael --part1_130.13905014.2a9e583e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 12:57:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16216; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:54:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:54:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:53:17 EDT Subject: Re: Synths considered harmful To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_fb.2b78699b.2a9e59fd_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_fb.2b78699b.2a9e59fd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/28/02 2:49:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, scafferata@dlcwest.com writes: > now dat's jes' plain silly shayne.....how can i hear some of your tunes, it all sounds right up my alley.....michael --part1_fb.2b78699b.2a9e59fd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/28/02 2:49:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, scafferata@dlcwest.com writes:


now dat's jes' plain silly


shayne.....how can i hear some of your tunes, it all sounds right up my alley.....michael --part1_fb.2b78699b.2a9e59fd_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 13:10:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18770; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:08:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:08:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <200208251602.MAA17256@hemlock.violacea.com> <00c201c24cb5$399a4bc0$1064f93f@global> Subject: Re: CHECKING IN Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:08:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2002 17:06:31.0648 (UTC) FILETIME=[419A6600:01C24EB5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > 1)where you live San Francisco Bay Area, California, USA > 2)where you would like to perform (a city or a region) Within 2-3 hour drive unless I can hitch a ride with others > 3) whether you have the desire to perform in any other region (many people Possibly, but its not always financially viable. > 4) would you be willing to host a fellow looper or loopers at a local venue Yes with enough notice, but I'm not likely to be able to book a well paying gig unless I get lucky. > 5) would you be willing to put a performer up at your home during the Yes. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 13:10:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18651; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:08:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:08:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <47.223ddd25.2a9e5d14@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:06:28 EDT Subject: are you in tn? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_47.223ddd25.2a9e5d14_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: <36XdZD.A.KfE.tMQb9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_47.223ddd25.2a9e5d14_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/28/02 12:46:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: > > >> wait...michael/nemoguitt...are you in tn? >> > jim.....also, my katy is stationed in knoxville with the airlines and its no problem for me to get there and use her car to get elsewhere in that area.....in fact she had said that there is a ton-o-music (live) in knoxville.....michael --part1_47.223ddd25.2a9e5d14_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/28/02 12:46:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes:



wait...michael/nemoguitt...are you in tn?



jim.....also, my katy is stationed in knoxville with the airlines and its no problem for me to get there and use her car to get elsewhere in that area.....in fact she had said that there is a ton-o-music (live) in knoxville.....michael --part1_47.223ddd25.2a9e5d14_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 13:17:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19389; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:16:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:16:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Popularity/influence/etc. Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 19:14:41 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001301c24eb6$65ee36c0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA19271 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: Jonathan El-Bizri [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] > Hip-hop/Rap = sampling and presequencing, rather than loop > performance Hip-hop/Rap = everything done in the studio > Hip-hop/Rap = amazingly lackluster live shows for audiences > who've never seen better This is not true in every case. I was checking out a gig with Gang Starr and the energy level and fluent improvisation skills those two guys (with guests) had on stage was nothing but the same expression that The Jimi Hendrix Experience and other "power trios" put out thirty years earlier. DJ Premier played two turntables, with vinyl records, at the same time - keeping the beat (often heavily syncopated with lots of stops and breaks) on one while "soloing" scratch on the other. He was backing up the rap tightly and sometimes "pushing it", but with "big ears", while Guru to some extent made up the lyrics right there on the fly! Nothing pre-recorded about that IMHO ;-) But of course there are lousy rappers and scratches. But haven't we seen way too many lousy guitarists for some time? Another thing is that not every young scratcher have the money to print out his beats on vinyl - which is what you have to do to be able to play them like an instrument. Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com Phone +46 (0)8 341181 Mobile +46 (0)70 4416713 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 13:23:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20151; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:22:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:22:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020828100944.024f0bb8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:24:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Popularity/influence/etc. In-Reply-To: <00f101c24e49$747e2b40$0affff0a@hppav> References: <20020827181438.6A3322FD28@server3.fastmail.fm> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:14 PM 8/27/2002, David wrote: >Q. Are their any hip-hop rappers on this list? probably, but impossible to know really unless they post. I frequently see people subscribe who, near as I can figure based on email address, appear to be coming from a hiphop background. (ie dJpHaTbEaTzz@xyz.com or whatever). They usually unsub shortly after. The dj's and producers are more likely to be here than the rappers, I would think. there are some turntablist/loopers who post sometimes. I haven't seen dylan post in a while, but I guess he's still around. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 13:26:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19868; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:19:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:19:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020828111939.00887750@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:19:39 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: No More Silliness -was- Re: Popularity/influence/etc. In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20020828000218.00ac15a0@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, you're right. We sell more mixers, turntables, and synths now and most of the interest in the Repeater I've seen aside from this list, is from people with DJ interests or background. Smiles, C At 08:57 AM 8/28/02 -0700, you wrote: >I talked a lot about this when the Repeater first came out. I think >they were on the right track by marketing it toward the DJs, but then >dropped the ball and marketed it to no one. I really think that for any >looper to survive in this climate it's GOT to be DJ oriented. My guess >is that music stores are selling a lot more DJ gear these days than >anything else. Am I right? I have no proof, I just see the DJ gear >section of most music stores getting larger and larger. > >Marklar > >On Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 11:02 PM, Goddess wrote: > >> YO YO YO!!! -it's the Goddess Girl in the house! -Party people in >> the >> place to be,- yo, yer' kickin' the game with the one and only Ms. G!!! >> lollollol! -just kidding, -couldn't resist! -because, afterall, >> RESISTANCE IS FUTILE, YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED. >> >> Smiles, >> >> CQ >> >> At 12:14 AM 8/28/02 -0400, you wrote: >>> Hip-Hop/Rap = Loops >>> Hip-Hop/Rap = CD Sales >>> Hip-Hop/Rap = Popular >>> >>> Q. Are their any hip-hop rappers on this list? >>> >>> >> >> >> --- >> >> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and >> eachother. >> -Then, anything is possible..." >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >> >> Please visit The Guitar Cafe. >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe >> >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 13:26:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20593; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:25:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:25:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:26:51 -0700 Message-ID: <3D52BC0900013229@mta08.san.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <00c201c24cb5$399a4bc0$1064f93f@global> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: RE: CHECKING IN ( SF Bay Area/South Bay, CA) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA20417 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >1)where you live Campbell, CA (silicon valley) >2)where you would like to perform (a city or a region) Anywhere in the bay area >3) whether you have the desire to perform in any other region It is desirable, but probably not possible, at this point >4) would you be willing to host a fellow looper or loopers at a local venue I would be interested in doing this in the future, given some guidance on how to set something like this up. >5) would you be willing to put a performer up at your home during the >length of their stay (not to exceed 3 months........no, just joking) Yes, with enough warning ahead of time... :) peace -cpr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 13:30:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21008; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:28:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:28:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020828115646.025e77a0@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:24:02 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Duke Sexton Subject: Re: OT: Silliness -was- Re: Popularity/influence/etc. In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20020828000218.00ac15a0@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:57 AM 8/28/2002 -0700, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >I talked a lot about this when the Repeater first came out. I think they >were on the right track by marketing it toward the DJs, but then dropped >the ball and marketed it to no one. I really think that for any looper to >survive in this climate it's GOT to be DJ oriented. I'd agree wholeheartedly, especially since, speaking in a *very* general sense, DJ's/Producers don't seem to be as technophobic as many other types of musicians. As such, they're very much more likely to become early adopters for any new widget coming down the pike. At the very least, this represents a huge demographic that can't be ignored if a manufacturer wishes to maximize it's revenue back from a given product. As for influences, who is this market segment listening to? Well, for instance, the current "flavor of the week" seems to be the Warp artists: Aphex Twin, Squarepusher, Boards of Canada, etc. (note: we're talking about influence -- who the artists themselves are listening to, rather than who the general public deems popular). And that's not a bad thing, because anybody who's listened to those artists can tell you that there's some wicked looping/manipulation buried in their music. In general, though, the DJ crowd aren't being influenced by the old loopers or guitar heros, except perhaps for a source from which to steal samples. Thus, advertising featuring those older artists is going to have little to no impact on this segment of the market. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 13:33:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21271; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:31:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:31:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:22:41 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: CHECKING IN (Los Angeles) In-reply-to: <00c201c24cb5$399a4bc0$1064f93f@global> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200208251602.MAA17256@hemlock.violacea.com> <00c201c24cb5$399a4bc0$1064f93f@global> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >1)where you live Los Angeles, California specifically, overlooking Sherman Oaks >2) where you would like to perform (a city or a region) Anywhere in the world >3) whether you have the desire to perform in any other region Anywhere in the world >4) would you be willing to host a fellow looper or loopers at a local venue >(by producing the event yourself) if they came in from out of town to play a >show with you----- the mini-looping festival approach. Yes Our local composers group has been doing a series of programs at Rocco in Hollywood. This is a comfortable jazz club with a decent sound system and groovy management. We just did a looping program there (Andre participated). >5) would you be willing to put a performer up at your home during the >length of their stay Probably (have to check it out with my domestic partner) -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 13:46:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22639; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:45:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:45:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020828102547.02500bb8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:46:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: OT: Silliness In-Reply-To: <3D6CFD15.347FE3F2@ernieball.com> References: <200208281613.MAA12411@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <25Ycj.A.5eF.nvQb9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:40 AM 8/28/2002, Hans wrote: >Somewhere I saw a figure that turntables outsold guitars last year. >Some people around here feel that the slump in guitar sales is due to >the fact that rock isn't as hip as it was in the past, and that there >aren't really any guitar heroes rockin' the charts. I don't have the namm numbers for 2001, but in 2000 they noted that dj gear "has gone from a curiosity to a rapidly growing phenomenon to a sizable mainstream category in the industry." as they note, their dj sales data doesn't capture the whole market since they split things like power amps, speakers, sequencers, drum machines, etc into other categories. so it is mainly dj mixers, turntables, and dj cd players that they track. US numbers for 2000 are: dj market: 131.5M electric guitars: 490M acoustic guitars: 440M electric guitars had been in a steady decline since the mid-90's, but spiked up again in 2000. dj gear has been on an exponential growth rate in the same period, starting to level out as that market matures. I don't have data for last year yet, but I doubt they crossed over each other. I don't have data for the rest of the world, just the US. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 13:58:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23477; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:57:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:57:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D6D0E95.F1B7934B@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:55:33 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CHECKING IN ( SF Bay Area/East Bay, CA) References: <3D52BC0900013229@mta08.san.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >1)where you live > Alameda, CA > > >2)where you would like to perform (a city or a region) > Anywhere in the bay area > > >3) whether you have the desire to perform in any other region > No > > >4) would you be willing to host a fellow looper or loopers at a local > venue Yes, though I must admit I've never tried to organize anything like this before. >5) would you be willing to put a performer up at your home during the > >length of their stay No From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 14:15:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26048; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:14:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:14:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:12:35 +0200 Subject: Delay Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3D6D0E95.F1B7934B@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I'm looking for a Midi synced Delay unit, preferably stereo, that will allow about 30 seconds of delay time. Any suggestions? The reason why I am asking is that I have been experimenting with the DL4 layering up Celtic reels, jigs and rounds - first playing the solo, then the bass, then the percussion (hitting the violin in various ways), then finally pizzicato. It got me thinking, I've managed to be able to freely improvise jigs like these on the spur of the moment, due to the hours playing on the street, and want to progress this idea further. Having a Midi'd loop sampler (repeater) keeping a basic beat, then using the delay set to the bared length of a single A and single B part jig on a 4x 100% feedback loop...whilst being synchronised to the looper... I could evolve the piece and extend it in ways I could never imagine. Just think having to switch from violin, bass, drums, guitar then back again on a long looped cycle..... Its still looping, but not permalooping. If you understand my ramblings and have any suggestions for a prefarably cheap unit, then I'd be extremely grateful :) -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 14:24:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26746; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:22:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:22:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D6D1492.281BB46E@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:21:10 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Re: SV: Popularity/influence/etc. References: <001301c24eb6$65ee36c0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pioneer makes a really cool CD player that, IMO (not being a vinyl guy at all) does a great job of emulating vinyl. Even if it falls short of the real deal, I'd imagine the ease of being able to burn CDs with your own material on them and then scratch it like a record would be very useful to the DJ community. Problem is, they're around a $1000 US for a single player. http://shop.store.yahoo.com/entsyscorp/pioncdprodjc.html Marklar Per Boysen wrote: > > But of course there are lousy rappers and scratches. But haven't we seen > way too many lousy guitarists for some time? Another thing is that not > every young scratcher have the money to print out his beats on vinyl - > which is what you have to do to be able to play them like an instrument. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 14:31:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27368; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:30:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:30:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020828122503.02639ec0@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:25:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Catilyne Subject: Re: Popularity/influence/etc. In-Reply-To: References: <20020827181438.6A3322FD28@server3.fastmail.fm> <00f101c24e49$747e2b40$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:45 AM 8/28/2002 -0700, Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: >Hip-hop/Rap = sampling and presequencing, rather than loop performance >Hip-hop/Rap = everything done in the studio >Hip-hop/Rap = amazingly lackluster live shows for audiences who've never >seen better I'd also disagree, even though I'll readily admit I hate most Rap/Hip-hop (that's merely my own personal taste, however, and not a blanket judgment of the musical form). As to the first criticism, there's nothing wrong with sampling and presequencing, if done properly, as it can provide a structure within which to work and improvise. As for loop performance, I believe that Per already brought up that one is just as able to "loop" using vinyl as an EDP. The second criticism, if I'm reading it correctly, implies that there is no spontaneity in this type of music, which is just not true. Even moreso than most other popular music, Rap and Hip-hop are vocally centered and not primarily instrumental musics. In performance, there can be a huge amount of spontaneity and improvisation from the lead rapper(s). The instruments primarily exist to serve as a backdrop for the vocals, however. That doesn't necessarily mean that "everything is done in the studio". Finally, the last criticism is the one I find most contentious, but since my background is more in electronica let me give you an example based in that experience (I think it applies equally to some of the better Hip-hop shows I've seen). I've gone to a lot of different techno concerts, one of which was a Crystal Method show I attended a while back. This show happened to be particularly good, and within the first ten minutes everybody in the club was bouncing off the walls -- literally, it was nearly impossible to keep from merging into the mass of dancing bodies. The important thing was not how much was sequenced/pre-prepared (a large chunk of it was) or how much was re-arranged/improvised (an equally large chunk was, as well), but rather that the guys up on stage could have utterly disappeared and it wouldn't have mattered. What am I talking about? Well, what really mattered was that the musicians had constructed an environment where the audience could become completely lost in the experience, then, for all intents and purposes, the two guys onstage became utterly irrelevant and vanished. The concert became a tribal experience with all members of the audience actively participating, rather than some sort of spectator event with all attendant merely gawking at the stage. The performers were merely facilitators. The point is that not every show has to be centered around the self-aggrandization of the musician's ego, as the majority of "rock concerts" seem to be. Rather, the performance can be an event where the artist strives to make himself invisible so that the audience can lose themselves in the group experience. This type of concert lends itself poorly to recording and documentation, however, and if it is viewed from the outside rather than as an active participant, it's extremely easy to judge such an event as 'lackluster'. Finally, I do have to add that there are crappy artists out there performing crappy concerts. But the same can be said of every other musical genre out there. YMMV, all standard disclaimers apply, caveat emptor, post no bills... -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 14:39:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28081; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:37:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:37:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:35:55 -0700 Subject: Re: Delay Question From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4aoSa.A.7yG.mgRb9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/28/02 11:12 AM, Stuart Wyatt at stuart@solostring.com wrote: > I'm looking for a Midi synced Delay unit, preferably stereo, that will > allow about 30 seconds of delay time. Any suggestions? 2 EDPs. Given that it does MIDI sync the delays and has a loop time of something like a minute, the Echo Pro ought to be able to do it but there are a lot of things that the Echo Pro ought to be able to do and doesn't. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 14:55:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29129; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:53:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:53:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:51:22 -0800 Subject: Re: CHECKING IN ( SF Bay Area/East Bay, CA) From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D6D0E95.F1B7934B@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> 1)where you live sf.cali >> >>> 2)where you would like to perform (a city or a region) >> Anywhere in the bay area >> >>> 3) whether you have the desire to perform in any other region california-anywhere anytime and tedfest! >> >>> 4) would you be willing to host a fellow looper or loopers at a local >> venue dont have the acumen >> 5) would you be willing to put a performer up at your home during the > >>> length of their stay yeah(i mean theres a place for a sleepin bag) hopeing this leads to something... stanner From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 15:04:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31136; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:03:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:03:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c24e92$9f1b6680$07f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <130.13905014.2a9e583e@aol.com> Subject: Re: south-east looping roll call Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:58:34 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C24E9A.FFF48420" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C24E9A.FFF48420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "no but i can get there.....:).....michael" umm...ok. are you further north? -jim ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C24E9A.FFF48420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"no but i can = get=20 there.....:).....michael"
 
umm...ok.  are you further north?
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C24E9A.FFF48420-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 15:14:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32038; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:11:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:11:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:04:32 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: SV: Popularity/influence/etc. In-reply-to: <3D6D1492.281BB46E@zerocrossing.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <001301c24eb6$65ee36c0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <3D6D1492.281BB46E@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:21 AM -0700 8/28/02, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: >Pioneer makes a really cool CD player that, IMO (not being a vinyl guy at >all) does a great job of emulating vinyl. I spent some time with a pair of these and was impressed. There is also a trend toward using vinyl records and turntables to control digital playback systems. These systems require a special time code LP and a computer interface. Stanton Final Scratch http://www.finalscratch.com/fs2/start.asp http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM02/Content/Stanton/PR/Final-Scratch.html Scott Wardle (aka Ms. Pinky) has independently developed a similar system. I've seen him perform with it twice, and he has expressed interest in having others use the system. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 15:27:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00532; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:25:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:25:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: From: "p koniuto" Subject: Re: SV: Popularity/influence/etc. Message-Id: <280802240.45046@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: 28 Aug 2002 12:30:46 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: Richard Zvonar >At 11:21 AM -0700 8/28/02, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: >>Pioneer makes a really cool CD player that, IMO (not being a vinyl guy at >>all) does a great job of emulating vinyl. > >I spent some time with a pair of these and was impressed. What was impressive about your experience with them? That's a huge chunk of change, but if it's at all what i'm imagining, the possibilities for me are very enticing. -peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 15:34:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00929; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:31:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:31:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <001301c24eb6$65ee36c0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Subject: Re: Popularity/influence/etc. Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:27:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2002 19:27:54.0274 (UTC) FILETIME=[01A46820:01C24EC9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Hip-hop/Rap = sampling and presequencing, rather than loop > > performance Hip-hop/Rap = everything done in the studio > > Hip-hop/Rap = amazingly lackluster live shows for audiences > > who've never seen better > > > This is not true in every case. I was checking out a gig with Gang Starr > and the energy level and fluent improvisation skills those two guys > (with guests) had on stage was nothing but the same expression that The > Jimi Hendrix Experience and other "power trios" put out thirty years > earlier. DJ Premier played two turntables, with vinyl records, at the > same time - keeping the beat (often heavily syncopated with lots of > stops and breaks) on one while "soloing" scratch on the other. He was > backing up the rap tightly and sometimes "pushing it", but with "big > ears", while Guru to some extent made up the lyrics right there on the > fly! Nothing pre-recorded about that IMHO ;-) > > But of course there are lousy rappers and scratches. But haven't we seen > way too many lousy guitarists for some time? Another thing is that not > every young scratcher have the money to print out his beats on vinyl - > which is what you have to do to be able to play them like an instrument. > Hmm, since watching members of the invisible scratch pickles shamelessly freaking over dub plates at a club, I've become more and more skeptical of the 'turntablist' community. The Jazzmatazz/Gangstarr collective are definitely some of the more genuine hip hop acts I've seen. BTW, the beastie boys DJ has an EDP in his rig. I've seen videos of him using it extensively. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 15:53:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02452; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:51:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:51:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:49:42 +0200 Subject: Re: Delay Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4B6B0126-BABF-11D6-AE49-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, August 28, 2002, at 08:35 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > 2 EDPs. That would be lovely :) However, there is no way that I can get $1300 at the moment :( -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 15:55:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02832; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:52:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:52:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c24ecd$7b1681d0$c2a55e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: <16e.12dc03cc.2a9e4e46@aol.com> Subject: Re: is this a known bub in repeater? Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:59:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <1CLG3.A._l.qmSb9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My Simple Tech 128MB cfc has about a minute of recording time left, so that may be a factor. ...hoping the actual musical content has nothing to do with it :-) David A. ----- Original Message ----- From: > In a message dated 8/28/2002 10:26:49 AM, DavAuk@Hevanet.com writes: > > >I have that happen..."File Error" message in the window, Copy button becomes > >useless for any of its functions. Have to reboot. Happens infrequently. > >*Have the exact conditions for this to happen been documented? Does it > >happen in all units?* > ..... while i've had this happen with slow cfc's, even my fast cfc's seem to > *slow down* when they start getting full --- as if the disk is becoming > progressively more fragmented..... > best, > dt / s-c > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 16:10:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05136; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:09:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:09:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.6; T1.001; A1.48; B2.12; Q2.03) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:07:30 UT From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Epoch: 1030565250 X-Sasl-enc: 6Uueg7sYA88fuOmA70c0MQ Subject: Re: Delay Question Message-Id: <20020828200730.1414F2FD6D@server3.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: <-wPt2D.A.oMB.J2Sb9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:12:35 +0200, "Stuart Wyatt" said: > Having a Midi'd loop sampler (repeater) keeping a basic beat, then > using > the delay set to the bared length of a single A and single B part jig > on > a 4x 100% feedback loop...whilst being synchronised to the looper... I > could evolve the piece and extend it in ways I could never imagine. > Just > think having to switch from violin, bass, drums, guitar then back again > on a long looped cycle..... Its still looping, but not permalooping. So are you basially using the delay as a second looper you can pass the original loop to while you start a new one on the Repeater, or am i nor understanding at all? Ernesto -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm/ - Consolidate POP email and Hotmail in one place From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 16:25:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06436; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:24:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:24:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [80.203.45.38] From: "mark francombe" To: References: <16e.12dc03cc.2a9e4e46@aol.com> Subject: Re: is this a known bub in repeater? Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:37:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2002 20:22:48.0973 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD6F93D0:01C24ED0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com maybe you can dump all contents to PC, reformat disk and dump back?? havent done much transfering to PC cos mostly using in built memory on R, not CFC... but glad it happens to others... must get a better card... ............................... m a r k r e d www.mark-red.com ............................... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 6:03 PM Subject: Re: is this a known bub in repeater? > > In a message dated 8/28/2002 10:26:49 AM, DavAuk@Hevanet.com writes: > > >I have that happen..."File Error" message in the window, Copy button becomes > >useless for any of its functions. Have to reboot. Happens infrequently. > >*Have the exact conditions for this to happen been documented? Does it > >happen in all units?* > ..... while i've had this happen with slow cfc's, even my fast cfc's seem to > *slow down* when they start getting full --- as if the disk is becoming > progressively more fragmented..... > best, > dt / s-c > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 16:43:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07408; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:41:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:41:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:40:43 -0400 Subject: Lo Fi Looping From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Regarding the fairly recent post concerning the ZVEX LoFi looper... It seems to me that he is certainly using the Information Storage Devices chip (also sold by Radio Shack). I remember that there was some discussion here on that chip and it's possibilities a long time back. Has anyone had some experience utilizing that technology? I'm considering developing a bank of such simple loopers. The spec sheets are probably enough, but if anybody has done it, it might save some grief, and if I do this thing I'll be happy to post results/schematics, etc. I mean, the chip is like 10 bucks--loop for less if you can! Many thanks, David Lee Myers http://www.pulsewidth.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 16:52:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08591; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:51:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:51:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008c01c24ed4$60d3ed10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Lo Fi Looping Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:49:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Has anyone had some experience utilizing that technology? I'm considering > developing a bank of such simple loopers. The spec sheets are probably > enough, but if anybody has done it, it might save some grief, and if I do > this thing I'll be happy to post results/schematics, etc. I mean, the chip > is like 10 bucks--loop for less if you can! Best of luck, David. I really like the idea of a mess of simple loopers. I've often thought it would be really cool if the LD website had a DIY looper project page. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 16:57:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09513; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:56:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:56:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:55:24 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Delay Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <079a01c24ed5$3b5cc010$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <4B6B0126-BABF-11D6-AE49-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com also, the edp doesn't have a repeat-n-times mode. that would be nice, though... > > On Wednesday, August 28, 2002, at 08:35 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > > > 2 EDPs. > > That would be lovely :) However, there is no way that I can get $1300 at > the moment :( > -- > Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project > http://www.solostring.com > stuart@solostring.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 16:57:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09501; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:56:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:56:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.74.110.47] From: "Nick Schillace" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: sampler basics Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:54:47 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2002 20:54:48.0951 (UTC) FILETIME=[25D4F870:01C24ED5] Resent-Message-ID: <2JVGQD.A.8NC.3iTb9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was hoping someone might have some easy answers to what is likely a rudimentary sampler question: I play in a duo with someone who uses two CDs to shuffle between found sounds and other audio snippets in a relatively cohesive manner (in a predetermined order). This works well, but he has trouble reading his sample lists on stage, and he frequently goes back and forth between bites and varies the order from show to show, which means he is always making different bathces of sample CDs. He supplements with a Nuemark mixer that has some sampling capabilities. What he wants is a unit that will store his samples, preferably with text listing in the LCD window, the ability to do both single shot and looped samples, BPM syncing via midi, and real time pitch shifting. I would add to that removable media of some kind. I originally thought a Repeater would be the thing for him, but I am not so sure now. Neither of us have much experience with hardware samplers, and we are also considering using Unity with a G3 powerbook. Does anyone have any advice? Thanks. Nick Schillace In Door Park _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 17:14:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12154; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:13:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:13:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:12:59 -0400 Subject: Re: Lo Fi Looping From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008c01c24ed4$60d3ed10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/28/02 4:49 PM, Dennis Leas at dennis@mail.worldserver.com wrote: >> Has anyone had some experience utilizing that technology? I'm considering >> developing a bank of such simple loopers. The spec sheets are probably >> enough, but if anybody has done it, it might save some grief, and if I do >> this thing I'll be happy to post results/schematics, etc. I mean, the > chip >> is like 10 bucks--loop for less if you can! > > Best of luck, David. I really like the idea of a mess of simple loopers. > I've often thought it would be really cool if the LD website had a DIY > looper project page. > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > Well, this thing would be Lo Fi indeed--stated bandwidth being 2.6 kHz!--but the owners of the ZVEX unit seem happy, and I certainly agree that a DIY looper page would be in order. I'm thinking 8 loopers in a small box w/ tiny basic mixer. My real ambition of the moment is to achieve a setup that would be about an 8 inch cube, or maybe 9 X 12 X 2. Will post if something happens. David Lee Myers http://www.pulsewidth.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 17:18:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12722; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:16:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:16:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:14:32 +0200 Subject: Re: Lo Fi Looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <25845614-BACB-11D6-AE49-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey David, It sounds like an amazing idea. Whilst I'm not an expert on electronics, I did study it when I was at school... ah, and I'd love an excuse to get some breadboards :) If you need anyone to beta-test via the web, I'm sure that I could follow your instructions and copy what you make. Also, Dennis' idea of a Loopers projects page would be a great idea.... 10$ per loop.... hhhmmmm :) Imagine the possibilities... Maybe this is a way to get more people into mainstream looping. This reminds me of the time when computers first entered the home market - often in kit form. Damn, I'm getting excited..... :) On Wednesday, August 28, 2002, at 10:40 PM, David Myers wrote: > Regarding the fairly recent post concerning the ZVEX LoFi looper... > > It seems to me that he is certainly using the Information Storage > Devices > chip (also sold by Radio Shack). I remember that there was some > discussion > here on that chip and it's possibilities a long time back. > > Has anyone had some experience utilizing that technology? I'm > considering > developing a bank of such simple loopers. The spec sheets are probably > enough, but if anybody has done it, it might save some grief, and if I > do > this thing I'll be happy to post results/schematics, etc. I mean, the > chip > is like 10 bucks--loop for less if you can! > > Many thanks, > > David Lee Myers > http://www.pulsewidth.com > > > -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 17:30:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13908; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:29:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:29:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <001301c24eb6$65ee36c0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> <3D6D1492.281BB46E@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: SV: Popularity/influence/etc. Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:27:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2002 21:27:23.0851 (UTC) FILETIME=[B30B09B0:01C24ED9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There are about three of these out there, several in the $400 range. I'm sorely tempted.... but I've sworn off gear till the albums finished :> No, really! bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 17:34:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14188; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:32:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:32:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009f01c24eda$48bb32a0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: sampler basics Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:31:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > What he wants is a unit that will store his samples, preferably with text > listing in the LCD window, the ability to do both single shot and looped > samples, BPM syncing via midi, and real time pitch shifting. I would add to > that removable media of some kind. If he already has the samples/audio on CD, it seems some kind of CD player with above average intelligence would work well. For example, some kind of laptop with a CD drive would take care of the hardware. I don't know what Unity's capabilites are, but some kind of software package should be able to supply the intelligence. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 17:46:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15078; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:44:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:44:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D6D4443.397DBD0@cloud9.net> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:44:35 -0400 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: action plan References: <200208280615.CAA26956@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How about "round and round and round she goes ..." on those shirts? :) Elby > > Subject: Re: action plan > Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 23:32:50 -0600 > From: Goddess > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > MY GOD! Girlfriend, WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?!!! It's great to see ya > again! lol! Jeez, -guess I should have actually followed this > thread. It > turns out I've been deleting really funny stuff! Go figure. -I would > have > certainly commented! lol! > *laughing* -Like I said, sex sells! We should definitely come up > with > our own shirt. Besides, the First Women's Looping Festival is > comming up > in Oct. -we've got to have some sort of catchy deal! lol! -Love > the > Looping or Bust idea! woohoo! -with the attention my chest gets, > we'd be > sure to sell loopers and loopy types! lollollol! Catch ya later > gator! > > Smiles, > > CQ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 17:56:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15827; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:54:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:54:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D6D45B2.338285F@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:50:43 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Delay Question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Huh, I'm not sure what your rig is like, but why not use one stereo pair of the repeater for your "basic beat" then put the second stereo pair into record with a feedback of your choice. This can change all the time depending on how fast you want the second part to evolve. For bonus, I use a Lexicon MPX1's delay to grab a set chunk (anywhere from a 1/16 to an 1/8) of my loop and repeat it at will. This can be really cool. Kind of Andre LaFosse like, if I hit the sample (a/b) button at a kind of random point. I'm not sure how long it will stay synched, but it seems to go a long time. (btw, I'm not using clock from the Repeater to do this, as it doesn't work) If this doesn't work, I think the Echoplex in delay mode may be your only choice. I've had luck with synching an EDP to it. Be prepared to pay $1300 if you want it in stereo. Other delays seem to hate the Repeater's clock, including ones made by Electrix. Marklar Stuart Wyatt wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm looking for a Midi synced Delay unit, preferably stereo, that will > allow about 30 seconds of delay time. Any suggestions? > > The reason why I am asking is that I have been experimenting with the > DL4 layering up Celtic reels, jigs and rounds - first playing the solo, > then the bass, then the percussion (hitting the violin in various ways), > then finally pizzicato. It got me thinking, I've managed to be able to > freely improvise jigs like these on the spur of the moment, due to the > hours playing on the street, and want to progress this idea further. > > Having a Midi'd loop sampler (repeater) keeping a basic beat, then using > the delay set to the bared length of a single A and single B part jig on > a 4x 100% feedback loop...whilst being synchronised to the looper... I > could evolve the piece and extend it in ways I could never imagine. Just > think having to switch from violin, bass, drums, guitar then back again > on a long looped cycle..... Its still looping, but not permalooping. > > If you understand my ramblings and have any suggestions for a prefarably > cheap unit, then I'd be extremely grateful :) > > -- > Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project > http://www.solostring.com > stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 18:03:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17845; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:03:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:03:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D6D4841.E13422C0@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:01:37 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: vinyl emulator References: <280802240.45046@webbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It *really* felt like vinyl to me. The sound. They must be doing something other than just scrolling like a jog shuttle through the file. The heavy feeling of the platter. They modeled the inertia really nicely, and even let you set the power of your "motor" so you can control your spin up time. From long to instant. Check them out, trust me. You can find them at any Guitar Center, but they're probably at any pro audo/DJ supply place. Marklar p koniuto wrote: > >From: Richard Zvonar > > >At 11:21 AM -0700 8/28/02, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > >>Pioneer makes a really cool CD player that, IMO (not being > a vinyl guy at > >>all) does a great job of emulating vinyl. > > > >I spent some time with a pair of these and was impressed. > > What was impressive about your experience with them? > > That's a huge chunk of change, but if it's at all > what i'm imagining, the possibilities for me are > very enticing. > > -peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 18:06:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18330; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:05:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:05:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020828220351.31804.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:03:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Lo Fi Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <008c01c24ed4$60d3ed10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm also very interested, but haven't done any work on it myself. Greg --- Dennis Leas wrote: > > Has anyone had some experience utilizing that technology? I'm > considering > > developing a bank of such simple loopers. The spec sheets are > probably > > enough, but if anybody has done it, it might save some grief, and > if I do > > this thing I'll be happy to post results/schematics, etc. I mean, > the > chip > > is like 10 bucks--loop for less if you can! > > Best of luck, David. I really like the idea of a mess of simple > loopers. > I've often thought it would be really cool if the LD website had a > DIY > looper project page. > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 18:06:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18367; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:05:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:05:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D6D48DE.D4B53F8@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:04:14 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: is this a known bub in repeater? References: <16e.12dc03cc.2a9e4e46@aol.com> <002101c24ecd$7b1681d0$c2a55e82@audiows> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This could be your issue. To defragment the memory, you might try transfering all the files on the card to your computer, reformatting the card (with the Repeater) then putting the files back on. I've never tried this, but I'd imagine it would work. Has any one done this? David Auker wrote: > My Simple Tech 128MB cfc has about a minute of recording time left, so that > may be a factor. > > ...hoping the actual musical content has nothing to do with it :-) > > David A. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > In a message dated 8/28/2002 10:26:49 AM, DavAuk@Hevanet.com writes: > > > > >I have that happen..."File Error" message in the window, Copy button > becomes > > >useless for any of its functions. Have to reboot. Happens infrequently. > > >*Have the exact conditions for this to happen been documented? Does it > > >happen in all units?* > > ..... while i've had this happen with slow cfc's, even my fast cfc's seem > to > > *slow down* when they start getting full --- as if the disk is becoming > > progressively more fragmented..... > > best, > > dt / s-c > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 18:10:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18963; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:10:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:10:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020828203855.21046.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:38:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Synths considered harmful (was Re: Using the Wind Synth tocontrol the Repeater) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5E83018C-BA9D-11D6-B07F-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I think what it boils down to is this: Looping doesn't seem > interesting to most musicians when explained or experienced. > You've really just got to do it to love it. I could be wrong. I think this is true. This is why the addition of simple loop functionality into devices like the DL4 will probably help the cause. You buy it 'cause it's a great delay...you wind up loving looping and may eventually want a more advanced tool for that. I think there's a slant on this which many musicians may not have considered. I've encountered a huge number of musicians who are disgusted with the "band scene", but still love making music. The late hours, scheduling hassles, politics and personality conflicts, and all that wear a lot of people out. A lot of them turn to home recording, but that restricts your ability to improvise over a changing background, and doesn't usually allow you to play out (unless you play to backing tracks, which both restricts you to set arrangements and generally relegates you to "cheezy" status). A looper is a tool which enables you to extend yourself to fill more of the sonic palette, to improvise without a band. I think that's a market that should be ripe. I know this is a motivation for me. My schedule doesn't allow for much "band work", and frankly, I'm sick of the endless unproductive rehearsals to earn that one scanty gig somewhere...before the whole project fizzles when the vocalist or drummer or whatever quits. Then the endless auditions and rehearsals start all over again. My playing style isn't one that really works for solo performances. Perhaps that reflects on my poor musicianship, which I'm trying to improve, but in the mean time I either have to play with a group or...I can play along with myself using a looper. This allows me to do musically satisfying work 1) when I want, 2) without depending on others. I think this would appeal to many "cottage musicians" (someone described this before as "dentist musicians" when talking about who can afford expensive guitars). It's a good market, one which I haven't seen any marketing done to for loopers. There's considerable marketing done this direction for home studio equipment, perhaps this is something that would help? The idea that this is something that only "stage musicians" might use probably holds people back. If they see the possibilities for what you can do with one of these tools as part of your own music done for personal satisfaction, I think they might sell better. But I think the bottom line is that most musicians just don't understand the possibilities. I wanted a Jamman a few years back, but didn't really understand that it did more then a delay with an "infinite hold" button like my old RDS3600. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 18:21:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20012; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:20:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:20:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 00:18:49 +0200 Subject: Re: Delay Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3D6D45B2.338285F@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: <20948A84-BAD4-11D6-AE49-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the idea with the Repeater... I'll give that a go. Although its not what I was originally looking for, it opens up other possibilities :) Using feedback would reduce the strength of the loop after each cycle... in fact thinking about it, I have just realised that what I am asking for probably does not exist... On Wednesday, August 28, 2002, at 11:50 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > Huh, I'm not sure what your rig is like, but why not use one stereo > pair of > the repeater for your "basic beat" then put the second stereo pair into > record with a feedback of your choice. This can change all the time > depending on how fast you want the second part to evolve. > > For bonus, I use a Lexicon MPX1's delay to grab a set chunk (anywhere > from > a 1/16 to an 1/8) of my loop and repeat it at will. This can be really > cool. Kind of Andre LaFosse like, if I hit the sample (a/b) button at a > kind of random point. I'm not sure how long it will stay synched, but > it > seems to go a long time. (btw, I'm not using clock from the Repeater to > do > this, as it doesn't work) > > If this doesn't work, I think the Echoplex in delay mode may be your > only > choice. I've had luck with synching an EDP to it. Be prepared to pay > $1300 if you want it in stereo. Other delays seem to hate the > Repeater's > clock, including ones made by Electrix. > > Marklar > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 19:01:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23733; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 19:00:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 19:00:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.213.101.18] From: "Dan Jones" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lo Fi Looping Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:59:11 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2002 22:59:11.0652 (UTC) FILETIME=[85F2C640:01C24EE6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd also be interested in knowing more bout this. I use the ZVex looper a lot for guitar and baritone loops, its not the most flexible device in the world, but it SOUNDS really distinctive. I think these chips are also used in those cheep digital voice recorders you can get in radioshack. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 20:05:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28449; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:03:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:03:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <25845614-BACB-11D6-AE49-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Subject: Re: Lo Fi Looping Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:02:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2002 00:01:21.0543 (UTC) FILETIME=[3522F970:01C24EEF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've used the ISD chip before and indeed the bandwidth is low. Its designed for telephone answering machines I believe and the bandwidth is even lower than a telephone, also I think 8KHz is the max sample rate. The chips I tried out are pretty cheap: ISD1420PISD1420P Voice Record and Playback IC (20sec) $3.20 ISD2560PISD2560P Voice Record and Playback IC (60sec) $9.95 If I remember right, they will store a large possible number of samples even on power down, and they can store many samples with very negligable seek times. There's a loop playback option (don't know about glitches at the loop point though ;), or a loop "queueing" option that will play consecutive samples. A pin goes low when the sample is finished playing so with some simple logic it could be used to start from the beginning again for consecutive sample playing. There is even an input that has a built in compressor and a mic pre, you can set the attack and release times with resistors (potentiometers if you want). You can chain multiple chips for longer record/playback times too. The big drawback as I see it is that there is no provision for overdub or feedback, but you could get this with a two chip design if you were clever. The lo-fi isn't really what I'm going for so I didn't really persue it more, but the chip has the right features for a simple cheap looper! I would be happy to hear more about your project, even off-list if you want. I'm betting you're going to want a simple micro on-board to do the control tasks and user interface, but then again maybe not. Good luck! Jon http://www.winbond-usa.com/products/isd_products/chipcorder/portfolio/ http://www.winbond-usa.com/products/isd_products/chipcorder/datasheets/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 20:31:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30173; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:29:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:29:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3D6D48DE.D4B53F8@zerocrossing.net> References: <16e.12dc03cc.2a9e4e46@aol.com> <002101c24ecd$7b1681d0$c2a55e82@audiows> <3D6D48DE.D4B53F8@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:27:15 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: is this a known bub in repeater? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >This could be your issue. To defragment the memory, you might try transfering >all the files on the card to your computer, reformatting the card (with the >Repeater) then putting the files back on. I've never tried this, but I'd >imagine it would work. Has any one done this? defragmentation is definitely an issue for CompactFlash. There is basically a DOS filesystem on these little cards and if you remember from DOS the access gets slower the more times you change things and change the File Allocation Tables. If the FAT gets too fat then it might even spread over several 'sectors' and you'd have to read the disk twice just to discover where the next part of the file is... /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 20:38:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30667; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:37:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:37:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004601c24ef4$00b45440$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <16e.12dc03cc.2a9e4e46@aol.com> <002101c24ecd$7b1681d0$c2a55e82@audiows> <3D6D48DE.D4B53F8@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: is this a known bub in repeater? Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:35:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You could probably just plug it into the pc and defrag directly and plug it back into the Rptr, no? Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 5:27 PM Subject: Re: is this a known bub in repeater? > >This could be your issue. To defragment the memory, you might try transfering > >all the files on the card to your computer, reformatting the card (with the > >Repeater) then putting the files back on. I've never tried this, but I'd > >imagine it would work. Has any one done this? > > defragmentation is definitely an issue for CompactFlash. There is basically > a DOS filesystem on these little cards and if you remember from DOS the > access gets slower the more times you change things and change the > File Allocation Tables. If the FAT gets too fat then it might even spread > over several 'sectors' and you'd have to read the disk twice just to > discover where the next part of the file is... > > /t > -- > > http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! > http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 20:43:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31065; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:43:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:43:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008101c24ef5$51fbb680$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <1a8.77a7435.2a9d7b47@aol.com> Subject: Re: Pattern Sequencers Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 19:45:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >I've never done it, but my MC-307 would probably work well if you just > >turned > >down the click track. > huh? dude: > you haven't sequenced a repeater loop/loops w/a 'pattern sequencer' (drum > machine, etc), yet? i'm (technologically) shocked! > *-) > anyways..... it's quite a bit of fun-ctional. certainly, one of my first (and > abiding) uses of the repeater. > best, > dt / s-c David, Is this how you accomplished the quickly repeating rhythmicly precise stutters at the beginning of 'Sunday' on 'Heathen'? Actually, as you know!, those stutters continue throughout the tune, and are delicate and beautiful. I likes it. Just thought I'd ask. Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 20:49:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31478; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:48:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:48:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: No Synths Involved--Unless You Include Processing Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:44:56 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <000a01c24eaa$907fd9e0$c2d6f343@gary> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The more I think about it, modern processing of audio is synthesis of a > sort. Isn't it? > Gary Another semantic thread. I think in the vernacular, synthesis would be considered 'instruments that provide their own (synthetic) oscillator or wave source'. In the case of a guitar, drum, pot, pan or other 'real' instrument the sound source is provided by the player's own body interacting with a physical artifact (in "meatspace"), and thus would not be considered synthesis, but processed audio. this said in the spirit of Kim's comment a month or two ago about upholding the distinctions of words, a notion which I support. Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 20:58:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32308; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:57:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:57:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D6D7109.28354ED2@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:55:38 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Why Greg and I loop (was Re: Synths considered harmful) References: <20020828203855.21046.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com *EXACTLY* This decribes me perfectly. Used to loop with a RDS8000 with a band a little. Drummer quit to join a pop/country band. Bought a sequencer a month later. Bought a JamMan a few weeks after that. I've never been happier or more productive musically. Marklar Greg House wrote: > > I think what it boils down to is this: Looping doesn't seem > > interesting to most musicians when explained or experienced. > > You've really just got to do it to love it. I could be wrong. > > I think this is true. This is why the addition of simple loop > functionality into devices like the DL4 will probably help the cause. > You buy it 'cause it's a great delay...you wind up loving looping and > may eventually want a more advanced tool for that. > > I think there's a slant on this which many musicians may not have > considered. I've encountered a huge number of musicians who are > disgusted with the "band scene", but still love making music. The late > hours, scheduling hassles, politics and personality conflicts, and all > that wear a lot of people out. A lot of them turn to home recording, > but that restricts your ability to improvise over a changing > background, and doesn't usually allow you to play out (unless you play > to backing tracks, which both restricts you to set arrangements and > generally relegates you to "cheezy" status). A looper is a tool which > enables you to extend yourself to fill more of the sonic palette, to > improvise without a band. I think that's a market that should be ripe. > > I know this is a motivation for me. My schedule doesn't allow for much > "band work", and frankly, I'm sick of the endless unproductive > rehearsals to earn that one scanty gig somewhere...before the whole > project fizzles when the vocalist or drummer or whatever quits. Then > the endless auditions and rehearsals start all over again. My playing > style isn't one that really works for solo performances. Perhaps that > reflects on my poor musicianship, which I'm trying to improve, but in > the mean time I either have to play with a group or...I can play along > with myself using a looper. This allows me to do musically satisfying > work 1) when I want, 2) without depending on others. I think this would > appeal to many "cottage musicians" (someone described this before as > "dentist musicians" when talking about who can afford expensive > guitars). It's a good market, one which I haven't seen any marketing > done to for loopers. There's considerable marketing done this > direction for home studio equipment, perhaps this is something that > would help? > > The idea that this is something that only "stage musicians" might use > probably holds people back. If they see the possibilities for what you > can do with one of these tools as part of your own music done for > personal satisfaction, I think they might sell better. But I think the > bottom line is that most musicians just don't understand the > possibilities. I wanted a Jamman a few years back, but didn't really > understand that it did more then a delay with an "infinite hold" button > like my old RDS3600. > > Greg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 21:06:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02081; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:05:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:05:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D6D72F5.846A5C23@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:03:50 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: is this a known bub in repeater? References: <16e.12dc03cc.2a9e4e46@aol.com> <002101c24ecd$7b1681d0$c2a55e82@audiows> <3D6D48DE.D4B53F8@zerocrossing.net> <004601c24ef4$00b45440$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good question. Is it just a DOS file system? If so, you can. I wasn't sure. Have others deleated files from their card and replaced them? Clifford Novey wrote: > You could probably just plug it into the pc and defrag directly and plug it > back into the Rptr, no? > > Cliff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Ritchford" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 5:27 PM > Subject: Re: is this a known bub in repeater? > > > >This could be your issue. To defragment the memory, you might try > transfering > > >all the files on the card to your computer, reformatting the card (with > the > > >Repeater) then putting the files back on. I've never tried this, but I'd > > >imagine it would work. Has any one done this? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 21:07:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02246; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:06:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:06:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D6D7325.9D374559@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:04:38 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Delay Question References: <20948A84-BAD4-11D6-AE49-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2IWMNC.A.Qc.rMXb9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't you hate when that happens? Actually, I'm still not sure I understand what you're trying to do. Marklar Stuart Wyatt wrote: > Thanks for the idea with the Repeater... I'll give that a go. Although > its not what I was originally looking for, it opens up other > possibilities :) Using feedback would reduce the strength of the loop > after each cycle... in fact thinking about it, I have just realised > that what I am asking for probably does not exist... > > On Wednesday, August 28, 2002, at 11:50 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > > > Huh, I'm not sure what your rig is like, but why not use one stereo > > pair of > > the repeater for your "basic beat" then put the second stereo pair into > > record with a feedback of your choice. This can change all the time > > depending on how fast you want the second part to evolve. > > > > For bonus, I use a Lexicon MPX1's delay to grab a set chunk (anywhere > > from > > a 1/16 to an 1/8) of my loop and repeat it at will. This can be really > > cool. Kind of Andre LaFosse like, if I hit the sample (a/b) button at a > > kind of random point. I'm not sure how long it will stay synched, but > > it > > seems to go a long time. (btw, I'm not using clock from the Repeater to > > do > > this, as it doesn't work) > > > > If this doesn't work, I think the Echoplex in delay mode may be your > > only > > choice. I've had luck with synching an EDP to it. Be prepared to pay > > $1300 if you want it in stereo. Other delays seem to hate the > > Repeater's > > clock, including ones made by Electrix. > > > > Marklar > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 21:25:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03224; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:23:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:23:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c24efa$8edc7bc0$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <16e.12dc03cc.2a9e4e46@aol.com> <002101c24ecd$7b1681d0$c2a55e82@audiows> <3D6D48DE.D4B53F8@zerocrossing.net> <004601c24ef4$00b45440$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> <3D6D72F5.846A5C23@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: is this a known bub in repeater? Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:20:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ya Tom said it is just DOS format- and yes- I have swapped loops on the card from the PC like just 1 folder "Loop12" etc- every so often I back up the whole card to cd just to be safe. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 6:03 PM Subject: Re: is this a known bub in repeater? > Good question. Is it just a DOS file system? If so, you can. I wasn't sure. > Have others deleated files from their card and replaced them? > > Clifford Novey wrote: > > > You could probably just plug it into the pc and defrag directly and plug it > > back into the Rptr, no? > > > > Cliff > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tom Ritchford" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 5:27 PM > > Subject: Re: is this a known bub in repeater? > > > > > >This could be your issue. To defragment the memory, you might try > > transfering > > > >all the files on the card to your computer, reformatting the card (with > > the > > > >Repeater) then putting the files back on. I've never tried this, but I'd > > > >imagine it would work. Has any one done this? > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 21:31:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03793; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:30:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:30:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D6D78F5.E3270485@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:29:27 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: No Synths Involved--Unless You Include Processing References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3IPwWD.A.q4.7jXb9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree, though they're using the term Grandular synthesis a lot these days (OK, well maybe not a lot) and I think it's a missleading term. Audio Grandulation sure, but synthesis? Marklar Neil Goldstein wrote: > > The more I think about it, modern processing of audio is synthesis of a > > sort. Isn't it? > > Gary > > Another semantic thread. I think in the vernacular, synthesis would be > considered 'instruments that provide their own (synthetic) oscillator or > wave source'. In the case of a guitar, drum, pot, pan or other 'real' > instrument the sound source is provided by the player's own body interacting > with a physical artifact (in "meatspace"), and thus would not be considered > synthesis, but processed audio. this said in the spirit of Kim's comment a > month or two ago about upholding the distinctions of words, a notion which I > support. > > Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 21:34:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04206; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:33:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:33:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004601c24ef4$00b45440$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> References: <16e.12dc03cc.2a9e4e46@aol.com> <002101c24ecd$7b1681d0$c2a55e82@audiows> <3D6D48DE.D4B53F8@zerocrossing.net> <004601c24ef4$00b45440$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:32:01 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: is this a known bub in repeater? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >You could probably just plug it into the pc and defrag directly and plug it >back into the Rptr, no? much better just to upload the whole thing to the computer and reformat the disk and reload the samples... /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 21:40:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04845; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:38:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:38:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c24efc$a85baa60$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <16e.12dc03cc.2a9e4e46@aol.com> <002101c24ecd$7b1681d0$c2a55e82@audiows> <3D6D48DE.D4B53F8@zerocrossing.net> <004601c24ef4$00b45440$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> Subject: Re: is this a known bub in repeater? Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:37:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why? c > much better just to upload the whole thing to the computer > and reformat the disk and reload the samples... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 21:51:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05690; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:50:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:50:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020828183837.022e1c60@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: The Truth is Out There Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:46:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: is this a known bub in repeater? In-Reply-To: References: <004601c24ef4$00b45440$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> <16e.12dc03cc.2a9e4e46@aol.com> <002101c24ecd$7b1681d0$c2a55e82@audiows> <3D6D48DE.D4B53F8@zerocrossing.net> <004601c24ef4$00b45440$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If the CFC was close to being full, wouldn't writing the same files back to the CFC cause defragmentation? You're assuming the writes will happen contiguously (not just unfragmented but also nice and neat with no gaps between each file)? It seems that if there are gaps between earlier files written, then the last files to be written will have to be fragmented. At 09:32 PM 2002/08/28 -0400, Tom Ritchford wrote: >>You could probably just plug it into the pc and defrag directly and plug it >>back into the Rptr, no? > >much better just to upload the whole thing to the computer >and reformat the disk and reload the samples... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 21:57:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06136; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:56:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:56:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004901c24eff$1ba7bd40$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <004601c24ef4$00b45440$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> <16e.12dc03cc.2a9e4e46@aol.com> <002101c24ecd$7b1681d0$c2a55e82@audiows> <3D6D48DE.D4B53F8@zerocrossing.net> <004601c24ef4$00b45440$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20020828183837.022e1c60@mail.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: is this a known bub in repeater? Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:55:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Huh? If you clear the card- when you re-write it will actually write contiguously within the params of the FAT system cluster size- the only way it would write fragmented is if there were fragmented files remaining on the card- at least I think that's how it would work- I could try it sometime and view the results in Norton Utilities- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Echevarria" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 6:46 PM Subject: Re: is this a known bub in repeater? > If the CFC was close to being full, wouldn't writing the same files back to the CFC cause defragmentation? You're assuming the writes will happen contiguously (not just unfragmented but also nice and neat with no gaps between each file)? It seems that if there are gaps between earlier files written, then the last files to be written will have to be fragmented. > > > At 09:32 PM 2002/08/28 -0400, Tom Ritchford wrote: > >>You could probably just plug it into the pc and defrag directly and plug it > >>back into the Rptr, no? > > > >much better just to upload the whole thing to the computer > >and reformat the disk and reload the samples... > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 22:03:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07743; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:01:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:01:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000f01c24efc$a85baa60$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> References: <16e.12dc03cc.2a9e4e46@aol.com> <002101c24ecd$7b1681d0$c2a55e82@audiows> <3D6D48DE.D4B53F8@zerocrossing.net> <004601c24ef4$00b45440$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> <000f01c24efc$a85baa60$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:59:06 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: is this a known bub in repeater? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:37 PM -0700 8/28/02, Clifford Novey wrote: >Why? >c > >> much better just to upload the whole thing to the computer > > and reformat the disk and reload the samples... er, yes, as I sent this off I realized that I didn't really explain why but I was just too slack to call it back... Basically, if you reformat the card and put the information back on, you KNOW what you are getting -- a completely empty FAT that has been filled with just your files. If you use someone's defragmentation utility, you don't know what you are getting. Moreover, you are putting a lot of read/write on the drive (which isn't really an issue for solid state I suppose but is bad for hard drives). At 6:46 PM -0700 8/28/02, Sean Echevarria wrote: >If the CFC was close to being full, wouldn't writing the same files >back to the CFC cause defragmentation? I believe that you intended to write "fragmentation". > You're assuming the writes will happen contiguously (not just >unfragmented but also nice and neat with no gaps between each file)? >It seems that if there are gaps between earlier files written, then >the last files to be written will have to be fragmented. It's not a requirement of DOS format but in practice disk driver writers do in fact allocate memory from a clean disk contiguously for that very reason. /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 22:13:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08618; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:12:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:12:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Laurie Hatch" To: Subject: Re: action plan Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 19:18:51 -0700 Message-ID: <002401c24f02$6a8dc500$bda6accf@lloopoo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020827233250.0095f9f0@pop.earthlink.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > MY GOD! Girlfriend, WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?!!! It's great to see ya > again! been here all along, just hangin' low... (not to be confused with DROOPING haw haw haw!) > We should definitely come up with > our own shirt. Besides, the First Women's Looping Festival is comming up > in Oct. -we've got to have some sort of catchy deal! lol! -Love the > Looping or Bust idea! Well, one can envision all sorts of, ummm, memorably/mammarably loopy puns emblazoned on a bosom...we've got some superbly twisted minds here! And hey, no boxy beefy tees, huh? Gotta have some spandex, don't you think? :) Sell them loopers, baby...yowwwwww! laurie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 22:18:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08987; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:14:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:14:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020828190227.01ef7ab8@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: the truth is out there Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 19:11:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: is this a known bub in repeater? In-Reply-To: References: <000f01c24efc$a85baa60$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> <16e.12dc03cc.2a9e4e46@aol.com> <002101c24ecd$7b1681d0$c2a55e82@audiows> <3D6D48DE.D4B53F8@zerocrossing.net> <004601c24ef4$00b45440$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> <000f01c24efc$a85baa60$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <71L9rB.A.7IC.bNYb9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:59 PM 2002/08/28 -0400, Tom Ritchford wrote: >At 6:46 PM -0700 8/28/02, Sean Echevarria wrote: >>If the CFC was close to being full, wouldn't writing the same files back to the CFC cause defragmentation? > >I believe that you intended to write "fragmentation". sure did :) >> You're assuming the writes will happen contiguously (not just unfragmented but also nice and neat with no gaps between each file)? It seems that if there are gaps between earlier files written, then the last files to be written will have to be fragmented. > >It's not a requirement of DOS format but in practice disk driver writers do in fact >allocate memory from a clean disk contiguously for that very reason. Good practice though I would have sworn I'd seen newly copied files getting placed non-contiguously in my DOS days. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 22:55:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11752; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:54:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:54:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: Re: is this a known bub in repeater? Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 19:53:57 -0700 Message-ID: <00b501c24f07$51c8e180$6401a8c0@om> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B6_01C24ECC.A56A0980" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B6_01C24ECC.A56A0980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok I tested these ideas- I was using a 128mb SimpleTech with 3.29 min left. 1- Defragging the card itself is painfully slow- useless. 2- Cutting the files to the HD and pasting right back worked perfectly- 100% unfragmented- no intermediate formatting of the card needed- Cliff www.om-studios.com ------=_NextPart_000_00B6_01C24ECC.A56A0980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ok I tested these ideas- I was using a 128mb = SimpleTech with 3.29 min left.

 

1-       Defragging the card itself is painfully slow- = useless.

2-       Cutting the files to the HD and pasting right = back worked perfectly- 100% unfragmented- no intermediate formatting of the = card needed-

 

Cliff

 

www.om-studios.com

 

------=_NextPart_000_00B6_01C24ECC.A56A0980-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 23:33:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15215; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:32:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:32:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020828213310.00afaaf0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:33:10 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Popularity/influence/etc. In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020828122503.02639ec0@icicle.net> References: <20020827181438.6A3322FD28@server3.fastmail.fm> <00f101c24e49$747e2b40$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi C, thanks so much for the perspective of the audience's involvement in a show. I completely agree. To me at least, music is to be enjoyed as an immersive experience. Smiles, CQ At 01:25 PM 8/28/02 -0500, you wrote: >At 09:45 AM 8/28/2002 -0700, Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > >>Hip-hop/Rap = sampling and presequencing, rather than loop performance >>Hip-hop/Rap = everything done in the studio >>Hip-hop/Rap = amazingly lackluster live shows for audiences who've never >>seen better > >I'd also disagree, even though I'll readily admit I hate most Rap/Hip-hop >(that's merely my own personal taste, however, and not a blanket judgment >of the musical form). > >As to the first criticism, there's nothing wrong with sampling and >presequencing, if done properly, as it can provide a structure within which >to work and improvise. As for loop performance, I believe that Per already >brought up that one is just as able to "loop" using vinyl as an EDP. > >The second criticism, if I'm reading it correctly, implies that there is no >spontaneity in this type of music, which is just not true. Even moreso >than most other popular music, Rap and Hip-hop are vocally centered and not >primarily instrumental musics. In performance, there can be a huge amount >of spontaneity and improvisation from the lead rapper(s). The instruments >primarily exist to serve as a backdrop for the vocals, however. That >doesn't necessarily mean that "everything is done in the studio". > >Finally, the last criticism is the one I find most contentious, but since >my background is more in electronica let me give you an example based in >that experience (I think it applies equally to some of the better Hip-hop >shows I've seen). I've gone to a lot of different techno concerts, one of >which was a Crystal Method show I attended a while back. This show >happened to be particularly good, and within the first ten minutes >everybody in the club was bouncing off the walls -- literally, it was >nearly impossible to keep from merging into the mass of dancing >bodies. The important thing was not how much was sequenced/pre-prepared (a >large chunk of it was) or how much was re-arranged/improvised (an equally >large chunk was, as well), but rather that the guys up on stage could have >utterly disappeared and it wouldn't have mattered. > >What am I talking about? Well, what really mattered was that the musicians >had constructed an environment where the audience could become completely >lost in the experience, then, for all intents and purposes, the two guys >onstage became utterly irrelevant and vanished. The concert became a >tribal experience with all members of the audience actively participating, >rather than some sort of spectator event with all attendant merely gawking >at the stage. The performers were merely facilitators. > >The point is that not every show has to be centered around the >self-aggrandization of the musician's ego, as the majority of "rock >concerts" seem to be. Rather, the performance can be an event where the >artist strives to make himself invisible so that the audience can lose >themselves in the group experience. This type of concert lends itself >poorly to recording and documentation, however, and if it is viewed from >the outside rather than as an active participant, it's extremely easy to >judge such an event as 'lackluster'. > >Finally, I do have to add that there are crappy artists out there >performing crappy concerts. But the same can be said of every other >musical genre out there. YMMV, all standard disclaimers apply, caveat >emptor, post no bills... > > -c- > >_____ >"i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" > -recoil > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 23:40:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15866; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:40:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:40:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D6D96CA.5060305@minds-eye.org> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:36:42 -0700 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: is this a known bub in repeater? References: <004601c24ef4$00b45440$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> <16e.12dc03cc.2a9e4e46@aol.com> <002101c24ecd$7b1681d0$c2a55e82@audiows> <3D6D48DE.D4B53F8@zerocrossing.net> <004601c24ef4$00b45440$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20020828183837.022e1c60@mail.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've had my CFC 'lose' time as I saved and deleted loops. Using the a 32 mb card I have 6 minutes, but if I use it up and then delete those loops I find I sometimes have as little as 4 minutes on the card. I have to dump the loops onto PC and reformat the card to get my full 6 minutes back. Seems like strange behavior to me (using a Simpletech card btw) but not too much of a hassle. Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 28 23:54:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16496; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:53:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:53:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020828215347.00afc6f0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:53:47 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: is this a known bub in repeater? In-Reply-To: <3D6D72F5.846A5C23@zerocrossing.net> References: <16e.12dc03cc.2a9e4e46@aol.com> <002101c24ecd$7b1681d0$c2a55e82@audiows> <3D6D48DE.D4B53F8@zerocrossing.net> <004601c24ef4$00b45440$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've deleted, renamed, added, copied, and moved, files and folders on a CFC from the PC. Smiles, CQ At 06:03 PM 8/28/02 -0700, you wrote: >Good question. Is it just a DOS file system? If so, you can. I wasn't sure. >Have others deleated files from their card and replaced them? > >Clifford Novey wrote: > >> You could probably just plug it into the pc and defrag directly and plug it >> back into the Rptr, no? >> >> Cliff >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tom Ritchford" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 5:27 PM >> Subject: Re: is this a known bub in repeater? >> >> > >This could be your issue. To defragment the memory, you might try >> transfering >> > >all the files on the card to your computer, reformatting the card (with >> the >> > >Repeater) then putting the files back on. I've never tried this, but I'd >> > >imagine it would work. Has any one done this? >> > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 00:20:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19011; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 00:18:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 00:18:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020828221823.007c5560@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:18:23 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: action plan In-Reply-To: <002401c24f02$6a8dc500$bda6accf@lloopoo> References: <3.0.5.32.20020827233250.0095f9f0@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Woohoo! You crack me up! Yer' AWESOME!!! lol! Yeah, spandex all the way! So, black would be way cool, with like, a big neon purple and green infinity symbol lol! -with a slogan like, "Loops, bet ya can't play just one!!!" lollollol! -in large, friendly letters... Whadaya think?!!! lol! Laters, CQ At 07:18 PM 8/28/02 -0700, you wrote: > > MY GOD! Girlfriend, WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?!!! It's great to see ya >> again! > >been here all along, just hangin' low... (not to be confused with DROOPING >haw haw haw!) > >> We should definitely come up with >> our own shirt. Besides, the First Women's Looping Festival is comming up >> in Oct. -we've got to have some sort of catchy deal! lol! -Love the >> Looping or Bust idea! > >Well, one can envision all sorts of, ummm, memorably/mammarably loopy puns >emblazoned on a bosom...we've got some superbly twisted minds here! And >hey, no boxy beefy tees, huh? Gotta have some spandex, don't you think? :) >Sell them loopers, baby...yowwwwww! > >laurie > > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 01:28:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24723; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 01:27:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 01:27:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006801c24f1d$80012600$aacccb97@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <20020827181438.6A3322FD28@server3.fastmail.fm> <00f101c24e49$747e2b40$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Re: Popularity/influence/etc. Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 01:32:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop015.verizon.net from [151.203.204.170] using ID at Thu, 29 Aug 2002 00:26:12 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hip-hop/Rap = sampling and presequencing, rather than loop performance > Hip-hop/Rap = everything done in the studio True enough - I agree generally they are, because to do that many of them live THAT PRECISELY is damn hard. But that doesn't mean they HAVE to be, something will come along that will make new things possible. > Hip-hop/Rap = amazingly lackluster live shows for audiences who've never seen better This comment very silly however. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 12:45 PM Subject: Re: Popularity/influence/etc. > > Hip-hop/Rap = sampling and presequencing, rather than loop performance > Hip-hop/Rap = everything done in the studio > Hip-hop/Rap = amazingly lackluster live shows for audiences who've never > seen better > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 9:14 PM > Subject: Re: Popularity/influence/etc. > > > > Hip-Hop/Rap = Loops > > Hip-Hop/Rap = CD Sales > > Hip-Hop/Rap = Popular > > > > Q. Are their any hip-hop rappers on this list? > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 01:35:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25186; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 01:34:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 01:34:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b501c24f1e$5cb9f860$aacccb97@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <4B6B0126-BABF-11D6-AE49-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Subject: Re: Delay Question Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 01:38:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop017.verizon.net from [151.203.204.170] using ID at Thu, 29 Aug 2002 00:32:23 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What about three 10-second delays daisy chained? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 3:49 PM Subject: Re: Delay Question > > On Wednesday, August 28, 2002, at 08:35 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > > > 2 EDPs. > > That would be lovely :) However, there is no way that I can get $1300 at > the moment :( > -- > Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project > http://www.solostring.com > stuart@solostring.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 01:38:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25468; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 01:37:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 01:37:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:28:11 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: vinyl emulator In-reply-to: <280802240.45046@webbox.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <280802240.45046@webbox.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1bCvuC.A.ONG.7Lbb9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:30 PM -0700 8/28/02, p koniuto wrote: >What was impressive about your experience with them? At 3:01 PM -0700 8/28/02, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: >It *really* felt like vinyl to me. The sound. They must be doing >something other than just scrolling like a jog...The heavy feeling >of the platter. They modeled the inertia really nicely, and even >let you set the power of your "motor" so you can control your spin >up time. From long to instant. I can't articulate it better than that. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 01:55:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA26555; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 01:55:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 01:55:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Sender: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: CHECKING IN (San Diego, CA) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:43:29 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c24f20$619074c0$3307f843@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <-ul-jC.A.xbG.cbbb9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Let's Make it Official > 1)where you live Poway, CA 92064 It's north county San Diego, near Miramar (where Tom Cruise was Top Gun) > 2)where you would like to perform (a city or a region) Realistically, in the Southern California area--but when the money is good, I can travel anywhere in the US--don't have a passport anymore > 3) whether you have the desire to perform in any other region (many people > who played the Y2K2 LOOPFEST in Santa Cruz, California made the festival an > excuse to take a vacation. Some even flew in from elsewhere to do so. Probably not--see #2. I made an exception for Santa Cruz > 4) would you be willing to host a fellow looper or loopers at a local venue > (by producing the event yourself) if they came in from out of town to play a > show with you----- the mini-looping festival approach. I think I could manage this. I have spoken to a couple of folks about this--but it's tough to take time away from a business when you are self employed > 5) would you be willing to put a performer up at your home during the > length of their stay (not to exceed 3 months........no, just joking) Not under normal circumstances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 03:05:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31871; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 03:04:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 03:04:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Briscoe23@aol.com Message-ID: <96.2bb1bf85.2a9f2122@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 03:02:58 EDT Subject: Re: action plan To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_96.2bb1bf85.2a9f2122_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10513 Resent-Message-ID: <9Pk3H.A.RvH.nccb9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_96.2bb1bf85.2a9f2122_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/28/02 4:43:49 PM Central Daylight Time, mtman@cloud9.net writes: > How about "round and round and round she goes ..." on those shirts? :) > > Elby > I wrote the perfect theme song on my DL4! Here is the link to download: www.mp3.com/justin_sable_fobes It's called Mary (Go Round)! -Justin Sable Fobes --part1_96.2bb1bf85.2a9f2122_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/28/02 4:43:49 PM Central Daylight Time, mtman@cloud9.net writes:


How about "round and round and round she goes ..." on those shirts?  :)

Elby


I wrote the perfect theme song on my DL4!  Here is the link to download:

www.mp3.com/justin_sable_fobes

It's called Mary (Go Round)!

-Justin Sable Fobes --part1_96.2bb1bf85.2a9f2122_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 04:28:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04010; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 04:27:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 04:27:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: c.jas@optusnet.com.au Message-Id: <200208290825.g7T8PTu13197@mail015.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.411 (Entity 5.404) To: "Loopers-Delight @ loopers-delight . com" Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 18:25:29 +1000 Subject: Echo Pro, info please Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Now, the Line6 echo pro has made it in australia, on time, 1 year later than the rest of the universe. Tell me you only can loop with a huge midi-pedal apparatus? Why don't they set the thingso we can use a normal human non midi pedal like a jam man? It's useless to me, HELP I just want 1 minute of unadulterated looping without a huge midi pedal. The ECHO UNPRO is 2 bricks glued together painted green. cam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 04:32:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04405; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 04:28:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 04:28:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: c.jas@optusnet.com.au Message-Id: <200208290827.g7T8RNo31468@mail017.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.411 (Entity 5.404) To: "Loopers-Delight @ loopers-delight . com" Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 18:27:23 +1000 Subject: Yamaha delay pedal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's new Yamaha delay pedal out, the one that Alan Holdsworth's helped with, it has a loop funtion, anyone know how long? is it cool. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 06:10:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA11826; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 06:09:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 06:09:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Briscoe23@aol.com Message-ID: <47.2247d729.2a9f4c7f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 06:07:59 EDT Subject: Re: Yamaha delay pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_47.2247d729.2a9f4c7f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_47.2247d729.2a9f4c7f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.yamaha.co.jp/english/product/guitar/guitaramp/ud.html --part1_47.2247d729.2a9f4c7f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.yamaha.co.jp/english/product/guitar/guitaramp/ud.html
 --part1_47.2247d729.2a9f4c7f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 06:38:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13356; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 06:32:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 06:32:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Briscoe23@aol.com Message-ID: <175.db41f6f.2a9f51fe@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 06:31:26 EDT Subject: Re: Lo Fi Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_175.db41f6f.2a9f51fe_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_175.db41f6f.2a9f51fe_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone know where to get the chassis boxes, knobs, pots, parts? Seems like a great project! --part1_175.db41f6f.2a9f51fe_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone know where to get the chassis boxes, knobs, pots, parts?

Seems like a great project! --part1_175.db41f6f.2a9f51fe_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 06:41:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13907; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 06:40:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 06:40:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:38:37 +0200 Subject: Re: Delay Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3D6D7325.9D374559@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: <79970B14-BB3B-11D6-B344-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <1GZqtC.A.FVD.Nnfb9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, August 29, 2002, at 03:04 AM, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > Actually, I'm still not sure I understand > what you're trying to do. I wanted to find a way to have a delay loop whereby each note that is played live is repeated exactly 3 or 4 times at the same input volume at a delay time of around 30 seconds... however, thinking about the technical side of it, I dont think that it would be possible. It was a random thought of mine :) However, I've just found a theoretical way of doing what I wanted with the Repeater, using its 4 tracks and taking off the overdub... If I can program a bank of the 1010 to send the midi PC/CC commands: Stop Recording, Select track 'x', Start Recording in quick succession, I could emulate my idea. However, its theoretical at the moment, as I am still waiting for the Behringer :) -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 07:00:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16528; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 06:59:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 06:59:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 06:58:13 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: OT: miniTablas To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00b601c24f4a$f87b4e80$5a622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5B665CA49F25BC4994F38297F35D7D5C34CC1C@ENTCOEXCH13> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lanpheer, James A" > That phrase is a series of tabla bols (pronounced 'bowl') that i'm working > on that is a famous composition of Anindo Chatterjee, of the Lucknow > gharana, which he taught to us during a workshop after a solo tabla house > concert that he gave in the home of my teacher. The composition form is > rela (a faster and looser form usually played towards the end of the > development of a raga) and the taal is tintal, 16 beats. > > The taal looks like this: > Dha Dhin Dhin Dha > Dha Dhin Dhin Dha > Dha Tin Tin Ta > Ta Dhin Dhin Da > > The composition would mesh into taal like this (each capital letter > represents a stroke): > Dha TaKa TinNe NaKa > DinNe DinNe TaKa DhinNe > (there are three or four possibilities that i'm working on for the khali > secition, i'm including one) > Na TinNe KaTa DinNe > NaKa DhaKa DhinNe KaNe > and then, on to variations or back to taal... Ah...I'm hip to tintal, I just didn't know what this was. Thanks and good luck with getting your variations together, it's a lot of work! :) > > I've been slaving over this and about 20 variations of this for the last two > months, but i'm getting there... Its BEAUTIFUL when you can get it up to > tempo, (which i'm just starting to get a taste of)! d B * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 07:01:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15292; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 06:58:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 06:58:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b101c24f4b$31521680$6f474ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <20020828203855.21046.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: How people get into looping (was: some other subject that I've just deleted) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:59:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <85EwDD.A.usD.m4fb9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I think what it boils down to is this: Looping doesn't seem > > interesting to most musicians when explained or experienced. > > You've really just got to do it to love it. I could be wrong. > > I think this is true. This is why the addition of simple loop > functionality into devices like the DL4 will probably help the cause. > You buy it 'cause it's a great delay...you wind up loving looping and > may eventually want a more advanced tool for that. I think that's partly true, but a heck of a lot of people just can't seem to conceptualise what looping is. It's unbelieveable. It's not until they sit and see close up you hitting start and stop that they get any idea what's going on. A massively disproportionate number of my students have bought looping devices of one sort or another, and as a result are writing solo bass material, layering in their bands, practicing more etc. etc. and the majority of them wouldn't have given it a thought before their first lesson. They 'knew' about looping, having read interviews with Michael Manring or Victor Wooten or whatever, but not having seen it, they hadn't made any real connection. That's where video and clinics comes in handy - whenever I do a clinic, there's a pretty long queue of people at the end asking about looping... cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 08:28:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA21947; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:27:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:27:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:19:44 +0200 Subject: Re: How people get into looping (was: some other subject that I've just deleted) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <00b101c24f4b$31521680$6f474ed5@bigboy> Message-Id: <9A4DE5CE-BB49-11D6-B344-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <6u1AY.A.DUF.lLhb9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, August 29, 2002, at 12:59 PM, Steve Lawson wrote: > I think that's partly true, but a heck of a lot of people just can't > seem to > conceptualise what looping is. It's unbelieveable. It's not until they > sit > and see close up you hitting start and stop that they get any idea > what's > going on. THAT IS SO TRUE!!!! It got worse for me...there were times when people (including some musicians) were watching me play at Paris Plage for up to 45 minutes, then during the break, came up to me and asked "So did you compose the backing CD yourself?".... or "So, what does this foot pedal do?".... or "Why are you pressing those buttons when you play?"..... Even with my advertising board explaining what I was doing, and theatrically jumping up and down on my pedals, people still did not understand what I was doing... *sigh* :) -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 09:35:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27010; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 09:34:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 09:34:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 09:33:34 -0400 Subject: Re: Lo Fi Looping From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <175.db41f6f.2a9f51fe@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >on 8/29/02 6:31 AM, Briscoe23@aol.com at Briscoe23@aol.com wrote: >Anyone know where to get the chassis boxes, knobs, pots, parts? >Seems like a great project! Mouser.com can provide nearly any item of this kind. Check 'em out. David Lee Myers http://www.pulsewidth.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 09:46:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28270; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 09:45:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 09:45:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 09:44:28 -0400 Subject: Re: Lo Fi Looping From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1fQ_xC.A.m4G._Uib9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Jon. Yes, there seems to be quite a few versions offered by ISD. Where did you purchase your chips? > The big drawback as I see it is that there > is no provision for overdub or feedback, but you could get this with a two > chip design if you were clever. This proves that you're more clever than I--no clue here. I'm more of an advanced fiddler than designer. Toss us a hint? I'm certain there will be glitches at the loop point, and no overdub or feedback or reverse play--exactly what everyone here detests. Perfect! Now if I can just find the time to try this durned thing... David Lee Myers http://www.pulsewidth.com on 8/28/02 8:02 PM, Jon Wagner at jondrums@hotmail.com wrote: > I've used the ISD chip before and indeed the bandwidth is low. Its designed > for telephone answering machines I believe and the bandwidth is even lower > than a telephone, also I think 8KHz is the max sample rate. The chips I > tried out are pretty cheap: > > ISD1420PISD1420P Voice Record and Playback IC (20sec) $3.20 > ISD2560PISD2560P Voice Record and Playback IC (60sec) $9.95 > > If I remember right, they will store a large possible number of samples even > on power down, and they can store many samples with very negligable seek > times. There's a loop playback option (don't know about glitches at the > loop point though ;), or a loop "queueing" option that will play consecutive > samples. A pin goes low when the sample is finished playing so with some > simple logic it could be used to start from the beginning again for > consecutive sample playing. There is even an input that has a built in > compressor and a mic pre, you can set the attack and release times with > resistors (potentiometers if you want). You can chain multiple chips for > longer record/playback times too. The big drawback as I see it is that there > is no provision for overdub or feedback, but you could get this with a two > chip design if you were clever. > > The lo-fi isn't really what I'm going for so I didn't really persue it more, > but the chip has the right features for a simple cheap looper! I would be > happy to hear more about your project, even off-list if you want. I'm > betting you're going to want a simple micro on-board to do the control tasks > and user interface, but then again maybe not. Good luck! > > Jon > > http://www.winbond-usa.com/products/isd_products/chipcorder/portfolio/ > http://www.winbond-usa.com/products/isd_products/chipcorder/datasheets/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 10:27:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA32454; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:27:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:27:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 09:25:38 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: is this a known bub in repeater? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004f01c24f67$fe8dd910$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000f01c24efc$a85baa60$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> <16e.12dc03cc.2a9e4e46@aol.com> <002101c24ecd$7b1681d0$c2a55e82@audiows> <3D6D48DE.D4B53F8@zerocrossing.net> <004601c24ef4$00b45440$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> <000f01c24efc$a85baa60$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20020828190227.01ef7ab8@mail.mindspring.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Good practice though I would have sworn I'd seen newly copied files getting placed non-contiguously in my DOS days. > this will happen, but only if the drive is already fragmented. an empty drive is never fragmented. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 10:31:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA32758; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:30:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:30:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 09:29:14 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Delay Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005501c24f68$74d8bef0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <79970B14-BB3B-11D6-B344-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i thought of this, too. i haven't tried it, though. i think you might get artifacts. also, the repeater sometimes freaks out when it recieves commands too quickly (especially involving record) it is a shame that you can't switch tracks on the repeater while recording, another big flaw, imo... > > On Thursday, August 29, 2002, at 03:04 AM, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > > > Actually, I'm still not sure I understand > > what you're trying to do. > > I wanted to find a way to have a delay loop whereby each note that is > played live is repeated exactly 3 or 4 times at the same input volume at > a delay time of around 30 seconds... however, thinking about the > technical side of it, I dont think that it would be possible. It was a > random thought of mine :) > > However, I've just found a theoretical way of doing what I wanted with > the Repeater, using its 4 tracks and taking off the overdub... If I can > program a bank of the 1010 to send the midi PC/CC commands: Stop > Recording, Select track 'x', Start Recording in quick succession, I > could emulate my idea. > > However, its theoretical at the moment, as I am still waiting for the > Behringer :) > > > > -- > Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project > http://www.solostring.com > stuart@solostring.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 10:33:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00748; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:33:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:33:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 09:32:13 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: No Synths Involved--Unless You Include Processing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006701c24f68$e0636a80$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3D6D78F5.E3270485@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is a grandular synth anything like a glandular synth? > I agree, though they're using the term Grandular synthesis a lot these days > (OK, well maybe not a lot) and I think it's a missleading term. Audio > Grandulation sure, but synthesis? > > Marklar > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 11:07:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03854; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:06:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:06:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006601c24f6e$bf6d3f80$35a55e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: <25845614-BACB-11D6-AE49-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Subject: OT: Phones (Re: Lo Fi Looping) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:14:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I hesitate to ask...a ways off looping topic (but loops sound nice on an answering machine? :-) Anyone have recommendations on a good cordless phone/answering machine combo? I picked up a bright silver 2.4GHz Panasonic (KX-TGss57S). Nice, BUT... the receiving and sending sound quality is tinny, crappy, sounding like it's coming through a tunnel. By comparison, my old AT&T 5450 (which I bought used ten years ago) has a way better audio quality. Any of you guys been through a similar purchase quest? Regards, David A. From: "Jon Wagner" > I've used the ISD chip before and indeed the bandwidth is low. Its designed > for telephone answering machines I believe and the bandwidth is even lower > than a telephone, also I think 8KHz is the max sample rate. The chips I > tried out are pretty cheap: > > ISD1420PISD1420P Voice Record and Playback IC (20sec) $3.20 > ISD2560PISD2560P Voice Record and Playback IC (60sec) $9.95 >(snip...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 11:21:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04939; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:20:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:20:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Nathan Bannow" To: Subject: RE: Phones (Re: Lo Fi Looping) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:19:40 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <006601c24f6e$bf6d3f80$35a55e82@audiows> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can achive a similar effect by only allowing a narrow frequency to pass through a filter. I believe that telephones have cutoffs at 200 Hz and 3000 Hz, giving it that distinctive sound. -Nathan -----Original Message----- From: David Auker [mailto:DavAuk@Hevanet.com] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 10:14 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Phones (Re: Lo Fi Looping) I hesitate to ask...a ways off looping topic (but loops sound nice on an answering machine? :-) Anyone have recommendations on a good cordless phone/answering machine combo? I picked up a bright silver 2.4GHz Panasonic (KX-TGss57S). Nice, BUT... the receiving and sending sound quality is tinny, crappy, sounding like it's coming through a tunnel. By comparison, my old AT&T 5450 (which I bought used ten years ago) has a way better audio quality. Any of you guys been through a similar purchase quest? Regards, David A. From: "Jon Wagner" > I've used the ISD chip before and indeed the bandwidth is low. Its designed > for telephone answering machines I believe and the bandwidth is even lower > than a telephone, also I think 8KHz is the max sample rate. The chips I > tried out are pretty cheap: > > ISD1420PISD1420P Voice Record and Playback IC (20sec) $3.20 > ISD2560PISD2560P Voice Record and Playback IC (60sec) $9.95 >(snip...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 11:29:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05395; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:25:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:25:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.213.101.18] From: "Dan Jones" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lo Fi Looping Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:20:53 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2002 15:20:54.0464 (UTC) FILETIME=[AAC29C00:01C24F6F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "I'm certain there will be glitches at the loop point, and no overdub or feedback or reverse play--exactly what everyone here detests. Perfect!" Hmmm, I haven't had glitch issues with the ZVex pedal, had many more probs with the Headrush, I think 'glitch' is a side effect of high fidelity! _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 11:52:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07454; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:51:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:51:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: Subject: Re: Lo Fi Looping Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:52:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_08A1_01C24F39.56D44FC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2002 15:50:27.0640 (UTC) FILETIME=[CBA7CB80:01C24F73] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_08A1_01C24F39.56D44FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Thanks Jon. Yes, there seems to be quite a few versions offered by = ISD. > Where did you purchase your chips? good question can't remember, but you can get them here for example: http://www.digikey.com/scripts/us/dksus.dll?Criteria?Ref=3D51278&Cat=3D30= 082135 > > The big drawback as I see it is that there > > is no provision for overdub or feedback, but you could get this with = a two > > chip design if you were clever. Not that clever, but here's the gist: You have two ISD chips which both = can either record or playback. There are two states: A and B. Lets = say you have recorded a loop in ISDchip#1. In state A, you playback the = loop once on ISD1, and record on ISD2. ISD2 takes its input from both = the mic, and the output of ISD1 x FEEDBACK. Then as soon as ISD1 = signals its the end of playing the loop, you switch to state B where = ISD2 is playing back and ISD1 is recording the mic + ISD2 x FEEDBACK. = Keep going back and forth this way, and you have a basic system with = feedback and overdub. You could put a switch in to enable the overdub = function by simply turning the mic on/off. The feedback could be a = potentiometer voltage divider so it is variable. I'm pretty sure you = could do the whole thing in digital logic based on the ISD chips outputs = and inputs.=20 Ok, here's the one problem with this scheme - those ISD chips have a = finite number of record cycles before they die. I think its spec'd at = 100,000 cycles. So say you play a 15 second loop for 1 hour each day. = That's a little over 2 years of life before you have to change out the = chips. It all depends on the desired usage. They don't spec a lifetime = on playback, but I would assume its quite a bit many more cycles. If I were you I'd attempt your simple system first. Those chips are = pretty straight forward to get up and running with if you read the = datasheet carefully. Good luck and keep us posted. Jon ------=_NextPart_000_08A1_01C24F39.56D44FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> Thanks Jon.  Yes, there seems = to be quite=20 a few versions offered by ISD.
> Where did you purchase your=20 chips?
good question can't remember, but you = can get them=20 here for example:
http://www.digikey.com/scripts/us/dksus.dll?Criteria?Ref=3D51278= &Cat=3D30082135

> > The big drawback as I see = it is that=20 there
> > is no provision for overdub or feedback, but you = could get=20 this with a two
> > chip design if you were = clever.
Not that clever, but here's the = gist:  You=20 have two ISD chips which both can either record or playback.  There = are two=20 states:  A and B.  Lets say you have recorded a loop in=20 ISDchip#1.  In state A, you playback the loop once on ISD1, = and record=20 on ISD2. ISD2 takes its input from both the mic, and the output of ISD1 = x=20 FEEDBACK.  Then as soon as ISD1 signals its the end of playing the = loop,=20 you switch to state B where ISD2 is playing back and ISD1 is = recording the=20 mic + ISD2 x FEEDBACK.  Keep going back and forth this way, and you = have a=20 basic system with feedback and overdub.  You could put a = switch in to=20 enable the overdub function by simply turning the mic on/off.  The = feedback=20 could be a potentiometer voltage divider so it is variable.  I'm = pretty=20 sure you could do the whole thing in digital logic based on the ISD = chips=20 outputs and inputs. 
 
Ok, here's the one problem with this = scheme - those=20 ISD chips have a finite number of record cycles before they die.  I = think=20 its spec'd at 100,000 cycles.  So say you play a 15 second loop for = 1 hour=20 each day.  That's a little over 2 years of life before you have to = change=20 out the chips.  It all depends on the desired usage.  They = don't spec=20 a lifetime on playback, but I would assume its quite a bit many more=20 cycles.
 
If I were you I'd attempt your simple = system=20 first.  Those chips are pretty straight forward to get up and = running with=20 if you read the datasheet carefully.  Good luck and keep us=20 posted.
Jon
------=_NextPart_000_08A1_01C24F39.56D44FC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 12:06:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09940; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:05:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:05:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020829152404.78774.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:24:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: is this a known bub in repeater? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00b501c24f07$51c8e180$6401a8c0@om> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Clifford Novey wrote: > Ok I tested these ideas- I was using a 128mb SimpleTech with 3.29 min > left. > 2- Cutting the files to the HD and pasting right back worked > perfectly- 100% unfragmented- no intermediate formatting of the card > needed- How fragmented was the card when you started? Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 12:20:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10580; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:16:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:16:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:15:37 -0400 Subject: Re: Lo Fi Looping From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3113468137_628228_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3113468137_628228_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thanks Jon. Interesting, about the record life of these chips--didn't catch that in the spec sheets. Definitely think that limits the practicality of overdub schemes. So I definitely will try the simple way, at least at first. I'd like to try the ISD 1416--16 second memory, and the best bandwidth these things offer, 3.4 kHz. The best price seems to be from nuhorizons.com--but they are out of stock. Like everyone else! I hope there isn't a problem with the company. Digikey lists a backorder to October 7, maybe then we'll see what's happening. Til then, guess I'll mosey over to Radio Shack and see if they have a piece to play with. DLM on 8/29/02 11:52 AM, Jon Wagner at jondrums@hotmail.com wrote: > Thanks Jon. Yes, there seems to be quite a few versions offered by ISD. > Where did you purchase your chips? good question can't remember, but you can get them here for example: http://www.digikey.com/scripts/us/dksus.dll?Criteria?Ref=51278&Cat=30082135 > > The big drawback as I see it is that there > > is no provision for overdub or feedback, but you could get this with a two > > chip design if you were clever. Not that clever, but here's the gist: You have two ISD chips which both can either record or playback. There are two states: A and B. Lets say you have recorded a loop in ISDchip#1. In state A, you playback the loop once on ISD1, and record on ISD2. ISD2 takes its input from both the mic, and the output of ISD1 x FEEDBACK. Then as soon as ISD1 signals its the end of playing the loop, you switch to state B where ISD2 is playing back and ISD1 is recording the mic + ISD2 x FEEDBACK. Keep going back and forth this way, and you have a basic system with feedback and overdub. You could put a switch in to enable the overdub function by simply turning the mic on/off. The feedback could be a potentiometer voltage divider so it is variable. I'm pretty sure you could do the whole thing in digital logic based on the ISD chips outputs and inputs. Ok, here's the one problem with this scheme - those ISD chips have a finite number of record cycles before they die. I think its spec'd at 100,000 cycles. So say you play a 15 second loop for 1 hour each day. That's a little over 2 years of life before you have to change out the chips. It all depends on the desired usage. They don't spec a lifetime on playback, but I would assume its quite a bit many more cycles. If I were you I'd attempt your simple system first. Those chips are pretty straight forward to get up and running with if you read the datasheet carefully. Good luck and keep us posted. Jon --MS_Mac_OE_3113468137_628228_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Lo Fi Looping Thanks Jon.  Interesting, about the record life of these chips--didn't= catch that in the spec sheets.  Definitely think that limits the pract= icality of overdub schemes.  So I definitely will try the simple way, a= t least at first.

I'd like to try the ISD 1416--16 second memory, and the best bandwidth thes= e things offer, 3.4 kHz. The best price seems to be from nuhorizons.com--but= they are out of stock.  Like everyone else!  I hope there isn't a= problem with the company.  Digikey lists a backorder to October 7, may= be then we'll see what's happening.  Til then, guess I'll mosey over to= Radio Shack and see if they have a piece to play with.

DLM

on 8/29/02 11:52 AM, Jon Wagner at jondrums@hotmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Jon.  Yes, t= here seems to be quite a few versions offered by ISD.
> Where did you purchase your chips?
good question can't remember, but you can get them here for example:
http://www.digikey.com/scripts/us/dksus.dll?Criteria?Ref=3D51278&Cat=3D3008= 2135

> > The big drawback as I see it is= that there
> > is no provision for overdub or feedback, but you could get this w= ith a two
> > chip design if you were clever.
Not that clever, but here's the gist:  You have two ISD chips which bo= th can either record or playback.  There are two states:  A and B.=  Lets say you have recorded a loop in ISDchip#1.  In state A, you= playback the loop once on ISD1, and record on ISD2. ISD2 takes its input fr= om both the mic, and the output of ISD1 x FEEDBACK.  Then as soon as IS= D1 signals its the end of playing the loop, you switch to state B where ISD2= is playing back and ISD1 is recording the mic + ISD2 x FEEDBACK.  Keep= going back and forth this way, and you have a basic system with feedback an= d overdub.  You could put a switch in to enable the overdub function by= simply turning the mic on/off.  The feedback could be a potentiometer = voltage divider so it is variable.  I'm pretty sure you could do the wh= ole thing in digital logic based on the ISD chips outputs and inputs.

Ok, here's the one problem with this sche= me - those ISD chips have a finite number of record cycles before they die. =  I think its spec'd at 100,000 cycles.  So say you play a 15 secon= d loop for 1 hour each day.  That's a little over 2 years of life befor= e you have to change out the chips.  It all depends on the desired usag= e.  They don't spec a lifetime on playback, but I would assume its quit= e a bit many more cycles.
If I were you I'd attempt your simple sys= tem first.  Those chips are pretty straight forward to get up and runni= ng with if you read the datasheet carefully.  Good luck and keep us pos= ted.
Jon


--MS_Mac_OE_3113468137_628228_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 12:28:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11380; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:23:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:23:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:21:47 -0400 Subject: Re: Lo Fi Looping From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/29/02 11:20 AM, Dan Jones at dnljns@hotmail.com wrote: > "I'm certain there will be glitches at the loop point, and no overdub or > feedback or reverse play--exactly what everyone here detests. Perfect!" > > Hmmm, I haven't had glitch issues with the ZVex pedal, had many more probs > with the Headrush, I think 'glitch' is a side effect of high fidelity! Another good reason to head straight for the bottom? Maybe it's time for a fidelity backlash. I've always held out for highest bandwidth, sample rates, etc., but sound is so perfect now that imperfection's day may be here... David Lee Myers http://www.pulsewidth.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 13:13:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15611; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 13:13:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 13:13:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: mark_hamburg@baymoon.com Message-Id: <200208291710.KAA28568@mail.cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Delay Question Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:00:07 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/29/02 3:38 AM, Stuart Wyatt at stuart@solostring.com wrote: > I wanted to find a way to have a delay loop whereby each note that is > played live is repeated exactly 3 or 4 times at the same input volume at > a delay time of around 30 seconds... however, thinking about the > technical side of it, I dont think that it would be possible. It was a > random thought of mine :) In other words, a 4 tap 2 minute delay line. Certainly not technically impossible. The EDP certainly has the hardware to do it but it's software isn't set up to do it. I don't, however, know of anything that does this (short perhaps of computer-based loopers) since most multitap delays seem to max out at around 10 seconds total time. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 13:16:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15953; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 13:15:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 13:15:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: Popularity/influence/etc. Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 13:12:30 -0400 Message-ID: <001401c24f7f$42cc6e90$6445230a@melon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <006801c24f1d$80012600$aacccb97@hppav> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the Roots = live hip hop band the Roots = musicians the Roots = nice to see perform live > -----Original Message----- > From: David [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 1:33 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Popularity/influence/etc. > > > > Hip-hop/Rap = sampling and presequencing, rather than loop > performance > > Hip-hop/Rap = everything done in the studio > > True enough - I agree generally they are, because to do that > many of them > live THAT PRECISELY is damn hard. But that doesn't mean > they HAVE to be, > something will come along that will make new things possible. > > > > Hip-hop/Rap = amazingly lackluster live shows for audiences > who've never > seen better > > This comment very silly however. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 14:04:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20260; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:03:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:03:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:01:43 -0400 Subject: Re: Lo Fi Looping From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For those who are interested: Radio Shack has apparently discontinued the ISD chips--several stores don't show them in their computers and the website, same. I have been able to locate only the 2.6 kHz bandwidth 10 second chips (ISD 1110), and these only at digikey.com--if you're looking to fool around with this stuff, it might be wise to order a few. I ordered 10 for $36. It may be that the company has gone south, I don't know. If they reappear, I think that the longer times/greater bandwidth versions will probably pop right into any 1110 designs we might come up with... David Lee Myers http://www.pulsewidth.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 14:22:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21032; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:16:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:16:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020829151353.56621.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:13:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: is this a known bub in repeater? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3D6D72F5.846A5C23@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > Good question. Is it just a DOS file system? If so, you can. I > wasn't sure. > Have others deleated files from their card and replaced them? I haven't specifically deleted & replaced 'em, but I've added files. Jon Wagner posted a loop to the repeater-users mailing list awhile back which I was able to move onto my CFC (changing the directory name to change the loop number) and use in my repeater without any issues. As I remember, the manual said it was a basic DOS file system. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 14:31:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21989; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:29:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:29:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020829112424.01ed7010@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: the truth is out there Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:26:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: is this a known bub in repeater? In-Reply-To: <20020829151353.56621.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3D6D72F5.846A5C23@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It uses a 12-bit FAT (as reported by the Windows 2000 disk defragmenter which wouldn't touch it). At 08:13 AM 2002/08/29 -0700, Greg House wrote: >As I remember, the manual said it was a basic DOS file system. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 14:32:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22153; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:31:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:31:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301c24f89$ba037da0$d32087d9@e1v8b1> Reply-To: "Lee Fletcher" From: "Lee Fletcher" To: Subject: Slightly OT: [halo] Project / Free MP3 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 19:27:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers, Please forgive this shameless piece of self-promotion, however I believe it could be of genuine interest to some of you :-) German touch-guitarist and 'loop connoisseur' Markus Reuter (CENTROZOON, Europa String Choir, String Unit) has teamed up with my (vocalist) wife and I to form [halo]: a new studio-based ensemble. An album provisionally titled 'Hobo Magnetism' is currently in post-production, however as a prelude we are making freely available an interim mix of the track 'Sinking On Land'. This exclusive MP3 can be accessed directly from our new website, which is conveniently located at either of the following two URLs: http://www.halo.markusreuter.com http://www.halo.fletchertronics.com We would welcome your feedback, and request that comments are left in our Guestbook... Cheers! Lee Fletcher From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 14:43:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23690; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:42:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:42:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200208291710.KAA28568@mail.cruzio.com> References: <200208291710.KAA28568@mail.cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:42:22 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: Delay Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, if you had 3 memory expanded JamMen, and set feedback to 0 on each of them, and rigged one footswtich or used Midi to set the delay times, you could chain tehm and then mix their outputs. At 5:00 PM +0000 8/29/02, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com wrote: >on 8/29/02 3:38 AM, Stuart Wyatt at stuart@solostring.com wrote: > >> I wanted to find a way to have a delay loop whereby each note that is >> played live is repeated exactly 3 or 4 times at the same input volume at >> a delay time of around 30 seconds... however, thinking about the >> technical side of it, I dont think that it would be possible. It was a >> random thought of mine :) > >In other words, a 4 tap 2 minute delay line. > >Certainly not technically impossible. The EDP certainly has the >hardware to do it but it's > >software isn't set up to do it. > >I don't, however, know of anything that does this (short perhaps of >computer-based >loopers) since most multitap delays seem to max out at around 10 >seconds total time. > >Mark -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 15:00:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27200; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:58:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:58:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <280802240.45046@webbox.com> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:57:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: vinyl emulator Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:28 PM -0700 8/28/02, Richard Zvonar wrote: >At 12:30 PM -0700 8/28/02, p koniuto wrote: >>What was impressive about your experience with them? > >At 3:01 PM -0700 8/28/02, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: >>It *really* felt like vinyl to me. The sound. They must be doing >>something other than just scrolling like a jog...The heavy feeling >>of the platter. They modeled the inertia really nicely, and even >>let you set the power of your "motor" so you can control your spin >>up time. From long to instant. > >I can't articulate it better than that. I am curious, does the platter have force feedback, such that changing the "motor power" changes the inertia of the disc (possible with magnetic braking like a Sony pro VTR jog/shuttle wheel) or does the platter always have the same nice heavy feel but the audio response changes? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 15:20:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30851; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:17:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:17:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <20020829151353.56621.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: is this a known bub in repeater? Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:17:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2002 19:15:40.0536 (UTC) FILETIME=[76B69F80:01C24F90] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Jon Wagner posted a loop to the repeater-users mailing list awhile back > which I was able to move onto my CFC (changing the directory name to > change the loop number) and use in my repeater without any issues. > We've started a nice (although slow moving) thread on the repeater-users yahoo group which is a collective loop creation process. I posted a simple repeater percussion loop there and others have been able to download it and work on it. Jason Fink multiplied it and resampled it down to add some tasty guitar, then reposted it. Any member is welcome to contribute loops or add to existing ones. Anyway, this is why I got a cfc reader and since then I've had no trouble moving loops around from repeater to computer (renaming loop numbers too) and back. Be careful when trying to save a loop to a location that already contains a loop - trouble... If you've got a repeater and a cfc reader (I got mine for $19) I would love to have more participants in the loop thread. The repeater is a really cool tool and one of the things it does is allow for online collaboration really easily. You don't have to receive emails to join the group, you can just join to be part of the collective loop creation project. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/repeater-users/ check in the files section. jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 15:47:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02567; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:46:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:46:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:41:40 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: vinyl emulator In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <280802240.45046@webbox.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:57 AM -0700 8/29/02, Alex Stahl wrote: >I am curious, does the platter have force feedback, such that >changing the "motor power" changes the inertia of the disc (possible >with magnetic braking like a Sony pro VTR jog/shuttle wheel) or does >the platter always have the same nice heavy feel but the audio >response changes? Why don't you try one out and tell us what you think? I wasn't being that analytical at the time. I'm also completely inexperienced with vinyl scratch, so I had no pont of kinesthetic reference. Force feedback is an interesting idea, though. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 17:06:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11485; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:04:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:04:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020829210358.40445.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:03:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Lo Fi Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great, now they'll sell for hundreds of dollars at ebay :-) --- David Myers wrote: > For those who are interested: Radio Shack has apparently discontinued > the > ISD chips--several stores don't show them in their computers and the > website, same. > > I have been able to locate only the 2.6 kHz bandwidth 10 second chips > (ISD > 1110), and these only at digikey.com--if you're looking to fool > around with > this stuff, it might be wise to order a few. I ordered 10 for $36. > It may > be that the company has gone south, I don't know. If they reappear, > I think > that the longer times/greater bandwidth versions will probably pop > right > into any 1110 designs we might come up with... > > David Lee Myers > http://www.pulsewidth.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 19:47:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25110; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 19:45:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 19:45:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 01:44:12 +0200 Subject: Re: Delay Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <386B90D0-BBA9-11D6-9438-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the suggestions... I tried the Repeater by sending Midi commands using software to do what I wanted, and it just wont work... most of the time, the repeater refuses to record saying that I'm too fast... It seems that the only way to do what I want is to invest in separate equipment, and route them through each other through a good desk... In other words... yet another pipedream :( -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 20:53:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31695; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 20:51:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 20:51:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.205.197.84] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:New Product question Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 00:50:00 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2002 00:50:01.0103 (UTC) FILETIME=[2BBE39F0:01C24FBF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello out there, Has anyone checked out the Alesis Fidelity X unit? Enquiring minds want to know... Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 21:04:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02012; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:03:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:03:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004d01c24fc1$4f173a80$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: Re:New Product question Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 20:05:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Or any of the other "ModFX" units, like the Philtre? Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Olden" To: Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 7:50 PM Subject: Re:New Product question > > Hello out there, > Has anyone checked out the Alesis Fidelity X unit? > Enquiring minds want to know... > Chris Olden > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 22:22:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06661; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:21:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:21:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020830021959.94407.qmail@web10105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 19:19:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: library music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020820003258.00af3940@pop.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Corynne, I tried calling the library, but was not able to get any info on Edwin's music this weekend. Information could not give me his phone number. Let us know about the timing for his music on saturday so we can plan to meet him. I tried calling you but your line just rang with no message. see ya, bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 29 22:41:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07750; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:40:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:40:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <114.167299ce.2aa034d0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:39:12 EDT Subject: Re: Lo Fi Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_114.167299ce.2aa034d0_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_114.167299ce.2aa034d0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/29/02 11:26:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dnljns@hotmail.com writes: > I think 'glitch' is a side effect of high fidelity! > yikes!.....michael --part1_114.167299ce.2aa034d0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/29/02 11:26:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dnljns@hotmail.com writes:


I think 'glitch' is a side effect of high fidelity!


yikes!.....michael --part1_114.167299ce.2aa034d0_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 05:30:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA03934; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 05:23:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 05:23:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <42.2c989699.2aa09335@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 05:21:57 EDT Subject: Re: Delay Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I wanted to find a way to have a delay loop whereby each note that is > > played live is repeated exactly 3 or 4 times at the same input volume at > > a delay time of around 30 seconds... however, thinking about the > > technical side of it, I dont think that it would be possible. It was a > > random thought of mine :) Will Repeater Overdub on all 4 channels simultaneously? Do you have individual acces to the 4 inputs and outputs? If so just put 4 CH in overdub feedback zero and daisy chain the channels. Don't see how your idea works, so maybe I'm on totally the wrong tack! ..but assume you want a continuous multitap delay. Solution may be to use a 60s delay followed by 30s delay, both with zero feedback. (with 50% dry/wet mix in both cases) (or reverse the order, same result) That would give 4 repeats evenly spaced at 30s (inclusive of the live playing) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 08:45:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25066; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:44:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:44:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: edp + Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:42:55 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hopefully, Matthias will be with me for a while soon and we can do some in-depth analysis of levels/specifications for the new unit. We still have time to change things if Matthias feels it is necessary, Andy. -----Original Message----- From: Hedewa7@aol.com [mailto:Hedewa7@aol.com] Sent: 27 July 2002 15:30 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: edp + andy, in response to someone else, you said: >Tests so far have showed >that it may have better frequency response and distortion figures. on a related note: is there any chance that the output-levels of the edp+ will be increased, as well? just wondering. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 11:25:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09587; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:23:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:23:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: A very strange day... Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:21:16 -0700 Message-ID: <001101c25038$e260caa0$dcfaec0c@ATTBI.COM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com La vie- c'est la difference, mais qui connais la vie? -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Pask [mailto:andrew@kaleidacousticon.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 9:20 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A very strange day... > > I met the french Porno Star Ovidie today in the street,she is a > girl with a degree in Philosophy (no kidding...) that just happens to > make porno films,she was walking her dog on a sunny Paris morning... > Yeah we get those here in LA too. They are still out walking the dog, but the degree is in pornography and she's doing Philosophy on the side..... Vive la difference... L8r Andrew From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 11:26:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09717; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:23:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:23:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: A very strange day... Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:22:02 -0700 Message-ID: <001201c25038$fe26edf0$dcfaec0c@ATTBI.COM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Qui connai^T (je m'excuse) la vie? -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Pask [mailto:andrew@kaleidacousticon.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 9:20 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A very strange day... > > I met the french Porno Star Ovidie today in the street,she is a > girl with a degree in Philosophy (no kidding...) that just happens to > make porno films,she was walking her dog on a sunny Paris morning... > Yeah we get those here in LA too. They are still out walking the dog, but the degree is in pornography and she's doing Philosophy on the side..... Vive la difference... L8r Andrew From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 11:33:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10462; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:28:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:28:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Adrian Belew (and other related matters) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:27:08 -0700 Message-ID: <001301c25039$b47b90b0$dcfaec0c@ATTBI.COM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20020611062933.16211.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <80nVYC.A.2gC.u74b9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll definitely have to find that album myself! Anyone wanna lend me a tape or cd of it? -----Original Message----- From: Chris Richards [mailto:kohntarkosz@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 11:30 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Adrian Belew (and other related matters) <> I REMEMBER THAT ALBUM!!! After reading that article in Guitar Player, I saw that it mentioned Mr Heartbreak in his "selected discography", so when I saw it at the library, I borrowed it. I remember listening to Sharkey's Day, and there's this guitar solo at the beginning of the song that sounds like a circular saw going nuts or something like that. I heard that, and immediately said "THAT's ADRIAN!!!". The other thing that stands out for me about that album is that William S Burroughs did the vocal on the closing song, Sharkey's Night. Well, this is how green I was, I didn't even know who William S Burroughs was!!! I mean, I was all of about 12 or so at the time, but I didn't know the name, and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have known the names of any of his books (not even Naked Lunch or The Soft Machine). So, I'm listening to this track, and I'm picturing an old black guy doing the spoken word thing there! I think that's the only time I've ever heard anything and thought "That guy sounds black!". :-) << A year later, I was interning for Roma Baron on the preproduction of Home of the Brave. Spent most of my days in the studio with that Fender Mustang and the man himself.>> But he had it refinished by then, right? There were two different guitars, both of which, I think were originally painted by the guy who did the cover for Twang Bar King. Then later, he either had another one done, or had at least one of them refinished, because I remember seeing photos of him playing a blue one (the Twang Bar King/Three Of A Perfect Pair guitars were primarily white and black). > Believe it or not MTV actually aired a concert from the Three Of A Perfect Pair tour. Are you thinking of the bizzare "Joan Jet" and friends show? I was shocked when I caught that on MTV. King Crimson opening up for Joan Jett. Will wonders ever cease?>> I have absolutely no recollection of what you're talking about. No, the concert I'm talking about was a video release that Crimson put out called Live In Japan. MTV, basically took, and it edited it down to about an hour (it was originally more like 90 minutes long), cutting out a number of songs, including Red, Larks Tongues pts. 2 and 3 (no, they didn't do part 1), Industry, and Man With A Open Heart. I had no idea they had played these songs on this show until years later, when I bought a bootleg video of the show (before Discipline reissued it) and saw a long set list on the back cover than what was on the video. There's some great "candid" moments at the start of the video, of each band member, Bill Bruford exclaims "The very same jacket that brought you Larks Tongues In Aspic!", and there's also a couple great bits of Adrian getting some VERY sweet sounds from his gear at soundcheck. Anyway, as far as I can remember, MTV aired the Crimson thing as one of the regular Saturday Night Concerts. But come to think of it, I also remember seeing King Crimson on TV on a show on, I think, the Showtime channel. They showed them playing Sleepless and one other song that I didn't know. I remember that's where I first saw Bruford's Simmons electronic drumkit of doom. What he did was, he had a regular Simmons SDS-7 drumkit, and he took five of the pads, and had them set up to mirror his acoustic drum set, so he had two snares (one acoustic, one electronic), I think just three Simmons tom toms (can't remember if he had acoustic toms as well), and a double bass drum rig (one acoustic and one electronic). Then, he had the other seven pads mounted vertically behind him, and he had to stand up to play them (I later read he did that so that audience members could connect movements he made with his hands to the respective sounds that they heard). On this show, though, it seemed like he had way more than seven drum pads mounted behind him. I didn't realize it was only seven until I saw a brochure at a local music store for Simmons, where Bruford explained the setup (this was a four page thing that also had a piece on Cyndi Lauper's drummer, and I think an essay written by some nerd who worked for Simmons, and had a photo of a Simmons rig with like 12 or 13 pads mounted on what looked like synthesizer stands, and it folded out to a huge poster of a drawing of an anonymous drummer playing a similiar over the top Simmons rig). Anyway, as I recall, this show (which as I said, I THINK aired on Showtime, but it might have been HBO instead) would usually show like 2 or 3 bands on each show, so maybe that's where you saw Joan Jett and Crimson on the same show (I have no idea who else was on this show that I saw, I only remember Crimson). Getting back to Belew, any of you guys ever see the Electronic Guitar instructional video he put out around this same time period? We didn't have a VCR back then, and as far as I know, this thing is long out of print, but I so badly wanted to see it. I remember seeing the ads for it on MTV, I think they played a clip of Paint The Road, as Adrian basically plugs the video. I keep my eye out for it on E-bay, but the bids are always up to like 40 bucks!!! :-| ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 12:19:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15103; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:17:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:17:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQpdhx9kgCRcVAsu7yB+t5+0bnlpwIVAKsd7WKMVXT4HpBcgrXVR1xtMQS5 From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 09:16:12 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Adrian Belew (and other related matters) Message-ID: <10951-3D6F9A4C-376@storefull-2355.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "MIKO" 's message of Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:27:08 -0700 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got Laurie Anderson's Mr.Heartbreak through Amazon.com. Bill/ Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 12:56:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17348; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:49:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:49:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.144.160.134] From: "Jonathan Yandel" To: Subject: Re: Popularity/influence/etc. Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:47:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.02.0005.2201 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0003_01C2501A.FF160480" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2002 16:47:13.0408 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4108000:01C25044] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C2501A.FF160480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >The point is that not every show has to be centered around the =20 >self-aggrandization of the musician's ego, as the majority of "rock =20 >concerts" seem to be. Rather, the performance can be an event where the= =20 >artist strives to make himself invisible so that the audience can lose =20 >themselves in the group experience. This type of concert lends itself =20 >poorly to recording and documentation, however, and if it is viewed from= =20 >the outside rather than as an active participant, it's extremely easy to= =20 >judge such an event as 'lackluster'. Very insightful observation, there. Often we concertgoers have certain e= xpectations when we go to shows--it's inevitable, but can take away from = the full experience. This reminds me of one of the most unbelievable per= formances I ever saw in the rock world, Tool. The musicians were complet= ely concentrated on the entire musical performance--i.e., no showboating,= strutting, solos, etc. The music was developed further than the recordi= ngs were, but there were no egotistical "jams". Indeed, Maynard (the voc= alist), was positioned on a platform behind the guitarist and bassist, wi= th very little lighting centered on him. The video show was equally fant= astic and very spiritual, and fully demonstrated the almost Tantric poten= tial that a really good rock band could have. It was quite refreshing. = Also, on a looping note, during a twenty minute buildup before the band t= ook the stage, they blasted one of Fripp's longer soundscapes ("2000" fro= m the album 1999) before leading into some great Tibetan overtone chants. Just thought I'd share the experience you guys... Best, jonathanGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explo= rer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C2501A.FF160480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>The point is= that not every show has to be centered around the
>self-aggrandiz= ation of the musician's ego, as the majority of "rock
>concerts" s= eem to be.  Rather, the performance can be an event where the
&g= t;artist strives to make himself invisible so that the audience can lose =
>themselves in the group experience.  This type of concert le= nds itself
>poorly to recording and documentation, however, and if= it is viewed from
>the outside rather than as an active participa= nt, it's extremely easy to
>judge such an event as 'lackluster'.

Very insightful observation, there.  Often we concertgoers= have certain expectations when we go to shows--it's inevitable, but can = take away from the full experience.  This reminds me of one of the m= ost unbelievable performances I ever saw in the rock world, Tool.  T= he musicians were completely concentrated on the entire musical performan= ce--i.e., no showboating, strutting, solos, etc.  The music was deve= loped further than the recordings were, but there were no egotistical "ja= ms".  Indeed, Maynard (the vocalist), was positioned on a platform b= ehind the guitarist and bassist, with very little lighting centered on hi= m.  The video show was equally fantastic and very spiritual, and ful= ly demonstrated the almost Tantric potential that a really good rock band= could have.  It was quite refreshing.  Also, on a looping note= , during a twenty minute buildup before the band took the stage, they bla= sted one of Fripp's longer soundscapes ("2000" from the album 1999) = before leading into some great Tibetan overtone chants.

Just = thought I'd share the experience you guys...

Best,

jonathan=

 


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------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C2501A.FF160480-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 13:52:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21664; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:51:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:51:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:49:28 -0700 Subject: Repeater ruminations From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick Walker kindly loaned me his Repeater last night for a few hours. I tried putting it through some of its paces and had the following reactions. (Some of this is probably already covered on the list. I apologize for the repetition.) The configuration I was testing was HandSonic into the Repeater with a Mo-FX in the effects loop. * The tempo stretching and pitch shifting is cool, but I didn't feel I would have a lot of use for them other than perhaps using the tempo stretching as a work around for other issues. Pitch shifting just doesn't seem to be my thing. * I felt like the sequences of button presses were at least as complicated as on the EDP, but then again I was playing with multiple tracks. * Threshold/trigger recording is more awkward than on the EDP since you have to explicitly invoke it every time. * Once two tracks are locked together as a stereo pair even erasing the loop seems to leave them locked together. Did I miss something? * What's with this running out of memory after doing lots of overdubs? It's not like it lets one walk back through the overdubs (beyond the single level of undo). So what's it doing with the memory? Did I miss something? * The effects sends are fun, but I might actually shift to just having the Mo-FX connected after the HandSonic and using an EQKiller in the effects send. That may in part be because... * The thing I found most useful was using two tracks to lay down a basic rhythm pattern and then going to the other two tracks, turning the feedback way down, and playing an evolving loop over the static basic loop. To do this with the EDP would take 4 EDPs. * On the other hand, the MIDI clock output problems on the Repeater definitely crimp this process. The best solution I found was to record the basic loop, look at the tempo display, set my HandSonic to send clock at that tempo (as closely as possible), and then sync everything to the HandSonic. That much tweaking rather breaks up the flow. (I didn't actually attempt to reproduce the clocking problems since my goal wasn't to try to find problems. I'm taking people's word for it.) * Another work around might be to record the initial loop onto an EDP and then dump it to the Repeater. I didn't try this because I was trying to minimize the amount of rewiring so I could return Rick's Repeater reasonably promptly. How easy is this to do? It still feels like a kludge but it might be better than the previously described kludge. * Bouncing was a bit more awkward than I would have expected. It works like a tape deck so I shouldn't be too surprised, but what I was really looking for was "print the current data to a track or tracks and erase the other source tracks". What the Repeater does is more powerful, but it's more inconvenient to do what I just described since the erase is a manual follow on step. Also, what happens if you leave Record on for more than one loop length. The manual talks about what happens if you run for less than a loop length. * Even playing mostly percussion sounds, I was able to encounter the issues caused by the Repeater not going straight into overdub mode. * I can believe that you can do a fair amount with the Repeater and a good MIDI foot controller, but it definitely feels more like a hands-on instrument than the EDP. To sum up with some questions (while I decide whether I should try to go track down one of the remaining Repeaters in Santa Cruz or look for a used one or just get an EDP or...): * What's up with the memory limit thing? * Can anyone think of a better approach to maintaining an underlying loop while doing stuff over the top and keeping everything sync'd together? (If the Echo Pro would just send MIDI clock when being used as a looper, it would probably meet my needs in conjunction with the EDP.) * What are people doing in terms of EDP/Repeater interaction, clock sync, etc.? This question keeps coming up, but the answers always seem to be a bit vague. In any event, thanks Rick. Mark P.S. Quite frankly, what I think I really want is a looping savvy OS for my SP-808. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 14:28:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24842; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:25:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:25:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D6FB86A.1EEC9699@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:24:48 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: vinyl emulator References: <280802240.45046@webbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Platter always stays the same. Alex Stahl wrote: > They modeled the inertia really nicely, and even > >>let you set the power of your "motor" so you can control your spin > >>up time. From long to instant. > > > >I can't articulate it better than that. > > I am curious, does the platter have force feedback, such that > changing the "motor power" changes the inertia of the disc (possible > with magnetic braking like a Sony pro VTR jog/shuttle wheel) or does > the platter always have the same nice heavy feel but the audio > response changes? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 14:34:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25414; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:32:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:32:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c25053$534d7cd0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: "Looper's Delight" References: Subject: Re: Repeater ruminations Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:30:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interesting report, Mark. > P.S. Quite frankly, what I think I really want is a looping savvy OS for my > SP-808. Tell me more. I can emulate all kinds of real and imaginary loopers. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 14:34:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25283; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:29:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:29:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D6FB937.9A1A20AF@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:28:13 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Halo References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7MeYID.A.eIG.9k7b9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Really nice track! I can't wait for the album! Marklar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 14:52:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26460; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:45:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:45:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: "it takes two to know one" Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:43:19 -0700 Message-ID: <003201c25055$1c6af8d0$dcfaec0c@ATTBI.COM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <000e01c24e03$612888b0$7987abd4@giow2000> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0aWBO.A.rZG.pz7b9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Think, photons. -----Original Message----- From: luca [mailto:lucafeed@tin.it] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 12:53 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: "it takes two to know one" "It takes two to know one" this sentence is by Gregory Bateson. while reading all this wide posting production, I'm thinking: is maybe looping the possible "other" one to make the two ? luca -------------------------- www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 17:16:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06435; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:14:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:14:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020830203102.54218.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:31:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Repeater ruminations To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Hamburg wrote: > * I felt like the sequences of button presses were at least as > complicated as on the EDP, but then again I was playing with > multiple tracks. Perhaps it depends on your background. Coming from a multitrack recording background, I found the Repeater to be extremely intuitive. I haven't had the opportunity to use an EDP yet. > * Threshold/trigger recording is more awkward than on the EDP since > you have to explicitly invoke it every time. Sounds like a job for your midi controller. > * Once two tracks are locked together as a stereo pair even erasing > the loop seems to leave them locked together. Did I miss something? It remembers the last state you used the tracks in. If it was stereo, it stays stereo (even after you delete the tracks), if it was mono, it stays mono...until you change it. You can select a single track from the stereo pair by holding down the track select for one while you press the other one. > * What's with this running out of memory after doing lots of > overdubs? It's > not like it lets one walk back through the overdubs (beyond the > single level > of undo). So what's it doing with the memory? Did I miss something? It retains one level of overdub, and it uses additional memory for each track. Perhaps you used very close to the memory limit on your initial tracks, so overdubs are pushing the threshold. Are you recording to the internal memory or the CFC? This is one of the more confusing things I've noticed about the unit. If the loop number has a little tick mark next to it, it's on the (very limited size) internal memory. Select a loop number on the CFC (no tick mark next to the loop number in the display) before you start and you shouldn't have memory problems ...well... unless your card is full (or missing). > * Even playing mostly percussion sounds, I was able to encounter the > issues caused by the Repeater not going straight into overdub mode. This has never really bothered me. I guess it's just how you get used to working. Personally, I like to drop it out of record and listen for a minute to decide what I want to add. I guess if I had more of a fixed arrangement, I might want this feature more. > * Can anyone think of a better approach to maintaining an underlying > loop > while doing stuff over the top and keeping everything sync'd > together? I record most of my efx into the loop itself, so it's guitar -> efx -> repeater. I only use the efx loop occasionally. This way I don't need to sync to anything, since whatever needs to be synchronized is already processed and recorded. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 17:50:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08586; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:49:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:49:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.6; T1.001; A1.48; B2.12; Q2.03) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 21:47:39 UT From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Epoch: 1030744060 X-Sasl-enc: Sf0DkSgG5bJ3bVUAYdPbeQ Subject: Re: Popularity/influence/etc. Message-Id: <20020830214739.C679C2FD1D@server3.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:47:19 -0500, "Jonathan Yandel" said: > looping note, during a twenty minute buildup before the band took the > stage, they blasted one of Fripp's longer soundscapes ("2000" from the > album 1999) before leading into some great Tibetan overtone chants. I don't know if it was mentioned back when it happened, but in one show during the KC/Tool tour, Fripp joined Tool onstage and did some soundscaping. Ernesto -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm - the way email *should* be From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 18:15:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11909; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:14:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:14:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:12:20 -0800 Subject: Re: Popularity/influence/etc. From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020830214739.C679C2FD1D@server3.fastmail.fm> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:47:19 -0500, "Jonathan Yandel" > said: >> looping note, during a twenty minute buildup before the band took the >> stage, they blasted one of Fripp's longer soundscapes ("2000" from the >> album 1999) before leading into some great Tibetan overtone chants. > > I don't know if it was mentioned back when it happened, but in one show > during the KC/Tool tour, Fripp joined Tool onstage and did some > soundscaping. > > Ernesto wow brings lots o' people on stage-i got a cd of collaborations on stage w/ the likes of deftones-rage against the machine-tori amos!! and more-i like when a hard rock band throws caution to the wind-most dont! s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 18:17:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12091; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:16:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:16:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:12:38 -0400 To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" From: Tom Ritchford Subject: 8/31: open laboop Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes, we are still continuing to loop to loop continuing to loop on this Labour Day weekend. looping looping looping looping looping as always looping on Saturday looping afternoons looping between 4pm and 8pm, looping (of course, as always). open loop is live looping of live and electronic instruments, looped love live with instruments looping and repeating and looping and voices and guitars and laptops and sequencers and instruments and looping of live music sound looping music. open loop is every Saturday afternoon from 4pm to 8pm at Chama, 332 east 4th street, between c & d, New York City. http://loopNY.com, $2 suggested donation. -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 18:17:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12092; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:16:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:16:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: digiboy@pop-server.nyc.rr.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:27:50 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Mike B (digiboy)" Subject: Re: Repeater ruminations Resent-Message-ID: <3H8qXB.A.s6C.n5-b9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Rick Walker kindly loaned me his Repeater last night for a few hours. I >tried putting it through some of its paces and had the following reactions. >(Some of this is probably already covered on the list. I apologize for the >repetition.) > >The configuration I was testing was HandSonic into the Repeater with a Mo-FX >in the effects loop. Interesting because I also have a handsonic and plan to use it with the repeater. I just got my repeater yesterday and I'm pretty new to looping. I checked into the EDP and it has alot going for it, especially since it has various OS upgrades and options available. I don't see much in the way of OS upgrades or options for the Repeater..are there any? Mine has OS 1.1 What really cinches the Repeater for me is the 4 parallel running tracks. That's a major asset for the kind of work I want to do. Does the EDP have parallel tracks? I downloaded the EDP manual, didn't see any indication of that. In fact the only other loop device I found with more than 2 tracks per loop is that new Roland piece. Am I right? The Roland has a lot of cool features but very limited loop time...all signs lead me back to the Repeater. Your other objections, though valid ones, do not stack up against having 4 tracks to mix, bounce, and dub within a loop. At least for me I'd be curious to hear from you, or anyone here, if there is any other looping type device that gives you 4 or more trackes per loop...and is not some custom made piece. I still have a few days to return the Repeater if I hear about something better but I seriously doubt that I will. Even with my limited "newbie" looping skills, I've been amazed at the sounds I can produce. I haven't tried it with the Handsopnic yet, just using my electric guitar... Thanks, Mike B Mike Berman digiboy@nyc.rr.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 18:24:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12990; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:23:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:23:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:22:07 -0700 From: Andrew Pask Subject: LA CA USA gig spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Www.digitalcutuplounge.com A bit of a weird one this Sunday night. Check this out http://us_asians.tripod.com/event-02sept.html Needless to say, I'll be using the "quick in and out" sized rig. We're going to do a dance set right at the end. Cheers Andrew From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 19:29:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18864; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:28:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:28:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D6FFF3F.31A37998@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 16:27:00 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater ruminations References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Welcome to the world of looping. I'm a Repeater and EDP owner, and when you come right down to it it's a matter of what you're trying to do. The Repeater is the only game in town if you want a multitrack looper that will synch to MIDI. It's REALLY good at synching to MIDI clocks, not so good at having others synch to it. There's a ton of stuff in the recent archive about this. Put a MIDI synchable effect processor in it's effects loop and man oh man can you have some fun. The EDP's strength's like in it's "slice and dice" ability. You can very easily add and delete chunks in a very intuitive manner. I think Mark Hamburg's issues with the Repeater's operation comes from being used to the EDP. I felt the same way when I got the EDP. It didn't feel very intuitive when I wanted to get into it's deeper functions. You really can't spend an evening with either of these boxes and master then. They are too deep. I really thought that when I got my EDP, I'd be so in love that I'd run out and get another to run in stereo, but it didn't happen. I'm glad I have one, but for what I do the Repeater is the main looper for me, without a doubt. Too bad it's gone. One day I'll add another EDP along with a routing system of some sort, and it might become my main looper. I'll still miss the Repeater's time and pitch shifting abilites. Marklar "Mike B (digiboy)" wrote: > >Rick Walker kindly loaned me his Repeater last night for a few hours. I > >tried putting it through some of its paces and had the following reactions. > >(Some of this is probably already covered on the list. I apologize for the > >repetition.) > > > >The configuration I was testing was HandSonic into the Repeater with a Mo-FX > >in the effects loop. > > Interesting because I also have a handsonic and plan to use it with the > repeater. > I just got my repeater yesterday and I'm pretty new to looping. > > I checked into the EDP and it has alot going for it, especially since it > has various OS upgrades and options available. I don't see much in the way > of OS upgrades or options for the Repeater..are there any? Mine has OS 1.1 > > What really cinches the Repeater for me is the 4 parallel running tracks. > That's a major asset for the kind of work I want to do. Does the EDP have > parallel tracks? I downloaded the EDP manual, didn't see any indication of > that. In fact the only other loop device I found with more than 2 tracks > per loop is that new Roland piece. Am I right? The Roland has a lot of > cool features but very limited loop time...all signs lead me back to the > Repeater. > > Your other objections, though valid ones, do not stack up against having > 4 tracks to mix, bounce, and dub within a loop. At least for me > > I'd be curious to hear from you, or anyone here, if there is any other > looping type device that gives you 4 or more trackes per loop...and is not > some custom made piece. > > I still have a few days to return the Repeater if I hear about something > better but I seriously doubt that I will. Even with my limited "newbie" > looping skills, I've been amazed at the sounds I can produce. I haven't > tried it with the Handsopnic yet, just using my electric guitar... > > Thanks, > > Mike B > > Mike Berman > digiboy@nyc.rr.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 20:29:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24958; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 20:28:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 20:28:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:27:07 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater ruminations From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020830203102.54218.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/30/02 1:31 PM, Greg House at ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote: >> * What's with this running out of memory after doing lots of >> overdubs? It's >> not like it lets one walk back through the overdubs (beyond the >> single level >> of undo). So what's it doing with the memory? Did I miss something? > > It retains one level of overdub, and it uses additional memory for each > track. Perhaps you used very close to the memory limit on your initial > tracks, so overdubs are pushing the threshold. > > Are you recording to the internal memory or the CFC? This is one of the > more confusing things I've noticed about the unit. If the loop number > has a little tick mark next to it, it's on the (very limited size) > internal memory. Select a loop number on the CFC (no tick mark next to > the loop number in the display) before you start and you shouldn't have > memory problems ...well... unless your card is full (or missing). This was to the internal memory, but I was able to do several rounds of overdubbing before it hit me with the memory limit, so I don't think it's a matter of the memory being close to exhausted. My question is: Since I can't go back more than one round of overdubbing (as delimited by engaging and disengaging record), why would it eventually run out of memory? Is it consuming additional storage whenever overdubbing while tempo shifted? If so, why? Has anyone else had this happen? Steps to reproduce: * Record a loop at about 96 bpm (or the speed of your choice). * Using an external MIDI source bring it up to 100 bpm. * Now, do repeated overdubs onto various tracks. The only other explanation I can think of is that I might have multiplied the loop out and then been squeaking by on virtual tracks for most of the overdubs. If no one else is seeing this, I'll assume that's the explanation. (Wow. The internal memory really doesn't go very far when dealing with 4 track loops. I hadn't used the CFC because I was trying to have minimal impact on Rick's Repeater.) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 20:45:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26148; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 20:44:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 20:44:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:43:02 -0700 Subject: SP-808 ruminations (was Re: Repeater ruminations) From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001601c25053$534d7cd0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/30/02 11:30 AM, Dennis Leas at dennis@mail.worldserver.com wrote: >> P.S. Quite frankly, what I think I really want is a looping savvy OS for > my >> SP-808. > > Tell me more. I can emulate all kinds of real and imaginary loopers. How much do you know about the SP-808. Short summary, it's a big phrase sampler with some nice built-in effects. What I wish for in a "loop savvy OS". I haven't worked through the design details of all of this, but from the standpoint of a multitrack looper, it feels like the 808's feature set ought to be able to go further than the Repeater's (though Roland didn't do so). * Record --> Overdub behavior when recording. In other words, give me an easy way to build up a loop. * Smart quantized recording (like the EDP) -- i.e., make my loop be a reasonable length based on the tempo * The ability to record without recording the sounds being produced by the currently playing samples -- unless I want to be resampling. (This is an issue with the 808 in general.) * Saving a recorded loop should transfer playing to that pad so that the sound remains seamless. For example, I might hit record to start recording (or put it into threshold mode), hit record again to set the loop length and start overdubbing, and then hit a pad to end the recording entirely and transfer the loop onto a pad. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 22:23:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02233; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:21:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:21:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c25094$969f4f40$71e35cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #284 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:16:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <4UZRPC.A.Lg.DgCc9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #284 August 29, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Hemisphere, a band from Germany known for dark electronic ambient excursions. The Featured CD at midnight was "Attachment X" on the Groove label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Gandharva" by Beaver and Krause on the Warner Brothers label. I played the music of Rudy Adrian who will be playing at the next Gathering. Hemisphere http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#aug Gathering http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Beaver and Krause Walkin' Gandharva (Warner Bros.) Tangerine Dream Velvet Sun Tang-go (TDI) Ian Boddy Ecliptic Aurora (DiN) James Johnson The Citadel The Butterfly Chamber (Hypnos) Roedelius Ponte Introspection (Horizon) Navigator Secret of the Cave Oceanic Empire (Groove) Rudy Adrian Venus - the Clouded Starfields (Groove) Sphere Brent Reiland and Traveler Wormholes (Solarwind) John Lyell 12:00 am Hemisphere Point One Attachment X (Groove) Hemisphere Point Two Attachment X (Groove) Hemisphere Point Three Attachment X (Groove) Hemisphere Point Four Attachment X (Groove) Hemisphere Point Five Attachment X (Groove) Hemisphere Point Six Attachment X (Groove) Hemisphere Point Seven Attachment X (Groove) Hemisphere Point Eight Attachment X (Groove) Hemisphere Point Nine Attachment X (Groove) Hemisphere Point Ten Attachment X (Groove) Hemisphere Point Eleven Attachment X (Groove) Hemisphere Point Twelve * Attachment X (Groove) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Rudy Adrian to celebrate this New Zealander's visit to the US. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Concerts in New Zealand" on the Quantum label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Gandharva" by Beaver and Krause on the Warner Brothers label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiy.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 22:38:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03384; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:37:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:37:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c25096$d2769b20$71e35cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Monthly Top 20 Report for August, 2002 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:33:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 report to New Age Voice and CD Revolutions for August, 2002. Shows #280 to #284; 1-August-2002 to 29-August-2002 Reported in non-ranked order. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net CONTACT: billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ============================ Asmus Tiechens and vidnaObmana - The Shifts Recyclings - Soleilmoon Bjorn Lynne - Colony - none Brent Reiland and John Lyell - Wormholes - Solarwind The Circular Ruins - Realm of Possibility - Databloem Frank Van Bogaert - Human - Groove Hemisphere - Attachment X - Groove Hemisphere - Intruders - Groove Hemisphere - Inversion - Groove Hemisphere - Liquid Mirror - Groove Hemisphere - NOW - Groove Ian Boddy - Aurora - DiN James Johnson - The Butterfly Chamber - Hypnos Klangwelt - Weltweit - Spheric Matt Borghi - Elegy for Time - Space for Music Navigator - Oceanic Empire - Groove Ricochet Musos - Okefenokee Dreams 2001 - Neu Harmony and Groove Roedelius - Introspection - Horizon Rudy Adrian - Starfields - Groove Steve Roach and Jeffrey Fayman - Trance Spirits - Projekt Various Artists - The Gatherings - Synkronos Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiy.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 23:28:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07236; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 23:27:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 23:27:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: <7a.2c3d82f0.2aa19127@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 23:25:27 EDT Subject: Re: EMUSIC Monthly Top 20 Report for August, 2002 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7a.2c3d82f0.2aa19127_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_7a.2c3d82f0.2aa19127_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: Wannadu Music--Jazz, Flamenco, and Guitar Music and Production Wayne Wesley Johnson...Dates At a Glance! Other performance dates pending! Much of Wayne's time is being spent in the studio on various recording projects (see What's New) Click here: Wannadu - What's New and with local performances, near his new home in Santa Fe, New Mexico. Mark your calendars...... Internationally recognized...Recording Artist / Songwriter / Producer Virtuoso New Jersey born, now a Santa Fe resident guitarist...Wayne Wesley Johnson , guitarist and former drummer with guitar greats, Les Paul and Nokie Edwards (The Ventures), sometimes teams with Spanish guitarist, Ruben Romero of Santa Fe, New Mexico with whom he produced and recorded three "World Class Guitar Music" CDs. The duo has sold nearly 70,000 CDs of "Flamenco Festival," Flamenco Flavors" and "Hypnotic Safari" over the past two years, and their music has been aired on over 400 radio stations and in over 40 different countries. Wayne's new debut solo album "Canciones del alma" (Songs from the Soul) is soon to be released on his artist owned Wannadu label, and his performances include original tunes from his new release and some from his previous recordings along with some familiar standards. A message from Dr. Mark Pritcher, CAAS PresidentAs President of the Chet Atkins Appreciation Society it is my pleasure to recommend Wayne Wesley Johnson as a fine guitarist and a fine entertainer. He has performed at our annual convention for over five years in Nashville, Tennessee. He is accomplished in several styles of music, including jazz, flamenco, and thumbstyle playing in the Atkins/Travis style. His unique compositions combine the worlds of jazz and flamenco. I hope you have an opportunity soon to invite Wayne Wesley Johnson to perform his music for you. Mark Pritcher July 4-5 Nokie Festival , Eugene, Oregon http://www.nokie@nokieedwards.org/ July 10-13 CAAS Chet Atkins Appreciation Society, Sheraton Music City Hotel, Nashville, Tn. Once again, Wayne rejoins the world's finest guitarists for the annual week long tribute to the late "Mr. Guitar" Chet Atkins. Open to the public...fees charged at the door or in advance...become a CAAS member, Contact Dr. Mark Pritcher email: GMPJR1@aol.com for details and information about this event. July 18-21 NAAM International Music Products Association conference and trade show, Nashville Convention Center, TN. Wayne is an endorsee for several instrument manufacturers...Ultrasound, Budda, GHS Strings, B-Band, Heritage, Godin, Sabine and others. Look for Wayne in many of these booths. August 7, Eldorado Hotel Santa Fe, NM Solo Guitar and with Miguel Romero & Roberto Gonzalez 6-10 p.m. 309 West San Francisco Street ~ Santa Fe ~ New Mexico ~ 87501 800-286-6755 ~ 505-988-4455 ~ 505-995-4555 fax August 8, BTO Custom Events, Santa Fe, NM Solo Guitar 5:30-7:30 P.M. by invitation August 8, Los Mayas 409 W.Water St. Santa Fe, NM 505.986.9930 evening guest appearance August 10, Jackalope with Ruben Romero & Roberto Gonzalez 12-3 p.m. 2820 Cerrillos Road, Santa Fe, NM 87505 Telephone: (505) 471-8539 Directions: From Albuquerque, take I-25 north to Santa Fe. Take exit 278 onto Cerrillos Road North. Go approximately 4 miles just past the intersection of Siler Road. Jackalope is on the right. August 12, Taos Inn, Taos N.M., with Ruben Romero & Carlos Guzman 125 Paseo del Pueblo Norte, Taos, NM 87571 www.taosinn.com 505.758.2233 fax: 505.758.5776 Email: taosinn@newmex.com August 16 Keystone, CO Private function with Ruben Romero August 17 Eldorado Hotel, Santa Fe, NM with Ruben & Miguel Romero 8:30-11:30 p.m. 309 West San Francisco Street ~ Santa Fe ~ New Mexico ~ 87501 800-286-6755 ~ 505-988-4455 ~ 505-995-4555 fax August 21 Eldorado Hotel, Santa Fe, NM with Miguel Romero & Roberto Gonzalez 6:00- 10:00 p.m. 309 West San Francisco Street ~ Santa Fe ~ New Mexico ~ 87501 800-286-6755 ~ 505-988-4455 ~ 505-995-4555 fax August 23, KSFR 90.7 FM Santa Fe Public Radio www.ksfr.org On Air Interview with Diego Mulligan on "The Journey Home" 4:00- 5:00 p.m. August 23, Fenn Galleries, Santa Fe, NM private function 5:30 - 7:30 August 24 Eldorado Hotel, Santa Fe, NM with Ruben & Miguel Romero 8:30-11:30 p.m. 309 West San Francisco Street ~ Santa Fe ~ New Mexico ~ 87501 800-286-6755 ~ 505-988-4455 ~ 505-995-4555 fax August 25 Guadalajara Grill, Santa Fe, NM with pianist Carlos Almeida August 31 Eldorado Hotel, Santa Fe, NM with Ruben & Miguel Romero 8:30-11:30 p.m. 309 West San Francisco Street ~ Santa Fe ~ New Mexico ~ 87501 800-286-6755 ~ 505-988-4455 ~ 505-995-4555 fax September 7 private event in Colorado September 14 private event in Las Vegas, NM September 21 Eldorado Hotel, Santa Fe, NM with Ruben & Miguel Romero 8:30-11:30 p.m. 309 West San Francisco Street ~ Santa Fe ~ New Mexico ~ 87501 800-286-6755 ~ 505-988-4455 ~ 505-995-4555 fax September 28 Eldorado Hotel, Santa Fe, NM with Ruben & Miguel Romero 8:30-11:30 p.m. 309 West San Francisco Street ~ Santa Fe ~ New Mexico ~ 87501 800-286-6755 ~ 505-988-4455 ~ 505-995-4555 fax For booking information: E-mail: Wjguitar@aol.com Phone: 505.466.8700 Fax: 505.466.8702 Mail: Wannadu, L.L.C. 7 Avenida Vista Grande # 260 Santa Fe, NM 87508-9198 website: http://wannadu.com Best Regards, Wayne Wesley Johnson Wannadu, LLC 7 Avenida Vista Grande #-260 Santa Fe, NM 87508 phone: 505.466.8700 fax: 505.466.8702 email: Wjguitar@aol.com or WannaduLLC@aol.com website: http://wannadu.com --part1_7a.2c3d82f0.2aa19127_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: Wannadu Music--Jazz, Flamenco, and Guitar Music and Production

Wayne Wesley Johnson...Dates At a Glance!    Other performance dates pending! 

Much of Wayne's time is being spent in the studio on various recording projects (see What's New)   Click here: Wannadu - What's New  and with local performances, near his new home in Santa Fe, New Mexico.

Mark your calendars......

Internationally recognized...Recording Artist / Songwriter / Producer  Virtuoso New Jersey born, now a Santa Fe resident guitarist...Wayne Wesley Johnson , guitarist and former drummer with guitar greats, Les Paul and Nokie Edwards (The Ventures),   sometimes teams with Spanish  guitarist, Ruben Romero of Santa Fe, New Mexico with whom he produced and recorded three "World Class Guitar Music" CDs. The duo has sold nearly 70,000 CDs of "Flamenco Festival," Flamenco Flavors" and "Hypnotic Safari" over the past two years, and their music has been aired on over 400 radio stations and in over 40 different countries.  Wayne's new debut solo album "Canciones del alma" (Songs from the Soul) is soon to be released on his artist owned Wannadu label, and his performances include original tunes from his new release and some from his previous recordings along with some familiar standards. 

A message from Dr. Mark Pritcher, CAAS PresidentAs President of the Chet Atkins Appreciation Society it is my pleasure to recommend Wayne Wesley Johnson as a fine guitarist and a fine entertainer. He has performed at our annual convention for over five years in Nashville, Tennessee. He is accomplished in several styles of music, including jazz, flamenco, and thumbstyle playing in the Atkins/Travis style. His unique compositions combine the worlds of jazz and flamenco. I hope you have an opportunity soon to invite Wayne Wesley Johnson to perform his music for you.  Mark Pritcher

July 4-5 Nokie Festival , Eugene, Oregon http://www.nokie@nokieedwards.org/

July 10-13 CAAS Chet Atkins Appreciation Society, Sheraton Music City Hotel, Nashville, Tn. Once again, Wayne rejoins the world's finest guitarists for the annual week long tribute to the late "Mr. Guitar" Chet Atkins. Open to the public...fees charged at the door or in advance...become a CAAS member, Contact Dr. Mark Pritcher email: GMPJR1@aol.com for details and information about this event.

July 18-21 NAAM International Music Products Association conference and trade show, Nashville Convention Center, TN. Wayne is an endorsee for several instrument manufacturers...Ultrasound, Budda, GHS Strings, B-Band, Heritage, Godin, Sabine and others. Look for Wayne in many of these booths.

August 7, Eldorado Hotel  Santa Fe, NM  Solo Guitar and with Miguel Romero & Roberto Gonzalez  6-10 p.m.  309 West San Francisco Street ~ Santa Fe ~ New Mexico ~ 87501
800-286-6755 ~ 505-988-4455 ~ 505-995-4555 fax

August 8,  BTO Custom Events, Santa Fe, NM  Solo Guitar 5:30-7:30 P.M. by invitation

August 8,  Los Mayas     409 W.Water St. Santa Fe, NM  505.986.9930  evening guest appearance

August 10,  Jackalope   with Ruben Romero & Roberto Gonzalez  12-3 p.m.
2820 Cerrillos Road, Santa Fe, NM 87505 Telephone: (505) 471-8539  Directions: From Albuquerque, take I-25 north to Santa Fe. Take exit 278 onto Cerrillos Road North. Go approximately 4 miles just past the intersection of Siler Road.   Jackalope is on the right. 


August 12,  Taos Inn, Taos N.M.,   with Ruben Romero & Carlos Guzman
125 Paseo del Pueblo Norte, Taos, NM 87571
www.taosinn.com   505.758.2233   fax: 505.758.5776  Email:  taosinn@newmex.com

August 16  Keystone, CO  Private function with Ruben Romero 

August 17  Eldorado Hotel,  Santa Fe, NM  with Ruben & Miguel Romero  8:30-11:30 p.m.
309 West San Francisco Street ~ Santa Fe ~ New Mexico ~ 87501
800-286-6755 ~ 505-988-4455 ~ 505-995-4555 fax

August 21  Eldorado Hotel,  Santa Fe, NM  with  Miguel Romero & Roberto Gonzalez  6:00- 10:00 p.m.
309 West San Francisco Street ~ Santa Fe ~ New Mexico ~ 87501
800-286-6755 ~ 505-988-4455 ~ 505-995-4555 fax

August 23,  KSFR 90.7 FM  Santa Fe Public Radio    www.ksfr.org   
On Air Interview with Diego Mulligan on "The Journey Home"  4:00- 5:00 p.m.

August 23,  Fenn Galleries, Santa Fe,  NM private function  5:30 - 7:30

August 24  Eldorado Hotel,  Santa Fe, NM  with  Ruben & Miguel Romero  8:30-11:30 p.m.
309 West San Francisco Street ~ Santa Fe ~ New Mexico ~ 87501
800-286-6755 ~ 505-988-4455 ~ 505-995-4555 fax

August 25  Guadalajara Grill,  Santa Fe, NM  with pianist Carlos Almeida

August 31  Eldorado Hotel,  Santa Fe, NM  with Ruben & Miguel Romero  8:30-11:30 p.m.
309 West San Francisco Street ~ Santa Fe ~ New Mexico ~ 87501
800-286-6755 ~ 505-988-4455 ~ 505-995-4555 fax

September 7    private event in Colorado

September 14  private event in Las Vegas, NM

September 21  Eldorado Hotel,  Santa Fe, NM  with Ruben & Miguel Romero  8:30-11:30 p.m.  309 West San Francisco Street ~ Santa Fe ~ New Mexico ~ 87501
800-286-6755 ~ 505-988-4455 ~ 505-995-4555 fax

September 28  Eldorado Hotel,  Santa Fe, NM  with Ruben & Miguel Romero  8:30-11:30 p.m.   309 West San Francisco Street ~ Santa Fe ~ New Mexico ~ 87501
800-286-6755 ~ 505-988-4455 ~ 505-995-4555 fax

For booking information:

E-mail: Wjguitar@aol.com
Phone: 505.466.8700  Fax: 505.466.8702
Mail:
Wannadu, L.L.C.
7 Avenida Vista Grande # 260
Santa Fe, NM 87508-9198
website:  http://wannadu.com




Best Regards,
Wayne Wesley Johnson

Wannadu, LLC
7 Avenida Vista Grande #-260
Santa Fe, NM 87508

phone: 505.466.8700

fax: 505.466.8702

email: Wjguitar@aol.com   or  WannaduLLC@aol.com
website:  http://wannadu.com










--part1_7a.2c3d82f0.2aa19127_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 30 23:30:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07557; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 23:29:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 23:29:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: <35.2c299e9c.2aa191dc@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 23:28:28 EDT Subject: Sorry Gang To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_35.2c299e9c.2aa191dc_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_35.2c299e9c.2aa191dc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Didn't mean to send that performance schedule to all on the list...was intended primarily for EMusic. Didn't realize it until it was "sent." My apologies for the SPAM Best Regards, Wayne Wesley Johnson Wannadu, LLC 7 Avenida Vista Grande #-260 Santa Fe, NM 87508 phone: 505.466.8700 fax: 505.466.8702 email: Wjguitar@aol.com or WannaduLLC@aol.com website: http://wannadu.com --part1_35.2c299e9c.2aa191dc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Didn't mean to send that performance schedule to all on the list...was intended primarily for EMusic.  Didn't realize it until it was "sent."  My apologies for the SPAM

Best Regards,
Wayne Wesley Johnson

Wannadu, LLC
7 Avenida Vista Grande #-260
Santa Fe, NM 87508

phone: 505.466.8700

fax: 505.466.8702

email: Wjguitar@aol.com   or  WannaduLLC@aol.com
website:  http://wannadu.com


 --part1_35.2c299e9c.2aa191dc_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 31 01:39:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15702; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 01:37:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 01:37:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Sender: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Roland PK-5 as Echoplex Controller Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:35:27 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c250b0$3b2bfd40$b0d6f343@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <2LOqbD.A.syD.eXFc9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Shake off those dark thoughts with gear acquisition! I just got these MIDI bass pedals (used, on eBay) to use for a variety of live performance situations (I gotta get a gig!) but especially for live looping, and I have good news for Echoplex Digital Pro users. It's possible to program an octave of note on/offs on their "sound effects" bank on any MIDI channel, in addition to the octave of mono bass and polyphonic bass and also drum banks (one ROM, one RAM), each bank selectable with a dedicated switch. So with thirteen notes, you can control all the front panel functions and any of the DirectMIDI stuff you like. There is also the ability to send Program changes on any channel and two banks of control changes (one ROM, one RAM), so you could control volume and feedback as well as sending CC6 for data wheel stuff (it just sends a value on a given CC--so this isn't real flexible). I love my PMC-10, but they make crappy bass pedals, so I was please to find out just how programmable this unit was (comes with typically cryptic Roland Engrish manual). It can be powered by batteries as well as AC and, yes, it's velocity sensitive! Here's some links for more info: http://www.rolandus.com/specs_brochures/PK5FX.pdf http://www.harmony-central.com/Synth/Data/Roland/PK-5-Pedal-Keyboard-01.html Best news of all, it's still in production . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 31 02:19:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19611; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 02:19:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 02:19:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007001c250b6$fa55eb80$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <20020830203102.54218.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Compact Flash Card for Repeater Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 02:23:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop016.verizon.net from [151.203.202.34] using ID at Sat, 31 Aug 2002 01:17:22 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <_YKiTC.A.LvE.S-Fc9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What's the scoop CFC's for the repeater? I see a few mentions that some CFC's aren't so Repeater-Friendly. Is there a recomended brand/size CFC for the Repeater. Is 512MB the maximum size? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 31 02:33:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20247; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 02:26:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 02:26:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020831002657.008a8a20@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 00:26:57 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Repeater ruminations In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <2R0WLB.A.h5E.bFGc9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, just out of curiocity, did you run out of memory, or just read that it can happen in the manual? I'm asking because I was pretty alarmed by this while reading about it, but it seems to be a case of bad writing. I spoke with Jamie at Electrix while Electrix was still Electrix, lol! and he said that it's basically that if you don't have enough space in the unit or on a card to record one more loop, (stereo or mono) that the unit would count down while you were recording that loop. He said overdubbing only uses the memory required for the current loop being recorded, and just keeps adding new data, so as long as you initially had enough for that new loop, you wouldn't be using up more memory as you went along, and thusly, wouldn't run out while overdubbing. Anyway, best of luck in your decision. Have a great weekend!... Smiles, CQ At 10:49 AM 8/30/02 -0700, you wrote: >Rick Walker kindly loaned me his Repeater last night for a few hours. I >tried putting it through some of its paces and had the following reactions. >(Some of this is probably already covered on the list. I apologize for the >repetition.) > >The configuration I was testing was HandSonic into the Repeater with a Mo-FX >in the effects loop. > >* The tempo stretching and pitch shifting is cool, but I didn't feel I would >have a lot of use for them other than perhaps using the tempo stretching as >a work around for other issues. Pitch shifting just doesn't seem to be my >thing. > >* I felt like the sequences of button presses were at least as complicated >as on the EDP, but then again I was playing with multiple tracks. > >* Threshold/trigger recording is more awkward than on the EDP since you have >to explicitly invoke it every time. > >* Once two tracks are locked together as a stereo pair even erasing the loop >seems to leave them locked together. Did I miss something? > >* What's with this running out of memory after doing lots of overdubs? It's >not like it lets one walk back through the overdubs (beyond the single level >of undo). So what's it doing with the memory? Did I miss something? > >* The effects sends are fun, but I might actually shift to just having the >Mo-FX connected after the HandSonic and using an EQKiller in the effects >send. That may in part be because... > >* The thing I found most useful was using two tracks to lay down a basic >rhythm pattern and then going to the other two tracks, turning the feedback >way down, and playing an evolving loop over the static basic loop. To do >this with the EDP would take 4 EDPs. > >* On the other hand, the MIDI clock output problems on the Repeater >definitely crimp this process. The best solution I found was to record the >basic loop, look at the tempo display, set my HandSonic to send clock at >that tempo (as closely as possible), and then sync everything to the >HandSonic. That much tweaking rather breaks up the flow. > >(I didn't actually attempt to reproduce the clocking problems since my goal >wasn't to try to find problems. I'm taking people's word for it.) > >* Another work around might be to record the initial loop onto an EDP and >then dump it to the Repeater. I didn't try this because I was trying to >minimize the amount of rewiring so I could return Rick's Repeater reasonably >promptly. How easy is this to do? It still feels like a kludge but it might >be better than the previously described kludge. > >* Bouncing was a bit more awkward than I would have expected. It works like >a tape deck so I shouldn't be too surprised, but what I was really looking >for was "print the current data to a track or tracks and erase the other >source tracks". What the Repeater does is more powerful, but it's more >inconvenient to do what I just described since the erase is a manual follow >on step. Also, what happens if you leave Record on for more than one loop >length. The manual talks about what happens if you run for less than a loop >length. > >* Even playing mostly percussion sounds, I was able to encounter the issues >caused by the Repeater not going straight into overdub mode. > >* I can believe that you can do a fair amount with the Repeater and a good >MIDI foot controller, but it definitely feels more like a hands-on >instrument than the EDP. > >To sum up with some questions (while I decide whether I should try to go >track down one of the remaining Repeaters in Santa Cruz or look for a used >one or just get an EDP or...): > >* What's up with the memory limit thing? > >* Can anyone think of a better approach to maintaining an underlying loop >while doing stuff over the top and keeping everything sync'd together? (If >the Echo Pro would just send MIDI clock when being used as a looper, it >would probably meet my needs in conjunction with the EDP.) > >* What are people doing in terms of EDP/Repeater interaction, clock sync, >etc.? This question keeps coming up, but the answers always seem to be a bit >vague. > >In any event, thanks Rick. > >Mark > >P.S. Quite frankly, what I think I really want is a looping savvy OS for my >SP-808. > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 31 02:43:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA21282; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 02:42:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 02:42:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 23:40:52 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater ruminations From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020831002657.008a8a20@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-HO6QD.A.zJF.WUGc9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was actually hitting the limit -- i.e., getting the countdown. My guess now is that I multiplied the loop and was getting by on virtual multiplies for a while for some of the tracks and after I expanded them to the full loop length I was then out of space. Mark on 8/30/02 11:26 PM, Goddess at thefates@earthlink.net wrote: > Mark, just out of curiocity, did you run out of memory, or just read that > it can happen in the manual? I'm asking because I was pretty alarmed by > this while reading about it, but it seems to be a case of bad writing. I > spoke with Jamie at Electrix while Electrix was still Electrix, lol! and > he said that it's basically that if you don't have enough space in the unit > or on a card to record one more loop, (stereo or mono) that the unit would > count down while you were recording that loop. He said overdubbing only > uses the memory required for the current loop being recorded, and just > keeps adding new data, so as long as you initially had enough for that new > loop, you wouldn't be using up more memory as you went along, and thusly, > wouldn't run out while overdubbing. > Anyway, best of luck in your decision. Have a great weekend!... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 31 03:01:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23640; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 03:00:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 03:00:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: more about promo Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:39:22 -0500 Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CFF9@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: more about promo Thread-Index: AcJOwk7TCQIQqrqhEdaKWQDQt1TfNg== From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "Looper's Delight (E-mail)" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id CAA23415 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey y'all, don't know if any of you do this . . . if you want to promote the looping machines (helping out your fave software/engineering genies) or looping in general, you can always decide to thank the makers/designers explicitly on your recordings . . . or include a little testimonial about loopage or what have you. fer instance, i have always thanked or said i use certain items or thanked certain people for their technology **even though i do not have an endorsement deal of any nature with them** - - i do it merely because i believed in their work and wanted to help spread the word about what they do. i believe in supporting these smaller guys . . . anyway, just a thought, stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 31 03:48:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26378; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 03:47:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 03:47:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 00:45:27 -0800 Subject: loop what? From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com doncha just hate it when a word becomes part of a terminology or way of doing thangs and then someone goes and uses it for something totally different? http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=1211015 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 31 05:44:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA02929; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 05:44:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 05:44:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:41:47 +0200 Subject: Re: Repeater ruminations Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, August 31, 2002, at 08:40 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > My guess now is that I multiplied the loop and was getting by on virtual > multiplies for a while for some of the tracks and after I expanded them > to > the full loop length I was then out of space. I've ran into the same probs using the internal memory. Its when you expand tracks (so that they are virtual), then try to record overdubs... the tracks change from virtual to physical, and its not uncommon to run out of space :( The only way around this is to buy a big CFC card. -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 31 07:01:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA08219; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 07:00:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 07:00:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006801c250dd$bf705600$6f514ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Looper's Delight \(E-mail\)" References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CFF9@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: more about promo Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:01:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > don't know if any of you do this . . . > > if you want to promote the looping machines (helping out your fave software/engineering genies) or looping in general, you can always decide to thank the makers/designers explicitly on your recordings . . . or include a little testimonial about loopage or what have you.<< I make a point of listing all the gear I use on a CD, partly because it breaks down some of the 'how'd he do that?' barriers, and gives people who are inclined that way a little more of an insight into what I'm doing. Particularly as with looping, the boxes you've got with considerably influence the kind of things you can do... I've got quite a few things on my upcoming solo album that just wouldn't be possible without the EDP, and the bass stuff on 'Conversations' would be unthinkable without a DL4 (even the Echo Pro couldn't acheive it)... cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 31 08:52:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA14114; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:51:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:51:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: digiboy@pop-server.nyc.rr.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:03:31 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Mike B (digiboy)" Subject: To repeat, or not to repeat.... Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I sort of asked this within the "ruminations" thread but maybe not everyone is reading that so I will "repeat" my question. My main interest in the Repeater is that it can record 4 tracks per loop with the ability to mix and bounce those tracks. I'm just curious to know if there is any other loop hardware that runs 4 or more simultaneous parallel tracks like the Repeater. The only other options I found were either software, custom made super expensive, or doing things like stacking EDP's synched together. What about this new Roland MC09 phrase sampler? I cut my research short when I realized the Repeater was a discontinued item and picked one up while I had the chance. Anything I missed? Thanks Great list, y'all have been a huge help. Mike B Mike Berman digiboy@nyc.rr.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 31 10:29:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21187; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 10:28:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 10:28:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c250fa$c19049a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: loop what? Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:29:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <8sz8uD.A.mHF.yHNc9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As in Effects Loop... Interesting - I wonder which use of "loop" came first... I'm betting that "effects loop", or at least "audio processing loop" came before the concept of looping X seconds of audio. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Card" To: Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 3:45 AM Subject: loop what? > > doncha just hate it when a word becomes part of a terminology or way of > doing thangs and then someone goes and uses it for something totally > different? > http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=1211015 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 31 10:34:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21652; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 10:33:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 10:33:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 16:32:23 +0200 Subject: OT Spam: My first video? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <76D65010-BCEE-11D6-8D0D-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Its in Windows Media format... and is the first movie of a performance that I have ever seen. Someone sent me the file this morning http://mapage.noos.fr/solostringvid/plage.asf (8MB) - from the last Friday at Paris Plage. I have OSX, and the file does not play well on my computer. Does anyone know of a way to convert this file to mpg or some friendlier format? -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 31 10:42:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22176; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 10:41:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 10:41:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020831093644.021de200@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:39:06 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Duke Sexton Subject: Re: loop what? In-Reply-To: <001f01c250fa$c19049a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:29 AM 8/31/2002 -0500, Doug Cox wrote: >As in Effects Loop... Interesting - I wonder which use of "loop" came >first... I'm betting that "effects loop", or at least "audio processing >loop" came before the concept of looping X seconds of audio. Ah, but which of these two came first: "effects loop" or "tape loop"? -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 31 12:03:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29242; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:02:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:02:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:58:56 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: loop what? In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: <1zgUDC.A.GDH.lgOc9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:45 AM -0800 8/31/02, Stan Card wrote: >doncha just hate it when a word becomes part of a terminology or way of >doing thangs and then someone goes and uses it for something totally >different? Except in this case an "effects loop" has been standard terminology for decades. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 31 12:03:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29261; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:02:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:02:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:00:37 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: loop what? In-reply-to: <001f01c250fa$c19049a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <001f01c250fa$c19049a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:29 AM -0500 8/31/02, Doug Cox wrote: >As in Effects Loop... Interesting - I wonder which use of "loop" came >first... I'm betting that "effects loop", or at least "audio processing >loop" came before the concept of looping X seconds of audio. Tapes loops have been in use since the 1950s. Effects loops somewhat later. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 31 13:11:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02672; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 13:10:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 13:10:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 19:09:34 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: I am busy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry friends, I am busy with traveling and caring for the EDP plus to come, so I could not follow up our interesting discussion But "action plan" was read and answered at Gibson and they are willing to support our activity! So in about a week, I will be back in Brasil and this will be my first priority... something great may come up! till then, keep up Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 31 14:47:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13194; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:46:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:46:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:45:05 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater ruminations From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/31/02 2:41 AM, Stuart Wyatt at stuart@solostring.com wrote: > The only way around this is to buy a big CFC card. Which probably puts the price point at the same point as the EDP or higher. (What size card does the Repeater come with?) What I want is a stereo looper that I can use to capture an underlying "pulse" loop (e.g., some simple percussion) which I can then build on using other loopers (generally with much lower feedback values). The pulse looper is the logical one to send out clock to the rest of the system. It would be nice if the pulse looper supported going straight into overdub, but I think I can function without that. My options at roughly the same price point appear to be: * Repeater. Actually gets me 4 tracks as opposed to just stereo. Maybe a little more intelligent than the EDP about deciding what the tempo is -- i.e., it doesn't just take the loop length and divide by a beat count. On the other hand, it has problems with the clock signal it sends. * EDP. Mono. I may have to monkey with the beats per cycle setting after recording. But the clock is reliable and it does do the record into overdub trick. Both units support multiplication which is a nice plus. Both units have threshold recording which is a very good plus. I'm not giving the Repeater credit for tempo and pitch shifting but I'm also not giving the EDP credit for things like insert since those features don't matter all that much for this use. If I could live with short loop times (5 seconds), I might be able to make a D-2 or DL8000R meet my needs for less money than either of them, but I don't think either of those has threshold recording which means I have to hit both the start and the loop point. Short story: I probably should have grabbbed a Repeater when they were available for sub-$500 and worked around it's issues. Now that the price is more closely matched, I'm having to think harder about the tradeoffs. Mark P.S. I think this has made it clearer to me that I'd pretty readily spring for a $1000 stereo EDP but $1300 just feels too rich. P.P.S. Of course, it would probably also be easier to do any of this if I didn't have a wife looking at me and saying "How much is that?" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 31 15:56:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19629; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 15:55:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 15:55:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003a01c25129$21425720$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Planet Of The Loops Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 16:01:00 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . September 3rd - Planet Of The Loops This edition of the Planet Of The Loops' bi­monthly looping series features Derek Andrew Orford (Thin Buckle, Look People) and Andrew Aldridge (Sarah Slean, Kathryn Rose) on guitars, treatments and (of course) loops. If the word "Frippertronics" means something to you - don't miss this episode of The Planet's looping improv series. The Planet - http://www.geocities.com/energymadeaudible/planet.html More info on Derek Andrew Orford's musical (and political) activities can be found on Kevin Hearn's site: http://www.kevinhearn.com Andrew A.- http://www.geocities.com/energymadeaudible/homepage.html Between Sets CD - "Evening Star" by Fripp & Eno (Editions EG) Speaking of "Frippertronics", this 1975 collaboration between Robert Fripp and Brian Eno (who introduced Fripp to the tape looping system he later dubbed "Frippertronics") displays the delicate ambient side of looping on side 1 (which we'll hear) and the dense, aggressive side on side 2's "An Index Of Metals" (which we'll hear a bit of). Fripp - http://www.elephant-talk.com Eno - http://music.hyperreal.org/artists/brian_eno . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the PiNG THiNGS ambient/experimental CD boutique. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday Sept. 10th - Wally Jericho & Michael Rockwood James Johnson's Sept. 10th show has had to be rescheduled for November. The good news - Wally Jericho *will* be performing and will be joined by fellow looper Michael Rockwood, who has not graced the Ping's stage since the 2nd Anniversary show. It's a night of electro-acoustic explorations with a passion for the sweet spots as guitarist/loopist Michael Rockwood joins the mighty Wally Jericho on trumpet, bass, samples and loops. Both artists are expert with "Boomerang" looping devices in creating floating ambience and thoughtful walls of sonic goo. Wally Jericho - http://www.wallyjericho.com Mike Rockwood - http://www.theambientping.com/rockwood/rockwood.htm Between Sets CD - "Linger" by James Johnson James will be here tonight *virtually* as we feature a CD recorded live in Toronto in 2000 at The Ambient Ping, sound:escape and dreamSTATE's Sunspot Studio. http://www.zeromusic.net . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 31 17:21:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28054; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 17:20:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 17:20:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: RE: OT Spam: My first video? Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:19:04 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c25134$08877700$6401a8c0@om> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <76D65010-BCEE-11D6-8D0D-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The link does not seem to be working here- Cliff www.om-studios.com -----Original Message----- From: Stuart Wyatt [mailto:stuart@solostring.com] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 7:32 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT Spam: My first video? Its in Windows Media format... and is the first movie of a performance that I have ever seen. Someone sent me the file this morning http://mapage.noos.fr/solostringvid/plage.asf (8MB) - from the last Friday at Paris Plage. I have OSX, and the file does not play well on my computer. Does anyone know of a way to convert this file to mpg or some friendlier format? -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 31 17:24:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28653; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 17:24:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 17:24:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000601c25135$7151d4a0$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CFF9@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: more about promo Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 17:29:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop017.verizon.net from [151.203.200.59] using ID at Sat, 31 Aug 2002 16:22:35 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <84OsIB.A.S8G.6OTc9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com writes... ...if you want to promote the looping machines thank the makers/designers explicitly on your recordings . . . or include a little testimonial about loopage or what have you. Very good point From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 31 17:29:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29350; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 17:28:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 17:28:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c25136$0282b700$0affff0a@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <001f01c250fa$c19049a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Subject: Re: loop what? Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 17:33:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop016.verizon.net from [151.203.200.59] using ID at Sat, 31 Aug 2002 16:26:39 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <0rzyv.A.1GH.uSTc9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think looping x seconds of audio on a piece of tape that is then linked into a circle that, erm... loops around the tape heads repeating it's sonic information probably came before an "insert" (as it is sometimes called) in audio chain was employed. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 31 17:44:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30648; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 17:44:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 17:44:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.79.97.43] From: "terry o'brien" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: reviews of CD Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:42:52 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2002 21:42:52.0608 (UTC) FILETIME=[5BDD5C00:01C25137] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Folks, Shameless-self-promo-spam time,.. so...FYI, here are two reviews of my CD, "The Spirit Molecule" . One from Jim Brenholts posted on the Hypnos Forum....followed by a nice plug from Paul of Ma Je Le (thanks again Paul!) http://www.hypnos.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000452.html The other from Capital Magazine. http://www.capitalmag.com/capitalmedia.cfm?category=10 Cheers, Terry www.anomalousdisturbances.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 31 18:48:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05282; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 18:47:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 18:47:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhREylwGmzD97ogd3ZsXxXo8qSjOCgIVAJK3a7QLM3N2e+1p3hMQxZDyc1mR From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 15:46:45 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland PK-5 as Echoplex Controller Message-ID: <27981-3D714755-1045@storefull-2354.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: 's message of Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:35:27 -0700 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was checking out the pk-5 a few months ago, they were going for about $300 to $500 on e'bay. Then there was none to be found. Now I've noticed that Roland has the pk-7. I wonder what the difference is except the price, they where going for about $1200. Can you program them to play chord swells while your hands are busy doing othe things? Curious. Bill/Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 31 19:28:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09204; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 19:27:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 19:27:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Sender: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Roland PK-5 as Echoplex Controller Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 16:25:25 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c25145$b5623260$c607f843@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <27981-3D714755-1045@storefull-2354.public.lawson.webtv.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_hRaRD.A.1MC.ECVc9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com < Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12384; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 20:03:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 20:03:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c2514a$9aac2d40$05ad5651@q6f4s6> From: "Martin Shakeshaft2" To: References: <76D65010-BCEE-11D6-8D0D-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Subject: Re: OT Spam: My first video? Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 01:00:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <9oMllC.A.IAD.dkVc9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There is a program for the PC that will convert formats called TMPGEnc Details can be found at http://www.vcdhelp.com/tmpgenc.htm The program is freeware The file downloads OK for me but I had to download the MPEG 4 codec, which whilst growing in popularity is not a common format as yet on the net. (If you have problems playing this with WM Player let it connect to the net to find the correct codec). On a Mac you may be able to convert the file using QuickTime 6 Pro. This is the brand new version of QuickTime that supports MPEG 4. I do not use Macs so I can not guarantee that this will work. It costs £25. Hope this helps Martin -- Martin Shakeshaft Video Productions ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 3:32 PM Subject: OT Spam: My first video? > Its in Windows Media format... and is the first movie of a performance > that I have ever seen. Someone sent me the file this morning > http://mapage.noos.fr/solostringvid/plage.asf (8MB) - from the last > Friday at Paris Plage. I have OSX, and the file does not play well on my > computer. Does anyone know of a way to convert this file to mpg or some > friendlier format? > > -- > Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project > http://www.solostring.com > stuart@solostring.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 31 21:54:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19563; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 21:48:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 21:48:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQBKazNBvDtoo4m2h8m2ufJS6Tg+wIUP0uPRRsQWt9ktV5bX0B9610HJSM= From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 18:47:25 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Roland PK-5 as Echoplex Controller Message-ID: <19736-3D7171AD-2472@storefull-2352.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: 's message of Sat, 31 Aug 2002 16:25:25 -0700 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <-nnke.A.KwE.7GXc9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where can you fnd the roland pk-5 or pk-7 for just under $400. Guitar center has them at list price $1200. Interested. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 31 21:54:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19849; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 21:49:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 21:49:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 08:43:52 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Delurking Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings all, I've been lurking for the past two weeks to catch the sense of LD these days. It has been sometime since I was a regular subscriber/contributor here. But I'm getting back to looping these days and added a Repeater to my two plexes a month ago. I picked it up on a whim when I saw the news on HArmony Central that they were going to stop making them. I figured that if I did not like it I could aways resell. Has always amazed how hot some units can become after they have stopped manufacture. Happy to see so many folk still here sharing their experience and insight with gear. More later, patrick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 31 22:14:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23056; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 22:13:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 22:13:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <82.204bdcba.2aa2d176@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 22:12:06 EDT Subject: Re: more about promo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <5oBPY.A.tlF.ZeXc9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > writes... >...if you want to promote the looping machines thank the makers/designers >explicitly on your recordings . . . or include a little testimonial about >loopage or what have you. yes; good point, taken in degrees. i've been doing something like that for quite a few years, myself..... fwiw. best, dt / spltrcl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 31 22:14:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22909; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 22:12:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 22:12:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c2515d$2255ec60$e4981cd5@hyeena> From: "Jukka Andersson" To: References: <76D65010-BCEE-11D6-8D0D-0003934B4712@solostring.com> <001e01c2514a$9aac2d40$05ad5651@q6f4s6> Subject: ot: MAC USERS Carbonlib UNCOMPRESSED needed! Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 05:13:16 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com does someone know a link for UNCOMPRESSED corbanlib 1.0.4 or newer. I have powerbook with too old version for nowadays compression utilities so I cannot get newer version. thanks, Jukka From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 31 22:36:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24594; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 22:35:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 22:35:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <16.24a04a7e.2aa2d6ca@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 22:34:50 EDT Subject: Re: reviews of CD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_16.24a04a7e.2aa2d6ca_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_16.24a04a7e.2aa2d6ca_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/31/02 5:43:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, anomalousdisturbances@hotmail.com writes: > "The Spirit Molecule" . > terry.....great reviews.....great cd!.....michael --part1_16.24a04a7e.2aa2d6ca_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/31/02 5:43:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, anomalousdisturbances@hotmail.com writes:


"The Spirit Molecule" .


terry.....great reviews.....great cd!.....michael --part1_16.24a04a7e.2aa2d6ca_boundary--